Customs and Border Protection agents have been invasively questioning Muslim-Americans at U.S. border crossings about their political and religious beliefs, asking for their social media information, and demanding passwords to open mobile phones, according to a set of complaints filed by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
In one case, a 23-year old American citizen alleges that he was choked by a CBP agent after declining to hand over his phone for inspection while crossing the border back from Canada.
The complaints deal with the cases of nine people who have been stopped at various U.S. border crossings, eight of whom are American citizens, and one Canadian. They were filed to the Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection and the Department of Justice.
The allegations come in the wake of The Intercept’s report that CBP agents have been working with the FBI to pressure Muslims entering the U.S. to become informants. Reports of racial profiling at the border have been endemic in recent years. In 2015, The Intercept also reported on portions of a questionnaire used by ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) agents that included invasive questions about religious practices and beliefs.
In recent years a number of lawsuits have been filed over alleged incidents of discrimination and racial profiling at border crossings. In 2014, the U.S. Attorney General’s office announced rules intended to prevent racial profiling by federal law enforcement agents. Those measures excluded Department of Homeland Security agencies like CBP, however, leaving the door open to continued abuses. And while warrants are normally required for federal authorities to search cellphones, this requirement does not apply at border crossings.
The complaints filed by CAIR allege that CBP agents have been asking travelers questions including, “are you a devout Muslim”, “what do you think of the United States”, and “what are your views about jihad?” The complaints also say that people have reported being asked whether they attend a mosque and what their opinions are about various terrorist groups.
The complaints also allege that border agents have asked American citizens to provide their social media information at the border. A report in Politico last December indicated that some foreign travelers would soon be asked for social media information, but did not mention possible implications for American citizens.
One of the cases in the complaints involved Akram Shibly, a 23-year-old American citizen from Buffalo. He told The Intercept that he had been detained at the border during two separate incidents in early January, including one where he says agents physically assaulted him when he declined to give them his cellphone.
During the first incident, while driving back to the United States from Canada on New Year’s Day, he and his fiancée were pulled aside, searched and interrogated by border agents. Shibly said that he and his fiancée’s cellphones were confiscated and taken into a back room out of view. They were given forms to fill out that asked for passwords to unlock their devices, as well as for their email addresses and information about their family backgrounds — requests that they complied with.
“They told us that if you don’t have anything to hide, give us your phones and give us your passwords,” Shibly said.
During his interrogation, agents asked Shibly about his travel history and some religious practices, as well as his work as a filmmaker. (Shibly operates a YouTube channel where he posts recorded discussions on a variety of subjects.)
After being detained for roughly an hour and a half, Shibly and his fiancée were given their phones back and let go.
A few days later however, driving back from Canada on another trip, they were stopped again. After being taken aside for questioning and asked for his cellphone once more, this time Shibly declined.
“I had already regretted letting them go through my personal information a few days earlier, and this time I told them I do not feel comfortable giving you my phone,” Shibly said.
At that point, three CBP agents physically accosted him as he sat in a chair next to his fiancée, with one grabbing him from behind by the neck, another pinning his legs down, and a third agent reaching into his pocket to grab his phone, he said.
“I was sitting down, I wasn’t violent, I wasn’t yelling or charging at them, but they treated me like I was a violent criminal,” Shibly said. “I told them I’m an American citizen and was born and raised here, and one of the agents told me: ‘We don’t know if you’re really an American citizen, we’ll let you know when our investigation is complete.’ ”
After being detained for about 45 minutes, Shibly and his fiancée were let go. He said that before they left, another CBP officer apologized for his harsh treatment.
But Shibly fears more harassment in the future. “I honestly feel very traumatized. I love to travel, but now I feel like every time I come home I’m going be harassed and treated like a criminal for no reason,” he said.
When reached for comment, a spokesman for CBP said that the agency is, “aware of the allegations made by Mr. Shibly and they are currently being investigated by another agency.” The spokesman added that they could not comment further due to the ongoing investigation.
