It was in Spain, Albert Camus wrote of a civil war war lost to fascists, that his generation learned “that one can be right and yet be beaten.”
It was in Spain, Albert Camus wrote of a civil war war lost to fascists, that his generation learned “that one can be right and yet be beaten, that force can vanquish spirit, and that there are times when courage is not rewarded.”
In more or less functioning democracies, election nights like the one we’ve just lived through can provide a version of the same lesson, at infinitely less cost. Many American liberals, for instance, still recall the feeling of shock that struck them on November 2, 2004, when George W. Bush was re-elected with surprising ease, after it had become obvious, even to Donald Trump, that the war in Iraq was a disaster.
But as many of those dismayed by Trump’s victory struggled to come to terms with it, another question entered the discussion of the results: how could parents possibly explain to their children that a bigoted, sexist bully with no impulse control and no qualifications to do the job had been elected president of the United States?
I have to explain this to my kids in the morning. And for at least 4 years thereafter.
— Blackius Maximus (@BlackiusMaximus) November 9, 2016
Real talk. If anyone has advice on how to explain this news to my children, please let me know. They still believe Presidents are heroes.
— Bobby Hundreds (@bobbyhundreds) November 9, 2016
Breaking it to children that such a man would soon replace Barack Obama, who has been held up as a role model and a paradigm of personal decency even by many of his political opponents, seemed daunting even to observers as far away as Ireland.
How do you explain to your kids that Trump was elected? Feels like Voldemort won
— Lorna Sixsmith (@IrishFarmerette) November 9, 2016
In the early hours of Wednesday morning, video of a CNN commentator, Van Jones, grappling with the question struck such a chord that it was shared, in various forms, hundreds of thousands of times on social networks.
Van Jones, looking choked up, somehow manages to sum up the fear and pain that many are feeling tonight. pic.twitter.com/K7eiJdO8Aj
— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) November 9, 2016
The only voice of sanity tonight: @VanJones68' words are heartbreaking. #ElectionNight pic.twitter.com/DhgmY8BDdy
— Jenna Amatulli (@ohheyjenna) November 9, 2016
“It’s hard to be a parent tonight for a lot of us,” Jones said. “You tell your kids, ‘Don’t be a bully.’ You tell your kids, ‘Don’t be a bigot.’ You tell your kids, ‘Do your homework and be prepared.’ And then you have this outcome, and you have people putting children to bed tonight and they are afraid of breakfast. They’re afraid of ‘How do I explain this to my children?'”
The task is made more difficult by the fact that politicians feed the hearts of their supporters on the fantasy that, as Hillary Clinton said, “America is great because America is good.”
It was an uplifting speech on this theme, memorably delivered at the 2004 Democratic convention, that made Barack Obama into a political superstar. Again and again over the past eight years, President Obama has tried to inspire Americans to live up to higher ideals by avowing, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that the nation is made up of kind, moral, inherently good and just people.
The theme was also central to the argument offered by both Clinton and Obama that Trump was not fit to be president not only because of his cultivation of nativist, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, and Islamophobic supporters, but also because of his many personal faults.
"That is not the America I know," Obama says about Trump's dystopian depiction of the U.S. https://t.co/BBUHAyQNjn pic.twitter.com/RlvyRLQy2s
— POLITICO (@politico) July 28, 2016
Even though Obama’s personality and speaking ability positioned him to be a uniquely powerful exponent of this message, it has been commonly voiced, in less convincing fashion, by many other American politicians, including his predecessor.
On May 4, 2004, for instance, as the country was exposed to graphic evidence of that American soldiers had tortured and abused Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison, George W. Bush insisted that the behavior of these Americans was un-American. “I share a deep disgust, that those prisoners were treated the way they were treated,” he told reporters. “Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people — that’s not the way we do things in America.”
The next day, as the president scrambled to deal with the fall-out from the scandal, he assured the Iraqi people that “what took place in that prison does not represent America that I know.”
“The America I know is a compassionate country that believes in freedom. The America I know cares about every individual,” Bush added. “The America I know has sent troops into Iraq to promote freedom — good, honorable citizens that are helping the Iraqis every day.”
In a mock news report parsing those remarks for “The Daily Show” that night, the comedian Rob Corddry explained:
There’s no question that that what took place in that prison was horrible, but the Arab world has to realize, the U.S. shouldn’t be judged on the actions of a… well, that we shouldn’t be judged on actions, Jon. It’s our principles that matter. Our inspiring, abstract notions.
Remember, Jon, just because torturing prisoners is something we did doesn’t mean it’s something we would do.
In their own ways, parents across the nation have been trying to explain Clinton’s loss, and Trump’s victory, without shattering the idealism of their children. But the widespread shock among many adults that such a man will soon represent the country is perhaps a reminder that even those of us most cynical about it still want to believe in the myth that American democracy is a fairy tale, where good always triumphs over evil.
“This is the real world that we live in,” Bernie Sanders told his delegates at the Democratic convention, after they booed him for saying that it was imperative to stop Donald Trump by electing Hillary Clinton.
.@BernieSanders booed telling supporters to help elect Clinton: "This is the real world that we live in." https://t.co/8jV2wUWtiK
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) July 25, 2016
And it is a real world where democracy is simply a contest for votes, many of them cast by people who are open to appeals based on lies, misogyny and racism, or feel blind rage at the failure of government after government to adequately shield them from the ravages of globalization that their elected leaders accept as inevitable.
Top photo: Supporters of Hillary Clinton waited to hear her concession speech on Wednesday in New York.
Oh please1
Do you really believe that kids in America give one rat’s a– about the election, Trump, or the state of the nation? I don’t even think the average teen under 16 does. They want to play, compete with their friends, text with each other, and be protected by their family. All this stuff about how to tell your kids about the “disaster” because crooked Hillary didn’t win is hogwash. This type of article is below the intellectual level of TheIntercept!
Honestly, Mackey. You’re just upset that you’re wildly shortsighted Trumpdown prediction unraveled and you were exposed as the shill you are.
No I did not vote for Trump, and neither did I vote for his equally unfit counterpart Hillary.
What people are going to have to learn is that if you only have snakes to choose from, then someone is going to get bitten.
The question you should be asking is “Why is a competent, ethical, hopeful, commanding leader un-electable?”
The solution lies within the answer to that question.
