The article that scared me most this election cycle appeared in the Washington Post, documenting how Melanie Austin, a single western Pennsylvania Trump supporter, gathered information about the world around her: almost exclusively vacuuming falsehoods via Google and social media. She is one among millions. You can blame Facebook outright for Trump’s victory, or not. But at the very least, we should demand from them some accountability for their role in spreading the present toxic sea of deliberate misinformation and non-factual chaos.
Melanie Austin’s personal media diet is one that played out on a vast scale across the country, one in which traditional notions of factuality and reality were completely discarded in favor of tribalism and meme-based endorphin release, unleashing lurid tales like this, alleging the assassination of Antonin Scalia:
“They say they found a pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow,” Trump had told the talk-radio host Michael Savage, who was using his show to explain the scenario to his 5 million weekly listeners, who then spread it on Facebook, where it wound up in Melanie’s feed.
To Melanie, this was the glory of the 2016 presidential election. The truth about so many things was finally being accepted, from the highest levels of the Republican Party on down to the grass roots of America, where so many people like her didn’t care what some fact-checker said, much less that one day Trump would suggest that Obama wasn’t born in America, and on another say maybe he was.
Confirmation bias doesn’t begin to describe what Facebook offers partisans in both directions: a limitless, on-demand narrative fix, occasionally punctuated by articles grounded in actual world events, when those suit their preferences. But it was the Trump camp more than its opponent that encouraged this social media story time, because theirs was a candidate who was willing to stand at a podium and recite things he knew to be false, day after day. Trump rallies were a place to propagate conspiracy theories plucked from Facebook (and Reddit, and Twitter, and 4chan, and …), but also to plant what would become the next social media hoax. Trump warned his fans of ISIS commandos creeping across the Mexican border, Hillary’s failing health, cash payoffs to Iran, Benghazi murders, and a litany of other tales that included proper nouns from real life, but little else. And when, after a long rally, a Trump supporter logged into Facebook, they were likely greeted by a cascade of contextless, often deliberately falsified Facebook “news” stories, the sort detailed by John Herrman in an New York Times report from August. On Facebook, a meme-ified image promising new details of Hillary Clinton’s brain disease would appear alongside an advertisement, a Wall Street Journal investigation, a video game trailer, a baby picture.
Whether or not Facebook is directly culpable, this much can’t be overstated: The combination of a media literacy nadir combined with an unstoppable firehose of untrue media gave Donald Trump the ability to say virtually anything during a presidential election, without consequence. There’s no reason to believe this won’t continue to happen in every election hereafter, to say nothing of the rest of the world, where Facebook is desperate to plant roots.
At the very same time, Facebook’s executive suite was doing everything possible to avoid responsibility or even mention this very real civic crisis, in which the electorate has unprecedented access to information and an unprecedented inability to comprehend it. As recently as the tail end of August, Mark Zuckerberg went on record denying that his company is a media company, and therefore deserves none of a media company’s responsibilities: “The world needs news companies, but also technology platforms, like what we do, and we take our role in this very seriously.” I’m not sure this is true. In the face of an obvious, deliberate groundswell of misinformation and hate speech, Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg have declined to do literally anything to help.
The distinction between “tech” and “media” companies is unhelpful, if not totally useless — there’s simply never been a company like Facebook before, able to singlehandedly distribute and filter information to over a billion people every single day. Regardless of what it thinks of itself, this much is certain: Americans use Facebook to inform their view of America, and the world, and this service has been poisoned. Whether a technology company or a media company, Facebook has the social responsibility of any company to stop allowing its customers to be grossly hurt on a massive scale. If Facebook took its self-described role as a technology company seriously, it might recognize its role in the gargantuan distribution of falsehoods sufficient to influence an entire election, and leverage technology to correct that. Instead, Facebook’s only notable attempt at protecting its users this year was the ham-handed, globally condemned classification of the iconic Vietnam War “napalm girl” photo as child pornography, the baffling deletion of which took entire days to rectify.
So far as we can tell, Zuckerberg’s response to the election has been to stick his chief executive’s head deeper into the sand:
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey too seems unwilling to own up to anything, but at least he has the excuse of running a declining company:
We all must hold each other, especially the leaders we put in power, accountable to that truth.
— ????????jack (@jack) November 10, 2016
The cynical explanation here is the most plausible: People will click on and share things they want to believe are true, and the more this happens, all the better for Facebook’s (and Twitter’s) share price. The extent to which Facebook rambles about algorithmic oversight and a commitment to neutrality is only a means of ditching responsibility. Mark Zuckerberg may be living on a different planet than ours in so many ways, his mind clouded by Silicon Valley utopianism, but don’t buy for a second that he’s too aloof to fix what’s obviously broken on his website. If he and his cadre are half as smart and committed to making the world better as they claim, they could fix their own company.
We owe it to ourselves, regardless of party affiliation, to demand some quality control from Facebook. Liberals should demand better for the other half of the country — not just because their confusion helped elect Trump, but because no one deserves to live in internet-augmented ignorance. What form this fix takes, and at what cost, is beside the point: You should refuse to believe that a company with a $361 billion market capitalization and enough R&D cash to develop solar-powered airplanes lacks the resources and ingenuity to keep viral anti-news from threatening the democratic process. If Facebook employed a team of bipartisan fact-checkers to identify pages intended only to dupe millions of users, and if that team acted with only half the energy used to identify and banish nipples from the site, so much the better for the whole country. A less-toxic Facebook is doable. A less-toxic Facebook is crucial. A less-toxic Facebook is the absolute least you should demand from the people it’s made rich, because, with no great exaggeration, the ability to deliberately confuse tens of millions of American voters in exchange for banner ad revenues is a crisis. Mark, Sheryl, et al.: Please, please, please help us out.
Facebooks big problem is ignorant management. For somebody who went to such a toney Ivy, Zuckerberg is phenomenally ill schooled in basic information.
At my state university, I learned that the First Amendment is limited, that not all speech is protected, and that the Founders put that bit in to facilitate discussion of ideas, not so some idiot could put a Lynch Obama hate page on Facebook. That’s not an idea for a civilized people to mull over. It does create a very public atmosphere that encourages the worst in people though, and it’s not something civic and business leaders allow on their turf. And that’s tip of the iceberg on Facebook which can easily rival the worst of Reddit for horribleness. How is it responsible to encourage the very worst, most barbaric tendencies in people?
We have over two centuries of carefully considered case law from SCOTUS defining speech and whats protected, or in reality fit for publication. Mark Zuckerberg needs to learn this crucial piece of information, because like it or not he’s a media company. If he’s putting news feeds and live video on that site he’s far over that line. There’s a lot of emphasis on facts by all the fine legal mind’s who’ve wrestled with the question of hateful and inflammatory versus stuff some of us just don’t care for, and the one thing they all agree on is – facts are news. Then there’s opinion, which isn’t news but still protected speech no matter how hateful a lunatic one is, and entertainment. That’s where the made up belongs, labeled as such.
So Facebook has a pretty simple blueprint laid out by centuries of experience. The problem is they think they should reinvent the wheel, and it will be Zuckerbergs undoing. Standards at Facebook are uninformed and sloppy, it’s obvious nobodies ever even talked to a proper attorney or experienced print editor. The horrid Peter Thiel may have something to do with this, he is the man responsible for an assault on the press and an attempt to warp First Amendment law in the process.He sits on Facebooks board and may well be why it has mayhem instead of reasonable guidelines. But one never knows, Silicon Valley is awash in ego and hubris.
If this makes the algorithm mad twitchy, they have work to do too. Fake news sites are known. Just block them. Ebay doesn’t allow counterfeit goods, why would Facebook allow known fake news sites to post? If garbage doesn’t come in, it doesn’t go out. The First Amendment doesn’t cover blatant lies and no reputable media company trades in such. If they hire a few liberal arts majors, the people with critical thinking skills, we can spot a bogus news site pretty damn quickly. Or better? Credential sites as one credentials real journalists. Breitbart may not make that cut, but too bad. Letting propaganda sites use Facebook steals ad revenue from Zuckerbergs pockets anyway.
We know people get a thrill out of TED talks as much as fake news. Plenty of alternate programming will show up, and Zuckerberg really needs to look at his liability for creating his own awful swamp. I’ve deleted my account over this. I’m not the only one.
Zuckerberg can be the hero here, but he seems inclined to shirk his responsibilities as CEO. Facebook’s reputation just took a huge hit and things could get worse. Personally, no loss if Facebook disappeared tomorrow, but other people like it.
The largest misinformation/fake news came from the main stream media as
Glenn Greenwald pointed out on Democracy Now.
New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, FOX all printed outright fake news and fake polls for the election.
If you want to stop misinformation/fake news start there with the people who lied to you there were WMD’s in Iraq and have continued ever since.
You may not like Donald Trumps election but censorship is unAmerican and who will censor the “fake” news.
CNN, NYT, Ect the same people who CENSORED those who said there were NO WMD’s in Iraq and would NOT print it?
Also Trumps victory was NO surprise only to those who watched the fake news and fake polls at New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, FOX.
When will these fake news outlets be censored?
Whats worse is the most accurate predictive news coverage came from the website INFOWARS who correctly pointed out the polls were faked with wrong sample size showing a Hillary win and that Trump was ahead (true!)-and THEN wikileaks confirmed it with a leak.
INFOWARS also reported Hillary’s illness from a secret service tip that was widely ridiculed by MSNBC, Jimmy Kimmel, ect for “fake” news and a week later Hillary collapsed on film.
Shockingly INFOWARS has been the most accurate election source of news and predictions beating New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, FOX hands down yet today INFOWARS is listed as a “fake” news site.
So the most accurate/predictive news site of the election is listed as “fake” news
while the actual fake news commented on by Glen Greenwald came out of New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, FOX goes unpunished and unremarked.
So there’s NO WAY you can pre-censor the news-you dont know whats true unless its hashed out in public.
So any hint of censorship is unAmerican and unwise.
But the intercepts own Glenn Greenwald was accused of spreading false news with his Snowden revelations by the White House, NYT, CNN, Washington Post, ABC, MSNBC, FOX.
If we had your unAmerican censorship ideas in place the Intercept would not exist and you would not be publishing this article here.
I guarantee you 1 thing if you put in a “false” news censorship you will never learn the truth.
Didnt the History of Censorship in Nazi Germany, Mao’s China, and the Soviet Union teach you anything at the Intercept?
To think the “free speech” website is broaching the idea of censoring the news.
How about NEXT TIME giving the people someone to vote FOR instead of censoring the news people see?
You don’t seem to understand the difference between editing and censorship; you might get a dictionary and look up the word.
Not publishing falsehoods isn’t censorship.
Appreciate the article and its underlying thought. We all paid the price for the misinformation spread over the internet by false news sources – not just the fools who get their news from social media.
Sorry, but anyone who gets their “news” from social media deserves what they get. THE CONSUMER NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for being a smart consumer. Learn the difference between networking and news networks.
Isn’t Sam Biddle the guy that twitted that nerds deserve to be bullied?
You wrote, “because theirs was a candidate who was willing to stand at a podium and recite things he knew to be false, day after day.”
Did you laugh out loud when you typed that? Don’t tell me you didn’t see HRC stand in front of the nation and give several changing versions of “no classified information on my email”? We all saw it. Most of us noted when she changed the verbage as more information came out. Most of us could see that she was obviously changing her story because the previous version was proven false by more facts leaking out to the public.
No one can objective look at the email situation and refute that she developed the email system to hide her emails from the required record keeping laws that govern our top officials. No one can believe that she didn’t sell access to enrich herself (she produced/sold no product to make her hundreds of millions of dollars — Remember she left the White House “Dead broke”).
No ration argument can be made for her body of work propelling her to the top of the Democratic ticket. It was decided by power brokers that ‘it was her turn’ and the public was fed a diet of smoke, mirrors, and lies by the complicit establishment media.
The only difference between the media and Facebook, is that we are allowed to self-select on Facebook. The media just force-feeds us the liberal talking points and propagates rumors and investigations of Republicans only. I agree with nearly all of your points about Facebook, but I take offense at your lopsidedness, as did the American public on November 8th!
