A draft presidential order being circulated in the Trump administration could signal a return to the executive-branch lawlessness that followed September 11, 2001.
A draft of the executive order obtained by the New York Times and Washington Post calls for senior officials to consider re-opening the CIA’s network of secret prisons, where terror suspects were disappeared and deprived of their rights.
And by rescinding President Obama’s 2009 executive order that banned torture and closed the CIA’s prisons — where many of the worst abuses of CIA’s post-9/11 torture program took place – it paves the way for illegal torture to take place in secret.
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer disputed the authenticity of the draft order on Wednesday, saying that it is “not a White House document,” and that he had “no idea where it came from.” But when asked whether the administration was considering re-opening black sites, Spicer refused to answer, saying he would not comment on the document.
The CIA’s torture program has been condemned by a wide range of political and military figures, including Trump’s defense secretary, Gen. James Mattis.
The executive summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s exhaustive torture report, released in 2014, described brutal, inhumane and cruel treatment — and definitively concluded that CIA claims that the program had “saved lives,” “thwarted plots,” and “captured terrorists” were lies.
In clips from an interview with ABC News released on Wednesday, Trump said he believed torture tactics like waterboarding were appropriate and effective, but that he would heed the advice of his cabinet appointees.
“Would I feel strongly about waterboarding? As far as I’m concerned, we have to fight fire with fire,” Trump said. “With that being said, I’m going with Gen. [James] Mattis, I’m going with my Secretary Pompeo,” he said, referring to his CIA director, Mike Pompeo. “I want to do everything within the bounds of what you’re allowed to do legally. But do I feel it works? Absolutely, I feel it works. ”
The draft order acknowledges a “significant statutory barrier to the resumption of the CIA interrogation [torture] program,” but also condemns former President Obama for disclosures about it, and for opening a criminal probe into the “actions of intelligence officers,” which it claims “had a predictably negative impact on the morale of the intelligence community.” The Justice Department closed the probe without charges in 2012.
In fact, restarting the torture program would be illegal under a 2015 law Congress passed that restricts interrogation techniques to those listed in the Army Field Manual. CIA Director Pompeo acknowledged the effect of that law during his confirmation hearing — although he said in his written responses after the hearing that he would be open to altering the law.
Both of the Senate sponsors of that 2015 law — California Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain — expressed concerns Wednesday that the draft order signaled an intent to violate that law.
“The president can sign whatever executive orders he likes,” McCain said in a statement. “But the law is the law. We are not bringing back torture in the United States of America.”
Feinstein took a similar stand: “Reconstituting this appalling program would compromise our values, our morals and our standing as a world leader — this cannot happen.”
Human rights activists responded with shock and alarm.
“The CIA’s use of secret prisons, enforced disappearance and torture in the past was patently illegal and deeply damaging to the reputation and national security of the United States,” said Laura Pitter, national security counsel for Human Rights Watch. “Scores of men were subjected to brutal interrogation methods that were not only illegal but also an ineffectual means of gathering useful intelligence, and caused the US to waste resources pursuing false leads.”
Amnesty International’s Naureen Shah questioned Trump’s motives. “It’s not just the horrific risk that the U.S. will be hurtling towards another generation of torture and secret detention — it’s totally confounding why,” Shah said. “Clearly he’s pandering toward an extreme pro-torture fringe of his party.”
Shah noted that “President Bush was basically forced to reveal this program due to public outcry against it. “
The order would also put a hold on the transfer of detainees out of the Guantánamo Bay prison facility and would rescind an Obama era directive not to send terror suspects there for indefinite detention.
The order calls detention at the prison facility “legal,” “safe,” and “humane,” and says it is is “consistent” with international law. It goes on to cite misleading statistics about the number of released Guantánamo detainees who have gone on to commit acts of terrorism.
“Any order to keep the Guantánamo Bay detention facility open would be a terrible mistake,” Human Rights Watch’s Pitter said. “Guantánamo is a potent symbol of injustice, inhumane detentions, and torture.”
Positive reaction to the draft was muted, but Rep. Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, who championed the torture program after 9/11, said she was “glad to see President Trump take that step.”
Top Photo: A razor wire-topped fence and watch tower at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
Liberals are surprised that the prison doctrine’s that “feminists” crafted as they built the police state are being used elsewhere?
