An executive order that President Trump is expected to sign shortly restricts visits and immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries: Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen, and Iran.
The draft text of the order was leaked to the Huffington Post and Los Angeles Times. Titled “Protecting the Nation from Terrorist Attacks by Foreign Nationals,” it would suspend the issuance of visas for at least 30 days to most people in the seven countries while the administration revamps its vetting procedures. Most citizens of foreign countries must first obtain a visa before being allowed to enter the United States.
“In order to protect Americans, we must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward our country and its founding principles,” the draft reads, justifying this blanket prohibition.
The draft relies on Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 Consolidated Appropriations Act, which lays out security-related exemptions to the visa waiver program, to derive that list of seven countries. In the 2016 law, Iraq and Syria are explicitly listed, Iran and Sudan are included as state sponsors of terrorism, and Libya, Somalia, and Yemen are in the “area of concern” as designated by the Department of Homeland Security.
What all seven countries also have in common is that the United States government has violently intervened in them. The U.S. is currently bombing — or has bombed in the recent past — six of them. The U.S. has not bombed Iran, but has a long history of intervention including a recent cyberattack.
It’s like a twisted version of the you-break-it-you-buy-it Pottery Barn rule: If we bomb a country or help destabilize its society, we will then ban its citizens from being able to seek refuge in the United States.
Connecticut Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy explained this irony in a tweet Wednesday morning:
We bomb your country, creating a humanitarian nightmare, then lock you inside. That's a horror movie, not a foreign policy.
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) January 25, 2017
Here’s a rundown of the countries and the U.S. interventions there:
- IRAN: Iran was the site of a 1953 coup that was assisted by the CIA. The coup brought the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi to power — a dictator who ruled the country until his overthrow in the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Following that revolution, the United States government supported Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s war on Iran, even as he used chemical weapons against Iranians. In 1988, the U.S. Navy also mistakenly shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing all 290 people on board. More recently, Iran was subjected to one of the world’s first state-sponsored cyberattacks, as the Stuxnet virus was deployed against its nuclear program.
- IRAQ: Four presidents in a row have bombed Iraq. After a decade of brutal sanctions that primarily harmed Iraq’s civil society, rather than its government leadership, the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and the resulting destabilization has made Iraq the “world capital of terrorism.”
- LIBYA: From 1986 air strikes to the 2011 military intervention to more recent attacks against ISIS camps in Libya, the country has almost continually been a site of U.S. military actions. Some of the refugees fleeing the country have said they would rather “die at sea” than return to their country.
- SOMALIA: Somalia has been one of the focal points of the drone war, and U.S. support for the Ethiopian invasion of the country did little to help stabilize a territory that is in perpetual humanitarian crisis.
- SUDAN: In 1998, the U.S. blew up the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant, which manufactured over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products. Although the attack was supposedly aimed at Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network, no such link ever emerged.
- SYRIA: The U.S. and other countries have been supporting rebel groups in Syria’s civil war for years. The U.S. is also targeting ISIS and other extreme groups in an extensive air-war campaign. Violence on all sides has led to millions of Syrians fleeing the country, fomenting the worst refugee crisis in modern times.
- YEMEN: Yemen is another ground zero for the drone war. The U.S. has also played a functional role in supporting the Saudi-led intervention into the country’s civil war, which has left over 10,000 dead and has millions facing starvation — and led to a resurgence of anti-American terrorist groups that the drone war was supposed to be curtailing.
And consider that Iran, where al Qaeda, ISIS, and other anti-American terrorist organizations have no significant foothold, is included — but Saudi Arabia, where 15 of the 9/11 hijackers came from and which has been a funding source for extremist groups, is not included.
Top photo: Syrian children walk around the camp grounds during a sandstorm at a temporary refugee camp in the village of Ain Issa, housing people who fled Islamic State group’s Syrian stronghold Raqa on Nov. 10, 2016.
Well, this country be turning from dictator to militarist until communist
Please note that he has not banned Muslim countries where he, his family or business cronies have major investments or buildings. And people wonder why some of us think this man is a corrupt despot.
You’re missing the point I think though. They fundamentally don’t think in those terms. Over 99% of Syria are muslims therefore because Syria is on the list he’s banning muslims. Normally that logic is great accept it breaks down when they say “Why Saudi not on the list. 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.” There were Saudi nationals, but Al Qaeda never had a presence in Saudi Arabia. No terrorist organization has and the Arab Spring lasted about a day AND THEY HAVE THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE WORLD. I wonder if it’s b/c they’re world famous for torture. Guess the Donald is right about that point at the very least.
Trump now joins the list of US presidents as war criminals. A list that includes all US presidents since [at least] Nixon except for [possibly] Carter.
Well, it appears that Trump cannot do anything without doing it like an idiot.
A reasonable person would have assumed that a visa already granted, a flight already boarded, would not be subject to the change in policy. Reasonable governments don’t issue papers and then say “whoops, changed our mind.” Well, according to https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html , Trump’s ban was imposed IMMEDIATELY on people who had boarded flights based on the promise from the U.S. that they would be able to enter the country. This seems, reasonably, to create a cause for civil liability. I mean, I can understand if War Broke Out and it was an “Emergency”, but Trump getting elected is … well, it’s not supposed to be an emergency. Not according to Trump and his people.
It was also imposed on people “living in Texas for ten years”, though I don’t see details on what kind of visas they had, whether they had to be renewed with each reentry or whatever. Would be good to see those covered by a news organization.
Another thing about that article is it said someone flying in from Stockholm was going to get sent to IRAQ. Why the hell aren’t they getting sent back to Stockholm?
Last but not least, there is confusion in the press over whether “citizens” of these countries or people for whom they are “countries of origin”. Because there are various people who have nominal Iranian nationality because their fathers were Iranian but have never been there, and considering how Trump has fucked up everything else, I’m kind of counting on him to do the wrong thing here also.
Sigh… I just realized I’d missed the biggest one of all. If His Idiocy is actually taking random people from third countries, who were living there for years, and sending them back to countries of origin, and not accepting claims of asylum, then that means that there may be actual *apostates*, the precise people any good Islamophobe wants to hold up as heroes, at risk of being thrown into the hands of governments that would kill them for it. Is Trump actually willing to pick up a stone and join a Muslim mob stoning someone to death for accepting Christianity???
