The wave of sympathy in Israel for a soldier who executed a wounded Palestinian suspect in the occupied West Bank could lead to his pardon.
Hours after an Israeli army medic was convicted on Wednesday of manslaughter, for executing a wounded Palestinian suspect last year in the occupied West Bank city of Hebron, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, called for the soldier to be pardoned.
Netanyahu’s move completed a full retreat from his initial position. He had first expressed revulsion at the behavior of the medic, Elor Azaria, after viewing video of the incident published by an Israeli human rights group, B’Tselem. That graphic clip, recorded by a witness, showed that Azaria had fired a point-blank shot into the head of Abdel Fattah al-Sharif, a suspect in a knife attack at an army checkpoint who had already been subdued and was lying prone at his feet.
The prime minister began to back-track, however, when it became clear that a majority of the Israeli public considered the killing to be justified and a vocal minority called Azaria a hero.
Sympathy for the killer has grown over the past nine months, even as his victim’s family has been forced to view the fatal shot again and again in news reports on the trial in a military court.
Despite seeing the same images of the crime — and more video showing that no medical attention was offered to the suspect after he was immobilized by gunfire during the attack at one of the city’s many military checkpoints — polls found that most Israelis sympathize with Azaria.
67% of Israelis support a pardon for Azaria, poll conducted by @Channel2News pic.twitter.com/jBxQ34CDcL
— Ruth Marks Eglash (@reglash) January 4, 2017
Poll: 70% of Israeli public favors pardon for soldier convicted of manslaughter @IsraelHayomEng
— Mairav Zonszein (@MairavZ) January 5, 2017
(It is important to note that many polls conducted for the Israeli media, including one published the day after the verdict by Israel Hayom, a tabloid Sheldon Adelson set up to support Netanyahu, only survey Jewish Israelis. That poll, finding that 70 percent of respondents “believed Azaria should be pardoned immediately,” drew on “a random pool of 500 Jewish Hebrew-speaking Israelis over the age of 18.”)
Israeli politicians, including Naftali Bennett, the far-right education minister, Shelly Yacimovich, a former leader of the Labour Party, and Miri Regev, the culture minister and a former spokeswoman for the Israeli army, have scrambled to channel the popular mood.
Jewish Home chair @naftalibennett says Elor Azaria must be pardoned "immediately, right now"
— Raoul Wootliff (@RaoulWootliff) January 4, 2017
Former Labor leader MK @Syechimovich recommends a pardon for Elon Azaria because Israeli society is "stormy & explosive".
— Jeremy Sharon (@jeremysharon) January 4, 2017
Israeli culture min & firebrand Miri Regev:"I will appeal for pardon for Elor Azaria. This isnt how you behave towards the people's soldier"
— Noga Tarnopolsky (@NTarnopolsky) January 4, 2017
As Human Rights Watch reported this week, in the months before the shooting, senior Israeli officials, including the new defense minister, Avigdor Lieberman, and Jerusalem Police district commander, Moshe Edri, had argued that any Palestinian suspected of trying to stab an Israeli, even soldiers tasked with enforcing the occupation, should be subject to immediate execution.
In addition to calls for clemency from politicians, demonstrations of support for Azaria came from hundreds of protesters who scuffled with the police outside the courtroom, waving nationalist banners and at least one Trump sign, and a group of his fellow army medics who dripped their own blood onto a placard claiming that the military’s justice system was “killing us from within.”
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Elizabeth Tsurkov, a rights activist in Tel Aviv, noted that among the chants heard at the protest in favor of Azaria was one suggesting that the Israeli army chief of staff, Maj. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot, who defended the prosecution of the soldier in a speech this week, could suffer the same fate as Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister who was assassinated in 1995 by an opponent of the Oslo Peace Accords.
Chants outside the military court: "Gadi [Eizenkot - IDF CoS] be careful, Rabin is looking for a friend" [you'll be assassinated too]
— Elizabeth Tsurkov (@Elizrael) January 4, 2017
Azaria’s supporters and detractors agreed that without the video evidence obtained and published by B’Tselem, an Israeli group that distributes cameras to Palestinians to help them document Israeli army abuses in the occupied territories, the soldier almost certainly would not have been prosecuted. (Indeed, witnesses told B’Tselem that shortly before one of the group’s volunteers, Emad abu-Shamsiyah, filmed Azaria shooting Sharif, a second Palestinian man suspected of taking part in the knife attack, Ramzi Aziz al-Qasrawi, was executed with a gunshot to the head from another soldier as he lay prone on the ground.)
B’Tselem’s executive director, Hagai El-Ad, who calls himself “realistically pessimistic” about the “one-state reality” Israelis will continue to live in as long as their military occupation of the lands seized in 1967 endures, detected something positive in the outcome.
“The verdict clearly states that the B’Tselem video is an objective record of the incident and that it hasn’t been manipulated,” he told The Intercept in an email. Given concerted efforts by the government, the army and right-wing activists to discredit his group’s work, and a frightening campaign of incitement against him personally, that is not insignificant.
He expressed concern, however, for Emad abu-Shamsiyah, who recorded the incident and has faced threats and intimidation ever since. While there are only several hundred Jewish settlers living in the center of Hebron, a city of nearly 200,000 Palestinians, they are protected by thousands of Israeli soldiers and often act with impunity.
El-Ad also stressed that “the exceptional conviction of a single sergeant” should not be taken as a sign that the Israeli military justice system, which is used almost exclusively to prosecute Palestinian civilians living under military rule in the West Bank, is fair. “The occupation’s routine includes the whitewashing of hundreds of cases of killing and injuries of Palestinians, for which no one stands to trial,” he wrote. “That is the grim norm, unchanged by the extremely rare, current, publicized trial.”
He added that the conviction did nothing to change the reality of Israel’s open-ended occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which has now lasted five decades, and failed to answer “a very basic question: what was an Israeli soldier doing in the heart of a Palestinian city in the first place?”
That sentiment was echoed by Noam Sheizaf, an Israeli journalist and commentator, who wrote on Twitter that most political leaders seemed to hope that “we can be united in forgetting about the occupation as soon as the trial ends.”
The reaction to the case, “is sort of a political theater,” Sheizaf said in an interview. “The real story here is Israeli military control over a civilian population.”
“These high profile dramas prevent us from seeing the real nature of the occupation: an open-air prison which deprives millions of people of their basic rights,” he added. “The fact that the army is prosecuting one person and not others is a sideshow that the Israeli public and political system care about.”
“The court’s verdict, which I think was the right verdict,” Sheizaf said, “didn’t get us any closer to ending the occupation or preventing the next case. The next case is out there, waiting to happen.”
Top Photo: The father of Abdel Fattah al-Sharif, a Palestinian man who was killed by an Israeli soldier following a knife attack in the occupied West Bank city of Hebron in March, watched television coverage of the soldier’s trial on Wednesday.
There is a popular sentiment to pardon this soldier, but it arises from a sort of mass PTSD. The Israeli public will never get used to terrorist activities enacted against civilians including innocent women and children, not to excuse his actions, but it does explain the public sentiment. What is important to note; the Israeli Judicial system did it’s job and the soldier is incarcerated. Can you even imagine this happening on the Arab side if the situation was reversed?
Mona- more and more I begin to appreciate what you are doing here.
And for GilGollum and Jack Green’s bizarre anti-semitic conspiracy theories, I always like to refer to conspiracy realism; and take heed that “It wasn’t the Muslim’s” who did it:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm
What bizarre anti-semitic conspiracy theories?
Jack- almost everything you trolls ever say leads back to your types smearing others with the shitstain of “anti-semite!” Or worse, self aggrandizing racial supremacist viewpoints.
The ADL types are the cowardly kings of the smear- blood libel first, ask questions later. Your version of safe space for anti-goy culture is killing free speech and much more.
It’s sickening on every level, and it diminishes the great things that some Jews have contributed to free speech and the cultural dialectic. You’re constant navel gaze is not one of them.
So, every time I hear ‘anti-semitism’ I know it’s just conspiracy theory spouted by a misanthrope, a bully, a coward, a blackmailer, or a troll- “you disagreed with me! U hatez da jooos! ‘
Seldom is the term something to take seriously anymore, as it is so heinously and war-crimesily overused-but Trotsky/Herzl- and especially Leo Frank would be proud how long many have belabored it to great advantage (couldn’t resist putting Frank in there with Herzl, lol)..
Thank you. The book I’m currently reading, which I describe just below, is stomach-turning. The extent to which Zionists have always loved on antisemites, including Nazis, is just horrifying.
In the 30s and 40s, the Jewish Agency, as well as the Lehi, actively opposed having Jews fight Hitler with the Allies. They LOVED Nazi Germany. By 1942, the regular Jewish press was flooding the world with stories of the death camp horrors; the Zionists were unmoved. They were literally modeling their terror campaign against fellow Jews and Palestinians on the Nazi SS.
You are so wrong, and should be ashamed for spreading such B.S.
Mona- yeah, this
” Menachem Begin, after Kristalnacht, specifically opposed programs to deliver German Jewish children to safety in England, because he preferred that the “half” who would survive Nazis be drawn to Zionism and come to Palestine as Zionists.”
The fact that creating terror or waging terror, or manipulating terror is so integral to the zionist mind is utterly baffling- and horrifying.
One can’t help but picture the imagery of Smoloko, and the parasite sucking at the brain of the big bully- the great alliance of fanatical zionists with fascist Catholics and others is truly a bizarre symbiotic relationship.
We see it in every policy anywhere in the US today, this perverse ‘shepherd and sheepies’ mindset is so transparent, and so indicative of the thousands of years history between the slavers and the slaved, via state terror, and “mystery terrorists” who operate off of racism, and superstitions embedded like land mines in old scrolls and laws about who can, and who cannot have a handmaiden, who first was had by a dog, and so on, and on and on.
Cuz, along with lashon hara, to protect the dead(and keep the news free from ‘fake news’ of course) it’s all ‘for the children.’
But whose?? Ah- that’s the question that baffles them most….because the answer proves the point.
My copy of Thomas Suarez’ book, State of Terror, has arrived. I’m only on p. 32, and it’s already overwhelming. The statement by Dr. Paul Nathan regarding the horrors Zionists were inflicting on Arabs by 1914 in Palestine is the merest tip of the iceberg. No doubt I’ll have opportunity to be citing from this book in numerous threads here.
Menachem Begin, after Kristalnacht, specifically opposed programs to deliver German Jewish children to safety in England, because he preferred that the “half” who would survive Nazis be drawn to Zionism and come to Palestine as Zionists. Again, I’m only on p. 32 of this massively footnoted book.
Holocaust deniers for Israel visit the country they like
Haaretz, my emphasis:
Antisemites loving Israel is nothing new; Zionists forged working relationships with them from the outset, including with German Nazis. As I showed below, white nationalists are often deeply enthusiastic about Israel’s ethno-supremacist form of government.
Zionists are promiscuous in falsely calling others liars, which would be hilarious if not so breathtakingly the polar opposite of serious reality.
What’s funny is how you were caught lying and you think that by calling others liars it fools anyone.
Well maybe it fools your new best friends who seem to be too stupid to can’t their anti semitism from slipping out from under their anti zionist mask.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/05/israelis-want-soldier-executed-wounded-palestinian-suspect-camera-go-free/?comments=1#comment-333956
Reply.
Greenwald from last spring: Fighting Israeli Occupying Forces Is “Terrorism.” Boycotting Is “Anti-Semitism.” What’s Allowed?
So, BDS is the preferred opposition tool, right? Greenwald:
Because boycotts always hurt innocent people (More than 575,000 Iraqi children died from sanctions,) they should not be used unless the matter is very important like life & death.
Don’t single out a particular country when other countries are doing the same thing otherwise you lose moral authority.
There should be just one demand & everyone should agree to stop as soon as the goal is met otherwise the target will not change if it is not confident that the sanctions will stop.
It is especially wrong to hurt innocents when there’s little chance of success. Omar Barghouti, the founder of BDS, won’t end BDS until Israel agrees to take in all Palestinian refugees. Israel would never agree to stop being a Jewish state so there’s zero possibility of success.
As a Zionist (propagandist), it is obscene for you to speak of “hurting innocent people.” Deri revokes residency status of Jerusalem terrorist’s family
These “terrorists” attacked soldiers. BDS gets a steroid injection every time Israel commits further apartheid actions against Palestinians. No Jewish families are EVER sanctioned for Jewish terrorism. It’s done routinely to Palestinian families, their homes are BULLDOZED or stolen.
Israel is literally founded on ethnically cleansing and slaughtering innocent Arab people — and dissenting Jews. Your chutzpah is breathtaking.
My country, by the way, has always “singled out” Israel. That’s why I, as an American citizen, have especial moral authority to support BDS.
Do you think that it was morally wrong to murder those soldiers?
Why do you characterize this as “murder?”
It fits the definition”
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another:
Why do you believe this was “unlawful?”
Murder is against the law.
What specific law?
You have to cite the jurisdiction and specific murder statute and say why it applies. Killing of uniformed soldiers is in many cases not murder. You haven’t shown why this is a case where it is.
According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, people have the right to life so it’s you who needs to show why an exception should be made in the case of these Israelis soldiers.
Uh-huh. And I suppose you’re a pacifist? Translation: “I can’t explain why killing uniformed military is ‘murder,’ so I’ll just toss out whatever bullshit pops into my head.”
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another is the definition of murder. What happened fits the description. If you don’t think that what happened is murder, the burden is on you to prove that it’s not murder.
My question was about morality, not legality.
At least 300,000 Palestinian refugees live in Lebanon in what Human Rights Watch calls”appalling social and economic conditions.” They’re blocked from working in a variety of professions, and the Lebanese government has largely resisted granting them broader property rights.
The Redditor quotes British member of Parliament Gerald Kaufman on his 2011 visit to the refugee camps in Lebanon:
When I went to Gaza in 2010 I thought I had seen the worst that could be seen of the appalling predicament of Palestinians living in conditions which no human being should be expected to endure. But what I saw in the camps in Lebanon is far worse and far more hopeless. The conditions are unspeakable, but for over 400,000 of our fellow human beings this is their life: today, tomorrow and for a future that cannot even be foreseen. At least in Gaza, frightful though the situation is, the people are free within the confines of their blockaded prison. In the camps of Lebanon they are not free.
Do you favor BDS against Apartheid Lebanon?
I’ll consider BDS against Lebanon when Palestinians call for it.
Do you consider Lebanon apartheid?
I don’t know enough about it to say.
Why is it that there are so many articles about Israel & Palestinians, but so few articles about Lebanon & Palestinians?
No one would have been killed or displaced if Palestinians had not been murdering innocent Jews.
That is false. Zionists kill and ethnically cleanse Palestinians to steal their land. That is why Palestinians then turn around and kill Zionists. You seriously need to read a book. Either Ali Abunimah’s, which I’ve already linked, or John Judis’s, would do.
Palestinians were murdering Jews long before anyone even accused Jews of stealing land.
It’s never obscene to speak out against hurting innocent people.