Warrantless confiscation and search of personal electronics at the border has become a major civil liberties issue, due to the wealth of personal data stored on such devices. According to DHS guidelines on border searches, CBP agents not only have the power to seize electronics, but can also “copy the contents of [an] electronic device for a more in-depth border search at a later time.”
A 2010 lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to stop such practices was dismissed in 2013, allowing the CBP to continue what the group criticizes as “intrusive searches of Americans’ laptops and other electronics” at ports of entry. These searches remain a “contested legal issue” today according to the ACLU. But the group also notes that, although they may suffer delays, “U.S. citizens cannot be denied entry to the United States for refusing to provide passwords or unlock devices.”
Civil liberties groups fear that harassment at the border will intensify during the Trump administration. Trump has suggested that Muslim immigrants may be subject to “extreme vetting” at the border or even outright bans from entry, depending on their immigration status. Any directives that encourage racial profiling are likely to have adverse effects for communities that are already facing racial profiling issues under President Obama.
Shibly says that despite being physically accosted by CBP agents, he would not have given them access to his phone if he had known that they could not bar him from entry for refusing.
“They are taking advantage of people’s ignorance of their rights at the border and are using that to pry into our personal life,” he says. “But now there is a real risk for us, because officers are not only demanding our personal information but are getting violent if we don’t provide it.”
The moral of this story is pretty obvious, unless you really, really need to, do not travel to America. Not until it’s no longer occupied.
Just consider if the “Book of Mormon” play was about one other particular religion. How do you think that would have played out? Profiling is just common sense. Liberals are getting this wrong, there are moral truths, and we fought through Christianity with the Enlightenment to get here. I don’t plan on rewinding 5 centuries of progress. I do not plan on letting go of hard won scientific truths.
You know what else is common sense jeremy? Having nothing but contempt for uninformed, bigoted, and just plain wrong, ‘opinions’ like yours.
Lucky/ Not Lucky??? Last year my italian amica and I crossed the border from canada to the US on foot with all our luggage via the Rainbow Bridge. At the time I felt that the border agent was giving me a hard time, asking me lots of invasive Qs including: how long I would be in the US to which I replied I since I am a US citizen it shouldn’t matter how long I stay in the US. (I live in Italy, BTW.)
After reading this article I can’t help but wonder if our italian cell phones (SIMs and language) that minimally worked where we could have wifi access (not at border control) probably threw him for a loop more than anything else.
We had a canadian friend on one side in cell contact with our american friend on the other side but neither of them were in contact with us while we were inside the dead zone of US border control. So weird.
Before the conservatives post their nonsense up here, you should ask first whether any of the Muslim Americans being harassed by the potentially liberal govt jackbooters, were gun owners.
One thing it’s easy to forget is that “phone” has become a shorthand for “multi-purpose espionage device”. For example, http://bgr.com/2017/01/16/galaxy-note-7-fires-probe/ says that the exploding Galaxy 7 phones were driven in part by an iris scanner – apparently this is an actual “feature”, where the sheep show their faces to the phone to be scanned with a laser! No doubt once the spies work their magic and phones without them mysteriously become “hard to find”, we’ll be hearing a lot about the No Phone List. But in this example, potentially the “phone” has accumulated a bunch of secret internal records of who has been near to the display, which they might want to go through. Seems hard to imagine the spies needing a password, but maybe demanding it is a useful misdirection.
An iris scanner? A feature that’s supposed to make phones MORE secure? That’s ironic.
Here in Europe the Nov’2015 Paris attacks and the March’2016 Brussels bombings could have been prevented with an adequate border control in France and in Belgium. Unfortunately for the statistics those terrorists had a particular profile…. I think even president Obama is aware of that and thus a certain profiling occurs at US borders.
It’s called vetting. At least we know they’re doing something to try and protect our country.
Yeah, they’re beating Americans and violating their constitutional rights. Seems like a great way to create terrorists rather than prevent them.
Bombing, bombing, bombing, bombing, couping and killing — these are the things that most endanger America.
They hate you because you keep killing them.
Good job Customs Officials, Good job!
Please keep doing what you’re doing!
This is needed to keep out the muslim infiltration. This is to keep out their theo-fascist culture.
Thank you Customs, Thank you!
