The fact that political candidates are closely coordinating with friendly Super PACs — making a mockery of a central tenet of the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision — is one of the biggest open secrets in Washington.
Super PACs are only allowed to accept unlimited contributions on the condition that the money is spent independently of specific campaigns. The Federal Election Commission hasn’t reacted for a variety of reasons, including a lack of hard evidence, vague rules, and a partisan divide among the commissioners so bitter they can’t even agree to investigate obvious crimes.
But newly disclosed hacked campaign documents published by WikiLeaks and a hacker who calls himself Guccifer 2.0 reveal in stark terms how Hillary Clinton’s staffers made Super PACs an integral part of her presidential campaign.
Consider:
The emails show consistent, repeated efforts by the Clinton campaign to collaborate with Super PACs on strategy, research, attacks on political adversaries and fundraising. The cache also reveal meetings between the campaign and Priorities USA Action, and that campaign officials have helped with the group’s fundraising.
The files were apparently hacked from a variety of Clinton staffers and have been posted online in recent weeks by Wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0. Obama administration intelligence officials have alleged, without providing evidence, that the email hacks were conducted on behalf of the Russian government in an attempt to disrupt the U.S. elections.
The Clinton campaign, Correct the Record, and Priorities USA did not respond to requests for comment.
Super PACs, known technically as “Independent Expenditure-Only Political Committees,” are a direct result of the Citizens United court decision. Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the decision, proclaimed that deregulating outside money would have no corrupting effect upon candidates because there would be strict firewalls between candidates and outside groups.
Correct the Record has long argued it could work directly with the Clinton campaign. When the group launched, it said it would only produce and distribute communications online, and that its work would therefore be exempt from FEC coordination rules.
The Super PAC was recently the subject of a complaint filed with the Federal Elections Commission by the Campaign Legal Center, which called on regulators to investigate whether Clinton’s campaign has illegally coordinated with the group.
The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan watchdog organization, has also alleged that officials working for Donald Trump have similarly blurred the line between the campaign and one of its largest Super PACs, Make America Number 1, by employing common vendors.
The Campaign Legal Center argued that Correct the Record has likely made “coordinated expenditures” that could be considered in-kind contributions to the Clinton campaign — such as its spending on “opposition research, message development, surrogate training, reporter pitches, media booking, video production, ‘rapid response’ press outreach, and other ‘earned media.’”
“These documents affirm what we’ve been saying all along about Correct the Record,” said Brendan Fischer, an associate counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. “They are basically operating as an arm of the Clinton campaign.”
While Correct the Record has argued it is exempt from FEC rules, Clinton herself has said she does not work with Priorities USA Action. That Super PAC has spent millions of dollars on independent expenditures, including six-figure media advertising buys, to boost Clinton’s candidacy. The group has raised over $133 million through individual donations as large as $6 million.
As other media outlets have reported, Marc Elias, the Clinton campaign attorney, provided a memo with guidance on how the campaign could solicit funds for Priorities USA Action. The memo notes that campaign staffers would have to use certain language when trying to raise money for the Super PAC:
Permissible: “Donor A works in financial services and has been a long-time contributor. I think she’d be willing to do six figures for Priorities.”
Not recommended: “I want you to call Donor A and ask for $250,000.”
In another email, campaign officials discussed ramping up their work with Priorities USA. Oren Shur, a campaign media advisor, organized the call “following several discussions we had with Marc,” a reference to Marc Elias, to discuss even more direct coordination with Priorities USA, noting that doing so would be “breaking new ground.” Officials floated pursuing coordinated “issue advocacy ads,” campaign ads that do not mention express advocacy for a candidate but are clearly political and partisan in nature.
Shur recommended a second course of action: using consultants shared with Emily’s List, a Democratic group, to shoot campaign video that would be posted online to “send public smoke signals in a more traditional way to the Priorities IE.” That way, the Priorities USA team would pick “up the signals,” and air independent expenditures that would “save the campaign anywhere from $2M-$4M.”
The subject of Super PAC interaction was of particular concern for Elias, who emailed and met with Podesta on several occasions to discuss pro-Clinton groups. In one email on March 5, 2015, shortly before the formal launch of the campaign, Elias contacted Podesta to ask if he was “good to meet with Priorities and CTR” at his law firm.
Two months later, Correct the Record formally separated from another Brock-led Super PAC, called American Bridge 21st Century, and announced it would be “allowed to coordinate with campaigns.”
Elias’s law firm, Perkins Coie LLP, has provided legal services to the Clinton campaign, Correct the Record and Priorities USA Action, making it a central node in the campaign infrastructure.
This story is a collaboration between The Intercept and MapLight, a nonpartisan research organization that tracks money’s influence on politics.
Top photo: A volunteer for Hillary Clinton makes phone calls from a campaign field office.
I will keep on saying it. I believe that a united front of people across the nation should be pushing a very, very large campaign of petition, asking for Kennedy, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts to step down. This Ruling alone, is enough justification for a very large, united demand.
I wonder, seriously, just what it does take for “This” Court to turn back and look at a “decision” and then overturn it. What on earth kind of data do they need to “see” that a ruling was extremely wrong? “This” Court is not supporting this nation’s constitution, in my view. I know it takes an extreme, but isn’t it abundantly clear that our political system has fallen into a deep mud pit, since this CitzUnited ruling, and can’t Roberts see it?
Here is the complaint that was filed:
http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/sites/default/files/APIC%20Right%20to%20Rise%20complaint%208_10_16.pdf
It is only about foreign donations. Still this could have some major implications if the FEC would move on it.
Maybe a bunch of citizens contacting them inquiring about this might make them move a bit faster, hint hint
http://www.fec.gov/pages/contact.shtml
Couple of questions for those of you that know our legal system a bit better
1. Can an ordinary US citizen file a complaint with the FEC?
2. If we can do this do one of you lawyerly types (Mona?) want to draft something similar to the above document, based on the emails?
One thing that stands out here is that TI attracts a very diverse and well versed readership. TI is the only new outlet where I read the comments. I have gotten more information from the comments then from the articles in many instances.
What this show is that TI has not only an intelligent, yours excluded, readership but also one that cares.