Mona, I expect you are probably a decent person, and a compassionate one. But, you are so wrong headed, and maybe a self-hating Jew. In my own experience, self-hating people of any ethnicity, have self-esteem issues which compels them to sometimes do and say outrageous things to impress a group they want to associate with. In the case of Israel, to excuse terrorist attacks, even against Israeli soldiers would suggest that Israeli soldiers would have the right to retaliate, and if you make that claim, the pardoning of Elor Azaria for killing the Arab terrorist makes some sense. That’s not my view, but it’s your’s if you want to be consistent. Furthermore, the right for Jews to live in the Jewish state of Israel has both a historical and a legal justification. I don’t think I have to cite historical facts, they’re well known. The legal right for the existence of the Jewish state of Israel, including all of Jerusalem, and Samaria and Judea reside under the terms of the League of Nations, and the British Mandate, a right as a matter of law. These terms were confirmed by the San Remo Conference, Article 80 of the United Nations charter, and the Armistice Agreements of 1949. Furthermore, Israel is the only true participatory democracy in the Middle East, giving all it’s citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish all the rights and privileges to it’s social programs, access to all of Israel’s professional and governmental careers, and economic opportunities.
We Single Israel Out Because We in the West Are Shamefully Complicit in Its Crimes
Evidence that maintaining a 47-year military occupation is in violation of international law?
I suggest you read a book.
There are many countries which were more deserving of criticism for their treatment of women than Israel, but only ONE country, Israel, was criticized.
There are MANY countries that receive aid from the USA.
If there were many democracies which are under more existential threat than Israel, but only Israel was given aid, that would be singling out. But that’s not the case.
The best solution would be for Palestinians to decide to live in peace.
Israel insists attack on soldiers in occupied territory is “terror
Virtually no definition of “terrorism” includes attacks on the military.
The right to resist is only against belligerent occupation.
From the article which Mona claimed said the Ashkenazi refused to work and where her buddy, and follow liar Jace claimed she read the same thing.
“Crowded together in worst lodgings or in the dark cellars under as synagogue building without food fuel or water even water at Jerusalem being of price numbers died of starvation and various diseases while others went raving mad Those who could were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and the OrientalChristians They found compassion only among the English residents in the city directed by Consul Finn and wife the Rev J Nicolayson Bisho Gobat Miss Cooper other benevolent persons A plot o ground outside the walls which chanced to bear the name of Abraham was soon purchased for a large market garden and vineyard It was cultivated by some of these Jews for wages enough to them and their wives and children alive Few of them accustomed to such labour being mostly artisans tinsmiths glaziers dyers tailors or literary and theological students of…”
You’ve left some things out! But that’s what Zionists do.
And no, I’m still not gonna do anything further to “debate” your latest red herring.
I included what was needed to prove tou lied when you claimed that you proved in citing this article number one reason for these peoples plight was their refusal to work. It not a red herring, and you using that term to descibe my post shows you dont even know what the term means.
Gil, you are weak because Zionism is weak. Those who adhere to its terrorist principles are not Jews. I can understand that your very hurt that no one believes any of your formulaic diatribes. You were raised to be this myopic, and downright ignorant. Prove that I lie you cheap suit…lol!
This is what he does, especially with me. If one let’s him, he’ll keep you running and hopping to his bait — calling you a liar, claiming you can’t prove this or that — all to keep you wrapped up in his bullshit, and misdirect the thread.
He’s angry that his terroristic, fundamentally fascistic ideology is exposed. This is all he, or any of them, have, but don’t feed any of them. Use them, but do not feed them.
Come of it Mona, I didn’t claim you couldn’t prove this or that. I claimed an article that you cited repeatedly didn’t say what you claimed. When I disproved your first lie, that the Ashkenazi Jews discriminated again the Sephardi Jews you changed the lie to being the condition of the Ashkenazi Jews was caused by their unwillingness to work. Then I proved that was a lie. If you need to make up imaginary plots as a defense mechanism to keep your ego from going down the toilet I understand.
Reply.
No, you delusional Jew-baiting israel-worshipping zio anti-Semite, the only thing you proved is that you’re a frum little goy-hating Jew-nationalist zio kapo prick—and a liability.
I have proved you are a liar. You said the article confirmed Mona’s claim. I provided the quote that proved she was lying. You claimed to have read something that wasnt there.
Now of course you or Mona could provide yhe quote you say makes me a liar. Lets see you do it Jace. Too funny a pair of liars caught red handed and stupid enough to think they can deny their way out of it.
No, you proved you are a toxic little amoral ziopath that likes to piss in the wind.
Israeli diplomat schemed to ‘take down’ UK’s Deputy Foreign Secretary because he slammed settlements
The U.S. is frequently behind the UK on multiple issues, but not that far behind. Attention on the same, and even worse, Zionist machinations here will eventually begin receiving more mainstream examination. It will take the under-35s coming to positions of power. But it will happen. And Zionists have demonstrated they know that.
Thank you for sharing…as per usual the Zionist menace has no shame, no moral compass, and is ALWAYS scheming to undermine someone. Israel is already up to its neck in a self constructed abyss. It is only a matter of time when they hang themselves…not even Trump, and the mendacious congress, and senate can save them now.
Too funny, yes the “zionist menace ” has no shame. Unlike the anti-zionists who claim jews were at fault for the holocaust.
Come on Jace you were going to show me evidence Mona wasn’t lying, where is it. Go back to Stormfront where you belong and take Mona with you at least there see can peddle her lies where they won’t be proven wrong.
Jace, I respectfully request you ignore Gil, at least on this matter. Don’t let him ensnare you in this bullshit tactic he repeatedly deploys.
Masked Israelis Attack Activists Accompanying Palestinian Farmers in West Bank
That’s Zionism. And it always has been.
Any interested should also see this sub-thread, to observe Gil’s duplicitous behavior and inability to read/admit error. And that’s only in this thread. Typical Zionist behavior — downright Dershowitzian.
Error: I meant that to remain in the appropriate sub-thread.
Yes indeed they should also read the article in question, Mona and I both provided links to , and see how she flat out lied about what the article said. Not only did she lie about the contents of the article but she lied about why I called her a liar. Which has now been proven. also notice how Mona, rather than admit that she can’t provide the quote to back up her claim, acts like a pretends to be indignant about the request. Absolutely hysterical to see the her squirming like a worm. Deceitful and typical of her.
As I already said, I’m done hopping to your demands. All you accuse me of is false. I’m content to rest on my long record for truthfulness and error-admisison here, as opposed to the constant mendacity of Zionists, you included.
Of course you are done. You got outed as a liar again and now rather than admit that what you posted was a falsehood you are running away like the propagandist you are.
The only long record you have is of being deceitful and not admitting your lies when they have been exposed. All you have to do if find the quote that backs up your claim in an article your already have the link to. You really think anyone who knows you believes you wouldn’t provide it if it existed. Too funny.
I did read it, and it seems that your ability to obfuscate and create bs out of thin air is your forte’. The only liar here is the one in your mirror. Grow a pair, and get an education while you are at it! Dolt!
I’m going to start ignoring his bad faith whining on this matter. To do otherwise assists him in polluting the board.
It is quite amazing how ineffective the entire Zionist diatribe really is. These poor myopic souls like Gil, and Jack have been fed a lifetime of lies, and disinformation that reality unto itself does not exist.
Their world is a world built upon mendacity, racism, and the desire to dominate other’s by force, and hasbara. Thankfully the world has awakened to this travesty, and is doing something about it.
If you read it you can surely cite the part that backs up Mona’s claim that the article says the Ashkenazi Jews didnt want to work. So come on Jace provide the cite. Do it. If you do uou prove i am what you claim. If you cant you prove you are a liar just like Mona.
Arguing with hasbara must be profitable-otherwise, why, Mona, et al? (laughing to myself as I see that, apparently, those who argue with “Jack Green,” who on one day might be a 17 year old college freshman, and on another day, a group of Squad 8200 trainees at the same terminal)
And none of you have the certainty that Jack Green is even real- probably an AI chatbot, cooked up in the Squad 8200 laboratory.
Anyways-Gilad Atzmon/Jonathan Blakeley has a guide you can use to sort out which form of time consuming bot you are arguing with (big win for zionism if you let them steal your time)
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jonathon-blakeley-a-guide-to-hasbara-trolls.html
I find it too funny that the rabid anti-Zionists need to make up conspiracy theories to explain why they get exposed as liars so often. It couldn’t possibly because they don’t know their facts, so it must be because of a robot poster cooked up by those wily Jews.
No they don’t. Facts suffice.
What conspiracy theory’s?? Zionism is an atheist fabrication with no ties to Judaism, or the land of Palestine. Where did Abraham mention Zionism in the Bible?? Where was the term Ashkenazi used in the Talmud, Bible or Torah??? HMMM???…Where was it written that the Ashkenazis were God’s chosen??? Stop being a lapdog Gil! Your laughable sect has always been on the wrong side of history.
Typical canned response. I call these baiting rsponses “zioturds” that these things fling like monkeys. Do your own research Gollum- everything I said up there is in play on the internet, and more. Love Jews, hate zionists-for the good of all humanity.
That is wrong, if by “steal time” you mean rebut them with facts, and demonstrate the egregious extent that Zionists lie. Hasbara trolls — whether bot or person — provide ample fodder to demonstrate the sickness of Zionists and Zionism. On many levels. (Countless times, commenters have thanked me for the information I post.)
That said, it is necessary to not let Zionists such as Gil keep one occupied meeting absurd demands or on the defensive in the face of constant allegations of lying, or other alleged bad behavior. I decided to spend over 30 minutes re-locating a Google archives link to satisfy him, this one time, but I’m done.
Really, hasbara trolls and/or Zionists can be an enormous gift, facilitating the education of many. One simply has to take care not to let the Zionists take control.
Mona: “Really, hasbara trolls and/or Zionists can be an enormous gift, facilitating the education of many”
Yeah, I can see that point, and maybe you are the right person to do the time-consuming work. Agreed. But ‘I ain’t the one…’
And- as a matter of fact, I actually did copy one of your responses it was so good, and informative. It began ” Israel was founded by Jewish terrorists, who used children”
Yup. “It’s for the children” some say-but whose? These people shouldn’t breed-especially with their chatbots. Here is what happens when an IDF/Squad 8200 mad scientist/ AIPAC troll breeds with artificial intelligence:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-using-black-ops-against-bds-says-veteran-analyst
My fellow forum minds….Do you know why the Jack Green’s of the world exist??? it is a fear of legitimacy. Zionists have proven since day one to educated, and well read minds that it is nothing more a snake oil ploy. The Zionist concept from the very beginning was to enrich itself and the Atheists who founded it.
One can look at the Holocaust Industry that has taken shape after the Zionists invaded, polluted, and destroyed every Palestinian village that stood for centuries. The Zionists needed money, so the narrative of six million Jews dying was pushed to no end.
These fiends cared nothing about all of the other lives lost in WW2….typical Zionist behavior. This was the “highjacking” of the Holocaust by the Zionist menace. The Zionists cared nothing about Jewish suffering, all they wanted was land, money, and power. period.
The uneducated trolls like JG come here to prove that Zionist terror is real, and it will do, and say anything in order to remain in the conversation, but those who really know realize that Zionism is as relevant as say Scientology or any other cult unable to assimilate with humanity.
Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.
The first Zionists arrived in Palestine in 1882. The holocaust was more than 40 years later.
Not exactly. The idea was that European Jews would find anywhere — it was not initially designated to be Palestine — to found their own ethno-religious supremacist state; such state models were popular among various fascist-nationalist movements in the late 19th and early 20th century. Most Jews found that notion repugnant (which it is), and notwithstanding antisemitism, they overwhelmingly denounced political Zionism that relied on ethnically cleansing the indigenous population, and starting a racist state for Jews. (Albert Einstein was vehement in his rejection.)
Antisemites supported Zionism — and Zionists sought them out for support — becasue their ideologies were nearly identical in form. Many neo-Nazis (not all) still support Zionism.
This is all overwhelmingly documented in multiple books and articles. And you’ve been shown it all endlessly.
The root of the word “Zionism” is “Zion” which refers to Jerusalem.
The definition of Zionism according to Merriam-Webster:
“an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel”
Notice “Palestine” & notice no mention of supremacy or racism or ethnic cleansing.
According to Dictionary.com:
a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel.
Notice “Israel” & notice no mention of supremacy or racism or ethnic cleansing.
According to the Free Dictionary:
1. (Judaism) a political movement for the establishment and support of a national homeland for Jews in Palestine, now concerned chiefly with the development of the modern state of Israel
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a political movement for the establishment and support of a national homeland for Jews in Palestine, now concerned chiefly with the development of the modern state of Israel
3. (Judaism) a policy or movement for Jews to return to Palestine from the Diaspora
4. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a policy or movement for Jews to return to Palestine from the Diaspora
Notice “Israel” & “Palestine” & notice no mention of supremacy or racism or ethnic cleansing.
According to the Cambridge Dictionary:
an international political and religious movement that supported establishing an independent Jewish state in Palestine and that supports the modern state of Israel
Notice “Israel” & “Palestine” & notice no mention of supremacy or racism or ethnic cleansing.
According to the Oxford Dictionary:
A movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
Notice “Israel” & notice no mention of supremacy or racism or ethnic cleansing.
No, you Jew-baiting israel-worshipping zio anti-Semite, the root of the word “Zionism” is “zio”, which refers to indoctrinated israel-worshipping Palestinian-hating zio window lickers.
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I noticed there was no mention of “anti-Semitism”, “Jerusalem” or “The holocaust”, and that you’re an indoctrinated israel-worshipping Palestinian-hating zio window licker.
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I noticed there was no mention of “anti-Semitism”, “Jerusalem” or “The holocaust”, and that you’re an indoctrinated israel-worshipping Palestinian-hating zio mouth-breather.
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I noticed there was no mention of “anti-Semitism”, “Jerusalem” or “The holocaust”, and that you’re an indoctrinated israel-worshipping Palestinian-hating zio mouth-breather and window-licker.
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I noticed there was no mention of “anti-Semitism”, “Jerusalem” or “The holocaust”, and that you’re an indoctrinated israel-worshipping Palestinian-hating zio mouth-breather and window-licker.
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I noticed there was no mention of “anti-Semitism”, “Jerusalem” or “The holocaust”, and that you’re an indoctrinated israel-worshipping Palestinian-hating zio mouth-breather.
Why do you suppose there has been Jewish persecution in the first place?? It was not just outward racism. There is a a cause and effect scenario here. The were/are able to gain power in these countries and choke off the non-Jewish people from prosperity.
The rise of Hitler was not a lark, it was a rage from the poor and disaffected German population. The objectives of Jews in these countries and the US is to keep their power, and wealth to themselves, and not share in a mutual prosperity that would be beneficial for all.
Zionism did not return anyone to a fabricated homeland since Zionism does not exist in any holy text, or is defined by name as having any relevance to the Jewish people for Judaism.
The whole canard that Zionism was a return for Jews to Palestine is an old wives tale that was created in order to give credence to the Zionist narrative…which has always been about deceit, lies, and propaganda.
Ok, this is where you and I dramatically part ways. German Jews simply did not do what you claim, or in any manner bring the vile crimes of the Nazis on themselves. Take some care, because they do delete and ban antisemites here.
Hi Mona, I am not blaming all of German Jewery for the rise of Hitler. Many societal elements were to blame for Hitler’s rise. The 1929 stock market crash, plus the loss of WW1, and the Collapse of a grand coalition of right and left wing parties in Germany . I am not an anti-Semite, furthermore I lost relatives in the Holocaust which is why I am an ardent activist against Zionism.
