Donald Trump, the serial liar who will be sworn in as President of the United States next week, lied once again on Monday, rejecting the actress Meryl Streep’s condemnation of him for impersonating a reporter’s physical disability on the campaign trail last year by insisting that he had done no such thing.
“For the 100th time,” Trump wrote on Twitter, “I never ‘mocked’ a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him… ‘groveling’ when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad.”
Trump’s Twitter spats and false claims are by now so routine that it can seem pointless to even report them, but this one is worth unpacking, because it reveals a cascade of lies leading back to a false claim that helped him win: the fantasy that Arab-Americans in New Jersey had openly celebrated the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center as it took place.
Trump has indeed insisted dozens of times since November, 2015, that his public mimicry of the reporter, Serge Kovaleski, a veteran New York newspaperman who has arthrogryposis, a congenital condition that limits his ability to move his joints, was not an impersonation of his physical disability.
The fact that Trump introduced his impression of Kovaleski by saying, “the poor guy, you got to see this guy,” and then held his right arm in the very position — raised, with the wrist locked so that his hand pointed down — the reporter’s colleagues are familiar with, convinced many people who know him that the then-candidate had, consciously or not, improvised a physical impersonation of the man.
Reality: Trump perfectly imitated a reporter's disability in mocking it. He lied abt not knowing the reporter & still lies abt what he did.
— Clyde Haberman (@ClydeHaberman) January 9, 2017
Trump’s subsequent claims that he had no idea what Kovaleski looked like were unconvincing, given that the reporter had previously spent enough time with the businessman for one of the New York tabloids he pays so much attention to, the Daily News, that they were on a first-name basis.
Serge Kovaleski, left, a veteran New York newspaperman who has arthrogryposis, a congenital condition that limits his ability to move his joints, in 2010.
Photo by Neilson Barnard/Getty Images
What made Streep’s criticism of Trump’s mimicry in her speech at the Golden Globes on Sunday night so effective was that she evaluated it as a performance — one that, she said, “stunned me; it sank its hooks in my heart, not because it was good, there was nothing good about it, but it was effective and it did its job: it made its intended audience laugh, and show their teeth.”
The portion of that Meryl Streep speech that stunned and silenced the Golden Globes. pic.twitter.com/QIcQfTqDqB
— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) January 9, 2017
While Trump continues to deny that his imitation of Kovaleski that day, as part of an insult-comic style attack on his credibility, included any intentional mimicry of the reporter’s disability, it is possible that the physical impersonation was unconscious.
To be charitable, Trump could be engaging in what Dan Kahan, a psychologist at Yale University, calls “identity-protective cognition.” That is, as Maria Konnikova explained in The New Yorker, a description of how people tend to “process information in a way that protects their idea of themselves. Incongruous information is discarded, and supporting information is eagerly retained. Our memory actually ends up skewed: we are better able to process and recall the facts that we are motivated to process and recall, while conveniently forgetting those that we would prefer weren’t true.”
What’s important for us to recall, however, is that, apart from the offensiveness of his impersonation, Trump was at the time also lying to his audience about Kovaleski’s reporting.
The reporter’s work, and persona, only made its way into Trump’s stump speech in late 2015 because the candidate was attempting to argue that an article Kovaleski wrote in 2001 backed his false claim to have watched live television images on Sept. 11, 2001, of “thousands and thousands” of Arabs in New Jersey “cheering” as “the World Trade Center came tumbling down.”
In what was, briefly, a central concern of the Republican primary campaign, Trump refused to retract that false claim, continuing to insist that he had seen such scenes that day even after it became apparent that there was simply no footage, for the good reason that televised mass celebrations had not taken place.
Trump, desperate for any scrap of evidence that might keep him from being branded an outright liar, then began to cling to a sentence in a story Kovaleski wrote one week after the attacks for the Washington Post. In that article, Kovaleski had referred to the fact that a few people were arrested for allegedly celebrating the attacks (although none were subsequently charged and there was no video).
