The polite but firm scolding administered to the Vice President-elect, Mike Pence, by the cast of “Hamilton” on Friday night — in which they expressed their alarm at the new administration’s lack of commitment to racial and gender equality, protections for the rights of the LGBTQ community and action on climate change — reverberated across social networks, racking up millions of views on Facebook and hundreds of thousands of shares on Twitter.
Tonight, VP-Elect Mike Pence attended #HamiltonBway. After the show, @BrandonVDixon delivered the following statement on behalf of the show. pic.twitter.com/Jsg9Q1pMZs
— Hamilton (@HamiltonMusical) November 19, 2016
The message, written by the show’s creator, Lin-Manuel Miranda, with input from the cast and crew, certainly reached Trump Tower, less than a mile away from the Richard Rodgers Theater, since it inspired a fit from the man whose divisive campaign stirred the alarm and anxiety the cast described, Donald Trump.
Despite the intensely civil tone of this act of dissent, Trump inaccurately claimed that Pence “was harassed” by the cast of the play, and then described their plea for tolerance as “very rude,” before demanding an apology.
Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2016
The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2016
Although Pence was met with a mixture of boos and applause by audience members before the show, the actor who plays Vice President Aaron Burr, Brandon Victor Dixon, silenced scattered jeers when he addressed the incoming vice president during the curtain call at the end.
“There’s nothing to boo, ladies and gentlemen, there’s nothing to boo,” Dixon said. “We have a message for you, sir, and we hope that you will hear us out,” he added, pulling a piece of paper from his pocket.
Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at “Hamilton: An American Musical.” We really do.
We, sir, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.
Thank you truly for seeing this show, this wonderful American story, told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations.
After Trump’s indignant response on Twitter the following morning, it was left to the actor to explain to the man who will swear to uphold the Constitution on January 20 that the expression of dissent is not harassment.
@realDonaldTrump conversation is not harassment sir. And I appreciate @mike_pence for stopping to listen.
— Brandon Victor Dixon (@BrandonVDixon) November 19, 2016
Trump’s fit of pique over theater professionals expressing their First Amendment rights did divert attention away from perhaps more significant developments, like a Washington Post report that foreign diplomats are spending money at his new hotel in Washington in a clear attempt to curry favor with him, and that he had agreed, on Friday, to pay $25 million to former students of Trump University who sued him for fraud.
It is totally unprecedented for a President-elect of the United States to have to settle fraud lawsuits before taking office.
— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) November 18, 2016
The attention paid to the “Hamilton” protest prompted some objections that reporters were giving too much weight to the president-elect’s temper tantrum and not enough to the lawsuit or the many financial conflicts of interest he has shown no interest in resolving before he takes office.
If I'd just settled a $25 million fraud suit, I'd probably be pretty happy if the news the next morning focused on my associate being booed
— jason (@JasonKirkSBN) November 19, 2016
Bannon is baiting us, has been for awhile: knows there will be an outrage cycle, distract from other goonery, deepen divisions, excite base. https://t.co/TOUOpbfwAQ
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 19, 2016
There is an argument, though, that Trump’s inability to brook dissent, in a nation where more than 53 percent voted against him, could turn out to be a central issue during his strange presidency. His election with a minority of the nation’s votes, thanks to the “genius” of the electoral college system, matched with his obsessive need for approval through ratings and poll numbers, could make reminders of his unpopularity particularly powerful and important.
As more votes are being counted in states where he was trounced, like California, Trump’s share of the popular vote now stands at 46.7 percent and looks certain to fall further.
CA: 419k new Clinton votes, 199k Trump. Clinton's popular vote lead surpasses 1.67 million (1.3%) w/ millions left. https://t.co/j58GaxfPmH
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 19, 2016
That means that, for all the talk of his election giving him a mandate to undo the accomplishments of President Obama, he takes office with the support of a minority of voters — having secured a lower share of the vote than even Mitt Romney did four years ago — and over the objections of an unprecedented majority of the country that views him negatively.
According to Gallup’s post-election poll, 55 percent of Americans view Trump unfavorably, as against just 42 percent favorably.
Gallup finds Trump has the worst favorability of any president-elect in modern American history. pic.twitter.com/2D0tbiJuvF
— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) November 17, 2016
Holed up in his tower, Trump might be able to spend much of his time shutting out the reality of his unpopularity, but as a Twitter and cable-news addict, constantly monitoring the networks for material to shore up his ego, messages of dissent, particularly those as powerfully stated as the one from “Hamilton,” will no doubt continue to reach and unsettle him.
Sorry, but this article is not up to the standard I’ve come to expect of the Intercept. The sarcastic reference to the “genius” of the Electoral College is foremost followed closely by references to Trump’s election by a minority of voters and lack of commitment to gender and racial equality. The election of a president is vital to choose a leader who best represents all of America. The Electoral College Map shows Trump did with all his failings do that. It was shameful that we didn’t have a better set of candidates. We have largely the DNC to blame for that. Clinton needed a very disagreeable opponent to make her more palatable. The notion that we must have both racial and gender “equality” assumes that those groups are in fact equal. The so called glass ceiling for women is partly myth caused by the less than proportionate representation by women in the pool of candidates. Given candidates of equal qualifications, of course there should not be a barrier. The same is true of racial representation. Over, “equal” results can and should wait for that equality of skills. Trump’s success at business shows he very well might be far more fair than expected by is naysayers. I’ll wait and see and in the meantime cut him some slack.
FYI, Chelsea Clinton is tweeting about “dementia”…
Hmmmm … I recon they are starting to set up their defenses to criminal prosecution as pedophile slave traffickers????
From selective forgetfulness to full-blown dementia in two weeks?
A negative medical miracle. The only kind Hilary can deliver.
So glad we dodged the Clinton Dynasty Bullet.
Give me eight years of any number of pompous, hypocritical thespian and CIANN media blovioators over one day of Clinton rule.
Text of Chelsea’s dementia tweet:
“Innovative new dementia research is using a video game to learn about thought processes:”
If I’d paid $1000 to go to the theater and enjoy myself… but, instead, got to be insulted or castigated or chided by one of the actors, I’D BE PISSED.
That dickhead on stage had no right to ruin Pence’s recreational time — especially paid for out of Pence’s own pocket.
If I was Pence, I would’ve asked for a refund on the spot … formally complained to management… and, in Pence’s case, published a scathing review of the actor’s performance in the newspaper.
The actor was totally out of line.
How about giving the guy a chance? So what if he got 46% of the votes? Bill Clinton never received 50% of the vote in two elections. In 1992 he got 43%, didn’t make him any less of a legitimate winner.
I’m sure there’ll be valid reasons to criticize him after Jan 20, based on what he actually does as President.
Trump shouldn’t give the racist black actor a platform to stand on. Black racism is in vogue with the media. All non-liberal white people are suppose to be ashamed to be white and if we aren’t then we’re racist. Giving these racist idiots a discussion with the President-elect is stupid on Trumps part.