But Jace, this is indefensible:
Names like Greenwald, Blumenthal (Max), Brandeis, Chabon, Einstein and Arendt are only the beginning of what could be marshaled against that claim. For many, Zionism has badly corrupted the Jewish ethics that historically have been a great gift to the West, perhaps especially the United States. But those gifts remain, and many Jewish people still give them.
And as so often happens the mask falls. Still amazed how often those claiming to be anti zionist out themselves as anti jew.
It definitely does happen. So Glenn, I, Max, Ali and the rest of the anti-Zionist left do call them out.
You do Mona. Credit where credit is due.
LOL…Zionists are anti-Semites Gil…that would be you! You are the epitome of what Judaism is not. Be a nice slave…Your putrid upbringing is shining through…
Face it Jace you’ve been outed. and even your buddy Mona agrees. How am I the epitome of what Judaism is not? You don’t now the first thing about it.
Jace: ” The objectives of Jews in these countries and the US is to keep their power, and wealth to themselves, and not share in a mutual prosperity that would be beneficial for all.”
Be careful with this line of thought- and NEVER FORGET that these rich/inter-related narratives of Jewish culture contain both collaborators and vehement dissenters as well.
I think you might be saying that certain elements of Jewish radicals as well as zionists of all stripes ( and they do deserve some stripes, on their backs…) stirred up a pot in pre-Hitler Germany (not much different than what we saw with HRC-v-The Donald in the American election)- but you left out the fact that they had lots of non-Jewish allies as well, and particularly relied upon non-Jewish women for power.
That some Jewish supremacists worked with international capitalists to break the balls of Germany, while privileging women’s narratives would steer you to see that it ran deeper then just “the Jews,”and they did it with propaganda that rendered German men and patriarchs as “the other”; that these interests worked to impart a top down “I, Thou, it” narrative wherein men who had actually fought for the country, died for it, plowed it’s fields and so on, were demonized to their own daughters, and rendered the ‘outsiders’ in their own locale; that literally, like we saw under the HRC run-up, the constant jousting at ‘white men,’ and claims of cuckoldry/pedophile/rapist/etc – and Hitler was in part a response to that, and he took the opposite “othering” approach by blaming Jews exclusively.
Wherever you find a ‘corrupt and immoral Jew’ or a zionist, you will also find ten more equally corrupt “others” doing business together, whether it is killing babies with white phosphorous, or drilling oil in the ‘promised land’ (and not Argentina…) you will find these same people-Eric Prince is one great example.
This had it’s roots in the fact that that Frankfurt school of kabbalists held great sway in his press and the national propaganda and academia; not at all unlike what we see with the power of zionists and their christian/catholic/others, slaves and parrots today.
Particularly, the leftist /bolshevik element in Germany at the time could not perpetrate wholesale terror, rape, pillage, and slaughter as they did in Russia, so instead, they courted the women of the nation with propaganda and ’cause,’ by using Bernay’s “peacetime propaganda” and Freud’s bizarre narratives about, well, Freud’s bizarre mind.
A great read is Charu Gupta (who I am guessing is neither Jewish nor Christian), who wrote about women in Nazi Germany at that time, and the pull between the left and right elements; but also between the tension between the Jewish cosmopolitan and the ‘native’ German vying for control of the women:
http://www.academia.edu/2185103/Politics_of_Gender_Women_in_Nazi_Germany
What is interesting about Gupta’s work is that she wrote it in 1991- and many other ‘feminists’ have since attempted to write or re-write the paper, because what Gupta did was in essence, laid *some* culpability at the feet of women, as well as men (which is generally intolerable to the whitish western feminist).
And she concluded that what we were really looking at was fascism, regardless of which side started it, and that in fact, women needed to rise up to resist the encroachment of government into our private spaces, which is what fascism does:
“One of the features of the Nazi state was its totalitarian tendency to wipe out the boundaries between public and private life and to politicise every aspect of the individual’s existence.
As time went on women came to resist this politicisation of the family. The stage was set for the cult of domesticity which was a central feature of German social and political life in the two decades following the collapse of the Third Reich”
So, again, she notes what few women, and even fewer feminists of today note, which is that women are responsible to resist or stop the blurring of public and private life for everyone, not just women. But instead of the cult of domesticity, we have women today that think they are empowered if they own a dog instead of a kid, belong to multiple ’cause’ organizations instead of a cult(….), have a job, and own a Fitbit, while they argue online with the patriarchy about why they don’t care about NSA spying or Israeli interception of ALL OF OUR DATA (badmenz AND women who voted HRC alike are targeted ).
So, again, like then, we saw how easily the HRC democrats were willing to sell American privacy just to keep the reigns of power and encouraging both the encroachment, and the fascism. And all of that because last generations feminism skipped the class about ‘personal responsibility and how it affects the Constitutional rights of speech and privacy.’
And even now, Democrats that run the gamut of fallen away Catholics, and other religions are blind to their own culpability in building this modern police state, primarily because the allies of “cosmopolitan Jews”who on one hand preach empowerment of women, then work with the same group of white women/minorities who “other” others, while resenting being othered themselves- and call the DHS or Jack Dorsey every time someone uses badwerdz on Twitter, which is really, just another statement of power and privilege (that of being believed.).
How readily these cringed when they realize how they themselves had raped privacy, demolished the safety of the domecile, and replaced badmenz with Officer Friendly, good touch, and the VAWA; and all the while inserting the words “vagina” and “rape” into every dialogue/monologue. I can’t imagine why Palantir is worth so much money-can you?
This next round of American fascism has every thinking person scared regardless of tribe. The fascists amongst the Jews have their communist slaughters, but they are equally involved with the fascists amongst the Catholics/Christians/Zionists of all stripes ( and believe me, they richly deserve a few stripes, on their backs) today, who wage their constant fascist pogroms, one bloody hand washing the other….
Fascism is what we are really talking about, and the big guys and gals are all in on that together (Dianne Feinstein’s version of ‘democracy’ via marriage to the war industry and its objectives provides the perfect example of that hypocrisy)Maybe it’s time to look at that, instead of ‘the objectives of Jews.” Leave them out of it….
and yet another self proclaimed anti-Zionist outs themselves as anti Jew. You guys can’t even keep the mask on for more then a few posts.
Yeah. Suuuuuure, your right Adolph-beta 2. Wutever you said there. Beep beep booop beep.
To the humans looking in-and especially those who know what real anti-semitism looks like: Zionism is NOT Judaism, and does not speak for all Jews, but rather those who descend from thugs, gangsters, pimps, rum runners, white slavers, and holohoaxers who paint swastikas on their own synagogues every time they lose an election.
Which, fortunately for the rest of us, is a minority element of radical, sociopathic, and misanthropic Jewry. Here is one such example: when the “Nazi’s” led by Frank Collin~nee Cohen, marched in Skokie Illinois:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie
The punchline of course is not only that Frank Collin-the “Nazi” leader was Jewish (and a pedophile) but also that the ACLU took that one (just that one) case defending the right of Nazi’s to march, and speak.
Fastforwards to today, and well, ZIONISM is everywhere, because Frank Collin’s early attempt at modelling fascism for batshit crazy militant Jews worked out so well.
Frank Collin:
http://www.flavinscorner.com/collin.htm
The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) soldier and medic Elor Azaria, who was filmed last March (by Imad Abu Shamsiya, a Palestinian B’Tselem volunteer) executing an incapacitated Palestinian man, Fattah al-Sharif, in cold blood has been convicted of manslaughter. He is now the modern Israeli hero, “the child of all of us” as many Israelis refer to him.
Israel does not care that each and every one of the arguments for self-defense brought forth by Azaria’s lawyers was completely and utterly debunked by the judges. It makes no difference to him that the act was caught on tape and that the murdered Palestinian was clearly incapacitated and neutralized. It is immaterial that if Azaria thought the Palestinian man had a suicide belt, one of the defense’s arguments, his actions would have made even less sense and endangered more of his surrounding comrades.
Let’s be clear: this is not the first summary execution of a Palestinian by an IDF soldier nor will it be the last. It was just coincidentally captured on film, and consequently caused an uproar that led to an unavoidable trial. Elor Azaria is not a rotten apple and Israelis are indeed correct in calling him “the child of all of us”. He is an ugly mirror of Israel.
Zionists increasingly have discontinued spouting The Most Moral Army™ nonsense. Too much is increasingly known for them to be taken seriously if they toss that one into the discussion.
Israel should guard its soul more carefully. In celebrating needless death and destruction, it is celebrating its own.
Israeli Bill Seeks to Allow IDF Soldiers to Kill with Impunity
As proposed by Israel’s deputy defense minister, Eli Ben Dahan.
Mona writes: ” I do know I demonstrated that Christian and Muslim employment discrimination was a tertiary cause of Sephardic immiseration in 19th century Jerusalem. Ashkenazi refusal to work, and Sephardim refusal to share charitable funds with them, were the first two.”
No where in the article does it say the Ashkenazi refused to work. Again you are lying.
You didn’t demonstrate anything except your inability to disseminate information honestly. Now go read the article again and see if you are still laughing.
Yes it does. And yes I am.
Provide the quote Mona. Or are you still to busy to document your claims.
How you can have the nerve to talk about others lying after being caught lying repeatedly is amazing.
Face it Mona once again I have exposed you as a charlatan and a liar.
Ah, I thought the odds pretty good that you’d get in a snit and call me a liar and etc. Here ya go, Gil. The Saturday Review of Politics, Literature, Science, Art, and Finance, Volume 46, p. 699, November 30, 1978. Do note the NYT snippet is a month subsequent to that date — that would be because it was not original there, but rather was included in a round-up section of news from other publications , just as I said.
Why do you keep questioning my claims? You’ve seen countless times I seldom err*, and certainly not materially on anything related to Israel.
Now, please stop piddling around with such digressions, going off into the weeds about minor issues that no one else cares about. You demanded, I complied.
Enough.
*(Not because I’m intellectually superior to the rest of the world; I’m merely very careful about making firm fact claims.)
Now the quote in the article that say the Ashkenazi refused to work?
You are still a liar if you can’t produce that. And that is not a minor issue. You made it central to your claim.
Amazing, absolutely amazing, how Zionists lie, call others liars, and then — confronted with evidence of their duplicity or mistake — they go on to insist the others are still liars. No gracious concession of error, much less an apology. You thereby demonstrate that you are a propagandist, not a normal participant in political debate.
I do not lie in political discussions, as my long record here and elsewhere demonstrates — including here, again. I also always admit error. Quite ironically, I mistakenly conceded error to the hasbara troll, only to discover a week or so later that I’d been right after all. His source (Wikipedia) is wrong.
Going forward, Gil, I will link to this exchange any time you call me a liar or otherwise doubt my claims. It illustrates many unpleasant truths about your honesty and methods of engagement. (As does your utter silence about the many and egregious lies of Alan Dershowitz, knowingly repeated by your hasbara troll buddy.)
(I’ve already dealt with this other claim you keep spewing that I’m lying, and will not do so again, not in this thread. You stand discredited enough that I feel no need to.)
Yes you proved your claim it was published elsewhere. Your characterization of the article which is clearly the most important part is still a lie. So indeed link back to this article.
Gil : ‘No where in the article does it say the Ashkenazi refused to work. Again you are lying.”
Mona: “Yes it does” .
Gil: Provide the quote
Mona : Dershowitz Derhowitz Derhowitz
Face it you are a liar and an unreliable reporter, and once again I have exposed you as such.
oh and I never said you were lying about the article being published elsewhere I just said you never provided the link.
I said you lied about the relationship between the the two Jewish groups, and your claim that the Ashkenazi Jews refused to work. Which you did.
So yes please link back to this thread it shows not only do you lie about the facts but you also lie about what other posters have claimed.
Nope. Not hopping to your demands any more. Done. Thread bookmarked for future use.
This is where you stomped like a bully, demanding a link, and demanding it now. Higher in the thread, in this sub-thread, I gave you the link.
And Dershowitz is wholly relevant; your hasbara buddy made him so by yet again repeating Dershowtiz’s lies. Oddly, you are utterly silent about all that. As a Zionist, your real objection is that I show one of your main U.S. propagandists to be a total liar, who was justly accused of plagiarism. (Note: Finkelstein boldly and in several venues (including a book) accused him of it, and Attorney and retired Harvard Law Professor Dershowitz, never sued.)
Alan Dershowitz endorses collective punishment of Palestinians
While retrieving the evidence that our hasbara troll repeats a knowing lie from a Dershowtiz book-length propaganda tract, I discovered something I had not known. Dershowitz advocates destroying entire Palestinian villages in response to a terrorist attack.
So of course he endorses demolishing the family homes of Palestinian terrorists, as Israel routinely does. (In the apartheid state, the family homes of Jewish terrorists are never touched.)
I found this claim supported in multiple sources, including the Harvard Crimson, but will link to Norman Finkelstein again. Who also documents that Dershowitz wrote:
Well then.
But oh, isn’t BDS just awful for targeting a whole country for non-violent protest!
Isn’t it hypocritical for you to denounce Dershowitz for advocating economic sanctions when you advocate economic sanctions?
I’m not denouncing Dershowitz “for advocating economic sanctions.” Tho I could, because the Palestinians are the oppressed, and the oppressor sanctioning their victims is and would be repugnant.
Do you denounce him for advocating collective punishment in the manner described and quoted above?
Do you endorse Israel’s policy of demolishing the homes of the families of Palestinian terrorist suspects?
Stabbing Israelis is oppression. Running over Israelis is oppression. Blowing up Israelis in buses is oppression. Launching rockets & mortars at Israelis is oppression. Blowing up pizza restaurants & night clubs & hotels is oppression.
Nope, none of that is oppression. You’ve claimed that scads of times before, and no one reasonable is going to believe it. Moshe Dayan didn’t believe it. Your absurdity would mean the African National Congress “oppressed” the whites of South Africa during apartheid, and the Irish Republicans oppressed the English — both of which are as preposterous as your assertions.
As you are well aware, he made clear that no people would tolerate what Zionists did to Palestinians without responding violently. You’ve seen that Dayan text probably a dozen times at least.
So, as I said, “the Palestinians are the oppressed, and the oppressor sanctioning their victims is and would be repugnant.”
And also, Dershowitz should be a moral leper. He advocates vile policies and is himself vile. And you agree with him.
The ANC was defending itself against white violence. The Irish Republicans were defending themselves against English violence. But the Arabs were not defending themselves against Jewish violence in the nineteenth century.
If murdering Jews is OK because of what Jews did to Arabs, then isn’t murdering Arabs OK because of what Arabs did to Jews especially because Arabs were terrorizing Jews first?
What vile policies does Dershowitz advocate that I agree with?
All of it. Fort you have remained silent while participating in threads when a reasonable and moral person who disagrees would not. See here what those working to be moral do in such circumstances.
The only witnesses to these “so-called” stabbings have been the IDF, and illegal settlers….Most of these “set-ups” are to provoke the Palestinians. You see JG, no one trusts anything that a Zionist says, because 95% of the time it is a lie. You are really are quite the duped lapdog….here you have illegal terrorists settlers destroying Palestinian homes, illegally occupying their land, threatening and killing Palestinian children….THE IDF DESERVE TO BE TARGETED FOR BRUTAL RETRIBUTION!!!..considering their rampant criminality on a daily basis in a country where they have no legal mandate to be in. TROLL!
Why would Zionists want to provoke the Palestinians?
The occupation is legal because Israel was attacked just as the occupation of Germany after world war 2 was legal because the Allies were attacked.