Maybe it is time we the readers do something a bit more than read and comment and vote. If we could get a complaint filed with the FEC to start. Then mass mail the doc to ALL the media outlets followed up by a bunch of emails. Post it to all our social media accounts. Make as much noise as a couple of dozen people on the internet can make, which is a ton. We just might be able to get some traction in the BIG media outlets.
Just some wishful thinking.
Reached out for an official statement from the FEC. Will publish when/if they respond.
Broken link
“In another email, campaign officials discussed ramping up their work with Priorities USA. Oren Shur, a campaign media advisor, organized the call “following several discussions we had with Marc,” ”
The link to this email is broken…
Didn’t you get the message? There’s nothing interesting in the WikiLeaks Podesta emails leaks. The Clinton campaign says so. So it must true that all this campaign-superPAC coordination is perfectly normal. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Perkins Couie is also house counsel for the DNC, and effectively every major Democratic political candidate in the entire country.
Seriously, did anyone really believe that once Citizens United was unleashed that both the Republican and Democratic Party behave themselves?
Go ahead and beat-up the Clinton campaign.
As the emails show, if one has the dough they can be the highest bidder and bribe any political for their vote. It’s all legal.
Everything is upside down this season, or we are just hearing about it.
I would imagine that we – the people – could make some recommendations for action, but I know the FEC is frozen and useless.
Even the right wing of the SC must know how badly messed up Citizen United is.
In other news, CCR won a great case last week: https://riseuptimes.org/2016/10/13/ccr-takes-turkmen-v-ashcroft-case-to-the-supreme-court/
Clinton and her nasty campaign on a broken American platter…what more could the FEC ask for? They need to be held accountable if they don’t act promptly and then or in addition, three green party members need to be added to the FEC.
The Red Dawn of Deference
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The boilerplate battle continues…
BREAKING:
Hippies and anti-government forces made dramatic gains against the government mandated boilerplate text as the word “hacked” became “apparently hacked” (at least in the first sentence) and “The Intelligence Community” became “Obama administration intelligence officials”, finally, but only slightly, acknowledging that the CIA and NSA have probably not overthrown the Obama administration in a coup.
Despite massive celebrations, including “pot” and “sex w/choking”, from anti-government factions, some observers call the gains only symbolic.
Political Observer and Asset Holder, Richard ‘It’s Doctor’ Longing said, “The gains are only symbolic.”
Longing continued, “The point is not the words, the point is the deference. This is ultimately a battle of trust. If I can make you say certain things, but you can’t make me say certain things, then I am perceived as more trustworthy and more credible. Not only through repetition of message, but through deference. You submit to me, but I do not submit to you. It’s called ‘Trumping’ which, I believe, comes from the word ‘trumpet’.”
Social Sociologist and avid exhibitionist Mel Rind concurs with that assessment, “I wanted black coffee. That means no sugar, no cream, no attitude. Now do it fucking right this time!”
Journalism Intern Bob Freeley strongly agrees, “I messed up the coffee pretty bad. Russia bad. He was right to be pissed off.”
Richard ‘It’s Doctor’ Longing interrupted, “For God’s sake, stand up for yourself! You are a human being and a person worthy of respect and dignity. You shouldn’t have to take that kind of abuse from anyone. Especially not from an intern.”
Government officials, who wish to remain anonymous because it asserts dominance, added, “A great way to assert dominance is to insist on anonymity. It’s not just about dominance over an individual, which is awesome, it’s about lowering expectations for evidence, and making myth more powerful than rationality. Democracy requires accountability. A nameless and faceless government is beyond evidence and beyond democracy. For example, who has more credibility, The Intelligence Community, or James Clapper and Micheal Morell? It’s like the difference between Christmas and Christmas with your family. The ideal and the reality. Never mention names, always preach the ideal.”
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Update: Unfortunately, I have been informed that for every twelve non-complimentary things I say about The Intercept, I have to write a pro Intercept paragraph. In order to fulfill this requirement of fairness and objectivity, I present to you the following boilerplate text:
“The Intercept–despite managing to say that “Russia hacked Hillary” even more times than a stutterer reading the Washington Post to an Amazon Echo–also publishes Glenn Greenwald. Often in English.”
You need to get back on your meds — pronto.
LNC used to post really insightful material. He’s been quite…odd lately.
Mona, you liked me much better when I used to defend the Intercept. No surprises.
Your best argument is a personal attack. No surprises.
I have been making the same arguments forever–and just like Democrats will one day love Glenn again, you will love me again when I defend Glenn again.
You can’t help yourself.
Loyalty is worthwhile only in opposition. All the rest is clipped wings and lullabies.
Er, LNC, I have been extremely vocal in my criticism of The Intercept at times, and also have vehemently and publicly disagreed with Glenn, including recently. (It would be fair to say he and the world know exactly what I think of Maz Hussain’s position on Syria, and the crap Maz has been writing both here and on Twitter vis-a-vis that issue.)
Oh, it’s true I am loyal to him in many ways, but it is the nature of our relationship — because of who we both are — that this loyalty cannot include refraining from sincerely held disagreement and criticism.
Nope. The problem here is your bizarre posting. It simply makes no sense.
Since October began, Lee Fang has written or co-written seven articles for the Intercept.
– In three of those articles the accusation is repeated that Russia is involved in hacking and disseminating this leaked information.
– In one of those articles the emails are called “hacked” with “attempting to undermine Hillary Clinton’s campaign for the presidency.”
In four of the seven articles he wrote, he directly repeat talking points about Russia or the leaks undermining democracy. In five of the seven articles he calls the emails hacked.
Is there any journalist with a ‘better’ percentage of repeating these accusations? Maybe Kurt Eichenwald. Maybe Joy-Ann Reid. But that’s an exclusive club.
You can defend this behavior if you want, but don’t pretend you are completely oblivious.
And seriously Mona, you are whip smart when you want to be, but a large percentage of your posts are like Glenn is living in an Albert Brooks film and his Mom defends him everyday in the comment section of his employer’s website. Very loudly and very voluminously. You mean well, but you effortlessly stumble from humiliating to emasculating, all the while thinking you are saving Glenn from the world. It’s like my worst nightmare.
LNC, it’s simply nuts to spew such busllhist about Lee Fang. Seriously, wutchewbensmokin? Among the gazillion pieces Fang has been party to that smack down Hillary with the emails is this one he co-wrote with Glenn.