Yes..and people are sick and tired of it. What these people want is for white people, mainly white males preferably middle aged to fall down to theirknees, cry and beg for forgiveness for some transgression done in the past. You nailed it when you said black racism is in vogue….basically…anything a white man says….”you are a racist and your opinion doesn’t matter because your are of the dominant class keeping every body down..blah blah blah….Donald Trump is your comeuppance…enjoy him
The polite but firm lecture had no place on a theatre stage. Sorry, but that was a pompous ass-showing load of bullshit, and a perfect illustration of why the bubble DNC lost this election.
Try to imagine how convinced you would be if the shoe were on the other foot. Were these jackasses TRYING to alienate half of the country?
Know what? This guy is onto something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3iKj28KqNg
All the anecdotes of Donald Trump being “thin-skinned” are well-substantiated – this is not a (particularly) good quality in a leading Head of State. (He gets very insecure when being called a “loser”, or when his hands are the subject of ridicule.) He needs to understand that many Americans, particularly Muslims and non-whites, are deeply concerned about whatever prospects a Trump presidency might bring. Trump has no qualms about perpetrating a con job, if his past history is any indication. Therefore, even his assurances that people “have nothing to fear” should be taken with a grain of salt.
If Trump got so easily bent out of shape by what was, at worst, an innocuous statement – he’ll get much more than he bargained for, as POTUS. The implications here are worrisome.
Hillaryous;Did you hear the HB attacked Mook and Podesta in a drunken rage after her defeat?
Blames everyone but herself for her defeat?
A bullet dodged,and imagine the debt she would have owed the zionists if elected.My God.
Here she was,selling access to American policy by bribes from foreign potentates.And not a word from her masters.
A traitor,and if she is to be prosecuted,that is the angle to pursue.
I did hear about this – actually, I saw the photo. (According to a source, she [may have] also called Donna Brazile a “baboon”, which definitely carries some racist connotations.) She’s a spoiled brat who feels entitled to the keys to the kingdom. There was a picture of her drinking what appears to be Magners, in front of some other people (the lady next to her was laughing). Supposedly, several people in her staff rejoiced at her electoral defeat – it’s no secret that many of her own staffers don’t like her. The incident in Manhattan where she fell was a source of entertainment for them. Also, she has attacked her husband Bill on numerous occasions.
This election really was a battle of the devil you know (Clinton) vs. the devil you don’t know (Trump) – at least as far as politics go.
>>> Did you hear the HB attacked Mook and Podesta in a drunken rage after her defeat? <<<
She got pissed at them because they are wacko-sicko-occult pedophile cannibal human traffickers and got caught… and Hillary and her State Dept is implicated, too.
These crimes get them 20 years per count. If anyone can prove that a death occurred during one of these pedo meals… they'll get the electric chair for sure.
>>> All the anecdotes of Donald Trump being “thin-skinned” are well-substantiated – this is not a (particularly) good quality in a leading Head of State.<<<
Maybe you prefer a pedophile cannibal in the White House known as Hillary Clinton.
PROOF: READ THE WHOLE PAGE FROM A BOOK…
https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5deqjr/firsthand_account_of_what_hillary_clinton_did_to/
THEN WATCH THE VIDEO: STARTING AT ~9 MINUTES… PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF…
https://youtu.be/Laon3_ob54A
Clintons and their gang should be thrown into a cell with Charles Manson.
(PS… To the naysayers… If someone published a book like this about me, I'd sue for criminal libel. Clinton's haven't cuz they know it's true… and that they couldn't win.)
The only kind of people that seem ‘bent out of shape’ are yours.
Trump’s rational response in no way justifies your absurdly hysterical claim.
It does however expose you to the ridicule of your betters.
Hamilton never could shoot straight.
You would think that Hamilton would know better than to mess with a Vice President again.
Trump and Pence are Nazi sick basterds who like all right wing nuts exist in a universe of self delusion and hate. Gee we will pass oppressive laws anti American and anti constitution but don’t challenge us on it, that would be rude.
Deplorable… spelling.
This tweet was made to divert attention away from his right wing cabinet appointments. Trump is good at diversion. People stop and cant understand how trump didnt understand the message or meaning…thats what he wants. He purposely ‘misrepresents’ the event and masters the media moment for days afterwards in the media. Meanwhile the rascit lobby runs in and robs the bank.
priceless
Look who wants a fucking safe space now.
https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/800008048848683008
She made a very light-weight joke…and RWNJs all grabbed their pee-pees or clutched their pearls…
The nihilism of the super-rich, which threatens to dehumanize the rest (truly the former live as if on a planet apart, where the “gravity” of their actions is visited with almost scientific regularity not on themselves, but externalized till it falls crushingly on the majority “other”). The strategy of the Democrats, especially the Clinton Democrats, was to serve as forceful secret apologists for the aforesaid super-rich, especially those represented by the banking and other post-industrial sectors while publicly espousing a strategically virtuous, i.e. in reality virtual, discourse of incremental but ultimately positively unidirectional progress (“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”) But, as stated, this ethic was preponderantly more virtual, in the actually occurring substrata of economic and geopolitical reality, than it was “virtuous” (pace “America is great because America is good”). In any case, the strategy obviously aimed to mask over the nihilism of the oligarchic system (its inherent valuelessness outside the power conferred by wealth, the wealth conferred by power), while remaining–in fact, protected from being by their own apologism for the same–never more than superficially “fillable.” The insurgent nationalist “Trumpian” Republicans, intellectually defined and spearheaded by Stephen Bannon, offer a topically diametric strategy for filling, or rather again masking over, the aforesaid nihilism of the super-rich controlled system (celebrated by Hayek as the most advanced, indeed revolutionary, form of human individualism), in this case, with a nostalgic espousal of Christian nationalism circa the late 19th and early 20th centuries in the West. Case in point,: a neoliberalism aestheticized by the discourse of political correctness abhors criticism of any major religion per se, Islam manifestly included, even as it, via the embodying figure of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, advocated nationally destructive and exceedingly deadly wars in Libya, Syria, as well as abetting Israeli and Saudi war crimes in Palestine and Yemen respectively–however Islam itself is symbolically, ostentatiously on principle, defended, even while the Western, e.g. NATO, war machine simultaneously devastated entire Muslim-majority nations as apparently part of the process of global progress(?).
The Trumpian “Judeo-Christian” (Bannon’s self-definition) revival would apparently replace the increasingly self-invalidating contradictions of a war crime-enabling politically correct discourse of human rights and R2P with the classic nativism-cum-chauvinism redolent of an earlier, ostensibly more glorious (and supposedly thoroughly non-nihilist) age of American history, one wherein one could supposedly be a plutocrat, a non-hypocritical Christian, and a convinced chauvinist without experiencing the slightest conflict or non-coincidence of identities–at least in theory, for, in practice, of course, quite likely the purpose, most certainly the effect, is simply that of another strategy of oligarchic apologism, the very kind that inevitably masks over the dehumanizing nihilism of the same by way of an essentially jingoist, as opposed to politically correct, popularly-directed discourse.