Charles,
Go back to fucking your sister already and leave the national security to those of us over a 6th grade education level.
We as Americans have a right to privacy, which includes denying access to online information to a gaggle of inbred yokels like you, who wouldn’t know the first thing about protecting the “homeland” or the constitution.
Encouraging border patrol to engage in this sort of activity against immigrants is misguided. To encourage when the victims are AMERICAN CITIZENS makes you a treasonous slimeball.
Apparently it is you, and not Muslims, who “hate us for our freedoms”.
There’s a lot of real confusion in media over identity. This is precisely how government identity mandates become predecessor to closed or illiberal societies. Hussain did a great job reporting the problem. What isn’t quite clear sometimes, if you’re reading a left bent publication, is if this is the kind of conflict what you want from your State identity mandate as enforcement. If it’s ‘no’ I hope an editorial writer will step up and produce a clarifying voice about this. If it’s ‘yes’- well then at least we know there’s another NY battery publication who wants criminality to be based on WHO you are vs. an actual crime committed. That’s very helpful because the State is always the most racist actor in any nation.
Thanks for going on Hannities show Glen and attracting all the maggots to your site. Insure it will dowonders for your clicks.
Boo Hoo
You don’t have a right to enter our country.
He’s an American citizen you frigging moron. He has as much of a right to be here as your sorry ass does.
i think you missed a point here.
See where it says FROM BUFFALO and BACK to the US?
So you are saying that all muslims are liars because this person is?
What a cowardly response……..my guess is you only hold the title to a stupid house and car…Not to “our country”…
The nation is an altar, not a stage!
You belong or not, but it doesn’t belong to you no matter what Donald Mctrunald says….
SALAM! Are you a NATIVE AMERICAN? Do you think that TACO SALAD is a MEXICAN cuisine?
Everybody knows that both the Salami and the Taco Salad are Palestinian inventions which, like the hummus and shawarma, were stolen from them by da joos.
Hi. Don’t worry,its not just you. Every time I went across the border,i felt like a criminal. They seem to get off on it. To the point where I don’t travel out of country. Even though the only “bad”thing I ever did was when I was a minor, when I told them I had no record,except for,they demanded to know. Those records are sealed. They always go through phones. Like they have a god given right. Pretty sad
This is American freedom. Is it any wonder why countries America invades to impose this version of Freedom and Democracy fight back?
They’d be advised to be cataloging and harassing Jews while they’re at it. Those are the real enemies of the US and a hundred times more dangerous.
Usa_naziland is only going to get far worse. Remember the true rulers of nations are not interested in our rights or views. They see 1984 type books/films as something to aspire too.
There is no such thing as a Muslim American…
Says one while admiring his KKK regalia in the mirror.
There are millions of them. Get used to it.
So, also no such thing as a Jewish American…a Christian American…?
Lots of really racists dumb butt’s like yourself though.
i get your point
bashar’s son iterated that in an interview
religion family country? there was a 4th in there, country was last
cant say that’s any different with any other american as those who invade and kill actually have no religion, just a pretense
The problem is, America has become meaningless.
SALAM! You are right. There are Native American and the rest of us are just IMMIGRANTS. I don’t know why we complicate things.
I found the Christofascist.
mostly foolishness. . . you do not have the right to demand The idea of someone becoming a informer is a bit of a fairy tale – that would be good for useless information
Most of the prisoners at Guantanamo were innocent – turned in by neighbors for the reward. People with information do not voluntary surrender it and those who have none spin a tale… WE are in IRAQ and the middle east because of faulty intelligence – and the authorities are seeking more?? Land Of The Free?? Home Of The Brave?? looking under rocks??? following up fairy tales??
the fallacy of this started with our war OF terrorism… and the same argument still applies
WHAT DOES A TERRORIST LOOK LIKE?? short? tall? skinny? fat? old? young? black? white? this is not intended to be funny just to point out what you are talking about…..
PEACE is cheaper and makes more sense than war…….YOU ARE WRONG – and your reason for not trusting anyone is what??