I don’t think the American people would feel better explaining their kids about a Nobel prize committing genocide in the middle east or a double standard millionaire woman patronizing nations in order to make her family’s account fatter. What you wanted and now lost is the status quo that makes you feel good in the morning being American. Careless about the many people struggling cos of a political system that is corrupt and self-centered. Trump may take things upside-down but at least in a landscape without many political options the most sincere of the candidates won. He won’t say I love children while bombing them in thousands, he’d say he’s killing the families of terrorists. What a freak show but at least he’d be honest and straight. @Mackey4whitehousecorresponsal
There wasn’t a “right” side between the R and the D. To say Obama/Hillary are “right” is to say perpetual war, a national security/surveillance state, secret trade deals, immunity from the law for the biggest financiers, and torment of whistleblowers is “right”. And that’s the short list.
Of all the things that have gone wrong in this century, the one that stands out in my mind was the drone assassination of an American citizen under the age of 18 simply because we believed, rightly or wrongly, that his father was a terrorist. Small detail, we already assassinated the father two weeks prior.
Of course, not one single indictment of anyone at HSBC. And now Caligula is emperor.
Could there be gods we have offended? I don’t say no.
What to tell your kids? Tell them to read Glenn Greenwald’s article posted this week. Tell them that in a democracy candidates must earn their votes. Tell them that democrats are submissive, lazy and remarkably naive; unwilling to fight corporate and neoliberal interests of which Obama and Clinton are the willing guardians. Tell them that in spite of the common myth that President Obama is such a decent guy that he is responsible for personally signing off on the drone murder of 16 year old American citizens as well as countless other children and individuals. That means he is a war criminal by any reasonable definition just as is George W. Bush. That means his morals suck and that he hasn’t any right to lecture anyone anywhere and that we are fools if we listen. Tell them that President Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than has any other president. Tell them that this administration has backpedaled so ferociously from any real prosecution of Wall Street criminals that we are right back where we started before 2008. Tell them that in real terms our civil liberties have been more greatly assaulted under this administration than under any other. Tell them that you are sorry to not have had the courage to see these things for what they really are and that you have been lulled into a gigantic sleep which has made you foolishly think that Hillary Clinton could have saved you even though her policies were even more starkly antidemocratic than were Obama’s. Tell them that you and your cowardice are the reason Trump was elected. That would be the truth. Tell them that you refuse to turn the next four years into some drawn out facebook argument and that you will stop pointing fingers at everyone else for what you cannot stomach. Tell them that you plan to get to work, just like republicans do, and that you will try to change your communities from the ground up not to make this country left or right but forward. Mr. Mackey, the sad truth is that what I am saying here is far more rational and sophisticated than what you have written and it is far more valuable for our future and yet the masses think as you do. I can only hope that will change.
Children are often smarter than their parents.
Dear children, between Trump and Satan, we chose the lesser of two evils.
You see, Trump may be a rich *ick head, but he is not a politician and who knows, maybe he’ll actual change something?
Has for Hillary we all know what would happen: she’d keep covering up for wall street; keep wrecking the middle east becaause you know, only Americans matter, the rest of the world’s humans are just not that important; she’d help increase rights for women although plenty of women are being rapped, tortured and murdered in the middle east because of the chaos we, Americans, caused; she’d keep pretending she actually cares for anything when she doesn’t really give a crap about anyone but her and her own. Not to mention she’d keep portraying trump has someone who treats women like trash when her husband did exactly the same and of that one not a word. And guess what dear children, she’s still with him, one of those guys that exploits women.
“You tell your kids, ‘Don’t be a bully.’ You tell your kids, ‘Don’t be a bigot.’ You tell your kids, ‘Do your homework and be prepared.’ And then you have this outcome, and you have people putting children to bed tonight and they are afraid of breakfast. They’re afraid of ‘How do I explain this to my children?’”
You forgot to tell your kids how they live their privileged life on the suffering of others… others in your own country and others all over the world.
I read with amusement all of your pro-Clinton pieces at the Intercept. How many losses will it take for you to know that too many hopes and dreams are shattered by the Democratic Party establishment? The answer as Bob would say, is blowing in the wind. When someone asks for you vote because they are the lesser of two evils, what they are telling you to do is vote for evil. No wonder so few eligible voters showed up for the Democrats on election night. Pathetic.
Here is Orwell on Spain
‘When one thinks of all the people who support or have supported Facism, one stands amazed at their diversity. What a crew! […] all into the same boat! But the clue is very simple. They are all people who have something to lose […]. Behind all the ballyhoo […] lies the simple intention of those with money or priviliges to cling to them.
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The question is very simple. Shall people […] be allowed to live the decent fully human life which is now technically achievable, or shan’t they? Shall the common man be pushed back into the mud, or shall he not? […] That was the real issue of the Spanish war, and of the last war, and perhaps of other wars to come.”
Try the following for “a war”, Mr Mackey, and you will not fail to understand why people did not vote for the Intercept’s candidate: Hillary Rodham Clinton.
https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/
i once saw a demonstration of the very first program of AI on the planet. A fellow from Holland had created a miniature racetrack, curves all over, and placed a special model car upon the track. In the beginning the car was not making the turns and bouncing off the walls. After several laps, the car was able to run the track without hitting the walls. Amazing. But this is the LEARN BY HIT method as opposed to learning by seeing ahead and making the turns in anticipation of knowing there really is a turn ahead.
Americans have a learning disability. The “see ahead” method does not exist for America. Finding dumb&dumbers to occupy political offices is not really a problem in America. Americans are easy to fool, easy to rob, easy to lead by the nose as Netanyahu says. Why is that?
mooooo
That one can be wrong and be beaten, that spirit can vanquish force, and that there are times when courage is rewarded.
Guess, I read a different Camus than Mr Mackey did. I recommend “The Plague”. The journalist “Rambert” in that novel will be an interesting character for Mackey to follow and learn from as Rambert changes in that novel from a hack journalist into a responsible person. And all that is needed for that metamorphosis is when Rambert finally (finally!) finds out which side a journalist should be on: not his own side, but the side of the people.
Come on Mackey: write for your readers, be “solidaire” not “solitaire”.
Not much sympathy here… this wouldn’t have been a problem if you had told your kids the truth about politics and politicians (or as I refer to them in conversations with my nephews, “bloodsuckers”) from the damn start. Now your kids just think you are ignorant sheep… and I can’t blame them.
Exactly!