Notably missing from the blacklist, however, are several Muslim-majority countries where Trump has business dealings, according to Bloomberg.
The news organization has put together a map of the proposed suspensions, with the Muslim-majority countries where Trump has business interests—Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Azerbaijan …
While Muslim-majority countries such as Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, and others are not included on the list, the omission of Turkey and Egypt may be argued as being seen at odds with Trump’s definition.
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-conflict/
Sharia Law demands death to Non-Muslims.. that’s enough to keep muslims out of ANYPLACE as far as i am concerned. What sort of “GOD” wants a person to
BEHEAD A LITTLE CHILD????? no one can blame America or Europe for trying protect themselves.
jle gew says “Sharia…demands death to Non-Muslims…” Wrong. Death to apostates. Jews and Christians are “dhimmis,” protected people “of the Book.”
Ah yes, the good old “these brown peoples want to kill me because its supposedly their cult. Curious how white people can visit egypt or others such countries and coming back alove then eh ? Or how muslims can integrate occidental society? Why not go back to Fox News for this petty racism ?
Well, if the CIA were ‘helping Donald to understand’ they would tell him that most of the 9/11 hijackers were in fact Saudi Arabians, as was Osama Bin Laden. The leader of the 9/11 team was Egyptian; as was the father of Islamic fundamentalism, Sayyid Qutb. Hezbollah, the Iranian/Syrian sponsored terror group are based in The Lebanon. The Taliban are based in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And the founder of ISIS, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was Jordanian. Abu Ayyub al-Masri, who was al-Zarqawi’s successor as leader of ISIS, was also Egyptian. His two successors were, in fact, Iraqi. However, interesting to note that most of the people actively fighting ISIS right now are Iraqi. So, he has just banned all our allies in the fight against his #1 boogeyman, ISIS. And his first week in office still hasn’t finished. Great start, Donald.
What does Trump’s ban on Muslims mean for you?
By Mahmoud El-Yousseph
January 26, 2017
President Trump’s executive order banning Muslims from entering the US is outrageous and divisive.
The ban stereotypes all Muslims as potential terrorists and creates a climate of fear and bigotry like the hysteria surrounding the treatment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. This, in turn, will turn Americans against each other
Extremists come in all faiths and do not reflect the values and beliefs of the vast majority of the members of the religious groups to which they belong. Contrary to the public belief, FBI statistics show that over 90% of domestic terrorist acts in the US are committed by non-Muslims.
This executive ban affects and insults every Muslim immigrant to America who holds a green card, a visa and asylum seekers. If not stopped, the ban might extend to include the US born and naturalized citizens of Arab ethnicity and or Muslim faith.
What does Trump’s ban on Muslims mean for you?
According to Jamal Abdi the executive director of the Iranian American Community (IAC) who obtained an advanced copy of the Executive Order one day before the president signed it into law. Based on this document, IAC offered the following initial analysis to its members:
If you are an Iranian national outside of the U.S. with a valid U.S. visa, you will not be able to enter the United States.
Iranian dual citizens (e.g. a dual national of France and Iran) may be barred from entering the United States.
U.S. permanent residents (green card holders) who are outside of the United States may be barred from reentry.
U.S. citizens will not be directly affected by the ban.
It is not yet clear how the Trump Administration would implement this order so we caution that this is an early analysis. We will update you as we learn more.
The ban will initially last for 30 days but it is likely that for some countries it will be permanent.
The list of targeted countries will bar entry for aliens from Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia.
The document says that, after the 30-day suspension of entry, the Department of State and Homeland Security will present a report of countries that do not provide enough information to the U.S. to ensure visa applicants from that country are not a threat. Those countries will be given 60 days to address those issues and comply with U.S. requirements. If they do not, a Presidential proclamation will be issued to ban all entrants from that country.
There is nothing to indicate that persons on valid visas inside the United States will be expelled. But if they leave the U.S., they would not be able to return so long as the ban is in place.
We have serious concerns this ban would also apply to dual nationals, i.e. a French citizen traveling to the U.S. from France who also holds Iranian citizenship. It is also possible that this ban will apply to green card holders who seek to re-enter the U.S. We are seeking clarification on how the Trump Administration will implement this order.
We have already heard of at least one case in which a dual German-Iranian citizen with a U.S. visa was prevented from boarding a flight to the U.S. We do not have confirmation if this is due to the new order
If Americans do not rise up and challenge this assault on liberty and human rights, King Donald Trump will require by law all Muslims to register in a database and to wear a GPS tracking bracelets at all times. Perhaps Muslims would have to be tattooed like the Jews during WWII. King Trump may issue a new order to bug all Muslims places of work and their residences and to monitor all mosques and community centers, ending with “if they don’t like the idea, or if they refuse, the king will not hesitate to deport them out of their own country.
Trump made an outrageous claim during the election against Muslims and Arabs when he lied about ” thousands of New Jersey Arabs community celebrated the 9/11 attack.” Even after he winning the presidency, he also lied about the losing the popular vote to Hillary Clinton because of immigrants fraudulently voting in the election. When asked for evidence and was presented with facts to the contrary, he refused to confess, retract his statement or even apologized. He still insists on building a security wall with Mexico despite the fact there is no evidence that ISIS fighters entered America through the Mexican border.
As a retired veteran, I do know it is an indisputable fact that Muslims and Arab Americans have played a vital role in the safety and welfare of our nation. They have served in every conflict and war since the Revolutionary war. They are also serving currently in all branches of the US Armed Forces.
Americans who are not taken back by this abuse of power against their fellow Muslims have little or no regards to the U.S. Constitution, which specifically forbids the religious persecution ‘Herr’ Trump is calling for.
Mahmoud El-Yousseph
Retired USAF Veteran
Are you Muslim? If so I would like to ask you a question that I am trying to understand.
I have to applaud Forest Trump. Forest…Forest Trump. Its wise to keep people out that have had their children killed by drones or bombs. Why would anyone dare be around those people?
“We bomb your country, creating a humanitarian nightmare, then lock you inside. That’s a horror movie, not a foreign policy.”
Wow he must have learned that from his new friend Netanyahu?
That is a quote from Chris Murphy, US Senator from CT.
Yet it makes sense, does it not? Who has more motive to attack the United States than a victim of a United States attack? No-one.