The time to speak up was when your mom’s were marching in “Take Back the Night” rallies alongside the as-yet-to-be-militarized and Israelified police.
Now, as DemoRats have normalized both “disenfranchisement” and boogieman anxiety-and virtually handed the election to this guy, suddenly ” oh, human rights, human rights!”
sorry- but human rights begin at home, and with VAWA, and the waging of “domestic violence” campaigns against American men, half of any child’s parents were over-ruled.
Which might explain all those bombed babies whose daddies are being tortured ooverseas.
Hungry, hungry, hungry American women-hungry for privilege at the expense of anyone that get’s in their way.
Muslims are being targeted by the CIA for radicalization with a technology called RNM (remote neural monitoring) and the V2K (voice to skull) via satellite. Investigate the CIA Interrogation Program. RNM interrogations, a technology being used to create Active Shooters and Radicalize Muslims. Source: Michael Harrar former CIA employee – Remote Neural Monitoring is the CIA’s dirty little secret behind the Waterboarding scandal. The technology combined with V2K (voice to skull) is used to radicalize Muslims and create active shooters. https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/2977/text
Remember how Trump told Hannity that waterboarding was “just short of torture”?
Interesting. Throughout the election Trump kept claiming that “I would bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”
Uh, if it’s “just short,” then wouldn’t Trump’s “hell of a lot worse” go into the torture area?!
I know I’m not supposed to be shocked, but holy #%@*!!!!!!!!!!!!
“had a predictably negative impact on the morale of our intelligence community” is like saying they could no longer get their kicks by pulling the legs off a frog. I think I am going to throw up! As for Liz Cheney, it just shows it does not take much in the line of intelligence to get elected to Congress of the United States.
Building a wall is the ultimate honor to chant “”and the land of the free” while subverting it’s values at every turn. It follows then that diversity assimilation and integration is a farce just as John f Kennedy exposed the clandestine secret establishment that while cloaked in an open society, they are the very ones subverting it.
torture is officially prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, was rebranded repugnantly as “enhanced interrogation.” Sending American captives off to prisons in allied nations where there were no limits on torture became to be known (was called a) “rendition.” If a document was censored, that was now termed by the dead mainstream kosher media “redacted.” As the Russian statesman Vladimir putin brilliantly coined it “”why don’t you call things by its own name.”
Trump is merely resurrecting the long-standing tradition of torture, as practiced in the US prison system. Since Obama didn’t see fit to prosecute any of the Bush/Cheney torturers, the world knows full well just what kind of country we are; Trump is the proof.
How does torture “work” and how does Pompeo know it does? What objectives does torture and secret prisons achieve for the joint efforts of the CIA and Saudi Arabia?
Is it just that they believe sadists need to be employed?
Why can’t the CIA ever use positive human sane influence operations.
This is so surreal. Who are worse? The trump na-zis or the ‘progressive’ ‘democratic’ na-zis? Looks like the ‘liberal’ ‘democrats’ are the most hypocritical hypocrites in all the christian universe
Feinstein female na-zi : “Reconstituting this appalling program would compromise our values, our morals and our standing as a world leader”
It doesn’t get any more criminal and crazy than that.
What a strange strawman. No fool thinks Feinstein is “liberal”, let alone a Democrat. She was one of the first to “traitor!”-ize the heroic Edward Snowden, then (being a Senator) finally started a weak pivot when the CIA snooped on Congress as they investigated the CIA.
Feinstein, “progressive”? You may as well attack Trump for being too compassionate to Mexicans.
Right?
But of course Alex can’t explain why we didn’t enter into this horrible dark age when Obama claimed the legal right to kill or detain anyone without judicial oversight. Trump is just rearranging the deck chairs, on Obama’s fascist Titanic.
How did ‘fighting fire with fire’ become a presidential foreign affairs strategy? Fires are definitely never, under any circumstances, calmed or extinguished by starting more fires. As far as I know, but then again he’s the president, I’m sure he knows what he’s doing.
Wildland fires are routinely fought by lighting “backfires”, which use up the fuel.
Trump is merely backfiring the parts of humanity that are unprofitable to him. 6.99 billion to go!
“The draft order acknowledges a “significant statutory barrier to the resumption of the CIA interrogation [torture] program,” but also condemns former President Obama for disclosures about it, and for opening a criminal probe into the “actions of intelligence officers,” which it claims “had a predictably negative impact on the morale of the intelligence community.””