Please sign my petition to Facebook to fix this fake news problem: https://www.change.org/p/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-fix-your-fake-news-problem
It’s very strange how Mr. Trump is blamed for every evil that the Democrats and liberals have caused through the years. And, by the way, this nation is not a democracy, it is a republic. There is a reason for that. A republic has checks and balances to prevent what has happened in the Democracies of China, Cuba, and Russia. Our Electoral College prevents a dictator tyrant from ruling.There is so much ignorance in this nation, especially among the liberals who spend so much time in college, that I wonder how it continues to exist with any freedom and liberty. But, such was the wisdom that God imbued the Founders with, that they were able to write a Constitution to keep much of the European evil away from our government.
Right, except for the MANY people get “news” from tv, but I agree FB lowers the bar on discussions…
Hard to blame Facebook for this. The MSM is hardly more discerning.
The next generation will grow up learning how to tell bullshit from truth.
I’ll take the truth buried in lies over not getting the truth at all because it didn’t fit through the ol’ Overton Window.
My question is: who fact checks the fact checkers? If the people who fact check have an agenda like the mainstream media do, they can eject any opposing opinions right out of the arena. That’s why the polls were wrong. The left shouted down any dissent using the “unbiased” mainstream media. Now you want to control the alternative media too? Bite me.
Yes, FB, please take steps to censor your members who are incapable of recognizing, speaking or sharing the objective truths we writers at respected media sources such as The Intercept and Gawker espouse? Drivel like this scares me more than anything I’ve seen on FB.
Wow – really a raging moron.
So we should demand more censorship on FB? Like there isn’t enough of it already.
And if we go this way, who is going to decide what to censor?
Will you then demand punishment for those whose posts will have to be censored repeatedly?
We had and still have enough of censorship and dictatorship on this planet, without need for more
Its too early to say how good or bad, right or wrong, the choice of Trump as pres is. Nor is it easy to say Clinton would not have been a blunder. Only time can tell.
However, there are few things we must learn to ponder about.
1. There is a famous saying : majority consists of fools. and
2. Any democratic government is by the choice of the majority – often misled and manipulated by those capable and by all available means.
3. Whenever available choices and ease to chose exceeds our ability to discriminate between real (not apparent) right and wrong the chances of choosing correctly are the as high as of finding a needle in a hay stack with eyes folded.
4. In any case the choice can never be very wrong (or very right) any candidate who wins is limited by the system to be guided by professionals and experts – usually the best available in the field.
5. Technology and media are both our creation. The sharper they are more potent they get – both to our advantage and disadvantage, depending on how we use them. A sharp blade is life in the hands of a deft surgeon and slaughter weapon in the hands of a murderer.
6. Eight years down the line we shall witness the same again. Only actors would have changed.
Oh wonderfully said!
In other words, you´re calling for censorship and consider this compatible with the democratic ideals and free speech you support? Who os going to determine what is the truth and what information people should be allowed to get?
Whatever happened to listen to concerns, accept validity of those concerns and address them through persuasive arguments? Trump won because he said “you´re being screwed, I hear your pain” to a group of people who were being told they were a basket of deplorables, incapable of thought. Get out of your ivory tower – you might discover things about the world that may surprise you.
Blaming others for a loss is avoiding responsibility. Certain segment of intellectuals believe they are the experts and “others” should listen to them, well many smatter intellectuals and normal everyday people with a lot more experience and knowledge just voted.
How about we worry about cleaning up the existing press first.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12681
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1106
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11699
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524#efmA14A2IA3AA36A9fA-kA-6BAICwpCx4
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12063
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10353
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23958
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26404
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12196
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11277
more whining , complaining and blaming. Cant you just leave it be and move on. The DNC can do their own post mortem. By the way, I like my Bill of Rights
Since the overriding purpose of Facebook seems to be to make Zuckerberg the richest person in the known universe as quickly as possible, it’s very unlikely to want to reform itself.
On the other hand, I’ve never been on FB and intend to keep it that way. And though it may seem completely unbelievable, I’m still breathing and I still have an actual life.
Just what would you have FB do? I agree the bubble is outrageous, but what do you think FB can do about it? You want them fact checking the posts and what? Correcting them, eliminating them? I just can’t imagine what their role would be.
Seriously? Friends, Hillary lost BECAUSE of confirmation bias… We – meaning our well-educated, right-thinking, progressive, self-congratulatory “elite” never imagined that so many of the ordinary ‘little people’ might NOT trust her, or give her their vote – because they’d never met or spoken to any of these misguided souls; their conversations (and articles, videos, and blog posts)were held exclusively with and for one another. If we had gotten out of our cozy little circle we might have realized that our candidate was loathed by the majority, and perhaps done something to correct that little problem. Let’s wake up and LEARN something from this, rather than inventing obscure reasons like this one…
Facebook and all the other sites, was how it was possible for the people to find out about and guard against the massive election fraud that has gone on for years. The world is now seeing what the people want, not what the voting machines were able to do. The election fraud was not able to overcome the landslide that Trump had, they did, they did manage to shave off a ton of votes for him though. His numbers said 100 million for him and he paid to have real actual scientific polls done.
Welcome to freedom of speech in the 21st century. You don’t have to be on Facebook, buddy. And those who are are still responsible for disseminating their own feeds of information. Little thing called personal responsibility. Lashing out at companies in anger over your candidate not getting elected is psychological anger aversion 101. What about the Times? Fox? CNN? Gonna just pigeonhole Facebook? And, by the way, I can think of a couple things left unattended in Hillary’s wake too, going, ahem, “without consequence.” Sorry, Mark, for bloggers of this sort. Always looking for someone to blame but themselves, stuck in their own confirmation bias while bashing everyone else’s as inferior. Article summary: “Hey you, LinkedIn…yea you. You didn’t monitor false information being tossed around your server. F–k you!” Sheesh. And now that you’ve assumed I’m a Trump supporter, should probably mention I didn’t vote for either Trump or Hillary. Smiles :)
I’m convinced. Ban everything except stuff I say.
I just submitted a comment here, but it has not appeared. Is there a reason for this? Is it being moderated (which is fine), but I can see no mention of that.
As someone trained in Middle Eastern and ~Islamic affairs, having taught these and related subjects at a British University and currently working for a New York-based institution, I have long been appalled by the anti-facxthual material spread on FB and YouTube (the latter may be worse). On the one hand, working for a project about outright Islamophobia (i.e. far right white supremacist hatred of Muslims) I was appalled by the extent of hate speech and imagery for Australia alone, all on FB. At the same time, FB and YouTube spread radical Islamic ideas supporting terrorism and hatred of non-Muslims or abuse of women. Since one of my main topics of interest is Israel and the Palestinians, I get frightened by the extent of the anti-Semitism (from both left-wing and Islamic posters) and the very real falsehoods told about Israel. I am not talking about: I mean outright, easily-identified misinformation about historical, legal, and political matters. There are important issues to discuss here, but untrained and ignorant people will be dangerously misled by the balderdash that getrs posted. Since Middle Eastern and Islamic subjects have a direct bearing on political life in Europe and the US, allowing pure fiction to take the place of evidence based on archives, books, academic articles etc. just drags everyone into arguments that lead nowhere.
Blaming Facebook for the spread of misinformation is like blaming the bartender in a drunk driving suit and about a million times less practical for Facebook to take responsibility. Fb is supposed to vet each article and poster in real time? Really??? Is it their job to spoon feed us?
As Americans we have a terrible habit of blaming anybody and everybody else for problems we created for ourselves. “It’s the credit cards’ fault I can’t pay my bills.” “It’s the teacher’s fault my kid won’t do her homework.” “It’s soda’s fault I’m obese.” “Nobody told me that McDonald’s coffee would be hot when I spilled it on myself!” Social inequality means not everyone starts out with the same advantages – absolutely! – but not every difficulty is rooted in society, please! Why can’t Fb users vet their own content before posting? (I’m guilty of this too!)
I feel like it used to be understood that evaluating content and exercising healthy skepticism was part of the act of reading, not just sounding out letters in your head. Am I giving past generations too much credit?
You are barking up the wrong tree and You are the one guilty of twisting truth. When the election is over, then You are supposed to quit whining and do what You can in Your own little World. (Like; sweep Your porch before You complain about how many leaves I have on my porch) Even all the time Obama was in You continued to whine about me and my opinions and all the while covered the truth of what happened on Your watch(newsboy), in Bengazi, government interests on a private computer, etc. etc. And only Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz joined the Truck Drivers & Veterans to open the unrightfully closed, privately funded, Veterans Memorials in Washington D. C. by Obama. And I guess now, here on Twitter, You wish to kill Facebook. If You don’t like certain types of information, then quit writing it to others. You are supposed to put all of Your opinions as a writer in the opinion columns of the newspapers. And leave the facts to the Reporters who see Truth and only write the Truth without including their opinions.
You make it sound like everyone agrees electing Trump is a bad thing. Obviously not everyone agrees.
I can relate to the frustration in this article, but it comes too close to censorship of free speech, even when that speech may be ignorant or incorrect. Who begins to monitor the truth on Facebook? And who decides for us what is true? It seems to me it would be better to focus on educating people to check out what they post before they post it, but it’s still up to them what they post even if I don’t agree with it or even believe it to be incorrect.
Liberals still don’t get it. Americans will not relinquish their freedom knowingly. The far left cabal has been working at a stealth coup for many, many years. This is why Trump was elected.
Hypocrite! Free speech troll.
I too found this article deeply disappointing. Sam please consider reading the recent article by Glenn. Find a copy of Jessica Lessins (of The Information) recent article on the media. Hint: always fingerpointing and never looking in the mirror to explain the current situation won’t get the media (or the Democrats) far. Good luck it sounds like you need to do some soul searching.
Concerned Reader
I too found this article deeply disappointing. Sam please consider reading the recent article by Glenn. Find a copy of Jessica Lessins (of The Information) recent article on the media. Hint: always fingerpointing and never looking in the mirror to explain the current situation won’t get the media (or the Democrats) far. Good luck it sounds like you need to do some soul searching.
Don’t cite confirmation bias as a singly partisan problem. If you refuse to believe that the left doesn’t capitalize on the ignorance of the X masses that gets its “facts” from Twitter, YouTube vid-bites, and Reddit, then you have become them.
I think it’s important to acknowledge the role social media has played enabling people to live in homogenous, rarely factual echo chambers, but to go so far as prescibing censorship is wrongheaded at best and malignant at worst. Well-rounded news sourcing is not something you can force on someone. The most we can do is point out the factual discrepencies in their media diets, while supporting and promoting independent news outlets that have a history of commitment to journalistic integrity.
FB is a private company and can do whatever they want. But I just deleted my FB account because personally I don’t believe in censorship. The problem is that there is no way to remove bias from the filtering process. And free speech extends to conspiracy theories sorry. Many of these theories ended up later being true, like the NSA data collection, dangers of asbestos, Iran-Contra affair, Watergate, etc. The only thing that should be banned on social media is inciting violence, like the Assassinate Trump hashtags that were trending on Twitter last night.
You get an A+ for avoiding the issue of the article and contradicting yourself. If “FB is a private company and can do whatever they want” why would you have a problem with them doing what the author argues for in the article? Further you laughably name four things once considered conspiracies as a way to legitimize ALL conspiracies as having equal value because in the future they MIGHT be true. The deferral of fact and evidentiary support to an idea should absolutely not be endorsed. This is exactly the kind of thing Biddle is arguing for: social media companies taking the issue of information and media literacy seriously and implementing a way to enable people to tell the difference between a conspiracy theory like, say, Birtherism, or the notion that the Aurora shooting was an inside job designed to encourage gun legislation and more substantive claims like the ones you mention, rather than to normalize ALL CONTENT (meme, conspiracy theory, film trailer, news article) as having equal truth value.
For every conspiracy theory that proved to be true, hundreds were simple cases of slander.
When all the birther stuff was being spread on Facebook I waited in vain for one single person to say that it wouldn’t have mattered if Obama were born on the moon; As long as his mother was a citizen, her child was a citizen.
I have since been subjected to thousands and thousands of completely made up stories presented as Facebook memes and presented as being true. One thing that is true, is that if Facebook can ban boobs, it can ban fake news. It’s not that difficult.