This executive order is mean, but it is also very pragmatic. Remember that the new administration is not responsible for the crimes of the previous three, but it IS responsible for the well-being of the United States now. Yes, the US has done terrible things to all those countries, but that does not mean it is obligated to take in the citizens of those countries. What the US needs to do is have a less interventionist foreign policy, which is exactly what Trump proposed, and let the countries heal on their own terms in their own land.
…..now would be a good time for you to read, and hopefully, understand the U.S. Constitution along with a couple of history books……
….sorry you have missed those educational moments in your life; not too late….
“We bomb your country, creating a humanitarian nightmare, then lock you inside. That’s a horror movie, not a foreign policy.”
True. But Trump isn’t the one who started the bombing – or terrorizing by arming insurgents. If he continues doing it, however, he will be as bad as Obama and Bush. Russia is helping Syria fix the mess they created. If they succeed, the refugees can go back and rebuild.
57 muslim countries(1.6 billion people), China(1.1 billion people) and Mexico.
I hope they dont start a “dont buy American made” campaign. Not too good for business and the economy to loose half the world market.
What about Saudia Arabia? Terrorists mostly come from their country
Oh, no – they’ve got a nice big hi-tech border wall built for them by German companies (who else?) to keep Syrians and Iraqis out – while they give billions in aid to ‘moderate’ rebels in Syria to keep the war going. Check out the specs here (pretty impressive!)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11344116/Revealed-Saudi-Arabias-Great-Wall-to-keep-out-Isil.html
Happily, they’re in charge of our international human rights at the UN – thanks to the US and UK.
Yeah, Trump and his entire cabinet are across the board garbage humans and all BUT closing the States to immigration is not necessarily a bad thing. Be it Muslims from across Africa and the Middle East who refuse to embrace and acclimate to American culture or be it Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc… The US already has a crisis on it’s hands by not being able to provide for it’s own citizens. As it is, things like education, health care, affordable housing, job training and the like are all luxuries in the regressive nation. The solution is not relocating said migrants to the West but aiding them in their backyards and setting up shops for them in neighboring countries with similar beliefs and practices to their own. The States already give billions of tax dollars to countries that hate them so why not.
Jeez, just look at what is happening in places like Germany, France and the UK. Ports in Sicily are receiving thousands of migrants a day!!! Those poor people have all been thrown under the bus by their leaders in order to appease the monstrous hordes trampling over the European continent. It’s a land grab dressed as a Trojan Horse. Sadly, now it is too late for these countries. It would be wise to close the doors on this invasion while it’s still possible.
If only these politicians gave a crap about anything other than profits they would look inward and start focusing on helping their own people for a change. Self preservation should be a very big concern during these troubling times.
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/theintercept-com_20170125_trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
RCL
Can I please make an apology to the world for the USA being the DUMBEST NATION in the world. This is NOT my GOVERNMENT! These are corporate TRAITORS running our government! I apologize to all those who would even THINK of wanting to come to the USA. You want in? Trade me places! I desperately want out but like so many that would leave if we could afford it. I want to live in a society that cares about people instead of greed. These wars are not my wars just for rich old men that are greedy as F**K! Stopping abortion to make us raise kids so military can brainwash them, take them and kill them in their wars as collateral damage. SCREWY LOGIC!
Unfortunately you’re WRONG! The owners of the plantation are very, very smart in every way possible…
the US currency system, PRINT-TO-LOAN-TO-OWN, is the root cause that cultivates greedy murderous thieves. Wallstreet thieves love robbing people of power, homes, return on productivity, and continues to play people off with threats of deprivation by lots of means they call the free market – meaning free to rob Americans and do it again.
The currency scheme is a criminal contrivance established in 1913 by the whores of congress back then who were supported bythe rothschilds. The currency scheme demands “growth”. The more you understand this the more you will see this as the evil that Jesus turned the tables on.
And they also tricked barabbas into voting for Trump.
too bad about hellary, big loser, no tpp
gonna build a wall, no more growth, just price fraud
wallstreet thieves trade teams illegal, how the thieves price to sell
the conjob behind the fed rate, criminal fraud
fiat currency fall lika humpty dumpty
bonds going going gone
stock market crash both ways, huh?
hello america, buh bye izzy
sucker
yup .. i am right here with you .. we are doomed .. live life to the fullest while we are still here we are about to open hell gates … water gate was nothing . HELL GATES are on the way ,,,
Totally 100%, usimmigration is about blackmailing and draining out the powerful of a sovereign nation so the us can easily plunder and steal. If everybody stays home, you cannot do that effectively adinfinitum.
We are at the point of the us balance always negative now. Things need balance.
J has made the world more wretched by his doctrine of unaccountability!
Miss V-
“Stopping abortion to make us raise kids so military can brainwash them, take them and kill them in their wars as collateral damage”
I hear the smart girls are taking excercise classes, studying foreign language and computer programming, and learning about scales of opportunity.
In China, you only get two kids, which seems reasonable- and women here barely use abortion, because economic entrapment of male opportunity is such a profitable side industry; and the economy will all be heading over there by the time this stink flower wilts here.
Last I heard, there’s a shortage of white women in the east. And the ‘others’ of course. Follow the wind, swallow!
( a plane ticket only costs a few hundred bucks)
I am sorry. Trump didn’t bomb them, Hillary and Obama did. So accusing Trump is very unfair at this moment. Glad that Hillary wasn’t the POTUS.
One book explains it all. The now decease GREAT author Chalmers Johnson check out a bit of it on your own “Blowback” is the title. Enjoy some reading today:http://nypolisci.org/files/PDF%20FILES/Chapter%20VIII_%202_Blowback.pdf
thanks
http://www.alternet.org/authors/chalmers-johnson
Thank you, that is all we can do is try to help educate the young that are getting corporate education, sadly.
it will take protests to replace the currency system we have with one that works for the GOOD of human beings.
Also local laws that criminalise wallstreet thieves would be good.
that is, because there is a direct connection between the US military empire and the print-to-loan-to-own currency system.
We live under a government that has legitimized torture .
CASE CLOSED !!!
100% in agreement. No arguments, no hope, and now not even a safe country for the 99% (unless you discount the 52% of ignorant white women that voted for the DIP. NOT ME! I supported Bernie Sanders until he sold us out. Face it we are on the eve of DESTRUCTION! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
Well let’s face it…. if we hadn’t bombed them in the first place, there wouldn’t be so many appropriately upset folks wanting to come here and harm us. The CIA calls it blowback and nearly every neocon warmonger is in denial of these basic truths of human nature.
