For more than a century, the state of Florida has presided over one of American history’s single most effective and enduring efforts to disenfranchise voters. By far the most populous of the three states that strip lifelong voting rights from people with felony convictions, Florida is home to some 1.5 million residents who can never again cast a ballot unless pardoned by the state’s governor, according to a calculation by The Sentencing Project.
Florida’s legions of disenfranchised voters are disproportionately Democrat-leaning minorities — including nearly a quarter of Florida’s black population — numbers that advocates say amount to a long-standing and often ignored civil rights catastrophe. This racial skew means that the state’s mass disenfranchisement could have changed the outcome of some particularly important elections — such as Bush v. Gore — and thus the direction of modern American history itself. Most recently, after the state’s Republican governor clamped down on the ability of ex-felons to have their rights restored, Donald Trump won the crucial swing state by a margin less than a tenth the size of the state’s disenfranchised population, leading some to question the effect that felony disenfranchisement may have had on the size of Trump’s Electoral College win.
In spite of the state’s eye-popping voting statistics, national groups, including the Democratic Party, have shown little interest in placing real resources behind recent efforts to roll back the country’s most impactful voting restriction.
Yet in recent weeks, even without any significant organizational backing, a coalition composed largely of disenfranchised Floridians quietly reached a new landmark in a long and laborious fight to overturn the state’s law. On Monday, after organizers had spent years gathering the requisite 68,314 petition signatures, Florida’s high court announced it had set a March date to consider the proposal to allow a referendum on the 2018 ballot asking voters to roll back the state’s felony voting restriction.
“To the best of my recollection, never before has a purely grassroots effort gotten as far as triggering a Supreme Court review,” said Desmond Meade, an ex-felon and the chairman of the Floridians for a Fair Democracy, the group leading the effort. “This is a major milestone.”
Meade says that he’s hopeful that the state’s high court will produce a favorable ruling, and he has yet another reason for optimism: even the Florida Division of Elections has reportedly filed a brief supporting the proposed ballot initiative.
Yet even if the court ruling goes Meade’s way, his effort still faces an uphill battle. The court’s approval clears the way for the coalition to move to the final phase of the campaign, which involves collecting some 600,000 additional petition signatures — roughly 10 times the amount that it took his group years to secure. To succeed, Meade will somehow have to rapidly and dramatically expand interest in an issue that appears to have been written off by both major political parties, even though it holds the potential to reshape American elections.
“We weren’t getting funding or anything so it took more time,” said Meade. “But we’ll need 10 times as many people now.”
Top photo: Gerald Dent, left, joined James Featherstone, center, and Niles Ringgold, right, at the rally for felon voting rights. All three men spent at least 35 years in prison.
Everyone should have the right to vote – the elected officials write the laws that rule everyone’s lives. . . our elected officials are the selves convicted criminals – if no other law other the perjury YOU CAN NOT TRUTH FROM A POLITICIAN
Yep, that is what we need, felons running the country.
Our forerunners knew it was not a good idea, but the late runners lack wisdom!
maybe you should look at history . there were plenty of criminals brought here – & indentured workers…
Oh good grief, I see you’ve tried this before… almost a year ago to the day.
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/09/floridas-ex-felons-struggle-to-regain-their-voting-rights/
Was that the beta test to see how suggestive and factually inaccurate you can make your articles? Or were you just trying to get some quick scratch for the holiday season??
Register and vote if you feel it is the right thing to do, has anyone been locked up for it? If they are going to deny you your rights as a citizen you might as well stay behind bars for the rest of your life, as your debt to society will never be paid. Or move to West Virginia, they won’t discriminate against you there. Once you have paid your dues you are considered a citizen again. In Florida you will always be an untouchable, unless pardoned by the governor. Bringing out the dead or cleaning toilets is what you have to look forward to, and they will miss you when you have gone.
Bullcrap.
You get convicted of a felony, you lose your right to vote forever. You lose your right to possess a firearm. You lose your right to a security clearance. You lose your freedom.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
They’ll win a chance to hold a referendum, but won’t get to vote in it…
Duh…
Black males make up about 7% of the U.S. population but commit 53% of all the murders and 58% of all robberies in the U.S.
And the demented Democrats want to forgive these thugs and allow them to vote again?………I think NOT!!!
Gotta love raw statistics!
This article is a great example of the progressive racism that’s becoming more and more overt at the intercept.
what percentage of the white Floridians are disenfranchised? We don’t know. why? Because the racist that wrote the article didn’t care to ask. We know that every ethnicity in this country is overly incarcerated but the progressives could care less about the white ones.
