Top Democrats have repeatedly waved off substantial questions arising from their hacked emails by falsely implying that some of them are forgeries created by Russian hackers.
The problem with that is that no one has found a single case of anything forged among the information released from hacks of either Clinton campaign or Democratic Party officials.
The strategy dates all the way back to a conference call with Democratic lawmakers in August. Politico reported that a number of Democratic strategists suggested that Russian hackers — who have been blamed by U.S. intelligence agencies for supplying the emails to Wikileaks and other web sites — could sprinkle false data among the real information.
Since then, despite the complete lack of evidence to support such a claim, it’s become a common dodge among leading Democrats and the Clinton campaign when asked questions about the substance of the emails.
Clinton strategist Joel Benenson, asked about an email in which Clinton campaign staffers decide to accept foreign lobbyist money, used that line on MSNBC on Sunday.
“These emails, we have no idea whether they’re authentic or not,” he said. “Or whether they’ve been tampered with. I know I’ve seen things that aren’t authentic, that we know aren’t authentic, and it’s not surprising.”
Clinton’s running mate, Virginia Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine, also suggested that the emails may have been doctored during an appearance on Meet the Press on Sunday.
“The one [email] that has referred to me was flat-out completely incorrect,” he said. “So I don’t know whether it was doctored or whether the person sending it didn’t know what they were talking about. Clearly, I think there’s a capacity for much of the information in them to be wrong.”
Kaine appeared to be referring to a July 2015 email to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta from political consultant Erick Mullen. In the email, Mullen claimed a man named Bob Glennon has informed two Democratic senators that Clinton “has personally told Tim Kaine he’s the veep.”
Clinton may or may not have selected Kaine as her running mate a year before announcing it publicly. However, that doesn’t mean the email is a forgery. It was simply Mullen’s view of things. Podesta’s response to the email is itself jovial: “And here I thought it was going to be me.” No one has alleged the email as it was published on Wikileaks is a forgery.
The Intercept contacted Benenson to point to any emails he believes are inauthentic. He did not respond.
Jennifer Granholm, a senior adviser to the pro-Clinton Super PAC Correct the Record, was asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper whether the Clinton campaign should be responding to revelations revealed by Wikileaks.
“There are reports that these have been doctored,” she told Tapper on October 19. “And Newsweek had found that, in fact, that was happening.”
Granholm was referring, inaccurately, to a blog post by Kurt Eichenwald where the Newsweek writer pointed out that the English-language, Russian-owned news website Sputnik had misreported the contents of one of the emails. But there was no evidence that the email itself as it existed on the Wikileaks website was false or doctored. Eichenwald himself added to the misunderstanding by posting a series of tweets imputing that the email had been forged — by Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
In an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on October 18, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, was asked if the Russian government would impact the election by hacking voting systems.
“What worries me the most … is between now and the election the Russians dump information that is fabricated,” Schiff warned. “To get a last minute dump of emails that contain fabricated emails that are widely reported in the press, and there isn’t enough time to fact check and demonstrate the forgery, that is what really concerns me.”
CNN host Wolf Blitzer pushed back, “But have you confirmed that any of these emails released over the past two weeks, if you will, by Wikileaks are fabricated or doctored?”
“You know I’m not in a position to be able to do that,” Schiff demurred.
The Democrats’ muddy-the-waters strategy has had some success. For example, the popular fact-checking website Politifact wrote an article on Sunday titled: “Are the Clinton WikiLeaks emails doctored, or are they authentic?”
The article cited numerous claims by Democrats that they cannot verify the authenticity of the emails and a number of experts who claimed that it is in fact possible that false information is in the emails. But the writer also noted that the Clinton campaign has not offered any evidence that any of the emails have been doctored.
Ordinarily, if there is no supporting evidence for a claim, PolitiFact has no problem declaring it false. But in this case PolitiFact reached no conclusion — and actually went so far as to raise the possibility that the Clinton campaign does have proof that the emails have been doctored, but isn’t sharing it for political reasons.
(Ironically, the website has no problem citing the emails to fact-check other statements).
The strategy has not been entirely effective. There has still been discussion about the contents of Clinton’s private speeches to megabanks like Goldman Sachs, her campaign team’s coordination with Super PACs, and the candidate’s affinity for Wal-Mart, among other topics.
The Washington Post published a lengthy article on Tuesday delving into the internal squabbling among Clinton aides and allies over the candidates use of a private email server. And the Wikileaks disclosure of a 13-page memo by former Bill Clinton aide Doug Band formed the basis of a Post article Thursday that showed how Band co-mingled the clients of his for-profit consulting firm Teneo with the former president’s speaking clients and financial backers of the Clinton Foundation.
Top photo: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange prepares to speak from the balcony of the Ecuadorian embassy in London, on Feb. 5, 2016.
The emails saga facing Clinton was not only the fact that she used a private server in her basement, it is the content of the emails that mattered. Not the ones she deliberately gave back for the investigation but the ones she hid, destroyed and Bleachbit. Thanks to Julian Assange thousands were recovered. As for the Podesta emails and the DNC leaks, it was and is necessary for the world to see. I seriously doubt they were provided by Russia, it would make a lot more sense that they were leaked by the US government offices, by those who cannot stand to see their country controlled by such corruption.
The investigations are not over and it is my hope that that doings of the Clinton Foundation are dissected like a dead frog.
//wikileaks.org/Assange-Statement-on-the-US-Election.html
To do so would shift the light away from their Russophobic propaganda and onto their own wrong doings.
CNN severs ties with Donna Brazile
Remember folks, the DNC was strictly neutral during the primaries. Fucking assholes, we are going to use all this to drive a stake through the neoliberal heart.
Not more than eight years. Enough of the HRC base will be in the ground by then; that coupled with all this WL proof of assholishness, we can do it. Their denials of assholery will be worthless, in light of what is now proven.
If these were forged, it would have involved one of the most massive intel operations ever. Getting actual email addresses. Writing all mail in English. Making sure it’s grammatically correct and sounds natural. Try reading some site review that was obviously faked.
The real problem would have been forging all the headers accurately and believably — effectively impossible at this scale or anywhere close to it.
For instance:
The Graun: Forget the FBI cache; the Podesta emails show how America is run
Four-eight years. These emails have work to do well beyond this election. They will help destroy the Democratic Party as it is currently constituted. Between the die-off of the neoliberal/Clinton base, and the new social democrats coming into the electorate, these emails spell doom for the neolibs, and herald soon victory for what Bernie coalesced during the primaries.
Thank you Wilikeaks and whoever leaked these to them.
It is with great satisfaction that I read the words of someone else who truly appreciates the awesome treasures to be found within these leaks. I myself, upon finding each of the precious little nuggets, dutifully print them out, encrypt them, and store them on safely-secured thumb-drives, always worried that certain others will yet find a way (perhaps upon taking office) to deprive the common man or woman of our currently easy access to them.
In news that will surprise no one, Wikileaks has released another email showing that last March Donna Brazile leaked a second debate question to Queen Hillary. Folks, y’all did hear that the DNC was scrupulously fair and impartial as between Hillary and Bernie, right? I mean, they said so, so it must be true!
Well, HuffPo was reporting CNN had fired Brazile after this announcement, but the link to the story gives a 404 error.
Not that it matters. Any more than Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s skullduggery and cosmetic demotion from DNC chair does. The establishment doesn’t care what these elites do. They won’t have to pay any significant price for another 4-8 years. When the 65+ voters are almost all dead, and another 9 years of social democratic youngers have joined the millennials. (THEN they are going to be increasingly out of power or there will be unacceptable levels of violence.)
CNN may have fired her. But in high places Brazile will be loved and praised; the only villain will be Wikileaks for exposing all of this. And Russia.
Putin controls Wikileaks, the FBI and, well, everything and everyone other than those in good standing with the DNC.
So Huma Abedin stored 650K Hillary Clinton emails using a yahoo email account in a folder titled “life insurance”?
Yahoo holds key to FBI probe of Hillary-Huma emails
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/yahoo-holds-key-to-fbi-probe-of-hillary-huma-emails/#80XX20xXTqjHRwho.99
has some very interesting information
Has Gil “fled?” Yanno, at least twice he’s accused others who haven’t replied to him as soon as he thinks they should have, or who have quit a thread, of “fleeing” due to an inability to answer one of Gil’s oh-so-damning and devastating questions. (Indeed, he’s even referred to this supposedly happening at another site, I think it was the Forward.) It’s a thing with him, like whataboutery.
Hmmm. By Gil’s metrics, then, he has now fled due to an ability to answer some questions.
Thanks fotr admitting you were wrong Mona.
I will vote for Hillary. I have an intense dislike of Trump and the thought of him appointing a few SCOUS members would be devistating. I agree with HC on some things not in others. Hardly a Hillary freak.
As for your Mubarek question, go back to the thread in which you asked it and you will find it was answered. Get me the link to the thread since you save these things and i will find it for you.
Ah! You fled, then thought how that would look, and returned, is that it, Gil?
Yes, I did, Gil, I totally admitted I was WRONG WRONG WRONG and LIED LIED LIED. That I do that was incredibly important to you, you who crows all the time about how you’ve won, defeated me, and shown I am wrong . Yes, indeed, this is a matter of huge import for GilG! (One might suspect his ego needs plumping up!)
Of course, Gil, nearly everyone reading my histrionic admission to utter and overwhelming WRONGESS at your hands (and especially if familiar with you), might suspect my admission is…insincere! I, of course, cannot help it if that happens, sorry Gil.
But Gil!!!11!11! You *do* support Hillary Clinton for president!1!1!!1! I was NOT wrong about that — were you having a bad day, Gil, forgetting that she is your Queen and you are voting for her? Gil, Gil, you are a Hillary “freak” like all the others who have an “intense dislike” for Trump and see her as a savior of the republic. You silly goose, OF COURSE you’ve been behaving here like a Hillary freak — what were you thinking in denying it? (But then you do inane stuff like this., so it isn’t unprecedented.)
Now Gil, and moing along, I saw no direct answer to the Mubarek question in the other thread, so how about you try it here? I mean, what can it hurt, right? It isn’t a difficult question. So, Gil:
(Watch folks: he has boxed himself into a corner in another thread, where he would not directly answer that; he can’t and won’t answer it here, either. He’s just smart enough to see the trap he’s created for himself.)
And let’s not forget this unanswered question from this thread, which so far you’ve only (not) addressed with whataboutery and evasion:
Well?
Saying you will vote for someone does not make one a freak for that person, does it Mona? If you have evidence to the contrary provide it. You also have been unable to back up your claim that I am a “militant zionist” .
As I said give me the link to the Mubarek thread and I will find what I posted concerning this issue.
I am not concerned what anyone reading our respective posts on this thread will think of me Mona. As a matter of fact you may want to do yourself a favor and read your posts directed at me on this thread and rethink how you present yourself.
Gil translated: “I’m still not going to answer the Mubarek question. I am boxed into a corner and can’t, so I will always find an excuse not to do so. And I’m just gonna keep ignoring that my Queen has advocated the rigging of Palestinian elections — there’s nothing I can say about that disgusting proposal that is good, whataboutery isn’t working, so I shall just pretend it did not happen.”
Oh, you are, sure enough you absolutely are. Preoccupied, even. It’s evident in your ostentatious, comical crowing about your prowess and victories.
I, by contrast, fully realize I’ve been playing with you rather like a six-year-old pulling wings off of flies, and I owned that. It’s just I’m human and you are so dumb, I went for some fun in a not-that-serious thread.
I won’t do it again. At least not in a thread about a weighty topic.
Yes, I agree you have been acting like a 6 year old, albeit more of a masochistic one rather than the sadistic kind you aspire to.
Not 6. Thirteen. You aren’t malicious, just incredibly stupid. And tenacious — you bring out my playful side cuz I swear, every time you show up, I hear and see this.
Good night, Gil
No one has alleged the email as it was published on Wikileaks is a forgery.
It’s actually even more pathetic that all of those criminal politicians want me to discontinue reading Intercept articles simply because it’s illegal for soldiers in the US to do so. Hope for something questionable, not completely delusional.
FBI in Internal Feud over Hillary Clinton Probe
Meh, that’s the WSJ and I don’t pay for a subscription. Can you state the gist?
I don’t pay the assholes, either. I just have good “browser management” skills. ;^)
Go to news.google. com and click on the link there — it’s near the top of the page. You’ll be able to read it that way.
To summarize the gist, I’d have to first run my brain through the Cuisinart — and that thing is really hard to clean.
Snippets:
And so on. . .
I actually know the google trick, but had thought it doesn’t work for WSJ. Tor is also very useful for not getting snagged by using up the free views-per-month allotment.
Yup.
And if you use Firefox, there’s a lovely add-on called “Self-destructing Cookies.”
As for the Google trick, if websites don’t let readers following links from Google News actually read the news, links from those sites don’t show up in Google News nearly as often. Undesirable for most sites.
This is why -Mona- wants me banned.
Anytime, and I mean anytime, someone pokes a holw in her balloon with facts, she resorts to attacking the messenger and calling for their banishment.
This is “-Mona-‘s” life-long MO.
You are a nut and a crank. None of that makes any sense and I see no way it negatively implicates me. Don’t defame me (which you have advisedly stopped doing) and I won’t seek to have you banned — something I have not done.
Now, I’m substantively ignoring you. Bye.
“None of that makes any sense and I see no way it negatively implicates me.”
‘I see’, said the blind man, as he walked into the wall.
But then you think only graduates may understand Pythagoras …
I got termites in the wooden tiling in my main bedroom and in the front door frame, had to rip the whole lot out. Once they’re in they’re a bitch to get out, even poison doesn’t work and torching them means torching your own place, which just ain’t on! Not that I am advocating violence. You know? But the new tiles look great in the bedroom and I have a shiny white aluminium door now, it is much better for me now and for the future of the kids, for America, and for the happiness of the world. Just saying, like.
Gil, did you think Mubarek was the legitimate president of Egypt until the day he left office?
Gil, have you ever stated here that you support Hillary Clinton for president?
Gil, what do you think about Hillary Clinton explicitly advocating the rigging of a Palestinians election? (Again, Gil, the right answer is not whataboutAssad.)
There exists a list of inquiries (there are others than the above three) from over several threads, that you cannot and will not address. Why is that, Gil? Lessee, you’ve invoked a certain, shall we say, impediment. So, ok, fine.
Gil, I admit, everything you said about showing me wrong. I can “prove” nothing that I have claimed about you, Gil. Not a thing. It’s all false, all a lie. I’m wrong. LIES WRONG!!! LIES WRONG!!! LIES WRONG!!! LIES WRONG!!!
Yup, hasbara-ists, antisemites, cranks and assorted others have very, very often insisted and ranted — JUST LIKE YOU, GIL — that they’ve constantly proved me wrong and a lair. And it’s so, so tragically true. I’ m wrong. And lying. The wrongest wrong. the lyingnest liar. Heinously, utterly, oh-so-wrong. Why, I’m so wrong so often, it’s a marvel of nature!!! LIES WRONG!!! LIES WRONG!!! LIES WRONG!!!