Via @washingtonpost 9/18/01. I want an apology! Many people have tweeted that I am right! https://t.co/CpsMxs54qv pic.twitter.com/wrDEhXJlvR
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 23, 2015
(As it happens, five men of Middle Eastern appearance who were arrested in New Jersey that day for “puzzling behavior,” mistakenly interpreted as joy, were later released without charge; they were Israelis, not Arabs.)
Kovaleski, however, undermined Trump’s spin by telling the Post’s Fact-Checker, Glenn Kessler, that, although his memory of the story was not perfect, “I certainly do not remember anyone saying that thousands or even hundreds of people were celebrating.”
Trump, thus exposed, then invented his wild mischaracterization of the reporter’s comments as “groveling” in which Kovaleski had supposedly “changed” what he had written in 2001, as part of an intentional effort “to make me look bad.”
That, to this day, is how Trump attempts to explain what led him to offer a mocking impersonation of a reporter whose only crime was to deny that his careful reporting of the facts in any way supported an ugly fantasy about the supposed disloyalty of Arab-Americans plucked from the internet by the next president of the United States.
Top Photo: Donald Trump onstage at the Republican National Convention on July 18, 2016 in Cleveland.
Once again, the “lie” was that “thousands and thousands celebrated” when it was more accurate to say “many celebrated”, which is beyond dispute.
So I guess it’s also a “lie” to assert that Ed Snowden released “millions of documents”, when it was actually “several hundred thousand”?
Dissembling and parsing to an absurd degree is not an “argument”.
“(As it happens, five men of Middle Eastern appearance who were arrested in New Jersey that day for “puzzling behavior,” mistakenly interpreted as joy, were later released without charge; they were Israelis, not Arabs.)”
The real story here is that a group of Israeli intelligence agents knew 9/11 was going to happen, photographed it, celebrated it and were quietly released and deported on the aegis of Michael Chertoff, who is a dual citizen of Israel. And here we are almost 16 years later still pretending that a bunch of guys with boxcutters were able to undermine out entire air defense system and cause steel reinforced concrete buildings to implode in a perfect speed-of-gravity free fall.
Perhaps The Intercept would care to look into that?
Because it’s not false. We all saw it on the various news stations. Revisionist history doesn’t work anymore.
That’s Correct. I vividly remember watching Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. There were huge celebrations in Middle Eastern countries with thousands of people attending. Muslims in the United States celebrated also.
What can one expect from a Corporitist Fascist
The same man who won the election villifying the Arabs and Islam, while there may be “legitimate” examples to do so, used the story of what turns out to be their principal torturers, the Israelis and that too only 5, and turns it into thousands celebrating on rooftops.
This man will be the new arbitor of the middle East peace process. No the embassy will move to Jerusalem and the west bank will be officially part of Israel. Another genocide will take place in Gaza and internment camps for the disloyal Muslims in the US.
This is one implied promise that will be kept to distract from all the other broken promises and Mr. Trump will create a dynasty. Welcome to the 3rd world America.
Muslims and Arabs do not need any help when it comes to vilification. Where is it that Muslims are living in peace with their non-Muslim neighbors? Where is the Islamic country that offers freedom and honors human rights?
Seems to be a lot of Trump supporters reading “The Intercept”. I hope they actually learn something.
However, this article is too charitable to Trump. It is quite possible that Trump was subconsciously mocking the journalist, and that Trump’s memory was excluding negative aspects of what Trump did when he called out the reporter during one of his rallies.
But that being said, wouldn’t ANYONE with a heart or at least some sense of decency go back and look at the tape and SEE how at least it appeared that he was mocking the disabled reporter, and then APOLOGIZE? Why would ANYONE want to be known as someone who mocked a disabled person and not APOLOGIZE for it, even if that wasn’t what was intended?
It’s not just that Trump mocked the disabled reporter; rather, it was Trump’s continued bad behavior after the fact. That makes Donald J. Trump appear to be a truly horrible, heartless guy.
