With only days until Donald Trump takes office, the Obama administration on Thursday announced new rules that will let the NSA share vast amounts of private data gathered without warrant, court orders or congressional authorization with 16 other agencies, including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.
The new rules allow employees doing intelligence work for those agencies to sift through raw data collected under a broad, Reagan-era executive order that gives the NSA virtually unlimited authority to intercept communications abroad. Previously, NSA analysts would filter out information they deemed irrelevant and mask the names of innocent Americans before passing it along.
The change was in the works long before there was any expectation that someone like Trump might become president. The last-minute adoption of the procedures is one of many examples of the Obama administration making new executive powers established by the Bush administration permanent, on the assumption that the executive branch could be trusted to police itself.
Executive Order 12333, often referred to as “twelve triple-three,” has attracted less debate than congressional wiretapping laws, but serves as authorization for the NSA’s most massive surveillance programs — far more than the NSA’s other programs combined. Under 12333, the NSA taps phone and internet backbones throughout the world, records the phone calls of entire countries, vacuums up traffic from Google and Yahoo’s data centers overseas, and more.
In 2014, The Intercept revealed that the NSA uses 12333 as a legal basis for an internal NSA search engine that spans more than 850 billion phone and internet records and contains the unfiltered private information of millions of Americans.
In 2014, a former state department official described NSA surveillance under 12333 as a “universe of collection and storage” beyond what Congress has authorized.
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, who gave reporters documents that revealed the breadth of the 12333 surveillance, tweeted this:
As he hands the White House to Trump, Obama just unchained NSA from basic limits on passing raw intercepts to others https://t.co/JkbJhTrUsI
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) January 12, 2017
As the rule change made its way through the review process, Robert Litt, the top lawyer for the intelligence community, publicly explained the rationale: The rules “respond to the widely recognized lesson learned from the 9/11 attacks that intelligence should not be ‘stovepiped’ by individual agencies but should be shared responsibly within the intelligence community.”
But this massive database inevitably includes vast amount of American’s communications — swept up when they speak to people abroad, when they go abroad themselves, or even if their domestic communications are simply routed abroad. That’s why access was previously limited to data that had already been screened to remove unrelated information and information identifying U.S. persons. The new rules still ostensibly limit access to authorized foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes — not ordinary law enforcement purposes — and require screening before they are more widely shared. But privacy activists are skeptical.
Activists have long been concerned about the erosion of barriers between law enforcement surveillance and NSA spying. With access to the NSA’s intercepts, law enforcement could search Americans’ private information for evidence of criminality without going to a judge — a loophole privacy activists have called the “backdoor search loophole.”
Neema Singh Guliani, legislative counsel with the ACLU, said in a statement that the procedures raise “serious concerns that agencies that have responsibilities such as prosecuting domestic crimes, regulating our financial policy, and enforcing our immigration laws will now have access to a wealth of personal information that could be misused.”
Nathan White, legislative manager for the digital rights group, Access Now, wrote in an email: “One of the fundamental tenets of privacy among the intelligence community has been that when the collection is large on the front end, you need tighter minimization procedures on the back end.”
He continued: “This decision will be added to the timelines of the most significant expansions of domestic surveillance in the modern era.”
Top photo: FBI Director James Comey, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan, and National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael Rogers on Capitol Hill in January.
BS-Barry deserves a long stay in GITMO; about three stories down, IMO.
Naturally the Chelsea Manning release follows this. Gotta give the press something to report on.
We no longer have an American intelligence community that follows it’s supreme loyalty oath to preserve, protect and defend the U.S. Constitution. We are travelling down the path of a Cold War style Stasi (or secret police) model – not American intelligence agencies – where they turn on their own citizens creating dossiers on their employers instead of focusing on foreign enemies.
The way to return to an American system is for Congress to only fund “constitutional” activities and for the U.S. Supreme Court to stop illegally amending the U.S. Constitution (without a constitutional amendment). Ex: “Terry v. Ohio” that amended the 4th Amendment without a constitutional amendment.
https://theintercept.com/2014/07/23/blacklisted/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/17-agencies-of-the-us-intelligence-community-2013-5?client=safari
What is the full list of the 16 agencies mentioned?
It’s bad that a russian hacked some woman but it’s okay to be spied by your government.
Americans, everyone.
I didnt hack anyone
Obama betrayed us on many fronts.
I am comforted that NSA and others have vacuumed up all the phone contacts and e-mails between Russian spies and the Trump lackeys and now need only a few more leaks to bring charges of interference in the democratic election process before impeachment begins. In this age of a world-wide internet there is no place to run, no place to hide.
I’m guessing the next leak will be a hand drawn picture of Trump and Putin post coitus, because that’s pretty much the extent to which these leaks had any meaning.
hahaha you’re a fucking moron.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not…
You are clearly suffering from TDS (Trump derangement syndrom).
Remember when John Lewis called Edward Snowden a hero for disclosing the mass surveillance of American Citizens and the next day Obama told him to walk it back quick now in a hurry and he did?