In this way, progressive racists pull a bait and switch- when the government oppresses the poor, the progressive racists claim it’s racial discrimination and then to sell that false narrative and they disappear any white victims from the public eye. It makes the other half of their racist religion easier- degrading the white male into a boogeyman to scare everyone else with, like hitler did with the Jews.
The Sentencing Project :
Disenfranchised population (% of population) – 1,686,318 (10.43% – implying a 17,588,296 total)
Disenfranchised African Americans (% of population) 499,306 (21.35%)
The US Census Bureau:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) – 20,612,439
Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) – 16.8% 3,462,890
Florida Voting age, 2010-2014, Black or African American Alone – 2,997,600
499,306/2,997,600 = 16.6%
499,306/3,462,890 = 14.4%
Now how did we get to 21.35%???
You’re mixing numbers for the state and the country.
Are you sure you read any of the data I posted??
Where do you see any numbers referring to national population???? All those numbers reflect Floridian population only and are from the Sentencing Project and the US Census Bureau.
The only one mixing numbers is the author of this article. He’s still running with the false headline.
Those people should never have the chance to vote. Our founders knew felons couldn’t be trusted to make an informed vote. I’m very disppointed in people that sell their vote for an obomo phone or 50 bucks, they truly don’t know what America is about.
Our Founders owned human beings and protected the owning of human beings in the Constitution. Several centuries later, white people (predominantly) perpetuate a badge of slavery by disenfranchising black people via felony conviction — blacks are grossly, obscenely, arrested and convicted at far higher rates than whites, for violating the same drug laws. Or virtually any other laws.
Only the extremely ignorant, or racists, support this felony disenfranchisement scheme.
Your cucky 1960-era social justice warrior virtue signaling is getting boring ideologically spent and repetitive your preaching rpm the all ready converted on this site but we all know the whole World is turning away Marxist Cultural encroachments. Your on the wrong side and u still don’t know it . It will however eventually dawn on you.. If u can get past your tired self serving platitudes. The World is turning ethno nationalist populist. FASH THE NATION
Will you fault-right idiots please stop stealing terms from academia and misusing them?
Mona- anything that keeps power out of the hands of anti white racist leftists like you I’m in favor of. You need to be defeated!!!!
How unamerican of you.
Nonsense
So if criminals lose their rights why does Citi Bank still exist? or say Wells Fargo, BP, or Exxon/Mobil. All the companies have committed multiple major criminal acts and there are many more like them.
Many people are in jail for lack of decent legal help so you are fine with taking away one of the fundamental rights because they are poor.
God Bless you for being so understanding and caring. It’s good to know there are still many perfect humans that can sit back and judge like you.
Knowing how intelligent our wonderful politicians are can you imagine all the legislative gems that will come from our politicians as they attempt to cater to this voting block?
Brilliant right?…
The Republicans MADE Blacks commit felony crimes! Not even misdemeanors. Shame on the Republicans!
Did you read my comment here? If so, what about it did you not understand?
Your post – the one at ‘here’ got me to thinking-
my recent research reveals that the length of these sentences shocks my senses. 20 years is basically a life sentence. 10 is a half life. 5 years will set a person back far enough that catching up is very difficult. In light of stronger sentences like 500 years, the people who “make these up” must be figuring 20 years is nothing. Judging by the way prosecutors turn a single crime event into a dozen charges is mind boggling.
This entire big picture of military economy, wars for profits, cage fighting, games of death for kids, will create a culture of sadists who would then become immune to the next phase of barbarism- whatever that may be.
Your right because most Republicans hire stupid white people instead of intelligent black people.
Blackskins will get what they want from the Whiteskins the same way the Whiteskins got what they wanted from the Redskins .
And it has nothing to do with voting !!!
Good to know I can personally try to live a life based on the Golden Rule and still be held responsible for the crimes of people I’ve never even met.
Racial pride is a cancer. Doesn’t matter which race is demonstrating it.
Benefitting from crimes committed by others, whether you’ve met them or not, is wrong. White people in the US benefit from a centuries long crime spree that enslaved as well as criminalized people using the power of the state based on race alone. We have debts to pay.
I leave all the mis-information and bad % calculations to the wannabe journalists and statisticians who comment here ( you know who you are ! ) .
But a simple question I pose :
What % of the ” Founding Fathers ( the guys who wrote the constitution ) were slave owners ? Please neglect the amendments , e.g Bill of Rights , since they are just political afterthought BS !
trick question?
0% because the slave owners had their slaves do the actual writing.
Bravo !!
bold
Neglect the Amendments hmmm.. how about the 13th and 14th?
U.S. law has been making felons of African-Americans at appalling rates for decades. Whites use illicit drugs at the same rates, but are not nearly as often arrested or convicted (and locked in a cage) as felons for it.