And really, given that you clearly had:1. No idea of my strenuous disagreement with Glenn on multiple matters, including the Hussain behavior and pieces, and further given 2. your bizarre mischaracterizations of this site’s journalism, I frankly don’t give a shit how you characterize my commenting and your whole Albert Brooks shtick. Little you’ve been saying lately is either reasonable or sensible.
Ben Norton: Leaked email: Hillary Clinton told “radical environmentalists” to “get a life,” defended fracking and pipelines
Just for kicks, I did a search of the internet tubes to find any mention of her public appearances where she was assailed by the environmental crazies as she claims. Here is her quote:
Now these sort of attacks and disruptions may have happened, but given my search just using google, I could not find any press references to such to people screaming at her, etc. at multiple events no less.
Now there was a Green Peace activist that confronted her solely about campaign funding from fossil fuel industry and lobbyists, and it was Clinton who started yelling at the young women and pushing her (Hillary’s) finger in the activists face. But that confrontation did not in any way fit Hillary’s claims.
So unless I missed it, no such events and demands ever happened as Clinton claims. Looks like she created out a thin air fictitious events and demands, only to knock them down so she could look good to anti-environmentalist union members.
Yes, well, she’s been found to be lying quite a lot.
Erebus,
Are you against unions?
(You specified it.)
@altohone quotes a Hillary hack:
Which would explain why Bernie Sanders is the most-liked politician in the United States.
The answer:
Hillary may well only serve one term. Her oldest supporters will be dead in four years — that’s a huge chunk of her base. And, in turn, another 4-years worth of younger, leftist voters will join the millennials — Bernie’s base.
Other progressives need to tap into Bernie’s vocabulary and base and start building right now. I think that is happening, but it cannot happen soon enough.
Somebody like Tulsi Gabbard would do well as a candidate I think. She’s far left like Bernie is, appears to be quite honest and isn’t beholden to any of the current crop of politicians. Of course the DNC will hate that.
Bernie caved to Hillary. Coincidentally, he purchased a third home after endorsing her–a $600,000.00 vacation home on a lake in Vermont.
Why the hell didn’t he endorse Jill Stein instead of the Wall St. corporatist crook?
Oh please. Bernie’s home is quite modest and was largely paid for with Jane’s money. Bernie, like many, finds it intolerable that Donald Trump should be President, and so he’s endorsed her. Any number of people I respect have done the same thing.
This election is morally unclear. I decline to say there’s a right answer as to how to vote.
So a warmongering corrupt corporatist is the lesser of two evils for Sanders? Interesting Hobson’s Choice. She’s responsible for the deaths of thousands.
His principles are malleable. He caved.
“This election is morally unclear. I decline to say there’s a right answer as to how to vote.”
Whatever happened to the anti-establishment revolutionaries? I’m old enough to remember them–and with a frisson of sweet nostalgia. Have they all been assimilated?
“he purchased a third home after endorsing her–a $600,000.00 vacation home on a lake in Vermont.”
Do the right thing and share your secret evidence of the corruption on the part of Senator Sanders that is implied in your cowardly post.
Hmmm I wonder which “state party” did it ? Some people will stop at nothing to prevent their corruption, and crimes being exposed
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/10/as-wikileaks-access-to-internet-is-severed-new-clinton-email-bombshell-emerges/
Ecuador did it. No doubt the Obama Administration made some, shall we say, intimations of very unpleasant consequences if this was not done.
Not that it will do any good. Assange has in place something like a “dead man switch” that will ensure the leaks continue. They cannot be stopped.
Yes Ecuador did it but who asked them to? According to the BBC :
“Wikileaks accused US Secretary of State John Kerry of asking Ecuador to stop it publishing documents about Hillary Clinton.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37680411
The leaks will not stop, and I hope they intensify.
McClatchy:
Ecuador cut off Assange’s internet at U.S. request, WikiLeaks says
The future is coming whether the Clintons and their “democratic party” allies see it or not:
Oops part two:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/10/bernie-sanders-polling-favorability-trump-hillary-clinton/
In sum:
I will repeat it again–as a lifetime registered Democratic Party member, and up and down ticket Democratic Party voter, volunteer and small donor, my days of supporting the national Democratic Party are OVER!
I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. It has zero to do with being a misogynist or not caring about the poor or any other such nonsense. I would rather fight my enemy openly than be stabbed in the back repeatedly by my nominal “ally” going on decades.
I would have sold a kidney to help fund an Elizabeth Warren run (despite her flaws), and did help fund Bernie Sanders. But I will never help facilitate the return of the Clintons to the White House with either my rhetorical support, money or volunteer time. Was never in the cards. Ever.
Bernie took a dive for Hellary.
I don’t. I think he is doing what he thinks is pragmatic in the sense of “lesser evilism”. I don’t particularly agree with that strategy, and it is one of Bernie’s flaws, but I understand why he believes it is necessary to advance at least some of the political goals that are important to him.
As with any voter, I’m perfectly fine with Bernie casting his individual vote as he sees fit, and even advocating for Hillary Clinton on whatever political calculus he deems appropriate under the circumstances. And most of us supporters, even those who supported him with eyes wide open to his flaws and weaknesses, I think are for the most part fine with him, even if we disagree with his calculus in doing so.
Voting lesser of two evils = moral or ethical bankruptcy
…especially for Bernie, as his platform was antithetical to Hillary’s.
How does the Clinton campaign keep track of all the donor asses that need kissing or what levels of political, administrative, regulatory, or congressional favors each has earned? Like if I am a bankster and I want the DOJ or Treasury to look the other way at my actions, is there a price list with options somewhere?
not exactly…
Its a bid system. Crooked (aka corrupt aka criminal) Hellary’s autioneer was DWS until she was promoted. Free market thieves like wallstreet banksters implied that system to her during the bailout.
I expect these political monsters to soon do away with the jury system.
Spreadsheets and databases, sortable by the dollar amount of donations to the Clinton Foundation, Clinton affiliated SuperPACs and the Clinton Campaign directly.
My guess is most of us around here won’t be getting Christmas Cards of the Clintons from the White House for the next 4 to 8 years. Although I’m not at all convinced she’ll make it the full eight given her political liabilities and age.
An email from Neera Tanden to John Podesta, about Larry Lessig who wants to get money out of politics:
Wut!!! Neera sounds like that dread scourge I’ve heard about — but never seen — the foul-mouthed and mean “BernieBro.”