How exactly? By simply conflating the wealth/power acquired in a “free market” with the liberty to define for oneself that which is moral (relativism)? By encouraging “others” to doctrinally embrace a concept of individualism that allows them to single-mindedly strive for wealth at the expense of an all-encompassing definition of the “common good”? Or, does it go a bit deeper than that. Hasn’t the emergence of scientific dogma given rise to a cosmology in which the universe is being depicted as a self-creating, self-annihilating, close-ended, time-space loop that is completely devoid of a grand design or purpose? Aren’t those who propagate this notion of reality convinced that man is merely the product of random processes that begins with spontaneous creation ex nihilo? And what of rational thought processes themselves that, when left to their own devise, incrementally result in the self-congratulatory belief that they alone are the mean by which nature can be harnessed in service to man. And doesn’t the cascade of material benefits derived from this reason-centric view of the universe serve to reinforce the panoptic belief that all observable phenomena, including mental phenomena and consciousness, are merely the result of an evolving chain of material interactions whose origin is nothingness, and whose primal state is chaos? And doesn’t this way of thinking necessarily result in existential reductionism whereby man is merely defined in biochemical terms? Given that this view of man is full internalized by society-at-large, one would think that the neoliberal emphasis on individualism – the dogmatic belief that upward mobility solely relies on personal effort – would be doomed to fail as nature itself would be seen as the primary determinant of each man’s capacity to compete in a free market, global economy. Given the belief that each man’s capacity to compete in a free market, global economy is largely determined by nature itself, isn’t it logical to conclude that economic stratification is a predictable outcome even in the best of circumstance? And if wealth actually equates as power, then isn’t there legitimacy to the claim that the elites were predestined by the natural order to rule? And if the elites themselves understand that they are intended to rule, then isn’t their professed fidelity to Lockian notions of individual sovereignty and self-determination (as envisioned by the founding fathers) largely the dross of emerging economic sensibilities. Apropos of the foregoing, isn’t the evolutionary rise of an oligarchic system of government perceived as a Fait accompli in the minds of those who believe that they were born to rule? Isn’t this what the average Joe feels in his gut, but cannot quite grasp on an intellectual level – the illusion of choice that is offered by the two-party duopoly that invariably results in policies that favor the elite, perpetuate the status quo, and an ever deeper sense of powerlessness and futility for the common man?
Isn’t the Trumpian “Judeo-Christian” revival to which you refer merely an attempt to provide the masses with a renewed sense of purpose through which the American driven advance of a global economic order can once again be seen as an extension of their own religious faith and the product of their collective good works? Wasn’t it a necessity that a purportedly “self-made man” be tasked with renewing the protestant ethic of self-reliance during this presidential election cycle? Is it possible that the curiously concurrent reemergence of cold war political tensions was intended to work in concert with a renewed sense of divine purpose to reinvigorate a spirit of ideological competition between nation states as a stop-gap measure for the inherent ontological deficiencies of scientism? Isn’t this the real purpose for the oligarchic apologism to which you refer?
Yes, that is pretty much what I was saying (though, to be sure, not so punctiliously), and, I might add, in what I afterwards discovered was apparently an unaware concurrence with many of the classic concerns of John Adams’s:
http://declaration.fas.harvard.edu/blog/mayville
http://www.libertylawsite.org/2016/11/08/john-adams-rules-for-dealing-with-american-oligarchy/
Hi Lud,
Thanks for the feed back and the attached links. For future reference: by including more than one link in single post, you run the risk of it being delayed for publication.
Both articles were well written – although I preferred “A Conversation with Luke Mayville.” The striking parallels between the past and present are testament to the fact that self awareness is key to correctly understanding the critical importance of natural rights and those who endeavor to preserve them in perpetuity.
Thank you for attempting to elevate the level of discussion wherein the present can be viewed in proper context to the past. Absent an understanding of the philosophical underpinnings of the American political system, it is impossible to articulate an informed “critical perspective on the power of elites and the role they play in politics” regardless of the era.
Well done.
We heard them. They are racist and hate Trump because of his race
No doubt it’s all part of that horror story where black police officers shoot unarmed white men with impunity.
White lives matter..
Plus, what is it with those trailer parks? Not all trailer parks are filled with white people you know. That’s just a vicious stereotype.
When those bigots say stuff like “After all, those white people are bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people” that sounds exactly like they hate whites, What other conclusion can you draw about the speaker?
Maybe we should have a ban on all white people coming into the country. They just want to start a Christian National Party and impose their racism on the rest of us/
You’re right. We should call attention to all that hatred.
I know it won’t do much good, but those white people are just asking for it when they act like being stopped and frisked by black officers is discriminatory. White on white crime is out of control!
No they hate Trump and Pence because they are Nazi basterds
Big tough Trump fan is a whiny pansy.
The whole world is feeling trump cuckman lol.. there are TrumpKlones popping up everywhere ..Duterte. Putin.Erdogan. Assad … the whole World is going Populist civic nationalist! The globalist over reached n are now scrambling..earthquake.. the masses no longer buy their Narrative media mass media is now the subject of close scrutiny even by the least aware. Now panic mode. I’m sure the globalists won’t go down without a fight But in the end it’s futile .the Turn has begun a Tsunami in awareness . It’s mathematical. It’s cyclical. The Turn in Awareness .
Get a fucking clock.
Trump was last! All the other gentlemen you mention came first, some of them by decades.
Trump is the clone, fool.
Not sure what that makes you.
I’m waiting for a revival of the musical “Bells Are Ringing” which showcased the song: “The Party’s Over”
This time sung by the DNC choir:
The party’s over, it’s time to call it a day
They’ve burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It’s time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up
The piper must be paid
…..
The party’s over, it’s time to call it a day
They’ve burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end
Take off your makeup, the party’s over
It’s all over, my friend
It’s all over, my friend
Since coopting popular (and unpopular) musicals to validate political opinions — which are as applicable as as a marching band in 1950s Iowa — let me offer my take away from Donald, The Musical. (No,no, not Springtime for Hitler — although we might have a similar plotline to The Producers energubg.)
I rather imagine Donald, The Musical incorporating a song sung by the lead West Side Story:
trump may have some hearing loss
just dont forget
hellary clinton was totally deaf
dr. jill stein could hear well
Les Deplorables is just Hillary’s and the Liberal’s ill-chosen word for Les Miserables.
Liberals loved them on Broadway.
In reality, not so much!
On the one hand, I think the cast did a great job presenting their views and doing it in a calm, reasonable manner. They were straightforward, and they were fair.
OTOH, I’m no fan of Hamilton, based on what Hamilton did and what he stood for. (I’d advise reading the excellent “American Aurora” to counter the view of him, and John Adams (the first unitary executive, the first to wage a war for political purposes, the first to suppress peaceful protest, and the first to try and restrict immigration) that you get most anywhere else.)