Indeed, last February, Frontline did a fascinating episode, “Chasing Heroin,” examining how Seattle has been decriminalizing the sale of hard drugs — now that heroin and other opioids have infested the white suburbs. Cops are not arresting these addict/dealers; and admit that they previously arrested and convicted huge numbers of black people for violating the same drug laws.
You can watch Chasing Heroin here.
Below the headline of this piece is disputed; several argue that The Sentencing Project Report does not find that “a quarter” of blacks in Florida are disenfranchised. But that’s close to the figure used by The Tampa Bay Times:
From the Sentencing Project (which is what this article cites):
Florida – Felony Disenfranchisement (2016)
Disenfranchised population (% of population) 1,686,318 (10.43%) [implying the population is 17,588,296]
Disenfranchised African Americans (% of population [doesn’t specify of what]) 499,306 (21.35%)
http://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR
From the US Census Bureau:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) – 20,612,439
Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) – 16.8% (3,462,890)
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/12
The author stated that “A QUARTER OF FLORIDA’S BLACK CITIZENS CAN’T VOTE.”
The truth is that 14.4% of Florida’s black citizens can’t vote.
Oops, I see you were just trying to correct the author, my apologies. Anyway, if you were to argue technicality, then Florida’s census says that 20% of the population is under 18. If we assume a similar ratio for the African American population, then about 33% of them technically cannot vote. Therefore, the sentence “A quarter of florida’s black citizens can’t vote” would still be true.
I appreciate the apology…and it’s accepted.
“Anyway, if you were to argue technicality, then Florida’s census says that 20% of the [total Floridian] population is under 18. If we assume a similar ratio for the African American population”
Why would you do that??? I submit that it’s entirely irresponsible to extrapolate the data in such a way, especially when trying to formulate reliable demographic statistics…and especially when the US Census Bureau provides a breakdown of the data.
However, the available data from the US Census Bureau lists:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) – 20,612,439
Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) – 16.8% 3,462,890
Florida Voting age, 2010-2014, Black or African American Alone – 2,997,600
That would mean, according to the US Census Bureau, there are only 465,290 black Floridians under the age of 18; totaling 13.4%.
That seems a bit low, but from the available data, that’s the best extrapolation that can be drawn. If that number is correct, then
499,306 (disenfranchised black Floridian voters)/2,997,600 (total eligible black Floridian voters) = 16.6% of Florida’s voting-age black population can’t vote.
Of Florida’s entire black population, 14.4% cannot vote as a result of disenfranchisement.
Therefore, the sentence “A quarter of florida’s black citizens can’t vote” is completely incorrect.
The author of this article used out-dated data and erroneously mixed stats without verifying the numbers.
From The Sentencing Project:
Felony Disenfranchisement (2016)
Disenfranchised population (% of population) – 1,686,318 (10.43% – implying a 17,588,296 total)
Disenfranchised African Americans (% of population) – 499,306 (21.35%)
From the US Census Bureau:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) – 20,612,439
Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) – 16.8% (3,462,890)
The author of this article states “A QUARTER OF FLORIDA’S BLACK CITIZENS CAN’T VOTE.”
499,306/3,462,890 = 14.4%
The truth is that 14.4% of Florida’s black citizens can’t vote.
The author is way off and makes a gross implication that a quarter of Florida’s black citizens are felons.
As I said below, the mistake you’re making is that you’re using total population instead of voting age adults. 21% of Florida blacks disenfranchised means 21% of black voting age adults. The report makes that clear.
No….you’re not paying attention.
Who said this, and what does it mean: A QUARTER OF FLORIDA’S BLACK CITIZENS CAN’T VOTE.
Does that say anything about voting age? No it doesn’t. Stop trying to polish a turd.
Tampa Bay Times: “Among voting-age black voters in Florida, the estimates show that 23.3 percent are disenfranchised because of the prohibition on former felons.”
Is that what this article says??? Is that the source to which the article linked???? NO. Why do you keep linking to an article that isn’t cited by this author?? The author supports his article with The Sentencing Project’s numbers….not the Tampa Bay Times (whose numbers are different from the Sentencing Project’s). You’re being completely obstinate.
This article:
“A QUARTER OF FLORIDA’S BLACK CITIZENS CAN’T VOTE.”
“Florida’s legions of disenfranchised voters are disproportionately Democrat-leaning minorities — including nearly a quarter of Florida’s black population…”
Show me anywhere the author makes clear that he’s referring to voting age black Floridians rather than the population at large…
Mona says: “You are wrong, as you’ve been wrong multiple times in this thread. It strongly appears you are deeply hostile to the issue of black felon disenfranchisement and do not argue in good faith.”