But he’s a Christian. Mr trump was just imitating his groveling.
one example of The hypocrisy of being a Christian and voting for trump. One of probably a hundred.
Here we go again, yet more anti-Trump pro-establishment propaganda from The Intercept. It reminds me of the anti-Brexit stuff you published.
It’s about time The Intercept ceased bowing to the wishes of its owner [The PayPAL boss] and returned to the excellent journalism it WAS renowned for
To me it is even more interesting to know when Trump believes and when he does not believe what he says (twits are excluded because they are artificial constructs). I think that one can deduce that from his language structure. When the structure of a sentence is the way you and I make it he probably believes what he says. When the sentence structure gets screwy and multiply repetitive he does not believe what he says. Nevertheless, in both cases he may or may not produce a false statement.
Trump has won in part because he is an excellent orator. Twits are not orations. Their effect will be puny compared to his campaign speeches. It would be interesting to know what percentage of the people who attended his campaign meetings read his tweets. I also expect that Trump will go back to making more speeches when he believes that his administration is running smoothly and does not need him 24/7.
Got to call it for Trump. The video evidence shows that he uses that same gesture to mock many people. It simply isn’t true that he was copying the reporter’s disability. It’s bad journalism to not try to get both sides of the story before rushing to print and that’s what has led you to this error.
Trump seems more right than his critics on the Middle Eastern men caught laughing and clapping over 9-11 towers coming down too. Presumably he just got some details wrong (1) Israeli spies and not Muslims — well I suppose they could have been Muslims too but it seems unlikely (2) only five guys, not hundreds or thousands. But he got other details right like the place they were arrested, what they were doing and what their ethnicity was. His critics denied that anyone had been caught laughing and clapping which is flat out false. How does anyone serious not recall that story? I recognized it immediately I heard of Trump’s mangled and exaggerated claim.
Not a Trump supporter, but he used the same mocking gesture many times during speeches to reference someone floundering…including himself.
The media keeps taking Trump literally when he is speaking in elliptical terms. He’s just talking. It’s not a policy paper. He is trying to express an idea and an emotion not a detailed analysis. He’ll leave that to others.
“He’ll leave that to others”. That is exactly the scary issue before the nation if you are correct. If a President is totally incapable of a detailed analysis he must always rely on the detailed analysis by “others” to act. The detailed analyses of “others” are never identical. So what is President Trump to do? Toss a coin?
Any thoughts Rob? Why/How can you be so convinced you know what he was doing? Initially the WashPo denied there was any story of people celebrating on a roof, then it was revealed there were and they tried to change to point to there not being many people which is not what the original claim was about that his story was made up… when it was proved there waist fact a story behind Trumps claims and that it was even in the WashPothey start nit picking and therefore it would seem logical his imitation was of someone backtracking rather than of an invalid… and many if not all of these accusations towards Trump seem to be based on presumption into what they ‘think’ he is going to do which when compared to what Hillary and Obama have ACTUALLY done seems very very unfair, closed minded and biased. Hillary and Obama took part in destroying whole countries not a debate on insulting an invalid… for christ sake where is the perspective????
https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/
M.Streep is hardly a neutral observer….having received the US medal of Freedom from president Obama in 2014. Her comments about ‘ football and martial arts ‘ watching Americans stands right up there next to Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ statement.
“What has changed in the USA in the last 90 days? Three “icons” have been de-sanctified. The public is now realizing that the secret intelligence community, the mainstream media, and our politicians are deeply flawed and cannot be trusted in their present form to serve the public with integrity. This is the opportunity of a lifetime.
Whether Donald Trump will rise to the challenge – or take the $20B bribe from the Rothchilds – remains to be seen. At this time he has my prayers and the benefit of the doubt.”
Robert David Steele is a former spy who has faked intelligence, lied to government leaders, and managed a false flag operation (no one died).