Now Obama (don’t let the door hit you on the way out dude) has directed the NSA to share in a henceforth unfettered manner Unminimized Full Take Unredacted Communications of US CITIZENS written, filmed or recorded with 16 other domestic Intelligence and Law Enforcement Agencies. http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1227228/2013-watchlist-guidance.pdf
Jeremy Scahill Ryan Devereaux THE SECRET GOVERNMENT RULEBOOK FOR LABELING YOU A TERRORIST https://theintercept.com/2014/07/23/blacklisted/
Will Sam Biddle and Robert Mackey Pledge Their Heroic Fealty Toward Certain Russian Politicians In Challenging Julian Assanges Offer to
Exchange his Illegal Detainment for Chelseas Freedom?
Types) ata be shared Johns former hero
John walked point with the SCLC leadership under J Edgar for Christs sake. What did Obama tell him to flip him that quick on Eddie?
“making new executive powers established by the Bush administration permanent”
Don’t forget to read, and comprehend, the entire article before trashing on Obama.
Wrong game Christi expert or savant user required.
Oh wait this is a partisan attack isn’t it? Like I heard about at the NYT WPOST GUARDIAN FOX MSNBC and CNN where half the comments resolve “my guy is better than your guy” right?
I voted for Barry Hussein twice. Well mea culpa Kristi.
Were you aware this was a Glenn Greenwald post partisan (NYT WPST CNN MSNBC) discussion board where partisan fueled exchangers are no longer required because the Russians are coming, the Permafrost is melting and (thankfully at long last) our fully funded bipartisan (2001 Bush to 2017 Obama) congressional war machines domestic intelligence apparatus is now pointed a you and your kind three or four hops out for the reset of recorded time. Sample that.
Given all that let me get a shout out and a small and big (D) hello to Jon Schwartz, Sam Biddle, Robert Mackey and Micah Lee and the moral high ground that Julian Assange currently occupies on the genuinely heroic tip.
Just use the Tor Browser torproject.org/download/download-easy.html.en and you’ll fear nearly nothing :)
What about PureVPN? and duckduckgo for anonymous searching
NSA can break about any VPN in the world. So using a VPN is good as long as you want to hide your Internet activity from your provider, maybe your local cops and authorities but not the NSA !
duckduckgo doesn’t keep logs but it won’t protect you against the NSA either.
TOR might be helpful but you always have the risk that some nodes might be compromised by a man-in-the-middle attack, so there is no absolute safety either !
There is nowhere to hide. Its just safer now to plan bank heists off the grid. Wasn’t that you with the Salmon and Salad meet and greet at Janets Yellens place last week?
Turns out, Obama was neocon all along.
Americans, I implore you to stand up to this.
You’re setting, with legislation like this, the standard for intelligence communities around the world.
Conclusions will be drawn if these abhorrent violations of basic rights (make no mistake, privacy is a universal human right) pass without significant protest. Don’t let them take your freedom so easily.
From a concerned Belgian
Absolutely! And people in Europe know.
Why not also include a few reputable journalists in those permissions? This is the sort of government overreach that requires independent civilian oversight …
Why not include THE GOOD FAIRY MOTHER ?
These kindergarten responses make me want to peuwk !
What’s your story? I’m genuinely curious about the type of person that is contented with a giant secret unaccountable omniscience apparatus in the hands of historically and severely corrupt power hungry individuals and groups. What kind of mind welcomes this?
Good to see a vigorous debate about the privacy rights of Americans.
“someone” like Trump? you mean it’s ok if a man like Obama or a woman like Hillary does it. I got news for you, It’s NOT OK for anyone to do it. We’ll have to wait and see how Trump does, We already know what a lawless and constitution hater president Obama was. Unlike Obama, Trump does seem to be surrounding himself with patriots.
It’s not like the Founders of the US had never heard of secret police & secret trials – it’s that the Founders of the US rebelled against them and executed the criminals who ran them.
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/revealed-the-real-fake-news-list
This is the list of journalists involved in Fake News
Comon now ,, get real pal !!!
List the journalists you are certain are NOT involved in fake news pal and you’ll be doing doing something positive . Not to mention it will be an extremely short list . Maybe even just blank ,, no ?
hopefully there is info in there that will link the trump campaign to russia. if no there is no way to spin this as good in any way
…some of these posters remind me of Correct the Record trolls during the primary. Short (paid by the post, perhaps), play on a common theme, often are wildly divergent from common sense views. And show absolutely not a shred of brain power.
Jeh Johnson and the DHS join the parade of last-minute activity that should have happened long ago.
Statement by Secretary Jeh Johnson Announcing First Round of DHS’s Countering Violent Extremism Grants
These awards will likely remain untouched, however, when one considers the portion of them going to police departments, public *safety* and homeland *security* organizations. An examination of the other organizations supported and/or the programs these awards are designed to support might be even more interesting.