You mean their feelings were hurt. What he is saying is that someone or a group of someones feelings were hurt because of a criminal investigation into an agency that was torturing people without due process or habeus corpus. Hurt feelings apparently now overrides our legal system and constitution.
Trump Administration’s stance on state sanctioned torture is nothing more than the next attempt to publicly launder the war-crimes committed by the G.W. Bush Administration and all connected politicians.
Why is it that the religious right like to administer torture? They carry on about Muslims but are more extreme than the Taliban but are even more righteous about their lack of humanity.
They like hate and terror when it’s their hate and terror. Party over People.
As a non-American I ask a (previously unanswered) question:
Is the Orange One issuing executive orders:
1. at a higher rate than most new presidents?
2. at about the same rate as most new presidents?
3. at a lower rate than most new presidents?
Genuinely curious.
Thinking that there will be a more definitive analysis after
‘Orange Julius’s’ 100th day in office..
dong`
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-presidents-first-100-days-really-do-matter/
Ta.
Assuming Jabba the Hut makes it 100 days in office. *He’s already being sued after 3 days, and rumor has it Pastor Pence is drawing up articles of impeachment … just in case.
I just don’t want non-Americans like Gert thinking EO’s have the force of law. .. if they did, Gitmo would be closed.
Nor, despite what one reads in the newspapers, can a Trump Executive Order “re-authorize” torture. *h/t John ‘lock-jaw’ McCain
*give John McCain a pair of pliers and a blowtorch and Jabba the Hut will swear in court he’s Madonna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDsu-CnBHBY
bahzel tov`
“You hear me talkin’, Hillbilly Boy?”
ht’ – marsellus wallace
“I’m gonna get Medieval on your ass” *h/t my nigga
p.s. paddle faster suave donger … I hear banjo’s playin’!
a lie is the theft of the truth
lying whores in congress
lying whores in the media
lying whores in the courts
lying whores in the energy empire
lying whores on wallstreet
all thieves.
Barabbas
Thinks for reminding me what we need to change before America is “Great” again or at least again a Constitutional Republic. Trump may even help some or set a bad enough example to inspire real change later. I believe he is the transitional wake up call that will arouse We the People to become more involved agents of change and elect a moderate progressive-conservative with heart and mind for a real new deal in 2020. Both left and right have some good ideas that with planning and moderation can make US better stewards of our future towards conservation based capitalism and a less labor intensive new modernity. Moderation on legal but generous immigration and endless war and rebuilding America infrastructure to the new modernity. Endless war and open borders are extremes, moderation if you please.
There are some things that should be kept in mind about AMERICA :
1—-Amongst all the developed ( i.e. Broadcast TV entertainment ) AMERICA has te highest percentage of its population in prison .
2—-The American government uses more than 62% of the taxes it collects on foreign expenditure , e.g. aid to Israel . bombing Syria ,, etc
3—-The American government a Senate ( all millionaires), a Judciary (all millionaires) and a Congress( 85% millionaires) so any BS about a representative government of the people is just that BS !
The government of America does not represent the people of America and it is up to the people of America to overthrow it . By whatever means nece .ssary .
I heard someone at last Sunday’s sermon say ” KILL A POLITICIAN or COP for JESUS ”
The congregation said “AMEN” !
“I heard someone at last Sunday’s sermon say ” KILL A POLITICIAN or COP for JESUS ”
Ballots will win US more than bullets. “When you talk about destruction”…Count me out.” Especially killing in the name of God, it ends badly.
American Jihad (dedicated to the men who did these things)
Lyrics by Fred Cowan
Chorus
Long ago my site was clean when I fought with Mujahidin
In these same mountains we waged war against soulless Russian hordes.
God forgave the lives we took we all were people of the book
Russian boys died in vain and without a prayer.
Providence was our war cry with stinger missiles on the fly
With God’s help we cleaned their clocks resolve as rigid as the rocks
Evil empire left we walked away
False prophets came to rule the day
Now there is hell to pay for truths and lies have spoken to promises left broken
It comes down double hard when you start killing men for God
No matter how you call the Name taken life is all the same.
Once you start it hard to quit, hard to grasp the wrong of it.
Blinds your heart so you can’t see turns your friends to enemies
“Torture works, OK, folks? Believe me. It works, OK? And waterboarding is your minor form, but we should go much stronger than waterboarding.”