W/o US support for the Taleban/al Qaeda, there would have been no 9/11 and no ISIS/ISIL.
Reagan getting cushty with the Taleban, these fierce ‘freedom fighters’!
Are you talking about THE WAR ON TERROR
or the THE WAR ON ALTERNATIVE FACTS
?????
Look , we live under a government that has legitimized torture .
CASE CLOSED !!!
We always have – ever heard of Wounded Knee?
The War OF Terror.
If there had not been lies on Iraq under Bush Sr. and Jr. there would have been no war in Iraq and if it had been legitimate it would have occurred in Saudi Arabia where the majority of the hijackers came from. How many came from Iraq? That’s right, NONE OF THEM! Trump is definitely an incarnate of Reagan, both as stupid and out of touch as the day is long. Two NARCISSIST, one thank god now dead. Does this one have heart problems? We can hope right :) GOD help the USA! We are F**KED!
Please don’t spare the rod forBush-Lite, aka Obomba. Thanks to him, the Orange One has inherited the deepest Deep State EVER!
If Trump dies, you’ll get Pence: from the frying pan into the fire!
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” **
** (Unless they’re refugees displaced by American warmongering and interference in other countries affairs. Then, fuck em – especially the Muslims.)
There’s just to many trying to escape from the bombings of the US Government .
If you are bombing 1/2 the planet and you have about 1/240 of its land you are going to have a problem dealing with the ones your bombs did not kill !!
“Give me the survivors of my bombs” is not an option of a optimized business model !
Unless , of course , they are immediately jailed !!
I’m sure Big Prison is working its lawmaking “representatives” on that!
Gert-
Yeah- cuz wymin’s was so busy building the prisons for badmenz, they forgot they might need a few more votes in the last election.
I am still laughing at the fact those white women’s marches the other day were so clearly, and convincingly privileged- not a single can of mace anywhere in a cops hands, or a baton poking too far out of a waistband.
Maybe you should listen to the TI podcast on the Women’s March?
Alternatively, take your MRA/MGTOW crapola to RoK.
(aside, to self- ‘doth anyone spieth that which destroyed the Deus-RAT party-methinks it is thee, and the fuzzy pink vagina hat, a soiled foil against the death of thought at the source of democracy, and an eve’ worse bag of baggage, unpacked, that trumps your steps into old age; but a trusty ally so many years ago, too have attracted to yourself thine own demise-untarnished and browner eyes now spied the fraught and ought of your prize; a Deus-RAT party that depends from lies…say it ain’t so; but it is the prize you have earned. Nevertheless, never learned that which you would teach to others.)
Sure, Gert. Keep it divisive, and , well, like a head, stuck in a fuzzy pink vagina hat. That’ll woo the voters. Especially the guys- if there are any left who aren’t locked up under your version of mother knows best by ‘leveling the playing field,’ by playing jester to Mother Courage
1) Gloria and all the old white hags slut shaming young women wit old white women’s ‘feminism’ (nice move, you did THAT better than right wingers)
2) Bernie-cuz, he’s whitey “down with old bad whitemenz- eve if the kids like’ em’! (nice job with the identity politics- maybe next generation, you will raise better voters who even know what rights are, and how costly they are for all of us-if we still have the vote when you people are done)
3) where did white matriarchy go wrong? I think it was at “bonobos,” or maybe, possibly, nahhhh: accountability.
We sure don’t hear much from your types about prison conditions; wage slavery that affects primarily male prisoners; or anything else of substance- and look what it got you? Everything you ‘earned.’
.77 cents on the dollar beats three hots and a cot, at pennies per day; and hands down. But, once upon a time, your ziobux buddy Soros considered humanizing the prisons- but y’all wuz hungry hungry hungry- no time for da badmenz’!
https://newrepublic.com/article/119083/prison-labor-equal-rights-wages-incarcerated-help-economy
(aside, to any looking in-
“HEAR YE HEAR YE, the patriarchal, resource sucking, over-eduated and gender-jaded voice of BADD MEN shall now speak:”
“in levenworth ks fed prison my step dad makes 32 cents a day
in st jo MO state prison i made 7.50 a month until i got my ged and then i started to make 8.50 a month ( and thats 8 bucks and 50 cents)
and in sc i got paid 18.50 every 2 weeks ”
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090529202727AAud3zf
Let’s be honest. The majority of U.S. Muslim immigration has been young men. You show a picture of women and children but this accounts for a very small percentage of actual immigrants. Where is your honesty once again?
This executive order that has yet to be signed suspends travel for 30 days while vetting is revamped. Why is this wrong? In reality there has been NO vetting. Why is this wrong? It allows terrorists to enter the country unrestrained, that’s why.
The Intercept continues to skew all of their articles with regard to Trump. Time to show some honesty.
@joan ,, you do understand what propaganda is ,, RIGHT ?
TI is now the official INTELLECTUAL PROPAGANDA news rag of the CIA !
and that is , in fact , a non-alternative fact .
Put that together without biting your lip babes .
That was insightful. Maybe you should be president.
Not me babes !
NO FUC-KIN WAY!!!!
“Alright. Well, in all honesty, I don’t feel that what I’ve done is a crime. And I think it’s illogical and irresponsible for you to sentence me to prison. Because, when you think about it, what did I really do? I crossed an imaginary line with a bunch of plants. I mean, you say I’m an outlaw, you say I’m a thief, but where’s the Christmas dinner for the people on relief? Huh? You say you’re looking for someone who’s never weak but always strong, to gather flowers constantly whether you are right or wrong, someone to open each and every door, but it ain’t me, babe, huh? No, no, no, it ain’t me, babe. It ain’t me you’re looking for, babe. You follow?”
-george jung
George Jung is an American hero. Where In The World is George Jung? We need another credible source to help the kids today revisit how our agencies….errrr: the Company he worked for filled our nation with drugs:
http://georgejung.org/contact/
That would explain the articles debunking the CIA claims that Russia hacked the election.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/seymour-hersh-blasts-media-for-uncritically-promoting-russian-hacking-story/
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/
“In reality there has been NO vetting. ” Really? Really?! I found that hard to believe so I took about 5 seconds to google American vetting process for refugees and found this…
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states
So, my question is which ‘reality’ are you referring to?
