While Donald Trump was reviving both the Dakota Access and Keystone XL pipelines, muzzling federal employees, freezing EPA contracts, and first telling the EPA to remove mentions of climate change from its website — and then reversing course — many of the scientists who work on climate change in federal agencies were meeting just a few miles from the White House to present and discuss their work.
The mood was understandably gloomy at the National Conference and Global Forum on Science, Policy, and the Environment. “I don’t know what’s going to happen. No one knows what’s going to happen,” one EPA staffer who works on climate issues told me on Tuesday, as she ate her lunch. She had spent much of her time in recent weeks trying to preserve and document the methane-related projects she’s been working on for years. But the prevailing sense was that, Trump’s claims about being an environmentalist notwithstanding, the president is moving forward with his plan to eviscerate environmental protections, particularly those related to climate change, and the EPA itself.
“It’s strange,” the woman said. “People keep walking up to me and giving me hugs.” Like several others I spoke to for this story, she declined to tell me her name out of fear that she might suffer retaliation, including being fired. She was not being paranoid. Already, agency higher ups had warned the EPA staff against talking to the press, or even updating blogs or issuing news releases. “Only send out critical messages, as messages can be shared broadly and end up in the press,” said one EPA missive that was shared broadly and ended up in the press. And while the staffer was at the meeting, the EPA’s new brass issued another memo to staff requiring all regional offices to submit a list of external meetings and presentations, noting which might be controversial and why.
The directives have left scientists fearing reprisal for merely mentioning the global crisis that has been at the center of their professional lives for years. It’s the topic “whose name cannot be uttered,” as one Forest Service employee put it to me. A nearby USDA employee offered a series of euphemisms — “extreme weather events, very unusual patterns,” he riffed — before turning serious. “I’m actually scared to talk to you,” he said, turning his hanging name tag inward and backing away from me. The look in his eyes and the tight smiles I received from several federal employees after introducing myself as a reporter reminded me of interviewing scientists in China. My presence inspired fear.
Afraid or not, many federal researchers continued doing their jobs despite the impending doom, presenting research on everything from disease-causing mosquitos to heat waves, decreasing water availability, and toxic algal blooms — all issues that have become dramatically more important as the earth has warmed.
With the dark political backdrop, the hub of productive energy at the conference, which was co-sponsored by the EPA, NASA, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the Forest Service, brought to mind a cartoon character whose feet continue to frantically pedal in the air even after he’s gone off the cliff.
Among the meeting’s attendees, who included researchers from academia, the private sector, and government, there was no discussion of whether climate change is real, no tangled Kremlin-speak suggesting that “the ability to measure and pursue the degree and the extent of that impact and what to do about it are subject to continuing debate and dialogue,” as Scott Pruitt, Trump’s nominee to head the EPA, put it in his confirmation hearing last week.
Instead the scientists were focused on the measurable and indisputable changes they’ve observed — how habitat changes have resulted in epidemics of plague in prairie dogs that can spread the disease to humans, for instance, or the way that algal blooms on lakes have impacted the fishing industry. Indeed, the breadth of the climate science at the conference spoke to the absurdity that even someone as powerful as the president of the United States could undo it. The Senate held its first hearing on climate change more than 30 years ago, and in the intervening years, as understanding of our warming planet has grown, the government has not only collected precise measurements of vanishing arctic ice, rising sea levels, increasing global temperatures, river flooding, drought, and heavy rain, it has used that data to understand the short- and long-term consequences of the phenomenon.
As a report I picked up at one of the tables, “The Impacts of Climate Change on Human Health in the United States,” makes clear, these many objective phenomena have health consequences “now and in the future.” Among those listed were heat-related illness and death, drowning and injuries from flooding, lung and respiratory diseases due to worsening air quality, intestinal illnesses and blood stream infections from water-related infections, water-borne infections, and Lyme disease.
That report was a collaboration of 11 federal agencies, including the Departments of Energy, Transportation, Commerce, Defense, Health and Human Services, Energy, State, and the Interior, many of which have been working on ways to avert and address further disastrous impacts. Scientists have come up with specific plans for disposing of our waste in a hotter world, for instance, and have identified people most vulnerable to climate change (such as kids and the elderly). They have calculated and prepared for increased amounts of storm water and developed an integrated heat health information system that includes air quality forecasts and resources for heat waves.