There. Now that we’ve got that out of the way, Gil: Mubarek? Your support for Hillary Clinton? Your reaction to her proposal to rig Palestinian elections?
Remember, as you made it a condition of answering: I ADMIT YOU, LIKE SO MANY HASBARA-ISTS, ANTISEMITES AND OTHER CRANKS, HAVE TOTALLY SHOWN I’M DREADFULLY WRONG AND LYING. So now Gil, let’s see some non-whataboutery, substantive answers from you. Because I and all know you are longing to answer these inquiries, and thereby demonstrate you were not just erecting excuses to avoid doing so, right Gil? Gil, right?
The Dems CIO doesn’t even know a phishing scam when he sees one.
That level of Incompetence inspires No Confidence. Every single clerk,
Administrative Assistant and Office Manager in this Country knows
what eludes this alleged Chief Information Officer.
More very bad news : EU and Canada sign long-delayed Ceta free trade deal.
Here’s a UN Rights expert stating his view on Ceta and the TTIP :
https://dezayasalfred.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/un-rights-expert-urges-states-not-to-sign-the-flawed-ceta-treaty-and-put-it-to-referendum/
Do you wish that China wins the race to the bottom?
The US has already won it – the place cant sink much lower.
I would say first world trading is a lot different than all the third world slave worker American job killing crap we currently endure.
A non nation deteriorating deal of both peoples and workers,probably,and trade between Canada and Europe are longstanding.
People let us resolve our differences and work towards solving the vacuum catastrophe.
I just downloaded some e-mails from the web. Unlike Wikileaks, I don’t know how to verify the e-mail headers, but they sound authentic to me.
H – I’m lounging by the pool with my tablet. People are looking over my shoulder while I’m sexting and it’s creeping me out – you wouldn’t believe how many people are perverts! – A
A – I’ve just forwarded a batch of classified e-mails. Just open them on your screen and tell the people to go away if they don’t have a security clearance – H
H – You’re the best! – A
I fear we are close to creating a bubble of true vacuum here.
The universe started out as a bubble of true vacuum. It turned out alright (except maybe for one planet).
One of the more abstruse realities of the ‘universe’ is it never ‘started out’ and it never ‘ends up’ … seemingly like Clinton’s State Dept. email business.
*there may be some ‘expansion’ and/or ‘contraction’
I don’t know if Mrs. Clinton’s e-mail scandal had no beginning and no end, but it has expanded to fill up the entire news media. E-mail was created by Satan (or possibly Microsoft) to tempt humans into surrendering their souls – and has been an enormous success.
“E-mail was created by Satan (or possibly Microsoft) ”
Bill Gates is Satan …
I’m sure the Wikileaks dump is real myself, but the way this article reads is “If you are accused of something, why don’t you prove your innocence?”
The burden’s just always on the accuser, or we WILL, for certain, get forged accusations over time, on what I like to call the “LBJ Principle”, though he didn’t invent it: “It doesn’t matter if it’s true, let’s see if we can get the sonofabitch to deny it.” LBJ just said it best.
Not true, at all. The piece above the line says, “if you make a claim [that the emails may be other than authentic], provide evidence for your claim.”
The burden is always on the accuser. Here, the accuser is the Clinton campaign. WikiLeaks has made no accusations.
There is no “accusation”. Only emails publicly revealed providing self-reference to their author and recipients. Third parties raising questions about the authenticity of the email have no basis for expressing an opinion.
It’s relatively simple for either author or recipient to stare-and-compare the copy of email purported to be real against the one in possession which is real for sure. If different, then offer both copies (including the headers) for inspection.
Hasn’t happened yet. If it does not, it’s reasonable to say neither the author nor the recipient has denied the publicly revealed email is a genuine copy.
If so, that evidence speaks for itself. Any “accusation” proceeds only from the words of people who do not deny they have written them. Because the emails are written communications, there also can be no risible “don’t remember” defense available.
Can you prove they are real?
Re: the latest email revelations, it seems that the voice not heard from yet but carrying the biggest stick may be Preet Bharara.
You may well be right :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736807/Is-America-s-toughest-prosecutor-acting-Clinton-Foundation-Preet-Bharara-scourge-corrupt-NY-pols-investigating-family-charity.html
I AM REALLY SORRY, REST OF BOARD
I know I said I was done with this, but I remembered another moronic GilG incident, and this thread isn’t all that serious anyway. So I just hafta do this; Gil, please FINALLY answer this question:
Oh, and Gil, if you want to ask me to show that you support Hillary Clinton, now I’ll be happy to. Cuz Gil, I found just the thing while retrieving that Mubarek question after consulting my “Gil bookmark file.” I was never gonna go hunting for an admission to what is manifestly true, what is “proof” you requested only as part of your ongoing diversion and whataboutery to change the subject. But I happen to have found it with the Mubaraek stuff — isn’t that great, Gil?
Gil, come on, finally answer that Mubarak inquiry. And then tell us whether I am right to say you support Hillary Clinton. (Hint: he does. Which has been obvious to any sentient being, but he’s also explicitly admitted it, notwithstanding his diversionary bullshit in this thread pretending that it couldn’t be shown.)
And then, Gil, once we have all that settled, then you will certainly owe us a substantive, non-whataboutery response to the fact that your Queen, Hillary Clinton — whom you support — has endorsed rigging the election of the Palestinian people.
(This really is so much like the proverbial fish, the barrel and the gun. But there’s just something about Gil’s particular style of imbecility that makes me take unusual pleasure in smacking him around. [shrug])
not possible for him to do so. His claim at having a pair are 2 50c gumballs and crazy glue.
meanwhile it turns out that Hellary and her so-called security experts lied about “russia did it”. Turns out Podesta got phished! Everyone on the planet knows not to get phished, almost everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0oFRqnBhfQ
Hahaha you can’t even keep your word for a few minutes.
You have my challenge. Prove I am a “Hillary freak” and a “militant Zionist” . and you will get my response.
You know how proof works Mona, as I have proved you wrong on a number of occasions for all to see.
I noticed you ignored the part of my post where I pointed out that other than the outright anti-semitism most of your views and those of the multitude of anti-semites that post on this board are pretty much in lock step. Right on cue barabbas posts in support of you. too funny
I feel I can speak for the rest of the board in thanking -Mona- for the additional “moronic” incident recall. I too was on the fence over whether to read GilG or not.
it must be deeply satisfying to have a license to ban people
it’s like your the head of the most powerful clique at school
or something
I suppose I sort of deserve that in this thread. You are an antisemitic asshole and crank who pisses me off — especially the libel you’ve been flinging.
But for obvious reasons I don’t take Gil seriously; he doesn’ t make me mad in the least. He’s a moron, but not bigoted and offensive like you. So, I’ve been acting like a snotty 13-year-old reveling in his dumbness. (And this isn’t an especially serious thread so I sort of went fuckit.)
But that’s rare for me. I’m usually serious here. Including about banning anyone, which should be, and is, very rare. But let’s be absolutely clear: I have no “license” to ban anyone, at all. That is Glenn’s decision, or that of another writer or staff-person here. Never mine.
Don’t crapflood, and don’t defame or impersonate real people — then you don’t have to worry about being banned.
But let’s be absolutely clear: I have no “license” to ban anyone, at all.
Yet you threaten to have people banned.
You declare with frequency that I’m a “crank and a nut”.
Yet you are not able to discuss basic math.
No wonder ‘killing the messenger’ is your default position.
What law school teaches that again?
Tom Fuentes is’t just some random Internet crank. Fuentes is a former Assistant FBI Director — and on CNN he just said the Clinton Foundation is, indeed, under an active FBI investigation.
Oh, my. This pot is a big, sticky mess of Everything Stew.
I think, as more details come to light, it becomes increasingly clear that Jim Comey really had no conscionable choice other than to release the letter to Congress.
He clearly felt blindsided by the Bill & Loretta tarmac meeting and performed the best tap dance he could in letting Hillary off with a stern lecture after that. He took a huge ration of shit for it, but everything we know indicates he was trying to make the best of a really crummy situation.
Having done that and found himself, this week, being briefed on the Weiner-Abedin material, with apparent impact on three separate investigations, he was in an even worse no-win trap. He seems to have done what he believes is the most honorable thing possible, knowing that he would be engulfed in the fires of political hell.
Comey is a career prosecutor and, by all accounts, a rigid and righteous rule-follower. I’m sure I’d hate his guts, but nothing suggests that he makes a habit of playing politics.
P.S. Bill, Hillary and Huma, and some other folks, may be in very deep stuff.
Yeah, Comey is really a bit of a Boy Scout. Recall when Alberto Gonzales ran to John Ashcroft’s sick bed with Comey close behind? They had a total stand-off.
Then a few months later Comey also threatened to resign over the same illegal program.
Whatever is going on, he’s doing what he thinks propriety requires.
I have to disagree a bit, Mr. Doug. The shady, slimy and incredibly wasteful informant system alone, that Comey’s done nothing to curb or even reduce, disabuses any notion he’s a rigid and righteous rule-follower. When he arrests a single CIA officer or elected leader for war crimes I’ll reconsider that attitude, but until then he’s JUST one of “them” – oppressing “others” with blatant hypocrisy.
I’ll give you he’s in a rock and hard place currently, but other than prosecuting war criminals or resigning his office – I can’t think of a damn thing he could do at this point I’ll ever consider “honorable.”
“Comey is a career prosecutor and, by all accounts, a rigid and righteous rule-follower.”
— Doug Salzmann
I guess Comey wants a bigger payoff than a Weiner roast. AG Comey? Justice Comey?
A desperate and shameless Bob Mackey is belatedly trying to put a condom on Weiner’s leakage (or is it Comings?).
Yes yes yes yes yes, and lets hope and prey they investigate their entire corrupt and criminal, evil empire.
Who Knew?
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2151.htm
@-Mona-
And we get the same “nada-, zilch, zip” from -Mona- regarding the silence of the Jews listening to the claim of rigging a Palestinian election.
She’ll resort to calling me an anti-Semite. You’ll almost hear her foot-stomp of emphasis …
This cretin is an antisemite as I’ve also discussed here.I substantively ignore it, for the most part. (As does one of our Jewish commenters, also for the most part.) He’s best pals with the hardcore Zionists here, bonding in joint hatred of me — which I love and thrive in.
But I do apologize to the board for having gotten carried away toying with Zionist idjit, GilG. He’s a moron, and when he suddenly popped up to spew a total non sequitur about Bashar al-Assad (!!!) in response to something about Hillary Clinton — I was greatly entertained and sort of had a field day. But it really does mess up the board.
So I will stop now. And ignore nuf as well.
“He’s best pals with the hardcore Zionists here, bonding in joint hatred of me”
Actually the many anti-Semites on this board are in lock step with you on most issues Mona. I would think that would give you pause, however insight is not your strong suit. Also I hate no one, especially someone who provides me so much entertainment.
I knew you would have to run away when pressed to back up your accusations. The deal still stands.
Oh and by the way, the idea that you would be concerned for hijacking the thread is another example of your mendacity. There is barely a thread that you post on that doesn’t end up with you braying like a donkey about some personal grudge. too funny.
gilly gilly gilly….
jewish persons are not zionists.
zionists are different.
anyone can become a zionist
it’s a club
you sound like a 1500’s witch burner
very anti-american
says the moron who claimed zionists crucified Jesus. face it barb you outed yourself long ago.
besides where did I say jewish people are zionists ? not only are you a stupid jew hater but you either lack the ability to read and/ or are a liar. not to mention the obvious that you are posting on this board in quantities that make it clear you have no job. living off the state parasite?
That’s insulting. Donkeys are not narcissists and cannot repeatedly post confirmed lies to public discussion forums. They are also able to modify their behavior after getting caught.
Gil “Whataboutery” G. No answers on anything from me until you address what your whataboutery (this time) is designed to avoid. Whataboutery, to wit:
You are both an ardent Zionist and a Hillary Clinton supporter. I will never, ever go “look” for anything to “prove” what you’ve made obvious to anyone with two IQ points to rub together. They also know whataboutery is a fallacy.
Smart people are the only ones whose opinions here matter at all to me. People who wouldn’t let themselves end up in a corner like this.
But tick, tock, Gil. The whataboutery is getting so out-of-control — constant, really — with you. I truly am close to adding you to the ignore list. Knock it off, and I’ll keep engaging; don’t, and I likely won’t. (I’ll do as I do for Craig — state I ignore you, and linking to examples of your inanity to show readers why you are an idiot and thus ignoring is the right thing to do.)
Very insulting… Donkeys are not narcissistic hypocrites and do not repeatedly post confirmed lies to public forums. They can also modify behavior before getting caught a few hundred times.
Stan, unlike Gil, Craig Summers and nuf, you I will not mock or ridicule into the pavement. You, Stan, are almost certainly mentally ill. You believe you are a “Targeted Individual,” and most of those unfortunates are just very sick. You post unstable, bizarre things like this:
For pushing so much of that kind of material you have been repeatedly banned. And, you dislike me because I reject as false all of your paranoid delusions.
Get some professional help.
“Get some professional help.”
You seem to relish giving mental health advice.
Anecdotal because you are not a doctor …
Mirrors make a great source
You are correct Stan. My apologies to donkeys.
Funny,the only thing she seems to be right on is Palestinian repression.
All her other positions are common illiberal BS,and she never critiques the assault on the world by USzion all across the ME.
She supports fifth column provocateurs in Syria,Ukraine and Russia.
Juan Cole is credible.
And never does she acknowledge zions lock on US media,the most antidemocratic movement in American history.
PS;Palestine’s repression is also caused by zion,and is the most futile endeavor(results)because of that lock on info.
Does not compute.She is counterfeit money.
“(As does one of our Jewish commenters, also for the most part.) ”
Your appeal to authority is laughable. Gator just pooped in the other day to fuck with Pedinska, of all people.
Gator is a HRC supporter.
He is a supporter of Israel.
Did any of the ‘room full of Jews’, as you called them, complain about the idea to rig Palestinian elections?
Do you approve of the lack of condemnation?
Are you going to threaten to “have [me] banned” again?
I’ve been reading Glenn for almost 11 years. I remember your crap going back to the days of Hypatia.
How many times do you declare you are going to ignore someone and then you re-post your “95% of the time” mantra (nice use of a number, btw) and then you engage promptly CS.
Revisiting Gil’s whataboutery addiction
He’s a Zionist, so of course he makes recourse to whataboutery, and has done so here, his very first comment in this thread. This discussion concerns Hillary Clinton and revelations of what she’s said in private via email and in speeches. And what does Gil do, well, he brings up…Assad vis-a-vis Hillary! (See, she’s no worse than Bashar Al-Assad, you see. LOL)
So, Gil., as I said I’d be asking every time you perform whataboutery, (which, let’s face it, means virtually every time you post) I want to know why you do not rant about the carnage in Yemen, huh, Gil?