Man, that was some damn powerful shit by the cast. Rumor has it that Trump and Pence had a dénouement after which they almost resigned to give Hillary the Oval Office. Trump’s daughter had to stop them.
Here’s another revelation. Trump is popular. About 62,000,000 people voted for him. Clinton barely won the popular vote given the total number of votes. This piece is of the same partisan blindness that lead so-called pundits and writers to dismiss Trump and reduce him and his supporters to identity cliches and stereotypes. This is the same “liberal” arrogance and condescension toward deplorables, 62,000,000 of them, that Hillary and her clique at the DNC display toward other Americans.
How about this for Journalism 101 assignment for this failed piece of …. You have a travel budget, go WI, FL, PA, and MI and talk to say white working class women who overwhelmingly supported him. From what I can tell, nobody from the elite media has bothered. Instead of this nonsense, and your other pieces about those bad foreigners who supported Trump. I assume you are an American, try some real reporting. Maybe you can find something out useful that might actually be used to oppose Trump rather than a bunch of actors engaging in useless symbolism.
by Jie-Song Zhang
If you follow Trump’s Twitter, you see he is strategically framing everything to his base in a way that makes all the intelligent and sensible critiques of his actions appear cartoonish, entitled, hypocritical, and insincere. He is fostering within his followers a profound distrust in all opposing media viewpoints and essentially all rational dissections of his motives and actions. I believe a figure like Bannon is instrumental in this because he – the propagandist – understands the psyche and worldview of certain insulated segments of White America so well. Today many Trump supporters will ignore even a modest consideration of a heartfelt critique by the Hamilton cast. Tomorrow the violent suppression of protests will be just “a media lie”. And then de facto martial law and the confiscation of civil liberties becomes just another “liberal exaggeration”. People could be beaten and locked up by the thousands and a sizable portion of the country will have been mentally trained to not “see” any of it.
Hillaryous,as all the rest of US say you are the brainwashed,and the MSM the vehicle that made you so.
Divide and conquer,and the idiot cast is totally conquered.
Trump is just bypassing serial liars who lie serially,about him,and anything but yesterdays weather, sport scores and stock prices.
I saw a quote,subscriptions are up.Sheesh.
A black lead in “Hamilton” read a little speech to the Vice President Saturday, or to quote this author a “Sch
Yet another example of Republican’s unflinching acceptance of criticism.
Instead of blaming Muslims, Mexicans, terrorists, crooked Hillary and the media, it’s admirable how steely-eyed our president-elect is accepts responsibility.
The Democrats blame everyone but themselves.
I say “good for you, Mr. President Elect.”
It’s all these whiners and complainers blaming everyone but themselves who will ruin it for the rest of us.
Maybe if you pass a new libel law, you can sue crooked Hillary and the rest of the corrupt Democrats.
I don’t know. Maybe you should ask yourself “what would Putin do?”
Or else call him.
Whatever.
Rumor has it a Donald-Vlad musical coalition might form as revenge against this outrage…
Coming soon: Putin on the Ritz
Special guests Al Gore (with his poignant rendition of “It’s Too Darn Hot”) and Bernie Sanders (with his Clinton-endorsing show-stopper “Duty and the Beast.”)
” because I again take my leave ”
Promises, promises.
I’m winding up here, that’s for sure. Didn’t realize you were rushing me out, whoever the fuck you are.
I never said “because I again take my leave,” by the way. You have me confused with Mona.
“You have me confused with Mona.”
It seems mona was complaining about the quality of discourse. You are the only other person to do that. You did state you were heading out because of that and Glenn noted you were not accurate in your accusation.
You got that right… an echo of an echo
I guess you missed that I’m no part of the new forum, by my own volition.
Your comment utterly fails as a piece of writing.
Apparently sufficient to provoke at least one old git.
…and I fart in your general direction, dear Chas
It’s just political theater! Thank you, I’ll be here all week.
On the plus side, perhaps Trump will make all musicals illegal.
I heard that the FEMA camps are going to be converted to gay conversion centers by Mr Pencil Dick.
Are you suggesting musicals are gay? As a bisexual, I’m insulted. Musicals are diabolical monstrosities of entertainment that corrupt the listener with sentimentality and vomit-worthy plotlines, but even Trump is okay with same-sex marriage.
lol no, I was referring to Pence’s love of gay conversion therapy. I have been a supporter of gay rights as far back as I can remember in my 73 years.
“Mr Pencil Dick”
To achieve full impact you should spell it Mr. Pence-ill Dick, and you should promote Santorum as a curative therapy.
You will be able to move out of your cardboard box at last!
You do realize that Broadway,as TV and the film industry,are now in the worst throes of their long existence,with nothing but garbage as product.
Hamilton celebrates a bankster scumbag,every stinking movie is a superhero 10 year olds venue,and TV,fuggetaboutit.
Who runs all of these outlets?The same people who lie to US daily with fake news,propaganda such as this shite, and control all info in their evil campaign of America lobotomy,exemplified by Wapo,the NYlying times,CNN,ABC,CBS,Fox and NBC,and all the retards who thought the Hell Bitch progress instead of obvious regression.
And they are still,like termites ,hard at work on divide and conquer.
Google and Facebook to save US from fake news.Sheesh,zionist repression indeed.
ps…
You know what hard core career criminals do to wacko-sicko pedophiles in prison, don’t you?
In other words, even hardcore career criminals have a baseline of morality. Those who perform these heinous acts are no different than Jeffrey Dahmer.
On the morning of November 28, 1994, Dahmer left his cell to conduct his assigned work detail. Accompanying him were two fellow inmates: Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver. The trio was left unsupervised in the showers of the prison gym for approximately 20 minutes. At approximately 8:10 a.m.[209] Dahmer was discovered on the floor of the bathrooms of the gym suffering from extreme head and facial[210] wounds; he had been severely bludgeoned about the head and face with a 20-inch (51 cm) metal bar.[211] His head had also been repeatedly struck against the wall in the assault.[212] Although Dahmer was still alive and was rushed to a nearby hospital, he was pronounced dead one hour later. Anderson had also been beaten with the same instrument, and died two days later from his wounds.[206][213] Scarver, who was serving a life sentence for a murder committed in 1990, informed authorities he had first attacked Dahmer with the metal bar as he (Dahmer) was cleaning a staff locker room, before attacking Anderson as he (Anderson) cleaned an inmate locker room. According to Scarver, Dahmer did not yell or make any noise as he was attacked. Immediately after attacking both men, Scarver returned to his cell and informed a prison guard: “God told me to do it. Jesse Anderson and Jeffrey Dahmer are dead.”[212][214] Scarver was adamant he had not planned the attacks in advance,[215] although he would later divulge to investigators he had concealed the 20-inch iron bar used to kill both men in his clothing shortly before the killings.[214]
“Gallup finds Trump has the worst favorability of any president-elect in modern American history.”
No doubt one of the same pollsters that didn’t give Trump a chance at winning. Not even worth a grain of salt.