This data visualization shows the record low Arctic sea ice extent on Aug. 26, 2012. With less ice to reflect sunlight, larger areas of open water absorb more of the sun’s heat. This heat slowly escapes into the atmosphere, causing atmospheric heating during the Arctic autumn.
Image: Scientific Visualization Studio, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
For those who spend their professional lives focusing on this complex web of interconnected phenomena causing and resulting from climate change, denial and the censoring of the term puts them at war with observable reality. Whether they can utter the word “climate” or not, the fire season will still be 78 days longer than it was in the 1970s, as a Forest Service employee pointed out to me. (A 2015 report from the agency confirmed his point.) And last year will still have been the hottest year on record, following the one before that, and the one before that — knowledge we have thanks to research from NASA and the federal National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration.
The question that hovered over what is likely the last EPA-sponsored conference on the environment and health, at least for a while, was what would happen to all this research as Trump moves forward. In a luncheon keynote speech on Wednesday, Newt Gingrich seemed to acknowledge that the new president would likely cut at least some government funding for environmental research. Gingrich, whose fee for speaking at events in Washington, D.C. recently increased to $25,000 based on his “insight into Trump,” urged scientists to “defend what you do.” In his seemingly off-the-cuff remarks, Gingrich suggested that environmental scientists not dwell on the imminent decrease in government funding for their work but instead be cheered by the “enormous opportunity” to get private sector funding. The statement elicited a snort of derision from someone at a table near mine.
The extent to which Trump will decimate government efforts to protect people and the planet from climate change and other environmental problems remains to be seen. In the meantime, work continued. At the conference on Wednesday, a young woman gave out publications including a booklet called “Science Matters” from the EPA’s display table. While a nearby giant screen flashed colorful aerial images from NASA satellites of shrinking sea ice in the arctic and global air pollution, she said, “we’re just doing our jobs until we hear otherwise.”
Top photo: Polar Field Services science technician Hannah James hikes to collect a snow sample at Summit Station, a remote outpost in Greenland, July 15, 2015. Summit Station is one of several Greenland sites where researchers gather data that will improve climate models and help predict climate change affecting future generations.
remains a faith issue with a huge following of sheeple believing – to bad this energy could not be deflected from this red herring onto real man-made issues killing the planet e.g. the Fuku Flu.
Why do people believe this crap?
…..you should read more…you can read, right?
Because it’s a simple fact.
Because it is basic schoolboy level physics.
Because it’s been known and understood for over a century.
Because now anyone can see what is happening with their own eyes.
Why do you believe the fossil fuel corporations ahead of your own eyes?
You need to read some high school level physics and steer clear of the fossil fuel denier-blogs. And you need to open your eyes. You are being played for a gullible sucker.
The OSC can and will protect whistleblowers
yes its easy to sock-puppet here but that doesnt make it right
There has to be something afoot besides stupidity for climate science deniers to continue lying as the weather changes keep hitting them upside their head – but what? How about they are preparing to get the dumb&dumbers in congress to tax Americans to replace their wealth losses for their “non” mistakes by calling the losses UNPREDICTABLE? example – “i lost my $10M mansion at the beach and want to be repaid for my loss“.
I suspect it is simply money (trite usual suspect) and a lack of wanting to explain candidly the realities assoc w/ the removal of certain sources of energy that are used elsewhere.
I wonder too if “climate denier” “[fill in the blank] denier” is being abused?
If we get coal and oil out of the energy market and mix what are we left with? Then how much will consumer products cost that rely on coal and oil for material?
10 billion people on earth soon; will iPhones for everyone of those folks be sustainable along with the planned obsolescence biz growth model – w/ or w/o coal & oil? And on another depressing note: go to a landfill and watch the trucks go in & out. :(
On local / regional weather changes: shit is fucking killing me, of course the climate is changing and wreaking havoc on my sinus cavity making me a mouth breather. Fuck!
http://www.weatheraction.com/ judith curry and Piers Corbyn global warming is a lie CO2 follows temp not the other way around
Oh please. Not the ‘CO2 lags” BS again.