Remember Gil, you thought it was just AWFUL I asked about Yemen in a thread about Syria. Except, most amusingly, you hadn’t read the whole thread to see I was doing it purposefully, and had said so — precisely to teach you and other Zionists about the follies of your favorite fallacy, to wit: whataboutery.
So, Gil, if Assad is so relevant to THIS discussion, why then Gil, I demand to know why you do not rant about Yemen. Well, Gil, what about it? Huh, Gil?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
you demand? oh my!!!!!
I have offered to render my opinion about Hillary and I will speak about Yemen as well, and all you have to do is back up your claim or admit you lied.
What about it Mona? Just think you can get your wish and all you have to do is prove what you claimed. Oh the mendacity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiE-h9ZYag
Translation”:”Yes, I do tons of whataboutery, it’s almost all I do. And what of it?”
So Gil, and again, how come you have not a thing to say about your Queen’s rancid proposal to rig elections of a people you despise?
And Gil, why aren’t you ranting, often, about the carnage in Syria?
Come on, Gil. Show the nice people you can do it! Let go of the whataboutery, and deal with the FACTSof your Queen’s vile proposal.
And Gil, my sweetie, your first and only “answer” is wrong. This has nada to do with: Assad. LOLOLOL That Gil, is your nasty whataboutery affliction rearing its head again, you poor thing.
Cuz Gil, until you address this — actually deal with this horrible thing Hillary said– you’re gonna get this from me in every single thread in which you show up. :)
Oh sure, at some point, I will stop asking you any further questions, and add you to the ignore list wiht Craig and nuf. (But I will alsways announce that I ignore you, and link to your peak inanity, here.) But before that happens, you’ll see THIS ISSUE ALL THE TIME UNTIL YOU ANSWER IT.
LOLOLOLOL
Platte River Networks and Paul Combetta (Clinton’s “I plead the Fifth” IT people) are wire wrapped around their necks and are currently hanging in the Halls of Congress.
The FBI reopened the investigation to save their lives.
Platte River Networks and Paul Combetta (Clinton’s “I plead the Fifth” IT people) have wire tied around their necks and are currently hanging in the Halls of Congress.
The FBI reopened the investigation to save their lives.
Well it looks like Anthony Wiener’s lack of moral character has come back to poison the whole corrupt flock after all, eh Glenn Greenwald? You might want to rethink your current definition of personal privacy as much of this could have been avoided had Huma Abedin kicked Anthony to the curb years ago when the news of his sexting escapade on public servers first came to light.
“had Huma Abedin kicked Anthony to the curb years ago when the news of his sexting escapade on public servers first came to light.”
Unless Huma is like Cosby’s wife or Hillary; married to coattails.
Mob wives, if you will …
Funny that Gotti’s wife just endorsed Hillary because she “respects her”. In other words, the Clinton tributes were sufficient.
If Hillary goes down over this I will concur there is a God and begin church attendance.
John Gotti Sr.s wife is Jewish.
Drove by TD,they had a poll on whose foreign policy was better,Donald’s or the criminal’s;72-28 Donald Trump victorious.
At a corrupt HB loving site.Hoo hah.
Juan Cole sucks,and anyone who touts him a rational and unbiased voice is insane.
What was Mona’s handle at Salon?I don’t remember a Mona.
Abedin-Weiner electronic device was laptop, had tens-of-thousands of emails, source
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/29/abedin-weiner-electronic-device-was-laptop-had-tens-thousands-emails-source.html
Breaking – It’s Over, She Is Quitting From The Race: Hillary Cancels All Events In 3 Critical Swing States! usapoliticstoday.com
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/breaking-quitting-race-hillary-cancels-events-3-critical-swing-states/
The FBI should also be investigating the failed attempts to frame Julian Assange as a pedophile and Russian spy.
They’ll make a movie someday detailing the vilification of Assange by the governments of a number of countries, and the role of that that character assasination of him played in discrediting WikiLeaks.
I think Trump will find it hard to dis Assange once in office,a good thing for Assange,huh?
Trump has been ahead all along,and this newest stuff might be a last ditch attempt to thwart Trump by declaring the election cancelled.
The SC would vote which way on that?Hmmm….
I am sure the MSM are squirting in their undies right now,and they and zion on fire.
America first is the last thing they want to hear.
Expect anything from criminal serial liars.
As head of the executive branch, can Obama continue to campaign for and with her while she’s under investigation? Wouldn’t that be a conflict of interest?
Thats an interesting question, anyone have any legal insight?
Matt Schlapp: Comey’s redemption may cost crooked Hillary the White House
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303453-jim-comeys-redemption-may-cost-crooked-hillary-the
@Gil
Ah, the whataboutery is strong in this one. (The hypocrisy-accusation fallacy is a kissing cousin of the whataboutery thing, and often subsumed within it.)
Let us again observe that Zionist hack, Gil, has nothing — nada-, zilch, zip — to say about Queen Hillary advocating that elections be rigged for those Palestinians he so despises. Not. One. Word. Just more MOAR MOAR (ianopposite) fallacy, my emphasis:
Same Zionist shit, different day.
Really, I CANNOT imagine that a candidate for president I was known to support had been discovered to have explicitly advocated subverting democratic elections and my not saying a disapproving thing about it. I can’t think of any plausible circumstances in which I would not denounce that. Who does not?
Manifestly Zionists do not; certainly not Gil. No, they revert to their favorite fallacy: whataboutery. When it isn’t even there so they simply made it up!
Zionism, as with neoliberalism, fries brains (especially in making them fallacy-friendly) and corrupts the conscience. Gil is simply Exhibit 5,391 of this over-documented fact.
Mona you positively become unhinged every time I expose you for being without ethics, morality or logic. Your mendacity is further highlighted by your misdirecting the thread away from my challenges to you to back up your claims by posting at the top of the thread rather than under my post. You can’t back up your claims because you know they are without merit. Oh well, thanks for proving correct yet again.
You began this with a non sequitur of whataboutery. You then did more whataboutery (about Doug). Now you knida let whataboutery go, and are tap dancing to misdirection.
THIS is what is at issue, and only this:
Let us again observe that Zionist hack, Gil, has nothing — nada-, zilch, zip — to say about Queen Hillary advocating that elections be rigged for those Palestinians he so despises. Not. One. Word.
Gil, Gil, my turtledove, I will NEVER allow you to change the subject. I will never run around meeting any of your non sequitur demands for proof of this or that. YOU are doing whataboutery, and will not say one negative thing about Hillary Clinton’s proposing to rig the elections of a people you, as a Zionist, utterly despise.
I’m adding this to my Gil bookmarks. You will see it, again, again and again. Until you grow a pair and address the actual FACT that the next POTUS advocated rigging the election of a people whom you detest.
You can run (with whataboutery!), Gil, but you cannot hide. HAHAHAHAHA
You can’t back up your claims because you know they are without merit. Oh well, thanks for proving correct yet again.
I will be happy to address what Hillary said, but not until you either back up your claims or admit you you lied and apologize.
How about it Mona? Let’s see you grow a pair yourself. too funny.
gilly gilly gilly
when are you going to establish yourself as legitimate?
you think bashing mona is some sort of a win?
it is not.
you need to demonstrate yourself as a worthy person if your spewage is to inherit any sort of worthiness.
hope this helps.
There is plenty to bash Mona for,but her being correct on Palestine isn’t one of them.Too bad her thinking isn’t consistent about the actual malevolent entity on this planet,and their attempt to insert the most bubbleheaded obvious criminal screwup in American history on US.
It just hit me that this Comey announcement might be totally lefthanded,as this will give the bots their own fixed election meme.
Wow.Lets see.
John Pilger on Clinton, Trump, the media, WikiLeaks and war :
http://johnpilger.com/articles/inside-the-invisible-government-war-propaganda-clinton-trump
In July, when Republican FBI Director, James Comey, announced last July that Hillary Clinton had done nothing for which she would be criminally indicted, the Dems thought he was a model of professional rectitude, probity and righteousness. Look a them now: A href=”http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-james-comey/index.html”>Clinton campaign wages new war against James Comey
D’oh!
Clinton to Comey: “I thought we had a deal!”
“Clinton to Comey: “I thought we had a deal!””
or
but I paid!
Saw a wikileak somewhere about T McCaulliffe in VA and a quid pro quo with a Comey family member.I’m a luddite,sorry no link,probably TD comments.
Hillary Clinton, The Podesta Group And The Saudi Regime: A Fatal Menage A Trois
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/medea-benjamin/hillary-clinton-the-podes_b_11779826.html
For consideration: The apparent discovery of thousands of messages that may be relevant to the Clinton email investigation, on devices used by Huma Abedin, may very well create a situation in which Clinton’s and Abedin’s legal interests diverge sharply.
BTW, reports indicate that Abedin is not traveling with the candidate today.
Hellary Clinton: It was Russia who done it and we did not murder Seth Rich
Huma Abedin knows a lot of stuff.
Will Hellary promote Huma like she did DWS or will she take another route?
The HB is a kiss up kick down sort of girl.
Huma was expendable.(sorry John Ford)
I think the more important questions will be about the route Huma decides to take when she’s interviewed, again, by the FBI.
meanwhile Hellary is crying foul on the crap she laid. She says she wants Comey to put it all out there o the table knowing full well the f…b…i… would not do that. An easy gambit but at the same time, another ready-set-backfire on secrecy. Hey Hell, put yer GS speech out there and those payments for cgi, just lay it all out there, no more secret spy stuff, eh?
Yup.
Why does anyone take Politifact seriously at this point? They’re biased as hell in favor of the Dem establishment.
No idea who funds them, but their stuff is stupid, shoddy and not objective.
Do an article on that, Zaid!
Also, Doug Brand is a fixer for the Clintons. Made a lot of money from being their fixer. And them from him. As his email enumerates. Mutually beneficial, symbiotic relationship.
Hillary Clinton is very good at influence-peddling. Exceptionally good at it. A rare talent. And not good at much else, such as governance.
She is a puppet for whomever pays her: Zionist Israel supporters, war contractors, Wall Streeters, oil interests, big pharma, etc.
Can’t figure out why those who are not in this category –i.e. the American people–take her seriously. She is running against the biggest clown of all time, and still she’s struggling–because she’s so corrupt + out of date (Cold War-era fixation on Russophobia and regime change to promote US empire) + has demonstrated no reason for running for prez other than wanting to be prez–and an unholy willingness to take money from anyone who will help her with that.
Good and accurate post.
Whats really pathetic about HRC support is that they are supporting a criminal non democratic heist of the election,as she is working hand in hand with the MSM,who are attempting the biggest fix in our electoral history.
But truth,and Donald Trump, keep upsetting their ill laid plans.
Does torture work?Do ruffles have ridges?Jesus.
10,000? years,all for naught.
WTF?
Is it civilized and acceptable?No.But it will continue,as humans will be humans.
I love the way the purists lay the world’s ills on Trump,and he never ordered a thing.Amazing.She did,multiple times.
A national lobotomy,courtesy ZNN.
Doesn’t sit well with you, does it?
Tell yourself it doesn’t matter. Tell yourself they’re evil. Tell yourself Uncle Don only wants to make America great again. Tell yourself sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do.
But whatever you do, don’t remind yourself of Washington’s words during the Revolutionary War.
??I’m just pointing out common human nature,as torture has been used since the dawn of man as info getting.
I am against it,and of course it may not be accurate,at least sometimes,but it is effective,and why it’s done.
And I’m sure somebody in the Continental Army tortured someone in some way,maybe Major Andre?,as they were humans,and not perfect.
Pointing out reality in no way endorses it.
And no Mr.Trump is not my idol,but he may be our hero,once elected.I fervently hope so.And if he is another f*ckup,his supporters will let him know,as we are not bots like HRC wackos.
One thing about Trump.
He shows you exactly who he is.
You know exactly who he is as well.
Hide it from yourself with hopes and rationalizations, but you know — somewhere within you … you know that he’ll make Dick Cheney look like the Pope. (The current one, not the other one who reminds everyone of Gollum.)
When the US opens the deportation camps, you’ll still be telling yourself it’s for the best no matter how hollow it sounds.
It’s strange, isn’t it? When you lie to yourself, you have to work twice as hard to maintain the fiction because the truth still infiltrates your dreams like a ghost.
You know what sort man Trump is. You just refuse to listen to yourself.
Donald Trump is a reflection of the corruption of the American way of life,promoted and promulgated by the exact scum who are totally against him.Their fruits are in all the garbage you watch on TV,hear on the radio,and most of what you see on the web.Talk about vulgarity.
You know this,and also know Bent Bick is accused of actual rape,Biden a groper,Obomba not above a little buttock perusal,and Weiner a child molester,married to the personal assistant to the total criminal and career screwup HRC.
Trump probably groped as many women as Bruce Springsteen.
Stop the propaganda.
Hillary wins the election. Then she’s indicted and charged. She stepped down and her VP becomes president. This might be what they had in mind all along.
Antics of a Zionist Hillary fanatic, taking whataboutery to all new heights
These Hillary freaks are hilarious. As I documented below, Queen Hillary actually told a group of American Jews that the United States should have rigged the Palestinian election. And, lo, out pops militant Zionist, Gil, not to say that was a bad thing for Hillary to say, and would be a horrible thing to actually do.
Oh no! Gil has no objections, at all, to the United States dictating the outcome of elections for a people he considers as less than animals. Especially not when his Queen has made the proposal.
No. Gil jumps into this thread solely to deflect, with inanity — WHATABOUT!!!! — about Doug who long ago had disagreed as to whether a Middle Eastern election, somewhere else, had in fact been rigged. To Gil, this disagreement — this “is” dispute — means that Hillary’s normative, “ought” statement about a people he despises, is just fine.
No problem. Move on folks. My Queen is wonderful. Because whataboutDoug.
That folks, is the Zionist brain and morality, especially when he’ shot-up with Hillary disease. They can and do accept and defend ANYTHING.
Those would be Semites by your definition …
Did they object to her statement?
Huh , Mona gets caught being hypocritical and she goes into maddog attact mode. too funny. I have I never expressed support for Hillary yet in Mona wrapped mind she is my queen. How ironic that the person who literally spends her life as a toadie and worshiper of Glenn and Max B accuses me of having a queen. Sorry Mona I really don’t take advice about disease or brains from someone who appears to be chock full of one and totally lacking the other. The fact remains that you and your bud defended a fixed election vehemently and criticized someone for saying an election that wasn’t fixed should of been. You characterize me as a “Hillary freak” and a militant Zionist. i challenge you to back up either statement. If you cant you will prove once again how lacking in credibility or honesty you are.
Cancel this election and give Obama an ‘FDR’ 3rd term!
The economy is shite,the world is in flames,and you want the clown who helped make it the absolute disaster it is,more time in office?