To the intrepid researcher Googling “who pays for gang stalking;’ ‘where do gang stalkers get the money;’ who funds organized stalking;’ ‘who finances gang stalking;’ ‘gang stalking black budget;’ ‘organized stalking organizations;’ ‘who funds community policing;’ ‘ who funds citizen corp stalking;’ etc. just look above.
That, up there with the link is how the secret activities of community policing; organized stalking; gang stalking; multi-stalking is financed.
And it is just the part we know about that is directed at the common loud mouth on Twitter; h activist in Oakland; the daily dissenter, the low level criminal, and the average citizen who says something at the town council about police brutality; or unions.
Add to those figures the accessory trickle down budgets, and black budgets from DEA/ICE/OSID/ODNI/CIA domestic surveillance activity, and throw in our lil’ organized stalking and mobbing buddy the Israeli Mossad, or their domestic counter-part the ADL, all of whom get a free pass spying on and terrorizing ‘single citizenship’ American citizens and voila.
“But where do organized gang stalkers get the money? But who pay for gang stalking? It seems like it would be expensive to stalk and harass fairly low status people all day and night,”etc.
Make no mistake: Michael Chertoff and his crew of East German’s who fill the DHS actually CREATED THE STASI.
It only takes one brush with these massively funded, un-warranted, ADL-Israeli trained, and cowardly, concealed, whisper campaigning bullies before the average citizen would be terrified. Imagine a citizen with the courage to not be terrified the FIRST time, or the second, or….
Yup. It doesn’t take much secretive, US-v-THEM, personalized, targeted domestic terror in order to cause great anxiety and the ‘appearance of mental illness.’ Imagine standing up against this now, before your son or daughter becomes a target.
Or not. Cuz, mebbe you invested in the privatized Gulag’s early on.
http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
Well, you know it’s just so much easier to collect and analyze information that’s in English instead of Arabic, Uighur or Turkmenistani.
There is an upside to Uncle Tom’s final “fuck you, voters” farewell. It will make more stolen data available to more potential leakers, who could bundle it wih documented observations of their associates’ crimes. Future leakers courageous enough to out the thieves, torturers, and muderers who have been busy destroying the leakers’ reputataions will also take care to grasp the obvious and learn the lesson — give it to Wikileaks. Do not risk wasting it on a plutocrat front org that will privatize and bury it.
“I did not come here to praise Snowdens disclosures but to bury them or buy them out” or “Ed we need the backup files even the NYT, Pro Publica and the Guardian were pretty uncomfortable about not disclosing that mind reading capability if, of course, it existed”
STAN (is also one of these): Future leakers courageous enough to out the thieves, torturers, and muderers who have been busy destroying the leakers’ reputataions will also take care to grasp the obvious and learn the lesson — give it to Wikileaks. Do not risk wasting it on a plutocrat front org that will privatize and bury it.
Suuuure.
“Unchained itself” form what exactly? The rule of law-or the rights of due process before the law? The NSA has been parsing our data via Israel for the last 15 years, and Israel in turn has been blackmailing Americans via DEA/FBI/CIA controlled leaks ala “the SOD database/ Hemisphere program, as yet named surveillance machinery’ and more, based on their own biased/political/’needle in a haystack’ profiles- and this, for over 15 years, all without warrant.
The FBI in turn, has been selectively targeting Americans for warrantless surveillance and ‘targeted’ communications that may or may not create “terrorist suspects” based on ‘ you will or won’t become a snitch/informant/ cheerleader for zionism, Israel and the Five Eyes alliance/aka military industrial complex,’ and “community policing initiatives” that target, stalk, harass, and violate eternal suspects, aka, anti-zionists.
Weird science indeed. And even more weird, blackmail/graymail, tinged with odors of rotten gefilte fish, and the musty dust of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion….
The real problem with the NSA spying on Americans, is that they have created a treasure trove of information for Americas enemies. The stated goal of US surveillance is to protect us from terrorist attacks, its real reason is to enable each president to keep tabs on political enemies. My biggest fear about these programs is that data files on US citizens are readily hacked by our enemies, as has been alleged with the chinese hacking of US government employee files with the OMB hack. This opens us up to blackmail by foreign powers, and worse. The US government surveillance programs, the backdoors opened into financial institutions ( supposedly to track terrorist finances) , the weakening of RSA encryption, are all Trojan horses, and are the worst military blunder committed by the US in my lifetime. They make us less secure.
Eric: draw a picture in your mind of Russia, before the Bolsheviks. Can you see Rasputin and his dirty beard tickling the toes of the hidden matriarchy, and the hemohiliac heirs of ‘freedom’?
Then, add your comment to the international bankster portfolio of ‘things to do’ and voila!
“The real problem with the NSA spying on Americans, is that they have created a treasure trove of information for Americas enemies.”
What is America anyways? Just another exploit to them….and a piece of historical fiction. The Nazi’s and their compadre’s the zionists and the bolsheviks amongst us will do just fine as the invader rapes, steals, slaves and sells your daughter, or your niece; kills off or cuckolds any of your males that can stand and ‘ pee against a wall.’