You are being played for a sucker and a fool.
If you are going to parrot denier-blog BS from Curry et al at least try to find a meme that hasn’t been falsified like a million times already. It just gets to be like shooting rats in a barrel if you try to use these old cliched 1990’s talking points.
This post is so full of contradictions, it is amazing.
I guess that’s what you get when, most probably, BA in English journalist starts writing ideologically biased articles about climate science.
Name some?
Do you own homework
Sharon Lerner is an award-winning journalist who holds a Masters of Public Health degree from Columbia University. Among her awards is the Ray Brunner Science Writing Award from the American Public Health Association.
What are your credentials that merit anyone accepting your unsupported assertions?
T’is the post-credentials era, Mona. Far more important to believe what some neutrino flying to your brain causes you to believe.
“through”
Sorry, I don’t follow the ever great deeds of your celebrities.
Are you talking about this banker?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2017/01/04/new-ceo-at-west-aircomm.amp.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
It’s the Ray Bruner Science Writing Award actually. So no. Nice try.
So you are now accusing get me because Mona can’t spell?
You have serious reading difficulties, Tony. Where did I do that?
It is simple logic.
You never adressed Mona’s misspelling while you addressed mine in order to demonstrate how wrong I am.
No. I demonstrated you were wrong. Nothing more.
You only demonstrated that my response to Mona’s misspelling was wrong.
Had you googled “Ray Brunner Science Writing Award” you’d have found the misspelling and that Ray Bruner ain’t no banker.
Yet you call Sharon Lerner stupid. I think we can all see who’s the stoopit here.
Lol, riding the links, you and she is even more stupid than I possibly imagined.
We really don’t need hard working illiterate Mexicans in this country
We just need to get you stupid, entitled trash to go digging ditches, instead of pretending you need high paying government and media jobs in order to feed the trash such as you are.
tony tony tony
bla bla bla?
i am going to assume that you didnt make it thru school and accused your teachers of giving you bad grades for ideologically biased readings of your talk science.
Cheapo
tony is right, climate science goes thru the justice league and Iron Man before the coeds get to mess with it
No.
Funny and sounding truthful at the same time.
Quoting:
‘climate change, denial and the censoring of the term’
Denial or skepticism, or just basically uncertainty, don’t mean the same in English.
And I really don’t know who’s been censoring her BS in the last 16 years.
Obviously, nobody is, even nowadays.
She is very obviously referring to what is happening under Trump. You are aware WH pages on ACG were deleted almost immediately after the inauguration, right?
i’m Gert after a month of sniffing glue
Yes, I am aware of that.
And I’m also saying that Sharon is stupid, poorly educated in sciences, should never had a public job, should never be writing articles for the Intercept.
You’ve provided no proof at all that what was written here is in any way false or contradictory. Ms. Lerner, OTOH, has provided link after link with undisputed facts about the effects of climate change. But then, you don’t seem to be very literate.
You are too stupid to event understand the meaning of the term undisputed facts.
That the earth is spherical is disputed by some. But not by anyone serious. Disputation proves nothing.
And meanwhile the Earth continues to warm, the ice continues to melt, the seas continue to rise and CO2 levels go up and up.
You should bare in mind that your children or grandchildren will be able to search your comments (if they survive). Won’t they be proud to know that their Grandfather was a stunningly ignorant climate change denier.
Sharon Lerner won a science writing award, and your response to her heavily sourced and well-reasoned piece has been nothing but a litany of personal insults and silly attention to my misspelling of a proper noun. That’s likely because you are a vacuous Trumper who has no facts and poor reasoning skills.
You can give her all the awards you want.
She is still basically stupid and poorly educated woman.
I know that is, by itself, worthy of award among dumbgucks like you.
Not anymore ‘hon’. Eventually you would have to start really working for a living. It’s tough, I know
Quite a mind-reader, aren’t you?
I’ve been exposed to cheesy sophist tricks and sound bites probably even before you were born.
Otoh, it most probable that you are just stupid and uneducated
You’re likely to be very old, if so.