He is the most teflon POTUS in history,with absolutely no pushback on any of his myriad screwups,from Iraq,to Libya,to Afghanistan,to Ukraine ,to Somalia,to Kenya,to Tunisia,to Syria,to Turkey,to Israel,to Palestine,to the South China Sea,Venezuela to Brazil to Obombacare,to corrupt SD and Justice dept.,to bad SC choices,to the further collapse of our economy,to TPP and everywhere else this phony pos touches.
All we got from him is a divided nation, multiple terrorists attacks and Cuban Rum and cigars.
What ever happened to the Turk murderer in Washington state story? CA gang murders on LI? The absolute mockery of truth Iranian used used car salesman in propaganda to defend Saudis?
A complete mockery of truth and justice.
Trump for POTUS;America Unchained.
cancel the election and give Obama the prison term for heinous war crimes, torture, abuse and corruption he so richly deserves.
Maybe Hillary Clinton should consult with Ismael Zambada again? I’m sure she’s got his number one of any of the phones she’s been using for work, maybe like the one Anthony Wieners been letting her use?
This whole thing is a load of horse shit. Whats the difference between a foundation and a super pac? At least a foundation does some public good. A super pac collects money and it operates under the same conditions of “pay for play”. Does anyone think that person giving a large donation to a candidate’s super pac means they won’t get special attentions and help from the candidate once elected? Super pacs are design to do exactly what Clinton is being accused of and all the powerful politicians have their own Super Pac.
So where is the outrage for super pacs? Where are all the calls and public chants for throwing the politicians with super pacs in jail?
Trump has admitted he has donated money to politicians and expected special treatment. So he used the system to his advantage when it suited him and if he believes the that Hillary committed crimes enough to be put in jail then fine, he needs to go to jail too because the giver is just as guilty as the taker. Unless your a self serving hypocrite.
Trump exposed the truth by saying he buys influence.He is against it on principle,but your hell bitch isn’t.
How do people become multi mega millionaires on public service?
By being crooked.
Jesus.
Hillaryous;Do you think the mafia takes it all?No,they skim the cream,just like the HB and Bent Dick.sheesh.
Any reports on Trumps you know what’s size from all these alleged groped women?Wapo would pay big!sheesh again.
Jul 7, 2016 Justice Vs. “Just Us”: Of Course the FBI Let Hillary off the Hook
The only thing that surprises me is that anyone is surprised by this.
https://youtu.be/tmcox43ErRA
Investment Watch Blog: It seems that our beloved FBI Director is or until very recently was a director and board member of HSBC, which is tightly connected to the Clinton Foundation.
http://www.hsbc.com/news-and-insight/2013/former-us-deputy-attorney-general-joins-hsbc-board
“Mr. Comey’s appointment will be for an initial three-year term which, subject to re-election by shareholders, will expire at the conclusion of the 2016 Annual General Meeting.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/hillary-clinton-foundation-donors-hsbc-swiss-bank
“Clinton foundation received up to $81m from clients of controversial HSBC bank” It’s like a revolving door of money and special projects that the bank and the CF are involved in. This is the same HSBC that was accused of laundering drug cartel money, was heavily involved in the LIBOR scandal, and who knows what else, and all while our esteemed FBI Director James “she didn’t intend it” Comey was part of the senior leadership.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/search/node/HSBC
Put her in jail where she belongs.
Lock her up!
If you can fool enough of the people, enough of the time…
When did the FBI seize Huma and Weiner’s computers, why did they not discover these emails earlier, was there a cover-up earlier?
Yes, look up “reddit ruined the Hillary campaign” concerning her IT guy, know as “StoneTear” online, was found to have been trying to delete emails JUST AFTER the Congressional order to hand them over.
Smoking gun concerning destruction of property and obstruction of justice.
Yes, look up “Reddit ruined the Hillary campaign” concerning her IT guy Paul Combetta, known online as “StoneTear” and how he asked how to delete emails JUST AFTER the Congressional order to hand them over.
Smoking gun.
Yes, the FBI/Comey/Obama have been covering up for Clinton AND Obama. Consider if Putin got Clinton’s emails say in 2013 (which would include lots of earlier emails such as emails regarding the Benghazi attack in 2012 including her emails with Obama) how do you think he’d be using them?
Why with Clinton’s emails, Putin might pressure Obama to back off his Syrian Red Line, he might pressure them to give USA humiliating favors to his ally Iran who’s backing ISIS, and he might pressure them to sell much of the US’s uranium interests to Russia. And he might ensure that those benefiting from the deals, give the Clinton Foundation nice donations to sweeten the deal and provide them a reason they sold out the US that isn’t related to being blackmailed.
Wouldn’t Obama be working to cover this up along with Clinton? And won’t Comey stall the investigation until after the election? That way, he can let whoever wins have their way with the evidence (so Clinton will destroy it, and Trump will use it to prosecute Clinton).
Why is the international media ignoring the question – Is Julian Assange safe, well and alive at the Ecuador London Embassy? Why can’t we get some definitive proof of his life?
Coming to this article, no author or recipient of any of the Clinton emails published by Wikileaks has claimed that the email was not sent or received by him’her and was therefore forged.
All others are merely speculating without any access to facts and this speculation is intended as disinformation propaganda.
Here’s a project for all you fair minded people to Google:
ERIN ANDREWS: Nude Video of ESPN Reporter
As the Russian government, the alt-right, Julian Assange and network news rummage through someones private life, do you ever wonder what happened to common decency?
You should.
You mean like the common decency afforded to people by the US Govt’s secret nsa mass surveillance programs ? If ordinary people have no privacy in their private lives why should the political elite expect anything different?
,blockquote> the US Govt’s secret nsa mass surveillance programs ? If ordinary people …
Do you understand there’s a difference between an institution (US government/NSA) and actual human beings?
Let me give you a hint.
Institutions do not feel shame. Institutions do not fear imprisonment. Institutions act to achieve goals. Institutions can theoretically live forever. Institutions cannot be led to the guillotine. Institutions are, by definition, public. Institutions are legal fictions which people confuse with actual human beings.
Institutions are not people.
I know in this institutionalized world, many people cannot distinguish flesh from ideology.
So let me give you another clue.
Flesh bleeds.
You might as well say that since Erin Andrews worked for ESPN and gets paid by ESPN, she has surrendered expectations of privacy. We need to know if her boobs are real. Inquiring minds …
Since the author of this of this article works for the (institution) The Intercept, he should have to prove he’s not on Donald Trump’s payroll.
Right?
Your claim seems to be that no one can expect privacy because NSA (Wikileaks) tramples those expectations.
Therefore Hillary Clinton must also relinquish her expectations of privacy … and oh by the way, she must prove her innocence of some unspecified crime asserted by Donald Trump and his surrogates/supporters.
Hillary Clinton’s crimes are hardly unspecified :
http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
And here :
Clinton Cash full movie :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp2akjuUULI
Sorry, but a Breitbart funded swiftboat hit-vid isn’t proof of anything but your own lack of critical thought.
Your alt-right scumbag buddies will say anything to destroy anyone who opposes their malignant political agenda.
Go vote Trump and stop pretending you have an interest in decency or fair play.
Geesh.
Vote for Hillary – its a vote for decency and fairplay, right.
I can see that clearly from the long list of well documented, evidence of crime and corruption (whoops I meant slanders) :
http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
Hahaha — what a bunch of crap.
You cite a Donald Trump webpage which specifies no crime but rather lists a series of political slanders as proof of her crimes??
Do you even understand the difference between something which is “criminal” (sexual assault, for instance) and something which is “political” (Obama lied, Clinton wants open borders, Saudi Arabia and Qatar support ISIS, etc.).
Trump isn’t just an ignoramus.
He’s a slanderer.
So are you.
“Do you understand there’s a difference between an institution (US government/NSA) and actual human beings?”
Right. There are no actual human beings in the NSA; it is machines, mostly.
Hillary’s best friend is married to a kiddie porn guy. Hillary is married to a sleaze-ball rapist. They are human beings, with feelings, I’m told.
See? They are people first and foremost.
At least you know the difference between human beings and machines.
Good for you.
Now take one further step … you can if you try … go ahead … try …
An institution is a fictional human being. Like Deputy Dawg or Wile E. Coyote or a Barbie doll. (“Fictional” means “not real.”)
Bill Cosby’s wife, Anthony Weiner and the people who work at NSA are all “real” people. Not fictional.
Now that you understand that, when Donald Trump threatens to torture “terrorists,” he’s talking about torturing real human beings. When he says he wants to kill the families of terrorists, he’s not talking about cartoons or plastic action figures. He’s talking about killing real people.
In many civilizations, including ours, killing real people is called “murder.”
Murder is an actual crime.
So whatever crimes you and the Breitbart crowd want to invent for HRC, Donald Trump — the only alternative to HRC — has actually said he will murder real people if he gets the chance.
Your “guilt by association” nonsense only reveals the shallows of your thought. Sooner or later you’ll have to admit that by condemning HRC for imaginary crimes, you’re also advocating for a man who advocates war crimes.
As my next accuser, dahoit, points out:
To which I say, “indeed.”
That’s funny.
Hillary cackled like a mad-woman over the slaughter in Libya.
How many woman and children died in that invasion? How many are dying due to the weapon spread from a shattered Libya?
Anthony Wiener’s child is on the same bed as dictexts are being sent to another minor. (Tony couldn’t even stop sexting while running for office)
Bill Cosby’s wife has been covering for her rapist- hubby Bill longer than Hillary has been covering for her rapist- hubby Bill.
These events are not imaginary to anyone other than you and the Hilbot crew.
Let’s see if we can’t unravel your hysterical imaginings and actuality.
Anthony Weiner is not running for president.
Bill Cosby’s wife is not running for president. Even Bill Cosby is not running for president (although there is someone running for president who has bragged about sexual assaulting women.)
“Rapist-hubby Bill” is not running for president.
Cackling like a madwoman is not a crime.
Our legal system, indeed our entire county, is based upon certain rights. A charge must precede a trial. A trial must precede a verdict. A verdict always follows.
You don’ t get to call Bill Clinton a rapist. He has not been convicted of rape. (He has admitted to consensual sex with a woman not his wife. That isn’t rape.)
You don’t get to “lock her up” without a charge, without a trial, without an impartial judiciary, without judgment by a jury of her peers and without a verdict.
You certainly don’t get to lock her up for cackling (even if true) about something.
Here is what you can be charged with, tried for, judged upon and punished for: Murder. Torture. Kidnapping.
In the Soviet Union it might be fine to imprison or even kill your political opponents, but it’s not okay in America. In the Soviet Union, it might be okay to charge someone associated with a political opponent, but it’s not okay in America. In the Soviet Union, it might be okay to execute people whom you declare guilty without a trial. It might be okay to kill their mothers and daughters and fathers and sons.
But this Soviet style of justice does not belong in the United States of America — no matter how much your little Putin puppet wishes it.
Still bloviating ,serial liar?A blowhards blowhard.Defending criminal behavior constantly has effects on the soul,if possesses one.
The Guardian,Wapo and NYTs love you.
Indeed.
How do you manage to condone — celebrate — an aspiring murderer?
I suppose next you’ll try to tell me that emails are worse than torture and murder.
SMH
A common everyday occurrence already by the previous pos,and the current pos.
I’m sure you are aware of that,as even the serial lying MSM have to report it once in a while.Sheesh.
You are a propagandist,a very very dishonest approach to reality.
Trump is not the second coming,everyone knows his shortcomings(no,not that) as being vulgar and somewhat vague on his policy proposals,but compared to HRC,he is John the Baptist.
And when he gets in,we will hold his feet to the fire,as we are not propagandists,as he obviously isn’t,another black mark on him issued by traitors.He’s shot down almost every shibboleth issued by our masters.
America Unchained.
American patriots will rejoice!
Divide and conquerors will scurry to dark corners and hidey holes,like salon,the nation,td,to,mw,hp,altn,cd and all the other bs factories alongside the MSM.
Never visited Breitbart in my life.The dead namesake was a right wing zionist,his site is now different I’ve heard(from the web)and maybe I might visit in the future,as the number of credible non propagandist sites are dropping like flies.
The point is HRC is the worst decision making, corrupt,wrongheaded,bubbleheaded idiot to ever run for POTUS.
Donald Trump is a bright successful billionaire whose policy of America First is the best breath of fresh air in years for patriots.
And his jaw jaw is much better than her war war(for what?)anyday.
I see no competition,as she has a terrible record rap sheet a mile long,and growing,like Pinochio’s nose.
And again,all who support her,knowing,or unknowingly,are anti democrats,as the fix is and has been in for months.
Incredible,she should be polling in the single digits.
Such is the power of the media,propagandists all.
Another Friday release.Will this one have legs?They always amputate over the WE.
A silent war continues, led by the west, ignored by the media, writes John Pilger.
Inside The Invisible Government: John Pilger On War, Propaganda, Clinton And Trump by John Pilger
https://archive.fo/1inAb#selection-389.1-389.83
Here’s Exactly How We Know That Hillary Is Under Criminal Investigation
By Michael Tracey :
https://medium.com/@mtracey/heres-exactly-how-we-know-that-hillary-is-under-criminal-investigation-e1f95ee7bf69#.1jcpxpw05
The top 100 Most Damaging Wikileaks :
http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
Some of the correct-think vendors here share a certain conviction with most educated americans, that the nyt, wapo, and credibility are synonyms. TI’s full time sock puppets share another habit with fellow patriots: telling people they do not buy cnn narratives themselves while demanding confirmation from cnn when others’ narratives compete with the brand. The sales rep’s job is arduous. It must think on its feet and there is no room for cognitive dissonance. It must “always be closing”.
An exceptional opinion management demo follows.
Doug S. v Fritoblocker between 6:47pm – 9:45pm BRST on Oct. 28
Frito @ 6:47pm BRST
Yet, much evidence is being brought forth, that the “dating service” [TomAndClare] accusing Julian Assange of “pedophelia”, is actually connected with Larry Summers, Podesta’s center for american progress and Neera Tandem; further connecting the dots to Clinton.
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Doug G @ 6:53 p.m. BRST
Citations?
@ 7:35 p.m. BRST
(frito blocker then produces some parking tickets)
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Orvill reply to D.G. @ 7:36 p.m BRST
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article110904727.html
[Note: the reddit thread was more interesting before being sanitized by patriots]
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Frito @ 7:45pm BRST
Canadafreepress, Reddit, RT, State of the Nation, etc., etc., etc…
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Doug S. reply to Orville 7:47 p.m. BRST
Yeah, I read that yesterday. Someone sleazy and fairly skilled is clearly involved, but the alleged Clinton link barely rises to the level of “tenuous.”
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Doug S @ 8:08pm BRST
That’s not how it works. You make claim, you provide evidence.
— That is how the pros do it.
A mechanism called DKIM can show that emails are not doctored. It turns out that Clinton server signed emails with this type of checksums. See http://www.dkim.org
Hillary R. Clinton believe in American Exceptionalism.
Just nobody else’s exceptionalism. Hers and hers alone.
Everybody else is either a deplorable or unaware compliant.