FactCheck.org states that 67% of Syrian refugees are women and children under the age of 11. Young males 18 years of age or older only made up 25.5%. These percentages from the State Department match the numbers from the U.N.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/facts-about-the-syrian-refugees/
FactCheck.org also states that all refugees are vetted thoroughly and that is after they have been vetted by the U.N. and referred to the U.S. by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees for resettlement.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/resettling-syrian-refugees/
I Guess FactCheck.org is a propaganda outlet now too? My guess, using Occam’s Razor, is that you get your facts from an alternative fact site like Breitbart.com
I work with Syrian refugees everyday at a refugee resettlement center. You’re either ignorant or lying when you say most Syrian refugees are men, not women and children. (You did say young men but when a male is young enough he is a child. )
Gary ,
Joan is in the camp of WOMEN vs MEN . Its like Republicans vs Democrats , Black vs White , Rich vs Poor , Ignorant vs Informed , Educated vs Free Thinking , Strauss Waltz vs Rock&Roll , Science vs Superstition ,,
Its simply the YEN vs YANG nature of what we humans call thinking .
Power People know this and use it to control.
“In reality there has been NO vetting.” -joanieluvs
None, you spew..?
1. National Security Entry-Exit Registration System
An “I’ll Be Your Huckleberry” Production
The Screening Process for Refugee Entry Into the United States (11/25/15)
Seems pretty thorough to me…
And now the shit fight starts !
—-> in one corner we have DA MALE CHALLENGERS Spicoli&Gert
—–>in the other corner we have DA GAL CHAMPIONjoan
DONGROUND 1 :
They come out dancing and Spicoli&Gert land two links to joan’sribs ,, joan is gasping ,,,
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” In reality there has been NO vetting. ”
Other than a year and a half (at least) of vetting by every agency, and personal interviews, you’re right – no vetting. ;)
mikeinportcjumps in and misses badly with a “news agency” left hook ,,,,
Alphabet soup involved in vetting process:
RSC
NCC
FBI
DHS
USCIS
May have missed one or two…
ter-ror-ism: the unlawful use of violence or intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Such as taking their oil, here’s an alternative fact for you to consider: When that happens, and U.S. forces enter a country un-invited and commence to destroy that country, and kill it’s citizens with “collateral damage” ..what should we call them?
El Comandante Trump’s election to office may be more complex than any of us think: Van Jones does a good job of covering “coal country” Trump supporters; the conversation segways to Middle Easterners and Mexicans and refuge.
I doubt anyone w/ half a brain who voted for DJT supports him 100%.
Google that shit; the Van Jones thing
THE EYES OF GOOGLE ARE UPON YOU
ALL THE LIVE LONG DAY
———-googling in the 50’s was the way you watched a peep show !
America’s ideological fundamentalists are finally in charge in Washington; busy implementing the final solution.
The wreck that ensues from the soft war on religion and race, in the end, will destroy the very structure which has so benefited the American power. The worst human tragedy will be for the very group of underprivileged folks that voted for Trump. The wealthy globalists will only get richer.
The fundamentalists bent on destroying freedom and democracy in the world have not better friend than the new ilk in the White House.
Folksy folks, the Democrats’ favorite word.
The theory of BLOWBACK has been an anti-global-war-on-terror meme since the WTC attacks of 911. Yet, when an American president takes reasonable measures to minimize the possibility of blowback from those countries who have purportedly have reason to attack the US, he is held up for criticism. Now one might reasonably argue that the US military actions which predicated such responses are fundamentally wrong, but the anticipation of BLOWBACK seems to be logical consistent with the progressive left’s own rationale.
I guess you haven’t thought through how blowback works in regards to the millions of Muslims already living in the US who are now direct targets of a hostile effort to separate them from their friends and families abroad.
There is nothing in this executive order that prevents legal immigrants from maintaining contact with their families abroad. It is only intended to require a greater degree of vetting of those who want to enter the United States. Quit being so hysterical!
How, over Skype? You don’t know what you’re talking about. A visa ban is not a “greater degree of vetting.” It means they can’t visit the US under any circumstances. Additionally, there’s usually reciprocity in international relations, so it’s likely that US citizens also won’t be able to travel to those countries.
Add to that these draconian cancellations of visas that are apparently being implemented, and not even legal US immigrants will be able to travel abroad for fear of having their visas cancelled from under them.
What you’re defending is evil all around.
The above article reads:
Now, what exactly is this ban you are talking about? Please provide a link to your source.
Like everything else, this 30-day suspension of visas will certainly be extended, unless it’s a complete political disaster. You actually believe it’s a temporary measure done to “revamp vetting procedures”? That’s absolutely ridiculous.
Like everything else? Trump has only been in office for a few days. Again, hysterical conjecture does not speak to the facts at hand. If the attacks of 911 are ideologically consistent with the jihadist precepts espoused by radical Islam, then the justification for the Bush Doctrine remains intact. Preemptive regime change is the cornerstone of America’s war on terror and, by its very nature, necessitates the exercise of military might. The invasion and pacification of Muslim countries is being predicated upon the perception that their support of terror poses an imminent existential threat to the U.S.
In uncritically accepting the foregone conclusions of the 911 commission report, the progressive left has assumed an untenable position in perpetuity; and, in the doing, it forfeited the opportunity to nip the global war on terror in the bud. In fact, many progressives continue to vilify those who have successfully found critical fault with the politically driven conclusions of the 911 Commission by characterizing them as tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists. Thus the debate over the global war on terror has been reduced to one of mean rather than substance for the last fifteen years. Even with the recent disclosure that the Saudis were most likely the perpetrator of those attacks, the progressive left continues to vilify those “truthers” who have pointed a finger at the US-Saudi collaboration that gave rise the most radical elements of Islam – including the CIA directed actions of Osama bin Laden.
Refugees are countries now?
Like Messico sending all their Bad Messicans?
Have a sammich and a lie down.
Hey Mona/Gert,
Fuck off… I mean that in the nicest way!
It took me a while to process how horrendous this is. Trump has initiated an unprecedented geopolitical experiment with consequences we probably can’t even imagine.
There are about a million Iranians in the US, most of whom surely have family in Iran. Iran will likely ban travel from the US, because that’s how reciprocity works. Iranians haven’t carried out terrorist attacks in the US in recent memory, but imagine how they are feeling after being cut off from their families and friends.