I think someone’s pulling y’alls’ collective legs. ;-}
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/26/government-scientists-at-u-s-climate-conference-terrified-to-speak-with-the-press/?comments=1#comment-345290
Tony have you thought that this article may seem badly written only because you may be a person with a limited ability to read. In fact a lot of people who cannot read graphs keep claiming the climate is cooling despite the graphic evidence.
I always knew you are a genius. Now go clean trash in your garage.
Can’t we all just get along? We’re all going to be dead soon so let’s try and show each other a little love and understanding.
IMPORTANT!
Winter storms are causing unavoidable service delays in the Northwest, Midwest, and Northeast areas.
Climate change deniers can continue to deny all they want, but the real world consequences of climate change will catch up to everyone eventually. How many people have died or experienced devastating losses just in the last month due to changing weather patterns? Tens if not 100’s of thousands. And the beat goes on…
Well, anyway. What happened was this:
Several thousand years ago a large comet came through the system and fragments of it impacted on the North American Ice sheet. At that time, the ice covering parts of north America and Canada was approximately 2 miles thick and sea levels maybe six or seven hundred feet lower, low enough to expose the continental shelves as well as the mid-Atlantic rift.
The impacts led to massive ice melt and MASSIVE flooding with flood waters maybe as high as a thousand feet scouring the North American continent. This was the initial precipitating event of climate change. The climate changed over night. Since then the climate has been oscillating or “ringing” somewhat as the main impetus has faded gradually, devolving into various cyclical oscillations.
It isn’t just the climate that changed. The North American continent has risen as the ice melted and filled the ocean basins. The added water in the ocean basins has raised the sea level over 600 feet and submerged the mid-Atlantic ridge, not just by rising water levels, but also because of the added weight.
The current thinking is that we may be heading into a new ice age. The ocean currents distribute heat globally if those currents change significantly the climate will also likely change. Some people think there is evidence that the ocean currents may be faltering, the problem is it will take decades or more to find out and there isn’t much you can do about it anyway.
You are full of SHIT !!
Most of it is pretty well known. The bit about the comet is becoming more widely known.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8398-failing-ocean-current-raises-fears-of-mini-ice-age/
The climate changed over night. Since then the climate has been oscillating or “ringing” somewhat as the main impetus has faded gradually, devolving into various cyclical oscillations.
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And I bet you’ve done a Fourier analysis of these various cyclical oscillations RIGHT ?
look pal ,, stop trying to CRAP-HIGHER-THAN-YOUR-AHOLE !!
If you were going to model it, you would start with a Dirac Delta function. Then move into the Heat Equation. Once you have the basic model set up you could use FFT to optimize it.
Or you could build an analog model.
That’s quite a pile of unsupported assertions you’ve got going there. Are you a scientist in a field which allows you to interpret your purported facts — to whatever extent they are true — in a coherent narrative?
As a reasonable person I do not accept non-obvious, unsupported claims about the natural world.
He’s a PHONY
Sounds more like Scientology than science to me…
Yeah ,, Hubbard really knew how to sell a cult , Right ?
Just put TOLOGY and SCIENCE together and the Dilettantes will come a-running !!
Anyone for a river baptism ? Dem waters will set ya’ll free !!
several thousand years ago, Optimus Prime and the Autobots came to earth to forge a new alliance with humanity
Mr. Si1ver1ock,
Like after-shocks? nope. That is not what is happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/26/geoengineering-could-offer-solution-last-resort-climate-change
it’s bad, real real real bad. Think, if we adapt our methods and economies to the pollution, then find a way to rid the atmos of pollution, we wont be able to do so and will be forced to pollute to replace the lost pollution to keep the adapted methods and economies stable.
I wrote about part of the solution earlier in the thread,basically, LFTRs and hydrogen.
We are looking at over 10,000 LFTR style nuclear reactors within the next 15 to 20 years. If people were serious, they would be on top it right now instead of just flapping their gums.
Simply converting the cement industry over to nuclear would be step forward. The direct heat of the reactor could be used without the need to turn it into electricity and back into heat. Google Portland Cement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BomvN0XDmCE
lol. And here you have it folks. A truly classic example of the complete and utter shit that the denial industry shills have been spewing out on a daily basis for decades now.