Could she probably be right?
Next, the Clinton scum will claim that Anthony’s wiener leakage (and the classified data on his computer) is being controlled by modern-day Rasputin, Assange.
Well,the idiot respondents at the Times are calling for Comey’s head,so maybe Putin got to Comey.
Hillaryous.
I”t depends upon what the definition of the word ‘Is’ is.”
“Authentic” and “doctored” can be the same thing.
The doctoring is in full swing in the democrat/republican operating room.
As for the title question,
“Why don’t they prove it?,”
They know that they don’t have to prove anything.
That’s the beauty of fascist desperation and manipulation.
I’ve not really checked this out for reliability, but it’s making the rounds on Twitter and reasonable people seem enthusiastic about it: The Top 100 Most Damaging Wikileaks (so far).
(I hadn’t known Obama emailed Hillary using a pseudonym.)
They might as well call this webpage: “Relish in the Sausage Factory!”
http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
Although most of these 100 issues have been raised on other websites, it is good to see them compiled nicely in this single document (Journal). Neat job!
This is journalism, literally!
For every issue, the leaks are referenced directly. Most likely, they are authentic since no one showed that the leaks from Wikileaks were doctored in any way.
The group responsible for this compilation is named The_Donald, a Trump supporting community. This does not mean, Trump is not going to do some (or all) of those things. Governance has become utterly corrupt.
Lookee folks. One of our resident Zionists and a Hillary supporter, Gil G., has no objection to her proposing that the United States should have rigged the Palestinian election.
Nope — Gil has nothing at all to say about that, much less anything negative. All we get from Gil is inapposite yapping about how somebody here has disagreed with Gil about whether a certain otherelection was, in fact, rigged. Which is, yanno, JUST LIKE a presidential candidate saying the United States should rig another people’s election.
That, peeps, is a brain on both Zionism and Hillary. No ability to differentiate between is/ought. And no objections to his candidate for president brazenly advocating the rigging of an election.
indeed.
and she complains about “election influencing from julian assange”
8 years of dumya
8 years of odronya
4 years of omfg
Not about disagreeing with me. Its about touting the actually fixed Syrian elections as fair. Shortly before being outraged by Hillarys statement. I understand that your hypocrisy being exposed for all to see puts you in rabid attack mode but rather than attacking me for what I didnt post you should be defending what you did.
Why don’t they prove Wikileaks is BS?
They don’t need to.
Why? Cuz Hillary is about to be indicted relative to the Benghazi email stuff.
Platte River Networks and Combetta are now swinging like a barrel of monkeys on the tree branches from which Hillary will be hung.
And then there’s the other end of the wacka-doodle spectrum. Benghazi?
No one is gonna be indicted, and certainly not Hillary — CERTAINLY not any time before November 8. The institutions will not let that happen. And on the very remote chance she ever is, it won’t have to do with Benghazi, but rather with violating the federal law about maintaining classified information via-a-vis her private server.
In any event, she’s going to win on November 8.
“No one is gonna be indicted, and certainly not Hillary ”
The FBI just released new email from Wiener/Abedeen PC after looking into the sexting with a young child in bed; aka Anthony Wiener.
Oh.
They found emails on a PC after the investigated Wiener’s kiddie sexts.
So. Perhaps your comprehension is swamped with all the “number” things you get …
omoondelette
they were investigating his phone pics but the email was on her PC. They were looking at it for more kiddie sexts.
At least according to 2 networks; some 10 hours after your incorrect post.
So.
Well,outside of feminazis and deluded alleged liberals,no sane American could vote for HRC,so Monas wrong again,as Donald Trump will be elected POTUS on Nov 8,2016.
Stomp 3 times,spin and shout it Mona!
“why don’t they prove it” Have been saying this since the Dems turned the exposure that the DNC had it in for Sanders and DWS was finally dumped into the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.
All they have to do is release and confirm.
Their whole game has been to turn all relevatnt info into a fear issue
I know, it’s so wrong of me to link to NY Post photos, but I can’t stop myself.
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/161028-clinton-wiener-emails-feature1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=644&h=426&crop=1
Ach, is ok. Sometimes we just have to go for the yucks. I know I was literally cackling at my computer earlier today (and weirding out my housemate) when Bob Shrum tweeted that Glenn is a “criminal agent of Putin conspiracy.”
I went totally batshat with hilarity on Twitter and via email. I’m still cracking up.
Given the rancid situation in which we find ourselves with the approaching election, high doses of humor are entirely appropriate as a mental health measure. Bob Shrum totally did me (and Glenn) a solid today.
I notice GG is very silent lately.
Is the show about to start?
Or A command performance?
How could American sovereignty in an age of zionist control ,obvious and and absolutely terrible for the US citizen and the world,be a rancid election choice?
It amazes me just what some citizens do in rejecting the only possible obvious choice in defeating when they know the feudal and backward zionist movement is the most negative regressive force in our world since the heyday the Inquisition?
Does not compute,unless one is just a nihilist hater of America and themselves.Really.
Well.
At least someone, somewhere is having fun with technology.
GilG makes a good point, suggesting what Hillary’s campaign slogan should be these last 10 days: “Hillary: As Democratic and humanitarian as Bashar Al-Assad.”
If true she should get your buddy Dougs vote.
WTF are you on about? That’s just weird.
Doug doesn’t endorse rigging anyone’s elections, much less proposing the U.S. do it to others. Hillary proposed the United States should impose elections results, and I assure you, Doug would never support the United States doing that.
But, that’ ok for a U.S. Senator and presidential candidate, eh Gil? At least when it’s those dread Palestinians, right?
Bipolar.
LOST: One Democratic Party Primary Process (suspected stolen).
LOST: One Presidential Election – NEW in box (also suspected stolen).
LOST: One Democracy (long broken – of sentimental value only).
LOST: Meaningful engagement by Main$tream Media Outlets.
MISSING: The People of the United States of America
FOUND: Two POTU$ candidates (both heavily soiled, probably fake / repro)
https://twitter.com/codypd/status/792025158575763457
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/792014257328128000
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/792026697717559296
anything else? !?!? Liars, the truth will out, it is out, has been out, let’s roll ;P
Below I I had said that the investigation into Clinton’s email server couldn’t have been reopened because it was never closed. It seems that’s sort of true, depending on what “closed” means. Such investigation apparently are never truly closed if and when new evidence shows up, which is what happened with the Weiner emails.
Anyway, Michael Tracey is a superb journalists and Explainer of Stuff, and he looks at issues pertaining to the hissy fits Hillbots are having over this news, including their outrage at the suggestion that their Queen is under “criminal investigation” : Here’s Exactly How We Know That Hillary Is Under Criminal Investigation
Yup, a model of clarity and succinctness.
Thanks for that link. Clear and concise. Have bookmarked it.
Are we finally at the “depending on what the word ‘is’ is” stage yet?
Hillary endorses rigging elections — for Palestinians
A Jewish activists has released a tape of Clinton’s remarks from 2006:
Fixing elections — we’re the U.S.A., it’s what we have the right to do.
Gawd. Hard to get more blatant than that.
Max Blumenthal says Trump’s son-in-law published this “to reinforce pro-Trump perception that Clinton will rig the American election. There is no concern for Palestinians.”
Geez.
Yes perhaps something akin to the rules Assad and the Baathist put in place during the Syrian elections.
Good catch — Hillary does sound quite a bit like Assad.
Except many of those appalled at HRC for saying it would have been better had a election been rigged, were bending over backward to defend Assad’s actually rigging one. Can you say hypocrisy Mona.
1. Assad is not a U.S. Senator/presidential candidate.
2. Disagreement over whether another country’s election has been “rigged” is not the same as proposing that one’s country should rig the elections of another nation. No ambiguity in what Hillary proposed, Gil — flat out endorsement of rigging.
Gil, you continue to show very poor reasoning skills.
“1. Assad is not a U.S. Senator/presidential candidate.”
So that makes it ok to support him rigging the election ?
2. No ambiguity in what those claiming Asssad was honestly elected said either. Only hypocrisy.
I have always been curious how many elections abroad have been influenced by the US, more generally, any activity that attempts to influence leadership in any given nation.
..we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”
wow. determine? not advocate, not influence, but determine.
and straight from the horze’s mouth.
nice find!
i suspect big H even determined the Hondura’s coup. It could not have been planned without a lot of consultation and all concerned parties being aware and likely actual advance approval from the state dept.
oh Bernie, are you getting this?
PolitiFact has lost all credibility during this election season. They are owned by the Tampa Bay Times, a newspaper that endorsed Clinton way back in February and has been working tirelessly for her campaign.
So, Doug and all, are you guys really sure that email shows the hack originated in Ukraine, and the Clinton camp knew it since March? Anyone have any well-informed reason to reject that Russia would be running a hacking op in that part of Ukraine?
Grasping at straws much? Maybe it was a covert Russian operation originating in San Francisco using commandeered servers in France to hijack computer bandwidth in Ukraine that could be sold to Russian hackers living in Tokyo. That sounds more believable than your conjecture.
Conjecture? I only saw questions in that post, not conjecture.
Well, Doug, you’re another loser with low social capital, so what the hell do you know — and stop lecturing your betters.
Excuse you. Not my “conjecture.” I’m asking a follow-up to this discussion. But I get it, I do. You extend no charitable reading to we “bucket of losers” who have “low social capital.”
Hillary told Goldman Sachs that’s who we are here, and most Hillbots sure do act as if they believe it as well.
“Hillary told Goldman Sachs that’s who we are here, and most Hillbots sure do act as if they believe it as well.”
Not so fast. Check out this article.
or living in the US on Capitol Hill.
She is giving us the full monty today.
Disgusting propagandist.
Assad is like HRC.A low blow.
The zionists who torture the Palestinians daily are the same zionists who torture the Syrians,the Ukrainians,the Somalians,the Europeans,Libyans etc etc etc. and US.
One can’t be against one thing there and support the same thing somewhere else,or one is a hypocrite,or just using the former as a badge of honor hair shirt as camouflage.
No, not sure. The GMail message indicates that at least the notified attempt was blocked (which would be normal when a login is attempted from a location thousands of miles from, say, a user’s previous location 45 minutes earlier).
What is clear is that the mailbox security was compromised and that the campaign knew about it in March. We don’t know how widely the password may have been shared, but typically it would have been passed among a group of widely-dispersed individuals. And we don’t know, at least yet, how quickly and securely the vulnerability was eliminated, if it was.
Russia may well have been running a hacking operation there, but the likely targets would have been functionaries of the Poroshenko regime.
If the targets were US political bigwigs, Russia is more than bright enough and capable enough to run such an operation from locations near major Internet hubs in the West, not from Dnipropetrovsk, where service is comparatively slow and crappy — and IP addresses would be instantly suspect to anyone whose interest was aroused.
Thanks, Doug. I know a lot about a number of things, but tech stuff like that ain’t one of them. Ukraine strikes me as a damned peculiar place for Russia to run an important hack on a Western party, but the Library of Congress could be filled with what I do not know about this kind of stuff.
WE DON,’T CARE ABOUT LIES !!!
I’m not surprised by this; can only add: So much for Politi..Fact? af
Emails are impossible to modify because of the cryptographic hashing that occur in the email header. If even one character of the email is changed, this would change the email header information. This was invented so that when you send an email to someone, it cannot be intercepted and changed by a third party before reaching its destination. Anyone with basic computer science understanding can verify the header with the public keys available from the email server. You can follow this process to verify all the emails released so far (wikileaks, etc.) have been authentic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
Can everyone say ‘October Surprise’….
… and then vote Stein/Baraka!
The Clinton campaign staff and Kaine, are like little children who don’t realize we can see through their lies using common sense. All they need to do is produce the “original” email. Why are reporters interviewing these liers not asking them for proof? Great article.
Clinton is MSM Teflon. Trump is MSM Tar Baby. It’s so right in your face corrupt but hey; most of the workers believe in some version of the “invisible man in the sky” so I guess PT was right about suckers.
Well well, Putin Truthers, it turns out the hack did not originate in Russia. What’s more, the President knows it, the Clinton campaign knows it and Clapper knows it, and they’ve known it since at least last March. Well knock me over with a feather.
In the words of J.J. Cale….Lies lies lies
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899
The IP address is in Dnipropetrovsk, in south-central Ukraine.
For the curious, Dnipropetrovsk, in the wake of the 2014 coup, largely supported Petro Poroshenko, the candy oligarch who serves as president in the NATO puppet government.
The municipal government is dominated by UKROP (Ukrainian Association of Patriots), founded after the Euromaidan overthrow of the elected government and comprised of such charming folks as members of the “territorial defense battalions” — many of them bona fide, no bullshit, real live Nazis.
Not a hotbed of “putinbots.”
Doubly delicious! This could bring Clinton down AND Poroschenko too! (Of course, we’d be stuck with Trump, which would be bad in many ways, and Ukraine might get the Banderists in- which certainly guarantees war.)
with Poland ?-)
Ha.
The Banderists are full-on, batshit crazy, bull-goose loonies. They are perfectly capable of declaring war on Russia and Poland simultaneously. ;^(
A side note. We know Clinton has a lot of support in the State Department- so much so that their broadcasting arm attacked Trump and attacked Sanders.
https://shadowproof.com/2016/06/16/us-state-media-runs-hit-piece-on-bernie-sanders/
Meanwhile, the DoJ is looking into Clinton’s activities.
It reminds me of a female politician from Dnipropetrovsk named Yulia Tymoschenko. The State department considered her to be a political prisoner. The DoJ, on the other hand, considered her an unindicted co-conspirator in a fraud case.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/82883652/UNITED-STATES-OF-AMERICA-vs-PAVEL-LAZARENKO
Give it a rest propagandist.You zionists are so transparently untruthful,you must have Q tip stock.
I’m thinking Del Shannon;”Gotta keep searchin,searchin,gonna find a way”
Just give us some truth man,Trump!
Clinton’s own Nazis hacked her emails…?
perhaps $5 billion and cookies wasn’t sufficient
this is more than delightful
One extremely revealing thing about this comment thread is that it is substantially composed of people who think that one or more of the following things are true (they’re not, ask Mr. Jilani or Mr. Greenwald)
1. Mrs. Clinton’s private emails were hacked and made available on wikileaks.
2. The emails which were hacked, were part of the public record and part of Government business.
Facts:
1. Mr. Podesta’s gmail.com account was hacked. It is those emails which were released to wikileaks. And it is those emails which wikileaks is publishing indiscriminately, without any curation (unlike Mr. Greenwald’s careful work with the material Mr. Snowden provided).
2. This has nothing to do with US Government business. It is a private account. The Clinton campaign is a private entity!
Awww, your “concern” as been duly noted, concernedobserver.
It’s also against the law to reveal anyone’s tax returns without their authorization. My spouse volunteers for AARP doing tax returns gratis and he would never reveal any info about anyone’s taxes or income.
And yet, I note that you don’t seem upset with the unauthorized release of Trump’s tax info, only with the Clinton emails. Now why is that I wonder?