It would be easier to adopt Disqus instead of Facebook, since reforming the latter would about like reforming the Third Reich.
Sam, Facebook is an equal-opportunity exploitable.
Your bias came through like a gamma-ray burst.
I agree with your assessment of the role information plays in making a decision. We all process information in order to determine our choices and decisions and we must acquire that information from somewhere. But to establish responsibility of our own individual choices on the information itself as well as the source of that information is disingenuous. Your conclusion that Facebook (and Zuckerberg) has a duty to society to alter its product, change its business or most dangerously modify its content in any way to reflect any viewpoint is highly redolent of propaganda. Freedom of ideas is built on our ability to choose our source of information regardless of the favoritism of others. Facebook is merely a technical tool that makes that more possible. The moment any one individual or group of individuals influences those ideas is the moment that our freedom is removed. I, like you, recognize the problem of such a tool available to society for use but would address the fallacy of interpretation and implementation rather than assimilation. It’s not the fault of the hammer for a poorly constructed house.
Fact checkers? Where would one go to fact check claims that are made when all media has either a left or right agenda.
Did America vote for the wrong person? You are sounding rather elitist. I am neither left or right but a Canadian observing from afar.
So, you seem to be urging censorship? Better to urge critical thinking. Media is so obvious when acting to protect well heeled toes from “noisesome outsiders.” Blaming social media platforms for the failure of an extraordinarily disliked and distrusted candidate who, to a shocking and terrifying degree, was relentlessly shoved at people by a media with heads apparently still firmly implanted in anuses, wake up.You guys still don’t get it. You’re blaming the equivalent of the old Weekly World News Report, dubious scandals of “the stars” and two-headed dragon discoveries- this kind of fare is as old as typesetting, and to blame the failure of a candidate rife with easily discovered and proven actual scandals as well as 82% of legacy media (minimum) carrying her water as skeletons pop out of her pantsuits with alarming regularity is deeply childish. The problem with Hillary Clinton is now, and always has been, Hillary Clinton. You people crushed the true left and still got President Trump. Are you going for 8 years or are you gonna stop this crap and be journalists instead of Democrats who write?
“Better to urge critical thinking.” Exactly. It is the job of the individual citizen to process and make sense of the world around them and so to deal with same rationally.
The author seems to want to perpetuate the disastrous trend we’ve had of letting our “betters” think for us. That anti-critical thinking, anti-personal-responsibility has resulted in a generation of young people (not all, but far too many) who are functionally useless requiring someone in charge to tell them what to think and to give them what they feel entitled to.
When they don’t get what they want, some cry and squeal, others riot, as we are seeing.
They could start with filter algorithms that check shared links for grammatical errors. I would assume that would help weed out the quality of information being shared via those sketchy links. Also apply the 20% text rule when sharing image based memes that contain way too much text, they do it for paid advertising. Or we could all just unplug. It wasn’t until Facebook became a business model with algorithms that placed everyone in their own respective echo chamber. So a user only sees what they want to see. Ironic it was a place for fostering connections, now just a forum for condescension.
Your algorithm idea could have the effect of silencing less educated classes. Do we want that? And anyway, educated people with great grammar and punctuation deliberately spread misinformation too.
Somewhat agree, but only because it is emerging. We’re swimming in that crap and our gills will adapt. There is a rising bar now and some people are not going to transition. But the free channels passing toxic waste may get replaced, when the readers replace their news acquisition skills. So I’m not worried. People somehow know about the stuff they’re chewing on and they cannot cut their teeth on milktoast. We need to allow them to walk down the dangerous path of self-selection. This is the first time in history someone can immerse themselves in information markets. It’s a bad time, or a good time for people with schizotypal personality disorder. They can go astray and feel perfectly normal.
Facebook bears no responsibility for it’s site content in this regard, any more than you do. Individuals are responsible for vetting information themselves. You would do better to write an article instructing people on opening the article and analyzing it before reposting, responding, and forming opinions.
Here is the thing though, facilitating the mass transmission of things that look like news but are outright fiction when steps could be taken to aid readers in evaluating the credibility of content is either dangerously irresponsible or lazy.
Here’s more on this, a bunch of people talking about “clarifying” the Section 230 exemption that lets your internet provider not get jailed for failing to read and stamp-of-approval what you say:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/11/11/facebooks-fake-news-highlights-need-for-social-media-revamp-experts-say.html
I’m sure Peter Thiel will be in there soon enough, with lots of ideas.
The good news? Well, I bet Chinese ISP hosting is cheaper and hell, what’s the difference?
I love how only disinformation that doesn’t favor your result is given as an example. There’s no disinformation beneficial to the other side…noooo, none at all. It’s only the low information Trump supporters that get their news from Social media. Right. This is a blatant authoritarian plea to have your ideological friends filter news you don’t like. She lost. Get over it.
Stuff like anti-vax and GMO scare tactics make it through left wing circles. Most of it is total BS.
Well said. Call him out.
There is disinformation that benefited Hillary Clinton, but the when you compare the two you have to understand that Trump supporters disavowed what they saw as the Mainstream Media and in doing so detached from the traditional sources that people get their news. The institutions, that have messed up in the past, have decades of experience to judge them on.
While the intention is noble, this article demands the impossible. Each and every FB post would have to be investigated to determine if it is a lie, a guess, just a joke or actually being true. How do you propose to do that? How would you create algorithms that go out and determine the truthfulness of posts like “Hillary puts millions in hedge funds controlled by Saudi radicals” or ” Rumor has it Trump is gay”? In real time, mind you…
Fight ignorance by restricting access to information?
Brilliant!!!
There is already a move to disallow advocacy for BDS on Facebook; Zuckerberg seems quite receptive to the idea . Is that what you mean? The Cabinet department called Special Americans in Charge of No More Lies can call everything they don’t want anyone to hear anti-semitic or inaccurate or un-american, or insufficiently pro-glorious-leader, or yucky-poo. Then we could disallow search engines, movies and books that bother the department of Special Americans in Charge Of No More Lies. Soon everyone would be happy and uncontaminated by lies, just like you, just like ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, the NYT, the WSJ, People magazine and NPR. Just when everyone was getting used to all truth all the time, Facebook comes along and wrecks everything.
+ 100 @ Nir (got the /sarc) & jonabark .
Could not disagree more.
Facebook needs to be shunned, for the garbage that it is, frankly.
The post by Frank at 12:32 pm makes more sense than most of this article.
What happens when The Intercept publishes something that goes against the official story and is deemed “false”? Would it then be taken down from Facebook?
This is a dangerous path to go down and it’s strange to see The Intercept, of all places, advocating this position.
Ads Surreptitiously Using Sound to Communicate Across Devices
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/ads_surreptitio.html
“Privacy advocates are warning federal authorities of a new threat that uses inaudible, high-frequency sounds to surreptitiously track a person’s online behavior across a range of devices, including phones, TVs, tablets, and computers.
The ultrasonic pitches are embedded into TV commercials or are played when a user encounters an ad displayed in a computer browser. While the sound can’t be heard by the human ear, nearby tablets and smartphones can detect it. When they do, browser cookies can now pair a single user to multiple devices and keep track of what TV commercials the person sees, how long the person watches the ads, and whether the person acts on the ads by doing a Web search or buying a product.”
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States
“Experimental evidence of massive-scale emotional contagion through social networks”
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8788.full
https://www.wired.com/2014/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-facebooks-manipulative-experiment/
Fundamental Link Between Emotions And Sound Perception Identified In New Study
http://www.medicaldaily.com/fundamental-link-between-emotions-and-sound-perception-identified-new-study-247281
“We know the auditory cortex is involved, we know that the emotional response is important so the amygdala is involved, but how do the amygdala and cortex interact together?” says Geffen. “Our hypothesis is that the amygdala and cortex are modifying subcortical auditory processing areas. The sensory cortex is responsible for the changes in frequency discrimination, but it’s not necessary for developing specialized or generalized emotional responses. So it’s kind of a puzzle.”
“Liberals should demand better for the other half of the country — not just because their confusion helped elect Trump, but because no one deserves to live in internet-augmented ignorance.”
It’s precisely that snotty, pseudo-intellectual, elitist attitude that got Trump elected. You think liberals(your word) are sooooo intellectually superior that they are in a unique and special position to decide what other people should and shouldn’t see? Telling Trump supporters they were ignorant racists who don’t know what’s good for them only hardened their resolve and probably transformed 1000s of Trump “supporters” into “activists”.
“People will click on and share things they want to believe are true…”
There are plenty of left-wing echo chambers spreading ignorance and bullshit through memes and half truths. What makes that fake reality superior than some other fake reality?
The mainstream media has been spreading “anti-news” for decades. They’re just a little more subtle in their methods and are better at using smoke and mirrors to give their propaganda a veil of legitimacy. You really ought to read some of Glenn Greenwald’s articles pointing out the blatant failures and biases of the MSM. Then read “Manufacturing Consent” by Noam Chomsky.
You and your ilk are just pissed because you pulled out all of the stops and shed every vestige of your objectivity in an attempt to get Clinton elected … and you still LOST! Your days of telling Americans what to think are over.
Fuck you and your “Ministry of Truth”(be it public or private).
This.
Every word.
And I don’t begrudge you your anger, either. It is very late in the day. Let’s hope this is only American Berlusconi, and not vastly worse. Could turn out to be a vain hope.
Y’know, we did try to tell them.
What Frank said. ^^
Yes!
The formation of echo chambers is a very well known phenomena that is the result of human nature (go and read about Schelling’s models if you verify). Facebook has put them in our cellphones, but they exist all around us. The universities are as much echo chambers for the left as economically depressed towns where for Trump.
Fact checking and listening to the other side are not trivial. From the ancient philosophers to Wikipedia, people have tried to solve the problem with limited success. There are technological approaches like the ones from Pocket and Facebook (yes, Facebook), but you cannot expect a trivial solution for a complex problem. If knowing the truth and empathy were trivial, well… you would be writing a different article.
Yes, we are all very angry. Both sides have very good reasons and very bad reasons to be. Yes, echo chambers are a problem. But the root of the problem is not Facebook. If we want to change things we need to swallow our arrogance, take a good hard look at our own echo chambers, and then try to talk to the other side.
Really agree with Frank apart from the FU. But definitely F your Ministry of Truth. But you may find a welcome reception to this idea in the Trump cabinet.
The only way you can have freedom of speech is to give it to everyone.
Well said.
Your opening example of a social media individual mislead thereby, Melanie Austin, is a poor choice to use as she was a low functioning person spotlighted very unfairly in Washington Post by Stephanie McCrummen. You should read article by Chelsey B. Coombs;
https://medium.com/@chelseybc/on-that-washington-post-piece-you-keep-sharing-b86d7f0283b2#.9kacn1h0y
“The part that troubles me so much is that Melanie Austin isn’t your run-of-the-mill Trump supporter. She is someone who has a mental illness, and she was very clearly taken advantage of.”
I wonder what kind of article you will write about Facebook when they take your advice and start censoring postings by users and journalists – you know – for our own good.
right. censorship by facebook. that ought to go over well with everyone.
But what do you mean by “quality control”? How can Facebook fix this problem?
Yes, Facebook has become a primary source of news for many Americans but indeed the site is filled with fake news stories. Since this accelerating proliferation of fake news presents a challenge to democracy, a solution is crucial. Though Facebook has a (hard to find) false news story reporting tool, it’s not enough. However, digital media technology can offer an effective remedy. Several years ago, Editor & Publisher proposed that legitimate news sources display their adherence to the Society of Professional Journalist’s Code of Ethics by creating an official “seal of news integrity” and displaying it on their websites. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/columns/editorial-in-news-we-trust/) The seal would signify a news outlet’s “moral and professional obligation to report objectively”. Though the proposal was ignored by the news industry at the time, news industry leaders should now give the idea serious consideration. Once this kind of seal is adopted, Facebook (and other social media outlets) could code its newsfeed to automatically highlight such legitimate sites, alerting users that they are reading a credible article – and alerting them when they’re not. Though the development and implementation of such a system would take time, coordination and effort, the dynamics of the 2016 election require that the news industry and Facebook work diligently to deliver a solution that protects the integrity of journalism and an informed citizenry.