The problem with “serial” liars is that they are very often invested in the mis-truths they choose to convey. For example, in citing trumps evolving characterization of the dancing Israelis, Mr. Mackey chooses to cite a Haaretz article that was dated 9/17/2001. Yet there are a plethora of websites the provide a retrospective perspective that detail circumstances which are far less benign and resolute than the Haaretz article attempted to suggest. For instance:
1. Various Eyewitnesses described the dancing men as Mideastern, Arab, and Palestinian in their call to the police
2. Many major news outlets – including the NT Times – reported that the “dancing” men were demonstrably “happy” while dancing
3. Three separate incidents of men who were dancing in celebration of the attacks were reported to the police, not one.
4. NYPD initially believed that they were searching for Arab men as a result of the reports that they received from self-described eyewitnesses
5. At least two white vans were reported to have been stopped – and their passengers detained – in two separate locations
6. The facts pertaining to the filming incident, wherein five Israelis were ultimately detained in a van owned by Urban Moving Systems, revealed that the men were already in position and filming prior to the onset of the first attack on the WTC. Upon being apprehended, it was learned that all of the Israelis were in the country illegally.
7. According to a former CIA chief of operations for counterterrorism Vince Cannistraro, there was speculation that Urban Moving Systems may have been a front for an intelligence operation investigating fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
8. The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers’ vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24)
9. Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.”
AGAIN, IN CASE YOU DID NOT GET THAT LAST (9) PART MR MACKEY: The dancing Israelis’ stated that they came to New York with the specific intention of filming the 911 WTC attacks.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
Right at the top of the page your source shows an uncited quote from “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu”. Amusingly forgetting the fact that the PM at the time was Ariel Sharon.
It’s not looking too good so far.
It is common practice to refer to former heads of state with the title they held while in office. I suppose that the caption could have used the word “former” for clarity sake – in a manner consistent with the source of that quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/day-terror-israelis-spilled-blood-seen-bond-that-draws-2-nations-closer.html
In the future, I suggest that you simply Google the quote in question before choosing to falsely reflect on its perceived lack of merit.
Nope. The quote is partial, taken out of context, attributed in a misleading fashion, and edited to include the writer’s interpretation.
It therefore lacks merit.
Thanks for the laughs, though. Your little conspiracy theorist takes begging the question to a whole new level.
Here is a direct comparison of the two cites to which you claim to take exception:
Originally, your two concerns were:
1. Lack of proper attribution
2. Misappropriation of title
Both of these concerns were proven wrong. So, in Mona-esque fashion, you are now attempting to hide your failing criticisms of a legitimately cited quote behind a curtain of equally false bullshit. The very fact that you were unable to find specific fault with a single listed point speaks volumes to your respect for my own integrity however. – Thanks
Love the towell-snapping done to karl!
Naah! They were disgruntled maintenance workers in the employ of Larry Silverstein primarily based at WT7.
They participated in a job action that succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They used the ruse of being Israeli art students enthralled by the view of the Manhattan skyline from the Jersey docks!
And here is a clip of John Stewart on the Daily Show, and Bill Maher, and of course SNL(and any other so-called liberal pundit ever) mocking everybody, anywhere, who pointed out the great hypocrisy, greed, rape hysteria, anti-penis-ness and identity politics, while doing nothing to build jobs, or destroy prisons, or even help the homeless that caused the Democratic Party to implode inward like a controlled demolition:
[EVERY CLIP EVER from a Hollywood pundit]
You got the government you deserve.
Nice glossing over of some information, which may or may not be extremely important. You wrote “mistakenly interpreted as joy”, which, by eye witness accounts is incorrect. Which is why they were taken into custody, especially since in their words they look white, not Arab. And it was just over 70 days until their release, to which they failed many polygraphs. Oh, they were not just Israeli, they were confirmed to be in Mossad. All you had to do was simply read the partially unclassified FBI report (will not be totally unclassified for another 15 years or so). Now, whether this is important or not, time will tell. I would assume your responsibility is to present all possible information, and not just half-ass report aspects of a story that you base on memory or assumption.