Reason #536 I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton.
Say what you want about Prof. Lessig, and there are positions of his to be critical of, but getting money out of politics isn’t one of them. In fact, it is the preeminent issue in American politics if there is going to be a reformation of our political system to make it more accessible, equitable and accountable to the wishes of the voting public rather than lobbyists and big business bag(wo)men (who should not be confused with the followers of the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh although I must concede he had good taste in cars if not followers who liked to poison folks who disagreed with the aims and methods of their little commune–sucker born every day I guess).
Based on Tanden’s conuct to date on twitter, she hasn’t learned her own lesson. She is still quite dumb, having little to no discipline on twitter.
That must have been one of the emails that Putin forged!
See KEVIN GOSZTOLA’s compilation of the campaign’s wildly inconsistent responses to the Podesta emails.
https://shadowproof.com/2016/10/20/clinton-campaign-makes-wildly-inconsistent-claims-emails-published-wikileaks/
Those dreadful Russians they hate and envy us for the freedoms we once had,
and they have committed such dreadful war crimes in Syria :
The US-directed assault on Mosul and imperialist hypocrisy wsws.org
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/17/pers-o17.html
Hellary and her warpigs had this scenario schemed out since Libya. Hellary Clinton helped to promote the exodus of people from western syria in order to annex it. That the millions of people went to europe is of no consequence to her because she despises people anyway and doesnt give a spit about europe – or the US for that matter. Hellary is as predictable as an insect.
Hillary Clinton’s staffers made Super PACs an integral part of her presidential campaign.
DWS: “well let’s face the facts. my fingerprints arent on this so i absolutely didnt do this and any supposition that i did is pure speculation.”
Hellary Clinton: “well i get a lot of support from a lot of people and everyone i know follows the letter of the law. And it a law was broken, dig and you will discover the Russians did it.”
F…B…I… “nothing to see here. move along now. and if you dont move along, you will be charged with interfering with a federal investigation and endangering national security which gets you life in prison.”
American politics – THE NEW FACE OF ORGANISED CRIME
am i repeating myself?
Speaking of Revise the Record — which the authors document works hand-in-glove with the hillary campaign — we have several of those hacks here. One “Jimmy” and the gal he claims is his wife, the lovely “Karen”.
The Hillary PAC is spending $6.3 million to pay people like Jimmy and Karen to spew crap in comments and social media. Those two employees have been assigned here.
Both show up at different times in every thread touching on Hillary Clinton. They recite from the same talking-point script all of these paid trolls use. Hopefully, come November 8 the checks will stop and then they and their drivel will disappear.
Gee, how do you know I work for Correct the Record, Mona.?I can tell you exactly, precisely how you, how you are so certain that I work for Correct the Record. Here it is… ready? It’s because I have a different opinion than the lemmings like yourself that frequent this site. How do I know this? Because I have nothing to do with the Clintons, nor would anyone who worked for them give a damn about the likes of you. You are so similar to Donald J. Trump and his lemmings, it’s astounding. As long as you say it’s true, why, it must be true. As long at the Intercept finds among the tens of thousands of pages of correspondence something that looks like collusion, why it must be true. But I do think Trump rallies would be much more fun for you rather than haunting this site. You can join in with all the other magnificent brains, instead of singing kumbaya, you can chant Jail Hillary. And that would finally get you out of the house and moving around. A little exercise would really be good for you. Don’t worry, there will be plenty of white people to make you feel at home.
You seem obsessively adoring of the Clintons – that’s why you seem suspicious, since they are revolting.
It’s not just the deranged level of adoration: it’s the scripted terms and talking points they all use, everywhere. “Jimmy” had to think about how it is that he and “Karen” sound like interchangeable accounts, given their uncannily common rhetoric, and he settled on…she’s my wife!
As they say: LOL!
Yup. I like the Clintons a whole lot. But don’t work for them. I don’t fall into your normal knee jerk category. Have given lots of money to Assange and now regret that deeply, think he’s a very sick person who should face rape charges in Sweden and then brought to the US and face charges here. Yes, I fell for the same line that most lemmings fall for that he had been set up the way Scott Ritter was set up. But now, seeing his seething hatred for Hillary and his day and night obsession to put Trump in, the most extraordinary threat to our planet of our life time, a kind of continuous Bay of Pigs, to put it mildly, nope, he’s definitely some sort of misogynist blinded by his hatred willing to make the world suffer on behalf of his personal vendetta. Have given lots to Democracy Now, too, would have given more if we had not wasted it on Wikileaks. I like Amy but I like Bill who called into her show in 2000 and argued with her about Iraq. Amy didn’t seem to get it, a sitting president calling WBAI, a lefty station, and arguing about policy for 20 minutes from the Oval Office. And quite frankly, he pretty much schooled her. He’s not a liar, he’s an amazing human being doing what he thought was right while retaining power. My guess what comes out of Hillary’s presidency if the left doesn’t pile onto the right in destroying her as this site attempts to do is a Middle East peace that will last. Podesta is a great person as are many who work with the Clintons.
Your gushing praise often borders on self-parody; it’s that over the top. In my opinion. Mona recognizes patterns of content in your posts that mark you as a paid operative, and this may well be true as she’s extremely attentive to detail, but perhaps you are simply trying to balance out criticism with a full-out denial of any imperfection at all. I’ve seen fans defend Beyoncé in this way, and my feeling is they can’t all be music industry employees – though some are, obviously – and the same determined manner of defense becomes a sort of ‘hive mind’ rather than a collection of original expressions of support.
That. Was. Fucking. Hilarious.
Especially the last third.
Sometimes your stuff is so over-the-top I wonder if we’ve all been snared by Poe’s Law.
This makes me suspect Podesta is working as a Hillary shill for extra cash.
You should be working for them. What are you waiting for? Don’t you know there is a critically important election taking place and they need every possible volunteer to put them over the top?
While people like you are sitting comfortably at home, typing their inane ramblings on the internet, other people are actually working to support the Clintons. I can understand the lemmings on this site. Many of them have critical thinking skills and despise people like the Clintons. But you have no such excuse, and should sign up to work for the Clintons without further delay. You may be hesitating because you’re afraid they’ll assign you to posting lame talking points on some obscure internet site. This fear is groundless. I’m sure they will recognize your undoubtedly superior rhetorical talents, and find an appropriate position for you, perhaps even as Press Secretary in the next Clinton administration.