Last I checked, Facebook is a private company, not a non-profit public good will agency. People need to learn to do their own research and discover that institution called a ‘library’ and something called ‘books’ and ‘periodicals’. With Facebook, the users are the product, to sell to the highest corporate bidder. Do you really think Facebook has anyone’s good will in mind? People will need to learn to seek answers out of the Facebook and Twitter-o-sphere.
The vast majority of Americans people are :
(1) not taught to do their own research
(2) never enter a library
(3)do not like/read books
(4)do not like/read periodicals.
If anyone DOES try to educate him/her/self they are immediately sneered at and called ” élite” (wrong use of the word).
Yes, Sam it’s Facebook’s fault that Trump was elected!?! It has nothing to do with the fact that Hilary Clinton should have been in jail for numerous offences but the most important being multiple counts of willfully (because why else setup your OWN email server) mishandling classified information, or the fact that she doesn’t in any way represent anyone but the elite (explaining the depth of ignorance of those who voted for Hilary who was NEVER EVER going to do anything but a line by line checklist of everything that the elite wanted including TPP, TTIP, TISA, two tier justice system for the elites and the rest of us, continuing the murder of the American population through vaccinations, GMO crops, pesticides, herbicides, fracking, the corruption of the definition of organic foods, wars, the murders of the leaders of other countries, bailouts and the continued transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class to the elite all the while piling more and more debt on to the general population) which everyone with half a brain is absolutely certain will do all of it because of the various email hacks versus someone who despite his bombastic, misogynistic language early in the campaign and his off the cuff comments later in the campaign, in his speeches across the countries at least talked to the concerns of the 95+ million who have given up looking for work as well as those struggling to get by while doing work either as a waiter or with two or three part time jobs. The fact is that we cannot be certain of what Trump is going to do but we already know what Clinton is going to do!!!
And you’re blaming Facebook for Trump being elected?!? As though all the news on Facebook favourable to Clinton (like the polls) we’re absolutely true, and the news favourable to Trump was false!?! As someone who is a political atheist I have to ask what are you smoking?
“The fact is that we cannot be certain of what Trump is going to do but we already know what Clinton is going to do!!! ” and that’s why I voted for Trump. I’m not interested in 4 more years of the Bill and Hillary Show.
Oh I see – “we should demand from them (Facebook) some accountability for their role in spreading the present toxic sea of deliberate misinformation and non-factual chaos.”
Like this toxic sea of chaos is of a different order of ‘non-factuality’ from the iPhone photos of drunken parties, the arrogant rantings of any anrgy citizen, or the self-satisfied hipster cacophony flashing across FB feeds ALL DAY EVERY DAY EVERY YEAR. Facebook is a technology company – it invented technology and then marketed it effectively. That’s how it got the 361bil market capitalization. Apparently a toxic sea of chaos is PRECISELY what both the citizenry and the market makers desire.
“We owe it to ourselves, regardless of party affiliation, to demand some quality control from Facebook.” The only quality control available on that platform is the off switch. Get real people. The world is exactly what it wants to be.
Facebook is just a medium / technology platform that people use to communicate. The content of the communication originates from citizens who post them. Facebook can’t be expected to play police and decided what content to black out. Facebook can facilitate/train law enforcement to track down the source so that they can take necessary actions but
I can stand at a town square and say that I heard that Hillary screwed us over Benghazi. Is is the mistake of the mike/loudspeaker manufacturer ? Or the architect who designed the square in such a manner that the voice can be heard louder/farther and hence by more people ? Or is it my mistake since I’m spreading unverified information against another citizen.
I can call up a voter on her mobile and say something ludicrous about Trump? Is this Verizon’s mistake ? Or my mistake ?
I believe that the root cause of this misery is that we have become very impulsive individuals unable and unwilling to objectively analyze incidents or verify information about individuals. Especially during the course of this elections, we have been willing to believe anything negative said about both candidates. It is neither campaign’s mistakes. They will take any opportunity to feed off our vulnerabilities to create doubt about the opposition. It is OUR fault that we believe anything negative. It is our mindset that needs to change. We need to start to behave less like cows in a herd or like those fickle crowds in Shakespeare novels and use our God-give/evolution-given brains to filter out facts and base our decisions upon that. Blaming Facebook/Twitter is just a cop-out!!
I imagine the political record of the Clintons played the biggest role in Trump’s victory, not social media. They led the pro-corporate Blairite transition in the Democratic Party, which has proven to be highly unpopular with the general public (which is not surprising, as these policies are designed to enrich the wealthy by stripping assets from the middle class):
https://shadowproof.com/2016/11/09/hubris-democratic-elites-clinton-campaign-gave-us-president-trump/
As far as Facebook, that’s an outlet for the brainwashed spoon-fed media zombies, the equivalent of watching cable news outlets like CNN. They got everything wrong, too; because they’re not journalists, they’re anti-journalists, they specialize not in reporting facts, but in creating narratives that are not anchored in reality. It’s mostly propaganda, stories designed to influence the public to take a given course of action (buy a product, support a political candidate, cheer for the invasion of a foreign country, etc.).
Regardless, the argument that’s it’s Facebook’s fault is bogus; if CNN wasn’t able to manipulate the public into supporting Hillary Clinton with bogus news reports (and even feeding debate questions to the Clinton campaign), how could Facebook do so? If Facebook only linked to CNN stories, would Trump have been defeated? I doubt it. Trump voters would merely have abandoned Facebook for sites that had pro-Trump bloggers, say Youtube. So should Youtube have taken down all pro-Trump videobloggers? Should we call for state censorship of all media outlets for benefit of Wall Street’s preferred candidate? Now that would be fascism.
If the media had done its job, Clinton would not have been the Democratic candidate. The problem is that the media resolutely backed Clinton and refused to investigate Clinton Foundation scandals and private email scandals and her rabid pro-war foreign policy (which Americans are obviously getting tired of) and the Wall Street speaking fees and the shady ties with the Saudis and Israelis and arms dealers – particularly during the primary. The reality is, Hillary Clinton came with too much baggage and should have been eliminated during the Democratic primary – but the process was rigged, superdelegates pre-selecting Clinton and by DNC manipulation of debates and by Clinton-aligned media outlets and by the refusal to allow independents to vote. So the corporate elite candidate (Clinton) was selected over the populist candidate with millenial backing (Sanders). Result: Donald Trump victory.
Conclusion: Clinton supporters have nobody to blame but themselves for this debacle.
Absolutely agree with everythin you said, but very specially with your last paragraph. Trump won because he fought a candidate that did not have true people support and was imposed by the elites, in an obvious antidemocratic party that has lost touch with real citizens and cares more about drones than middle class families and workers. The party elites now talk about populism…yeah well.they let it in because they were actually hyper authoriatarian.
Orson Welles did a radio show about a martian landing and the whole country freaked out. Mc Carthy told us Commies were everywhere. Bush told us on TV that there were WMD’s in Iraq. “There is a sucker born every minute” We need critical thinkers which can only be attained through education. On FB you could sell people the Brooklyn Bridge. Should I be censored before hand because somebody might believe that something is true on FB. We have been down this road before. People are gullllible. They believe what they want to believe and NO AMOUNT OF CENSORSHIP will help.
FB is a fraud 1/100 of what they present themselves. They are founded by NSA money to be acceptable a entrepreneurial big brother back when 2004 NSA spied illegally.
The FB’s repugnant manipulation of people’s opinions would warrant immediate dismantling of this behemoth if we have lived in democracy since it is a primary tool designed to subvert it.
But there is one more lesson to learn and as important:
In open defiance of American imperial power we proudly declare that we, American people, hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal and stay equal or equitable in regard to all facets of socio-economic, religious and political life within American society as long as they shall live as a necessary condition for any democratic system.
As a matter of fundamental social justice and for safety of future democratic system or just sanity, no man woman or child shall be granted no right no reason, no exception in the world, in heaven or on earth, to be allowed to accumulate or have under control a wealth of one billion dollars or more even if he/she is a superman or woman, king of beheaders or epidermic queen of sloth, honest thief or thieving banker, Hollywood fickle celebrity on drugs or hard headed propagandist pundit living on booze, dwarf genius from BoonGoogle or detestable retarded robot from Assbook, oracle from Nebraska or decomposing Hungarian Jew from London, free market worshiping grocery monopolist or free trade worshiping IP protectionist, crooked senator or lying politician, former corrupted government official selling access or army general selling weapons, former disgraced president or future disgraced president, nobody, nobody at all.
Nobody, I say nobody deserves to control wealth of one billion dollars or more for any reason at all and all remaining oligarchs with less than a billion dollars must come up with pretty good explanation for how and why they stole it from blood, sweat and tears of millions of hard working people in the world before they loose it and return from their sick delusional dream of grandeur and superhumanity into physical and social reality shared by all of us.
Unfortunately, in society where half are on psychotropic drugs and the rest is scared to death by the brutal regime security forces, everything goes even absurdity.
The solution is obvious: in the 1950s and early 1960s, personal income for the billionaire class was taxed at 90% rate. So if you ran a monopoly and took in a billion dollars, you ended up with $100 million and the government took the rest to finance things like infrastructure (interstate highways, water systems, etc.). This is the model to go back to; the U.S. economy was in very good shape under this policy.
Such policies also promote wealth re-investment in private business (profits reinvested in business development, such as R&D, are taxed at a much lower rate than if pulled out of the business as personal income).
Basically, these were all FDR New Deal policies and they made perfect sense, and should be re-implemented today.
You people have been complete liars for decades. EVERYTHING you share is based on lies.
Care to aim the scrutiny at “hands up, don’t shoot?” How about the lies you’ve pushed about gamergate and the Alt-Right? What about the Rolling Stone rape hoax and all the other rape hoaxes pushed since Tawana Brawley. The media is a tool of the leftist establishment and it must be purged for the good of the nation.
We are now fighting fire with fire, and suddenly there’s a problem. Don’t be surprised when President Trump is not only reelected, but will also go down in history as one of our greatest.
The leftist paradigm is dead.
Sorry
We will not let you turn America and Britain into present day South Africa and Zimbabwe, and most certainly but Detroit!
It is hardly “obvious” that President Trump is power hungry. He was already wealthy beyond belief. He couldn’t have cynically wanted power for its own sake; he would have run as a Democrat, or at least as a RINO like Paul Ryan. Trump willfully spoke truth to power. He took on BOTH parties, the corporate plutocracy, Wall Street, and the souless, hate-filled, treasonous media.
As for the ready of if; claims of racism, bigotry, blah blah, are still going to be made (leftists and nsrcissists always double down), but it will not only bounce off of us, it will fuel us.
The Alt-Right is the future of the west in the 21st century. That is where the strongest and most dynamic minds are gathering. The promises of the 1960s failed utterly. Civilization has actually sunk backwards. You have had over fifty years to produce the utopia your prophets conjured. Where is it? I know you probably deny black on white and Asian crime but Colin Flaherty has shattered the old narrative. I know you probably deny latino on black ethnic cleansing in Southern California but your own leftist newspapers have revealed it.
California is the perfect example of what you want. It is no longer America. It is a bankrupt, culture less, stagnating, one party state where 50,000 high I.Q. people leave every year, and are promptly replaced by 150,000 low I.Q. illegals.
Call me racist. Deny these facts. We are no longer speculating. We have seen your philosophy in action. You have insisted that “race matters” for so long that we of Heritage America have begun to agree. Race matters. Now how about that “dialogue” you’ve always claimed you wanted?
Humanity cannot be remade by warm and fuzzy emotions. Human nature is the result of an epoch of natural selection. The reason white leftists attack their own race is either 1) they are wealthy enough to increase their power through soft genocide or 2) they are the bottom rung of whites and naively serve as useful idiots for the strong of other tribes, all because if their resentments developed in adolescence.
It’s all out in the open. It’s all exposed. We will not be displaced in our own homelands. We will never be slaves. The beauty, glory, and brilliance of Western Civilization and the tribes who have crafted it just and shall be preserved at all costs. It turns out we have a heritage too!