I find myself in the rather awkward position of thanking Mr. Mackey for providing me with such an illustrious example of identity politics in action. Let’s begin with the word “polite” as it was obviously used as hook to provoke an immediate visceral reaction in its readers. Mr. Pence chose to patronize a hit Broadway show with the intention of enjoying an evening out with his wife. Instead, he was verbally accosted by the cast of the show who felt that they were uniquely positioned to publicly slight an incoming VP by means of presumptuously and hypocritically lecturing him on the “inalienable rights” of the individual; where is the “politeness” in that?
It is situations such as this that lay bare the conniving hypocrisy of those who would opportunistically brandish our countries founding principles to selfishly advance their niche concerns at the expense of the common man. This was a theater full of paying customers who attended the performance with the universal expectation of being pleasantly entertained. Instead, they were involuntarily subjected to a politically motivated act of theatrical condescension by those whose very salaries are paid by their patronage. Again where is the “politeness” in that?
Let’s suppose for a moment, that an audience member chose to stand up in the middle of a scene and begin to lecture the cast on stagecraft. Who believes that this could ever be interpreted as a “polite” act by any member of that cast, or the audience? Yet, the well meaning interloper could make the argument that he only had the best interests of the cast and audience in mind when he presumed the right to disrupt the paid performance with an eye to improving it.
In short, “Fuck off Mackey. You are a hack” (I mean that in the nicest way)
“identity politics.” “race baiting” “war on christmas”
Clowns of the right continue to mindlessly chant their slogans…
Clown, Racist, Misogynist, Wingnut, Exceptionalist, Nativist, Heathen, Islamaphopbe, Homophobe, Regressive, Reactionary, Knuckle dragger, sexist, white, Christian
Intellectually challenged individuals on the left continue their mindless use of broad brush smears…
Some of those hitting too close to home for ya?
The “thought spray” that fumes from the mouths of ones detractors is merely spittle on the boots; with a single wipe it renews their shine.
You can get off your knees now. I know when I’ve been licked.
Hmmm… Capricious and solicitous vulgarity? I thought that that was you Mona. What was it that Hugo had to say about narcissism and vulgarity?
“Vulgarity is an old Narcissus who adores herself and applauds the common vulgarity.”
? Victor Hugo, Les Misérables
Yeah,like Trump is vulgar compared to the knuckleheads who drip vulgarity.
Watching football all one sees is sex drug ads.Disgusting vulgarity writ large,fully supported business,and screw all morality and reason.
Drug ads with longer bad effects listed than the drug ad itself.
WTF?
Kudos, Karl! You just metaphorically nailed their scrotums to the floor in an act of Gonzo Performance Art and Mau Mau Improv Guerilla Theater.
The founding principles you say, how about the constitution which Pence and others have tried and failed to massage to their ‘values’. Supreme Court judgements against Pence and his cohorts uphold the constitution, and they are the founding principles.
Given the 1st amendment why should a VP or President be above criticism. Pence’s views are widely known and should be questioned. Why should these elites escape the founding values of the nation? And rest assured someone who lives in a multi-million dollar apartment on 5th Avenue would fit the definition of an elite.
I suggest that you review my commentary on other recent threads by Greenwald and Scahill; in them you will find that I have given Pence a good deal of critical attention. If you disagree with my assessment of Pence, please feel free to address me there with your concerns.
Pence is not yet the VP. However, let’s address the question of where and when it is appropriate to give voice to ones political concerns by engaging in a little thought experiment:
1. Is it appropriate to verbally accost Pence’s wife and demand that she answer for his purported misdeeds as an elected official? Or is she merely acceptable collateral damage in this instance?
2. Would it be appropriate for an undertaker to accost Mr. and Mrs Pence while they were attending a family funeral? Or a Priest while attending church services. Or a Justice of the Peace while attending their child’s wedding? Or a caterer while sponsoring a family picnic? Where, exactly, do you draw the line? Put yourself in their place for just a moment.
3. Are Mr. and Mrs. Pence entitled to go out in public without being accosted by their detractors? Or, do they lose all rights as private citizens in their off hours?
Now in regard to Pence escaping the founding principles, the answer is simple: No! However, the solution is far more complicated. So let me ask you a question: Beyond a bit of embarrassment, do you believe that the cast’s actions will affect the way in which Pence conducts himself as VP? Or, was it just a politically insignificant, feel good gesture like giving a rude motorist the finger on the highway when retributive consequence seems remote. IMHO the cast’s actions were no more effective at gaining sympathy and/or support for their alleged concerns then throwing HIV-tainted blood in public places (See: Act Up). Although the intended public embarrassment of Pence got widespread attention in the media, the act itself was a pyrrhic victory in that it only served to further fuel the social and political polarization that led to Trump’s and Pence’s victory in the first place.
How many times do we need to hear Hillary Clinton is somehow the de facto winner of the election because it’s perceived she garnered the greater number of popular votes? This simply isn’t a very strong position to speak from unless you think you’re speaking to idiots, which interestingly is the same line of thinking that helped the Clinton machine defeat itself.
The first thing to consider is although the electoral and popular votes normally side with each other in the tally, the strategy for pursuing one or the other is always completely different. The reality is if the presidency is won through the electoral vote then it’s just as insane to pursue the popular vote before the election as it is irrelevant to claim it has value afterwards. To suggest that Donald Trump would be helpless against Hillary Clinton in a popular vote showdown is folly. It would simply be a matter of revising the campaign strategy and ceding the electoral vote if need be to the opposition, which would completely redraw the battle lines and redefine where to spend time and money. I think the outcome would be the same except the author would then be claiming it’s really the electoral vote that counts and we should honor that as it was intended.
The second thing to consider is exactly how stunning the election upset really was. It’s quite possible Trump even won the popular vote but we’ll never know. It’s been reported by Greg Phillips of VoteFraud.org that as many as 3,000,000 non-citizens voted in the election, presumably for Clinton. This alone would destroy the notion that Clinton won the popular vote if true. Phillips also identified some 4,000,000 deceased individuals on the voter registration rolls whose votes could have been falsely cast via “absentee” ballots. This amounts to a lot of wiggle room for a political machine that has demonstrated itself to be indistinguishable from a crime syndicate. Debbie Wasserman Schultz recently gave us an inkling of the truth behind the election process when she admitted, “If I Was Trying to Rig the Outcome of the Primary — Trust Me, I Could Have.”
The untold story here is the Clinton machine most likely tried to rig the election but it wasn’t enough. They likely missed their margin of safety by not making it big enough because they just couldn’t possibly imagine Trump would perform anywhere close to as well as he did. They believed their own fake polls and media lies so they most likely didn’t steal enough votes.
Donald Trump was destined to win for a reason and the author like the rest of the media still doesn’t get it. The author tries to perpetuate the myth that Trump’s candidacy and presidency is somehow invalid or tainted owing to this typical regurgitation of liberal sour grapes, which I can only liken to juvenile journalism. It’s how children react when you take sugar away from them.