I’m not upset about the release of Mr. Podesta’s emails either. As I’ve said before, any news organisation should write stories based on material which they receive even if that information was stolen, as long as they did not steal it.
The question here is different. The question here is, now that the emails have been stolen and made public, should Mr. Podesta publish his private emails himself as part of refuting the authenticity of wikileaks emails (if in fact those emails are not authentic).
I wish you would read a little bit more carefully.
You’re wrong. Most people here, seem to think that the Wiener wagon has spelled ultimate proof of something that not even the Director of the FBI can contemplate!
the operations of the USG of by and for the people is the property of the people and OWNED by the people. It’s all the people’s business.
you got a problem with that?
The so-called gov of by and for would spy on everyone, rendition citizens without due process, torture them and murder them with impunity.
you dont have a problem with that?
This has nothing to do with the operations of the US Government. Nothing whatsoever.
Public interest is not limited to government-sanctioned communications. It is determined by whether the content of the communication is in the public interest. If the communication is among people who have the influence and power to effect public policy, it is in the public interest to know about it.
“Public interest is a common concern among citizens in the management and affairs of local, state, and national government. It does not mean mere curiosity but is a broad term that refers to the body politic and the public weal. A public utility is regulated in the public interest because private individuals rely on such a company for vital services.”
This is why communication of intentions to act between Democratic satraps is in the public interest and communication about the private sex lives of individual persons are not. In other words, it is the difference between information published by Glenn Greenwald, on the one hand, and Gawker, on the other.
Everyone here is aware that John Podesta and the Clinton campaign are not government entities. However, his emails concerns a matter of great public interest. Thus, many or most of them are properly published.
Podesta is a public figure, and such individuals are treated far differently at law, in terms of defamation and other matters, for a good reason. What they say, and to whom they say it, is so often a matter of public interest. You know, kind of like Donald Trump’s tax returns.
You are welcome.
Sincerely,
One whom Hillary identifies to Goldman Sachs as in a “bucket of losers” and having “low social capital”
They’re not like Donald Trump’s tax returns at all.
1. Podesta is not a candidate.
2. Tax returns have been released by all candidates for nearly half a century.
3. Emails are not tax returns!
It seems completely obvious that the Russians are running 15 year old little girls in order to entrap perverted American politicians so their emails will be outed in secondary investigations, compromising the principle stunningly corrupt candidate in a major election. What is not well known is that the operation is being run from an asteroid behind the moon, orbiting with a specified period that precludes it ever being seen from earth, bouncing signals down to Ukraine. Those devious Russians…
The Podesta emails have established that the POTUS Barack Obama lied that he did not know about Hillary’s private email server.
Now is the release of this information not in the public interest?
There are a lot of things about the “private email server” which you are leaving out. Such as the fact that it has not been an unusual practice among politicians.
Further, I don’t object to the Podesta emails being published. I object to the expectation that Podesta himself should publish them! Can you really not see the difference between these two things? The first happens without his consent (thanks to hacking + wikileaks) the latter is an expectation that he should reveal private emails himself!
you lost.
democracy, common shared ownership of resources and power are not your strong suit.
but you could get a great job working for any dictator.
Err… no, actually, its your position which is the dictatorial one. You seem to accept no limits to the invasion of privacy.
I’m not on twitter. By any chance has the hashtag #LeakyWeiner been launched yet?
Not launched, but certainly spewed.
news flash
Hellary’s privitised f…b…i… found another messaging source
Huma and Anthony’s shared phone.
Hellary refuses to discuss it.
Podesta bashes his f…b…i…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3883334/FBI-says-reopening-case-Clintons-emails-coming-new-messages-appear-pertinent.html
At what point does plausible deniability no longer work with the Clinton camp?
Regarding the latest Weiner-Gate: Huma may, unwittingly be Brutus to Hillary’s Caesar.
“I love the name of honor, more than I fear death.” – JC/HA
The sanctimony! Good grief! Read this and then bring your garment rending purity forward for all to see! http://classical-inquiries.chs.harvard.edu/the-last-words-of-socrates-at-the-place-where-he-died/
Methinks you mustn’t forget to sacrifice a rooster to Asklepios.
Finally. A reader! To your point. Shouldn’t we all?
Perhaps. As for Huma; she’s already sacrificed one Weiner. Perhaps it isn’t the right one?
“In serving the wicked, expect no reward, and be thankful if you escape injury for your pains.” – The Wolf and the Crane
Most Damaging Wikileaks :
http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
Nice. When the check doesn’t clear, try this one. I think they pay. https://www.upwork.com/job/Powerpoint-Slides-Needed-Colors-Font-Decided-Need-design-work-visualizing-current-content_~01b79bce3a1a6f1dc5/
The check will clear don’t you worry the sewers going to get fully disinfected, one way or another, whatever it takes.
Ah, the best laid plans…
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@kurteichenwald
Details of FBI: They found 3 emails that “might” be relevant to the case. None of them were withheld by Clinton.
Uh, WaPo has a source saying “numerous” emails. It’s one thing to be biased towards Clinton, but Eichenwald’s totally in the tank for her.
“It’s one thing to be biased towards Clinton,” But it’s always easier to sniff her underwear drawer for what any right thinking human must know is there! Right?
Correct the Records bots are working at full throttle now that the election is upon us. Rack up that overtime, bitch.
The first line of defence of an anti-freedom-of-speech advocator is to lie.
The second line of defence of an anti-freedom-of-speech advocator is to deny the evidence.
The third line of defence of an anti-freedom-of-speech advocator is to threaten the truth.
The fourth line of defence of an anti-freedom-of-speech advocator is to make something illegal to prevent the truth from being revealed.
Hellary opposes BDS and will – if elected – go all insulted and paranoid and make moves to restrict the INALIENABLE RIGHT being the 2-faced betrayer she is.
Excellent comment. Thank you!
The establishment has decided Clinton will be president. They will cheat to make this so, if they have to.
No new revelations by the FBI or anything else will stop the coronation of Queen Hillary.
The race is not ‘close.’ The race is rigged. Clinton will be president, ushering in more war and of course an increasingly polluted world from which it simply will not be able to recover.
Even if 3rd parties are (by getting over 5% of the vote) allowed by the system to gain Federal funding (doubtful) the fact is that we can’t afford even one more year of American present-level fossil fuel extraction (no, fracking doesn’t help), and barring any miraculous technologies (our only hope) a Clinton presidency will effectively doom the planet. Repeat: doom the planet. Trump’s supposed ‘anti-establishmentarianism’ is useless since it is not just the admittedly appealing stance of peace with Russia, it’s also about unleashing Big Energy even more than Democrats, expanding the military, cutting taxes and deregulating like a nutcase – plus he can not win against a cheating system anyway.
Nothing will stop a Clinton win, for the establishment is insane but very powerful and determined. We are fucked. And the Democrats don’t care if cheating is involved, or if their candidate is utterly corrupt and a mortal danger to us all; they all live apparently in a nice bubble of “the status quo isn’t so bad,” when over half the nation is in poverty and cities are crumbling beneath greenhouse-gassed skies.
I feel I’ve commented here sufficiently about the issues, and feel now there’s no point – I’m just encouraging the false idea that we have time to discuss all these things from our separate confirmation biases when we simply don’t. Having begun to despise the Intercept for being not activist enough, it’s annoying just to read it nowadays, and I also run the risk of upsetting its defenders who mean well and don’t deserve my vitriol. So, peace out.
Maisie G
Your support for a sexual predator obviously makes you one stupid person. The Republican party is racist, and I guess so are you. The republican party has done all it can to stop a black president from making some things better by blocking in the senate and house and so it is time the republican party got the boot to the curb so shit can be done around here. Ps – Using a email is not illegal, never has been, never will be. Earning money as a civilian is not illegal, never has been, never will be.
Hey Ed,the whole rethug party apparatus hates Trump.
What is it that drives you knuckleheads?
Lie lovers?
Trump is a lifelong political moderate who is an American patriot,something we haven’t had in decades.
Trump 2016.
understood.
the last man standing rule is,
you never lose until you quit.
This isn’t the venue for the kind and level of activism you crave, and the world desperately needs, Maisie. For the most part, participants here, both above the line and below, are unaware or disbelieving of the real state of humanity in the biosphere and the almost-inevitable catastrophes that await us in the not-too-distant future. Or they simply aren’t that interested.
This is a place to have serious and semi-serious discussions about matters that are, at best, tangential to the most pressing and fundamental issues. The outcomes, if there actually were any, would amount to clever deck-chair rearrangement, but the discussion can be an engaging and sometimes entertaining pastime.
That’s just how it is, here and almost every-virtual-where else. Irrational optimism is a powerful human trait. For most of our development as a species, it was adaptive. Now that we have achieved levels of population, technology and consumption that permit us to threaten the very environment we depend upon for life, that irrational optimism drives us to do just that.
What served us so well, for so long, has become maladaptive in the most dangerous possible way.
Take off your hard hat, the sky isn’t falling. Humans learn and innovate. And they’re doing it faster and better than ever.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Non sequitur.
I’m recommending Jimmy Dore to you. He really doesn’t fuck around, and he’s quite entertaining even when he is being dead level serious.
One of his videos is at the link. In this one he tells about a friend of his who was speaking at a college in Missouri. When his friend told those in attendance that he would be voting for Jill Stein…the room full college student people applauded.
Jimmy Dore’s point is that the group-think and the “Manufacturing Consent” is bull shit. There are people, such as yourself, who are totally onto the scheme that has for long been actively, destructively in the works. We have to know that, and we have to act on it. Which means that we can’t be a bunch of fucking cowards and blowhards.
There used to be a frequent commenter here in the very early days of The Intercept who you very much remind me of in regards to her writings and her angles of thought. Her name was Cindy. That’s probably still her name, lol, but now she’s Cindy Elsewhere for, as stated by her back then, miuch the same reasons that you are thinking of becoming Maisie Elsewhere. If you do become Maisie Elsewhere you will be missed, that’s for certain, but also you will be understood.
Jill Stein Cheered in One of the Most Unlikely Places — Jimmy Dore
Yet, much evidence is being brought forth, that the “dating service” accusing Julian Assange of “pedophelia,” is actually connected with Larry Summers, Podesta’s center for american progress and Neera Tandem; further connecting the dots to Clinton.
Citations?
(frito blocker then produces some parking tickets)
Are you Doug Salzmann’s TPP?
Here is some nice background:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article110904727.html
Yeah, I read that yesterday. Someone sleazy and fairly skilled is clearly involved, but the alleged Clinton link barely rises to the level of “tenuous.”
Not that I think the Clinton Crime Family wouldn’t do such a thing, mind you. I’d just have to see much more persuasive evidence to conclude that they did.
True. For all we know, this could be some independent operation to go after Assange. It could be from neocons. It could be from the Chindits.
Canadafreepress, Reddit, RT, State of the Nation, etc., etc., etc. google it!
That’s not how it works. You make claim, you provide evidence.
I didn’t realize you’re the comment police. I have thoughts, make a comment, if it’s not to your liking, move on! That’s how it works!
There appear to be a number of things you don’t realize. I’m betting that you will be the one to be “moving along.”
So, what you’re saying is only certain people are allowed to comment here? And if someone makes a comment not to your liking, you threaten them?
He’s so manly, isn’t he?
Cool name:)
*you have a cool name:)
Glenn Greenwald is a a “criminal agent of Putin conspiracy.”
LOLOLOLOLOLOL This is Bob Shrum — a Democratic campaign manager who has lost eight campaigns — about Glenn who is tweetintg about the Comey announcement re: the Weiner emails:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOLOLOLOL
I love this shit so, so much. As Glenn said, Shrum sounds like the love child of Joe McCarthy and Hoover.
He also looks like their love child.
A face made for rightwing radio.
This election is revealing that much of what we believed to be nonsense, is in fact true. In retrospect it is obvious. Mr. Greenwald lives in Brazil, the first member of the BRIC’s mafia, while Mr. Putin lives in Russia, the second member. So it is surprising it took this long for people to figure out the connection. Mr. Shrum may be a loser, but he is no dummy.
From the brief NY Times piece:
Emphasis added.
Ah, the irony–Hillary being destroyed by dick pix. And those belonging to a guy named Weiner. This isn’t Greek tragedy–it’s Greek farce.
Meh, Hillary is still gonna win. Comey is, first and foremost, covering the ass of James Comey. There’s just no way he could stay quiet about this, especially if there’s anything in these emails that are going to require DoJ action.
The media is not going to push this story, because it is overwhelmingly horrified by the prospect of POTUS Trump. Neither this matter, nor any other, will be allowed to prevent her coronation.
But it’s fun to annoy the Hillbots with it.
Altho, in all seriousness, if post-election she “needs” to distract from this it increases the likelihood of her taking us to war with Russia. That’s not remotely fun or funny.
Well, it’s certainly the weirdest election ever. And the most entertaining. And the scariest.
Carl Bernstein weighs in on the latest Weiner/Hillary email bit o’ news:
Bernstein: FBI Would Not Reopen Case Unless New Evidence Was “A Real Bombshell”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/28/bernstein_fbi_would_not_reopen_case_unless_new_evidence_was_a_real_bombshell.html
As many are pointing out, the case hasn’t been “reopened”; it was never closed. I do agree, however, that something is in those emails that required Comey to cover his ass by alerting Congress.
I think he is likely required to inform Congress of the development, but the FBI director has plenty of leeway
wrt when he does that.
And just the other day Woodward stated “the Clinton Foundation is corrupt, it’s a scandal”.
Ironic that the campaign has recently been attempting to spin Wikileaks docs as the “Watergate break-in” 2.0 for whatever reason.
So does this mean there’s going to be a Weiner II (coming to a theater near you)?
Pun intended
Just before I lapse into a smokey peaty fog…
“Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was taking steps to “determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.” He said he did not know how long it would take to review the emails, or whether the new information was significant.”
I know this “Weinergate” is too delicious, and I admit to a spit take, but what is here? What is this? At least with Trump we got some good old fashioned misogyny In flagrante delicto! With this it’s just rotten Weiners.
Dunno, but whatever it is it has caused the FBI director to feel compelled to make an announcement that he had to know would be a news cycle bombshell (at least) 11 days before the election. So it’s significant enough for him to take the risks associated with that rather than the risks associated with waiting.
This has been the weirdest election. Comey is definitely setting himself up for trouble if he doesn’t back this up before Nov 8 and Clinton pulls it off with the senate. But hey, Republicans; can’t live with ’em, and they won’t let you live without ’em! Back to a wee dram!
“I know this “Weinergate” is too delicious, ”
Sounds like Vienna sausages are involved …
You couldn’t make it up:
Huma’s State Dept. correspondence sharing storage space with Anthony’s genital selfies?
Perfect. Just perfect.