Cool ad hominem speculation…unfortunately, it does nothing to support your argument. Maybe you didn’t read the very first comment on this site:
“Anyway, restricting voting rights to *any* felon is grotesquely unconstitutional.”
You’re ignoring my comments, math, and reason in favor of advancing your partisan dogmatism. You admitted that the info in this article is not accurate and refused to search any further information. Now you attack me for pointing out the obvious. It’s transparent, anti-intellectual, and trollish.
Keep spinning that web….
You are wrong, as you’ve been wrong multiple times in this thread. It strongly appears you are deeply hostile to the issue of black felon disenfranchisement and do not argue in good faith.
> Who said this, and what does it mean: A QUARTER OF FLORIDA’S BLACK CITIZENS CAN’T VOTE.
I think it’s understood that children can’t vote. You’re really being silly now.
Yeah, I guess everyone is supposed impose their own assumption of that to which the author refers, since he decided to leave the statement ambiguous.
Tell me, how hard is it to write this:
“Of all voting age black Floridians, a quarter cannot vote”
And do you see no qualitative difference between that and the actual title???
Tho your reply is addressed to me, you were quoting OraleHohms’ latest inanity. Myself, I’m likely not gong to engage him/her any further. S/he’s not a good faith interlocutor, as will be apparent to all reasonably intelligent, honest readers.
When a political point is the intention, factual accuracy is secondary.
The 23.3% number is from a 2012 report by the same organization. Woodman’s article links to the 2016 report in which the number is 21%. The headline should be corrected.
“African American disenfranchisement rates also vary significantly by state. In four states – Florida (21 percent), Kentucky (26 percent), Tennessee (21 percent), and Virginia (22 percent) – more than one in five African Americans is disenfranchised.”
Yes, and the author omits the important qualifier: “Of voting age black Floridians,”
As written, his numbers are way off. The number of disenfranchised black voters as compared to the black population is 14.4%
I see that you have no valid argument and only want to argue semantics. Well then, since you stick to the sentence: “A quarter of Florida’s black citizens can’t vote”, why did you not include the people under voting age, who cannot vote, in calculating what percent of Florida’s black citizens can’t vote? Retard.
You certainly see what you want… you didn’t cite anything you disagreed with and offered nothing sensical in response.
Are you trolling or do you merely have no idea what you’re talking about?
What do you think this means:
“A quarter of Florida’s black citizens can’t vote”
????
Ah, ok. Yes, even if it had been 23.3%, that’s not a quarter. At 21% it’s even worse. The headline absolutely should be corrected.
You’re a trip Mona…You can’t look at the sky and say it’s blue until someone you like says it. Incredible.
Your ad hominem nonsense aside, you’ve done nothing to support the case that this article is factually correct, and Orwellianly insult my intelligence at during your fit of pseudo-intellectual denial.
Again,
The Sentencing Project :
Disenfranchised population (% of population) – 1,686,318 (10.43% – implying a 17,588,296 total)
Disenfranchised African Americans (% of population) 499,306 (21.35%)
The US Census Bureau:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) – 20,612,439
Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) – 16.8% 3,462,890
Florida Voting age, 2010-2014, Black or African American Alone – 2,997,600
499,306/2,997,600 = 16.6%
499,306/3,462,890 = 14.4%
Learn to calculate, Mona.
If the majority of black felons voted republican would The Intercept threads be this enthusiastic about their voting rights? Because “for arguments sake” it was Clintons policies that mostly contributed to the high incarceration rates of blacks. If Clinton’s policies would have landed me in prison I would never vote for democrats again. For those who might find folly in my argument please view link. http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/the_clinton_dynastys_horrific_legacy_how_tough_on_crime_politics_built_the_worlds_largest_prison/
Irrelevant.
Largely true. And not only known, but insisted upon, by myself and many others here. It’s probably a dozen times, at least, that I’ve linked to this: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote – ? From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.
Since the word “unconstitutional” appears to be getting a lot of use on this thread, here’s what the sole authority on constitutionality has actually ruled WRT restrictions of felon rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richardson_v._Ramirez
Yes, Ramirez was decided in 1974, the opinion by the often wrong Justice Rehnquist. SCOTUS eventually overturned Plessy v. Ferguson (upholding “separate but equal” segregation as constitutional) and needs to overturn Ramirez as well.
The ACLU examines some of the reasons why in this 2004 analysis. No sentient person can doubt that many states enact or retain voter disenfranchisement with the intent to keep minorities from voting. Our “justice” system grossly, and disproportionately, makes felons of black people.
That was not so much the case in 1974. It has become so especially since the 1990s, tho it really began with Reagan. The High Court eventually realized separate is inherently unequal. It’s time to also face the reality of what felon disenfranchisement does, and that it therefore violates the 14th Amendment.