Just amazing really. Do they really think that anyone reading such total garbage is going to be convinced?
Jesus wept. You are truly an embarrassment to the US.
Red scare 2.0 used to smear opponents of fracking
Environmental activists now deal with overt, crude, jack-booted-thug tactics. But neoliberals — including Hillary Clinton — have been lobbing a more polished and insidious attack for some time. Jacobin:
The immediate, urgent danger is the irrational and anti-fact Trump and his supporters. But hopefully a newly energized and politically activated scientific community will also stand strong against the more sophisticated but also dangerous neoliberals.
These scares always become coathangers for other smears.
Hellary: accepts ACG, proposes more fracking!
Dear Lord!
Congress is getting ready to transfer land to the states to be sold to the highest bidder.
ALERT: Wilderness hater @jasoninthehouse just introduced two bills to dispose of public lands.
Bill #1: H.R.621 – To direct @Interior to sell certain Fed lands in AZ, CO, ID, MT, NW, NV, NM, OR, UT, and WY,
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/621
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/622
(Sorry for the missing blockquotes in above comment :-s)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10cmFKG3t30XAGQEHNyaVf3DZpx2cJOClgmKdJHCuIuA/preview
Why is this important? We – the collective “we” as in, you and me, the so-called “common people” – have 100’s of millions of acres of public, federally controlled lands. National Parks (like Yellowstone), National Forests and BLM. The BLM = Bureau of Land Management. It represents/manages mixed used, public land. The land that we, as a nation, collectively own.
Each of these is federally managed to different degrees and regulations. But the National Forests and BLM lands don’t require any payment to enter. They’re yours. Just go be on them. Camp on them. Hike. Hunt. Fish. THEY. ARE. YOURS.
They also support resource exploration, oil rigs, grazing rights, etc, leased from you, the taxpayer, to a company that follows strict EPA etc regulations. We share and use these lands, not just in a tree-hugging way, but in a societal way.
The moment these lands go back to the states, they get sold-off, not leased. They’re gone forever. Regulations? Forget about it. So we should be concerned that the only place we’ll get to go to be outside will be after paying a ranger at a gate to have a protected experience. Over 600M acres, are at risk.
What can you do?
1. Support @TheTRCP & orgs like http://Keepitpublic.org
2. Call your Senator and Reps and say NO DIVESTMENT OF FEDERAL LAND
And, lastly, go be on the public land this weekend and be fully in awe of the fact that as an American you own it.
(The above is a lightly edited TL from Sean Vanaman, @vanaman)
thanks!
RICH MAN: I can pay 1/2 of em to kill the other 1/2 !!!
How can you possibly pay half em ,, mister Rich Man ?
RICH MAN: I run the PROTECTION SCAM and collect from all of em
What if all of em refuse to pay ?
RICH MAN: I make THE OFFER EM CAN NOT REFUSE !
And what is that offer ?
RICH MAN: Torture Avoidance . And HD-V&R Power Point Presentations of Gagged and Un-Gagged-Non-Compliants .
Oh .
@Pedinska
Please do continue! The many scientists speaking out against the new repression — and defending the truth of scientific research and consensus — need to be heard.
And at this site, we need to hear from scientists like you, Pedinska. Many seem very confused about what science is. As if it’s just a long list of facts rather than a method.
Scientists adhere to a very particular way of discovering truth, a method that is incredibly powerful and fruitful. We war on science at our very great peril.
:-)
Remember when they used to burn books?
Apparently the initial account writers were NPS employees, but that changed yesterday due to pressure being put on their colleagues.
As a lifelong chemist I find this US conservative-led war on science deeply troubling and climate science is not the only field affected by it, by far.
Faith-based thinking is going to set us back by centuries, while Big Oil and Big Corp will continue to use actual science to find and extract more oil or develop ever more lethal weapon systems.
The 4th generation nuclear weapons.
A chemist? Fie! And to think that Trumper “Karl” insists you and I are one and the same.
I’d wanted to be a physical anthropologist as an adolescent, but hit high school chemistry and discovered the unfortunate reality that I suck at it and other disciplines necessary to most scientific fields.