There are countries in the list whose governments are somewhat close to the US: Iraq, Libya, Somalia. That’s surely going to change.
Some European countries will follow suit in time. It will be a mess.
From a recent White House strategy session:
T: Why are we bombing them?
M: We’re fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here, Mr. President.
T: Do they have a navy?
M: No.
T: Do they have an airforce?
M: Not really.
T: Then how do they get here? Swim?
M: We give them airline tickets.
T: Stop giving them airline tickets.
Beautiful.
mr gilani u are right , i am from iran
but we dont have much power against usa individualism
So now it’s up front with ” will be , might happen , and beware of ,, NEWS !! ”
THIS RAG IS NOW OFFICIALLY A TAMPON !!
VOTE THE OLD FASHION WAY !!
BUY A GUN TODAY !!
——–http://modernmilitiamovement.com/
http://modernmilitiamovement.com/
That’s why you’re here.
What we SHOULD be about:
https://observergal.blogspot.com/2017/01/bridges-not-walls.html
All invited to visit; would love some comments and encouragement.
average 1,000,000 persons from the south border have invaded the US since 1975. There are 250,000,000 people south of the border living on less that $10 a day. The US is becoming a bigger target as the lying whores in congress grant amnesty. Our resources for life support and comfort are strained, expensive and dwindling. Our level of comfort has slid since 1967. Every generation does worse since WW2. And they border crashers whill not stop – ever.
get the picture?
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/region/LAC
I’m going to assume that your mind has already been made up, and that facts will not get in the way of your faith. But, just in case someone else could be persuaded by your idiocy:
1.) Net Migration from the “South Border” has been at 0 for 8 years.
2.) The reason your resources are strained has nothing to do with Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaruagua etc. In fact, the Dow Jones indicates that our economy is wealthier than it ever has been before.
3.) In 1967 CEO pay to median Worker pay was at around 30:1. CEO pay to Worker pay in 2016 is 300:1 (conservatively).
So – you know that hardship you are suffering? You are blaming the wrong people.
That “net migation from the south border has been at 0 for 8 years” bit came from the same deliberately deindustrializing administration–Obama’s–that told you manufacturing jobs increased under his watch.
The latter even Bloomberg, PRI’s Marketplace, and WYNC’s The Takeaway dispute.
“.. came from the same deliberately deindustrializing administration–Obama’s”
Sounds like you are ‘Inverted’..
https://youtu.be/InaRIYFPMiY
a bullshit production
Si`.. and the illustration you’ve depicted should be entitled ‘Fear Mongering Pap’
Comprende?
Si Hefe ,
Mi abogado hablamos tu abogado .
——–>It’s not the Russians , it’s the damn Mexicans . No wait ,, it’s the Vietnamese ! No , it’s the Sioux , the RUN-AWAY Slaves , the ETC ,,,,
Clinton’s NAFTA made both America and Mexico poorer for 99.9% of us . But Bill , Hill and Chelsea are farting through silk now !!
Maybe instead of blaming poor people who are just as much, if not more, a victim of globalist corporate economics, you should actually blame those responsible for the drop in our standard of living? You know, the CORPORATIONS who have moved jobs overseas to slave labor countries, who have fought tooth and nail against any kind of minimum wage raises, etc? Fuck you.
@Barabbas –
Picture not gotten. And I agree with those who have been saying you’re blaming the wrong folks.
And yup, a wall may not stop all crossers, and think of the money it would cost that could/should be used elsewhere.
As a ‘leftie’ Democrat, I was against all of that – and I let my objections to having my taxes spent thusly be known to all of our elected war criminals (including Murphy) to no avail – almost always without a response.
Let Billary’s ‘humanitarian’ contributors pay for it – they’re the ones who made fortunes off of it, without even paying taxes on their blood money.
Among them is the Saudi Caliphate, for which German companies have built a dandy hi-tech border wall, over/under which not a single Iraqi/Syrian migrant has managed to climb/dig.
Closer to home, we have George Soros and Peter Sutherland – in their houses are many mansions there, with many rooms for the suffering masses they are responsible for having created while raking in their profits.
Is the latter gentleman still with us, I wonder, as not a tweet has been heard from him since last September? But that is the way with gods – we’re never supposed to know that they have died, as gods are never supposed to die.
Can The Intercept please do some divine intervention to discover what has deprived us of Peter’s wisdom for so long? And make itself useful?
T
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I noticed SA missing right away, can’t offend their business partners. Gotta have somebody to buy all the arms, weapons and I guess corn.
Hi great piece so true about Saudi and Iran isil in Iran NO WAKE UP ITS A CON
Last night I sent an email to Trump at the WH making this case re Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. And re the disconnect re Saudi Arabia, birthplace and schoolroom of Al Queda and ISIS. I’m sure someone read it. Probably someone in Saudi Arabia.
Can you read Arabic? If you can, how I admire you – it really should be taught in all of our schools, as we’re going to need it so that we can run away as soon as we hear it.
Please remember what Mother Jones trolled anyone thinking of voting for him with: Trump is really a liberal…
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/donald-trumps-top-ten-liberal-heresies
So it’s going to be all right, libs, President Trump is working in your best interests.
By the Way I understand People Need to go Some where I will say Seniors and Kids Don’t represent a threat to Us Let them In With A Hight Verifycation Clearence that They Won’t be In Contact with any terrorist Group And Could be a good Thing That their Young Are Safe some of them Can Help Us Fight Isis now And Other Terrorist In the Future We can Paid For their Medical Expense it will be Cheaper As well instead of Having a Middle Man and At the End ,We all Know they Won’t Do this For the American People If They where the one Starting a War On USA they Hate America
Naw, send them all to the riyadh caliphate – they’ll be much happier there, those these days they’ll have to pay for their A/C.
So the Jews living in Iran who would rather live in Iran than Israel are free to travel to the USA if they choose to?
I guess it’s really easy to travel from Iran to Israel, right? Or to immigrate without putting in danger everyone you leave behind or losing everything you own? Just curious
Conversely, settling and occupying someone else’s property while destroying everything they own is easier than being a religious minority in a Jewish Nation, I reckon..
The Persian Jews living in a Shia Muslim country consider themselves Iranians.
“It’s complicated!”
“The Persian Jews living in a Shia Muslim country consider themselves Iranians.”