The war on drugs and many other gross infirmities in our criminal “justice” system have meant coking up minorities at far greater rates than white people. The 14th and 15th Amendments, properly construed, should prohibit felon disenfranchisement.
Oh wow, what a typo; “coking” should read “locking.” Tho both sort of work.
Haha…I was scratching my head over that one.
It is outrageous that individuals who have served their time and paid their debt to society are still hounded when it comes to integrating back successfully in society. We should be doing everything we can to get them back and not discriminate against them getting productive jobs.
It should be a States Rights issue.
FL could allow all actual American citizens to vote. If they ain’t locked up they have the right to vote.
Other states may want to act differently. Their choice.
The Presidential electors are seated by the will of the state legislature.
The 14th and 15ht Amendments properly trump (ahem) states rights when equal protection of the law and voting rights are at issue. Which includes a system that disproportionately and adversely affects African-Americans.
Any violation of any individual’s constitutional rights should be enough…proportion be damned.
Proportion can and does inform whether some things are unconstitutional.
For instance?
Traffic stops that are disproportionately done to African-Americans.
Stop-and-frisk.
Abortion rights.
Employment law:
Literally none of what you’ve offered shows that “proportion can and does inform whether some things are unconstitutional.”
Your civilrights.org links are the same and only show statistical correlations and reiterate standard law. Nowhere was a declaration or ruling made based on proportion:
“The U.S. Supreme Court has held that racial profiling violates the constitutional requirement that all persons be accorded equal protection of the law.”
Even the quotes in your last 2 comments had nothing to do with proportion informing whether some things are unconstitutional.
You are either intellectually dishonest, or not very bright. For you repeatedly distort or deny the plain meaning of a text. To use my comment on employment law as an example, do you truly not know what this means?
Intellectual dishonesty is hurling personal attacks while ignoring and not supporting your actual argument…good job.
Where’s the citation for that last source?
401 U.S. 424
Griggs v. Duke Power Co. (No. 124)
Argued: December 14, 1970
Decided: March 8, 1971
Syllabus
Opinion, Burger
Syllabus
Negro employees at respondent’s generating plant brought this action, pursuant to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, challenging respondent’s requirement of a high school diploma or passing of intelligence tests as a condition of employment in or transfer to jobs at the plant. These requirements were not directed at or intended to measure ability to learn to perform a particular job or category of jobs. While § 703(a) of the Act makes it an unlawful employment practice for an employer to limit, segregate, or classify employees to deprive them of employment opportunities or adversely to affect their status because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, § 703(h) authorizes the use of any professionally developed ability test, provided that it is not designed, intended, or used to discriminate. The District Court found that respondent’s former policy of racial discrimination had ended, and that Title VII, being prospective only, did not reach the prior inequities. The Court of Appeals reversed in part, rejecting the holding that residual discrimination arising from prior practices was insulated from remedial action, but agreed with the lower court that there was no showing of discriminatory purpose in the adoption of the diploma and test requirements.
***It held that, absent such discriminatory purpose, use of the requirements was permitted, and rejected the claim that, because a disproportionate number of Negroes was rendered ineligible for promotion, transfer, or employment, the requirements were unlawful unless shown to be job-related.***
You are not discussing these issues in good faith. This misdirection and fallacious argumentation (including an argument form incredulity) is beneath contempt.
You are grossly distorting legal holdings and doctrines, almost certainly becasue you find them displeasing.
Arguments from authority are not fallacious — are, rather, appropriate — when the issue is credibility. I’ve graduated a top-tier law school, passed two states’ bar exams on the first try, and have a special focus on these kinds of issues. You?
Are you a lawyer?
All felons should be allowed to vote, including those in prison.
We set the bar when we allowed the Confederate traitors to vote. If treason didn’t keep white Southerners from voting, then other felonies shouldn’t keep any other American from voting.
What about the California “traitors” that want to secede?
Spencer Woodman, I found a factual error here:
“Florida is home to some 1.5 million residents who can never again cast a ballot”
“Florida’s legions of disenfranchised voters are disproportionately Democrat-leaning minorities — including nearly a quarter of Florida’s black population ”
The Sentencing Project’s numbers indicate that there are 1.68 million disenfranchised voters (of every race). Of that, 499,306 were black. Which means that 499,306 is 21% of the **1.68 million disenfranchised voters);** NOT 21% of Florida’s total black population…which stands at around 3.36 million.
So Florida’s black disenfranchisement is roughly 14.8% of the black population…that’s not exactly “nearly a quarter”of the black population.
Perhaps you’ll correct this??
…especially because it implies that nearly a quarter of Florida’s black population are [ex]felons. Which clearly isn’t the case.