Sign up now and help make the Clintons great again.
“and then brought to the US and face charges here.”
How ’bout you go fuck yourself on that one. He owes your shitty fascist country nothing, you fucking arsehole. He’s just showing the rest of the world what a corrupt warmongering bunch of pricks you are. Indoctrinated fools.
Then why are people like you working so hard to convince “the likes of people like us” to vote for the candidate you appear to support?
I mean if you think you can guilt, shame or insult us into changing our minds and voting for your preferred candidate I think you are going to be sadly disappointed.
Then again if you just want to vent or demonstrate your political impotence in that respect, continue on. But do us all a favor and make your little rants more clever and/or at very least more interesting in some way. As they stand now they are grammatically weak, not clever or funny, and wholly unoriginal. All in all a very poor recipe for persuading anyone, but particularly the folks that follow The Intercept’s journalists regularly.
If you want to bash us “lemmings” and get a response other than a big fat “yaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnn”, my advice would be try going to community college and getting some remedial courses in English Composition.
I don’t care about the likes of you, your mind is clamped shut as tight as a bear trap. Nothing going in and the same crap coming out. You and Mr. Trump are certainly very similar: narcissism sees itself everywhere and makes the same point over and over. But that’s okay. Still there are lots of people who read this rubbish that need to see an occasional opinion countering it. For example, for a site that’s spent so many thousands of lines talking about getting money out of politics, it’s important for people to know that this site is funded by a single billionaire. Indeed.
Trust me the feeling is mutual. As for the rest of your word salad, yaaaaaawwwwwwwwn. I will stick with the 7 years of higher education I possess and my open mindedness and ability to think critically about most topics, to your pathological inanity and superficial stupidity any day of the week.
And out of curiosity are you under some misimpression that most of The Intercept’s readership are not aware of where the seed money for First Look Media came from? Or that it is a non-profit? Or that there is zero evidence Mr. Omidyar has ever interfered with the editorial decisions or topics The Intercept’s journalists chose to write about?
More importantly, the following doesn’t really follow now does it? At least not in the absence of proof Omidyar is influencing the The Intercept’s writers to take a particular position, or to refrain from reporting on Omidyar’s direct political donations to any particular party or candidate.
And what’s really stupid coming from a perceived Hillary Partisan like you, is the innuendo that somehow Pierre Omidyar is using this publication against Hillary Clinton for his own personal reasons, when he’s actually openly funding anti-Trump organizations and Democratic Party ones generally.
https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/04/15/19564/pierre-omidyar-gives-100000-new-anti-trump-super-pac
But I wouldn’t expect any better from either a paid shill or a moron who thinks it’s clever to refer to The Intercept’s readership as lemmings given most of us, probably on average have significantly more education and accomplishments than someone who is arguably one of the least articulate and/or least persuasive commenters we’ve encountered around here in years. And that’s saying something because this place attracts a particularly virulent level of stupidity from its regular trolls.
jim-ee jim-ee jim-ee….
There you go again.
You wanted to be a serious writer but you either flunked or washed out. You needed a job so being the hack you are you got pick up by the Democratic Wallstreet Organ Iced Cream-in-all Enterprise. Now you lay in wait. When the protesters appear you pop and fire away at people. After Hellary has you “let go” you will be broke and looking for a job and Hellary, if prezzie, will betray you.
Why not instead capitalise on your current situation and strike gold? Spill some beans about what’s really going on behind the scenes in the clinton criminal campaign camp? Use an alias. Get some viral. Make some real money instead of letting Hellary rob you and everyone else and hand your productivity to warpigs outside of America.
You are American, arent you?
Hi Mona
Here’s part of a comment from a guy who goes by the name of Balthasar at ChrisWeigant.com
“That’s why we need pragmatists like Obama and Clinton in the White House. Someone has to see the world as it is, and react accordingly. Often, the tasks are repugnant: accept a bill drafted by the other party to achieve a bigger goal later, commit murder on behalf of national interests, or rescue Wall Street from its own corrupt stupidity. We don’t need someone who doesn’t understand the reasoning, much less the rationale, behind these tough decisions.”
He is a Hillary supporter, and sees this as a selling point.
I thought you might appreciate it.
The website is a bit of an echo chamber, so the Hillary supporters occasionally wander off message into truth… as they see that is.
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OT (well, not really): Jill Stein tears it up on Fox News
Immortal Technique on the Green Party
Wow, Immortal Technique is still around. Damn, I hadn’t heard his name since like 2005
Yes, he’s become quite the social activist. I’m pleasantly surprised you know who he is at all.
Not sure why you’re surprised since you don’t know me at all. I was quite attuned to the underground hiphop scene during my college days and he was a decent listen.
You seem the very antithesis of cool, from your posts. Glad your earlier days included good music.
I believe the antithesis of cool is “uncool.” Being cool kind of lost its glamor after high school.
I mean ‘antithesis of cool’ in the sense that you consistently give the impression that you’re a realpolitik conformist and an establishmentarian, the polar opposite of a social activist. Why, sometimes you can even come across as a little patronizing!
Well played. That should leave a little bit of a mark.
Trying to put people into such broadly labeled boxes is an exercise in futility. Do you really think you know enough about the people commenting here to draw such conclusions?
And even if you arrogantly believe those conclusions – that one is a “realpolitik, conformist, establishmentarian” – what would that accomplish? What benefit is derived by labeling people as such?
WTF?
Do I need to clarify something?
I got you pegged, man. Don’t be a sore loser.
Yep, you got me.
Perhaps the next step considering your unique skillset is as a behavioral analyst. Wait, maybe even an FBI profiler!
Big things coming Maisie, big things!!
Even as recently as 2014, Hillary Clinton used to sound a lot like Trump on immigration
Wikileaks: Clinton Surrogates Wanted to Fool “Bitching” Bernie Voters into Supporting Hillary
The Democratic Party=INGSOC, while Correct The Record=The Ministry of Truth.