Are you saying that ALL soldiers in the IDF should be targeted or just those who have done something wrong? Either way, shouldn’t they be put on trial first?
Why would the the German population in the 30’s elect Hitler?? Oppression, and no power to change the status quo. Jews owned Germany in the run up to Hitler being elected…You ask some very stupid questions. Zionists want all of the land, furthermore they are accountable to no one. The Palestinians are in the way…The occupation is illegal, and always has been…provide any UN security resolution, or general assembly vote that states the occupation of Palestine since 67 is legal…GO!!
Where is the Jewish faith within Zionist Israel??? Here you have a population whose majority embraces a terrorist ideology over an established religious faith that unto itself is the polar opposite. This brings into question the actual legitimacy of Zionism especially since it resembles the KKK in its zeal for a pure state…is unable to assimilate with any other culture or people, and is devoid of any moral compass. If Israel were an actual Jewish state I believe it would have been something completely different….something’ coherent, tolerant, and democratic…not the sociopathic menace that exists today.
That brings to mind Yuval Diskin’s (a former director of Israel’s FBI) lament, published in the Tablet, of the severe fascistic ethos and terrorism resurgent in Israel, spreading from the settlement fanatics in the West Bank. He sees this racist, terror-embracing Zionism taking over his whole country and wants it to be stopped.
That isn’t going to happen, and Diskin doesn’t face the fact that what he opposes is inherent in Zionism, and part and parcel of its long history. But he himself seems aware of Zionists’ terror history, for he writes:
Clearly, then, he believes Jews may resort to terrorism under certain conditions, and no doubt knows that Zionists did — often and egregiously. (He is silent as to whether Palestinians may so resort.)
Diskin also fears:
That has always been the case, and was so in Mandate Palestine, where Zionists killed politically “wrong” Jews, including those who didn’t want their children indoctrinated to accept terrorism and being child-terrorists. None of this that Diskin laments is new; it has always been of Zionism.
But you are right — this monstrous belief system is not defensible in any traditional form of religious Judaism. As Max Blumenthal put it, Zionism kills Palestinian bodies and Jewish souls.
Israel is a multicultural, multiracial, multi-confessional country whose people have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, etc. plus the vote. All this despite existential threats from its neighbors.
Its people are the 11th happiest in the world. Its per capita GNP is #31.
Israel is a wonderful country that set up field hospitals in Haiti & Nepal to help those hurt by the earthquakes & to help those in the Philippines who were injured by the typhoon. Israeli advances in science, medicine & agriculture have helped billions of people all over the world.
In 2011, a team of Israeli neonatologists went to Kumasi, Ghana’s second-largest city, to train local doctors and nurses in advanced, low-cost methods to address the city’s high infant mortality rate. The doctors, sent by the Alliance for Global Good in cooperation with MASHAV, also established two new neonatal units in Kumasi’s sole hospital.
An Israeli-built emergency room at Kisumu East District Hospital in Kenya was put together in less than a month by Israeli engineers and medical specialists in 2011. It is the hospital’s first fully-equipped ER and serves a region of six million people.
Israel has been instrumental in the drive to provide voluntary circumcision to African men as a proven method to reduce the risk of contracting HIV infection.
A circumcision clinic for Zulu men set up in 2011 by Israeli doctors in the AIDS-stricken province of KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, has treated thousands of men. PrePex, a non-surgical circumcision device from Israel’s Circ MedTech, was prequalified last summer by the World Health Organization (WHO) for use in 14 African nations with high rates of new HIV infections.
You may be the worst hasbara practitioner ever. If they’re paying you, they would justly demand it all back.
No one is paying me. Are you being paid?
Pick an argument I’ve given & show me how you could do it better.
So you volunteer for hasbara duties.
duties?
Do you volunteer for anti-Israel duties or are you paid?
You have proven nothing…all you do is obfuscate, and avoid the topic at hand. you have not addressed any of the points I made on Zionist legitimacy, and its complete lack of…For all of Israel’s good deeds they are pointless in the face of its sheer embrace of outright sociopathic bigotry, racism, and zeal for being completely lawless. Jack Green?? Not even a real name…your a fraud whose entire being is based upon lies and bs that embrace terrorism. Oh yeah huckster…STOP WITH THE CUTTING A PASTING.. like all Zionists you are unable to actually compose a clear and rational thought….lapdog.
What points have I not addressed?
Israel is the MOST legitimate country in the World because it was created by the WORLD?
Good deeds & outright sociopathic bigotry, racism, and zeal for being completely lawless don’t seem to go together.
For the past six years, Prof. Zvi Bentwich of the Center for Emerging Tropical Diseases and AIDS at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev has been working toward ridding Ethiopia of common parasitic infestations that contribute to AIDS, tuberculosis epidemics and other serious health problems particularly in children. Israelis in his NALA Foundation distribute anti-worm tablets and educate hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians on prevention.
Better farming
Israel is planning to build a model agricultural village in South Sudan to teach local farmers how Israel’s breakthrough agricultural methods and technologies can help the fledgling African nation boost its vegetable output. The idea took shape when former Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon met South Sudan Minister of Agriculture Betty Ogwaro at the Agritech 2012 expo in Tel Aviv.
“Israel is a multicultural, multiracial, multi-confessional country whose people have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, etc. plus the vote. ”
Baloney. For whom?
Israel is simultaneously running three systems of government.
The first is full democracy toward its Jewish citizens — ethnocracy.
The second is racial discrimination toward the Palestinian minority — creeping Jim Crowism.
The third is occupation of the Palestinian territories with one set of laws for Palestinians and another for Jewish settlers — apartheid.
All this despite existential threats from its neighbors. Baloney.
The only reason Israel has an existential threat from Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors is because of its illegal occupation and land theft and subjugation and mistreatment of the Palestinian People and its clear meddling in Arab affairs to ensure its domination of the Middle East and the Arabs quite clearly want no part of what Israel is offering or wanting to do in the region.
Of course, silly me, Israelis are facing constant threats: Iran, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Arab citizens, the Left, left-wing NGOS, social media, BDS – and of course, the greatest threat of all: peace plans.
If you want Palestinians to accept Israel’s existence, you must show that Israel’s existence does not preclude a viable Palestinian state. All the rest is commentary.
Please spare us all your hasbaric BS you are just another hasbaric troll slaving away at the Hasbara Institute in their capital Tel Aviv – employing an army of social media activists skilled enough to read jejune slogans but completely at a loss when confronted with the dark, fact-based truth that is Israel.
After-all, how many times can a hasbaric troll continue the laughable joke of trying to justify israel before a mindless 18 year old paid $10.00 an hour finally says enough and saunters off to the beach?
It’s all in the handbook – http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-propaganda-handbook-7-basic-propaganda-devices.html
We Americans also have racial discrimination so we’re not a perfect democracy, but we’re still a democracy. The same with Israel. While there may be discrimination against Arab Israelis, there’s also discrimination in favor of Arab Israelis e.g. they are exempt from the draft – a major advantage!
No country treats foreigners, especially enemy foreigners, the same way it treats its own citizens. When we occupied Germany, we didn’t let Germans vote in our elections. Apartheid? Of course not!
Israel was attacked by its neighbors on the day it declared independence.
Every time Israel offers to end the occupation, the Palestinians say “No!”
Even Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia (certainly not a Zionist) said that Arafat’s refusal to accept the January 2001 offer was a crime. Thousands of people would die because of Arafat’s decision & not one of those deaths could be justified.
As Clinton later wrote in his memoir:
It was historic: an Israeli government had said that to get peace, there would be a Palestinian state in roughly 97 percent of the West Bank, counting the [land] swap, and all of Gaza, where Israel also had settlements. The ball was in Arafat’s court.
But Arafat would not, or could not, bring an end to the conflict. “I still didn’t believe Arafat would make such a colossal mistake,” Clinton wrote. “The deal was so good I couldn’t believe anyone would be foolish enough to let it go.” But the moment slipped away. “Arafat never said no; he just couldn’t bring himself to say yes.”
Your not comprehending.
“While there may be discrimination against Arab Israelis” – you are not addressing the Palestinians. Again –
Israel is simultaneously running three systems of government.
The first is full democracy toward its Jewish citizens — ethnocracy.
The second is racial discrimination toward the Palestinian minority — creeping Jim Crowism.
The third is occupation of the Palestinian territories with one set of laws for Palestinians and another for Jewish settlers — apartheid.
You really have to stop with the hasbara:
The Palestinians formally recognized both the reality of the state of Israel and “its right to live in peace and security” as per the September 9, 1993 letter from Chairman Arafat to Prime Minister Rabin and the subsequent double amendment of the PLO’s Charter in 1996 and 1999.
What they cannot be expected to do is to renege on their past, deny their identity, and give up on what they believe is their history. They cannot be expected to become Zionists. They deserve their own state just like Israel, nothing less. You have done all you can to make it clear they are not residents of Israel, with no rights. They do not need to abide by the laws of “your” state. It is fully fitting that they and the rest of the world ignore you.
Working in tandem, Barak and Clinton tried to shove a very bad deal down Arafat’s throat during the 2000 Camp David Summit. It could only be rejected. Suffice to quote Shlomo Ben-Ami, then Israel’s foreign minister and lead negotiator at Camp David: “Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.”
While an agreement at Camp David was never going to happen, those talks laid the groundwork for further talks. Those took place several months later at Taba, and it was Barak who canceled them when it appeared that Arafat was prepared to sign.
It is understood that Barak only went to those talks because he was facing Sharon in an election, and that he had no real intention of signing a peace treaty with Arafat. But my point is that no one ever mentions Taba and how it was Barak who withdrew his negotiators in order to prevent a peace treaty. He them constructed the myth of The Generous Offer.
Israel has painted themselves into a corner, surrounded by states, countries and people around that loathe you. Their idiocy, mismanagement, hubris, arrogance and sense of entitlement based on the ridiculous credo of “God’s chosen people”, has left you and Israel discredited, unmasked, de-legitimized, scorned, laughed at and alienated from the rest of the international community. That will be their well deserved legacy.
Barak postponed the talks to prepare for the elections.
Germany had a choice. It could sign a peace treaty giving up 25% of its land or fight. Germany signed & has now had 70 years of peace & prosperity.
The Palestinians had a choice. They could sign a peace treaty giving up 5% of their land or fight. They refused to sign & have had 70 years of war & poverty.
Who made the better choice?
“Its people are the 11th happiest in the world. ”
Israel “goes to 11″ because American politicians send billions to Israel while American children and seniors suffer from malnutrition.
If the US stopped sending money to Israel, Republicans would give that money to the rich as tax reductions.
Actually, giving money to Israel helps Americans because all that money must be spent in the US which puts Americans to work. If the money were given to the rich, there’s no guarantee that it would be spent here in the USA.
“giving money to Israel helps Americans because all that money must be spent in the US which puts Americans to work.”
Yeah, Jews putting ‘Americans to work’ for peanuts while they bribe our government with their greed.
Evidence that defense workers are paid peanuts?
Why would Israel need to bribe our government when most Americans are pro-Israel?
Being that you are a paid troll and advocate for Zionist terror, how is anyone here able to take your bigotry seriously?? Look Bibi Jr, I do realize that Israel has done good things in the world, and developed technologies that are quite impressive, but all of that good is crushed by the sociopathic nature of Zionists, and their quest for total domination by force over the Palestinian people on Palestinian land.
I have many friends in Israel who agree with my assessments and have “refused to serve” in the murderous IDF. The problem with people like you is that you enjoy seeing misery, kids being murdered, and homes that have existed on Palestinian for generations destroyed.
What separates your evil for that of any Aryan serving under Hitler?? or any cold blooded killer serving under Pol Pot??? There is no daylight that separates your sick, and anti-Semitic sect.
Evidence that I am paid?
Evidence that I am an advocate for Zionist terror?
Evidence that I am a bigot?
Israeli soldiers are in the West Bank because Israel was attacked just as Allied soldiers were in Germany after world war 2 because the Allies were attacked.
Evidence that I enjoy seeing misery, kids being murdered, and homes that have existed on Palestinian for generations destroyed?
Evidence that I am evil?
Your posturing, and complete mendacity regarding Palestinian history, and Jewish history are proof that you are a troll. You are here to provide disinformation, false truths, and push the Zionist agenda.
You are a pathological liar as most Zionists are. Israeli soldiers have no legal right or mandate to be in the West Bank. This is Palestinian land, and the Palestinians reserve the right to protect themselves, and their land from IDF terrorists whose sole goal is subjugation, terror, murder, and the destruction of the Palestinians ability to live free of Zionist terror.
When have you once had the balls to be truthful here about the occupation, and all of its destruction??? Never…because in essence you are a terrorist advocate. You support every single criminal agenda being pushed by the Zionist menace. Your racism and bigotry are what define you.
Being that you are a paid troll and advocate for Zionist terror, how is anyone here able to take your bigotry seriously?? Look Bibi Jr, I do realize that Israel has done good things in the world, and developed technologies that are quite impressive, but all of that good is crushed by the sociopathic nature of Zionists, and their quest for total domination by force over the Palestinian people on Palestinian land.
I have many friends in Israel who agree with my assessments and have “refused to serve” in the murderous IDF. The problem with people like you is that you enjoy seeing misery, kids being murdered, and homes that have existed on Palestinian for generations destroyed.
What separates your evil for that of any Aryan serving under Hitler?? or any cold blooded killer serving under Pol Pot??? There is no daylight that separates your sick, and anti-Semitic sect.
“If Israel were an actual [theocratic] state I believe it would have been something completely different….something’ coherent, tolerant, and democratic…not the sociopathic menace that exists today.”
It is what it is because that is the nature of theocracy.
Nurse-educators at Jerusalem’s Herzog Hospital lead video conference classes for health care personnel at a Christian hospital in rural Ghana in topics such as diabetes prevention and treatment. The live-streaming video setup was donated by Rotary International’s Jerusalem chapter and a partner chapter in Windsor, Ontario (Canada). Diabetes has been dramatically increasing in Africa, with four million cases in Ghana and rising.
The Israeli nonprofit Eye from Zion brings Israeli ophthalmologists to volunteer their surgical and training expertise in developing countries including Ethiopia, where 1,000 patients have received free treatment including cataract surgeries in a portable operation room donated by Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer. Patients needing more complex procedures, especially children, are brought to Israel for lifesaving eye surgery.
For the past six years, Prof. Zvi Bentwich of the Center for Emerging Tropical Diseases and AIDS at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev has been working toward ridding Ethiopia of common parasitic infestations that contribute to AIDS, tuberculosis epidemics and other serious health problems particularly in children. Israelis in his NALA Foundation distribute anti-worm tablets and educate hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians on prevention.
Yet in reality Israel is the least pure state in the region. Israel is the most ethnically, racially and religiously diverse state in the ME . Why do you thing the Bahai religion had to move their headquarters from the Islamic Republic of Iran to Israel? Please show evidence that the majority of Israels embrace a terrorist ideology. How does a country that rescued black Jews from Ethiopia resemble the KKK?
Richard Spencer is a partial answer. The Black Lives Matter Movement that thrives in Israel would be another. Black Jews are refusing to serve in the IDF in record numbers due to the racism. No doubt somewhat informed by Israel’s injecting Ethiopian Jewish women with contraceptives without telling them.
You actually did not answer any of my questions. However I noticed you did have the time to link to another post (not to one that had anything to do with refuting what I wrote) but still claim to have no time to back your claim of the Times article being taken from the Journal you say it was.