Responsible parents don’t teach their children that America is some exception to the rest of humanity.
If you have to explain anything to your kids, you aren’t a very good parent. You should have been explaining it to them all along.
Did your parents leave out the lesson about not contradicting yourself in consecutive sentences?
Liberals should tell their children that it is really important and it is a duty to go out and vote! There are projections that up to 10 million possible Clinton voters stayed home and essentially where protesting by voting “none of the above”. Clinton would have won if they voted. Explain to them the dangers of staying home and not voting.
explain to the dnc the dangers of running a dino that so many people would not vote for. they still haven’t gotten the message.
How did the CIA manage to lose the US election?
Nobody in the comments nor Robert Mackey mentioned that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 200,000 votes. The anachronistic and undemocratic Electoral College did its dirty work yet again.
Civics check! We live in a republic not a democracy. Thank God!
The margin is almost 2 million votes now. That’s the way it goes down in a Democratic Republic.
Why don’t I view the American election as all these others do and as journalists like yourself? How do you explain this election to your kids? A group of people in the USA that call themselves the Democrats tried to run a Jew who was also a Socialist for the highest office in the nation. Special interests with their offices in Munich and other large European cities did NOT like that. Clinton was SELECTED to be the nominee, not elected, and everyone WHO MATTERED thought there would be no push back since the world would never know about the deception. A whistleblower organization called Wikileaks got help from hackers all over the world and especially in Israel and in India to stop Monsanto’s pick, push back against Bayer, Pfizer, Merck, Eli Lily and other big companies and all the special interests and corrupted journalists that tried to undermine an American election process. They simply exposed Mrs. Clinton’s email correspondence to the world. People didn’t like what they read. She was mean and rude and dishonest. She had contempt for the people that thought she had their backs. She did not EARN her spot, but stole it with help from people and companies who wanted her to be president and did not want to risk anyone else getting that job. Anyone who suggested she should not be president or even worse that her opponent SHOULD was ridiculed, shamed, bullied, and characterized in the ugliest possible ways. Nobody in the press talked about her ugly supporters – like Bayer. That company called built a camp called Aushwitz-Birkenau and gassed people with an odorless pesticide called zyklon b. Now Bayer has an odorless pesticide called methyl bromide that is legal for agricultural use and it nearly killed a Delaware family on vacation in St Johns. Bayer just bought a company called Monsanto and both are BIG Clinton supporters along. Lots of gays and Jews and even children died in Auschwitz and Bayer did experiments on women there and let them just die. They make vaccines now in addition to drugs, crops, and chemical poisons. In CA the Democrats made it mandatory that parents cannot opt out of vaccines produced by Bayer just because they think the company is gross and killing Jews and Gays and children and others is terrible. You cannot opt out of any of the vaccine injections in CA unless you can access or afford a medical exemption from a sympathetic doctor. Only RI has the same law and it is also a Democrat ruled state. Some people came out and voted for Mr. Trump just because of the fact that HRC supported vaccines and did not support freedom of choice on the issue. Nobody knows what President Trump will do because he has no record. Americans voted against the record that HRC had because very bad things happened while she was in charge and dishonest ones that undermined the USA as a credible world leader. The bottom line is the big Food/Drug companies, foreign banks, some American ones, lots of very rich companies, and some very rich people SELECTED a nominee for the Democrats against the will of the people and used every trick in the book and a staggering amount of money and media to convince the whole world they didn’t and even if they did it was ok and justified because the Republican nominee who WAS voted for would be so much worse. I was STUNNED by the risk the Americans took on election day to grab back their trampled democracy and the sanctity of their votes. I figured since the DNC was rigged the actual election would be too. STUNNED. The Trump victory was not the “white lash on a Black president” it was the American lash on a corrupted Fourth Estate and against all the special interests that tried to steal an election and undermine democracy in the USA – and who failed only because of the courage of individuals and whistleblowers. The kids will get it if their parents do. How sad that Americans don’t see what an amazing thing they did. It was risky, but so was getting rid of monarchy – the rest of us in the Commonwealth didn’t. President Trump said he will make America great again, but it will be America that gives HIM the opportunity to be great. Bayer Monsanto is not going away and they are not likely to give up their automatic revenue stream via the crops, srop sprays and pesticides, vaccines, and drugs, I dont know if Trump is a match for these big powerful interests. I do know and Americans must too based on their votes that HRC was working for them and was a BAD candidate, a selected not elected one, and so she lost. Bravo USA…lets see if you can hang onto it now…you put time on your own clock, but Bayer is still joining forces with Monsanto and they are “advancing together” now.
Wow, conspiracy theory 101. And I’m sure if HRC had won, you would have been first in line to write abt the rigged election too…
Thank you Diane! You leave me wanting more…
Interesting.
methyl bromide?
Methyl bromide is widely used as an insecticidal fumigant in food supplies, warehouses, barges, buildings, and furniture. Its popularity as a fumigant is largely …
Methyl bromide is a dangerous cumulative poison with delayed symptoms of central nervous system intoxication that may appear as long as several months …
isnt dimethyl bromate a preservative in breads and soft drinks?
my success plan for the survival of the human species is 1 family of 4 per 1 acre. And you need to be able to grow your own food.
The election night “that we just lived through”? “Breaking it to children”? “Struggled to come to terms with it”? “Shattering the idealism of their children”?
Yellow journalism much?
I’m not understanding the general problem here that is being restated in terms more or less hysterical on many news sites. If these parents have been able to explain to their children why they (said parents) stood by and did nothing and are doing nothing while the U.S. tramples over the marginalized of its own country and the weak of foreign countries, why would they have trouble explaining Trump? If those parents were willing to vote for Clinton, how will they explain that vote, knowing about Libya to begin with the most simple and directly related case? How will they explain about the drones? The alliance with Saudi Arabia? Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia? However politically correctly such parents may have been speaking for years, the support they have given to ongoing murderous U.S. action against those abroad (often racially and religious different) means nothing but hypocrisy lives in them. The murderous rampage since at least 2003 was planned by the U.S. (7 countries in five years, You Tube) and the parents knew about it. These tender hearted parents do not give a damn about the facts of who gets hurt or discriminated against, or even exterminated, just as long as it is consistent with their closed, comfortable self-image. Let us at least be honest.
Honesty would require we silence the voice of misinformed and hypocritical voters, something I am at least honest enough to admit is hypocritical in itself. Freedom of speech and opinion seems to be a double edge sword.