I couldn’t agree more about California, the Democratic ‘liberal utopia’ is slowly degenerating into fascisoid nightmare. Cue SB 277 “for the greater good” mandatory vaccine law, for starters.
People need to learn to be more media-savvy and develop the ability to critically handling the media. Its neither Facebook’s nor Googles fault that people are to lazy to do their own research.
Dear Sam Biddle,
Facebook is shit. Always has been always will be. That you are a grown man worrying about it is rather sad. That you are blaming an election result on it even sadder.
The way to deal with things that are rubbish is to not use them. When you do use rubbish things it makes the people who make them believe they are right, it makes them richer and more powerful and rather unlikely to listen to a few moaning voices like yours.
Another thing you seem to miss is that many things are “rubbish” for a reason, usually as it is that part that makes them the real money. Facebook’s sole purpose is to make its owners stinking rich and they do that by selling your information to whoever will pay and by running adverts and promotions to the highest bidder.
By NOT using them you avoid endorsing that behaviour, but you must accept others are more than happy to join in. In a free market democracy the Bell Curve rules, and the Bell Curve is dominated by people of average intelligence and means. Politicians know this, businesses know this. Plato knew this 2,500 years ago, hence is dislike of democracy and his promotion of the wise Philosopher-Kings – an entity neither Clinton nor Trump even start to resemble, even if you screw your eyes real tight and squint.
If smart and principled people ruled the world, Steven Hawkins would be God-Emperor of Arrakis transformed into a Sandworm by now.
Trump won because huge numbers of people in America are bigoted fascists and his opposition was seen as even worse than him by millions. You can blame Facebook for this, but I blame AMERICANS. You believe you are Exceptional. You believe the world needs your purchases and your culture and your wisdom and your constant meddling interference.
We don’t.
Americans love to criticise the rest of the world for failures in their democratic processes but here you are now with a perfectly sound democratic decision having been made and you are all complaining about that.
Clinton lost because she has no policies beyond putting her fat, sagging arse on the chair inside the Oval Office. Trump won because out of a nation of 300+million people NOT ONE SINGLE DECENT INDIVIDUAL could stand up and say “This is all truly horrible and we need to fix this, please follow me into a brighter, fairer, safer future”. NOT FUCKING ONE.
After having a black man in the White House for the last decade near enough, you still have chronic racial tension and an organisation called Black Lives Matter.
After murdering the alleged perpetrator of a 15 yea-old act of terrorism some 5 years ago and counting, you still have troops in a country you wrongly accused of aiding him, even though it turns out he was hiding in you allies back yard.
You are a nation that has gone Beyond Wrong and the only people that are to blame are ALL OF YOU. Your taxes fund it all. Your votes and lack of protests endorse it all. Your indifference to it and your continued consumption of its partisan press enable it all. Your Three Monkeys act with your heads firmly shoved up your arses ensures that it all ticks along without a moment’s hiccup.
Bernie Saunders was the closest you got to a Decent Representative to the Human Race and he sold you down the Clinton river without a moment’s pause for thought. He was a charlatan, a sham, a Pied Piper leading you off to the Democrat Tune.
But you are supposed to be a cutting-edge journalist in an edgy and award-winning news site, not a whiny little shit upset by just another greedy US corporation that has never once set out to seek your approval.
As a former teacher of kids between 12 and 18 years old I can safely say the vast majority of them outside of the West show a level of understanding and mature awareness of the world that you sadly lack.
In Thailand we used Facebook and Line to kick out the most corrupt PM this country has had – we didn’t sit around reading his bullshit on it, we turned around and stuffed it back up his arrogant but ultimately doomed arse.
To summarise: Many US corporations are often rather openly and sometimes covertly just out-and-out utter cunts. Ergo: Don’t use their products.
How is this article NOT advocating for suppressing free speech? Doesn’t free speech include the right to post what one believes, whether it is true or not?
I am an atheist; but I should NOT be allowed to prevent people from writing about a God that I truly believe is a LIE and they truly believe is REAL.
Free speech is offensive, get used to it.
Censorship by billionaires is not the answer.
the notion that we have Free Speech is a myth. It’s only free within limits. Facebook sets the limits on its platform. Period. The internet itself has limits — try keeping a site up that talks about assassinating President Trump. The First Amendment does not confer ANY right of speech. What it does is place a limit on the power of one branch of government, the Legislative, to control speech. And even that limit is as much myth as reality now.
Meh I’m an entitled liberal just off from blaming Johnson voters for the election result, now let me blame facebook because they didn’t censor Trump sufficiently. Watch this space, Monday I will reveal how Putin did it all followed by the it-was-really-the-Chinese inside scoop towards the end of the week.
Glen, I understand the increased exposure puts you under pressure to have more articles on this page, but too much is too much.
Don’t forget Social Media is not the only place that polarized a lot of people.
Journalism takes a huge part here as well because of their commercialization.
(Big) News corporations used to bring the people mainly ‘facts’, but nowadays are they’re more and more drawn to sell ‘sensation’. Which allows (sensational) people with lies and confusion to take place at the main stage of our attention. And as we’ve learned from the ad industry: No mater how a bad or tacky a commercial is, as long as we see it 10 times a day, we’re more likely to buy or engage with the product.
BUT instead of externalizing all these problems, let’s look at ourselves. WE are the ones that encouraged all the companies to go this way. We are the consumers. We bought it all. We buy it all. And probably keep buying it for a while. Because guess what: News seems to be addictive.
PS:
Because both ‘facts’ and ‘lies’ belong to the freedom of speech. It would be dangerous to ban one of these from anywhere.
Problem number 1, which lies to suppress? There are so many lies, deliberately distorted half truths, and even truths that, by selective omission of context and incompleteness, leave one with impressions and emotional responses that are different than what full knowledge would produce, in what ‘everyone knows’ (and even the history books and other sources that ‘fact checkers’ rely on) to make that a question that can be ignored.
Problem number 2, which truths to suppress? See above.
Problem number 3, keeping an audience. Credibility and popularity of a news source is not based on accuracy, but likeability, much though people are comforted by the notion that the opposite is true. Yes, one could leverage market dominance/ubiquity through preinstallation to make sure that users of computers/pads/phones had to actively ignore this dreamed of fact only news source, but that would only move the battlefield of disinformation to the ownership of tech companies.
I wish The Intercept didn’t close comment sections so darn fast, because I can’t post “I told you so” to the article where I said that Ecuador would never restore Assange’s internet: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article113963953.html
There are medium-is-the-message things about modern technology that transcend all politics, and one of those is that the private ownership model means that whenever comments become inconvenient, they are always ‘temporarily’ suspended, forever.
Utterly unbearable… Didn’t I read this SAME article in Huffington Post. (Shamefully, yes I did). Mark’s a schmuck, but this is grasping at burning straws. Suggesting that Facebook should DO SOMETHING to halt the spread of any information is a shrug in favor of a dangerous, Trump-like censorship and really, if we’re going THERE, then we must apply the constraints to “news” media who colluded with a political party, falsified information, manipulated the narrative of the Dem campaign and was caught red handed doing it. If this is to be taken seriously, if Facebook should be held responsible for editting its content and scanning for falsehoods, heads should ROLL and arrests need to be made in the arena where it occurs on a daily basis. (Looking at you, CNN).
When is all this post-traumatic blamey crap going to stop? I blame Hillary She was a terrible candidate and the nation rejected her. She came in second to… TRUMP. Oh god. Now, let’s get to work.
I don’t recall the God-Emperor, PRESIDENT Trump, censoring anyone?
It is the Stazi on the left who censor. The Internet has smashed that. One by one the Internet and alternative media will wake up many current leftists. They will finally wake up to the realization that it’s the LEFT that is ELITIST and that race replacenent is soft GENOCIDE (see the official U.N. definition). They will demand that the illegal invaders be sent back to their homelands, for the sake of the lives and futures of our children.
And it will just get better. Every year, we “deplorables,” with our attractive, conservative, feminine Melanias, will have twice the children of the leftists, and because they can only keep up with mass immigration and race replacement, we will create a permanent majority in which nationalism is a given.
So wait – You’re actually accusing FACEBOOK of handing out misleading information to users, who are not capable to think critically? Hold on – Where’s your post about ALL the News Channels in America? Even freaking Newspapers. Everything is biased and to some extent misleading (even in its simplest forms through overdramatizing or using specific words). Why is everyone picking out Facebook, if a lot of people are also quoting Newspapers and CNN / Fox News Videos on their feed while believing that this is the absolute truth? IMO you’re just criticizing the wrong entity in this whole context..
Stop trying to be thought police. No one wants to live in your backwards censored speech totalitarian idea for a county. I’m young, so every friend I had on facebook posted anti Trump content and their social justice warrior agenda. And I still voted Trump, because humans are smart and they seek out their own information. If I wanna say that Hillary Clinton has a brain disease, whether I truly believe it or I just think her brain makes stupid decisions, I can say that. Because my reasons for saying something is none of your business. I don’t understand how you idiots can’t grasp the importance of free speech. It separates us from all the shitty countries that do censor facebook. Go home. This is such a garbage article.
how is building this system gonna help as it will end up being used to block intercept articles and democracy now links. information has always been biased, even good information. the power of internet is giving the possibility to emit and receive any news. we need to teach ourselves how to judge and digest this information, not build censorship tools that will undoubtedly fall in the wrong hands.
Didn’t know this about FB as I rarely read it’s news and only used it in the past for promoting local interests and trainings. What Direct Action do you suggest?
Get a f’ing grip! Facebook did NOTHING to spread false information. No more that people gathered around the water dispenser! It is GOSSIP and the only people responsible for it are the ones spreading it. If anything, Facebook is merely a reflection of the real world interactions between individuals.
The so called mainstream media completely lost credibility during this election cycle. Social media and email distro list “news” filled that vacuum.
Don’t attach social media. Instead focus on fixing biased news reporting so that we don’t need to turn to social media for information.
Facebook isn’t a news source. It’s an echo chamber in a fun-house. A complete waste of time enjoyed by millions.
Facebook is for the lazy minded who want someone else to tell them what to think and do.
There are other social networks that are private, encrypted, allow pseudonyms and allow you free speech.
People just have to get over the apparent, but altogether media theater created, popularity of Facebook.
But you won’t. Because you think it’s to easy to make money from Facebook. Another fallacy, but some clutch the lies to their chest like their favorite childhood stuffed animal.
We, as a worldwide public, can change the way the Internet is used simply by refusing the corporate oligarch’s directions to use it as they please.
Are we free people, or slaves?
I agree and honestly people have to take responsibility for themselves and not believing that echo chamber. We must cultivate a culture of personal responsibility alongside a curb of uncontrolled power from social media sites. We need more news sites to point out the echo chamber nature of facebook in order to point out to people that they can’t believe everything on there.
As of the third quarter of 2016, Facebook had 1.79 billion monthly active users
I agree. Happily Facebook-free.
Me too- though I wish my “fan page” was down.
Facebook is still in its infancy, so be patient. Eventually each person will be given their own virtual reality, constructed to suit their particular personality, prejudices and predilections. Each person could have their own custom tailored existence where, for example, they had just been elected president and were preparing to tackle the problems of the world.
If the author doesn’t like this future, that’s fine. But he has to offer something better than reality.
“Each person could have their own custom tailored existence”
Technology can do it and technology has started doing it.
Everyone will be happy with a customised newsfeed, telling them that their favourite candidate has won. Nothing to protest against.
At least in the short term, it is unlikely, anyone will notice any changes to the system.
I just got around to reading this, and just sat blinking at my screen for a bit.
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Nothing reveals as much about a person as the lies they tell. I am very suspicious when someone tells nothing but the truth; it’s almost impossible to figure out their agenda.
“I am very suspicious when someone tells nothing but the truth; it’s almost impossible to figure out their agenda.”
Aint that the truth…
Facebook minders conveniently didn’t know there was something called Vietnam War.
Any one who hasn’t figured out that the googles, facebooks, instagrams etc are all AND HAVE BEEN FROM DAY ONE, creatures of the totalitarian state is a moron.
Freedom of speech includes lying. Learn to accept it.
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Amplifying it isn’t.
Learn to understand it.
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Try to understand that.