If only I could have been you! I’d have followed the Leakeys to the Olduvai Gorge.
If you want (anecdotal) evidence of the non-evidence based ‘thinking’ of many Trumpkins, look no further than ‘Ka-Pizzagate-rl’.
Is chemistry different than cooking ? I know of no chemist who is a scientist !——- Sheldon Cooper
Mudbiscuit`
“Quotes” & Links?!
.. and here it was a few weeks last that you were chastising the class for such blatant indiscretions!! (insert happyface here)
dong`r
The Big Bang ceased to be funny after about one season. As so many novelty US sitcoms.
Much of the comedy in the older Big Bang episodes is above your head.
I bet shows without a laugh track really stump you.
They happen to be my favourites, actually/
BB is mostly pap.
Faith-based thinking is going to set us back by centuries.. grrt`
Amen, Brother Luv!!
One wonders if Orange Julius will initiate a creed to scrap the unconstitutional ‘Faith Based Initiative Act’?
“We want to fund programs that save Americans
one soul at a time.” -gwbush
“As a lifelong chemist ”
C’mon mona, nobody says, “as a lifelong chemist” …
‘Splain?
“‘Splain?”
You make my point. Mona , you can’t just assume a character and then spew pseudo-authoritative BS.
It is disingenuous behavior.
Who assume(s) a character and then spew(s) pseudo-authoritative BS?
In addition to being an antisemite, nuf is a Truther who believes he, like Karl Rove, “has the math.”
Ah. t’Wos the Mossad wot did it!”
Or Bush to start wars on behalf of Israel. Somefink like that…
USS Liberty, anyone? ;^)
“I find this US conservative-led war on science deeply troubling…”
As do I. I’m actually become quite concerned at the increase in churches in rural areas of California over my lifetime. It signals a return to deciding that something that has no basis in reality and relies on what is purported to happen after we’re dead is somehow better at solving problems than actually understanding what’s going on and addressing it.
Bars and saloons used to outnumber churches here handily; and while they certainly have their downside, at least one can awaken from an all-nighter brought on by yesterdays issues to fight again another day. Churches abdicate that fight – forever.
*I’ve not I’m…geezus.
What a “coincidence” that this US-style ‘protestantism’ has been co-opted by Big Capital, eh?
“Scientists adhere to a very particular way of discovering truth, a method that is incredibly powerful and fruitful. We war on science at our very great peril.”
Yes.
When I describe the math behind the collapsing towers, as well as the science behind Material Strength, in layman terms, what motivates you to label me a “crank”?
I received my professional engineering training, i.e. scientist status, through HP long before Carly Fiorina flew that airship into a mountainside on a clear day. I’ve continued my education and do research in extractive metallurgy, with an emphasis on hydro-metallurgy technology, at the graduate level. I’m one technical elective shy of an MS in engineering. I might go back to get it but the PC bullshit drove me out and I am employable as if I had the title.
With the immortal words of Bill Nye the Science Guy, “Science Rules!”.
Where have you done that?
Yup. There are some qualified troofers. Truly bizarre…
i’d be more impressed if you could get my hp printer to work
“Many seem very confused about what science is.”
science is modifying an organism’s dna before completely understanding its genome
i think that one’s more on the corporations, but granted they don’t seem to have a problem recruiting people to do the work for them.
“Already, agency higher ups had warned the EPA staff against talking to the press, or even updating blogs or issuing news releases. ”
I’ll say this about the Putinistas – they get things done.
The PC Party prefers to whisper that global warming is bad for us, but insists we still need “all of the above” energy. These hypocrites who chose a corporatist for their candidate, lost to a fascist instead. Thanks, Dummocraps!
People are waking up and starting to have interesting conversations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9sGI5kiRbE
Yes.
There was an earlier discussion about how to label Trump’s behavior :
-Mona- ? Aggrieved
January 26 2017, 10:51 p.m.
It looks to this non-psychiatrist like narcissistic personality disorder with delusions of grandeur. A family member (through marriage) has that and she really believes the bizarre, inflated things she claims about herself — and becomes quite affronted if you express any skepticism
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I asked the following :
Like what sort of things ?