So Trump isn’t even bothering to use the “enhanced interrogation techniques” euphemism. Why not use the word “torture” in all of his subsequent presidential findings, MoNs, and executive orders on the topic, if he’s so honest about what these techniques actually represent?
It might make a prosecution easier.
The threat of torture woks too !
Galileo when he was shown a man being stretched on the rack denounced the Copernican theory ( I.e. The Earth goes around the Sun )
Right. It “works” in the sense that it gets the suspect to say whatever the torturer wants to hear.
If Trump views the subject along those lines, I will not be surprised.
US MEDIA LYING AGAIN?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4157594/White-House-denies-approved-CIA-black-site-interrogations.html
US media aka MSM aka Wallstreet Media have to be the worst propagandist liars on the planet – just to sell papers, get clicks, likes, and BS…
this is the truth
https://twitter.com/stevennelson10/status/806170700268662784
looks like the msm lied about syria as well to get the US to cow tow to israeli Yinon Plan. it would figure.
Who figured they would benefit from the murder of Seth Rich
ATTENTION Trumpkins: The Wall St. Journal:
There’s no reason at all for NYT, WaPo and WSJ to lie about this. But Trump & Co. lie even when it would be as easy to tell the truth. Certainly I’m going to believe those three outlets before an inveterate liar like Trump or his puppet, Sean Spicer.
Hell, I didn’t think it was possible for me to perceive any of those three as relatively honest and truthful. But compared with Trump, they are Jesus of fucking Nazareth.
And the latest revision from NY Times (a couple of hours ago):
The draft executive order:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-draft-of-the-executive-order-on-cia-black-sites/2288/
Fucking Nazareth ?
I love it ! You have an artistic tongue Mona ,, my dear .
But as to who is lieing about who is lieing is just your common circle jerk !
Every lier in the circle is a jerking lier !
INTERCEPT:
Better check your sources. WH press secretary says ,”…that didn’t come from us”…
More NYT and WaPo FAKE NEWS !!!
Is your IQ in the double digits? Where it came from is irrelevant to the authenticity.
There you again with that IQ stuff . Next think ___EDUCATED—-> INFORMED .
W ether or not will’s response is correlated to his IQ is of no import . The fact that he thinks anything that the government of America claims is true is a result of public education .
Dear Baby Jesus,
I pray that you hear these words. The world is and has been under attack by a small cartel of insane crony capitalistic mad men whom have co-opted all branches of the worlds governments. They use a bureaucracy named the CIA (and many others) to murder, rape, plunder, propagandize, socially engineer, interfere and overthrow peoples and governments the world over. This small cartel interferes in all manners of free peoples lives and to the detriment of all of the worlds (wanting to be) free people. I pray that you strike these parasites of humanity with the most painful, vile and grotesque form pf pestilence the world has ever known. May all of them die a horrible suffering death only to be greeted by an all and forever consuming hell, burning over and over again for all eternity. Baby Jesus if you could make this so the people of the world would be forever in your debt.
With Gratitude & Love, Black Cat
Nice war prayer, I hope it was sarcasm. God answers all prayers, sometime the answer is fortunately, NO. Mark Twain’s “War Prayer” gives the full import of prays for victory by violence, calling on God to help harm others. Careful what you pray for there is a flip-side to warfare, God hears both sides.
http://warprayer.org/
I’d like to see the books on this. Knowing the nuts and bolts of how it was done and who got paid would help prevent further abuses.
The U.S. remains in violation of international law until it makes a report to the United Nations. It also denies the victims remedy and recourse under the law. Also, there is no statute of limitations on murder.
“being circulated in the Trump administration”
Denied.
Oh well then. Cuz that crowd is a bunch of Boy Scouts appalled at the mere thought of lying.
Not at all, -Mona-, but there is considerable cause to doubt genuineness of documents released to the press.
I simply said the attributed source denies responsibility.
All governments lie, of course. But then so do their desperately-out-of-government opponents who make false claims and offer fake “evidence”. Which is to say politics is not inevitably guided by morality, but by whether a particular lie “works”.
I assume we need not debate either of those assertions at length.
Based on what?