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I’ve got this hammer. I keep smashing my head with it. I demand a different shape hammer!
Garbage In. Garbage out.
Let’s be honest: We have not evolved enough to handle social media.
When one lives their life by feeling like they “have to” share everything with the world, they’re really not living a life.
“News” organizations so obsessed with getting clicks that they move from reporting the need to creating the news by writing stories about what people you’ve never heard of and have no credentials think about something that a public figure said or did; have lost all credibility.
They are under pressure from Israel:
Facebook’s Zuckerberg has blood of slain Israeli teen on his hands
A top Israeli minister on Saturday lambasted Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg for allowing Palestinian incitement and hate speech to run rampant on his social media site. Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan (Likud) charged that Facebook hinders Israeli police efforts to catch terrorists, and declared that Zuckerberg has “some of the blood” of slain Israel teenager Hallel Yaffa Ariel on his hands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-facebooks-zuckerberg-has-blood-of-slain-israeli-teen-on-his-hands/
Also for not censoring BDS.
Perfect. The killers now claim to be victims. Israelis already met with Z as did the Indians and chinese to make sure appropriate content controls are in place.
This hullabaloo is now just to make it look like big Z is not censoring the oppressed.
Censor away. The truth will come out one day.
Censor BDS? This is a critical movement to try to slow down the Israeli human rights violating machine that violently targets the Palestinian people. Israel moved on their settled land, ghetto-ized, implanted a brutal police and surveillance state, and kills them with impunity. The zionists took everything the nazis used against them in Europe and instituted it against the Palestinian people. Not to mention the Israeli government takes Americas money in huge amounts, and proceeds to spy on America second to Russia and China.
So we are not going to stand for a peaceful divestment from this terror being censored .
Let me guess, because I don’t blindly support Israel I am antisemitic . (This is always the go-to reply to any criticism.)
or one could just stop using facebook…give me a like!
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“and if that team acted with only half the energy used to identify and banish nipples from the site,”
really? this is what facebook does? what if a woman used an image tool and removed her nipples and put them on her knees or cheeks?
It’s kinda lame that all those articles are passed around. I constantly call out articles my friends post on fb. Now my friends are writing, “I know it’s fake but still interesting”. Still these fake articles are making they’re way to Disqus. And that’s infurating! They all believe it, except maybe 2-3 ppl on the comments with over 200 total comments. It’s a shame. Thats why it’s important to use independent news on a regular basis. Not as entertaining, I never expect news to be entertaining. Thats the problem!! Is ppl think news is suppose to as entertaining as television sitcom’s or reality shows. Silly.
Can’t seem to connect with you on Facebook. Interesting!!
When do you think begging the tyrants and their tools was effective in changing their minds.
Beg away.
“If he and his cadre are half as smart and committed to making the world better as they claim, they could fix their own company.”
FIX their (their?) own company?
1. generally idiots cannot compete and use more nefarious methods to get ahead and compete
2. suckerberg is an ally of goldman sachs which had a role in the housing scandal which was implicated for fraud and crashing the economy etc
3. facebook is a scavenging mechanism for personally identifiable information for branding people.
This is not a matter of intelligence. It is a matter of free speech, propaganda and the ability to fool America into war with WMD.
Regulate facebook at the expense of more legal shit? NOPE. Let the fake book earn it’s own reputation.
“But at the very least, we should demand from them some accountability for their role in spreading the present toxic sea of deliberate misinformation and non-factual chaos.”
The Articles I’ve read you are also guilty of this. Start blaming the people who really are an assault Debbie Wasserman Schultz Modesto the people who actually pushing this one candidate
Another piece of trash from you.. I find it hard to believe that they actually pay you for this trash.
lol somebodys butthurt. Way to accuse Biddle of spreading misinformation without providing an example! Fantastic way to present an argument. Ill leave you now to clean up the slobber no doubt dripping from your chin
According to something I read on the internet, FB sucks donkey doo doo and everybody that uses it is being suckered. FB user numbers are falling in the US, despite being inflated with accounts that haven’t been used in years and accounts from dead people.
Fact checkers found that statement to be completely accurate.
But they too operate in an echo chamber, so I would check other sources.
Be careful though, because many other sources say accurate but downright nasty things about the ethics of FB owners and executives… and it’s not just from the brave and oppressed Free The Nipple crowd.
And, for some reason, FB isn’t a good source for that information.
Don’t pray for an IT company to change, it will only get worse. The best solution is to change the system in favor of “free software ” (free as in freedom). That’s the kind of software Snowden used -there is an article about that here on Theintercept. This software is also used on the hadron collider in the Swiss-French border and on the International Space Station, it has endless posibilities for humanity.
Confirmation bias is way easier to design on Twitter than it is on Facebook. I follow only political sources I agree with on Twitter, yet I remain friends with conservatives on Facebook. Many people I know unfollow or unfriend people of different opinions on Facebook, but I don’t. It’s a choice. I want to hear their views. If it were not for Facebook, I wouldn’t ever hear conservative opinions, because the people I live next door to, socialize and work with are all liberals.
Nonsense. This ridiculous ‘logic’ is what the gun-control extremists use: It’s the gun that’s responsible.
Facebook is nothing more than a device for the millions upon millions of Americans who ooze venom and vitriol, and lack of capacity for reasoning, wallow in bigotry, bask in hate …
Blaming Facebook for all that is like blaming a gun for murdering people; like blaming a car driven by a drunk for mowing down a gaggle of nuns in a crosswalk.
Go take PHIL 102 Logic and Critical Thinking. You need it, badly.
“firehose of untrue media”
The MSM were the firehose of untrue news directed at Trump. Never in my old life have I seen most all of the MSM totally in the tank for Hellary.
Just like this article, total propaganda more outrageous than Pravda ever was.
Exactly right!
DA!
I’m no fan of Trump, but I agree on the media bit. I haven’t seen the media so stacked against one candidate since Ned Lamont beat Joe Lieberman.
Sorry but I have to disagree. First, all the cable “news” stations might as well have called themselves TrumpTV. They broadcast ALL his rallies from start to finish, especially during the primaries and at the beginning of the general election. I know because my employer played them ALL DAY LONG. And, in the spirit of fucking false equivalency, the mainstream media then equated using a private email server with the too many to list shit storms that surrounded Trump. When reviews were done on how much bad press each candidate got, Clinton ended up with much more bad press than Trump. And what is bad press anyway? Is quoting someone or playing a video using the man’s words bad press or just reporting the facts?
Thanks, Sam, for this important piece of thought and writing.
So Mark Zuckerberg and his board of directors would be in charge of cherry picking all the “truthful” communiqués via what sources? The New York Times? (see aluminum tubes story that led to war in Iraq) The Washington Post? (Russia was responsible for “hacking” Wikileaks Podesta emails)? What about Fox News, The Economist, the Nation, Alex Jones, Dr. Laura, Rush Limbaugh, are they trustworthy to the point of being infallible? Hardly.
Unfortunately truth is objective, and public record is considered fact. That being said let’s continue…
In your infinite wisdom you forgot to be outraged that a corporation can and does eliminate your first amendment rights by deciding what or what you cannot post for others to read. Already happened, Zuckerberg’s minions removed several of valid, true, factual, memes regarding Secretary Clinton from my wall during the primaries and I know others that had posts taken down that did not violate FB policy and were a matter of public record as well.
One could only imaging the influence FB could have in Sam’s Utopia of the new online censorship era of New Corporate World Order. New age online book burning anyone?
Free Speech is like anything else, filled with pros and cons. Every American’s right to speak their own mind should never be limited, stifled, or compromised in any way; especially by a massive global corporation. Though I do not believe in a neo-nazi movement, but I do believe in free speech. More importantly I do not have to listen to BS or read BS if I choose not to. A Facebook Page is not a constitutional right, and free speech should only be governed in regards to safety (i.e.: hate speech or you not screaming FIRE in a crowded movie house)
Facebook isn’t the problem, Hillary Clinton and the corrupted plutocrats polluting Democratic party are. Clinton knowingly and deliberately broke the law, lied about it and then had staff destroy all of the evidence, and the evidence was the property of the people.
The Freedom of Information Act is the closest thing the citizenry can get to subpoena power, and the FOIA is the only tool citizen’s and journalists have to seek actual truth.
By deliberately destroying 33,000 email communiqués Secretary of State Clinton eliminated the peoples ability to actually evaluate her performance as Secretary of State.
Please remember what transpired during her time as SOS. The Arab Spring, Arming rebels against Asad in Syria, Overthrowing Kadafi, the rise of ISIS, drones in Yemen and I am not even mentioning the “B” word.
Clinton’s emails contained crucial information critical to national security during this administration and may have proved crucially important to the subsequent administrations to come and American’s will never be able to access those historical facts.
I do not know of any innocent people that destroy that destroy evidence that do not have something considerable to hide.
Good point. But at least the news stations (except fox) try to keep to facts, even if it’s reported at a slant to further the companies agenda. What I think they are talking about is the onion type articles that come off as fact. The onion tells us they arnt ment to be taken seriously but alot of the conspiracy theory news agencies (info wars) and satirical news threads have stories with real facts but the article is phoney. So fact checkers wouldn’t fix that. It’s checking how honest the article is and in that sense your correct, it’s all objective. Nobody can police all news articles. Snoops tries, but the credibility of snoops has gone down. They were asked if an article on the NSA spying on Americans was true. Before Snowden. At the time there was nothing to support that artical as true so they called it fake. When Snowden went public ppl got mad at snoops. Redicules!! They are doing good work.
Unfortunately truth is objective, and public record is considered fact.
Truth is not objective opinion is but unfortunately we shall never know most truths.
Facebook hasn’t a damn thing to do with eliminating or anything else about your first amendment rights. Sam Biddle (and no one else whom I am aware of) is asking congress to pass a law that Facebook make a plan for allowing or disallowing this or that Facebook post.
Sam Biddle (and no one else whom I am aware of) is asking congress to pass a law that Facebook make a plan for allowing or disallowing this or that Facebook post.
What criteria will Facebook use to determine what is “truth” that will be allowed and disallowed? Sam wants us to ask Congress to pass a law giving private social media corporations the power to silence dissent through censorship. And how is that going to be any different from State Run Media. Is it Congress that will dictate truth? We all just saw how honest politicians are.
Bottomline is that it is better to self censor, read what you want, and absorb that is useful. If you don’t believe what you read look it up, curiosity is a wonderful thing that leads to better enlightenment. If you don’t like what you see or do not agree with move on, but that decision belongs to each of us and should never come and will never come from some government mandate .
Kitt what happens when it is your post that is truthful and insightful and will lead to honest dialog is ripped down by the corporate office at Facebook because it doesn’t fit Mark Zuckerberg’s political ideologies, or yours? You know, like what was imposed on Sanders supporters from the ownership of Facebook that has donated millions to the Clinton Super PACS.
Sam Biddle didn’t write that or ask that of us. If you believe he did, then quote directly from Sam Biddle writing that, or stop lying about it.
and then there is the case of the martian landing. Someone out in the middle of nowhere twitters & image things a martian craft and hollers – we’re being invaded by martians – panic time! And it get’s removed for yelling fire in a theatre. BUT WHAT IF IT WERE TRUE?
Q/A of FB smacks of censorship. We get enough mis-information and propaganda from MSM as it is. After all, no matter how you feel about this election’s results, MSM played much more of a role in passing on the Beltway party lines than social media. The difference is the MSM didn’t get it and to a great extent social media did.
Alternative views and opinions are necessary for perspective, even if warped by personal prejudices and/or agendas. It is up to us as adults to filter out the static in the message.
Social media is designed to be an echo chamber right about now. That’s why I always check on the sources of the information that show up in my feed.
Please note that a recent study found that 19% of all political Twitter postings in this election could be shown to be made by machines masquerading as people: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-11/uosc-ftr110416.php And a lot of those were lies.
It’s not just a muddle of misinformation, it’s an *organized* muddle of misinformation.
sounds like an episode in Blacklist.
HI Glenn. Another infiltrator of the corrrrupt establishment within the intercept ranks. The only censorship facebook is allowing is the one the guided hands Peking within facebook hired by the corrupt establishment where my postings as well as many other people postings are completely perpetrated as UNVISIBLE via alogarythms the infiltrators or the hidden hands have acces to for speaking truth and exposing the macabre clandestine luciferian novus ordos seclorum While cloaked in official public office and subverting USA-constitution, oppressing the poor by mediocre legal counsel, spying propaganda and clandestine use of alogarythms to make any person’s parings on social media UNVISIBLE. Will facebook fix why many posted comments are no where to be visible? Thank you facebook for looking into it:)))
For some reason, I thought this article might be about censorship, but I did not think The Intercept would espouse censorship. What does Glenn Greenwald think about attempting to suppress “an obvious, deliberate groundswell of misinformation and hate speech” and who decides to limit free speech? People on Facebook post bullshit and other people call them on it. Hate speech gets you unfriended. Haven’t you heard the Chris Rock joke: There’s an app to tell if your friends are racist–it’s called Facebook. Censorship is worse than being exposed to abhorrent views.
Using facebook is unethical. Most of their funding comes from horrible companies like McDonalds, Walmart, Chase Bank, etc. If you like to support criminals who poison the public, destroy main streets, and rob from common citizen, keep using facebook. Otherwise, read some real news, unplug from the internet, and get outside. Noobs.
There is a flip-side to this argument: a private company might start to become the unelected censors of public knowledge. That would be an even more scary place to be.
I guess, alternatively, they could create some kind of crowd-sourced system to evaluate truth/reliability, but how do you do that without falling into exactly the same confirmation bias we already have?
This seems like a hard problem to me.
Facebook is unfixable because of this. Users rest comfortable in a feather bed of confirmation bias blissfully unaware that theirs is a long sleep that drains their social energy into the coffers of Zuckerberg et al, leaving nothing to oppose the grinding reality beyond the screen.
This article, and this response, which I agree with, really highlight to me the complexity of figuring out and protecting the freedom of speech online without creating a platform for rampant untruths. For instance, Facebook could take on a team of fact-checkers, but how would they decide which posts to fact-check? Who sets their standards for acceptable truth? If articles have just a couple of lies but are mostly true, do they get deleted? Do they get edited? Does Facebook change its ranking algorithms? What ranking algorithms are in the best interests of a functioning democracy? Who decides? Yet Facebook presumably designs its algorithms so as to make money off ads, so there is already a bias. How do people using Facebook overcome an inherent programmatic bias if we’re not even sure what it is? And besides the larger reach that Facebook posts get, is this really any different from people spreading information or misinformation by just talking to one another? I’m not suggesting that I know the answers to any of these questions, but I don’t agree with outright censorship.
Thank God! Someone said it. This article is naive to say the least. Really doesn’t grasp what it’s asking for. I was really really surprised it is a piece in the intercept. Of all places, here. Buffeling
Thank God! Someone said it. This article is naive to say the least. Really doesn’t grasp what it’s asking for. I was really really surprised it is a piece in the intercept. Of all places, here.
A team of bi-partisan fact-checkers selected by an enormous corporation to delete “anti-news” from the personal feeds of individual users? What could possibly go wrong…
yes
Why do we have to beg for change from the social media overlords? It is OUR responsibility to disengage from organizations that are causing detriment to society. They don’t have to (and probably won’t) do shit. Permanently delete your Facebook accounts!!!
Bravo
Yup. My thoughts exactly. I can’t believe that I’m reading this on The Intercept.
“Liberals should demand better for the other half of the country…” Aw, do it for the benighted other folks.
Good lord, as if liberals were really the “reality-based community.” If you have liberal friends on facebook then what you’ve been seeing in the past few weeks include a lot of claims that PUTIN is behind all the leaks, that there is nothing whatsoever of interest in Hillary’s emails, that the media was out to get Hillary (LOL), etc., etc., Total bullshit for liberals, sent by liberals to other liberals.
Hey Sam, you calling for facebook to do something about that? Thought not.
Sam, your article sucks. You really need to get out of the bubble you live in.
“There underlying problem is that most social media allows for anonymous posting.”
no doubt that’s a problem for fascists like you
Sorry Biddle; but the DNC lost this fucking election because no one gives a shit about fact checking anymore. They should have energized their voters with more than half-hearted attacks on Trump; which simply turned into free advertising for his camp. They should have backed their own populist candidate instead of treating him like a bad joke up until he nearly snatched away the nomination. They should have dealt with the very real problems of corporate leniency and donor glad-handing; and the fact that they put forward the embodiment of the establishment in a time when both sides of the aisle are railing against it.
Facebook is a fucking mirror; not a news organization. I’m saying all of this as someone who voted for Clinton; and Sanders before her. The childish notion that the DNC’s narrow (and holy shit it was a narrow one) defeat was due to anything but their own absolutely godawful campaign is exactly that. Childish.
The old corporate friendly neo-liberal bullshit will have to die – NOW; or the left will not bounce back from this. Period.
Am I the only one who cannot figure out why this person, who couldn’t understand a joke tweet and then went on to ruin the life of a woman because of it, should be telling people what to do?
Given what we definitely know about the Clintons, and it is gargantuan in volume and sordid, how can you come forth about Trump telling lies and propagandizing . Really you can not be that dense.
Are you talking psychiatric medication? If so you might want to do some research as it seems likely your mind is not functioning at all well. For example, how can one of the very top officials in America, a Supreme Court Justice, die and not even be seen by any official. Then his body without an autopsy is cremated. Catholics usually are buried. This whole thing was very suspicious especially given some tidbits from Wikileaks. You need to go home, take a cold shower and do some hard thinking as you have been turned into a liberal non thinking robot.
Facebook is not unique in this regard. Wikipedia also serves as a megaphone for misinformation, and it is generally the first thing that comes up on a Google search.
Please include links.
Thank you.
You are right Facebook is not unique – it it just incredibly efficient at spreading lies by virtue of the addict’s dependency that large swathes of the population has developed. Wikipedia has several differences three of which are that you can assess the veracity of articles based on citations, you can view the history of the article and you can fix any falsehoods you believe exist. Facebook is just a stream of crap that you can try to eat the corn out of if you want.
You can fix any falsehoods you believe exist, provided that you have lots of allies who have years of experience “gaming the system” in Wikipedia’s byzantine system of rules. Basically, Wikipedia is run by gangs of senior editors and administrators who know how to use the site as a soapbox for their views, and if you try to interfere, it will take them about 5 minutes to get you banned from the site.
http://wikipediocracy.com/2015/08/16/a-compendium-of-wikipedia-criticism/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair
There underlying problem is that most social media allows for anonymous posting.
Any level of censureship is a slippery slope. BUT the identity of poster should be verified and show.
This would screen out a lot if trash postings.
And screen out a lot of women suffering from abusive stalkers; or those afraid their posts will lead to that And a lot people worried about future employment, especially considering employers now demand access to applicants’ social media, which you can pretend you don’t have if anonymous. And a lot of people worried about being added to government databases or no-fly lists or set up for entrapment based on what they post. And a lot of people worried about their identities stolen/their posting information being used to guess passwords or other scams.
And that’s just this country. Other countries will start jailing and beheading people for speech critical of the the regimes. Online voices will get a hell of a lot more silent from say, Qataris and Turks.
This
“It’s very disturbing to see the Intercept calling for censorship of social media”
and this
“[people] seem to assume Facebook does not already practice censorship. From section 5, item #2 of Facebook’s terms of service: “We can remove any content or information you post on Facebook if we believe that it violates this Statement or our policies.”
As usual, this is a discussion in which both sides are wrong. Yes, the intercept is mostly a bad joke calling for censorship and yes mostly everything is censored, except a few little corners like….the intercept’s comments section. A silver lining or something.
Wow. Hands down the worst I have ever seen in this site. Uhm, Iran was paid off, Benghazi did happen, and your blatant bias should eliminate you from being able to write for this site. How do you not see you are what you’re complaining about, and also spreading lies… Knowingly?
Shame on theintercept.com. how sad to see it turn into CNN 2.0
This is the article that has made me decide not to come back.
This article shows the Intercept is, to some extent, a kind of an echo chamber itself, despite the good work it often does. It’s typical for echo chambers to demand censorship of opposing echo chambers. And begging Zuckerberg to fix things is not just obsequious but shamefully naive. In every era there are those like Zuckerberg who profit by telling people what people want to hear and slanting it towards the interest of those who pay to manipulate minds, also known as advertisers. Zuckerberg’s intentions are more malicious than most but he’s not that special. I don’t see why the Intercept’s Sam Biddle identifies Zuckerberg and Sanders with technology — they represent a malicious force corrupting technology and information, they aren’t technology itself.
A positive model to look at is how in past centuries, reformers slowly but surely broke the grip of corrupt churches which indoctrinated the population with self-reinforcing beliefs. Those churches had more advantages than Facebook, but they lost. If you want to be on the side of truth and critical thinking, don’t spend your time putting down Melanie Austin, the Facebook-using Trump supporter in the story. Every movement includes some people like her, good people who have never encountered enough nurturing respect for their intellectual capabilities, and who find in fanaticism a validation for the spontaneous intelligent spark within them that never was given enough room to grow. The Intercept’s Sam Biddle invokes the terms of our country’s worship of technology-exploiting companies, praying for Mark Zuckerberg to cut off much of Melanie Austin’s Facebook feed. It would be a lot better if he, and the others who are tempted to find her views deplorable, went out and talked with people like her in a reasonable, open-minded way. Both sides would learn something and grow, though it certainly wouldn’t come easy, and you have to be willing to accept that you may start out with prejudices of your own. That’s what it’s like to seriously work towards truth and critical thinking, and it takes work. Every time you look at the ad-supported freebie media or nice-sounding ideas from your own bit of the political spectrum, you’re moving yourself away from the real democracy of talking with others who need your honest engagement.
What is this shit? No, The New York Times and The Washington Post do not deserve a monopoly on lying.
You *can’t* be serious. You want Facebook, or the government, or whoever, to censor the internet to allow only “factual” information. You know, like Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, the Russian “invasion” of Crimea, Putin’s manipulation of the US presidential election, Assad’s poison gas attack on Ghouta, our war with Eastasia (or was it Eurasia?), etc. Only “facts”.
What could possibly go wrong?
Facebook isn’t the Internet. Facebook operates over the Internet, nothing else.
That they have promoted themselves as the Internet is the lie. Dispense with it by learning what the Internet actually is.
It is disturbing to see everyone on this comment section calling out the author, as endorsing censorship, who seem to assume Facebook does not already practice censorship. From section 5, item #2 of Facebook’s terms of service: “We can remove any content or information you post on Facebook if we believe that it violates this Statement or our policies.”
Yes, the lack of understanding of what censorship even means, and the difference between government censorship and lack of transparency, plus the ability and power that the government has to arrest and prosecute, as opposed to requesting that a mega-company, facebook, which has actually managed to buy off any and all competitors in order to become what could be defined as a monopoly, to clean up it’s act a little has brought about quite the little pile on. The comments have been not only ignorant of those differences, but also hyperbolic in their “shame, shame” on The Intercept yelps and screams.
Better censorship please!
One thing Facebook does do well is to present opposing points of view below where a friend posts a political post. When a friend posts, I always click to see what the nutters are saying.
However, what’s interesting is that if anything this exposure to the Joneses and Breitbarts of the world leaves me more morally and factually certain, not less. Facebook can’t help with that second-order bubble phenomenon. It’s just too bad that nobody ever reposted Michael Moore until Wednesday.
Solid piece Sam. Facebook is many things, and media company is one of them. Totally out of control.
I can’t believe in what I am reading. First of all, it’s clear to any sane person that there is no way technically to filter all the information that is being shared on FB daily — not even getting to the more important problem of on what basis do you make those decisions? The whole argument, based on that the “wrong candidate” won is insult to democracy as there are no wrong or right candidate, there is one that the people choose. The rest of the argument crumbles as well since what information you get mostly depends on your friends and the pages you like. My feed was always full of anti-Trump memes and he gave PLENTY of material for those. All the media was strongly in Hillary’s favour too, so really, this is like clutching at straws, trying to blame a loss of your preferred candidate to everyone else but the candidate themselves. There is a much better article on The Intercept on the same matter, which the author would definitely benefit of reading: https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/
Well, one has to have the capacity of checking the truth when on facebook…
I think they should have some way to address the hate expressed on Facebook. They remove cartoon breasts, but not blackface and slurs? https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
IMPOSSIBLE.