From the report:
“African American disenfranchisement rates also vary significantly by state. In four states – Florida (21 percent), Kentucky (26 percent), Tennessee (21 percent), and Virginia (22 percent) – more than one in five African Americans is disenfranchised.”
Still, the headline should say a fifth, not a quarter. That should be corrected.
Well first, the author is directly referring to Florida, so any other states’ stats are irrelevant.
A fifth would still be incorrect. 14.8% isn’t a fifth. It’s more like a 7th…or a 6th if you’re being generous.
But you’re right…the headline should be corrected.
That’s not what the report says:
“More than one in five” shouldn’t be called “a quarter.” But “more than one in five” is not 14.8%.
What report?? I’m referring to this:
“Florida is home to some 1.5 million residents who can never again cast a ballot unless pardoned by the state’s governor, according to a calculation by The Sentencing Project.
Florida’s legions of disenfranchised voters are disproportionately Democrat-leaning minorities — including nearly a quarter of Florida’s black population ”
Based on the information provided in The Sentencing Project link,
(http://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR),
the author is mixing stats and reaches a false conclusion, which also happens to imply that 25% of black Floridians are [ex]felons. That’s a big mistake.
You have to read in the report about that to which the 21% refers. It’s not total black population of Florida…it’s total Floridian *disenfranchised* voters.
The Sentencing Project report linked in the author’s first paragraph says: “more than one in five African Americans is disenfranchised.”
You have to give more than a cursory glance at the first paragraph. Actually examine their numbers. I linked you to the page. See my comment below.
I decline to disbelieve The Sentencing Project or accept that their “stats are wrong.” At first, you didn’t even understand what they were saying, so you have not acquitted yourself well and there’s no reason to take your musings over their findings.
Seriously??? You apparently have no idea what they’re saying, refuse to really read their own report, feel comfortable arguing with NO information, and admit that you’d rather blindly trust them.
You’re also willing to accept that nearly 25% of Florida’s black population are felons. Do you know any black people? Is that what you really think? One of every four you meet in Florida is a felon??
Amazing. Put down the Brawndo.
I further addressed this issue above.
(FYI, the argument from incredulity is a fallacy.)
You addressed the issue with factually incorrect information which I clearly proved (and you refused to read/research) below.
FYI, Incredulity is the basis for your entire argument. Interesting doublespeak.
After further reading at The Sentencing Project, it seems that their stats are wrong.
If you click on the state of Florida in the provided link, the site states that Fl has 1,686,318 total disenfranchised voters. It indicates that number as being 10.43 percent of Florida’s total population as of 2016.
That would mean that Florida’s 2016 total population is 17,588,296. But according to the US Census Bureau, the 2016 population of Fl is 20,612,439. Additionally, the Bureau lists Florida’s black population as comprising 16.8% of the total in 2015.
16.8% of 20,612,439 is ~3,462,890 That’s the total black population of Fl according to the Census Bureau.
So The Sentencing Project lists the total of black Floridian disenfranchised voters as being 21.35% of the population (ambiguous – which population?).
What’s 21.35% of 3,462,890?? The answer is 739,327. Yet The Sentencing Project states that Florida’s total black disenfranchised voting population tallies 499,306.
Since the numbers don’t add up, and it would be absurd to assume at face value that 25% of black Floridians are felons, the only thing that can be reasonably deduced is that the Census Bureau’s numbers are correct. And that the Sentencing Projects percentages are wrong, but the count is correct.
So, what’s 499,306/3,462,890?? The answer is actually 14.4%
Your numbers don’t add up because you’re using total population instead of voting age adults. Here’s that same stat again in context:
“One in 13 African Americans of voting age is disenfranchised, a rate more than four times greater than that of non-African Americans. Over 7.4 percent of the adult African American population is disenfranchised compared to 1.8 percent of the non-African American population.
“African American disenfranchisement rates also vary significantly by state. In four states – Florida (21 percent), Kentucky (26 percent), Tennessee (21 percent), and Virginia (22 percent) – more than one in five African Americans is disenfranchised.”
The numbers don’t add up ‘because math’.
The Sentencing Project :
Disenfranchised population (% of population) – 1,686,318 (10.43% – implying a 17,588,296 total)
The US Census Bureau:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) – 20,612,439
Black or African American alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) – 16.8% 3,462,890
Florida Voting age, 2010-2014, Black or African American Alone – 2,997,600
499,306/2,997,600 = 16.6%
499,306/3,462,890 = 14.4%
The Sentencing Project:
Disenfranchised African Americans (% of population) 499,306 (21.35%)
Does not compute.
And the reason the national Democratic party doesn’t put resources behind something like this in Florida (and every other state that has these sorts of disenfranchisement laws) is what?