How often are multiple elite outlets conned by fabricated documents? Can’t think of even one recent example, and certainly not a significant number.
i don’t have any reason to doubt this, but i think the elite media is “conned” by whatever they want to be conned by, as long as it comes from the right sources. if cheney had fed judith miller official looking fabricated documents
showing iraqi wmd’s in such and such a location, i don’t think the nyt or washington post would have balked at catapulting that propaganda.
3rd WORLD USA
what else can you say
leading by example
people they always trample
taking your rights away
Did anyone seriously expected anything different from a Trump presidency? Possibly the same people who chose to ignore Obama’s rescinding Bush’s torture policies and closing CIA black sites.
No one “ignored” Obama’s reversing Bush on torture and black sites, and we also didn’t ignore — nor did the torturers — that Obama violated international law and treaty obligations by refusing to prosecute any of them. Had he performed his duty, it’s much less likely Trump would be cavalierly doing this now.
But no, we were told it was time to: “Look forward, not backward.” How’d that work out?
Those of us who are not conservative and did not fight tooth and nail against a Trump presidency, especially those who espoused that Obama (or Clinton, for that matter) was as bad, or worst, than Bush (and Trump), DID ignore the many, small and large, things in which, even from a progressive perspective, Obama was a vast improvement over Bush.
Oh my goodness, Barack Obama was not as bad as George W. Bush! Pop the corks, sing “Hallelujah!” (And that does depend on the issue. Such as whistleblower prosecutions or drone murder.)
In any event, your initial comment was simply wrong: No one of significance ignored that Obama ended official torture; just as the world — and future torturers — did not ignore that Obama refused his duty to prosecute a single torturer. So busy was he looking forward and not backwards. Great idea, eh?
“For years, Republicans have written bills that have essentially amounted to press releases. They’ve repealed parts of Obamacare ? or the whole thing ? more than 60 times. They’ve attempted to curb illegal immigration and kick out people who are here. And they’ve tried to roll back environmental regulations and build an oil pipeline through the United States.
Now they actually have the power to enact those ideas.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-gop-retreat_us_588a3d8be4b0737fd5cc24d7?58pzgcbz8djmdkj4i&
Yeah, like fighting and expanding the endless wars in the ME — without opposition from ostensible liberals and progressives. He was much better than Bush at that.
And expanding the extrajudicial killing program to the point that he has established that a president may, on his own authority, decide to drone anyone, anywhere, including US citizens — also without significant opposition. Bush couldn’t have done that.
Then we have the fact that President Hope and Change ruled out single payer healthcare in favor of the ridiculously bogus “Affordable Care Act,” written by and for insurance carriers, but so badly constructed and implemented that it has been rapidly crumbling even before the current reactionary assault.
And his unapologetic embrace of worldwide suspicionless surveillance. If the Snowden revelations had appeared during the Bush administration, there would have been a shitstorm of opposition, but Obama didn’t even have to break a sweat.
The list goes on forever.
There was nothing progressive about Obama and nothing progressive about the vile Killary. Anywhere in western Europe they would have been labeled as center right — if the labelers were feeling charitable.
But he was much, much better at carefully cultivating his “Mr Coolio” image. It clearly worked with people like Nir.
Bush never got much further than getting pixed with cute ‘chocolate babies’.
“Bush never got much further than getting pixed with cute ‘chocolate babies’.”
So the WMD fallacy, the Patriot act, Guantanamo, 2008 meltdown, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the Iraq and Afghanistan disasters, all these and more, never happened?
Interesting.
I am not trying to vindicate Obama, but to say that even a rudimentary comparison between Democrat and Republican presidents since at least FDR would indisputably tell you that electing, or failing to oppose, Trump, was a grave mistake. Given the depravity of Trump, it stands a good chance to surpass Bush’s, Reagan’s, and Nixon’s combined in the damage it would unleash.
“caused the US to waste resources pursuing false leads”
This deserves a brief but warranted pause:
The false leads are pursued by the same organisations that planted them.
So, blaming them for pursuing false leads will be laughed at by the perpetrators of violence.
Wasting Resources? The holier-than-thou Congress is oblivious to, and does not recognise, this term ‘Wasting Resources’. You can borrow funds and make more and much bigger bombs. And then, threaten with extreme violence those who you are borrowing from.
Now .. How can this self replicating cancer be stopped?
“A draft of the executive order obtained by the New York Times and Washington Post ”
The source, absent any other verification, screams Fake News.