John Pilger: Why Hillary Clinton Is More Dangerous Than Donald Trump
Wall Street Journal: The Press Buries Hillary Clinton’s Sins
A common Democratic-Party-supporter response to the observation that Clinton is getting many of the worst dregs of the Republicans endorsing her is that Trump is such a tool that even the GOP can’t stand him, but this is just bullshit since it is self-evident these same regressive bastards would never support Sanders if he had been the Dem nominee. Clinton makes neocons happy; it’s that simple.
In point of fact Glenn Greenwald has indicated that neoconservative support for Hillary Clinton began a long time before Trump’s emergence. Here’s further evidence of that:
BREAKING: WIKILEAKS Emails Show CEO Of “Conservative” NEWSMAX Working With Hillary’s Campaign Chairman
Excellent article. The funny thing is that liberals rant about Citizens United as some pure evil force (imposed on them by Republicans) that, when removed, will magically take money out of politics. Yet ironically, it is the the neoliberal Hillary Clinton who benefits the most from this ruling. Her use of PACS dwarfs Trump’s.
If Citizens United was struck down today, very little would change. These huge PACS could still funnel money to Hillary, they would only be stopped from direct advertising. Money would still saturate politics. As we know, Obama took over 100 million bundled by Wall St. years before the Citizens United ruling.
Of course coordinating with a PAC like Hillary has done is illegal. If this leak had been about Trump, the media would be 24/7 demanding an investigation and his indictment.
Of course Americans will not even know that Hillary broke this last vestige of campaign finance law. It will not be reported. Apparently even the post Citizens United laws were too restrictive and progressive for her.
Podesta emails show Hillary Clinton kept 55K emails from Congress. How much more evidence does the government need to press charges?
CNN falsely states that it unlawful for the public–but not for CNN–to search WikiLeaks
CNN is a zionista backed organisation ($38billion) which makes every attempt to impose the will of zionistas (a virsu) upon Americans.
They will lose.
Thanks for yet another great piece, Mr. Fang! Outstanding!
Anyone who isn’t completely morally or intellectually deficient should know by this time that the two boobs (and neocons Kaine and Pense) running for the presidency should both be doing serious jail time.
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/10/why-this-election-is-all-about-wall-street/
And most pseudo-reporters at the local stations and the so-called major networks should be without a job!
There’s not actually anything wrong here. Sure, the PACs are not supposed to back specific candidates. But there is nothing prohibiting Hillary Clinton and her crew from trying to publicize the flaws in their opponents in any medium. They can call up New York Times, they can call up Rolling Stone, they can email a thousand campus Democrat groups, and yes, they can call up a PAC and say “did you hear XXXX about this guy? You guys ought to do something about that.” No violation of rules there. Also there is no violation in rules in simply saying that someone might be a good prospect to donate.
The reality is, campaign finance reform has been a joke since the 70s, still is, always will be. They make some rules that you can’t do this but you can do that and the two things so ruled about are exactly the same thing. I don’t doubt for a moment that Trump is getting away with plenty also – it’s just, he wasn’t hacked by a state actor.
So no, I’m not convinced by this. There is stuff like Charity Navigator that stinks to high heaven if what I’ve heard is true, but this isn’t wrong.
Your tinfoil hat must be on a bit too tight today. Your conspiracy theories are weak (“hacked by a state actor”) and your lack of logic is strong. I know they say that even people suffering paranoia have real enemies, but your CT ranting is way over the top.
The black, poor and women think all these communications and arrangements are to help them, NO, to steal from them like the Wolf!
You think all this injustice and crime is going to yiel any good governance and worthy SCourt Justices?
Pssshhhhahhhhh!!!
the lefty dems – or now rightie dems – do not see that Hellary’s unbridled support for an apartheid state makes her on of the most racist persons on the planet. They just cant see that. Amazing.
The daily, routine nature of the corruption typified by the Clinton emails which is undoubtedly more widespread through the dominate Neoliberal power structure, along with the Trump trope of election rigging work is sinister harmony to discredit and undermine the “election” and “democratic” processes of US civil society. Together they symbiotically further the Neoliberal corporate goal of a civil society so dysfunctional it is impotent as a counter to or threat to Neoliberal Imperial power as expressed through corporate law and domination.
The US with its militarized police and unaccountable military and financial imperial power is already a fanciest state.
Why would anyone think that hysterically screaming THE TRUTH from within such a power structure could possibly be effective?
It’s funnier than hell and all the Republican’s that believed it showed how stupid you really are !
Bahahahahaha ! Idiots !!
Killery is media super Teflon and the Trumpster is fly paper. Has everyone forgotten slick willie, the US military, the catholic church, the coaches etc., etc. Wow; I just heard Barry OBomber get free media to tell us US elections are incorruptible because they are too decentralized. Haaaaa; they are by far the most corrupt of the developed world; the corporate duopoly never loses. Too bad trump is such a scum bag making it easy for the all mind controlling msm to take down; of course, they made him so they can break him. If you liked the last 16 years, you’re gonna love the next 4; Oh there will likely be more free trading your job away and of course more wars but hey; that’s about all the US is good for; that and propaganda.
Hack reporting by complete hack journalists to feed the faux-left lemmings. Is anyone so stupid as to think the Russians whose only purpose is to destroy US democracy by putting Agent Orange in power would not stoop to the level of altering emails they’ve stolen so that billionaire funded faux lefty elites and Republican racists would post them and try to take Hillary down? Sean Hannity, Lee Fang, Alex Jones, Andrew Perez, Fox News, the Intercept… perfect together!
If the emails were false, we would have a government showing us copies of the real emails to disqualify the accusation. What would they have to loose since it is there for the WORLD to see, instead we are getting nothing more than accusing Russia for the hack. Those emails are obviously true word for word. No one denies that with proof.
Thanks for a sane reply to a sheepleton’s comment.
I can’t keep the excuses straight any more:
* the evidence is faked
* even if it’s real it doesn’t matter
* but Trump!
* Russians!!
Looks like you are reverting back to your “BernieBro” alias…..I understand it may be very confusing at times to keep your identities in order. Take a deep breath and reset Jimmy.
Why would the russians want to “destroy democracy” when the two major parties already do such a good job without outside help?
And given the most valid reason for Russian influence would be to ensure that a candidate that does not wish to go to war with them would gain power, how exactly would this be any different than the horrific leaders the US has propped up or ushered into power?
Extraordinarily well articulated, Eman!