I think you’ll find, Gil, that other readers feel I answered your last question. As to the other matter, I’ll get to it in my own good time. I gravely doubt anyone but you cares (and possibly your hasbara troll pal), and I’ll wait until peak posting is over, and I’ve watched my movie. You see, Gil, your demands are not my priority. (I gave the journal name in at least one thread in which you were participating, and you could search it yourself in google’s archives, where I told you it is located.)
Bye for now.
“I think you’ll find, Gil, that other readers feel I answered your last question”
I think the only thing I’ll find in that sentence is that you are delusional Mona.
Seriously delusional.
Giving the journal name is proof of nothing except you know the name of a journal. Were you really a lawyer Mona? Is your lack of understanding what evidence is why you no longer practice?
Black Jews from Ethiopia have been terrorized and pushed out of Israel..what are you talking about??? Zionism resembles the KKK in its complete goal for a pure Zionist state, just as the Klan wanted a complete an pure white country. Both are unable to assimilate with other cultures, and races. The majority of Israeli’s in the article above support the occupation, subjugation, and total violent domination of the Palestinian people. 67% support the release of a cold blooded murderer. This is Zionism in its sick glory…
Jace, your post does a great job of illustrating how little the worst critics of Israel actually know about the place. Please provide evidence of Jews from Ethiopia being pushed out of Israel. Please answer my question regarding diversity in the region. Again show me one country in the ME that is more diverse, put up or admit you were wrong.
How can I be wrong when I am right?? You have no facts, and have provided no source material to prove I am wrong.
Here ya go!…http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/07/why-ethiopian-jews-israel-face-discrimination-racism-police-brutality-502697.html I know plenty about Israel, and have friends who live there who share my take on it.
It is a theocracy that is unable to assimilate with other cultures, and people..which is why equality in Israel is despised. Prove that Israel is more culturally diverse than another country in the ME….yeah…you need to get un-lazy and do this…
Where in the article does it say
“Black Jews from Ethiopia have been terrorized and pushed out of Israel.”
You have already been exposed a a bigot. If you say this article backs up your claim you are either a liar or illiterate. Which is it Jace.
Nice satire Gil…but you didn’t bother to lead the article which proves that I am right about you, and your illegitimate sect. Only a racist anti-semite like you would not have any outrage in the obvious violent discrimination taking place against Ethiopian Jews. The main reason being is that these are real Jews, not Zionist poseurs who wear racism on their sleeve like You! Oh those blacks…damn them…lol!!! Right Gil!!
I read the article and what you claimed was there ““Black Jews from Ethiopia have been terrorized and pushed out of Israel.” wasn’t there, you pinhead. All you have proven was your own source proves your claim false. Of course you could cite the article the part of the article that does prove your claim and prove me wrong. Lets see you do it.
The most fascinating thing here is the degree to which national “leaders” are not leaders at all. They can’t even take a stand against a duly prosecuted, properly convicted, murderer…not if it’s unpopular with more than 60% of the voters.
I’m not talking about the politics here, or the merits of the case. The iron facts remain that the court convicted him, just not normally something a politician would take a position on. But for 67% of voters polled, a politician will look you right in the eye and say that blue is green, up is down.
It’s useful to remember that when voting for them, supporting them, trusting them. These are not people you’d leave a child alone with. They’d toss your kid off a cliff if 70% of voters decided your nine-year-old was a Terrorist.
This just goes to show that Israelis are as deceptively propagandized over the “Arab threat” as Americans are over the 911 attacks. Zionism is the evil twin of Capitalism.
How are Israelis are as DECEPTIVELY propagandized over the “Arab threat?”
Well, for one thing, they are not told that any people would react the same way as the Palestinians, as Moshe Dayan long ago observed. Israelis are not schooled in the truth of their history and are taught to see Palestinians as acting only for reason of irrational hatred.
Where is the deception?
How is not saying something propaganda?
Why don’t the Tibetans react the same way as the Palestinians? Tibetans set themselves on fire to protest Chinese annexation. They don’t attack innocent Chinese or innocent foreigners.
Zionists lie, Part 6,793
See this below from hasbara troll, Jack Green. He is lying, and has been told and shown he is lying, and relying on a lie put forward by Zionist liar, Alan Dershowitz. (Who lifted the same wrong quoted material, verbatim, from another source, which led to credible accusations of plagiarism against Dershowitz.) I’ve told him this repeatedly. But he’s shamelessly doing it yet again.
I can prove he’s posting a falsehood. Just ask. Zionists do it all the time. Their whole narrative has been built on an edifice of lies.
The evidence of which the hasbara troll is fully aware. Norman Finkelstein, my emphasis:
So, some Unknown Guy said something, and the British Consul, William Young, merely forwarded it; he neither said it nor vouched for it. Zionists lie often and egregiously, Alan Dershowitz included — perhaps especially.
See the link, where Finkelstein explains the depth and extent of more lies.
Please show us the original.
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What does the USA get for paying Israel more than the entire cost of their Universal Health care program. Nothing. They’re in league with Trump, they disrespected Obama, all Obama did wrong was offer them insufficient obedience.
They killed their own Prime Minister, Rabin, how’s that for un-patriotic. They are against Democracy, they want to tax people without representation just exactly like South Africa. This is apartheid, and they are also in league with the Saudis and Al Qaida, who attacked us on 911.
Former Supreme Commander of NATO and U.S. Secretary of State Gen. Alexander Haig (deceased) described Israel as “the largest US aircraft carrier, which does not require even one US soldier, cannot be sunk, is the most cost-effective and battle-tested, located in a region which is critical to vital US interests. If there would not be an Israel, the US would have to deploy real aircraft carriers, along with tens of thousands of US soldiers, which would cost tens of billions of dollars annually, dragging the US unnecessarily into local, regional and global conflicts.”[6]
Oh, well, then, Alexander Haig said that, huh? Haig is so reputable, and above reproach in his judgments. [rolling eyes] That’s only slightly less hilarious then your asserting this:
Why are you rolling your eyes regarding Alexander Haig United States Army general who served as the United States Secretary of State, White House Chief of Staff, Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, and as Supreme Allied Commander Europe commanding all U.S. and NATO forces in Europe?
Why is “The USA discriminates against white men” hilarious?
Don’t you know that we have affirmative action? Discrimination in favor of African-Americans & women in effect discriminates against white men.
yeah he had a lot of offices. doesn’t mean he was credible.
Israel Lobby owns Western Governments
The Israel Lobby in the UK, (again) exposed: Labour calls for inquiry into Israeli diplomat’s ‘take down MPs’ plot
The same dynamic corrupts the U.S. political system, and has since the Truman Administration. While we’re all freaking out about Russia supposedly interfering in U.S. elections, it would be salutary to consider the pernicious influence of the Israel Lobby.
Vast evidence exists in support of that anonymous UK minster’s claims. For example, this British news program: Dispatches: Inside Britain’s Israel Lobby 2009
It’s well past time for American major media to undertake a similar analysis of the Lobby here.
I love it that on the same board where the regular denizens and their leader Glenn Greenwald have been ranting about how nothing is true without absolute evidence in the case of Russian hacking. An anonymous source is taken as proof when it comes to conspiracies about Israel controlling the UK and US gov’t.
Too funny. It just goes to show that people who lack the ability to think critically will always believe what they a predisposed to believe regardless of the evidence.
Anonymous evidence, standing alone, would not be, and should not be, taken as true. Hence my second post and supporting link.
What do you think, Gil, of what the Guardian reports, which was also this:
Sounds very similar to the calls in our own gov’t calling on investigations into Russians controlling US elections that Glenn terms hysteria and McCarthyism. I wonder what this should be called? hmmm,
Hey don’t forget to provide evidence that the Times article was excerpted from the source you claimed.
I’ve already provided that evidence, many months ago to the hasbara troll — it’s in Google archives of the relevant, defunct London journal, as well as cited in some clipped version of the NYT piece.
You didn’t watch the linked Dispatches show, or else you are being dishonest. Nothing else could explain your likening it to the government’s evidence-free claims about Russia vis-a-vis the U.S. election.
The British Israel Lobby behaves like thugs toward politicians and journalists, it’s an amazing spectacle to behold. They have the money and clout to command obedience of their extreme demands, and have often gotten it. Do see the program.
Provide the evidence to me. I’m the one you are claiming was dishonest for not reporting it yet my source which I clearly documented shows no such thing.
I watch the program if you provide the evidence you say you have. It’s funny how you have no trouble linking to the same propaganda over and over on every single thread but when actually asked to provide something that proves your claim you suddenly can’t provide a link.
Gil, I’m not gonna do it right now– ask me again later tonite. But you know I do not make claims I cannot support (as opposed to making immaterial errors about a source every now and then, as all humans do), and if I say I’ve supplied it before, then I have. Right now I refuse to be distracted from the issues I wish to continue to post about in this thread.
I don’t care if you don’t watch the program. It would not do you any good since you are an indoctrinated Zionist incapable of receiving and then digesting truth that is contrary to your preferred narrative.
Moreover, I note with great amusement your silence about the hasbara troll’s documented lie. A lie he knows is a lie. A lie taken from liar Alan Dershowitz, who lifted it off another, as he did so much else. In due course, I’ll get to Dershowitz on Orwell, Joan Peters and “turnspeak.”
Isn’t it great the many opportunities the hasbara troll gives me to document truth that puts Israel, Zionism and Zionists in a horrible light? Why do you suppose they continue to let him do that? [shrug]
“But you know I do not make claims I cannot support”
Not only do I know you do but I have proved it. What you are now terming a mistake was the basis of a premise you were promoting that European Jews always discriminated against even in the 1800’s Sephardic Jews.
I will be happy to allow you to divert the subject to Dershowitz when you have proven your claim.
As for Jack being paid to post you have no more evidence for that than you did for your current claim about the source of the article. Your the one that even when presented with facts refuses to modify their beliefs not me.
Sorry, that’s incoherent and I do not know what you are talking about. I do know I demonstrated that Christian and Muslim employment discrimination was a tertiary cause of Sephardic immiseration in 19th century Jerusalem. Ashkenazi refusal to work, and Sephardim refusal to share charitable funds with them, were the first two.
Gil, I don’t need you to “allow” me to post as I please. LOL What is that, some patriarchal thing?
As for the hasbara troll, yeah, that’s what he is Gil and everyone knows it. Including you.
(You got a “LOL” out of me Gil, something I so seldom do, but I really did.)
No where in the article does it say the Ashkenazi refused to work. Again you are lying.
You didn’t demonstrate anything except your inability to disseminate information honestly. Now go read the article again and see if you are still laughing.
What do you mean by ” some clipped version of the NYT piece?”
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I think JG is a bit sensitive in some areas ” some clipped version “….or maybe it’s proof it is a chatbot that chose the wrong entry from its machine learning script.
Clipped/clip art/San Diego Clippers/ circumcision
The most coward country in the history of world. If they want to fight face to face then fight with a man who is also fighting you.
WHY the fuck shoot at somebody who is lying helpless on the ground. WHY???
Its true God Of Abraham, Jacob is cursing Israel now just as He continued to curse them since MOSES took them from Egypt.
Israel you are dead for sure. what you think your are. Nothing. All Muslim countries are planning day and night to destroy you.
You will get what you deserve.
The annoying pest: The hasbara troll*
Jack Green is a hasbara troll, but there are and have been quite a few others of them infesting this site.
At any reasonably prominent online venue, there are always a number of accounts who make it their mission to post vacuous, misleading and disruptive Zionist bullshit. Often, they are following talking points issued by both formal and informal “hasbara” projects. (Hasbara means “explaining” in Hebrew; in practice it means “propaganda.”)
Max Blumenthal has described these annoying creatures and their programs thus:
Israel and Zionist organizations publish “hasbara manuals,” many of which are available online.
Hasbara trolls have also been assigned to comments sections, such as at the Guardian. They are likely here as well — Jack Green almost certainly is one.
*(I thought I’d just reposted this, as I do every few months, but it must have been snagged by the tech problems the site’s been having.)
Should the world be surprised that the Israel public by majority sanctions cold blooded murder against the Palestinians??? Most if not all have trampled upon the Palestinians, killed them for sport, destroyed their homes with not even a slap on the wrist since they all have served in the “outlaw” killing machine called the IDF.
There is no real rule of law in Israel. If there were, there would be no illegal occupation, detained indefinitely Palestinian men, woman, and children for no other reason except being Palestinian. There are no human rights to speak of in Israel, and the whole democracy charade is a complete sham.
When will the Palestinians get justice for the decades of Zionist terror, mass murder, and destruction of THEIR land???its coming…in due time Israel will pay dearly for its sheer lack of any moral compass and complete embrace of won ton criminality.
When will the Israelis get justice?
Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries.
The British consul, William Young, writing in the 1840’s (before Zionism) said that the Jews of Jerusalem were living in fear for their lives. He attributed the plight of the Jews to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace…”
JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
New York Times December 29, 1878
Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.
Notice the date. This was before the first Zionists arrived. Notice the word “bigotry.”
Jews lived for in Hebron & Gaza for centuries until Palestinians shouting “The Jews are our dogs!” & “Islam was spread by the sword.” ethnically cleansed those areas of their Jews in 1929.
“…The riots took the form, in the most part, of attacks by Arabs on Jews…”
“…110 Arabs were killed and 232 were injured, the vast majority by the British police while trying to suppress the riots…”
& now Palestinians oppress Israelis.
Stabbing Israelis is oppression. Running over Israelis is oppression. Blowing up Israelis in buses is oppression. Launching rockets & mortars at Israelis is oppression. Blowing up pizza restaurants & night clubs & hotels is oppression.
The hasbara troll has recycled that bit about Jews in Jerusalem some dozen times now. What he always omits is that the entire piece is about Sephardic Jews oppressing and immisserating hyper-religious Ashkenazi Jews, whose religious views cause most of the latter to refuse most jobs. The Sephardim have charitable funds they do not share with these other Jews. The Muslims and Christians are, at best, a tertiary cause of their poverty. (No one doubts that historically members of all three Abrahamic faiths have manifested bigotry and hostility toward the other two.)
The hasbara troll is entirely aware of why Palestinians — after Zionists had long been using terror against them — resorted to their own terrorism. (Just as some in the ANC and IRA did against their respective oppressors.)
The hasbara troll has seen, over and over, documentation of extensive Zionist terrror, without which Israel would not have been founded. Upon good faith request from another I shall document it, yet again. In the meantime, see my comments in this thread, beginning with the one captioned: Israel was founded by Jewish terrorists, who used children.
Evidence that the Christians & Muslims were living in fear of the Jews during the nineteenth century?
Palestinians were attacking Jews in the 1920’s. Evidence of terrorist attacks by Zionists against Palestinians long before the 1920’s?
You still have not proved that Israel could not have been founded without using terror. Examples of terrorism don’t prove that Israel could not have been founded without using terror.
Wait, is this the same article that reports that Sephardic Jews were given more rights than Ashkenazi Jews by the Turkish gov’t. And that Jews had to pay a special Jew tax by that gov’t. And that Jews were not allowed to work because of the bigotry of the Muslims and Christians ? Yes or No?
This is the same article you failed to note — and claimed I was lying — was merely excerpted in an old NYT, but did not originate there. Sure, Muslim governments historically discriminated against Christians and Jews. And Christian governments discriminated against the other two. Now we see that Jewish governments outdo them, with a vengeance.