And yet the Jewish population in Iran decreased by 90% since 1979. hmmm
Now living in the USA with their relatives..
Yes because it wasn’t so easy living in Iran any longer. On the other hand the Muslim population in “a Jewish Nation” has greatly increased during the same period of time, and the Bahai faith has their headquarters in “a Jewish Nation” while Bahai in Iran get hung as apostates. But that really wouldn’t interest anybody outside of a small circle of friends.
Oh, absolutely. Arab Muslims, especially children, are treated with total equality and respect by the Jewish-supremacist State of Israel. Why, on why, are Muslims so angry at the ethno-religious, supremacist terrorists and land thieves of Israel?
Israel doesn’t treat it’s Arab population well. Did I make the claim that it does? The US does not treat it’s African American population well.
The Iranian gov’t do not treat Jews or Bahai well.
Jews did leave in great numbers after the Iranian revolution in far greater percentages than left Israel in 1948. And the Bahai were hung as apostates by the Islamic State. Of course that doesn’t interest you Mona. But here read about someone with whom you share a name. And lets see if you can manage to put compassion over politics for a change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad
Why, look at the tenderness with which the Jewish State treats a 100-year-old Bedouin citizen of Israel. Evicting him from his home — because he isn’t Jewish.
Well that’s different
I wonder why “Americans” think people hate “Americans” and even their “founding principles”, too? (please, could they keep the “founding fathers” out of this mess? Most probably, they would be happy to be dead for centuries already)
Probably because “Americans” have been genocidally exterminating them as if they were playing computer games and “freedom-lovingly” destroying their countries based on their playful, self-serving lies. Did “Americans” forget so fast? Is it so hard for “Americans” to at least see some possible cause and effect relationship even if they may lack those things called “humanity” and “empathy”? Now they are even making it official it will be for the oil?
// __ MSNBC: President Donald Trump’s Oil Grab Policy Puts US Troops At Risk | Rachel Maddow
youtube.com/watch?v=TIoAN8GxD7E
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Trump so far has singlehandedly done a great job at helping “Americans” take their minds our of their @ss. All of a sudden “Americans” have realized politicians lie and they even seem to care about it!
Keep pushing “Americans” once you get your heads half way out of your @ss you may realize that Royal Bitch wasn’t really that different, in fact, she had been already much worse! At least the TPP is history! Under Trump orders no one has been killed, yet! I would bet one of my balls Trump will not surpass Obama’s genocide! But, well when Obama was killing people for fun, even realizing “he was much better at killing people than he would have ever imagined” and boasting about droning “Americans” even minors in “American” soil it was all fine and dandy!
RCL
Including Iran on the list is anomalous, and shows a discriminatory association of Islam and terrorism. The other countries are all in some state of civil conflict, but there are no terrorists or refugees coming from Iran. i understand from other reports that the list of countries is based on this “Worldwide Threat Assessment.” But the part about Iran is about the Iranian government’s perceived hostility towards the US. Not terrorists and refugees trying to enter the US. It is just another example of Mr. Trump’s bigotry.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/SASC_Unclassified_2016_ATA_SFR_FINAL.pdf
You’re absolutely right – it’s those damned Methodists we should be worried about – viz.: NYC, Madrid, Boston Marathon, London, Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino, Orlando, Berlin, etc, etc, etc. Something really needs to be done about them – they’re a menace!
If you ponder on it, just a bit, it might come to you why Methodists aren’t angry at the West. Go on, try. I think you can do it.
in re, Timo: “NYC, Madrid, Boston Marathon, London, Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino, Orlando, Berlin, etc, etc, etc. “Something really needs to be done about them – they’re a menace!”
Mona- do you find it interesting, as I do, that no one likes to talk about the fact that every single event that he made note of here- that these “terrorists” were “investigated” by the FBI/DHS for years before these incidents, and as we know, the agencies worked to “flip” them, or otherwise use them as free HUMINT?
Yeah, sure- Methodists are the good guys aright, especially the “better than thou” ones who organize targeted community policing harassment campaigns from their deep goodguy cover in organizations like the the city councils of small town America that target outsiders with extra scrutiny and hidden dossiers- and maybe even re-route the badguys cable at the switch via InfraGard?
Or the various community organizations that participate with crooked cops in whisper campaigns against people with funny accents, and foreign friends? And of course, all those civic minded Rotary, Masons, Shriners, etc- who then wage slander campaigns against dissidents, activists, and generally anyone else who challenges their narrative lockup on goodguyism; and that after the FBI/DHS kicks their “investigation” down to local LEO’s?.
All the good Methodists, Baptists, Catholics- zionists/Messianic Jews-you know, all the God-guys-all seem to overlook that sometimes the weapons used in these international shootings (Paris) trace directly back to the Mossad via a certain Florida arms dealer?
In the cases of Omar Mateen, and Sayed Farook, there was extensive contact with a nutjob community mobbing zionist “Messianic Jew,” and possible contact with Russian mob stuff ( Russian brides) aka ADL/Mossad domestic.
At what point do we make it known that all of those “community policing” and “citizen corps” heroes who target and harass people are actually the primary cause of domestic terror?
And that, after the initial FBI/DHS scheme fails to flip them badguys into “good rats” like everybody else? That these domestic acts are in fact nearly whole cloth creations of the terror state?
Nah- leave organized religion out of it-it’s too complicated! Focus on the black and white of goodguys and badguys, it’s so much easier that way.
Has Trump bombed Iraq yet? If so, it’s five presidents in a row, not four.
So do you agree that people immigrating from these countries could “bear hostile attitudes toward our country and its founding principles” ? Maybe you should address that point first. This is the second article today from this site that fails to refute any of the security concerns these decisions are being based on. By all means, keep calling anyone who supports these decisions a warmongering xenophobic racist. I am sure that will convince more people that the security threat isn’t real.
What the hell are you talking about? What threat? Specify one terrorist incident carried out by asylum seekers.
Not all Orange supporters are warmongering xenophobic racists but all warmongering xenophobic racists voted for the Orange One.
Seems legit you me.
Bush, Hillary and Obama bomb you, we don’t think we want your problems created by them now, when these are gone.
But you can, any time, try to get Madonna, Shia, Streep, women who marched in DC and all the goodie, goodie progressive people in the US adopt you and help you.
You’re much too hard on poor old Billary – she only wanted a good old fashioned land war with Russia in Eastern Europe.