*mistakenly interpreted as joy* Thanks. That jumped out at me too. Mackey should fix that.
Deleted Guardian comment on Meryl Streep vs. Donald Trump:
Allowed Guardian comment on Donald Trump vs. Meryl Streep
That’s the problem, lack of a consistent approach, partisanship, etc. Can’t play favorites if you want any credibility.
Ever heard of the scientific method? Try posting your first comment without the link, son.
Streep’s character could have been based in part on Clinton, but there were others as well, like Teresa Heinz Kerry (the character was a widow of a former Senator). Still, there were more similarities- like her character criticizing a “liberal” African-American senator, and her close ties to a corrupt multinational company.
I quibble, but it is no crime for a reporter to speak the truth (“a reporter whose only crime was to deny that his careful reporting of the facts in any way supported an ugly fantasy about the supposed disloyalty of Arab-Americans …”). In fact it is unconstitutional to criminalize journalistic integrity. Trump will find himself very quickly facing articles of impeachment if he continues down this dark road.
They get that, it’s a rhetorical device meant to juxtapose an overblown, offensive reaction and the non-offensive inciting incident. Just a quick Google of the phrase shows examples of its use going back to the 1850s, its not exactly an obscure turn of phrase.
I have seen Trump waving his hands numerous times during several speechs when referring to people. This handicapped guy is not the first or last. I see it as an entertaining style of speech. Snowflakes get offended too easily.
As for Muslims celebrating the twin towers falling, I recall seeing a video of Palestinians celebrating in the streets in the Gaza Strip after 9-11.
Can you honestly watch the video and not see the wrist turned over and the obvious change in trumps appearance to try to match almost perfectly the picture from the story of the reporter in question? Cmon man, have a little humility and admit your president poked fun at a handicapped individual. Doesn’t mean that he’s the worst person ever, just one of em…
I used to think he mocked the guy’s disability too, but no, he didn’t. Look at the comparisons here and make up your own mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aYFC_7ZIn4
Let’s make one thing perfectly clear – the 911 report was a big fat lie.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy
my bet is Building 7 was the communications planning and co-ordination center. Not all of it, but 1 floor of it. It was brought down to make sure all evidence was removed. Nothing else makes sense. If this is the case, then the US gov had a hand in the WTC attack to spark a war. Hard to imagine but given WMD, wallstreet thieves, guantanamo, etc etc, we may have a government that has gone rogue.
“Nothing else makes sense.” Only to a moron. Yes it’s much easier to wire a build for for controlled demolition then to remove a few computers and file cabinets.
Now tell me again how the Zionists killed Jesus. Too funny.
The report was a charade. The exact details have been obfuscated. Nearly all the WTC building were destroyed one way or another.
WTC building #6 is interesting as well.
I try not to obsess over these things nowadays.
http://www.groundzeromedia.org/2011/09/06/wtc-building-6-case-the-puzzling-evidence/
Thank you Robert Mackey for reporting on the repellent Trump, holding his appendages to the facts, and showing him for what he is….
and for shaming the whatabboutery buffoons that hurl monkey feces at those who call out the threat that Trump and his coterie represent.
@RMD –
Yes. He and his skullduggery should be exposed – good on Mackey!
I was excited when Glenn Greenwald started The Intercept because I was fed up with agenda-driven news outlets trying to forcefeed me their partisan talking points instead of just reporting the facts. Yet here I am, reading a fake news story that Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter FOR HIS DISABILITY. If Robert Mackey had spent all of 10 seconds googleing, or 20 seconds reading the comments on Trump’s twitter feed, he would have found that Trump has mocked other people the same way going back at least 10 years. So the question is, did Robert Mackey know this and choose not to report it, or did he fail to even bother looking because his agenda or preconceptions clouded what should have been his journalistic integrity?