That would be because there are many people who try to cross borders who are untrustworthy. And no, this didn’t begin with the absurd “War on Terrorism”. Nor with the equally absurd “War on Drugs”. The Mexican border has been a hassle forever, going and coming. Example:
I returned from Monterrey, Mexico, around midnight in the late 1960’s. I was asked about my trip into Mexico and where I was going. I explained I had been on vacation during military leave (and presented my ID) and to have a new interior installed in my car (using only US and German made materials I brought into Mexico and paid duty for).
My auto was virtually disassembled by US border agents. All the seats and upholstered panels were pulled and checked. Every item in luggage or packages was opened and searched, top to bottom.
I assume they suspected drugs possibly secreted somewhere in the vehicle. Either that or they had just gotten bored out of their minds sitting for hours in a small shack out in the middle of endless desert, with only the stars to keep them company.
My auto was virtually disassembled by US border agents?
wow
tuck and roll jobs real common in mexico, great work too, the best in leather work.
this happened after EASY RIDER i take it?
Actually, no, since my border experience was before that movie released in 1969.
Yes, the guys in the shop did a great job, pretty much matching the original factory version except for a bit thicker padding I wanted.
At the border of the US (or any other country), you have zero rights. Full stop.
This isn’t confined to only Muslims and there are lots of horror stories out there — particularly about visitors to the US running afoul border agents with attitude and virtually unlimited power to search and seize any electronic device and detain persons as they please, without warrant.
So the greater story here is about dangers for anyone crossing the border into the US, whether or not a citizen. Pointed and intrusive questions aren’t focused only on Muslims, although questions may be specifically tailored to fit the individual being interviewed. Expect that.
This is one of the more insane “border incidents”, but others can be found with google: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291602
Political views have long been a basis to deny a visa, so this isn’t exactly a new standard:
“Gerry Adams – Irish republican, later President of Sinn Féin, was denied a visa on several occasions[3] on the grounds that he refused to renounce violence.[4] Adams was granted a limited (48-hour) visa in January 1994, and would visit the U.S. on several further occasions. In 2006, however, Adams was denied a fundraising visa by the US government.[5]”
Here are some other famous people barred from entering the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_barred_or_excluded_from_the_United_States
My spouse and I have repeatedly had problems at border crossings for several years now. Although we haven’t been accosted as described in this article, we’ve been repeatedly subject to additional interrogations.
Most likely, these people are on a watch list and are being flagged via their passport. Over the years, I’ve learned that I’m subject to additional questioning due to another person’s name being associated to my passport, even though I know my passport has not been left unattended by me during any travels and even after my passports been changed/renewed.
Once you’re on the list, good luck getting off of it.
It’s only going to get worse after Jan 20 as the new regime strive to make America white again.
quote”It’s only going to get worse after Jan 20 as the new regime strive to make America white again.”unquote
AGAIN??????????????
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
And this years award for GREAT MOMENTS IN ABSURDITY goes to…. er.. wait.. oh, I get it now. DUH!
Local US prejudices against muslim persons are going to be addressed shortly.
French capital to host world summit on Israeli-Palestinian conflict
This meeting should set things on the correct path.
No one would have been dispersed if Palestinians had not started a war against the Jews. Wars create refugees.
The first settlement on the West Bank after the Six Day War was Kfar Etzion. The land was bought by Jews in 1927. In 1929, Palestinians destroyed the settlement. In the 1930, Jews rebuilt the settlement, but again it was destroyed by Palestinians. It was rebuilt in 1943, but destroyed again in 1948. 157 Jews were murdered. 4 Jews survived. It was rebuilt by the survivors in 1967. Why is Kfar Etzion illegal?
good news.
meeting in paris will settle the ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID ROGUE NATION problem for the planet
ISRAEL is always causing Americans to become targets
let’s not confuse legal with good and righteous
8 june 1967 ATTACK ON USS LIBERTY KILLING 34
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
10 November 1975, UN Resolution 3379
FYI – i can understand israelis needing and wanting a larger and more secure country. But to deny others who want the same is not just hypocritical, it’s evil.
so let’s not confuse legal with good and righteous
have a nice day.