Well then, Hillary lost because she wasn’t compassionate at all. Remember her psychopathic giggling as she was told the murder of a fallen foe: We came we saw he died! HAHAHA! Somehow her loss has been Gaddafi’s vindication: She came she saw she lost HAHAHA. Now lock her up for her crimes. The American paople has shown it is no longer as gullible as it was thought to be.
Show them this nonsensical fairytale of an article and hopefully they’re not as out of touch and clueless as their parents; but, THIS is exactly why Trump won. Why are these American exceptionalistic kids, always elevated so far above the kids in all the different countries Obama loves droning and terrorizing everyday. Why do they have to be bandaged from any uncomfortable reality? Ask those brutalized parents (if still alive) what they have to tell their kids (if still alive) about a president who looks like he should be on their side, but is instead feeding his weekly “kill lists” and the war machines, with glee!
This is such “Maddcow-Cooper” hysterical, smug, and privileged drivel. After all this time wasted, the million and billion dollar punditry “crap”agandists never taught their fragile brats how to survive and look outside of their comfortable surroundings, and feel some empathy and advocacy, by activism and protesting the real crises this country and the world have been facing for the last (n)teen years?
I didn’t vote for Trump, but I sure as hell didn’t vote for the Negroponte/Kissinger/Salazar loving war criminal the pretentious seem to be delusionally in favor of. There was a chance to stop this outcome: one that had 10k- 50k show up at his rallies, that could have brought what this world so desperately needed was, evidenced by Wikileaks, stolen from same world. The most vulnerable could have gotten some relief from an arrogant underestimating class, who just go on and on and on, about absolutely nothing!!! Meanwhile, their “crowned glory” could only unenthusiastically, mind you, fill a coffee shop.——-The root of this article is really about the guilt the elites feel and “can’t even face their kids the breakfast (oh, the irony) of the morning after,” to tell them the f-ing truth that said parents are complicit and GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!
Based comment, holy shit. Well done.
Hey K0pp3R837, I appreciate your feedback.
I also read Camus and got a very different message such that I would not write for the Intercept. ” In their own ways, parents across the nation have been trying to explain Clinton’s loss, and Trump’s victory, without shattering the idealism of their children.” So Hillary represents Idealism? You really need to go to a re-education source like a good library. Thus it turns out the Intercept is what I expected it would be–just another oligarchic outlet of nonsense!!
to the terminally tone-deaf Mackey-hacks of the world….take a read and lesson from the journalists/ journalism at the very site you find yourself.
Your welcome to advocate for anyone or thing. However, the thin gruel you carry to the table doesn’t have consumable value. Yes, things may get much worse but for many they view it as, how could they?
The arrogance, duplicity and lack of even acknowledgment toward issues and sincere solutions (by both wholly owned parties) is plain view stagecraft, for which humanity and the planet are dying for something different.
And yes, in their desperation they may have sold the cancer and bought the car crash.
What do we tell our children of the covert operations we sanction that kill children overseas, under this past administration especially?
Geez, tell them the truth. But also tell them that the power of the president is limited, and any laws that he wants passed will have to go through the other branches of the government. Yes, Donald Trump is a playground bully, and yes, he is the president. Neither candidate was good, and neither should’ve even been running. One blundering loudmouth with no political experience, the other is a corrupt liar (they both are) who has too much political experience (I could go on for both). America, suck it up for the next four years. Whether you’re a Democrat or Republican, pray that the immigration from America to Canada doesn’t spike too much.
one can tell their children not to read Mackey.
One can tell their children…..
Both the candidates should never have been nominated. Neither deserved to be the president.
Mr Trump’s shortcomings were very obvious and plain to see as he spoke his mind, whether people liked it not… and many did,
Mrs Clinton and her campaign did some very dishonest and crooked things without people’s knowledge and were exposed by chance because of leaked emails.
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Mrs Clinton’s neocon supporters were looking out for themselves ( their pocketbook and power ) and would have sent children of Mr Trump’s supporters to wars to kill and get killed because for all these yrs, Mrs Clinton’s party has become not “party for the people” but “party for the rich and the elite” who party often at hundreds of thousand dollars find raiser.
Finally, Mr Trump IS elected the next president and as citizens of this country, one has to keep an open mind and give him a chance to act.
Also for grown up kids, they could be told why people preferred Mr Trump toMrs Clinton…. because they have been forgotten and ignored… because they are considered WHITE TRASH…
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https://psmag.com/americas-long-rich-history-of-trashing-poor-whites-4b4fc19191f8#.3nzw2fryu
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http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-lives-of-poor-white-people
“Again and again over the past eight years, President Obama has tried to inspire Americans to live up to higher ideals by avowing, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that the nation is made up of kind, moral, inherently good and just people.”
And yet, your article does not take this message to heart. Do you truly believe half of the nation intentionally elected a monster? Look, I don’t like Trump. I don’t agree with his views. I don’t agree with the views of his supporters. But I strive to UNDERSTAND them. To know where they’re coming from.
You can’t argue with someone convincingly if you don’t try to see their side. Hillary wrote off her opponent, his supporters, the concerns of millions of people, and the evidence against her, instead of addressing it head-on. She suffered the consequences. Similarly, you send a terrible and unreasonable message to your kids when you tell them “the monsters won.”
I don’t agree with his views. I don’t agree with the views of his supporters. But I strive to UNDERSTAND them. To know where they’re coming from. You can’t argue with someone convincingly if you don’t try to see their side.
SO SO True!
“Liberals” living in their bubble have forgotten that part of their supposed “critical thinking”!
The mouthpieces of the Clintonite cult are desperately trying to ignore their humiliation and defeat while seeking to salvage their positions. Now that the Red Queen is deposed and vulnerable the true believers must be kept focused for the defense of their fallen leader.
Trump is trying to be magnanimous and unifying in general but I doubt he will excuse Clinton’s behavior towards him and the special prosecutor could be appointed quickly fulfilling his promise to ‘Lock Her Up’.
I grew up watching nature programs from discovery. I grew up watching wolves target the weak and sick. I grew up watching reproductive behaviors of insects. Nature is not kind.
We are not above nature. We are built from it.
We can also choose to change our attitude. I have a son of 7. We are white males, though I have seen my friends in fear. He will notice that as well.