My biggest fear about these programs is that data files on US citizens are readily hacked by our enemies, as has been alleged with the chinese hacking of US government employee files with the OMB hack.
After years of watching what the US government/law enforcement does to people who protest it – including tracking, pre-protest home invasions/interventions, pre-emptive shutdowns of cell phone networks and outright punishment before, during and after legal procedures (which are often for trumped up citations) – my biggest fear is of my own government violating my rights and those of other citizens by pre-empting them or punishing me and others for our audacity by trolling through our information any time they choose should I become a nuisance through exercising my right to protest.
There are countless ways this information is likely to be abused and I’d bet a huge amount of money that hacking by our “enemies” would by far be the least of our concerns as *mere* citizens.
@ Perdinska
Doh, I hate to tell you this but our government doesn’t care about your miserable existence working for Mr Burns in Springfield. Nope not at all. The NSA guys are busy doing searches for Kim Kardashian sex videos that they havent seen yet. Your whiny complaints about your existence are of no interest to them.
But, the Iranians, Chinese and Russians have noticed you work in a nuclear power plant. They are also plugged into the NSA database. They are watching you with great interest. They want to be your best friend.
Karp ,
Who comes after you when you don’t pay the Collection Arm (aka IRS ) of the Local Protection Mob (aka US Gov.) ?
Oh yeah ,,right ! The answer of course is——->the Iranians, Chinese and Russians . All I had to do was read the latest damn official answer card that was given to us . Silly me .
the government targets people who protest it. we don’t want the government to have these surveillance tools because they will use them to do that without a court order. your whiny complaint about criticism of the government doesn’t contribute anything to this thread at all, and you don’t know anything more about the lives of other posters (“your miserable existence”) than you do about what the iranians, chinese or russians are doing.
“our government” ?
I second that – more to fear at home than abroad!
Throwing billions of tax dollars at armed groups around the world to give the kleptocrat state an excuse to plant all four legs in the public feed trough and attack observers of US malice and incompetence while waiting for the blowback is a beautiful game that never ends until it does.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/us-government-subcontractor-leaks-confidential-military-personnel-data/
the dumb&dumbers oughta be punch drunk by now
I can’t help myself, thought bubble time:
COMEY [verbally]: “…and so the FBI needs backdoor search loopholes in everyone’s underwear.”
CLAPPER: You really are a creepy little shit.
BRENNAN: You know none of you are safe even after I leave.
ROGERS: Why am I here? I am NOT with these guys.
Otherwise known as the four wise monkeys, “Speak No Evil”, “See No Evil”, “Hear No Evil” and “Do No Evil”.
Just like the Intercepts previous articles – “Obama handing Trump ‘terrifying’ Powers” & “Ghost of Reagan Authorizing most of NSA Spying”, I find it hard to believe that the geniuses writing these articles expect the readers in return to pin any of this on ‘Presidents’.
ALL Presidents are puppets – bought & paid for – PERIOD. It’s a FACT staring us in the face daily. Don’t obfuscate it with words like ‘Politics’. It’s the exercise of real financial power behind the scenes running the show plain & simple, as it ALWAYS has been.
Regan was Lew Wasserman’s invention condoned by Wall Street. Obama, supposedly coming from left field, surprisingly advanced much of Bush’s (the ultimate puppet) agenda and kept wall street unscathed. Trump was ‘elected’ (along with scores of other ‘republicans’) thanks to the Koch Bros 880 million investment in getting Interstate Crosscheck of Voter Records enacted into law in key swing states, essentially putting the Koch’s AFP in control.
Working in their best interests the 1% are synced up on holding & strengthening their power.
THAT is where the advancement of the police state gets it’s impetus. Writing about ‘Presidents’ being the cause of these programs only serves the 1% by playing to their fabricated illusion.
Or maybe I’m just a Russian hacker intent on messing with Amerika.
quote” It’s the exercise of real financial power behind the scenes running the show plain & simple, as it ALWAYS has been.”unquote
And today’s award for Great Moments in Matthew 21:12… goes to…
Here’s another version…
https://www.netflix.com/watch/70139555?trackId=14170034&tctx=1%2C1%2C87d5f4ef-dea1-48b3-852a-a9b69b0c8197-18280807
Meanwhile, the 8 richest capitalists continue their reign of obscene wealth accumulation…
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-01-16/stark-inequality-oxfam-says-8-men-as-rich-as-half-the-world
These maggots redefine the word obscene.
However.. Piketty warned them. It’s only a matter of time till the masses are hungry enough to drag these scum sucking parasites out of their granite palaces and burn them alive in the streets. I just hope I live long enough to join them.
Add this to Obamas long laundry list of Constitutional & individual rights violations
There seems to be a consensus on this board that all this legalized secret surveillance of American citizens started sometime around 1960 .