“the Russians whose only purpose is to destroy US democracy by putting Agent Orange in power ”
Funny.
Yes, Jimmy. We all know that these damn Russians are trying to take away ‘your precious American way of life.’ They’ve got army basis all around your country. In Canada and Mexico and all around your coast. Their known for invading other sovereign countries on a constant basis. Using covert operations to overthrow countries that nationalise their resources. Yes, those damn Russians. And just to put the cherry on the cake they’ve chosen Humpty fucking Trumpty to be your next leader. Jesus. The evil evil bastards. How low can one go. My thoughts are with you, you poor poor people of the once ‘so free’ Amerika.
Great comments except you left out one little tidbit so I will humbly insert it:
“Yes, Jimmy, there IS a Santa Claus!”
As another commenter pointed out, the authors of the emails need only release their copy if they want to prove emails have been altered. So far, not a single person has done so, which leads to the conclusion that none of the emails were altered.
And as for your silly claim that Russians only purpose is destroying US democracy, if Hillary Clinton is the best that democracy can offer, it would be no great loss if it were destroyed and replaced by something better.
Hate to break it you but, Hillary personally confirmed they are the real thing in the last debate when she acknowledged that the leaked bankster speech transcripts were authentic.
Reason #534 I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton.
Reason #535 I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton:
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/clinton-potemkin-process/
Three (at least) independent, highly reputable cyber security firms have attributed the hacks to Russia. It’s not just the us government (who would have access to the most evidence) saying russian hackers did this. These russian hackers have been tracked for YEARS, they didn’t just appear out of no where.
https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/
https://www.threatconnect.com/blog/guccifer-2-all-roads-lead-russia/
https://www.secureworks.com/research/threat-group-4127-targets-hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign
But are the emails that show PAC and Hillary campaign law-breaking authentic or not? Shouldn’t that be the main question?
It could be the main question, but there are still a lot of conspiracy weirdos out there that claim it is not russia (see the people replying to me here for instance). The author of this article himself fails to acknowledge the reports from several highly reputable private security firms. If he had reported accurately on the attribution I would not have bothered to comment.
“highly reputable private security firms” MY ASS, to be blunt. One such firm is Mandiant and I’m quite familiar – from the inside – of how they’ll claim there is (or isn’t) evidence for whatever it is that their clients pay them good money to say there is (or isn’t) evidence of.
They’re as trustworthy as campaign spokespeople.
As Virginia Ham points out above, the issue ought to be the content of the material and not where it came from. Also, even if the hackers are Russian, it does not mean that the Russian government is behind them. Suppose, for instance that the hackers had been in the US. Would that mean the US government is behind it? Argue that and you would be laughed at, and rightly so.
That the democrats focus on the ostensible Russian sources and engage in all manner of conspiracy theories that it is Putin himself who is behind them demonstrates that they are no better than the Trump supporters. In fact, Trump’s allegations of a rigged election has many elements of truth to it: The shameful behavior of the DNC in its thwarting of Bernie Sanders; the rigging of the democrat convention through the massive use of super delegates loyal only to the party elites, the exclusion of the two third party candidates not only from the stage shows called debates but from media coverage in general, and the focus of most of the MSM on the candidate of the elites, Hillary Clinton. Trump is crazy, to be sure, but Clinton is crazy in a much more dangerous sense.
This line is getting so tired.
Here’s a better line: Trump is crazy, to be sure, but Clinton is insane and will cause the destruction of the United States.
Yours is actually even worse.
CIA in Russia? Perhaps they’re getting Hillary back for her private email server.
When the world is at a point where Hillary (and Bill) Clinton is about to be voted president of the US, the most important warmonger in the world, it should not matter where the emails come from BUT WHAT THEY CONTAIN.
That the US citizens are happy to stay blind to the lies and the corruption, shows me that the US has become worse that many countries it attacked in the past for being corrupt.
erm..Crowdstrike is a contractor to the Clinton campaign and Threatconnect is affialted with the former.
https://www.threatconnect.com/press-releases/threatconnect-inc-and-crowdstrike-partner-to-strengthen-threat-intelligence-data-availability-and-delivery/
Secureworks was acquired by Dell five years ago. Dell, as we know, is an NSA contractor. Anyway, what were you saying about “highly reputable cyber firms”?
lmao! where do you get that crap?
You have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that Russia did anything of the sort. Better yet, THE NSA DID IT! The nsa hacks everyone, spies on everyone, reads everyone’s email. And you think the Russians did it?
Go see a proctologist. You wont have to tell him anything for him to know your condition. Only question is, Is your head so big that it is stuck up there and cannot be pulled out?</b?
What a bunch of scumbags. I used to read the blog “Crooks & Liars” but last fall they switched from being a progressive/liberal blog to being a Hillary Clinton propaganda blog. Everything was pro-Hillary and anti-Bernie, comments pointing that out were deleted, and the editors and writers denied what was happening. Regular commenters complained about it constantly and eventually the editor left…and was immediately employed by Correct The Record. And things didn’t get any better with her gone so I gave up on that place early in the year.
Commenting on a Guardian article about Hillary is pretty much the same. I don’t even bother anymore. They call you a Trump conspiracy nut and a Putin bot. In that sense the DNC played that game perfectly. Blame the leaks on Putin and run with it. Just run with it. And then you have Trump. Jesus. One really can’t ask for a better opponent than Trump. One that fucking gets his main ‘info’ from Alex Jones.
Forces arrayed to deliver HRC presidency remind me of “Rosemary’s Baby”-as-political-commentary.
Many so called liberal websites have become Third Way havens. After being on the internet for twenty years and never banned, now I have been banned from many of these sites for posting the Clintons’ own words and policies.
Hacks: “Hillary is a typical crooked US politician.”
Typical Crooked Politician Obama: “Ignore Hillary. Putin! Putin! Putin!”
Even if these hacks were perpetrated by the Russians (of which no evidence has been presented, of course), it doesn’t make them any less significant. No one seems to be denying that they’re real…
Mrs. Clinton, in the last ‘debate’ and elsewhere, has said ‘we don’t even know if this information is accurate’. *this was repeated, verbatim, by VP Kaine on the Sun. morning ‘news’ shows
… if that helps avelna :)
A non-denial denial?
A double-negative plausible deniability?