It’s rational and necessary to profile and interrogate all Muslims coming into North America. Europe made the politically correct mistake of not profiling and their countries are a conflagration of rape, murder and social unrest. Don’t think we don’t notice you’re trying to use our liberal laws against us.
The people discussed in this article are American citizens not visa holders, immigrants or refugees (not that I would agree with this practice in those cases either).
But I do agree that “their countries are a conflagration of rape, murder and social unrest” with countries meaning one country, the US
i have no problem with them searching my phone, my laptop, my purse whatever – if it means they catch one of the bad guys – i think we all have to be all in for just a little while longer and give trump and company time to exterminate isis.
I watched a few of those border security programs on Netflix and I was absolutely stunned by what I saw, border agents grabbing people’s cells, tablets, and laptops and going through them, even asking them to open up their banking information!
If I were traveling abroad, I wouldn’t carry my personal stuff. I’d buy a burner phone. I suggest everyone read up on your rights before you travel so you don’t let these thugs intimidate you.
actually customs law allows them to search your stuff, your computer, your phone, etc. as all potential vessels that contain items that you’ve not paid tarriffs on, it’s all part of the laws put in place back at the beginning of the United States…surprise.
It’s been a long time since any dutiable goods were found in the cyberspace of a phone . So, their use of a law for one thing to go after another is not at all kosher, legal though it may be. What may not be legal is the selective application of this “law.” How many white American muslims cruise right through without getting the same treatment? Those of you in favor of profiling might want to keep in mind that your stereotype of what a muslim looks like doesn’t hold water.
Please archive this article as proof this kind of activity was very much prevalent during the Obama rule. Don’t blame Trump for starting this.
Or blame Trump as an individual for the things he said about Muslims (which has increased American’s fear and mistreatment of those following the Islamic faith) and Obama’s administration for not doing enough to help.
“Border Protection agents have been invasively questioning Muslim-Americans at U.S. border crossings about their political and religious beliefs, asking for their social media information, and demanding passwords to open mobile phones” GOOD!
Profiling is GOOD police work.
Uh, boy. You have no concept of, or regard for, certain amendments to the US constitution, do you?
Fear-based decision processing is no way to go through life.
Fat, drunk and stupid would be a step up from that kind of existence.
4th Amendment doesn’t apply when entering the US from foreign. Already proved in hundreds of SCOTUS cases. Read up.
You’re correct. However, “profiling”, of which W0X0F appears to be a fan, isn’t supposed to happen, even at the border.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-when-encountering-law-enforcement-airports-and-other-ports-entry-us
“Generally, customs officers may stop, detain, and search any person or item at the border, including laptops or cell phones. This is true even if there is nothing suspicious about you or your luggage. Officers, however, may not select you for a personal search or secondary inspection based on your religion, race, national origin, gender, ethnicity, or political beliefs.”
So, since the cohort that’s committed the most domestic terrorist acts in the last 15 years is right-wing extremists, mostly white and Christian, you should be in favor of the same, or worse treatment of whites, Christians, and right-wingers at the border and elsewhere?
Profiling is GOOD police work.
I imagine then that you would have no problem with evidence-based profiling. IOW, stop-and-frisk for white people.
Police are searching black drivers more often, but finding more illegal stuff with white drivers
Racism is GOOD police work lol you disgusting fascists are so childish
I believe it’s way past time, for we the people, to do something concrete about how government is abusing so many of us, whether its linked to immigrant status, or any other situation, wherein a police agency, or other government agency, illegally interferes with, or denies us our rights.
If we don’t push back, soon it will be accepted as normal for any abuse engaged in by these wannabe jackbooted thugs.
An idea, for the Intercept, would be, develop a well publicized website, call it “American Governmental Abuses”, and invite all who believe their rights are being violated, to report every incident, regardless their perception as to whether it may be cause for investigation.
I’ll bet the site would be inundated.
The Intercept could work with the ACLU, and other such watchdog groups, one other being the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and help arrange for legal representation.
Aside from providing such a great public service, the Intercept would gain major recognition, not only here in America, but worldwide, as people realize there is an entity willing to help them.
The resultant public awareness, and the focus on illegal government activity, would have dramatic results.