Come on Intercept. You straddled the abyss when you gave us Snowden but we’re getting awfully tired waiting for the other leg to come along.
” It’s been reported by Greg Phillips of VoteFraud.org that as many as 3,000,000 non-citizens voted in the election, presumably for Clinton. This alone would destroy the notion that Clinton won the popular vote if true. Phillips also identified some 4,000,000 deceased individuals on the voter registration rolls whose votes could have been falsely cast via “absentee” ballots”
Yeah, those aren’t real numbers: http://www.snopes.com/three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
Ah, the zeitgeist of the post-truth era!
“Claim: Three million non-citzens voted illegally in the 2016 presidential election.
The first thing we found was that while no such claim has been reported in the mainstream media, it has been repeated on scores of partisan, right-leaning web sites since the 8 November election under the guise of ‘news.'”
http://www.snopes.com/three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
“Trump claimed ‘people that have died 10 years ago are still voting,’ citing a report that found 1.8 million deceased people remain on voter registration rolls. But the report did not find evidence of wrongdoing, and numerous studies have found such voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. … Trump accurately quoted from the report, ‘Inaccurate, Costly and Inefficient: Evidence That America’s Voter Registration System Needs and Upgrade.’ But the report did not allege the 1.8 million deceased people actually voted. Rather, Pew said that it is evidence of the need to upgrade voter registration systems.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/
Yes, because it is ethically, morally, nay, physically IMPOSSIBLE for Republicans to cast illegal votes, to gerrymander, to bias the process with hurdles and rules that disfavor specific demographics, to scare voters with brandished weapons or other things that are known to have not happened. Thank God it can be allegedly proven that only Democrats can rig elections! God Bless America!
Greg Phillips s/b viewed with skepticism. From his LinkedIN page:
-former finance director of the Alabama Republican Party
-served as executive director of the Mississippi Republican Party
-managing director of superPAC supported Newt Gingrich’s 2012 campaign
Politifact has a good article on Phillips.
No one in their right mind disputes how the President is elected. Discussing popular vote simply serves to remind us that over half of Americans voted against T-Rump. Over half of us are offended by him. But now, we wait and see what he’ll do – we have no choice.
To quote Elie Wiesel:
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”
Looks like Weasel plagiarized the real writer of the oppressed – Frantz Fanon – who said: “Objectivity always favors the oppressor”.
What would a weasel know about real oppression?
How many mice do you have in your pockets for whom you’re speaking for as “we’re?”
Your comment is right up there with some of the most inane I’ve read. There is so much to criticize about the corruption found within political parties, but instead of ferreting out the real stuff you’ve chosen to waste your time and that of others passing the idiocracy which only the most gullible of rabid partisans would believe, or would, same as you, pass on whether they believed it or not.
The electoral college isn’t the problem. Suppressing voting rights is the problem, and both major political parties engaged in it heavily this year, to the detriment of us all. Democrats lost another ridiculously easy election because they morphed into the Republican Party od 2001-2008. They ran a historically weak and almost universally loathed candidate who helped engineer the disastrous economic crisis that still affects 99% of the population. Blaming the electoral college, which was set up to give less populous states a say in national politics, is a waste of time and a distraction from the very real issues we’re facing.
“Trump Can’t Hear What the Cast of “Hamilton” Tried to Tell Him”
Seeing as Mr. tRump wasn’t in attendance I’m not surprised.
Is Mr. Mackey aware that it was Mr. Pence in the audience?
One would not think so after reading the headline.
Did Mackey figure it out later in his report? He should go back and update the headline; especially after reading comments. (maybe lay off the Cutty Sark. )
Uh, Trump’s the one doing all the complaining, because, apparently, Mr. Pence is such a delicate child that he cannot stand up for himself.
I am not totally surprised by the moral obtuseness of the author.
Liberalism cuts a broad swath through US ‘culture’.
An audience is like an invited guest to your ‘house’. The theater is often referred to as a ‘house’. Part of the deal, when one buys a ticket, is that the interaction between actors (the house) , and the audience (guests) will be cordial and limited.
Reading an edict from the stage AT an audience member is the equivalent of a host targeting someone he invited with some personal harangue that he had been saving up.
It simply is not done.
What next? Shooting people in the back of the head with a pistol?
That the Liberal US and its press, even the Intercept, does not realize this is a sign of just how deep the malaise of ‘aculturalism’ has spread.
“the moral obtuseness of the author.”
We are acutely aware of Bob’s obtuse moral code. There’s a narrow path to the broad bridge of pistol shots to the head and it starts with a personal harangue saved up. (I’ll bet Pence didn’t buy tickets months ahead like the rest of us and the actors knew. I’d be pissed too.)
Engish translation? “MOOMMMMMAY! Those libruls are SO MEAN!”
That’s the perfect summary and ‘Tell’ to how overwrought and cheaply dramatized your entire comment is.
Actually there are loads of examples of how it simply is done and has been done again and again. Ever watch or attend the Academy Awards for example. People have spoken critically or advisedly from the stage of that event — which is viewed by millions — right at an audience member. That audience member might or might not have been physically present, but the speech spoken at or to him or her was heard by not only those physically in attendance, but by the millions tuning in from all over the world.
Another example would be comedic acts which get very personal. Do you think there were never any members of the “The Big Club” that you’re not in when George Carlin spoke at and about them in his great acts?
George Carlin — The Big Club 3 minute video.
Here is Kitt once again attempting to muddy the waters of legitimate criticism by invoking a litany of false equivalents.
Beyond the cast/audience dynamic of interactive theater, cite a comparable example wherein a senior American political figure was treated in a like manner to that of Pence by the members of a Broadway cast during a live performance on stage.
OBTW, When Frantz invoked the image of people being shot in the back of the head with a pistol, I believe that he was referring to Abraham Lincoln who was shot in the back of the head in a theater by an actor. The idea was not so far fetched considering the degree of polarization in this election. There were an awful lot of anti-trump reprobates engaging in riotous mayhem for days after the election. Some engaged in brutal assaults on those that they perceived to be “Trump” supporters. Shall I cite some examples?
You “believe” he was? Really? Gee whiz Professor K.! Who but someone as astute as you could have possibly figured that one out? Oh, and you’ve used such impressive professorial language too! “Invoked the image.” Gosh! That is quite something. I don’t see how I or hardly anyone can compete in a conversation with someone with such insights, and also the magnificent ability to express those insights so brightly.
Keep talking Kitt. Trump in 2020, and you will have helped.
Thanking you in advance.
Noting the obvious that your own words define you as a pompous blowhard in reply to your pomposity isn’t defined as a personal attack any more so then telling someone who stepping on one’s foot to get off of said foot would be a personal attack.
I’m partial to this version of Booth Shot Lincoln because Maggie (aka banjoape), who is playing guitar in this setting, has been inspirational to my “Old Time” banjo playing.