*sigh … i give up.
Clinton and Kaine aren’t challenging the authenticity of the emails, they’re changing the subject.
All references to fabrications are general. The Clinton campaign and SuperPACs have raised more than a billion dollars and have research staff out the wazoo. If there were a single fabricated document in that dump, we would all know.
Here’s a challenge: identify a single fabricated document in the Wikileaks release. A document. An. One.
Here’s how these stories go:
Q: here’s an email. Is it authentic?
Dem A: there may be fabrications in the wikileaks dump. Aaand, the Rooskies are coming!!!!! Runferyerlives!!!!!!!
btw, I’m voting for Clinton bc I don’t think Stein can win and her SCOTUS Appointments will be better than Trump. But their behavior, especially the Russia-baiting, is nauseating.
” ‘we don’t even know if this information is accurate’.”
And we are not even going to look, so there …
Brazile: “I won’t open them, they could contain malware”
Look at the Goldman Sachs transcripts. They’re all by certified court reporters – three different reporters employed by
ELLEN GRAUER COURT REPORTING CO. LLCC
126 East 56th Street, Fifth Floor
New York, New York 10022
212-750-6434
If Podesta or any of the other 7 listed recipients of the email claimed they were forgeries, they’d face having the other 7, as well as the certified court reporter and sender called as witnesses against them – along with subpoenas filed with the court reporting company and google and AOL – in a court case they’d lose. It would be political suicide. The emails are genuine.
The Federal Election Commission is simply dysfunctional and unwilling to confront alleged coordination. Many may hate Citizens United, but until overturned, the rule of law should be enforced.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Intercept for your commitment to truth & for maintaining your journalistic integrity in a shameful year for media in general!
So without sounding like a Clinton hater, I have to ask what happens now that this information is out there now? Is this illegal or is it going to be like the DNC rules violations where it was proven that the DNC was actively colluding with Clinton campaign against Bernie but nothing whatsoever is done (aside from he class action lawsuit filed by Berners)? In other words, what are the ramifications of this illegal behavior supposed to be?
The “ramifications” will be that they will strenuously continue to find out:
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR SECRET!
WHO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW?
The establishment media will not report on it, or if they do–only minimally. If you don’t believe me–keep an eye on WaPo and the NYT. The establishment media are in the tank for Hillary. That couldn’t be more obvious.
It’s frightening to know that we no longer have a watchdog press.
“So without sounding like a Clinton hater, ”
You’ll get there.
Well sooprise sooprise sooprise. not. What would be a surprise is to see them prosecuted and jailed. Unfortunately..the FBI/DOJ is just as corrupt. ..just like the entire federal government.
Notwithstanding USG corruption, corruption in Afghanistan sucks the American taxpayer dry….
http://wemeantwell.com/blog/
I don’t know at what point the Dumbest Country on the Planet taxpayers are going to revolt, but I know this. Until they stop bending over for their daily 16th Amendment buttfuck, they deserve it. Just for being the Big Bang of Stupidity.
Sadly, like all too many other scandals, this won’t get investigated because Republicans do the same thing. Shame.
Rigged System of Governance?
Rigged Election?
What color will be chosen for the revolution?
When NATO will come and bomb the place?
Corrupt System of Governance?
Rigged Election?
What color should be chosen for the revolution?
When NATO will come and bomb the place?
There are so many Clinton scandals it is easy to forget some. This one I had completely forgotten about. But it leads to the corruption of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, NTSB the New York Times etc.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?414407-1/jack-cashill-discusses-twa-800
The criers are all up in arms about the charge of a rigged system.
They say the charge undermines the system.
I can only say that I hope it does.
Our system is rigged, Tammany Hall is alive and thriving.
“Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the decision, proclaimed that deregulating outside money would have no corrupting effect upon candidates because there would be strict firewalls between candidates and outside groups.”
Yes, in ‘La la land’ there is no such thing as corruption. None whatsoever.
Kennedy held “there would be strict firewalls between candidates and outside groups”
Magical thinking.
That didn’t finish well for him, did it?
Given the relatively high likelihood of Clinton being elected relative to Trump, everyone should be collecting every bit of information (such as this) that can be used in various legal and political challenges that will prevent her from carrying out her agenda of increased global warfare, via NATO expansion, regime change and dictatorship support across the Middle East, Africa, and Central Asia, and belligerent confrontations with Russia and China in eastern Europe and the western Pacific.
I really don’t see her having any domestic policy program other than to do whatever her top Wall Street donors want her to do; her energy policy will likely be increased fracking and offshore oil drilling and pipeline construction; her education policy will be some cosmetic program that does nothing to relieve student loan debt or cut college costs for students; her police/prison/mass surveillance policy will be a continuation of the status quo (including a refusal to prosecute Wall Street criminals); her health care policy will be written by pharmaceutical and health insurance corporations, and on immigration, a continuation of Obama’s record-breaking deportation programs. Given her emphasis on increases in military-industrial spending, domestic infrastructure will continue to fall apart over most of the country – and yes, a reverse course on TPP is inevitable.
Hence, keeping a record of every criminal and corrupt action she’s taken via her campaign financing activities and her private foundation activities will be critical to undermining her agenda and delegitimizing her presidency from day one in office. Hillary Clinton and her clan of neocon/neolib advisers have nothing positive to offer and represent a serious threat to progress on issues from human rights to climate change to global peace and stability.
great comment!
Some call it karma, i call it collective memory.
This ‘everyone’ you mention have no power now and after the Red Queen is installed they will have enough trouble keeping up with the new reality she creates and they will also have no power to affect that agenda.
Bluster and demands for justice on the internet will continue but this is just noise to those in power, easily ignored or delegated to the waiting herd of quislings to explain to the rubes that haven’t noticed that the winners make the rules.
Prognosticators;Is this wishful thinking,or just faith in serial liars and their polls?
Saying it enough and it will happen?
3 weeks to go,and we’ll see.
If Trump triumphs over the ziomonsters it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread,but if the HB wins.it will be the same ugly evil squirrel cage of idiocy.
Its up to you Americans.
The signs say it all.
All of the arrows say
Go farther to the rights to be with Hillary and Kaine.
Trump’s and Pense’s name should be on the signs too.
If Clinton wins it will also be because of Trump’s helping
to exemplify where they all will take the suckers.