In order to correct this erroneous propaganda I post the following :
Harry S, Truman , the Nuclear Bomber , made secret surveillance of US citizens legal back in 1947 !
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-signs-the-national-security-act
BTW : That little gem of Harry’s set up the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
This didn’t start with Truman! See http://www.occupy.com/article/philippines-nsa-111-years-us-surveillance-state , for example. I think that Americans tend to underestimate the sheer unadulterated evil of the Woodrow Wilson administration, the “peace candidate” who took the country into a pointless war for the purpose of killing unwanted lower-class males and never stopped thinking up lying slogans like the “war to end all wars”, which brought well-known chemical weapons formerly banned by international treaty into the mainstream, and “fire in a crowded theater”, which was applied solely to make a rival candidate’s criticism of the war illegal. Wilson was the spiritual founder of the Ku Klux Klan, the originator of a renewed era of hopelessness for black Americans after so much had been sacrificed by better generations for their freedom. AND, he was the founder of electronic surveillance and interception of mail for political purposes.
What happened around 1947 was a turning point of sort in American politics – before that it was the Democratic Party which was the party of all that is stupid and mean-spirited, but then bright bulbs like Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon emerged out of the House and Senate committees questioning who might be expressing the wrong beliefs, committees which were part of that tradition going back to Wilson. And they took over the Republicans and switched the roles of the two parties.
Mudbone and Wnt skipped over 1913 like it was a timestamp on a blank check, and instead, quibble about details on window dressing. Nuf said.
My Oops ! But in fact The Sedition and the Espionage Acts were acts that legalized surveillance during a time of war . War at the time , although declared by a president , was not official until the declaration was ratified by congress .
Can anyone on this board tell me the last time the US Government , President and Congress , officially declared war ?
BTW—–> Barry, Da Video Bomber , has used the war time Espionage Act to imprison anyone who rats him out , but HIS HIGH FILTHINESS has never had the balls to declare war .
Ronald played the role of Potus in Hollywood before going to the White House, Obama played the role of Potus in Washington for 8 long years but completely failed his audition.
Document shredders working overtime in the dying days of the corrupt, criminal empire :
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/25113-assange-obama-administration-destroying-documents-in-final-days
the assange obama administration??? what?? obama wants to imprison assange.
“The New American” is the John Birch Society, the group that thought Eisenhower was a Communist. Really.
America is nuts, that’s why / how Trump was able to rig the election – with ballot machines programmed by Republicans, not Russians.
sorry, misread the title.
THIS is also “just in time for Trump”:
https://www.rt.com/usa/373646-schwartz-dc-national-guard-inauguration/
Now, granted, this is from RT!!! Agghhhh!!!
But, one must wonder. Is General Schwartz being taken off his post in charge of the entire D.C. military defense to protect the newly inaugurated President Trump literally one MINUTE after his swearing in because HE demanded it?
Or because the latest President Obama is trying his best to set the newly inaugurated President up for a FALL with all the chaos/riots anticipated for January 20th?
I do not know. But The Intercept team has the means to discover what the hell is up with this?!:
Probably more a case of Trump being Trump. From what’s been written, Trump wants to make as many appointments as he can (in his world, it’s all having people who feel beholden to you) and if it’s inconvenient, or even unwise, in a few cases, that’s not his worry.
A prepared appointment to be signed right after the swearing-in ceremony would handle this over-promoted “problem”. It seems doubtful Trump would wish to appoint someone different in the middle of a major operation.
Mr. Obama is apparently conducting a petty scorched-earth policy as he abandons power in flagrant disregard of the ancient wisdom that “what goes around, comes around.”
If nothing else, the next 4 years may offer more than the usual measure of raw entertainment value.
I warned about this years ago and was heckled as being paranoid.
Now that this data is being distributed within the Federal Government, how long would anyone like to guess before it’s made available to local law enforcement and District Attorneys?
Don’t bother answering, I’m pretty sure I already know the answer.
How much easier will hackers be able to acces this data and potentially use it as blackmail?
My teenage son has a friend who can get into most Federal government databases, including the FBI, BATF & other law enforcement agencies. This kid also says any idiot hacker (his words) could have hacked John Podesta with the phishing scam and left Russian finger prints. His theory is that it was US intelligence that hacked DNC & left fake trail. He’s a pretty sharp kid I think he may be correct
You should see the films, photos and other corroborating data I have collected of the exact brownshirt clad, local police element right outside my front window, as I type “boo” into my web browser. At that time, they were after data about certain “manila envelopes” and the political firings of 8AG’s across America, under Bush.
You would be astounded at how tightly-and secretly, warrantlessly, and endlessly they are surveilling those of us who “know.” And, likely, you might be surprised at how some of us troll them back….
Then- just Google all of these mass shooters, suicides, targeted individuals, and other strange events, and make the correlation- local cops have been eating our data off of the trickle-dick of the DEA and NSA/FBI live feed from Fusion Centers to the precinct, as they set the machinery up, for well over a decade before the Intercept got word from Edward Snowden.