My daughter got married , 2nd time , to a guy who goes on WEEKEND PATRIOT WAR GAME outings . When I mentioned this to her mom ( my 1st ex-wife ) the response was ” Well that’s just Mark .”
Whose crazier ? Mark or my 1st ex-wife ?
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I should have asked whose craziness is most dangerous ? Mark’s active craziness or my 2nd ex-wife’s passive craziness ? And to whom is the most craziness most dangerous to ?
2nd ex-wife
s/b
1st ex-wife
My 2nd ex-wife was quite sane as for as I could determine . She asked for and paid for the divorce !!!
Several days ago, after tweeting out a set of facts about climate change, the US National Park Service twitter account for Badlands National Park was shuttered. Rather than accept this course of events, a group of non-governmental employees took up the challenge and took action, creating the first Alt-gov account, @AltNatParkSer, laying down the gauntlet:
Using an effective mix of humor and facts, they laid out the parameters of the fight quite succinctly,
Indeed. Since then the group has grown to 50 alternative accounts, many of them linked in some way to official governmental organizations, and the number is still growing.
https://twitter.com/StollmeyerEU/lists/twistance/members
Come for the facts and stay for the silliness (or vice versa):
https://twitter.com/AltNatParkSer
They’re now up to 1.25 million followers.
Pardon me for continuing with these, but the awesome sense of humor is, I believe, one of the keys to maintaining the energy level that will be needed to sustain this fight:
“Then maybe the gov (Mexican) there might start protecting US, their customer, instead of trying to invade occupy and dominate.”
-barabbas
More disingenuous pap from the resident fear-monger..
I’m not an expert on climate science, so I generally accepted the consensus of scientists who had spent years studying the issue.
Now that all government employed scientists, and perhaps even those who simply receive government funding for research, will sign a pledge stating that climate science is a fraud, the situation has changed somewhat.
However, I will remain consistent and support the (new) consensus.
However, I will remain consistent and support the (new) consensus.
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Good one Benny !
Let’s call it————————
THE NEW AND IMPROVED PATRIOTISM
No one need be an expert on climate change…simply observe the obvious. Both poles are losing ice at an alarming rate and sea level is increasing, as indicated by flooding of islands and storm surges reaching farther inland…glaciers are becoming extinct. The rationale for climate change may be debatable, but most scientists agree that climate change is occurring.
That was in the past. Those who need a salary are likely to revise their opinion.
I read or heard this somewhere/time :
RICH MAN: I can pay 1/2 of em to kill the other 1/2 !!!
As a scientist myself, I will note that when your entire pushback against a set of notions consists of stamping your foot and yelling “Shut the fuck up”, as opposed to presenting rational arguments, you should not be surprised to find it backfires.
http://www.livescience.com/57629-scientists-planning-washington-march.html
Scientists tend to believe they are experts in their field and therefore have a right to talk about it. However, they are not trained in communicating with the public, which means their assertions may easily be misunderstood, clouding and confusing public debate on important issues. A better system is for the scientists to report their findings to their bureaucratic superiors, who then communicate with the people in clear, unambiguous terms.
Science is often a process of incremental advances, sometimes in false directions requiring a retrenchment before a new direction can be explored. Often a scientist will say something like, ‘we don’t really know the answer to that yet’. Science is full of contradictions and uncertainties and exposing the general public to these defects only serves to undermine public confidence. The scientists who are protesting are well meaning but misguided.
Most scientists ARE experts in their field. I would say that it’s the public that doesn’t understand how to interpret and question scientific results. However, fake science began with the advent of USA’s government research in nuclear radiation in the 1940s, assuring the public that all was fine. Next came tobacco industries’ notoriously hiding of detrimental health findings. Fake science precedes “alternative facts” by many decades and is now a mainstay of many government and corporate research-findings’ propaganda. So, I definitely can understand how the general public feels misled at times, but is it any different than politics, economics, real estate, or most other topics? It’s always wise to investigate things for oneself and form an educated opinion, rather than accepting the spoon-fed.
Scientists certainly can be, and have been, peddlers of falsehood driven by ideological or pecuniary interests. But those pushing back and revealing their wayward colleagues’ lies and distortions are also scientists.