Hey Robert Mackey, I found this in less than 10 seconds using that super-secret investigative tool I mentioned earlier, google:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aYFC_7ZIn4
You’re welcome. Of course, I’d be a fool to expect to see a retraction, or at the very least, update to the story – much less a tweet acknowledging such. Bravo, Glenn Greenwald, for creating what you tried to escape. Bravo. At least Glenn Greenwald wants to see proof that Russia wanted Trump as president. Robert Mackey couldn’t even be bothered to spend – literally – 10 seconds doing research for a story that probably took an hour to write. Again, Bravo!
Trump is the bad man because he’s not a globalist and because he’s trying to preserve America for jobs. (Obama deliberately chased employers away because his leftist globalist bosses want to deindustrialize the U.S. in order to further weaken a liberty haven.)
By contrast, watch Elizabeth Warren’s supporters mock gays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THz8RlkrQPQ
and here: rJIUxBMXyQQ
@Communete –
Get Real! Look at his cabinet picks. Do you really think he’s out to help ordinary Americans? I read that big deal to save jobs (out in Ohio, I think it was…) that he took so much credit for a) wasn’t as big as he said, and b) the Union leader said he really shouldn’t be taking the credit.
Liberty Haven? Under him? He is hostile to a free press, has said protesters should be beaten up, and he likes torture? GET REAL!
Oh yes, and what planet will you be moving to when this one becomes uninhabitable due to global warming?
Try waking up and opening your eyes!
When invoking the sacred “9/11″ , Mr. Mackey himself is throwing stones inside his own glass house, as the pot calls kettle black..
This means what, exactly?
Trump’s lies about what he saw on 9/11 are “trumped” by the 9/11 myth
This “lie” is not a good example. There are numerous other examples where he simply makes things up but in this one it’s probable that Trump, like Brian Williams and Hillary Clinton, experienced false memory recall, a malfunction known by brain researchers wherein the recollection of a traumatic event changes over time, especially with repeated recalls. I suspect that Trump saw a brief video on TV news of some Palestinians cheering in Israel. I remember seeing it and was shocked by it but I don’t think my memory of it has changed.
Mr. Mackey … we get it – you loathe Donald Trump. But if you’re going to mention 9/11 and “Lies” in the same paragraph try being a credit to your journalistic trade and mention the 9/11 lie where Dick Cheney and his neocon cabal orchestrated the biggest lie in modern history.
http://www.ae911truth.org
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/10/face-of-the-monstrous-lie-of-911-is-dick-cheney
http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911insidejob.html
Cut the partisan politics bullshit and bring closure to the 9/11 fraud. All else is stroking your fellow snowflakes.
I think it’s a very bad sign for the country when reporters cite psychology professors to explain the behavior of the President Elect.
But of course the die-hard Franz Liebkinds populating The Intercept comments section will dispute this. They will claim this only proves that the press is biased against their beloved Tweetmeister.
Is there a significant difference between horror and bias?
Mackey is nothing more than a shitty leftist troll. He’s the kind of clown that goes on 4chan and pretends to be black to piss off all the little teenyboppers there. If he were a gifted writer, his skill in angering right-wing goofballs might even be endearing. But the fact that his writing is so obviously substandard with the rest of the content on TI just makes you wonder how the hell he even has a job here.
You do sound very angry.
“A shitty leftist troll…”
I can’t wait until this whole Trump fiasco snaps back and slaps you in the face. People like you have shown their true colors. You’ve always been angry, nasty, and contentious. At least we we’ll never fall for your so called ‘morality’ anymore. Enjoy your time with the billionaire sociopaths at the helm. I’m sure everything is going to get so much better and people like you will finally, FINALLY find true happiness. Obviously true happiness to people like you involves being conned and shafted by a NY con man. Angry old arse.
I expect Trump saw a video of this – the inverstigation of which was shut down by the authorities.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
So he lies, nothing new. We had a choice between the-he devil or the she-devil.