And, some of us documented it, in real time as best as we were able, and still, they called us paranoid. I laugh when I remember the first time one of their ‘control centers’ microphones leaked live streamed data to my personal computer-I could vaguely hear the lyrics of “Ein Zwei Drei, Polizei” playing in the background there, live streaming their ineptitude into my living room, as I redirected their surveillance into my own honey net, and the fusion center operative didn’t have a clue that monitoring-and psychological operations- is a two way street.
Not chuckling so much now, much to the chagrin of due process, and every other ‘constitutional thingamabobber and doohickey.’
Just last night-again, I was approached by yet another “Mormon FBI agent/rat” from Portland, OR, and again, I crapped in it’s face like a good Eva Braunsteinbergsmith would.
https://conspiracypsychology.com/2016/06/11/the-psychology-of-gang-stalking-and-the-difference-between-conspiracy-theory-and-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-14592
Stop smoking so much weed bro, it’s making you sound retarded.
Yeah, “Bro” you sound a bit infiltrated and ratified yourself. Stop smoking those jailhouse poles, m’kay? It’s rotting what’s left of your conscience.
This is a long overdue development. The 17 US intelligence agencies were becoming a little embarrassed at always answering the question, “How come you guys all have an unanimous intelligence assessment, when only one of you has seen the data?”
When the agencies undertake their new national security mission – finding underpriced real estate that can be acquired by the Trump Organization – it only makes sense to have 17 agencies combing through the raw data rather than just one. This will provide 17x the chance of finding something useful. Thanks to the internet, there are terabytes of data out there – more than enough for each agency to have its own dataset to play with.
Now some Republicans are suspicious that data sharing might represent a form of socialism. But once they learn that when the agencies are finished with the data, they will auction it off to the highest private bidder, they realize this is a tremendous lucrative opportunity for good old-fashioned American crony capitalism, they will be quickly won over.
0Bama wants all his dirty laundry exposed before he leaves. WILL that include all the drone executions?
Oh, contraire!
According to Julian Assange, the Obama administration is busy DESTROYING documents:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/25113-assange-obama-administration-destroying-documents-in-final-days
oh i thought the poster above was linking assange with obama. this figures, obama is heavily editing his legacy.
I question the underlying assumption that it is possible for Trump to be worse on the issue of surveillance than Obama.
So now we’re going from trusting the NSA with the privacy of the communications you trusted your ISP was keeping private, to trusting the FBI with the privacy of the communications you trusted the NSA was keeping private. It is easy to see how you might feel betrayed.
Perhaps, after the past century of seeking new technology, we might start to consider what technology is. I don’t think the Wikipedia definition is really very accurate – it’s not for “making goods and services” or “conducting scientific research”, as the present case indicates. I think I might substitute a definition
tech no lo gy — A method of increasing the advantages, such as control and power, that those with control over resources have relative to those who do not.
For illustration, consider the old fashioned car, which provided great advantage to those who possessed it over those who had to walk, yet it failed to provide thorough logs of all user actions like a Tesla that has to be linked up to a web of company-controlled proprietary charging terminals. Then consider that car’s deficiency as opposed to the self driving car monitored in real time that can be denied access to upscale neighborhoods or impose terms and conditions on the driver in order to enter secure zones. Every advance in technology is an advance in the power of the wealthy few to serve as the unchallenged gods of their cosmos.
In this case, the relevant question to ask is what the agencies can make use of – some say they have too much data to work with. If all they can handle is envelope information, that’s what they take. But if they can develop a technology by which reading the wrong website or posting the wrong opinion instantly results in a process against you that won’t clog up their antiquated courts or overly disrupt production, then they can take more data. It’s not a question of how much you can keep, only of how much they happen to want.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Glenn Greenwald appear in Tucker Carlson show. Both these fellows have terrific attitude like Donald Trump, and both of them talk straight and don’t leak debate questions to participants like people at the Fake News Network do. Greenwald was right about the CIA, and we need to straighten them out. This will keep Secretary-Erect Pompeo very busy, getting them all straightened up and behaving properly. Right now many of them are getting paid by both the government as well as by private special interests, and often they are not totally patriotic, which is understandable given their job description to appear unpatriotic at times in order to gather secrets, but they have to become more accountable and not participate in the creation of hostile fake news like they did this week.
at issue is that every single thing they record about me is a manufactured lie; presumably from some darpa tech. they give extremely severe brain damage then torture u from place to place recording u.
one r1b agency tortures u into the path of another agency whos response is to hide what’s going on, record it & rationalise torturing u into the path of another agency
the mere possesion of the resulting records should be viewed similarly to child porn or date rape drug recordings where the person is unconcious.
what else would u expect from them?
guess they needed to cover up that id have hundreds of times as much money as trump real bad.
ur loss
As this will surely be added to the piles of info. I’ll keep my comment as ambiguous as possible.. disturbingly relevant article, keep up the great work…
“The rules “respond to the widely recognized lesson learned from the 9/11 attacks that intelligence should not be ‘stovepiped’ by individual agencies but should be shared responsibly within the intelligence community.””