Just for the heck of it I’ll include another video here where, this time, Maggie *is playing banjo with the group–and it’s one of her most tuneful performances, in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkQXPQ6kPw
Hmmm bonjoape… clever! Their rendition of “Let Me Go” was very well done. Even a “pompous blowhard” cannot help but like these lyrics:
Let me fall
Let me climb
There´s a moment when fear
And dream must collide
I also very much enjoyed this as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1vZwgzoi9g
I sounds like the inclusion of Tim Dolan was deemed essential to rounding out their vocals (which are otherwise a little thin and tonally redundant at times).
Glad you enjoyed “Let Me Fall” and the cut from their CD. I have the CD and have enjoyed playing it quite a lot. I play harmonica besides banjo, and a couple of cuts on the CD have worked really well to play along with on harmonica.
The Academy Awards!? Isn’t that like reaching for the Hitler card in a debate about Jews and Palestinians? You lose.
That makes no sense. At all.
It does. A lot. But the quality of your cognitive dissonance is strained. (With apologies to the Bard.)
Explain it then. Don’t keep it a secret. Academy Awards equals Hitler?
Trumpians…a bunch of thoughtless, vicious pansies who love to punch down and dish it out,but can’t take. It’s the infantile side of America.
Why would Pence go to Hamilton? I don’t get it.
Why would anyone?
As an unabashed Hillerite, Bob Mackey doesn’t “get it” either. The Progressive (radical) Left unequivocally opposed the candidacy of Hillary Clinton from the get-go. From Cornell West to Camille Paglia. From Louis Farakhan to Jill Stein, all true Progressives understand how poisonous another Clintonian presidency would have been. Despite the bleating whines of: “they heard our message” and “we tilted the democratic party leftward,” of defeated Sander’s supporters, the message of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would have been effectively de-fanged and absorbed. The complacent neo-liberal political core (of which Mackey is a component) would have continued to ignore their message. Now, it is not Hillary but Warren and Sanders who have the platform and half the country will listen closely to what they have to say! Hopefully the Trump presidency will spell the demise of a toothless, pillow-fluffing, appeasing “liberalism” that has become a handmaiden to the elite status-quo of two-party-ism and characterized the Obama presidency.
It seems Mackey does “get it”, as Clinton received the popular vote by a wide margin. The collective Electoral votes favored Trump. Your rationalization for Clinton’s loss ignores her plurality win.
So you’re argument is that she won a fictitious competition?
C’mon, man. The absolute worst response that democrats can make is “really we won, it’s that damned electoral college that doesn’t make sense.”
Meanwhile, I’m willing to guess you had a problem with Trump when he said he would only accept the election results if he won.
Americans are too weak, too cowardly and too complicit to even ruffle Trump, Pence and the rest of the crypto-Nazis that will take over the White House very soon. Trump has shown his character immediately – he will not tolerate criticism and once he has full control of the reins, he will punish those who have done and those who do speak out against him.
You are in for a very bumpy ride. And sadly, you deserve every moment of it and more.
> Trump Can’t Hear What the Cast of “Hamilton” Tried to Tell Him
what the insufferably self-righteous pc left continues to tell him is that they have no respect for him or his supporters. trump hears that loud and clear and could not be more delighted. like the foolish protests at his rallies that helped him get nominated and elected, a boorish stunt like this is guaranteed to make him stronger
In the end Trump has lost the popular vote by a large and ever increasing margin (probably 2 million when its all said and done) – he has no mandate.
On Friday he settled his fraud lawsuit; how fitting for the incoming president – Donald “the fraud” President!
https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/1000873013284950/
Where an old VFW asshole joined other white supremacists bravely pushing ONE black woman. Old VFW jerk probably spent his service career stealing from supply.
Mr. Mackey might explain why the working folks in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa and Pennsylvania flipped from Obama to Trump. Instead he focusses on the fears and injured sensibilities of some stage actors in the theater district. This is the kind of empty politicking – and the coverage of it – that locked up the house, the senate, the presidency and the supreme court for the GOP. Frankly with that much power why the heck would Pence or anyone else care what the cast of Hamilton thinks.
Great that the cast of Hamiltion are looking out for their own self interest and of other Americans, I bet anyday they will speak out on behalf of all of the people in Libya, Syria who have been subjected to the horrific foriegn policy decisions of Obama and Clinton in those countries, Where hundreds of thousands have died, been injured and turned into refugees, Yes as a direct consequence of Obama/Clinton foreign policy decisions,
Oh well on that thought back to the Hamilton cast own self interest concerns,
Michigan 300,000 votes less than Obama in 2012 (75,00 Black voters accepted the boycott challenge); North Carolina 2 million votes decided to stay home; Wisconsin 230,000 fewer votes; and Pennsylvania 130,000 blacks said no this year to the Democratic Party. This is how black America (Todd Elliott Koger) helped make Donald Trump our 45th President.
The Democrats had always thrown shade in our direction. Black Lives Matter’s founders put in writing their “rejection” of us because their stated agenda “LGBTQ” issues. In June 2016, Donald Trump was the only one willing to listen to us. We explained to Mr. Trump that we had been voting almost 50 years “straight” Democrat and our situation remained the same or worst.
First, Mr. Trump issued an online video that addressed our plight. Next he went to Michigan and then took the message to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Thereafter, we packaged the visual optics and shared his fight against the “status quo” with black America. And, in late August 2016, we outlined the grassroots plan that defined demographics, targeted groups, and the available tools to grow an arsenal of black Trump supporters. We had to work night and day to control the message and Mr. Trump’s “Plan for Black America” as a campaign strategy to change the conversation when Mr. Trump slumped in the polls.
When “sh*t hit the fan” in October 2016 and everyone started to run from Mr. Trump we suggested a “writing,” a “NEW DEAL” proposal for black America to put things back on track. Donald Trump owes his victory to “predominately black Democratic strongholds of Pennsylvania” who were convinced to give Mr. Trump 31 percent more votes than the previous Republican Party presidential candidate. African Americans like Todd Elliott Koger convinced hundreds of thousands blacks in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and various other states to boycott the traditional “straight” Democratic Party vote in 2016.
Mr. Trump’s “margin of victory” is realized when you combine this with an increase of “Obama white voters” in Wisconsin and Michigan voting Trump in 2016. Trump won Pennsylvania by 1.1 percentage points (68,236 votes), Wisconsin by 0.9 points (27,257 votes), and Michigan by 0.2 points (11,837 votes). If Clinton had won all three states, she would have won the Electoral College 278 to 260. She fell short in all three.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dieNd5h_qpw
Fortunately, you were not one of the Black folks who were denied housing by Fred and Donnie in the 70s. Hope springs eternal, I reckon.
We can slice and dice the micro numbers until we’re red in the face. At the end however we are left with the cold fact that Trump has lost the popular vote but a large margin – he has no mandate.
Mr. Trump has already forgotten that he was elected to serve the people – not the other way around..