You tell your kids the truth always. You keep it simple, and you tell them to fight for what they believe in.
The one thing that pleased me is the ‘kick in teeth’, that the Trump victory gave to propagandists like yourself. The Omidyar loyalists who will anything for billionaire but suck his lollipop.
Much to my dismay the victory seemed like a 1776, from a french perspective; minus the guillotine; much to my dismay, Mackey.
Now if he can find a Putin solution to you presstitutes…maybe the world can start living in truth.
Are you still working for the Guardian?
The best part of election night was knowing that Robert Mackey was pulling his hair out and crying like a baby. I thoroughly enjoyed this piece; it gives me closure knowing that Mackey, like other disillusioned liberals/progressives who feigned belief for FREAKING HRC, is now buried in a deep depression. Stay there — your articles were shit, anyways.
I am a liberal and I know exactly what to tell my children…Never trust anyone who puts profit before people, never trust anyone who operates in secret, never trust anyone who advocates war, never trust anyone who supports the Jewish theft of Palestine, never trust anyone who supports tax cuts for the rich or deregulation, never trust anyone who supports trade agreements or offshoring of jobs that hurt American workers, never trust anyone that socializes the cost and privatizes the profit, never trust anyone who tortures, never trust anyone who puts their belief system before civil law, never trust anyone who believes they were created by gods, and especially never trust a conservative no matter how much they pretend to be liberal.
A better lesson: teach them to think for themselves. Teach them to question the things that seem wrong to them, whether these things come from enemies, allies, friends, social norms, and so on. Teach them that they don’t have to agree with opposing points of view, but that they should be open to considering them and seeing where the opposition is coming from.
Explain your beliefs to your child, sure, but the worst thing you can do is present your views as undeniable fact.
Mike here gets it.
This is why I make sure to always mix lies and truth together whenever I answer my kids. They know I know a lot of stuff and that I enjoy sharing it, but they also know to take it with a grain of salt and double-check stuff.
Also, it’s a hell of a lot more fun to screw with their heads than it is to pretend to be some wise all-knowing figure that they can trust implicitly. That’s not good for anyone.
Thank you! The self-righteous smugness of the Left even in crushing defeat is mind blowing. I know by default we all see ourselves as the hero in our own story, so obviously those who agree with us are the glorious righteous ones, and our enemies are the villainous subhumans only worthy of being crushed and squelched, but holy $hit I thought the “educated” ones would know better.
First the dismal dark days of Obama are over! After 8 years of racist behavior by our oresident and pandering to criminals “BLM and others” it’s really no surprise America was ready for a change. When will you Marxist liberals learn that smug elitism just doesn’t work! You idiots even lost the union vote and the majority of women. Obama when viewed from the rear view mirror of history will be nothing more than a clown in a dust cloud. His policy’s were utter failures “the so called affordable care act” and all of the executive orders that even dwarfed Bush will be overturned within the first 100 days. Our economy is a joke at 2% growth and I’m just getting started. So let’s switch gears now. As usual Robert like most liberals whenever you disagree with somebody you have to call them a racist or fascist. First let’s set the record straight Trump is married to an immigrant, Trump has a woman running his campaign he also has many other women In leadership roles within his very successful companies. But if you believe upholding our immigration laws and deporting illegal aliens is racist then he’s a racist, if you call vetting Muslims from traditionally war-torn and Terrorist breeding countries racist then I guess he’s a racist. If you call protecting our borders from illegal immigrants racist and upholding the current laws then he’s a racist. So in closing, liberals in general are an emotional Marxist disaster you guys had better wake up and realize that the overwhelming majority “just look at all of the red on the election map” does not agree with your backward policies that have been proven not only by the current administration but other socialist and marxist countries not to work. The silent majority is sick and tired of being ruled by the tyranny of the minority. But you know Robert you and all of your Marxiat friends should really give democracy a chance we live in a republic that is not controlled without a balance of power have a little faith in our democracy and your fellow citizens! The silent majority has already given Obama 8 yrs and he failed miserably. We are tired, our wages are stagnant, we feel marginalized by socialist policies and by minority bigotry, most of our jobs are overseas, we are losing our healthcare, if we have healthcare the cost is skyrocketing! The left-wingers had their chance Robert. You had your chance and it’s over so get used to a new America moving forward! Quite honestly minorities and most liberals have a better chance of success under Trump than they ever had under Obama!
If you really think the problem is that the owners of the US (the intellectual, media and economic elites) are “Marxist”, you have no clue what you’re talking about.
No sir you are mistaken. They are closet Marxist. The agenda they push is Marxism at the very least.
One last thing do your homework! Van Jones is a Marxist and has been for sometime. Once he was exposed Onama asked him to leave the admin. Can’t let that secret out in the open. Hence closet Marxist.
So some low-info “liberal” who wanted to elect the war hawk who destabilized the Middle East deliberately, forced fracking on smaller nations all over the world, has connections of the worst sort with the world’s despots, human rights violators, and terrorists………….the psychopath Clinton whose cabal set up private deals with 99% of the media AND the entire Dem party well before the primary?
Even now, peace activists around the world are looking into what just happened, and the concensus seems to be that we barely dodged WWIII with nukes against Russia at the hands of Clinton, the neocon of the neocons who never met a situation she didn’t want to escalate to full blown war. She was planning WWIII with Russia. She was PLANNING it.
And they’re concerned about how to explain a non-neocon to the left of CLinton is replacing the murderer in chief, who drone-bombs women and children in villages around the world every Tuesday? Mr oil and fracking? Mr oligarchy?
It’s people like these who are spewing hate in the faces of Berners, the most educated voters on the planet, who helped stop WWIII by voting for Trump in swing states as part of a well planned group strategy.
The important thing, though: We just barely dodged WWIII with nukes against Russia.
When you have someone who is willing to stand for something against someone standing for almost nothing, people pick the one who sticks their neck out.
Brilliant observation, simple and elegant:
“The United States was not a model of racial tolerance just because Mr. Obama won the election eight years ago. And it is not a cesspool of hatred and bigotry just because the voters decided that Mr. Trump was the lesser of two evils.” — Italian Dictator
You lost an election, not a civil war. Comparing yourselves to the heroic Spanish and international comrades who sacrificed their lives for the freedom belittles their sacrifice. You are like Germans who elected Hitler to make Germany great again.