@Fellow Citizen –
Usually I’m right there with you, but not on this one. Yes, both choices were bad, but I don’t see them as EQUALLY bad. I think our popular vote loser was the worst of the worst. He’s a danger to:
civil liberties and essential freedoms
women’s rights
LGBT rights
progressive reform of legal system
progress in unity between Americans
economic progress of anyone not in the 1%
THE ENTIRE PLANET!
Here’s something from Noam Chomsky:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/25/those-who-failed-recognize-trump-greater-evil-made-bad-mistake-Chomsky
No, this looks bad, very bad.
No, it looks very, very very bad.
But two good people fooled into being divided as opposed to saying no more of this is not so good either.
Fact check – Dan Kahan is not a psychologist. He’s a Yale law professor and previously clerked on the US. Supreme Court. He does research on cultural cognition.
No matter what it is that people find worthwhile about Trump as a person — enough so to have even actually voted for him for POTUS — I don’t see how they can overlook examples of how repulsive Trump looks and acts in the video of him mocking, and screaming lies about that reporter. Couple that along with what a notoriously and undeniably pathological liar Trump is, and how on Earth can anyone stand to be in the same room with that person? How can anyone look at that grotesque excuse for something resembling a human being doing his ugly impersonation not be completely and forever repulsed by him? I really don’t understand. He is sickening to see or to hear.
@Kitt – and everyone –
I feel exactly the same way. I find him nauseating. How anyone could have voted for such a narcissistic, bigoted bully —– I just can’t wrap my head around. And those who might say they voted out of some kind of economic self-interest or frustration —— can’t they finally see that his cabinet picks show he’s only concerned with himself – and the 1%? And don’t they see that he will probably place the entire Planet in peril with his climate denial and maybe worse.
I read this at my home page:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/01/09/not-just-dumb-dangerous-trump-force-exit-nuke-safety-officials
Is it any wonder my whole being has been so troubled since the election?
I didn’t vote for him, but I certainly understand why (since I was tempted) … Hillary, and follow that up with world-ending WWIII.
@SteveK9 –
First, maybe you could clarify your second line there, as I’m not sure what you mean…
And no, I just don’t understand why someone would even be tempted to vote for him. I really don’t. He ran such a bigoted and nasty campaign and I just can’t see why anyone would go for that. Self-interest? I just don’t know WHY anyone would even THINK that this narcissist would care about anyone but himself – and 1% cronies. It baffles me that anyone either couldn’t see that or chose to excuse it.
Now some will say “he’s just saying stuff” or “he says what he thinks,” or there’s speculation that some folks really think “he’s say what I’m thinking but not saying.” But in a President, this could get dangerous. He will be “in charge” of nukes and if you remember his obnoxious tweet and read the link I posted it might give a clue (unless you are already there) why I and so many others are so CONCERNED. In an age of weapons of mass destruction, we need to do what we can DIPLOMATICALLY, and some loose canon shooting off his mouth or tweeting irresponsibly could really do damage.
So, my canine friend, I’m glad you DIDN’T vote for this nutjob. But the appeal of this ——– well, I run out of epithets—– just escapes me.
They voted for him because they only had Hillary Clinton to choose otherwise. Even the low information voters knew how corrupt she was, and they therefore rolled the dice on Trump hoping he would be a better pick. Simple as that.
@Matt –
Thanks for replying but REALLY? A racist, misogynist, narcissistic, vindictive bully a better pick? WHAT? Now I’m no Hilary fan, but — do look over my reply to Fellow Citizen above (and also SteveK9) – I can’t see how anyone could figure he wasn’t the worst of the worst. They voted for someone who may indeed put the entire planet in peril.
Please recall that Hillary was pushing for a no-fly zone in Syria, which would have brought us into direct military confrontation with Russia. Everyone knows that she is a warmonger, which in a President is extremely dangerous. Trump, by contrast, was talking about getting along with Russia. His motives for that position may not be pure (he owes a lot of money to a lot of people all over the world), but it is still better than getting us involved in a shooting war with the other major nuclear power.