Yes, those scientists pushing-back on the fake science have their ethics in tact, unlike the fakers!
Exxon knew about climate change in 1981, but funded deniers for 27 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding
Here is their web page:
http://www.scientistsmarchonwashington.com/
Slightly O/T: found on Pharyngula; The Netherlands introduces itself to DJT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc
Can we just say:’America First and The Netherlands second? It’s gonna be great!’
The left’s favorite planetarium manager confuses inter-taxa gene fusion edits with selective breeding:
_”Neil deGrasse Tyson Tells GMO Critics to ‘Chill Out’“_
“The Cosmos star says we’ve been genetically modifying our food for ‘tens of thousands of years.'” -Business Insider
“The Cosmos star says we’ve been genetically modifying our food for ‘tens of thousands of years.’”
We have.
Not sure if you’re joking, but no we haven’t! There’s a big difference between cross-breeding, eg cross-pollination, compared to inserting foreign genes into organisms’ genetic sequences, ie a Genetically Modified Organism (GMO). Human genes inserted into plants, insects, etc, can occur no other way than through artificial gene insertion, and the products derived from these insertions are the basis for most biotechnology products. The herbicide glyphosate (RoundUp) is used on crops having a gene insertion derived from bacteria inserted into various grains, beans, sugar beets, cotton, alfalfa, and canola. These glyphosate resistant, genetically altered crop seeds are sold by Monsanto.
No, I wasn’t joking. Cross-breeding is a form of GMO, albeit far less pin-pointed than actual GMO.
There are reasons to object to GMO but they aren’t safety related.
” Cross-breeding is a form of GMO, ”
You know how you mention above you couldn’t hack Chemistry …
well, Biology ain’t in your wheelhouse either …
cross-breeding is not gene splicing.
(over 90% of sugar which is not cane-sourced is GMO)
genetic mutation via carcinogens could also be considered GMO
since Gert has been a chemist all her life, maybe she huffs glue to create GMO-Gert
Where did I say that “cross-breeding equals gene splicing”?
Cross-breeding and gene-splicing are two different ways to achieve a similar result. GMO is a far more precise way of doing so. Cross-breeding will remain the more practiced way, for self-evident reasons.
Nor did I say or imply “I couldn’t hack chemistry” anywhere. That’s beyond absurd. You’d know that if you knew a tenth of what I am.
Salon.com giggles the Tea Party all the way into the White House, and now this. When has the progressive left and its poet science wannabees ever been correct about anything?
_”Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013′“_
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm
Climate change deniers and Holocaust deniers have one thing in common. Like the latter they believe finding one flaw in the theory somehow invalidates ALL of the theory and evidence. It doesn’t.
I feel very unsimpathetic toward these “climate scientists “, they’ve had 30+ years to “convince” Americans through facts and haven’t been able to prove their case.
We’ve spent millions perhaps billions on research and propaganda masquerading as a PR campaign to convince America of some as yet seen looming catastrophe. I’m not going to provide any links but just go to YouTube and search “global warming hoax” and you will find plenty of “scientists” bloviating about the end of the world… In the 1980’s!
These “scientists ” are only scared of losing their gravy train and soapbox.
sure they’ve made their case, that’s why every major scientific body endorses it. science isn’t done on youtube, and scientists haven’t predicted the end of the world due to global warming, on youtube or anywhere else. whether people believe the science or not, it’s still right. you can disbelieve in gravity all you want, but if you jump off a building you will fall.
If they were serious they would be going nuclear and hydrogen, instead they are talking about pulling $25 trillion dollars worth of coal and oil out of the US and Canada. If you watch carefully one of the callers calls Mr. Moore out on the numbers. Basically, if there is $25 trillion worth of hydrocarbons why do the citizens only get $2 trillion while the rest ($23 trillion) is “privatized?” Why should the lion’s share of that resource go to Big Oil? Why not have a sovereign wealth fund like other oil rich nations?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?421959-4/washington-journal-stephen-moore-discusses-president-trumps-economic-policies
You might want to ask yourself why there is so much more resistance among the general plublic of the ