For the past 15 years, the U.S. government under both parties has invented whole new methods for hiding what it does behind an increasingly impenetrable wall of secrecy. From radical new legal doctrines designed to shield its behavior from judicial review to prosecuting sources at record rates, more and more government action has been deliberately hidden from the public.
One of the very few remaining avenues for learning what the U.S. government is doing — beyond the propaganda that it wants Americans to ingest and thus deliberately disseminates through media outlets — is leaking and whistleblowing. Among the leading U.S. heroes in the war on terror have been the men and women inside various agencies of the U.S. government who discovered serious wrongdoing being carried out in secret, and then risked their own personal welfare to ensure that the public learned of what never should have been hidden in the first place.
Many of the important, consequential revelations from the last two administrations were possible only because of courageous sources who came forward in this way. It’s how we learned about the abuses of Abu Ghraib, the existence of torture-fueled CIA “black sites,” the Bush warrantless eavesdropping program, the wanton slaughter carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan, the recklessness and deceit at the heart of the U.S. drone program, the NSA’s secret construction of the largest system of suspicionless, mass surveillance ever created, and so many other scandals, frauds, and war crimes that otherwise would have remained hidden. All of that reporting was possible only because people of conscience decided to disregard the U.S. government’s corrupt decree that this information should remain secret, on the ground that concealing it was designed to protect not national security but rather the reputations and interests of political officials.
For that reason, when The Intercept was created, enabling safe and productive whistleblowing was central to our mission. We hired some of the world’s most skilled technologists, experts in information security and encryption, to provide maximum security for our journalists and our sources. We adopted the most advanced programs for enabling sources to communicate and provide information to us anonymously and without detection, such as SecureDrop. And we made an institutional commitment to expend whatever resources are necessary to defend the right of a free press to report without threats of recrimination, and to do everything possible to protect and defend our sources who enable that vital journalism.
Over the past two years, we have published several articles by our security experts on how sources (and others) can communicate and provide information to us in the safest and most secure manner possible, to minimize the chances of being detected. We’ve published interviews with other experts, such as Edward Snowden, on the most powerful tools and methods available for securing one’s online communications. As our technologist Micah Lee explained, no method is perfect, so “caution is still advised to those who want to communicate with us without exposing their real-world identities,” but tools and practices do exist to maximize anonymity, and we are committed to using those and informing the public about how to use them in the safest and most effective manner possible.

Image: The Intercept
Donald Trump has not yet been inaugurated, but all the signs point to a presidency that will be deeply hostile to basic precepts of transparency. During the campaign, he repeatedly violated long-standing norms of disclosure, including even a refusal to make his income tax returns public, and already has broken with tradition by refusing during the transition to provide basic information about his whereabouts or activities.
Beyond that, the institutions of the executive branch are well-trained to resist transparency as much as possible and have been vested with countless tools to conceal their most important activities. Institutional inertia by itself, let alone once exacerbated by Trump’s own anti-transparency impulses, all but guarantees the Trump presidency will be aggressively antagonistic to basic public accountability.
For all those reasons, The Intercept is more determined than ever to do everything possible to enable sources, leakers, and whistleblowers to work with our journalists in the safest way possible, to ensure that information that belongs in the public domain is reported rather than hidden. There will undoubtedly be all sorts of actions and information in the Trump administration that will be concealed but that should be known, and the public will need courageous whistleblowers and leakers inside the government to ensure that it sees the light of day.
Top photo: “Anything to Say?” is a bronze sculpture and art installation by Italian sculptor Davide Dormino, representing, from left, whistleblowers Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Chelsea Manning next to the U.N. offices in Geneva on Sept. 15, 2015.
I invite everyone to send a NATURE SCENE POSTCARD
(no envelop) to:
Ecuadorian Embassy in London, United Kingdom
attention JL
Flat 3b, 3 Hans Crescent
London SW1X OLS United Kingdom
If Julian is unwell as FREE ASSANGE tweeter account suggest and reposted by WikiLeaks Task Force, let’s make him feel better with amazing postcards from all around the world. DO NOT use an envelop as it would need to be opened and searched. Top it with the best stamp you can buy at your post office.
We are aiming towards your middle eye.
on an arrow from a bowed rainbow.
for the purpose of changing the world.
in a metamorphosis.
from was to have been changed.
for ever and ever a gain.
remember the future.
imagine the past.
you will reverse the adversity.
“????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Donald Trump has not yet been inaugurated, but all the signs point to a presidency that will be deeply hostile to basic precepts of transparency. ” Sounds good GG, but when you make statements like this, please provide a few supportive links. “Fake News”?
I could not agree more with this, but GG doesn’t address what is perhaps the equally, if not more, concerning problem, which is the utter erosion of the currency of facts and truth to make a difference. This Bizzaro-land reality combined with hostility towards those who speak up about abuse of power–the female victims of sexual assault and journalists, for example–makes it more important than ever to value rather than vilify whistleblowers.
Hello to everyone,
sorry, but we are talking about the big problems, the gathering of informations all around the globe. But everyone of us can do little bit, to stop them, and preventing the world from big brother 2.0.
It’s important to explain everyone the use of simple cryptography like pgp or so on. It’s only a few minutes work, and all is done. But for the “friendly” watcher, it’s allmost impossible to scan every information, and every email that’s written in the world. In this case we can send them a message: “stop watching us, concentrate on the bad guys, and stop chacing citizens without a reason”. The new president will increase money and energy, especially on spying for company information, and citizen controll; and no one can stop him doing this for his own. We ar strong, if we stay together as one.
I’m not a doctor, but I suspect bleeding a patient will not cure their anemia.
But since I’m not a doctor, I could be very wrong.
Maybe President Nothillary will make it all better.
Please, Please, Please enough with the anti-trump hysteria! He tells everyone what he is doing every 5 minutes unlike this last administration which has got America into more wars, caused the loss of our freedom etc. Also Trump owes Assange a debt of graditude.
FYI… https://twitter.com/i/moments/798135869550903296
I THINK ASSANGE IS TOAST.
COLLAR AND TIE ON CAT…
MARITIME SIGNAL FLAGS
SOS
this cat thing was creepy.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/14/in-the-trump-era-leaking-and-whistleblowing-are-more-urgent-and-more-noble-than-ever/?comments=1#comment-309296
I found that reply so weird and shaky that I wondered if it was actually Glenn’s. I was not only considered to be (or diagnosed?) a “‘literal’ sociopath” (wasn’t Glenn a lawyer turned into journo? why would he be now diagnosing people with unknown types of “mental disorders” (which validity have been even question by psychologist themselves)?), but obviously my initial point was very selectively twisted and misconstrued.
I will proceed to reply to that post in general regardless of if he actually wrote it or someone did trying to impersonate him.
More than “most”. We all, Muslim and non-Muslim people, know very well, that we are all considered guilty “until proven otherwise” and “proving it to them” will take away your life anyway, since they need “terrorists”. Everybody, including you, knows who are the actual terrorists anyway: USG and their all-lies, who have 8-timed the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII (what you call “wanton slaughter carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan” pointing to the collateral-murder video Manning posted unredacted, unaltered to wikileaks).
I still think the overriding issue here is the “reputations” and “lives” of those subjected by that “wanton slaughter”. What did they have to say? Do you think they cared about that “terrorism cloud over their head” you mentioned? Did you care to carbon date them to see how “radioactive” they were when they were killed?
Of which kind of “people”, NSA employees, police and their snitches? Aren’t they the ones who have deprived the world at large of that thing you call “privacy”? Also, after the OPM hack (the Chinese own their @ss all the way to the late 70’s when they started to use computers), it is not really about spying any more but as you call it “their reputation”.
I am not trying to fantasize any kind of political nirvana and I don’t give a sh!t about politics anyway. To me it is plain and simple basic morality.
Also, you are misconstruing my points as if you don’t get what I mean. What I have been talking about for quite a long time is all those high ranking officials from the U.S. MIC whose names and actions have been carefully “redacted” from Snowden leaks I have myself pointed to you/TheIntercept very concrete cases in those SID files that were posted, as well as, (after “ethically” redacting all those documents), your way of pontificating about such matters in ways that “We the people” can’t follow.
Many other people have been questioning your “ethical” ways. John Oliver even paid himself a ticket and went all the way to Moscow with an oversized picture of his junk to teach Snowden how you talk to “We the people”.
// __ Government Surveillance: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) LastWeekTonight
youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
~
Snowden seem to have been originally baffled, at the end he seemed to have joyfully gotten it. Once, again, why is it that two comedians (The Yes Men) have been very successful at making the most corrupt U.S. institutions change in important ways, have gotten corrupt officials behind bars and devaluated the stock shares of big corporation, while being called “cruel” and all kinds of adjectives by Western MSM?
// __ Inside The Panama Papers: Dirty Little Secrets
youtube.com/watch?v=TvPBM8zAc1o
~
As you can see in both cases there was concrete information about actual deeds and agents for “We the people” to go after and so they did. We all expected to prominently see Putin’s face on those reports (even though they admitted that there was nothing directly about him (but his associates)). Prime ministers’ heads and many other big wigs were chopped and defaced. Now tell us about just one single (1) case in which anything concrete has been achieved based on Snowden leaks. You are a lawyer and you well know that you can’t indict or prosecute anyone based on insipidly redacted accounts. At times I wonder if you realize you are talking about humanity and morality to politicians and police.
I have always found ad-hominem b#llsh!t hopelessly stupid and I am squarely fine with, careless about your feelings of “unbridled contempt” towards me. Once again, it is neither about me, nor about your feelings. Probably based on your “I must be right, because I talk it right” thing, you may be making very wrong assumptions. For reasons that are not quite clear to me, USG blacklisted my @ss in the FBI criminal index, so, using your language, “having my reputation destroyed” by them is the least of my concerns:
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/zersetzung-made-in-u-s-a/
so it is not exactly what you want to believe, “understand”. I have lived all my life like that. You may not have had the chance in your life to sense what is like watching people harassing and being disrespectful to your mother and imprisoning family and teachers not even referring to you in school since you were a child. However, my towering mother never taught me to hate. She would instead take such incidents to teach me about “the human condition” instead of simply telling me those kinds of people where a bunch of @ssh0l3s (of course, a little boy can’t understand “philosophy”, but now I am very thankful to her spiritually and in deed). I do feel for Muslim, persecuted people, very naturally indeed, because I am one of them.
Well, then stop talking about “gentlemen agreements” as if they were morally grounded. Politicians protect their politician friends and so do bankers, mobsters … but those are just gentlemen agreements.
…
Are you OK?
truth and peace and love,
RCL
So you think that he should dump the documents and he doesn’t. And that’s that. You’re saying that because Glenn didn’t dump the documents, Trump was elected. Sure. And if Snowden never came forward??? Then it would be Snowden’s fault that Trump was elected??
Snowden gave the documents to people that he trusted would be judicious with what information was disseminated and how. You want more information, you get it. Glenn has no obligation to adopt your particular set of standards on what should be public information and what shouldn’t.
Nobody knows who the hell Edward Snowden is. The idea that Trump would have lose with more disclosures is a fantasy in your head.
“AtheistInChief”:
your interpretation, which I find mechanically stupid, could have been expressed in a one liner if that is what I wanted to say. In case, you are being serious, I wonder what makes you think that I am making any kind of cause and effect relationship.
Unfortunately (or, who knows?, perhaps fortunately!), I don’t have Glenn’s verbal prowess, yet, but I do see morality, consciousness as part of a communicative/semiotic ecosystem. Just a recent and clear example of some sort of odd poetic justice: the reactionary, morally corrupt forces in Western countries started wars based on lies, which “unexpectedly” (to them) they could never end and started totally new more complex problems, among them, migrations (naturally to migrants and sensical people), which then exacerbated “nationalism”, putting out of business the reactionary, morally corrupt forces that started all that nonsense without really solving any problems (not even the ones perceived by themselves) …
I think my points and the examples I have given of well-known cases are very clear. Glenn is very good at this:
// __ “Glenn Greenwald VS Ruth Marcus” on Snowden
youtube.com/watch?v=2wCg9ns7gOw&t=565
Ruth Marcus: He stole, let me use the right word for it, an enormous amount of data …
“Stole” she said? Those kinds of people not only talk like that, but they believe what they are saying.
~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wCg9ns7gOw&t=680
Glenn Greenwald: Ruth said “the contents of my calls have been off limits …”
~
Now, imagine that as part of his point Glenn would have actually made public the contents of the telephone calls of Ruth or any of those politicians lying to the public in order to back his point and show to the public the true dimension and scope of what is going on. That would have made a difference and vindicated Snowden in the public eye and make “his country” change so that Snowden will be more likely to come back.
“I tell you this and you tell me that” back and forths will not change absolutely anything really. There is only that far you can get based on that conversation. Even if you totally expose them, by putting their sh!t on theirs faces in ways that they can’t deny. In fact, as it happens with drug-resistant diseases, it will, counterproductively indeed, consciously habituate in people’s minds the very issues you want them to question and rebel against.
As any true teacher knows well you have to talk to students/people in ways they can understand, “by any means necessary” and if what is takes is showing to them how our government keeps “dickpick databases” of our lives, then let it be, regardless of their “privacy” and “reputations” being “destroyed”.
I explain to my students that Galileo was some “bad@ss niggah” as part of showing to them how he not only changed Physics and Mathematics for us, but most “importantly our minds/ways to think about thigs not only in scientific but social ways. He not only made his own and turned a telescope to the skies, but confronted the Catholic Church (partially messing with his own fundings) thoroughly debunking the underpinnings of the Catholic Church and viscerally mocking the very Pope while he was at it.
If you use that case in order to address a bigger message to “We the people” at large (as The Yes Men masterfully do) and actually get in their faces in ways they have no way to deny, then there will be consequences that will totally override those types of people’s “reputation”
RCL
for which I have been suspended without pay, nicely honoring Galileo!
// __ Galileo’s Battle for the heavens HD 1080p
youtube.com/watch?v=XCxkdR092c4
~
RCL
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/theintercept-2016-11-14-trump-era-leaking/
RCL
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https://theintercept.com/2016/11/14/in-the-trump-era-leaking-and-whistleblowing-are-more-urgent-and-more-noble-than-ever/?comments=1#comment-309296
I found that reply so weird and shaky that I wondered if it was actually Glenn’s. I was not only considered to be (or diagnosed?) a “‘literal’ sociopath” (wasn’t Glenn a lawyer turned into journo? why would he be now diagnosing people with unknown types of “mental disorders” (which validity have been even question by psychologist themselves)?), but obviously my initial point was very selectively twisted and misconstrued.
I will proceed to reply to that post in general regardless of if he actually wrote it or someone did trying to impersonate him.
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/theintercept-2016-11-14-trump-era-leaking/
RCL
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I cannot agree more. Thank you and The Intercept. Information control at all levels is at the root of concentration of power – you focus on government; intellectual property and other propriety information is how economic power concentrates to produce massive income inequality. The most significant government and economic reform would be universal whistleblower protection. Regardless of the party in power, this was never going to happen. The question for activists is how to support and promote the efforts of whistleblowers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3U3y7EPZH0&feature=youtu.be
Julian Assange’s lawyer Jennifer Robinson delivers a statement
https://www.rt.com/news/366923-assange-questioning-irregularities-wikileaks/
Imagine! As Lennon said that Trump pardons at least Manning
RCL
He’s been hit. This is a fake lawyer …
His real lawyer was hit while crossing the railroad tracks (on foot) about 3 weeks before the election.
correction: lawyer hit by train last spring ~April. Around the same time we were told by the UN that Assange should go free.
I guess they wanted them BOTH to go to the train station. http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/renowned_lawyer_who_represented_julian_assange_died_after_being_struck_by_train_in_west_hampstead_1_4507283
ps… at the end of the video… did you hear the question????
The Question: Where did the necktie and the cats come from?
Sicilian Necktie
Predatory criminal regimes of powermongering freaks like to own the courts to have their way with people so that democracies cannot perform. When a single person, a citizen, like Julian Assange, actively participates in revealing corruption in the corrupt regimes, the monsters in the regimes panic and make all sorts of self righteous declarations in the same fashion as the “gone crackers” in Midnight Express condemn Billy for walking the circle in the wrong direction.
More noble = nobler.
This is too funny:
Myself, I blame Marco Rubio for distracting Trump from his own, slightly more orange, unified vision of the future. Rubio drew Trump from the center towards the extreme flank. Thanks a lot Rubio!!!
What’s that? Clinton hid government files in her basement server?, took hundreds of thousands to make speeches to bankers? Didn’t give an interview for months on end? Never visited the rust-belt? Was talking about ramping up the war on Syria? Was part of the system that many blame for the loss of their jobs, their homes, their clean water, their future? Cheated her way to the Democratic nomination? Then pretended to adopt some of Sanders’ policies?
No, none of that can explain Trump’s win, if it was so, that would mean this Gil Troy Time magazine article is utter tosh!!!
Besides, everybody knows it was all Putin’s fault!
No no no… It was facebook:
“You can blame Facebook outright for Trump’s victory, or not. But at the very least, we should demand from them some accountability for their role in spreading the present toxic sea of deliberate misinformation and non-factual chaos.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/10/facebook-im-begging-you-please-make-yourself-better/
Yet another hit piece, completely void of fact, on dear Bernie. We got used to it during “our” campaign. There is no comments section to call him out!
You know, I’ve been reconsidering, and I think Gil Troy may have a point. Leadership contests can be distracting. And If someone with the establishment backing and decades of insider experience such as Clinton can get distracted by having to appeal to popular support to become the leader, then perhaps a different system will need to be found. Perhaps, instead of two or more leadership contenders, the field can be narrowed to one or fewer. This may be the only way to prevent a Nader type figure from distracting someone such as Clinton.
Of course doing so at the party level is pointless, if you then introduce distractions in the general election. How many outrageous statements and promises from Trump can be traced back to his being distracted by Clinton. Remove her from the election race, and Trump might have already unified the nation by now. All that could have been avoided if Trump had simply been installed as king.
As an intermediary step, towards these ends I propose that next time, the Democratic leadership does things differently, instead of holding a fair contest, as they clearly did this time, decide in advance who they want as leader, then, through some mechanism, perhaps by using super-delegates, crown that person. You could always put on a leadership contest for appearances sake, just make sure the DNC and the state Democratic leadership bodies all ensure that Chelsea wins.
Your laundry list on “Clinton’s negatives” (as the talking heads like to say) made me chuckle and groan simultaneously.
No argument here!
Wow. That is one of the most ridiculous, stupid, dishonest political pieces I’ve ever read. Can’t believe Time published it. Does anyone still read Time? I think my parents still subscribe–they’re 75.
Well, if nothing else the election of Trump will mean that the oddly quiescent left will once again care about wars and surveillance and get out there and hold massive protests. They sure as hell weren’t doing that during the reign of Obombus Maximus.
Were wars and surveillance even major issues during this election? I don’t remember Sanders making them so during the debates. Hell, he turned around and endorsed the war hawk corporatist.
Where was the furor during the prosecution of whistle blowers or when it was revealed that the AP and various reporters were being spied on by this administration? Where were the street protests, where was the furor? That story died a quick death.
And would the youth be out on the streets today protesting if the war hawk corruptocrat had been elected? Probably not. I have no idea what they’re wanting to see happen and probably neither do they. If they’re simply venting, well–they should have been doing that all along. They’re a day late and a dollar short.
It’s all identity politics and partisanship nowadays. Fuck the poor, fuck the droned, fuck the spied upon–as long as our boutique social and cultural issues get attention and our pet demographics and groups get pandered to.
How easily bamboozled and propagandized people are, how tribal and unthinking.
Sorry that you’re stuck on Planet Earth with an address somewhere in the dumbed-down US. Since when are major issues intelligently debated in a presidential election?
Wars and surveillance are not discussed because there’s not enough time for that. (That’s the excuse.) Besides, we would rather talk about the size of Trump’s hands. Note that climate change did not come up at all in any of the republican debates. Doesn’t that tell you something as well?
As a staunch Bernie defender, the man had no choice but to support Clinton–and campaign for her. If he did not do so, MSM and the Dems would have used him as their scapegoat. They would have crucified him to the point where his remaining years in Washington would be spent as an outcast. Smart man. Wise decision.
Most Americans these days are too busy and concerned with keeping their heads above water economically to pay attention to our government. But isn’t that part of the plan for a compete oligarchic take-over?
But now they’ll be hypocrites,and laughable,as they were absolutely silent during Obombas regime.Hell bots carrying peace signs;A sign of lobotomized humans.
Why is it more noble now to expose the govts secrets?
Trump will be worse than Obomba and the shrub?
I highly doubt it,and how could he be,when they hate him,and every thing he says?Does not compute,unless one approves of the former schmucks,0 and s.
The endless propaganda is so pitiful.
Great comments by LuluBlueState below on corruption in the Democratic party.
Let me draw attention as well to the corporate media’s culpability in rigging the election. The statistics are just staggering:
Trump, in a crowded field of seventeen Republican competitors received eighty-one times the airtime of Sanders, who was competing in a Democratic field of only three.
And when CNN and friends did spare some time to talk to Sanders, what were the most popular questions?
“Mr Sanders, will you drop out of the race?”
“Mr Sanders, when will you concede?”
“Mr Sanders, why are you still running?”
“Mr Sanders, if and when you lose, will you endorse Clinton?”
“Mr Sanders, don’t you realize you can’t win?”
Yes,they ignored Sanders,but Trumps publicity was strictly negative,and you are aware of that I’m sure,unless you live on Mars with Musk.
And all negative reportage on the Hell Bitch was brief and quickly forgotten,as they were totally in the tank for the zionist stooge.
She called half the electorate deplored,f*ck her and all her minions of morons. Carrying peace signs,Jeez.
I notice NG really is pushing Musk and the privatization of our space dollars.What a fraud,and another once excellent publication rendered to shite.
You don’t understand. Trump was never supposed to happen. It was a Clinton campaign strategy that was carried out by the media. Obviously, it totally backfired. Instead of the negative media hurting Trump, it normalized him.
Thank you for the link and supporting “evidence.” Yep, the Clintons brought us Trump (they are totally responsible) and destroyed themselves, the Dems, and Obama’s so-called legacy in the process. Now we can finally rebuild.
Being reminded of all these interview questions, asked over and over again, still makes me cringe.
The infrastructure for Tyranny is in place, and democrats and republicans have no one to blame but themselves. See this…
http://mpmacting.com/blog/2016/11/11/election-2016-
good to see the intercept renew its commitment to publish the leaks from whistleblowers. As Glenn says, we need them more than ever. It is clear that Wikileaks and Snowden did a huge service to American voters by publishing the Clinton and DNC emails. They prove that the Clintons are corrupt. Now we need to get started on Trump.
Snowden and wikileaks(Assange)are two different items.
Snowden was mostly silent,or his messengers were,this election cycle.
And if he pardons Snowden you’ll …… what?
If president-elect Trump pardons Snowden and Manning, heads will be exploding all over the Beltway. Hell, my head would probably exlode. ;o>
explode ;o>
Apparently you missed Trump’s comments regarding Snowden. Your head is in no danger.
“For that reason, when The Intercept was created, enabling safe and productive whistleblowing was central to our mission.”
well your mission is screwed
I would guess that Clinton, Snowden, and Petraeus are due for pardons within the next two months. (Not the others listed in your article https://theintercept.com/2016/09/19/why-obama-should-pardon-all-leakers-and-whistleblowers-not-just-edward-snowden/ – just these) Clinton on the same basis as Nixon, basically. Snowden, apparently to provide some cover for pardoning Clinton by saying that there is something deeply messed up with how the government handles classified information; but in reality, I think, because he was always working for them and they can’t trust Trump’s people to keep things going, and if they don’t he could become a quadruple agent (for the Russians this time). And Petraeus to round out the crew and provide a purely nominal pardon to a respected military leader, etc.; basically it makes no difference.
and Hilary
The biggest leaker will likely be Donald Trump. He promised to Drain the Swamp. The best way to do that is get the media to do it for you. Let the Muckrakers rake some muck.
He should engaged the media with a discussion about FOIA. Have a symposium and get recommendations from the media on how to improve FOIA and increase transparency.
Trump ran as a reform candidate, but the media doesn’t want reform. The MSM wants to #MaintainTheSwamp for some reason.
On the other hand, maybe the Media is/b the swamp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckraker
Will you be writing something about why the office of President is not subject to conflict of interest laws?
Because the King and the Land are One?
We all did also learn that the office of the Secretary of State is not subject to conflict of interest laws.
Hillaryous,right?Trumps business isn’t really bankster related right.its hotels and buildings?What’s he going to do ,rent out Miami beach to the Russians?Free poker chips for Kim?A golf course on the central mall?White House lawn?
The HB is a multimillionaire grifter selling government access to foreigners for dough.Talk about traitors!
Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.
After eliminating the Supreme Court, who is to say otherwise?
This is what strongman leaders like Putin do. They strengthen themselves and enrich themselves.
This is what smart people like Trump do too.
They take … advantage.
I’m curious though — why has every Republican president since Eisenhower been worse than the one before?
Eisenhower > Nixon > Reagan > Bush > Bush > Trump.
Normally I’d make a sarcastic remark here, like “who next, Donald Trump?”
You guys beat me too it.
You forgot the rethuglican stealth demoncrats Clinton and Obomba,both Reagan admirers and both rethug inclined scum.
Trump was opposed by all these criminals btw,and to any rational non liar,would obviously be better,simply from the terrible legacy of all his detractors.
Only because he has his own criminal enterprise to run.
Or do you actually believe billions of dollars pour into the pockets of good and decent people because …. what? … god wills it.
Because capitalists are actually altruists?
Because the Russian mob isn’t as smart as the American mob?
Oh, I know. There’s actually a Nigerian prince who just needs a little of your help to get back on his feet — and he will reward you handsomely.
America: land of the stupid, home of the dumb.
Real whistle blowing.
http://www.stevepieczenik.com/no-more-false-flags-no-more-b/
Journalists and voters need to keep-up with Donald in the coming term.
He promised us all quite a lot. Or was that locker-room talk? Will he actually put these promises into affect.
I think we all need to maintain a checklist and hold him accountable during his term.
Donald Trump should appoint Preet Bharara as his Attorney General in place of Loretta Lynch.
NEW LAW
Public Safeguard and re-Balancing Act
As American citizens are the owners of the government and public property and are entitled to life support and equal power and treatment and benefits of citizenship, it is therefor a privilege that all citizens be able to defend themselves against such rotten apples of power that come about from time to time and who may, having suffered the burdens of government affairs, may see fit to cause personal remedy as citizens imbued with patriotism by revealing to the public such things as s/he sees fit and be entitled to legal defence if needed to be chosen by citizen and paid for by the government of by and for the people.
Not to worry. Mr. Obama will soon be out of office.
Pamela Anderson is allegedly visiting Julian Assange again. Strange.
but gratifying
Has Assange been seen in public, since his internet was cut off? Has there been proof of life? The John Pilger interview, was it new video?
Sweden (finally) interviewed him the other day. Presumably the Swedes would have announced if he died.
If he is dead/ incapacitated, and the US and the UK and Ecuador are covering it up, then a single Swede prosecutor who entered the embassy could also be persuaded to lie.
Modi Government rationing cash in India. Maximum bank cash withdrawal per day around USD 66
“Banks would start using indelible ink to mark customers to stop multiple currency exchanges in a day, Economic Affairs Secretary Shaktikanta Das announced as the government’s demonetisation measure is set to enter its second week.
Das added that it was found that the reason for long queues outside banks and ATMs, a phenomena all too familiar across all parts of the country since last week, was that the same people were lining up again and again, thereby cutting out other people. ”
http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/banks-to-mark-customers-with-indelible-ink-to-curb-repeat-single-day-note-exchanges-116111500505_1.html
Globalists (masters of the universe) intend to use India as the seed for WW III.
Create chaos in India… and Pakistan…
Then, Custer’s Last Stand will happen in Afghan….
Then, a holocaust in /around Syria the next day
Then India and Paki will exchange nukes….
Then the the US Russia and China exchange nukes in a Hail Mary.
Cool, huh?
The American warmongering machine has been salivating about an Indo-Pak war since the time Richard Nixon was taking advice from Henry Kissinger.
Now the US war-mongering machine also salivates about hostile relations between India and China.
There is some evidence suggesting that the leak of poison gas in Bhopal In India in 1984 was a US -sponsored chemical weapons test. Though the official narrative has been spun as an accidental leak.
The US establishment does salivate about nuke use in South Asia. Anything is possible.
Other than pardons for Assange, Snowden, Manning, the NSA 5, and others, Mr. President Elect Donald Trump can blow the biggest whistle of all by following through with his campaign promise to
AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE
Now that the TPP is dead, my wish list looks more like a pardon to at least Manning and his campaign promise to AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE
RCL
“TPP is dead”
Many governments around the world are keen on this TPP deal, despite public opposition. Also these government are happy to submit to and be part of NWO.
I think, TPP could not be possibly dead.
What have been our biggest national security demands post 911? Local, on the ground intel, correct?
Why can’t this be the game plan within our own borders?
I think this new era of the wrong guy with the wrong amount of power calls for more anti-Stasi like vigilance on behalf of the citizenry. Along with the counter measures the Intercept has suggested for encrypting our cellular devices I think it behooves us as a diligent concerned populace to question any stranger out- of- no- where relationships we cultivate ,especially while engaging in social media. Make sure that anyone who connects with you on social media is a one off only friend. Paranoia can only be cured by validation of authenticity.
Question how you mechanically extend yourself politically and then dig one layer deeper into the consequences of what you give up in privacy maybe what some data stooge for the government uses as an excuse to monitor your life.
Seriously, please consider this, the gloves came off with Cheney, the potential for the reach of the bare fists of the government to squash dissent has now become a hydra of tentacled suppression. Don’t take anything for granted, including the newest administration to become something far worse than what Richard Bruce Cheney wrought upon our republic.
“institutional inertia by itself, let alone once exacerbated by Trump’s own anti-transparency impulses”
I notice the Intercept is now accusing Trump of many ‘pre-crimes’. In the current world, many have called the Obama Administration the least transparent ever. Helen Thomas noticed this right away. Hillary held no press conferences, aside form a few questions from hand-picked journalists on her jet. Her use of a private server and the destruction of emails to avoid FOIA requests demonstrates the ‘anti-transparency impulse’ has been as strong as ever during the Obama era.
It’s different when lefties do it because they have souls as pure as the driven snow.
Actually, Greenwald has written and spoken out repeatedly on Obama’s lack of transparency from the very beginning of his presidency:
https://www.salon.com/2009/06/17/transparency_3/
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/30/glenn_greenwald_obamas_secret_kill_list
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/14/obama-transparency-podesta-sunshine-week
http://www.alternet.org/glenn-greenwald-remember-when-obama-vowed-protect-whistleblowers
I notice he wrote these great articles on other domains — I guess the owner of the Intercept has explicit astroturfing instructions regarding President Obama. Notice how the environment has suddenly become a disaster on the Intercept, just days after Trump’s election.
I don’t know what your game is but as Pedinska pointed out by providing those links, you’re losing.
Here’s another smack down for you about your inability to read The Intercept:
Obama’s name is mentioned 19 times in this post by Glenn on The Intercept
You are either ignorant or disingenuous. You choose.
The Intercept only came into being in February of 2014. Greenwald, as one of the founding editors had written extensively about Obama’s presidency elsewhere because those were the places he was writing before the Intercept existed.
The stated initial goal of the founding of The Intercept was to write about the Snowden revelations, all of which was opposed by the Obama administration and its minions in national security. So one could say that nearly every single story broken re: Snowden archives has been quite literally critical of the Obama administration. That rollout strategy was of necessity because The Intercept was forced to go online prior to them establishing a pool of writers/editors/all other employees needed to support a publication of that nature. Once all the support staff was established, their writing extended to other topics.
Now, you can ignore all that history in order to support your initial contention, but it makes you look rather obstinate and uninformed to do so. Still, feel free….
Hillaryous,right?
The terrible coverage of Trump by the Intercept reveals that they have no interest in real change,only change they can believe in,Obomba stlye.
GG makes Wapo;Who’d a thunk it?
Trump 2020.
Waiting for the information to become obsolete before publishing it, is not consistent with the premise of the article.
obsolete*
obsolete, or, superceded by something much worse
But it is very consistent with the premise of the Intercept’s billionaire owner, running-dog imperialist Pierre Omidyar:
“They are happy to cooperate with the National Security State when there is mutual benefit to be had, as with Omidyar and his government partners in Ukraine — but they want it to be on their terms. They want their own information to remain within their control. The overthrow of foreign governments, the invasion of foreign lands, the extrajudicial murder of people around the world, the militarization of American policy and society — this does not really concern them. In fact, it helps them expand the parameters of their business and extend their neoliberal ideology.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/ukraine-omidyar-and-the-neo-liberal-agenda/
“What all this adds up to is a journalistic conflict-of-interest of the worst kind: Omidyar working hand-in-glove with US foreign policy agencies to interfere in foreign governments, co-financing regime change with well-known arms of the American empire.”
https://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/
I googled Polanyi and Trump to see how many writers were talking about Karl Polanyi’s The Great Transformation to understand Trump’s win. I found more non-English articles than English ones. Polanyi accorded primacy to the “social” and the “political” over the market or the economic and he is accordingly I think read less in the US.
But I found this Italian comment titled The return of Karl Polanyi in the translated page at http://www.lintellettualedissidente.it/economia/donald-trump-il-ritorno-di-polanyi/
Here are the opening lines as translated by Google:
“The election of Donald Trump for President of the United States definitely marks the beginning of what could be described as a Polanyi Moment . In his 1944 masterpiece, The Great Transformation , Karl Polanyi analyzed impeccably the collapse of the European liberal institutions took place in the 20s and 30s of the twentieth century. The thesis of Polanyi, masterfully exposed by using economic data, anthropological and historical, is that no society can stand entirely on the idea of a self-regulated market .”
I also found The Incendiary Appeal of Demagoguery in Our Time in the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/opinion/the-incendiary-appeal-of-demagoguery-in-our-time.html?_r=0
a very perceptive article explaining Trump’s win by an Indian author and also refers to Karl Polanyi’s the Great Transformation.
He brings together an analysis of Modi’s rise in India and the US links. He describes the destruction of the welfare state in Western democracies during the last two decades and the corresponding propagation of neoliberalism and the Washington Consensus with its belief in self-regulating global markets by a global elite invested in multinational corporate profits.
It is time for a new “new deal” in places like the US and time to work on a new global order and new global regimes. But all this will take time and encounter resistance.
Amazing right?Every one of Trumps opponents and heel biters in the MSM are all defenders of globalization,the war of terror,open borders,and the destruction of our social safety net,but Trump gets the vitriol for not doing anything yet.
And the web is composed of the same moral arbiters who backed the worst possible candidate in American history,a corrupt criminal bubblehead,who dissed American citizens in her wacko chase of power,gladly denied,thank God,the god,Yahweh,Allah and the Hindu divinities.
We will see,in due time,the Trump effect,and when he does do poopie,I’ll let him know,but right now,give Trump a chance,you might like what you get.
An awesome first family,wow.And they all seem to love their dad,something revealing.
Why don’t you guys publish the Snowden files instead of self agrandizing about how you are journos?
What “your technologist” should do is telling people how to do things in a way that is virtually impossible to track. Here is an outline:
a) We need something like a white hat distribution such as kali Linux based on a totally encrypted version of Debian Linux running from a live DVD (using some sort of “toram” option) on a computer without a harddrive (just RAM so that no physical evidence whatsoever can be traced back to you)
b) Of course, you will have to transfer the documents you want exposed to some pen drive or, better yet, a USB-powered micro drive:
b.1) which you bought at a store never actually touched with your own body/fingers
b.2) kept inside or a plastic bag you got from a supermarket’s dumpster (all kinds of different cells and micro particles there)
c) using §, a basic shell script based on tcpdump would create a fake MAC address (sniff and use a existing one?) and very quickly connect to a network and upload the whole thing
d) make sure as you do this you are not using any kind of traceble electronics like the built-in GPS capabilities of phones or driving in your car and avoid street cameras (just putting on sun glasses, changing a bit your gait and quickly changing your dressing a bit, doing things from a park with lots of surrounding trees …), do it in crowded places. In fact, you can “leave by mistake” your cell phone on your mother shopping cart but not your teenage niece’s back pack since you most probably don’t go her ways …
e) once you dump the whole thing on wikileaks (not Glenn’s reign (my bias)) hide the device you had inside a Faraday cage away from your own place until you make sure that it was aired …
f) once it is aired you physically destroy (crash to pieces, melt in an oven and wash with hydrochloric acid that hard- or pen drive)
That is it, they will have no way to -physically- prove anything.
Of course, learning from Snowden not from Manning, you don’t tell dad, mom, girlfriend, your buddies … among many other things because, believe me, you don’t want to see yourself having to explain to girlfriend, “why should they care about her boobs” …
Glenn, come on, you are smart enough to realize it is not about more or less whistleblowers. Once again, what about your “transparency”, or, as you put it, “‘ethical’ journalism”. Perhaps. I am too romantic, too philosophical, I tend to see things in a cosmic way; I do see morality, consciousness as some sort of ecosystem.
Have you given some thoughts to the idea that by protecting war criminals boasting about torture and genocide, you were indeed helping the Trump thing happen?
Haven’t you figured out yet, that your pontificating and “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”, tut-tut kinds of articles haven’t achieved almost nothing? That most people that read your comments don’t need persuading, convincing, may be more “radical” than you?
Isn’t it clear to you yet that by sitting on and “ethically” (as you say) redacting Snowden leaks, you have effectively helped the profusely “unethical” Trump thing happen?
Aren’t you able to see the effectiveness of a different approach by the Yes men and Assange (who even under house arrest and gagged by his protectors is able to achieve concrete things, even the anger of his protectors)? Is it so hard to speak to “We the people” in ways they understand?
Also, you have this silly tendency to treat your preferred group in an exceptional way as if corruption and political abuses by the gander would be more justifiable, less detrimental, more of a “balancing” act?, than when it is by the goose. Corruption by the left in Brazil and Latin America is just that: corrupção.
To me it is beyond stupid seeing people “shocked” by the result of the election, how it has caused so many people to go into soul searching and denial block, but it shows at the same time how deep into their @ss they have their minds stuck.
Hillary Clinton along with her grandma act, dresses, calibrated smiles, “proper” language … is way more corrupt than Trump and, arguably, is the most deep state politician in the U.S. She has been directly responsible for the genocide of hundreds of thousands of people, destroying whole countries and consequently driving millions of people into becoming refugees and was even playing nuclear games with Russia. How could people find anything hopeful about her is way more puzzling to me than how could people vote for Trump. In fact, given the options, I find people that supported the Trump thing, more rational and morally sound that those supporting Hillary.
It is hard, seemingly impossible to push your head out of your @ss by yourself. Gringos have clearly shown at least to the world something that to me is one of their defining characteristics, they seem to see morality as a club membership thing. Even Betsy Reeds didn’t know how to explain the Trump thing to her daughter. As one of us told her: that shouldn’t be that hard, just tell her the truth
I don’t vote. To me the whole politicians thing is an unbelievably stupid farce. Or, to be “positive”, I would if a see Jill Stein and Lawrence Lessig go into politics together.
RCL
“Hillary Clinton along with her grandma act, dresses, calibrated smiles, “proper” language … is way more corrupt than Trump and, arguably, is the most deep state politician in the U.S.”
Hillary was the CIA candidate. George Bush the first, George Bush the second, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were all CIA backed candidates.
Its surprising how the CIA lost the 2016 election to Trump. This actually gives people hope in the idea of American democracy.
I’ve addressed this many times and at length but I just want to underscore this one more time:
Among the documents in the Snowden archive are MANY that link thousands of Muslim Americans and Muslims around the world to terrorism or terrorism sympathizing with no evidence.
It’s certain that at least some, if not most, of the people who are discussed are innocent.
If we were to dump these documents as you suggest, we would forever destroy their reputations and their lives – as many have themselves told us – by putting a terrorism cloud over their head for all prospective employers, friends, community members to see. It would put them on watch lists in their countries, and make them radioactive.
Other documents in the archive – thousands and thousands- contain the personal communications of people. If we dumped those, it would destroy their privacy, their reputation, and wreak unimaginable havoc in their lives.
One has to be a literal sociopath to want that to happen. It’s basically viewing these human beings as collateral damage on the glorious path to whatever political nirvana you fantasize would be created if we dumped these documents. I have nothing but unbridled contempt for people like you who want this, knowing that only others – but not you – would have their lives destroyed by it.
And that’s to say nothing of the fact that doing this would directly violate the agreement our source demanded – for good reason – we enter into with him about how we would and would not treat these documents.
So it’s never going to happen, and screaming that our decision to treat these documents responsibly helped elect Trump or spread the Zika Virus or caused the oceans to rise won’t change that even a small amount.
Instead of blowing the whistle, the plug has to be pulled! The plug is guerilla warfare to eradicate this 100% corrupt, totalitarian, police-state.
But then you are reducing the problem to “interpretation” and “quality of implementation” issues. The adjective phrase “most limited” may mean something very different to you and me, compared to what it means to them.
IMO you are right about “distribution” and “valuation” being of most importance in societies, but I don’t think that making everyone have the same salary will change anything. I know you didn’t exactly mean that, but that extreme take on your idea I have actually lived twice: in Cuba and to a lesser extent in East Germany. I remember when I lived in East Germany (where there was private property and to some extent private businesses (which there wasn’t in Cuba)) that you could tell the difference between state owned and private businesses instantly when you walked in just by how they smelled. You can see the same thing happening in the U.S. with the USPS.
I don’t think that we will fix things by starting a new world order, by new revolutions, new isms, more wars, more “our sh!t smells better than theirs” and such things. Just by calling things and agents by their proper names you can achieve a lot (there can’t be “RE-valuation” (or “conscientização” which sounds so much more beautiful in Portuguese! ;-)) without engaging our minds), the rest of it will then “naturally” happen. What Einstein called “spontaneous order” would have been called today “emergence”, but this excellent translation makes still for a delightful reading:
https://www.mises.ca/einstein-socialism-and-the-relativity-of-intelligence/
If you want to have a deeper understanding of what Einstein is talking about you should read up on Yuri Lotman’s semiotic interpretation of societal dynamics.
RCL
Not sure how to respond. I’m not sure I was getting at everyone should have the same ‘salary’ only that some human endeavors are not suited to being distributed to the worlds people on a “for-profit” basis. Some are, like luxury goods, and non-essential items of pure convenience or enjoyment.
I don’t quite understand your point about the USPS as I’m a former employee. So maybe you could flesh that out a bit more so I understand.
I do agree that I’m not looking for some violent revolution in the world anywhere. What I’m looking for is a fundamental “reformation” of our values, and distributive models of the “wealth” that almost all human beings contribute to creating in the world.
I’ll take a look at your link and get back to you.
Look let me give you an example of what I think part of “the problem” is in the world–over mass consumption of non-essential goods (and the physical resources and energy it takes to create them from non-renewable resources).
Lets use dishes as an example. And by dishes I mean “modern” plates, cups, glasses, silverware, pots and pans, food storage containers et al. Most of it uses synthetic materials derived from petroleum based products, and other materials from various minerals to silica.
And yet we are creating a world where people think they need to have expensive or ornate “dishes” to what end? Status, appearance, trying to express ones individuality or home fashion sense through their eating implements?
It’s the fucking stupidest most wasteful thing to even contemplate. It’s fucking dishes used to eat with that every human being has to do every day. They are utilitarian and should be simple, renewable and the least environmentally degrading of almost anything we use on a daily basis. But it isn’t. Hell, just the serviceable dishes that Americans throw into a landfill every year could probably provide service table wear to every person that doesn’t have any on the planet.
That’s the sort of “values” I’m getting at. They are all out of whack in service of a “demand based economy” for things that we don’t really need.
I just don’t get it in a world of 7 billion people. And as far as Einstein goes, I think he understood this. It is my understanding that is in part why he almost always dressed the same way, because to him clothing served a utilitarian need that should be overthought or overemphasized. If it is serviceable, made to last, and is functional against cold and heat, then why in the fuck do humans spend so much time worrying about the style and composition of the clothing they put on their backs. And if you are going to believe there is some importance to expressing one’s individuality through fashion (and I’m not saying that isn’t a human impulse right or wrong), but then for God’s sake think about what it is you are buying, where it was made and by whom, and how it is made as an environmental matter (i.e. energy usage and renewability of materials (not synthetics but cottons or silk or things etc). Buy less things that are made to last, and made as a function of good living wage jobs nearest your home (or country) and made from things that can be sustainable.
This really isn’t rocket science. This is about what we are brainwashed to “value” or what we attach “value” or “status” to. And IMHO it will be our undoing if we don’t get that all fundamentally reordered.
sorry for typo
When you say “we”, do you mean seven billion people? Beware the tyranny of language. The first person plural pronoun “we”, just like every other indispensable linguistic convention, is a convenient rhetorical construct [beloved of every politician, evangelist, sales rep and raconteur], not a physical constituency you can point a stick at anywhere near you.
To most of us that gets all of the ‘valid news via the ‘net, don’t forget the masses of sheeple who have the t.v. 24/7 that does nothing other than tell them that they deserve all of the bling that they can consume. All that I fire the tube up for is professional soccer, and, when the breaks occur, the fcukin’ thing is muted. And, as we come into one of the most religious periods of the year, ( I am not religious), the 1%’ers hit the sheeple to consume more bling. As long as they are getting their instant gratification they most likely can’t comprehend the utilitarian concept you describe.
Sorry, I did self-servingly abuse your comments a bit in order to make a point. I heard the word “socialism” aired quite often lately and I wondered if people knew what it actually meant, not from books but actually reality.
The USPS, a form of institutional socialism in the U.S., is the only type of business where you would have to wait for more than half an hour to be served.
I live in Harlem/NYC and I very much doubt it is like this all over the U.S. I think they just enjoy being stupid, lazy (of course, they are not all like that). At times I see them counting money by hand, when they could use very cheap and reliable machines like the ones they use in banks. When I was imprisoned in Gitmo (as a refugee not a Taliban) I noticed the same thing about the U.S. military. How they spend monies in the most wasteful ways, while they close public libraries (which to me is a form of “good socialism”, common good kind of thing).
100% with you on that. We don’t need anymore techno b#llsh!t and “business as usual”, what we need is a more reflection and humanity, use our own minds and sense. So much techno b#llsh!t has made us ferally dependable in a seemingly unstoppable way from our own devices. I work as a Math and Science teacher and I find downright crazy when I find as answer options in multiple choice questions that the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics “suggests” the use of calculators (I know what is the answer option they want for you to check). My students use calculators for basic one digit times table multiplications …
I know there is nothing wrong with knowing the time tables all the way to the 12 one, knowing the divisibility rules all the way to prime number 13, because I learned those rules when I was a kid and almost subconsciously practiced them while reading the license plates of cars pass by. At times while teaching I think my high school students must be kidding me. When I tell them about, at least, learning the times tables they go like: “Oh, that old-fat masochistic Mr. López” what I say as a joke, anecdotal evidence is actually happening to us as society. People can’t make sense of anything that doesn’t fit in their cell phones anymore. The same people that will be trusted with, voting responsible, being honest, nuclear weapons, …
OK, now you are making things easier for both of us. I do think it is OK for people to have expensive plates and pay for more expensive seats in an airplane even though it is going to the same place if they choose to. All I would/we should care about is that:
1) We are not taxing Nature, messing with our (including other animals and plants) ecological environment.
2) everybody has a fair chance of “having their plate”; meaning avoiding monopolies, TPP kinds of economical abominations, …
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youtube.com/watch?v=-1j0XDGIsUg&t=61s
By the way, China is environmentally friendly, not toxic, wasteful in any way and the sarcophagi used by Egyptian high wigs and the terracotta armies used by Chinese rulers have helped us understand them and us, ourselves, better thousands of years later.
I do 100% agree with you, but I don’t at all agree with you when it comes to forcing on other people our own ideas about what we find effing stupid.
RCL
It isn’t because of “socialism” that at some post offices you wait that long to be served. It is a function of the last 20 years staffing being cut, which isn’t news to anyone who actually knows anything about the Post Office. Sort of like their self-imposed “pension problem” which was fabricated by a Republican Congress to try and kill and/or privatize the Post Office.
Again, I’m not sure what goes on in the Harlem/NYC Post Office, but out here in hillbilly Oregon us rubes at the Post Office, specifically window clerks (like my mother and many friends) have been using the equivalent of modern POS machines that have been a part of the post offices nationwide for over a decade.
And if you mean counting out each clerks till after shifts are over that’s done by T-6s or T-7s and it would never be visible to a customer because it happens after the window services are closed. So I take it you don’t really know what you are talking about.
As far as the rest, it is clear you are missing my point. The point was actual “needs” vs. a demand economy based on overconsumption of material goods whose “wants” are created by a vast global lifestyle marketing and advertising apparatus that has nothing to do with people living fulfilling lives (that necessarily depletes non-sustainable or non-renewable resources). Unless of course you think your “need” for 2 or 3 sets of ornate table service some how makes your life more fulfilled and meaningful. In which case I’m sure you’ll probably never understand what I’m getting at i.e. the global capitalist unnecessarily over-consumptive consumerism that is destroying and polluting our planet.
Sounds like a Republican’s conception of “liberty”. Let’s just not ever look closely at the consequences of our “liberty” to buy and consume whatever we please, and never call anyone stupid for overconsuming things that have nothing to do with our human material “needs”.
But hey, we are free to disagree and you are free to buy crap you don’t really need made by children in developing economy hell holes. And so long as that is the case, the planet is going to end up precisely where many of us are predicting and all the “I told you so’s in the world won’t make a bit of difference” because we didn’t want to infringe anyone’s personal individual liberty to consume everything they desire regardless of the consequences, or to suggest anybody was stupid for doing so.
So we have that to look forward to as well I guess.
You prefaced with “modern” dishes so I think I understand the context you’re setting and agree mostly with your opinion.
To give (even mass-produced petro-) dishes their due, it’s precisely because dishes are what human beings use to eat with every day that — from a perspective of aesthetics, culture and craft — they are considered beyond and inclusive of the pragmatic concerns of utility, simplicity and renewabilty.
Ditto fashion. Yes, at their core dishes and clothes are crucial, if maudlin technologies. That people would want them, notwithstanding their means of production, to embody meanings beyond the mundane as rituals to enrich experience is deeply human, yes?
Yes, there are points when our values become perverse, but I hope people will not forget to carry through a bit of the “aura” when evaluating objects through the imperatives of environment and class struggle.
We all die, yet our ancestor’s dish outlasts us patrimoniously.
I’m reminded of Walter Benjamin’s ‘work of Art In the age of mechanical reproduction’ where he talks about the cult value and exhibition value of objects. Thank you for reminding me of his ideas.
“I don’t quite understand your point about the USPS as I’m a former employee.”
finally, the fog of confusion around ronald lifts
Yeah I know. Who could imagine an American working hard at night 10 and 12 hours a day for 13 years, and going to school full time during the days, and to put himself through undergrad without incurring insurmountable student loan debt, and to provide a decent standard of living for he and his wife, which includes health insurance, and to save enough money to not go incredibly into debt when he went to law school, and doing well enough in school to get a partial academic scholarship, while being a merit award winner for his performance and attendance and going the extra yard for his employer.
You know because everyone who works at the Post Office is a lazy do-nothing with no goals or belief in what the Post Office does, and why, and that it’s in the US Constitution and serves and incredibly valuable role in our society, and demonstrates(ed) that until it was mismanaged by a Republican Congress that it showed how statistically efficient and accurate a government run program could be.
But yeah out of the 100s of millions or billions of pieces of mail the USPS processes, year in and year out, heaven forbid a machine damages a piece of it or a human being makes an error and mis-sorts one, so ipso facto it is a sign that “socialism” doesn’t work. And every USPS employee is an overpaid grifter just looking for a taxpayer subsidized handout (which in the case of the USPS is absurd because it isn’t funded by taxes but by postage its consumers pay, and some legal benefits re: property ownership non-taxation or revenue non-taxation, you know just like the US Government doesn’t tax the IRS for doing its work or its buildings).
The really sophistic inane crap people dream up in their heads is truly a mark of enlightened human critical thinking. We really need more of it in this world. And “liberty” and “freedom” from the oppression of the USPS and its workers.
“All the (US political) world’s a stage…”
Obama: I Don’t Think Trump Is Ideological, ‘Ultimately He’s Pragmatic’
Your efforts are greatly appreciated, Glenn. Thank you.
Thanks for the article. Hallelujah! Let the Sun shine in on the us Govt.
What’s up with Wikileaks? Did they stop publishing?
Got News?
Right now Assange seems busy with what is potentially good news…
WikiLeaks
They already disappeared him with a hired hit team. The Establishment, Hillary, and the DNC wanted revenge.
Now, before Obama leaves office, they have to make it official before someone finds out.
I say FEMA Camps for the perps.
@ Glenn. How in the heck can you possibly make such a ludicruous accusation about Trump? Seriously, the guy hasn’t even been sworn in, he hasn’t officially appointed anyone to do anything and he zero public service background.
The ONLY thing he has said so far is would investigate shillary and the clinton foundation. And that he only wants to live part time in the White House. That doesn’t sound to me like someone who is worried about you private information. Geez. Greenwald, Surely there must be some bigger dragons running around you can chase.
You seem really, um, convinced.
How long have you been out in the world?
I have pointed ad infinitum out that Clinton and Trump are actually from the same elite, and that this whole election was a farce which never for a moment risked the establishment losing anything, whichever of their puppets was elected president.
So now here’s the predictable bad news for all those who want the Clintons to be taken down – Trump has suddenly decided that the Clintons are “good people.”
Fox News
I want Bill Clinton to take a paternity test to determine if he is Danny Williams father.
It bothers me that alleged liberals in the media are willing to cover for the Clintons. This story should push every button that liberals have. Danny Williams, his children and his mother have worn the scarlet letter long enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Letter
It bothers me that Trump is also willing to cover for the Clintons.
(Funny you should mention The Scarlet Letter, as I got called an adulteress yesterday by a commenter.)
It’s to be expected. Clinton didn’t do a thing to aid Lawrence Walsh (an American Hero), Bush II and John Ashcroft did not cooperate with Congress investigating the Clintons (leading Dan Burton to call Bush “dictatorial”), and Obama refusing to prosecute (and in many cases continuing) Bush crimes (And let’s not forget Nancy “off the table” Pelosi).
High crimes are high crimes. Were I president, I would prosecute any misdeeds from my predecessors that I could. (And if there was a statute of limitations, I’d simply release information to the public, so they would be blackened in history.) This would ensure that we return to being a nation of laws, not men, and help stamp out corruption.
As a side note, prosecuting corrupt politicians helps render corrupt parties less popular. Look at Georgia. Thank to the Georgian Dream coalition going after the corrupt United National Movement, Georgian Dream is still in power, despite losing coalition partners, while the UNM dropped drastically in support, despite support from the US and some EU states. (Sadly, many UNM politicians fled prosecution to the EU, USA or Ukraine- where the disgraced tie-eater Mikhail Saakashvili is now seeking to run for President…)
This is rich!
I’ve decided the unproved charges against HRC are more like charges against women in early days of America. “Lock her up” sounds — to my words — similar to cries of “WITCH.”
Thus a better quote referring back to the Puritans — very apt this very day:
This Clinton derangement must stop. Not for their sake, but for your own.
The election is over and, congratulations America, you’ve invited a small minded man into an office for which he is neither worthy nor able.
The more you spew,the less we believe.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Your hero is a zero,and as far as small minds,Clinton’s ,despite DTs nice words,is about the same size of a T-Rex walnut,and just as bloodthirsty and destructive,if not more so,as the lizard only eats to live,while she lives to devour nations,souls and minds,witness supporters like you..
Very suggestive that Danny Williams story will lead to some fine literature in a hundred years or so. Nothing is in vain or lost. I thought Clinton had a problem with not being able to penetrate far enough. Maybe he had some devise he used?
Standard political BS. Appearing magnanimous in victory, Trump scores a few political opinion points, vs. coming across as a vindictive type. The former is more presidential, plus he gets to keep an ace up his sleeve to pull out later if corporate Clinton Democrats cross him.
This, incidentally, is another reason why the corporate Democrats need to be purged from all leadership positions in the Democratic Party; they’re nothing but a liability, a pack of plutocrat-servicing self-promoting con artists who deserve nothing but humiliation.
Trump won’t clean the Democratic Party of these slimeballs, he likes having them around as he knows they are now weak and ineffectual, a perfect punching bag. The Democratic Party will have to clean its own house of the Blairite Clinton types if it ever wants to win another general election, that’s clear enough.
I think they’ll continue to be neoliberal, pearl-clutching and asinine, differing only from Republicans in their “tut-tutting” noises and their wedge-issue political correctness, remaining a calculatedly assembled part of the duopolistic charade that is the corrupt government of the United States.
America needs a Jeremy Corbyn, but the Democratic Party likes to only pretend to be leftist, because the ruling elite would ostracize them if they tried it really. They trot out Nanny McFee/Liz Warren to occasionally wag her finger in prosecutorial impotence at bankers, and they give mere lip-service regarding climate change every now and then, and that’s about all they’re prepared to do to distinguish themselves – taking taxpayer money for putting on their evidently pathetic half of the theatrical show.
Stop.Should he draw and quarter them?I mean really,grow up.
Trump might be of the same stoack as the hewll bitch,but unlike her,he is an American patriot,not a world class grifter.
Maybe Trump will let the wheels of justice turn,and he being silent is a sign of rational non appearance as vindictive.
Your assertion that Trump and Clinton are of the same class is true,due only to the recent criminal mafia activity of the Clintons in making public office a treasure chest,before that they were just common grifter trash.
But in no way shape or form are their intentions the same,as Trump,again,is an obvious American patriot,who put his wealthy life on hold to help America escape from the clutches of zionist globalization and its inherent slavery.There is now way he had any other angle,as he had much more non political ways to make dough than the POTUS,and he even eschewed the $400,000 salary.
She is complete shite ethically,morally and results wise,a complete screwup wo one noticeable credit to her 30 or more years in the public eye,with instead a trail of criminality and venality never before seen(and ignored by her supporters-unbelievable),in the history of our nation.
And the vitriolic attacks by serial lying ZNN MSM scum should alert any rational human to the conclusion Donald Trump is the answer to our prayers.
We’re not strangers to this Glenn. Use your sources and influence to change minds as we have always done. I will use mine to a lesser degree than you but none the less it will be heard. I have an unrelenting feeling that we are being listened to more than ever. So it’s time to bring back the People. After all… If we don’t have some kind of weird agenda the People are what make the world go round. :)
This better work; if you SOBs don’t understand how much WE hate you; perhaps a dose of pitchforks might enlighten you. $100,000,000.00 paintings for the parasites and low paid insecure jobs for us; you are really lucky we are so docile ( THANKS hollyhood and Churches and schools) but even; we the productive class have a tipping point and you are closer to it than you think. Robespierre; we need you now more than ever.
” Whistleblowing Are More Urgent, and More Noble, Than Ever ”
The irony is when people do come forward with undisputed, verifiable evidence of mass surveillance crimes, they will be attacked, slandered and put in more danger by the very people and establishments claiming this lie. Keep milking the cow and ignoring the elephant in the room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLKuPPe1IhY&t=10s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvgZWDwWqEo&t=10s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0U-Y9wKmHs&t=7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1-vao5Ta8&t=7s
I am so sick of Hillary and Obama supporters attacking our noble whistleblowers.
They hate being compared to Republicans, but the comparison must be made again and again until their numbers dwindle.
Moving on, Pelosi trying to move up the election of the Minority Leader in the House so she can cut off debate before it begins in order to keep her job needs to be attacked ferociously.
Another Hillary type trying to rig another internal Dem election and putting herself before the party is a disaster.
It’s not my party, but the Dems need to be a viable and effective opposition to Trump, and to do that, they need to win more seats in two years. And they need new blood to do that.
Pelosi and Schumer need to step aside.
Hackers are not whistleblowers.
Sadly, a lot of good Democrats have been primaried out, or defeated in a quest for higher office. It would be great to have a Speaker Dennis Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney*, or a Senator Alan Grayson.
* BTW, given Tim Scott’s going public with accounts of racist actions by US Capitol Police, don’t you think someone owes Cynthia McKinney an apology? (This not only includes politicians, but also the media- from evening newscasts to Saturday Night Live.)
The recent election proves that when ‘private policies’ are exposed, people lose confidence in their representatives. Many people assume that governing is easy, but anyone who has actually participated in government knows that leading is difficult, particularly if your ulterior motives are exposed. So I’m not sure if Mr. Greenwald has fully thought through this call for transparency.
Mr. Trump and Mr. Obama are different in many ways, but both share a strong penchant for secrecy. Not coincidentally, both of them also got themselves elected. Mrs. Clinton by contrast, even without the problem of Wikileaks, was too well known to the voters. That made it very difficult for her to inspire even a mild hope.
Americans want to romanticize their government, but it isn’t possible without a bit of mystery. Mr. Trump’s shortcomings will be exposed in due course by the consequences of his own actions. Why shortcut that process a little by revealing the inner workings of his administration? There is something a little ghoulish about exposing something which is going to fail, just so it can fail more completely and more spectacularly. Mr. Trump has a maximum of two years to impeachment. With transparency, make that one year.
We live in impatient times where people are hooked on instant gratification.
JFK’s presidency sure seems romanticized, if the history is accurate about his White House being nicknamed ‘Camelot, inspiring images of a new King Arthur, or possibly someone who has a plethora of camels. Bill Clinton’s presidency could have been easily romanticized as ‘Cum-a lot,’ and Bush and Obama might have shared the enchanted nomenclature of ‘Bomb-a lot,’ and of course nowadays we’re all hoping that Trump doesn’t repeat Reagan’s whimsical world of ‘Dumb-a lot.’
The Trump-a-lot administration will be known for rebranding of government buildings, such as the Trump White House, the Trump US Capitol, the Trump Lincoln Memorial and the Trumpagon.
We must say no to the military-industrial Trumplex.
Hmm. I think the deficit hawks will win this one. So we will have the the AT&T White House, and the Verizon Supreme Court. How can government not follow where sports has gone? All those damn sport analogies will have their affect.
Make that “effect”. Not sure how my name got truncated to “M”.
Trumpagon!!! ha ha!
The Trumpgate Hotel, Trumpayette Park, Trumpsonian Institution, National Air, Space, and Trump Museum
@Nir
Democratic partisan hacks like you are why the DNC doesn’t have the presidency, either house of Congress, and only a few governorships. Yourt ilk is why the GOP has 32 state legislatures, and there are only two states that have both a Democratic governor and legislature. Y’all have been inflicting the Lesser of Two Evil coercion on us for decades, and enough have said: NO!
So now you have the situation I describe above. You either will learn, or the party will burn, all the way down.
People who voted Democrat are why the DNC is losing? That’s interesting! Is it some kind of a new doublespeak code word I haven’t heard of?
Clinton won the DNC by 3,000,000 votes over Sanders! (16,000,000 to his 13,000,000) .
My choice was Sanders, and like him, I supported the better party, and am at peace with it. Proud too.
There’s a fave protest chant: “divided, we fall”. Consider that while priding yourself for ushering the first fascist president of the US.
To a different matter. I am compiling statistics about the number of people disenfranchised by GOP voter suppression laws, and locations where gerrymandering gave them an edge over Democrats. Do you happen to know if there’s an organization who keep records of these GOP efforts?
There are a few, like Election Justice USA.
Of course, EJUSA also documented vote supression and fraud by Hillary Clinton in the 2016 primaries- and, if I may say so myself, fraud done in similar ways to what George W. Bush did in 2000.
Thanks, on all counts (Clinton and Bush, that is).
not that it would be any better under clinton with her camp’s assertion that wikileaks is just an illusion or at least a kremlin plot. for all the talk about trump and his ilk living in the past it’s been amusing to see democrat partisans spouting petulant nonsense about the “kgb” (g for “glenn” they say) and “commies”. leaks only work if the people reading them have the slightest grip on reality.
i’ve been hopeful and continue to be in the wake of the shadowbrokers and other offensive hackers/groups. the average computer network presents ample points of failure (the most crucial being the end user as the podesta and hbgary hacks have shown) and a system as complex as those used in state entities is a vast ocean teeming with potential prey.
and they all work the same. they all adhere to the OSI and DoD models, they all use IP addresses along with other ubiquitous protocols and they’re only as secure as the people who secure them. this shit ain’t magic; it’s ones and zeroes. the less mystical it seems to people the less they have to worry and the more they can do. micah lee has done good work on that front and the computernets are teeming with great infosec material.
just remember, kids: all the encryption and disk wiping in the world won’t matter if you don’t use a proxy. otherwise enjoy getting V&.
>>> just remember, kids: all the encryption and disk wiping in the world won’t matter if you don’t use a proxy. otherwise enjoy getting V&. <<<
Don't forget kids, the Obama/Hillary alliance hires some of the dumbest techs I've ever seen.
Well, at least the “TrumpDown” oubliette-of-exasperation from before the election now serves as evidence that The Intercept can, if motivated, pivot adroitly to a full-on anti-Trump editorial stance. Potentially reassuring to whistle-blowers looking for an outlet.
Who would have thought that was brilliant. 5D chess, sir, bravo.
You take random things and from that you conclude that he is gonna have worst transparency issues than the previous administration. (The worst ever by far on whistleblowers) he said he thought snowden was a hero, he praised wikileaks but i guess it doesnt fit in your narrative. More lies and fear mongering.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/
You take a random thing and conclude he will be transparent. The rest of us observe the near totality of his behavior going back decades and conclude that he will be un-transparent and extremely dishonest.
I didn’t say he’d be worse on these issues. I said all available evidence suggests he’ll be hostile to transparency. If that turns out to be wrong, I’ll happily say so, but I can only use the evidence that is now in front of me.
Beyond that, I said that even independent of Trump, these institutions – which are difficult to change – are trained and equipped to hide things.
No matter how motivated incoming elected leaders may be to bring “change”, the inherently corrupt culture of government bureaucracy assures its continuing prosperity by implacable resistance and simply running out the clock.
Corrupt institutions cannot be reformed from within. They can only be replaced from without.
We’re not quite there yet.
Well, you’re not really one to say and stop squelching other ppl’s hope.
There are millions of ways to do pretty much anything (and only a couple to do them wrong – which is why evil things are always so controlling, persistent, and violent). I don’t think you cordoning off which two people can choose is providence
Mr. Greenwald, how much more time would you say we have to wait before we can expect complete transparency from our presidents or governments/businesses in general? I would appreciate an answer if you have the time. Thank you Mr. Greenwald
Glenn —
In spite of some of my super-anti-Hillary / DNC rants on here…
I find myself in a Catch22 on this subject for two reasons:
1) I’m a software engineer… and have been for a long time. I know some things that you probably don’t even know about the telecom surveilance situation.
2) The degree of corruption existing TODAY.
It’s bad. And, in all honesty, I don’t see many ways out of it. IMHO, it’s going to take a very hefty effort (with very restricted transparency) to drain this swamp. Otherwise, it’s gonna be like Hillary telling ISIS… We attack in 4 weeks. (HINT: Move now!)
The element of surprise… or not.
Personally, I’d be happy if Trump successfully made the USA respectable again.
You?
I am a first-time poster here and need a forum where I can let out my primal scream in reaction to these election results. As a Bernie supporter and average American who donated time and money to “our” campaign–so my memory is long–allow me to take a trip down Primary Memory Lane: These are some of the states/regions where Bernie beat Hillary:
Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, rural Iowa, upstate New York, New Hampshire (where Hillary was clobbered!), Maine, West Virginia, Oklahoma. Keep in mind that Bernie was actually criticized for capturing the rural white vote throughout this entire primary. The pundits said it was meaningless and impractical!!
All the while, the enthusiasm at his events was truly electrifying with massive crowds that completely dwarfed the size of Trump’s events at that point in time.
Bernie was able to pull off this incredible achievement in spite of being virtually ignored and/or belittled and marginalized constantly by the MSM. The talking heads never missed an opportunity to refer to Bernie as “The 74-year old Socialist from Vermont.” Throughout the primary, Trump received most of the TV coverage even though the real story was Bernie’s ascendency as the leader of the progressive movement. It was galling to watch CNN wait for Trump to appear on stage where perhaps 1,200 were waiting; meanwhile Bernie was packing arenas with 10,000 plus!
NY Times, Washington Post, NPR, etc. treated this as a fringe campaign, and the disgusting hit pieces were non-stop. Remember his young white millennials being labeled “Bernie Bros?”
It is amazing what Bernie was able to achieve in the face of all these obstacles. And I am not even bringing up the rotten-to-the-core DNC/Hillary, Inc. duo and their outrageous super-delegate system and the 3 debates–one scheduled a few days before a major holiday. Only one Senator and two Congressman had the guts to endorse him.
There were so many dirty tricks the Clintons pulled. For instance, Bill showed up right outside a large polling station in MA–shaking hands with voters. This is against the law! (Bernie lost MA by a razor thin margin.)
At Bernie’s rally in MN, grown men had tears in their eyes as Bernie came out to speak. When Bernie was introduced at the convention in Philadelphia, the crowd cheered him for 10 minutes, many shown with tears in their eyes. (This is a heartbreaking video to watch, especially now that Trump is POTUS.)
Do you think Bernie would have gotten those 13,000 votes in Michigan? Do you think he would have gotten those 27,000 votes in Wisconsin? Do you think there would have been 7 million fewer votes for the democratic nominee this year than there was for ’08 Obama?
The DNC front-loaded the conservative red southern states to help seal the fate of any progressive. The entire primary was an inside job.
I voted for Clinton to deliver us from Trump, but I felt dirty afterward…akin to selling my soul. No doubt about it: It is the Clintons who have brought us this Trump presidency.
Very well stated, and accurate as hell. Welcome.
Thank you so much for your patience in reading this and for welcoming me. It was long!
So the rest of the sorry saga is this:
Bernie fell on his sword at the convention and endorsed Clinton. I clearly understood that he was in a Catch-22. He gave his word when he announced his candidacy that he would endorse whomever won the primary–and he also promised that he would not pull a “Ralph Nader” and run as a 3rd-party candidate. Bernie is that rare breed of politician (who is also a humanitarian) who keeps his word.
Bernie refused to accept any super-PAC money out of principal. As this was a grass-roots campaign, the vast majority of the money raised (he had some union PAC money) came from the little guy. So for most, contributing to the campaign was a genuine financial sacrifice. We had a park ranger from FL who made $27K a year giving $18 a month. Thousands of students, working, and middle-class supporters organized and donated their time–and lots of it–doing most of the grunt work. And the artwork, graphics, and overall creativity was astonishing! (Most of this was volunteered as well.) The Reddit Community was the driving force of our organization.
So when Bernie endorsed Clinton, whom most lefties find loathsome–which became even more so because of all the other cheating (strong word, but deserved) that took place. None of it was reported by the MSM so these sins fell under the radar. Example: We think that Bernie also won Iowa, but the Iowa Democratic chair was in the bag for Clinton, and a recount of a few districts never took place. There were numerous bizarre irregularities throughout that never got reported–Arizona and Missouri come to mind. In NY State (a closed primary), the new voter registration deadline for Dems was mid-October–several months before the primaries! Isn’t that sinister? So thousands of new Bernie supporters (whom never bothered to vote before out of disgust or came of age) learned that they were disenfranchised and could not vote! They were outraged to say the least.
We really had our heart–time and money–in this game, so when Bernie had to endorse Clinton (because of the rigged superdelegate system and inside shenanigans), his supporters at the convention went APOPLECTIC! It was one of those soul destroying moments in life. There was also a lot of crying, and Berners took to the streets to demonstrate. It took a lot of effort to calm people down. So, of course, the media describes our supporters as unruly spoiled crybabies who didn’t get their way! Yes, this BS really took place.
Bernie was cornered: If he DID NOT endorse Clinton and campaign for her–and she lost–he would have been crucified, ostracized, and viewed as damaged goods for the remainder of his time in DC. Why? Because the MSM and Democratic Establishment would gang up yet again and blame him! But in falling on his sword, many of his completely demoralized supporters viewed him as a sell-out! Even his lovely wife, Jane, begged her husband not to endorse! I give Bernie credit. He did campaign for her “quite vigorously” as he would say. Now that Hillary, Inc. has lost, he can hold his head high. He’s clean.
Bernie had an op-ed piece in The NY Times on Friday. By the time I read it, the comments section had closed. I was seething because many of the commenters were actually blaming Bernie for Hillary’s demise! Wow! Some thought that his campaign had “damaged her” prior to the general election because of her ties to Wall Street that he kept bringing up. He also said that she has bad judgment–which she does. They also complained that he damaged her campaign because he waited until the convention to endorse. Well, duh! That gave him the necessary leverage to bargain and push the agenda to the left! Otherwise, the entire campaign would have been for nothing!
It was difficult to understand that so many fellow Dems could be so blind! There were negative comments about his sniveling, immature supporters. These “haters” are simply unable to accept that Hillary was never a strong candidate to begin with because she’s so fundamentally flawed. How stupid for a major political party to force a candidate down the throats of their base who don’t trust or like her!
I learned one thing up close and personal: It is enthusiam that brings voters to the polls in large numbers. Enthusiasm! Bernie had that in spades–well before Trump had gained traction. So sad!
OK. I was able to get much grieving out of my system…promise!
P.S. Bernie is a guest on Stephen Colbert tonight. Let’s see what kind of reception he gets!
This video shows very simply the amazing popularity of Bernie Sanders:
Bernie At DNC Now The Most Heartbreaking Video Of 2016
It appears this is not what the Democratic establishment actually wants. Even now.
I discovered after the convention that eating home-made ice cream works great for anger management. Can highly recommend!
P.S. If the party stays stuck in the timid middle, I’m done. Time to form a new 3rd party.
Progressive leadership needs to get to work on de-stigmatizing the word “socialism.”
I certainly hope that Bernie can rise again from this rubble and lead.
“Bernie or Bust” Was Right
Dreams are nice.Hold them close.
Sanders wouldn’t have won one southern state,and probably most northern red states.
Yes,the left coast,NY?Mass?and Vermont.
Another Israeli hypocrite,in a party full of them.And the zionist MSM hated his socialism,so their support would have been tepid,and of course not from the heart.
Keep dreaming though.
@ LuluBlueState
Welcome to The Intercept. Really enjoyed your comments. Hope you’ll stick around and continue commenting as we can always use more voices like yours. It can get a bit rough and tumble around here at times, but just stick to your guns, come with good linked support for your arguments if necessary and you’ll be fine.
Again, welcome!
Welcome Lulu.
Your memories are shared and will not be forgotten.
But your reminder is beautiful.
“It is the Clintons who have brought us this Trump presidency”
Absolutely.
Though they had a lot of help from people who still claim a role in the party, including Obama.
Fight for a thorough purge.
Thanx for the trip down memory pain Lulu, but I dis-agree wholeheartedly with your final statement. Ultimate responsibility falls upon the shoulders of Barak Obama for our situation; why can’t anybody say this? He has been a complete and utter failure at the job we hired him to do, both as president and as head of the democratic party. Time will prove this beyond a doubt, Donald Trump IS Obama’s legacy.
“Time will prove this beyond a doubt, Donald Trump IS Obama’s legacy.
That may be so insofar as this most recent election is concerned because, as you rightly note, Obama has fallen down completely as a progressive and a leader of the Democratic party. His abandonment of the bully-pulpit left the enthusiasm of his first campaign success wilting on the vine.
Support by a majority of the progressive wing of the party lessened even more as Obama acquiesced and expanded the military abuses and bombings, consolidated his intelligence agency overreach and the excessive punishment of legitimate whistle-blowers, all while cosseting abuses of classified materials from the elite ranks, and when his embrace of crony capitalism became etched in stone when Obama refused to pursue any criminal charges against the corporate elite.
That said, Obama’s “look forward, not back” strategy to get us all (us = all of the elites) safely through this mess was put into place by the incrementalism begun by 3rd Way neoliberals like her husband Bill and their ilk decades ago:
Bill, Hillary, and a world-wide consortium of neoliberals set the table for Obamas’s presidency, all in order to cement their places (and their personal fortunes) in perpetuity, with no amount of finagling by rank-and-file members able to unravel their selfish messes.
That’s what has given us all Trump as our ‘democratic’ legacy and I, for one, am glad that his candidacy has upset (and exposed) this faux-liberalism for what it really is – an autocratic oligarchy.
Based on my direct experience as a volunteer with Bernie’s campaign (I signed on as soon as he announced his candidacy), the MSM was working in concert with the DNC and the Hillary, Inc. campaign. This became disturbingly apparent even before the WikiLeaks.
These three factions conspired to EXTINGUISH Bernie. Scarce coverage on TV that was always condescending in tone, hit pieces in print media. A rigged primary process during which the DNC worked in tandem with Hillary’s campaign to cheat along the way.
I failed to point out in my 2nd diatribe that the voter registration deadline in New York State was mid-October–six months before the primary! This fiendishly clever strategy was specifically devised to protect Clinton against any insurgent candidate. Well, Bernie was the ultimate insurgent candidate as he came from out of nowhere! Do you think anyone had a clue that the Bernie train was coming?
It was estimated that more than 24,000 people showed up in Washington Park alone–more than Obama in ’08! And that was just one rally. Vampire Weekend, Rosario Dawson, Tim Robbins, Spike Lee, Linda Sarsour, and Shailene Woodley were lined up to open for him. The momentum felt magical and could not be denied. But guess what? So many of these young people learned that they could not vote for Bernie because of the October deadline six months earlier. Not only were they disenfranchised, the numbers hurt Bernie in NYC.
Again, I need to point out the momentum–the massive crowds at every rally–that was simply ignored or downplayed by the media. Trump was getting most of the coverage.
So many what ifs, all having to do with deliberate interference from the elite power structure to ensure that Bernie’s campaign would not succeed: What if Bernie received even a fair amount of TV coverage? (Look at how the excessive TV coverage only served to “normalize” Trump.) What if the Pro-Hillary NYT wasn’t Pro-Hillary while being outright dismissive of Bernie? Same question to NPR. What if the WaPo reporting was not downright inaccurate and hostile? What if the DNC played fair and wasn’t in the bag for Hillary? What if registration for the NY State primary wasn’t six months prior to voting day, preventing thousands of people from casting a vote? What if the thousands of voters for Bernie in Arizona were not disenfranchised at the polls?
None of the above happened to Obama.
I think it’s fair to ultimately blame Obama for Hillary’s loss to Trump. Yet Hillary was a really weak candidate–especially in this “change”‘election cycle. Please keep in mind that the excitement and momentum all belonged to Bernie–not Hillary. In other words, Bernie, the interrupter on the left, who also did better than Hillary with the rural whites, was uniquely qualified to run against Trump. He was the rightful democratic nominee. The primary was stolen from him.
And let’s not forget the various ways in which the DNC tried to help supress the vote.
Didn’t you hear? There’s a new word for that: Clintonocracy
I think this might qualify as almost a perfect first post.
Just let it out.
Finally got much of my pent-up grief and frustration out…feel somewhat better. Thank you!
Yes, welcome! There’s plenty of room here at The Hotel California.
In a recent interview on foreign affairs, Mr. Trump said he has heard from most leaders, though he hadn’t yet spoken with Chinese President Xi Jinping. He said he got a “beautiful” letter from Russian President Vladimir Putin, adding that a phone call between them is scheduled shortly.
Although he wasn’t specific, Mr. Trump suggested a shift away from what he said was the current Obama administration policy of attempting to find moderate Syrian opposition groups to support in the civil war there. “I’ve had an opposite view of many people regarding Syria,” he said.
President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team is racing to fill White House cabinet and key administration posts ahead of the businessman’s inauguration in January.
He suggested a sharper focus on fighting Islamic State, or ISIS, in Syria, rather than on ousting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. “My attitude was you’re fighting Syria, Syria is fighting ISIS, and you have to get rid of ISIS. Russia is now totally aligned with Syria, and now you have Iran, which is becoming powerful, because of us, is aligned with Syria. … Now we’re backing rebels against Syria, and we have no idea who these people are.” https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-exclusive-interview-tells-225300995.html His foreign policy sounds good and a world away from Clinton’s WW3 scenario.
The problems with Syria and Turkey started in 2011 and materialized in May 2012 when NATO pulled out of Turkey.
Hillary’s Klan was at the helm pushing for war.
During the 2012 Olympics, Hillary and her State Dept conned the US Navy to move boats into the Black Sea —
So Hillary could “defend athletes” with cruise missiles.
LOL
I predicted in 2012 that the Turkey / Syria border would become the Maginot Line of WW III.
I was right.
Clinton did indeed seem intent on her no-fly zone, risking war with Russia. Obama, however, has begun just lately to believe US support for dubious ‘rebels’ is actually a stupid idea.
Obama directs Pentagon to target al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, one of the most formidable forces fighting Assad
Personally I think we should get the hell out and mind our own business, but at least the US is getting further away from madly going for regime change.
[[[ Clinton did indeed seem intent on her no-fly zone, risking war with Russia. Obama, however, has begun just lately to believe US support for dubious ‘rebels’ is actually a stupid idea. ]]]
Wanna know why it started to begin with? ANSWER: Basically, a Keystone Pipleline from the Ukraine region to supply natural gas to Europe. It turned into a pissing contest and threats were made against Russia…
We know the history, in hindsight.
Dmitry Medvedev issued a warning to the US and NATO at the time… paraphrased, he said, “If you move your boats into the Black Sea… It’s on!”
Why?
Russia was totally defensive. The Black Sea is like Cuba to the USA. Cruise missiles in the Black Sea can reach DEEP into Russia. Next thing you know, there’s civil chaos in Crimea and the Ukraine.
The ludicrous excuse to defend Olympic Athletes with cruise missiles was yet another Establishment/Hillary State Dept lie.
Like Trump says, they are incompetent (assuming they want to be.)
I say, they are Nihilists.
Putin is not itching for a war. Instead, he’s trying to keep cruise missiles off the beachfront lawn of his palace across the harbor from Crimea.
GOAL: The Hillary Klan wanted to throw an Eyes Wide Shut style Podesta Pizza Party in Putin’s Palace.
Nuts.
I guarantee BS has the same ugly feelings towards Russia that the HB does.
It’s all part of zions historical enmity towards their goyim hosts who didn’t like fifth columnists running their nations.
It’s why they hate Donald also,his German ancestry prominent in their abuse.
Trump 2020.He’s gonna kick out the jams.(zion)
While the victory of Trump is nothing for Democrats to celebrate, there are two huge victories all true progressives should rejoice in following Clinton’s defeat:
1. TPP is dead for the foreseeable future. If Clinton had won, TPP would have passed in the lame duck session, and there would be no impediment in the way of Congress eventually passing TTIP and a raft of other horrible pro-corporate, anti-worker, anti-consumer trade treaties. Under Trump, their chances are slim to none, esp. if progressives unite in Congress and at large both to oppose them and to encourage Trump to renogotiate NAFTA and other treaties already passed by traitorous neoliberal Democrats in collusion with Republicans.
2. The no-fly zone in Syria seems unlikely now. Had Clinton won, the US would now be revving up for a confrontation with Russia that could easily lead to war, all with an eye to putting al Quaeda-in-Syria into power. But if Trump follows through on what he said in the campaign, there may soon be a pro-Assad alliance with Russia that will see us fighting alongside Russia against ISIS and al Quaeda-in-Syria. If this were to happen, it might even break America free of its far too tight embrace of Saudi Arabia, lead to a peaceful settlement of the Ukraine war, and possibly eventually see an end to Cold War II. It is again the duty of all true progressives to encourage Trump along this path.
These are huge wins for sanity in foreign and domestic policy, achievable at low risk and minimum cost. Eventually we can simply declare victory and leave. For good.
It is literally insane to keep feeding vast wealth into the most expensive war machine on earth when our national infrastructure, industrial base, and social structure are simultaneously collapsing.
The war-hawks of both parties are leading the country to ruin.
We have neither the moral obligation nor the national resources to police the world. If the Russians want to keep a permanent base in Syria, let ’em. If Assad is still in power, so be it.
If the EU wishes to keep upping the ante by pressing itself hard on the Russian border, let ’em. (But don’t call us when your smug hubris once again lands you in the crapper.)
NATO needs to be either downsized or eliminated, depending on how much tangible support it receives from those countries which it protects. If they don’t care, it’s not in our interest to cover their butts with a subsidy to compete against us economically. We have far more commercial interest in helping other countries keep the sea-lanes open for trade.
If Trump can move the needle in the direction of sanity, progressives should celebrate their defeat in this election, which would were guaranteed to push us even further down the opposite, shameful path to ruin.
I’m very disappointed and worried by Obama apparently getting Trump to not do something in regards to NATO. NATO’s ostensible purpose (Not the one eloquently articulated by Lord Ismay) ended when the USSR dissolved. Since then, it has served no purpose other than to increase tensions with Russia, give a fig leaf for the US to wage two needless wars when Congress would not grant the required legal approval, and fighting the Taliban after 9/11. 9/11 was the only attack on NATO that received an armed response, despite the many attacks before and after. One would think that with all the IS-related attacks, NATO would have declared Article 5 on IS by now.
Were I Trump, I would give NATO 90 days to declare an Article 5 against them (or, perhaps, wait for a terror attack, and then give the deadline), and if NATO does not comply, then withdraw all US forces from Europe back to the USA, and destroy all bases the US controls.
I’m optimistic on those, but I’m also worried that Trump’s own people may undermine him. A report this morning on NPR stated that some think Trump’s Secretary of State would be Rudy Guliani. I remember when the media declared him the “victor” of the early 2008 debate after his criticism of Ron Paul’s (correct) statement that our military interventions are causing terrorism and global tension (much like the media declared Obama the “winner” for not responding to Mike Gravel). I’d much prefer someone who got Iraq right.
Be careful Glenn. We all love your fearlessness. Just be careful.
There will undoubtedly be all sorts of actions and information in the Trump administration that will be concealed but that should be known, and the public will need courageous whistleblowers and leakers inside the government to ensure that it sees the light of day.
In the old world, freedom of the press was respected by all — until 911. Then the State addressed breaches in an ad hoc manner, even arresting your partner.
In Trumpland, you’ll find the old rules have changed — as you point out.
What makes you think The Intercept itself is safe in this brand new world?
It wouldn’t be safe in Russia.
Three words–money, lawyers and martyrdom. The Intercept has lots of the first two, and Gawker it ain’t. So long as it refrains from doing something dubious like publishing someone’s sex video, and can make a compelling argument for the “facts” and “truth”, then no amount of tinkering with the libel laws in this nation is going to create any legal exposure for what the Intercept does in the realm of journalism and opinion.
And despite the hyperbole and fear mongering of Trump (legitimate, rational or not) this is still America and not Russia. So get a grip.
It is America because over the centuries Americans have refused to accept petty despots.
Now they have lifted a petty despot to the doors of the presidency.
With a little help from Putin.
If you squandered your vote, don’t blame me.
I wouldn’t blame you, even if you had “squandered” your vote, or voted not at all. There is not utility to be had in blaming anyone for any (non)vote they cast; for any candidate. There are approximately 150M registered voters in the US. As if, any single voter, anywhere, would/could make a difference.
Thinking so would be (Foolishness)^100.
It seems to me a vote is like a human life. Insignificant and without meaning, as easily trampled and forgotten as a mob of angry peasants under the hooves of a cavalry charge.
If you say your vote doesn’t matter, then you may as well say your life doesn’t matter. Yes. it doesn’t matter to an indifferent universe. We have centuries of horrors to confirm our despair.
So show me anyone, anywhere, ever who claims to prefer arithmetic to living.
Even among the utilitarians.
Milton, whether you find it acceptable or not, people often do “squander” their very lives, or parts of their lives. Their money. Their time. Their friendships… People “squander” all manner of stuff. What/where is the utility of blaming anyone for “squandering” anything? Currently, my “non-intersecting preference curves” favor living, but that could change and I could give you a roster of names of people for whom that did change.
The whole direction of this “blame” argument is pointless. Hillary lost. Presumably she gave it her best shot. Controlled what she could control, sandbagged what she couldn’t. But, nevertheless, lost. As of 5 minutes after she lost, her loss was effectively irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the rest of us do now.
I can’t even muster the energy to blame Obama for failing to roll back the security apparatus he codified/advanced. Oh, sure. There were lots of warnings offered; Imagine this in the hands of… And, it was unimaginable, until it wasn’t. Metaphor for life, if you ask me. If ever there were a time for Look forward, not back., I’d say this is it. Resistance. Resistance. Resistance. And, that will probably take an unimaginable amount of energy, until it isn’t.
By way of a peace offering, I’ll extend this fascinating (to me, anyway) assertion:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democratic-labor-party-ackerman/
“A better world is possible”?
I didn’t squander shit, and I’m not blaming you. My state went for Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly which is presumably what you wanted.
You want to blame somebody blame yourself for not doing the work to convince more of your fellow citizens in “swing states” to do likewise if that’s what you wanted.
That the Democratic Party and/or Hillary Clinton could have ever run a campaign against a guy like Donald Trump that could even arguably have been meaningfully effected by some sort of meddling by what you call a “petty despot” in Putin (and I’m not at all convinced that’s true), then that’s on the Democratic Party and/or Hillary Clinton, and that’s precisely the point I’m trying to make. I know you don’t want to accept that for a variety of reasons. But I think upon reflection you are a lot smarter than that, if your comments over the years are any indication, and you’ll come to see the truth of that idea.
The problem is what the Democratic Party has been selling for decades, makes it impossible for it to draw clear distinctions and obtain results for the benefit of all working class distinguishable form what the GOP offers Americans regardless of “identity” or “isms”. And until people like you figure that out, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. But I’m totally confused how you don’t get that after this long of interacting with me over the years here.
And I’m not arguing deep seated racism and sexism didn’t play a role in this election. And that’s because human beings’ motivations and values are complex and multivariate. I’m making it a point to argue that even those two impulses in far too many Americans lives and hearts should never be permitted to sway an election if the nominal party of the working class was practicing its “politics” and “economics” like it should. No race would ever be close because statistically I think what you think are authoritarians, hard core racists and sexists, rapture seeking evangelicals are at best 35% of the population combined (and that’s with a lot of overlap). You need to be able to appeal to the shared human values of the other 65%, and deliver results that can only be tied to your political party. And trumpet it to everyone all over the US ever single day and most certainly ever single election. But Dems have failed miserably to do that going on 50 years and this is what they get as a result.
Bottom line–Dems can’t have it both ways. They can’t be for the “working class” regardless of identity and isms, and be in bed with the very forces that seek to undermine all of them. People aren’t stupid, they understand that intuitively. And that’s why so many Americans understand the “system” is rigged against them in bipartisan fashion. It’s just that one party, the Democratic Party, gives lip service to cultural issues and economic ones as a means to perpetuate their role in the power structure of nominal “governance”.
>>> Bottom line–Dems can’t have it both ways. They can’t be for the “working class” regardless of identity and isms, and be in bed with the very forces that seek to undermine all of them. People aren’t stupid, they understand that intuitively. And that’s why so many Americans understand the “system” is rigged against them in bipartisan fashion. <<<
We spent ~60 years fighting the commie cold war and trillions of dollars only to have commies try to take America with Obama and Hillary in the last 2 elections.
FEMA CAMPS ARE BUILT. Let's use them for commies and pedophiles.
Commies. Pinkos. Socialists.
Amazing how fearful Americans are of ideas that at their core aim to make a more fair and just world through an equitable share of resources for all. People freak out when they think that this system–where very few rich people steal everything for themselves, leaving the vast majority of the populace to suffer or die from hunger, homelessness, lack of medical care, lack of full employment, and so on–might be even slightly threatened. I just don’t get it.
So ignore civil rights legislation, forget social security, public health, the internet, and … oh yeah, cleaning up the messes left by Republicans?
Okay.
Shall we also ignore the wars waged by Republicans? The secret wars in Central America, the bombing of Libya, the stationing of troops in Lebanon, the first war with Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? Shall we ignore the gift Republicans have given us like the 2000 election, 9/11, torture, rendition, “enemy combatants,” Citizens United, the Great Recession, attacks on Social Security, voting rights, the bigotry of birtherism, Flint Michigan, earthquakes in Oklahoma swiftboating, DOMA (yes, Clinton signed it but Republicans built it) and a thousand other affronts to decency and democracy?
You want to burn down the house because Republicans refuse to fix the roof. Good for you.
I hear you pounding the table counselor, and we both know what that means.
The verdict is already in and strangely you think you won when actually you lost.
You are a hate filled propagandist for zion,and as transparent as glass,so give it up,find a real hobby,like slot cars.
He seems quite logical and lucid to me.
You, on the other hand, seem to be off your meds. Please stop polluting this board, while adults try to have a conversation.
No. It is as urgent and noble as under Obama administration who massively extended the witch hunt and treason charges against journalist. Abhorrent, Trump will not beat him in that. They are the same stooges of the oligarchy and MIC.
Yup. What Pedinska and Presumptuous Insect said below.
Glenn is of a sudden, and all magically once again, going to be teh awesome for those with a D voter registration. But not with all the GOP Trumpers who loved The Intercept when it was exposing Obama, Hillary and the DNC; for THAT cohort, now The Intercept is going to be THE ABOMINATION.
Ditto for Wikileaks.
“Wikileaks”. Right.
And the releases of the Podesta emails (35 batches if memory serves) were an exposure necessity, rather than a partisan attempt (and a foreign one at that) to maximizing their impact on the election?
Why do you put Wikileaks in scare quotes? Is there not really a Wikileaks?
I was quoting you.
You mean the single-minded advocating for Trump, using interpretations and innuendos as facts while ignoring, downplaying, or only rudimentary referring to other candidates’ shortcomings, exposing nothing but inability for complex thought required by comparing candidates rather than pushing political convictions, and vehemently ignoring that in election, support for one candidate IS rejection of the others, and undermining one candidate’s bid IS an immediate boon for all others?
If only for a moment, GG is a journalist again, not a partisan demagogue. What is the harm in that? (Unless there is a flaw in the article I missed).
Eh. I became a fan when he was going after Dubya and have appreciated his work since. I didn’t vote for Trump, but I am extremely pleased with the outcome of the election as I would have taken Charles Manson over HRC. Anyway, we are in to our third administration with Glenn as a journalist, I’ve been here throughout, and I’ve been a registered Republican (but a libertarian, really) the whole time. There is probably a selection bias here that only, er, more refined Republicans come here anyway, so I don’t think you’re correct, Mona. I think the few Republicans around here are fine holding Trump accountable. It is the Democrats that set their policies based on who is in the Oval Office — Glenn noted repeatedly Cheney’s admiration of Obama’s foreign policy, for instance.
And I assure you that I am. There were always a few Republicans, during the Bush years, who were in agreement with and supportive of Glenn’s positions. There might be a few more this time.
But in general, it’s gonna be the Dems all going kissy-kissy again, while the GOP once again has him on their shit list. Cuz really, he never fell off that last one, not for the GOP that was neocon/natsec. They sided with Obama where Glenn and Snowden are concerned.
She is a rank serial lying propagandist,for whom truth is an enemy.
Her agenda is America hatred,expressed over and over again,and a foul mouthed commie creep to boot.
You can bet this human will critique Trumps mistakes as I critiqued the 3 previous scumbags,as I have no imprisoning ideology other than America First.
really ??? WTF ??? … Trump is GOP ???
… are you referring to the same GOP who’s position during the last election was to vote for the Democratic candidate HRClinton???
… the same GOP who rolled out every Republican ex-President to dis-endorse Trump and suggest supporting Clinton???
… the same GOP who’s current Speaker in the U$ House of Representatives refused to support the “nominated GOP” POTU$ candidate???
you will have t forgive my misconceptions – clearly living outside the U$A is hampering my understanding of what’s happening over there.
from here, it looks as though the election was:
1) The Establishment Vs Trump
… with The Establishment hampered by its own tricks and hurdles (gerrymanders, voter registration nuances etc …)
and
2) The rejection of the two-party system.
as frightening as the prospect of a Trump presidency is, the potential that much good will come from it exists (in the form of leaks, organised opposition groups, alternative political paradigms, increased activism, a more engaged public … and hopefully a move away from the DemoPublican kind-of-(but-not-really)-two-party-system).
Allow me to infom you that Donald Trump ran on the Republican ticket. Let me further inform you that his VP is Mike Pence, a far-right, theocratic Republican. I’ll add that Trump’s reportedly considering for Secretary of State two deeply evil Republican authoritarians: Rudy Guiliani or John Bolton.
You do know who Rience Priebus is, right? And Sarah Palin? Newt Gingrich? You are familiar with their uniform party affiliation, right?
Totally correct,and anything she says,get out the kosher salt.
The demoncrats and the rethugs were totally in for the hell bitch.
Trump won with bipartisan support.
As far as cabinet members,nothing is written yet,and Trump is da boss man,unlike Gumby Obomba,the zionist stooge.
In the wake of Trump’s victory and HRC’s defeat, ultra-right-wing libertarians Alex Jones and Ron Paul are currently engaged in a loving & impassioned embrace of Assange, Snowden, and Bill Binney (cf. YouTube) which — given their substantial audiences — could well stand to wield some considerable influence on the public mood and concomitant political climate during the critical months to come. Won’t The Intercept please give due attention to this somewhat unexpected right-wing ‘insurgency’ — which, I guess, would fall under the proper purview, as delegated & assigned, of Trumpdown Mackey. After all, such right-wing ‘revisionism’ could well impact on the likes of Newt Gingrich, and give him and many fellow Republicans cause for second thoughts given that they are, themselves, soon to enjoy the fruits of Wikileaks’ enterprise and labors in having exposed HRC & the DNC as a bunch of low-down scumbags.
With the comment above, “right-wing” has officially lost all meaning.
I don’t know that I recall who this individual is, but at least she gets it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5
The whole piece is well worth the read. If you are inclined please do so.
Thanks for posting the link. I appreciate it.
I’m inclined to think that without the whole superdelegate mess that we might have had a different outcome. Clinton was clearly the wrong candidate.
She’s a commentator (or was) on MSNBC. I’m guessing that most of her fellow MSNBC commentators don’t agree with her assessment here. She’s spot on and I find it interesting and somewhat encouraging that she includes herself as one of those who should be criticized.
In the month or so prior to the election, I received probably a couple dozen email pleas from the DNC to contribute to the Clinton campaign and the D party. I finally returned a responding email citing many of the issues in this article sprinkled with a few well placed obscenities. I even offered up my home and mobile number if somebody at HQ would like to speak with me personally. No takers. I guess they are too busy licking their wounds. Or planning the next disastrous campaign.
@ all who replied
Yep. Couldn’t agree with you more. If the purported “professionals” running things like the DCCC DSCC can’t figure out what’s been staring them in the face for decades, then the party will die or be taken over by others.
I’ve been fine with that for awhile. Because they simply won’t listen. Presumably because their status and livelihoods as “elites” depend on not listening and comprehending that they are and have been catastrophically wrong for decades in the absence of a very charismatic scandal/baggage free Dem like Obama running a great campaign to save their asses, albeit temporarily).
Whether that lesson sinks in and they act on it is where one of the big fights going forward is.
“I’ve been fine with that for awhile. Because they simply won’t listen.”
Yup, me too. And your reasons are pretty much mine, as well. Because of their persistent tin-ear, I’ve gone from jumping the party ship years ago to actually wanting Trump to win.
I don’t say this last lightly – but I’ve seen (especially locally) that once folks get so intractable in their thinking and so side-tracked by their own place within the party that policy positions are overridden by these personal concerns then it’s no longer enough to shout louder – it’s simply time to get completely new people to represent my interests.
so….. not a word about Wikileaks, Julian Assange and his co-worker? I’m sure your readers realize that the world, not just the US, needed to know about the doing of the Democrats, Hillary Clinton, The Clinton Foundation, Podesta and hopefully more to come. I would expect Wikileaks to leak anything pertaining to Donald Trump as well. Just a question…is Wikileaks your competitor?
Time will tell… but at this time, I think the Hillary/DNC executed a hit on Assange.
If so, wouldn’t John Pilger say something? Assange is out of internet access, what about data? phone? a note to whoever visits him?
I have been following the reddit posts…it sure does seem very weird.
If it comes to be found that they did…oh my oh my????
FACT: Assange was inside of an EMBASSY.
FACT: Claim: Cut off his internet??
Did they cut off ALL COMMUNICATIONS including internet into AN EMBASSY?
NO, OF COURSE NOT.
SO… Where’s Assange?
Right, i never believed he was cut off, we can look at this as two options.
He’s taken and alive or dead.
Or he is still in the embassy, has internet and is playing their game.
Both sides gain from not knowing, or not telling.
When his main lawyer was possibly killed…a huge red flag came to his attention.
This “chest” game required a new approach.
FYI… https://twitter.com/i/moments/798135869550903296
I THINK ASSANGE IS TOAST.
COLLAR AND TIE ON CAT…
MARITIME SIGNAL FLAGS
SOS
Wouldn’t Glen Greenwald know? Snowden? The many people who worked with him?
A hit would be top secret
Trump era hasn’t started yet, but you already know. Herd thinkers.
You know, the Intercept could have been great. Pity that it didn’t happen, we could always use some objective journalism.
like Redstate?
Thank you Glen and everyone else who does this very important work. I will support in any way possible.
But I will not blame facebook…..
Any chance you’ll do a Q&A with your readers anytime soon?
This statement should be incorporated into the mission statement of every media enterprise.
But, a few things that you left out: Trump has an extremely well-established record of trying to silence the media (Trump v. O’Brien – http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431575/donald-trump-tim-obrien-courtroom-story and Trump wants to open up libel laws – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/donald-trump-vows-to-open-up-libel-laws-to-make-suing-the-media-easier-heres-how-he-could-do-it/amendment-protections-for-reporters/)
Additionally, he has touted, and his campaign spokesperson has recently confirmed, that he is keeping an enemies list – made up first and foremost of media critics (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/donald-trump-banned-publications)
These facts make GG’s admonition even more dire.