The people have “FREE SPEECH” and he is expected to obey and respect the laws….as much – if not more than the people do
My feeling is that this story is ridiculously overblown on either side. Still, it should remind all of us (especially liberals) that we always need to keep track of who is driving the bus. For the theatrical company to let some patrons booing lead the way put it in an awkward position. They should either ignore the booers, tell them to shut up, or (preferably) apologize that their performance was not up to standard tonight, but if the audience is interested they are in the creative phase of creating a new musical lampooning the future Trump presidency, and tickets will be available in the spring starting at just $350…
I would encourage President Trump not to overreact by outlawing all theatrical performances. This is the time for him to act in a presidential manner, and show restraint by, for example, only outlawing musicals. I fear, however, that flush with victory, he will attempt to exert his new authority in the most forceful way possible. I hope he will listen to the counsels of outgoing President Obama. Mr. Obama would handle a situation like this with a precision drone strike, taking out only the cast members actually guilty of the insubordination, and maybe their immediate families if the actors insisted on using them as human shields.
But even if Mr. Trump makes a mistake in this instance, I would urge Americans to show forbearance and understanding. He is still learning his new job and some mistakes along the way are to be expected. Criticizing him will only cause him to double down, maybe using a nuclear weapon to take out New York or California or one of the other states that didn’t vote for him in the election. It’s important to understand that an angry tweet is at the low end of possible presidential reactions to unwelcome criticism.
“show restraint by, for example, only outlawing musicals. ”
at least that would spare Seattle from the 50 Soulful Christmas Singers with their Disco Santa Finale scheduled at Benaroya Hall.
It’s a bit difficult to take the complaints about the electoral college so seriously when the same thing happened to Al Gore in 2000 and the Democrats spent the subsequent years not proposing a better system or raising interest in that better system. Before 2000, other presidents have seen the same thing happen and this has always been known to be a possibility. The Democrats seemed not to question the electoral college in this election when so much of the corporate media was convinced Clinton would be “coronated” as the Democratic Party representative (not have to wage dirty tricks against Bernie Sanders to win) and made president-elect by now. Frankly, I expected more criticism from The Intercept along the lines of pointing out what the Democratic Party has been apparently willing to accept for so many years. Perhaps the Democratic Party will get around to raising a principled debate about the electoral college that will be clearly discernible from sour grapes after losing by running a horrible candidate against someone they would not stop making fun of. It’s very unbecoming to watch the losers critique the system they bought in to for so long.
You understand the electoral college was put in place to help mitigate fits of passion from the people? People are really emotional, and are prone to do stupid things just because they’re upset, for example: trying to abolish a 200+ year old system that does its job magnificently. The electoral college was created to help avert that effect.
You wrote “…the electoral college was put in place to help mitigate fits of passion from the people…The electoral college was created to help avert that effect.”
The Electoral College was agreed upon so the smaller states/colonies would approve the Constitution as it gave them a better chance of not being overwhelmed by the states/colonies with greater population numbers.
Actually, you’re both wrong. It was part of a design to inflate the electoral power of slave states at “The Birth of a Nation.” (Apologies, but given the racism involved in this particular subject, I couldn’t help myself.)
Think about it. The Electoral College was not created as a separate construct in a vacuum. Remember, when a census is held every ten years, the results of that census determines the number of Congressional Districts that particular state will get. Also remember that the Constitution was written with a clause that stated SLAVES would count as only three-fifths of a person. So slaves do partially count toward the number of Congressional Districts that such states would get, & with it, the number of electoral votes the state would have in the election of the President, but of course, slaves could never vote. Only their white masters could.
“But there were no laws about binding such electors to the results of the popular vote in a given state until 1840.” Then why did all the Founding Fathers stand around during the crisis involving the Presidential Election of 1800 & not attempt to furiously horse-trade with supposedly faithless electors in the contest between two Founding Fathers themselves: John Adams & Thomas Jefferson?
Because that’s not the way THEY envisioned the Electoral College to work. It has nothing to do with big states & small states–in the way you think of big states & small states to be–or the masses getting “hysterical” from time to time (like we did just a few years earlier when our forefathers DECLARED INDEPENDENCE from their imperial masters; a war over that can get pretty emotional, you know). It was about keeping the slave states from suffering what they saw as an “electoral penalty” for keeping so many actual persons from voting: their slaves. It would have been nice if somebody had had the balls to point out the contradiction in wanting what they considered “property” to count in a census of residents; you know, PEOPLE.
The Electoral College should have been tossed into the dustbin of history long ago. We still should toss it out, but just in case we have to compromise YET AGAIN on this, we should consider a Plan B thusly:
The big problem with the Electoral College today still lies with its original intent: to allow no electoral penalty for suppressing HUGE numbers of voters, so let’s add a layer to it. In order to make all the electoral votes from a given state available to be obtained by any presidential candidate, the voter turnout among ALL American citizens over the age of 18 in said state must be 100%. If only half of American citizens over the age of 18 turn out to vote, then only 50% of the electoral votes will be available to the various presidential candidates to pick up.
Example: Florida has 29 electoral votes & let’s say only 45% of American citizens over the age of 18 residing in the state of Florida turn out to vote in an election. Then only 13 electoral votes are up for grabs by the candidates. Get it? Think of what that would do to all the voter suppression we’ve seen. It would completely reverse itself, provided you include universal voter registration along with it. You couldn’t get away with the type of victory Donald Trump “achieved,” if you want to call what happened an achievement by Donald Trump.
Apropos of nothing, as a native Hoosier, I can assure the cast of “Hamilton” that they just wasted their breaths. Their words fell on deaf ears to be sure. It would’ve been nice if stage actors had been able to throw eggs & tomatoes & what-not at a member of the audience for the first time in the history of theatre. Make him feel as unwelcome as he makes anyone who is not white, not male, not straight, nor Christian feels with the way HE conducts HIS behavior. Turnabout IS fair play, after all.
Well said, Chad.
Alexander Hamilton was a bankster .An elitist.
Why is he celebrated by blacks?
Another false god for the gullible,used by zion.
I like your Electoral College update, Chad. However, redistricting (gerrymandering ) affects each state’s electoral outcome, too. The Republicans were successful in the 2016 election.
“Republican strategists spent years developing a plan to take advantage of the 2010 census, first by winning state legislatures and then redrawing House districts to tilt the playing field in their favor. Their success was unprecedented. In states like Ohio, Michigan and North Carolina, Republicans were able to shape congressional maps to pack as many Democratic voters as possible into the fewest House districts. The practice is called gerrymandering, and it left fertile ground elsewhere in each state to spread Republican voters among more districts, increasing the GOP’s chances of winning more seats.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/gop-gerrymandering-creates-uphill-fight-dems-house/
Pence could not have won re-election here despite this being a decidedly red state because of the fool he made of himself on the international stage prior to this.
I have described him to out of state friends as a Nazi in a Boy Scout uniform. The articles saying he is as militant a Christian as any Muslim Jihadi are accurate. This guy is a tea party wet dreamer and crazy as fuck; far more dangerous than the narcissist out front.