Right. If only the information was shared! Because it is “widely recognized” we could have stopped 911 from happening … we even put that in a report …
another gem for the dumb&dumbers treasure chest..
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/314217-house-takes-first-step-to-repeal-obamacare
In the old days it was “WHO GOES THERE?”
in the 20th century it was “YANKEES MICKEY WHO?”
in the 21st, it’s “i need your foto id, your facebook password and your voting record”
3RD WORLD USA
“Not merely was my own mail opened, but the mail of all my relatives and friends—people residing in places as far apart as California and Florida. I recall the bland smile of a government official to whom I complained about this matter: ‘If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.’” — Upton Sinclair, 1918, The Profits of Religion: An Essay in Economic Interpretation
I have said in the past what I am going to write again now – Presidents don’t give up executive power – their duty is to enshrine it.
Read The Presidents Club.- Gibbs & Duffy.
Oh, and jools – NBC broke it last night. Ms Manning is hopefully on the short-list for commutation.
One one hand, Mr Obama gives heartache/burn; on the other he takes it away.
Just breaking on Michelangelo Signorile Sirius: Chelsea Manning under consideration for being pardon.
If that happens I will , and this is a promise , consider voting again !
The surgeon general has determined that voting is hazardous to your welfare.
This is the genius of Barack Hussein Obama – signing the NDAA with a promise not to use rendition torture and murder against Americans with impunity and at will – that section written by Carl Levin and backed by John McCain. It’s not that American citizens didn’t believe him, but Americans were somewhat concerned about the next one. Thanks to all this warrantless data collection, snatching Americans without recourse can be tossed off to “oops, better luck next time”.
Meanwhile – wallstreet is going to have a party looking at your business info. When you wonder where your customers went, or how your bids were outdone, or how come your patent application was a day later than someone else’s, just give the 17 a ring and ask them who leaked your data.
So,, bombing The World Trade Center is starting to like what needs to be done in this Time of Coin Changers In The Temple ?
to like what
s/b
to look like what
I.E. the post should have read —–So,, bombing The World Trade Center is starting to look like what needs to be done in this Time of Coin Changers In The Temple ?
Folks the only way you get rid of Individual Greed is kill the greedy individuals .
And if you can’t isolate the alleged murderer than just bomb the whole friggin wedding party ,, Obama Drone Style !!
Let GOD separate the actual Perpetrators from the foolish standbys !
AMEN
ahhhhhh
“Dear God, you’re going to need a bigger Jesus.”
Since the end of the Cold War the US has been on a straight consistent trajectory toward a total security/surveillance/warfare state.
The two sides of the same coin, neocons and neolibs, rule the two major parties. They are taking the US to global catastrophe and ruin.
Harry S, Truman , the Nuclear Bomber , made secret surveillance of US citizens legal back in 1947 !
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-signs-the-national-security-act
The Nobel prizes offer so much cover for this “liberal”.
Barack Obama’s Bloody Legacy of Impotence and Self-Promotion:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/the-president-who-wasnt-there-barack-obamas-legacy-of-impotence/
All these businesses, which is exactly how these agencies operate, are interested in self-preservation and growth.
Business has the same goals as cancer: grow no matter the cost to the host and its resources, just keep growing.
Until the delusion of business as a model for democracy and communal empowerment is broken we will never see changes to these systems. They will continue to serve themselves and the people who fill the jobs at the time.
Then again, perhaps today’s humans are incapable of dealing with such large systems with so many people. Our evolution didn’t stop at thumbs and egos. Alas, the evolution of thought and consciousness may survive the delusion machines and stupid people of today much like how primitive man survived the extreme conditions of pre-historical times. Maybe our self-destruction is a way of nature letting us know we’ve run our course. Or this is where those of evolved intelligence will get their chance to take the world from the greedy ego-driven theist types as those unevolved fools kill each other.
We shall see.
It’s a pretty simple solution – assume all electronic communication is public. People enjoyed private lives before the Internet, before phones. They will do so again. We just have to wrap our minds around it – teach preschoolers that typing something online is the equivalent of yelling out the window.
You covered internet but magically left out your simple solution for warrantless wire tapping.
Is is something along the lines of, “teach those children not to use the phone”?
Funny post.
For secure communications? Of course they should be taught not to use “the phone” for that purpose. When has anyone with serious security or privacy requirements ever imagined that telephonic communication (or snail mail, for that matter) was safe and secure?
I don’t see paranoid parents are going to let their kids leave the house without a phone.
And we don’t teach kids anything in school since you went. Kids are just trained to be stupid consumers dependent on the system. They are taught nothing of value or use in school. They get trivia, snacks, and govt funded baby sitting so parents can work.
Sorry, I don’t share your optimism.