The Intercept, with Glen Greenwald, unafraid to speak up, and out, is becoming known for it’s integrity, and would quickly become a haven for the abused to seek redress.
Thinking out loud, as I sit here, seething with anger, as just about every day, several times daily, I read of atrocious illegal actions perpetrated on innocent people, by our government, innocent people now left fearful, their perception of America in ruins.
I once had interaction with American border agents, reinterimg from Canada, who did everything imaginable to force me to become aggressive. I tolerated the abuse, and was on my way, in around 45 minutes.
As I said, soon a sense of fear of government, will become pervasive nationally, and when it does, it will be to late to fight back.
yep
WRITE NEW LAWS
the current system has been hijacked by paranoid war-hungry control freaks
the US will divide
they’re the same laws that have been in place since the birth of the nation…nothing different, nothing new. Customs laws are VAST
There are many issues here: 1) the rights and privileges of border crossers, citizens and non-citizens; 2) the trust given to law-enforcement agencies like CBP; and 3) the implication of their actions on foreign diplomacy.
While I concede to CBP and agree with them that having a free-hand to search and investigate border crosses as necessary (or more specifically, too many restriction is detrimental), that does not entitle them to free and easy attribution of trust from those who they serve to protect. In order for them to more EFFECTIVELY conduct their duty, they need cooperation from all border crossers. When they act in seemingly mindless or self-centred manners, they lose that cooperation. Making citizens feel not welcomed in their own home doesn’t engender respect or cooperation. An aggressive posture have their place in law-enforcement, but it is not a universally effective method and can backfire.
The need for cooperation also applies to non-citizens as well. While non-citizens may not have access to court and due-process provided by the US judicial system, they do have influence on their respective government and on the “court of public opinion”. And like it or not, the US needs cooperation of foreign peoples and govt to conduct diplomacy in it’s national interests.
CBP can hide behind the war on terrorism to aggressively enforce migration policies, but that is not an sustainable way to win the war. Just ask the US Marines from the last war in Iraq.
when i said
“i need your foto id, your facebook password and your voting record”
is was being facetious – more or less.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/13/obama-opens-nsas-vast-trove-of-warrantless-data-to-entire-intelligence-community-just-in-time-for-trump/?comments=1#comment-337279
YIKES!!
CBP have ultimate authority to allow you to enter or be denied entry to the US.
Be as “beige” as possible, non-threatening, and dull. Do.Not.Argue. They have all the power – all of it.
Absolutely. It does not pay to exhibit “attitude” of any sort when crossing any national border, including your own. I believe only maritime law applies for purposes of enforcement, not the Constitution. You have no “rights”. Don’t even go there.
Before concluding anything about this story, one would like to hear the other side of the story too. Any fact checking with the police who interrogated Shibley and ‘his fiancee’?
That is the professional standard that I what I would expect from a non-gossip journal.
Willem, did you skip over this part?
“When reached for comment, a spokesman for CBP said that the agency is, “aware of the allegations made by Mr. Shibly and they are currently being investigated by another agency.” The spokesman added that they could not comment further due to the ongoing investigation.”
I’m confident the details will be released in about 18 months or so…
Government’s defense of a power to search data in personal electronics has always baffled me since anyone can circumvent a smartphone search by backing up to the cloud, erasing the phone, crossing the border, The downloading the backup. Data crosses borders all the time. If we assume Snowden is right that “encryption works” then a border search is not going to stop data “smuggling”.
Isn’t Barak Obama still the Pressy? I think all these complaints are a bit too early. Maybe Murtaza pre-wrote this article, and the editors published it without reading the instructions.
Of course, this type type of checks have been going around for the Muslims and Pakis for quite some time now, so when this happens after next week please don’t blame Trump for starting all this non-sense.
Agreed! Instead they should be asking:
You support Sharia?
What these idiots don’t seem to get, is if an actual terrorist was trying to cross the border, would he answer these inane questions truthfully?
Border Agent….”Do you support Sharia”?
Muslim ….. ” bet your life I do…I believe that women should be locked up, gays flogged, etc. etc.”