Hard Disk? Flash Drive? Inquiring minds…
http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/10/yes-we-can-validate-wikileaks-emails.html#.WBOtJS0rKUn
Validate data with DKIM :)
HAHAHA, the new emails that caused the Putin-controlled FBI to continue investigating the Clinton email/server scandal, were discovered from the phone in the latest Anthony Weiner sexting thing. Anthony Weiner –or at least parts of him — is a Russian agent!!!!!
Damn. Beat me by three minutes. ;^)
The Pythons must have written this sketch.
I wonder how SNL will play all this on Saturday night?
It would be FUNNY if they showed a skit with “Carlos Danger” on his computer reading classified emails between Huma and Hillary and Huma catching him.
Have the Weiner character sitting in front of the computer in his underwear with his mouth wide open and the Huma character comes in and says, “Oh my God! You’re not at it again are you?!”
And he says, “No! I’m reading your classified emails with Hillary! This stuff is so scandalous it’s turning me on!!”
The TRUTH is funny.
But I’ll betcha SNL will play it all against Trump and won’t dig Her Royal Highness once.
A little “balance” in their political skewering might bring them a larger audience.
Anthony and Human hafta be plotting with Boris and Natahsa. LOL
“Human”
LOL I need to settle down, I’m laughing a lot. I, of course, meant “Huma. ” (Who’s finally divorcing the schmuck.)
Zionist group think.
All other Americans know Weiner is a zionist agent.Maybe that’s the link?He shared classified info with them in revenge for being kicked out of American politics?Never know.
Speculation.
“He shared classified info”
As a matter of course he has a higher priority than this country. That is why he was allowed into the circle in the first place.
How can anyone still support or plan to vote for Crooked Hillary? If she was registered as a republican she would have been driven out of public life months if not years ago, but somehow she sticks around and somehow some people actually like her. I just don’t get it. But if she does end up in the White House again she’ll be the most hated President in history and will most likely be a one-term loser, so things will get better in 2020. Let’s just hope that she doesn’t start too many wars before then.
So the FBI Director has decided to re-open investigation based on emails that so far can’t be attributed to Clinton and additionally can’t be confirmed to contain classified information. Ok then. All you critical thinkers will now put on your journalist hats and you tell me. Who did they get this from? What is in it? When was it composed, received, forwarded? Where did it originate and what is the “chain of custody”? Why is it pertinent to the closed investigation? Why now?
Critical thinking can’t answer those questions.
Ask Director Comey.
Critical thinking should lead to relevant questions.
They’re reopening the investigation involving her use of a private server, that’s the only known investigation, not DNC hack or Podesta email hack.
Actually they do not have to “re-open” the investigation. It was never formally “closed”:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html
DNC very well may have been a leak and not a hack. Seth Rich died not long after.
Anthony Weiner. LOLOLOLOL. No, I’m not kidding — I posted about it above with a link to NYT.
Putin sent them it of course – its all lies, created to damage the US political system. The emails are fakes,all forged its all a KGB conspiracy. Yeah right.
Yes, the under-age girl must surely be one of Putin’s secretly embedded agents, now activated to undermine Hillary with forbidden sexting shared with Weiner. No doubt she’ll crush a cyanide tablet between her teeth when she’s finished her dirty work for the Russians.
You really can’t make this stuff up. The Clinton Family corrupts everything it touches, which at this point would appear to be just about every past or present serving Democrat willing to offer risible defenses for plainly corrupt practices.
They are now so brightly painted as her stooges and cronies that even MSNBC no longer pretends to believe them.
Trump, lawmakers weigh in on FBI’s decision to reopen Clinton case
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/28/trump-lawmakers-weigh-in-on-fbis-decision-to-reopen-clinton-case.html
Well, ya know, even a Reince Priebus is right once every 24 years, or so.
“Innocent until proven guilty” ring a bell?
Burden of proof is not on the accused.
“Innocent until proven guilty”
How quaint.
That’s Hillaryous.I guess OBL,Saddam and Col K might have the same feelings,if they all weren’t snuffed to shut them up.
Shillary was shocked,I repeat shocked, at it all,and exclaimed,we came we saw he died, for all 3.2 weren’t caught on tape,though.
An evil person.
.
You seem to have taken a wrong turn. This is Politics. The courthouse is that >>> way.
“This is Politics.” I don’t think you can really say that with certainty, but it does smell like it. I’m baffled why Comey would make the most opaque statement I’ve ever heard from senior law enforcement. He could have said “we’re re-opening investigations for reasons that are to be determined” and made more sense. He’s supposed to be a cop, and he’s supposed to know where the courthouse is and that’s where he should always be headed with any investigation.
Let the public decide now Wikileaks has presented the evidence.
I remember those days. Good times.
The whole situation, along with the way the Clinton operatives frame the email situation, is Orwellian. Unfortunately, most people get their information from MSM and swallow the narrative hook, line and sinker.
They will most probably try to attack the integrity of the FBI Director next, maybe suggesting that the FBI has been infiltrated by Putin’s KGB. Maybe Russian mind control weapons of mind destruction have been used in this dirty Russian plot to interfere with the US political system.Maybe they will even roll out Clapper again to tell a few more lies, or perhaps engineer a military offensive tomorrow to try to divert attention away from the email investigation.
Your one hundred percent right the Clinton operatives framing of the email situation is Orwellian, and it insults the intelligence of the American public.
Putin runs the FBI, with help from Julian Assange!!!!
We can be sure of this, because 11 days before the coronat– er, election, this happened: FBI reviewing new emails in Clinton classified information probe
Kurt Eichenwald and Newsweek must get on this, stat! Comey is a Russkie!
Best sleeper agent ever!
Not as photogenic as Anna Chapman, of course, but what a coup to have placed him in Yonkers as a newborn and shepherded him all the way to Big Fibbie before activating him!
Don’t mess with Moscow.
It will be interesting to see if the FBI lets Mrs. Clinton take the oath of office, before leading her away in handcuffs.
Hopefully voters will ensure the Democrats control at least two thirds of the Senate to prevent her immediate impeachment. It will still be challenge to run the country from a federal prison cell. I imagine they would let her out on weekends to conduct meetings with foreign heads of state.
If she’s elected, I believe she has immunity from prosecution until she leaves office. That should be long enough to stitch up some kind of “arrangement” so she goes scot free.
Question: could a President Clinton pardon herself just before she leaves office?
The burden of proof is on the accuser, in this case, Wikileaks. They are the ones casting accusations.
Wikileaks is releasing documents. It’s the Clinton campaign’s documents themselves that are doing all the accusing, I’m afraid.
DKIM makes it nearly impossible for the emails to have been doctored. Any alterations,even adding one letter or space, would create a hash mismatch.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/58v1if/dkim_verification_on_emails_response_to_something/
So, is this article about the story of the leaked emails the type of thing we are going to get instead of reporting on the most recently released batch of emails?
Was there nothing to report in them?
A couple of links to WashPo stories is kind of weak in my opinion.
Well, there’s the fact that one of today’s releases proves that the phishing attack did not originate in Russia as the ruling party has repeatedly assured us.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899
The perpetually popular Shaggy Defense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv5fqunQ_4I
EEEEEEEMAILS!!!!
Guess what, no one cares about the PutinLeaks. K?
All right! You win!!! You did it, finally, Trump is our new president. Yup. Time for all the people at the Intercept to rejoice! Indeed, with the stolen emails supplied to the FBI, and even though they will turn out to be meaningless, two weeks before the election, Mr. James Comey, with the assistance of sexual predator Julian Assange and journalist killer Vlad Putin will elevate the most dangerous man to ever, ever walk this planet once he’s got his fingers on that nuclear button. Yeah! Great. All of the Muslims and African Americans are going to thank the great Julian Assange, Putin and the Intercept for the fine, fine work they’ve done to bring “transparency” to government.
Glenn and company should definitely pat themselves on the back. Nothing but the best. Yeah!!!!!
Enjoy this :
Hillary Clinton email probe reopens
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37805525
And as surely as gonorrhea shows up on a shooting gallery whore, here comes the Revise the Record paid hack.
When Hillary bombs all the brown people in Syria, Iran and the rest of the Middle East, they’ll be shouting — with big smiles — : “Look, mama, we’re being bombed by the First Woman President, and we sure showed Julian Assange and Putin!11!!!1!!!11?
USA! Hillary! USA! Hillary! USA! Hillary!
BOMBS AWAY…..
You’re going to be very upset when your trust fund blows up. And eventually, your grandchildren will do what Frank Underwood did to his father’s grave once you’re six feet under.
“Look, Ahmed!”
Clearly you could benefit the most from reading articles at The Intercept, this stuff is complicated, just keep pushing forward, and you’ll be thinking for yourself some day.
Oh now, Jimmy doesn’t read articles, he comments on them.
You’re competing for The Gold Star Worst at writing BS–both structurally and thematically–and doing extremely well at achieving that goal. It’s almost impossible to tell that you are actually trying for the opposite goal.
Probably your weakest tool is your achingly awful sense of what you seem to believe is humor; truly, truly horrible. You’d do yourself a favor by giving up on employing that tool for your diatribes of political adoration of, and your imaginary love affair with, Hillary Clinton.
He literally cannot abandon the talking points Revise the Record gives all of their paid hacks. The “trust fund” thing always, but always, shows up, no matter how inappropriate or stoopid. They’d say that to a homeless person if s/he criticized The Queen.
I really wish I’d bookmarked it. “Jimmy” posted the most fucking hilarious, over-the-top paean to the Clintons, especially Bill, you could ever read. I reposted it a few times it was so goddam awesome. Bill’s mommy couldn’t write anything more preposterously hagiographic. But damn, I don’t think I saved it.
Your right Jimmy, Hillary is finished now, but its not The Intercept or Julian Assange’s fault – they have reported impartially, and only revealed the facts. Hillary and the Democrats can only blame themselves for their corruption,greed and criminality.
The most dangerous of the two candidates is Hillary since she is a whore to Wall Street and the elite, and she will expand the wars of profit for their further financial gains. She is a war pig, and an Imperialist, and her dangerous, aggressive and you need to understand that her anti Russian foreign policy could easily take the US to a nuclear war. Hillary would only continue the US military policy of trying to break down the national boundaries of other countries to the hegemony of US capitalism.The US wants to have total control of the World economy, and access to cheap labour, whilst stealing resources, and also using so called free trade pacts, and technology to abuse over nations.
Trump is by no means perfect, but he does represent the only hope that Americans have, and he is far less dangerous than Hilllary. The real problem in the US is that the Government has become a criminal enterprise, and is over corporatised. The Government is now a merged industrial military complex which has fused with intelligence agencies, misusing pervasive technology to oppress. The US Government now only serves the agenda of a few very powerful elite people, and these selfish, and greedy, people have grown hundreds of times richer while the average American, who has become much poorer. This election is about change, and its about the ordinary American being heard again. Its very similar to Brexit, where the British people spat back in the eyes of the elite. You cant blame The Intercept when Trump becomes President, blame the elite, for their greed, for corrupting and polluting the political system,and for their betrayal of the ordinary American.
Jimmy jimmy bo bimi bananafanna fo fimi,fi fi mo mimi,Jimmy.
See,you inspire me!
I really don’t know where to start, I think I’m more shocked that Hillarys campaign staff are using email services and communications that are less than secure to say the least, when communicating about DNC hack damage and the private server use, the irony is too much! These people want to represent the US at the highest level? Between Trump verbalizing every thought that goes through his skull and Clintons horrid communications security I see one positive in their possible administrations, transparency.
It’s hard not to sense the glee with which sanctimonious Clinton-haters love the delicious privilege of getting to violate her campaign’s privacy due to the illegal theft of the DNC/Podesta emails. The wonderfulness of it all seems to overwhelm any troubling questions about the unfairness and one-sidedness of this intrusion, or raise any suspicions about why Wikileaks is so obviously playing politics with the emails–timing their release to maximize any damage they cause to the campaign. Whatever this is, it’s not exactly journalism, it seems. Just like the Trump campaign invited Bill Clinton’s accusers to one of the debates, it’s almost as if Wikileaks’ main objective is to try to humiliate Clinton, just for its own sake if nothing else.
Since Wikileaks is inarguably aiding the Trump campaign and also their ally Vladimir Putin, I wonder if Clinton’s critics suppose that if we were to have a similar window into Trump’s or Putin’s private communications, Clinton might come out looking a lot better by comparison. I think it’s a good bet that that would be the case. For that matter, just in the interests of fairness, I wonder if Jilani or Glenn Greenwald or The Intercept would make all of their own emails public so the readers can rifle through them and judge for themselves if they’re living up to the same sort of transparency and accountability that they demand from Hillary Clinton?
“[S]anctimonious Clinton-haters”? What about neo-liberal war monger colonialist Clinton supporters?
I’ve been waiting for the penny to drop for someone on this and here we are. Next article I’d like to see on the Intercept is one that tackles the propaganda surrounding Russian involvement as perpetuated by the Clinton campaign.
I mean they continue to reference intelligence services having stated it is likely Russia is behind the leaks but this is utter shite! It isn’t as if the intelligence services have a record of deceiving the public right? We’re suppose to take their word at face value on this? Bullshit! We have enough data to determine intelligence services aren’t trustworthy. Why are we entertaining this notion that they somehow have conclusive evidence by continuing to not say anything about this?
The way to resolve this is through a third party, independent digital forensics report. Once I see that then we can have the conversation about Russian involvement. Until such time I call bullshit propaganda.
Dems continue to reference Russia bc ESnowden is there. Trying to create a link.
They have been planting this Russia seed for a couple years now, Syria, hacks, south China sea, Ukraine, they are selling us on more war. It’s the buildup.
In this hacking world, at a time when the country is threatened by a fascist dictatorship, to respond in any other way is suicide, not just for the candidate, but for the country.
The timeliness of the email releases is an act of espionage to bring sedition against a leading country in the world. It is ridiculous to expect to respond on a leak during an election. There has so far been no great October surprise in any of the emails so far. It’s American politics business as usual and if we had a boatload of emails from any leaders in the opposing party, their email revelations would be similar.
We are accustomed to surmising that pay to play exists in our government and that it is not a crime. The only crime is going a little too far and offering a lucrative seat on the senate for money. I guess that’s going too far for some, but it is usually based on partisan politics.
Then why do they respond every time they are asked about it by lying and making shit up? I don’t know if you don’t understand the definition of ‘Respond’ but their lies are, by definition, a response. It’s just that their response is laughably and transparently dishonest.
Exactly, it’ll never happen though. I would like to have a third party audit nearly everything in USG.
If you haven’t figured out that this election is a fixed, slam dunk, and rigged, for HRC, you may be blind, deaf, and dumb. The emails prove that she has nothing but disdain for the common man, she dislikes Blacks, she doesn’t like Catholics, and she really doesn’t like Bernie. Hillary made some kind of deal with the devil and she will be crowned. This is just another lie that the Clinton compaign is running. I notice they never even commented on the Creamer and Folar story of creating a riot at the Trump Chicago event at the direction of the Clinton Campaign. She is evil. I’m voting for the honest, non war monger, Green Party candidate. Go Jill Stein!