Zionist Jews became the thing they hate — except when they don’t, because antisemites partner with them in support of the Jewish State. Antisemites and Zionists have long understood one another perfectly.
First of all what difference does it make where it existed. Secondly prove that it originated in the journal you claimed it did.
I proved that to the hasbara troll months ago, and am not doing it again right now. I’m busy showing the manifest lie of the hasbara troll. He knows it’s a lie, and that Alan Dershowitz lied when he wrote it — and lifted it wholesale from another source, who was wrong. As he lifted so much else, including her identical errors. Because it isn’t Dershowitz’s work.
Th troll knows all this, becasue I’ve repeatedly told him, and shown it. Why do you suppose he keeps doing posting shit? How can his superiors, or even he, actually think his performance assists the Zionist cause?
I haven’t seen you prove anything. And I’m the one you accused of leaving out a fact.
As I proved you are an unreliable reporter when it comes to this case, and not above misstating the facts. Funny how you have the time to regurgitate falsehoods but no time to back up a claim you say is a fact.
That never happens wittingly, and did not happen here, as you are well aware. I conflated Sephardim with Ashkenazi, and nothing more; the truth of what I said remains, the parties simply are in reverse.
Truly entertaining you would make a claim implying dishonesty on my part, given what your hasbara pal often does, including this. And including the fact that you will not concede CAMERA’s duplicity on the Wikipedia matter. Gil, I’ve never seen you out-and-out lie, but you are as fundamentally dishonest as Zionists usually are.
I mean, look at the hasbara troll just above, still claiming to believe I have not shown overwhelming evidence that Israel would not exist but for Zionist terror. That’s dishonesty he will continue to endlessly repeat, as he does all his (mostly baseless) claims. It’s what he does. It’s what many, if not most, Zionists do. As they “must.”
If the Israeli’s want justice they can remove the Zionist menace from Palestinian land. FYI, the turmoil between Muslims, Arabs, and Jews began when Zionists began infiltrating Palestine for the one goal of occupying and removing the indigenous population for THEIR lands. You sir are an enemy of Judaism, and what it stands for. All of your laughable hasbara is just fabricated terror speak. One can not expect someone with such a poisoned, and mendacious vernacular as yours to know that history is your true enemy. You are a lapdog for Zionist terror and mass murder. Nice satire Sir Goebbles….
Palestinians had been oppressing Jews before any Zionists arrived in Palestine.
The British consul, William Young, writing in the 1840’s (before Zionism) said that the Jews of Jerusalem were living in fear for their lives. He attributed the plight of the Jews to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace…”
JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
New York Times December 29, 1878
Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.
Notice the date. This was before the first Zionists arrived. Notice the word “bigotry.”
This is a lie, resting on another Zionist’s lie.
Jack, you are the queen of Hasbara. No sources for your deluded racism, and no shred of any historical or religious ties that would connect Judaism to Zionism. There was no Zionism prior to Herzl. Furthermore Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace until the influx of Zionists came in the late 30’s. Israel has no historical rights to Palestine or any of the surrounding lands. You are not even a Jew…just a cheap suit spreading lies and embracing Zionist terror speak.
If there’s something specific that I said, just ask me for my source.
Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries.
The British consul, William Young, writing in the 1840’s (before Zionism) said that the Jews of Jerusalem were living in fear for their lives. He attributed the plight of the Jews to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace…”
JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
New York Times December 29, 1878
Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.
Notice the date. This was before the first Zionists arrived. Notice the word “bigotry.”
Even Shakespeare wrote of Jewish greed and exceptionalism.
Remember the Money Changers from a couple thousand years ago? Yeah, the Jewish religion is centered on criminal activity like usury and ponzi. The state that is self-proclaimed to be Jewish extorts money from every single American.
What’s new?
I stopped reading when a terrorist became a suspect
Zionism is inherently racist
Jews are increasingly rejecting Zionism, including many American Jews. The political Zionism on which Israel is founded was always racist and proto-fascist; this was recognized by many Jews in 1948 (I’ve often extensively shown Albert Einstein’s vehement denunciations of political Zionism). That recognition is growing rapidly.
As Mondoweiss just reported, this happened: Hell just froze over: the New York Times runs an article saying Zionism is racist . The op-ed is by The New School’s Omri Boehm, and as Mondoweiss declares:
Indeed, Zionist Israel could not so delight Richard Spencer if it were not racist. Spencer agrees with Netanyahu that all Jews should live there — as an enforced majority, if not exclusively.
Aside from the reality that a 1-state — apartheid state– has long existed, a 1-state has always been the only equitable solution. One in which all are equal before the law, regardless of ethnicity or religion. Nothing else can end Israel’s existing as a state founded on “principles” that excite American white supremacists.
Apartheid South Africa fell, and did so faster than anyone expected. Apartheid Israel will fall as well — led significantly by Jews.
And Israelis wonder why they get so many accusations of racism.
There’s racism in many countries, but Israel gets the most accusations.
Yeah, well your judgment is severely impaired — by Zionism, among other things. You just spewed:
Let us all reflect on that.
Are you denying the we have affirmative action?
Again, let’s just let that sit there. Jack Green, the hasbara troll, tells us:
Dusgusting. He is now the modern Israeli hero, “the child of all of us” as many Israelis refer to him. Azaria is a criminal. But above him are even bigger criminals. Azaria was merely unlucky because he was caught executing a Palestinian on video.
Abed al-Fattah Yusri al-Sharif did not attack Israeli soldiers, he raised his hands and he was shot in his stomach by soldiers. And he lay on the ground. It was clear that Elor Azraya, the Israeli soldier who killed al-Sharif, did so with the consent of an officer.
Let’s be clear: this is not the first summary execution of a Palestinian by an IDF soldier nor will it be the last. It was just coincidentally captured on film, and consequently caused an uproar that led to an unavoidable trial. Elor Azaria is not a rotten apple and Israelis are indeed correct in calling him “the child of all of us”. He is a mirror unto mainstream Israel.
This case will further solidify the complete dehumanization of Palestinians and pave the way for further ethnic cleansing and genocide in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
The root of it all is hatred of Arabs. Azaria is virtually a national hero for one reason only: He killed an Arab and the lines between Arabs and terrorists are blurred in Israel. Disgusting.
further genocide?
Yes, I once questioned the use of the term “genocide,” but when the Black Lives Matter Movement declared that to be what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, I discovered that the UN definition supports it.
A century (at least) of Zionist terror, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and myriad other injustices and atrocities, seem to fit the definition.
The USA discriminates against white men. Is the USA practicing genocide?
Evidence that Israel has a deliberate policy to impose conditions of life on the Palestinians to bring about the group’s total or partial destruction?
Zionist terror was for self-defense & was in reaction to Palestinian terror.
Ethnic cleansing is not genocide.
Apartheid is not genocide.
Injustice is not genocide.
Um, go talk to your hasbara supervisors. THIS is not a good tactic:
Jack, the main problem with all of your fabricated bs, is that Zionism has no historical ties to Judaism, no ties via the Bible, Torah, or Talmud, plus this sociopathic ideology was founded by Atheists who sought to use Judaism as a tool to attain land.
Zionism is the inherent opposite of Judaism, and it is sheer heresy that war criminals like Bibi use the word Jew in the first place.
Israel was founded by Zionist terror gangs of which all of the initial leaders wear a part of…The Stern Gang, Lehi, and Irgun. These terror gangs were not affiliated with Jews, but Zionists. Zionism is the new KKK, and resembles the Afrikaners whom Zionists gladly supported during SA apartheid. You sir need a deep reality check.
The first Zionists arrived in 1882. The terrorists gangs didn’t arise until around 50 years later. They arose for self-defense from Palestinian terrorists.
Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.
This is false. The hasbara troll knows it is false. He’s been shown it myriad times. He lies/deceives/misleads constantly.
Ashkenazi (European) Jews have long imposed a racist caste system on their fellow Jews, especially in Israel — Zionism was an explicitly a European, colonial project. I was challenged on this in an older Israel thread, and bring the topic here where the discussion has moved.
The Jewish Forward:
Hundreds of books and articles have been written about — or touching upon — Ashkenazi racism, both against other Jews, as well as Arabs and Africans. It’s a virtually inexhaustible topic.
Another discussion launched byt that same racist commercial:
Do go read the whole thing. Zionism was and is an entirely European, racist, colonial project.
Zionism is not racist. Just as the fact that some Americans are racist doesn’t mean that democracy is racist so the fact that some Zionists are racist doesn’t mean that Zionism is racist.
Zionism is inherently racist, founded on ethno-religious, Jewish supremacy, and explicitly modeled on the fascist nationalism popular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. You’ve seen this documented innumerable times.
Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews. There’s nothing about Jewish supremacy in Zionism.
I was with you until the end, when I hit all this:
Zionism is entirely about Jewish supremacy. You’ve seen copious documentation of many notable Zionists saying they embrace the same fascist nationalism that, e.g., Nazis did. Some of them explicitly identifying with the Nazis.
Zionist Jews decided to do to the Palestinians what was being done to them. As sympathetic as the reasons driving some Zionists were, there is no moral justification for becoming the thing they hate — an oppressor. But that’s what they did and do.
Google “Zionism definition.” None of the definitions say that Jews are better than gentiles. None of them say that Jews should oppress anyone.
Does the fact that some Americans do bad things mean that democracy is evil or racist?
I started plugging in “Zionism racism,” and Google automatically offered me the option of “Zionism definition racism.” Tons of results.
Correction: I typed in “Zionism definition” and Google offered “Zionism definition racism.”
Justice in the Apartheid State: Israeli Police Shoot Palestinian Teen, Then Arrest Him After His Father Files Complaint, my emphasis:
Ahmed lost sight in his one eye. How long will the Israeli outlet, Haaretz, be allowed, in relative safety, to report these stories?
As the article above points out, Jews of decent morality have good cause to fear violence, including assassination, from other Jews. Many have fled from Israel, and of these, a great number live in Berlin. Among them, Israeli filmmaker, Dror Dayan.
Dayan has made new documentary: Even Though My Land is Burning:
Anti-Zionist Jews, especially hose like Dayan who highlight the atrocities of Zionism, are not safe in Israel. They were not safe in Mandate Palestine, either, where Zionists marshaled their children to blow up Arabs. Parents and teachers who objected were often simply assassinated — by other Jews.
Mr J. Green is a deluded and unhappy person…none of his argument are convincing…fact is Israel is the most disliked country in the world which reflects on the israeli jews, weather they like it or not …
He’s not deluded — Jack Green is an indoctrinated Zionist working as a hasbara troll, a formal role whether undertaken by those paid or by volunteers. The State of Israel and other Zionist entities send them out all over online.
The great problem hasbara trolls have is increasingly, as seen in comments here, they encounter well-informed individuals who easily dispatch their propaganda, and show the Zionist troll to be full of lies, halftruths and misdirection. Which, of course, only sets the Zionist cause back even further.
Why is Israel the most disliked country in the world?
I guess the most recent reason that comes to mind would be the 60% approval rating of street executions. Conducted in the manner of just another day in the office by a medic who has taken a Hippocratic oath. Absolutely abominable. You have no standing in the civilised world. I’m sure you throw the term self-hating Jew around quite a bit, are there any self-hating Zionists?
Israelis are insane, much like their American counterparts.
In what way?
How much is Mossad paying their trolls to attack?
I think it’s safe to say that Jack has received a lot of Green for his disgusting efforts here.
Palestinians (just like Israelis) are human beings that deserve to be treated as such. Instead, what people like Netanyahu really want is to kill all Palestinians. The only good one is a dead one?
How do you know that Netanyahu wants to kill all Palestinians?
Why are you not answering this question?
I’m waiting for your link about 1914. I’ve never heard of Palestinians being killed by Jewish terrorists in 1914.
I know that Jewish terrorism began in the 1930’s for self-defense against Palestinian terrorism of the 1920’s
No, you’re not waiting for the link, becasue I’ve posted it some 5 or 6 times now, once in another thread. Click the link in the words “a German, Jewish physician in that year called it.”
So, what’s your answer?
I don’t see a link in the words “a German, Jewish physician in that year called it.” I tried clicking on each word.
The hasbara troll translated: “I’ve been instructed that in response to all claims about Zionist terrorism to reply that Palestinians started it in the 1920s, and if necessary to link to Wikipedia. I don’t know what to do in light of this new Thomas Suarez book that documents how much earlier and egregiously Zionist terror began — they haven’t told me yet.”
You made the claim so it’s up to you to provide the evidence.
Dr. Paul Nathan, by the way, was a prominent and well-respected man. His 1914 report about Zionists executing a virtual pogrom on Palestinian Arabs caught the attention of the New York Times early in that year, which said that Jews in New York said Nathan was “exaggerating.” The NYT index does not say, however, they denied all Zionist terror.
Thank you for the info.
There was a really heated dispute between Jews as to whether the language used at the new Technical Institute should be German or Hebrew.
No one was killed. No one was hurt. There was no violence. Arabs were not involved.
What does that non sequitur have to do with anything under discussion?
You claimed that Zionist terrorism began in 1914.
I checked the New York Times articles you mentioned & I told you what I found.
You did not (and cannot) answer my question, which is:
Everyone should observe the troll continue to tap dance. (And claim some link that’s not offered to all, or even a relevant quote.) This is a great example of the hasbara troll, especially when confronted with greatly damning evidence that’s too new to be dealt with yet in their instructions.
The Zionists did NOT commit terrorism against Palestinians in 1914.
Dr. Paul Nathan, and Thomas Suarez, say they did. As between a hasbara troll like you on the one hand, and Nathan and Suarez on the other, I’ll go with the latter.
Evidence that either one says that any Arabs were killed in 1914?
Evidence that either one says that any Arabs were injured in 1914?
What does either one claim that Jews did to Arabs in 1914?
I’ve ordered the book and you can be sure I’ll be reporting more extensively here. For now, I’ll simply quote from Thomas Suarez’ recent speech to the British House of Lords:
Did you read the articles you referred me to in the New York Times about
Dr. Paul Nathan?
Thanks for the link. A very interesting transcript (now bookmarked).
All the best
How do you know that Netanyahu wants to kill all Palestinians? Question.
Because he learnt from Hitler a man who wanted to kill all the Jews. Answer.
Like father like son.
Hitler admired the Arabs.
Israel wants to be respected as a world power? Start by obeying intl. law. Instead, if I dare to criticize them with facts (ex. Israel is a apartheid state), instantly the AIPAC and Israeli Govt. trolls attack and scream YOU’RE A GODDAMN FUCKING ANTI SEMITE!!! This is why the rest of the world despises Israel.
De Klerk [Former South African president who ended apartheid]: ‘Odious’ to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa
DeKlerk was a racist who ended apartheid only because he had to, just as Israel will have to. You well know, and have many times seen, that Israel is an apartheid state per international law.
Whether DeKlerk was a racist who ended apartheid only because he had to or not, he certainly knew was apartheid was & he said that Israel is not apartheid.
Uh-huh. Israel was his friend, supporting apartheid South Africa and even offering to sell it nuclear weapons. DeKlerk is a racist, and the African National Congress says Israel is an apartheid state. They know apartheid, too. As does international law, the definition and analysis of which you’ve repeatedly been given.
International law does NOT say that Israel is apartheid.
Israel’s founding a ‘crime against humanity,’ says South Africa’s ANC
Jewish state was established ‘on basis of apartheid’
so no matter what Israel does, ANC will say that Israel is apartheid.