Border Agent …. “Do you support Jihad or any Jihadi organization “?
Muslim …….. ” damn right I do….I am just coming from a Jihadi get together ”
What is the point of asking these ridiculous questions ?
Border Agent….”Do you support Sharia”?
Muslim: “not since she broke it off and started dating a married man”
Border Agent …. “Do you support Jihad or any Jihadi organization “?
Muslim: “kidding? i am left tackle for the Jihadi Jaguars. And we won our division last week.”
Border Agent….”What are you, a wise guy?”
Muslim: “not sure. graduated suda com loud in engineering which doesnt really require any wisdom”
Skilled interviewers can identify people who may pose a threat far more quickly and accurately than is generally supposed.
El Al has never had a hijacking, even though Israel is presumably a top target for those who would try. No one has ever gotten that far.
That’s not an accident. The difference is that security agents simply deny boarding to anyone who doesn’t pass the smell test when interviewed. People who fit the profile of more likely attackers (younger males) are personally interviewed. Not grandmothers in wheelchairs. Not children in carriages. Not women with children.
No apologies. No regrets. No hijackings.
Glad to see an assertive posture by our Border Patrol…feel safer, more trusting of government.
CBP agents are allowed to do all of this and more, as legislated by government. When there are grievances, I tend to move up the food chain, find out who is in charge and look for governing documentation, what is it that border guards can and cannot do. However, in the case of CBP, their role and governance is deliberately kept vague so they can act outside legal parameters. While I understand the right to search and examine, CBP takes things several steps further than necessary. For instance, a CBP officer stated that it is forbidden to have any literature or material that questions the legitimacy of the state of Israel brought into the USA. I countered with the First Amendment, but the CBP officer stated there is an first amendment except in cases where it is directed at Israel. This is an odd assertion because Israel is not a state of the United States, unless Israel somehow is above and beyond US governance. Bit of an odd conversation to have with CBP.
My great-aunt and great-uncle lived most of their lives in East Germany. After The Wall fell, they took advantage and started traveling around the world in their retirement. They went down to Mexico and came back across the border to the US, and they were incredibly frightened while waiting in line with all those cars. They saw young people get pulled out of their cars and detained. They said it reminded them of The Wall and how the Soviets ran things.
That was in the 90s. These news stories are probably just a glimpse of what really happens at the US borders.
yup, people get detained all the time on the southern border, typically for smuggling meth, heroin, other newer hard drugs, and illegal immigrants…the difference between the wait in line for the U.S. and Germany, is nobody in the U.S. was going to execute them on their knees regardless of what they found… alarmist hyperbole.
the difference between the wait in line for the U.S. and Germany, is nobody in the U.S. was going to execute them on their knees regardless of what they found…
There are a lot of miserable, degrading things a government can do to one that fall far short of summary execution. And it would be foolish to dismiss people who’ve lived with such limitations in their lives simply because the worst elements of what they lived with haven’t yet come to your border or neighborhoods.
Also, they may not be making them kneel, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t conducting summary executions all the same. In fact, they don’t even need to be on the US side of the border to be shit dead.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/31/jose-antonio-us-mexico-border-shooting-constitutional-rights
A few years back, my sixty year old father and I went on a motorcycle trip.
Crossing into the U.S., we were detained. It went like this.
“The purpose of your visit?”
I answered “Holiday”.
” I asked you what the purpose of your visit is.”
I answered “Vacation?”
“You’re asking me to allow you to enter the United States and I’m asking you what you’re going to be doing here”.
My dad answered “Camping.”
“WAIT OVER THERE.”
After forty five minutes we were handed back our passports and drivers licences.
The point is if they have ultimate authority. If that person was having a bad day..they can refuse entry. If their daughter had run off with a biker..they can refuse entry. If you are not subservient enough..they can refuse entry. Or..if they just don’t happen to like the way you look..they can refuse entry.
Nothing you can do about it. The rest of the trip was great. We met many, many fine people. God Bless America. Lord knows you’re going to need it.
If you are not subservient enough..