And what about citizens of those countries who actually killed American citizens in numbers inside the US? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? They will continue killing Americans because it’s been a while that they have paid for Republican politicians
What are names of these American citizens that have been killed by ‘they’?
“The draft text of the order was leaked to the Huffington Post and Los Angeles Times. ”
Again, the sources used without further verification, scream Fake News.
Um, no. LAT and HuffPo aren’t innocent babes and know how not to be taken in by bogus documents.
And by the way, “fake news” is a stupid term. Lies or propaganda serve just fine.
Are you suggesting HuffPost is a rag sheet that will say anything that gets the riff-raff in a shit fight with each other just to sell its papers ?
Shortsighted vision. This is exactly what makes US politics so partisan and unable to fix bipartisan abuses, that is, the wars themselves.
When people like you, who I consider among the most important voices opposing US crimes, fail to address the underlying problem, I’m afraid feeling hopeless is inevitable.
The focus on immigration due to US wars is another example where democrats and republicans disagree on specifics but not on overall policy. It is, as you are showing, another example of good journalists being fooled into playing the game war-loving democrats want you to play.
Why is nobody mentioning that once the US successfully starts taking refugees from its wars there is a chance people will be less inclined to stop wars? imagine a country where its people already see themselves as progressive by “setting an example of how to treat refugees”; can you not see how that would make it harder to convince those people that they are still blatant oppressors, that the wars should have been their priority, not the consequences? dead people can’t migrate and many don’t see the US accepting them in exchange for bombing them as anything remotely close to redemption.
US insularity is once again muddling the waters.
It took Europe a migrant crisis for many people to start asking why their representatives support US wars and why they remain engaged in so many conflicts after all these years. Brexit showed much of that sentiment. In your world, where taking refugees is a well established policy, nothing of that would have happened. What would have happened is a mystery, but you never even consider it.
A similar situation happened recently, where the discussion about rampant inequality remained ignored in favor of identity based politics, again epitomizing how dems and republicans often disagree in specifics only. Never mind that the people most affected by inequality are minorities. Only Sanders brought it to the foreground for a few months.
Maybe the Clinton’s can divest the Clinton Foundation and set up a place for them somewhere.
The only way the Clinton’s could “divest” The Clinton Foundation would be if they finally had an audit since it is a tax-exempt non-profit “charity”:
http://usawatchdog.com/clinton-charity-is-massive-global-swamp-charles-ortel/
Very true, and who did most of the bombing? President Barack Obama.
Is that where ~O~’s “refugees” came from?
“Obvious enemy is obvious”, anyone? This is a pretty narrow order, all things considered. I mean, you can scarcely find a piece of software that doesn’t have something in its license forbidding you from exporting it to these countries, but the officials at the border are going to let them come here and buy whatever they want at the store?
If this is all Trump does you should breathe a sigh of relief…
There’s nothing “obvious” about an order that is economic/geopolitical in nature. Visitors from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UEA, Egypt aren’t banned.
It’s kind of understandable. If you ban Saudis, that would create a lot of inconveniences for business people. Saudi Arabia would retaliate and so forth. But now, if there’s a terrorist attack perpetrated by a Saudi, there will be a lot of pressure to add Saudi Arabia to the list. The economic and geopolitical impacts are non-trivial.
As was the case following 9/11.
Oh, wait. . . we have a “special relationship” with the House of Saud. It’s a Valentine’s Day thing.
Retaliate with what? Withholding sand?
Retaliate with reciprocity: By banning Americans from visiting those countries. Saudi Arabia receives 15 million tourists every year or so. I’m certain there’s substantial business travel from the US to Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar.
It could just escalate from there. Like any of Trump’s dangerous ideas, I don’t think we can fully grasp the repercussions right now.
I doubt Trump will really need much persuading to add to the list… I think there is hope that people persecuted for not being Muslims might eventually get through, but at this point my main fear is that the list is going to spread far beyond the Muslim countries. It is one thing to demand “extreme vetting” to see if the people coming from a bombed country are the ones you were trying to bomb. But I have a feeling before this is done that people with “ties to terrorist sympathizers” in any country, like Israelis who once voted for Labour, might be getting stopped by Trump’s minions at the border.
Yes, and buy with benefits paid for with your taxes – enjoy!
Visas and Passports from Staff Statement 1
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_1.pdf
I’m not sure how Trump’s policy would prevent the above behavior.
New TSA policy
Ask people if they are terrorist.
If they say no, an FBI guy asks them if they want to be an informer..
If they say yes, the CIA guy signs them up for training
Michael Springmann was ordered by high level State Department officials to give visas to 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers even though they should not have received them.
Springmann, formerly headed the American visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The BBC quotes Springmann talking about the frustrations he encountered while trying to keep the visa issuance above the board:
“In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General’s office. I was met with silence.”
– BBC News Source: “former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springmann”.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112012/cia-911-visas-tk.php
Yes, I found Springmann’s story to be very compelling. If true, it provides alot of support for the claim that US State Department and intelligence officials wittingly facilitated the attacks of 911 by operatives who were funded by the Saudis.
NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF……..bombing and killing unarmed or under armed forces and civilians
Hey, but at least we stopped that neoliberal harridan, right? Zero difference whatsoever between her and Trump.
Also missing: Pakistan and Afghanistan. This makes zero sense.
It makes slightly more sense when one dwells on the fact we have business associations in both of the countries you mention, to varying degrees of legitimacy.
Pakistan is too big and there’s probably a lot of business travel between Pakistan and the US. Afghanistan is a bit surprising, though. There has to be a reason for the exclusion.
Heroin.They has it.
“Heroin.They has it.”
Afghanis grow opium and it is processed by Pakistanis; been that way forever.
afgan sure
paki, not really a warzone
If memory serves me well, I can recall a pilot who commented they re bombed certain parts of Afghanistan on our initial invasion shortly after 9/11, effectively making access for the TAPI pipeline easier for the Big Oil to construct their pipeline.
IBTimes has a good article on this, it’s pretty funny, well sort of:
http://www.ibtimes.com/trump-muslim-ban-how-did-president-select-countries-halt-immigration-2481331
Just a cheap political circus event to appease his most xenophobic supporters while avoiding upsetting the investment bankers overseeing all the Saudi & Qatari cash funds.
smart.
very smart.
it’s what i would do.