That’s a nice simple solution, except… what do you plan to do about them spying on you in your car (think of how many come with OnStar or the like “standard” – even if you can’t USE it to get help, certainly the NSA can use it to record your conversations. Or viewing into your home with terahertz, or embedding spy devices in “smart fabrics” (something which is being researched as if it were more important than a cure for cancer), or tricking you into something stupid like a “smart thermostat”, or just listening in from a damn drone you would go to jail for interfering with.
I think it’s better if people don’t try to “wise up” but are simply defiant; but of course they have to be most defiant when others try to get them to discriminate against those whose privacy has been violated. The lure of being *judgmental* is the worst of them all – when you take away poor people’s health care because they can’t pay the patent and graft tax, that’s praying to Moloch, but when you let a mob of losers get a woman fired because she gives golden showers on YouTube, that’s praying to Lucifer himself.
Idiotic response.
Letter writing is a lost art form that is long overdue for a comeback. Carrier pigeons, pony express, smoke signals, anyone?
Do people have all their personal stuff hanging outside next to the front door for anyone passing by to have a look at it ?
Then why do it online …….
Ah Ha !!!
So now after the “overwhelming” evidence against the Russian this happens……
Make Democracy Great Again !!
The timing is hardly a coincidence.
No-one can be trusted to police themselves. The question is more pertinent than ever, who watches the watchers???
Ah yes, reminds one of President Clinton’s final action before he vacated the White House in 2000: granting blanket immunity from the US Constitution to all CIA personnel (no wonder they love Hillary so much and will stoop to any underhanded CIA tricks to benefit her).
“all CIA personnel..” citation please
Do yo have any proof of that?
It should be noted that Roger Morris, former aide to Kissinger, wrote a book on the Clintons (“Partners in Power”) back in the 90’s. In it, he reported that Bill Clinton worked for the CIA in the 60’s- including spying on Americans abroad. Needless to say, neither Republicans (big fans of spying on Americans since RMN) nor Democrats (at least those who bought the Clinton myth) appreciated this news, so it was swept under the rug.
“The change was in the works long before there was any expectation that someone like Trump might become president.”
As if this makes any difference? The authority will likely be abused regardless of who wields it.
Imagine anyone else holding this authority and try not to shiver.
Just curious to know which civil-liberties posters on this thread are willing to admit they voted for this man.
I did, in ’08. Certainly not in ’12.
Are you trying to imply a McCain-Palin or a Romney-Ryan would have done anything different? A third party candidate would really act different?
This country was never a democracy so your demogaugery is shallow at best.
I asked a straight-up question you apparently wish to answer without answering.
I don’t think the word “demagoguery” (note correct spelling) means what you think it means. Unless you believe that question appealed only to your emotions rather than objective facts.
And you are correct, this country has never been a democracy, but a republic. Apparently your civics class didn’t get that across to you. Why you bring it up here is a mystery. But since you do insist…the founders would have sooner slit their wrists than be accused of creating a “democracy”. That word appears in not a single founding document, and for very good reason. The US isn’t a Greek city state.
The only modern example of self-rule by “democracy” I can recall, offhand, would be New England townships which rely on town meetings. Nevertheless, we have moron presidents flying around the world to promote “democracy” as if it were an actual “thing”.
That’s a facile observation, often made, but seldom understood by those who do it. Western republics are supposed to be democratic, including ours. It’s common and accurate (in an aspirational sense) to refer to Western nations as “modern liberal democracies.”
Actually, the US is a plutocracy
And Obama has been an obedient bloody puppet of the “deciders.”
Look ,,Anna Banana ,, you got your State Governors , Your Federal Senators , Your Federal Congressmen , Your Federal Supreme Court .
The government of this country is an exact replica of the Roman Republic .
That’s the way it was setup ,, the fact that the wealthy have more leverage than the poor is just a manifestation of human weakness .
What the hell is a Plutocracy ? The government of Pluto ? Geez,, there’s an ongoing debate among intellectuals as to how big Pluto must be before it can really be called a Planet !
Plutocracy MY ARSE !!
perhaps the word ROMANOCRACY might stick better.
The US is actually a plutocracy. And Obama has been a loyal bloody servant to the plutocrats.
Everyone understands “aspirational” terms of art by politicians do not trump structural legal definitions of government. Calling a wolf a cat neither makes it so nor changes its fundamental nature. To justify such a misnomer as “asperational” would be a bit silly, actually.
You’re a pedantic troll. Thanks for verifying that.
Thanks for playing!
I voted twice for this degenerate SOB ! May the Lord have mercy on my soul !!!
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2008 and for Jill Stein in 2012 and 2016, making me along with George Carlin the only people in this country with clean hands.
Carlin is one of the few truth-telling intellectuals produced in his generation. And Eric Hoffer, of course, but not as a comic.
If you are referring to ” A Change Is Gonna Going To Come “—- Barry da Bomber—- I voted twice , 2008 and 2012,, for the BOY !!
May the Lord have mercy on my soul ~
Both the Republican and Democratic sides of the false political dichotomy continue to play their part in the erosion of civil liberties.