I was dressed down by a US CBP officer at the Canadian border because I didn’t stop reading my Nook while my husband gave him our passports and answered questions. He was really quite pissy about my lack of visible worshipfulness. He started barking questions at me,
CBP: “What do you do for work?”
Me: “Retired” (That seemed to piss him off further)
CBP: “Well, where did you work BEFORE you retired?”
Me: “The Ohio State University” (Got more disgruntled. I suppose, it being Michigan and Ohio State being on a roll at beating Michigan in football may not have helped)
CBP: “Why’d you retire?” (Increasingly aggressive tone)
Me: “Medical issues. Would you like me to lay out the entire saga?”
That’s when he more or less snapped out of it and let us go on about our business. Having experienced that encounter, and being the epitome of midwestern white wholesomeness, it’s really not hard for me to imagine how someone of a slightly darker complexion or having a slightly less midwestern accent might be treated by such people whether or not they’re having a shitty day.
dam!
just trying to get back home were you?
it’s been a few years, i always got waved thru
it’s been a few years.
America is having a nervous breakdown.
For Caucasian WASPy looking folks, This is one of those, “When NOT to laugh” situations. Sighing and laughing, eye-rolling , will just make it worse. Never laugh at these “borderline ” TSA people..Watch those watching you, make eye contact, notice how scared they look..
Back in the day, when the kids were smaller, we used to People-watch and play, “spot the U.S. Marshall”.
Now, I suppose, we’d be making up witty phony social Media identities as we stood in line waiting to be interrogated .
Facebook has no idea how many usernames are fakes!
What a waste..it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious..and remember not to laugh
I’d like to see a table tracking changes to law and policy under broad categories, especially regarding surveillance, civil rights, due process.
The vast scope and number of changes can only be seen at a macro level… while reporting often is micro, singular, episodic.
noting that the temperature is a bit warmer this year is useful, seeing that fact in a larger frame; revealing.
in one sense, the incremental changes can be seen as part of a larger, wholesale set of planned changes to citizen’s rights…. and it would be helpful to capture these trends in one frame of reference.
This is disturbing in many different ways. The one I’ll focus on is that the ostensible purpose of a Customs check is to make sure nothing is coming into the country that doesn’t belong, human or otherwise. Interrogating a citizen at the border to get social media information is not related to that purpose, not even slightly. It is an expression merely of a general desire of the surveillance state to look over and prosecute anything you might happen to have on those accounts. And the thing is — if they’re looking for that data when it is convenient at the border, it can’t be long before they find some way to dispense with that excuse.
When taken in combination with the equally unconstitutional practice of “no fly lists”, which is a comparable extension of bans on travel from protecting the aircraft to arbitrary punishment, we see a situation in which the entire concept of law has become obsolete. People can be searched for they know know what, judged by they know not what (probably a machine), and punished for they know not what, via losses of rights to go wherever or do whatever, and at no point does the reason for any of these things need to be revealed. The basic Roman Kingdom reform of publishing “Twelve Tables of the Law” has been taken back, and the exercise of law enforcement by a post-modern state could actually become less legitimate than the acts of any given terrorist organization, which at least has a stated agenda permitting some sort of predictability.
so if customs law is attempting to stop anything not wanted from coming into the country, and social media can give officers and agents information as to the fact that somebody requesting permission to enter as a non immigrant may be undesirable to a nation, or information about wire transfers, or connections to terrorist groups, etc…how is that in any way contrary to what they’re doing?
You’re mixing two different things. IMMIGRATION is a whole different issue that should not be decided at the border at all. I mean, if someone has to apply for a visa or a green card or “not apply” but be screened, whatever, never should an efficient immigration bureau be making that kind of decision after they get off the plane. The decision should be a matter of record before they board.
Customs is simply supposed to be a check of what the authorized entrant, and in this case, the American citizen who has an absolute right to enter under international and constitutional law, is actually carrying.
The whole US security apparatus/intelligence community consists of a bunch of cowardly, ignorant little twits who know nothing about how to uphold the Constitution to which they’ve presumably sworn an oath.
aveina–ain’t that the horrid truth. The other horrid truth is that there are so many of them. Enough to get the election close enough to steal.