A) political cowardice
B) no real commitment to civil liberties or voting rights for all citizens (yes even voting rights for citizens who have been convicted of a crime, served their sentences, and are now attempting to become productive citizens again);
C) they only like the “appearance” of “standing up” for disenfranchised or other minority group citizens, rather than actually fighting every single day on a coherent set of principles and values to improve those groups real world economic opportunities, and civil rights and liberties;
D) all of the above
Have the braintrust of the Democratic party ever considered why it might be that only 55% of the population of America feels it should even bother voting at all? Or what it means that every national election for President is a contest between empowering the political agenda of 27-30% of the US population that is of eligible voting age i.e. whether Dems or Repugs win a presidential election it is due to the votes of only approx. 30% of the US population of eligible voting age.
Has it ever considered that voting should be a constitutional right not subject to being stripped from any citizen except in cases of a criminal conviction for treason. Or that if it was treated as a fundamental legal right under the Constitution it should not be left to the states to treat it in anything except a 100% uniform way under federal way in all 50 states (and DC) including national vote by mail in every election in every state for every elected office rather than some antiquated physical requirement of going to a polling station?
You’d think both parties don’t really have any vested interest making sure all eligible voters have the utmost and maximum ability to cast their vote in any election in the least onerous manner.
Oregon turnout is generally higher than most states since it went to vote by mail and not one recorded legitimate problem or dispute about election results has ensued. The only states with higher turnout in this general election were New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine, Iowa and Colorado.
Did you know Georgia disenfranchised 3X as many of its citizens with felony records than the state of California, despite California’s eligible voting population being 4X as large as Georgia’s? You think that has an effect on Georgia’s political outcomes?
http://www.electproject.org/2016g
Lot of interesting data in there and the implications of it.
The answer is (A), the FL Democratic party has limited resources that it only wants to use on fights that it is already confident it can win.
The political parties tend to operate on strict arbitrage.
Secondly, if the Democratic Party openly through its support behind the measure it would become partisan, and thus less likely to pass. If it’s a good government non-partisan measure it has a better chance at the ballot.
Well I was thinking, and my comment was strictly aimed at the “national” Democratic party, but I think your response was quite illuminating of some other problems generally with the national Democratic party and in places like Florida.
And how is fighting only the fights that Dem party elites think are winnable in advance working out for the American people (and left/progressives specifically in terms of vote loyalty) generally? I’d say badly. And a lot of us have pointed out if you are going to maintain credibility with your “base” however you want to define that, you have to be consistent all the time, and fight the fights that need fighting–not just the ones you view as “arbitrage” or “ones you can win in advance.”
I sure haven’t seen that from the GOP over decades. They have an agenda (granted it is much simpler than the left/progressives and/or Dems) and they fight for it win or lose, because they are playing the “long game” and don’t mind losing short term battles much less the occasional long-term (say a “culture war” battle). They fight for their agenda, as shitty as it is, win or lose all the time up and down all over America.
There is no such thing, generally speaking, as “non-partisan/good government” battles in America. Because what is “partisan” or “good government” is largely filtered and understood through a subjective partisan lens. Always.
So the Dems need to figure out a way to fight the right fights, all the time win or lose, and figure out how to make it both “good politics” and “good policy”. Usually the left can get a lot of overlap on both, if they had the courage to fight forthrightly, plainly and never deviate from who it is they represent. That’s the problem. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t be the party of business/owners/big money/big banking and be for the interests of the people except on very rare occasions.
And that’s precisely why the Democratic party is in shambles except in a few strongholds on the West coast, and East Coast.
My advice, figure out how to return the Democratic party to a “bottom up” politics and not a “top down” politics and it’ll see its political fortunes in America reversed. But if they continue to see things in terms of “money” and “funding” (which pays the salaries of consultants and other almost useless technocratic political bullshit) and instead figures out how to mobilize and empower volunteers who don’t need or want to be paid to exercise political power–then, again, the Democratic party would see its electoral fortunes reversed.
Just my $0.02. But I can almost guarantee further Democratic Party losses for at least the next 4 years in House and Senate, and in states unless the GOP engages in such massive monumentally epically failing overreach that even their own backers throw them out for fucking up their lives further than they already have. But even if they do, the Democratic party won’t have established any long term “credibility” if they keep doing what they do, the voters will simply replace the GOP with Dems because that is the only alternative in their minds.
Test, test, if you see kay, tell em I’m testing this commenting software.
the state of florida is a lot like libya with gadafi
OT…
the world needs to know how the US got to Russia did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qseVUcy7Wto
time marker 11:50
Permanent felon disenfranchisement does seem too extreme, but requiring maybe a decade of good behavior on the outside or 1/3rd of the sentence whichever is longer seems reasonable. Especially for any sort of violent crime or mass fraud. (Not a fan of drug laws so ideally that would no longer be a factor either)
It prevents someone who’s shown a very big sign of not caring about their fellow citizens from having the chance to influence the fate of law abiding citizens. Felons should be kept for exercising any power over their fellow citizens until it’s certain they’re not going to abuse it again.