Given that you somehow think refusing to let people live in their homes, with their families, because of their race, isn’t racial discrimination, and excluding them from being present on certain streets, and towns, because of them being the ‘wrong’ race isn’t segregation, that you’d also consider DeKlerk’s opinion as more compelling than Tutu’s isn’t surprising.
Desmond Tutu said: “Whether Jews like it or not, they are a peculiar people. They can’t ever hope to be judged by the same standards which are used for other people.”
That means that we should not accept as Gospel anything Desmond Tutu says if it concerns the Jews because he’s biased.
You’ve been smacked around about that before. Tutu was speaking in solidarity to a group of Jews in that speech from the 1980s. Tutu and the African National Congress both hold that Israel is an apartheid state.
And yes, Israel is guilty of apartheid per international law. Denying it doesn’t make the law and analysis go away.
And before you tell us again about Mr. Pogrund, please be advised that DeKlerk has also never lived in Israel, yet you approvingly cite that racist man.
Funny that… because that seems to be exactly how many Zionist Jews see themselves…
That *is how many Zionist Jews see and saw themselves. They explicitly adopted the antisemites’ view of Jews to promote Zionism. For example, the Second Father of Zionism (Herzl was the First), Vladimir Jabotinsky, said this: “The Jewish people are a very nasty people. Its neighbors hate it and they’re right.”
That’s so odious a statement that a person would likely be banned from this site if offering it as their own. But Jabotinsky, like many Zionists, regarded antisemites as the Zionists’ best friends. To the great disgust of, e.g., American Jews who long opposed Zionism.
Tribal savagery. If the rolls were reversed and it was Hamas who executed a unarmed wounded IDF soldier in the same manner, there would have been another military incursion. God’s chosen people delusion is alive and thriving in Israel. Too bad it took the US this long to say what they did. Israel can be a democracy or the Jewish State but it’s blantantly obvious there can’t be both. It’s the incessant brutality Zionists inflict on the Palestinians that beyond Appalling.
Is the incessant brutality Palestinians inflict on the Israelis also beyond Appalling?
Was the incessant brutality that Bantus inflicted on Afrikaaners as appalling to you as the deliberate, systemic brutality in the other direction
So Israel killed over 240 Palestinians in the last year. Why is this the only one being prosecuted?
Because this one was caught on tape.
https://youtu.be/PuSixl7l0mg?t=2m47s
What a fucking disgusting country.
Israel is a wonderful country that set up field hospitals in Haiti & Nepal to help those hurt by the earthquakes & to help those in the Philippines who were injured by the typhoon. Israeli advances in science, medicine & agriculture have helped billions of people all over the world.
In 2011, a team of Israeli neonatologists went to Kumasi, Ghana’s second-largest city, to train local doctors and nurses in advanced, low-cost methods to address the city’s high infant mortality rate. The doctors, sent by the Alliance for Global Good in cooperation with MASHAV, also established two new neonatal units in Kumasi’s sole hospital.
Why do you persist in ignoring this question?
I can’t answer about 1914 because I don’t know anything about 1914. Please provide a link.
You haven’t been told what to say about 1914, because those facts are only recently being widely documented. You’ve seen the link many times now, in two threads. The hasbara instructions simply have not yet been updated to instruct you on how to handle it.
What better illustration that zionism is racism could be had?
A lot of Americans think Snowden and Manning should be pardoned.
With Trump, do the neocons still rule?
Off-topic but important. Here’s the latest from our “intelligence agencies” wrt “Russian interference” in the election:
Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution, et seq. at same URL.
They keep outdoing themselves girls and boys. This is the most content-free, openly propagandistic, laughable-but-scary piece of crap they’ve turned out on this subject, to date.
Apparently, they are committed to rashly pushing confrontation with Russia and declaring war on this country’s president-elect at the same time. Scary may well “trump” laughable in this case.
Shiver me timbers!
Great post! nice find.
Pages and pages of accusations and characterisations without facts of actual events. And then suddenly “RT DID IT”.
Has wallstreet wmd media has lost their marbles!?
But guess what!
THANK INTEL AGENCIES FOR YOUR THORO MEDIA BUYERS GUIDE!!
gotta love it!
Yeah, the RT tie-in is special. Obviously part of the recently-launched War on Fake News.
Now, off to see what RT has to say about this. Of course, I’ll report myself to the FBI for visiting a Russian website.
The annoying pest: The hasbara troll*
Jack Green is a hasbara troll, but there are and have been quite a few others of them infesting this site.
At any reasonably prominent online venue, there are always a number of accounts who make it their mission to post vacuous, misleading and disruptive Zionist bullshit. Often, they are following talking points issued by both formal and informal “hasbara” projects. (Hasbara means “explaining” in Hebrew; in practice it means “propaganda.”)
Max Blumenthal has described these annoying creatures and their programs thus:
Israel and Zionist organizations publish “hasbara manuals,” many of which are available online.
Hasbara trolls have also been assigned to comments sections, such as at the Guardian. They are likely here as well — Jack Green almost certainly is one.
*(Usually I link to this comment, which I’ve posted before. But every few months I repost it — when new readers have accumulated and Jack or another hasbara troll indicates that I should.)
The Activist Hub has a great deal of information on hasbara programs and polices. The whole site is worth a look-see, but this is especially interesting: Israel student union sets up “war room” to sell Gaza massacre on Facebook
There was no Gaza massacre.
In the entire history of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza the Israeli death toll is less than 45 while in just a few weeks in 2014 the Israelis murdered more than 500 Palestinian children in Gaza.
It’s genocide.
Uh-huh. I plugged “Gaza massacre” into google images, and this was the result.
(On rare occasion a picture turns out to be fake or retouched. The vast majority are not.)
Entire neighborhoods, utilities, newsrooms and medical centers reduced to rubble and over 500 children slaughtered; over 2,000 people total killed. Thousands more Gazans maimed and left amputees.
massacre – an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people.
Men of fighting age were overrepresented among the dead.
The pictures and horror speak for themselves. Most of the dead were civilians; the UN says 7 in 10. And the dead soldiers were fighting defensively as Israel cannot be, becasue it is the oppressor, the thief and the aggressor. (Would you like to see the Moshe Dayan quote on that again?)
Hamas GHM says that there were 2,310 dead. Subtract 551 children leaves 1,760. If the Israelis were indiscriminate (which is part of the definition of massacre,) there would be an equal number of men & women so if you divide 1,760 by 2 you would get 880 men & 880 women. But the actual number of women killed was 299 so it was certainly not a massacre.
Ima gonna just let that sit there, let people observe your mathematical silliness and attempted semantic ploy in response to the horror Israel imposed on Gazans. All decent people will be disgusted. Bad, bad hasbara-ist.
What mathematical silliness?
What semantic ploy?
so because they only randomly and indiscriminately slaughtered 551 children and 299 women it wasn’t a massacre. uh huh.
The opposite.
massacre – an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people.
If it were a massacre (indiscriminate,) then there would be approximately equal numbers of dead men & dead women.
But the numbers were not equal. There were 299 women & 1,460 men.
Again, I see no evidence that Israel would not exist but for their terrorism.
You seem rather eager to state your views, but not your definition of Apartheid.
As I said, my definition of Apartheid is a regime that denies citizenship and residency rights to a large part of its legal population so that a minority ethnic group within that population can proclaim themselves the majority of the state, and the state a democracy.
Does this mostly match yours, or is yours tied up with the ‘petty apartheid’ practices of the South African regime (the race classification appeal board, for instance) that could not exist without the ‘grand apartheid’ of my definition?
It’s not for us to make up definitions. Definitions are what people mean when they use the word. Dictionaries don’t just make up definitions. They listen to what people are saying & what people are writing to distill the meaning.
When I looked up “apartheid,” all the definitions mentioned racial segregation. That includes “petty apartheid.”
Oh, I have to compliment whoever came up with that for you, even while reviling him for his service to an Apartheid regime.
Now, to get around the verbal deflection, do you deny that the Israeli regime is an Apartheid state as defined in the international law designating Apartheid a crime against humanity?
Take your time, consult the writing team at headquarters, I’m sure that they’ll have a workaround worthy of Trump, aimed at those of the same intellectual capacity as that ‘No socialized medicine, but hands off Medicare’ lady.
The troll is fully aware that Israel is an apartheid regime per international law. Numerous times he’s seen me cite this.
The definition includes: “…for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons…”
Israel’s purpose is not establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons. Israel’s purpose is self-defense.
Israel maintains domination of Jews over indigenous Arabs. It does this by, among other things, laws and policies that ensure a Jewish super-majority. The whole analysis, moreover, should be taken as a whole.
Israel doesn’t need laws or policies because Jews are a super-majority.
Is the USA apartheid because we have laws like ID cards for voting which are designed to help white people maintain a super-majority over black people?
Thank you.
Yes.
Here you go. Please do especially click footnotes 30 & 31, and take note of the Begin/Shamir Wanted Poster.
(You’ve seen this material from me before, but you are a hasbara troll — asking the same things dozens of times in as many threads, and spewing the verbatim tripe, is what hasbara trolls do.)
Neither of these proves that there would be no Israel without terrorism. Terrorism may have sped up the process, but colonialism was in decline. From 1945 until 1960 three dozen new states in Asia and Africa achieved autonomy. Why wouldn’t Israel have become independent, too?
You either didn’t read all of that material, or you are lying. As well as spewing non sequiturs about “colonialism in decline.”
Through terrorism, Israel ethnically cleansed and stole all the land on which it sits, and from which it maintains an apartheid state. It could not exist but for that terror.
Neither the the UN nor any of its member states owned any of the land and so could not morally give any away. But even on the terms of that body’s 1947 plan, Zionist terror was heinous:
The United Nations did NOT give away any land. It simply drew a border. On one side of the border, the people were mostly Jews. That side became Israel. On the other side of the border, the people were mostly non-Jews.
No private property was handed over.
Palestinians started a war against the Jews in 1947. Wars create refugees.
If Palestinians had not been murdering innocent Jews, no one would have been killed or displaced.
You still haven’t proved that without terrorism there would be no Israel.
That’s right, it didn’t. It had none to give. Zionists stole it via a heinous and ongoing terror campaign.
Click the highlighted words of mine above, “Here ya go.” And do see footnotes 30 & 31. I can’t make you read but I’ve more than met my burden.
I read them. Please present a quote that you think proves that without terrorism there would be no Israel.
You did not read them. Nope, you didn’t. Or you did, but you are lying about what you read. I’m content to let others follow the links and footnotes for themselves to see that this is so.
thou shalt not steal
thou shalt not kill
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
jaaaaaaaaaaack –
the devil guy owns your soul
you’ve fallen down and you can’t get up.
It’s not land theft. It’s a land dispute. The settlers believe they are exercising their right of return. They are just taking back their own land that was stolen from them during the Arab conquest of the Middle East in the seventh century. The settlers believe that the Jews have a deed to the land. In determining ownership, the law says use the oldest document. There’s a Torah that’s over a thousand years old. You don’t have to believe in God, but this ancient document lists the names of the owners of the land (the 12 sons of Jacob [aka Israel]) & the boundaries of the land. In other words, it’s a deed to the land naming the children of Israel as the owners. If you dig in Palestine, you will find ancient synagogues & Jewish ritual baths & Jewish coins. Settlers see this as further proof that it’s their land.
Palestinians say that it’s Palestinian land because Palestinians have lived there for centuries.
Should this be a reasonable proposition – a dubious one, to my mind – those “settlers” are generally far more removed from the lineage of ancient denizens than today’s Palestinians. It doesn’t matter how you approach the question, there is no valid claim to the land by contemporary Israel.
The settlers have no doubt about their lineage. They truly believe that they are taking back their land.
That’s straight of a hasbara manual, literally. (I can quote if you like.) You’ve seen the copious documentation from myriad Zionists admitting it was colonialism and taking land by force, that is, ethnic cleansing.
Tell us Jack, do you have Hasbara Team supervisors you report to or anyone that sees your work? I’m genuinely curious whether they know that the primary result of your spouting and spewing is me and others posting vast amounts of truth about Zionists and Israel that makes them look like moral monsters they were and are.
I have no team. I have no supervisor. No one pays me. I’ve never seen a hasbara manual.
I’m just disgusted by the bigotry against Israel & I know that in the past false accusations have been followed by pogroms & genocide.
There was a riot in Palestine in 1920 in which both Jews and Arabs attacked each other; the British undertook an official inquiry, which resulted in the Palin Report.
Zionist Jews were making it clear they were taking over Palestine and were not respecting the promise the WWI Allied powers had made to the indigenous Arabs — that they would have right to self-determination, and that the land was theirs.
After dozens of findings of fact, this is part of the Palin Report’s conclusions.
By 1920, ever-increasing numbers of European Jews had been fucking over the indigenous Arab population for many years, including through terrorism, as I’ve documented. It was about to get much, much worse.
Why did Jews attack Arabs?
[email protected]@[email protected] troll Jack Green
See my comment here.
(Sorry for double post. Thought maybe I got caught in a filter again.)
See also my comment here.
And my third comment here.
here’s a tidbit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
I see nothing in your comment that proves that Israel would not exist but for their terrorism.
Why did Zionists commit terrorism against Palestinians from at least 1914, so severe and appalling that a German, Jewish physician in that year called it: “a campaign of terror modelled almost on Russian pogrom models”?
Please note, I’m not asking who started what first, which is being discussed below. I wish to see how you defend, if you do, this egregious, long-standing Zionist terrorism.
Link?
Answer?
Hasbara troll Jack Green
See my comment here.
our society/culture would look awful to any alien lifeform, we have allowed our future to be in the hands of murderous lying corrupt politicians who are naively labeled “leaders”. we seem to have no positive goals/aspirations. nothing to reverse climate change, no shutting down of the stupid nuclear industry, no constraint or arrests of thieving banksters, nothing but devotion to the lying newsmedia and the 1% megathieves. no “new deal”/new alternative energy push. it wont be long and the window of opportunity to stop climate change will be closed. the businessman rules, the rest stupidly allow it.
That is mainly because of the “escape clause” which reads, When you die your life is over and you may go to heaven or hell so let your mess be the next guy’s problem – they need a job anyway.
I tell you the truth. LIFE RECYCLES. You shall return. I guarantee it. The mess or bless you leave you will come back to in life. What do you want to come back to?
The evidence for one’s return is in the bible AND in physics. I guarantee it.
I notice the knife attacker is being described as a “terrorist” online. I understand he attacked a soldier of an occupying army. You can stretch the definition of terrorism to include him and simultaneously exclude standard state violence, but it’s clearly an artificial distinction.
The occupation is the result of the Palestinian attack against Israel.
If you aren’t even going to bother to make your claims marginally rational, why bother to type them?
Which claims?
A well-argued point. Touché.
I’m curious how a people without a state, or an individual Palestinian, can “attack Israel”?
One human being can attack another, and someone nominally who identifies as a “Palestinian” can attack and “Israeli”, but I’m pretty sure one Palestinian individual attacking an Israeli individual (particularly a soldier in an occupied parcel of land) isn’t representative of all stateless Palestinians, or is it an “attack on Israel”. It most certainly would likely be a crime, but it should be treated as such, not the basis for a policy of apartheid against all Palestinians.
But apparently Zionists and their supporters, like you, don’t like the idea the “Palestinians” are individuals, or even human beings entitled to basic human rights–that’s why I’m supportive of BDSing anything and everything that has to do with the state of Israel, and Zionists who aren’t advocating for a fundamental change in Israel’s policies vis a vis the Palestinians.