Short version: Trump is personally appalling, but he seems a little less likely to kill us off with a nuclear war than Clinton. Really, really bad choice there…. (Like many, I voted third party, out of protest at being offered such abysmal choices by the major parties.)
@R.A. –
Was Hillary a warmonger. Ah, gee don’t you remember stories right here at TI about how I think it was just about all the major party candidates were talking about bombing and other war-monging tactics. So she obviously wasn’t alone.
Trump less likely to kill us off? There are LOTS of us who are concerned with that being a real possibility. In addition to being personally appalling, as I outlined before he’s such a loose canon, and so vindictive (look at how he treated the political Ambassadors and their families) that who knows what he might start. If you aren’t concerned about that, I surely am. And we haven’t even thought much about his climate denying. makes me think the outlook is grim and much, much resistance will be needed to keep the situation from becoming too dire.
As an aside, of course the two choices we had were abysmal. And now we will have to fight for the progress we have made.
Oh you’re wrong there. Clinton was a very strong hawk and could have started a nuclear war by ramping up aggression with Russia to the point where some sort of accident would start an exchange of missiles (as had often nearly happened in the history of the first cold war). Even without going that far she would almost certainly have started more proxy wars and continued the Syrian war which Trump has ended.
Fact: Trump’s election has already saved thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands) of lives.
@David Byrne –
As I said elsewhere in this thread, please remember that right here there were stories on how just about ALL the major candidates were hawkish.
As far as your last claim, I don’t know how you can ever verify that. And please be aware that he is a very loose canon, very vindictive, and very dangerous. Not someone I feel should ever be in charge of ANY country.
@David Byron –
sorry – must have confused you with some musician guy…
“A racist, misogynist, narcissistic, vindictive bully a better pick? ”
How many women and children of color died after Hillary decided wasting Libya was a good idea? How many women and children have died in war-torn Syria?
@ nuf said –
NO, I don’t think the nutjob, ‘racist, misogynist, narcissistic, vindictive bully’ that he is would be a better pick. With the way he shoots off at the mouth, who knows what he might start internationally?
Domestically, what kind of justice system will we have to face? It’s bad enough now; my guess his idea will be even worse.
So I think he was — someone who never should have been in the race to begin with.
You know it’s a bad argument when someone counts uncounted corpses killed by a right wing propaganda version of Clinton in order to defend Donald Trump — who promises more killing, torture, and a foreign policy favoring nukes.
SMH
@Milton Wiltmellow –
Yes, I think you said it correctly! This guy is looney tunes dangerous. Thanks for chiming in :-)
Hillary is not corrupt unless you are a Briebart, Alex Jones, Fox News fake news reader, you are so gullible, we do not have to read anything about Trump he is assinine on camera, pushing Trump aside the real concern is the corrupt GOP just as they tried to gut Ethics, you people are blind
@Jan –
Thanks for chiming in here. If you remember the article right here on TI, the GOP wasn’t always like this. There were more progressives (quite some time ago), and moderates more recently. Your point though is quite well taken, that the current incarnation of the GOP is indeed VERY regressive. I’m a DEM, BTW, but I think most everyone here knows that.
I saw through an article on commondreams that red states – yup, red states, were found to be poorer than blue ones. Hard to believe folks haven’t gotten onto that! Relatedly, I have noticed in a real life incident that folks will actually vote against their own interests. I also read a really good blog post about HOW people vote against their own interests.
If you – or anyone here – would like either or both links, just let me know and I’ll be glad to post here.
Israelis in New Jersey? Unpossible!
History will burn this lying sociopath for eternity. And those who voted a maggot into the White House. Of which, it’ll take 15 hazmat teams to clean out after it leaves office, if not burn to the ground. That is..if it isn’t leveled along with WDC during the nuclear apocalypse he is bound to
start.
On that last point, that was the only reason to vote for Trump … to prevent a nuclear apocalypse.
Well…when you put it like that…
Damn fine closing sentence there.