I loved your first sentence and was disappointed by the next. Bayer, with its offices in Munich, just bought Monsanto which was a subsidiary of Pfizer. Bayer built Auschwitz and murdered millions there. Even more died outside of the camps though. WWII was one by the special interests and companies that funded it. These companies do not even bother to change their names and they did try to undermine American democracy. America surprised everyone by pushing back. That is all.
They keeping you on to do a few last hit peices Mackey or are you going to be the resident Trump Hater for the intercept? Your reporting was so slanted and inept during the election that I have to believe your contract will be the ended soon. Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll find a home at Huff Post or some other rag.
Mackey tell your kids, “I’m an idiot that has been saved by the other half of the American population that has a brain. I will try to over come my stupidity in the future but right now you’re safe.”
A poorly written essay, but with a few gem paragraphs of Truth. But Schwartz does not want to face the fact that it was not “whites” who put Trump into office (an insult) but Usury and Unjust War. And Hillary was the Embodiment of each — which reasonable people powerfully rejected.
Oh, The Intercept is finally allowing us to comment on this crappy, self-involved hit pieces by this Mackey dude that have absolutely nothing to do with reality. More drivel written by the lackeys of the power elite 1%. Sorry Mackey but your crappy, corrupt candidate lost. We did not want her and Bill back in the White House. Why, because they are not fit to be their. And before you level the canard that I must be a racist, sexist not educated homophobe, let me identify myself to you, Bro: I am a 54 year old black, professional woman with an advanced degree from an Ivy League university. You don’t get it, do you? Here, let me help you: The American people voted against her and, frankly, journos like you, because we don’t want of unfettered crony Capitalism. Jeez!
Sorry. I typed this in anger and disgust at The Intercept for inflicting for weeks this drivel by Mackey and not allowing us to comment, until now. Sorry about the poor use of grammar and typos. Unfortunately, there is no edit function, so I can’t clean it up, but I meant every word of it!
We get it. You’re upset your candidate lost. But here’s the thing. YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE A JOURNALIST. Start acting like one when writing articles, and write the sort of excellent, independent, and informative articles that Glenn Greenwald writes. Or maybe The Intercept needs to add an opinion section to the website, then you could write pieces like this and have it published under that category.
I voted for Jill Stein, by the way. I’m not exactly thrilled that both Clinton and Trump got as many votes as they did. I believe both candidates and their parties are as a whole corrupt as heck and destructive to the country and the world. But unfortunately we’re going to have to accept the fact that Trump managed to win the election, and as citizens of this country we’re going to have to hold him and his party accountable for their deeds just as much as we would have Clinton and the Democrats if they were the majority party.
I’m not understanding the problem here. Yes, if you spent the year telling your children DNC talking points about how Trump is the devil, then I guess it’s weird for the devil to become president.
But why would someone be indoctrinating one’s children like that anyways ? The shared delusion that Trump is the antichrist will dispel with a fizzle in a few months, as he is revealed as just one more cog in the machine that serves the rich.
By the way, the propaganda picture shows a couple of very white people, poor child included…
I can’t believe what kind of stupid corrupt joke the intercept is. Then again, what else would you expect from a rag funded by an american fascist like pierre omidyar?
Robert Mackey is sad to learn that the civil and urbane war-criminal President Obama will not be followed in office by the murderously corrupt and highly credentialed Hillary Clinton but rather by the millionaire orange nativist buffoon Donald Trump. What does this tell us about (a) Mackey, (b) liberalism, and (c) the United States? Discuss.
Truly, two words: DISHONESTY AND DOUBLECROSS by CrookedClintons and the Democrats.
tell them that although bernie was a kindly old man his supporters were a bunch of arrogant holier than thou pricks who, along with comey, assange, putin, jill stein, and gary johnson all cost hillary votes, even if only fractions of percentage points, and that they contributed in part to the low democratic turnout that still gave hillary the majority of the popular vote. got that, kids?
Are you serious? Bernie Sanders was projected to win the election by a wider margin than Clinton, and had he not been railroaded by the HRC/DWS concern, we would very likely not be in this situation.
When “liberals” at the DNC foist a corrupt, despised candidate like HRC onto the party, this is what happens. Yes, maybe if more people had embraced “the lesser evil” then HRC would have won the election, but scapegoating third party candidates, bernie sanders, etc., is a tragic confusion of cause and effect. There would have been no NEED for lesser evil voting if the DNC had fielded a better candidate.
Yes Shai.
nubwaxer is still in the “if only everyone had just done as they were instructed” mode of denial.
If you think us Gary Johnson voters would have cast our vote for Shillary instead of Trump you are sadly mistaken. People voted for Jill and Gary so they could look themselves in the mirror.
You want to know what cost shillary the most votes?
Double speak, telling he banks in paid speeches one thing and saying another thing on the campaign.
Pay for Play. Selling St Dept access. I don’t care what your argument is much of the country believes it.
Bill Clinton being paid $500,000 to give a speech to a Russian bank while the shillary’s St Dept was approving the sale of 20% of US uranium production to the Russians.
Travelgate
Cattle futures trading
Laughing about getting a man off for raping a 12 year old girl
Her support of the Clinton crime bill
Her attacking of women who accused Bill of sexual misconduct.
More than four dozen convicted in a scandal that made the Lincoln bedroom, White House donor coffees and Buddhist monks infamous.
Benghazi lies
The disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
The Clinton use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
This list could get much longer.
I does not matter what you think, much of the country thinks this.
Maybe parents should not be teaching their children mindless deference to authority in the first place. The most powerful man in the world is still a fallible human being. I am guessing these are democratic parents happy to teach their children about Obama’s benevolence while he amassed record deportations, ran a global assassination program, and took more money from bankers than any candidate in history. It is rather sad that it takes having Trump as president for parents to teach their children that America is not perfect and its president is not benevloent.
As the refrain went foe the CNT and the AIT fighing fascism in the Spanish civil war “No God, No Master!”
Stop the fear mongering…..please!!!!!
This is just a matter of people who have deluded themselves about the american character throughout their entire lives being forced to acknowledge old realities that have been ruthlessly punishing those who cannot afford the fantasy, and I am not referring to patriots who elected themselves into the cuurent state of affairs.
Tough shit. And fuck the pampered rotten Van Jones. He and his sort have made millions suffer. Hope it’s his turn now, but safe money is on The Great American Garbage Recycling Corporation.