What is Jill Stein’s policy on intergalactic warfare or peace?
I believe she’s only in favor of nuking planets that don’t support photosynthesizing plant life.
Just to drone you presonally
“never even commented on the Creamer and Folar story of creating a riot”
The democrats were the ones starting the trouble at ALL of the Trump rallies where trouble occurred. Those people went into those rallies with the express intent to disrupt them and to cause trouble, and they were very successful. And each time they had to wait in line for hours and then wait inside the venue for hours, so none of these were spontaneous or out of the blue. The were all planned.
As I say all the time;Who da nazis?
Illiberals.
This election will decide Earth’s fate. The choice between Trump and Clinton equals the difference between malevolent celestials in our own solar system and their restraint by those from the nonviolent contiguous universe.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/27026
Clintonemail.com to alk to criminals.
PresObama HAD to know when you opened the Contact Directory and looked for a namw.
Hmm………dare to wonder if Zaid ever stops to ask himself how fast he could find out who is the server administrator for the Podesta email account..? Does Zaid not stop to think that if he were a NSA rookie that he would most certainly make sure that all of Podesta’s email was harvested. Geez…is Gordon Gecko smarter than Zaid..? Wonder if Gordon Gecko would know how to use a FOI request at the NSA to verify a Wikileaks email..?
What kind of circus is the Intercept running…?
Apparently the sort of circus that attracts the oddest of readers, thats for sure.
john.podesta@gmail.com
Last I checked gmail.com was not subject to FOIR. Maybe you should take 2 seconds to look before you criticize and look well…..
That’s not how a FOIA request works with the NSA.
You are a fucking moron. Made all the more impressive in your imbecility in that you question whether Zaid is smart, and imply that this site is a “circus.” The reason you manifest as a moron need not be explained because all the non-morons already get it.
(“Ed Snowden, why didn’t you just FOIA the NSA!!111!!11!”)
Folks there are ways this can be validated…….
nakedcapitalism
http://blog.erratasec.com
erratasec
Suppose Hillary has a campaign staffer tell the press that the emails are genuine. Then if any one of the emails is deemed classified, she has *confirmed* that the leak of classified information is true, which is itself a separate count of leaking classified information, and so Hillary is going to jail even longer, if Donald Trump ever has a say in it.
If Hillary says nothing about the authenticity, but reacts to them in some way, she might be accused of effectively authenticating them, with similar consequences.
The prudent attitude therefore is to say that they are fake, and not explain it. It’s a white lie, everyone knows it’s a white lie, but they can’t put her in jail for saying that a leaked classified document is really not genuine at all.
These are not Hillary’s emails they are the emails of her staffers. She can not be charged for classified information if these are not her emails.
The prudent attitude is to have your minions say that they are fake. That way you can’t be personally accused of perjury.
The emails are authentic – all the verbiage by Dems is meant to create doubt in feeble minds.
Most expect corruption (with lower case “c”) in politics, the problem with these emails is that they are exposing corruption with capital “C”.
Dems (and perhaps even Reps) and their media and online surrogates are running around trying to “poohpoo” these emails because they are a rough wake up call – for the few who wish to wake up. The bastion of liberty and justice has been transformed into a swamp of greed and corruption.
Hillary Clinton ‘thrilled’ to have Jay Z’s support
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/hillary-clinton-thrilled-jay-z-support-article-1.2845643
D’Oh!!!!
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We all know the emails are authentic.
Anyone with a brain and a little rationality also knows the US is bluffing on Russian involvement. The system is corrupt to the core. Those in power have geared the system towards discrediting the truth in order to escort HRC into the Oval Office. This will have profound effects on journalism, justice, and democracy in the aftermath of this election.
Furthermore, these attempts to discredit Wikileaks and other similar sources contrary to the establishment agenda will continue until the truth is completely suppressed by lies.
A vote for Hillary is a salute to the age of deception.
The below comment from CONCERNEDOBSERVER is suspect. It implies exactly how HRC and crew conduct themselves like she is the Monarch and they are her Royal Court. You, concernedobserver, might like subjugation maybe because you can’t wean yourself from HRC’S tit?
All of the email generated doing the people’s work is our email, not her private email.
Yes, it is bsiness, business or work of SERVING the USA as an appointee, she was verywellpaid, these are not post-work concerns.
Your grasp of elementary facts is doubtful.
1. Clinton’s emails (private or public) have not been published by wikileaks.
2. John Podesta’s private emails have been published by wikileaks. They were acquired as a result of his account being hacked (the only other possibility is that he gave them to wikileaks)
3. The Clinton campaign is not a Government entity. They are a private entity. They’re not doing “the people’s work”, the private email of people working in Clinton’s campaign is not “our email” anymore than your email is “our email”.
It would be nice if there was some basic quality (grasp of civics, elementary grasp of the difference between secret, private and public things etc.) to all this outrage.
This is far more worrisome.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/27/voter-suppression-is-the-real-election-scandal/
The emails are meaningless by comparison.
Nope. Hillary Clinton is going to fellate Wall St., flirt with WWIII, and ignore the progressive concerns as the “bucket of losers” with “low social capital” she spoke of to Goldman Sachs. Her support for TPP, fracking and opposition to a living wage and other economic justice measures will continue. She’s going to be the Republican Lite the Dems have been for over 20 years, but even more so — because on war issues she’s often even worse.
All the people harmed by voter suppression will be fucked even worse as a result. In the long run, it’s her election and her vile policies that are the far more meaningful issue.
Voting suppression would be infinitely more meaningful if there were an actual progressive candidate to vote for, but there is not.
There are progressive candidates to vote for. Candidates Jerry White for President and Niles Niemuth for Vice President are running on the Socialist Equality Party ticket and I am voting for them.
The SEP candidates would indeed be far superior to the mainstream options and, in many ways, also superior to Stein, of the Greens.
However, decades of earnest efforts have demonstrated that the system is fully and effectively rigged to make certain that no such candidates or parties can gain real traction, or even long-lasting footholds, in US electoral politics.
Consequently, the only effects of casting votes for, e.g., White & Niemuth or Stein are to make a statement that will be heard by very, very few and heeded by many fewer, and to salve one’s conscience.
After a lifetime of voting for third-party and independent progressives, I’ve come to believe that it’s a mistake to engage in acts that serve to validate the entirely bogus American electoral circus.
I’m not voting anymore.
How exactly would SEP candidates be better than Stein? Because very few people, including in this group, have ever heard of the SEP, please state the positions on which SEP is better than Green.
You’re spot on about mainstream Democrats and the Party being nothing but Republican Lite, as you put it. I just call them corporate Democrats. And notice that it was Bill Clinton and his buddies who pushed the Democratic Party to become substantially more corporate friendly, which is why the ruling class supported his election (he was selected more than elected). And while Republicans and their party are generally even worse, Hillary Clinton threatens to start WW III, as you alluded to but glossed over. If that happens, none of the other issues matter at all, period.
“Look! A Squirrel!”
The Distract & Divert Division of Revise the Record is here early today.
So let me get this right. All of Hillary’s corruption is meaningless and should not even be considered because Trump told people to go watch the polls.
Because Trump is worse then Hillary, Hillary can do pretty much what ever she wants with no accountability?
How about we talk about Trump and all his faults without mentioning Hillary.
How about you try and defend Hillary without mentioning Trump or the Supreme Court? You can’t rationally do it.
“meaningless by comparison”
Because she is a Democrat; Because she is a woman; Because with her Sanders, Warren, and others might have access and/or influence; Because she is sensitive to public pressure; Because she is pro-choice; and so on.
And yes, Because of the Supreme Court, and Because she is the best candidate. Even on these two alone she should be voted for.
Because she is a Democrat; So only democrats should be in office? No a rational argument.
Because she is a woman; So women can’t be corrupt? Not a rational argument and also a very sexist one.
Because with her Sanders, Warren, and others might have access and/or influence; Sanders won’t be in government for much longer. IF she would make Warren head of Justice or the SEC and let her go after Wall St then that would be good. But you only have to read her speeches to Wall St. to know that she think Wall St. insiders should be the ones to fix Wall St. She would never let Warren act on the white collar crime she reports on. Again your argument holds no water and has no evidence to back it up and there is evidence contrary to your argument.
Because she is sensitive to public pressure; Only when she is exposed, we know behind closed doors she is sensitive to the will of big money. Her and Bill’s record is quite clear on this. MUCH evidence contradicts your argument.
Because she is pro-choice; and so on. What does this matter? The president can’t change this without congress and we know that will not happen on the federal level.
Because she is the best candidate. That is your opinion and not a rational argument.
She is corrupt. You can still vote for her but don’t lie just so you can look in the mirror. Your supporting a criminal, you are allowed to do that, now accept it and move on.
BTW, how do you justify her campaign DIRECTLY violating campaign laws by working directly WITH her Super PACT’s?
“In a July 2015 memo addressed to Clinton herself, her campaign laid out plans for working with the Democratic National Committee and Correct the Record, a Super PAC. Correct the Record was created by David Brock, a longtime Clinton ally and the founder of Media Matters for America. One section of the memo instructed: “Work with CTR and DNC to publicize specific GOP candidate vulnerabilities.””
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3125946-Strategic-Imperatives-Memo.html
“Shur recommended a second course of action: using consultants shared with Emily’s List, a Democratic group, to shoot campaign video that would be posted online to “send public smoke signals in a more traditional way to the Priorities IE.” That way, the Priorities USA team would pick “up the signals,” and air independent expenditures that would “save the campaign anywhere from $2M-$4M.””
But is ok if Hillary violates the law, she is still a good person.
Cool beans!
When she bombs all the brown people in Syria, Iran and the rest of the Middle East, they’ll be shouting — with big smiles — : “Look, mama, we’re being bombed by the First Woman President, and she’s pro-choice11!!!1!!!11″
Well, because overpopulation is the biggest and most important issue on our planet, being pro-choice is actually very important. Plus, this issue seriously affects half of the human population. It’s the only big issue on which mainstream Democrats are better than mainstream Republicans.
Earthlings shall know the Truth.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/33010
Re: Extraterrestrial disclosure
From:john.podesta@gmail.com
To: generalkeith@ ironnetcybersecurity dot com
call: (443) 300-6761
Date: 2016-06-21 13:30
Subject: Re: Extraterrestrial disclosure
Thanks for your support. We will keep at it.
On Saturday, March 5, 2016, wrote:
We must collect it all.
This communication, including any attachments to it, is confidential and intended only for the use of the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify me immediately and do not copy or disclose the contents of this message or any attachments to any other person.
Why did you change this email. Now MSNBC and all the other Hillary new outlets will site your post proving that these emails have been altered.
From:john.podesta@gmail.com
To: ericbrys@gmail.com
Date: 2016-03-05 13:30 Subject:
Re: Extraterrestrial disclosure
Thanks for your support. We will keep at it.
On Saturday, March 5, 2016, Eric Brys-Wilson wrote:
> I am proud of your continued efforts to disclose the truth of secret UFO
> files hidden from the public. I will be voting for Hillary Clinton to help
> get you the authority you need to obtain disclosure.
When you bring up Politifact and its own inconsistent treatment of the email, you should go into what group owns Politifact and political activities of its CEO and other subsidiaries. Shocker: he’s a Clinton contributor and the newspaper they own, the Tampa Bay Times, endorsed Clinton during the primary.
Why?
Because the only way to do so would be to release private emails. Would you publish private emails just because someone published your emails without your consent?
You only have to publish one or two showing where the information was doctored and that would be enough.
The emails are real! So is the corruption.
If these email were not real Clinton would be all over them proving them false and she would be much higher in the polls.
How would you prove that the emails you published are authentic?
The basic problem here is that people who have already decided that Clinton lies don’t trust anything her people put out. Given this reality, why bother?
Classic false dichotomy argument with a twist of strawman.
The Clinton team will skirt this question because they can not turn it to their advantage.
“Would you publish private emails just because someone published your emails without your consent?”
Yes. It’s called a “defense”. Producing evidence to disprove a lie or accusation by producing facts is often used. I’m pretty sure the entire western civilization’s system of jurisprudence is based on that concept.
You might want to check it out.
Wikileaks is not a court of law.
The point is, that the emails are private. If the way to prove/disprove the authenticity of stolen emails (wikileaks didn’t steal them, i support wikileaks’s right to publish what they received) is to publish private emails, then this defeats the point of privacy.
It seems to me that the only reasons not to do so would be (1) the published emails are authentic; or (2) they are not authentic but the real emails are even more damning.
Do you have another possible explanation for us,
concerned one?
Yes. You don’t care what wikileaks publishes.
Also, you care about the idea that private emails are private.
If NSA surveillance bothers you, the fact that private (key fact) emails are published indiscriminately ought to bother you.
I respect Mrs. Clinton’s need for privacy. But the continued circulation of the e-mails is hurting the public perception of political campaigns. Cynicism has grown so great that many believe the campaign manipulates public perception and secretly pledges allegiance to powerful interests while preaching about their concern for the common good.
So I beg Mrs. Clinton to make a personal sacrifice and publish all the e-mails demonstrating the nobility of her private policies. The doctored ones released to date paint a highly misleading picture of a corrupt elite squeezing the system for every ounce of personal gain, to the detriment of the average US citizen. This may be obviously untrue, but if such perceptions are permitted to persist, some people will eventually begin to believe them.
If OJ can find the real killers, HRC can publish the real e-mails.
Naw, Hillary should just have her team create fake emails that show what a great human being and superb, albeit misunderstood, leader she is. Mission accomplished!
People will eventually realize that all their e-mails will be made public and not expose their true thoughts. We are witnessing the end of the era of honesty, when people could occasionally rely on the illusion of privacy to express an honest opinion.
You are correct that future campaigns will carefully choreograph their internal e-mails and then leak them at strategic moments. However, the effect will be limited as no one will any longer believe anything. In fact, to some extent that has already occurred, as people dismiss any evidence which does not conform to the pre-existing reality.
“as people dismiss any evidence which does not conform to the pre-existing reality.”
CNN obviously had someone else in Wolf’s clothing.
This has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton. It’s not her emails which have been hacked.
They are not private emails, they are public emails as they were created while serving as Secretary of State and refer to that work. These documents were subject to FOIA request and court subpeona yet were withhels or destroyed anyway. Not private documents, which is why she was supposed to use the state server, but did not so that she could hide her dealings within her official capacity. You should know this by now unless you are willfully ignorant.
No, John Podesta’s emails are private from his private email account. The question is, whether those emails, as revealed by Wikileaks are authentic. The emails are available to the public as the result of hacking.
Consequentially, there are basically two ways in which their authenticity can be disproved:
1. Take one specific emails and get everybody involved in it to say that it is not authentic.
2. Publish all private emails and compare wikileaks releases against these private emails.
Unbelievable that Hillary used a private email server for 4 years as SoS–to avoid FOIA requests, obv.–Why? To hide influence peddling–and is still a viable prez candidate.