Thanks for this reaffirmation Glenn and for keeping the critique live during the dry years of the Obama administration.
It’s going to be interesting watching the same people who praised you during the W regime, then cast you into the wilderness – well, what they considered “wilderness” – for the past eight years, welcome your critique again with open, if seriously compromised, arms.
Pedinska, GG tweeted about this!
Glenn Greenwald ?@ggreenwald Nov 9
Welcome back, my pre-1/20/2009 friends!
Retweeted Jayel Aheram
Jayel Aheram @aheram
Prediction: Democrats will rediscover @ggreenwald and suddenly respect him again for his adversarial stance towards a GOP president.
HA HA HA! Dying.
Amen!
The institutional forces of government, business, NGOs, civic groups, et al, still have a tremendous amount of access and power to disseminate what those in top positions of power do not want publicized.
I’m going to put my faith in the individuals working in those institutions to do the right thing when the time comes–disclose information and let the people decide.
I think government secrecy, except in the most limited contexts, is anathema to even the possibility of “democracy” or “representative government”. We can’t have the “rule of law” if it is secret from the objects of its rulings. We can’t have “fair trade” if all of the negotiations and the various parties “interests” are secret from the people–that’s just oligarchy. We can’t have a “right to vote” if that “right” isn’t accompanied by a near unfettered “right to transparency” in almost every single thing our government does.
This “technocratic” I’m from an Ivy league school and know what’s best for America schtick (particularly among Democratic Party partisans) is never going to maintain the legitimacy it needs to prevent some serious social unrest, upheaval and violence. The elites better think long and hard about where this is all headed unless they want to see something really bad happen not just to large swaths of the American people but the politicians real “constituents” the people who fund them.
People aren’t quite as stupid as elites think they are. And you can only fool them for so long before the reality of the present situation (and their futures) comes crashing down on them.
Hi rr. Just seeing the path that the corporatist Dems have been taking in the last few days since the election, it seems clear they feel that the lower classes have fucked everything up for them and there is a subtext that only people with the proper class interests should be making decisions about leadership. The fact that Howard Dean thinks he is the perfect person to head the DNC is an infuriating aspect of this. This kind of thinking will, among other things, lead to more restrictions and tampering with voting. When people like this have their privilege undermined, you don’t know what they might do….
Yep. If someone like Ellison or some other young progressive doesn’t get tapped, expect to see more of the same and worse. Just my $0.02.
We’ll just have to organize and be prepared to exploit any divisions within the GOP coalition, and attempt to help point the Democratic Party in an entirely new direction. Otherwise, what’s the point?
Both parties in some many ways are losing legitimacy rapidly. And that’s an opportunity for those best positioned and organized to take advantage of those divisions.
They are indeed losing legitimacy. Arrogance and overreach will finally do them in. They are going to hold on to privilege, power, and riches like grim death. Imagine having that kind of disease.
I can’t imagine that kind of disease. I was raised simply with what we needed not necessarily what we thought we wanted. When through opportunity and hard work over time, my parents could afford nicer things, they were still pretty frugal.
But those “opportunities” for most working class people (i.e. opportunity and stable income which doesn’t even have to be great but predictable so it can be planned around and goals set that can be achieved) are gone.
And if the nominal party of the working class in this country can’t figure that out–and yes there are solutions to revitalize manufacturing in this country (if Germany can so can America), and provide opportunities for those who will be outsourced, or replaced with technology, or whatever, then you better expect that the discontent will continue to grow and the legitimacy of America’s elites and the institutions they control will continue to fail. That’s as predictable as day following night, and well established in human history.
Let them “retrain” to “eat cake” isn’t a winning political or economic philosophy. And if it is necessarily true that automation is going to make manual and unskilled labor less necessary, you better start considering reducing everyone’s work hours to make more work, or think about providing displaced folks with guaranteed incomes and health care until the population and amount of viable work reaches a new equilibrium. Or you can prepare for shit to be burned down by those with no economic futures.
There is certainly more unrest in our future, and the militarization of our police is in part in preparation for that. But even putting unrest aside, the rich are cutting off their own legs when they force policies that create more and more unemployment and they prey (e.g., the banks) on our municipalities by crippling them with unbearable debt, as Taibbi has written about. Their wealth depends upon consumers and upon our taxes being used to shift wealth to the already wealthy. There will be a point where they cannot bleed us all any more. Our economy, and indeed the survival of the earth (see Chomsky on this: http://www.jungundnaiv.de/2016/10/23/noam-chomsky-the-alien-perspective-episode-284-english/) depend upon sustainability.
Yep. That’s why I’ve never associated being “wealthy” with being smart, or morally virtuous, or anything else.
Most people who become “wealthy” is because they focus their life’s energy on entering those professions which provide them a path to accumulating wealth, and then attempting to grow that wealth as “capitalists”. That’s it.
The normative problems in society are “distributive” and “valuation”. Why are teachers and janitors, and the work they do, valued so much less than say a bank CEO, when teachers and janitors, and the work they do, adds more value to more lives on a daily basis than what a bank CEO does on a daily or yearly basis?
I think I know why, but most people don’t. And it isn’t “supply and demand”, which is nonsense. It’s a choice made by elites about how they construct the overarching economic policy schemes (“valuation” metrics, incentives, rewards) and cultural narratives in a capitalist milieu to effectuate those chosen “ends” and “rewards distribution”. And its fucking rigged, trust me, and I think the working class are starting to wake up to that reality even though they may not quite understand that and choose to scapegoat those lower on the economic/social ladders than themselves. But this situation has happened before in America and can provide a tremendous opportunity if it is seized by the right elites with the right organizational capacity to teach and motivate, and create a much reformed political economy. Or you get Hitler or Mussolini or something like that. But I’m still going to believe the latter isn’t very likely in America for a whole bunch of reasons.
Now the status quo may reassert or re-entrench itself, temporarily, but I think it is on very rocky soil at present and won’t last. What comes next is up to the people. Interesting if uncertain times no matter what we think about much of anything at the moment.
RR,
I came from and immigrant family (from Syria would you believe); My grandparents came with enough capital to by a small farm that is today the center of Framingham, Mass., although they sold it way too early to benefit. I took advantage of the push my family gave me to enter a top public school in Boston, Mass.; my record there gave me automatic admission at full scholarship to MIT or Harvard. I chose the former, stayed almost ten years and entered industry with a newly minted Sc.D. degree. I left industry to found my own company and produced innovations, based on 23 patents, for the biomedical industry. We employed 40 ,mostly disadvantaged people, and trained them to do the jobs needing done.We provided health insurance and profit sharing. I lost it all on phony product liability litigation aided and abetted by a crooked USFDA (that you must well comprehend). Along the way I accumulated retirement funds that keep us comfortable in our illness plagued 80s. I supported Bernie and voted for Dr. Stein. I detest the Clintons and all they represent. I detest President-elect Trump but hope he won’t be as bad as we fear. I read The Intercept daily especially what you and Mona write. I used to read The Guardian (beginning in 1957) while on a Fulbright in the UK.
Where do you place me on your arc of “distributive and valuation”?
First I’d have to know much more about the following to come to any meaningful analysis, particularly the claim of “phony product liability litigation” and/or assistance from “crooked USFDA” (not saying it isn’t possible but not going to form any opinions without knowing more):
But as far as this goes:
Then my opinion is I think you are someone who understands/understood what a positive feedback loop business model should look like in America–for all businesses (notwithstanding what happened to yours or why). And I commend you for it. It is the future. And the only future that is going to work, because “capitalism” without such impulses (whether enforced by law, or by enlightened “business theory”) can only yield what it yields–a zero sum game.
Again, if all that is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then all I can do is praise you as an enlightened businessperson.
Now personally I don’t think “health insurance” should be tied to employment for any human being and that’s an entirely different problem not of your creation. I’m sure every business person in America, or the world, would like to not have to deal with any way in funding or having piece of mind that their employees have access to quality health care and it has been a very misguided part of America’s policy history to tie “work” status to “health care delivery” (universal health care to all citizens make better more reliable employees for every employer full stop). It shouldn’t be an employers responsibility or financial burden in any way.
I think “health care” should be a human right, and particularly in any advanced economy, and that the only issue is “distributive priorities” as a function of our political economy i.e. is the “general welfare” served better by government funding of it via taxation, rather than the military industrial complex, or subsidies to antiquated energy models.
But that leads to a whole host of other questions or problems I have with how “justice” is a function of “profit seeking” lawyers, and “health care delivery” is a function of “profit-seeking” doctors in America. Neither “justice” nor “health care delivery” should be operated on a profit seeking incentive by anyone involved. They should be motivated and funded as a “public goods” because they are necessary to the quality and opportunity for all people’s lives at all times. In other words, certain endeavors should be subsidized (cost of education and ultimate capped salaries) by all of us as citizens, and be accessible to all based on need and necessity, and engaged in by those we identify as best suited to be lawyers and doctors in sufficient numbers to serve the needs of the most. Not just the relatively more affluent.
Like I said, I think capitalism without real restraint and legally mandated re-distributive properties is destined to fail. Total state ownership of key industries has flaws too. But there needs to be a hybridized solution, and I believe there can be if we can demonstrate that doing so yields better more cost effective solutions for all involved.
Same goes for education in my book. Those are the four big things government should have a very large hand in, in my opinion–health care, education, “justice”, and necessary infrastructure (telecommunications, roads, postal service). And I don’t think there should be much “profit extraction” permissible in any of them except to the extent they provide reasonably salaries to those who engage in those endeavors on behalf of the government.
I also think there should be “state banks” to force private sector banks to compete with them. That’s why I bank at a credit union and largely always have (although that isn’t perfect either).
Well let me clarify part of that, employers should be responsible for the cost of universal health care delivery except to the extent they pay taxes on their “income” or “profits” just like an employee does on his wages and salary. And not only do I believe taxation should be graduated and progressive in this nation, I think income and capital gains should be treated precisely the same in that regard. I don’t understand the logic or utility of treating the interest or ROI on my capital differently from that of wages except to the extent that that’s the way adherents of capitalist ideology want it. But there’s no moral or normative reason they should be to my mind.
Thanks for your fulsome reply. I will need to digest it before responding. For more background:
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa412_1.pdf
Um, as a lawyer and in particular one who has done a fair amount of plaintiff’s work and focused on it in law school, I am well versed in the Dalkon Shield and silicon breast implant litigation.
I’m going to tell you right up front, I’m not buying into anything Cato has to say about it.
Notwithstanding that, unless one of your patents was for either, then I still don’t have an opinion on the merits of your patents or your “innovations for the biomedical industry.”
Here’s the bottom line (and this is a complicated problem)–I think all the bodies that regulate everything from food to biomedical devices should have the resources and expertise to fully vet each and every product people put into their bodies that is sold for profit for mass consumption, independent of the creator or industries claims about it. It is good science and good business, and prevents inappropriate litigation (to the degree it exists which in my opinion is a very very small subset of all commercial litigation i.e. products liability or warranty etc.) in the long run.
I am not someone who believes in tort reform (at least not in the normal sense as I’ll explain below) because I know entirely too much about the industry that insures businesses, medical devices, pharmaceuticals et al. But if someone was to both increase dramatically the money spent on the regulatory infrastructure in these areas, while simultaneously passing on the benefits to the American people (i.e. consumers and funders through taxpayer dollars at NIH and public universities) of these innovations and products (instead of capitalists and shareholders) then I might be convinced to create pools of money for catastrophic mistakes or harm caused by them to some minority of victims (for whatever reason) if reasonable scientifically viable causation is established as more likely than not.
Short of that “tort reform” is propaganda. I know the statistics on “tort” litigation in the context you are speaking and in the medical industry specifically it amounts to only at most 2% of the total cost of health care products and services. It isn’t “the problem” and I will never be convinced otherwise because I’ve read most of the relevant studies and literature on the topic.
That is not to say there isn’t some very small subset of the plaintiff’s bar nationwide that excels in creating leverage out of these sorts of cases inappropriately. And maybe yours was one. But I am well aware of the legal standards (which are some of the highest in the law as burdens of production and proof) necessary to successfully litigate these cases. And almost always where big settlements are achieved or bankruptcies forced on these companies it’s because there was a very serious problem.
And look, here’s another bottom line for me, if this nation spent as much money on prevention (better diet, better food, better exercise, less smoking etc) as it does on R & D and medically treating the symptoms of health conditions and diseases “for-profit”, we wouldn’t need half the crap big pharma and the medical device industry produces. That is not to say we shouldn’t adequately fund and provide those medical goods and services to those regardless, and that is not to argue that the medical industry has not significantly demonstrated novel and life-saving goods, services, treatments and procedures (especially vaccines against mass communicable diseases that used to kill or maim lots of humans–even though sometimes imperfect or with side effects for a small minority) that improve peoples quality of life (because it has), but I am not the biggest fan of “modern medicine”. It is wrong minded in most every way. IMHO.
Human beings get disease and medical conditions (outside physical injuries) by and large because we are living our lives in a polluted world full of harmful chemicals and substances, unclean air and water, poor lifestyles and diets, and because our lives and work are totally disconnected from how we’ve evolved as a species until just recently. That is not to say genetics doesn’t play a significant role for some, but not the majority.
I’m not one of those guys who thinks “technology” is going to save mankind. Quite the opposite in fact. The only thing that will save mankind is a total reorientation to a different “way of life”. And arguably a real serious reduction in the human population all over the globe. But until then the problems remain “distributive” ones not that we can’t produce enough foods and shelter and education and health care for everyone on the planet if we wanted to, and to survive with a little human dignity. IMHO.
RR,
Cato did not write that analysis, I did. And, I provided the text references and the quotations.Please read again and follow the references and tell me specifically where we went wrong. I spent hundreds of hours watching the use of our products in the OR. I was a medical school professor for 30 years. I saw the post-op results in patients with maiming conditions restored to normality. These things happened because of the labors of the respective physicians operating and the people in my laboratory and companies. I write whereof I know.
rr, won’t you pleeeeeeeeez join us on twitter?
” And almost always where big settlements are achieved or bankruptcies forced on these companies it’s because there was a very serious problem.”
Yes, the problems may be as i outlined in my analysis; do you countenance arbitration?
Yep. Dean sure is the perfect poison…
It is good to know that The Intercept will be there as a stalwart of freedom in these dangerous times.
The fact that liberals are waiting anxiously to expose wrongdoing by the new administration is a clear silver lining of this election. It will be a breath of fresh air to have a real opposition again. The free pass given to Obama by liberal media (present company excluded, of course) was a detriment to peace and prosperity.
Indeed. One should hold both sides (or rather, multiple sides), to the same standard.
While I agree that the dissemination of information, which the PTB will continue to try and conceal from the public, is of utmost importance, I suspect that the consequences of that which is concealed will become more and more obvious over time. I’d bet that those consequences will be more difficult to hide.