I vehemently part company with those below disdaining the heartfelt statements of Van Jones. I watched it live and he was clearly overwhelmed and distraught. For good reason — the Klan candidate is president-elect of the United States.
Moreover, he also specifically said the Democrats were going to have to talk about the primary, and it was obvious he meant the anti-Bernie bullshit.
I’ve become as impatient with Robert Mackey as anyone else here, but Van Jones spoke from the heart about the shock and fear that is devastating African-Americans and Muslim-Americans in ways that are almost unbearable to observe. There –our friends — are terrified, and for rational reasons.
Do not mock their genuine suffering and shock.
The rational reason is that Mr. Mackay has been peddling fear in his Trumpdown column for the past month. Other Americans fear that jihadists will slip across the Mexican border and murder them in their sleep. Are you as solicitous of their ‘rational’ fears?
Um, no. The “rational reason” is the huge uptick in anti-Muslim assaults and harassment, and the ongoing carnage committed on blacks by cops that Trump thinks is hunky dorey. Trump wants to ban all Muslims, and has said he’s bringing back torture at levels beyond anything Bush dreamed of — who do you think he has in mind for that?
Entirely stable, intelligent and reasonable African-Americans and Muslim-Americans are in a state of near-panic. Some of them are my friends and I deeply resent your dismissive attitude toward their rational and justified alarm.
On this matter, Benito, you are offensive.
Is there any actual evidence of a ‘huge uptick in anti-Muslim assaults’? If so, that would be a useful topic for Mr. Mackey to write about rather than wallowing in self pity about the election result.
Panic before the election may have been useful as a motivator to get people to vote. That is why Mr. Mackay tried so hard to promote panic in his articles. However, now that the election is over, it would be better for people to go about living their normal lives, and panic no longer serves a useful purpose. The United States was not a model of racial tolerance just because Mr. Obama won the election eight years ago. And it is not a cesspool of hatred and bigotry just because the voters decided that Mr. Trump was the lesser of two evils.
That’s funny, I have many African-American friends, most did not vote for shillary. Over the past few days I have interviewed 50 – 60 people for my job. Most of whom are black. Of course the election has come up. Many are disappointed but none of them are in a near-panic state.
Funny how all the bed wetters were worried about riots from the trump supporter and as it turns out it is the “free-thinking” “educated” liberals who are burning cars and smashing windows.
We are supposed to feel sorry for you because you are sad that you could not get a master criminal elected to POTUS.
If you were really “infromed” about shillary you would have voted with the majority of women.
Were African-Americans and Muslim-Americans safer in the USA or anywhere else during the span of Reagan – Obama terms? Did something suddenly change? You sound like HRC crying for small children and gay people in Afghanistan and Iraq after a few thousand USAF package deliveries (of freedom loving, humanitarian intent, of course).
Van Jones could have made his point without shameless pandering (“putting children to bed”) and incendiary racial metaphors (the vote as “a white lash”).
Mona, this article is a really bad occasion for you to spread some sanctimony. Commenters have not been attacking Van Jones; I think you might be the first person to bring up the name. Nor have commenters generally been suggesting that no one should be worried about Trump.
Secondly the “how to tell your kids about……” thing is a fucking joke and always has been. No one should have ever taken it seriously; the existence of it suggests widespread bad parenting. Your job as a parent has never been to anesthetize your children so completely against the world that as soon as they come off your drugs they go into withdrawal syndrome.
Mackey has been a one guy echo chamber, even to the point where the Intercept created this space for him to write his Trumpdown articles without commentary. This in itself was ludicrous and is a nice metaphor for the Democratic echo chamber that was SO certain they had it wrapped up that all they needed to do was just talk to themselves.
To me one of the good things this election was that the echo chamber turned out not to have a canary. Because why would they need a canary. We’re not in a coal mine right? You’re in a coal mine.
Mackey is like a mini Chait, Yglesias, NYT phenomenon. It is weird that The Intercept should have even had it’s own little member of that bunch.
It is poetic justice when people who spin denial end up in denial themselves.
We need to discredit this whole bunch as fast as possible; they won’t go away by themselves.
“Do not mock their genuine suffering and shock.”
Can I mock their support of corrupt criminal? Can I mock their blindness to the truth of shillary? Can I mock the fact that Democrats screwed themselves and are now not willing to admit that they are at fault.
They had a candidate that would have won. They had the ONLY candidate that had a positive rating among both men and women. But they chose to backstabb him and through DNC corruption support a VERY flawed candidate.
“Do not mock their genuine suffering and shock.” What he should be shocked about is that him and the democrat establishment would support shillary after all she has fucked up.
he deserves no pity… We who now have to live under a Trump presidency need the pity. Anyone who voted for shillary in the primary is to blame. I switched parties to vote for Sanders in the primary and now I have to suffer Trump because of blind sheeple.
She only won 51% of white collage educated WOMEN. I don’t think Trump could have done more to drive women away but she still could not get them to vote for her. The first woman to run for one of the two parties and she can’t even win the white female vote. The blame for that statistic falls on only one persons shoulders, Shillery’s
Lies lies lies. Thats all we have heard. What about the Truth that never said a word about anybody else. Or crap why even bother to keep this going….
True story. My nieces, who are 11 and 12 were thrilled this morning when they heard Mr. Trump won the election. Their father had said that if Mr. Trump won, he was moving the family to Canada. They were crestfallen when they learned they wouldn’t really be moving to Canada. But children are resilient and they’ll recover from this disappointment.
Subtle is the lord..
These 23 Celebrities Said They’ll Leave The Country If Trump Wins
Going away party held at Trump plaza.
Jesus H Christ, this is the piece Robert Mackey comes out from behind his insular little “no comments” wall to foist upon The Intercept’s readership.
You’re a fucking idiot Mr. Mackey. You, Van Jones, LGM, Daily Kos and everybody that thinks this election result is primarily a function of racism or misogyny simply don’t and will never “get it”. Because you’re privileged assholes who don’t have the slightest understanding of what is going on among the vast majority of the American people.
You and your pathetic punditry and identity politics just got handed its ass in this election for the very simple reason that you don’t have the slightest clue what you are talking about, again, due to your ridiculous level of privilege and disconnect from the vast majority of the American people.