You are a fool. NYT and WaPo are not morons unable to determine fabricated documents.
Also, “fake news” is a dumb phrase.
Yes, fake news is a dumb phrase.
“Propaganda” is more appropriate.
And we can debate whether NYT and WaPo are morons or not…
Whatever else is true of NYT and WaPo, the editors and journalists tend to be of higher than average intelligence. Trump enthusiasts? Not so much. No insult intended; fact.
The paucity of intelligent/informed use of language by most people plays into the hands of the ‘bosses’.
Section 98(a) is obviously better to hear than not. The Trump administration and/or CIA still will need a new John Yoo to go to work on redefining things like “cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment”. Indeed, I would like to imagine McCain were telling the truth, but how often has that happened?
But torture and water boarding, though utterly appalling and highly symbolic, are really almost a sideshow. The question is, how does the CIA really hack the brain of a captive to get the data? That’s a whole other question, a technical question, that depends on its own branch of research. It doesn’t have to relate to torture at all.
For example, I assume the CIA knows more about transcranial magnetic stimulation than any other research agency on earth. They probably have bigger, stronger magnets than the others too. Does TMS cause long-term brain damage? Well, that’s kind of controversial, and I imagine they have folks on staff who would have worked at tobacco and coal companies had they not done so well in school. What part of the brain is responsible for knowing something is a secret. Somebody knows…
Then there are the word maps. Think a words, a region lights up in the brain. Somebody probably keeps track of which regions those are during those long dark hours in the sensory deprivation tank, no? And there’s the P300. Seeing “Kandahar” ought to set off a brain wave any undergraduate can see because people know the word. But what associations does “Furthur” set off? Depends if you read about that silly school bus, I’d guess. Flash a Stinger missile on the screen, see if their brain goes off like a pinball machine.
There are fuck thousand things like this. They didn’t call it the “decade of the brain” for nothing. Somebody wanted to see and wanted to know a lot of things.
See the stupidity of usa_naziland is that they are the ice-breaker. Now other nations want to roam around the globe bombing the hell out of anyone they define as a terrorist. They want to place dissidents into facilities outside of international law. As north-america has done it, so now can other nations copy this vile societies actions. You cannot have it both ways condoning torture because you are the ones who fostered it into newly semantic ways of virtuious action. Usa_naziland is a blight on human history from the very first major false flag attack on vietnam. Now you have gained the authoritarian regime who’ll execute america reporters or stick them in indefinate detainment, kill & murder swathes of peaceful protesters under the guise someone shot at the riot police,…injuring one in the leg. You have flouted international laws & murdered & raped foreigners abroad & sent those death-culture complicit scum back home without consequences. Now you get to be murdered by the military industrial complex you allowed to take over. As the rest of the civilized world turns its back on north-america & its poluting violating ways.
It’s so early for people to start seeing what north-america is becoming yet usa_naziland is delivering on its totalitarian regime path with gusto!
“Give me Dick Cheney, a waterboard, and twenty minutes, and I’ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders.”
Jesse ‘da body’ Ventura
Even though Obama signed his executive order banning them, apparently all that meant was that US naval vessels became the new “black sites” for interrogations – and Obama also turned to extrajudicial assassination as a means of avoiding incovenient trials of terrorism suspects. That was just a continuation of Bush era policies using different means. Using naval vessels as black sites also avoids the problem of having foreign governments involved, who might leak the details.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/are-naval-ships-new-black-site-prisons/310197/
The obvious rational approach is to go back to the pre-9/11 system in which terrorism suspects abroad were arrested and extradited to the United States to stand trial in open court for their crimes:
So, why is the national security establishment so afraid of that approach? Why the emphasis on assassination and military tribunals and secret interrogation centers? Got something to hide, is what it looks like. For example, CIA-trained ISIS fighters from Syria running amok in Europe? Saudi intelligence operatives playing key roles in the 9/11 attacks? Evidence introduced in open court along those lines? Oh dear… we can’t have that.
Plus, the use of such illegal tactics abroad means the same may be done at home. (See Holman Square, Chicago.)
not good.
sounds more like israeli styled gestapo.
if implemented, my guess is it backfires bigtime.
instead – i would
1. stop droning people.
2. issue revised constitutions for countries to adopt in order to participate in trade thru the UN.
3. nationalise the federal reserve
A good elected dictator is better than a bad congress?