I personally think right-wing Israelis are the biggest bullies and cowards on the planet, afraid of a stateless people who fight them with rocks, bottles and knives while Israel rains down the most high-tech destructive devices every devised by man, on all huge numbers of Palestinians every time a drop of Israeli blood is spilled. If there are actions more cowardly than that I don’t know what they are.
What exactly is the “worth ratio” in your mind of an Israeli citizen vis a vis a Palestinian? 10 to 1? because that’s a low estimate of the ratio of Palestinian deaths caused by Israelis by comparison to Israeli deaths caused by Palestinians, and that’s been the case since the inception of Israel.
When that’s how you see the world, it’s no wonder most everyone on the planet (except the equally bloodthirsty and willing to kill others American people) see Israel as no longer having the moral high ground in this debate.
You treat the flyspeck of relative violence that the Palestinian people commit against citizens of Israel, by bombing all Palestinian’s lives to rubble about every half a decade. I think bully and coward describes right-wing Israel and right-wing Israelis quite accurately.
ansa da fono
In 1948, West Bank Palestinians asked for & were granted union with Jordan. In 1967, Palestinians, as part of the Jordanian army, attacked Israel.
get the facts
offence is not defence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
Because boycotts always hurt innocent people (More than 575,000 Iraqi children died from sanctions,) they should not be used unless the matter is very important like life & death.
Don’t single out a particular country when other countries are doing the same thing otherwise you lose moral authority.
There should be just one demand & everyone should agree to stop as soon as the goal is met otherwise the target will not change if it is not confident that the sanctions will stop.
It is especially wrong to hurt innocents when there’s little chance of success. Omar Barghouti, the founder of BDS, won’t end BDS until Israel agrees to take in all Palestinian refugees. Israel would never agree to stop being a Jewish state so there’s zero possibility of success.
BDS is the same thing done to end apartheid in Israel. It didn’t kill South Africans, and it isn’t going to kill Israelis, either.
I want a SodaStream, badly. I’m not going to buy a SodaStream. I have every reason to believe that no one will die as a result.
Further, Israel can end BDS at any point by stopping the apartheid. (It doesn’t matter that you absurdly deny the apartheid; what matters is that Israel can end the vile polices that many others, including the African National Congress, call Israeli apartheid.)
Sanctions killed 575,000 Iraqi children. How do you know that it won’t kill Israeli children?
What you’ve achieved so far with BDS is that hundreds of SodaStream’s Palestinian employees lost their jobs.
How can Israel stop committing apartheid when it’s not committing apartheid?
Omar Barghouti, the founder of BDS, won’t end BDS until Israel agrees to take in all Palestinian refugees. In other words, BDS won’t end until there is no longer a Jewish state. You are helping him achieve his goal. Is that your goal, too?
Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.
Well, not exactly. BDS is a Palestinian-led and -founded movement. If those Palestinians are willing to see some Palestinians lose jobs, it is their call to make. Moreover, the boycott caused SodaStream to leave its factory in the West Bank. They admit that even if it is true they were planning to move, they did it sooner because of BDS.
I’m not further discussing why BDS isn’t going to kill Israelis; we’ve been through that dozens of times before. It didn’t kill South Africans and neither will it kill Israelis. (And could be stopped at any point in the extremely unlikely event it looked like it would lead to many deaths.)
The evidence is overwhelming that BDS is causing economic pain to Israel (but killing no one). It is succeeding.
Why weren’t sanctions against Iraq stopped before 575,000 Iraqi children died?
Unlike South Africa, Israel is not self-sufficient in food.
Do you buy Chines products despite China’s illegal occupation of Tibet & the millions of settlers China has transferred into Tibet?
Do you buy Turkish products despite Turkey’s illegal occupation of Cyprus & the Turkish settlers in Cyprus?
Do you buy Moroccan products despite Morocco’s illegal occupation of Western Sahara?
So if a Palestinian tries to kill an Israeli with a rock, the Israeli is only allowed to defend himself with a rock?
Usually you are annoying, but occasionally, as now, you entertain.
Why, of course not, Jack. When that rotten Palestinian kid throws a rock at heavily armed and armored IDF troops, he should definitely be execute in a hail of automatic weapons fire and, then, for good measure, his parents’ crappy little hovel should be blown up.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me and, of course, all right-thinking people.
What if the Palestinian throws a rock at an Israeli who is not heavily armored & who doesn’t have a tank. Does the Israeli have to defend himself with a rock or can he use a gun?
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stop yer jack’n off, it made you blind, you wanna go deaf too?
Jack Green really is one of the biggest arsehole Zionists to frequent this site.
Why Israel remember me Apartheid South Africa all the time? It is a funny feeling, every time I read news about Israel Apartheid South Africa strikes my mind instantly, like magic.
If you keep hearing words together, even if they are unrelated, your brain will link them. Israel is not apartheid, but if you keep hearing the word “Israel” together with the word “apartheid,” you will automatically link them.
Well, that just isn’t true at all. The brain does not blindly create or strengthen neural pathways based on any input at all, even with repetition. Were the mind to function that way, we’d all be dysfunctional blobs of insanity. Nor is it able to throw away context in processing language.
The brain does blindly create or strengthen neural pathways based on juxtaposition of words presented together. That doesn’t mean that the brain doesn’t use other info when it makes a decision.
So you’re now reiterating my exact point and contradicting your own..?
Thanks for the advice. I’ll try to make certain that as many people as I can influence hear the words “Israel” and “apartheid” in close proximity, as often as possible.
Because, while Israel may not be apartheid, it definitely practices apartheid — and everyone needs to know it.
It may not be apartheid, but that is only because apartheid was a unique abomination suited to a unique historical context. It certainly has many parallels, from using labels to define ‘people of value’ vs. ‘people of no value’ (race in SA, religion in Israel) to applying the law completely differently to different groups. It even has a lovely ‘tiers of worth’ system like good ol’ SA, where the occupied Pals are the blacks, the Arab Israelis the ‘coloreds’ , and Israeli jews the whites. And most importantly, it assigns the value of lives based on bogus, unfair labels- race in SA, religion in Israel. I still am baffled how a supposedly democratic state literally defines rights based on f-ing RELIGION (ps folks, it’s a freaking fantasy- worshiping Jupiter or Ahura Mazda makes no more or less sense). And the overwhelming support for this constantly smiling murderous turd shows how deeply depraved Israeli society is. They look like a bunch of religious fanatics to anyone with an honest heart and a brain. Fortunately, most of the world already gets this, and more and more of American society gets it, too. Seeing the blind, frothing hate that spewed forth when the US had the temerity to not veto the UN resolution will help. We look at 39bn to prop up this ugly, repressive psuedo-theocracy and wonder how many suffering Americans could be helped with that money. They have taken a sharp right turn and are traveling the road to full pariah status, without the slightest sign that they understand that they are wandering off into an ugly, hateful wilderness where they will have NO friends (except, evidently, some very corrupt Arab autocrats).
If what you claim about word repetition is indeed true, please recite “Jack Green is an empathetic human” until that actually happens.
Report back when you feel you’ve accomplished the task at hand. We’ll decide by your comments going forward if the lesson needs repeating.
Jack, let’s see if we’re talking about the same thing when we say ‘Apartheid’.
I mean a regime that refuses citizenship and residency rights to a large segment of its legal population so that a minority ethnicity within that population can style themselves the majority of a state, and claim that state as a democracy?
Are you, perhaps, conflating ‘petty apartheid’ (the things like the racial classification appeal board) with the thing that allowed petty apartheid to exist?
Seriously, why do you even think that at this point? The Israeli government doesn’t want a 2 state solution and no one sees it as viable anymore. Israelis routinely refer to the West Bank as Israeli territory. For all practical purposes, the West Bank is a part of Israel, where — undeniably — there are 2 classes of people under the law.
Most Israelis want a 2-state solution.
The ‘citizens’ of the ‘White state’ in South Africa also wanted a 2 state solution. But the problem for your Israelis is that such a ‘solution’ violates recognized international law, relies on extinguishing recognized individual rights on a group basis.
But given your refusal to say what you think Apartheid is, but your eagerness to declare that Israel isn’t that, why should anyone take you any more seriously than the Republican supporter who declared ‘We don’t want socialized medicine, but hands off our medicare’ (which, of course, is socialized medicine)
that is call associative and has NOTHING to do with contextual reality – it’s simply a blip that would require actual events to be labeled as a truth.
here is an example;
king david hotel > zionist terrorists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
have a nice day
Really?
When this murder happened I wrote a comment to TIC piece (below) related to it that among others described moral decay of Israeli society (and Palestinian society as well) psychologically under siege of their own political extremists, warmongers, blasphemers of holocaust whose political careers are tied to the war and its power to intimidate and terrorize their own Israeli society for American money.
Here it is still relevant:
What is more outrageous than this strait forward murder on tape of a wounded man (not an enemy anymore) are some dreadful comments I have read here.
The small remaining group of holocaust survivors, in their nineties, are appalled by this murderous behavior of Israeli military because is it exactly what they witnessed from NAZIs in WWII. Every Jew was considered a threat to national security of Germany back then adult or child, man or a woman, old or young, healthy or wounded. And some really wanted to kill German soldiers.
Jews walking on the street (not on a sidewalk, since it was punishable by death or beating) in their cities own they grew up, often were shot while trying to take their hats off (as required by law) while passing a German civilians or military “misunderstood” as a attempt of an assault, by a bandit or terrorist as they precisely called it in their reports and in the media, and it was a language form Germans used as they testified to the police.
None of that was truth, as so many of those alleged knife attacks by Palestinians are; many of them are pure fabrications and provocations.
In fact those few attacks on German military SS or administration that were perpetrated by Jewish resistance were effective in their objectives but they always resulted in copycat propaganda and deaths of hundreds of innocent Jews baselessly accused of attacks inspired by medial hysteria “Jews are out there to kill us”;
A Jew that happened to be shot and not instantly killed was lying on the street sometimes for hours while police and military investigated and interviewed German witnesses. German children were poking still alive man or woman with sticks, spit on them, or shout profanities, investigating officers were stealing from pocked of the victim, and if suspected of carrying a bomb they blew him up with a grenade.
For adults rushing on the street going about their business, reading their newspapers about another terrorist attack in Germany, dying on a pavement human being was invisible. After that, if still alive, a Jew was shot in the head and collected by a garbage truck.
This was what Jewish holocaust survivors eye witnessed or heard from eyewitnesses and now they are being threatened, punished and social services denied or cut to keep them silent about Palestinian holocaust in their last months or years of witnessing collapsing of humanity of too many Jews, exactly what they eye witnessed 70 years ago in Europe.
Now, many of them are protesting the new holocaust of Palestinians confined to ghettos of Gaza and West Bank like Jews in Warsaw ghetto, an entity, a fully dependent statelet (like Gaza), recognized by only Hitler as a Jewish independent state, designed to be in a state of permanent starvation, crisis, economic depression and slow death. And when Jews raised up for one thing and one thing alone namely their human dignity in 1943 with knifes, clubs, hunting rifles they met with this same abhorrent response as I am reading here, namely just do not try to kill Germans and you gonna be fine.
The leader of Jewish ghetto uprising M. Edelman under pressure from communist authorities in eastern block to emigrate after 1967 ME war, refused to resettle to Israel exactly because he condemned Israeli state for how it treated Palestinians and for their wars and provocations in ME.
He chose to stay under communist regime rather them become Israeli citizen. This powerful message never reached any Jew in Israel or US where he was blacklisted and threaten by MOSSAD with death if he wouldn’t shut up.
Suffering from nightmarish Stockholm syndrome, Israel recreated a NAZI state in the Holy land. The same type of amalgamates of modern enlightened Fascism and Theocracy that almost exterminated Jews in Europe, with its rational dehumanization of a segment of the population (now Palestinians, then it were Jews “rationally” and even “scientifically” dehumanized). The plans of extermination of Jews was called “instilling European values and culture” in those savages that can’t be reason with and will always continue their conniving, devilish ways, I am paraphrasing NAZI political platform. Just change Jews to Palestinians and European to Israeli and here is, updated current Israeli political platform of all political parties.
I myself do not support HAMAS or ABBAS or any current leader of Palestinians, they all should resign as traitors of the nation and mainstream secular Palestinians should take charge since this old Palestinian corrupted clique are much more contributing to the problem then to any kind of peaceful solution and only fueling extremism on both sides but what Israel, that hardly can be called a Jewish state, and its dehumanized robots i.e. conscripted soldiers are doing is nothing less than abhorrent, directly from NAZI playbook.
The Israeli government and all political elites are tainted by war disease and all Israeli oligarchs are making profits of death and destruction and hence should be removed from power an imprisoned for war crimes against Palestinians and economic crimes and pauperization and exploitation of Israeli citizen pushed into perpetual war and existential dependence on US imperial power, if we want to have any hope for political solution and preserving lasting peace.
What we are witnessing is deterioration of basic human morality, social order and steady economic collapse throughout globalized world and the same we can say about corporate governments or observe in the media everywhere, in India, China, Europe or in the US, seemingly local, specific entrenched in history conflicts are nothing but representations of the same pains of US imperial globalization as generations before witnessed when it was British, Spanish or Roman globalization of imperial powers with deadly consequences of denying sanctity of human life everywhere. Underlying all the Imperial political strive is a question of humanity, nothing else.
Bloody well said.
And netanyahoo can’t understand why Americans are disgusted with his regime. Go figure. When 70% of the population is happy with what this POS did and feels he was justified, then they are beyond redemption. Not even 70% of Americans feel that cops are justified in executing people who are handcuffed or otherwise immobilized.
eichmann wanted a pardon rom hitler.
had one while hitler was alive.
the murdering soldier is gonna want one from netanyahu
http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/12/29/503922/Israel-attorney-general-Avichai-Mandelblit-criminal-investigation-Netanyahu-financial-dealings
no problem?
Absolutely – Zionists have always murdered dissidents in their midst. Indeed, they have been committing terror since the onset of Zionism; in Mandate Palestine they targeted politically “wrong” Jews — those who didn’t want to discriminate against their Arab neighbors and steal their land — for assassination more so than any other group.
They used threats and intimation to stop parents and teachers from opposing the indoctrination of Jewish children to kill; Zionists used children to, e.g., blow up buses full of Arabs (in one case, a 12-year-old girl was sent to commit this atrocity).
Zionists have absolutely no moral standing to object to terror; Israel would not exist but for their terrorism, then and now.
Leftist Jews in Israel frequently hire heavy security — many have left to, of all places, Berlin. They simply are not safe in “The Jewish State.”
(I can and will document my fact claims upon request.)
document the girl in a bus thing
Thanks for emphasizing these historical facts; Yesterday’s article at Mondoweiss.net is an excellent summarization of Zionist misbehavior.
Correction: the article posted on January 1.
Palestinians were terrorizing Jews before Zionism.
The first Zionists arrived in Palestine in 1882. Evidence of terrorism in 1882?
Evidence that Israel would not exist but for their terrorism, then and now?
well let us see who is terrorizing whom, shall we not?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack,
last name “Offen”?
Before I clicked on the link, I bet my life that Mackey would gratuitously mention Trump. Yes, I’m still alive!
The Israeli far-right fascists — which is now most of them — loves Donald Trump, and it’s entirely mutual.