Here’s a newsflash–the vast majority aren’t misogynists or racists–they are fucking poor, struggling and don’t have a fucking future to look forward to for themselves, their families and their children. And of course some minority of them want to blame that on those who don’t look, talk or pray like them. But most know that’s not really the issue–they know they are getting fucked by “free trade” policies, bankers, and elitist fucking politicians and the pundits who hang around them like they are meritocratic messiahs, which is shockingly inaccurate. They are fucking elitist pricks, like you, who believe you know what’s best for others so long as your fucking economic ox isn’t the one being gored.
You fucking ignorant elitist prick.
The Crucible; Arthur Miller:
Hale [the good guy]: Excellency, if you postpone a week and publish to the town that you are striving for their confessions, that speak mercy on your part, not faltering.
Danforth [the bad guy]: Mr. Hale, as God have not empowered me like Joshua to stop this sun from rising, so I cannot withhold from them the perfection of their punishment.
Hale, harder now: If you think God wills you to raise rebellion, Mr. Danforth, you are mistaken!
Danforth, instantly: You have heard rebellion spoken in the town?
Hale: Excellency, there are orphans wandering from house to house; abandoned cattle bellow on the highroads, the stink of rotting crops hangs everywhere, and no man knows when the harlots’ cry will end his life – and you wonder yet if rebellion’s spoke? Better you should marvel how they do not bum your province!
LOL!………Pure poetry. This is precisely the silver tipped tongue type of tickling I find most entertaining.
Wow. Now this is a comment worthy of praise! Well said.
Here’s a newsflash – Plenty of people who voted for Trump were neither poor nor struggling. But they sure were white. Among white college graduates Trump outperformed Clinton by a 4-point margin.
So, what’s your point? Here is a newsflash for you: Among those who reported in exit polling that their “family financial situation” is worse today than a year ago, 78% voted for trump.
But hey, it is clear that you want to make race an issue so let’s see which candidate most benefited from race-centricity:
Black vote: Hillary 88 %, Trump 8 %
White Vote: Hillary 37 %, Trump 58%
Now let’s compare these statistics to those acquired by Obama in 2008:
Black Vote: 93 %
White vote : 43 %
Considering the fact that Hillary wrapped herself in the loincloth of Barrack Obama throughout the campaign season, it comes as no surprise that her racial demographics closely mirrored his – absent the fact that Hillary was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm among the democratic faithful as can be demonstrated by a slight reduction in both categories. Given that Blacks have overwhelmingly demonstrated a propensity for voting along racial lines in 2008 and 2012, it is not unreasonable to conclude that race was the governing factor for choosing the Obama endorsed candidate in 2016. When coupled with the fact that over eighty percent of blacks self-identify as democrats compared to eight percent who self-identify as republican, that conclusion is further reinforced. Thus when weighing the significance of income in the current election cycle, one must first consider the fact that race and party affiliation played a larger role for black voters in the current election cycle than did economics concerns.
As a percent of US aggregate income, middle class America has gone from 62 % to 43.5 since 1970; more simply, the fortunes of middle class America are shrinking. in terms of adjusted income, middle class wages have remained largely stagnant while productivity has gone way up. Much of this can be blamed on the reduction in union participation which has seen a 300 % reduction during the same period. Regional trade agreements, the flight of manufacturing, and outsourcing have all contributed to the orchestrated demise of organized labor in the United States.
As any successful bid for the office of presidency requires a majority popular vote (with a few rare statistical exceptions), it is understandable that the winner will command a sizeable vote from each of the economic segments of American society. This fact does not negate the claim that Trump enjoyed broad appeal from those whose economic way of life has been most radically altered by the neoliberal shift toward free market regional trade blocks and their transnational pipe dream of a globalized economy.
Oh and, by the way, and the ‘fucking poor’ mostly voted for Hillary. This from the FT: “Mr Trump ran as a champion of the country’s working class, but his support lay predominantly with those earning more than the country’s $56,000 median income. Mrs Clinton won 52:41 among voters earning less than $50,000 a year, according to exit polls. Mr Trump won narrowly among all income groups above that. ” https://www.ft.com/content/51534512-a648-11e6-8b69-02899e8bd9d1
The profanity and petulant whining in your post undermines an otherwise legitimate post. You need a lesson in manners, bro.
Outstanding!
I can think of a couple things: Show them the South Park “Turd vs. Douche Sandwich” episode to explain a lack of inspiration when two terrible candidates are had. Maybe also the Simpsons Kang vs. Kodos episode, to explain how people would refuse/did refuse to vote third party even with such terrible candidates.
And for parents who voted for Clinton instead of Sanders in the primary, explain to them that their parents are idiots/assholes/ignorant and the main people responsible for this outcome. Explain how Sanders supporters tried to warn you this had a good chance of happening, but in response you insulted them and called them sexist bros, and dreaming young fools, no matter how true or not this was. Explain how even “liberals” can be very conservative. And how even “left-wingers” can be very right-wing.
Given a choice between a sexist racist motor-mouth and somebody who pushes for wars in which thousands of real people end up dead, America made the best of a bad job.
“Obama has tried to inspire” with platitudes which do not reflect his policies. Above all else, he is a liar. He is a willing enabler of cronyism, whistleblower reprisals, and war crimes.
The Mackdown: How long until The Intercept’s journalistic nightmare is over?
This piece by Mackey should have been entitled: “In which I further bury my head in the sand and double down on the stale fictions that I have been repeating over and over, even at the moment when they have been shown to be utterly powerless utterances”.
Yes, Obama shows his personal decency every time he drones or spies on someone, right?
Come on now if your in the private sector and not gaming the system or running some other liberal rip off,you should be rejoicing and pleased the end of the most corrupt era in government is coming to a close,Haters.
Delete your account, Mackey. You are a joke with zero credibility, and you don’t want to wake up and admit how powerless and impotent you really are.
Stop your petulant whining, please. It’s unbecoming and frankly just a nuisance.
when my two children came home from school one day and told me Bill did not have sex with that women,it was a BJ under the desk….kids are not stupid and they do listen to what the adults do say and do….give the kids a break from the adults ignorance of what is going on around them…they do know…and probably will tell you what is going on not the other way around….no worries parents!, get of your high horse
I wish I was just trying to be dramatic but that win for the doorknob con artist with the baseball cap who used to (and probably still does) prey on women sexually is terrifying. He’ll get over it though. Too bad that voter base won’t.
Oh my god he’s back. Dude, resign this site. Do the honorable thing. You have zero credibility after that silly “Trumpdown” stunt.