Why don’t you just stop using it?
Why don’t they just fold business and buyback all shares of stock??
The best way to address echo chambers is to have schools teach critical thinking, and for journalism to supplant what has become pure PR. CNN needs to die and get replaced with a real news outlet.
The % of population capable and willing to think critically is at an all time low. To teach critical thinking in schools you would have to start with the teachers.
It’s very disturbing to see the Intercept calling for censorship of social media in order for the establishment to more completely control the narrative and flow of information.
People seek out confirmation bias, and they will always find it. Disable it on Facebook, and they’ll simply find it somewhere else. It is insanely naive and childish to claim that censoring false information on Facebook is going to lead to a better informed public.
What we should be calling for is the end to the consolidation of media outlets, and a reversal of the policies that allowed all media outlets to be owned by a very rich few. People have lost trust in traditional media, and rightly so. Let’s start holding them accountable, get these outlets out of the hands of the rich few, and rebuild them in a more trustworthy image.
Let’s add in an end to the ability for the government to exclude media outlets it doesn’t like (or journalists who don’t report favorably). Make it unbiased – press credentials should be given out based on unbiased criteria like the number of viewers/reader an outlet has and the ability to pass a standard background check.
Sam Biddle is calling for censorship; not TI.
I happen to disagree with his beef with FB.
If you trust FB for your news, then your focus is narrow and I’ll leave it at that.
When you decide to become a civically responsible citizen, you will broaden your horizons.
I dealt with enough crap on my own page to cite Snopes and whatever best-sourced story I could find that seemed to be trustworthy to a supporter. Those Trump supporters didn’t care what you said or didn’t say. This election was about emotions, not ideas.
Allow me to go OT for a moment.
PS: If you missed GG on Democracy Now! this morning, he discussed yesterday’s piece with Amy Goodman. My sentiments mirror his almost exclusively. He’s not ready to digest the new Trump cabinet. I got there last night. Ethics reform – revolving door = disappointment #1. Takes me to #2. What about TW/ATT merger?
“We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.” – William Casey CIA Director 1981-1987
“SOS, LUCID MEMORY, T IS YOUR POSITION, SHADOW FORCES, VIRTUALLY INVISIBLE, DIGITAL INTERPRETATION, RQ” – Morse code in CIA Kryptos sculpture.
Source: http://elonka.com/kryptos/faq.html
The media shot itself in the foot this election. By selling out to the DNC, people like the NYT, WaPo, CNN, et al, have all fallen to the level of Gawker in terms of credibility. The entire news industry is basically a propaganda mill for squishy lefties.
If you think Facebook is the problem, you’re hopeless. The problem isn’t “where people get their news”. Its the intellectual dishonesty rampant in the media.
I’m pretty sure they didn’t need Facebook to tell them that their life savings had been stolen, their jobs shipped overseas, and that they were dying at unprecedented rates from suicide and heroin overdose. Do you seriously think that the truth about what’s been done to them by their government is any worse than the crazy stories? It’s the reality of their lives that has made them susceptible to the fear and lies in the first place.
Using power to suppress views you don’t like. Did you get that anti-idea from Peter Thiel?
Holy hell that was savage. I like you.
Scalia being found with a pillow on his face is a ‘view’? !!!
Yeah, I just realized that *yes*, Peter Thiel is *still* on the Facebook board of directors despite a rather censorious effort, I admit, to get him booted for supporting Trump (which put the whole thing backwards — I hold it against Trump that he consorted with Thiel, not the other way around!). The only way I can even imagine begging Peter Thiel for anything is begging his pardon if I accidentally ran him over with my car.
Then I realized that fuck me, this is Sam Biddle, and for him to beg that guy for something must be 1000000000000000 times more humiliating than for me to, so I’m totally off the charts.
I was, however, so focused on the unfathomable repulsiveness of begging Facebook for favors that I didn’t even notice that the favor being requested, oh so vaguely, is a really awful idea. Yeah, Facebook, please do yet more censorship, with yet more AI overlords to patrol the wretched puny humans? Leaving it up to Facebook to decide whose myths should be put down harder? I can’t begin to comprehend where this came from! Sam Biddle, what the HELL are you THINKING?
Just stop using Facebook. Problems solved. It’s really not that complicated. You have to be completely stupid and ignorant to still be using a service like Facebook.
Sorry, it’s not Facebook’s fault. Or Twitter, Or Fox news or any media outlet.
It’s our fault. There’s a whole bunch of people out there with no critical thinking skills – and that’s on society as a whole and the education system for not teaching those skills to them when they are young.
Some can spot a fake news story or a terribly biased and unsourced article on social media and dismiss it for what it is/put it into context and others can’t.
That’s not Facebooks fault.
And this automatic reaction to shoot the messenger and to blame it for our own failings is more troubling to me than the people who believe everything they read on the web is true.
Oh, for crying out loud. Facebook is a commercial enterprise that sells its users to advertisers and mines their data for various profit-making enterprises. It is also deeply enmeshed in the capitalist economic-political machine.
What the fuck do you expect of corporations like this?
And why the fuck don’t you all just abandon the idiotic site? It’s not as if it’s difficult to create and operate alternatives, unless, of course, your motive is competitive profiteering.
Doug, you’re half-right. FB isn’t going to abandon its competitive advantage and profit model just because Sammy doesn’t like how connects like-minded people and that may or may not lead to people he doesn’t like getting elected. However, it’s not even remotely “easy” to create alternatives. It’s practically impossible: Google tried it, and who do you know that still believes G+ is going to still take off someday?
No, FB isn’t really the problem, it’s a symptom. The real “problem” is how we think: we like when people agree with us, and we like dumping on those that disagree with us. We don’t, as a whole, particularly like thoughtful debate and collaboration with multiple opposing viewpoints in order to get a reasonable outcome.
When you figure out how to patch humanity’s firmware, let me know. Until then, articles like Mr. Biddle’s are just empty fluff to try and place blame for outcomes they don’t like, which means that they’re engaging in exactly the behavior they’re trying to criticize! But hey, at least we know he’s not a robot… Probably.
Yes it is. As the Brits might say, it’s dead easy. For a modest fee, I’ll build you an alternative in a week or two.
Now, if you want the whole world on your site alone, and you insist on a profit, that’s a different matter.
>>> For a modest fee, I’ll build you an alternative in a week or two.<<<
I can do it for free. It's already built. It's called UseNet.
The way things oughta be… and the way they used to be.
Everything since the 1990s was created in the 1990s… but, the media stole it and put a new face on it … called Blogs. Just like The Intercept.
There is much truth in this post. And I don’t praise Truth Seeker lightly.
I take it that you remember it?
I/We used to have deep technical, philosophical, political discussions there all day/ every day to break the monotony of design and coding. (Used to go out of my office and jump on a trampoline, too.)
ANY SUBJECT… and you could start a new one on your own whim… and restart one on your own whim. “History” of each thread lasted for virtually as long as someone commented.
Today, Blogs/journalists control the talking points … and archive, delete, or obsolete anything and everything at THEIR whim… not yours/ours.
In other words, Blogs let the journalist control us and WASTE OUR TIME posting oft-words-of-wisdom that might not want to be lost to the instaneous oblivion imposed by a journalist/MSM.
Food for thought.
Why the F are we here?
hijacked stole and patented
what else are wealthy thieves to do but rob te public and have their way with them?
Them who owns the economy rules the people.
patch? wont work.
the life support software needs to be replaced.
that being Currency_v.24.12.1913
it’s full of vulnerabilities and has been hacked to the point of working against US.
You’re begging the WRONG PEOPLE! Facebook is what it is — loathsome. It always has been. There was a time when companies like AOL tried the same think and people loathed them for it. The difference is that back then the users knew better. They got their own web sites, made their own web rings, used easy HTML 2 code that was easy to write and clean and fast to load, didn’t resize the font half a dozen times with half a dozen scripts run by half a dozen companies each hacked by half a dozen people to try to load half a dozen viruses to you. Or they used Usenet, a method of conversation so old that it was not even designed with censorship as its primary function. We need our people, our users to reject Facebook, reject it for disseminating content, reject it for reading it. We shouldn’t look to reform Facebook, but to bury it.
Well said.
Once people have a better understanding of Popularity vs Power, that might happen. I dont know what the current state of the Sims is but i have always wanted to be the owner of the currency in it. ;-)
I’m no fan of Facebook for how it’s gotten its tentacles into everything. I personally do not have a Facebook page, though oddly, my mother runs a page about me- including posting things I did not want as public knowledge.
Zuckerberg is not Trump, but he’s VERY fond of his own power and privacy, while ignoring the privacy of others. He’s more than willing to host IS fan pages and Right Sector. And HE’s man of the year, when Assange is demonized. (To quote an online meme.)
Well said. I receive so many really obviously unfounded posts to my Facebook I have given up trying to keep track. Some minimal fact checking on the part of Facebook is not ‘taking away the right to free speach’.
I would like to agree with the author but what is next sensor FOX news and Rush Limbaugh?
The media bias is very troublesome. But we cannot take away the right to free speach!
All we can do is educate people. Teach them how to think for themselves.
Lets start at school..
“viral anti-news from threatening the democratic process”
What horrid Orwellian double-think. The most terrifying thing is that I am reading this on the Intercept. The author wants a one-party system, where huge corporations like Facebook become the ministry of truth. It advocates suppressing speech deemed to be “anti-news” by a giant corporation. Liberals are now much more authoritarian and fascistic than conservatives.
“Anti-News” – Orwell couldn’t have even dreamed of such an oppressive, manipulative term.
Why aren’t fact-free stories about Russian intervention into the American democratic process counted as “viral anti-news” here?
Instead of controlling the content of people’s reading, how about in going forward we listen to what they have to say. Gary Younge’s series in the Guardian leading up to the election is a tremendous exemplar:
https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/oct/11/middletown-gary-younge-us-election-presidential-muncie-indiana
Excellent article. Here is another analysis of the real election that took place, not the divide-and-conquer race-baiting stories of the Intercept:
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/10/pers-n10.html
Agreed.
I have more progressive and liberal friends than conservative and libertarian leaning ones, and my newsfeed was constantly flooded with RIDICULOUS nonsense that was more often than not pure propaganda, often times debunked baloney that would pop up again and again and again even after being debunked, especially during the primaries when sabotaging Sanders seemed CRUCIAL to Clinton’s survival and a massive number of phony info Sanders hot pieces exploded across the internet.
And the fact that Clinton had been shouting about government control of the internet content and who has access to what and much stricter and more capable government monitoring (for the kiddies and for “national security purposes only,” of course) seems to be of no concern here.
It’s like these people WANT 1984, but only if their “team” is the “team” implementing it.
It is unfortunate that at the very time we find ourselves in need of objective news source curation, the mainstream media so many formerly depended on showed itself during this election cycle to be utterly corruptible and unreliable in this regards.
I agree that the “echo chamber” needs to be examined. Wikileaks was a much larger contributor to the Trump victory. They had exposed collusion between the Clinton camp and Facebook’s CEO. You should be investigating this. Actually, YOU should be aware of this. I expect that of The Intercept. Very curious as to why that is absent in your article.
They also helped expose Google’s collusion with Clinton. And Google is trying a similar thing for news stories- with one of the groups helping them being the anti-Wikileaks, Bellingcat.
Facebook is noise. It’s a critical element of the psychopathic elites’ plan to rule the world with a whip.
I don’t use Facebook… cuz I know what it really is.
Zuckerberg (from Harvard University; land of the Rockefellers) calls Facebook users: “heifers.” TRANSLATION: “cow”.
MOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Off to the slaughterhouse you go.
Bad analogy. Intercept readers which are true progressives are Vegans.
>>> Bad analogy. Intercept readers which are true progressives are Vegans. <<<
I'm an omnivore. I eat cows. Cows are Vegans.
Silly frugivore. You must have been brainwashed by USDA while you were still a young little dummy.