I disagree. That amounts basically to a mental fitness/morals test, which of course if is a reason to disallow felons from the vote should be given to everyone. And any that show improper morals (according to those in charge) can’t vote.
Oh and even if I agreed with you, there’d still be reason to question it–because laws change and felonies today may not be felonies in the future. Sodomy for example was a felony not too far in the past. We may say “well murder for instance will always be a felony” but will everything?
Full disclosure: I think voting should be an inviolable right to every citizen, because everyone is subject to laws, and as such must be allowed to choose their reps. I do mean everyone–newborns, felons, traitors, everyone.
By this logic, someone like Barrett Brown (a political prisoner recently released) should not be allowed to vote. It’s nonsense.
You can’t generalize and make presumptions about someone’s thoughts on the “common good” based on their conviction history. Even if you could, there are no requirements about belief in the common good, otherwise libertarians couldn’t vote.
Permanent felon disenfranchisement does seem too extreme, but requiring maybe a decade of good behavior on the outside or 1/3rd of the sentence whichever is longer seems reasonable.
When someone has fulfilled a court-imposed punishment their obligation should be complete and their citizenship rights should be restored. For far too long our society has been obsessed with extending punishment to the point where once a person is convicted of a crime they are relegated to the fringes of society in their work life, family life, practically every nook and cranny.
Felons should be kept for exercising any power over their fellow citizens until it’s certain they’re not going to abuse it again.
Unless you think one person’s vote has some sort of extra sway than another’s this is absolute nonsense.
If you aren’t willing to follow the law yourself, then you can’t demand a role in making the law for everyone else, which is what you do when you vote. The right to vote can be restored to felons, but it should be done carefully, on a case-by-case basis after a person has shown that he or she has really turned over a new leaf, not automatically on the day someone walks out of prison. After all, the unfortunate truth is that most people who walk out of prison will be walking back in. Read more about this issue on our website here [ http://www.ceousa.org/voting/voting-news/felon-voting/538-answering-the-challenges-to-felon-disenfranchisement ] and our congressional testimony here: [ http://judiciary.house.gov/_files/hearings/pdf/Clegg100316.pdf ].
That’s kind of a strange thing to say. It’s how governments normally function.
Q. What puts people in prison?
A. The operating environment environment that causes stress, conflict, anger, division….
Q. Who creates the operating environment?
A. the government and the currency system owners
Q. How many persons in prison are genuinely evil?
A. very few.
Q. Given the opportunity to earn a comfortable life, how many people currently in prison would have ended up in prison?
A. very few
Q. How are persons in prison and society best served?
1] simply locking persons up
or
2] bootcamp discipline training, education, counseling
Q. if voting by everyone is not legitimate in your point of view, what is the countermeasure for government gone bad due to corruption, nepotism, cronyism, etc?
“Ctr for equal opportunity” Uh huh. Sure.
Your title is one of those typical ‘exact opposites’ of what the organization with the title is actually proposing and attempting to do. In your case, disenfranchising people for as long as you possibly can (forever) and calling that “equal opportunity.”
And, no, I didn’t open your link to your website in order to read more of the same as your comment indicated would be waiting for anyone who might choose to do so.
the preventing of a person from voting – even while in prison and especially while in prison – is unamerican, a violation of the constitution, and a crime against humanity.
here’s why..
The power of persons at the top of government is far greater than the combined efforts of the population who would oppose them. This is obvious from all revolts which are not by the military. This is also obvious in the US where even the elected reps vote against the will of 90% of the public. THE ONLY BALANCE OF POWER AGAINST GOV GONE BAD IS THE VOTE. And prisons are the first best checkpoint against gov gone bad.
Voting does as much as crying !!!
You’re quite correct on the principle. All a tyrannical government would need to do to ensure its continuation is to throw everyone it dislikes in prison.
“THE ONLY BALANCE OF POWER AGAINST GOV GONE BAD IS THE VOTE.”
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Oh yeah ? What about making sure the only ones that run are STATUS QUO stooges? The last election was between the LESSER OF TWO EVILS ,,remember ?
3RD PARTY USA
2020
IT WILL HAPPEN
“A QUARTER OF FLORIDA’S BLACK CITIZENS CAN’T VOTE.”
Does that mean that a quarter of Florida’s black residents are ex-felons?? Good grief.
Anyway, restricting voting rights to *any* felon is grotesquely unconstitutional.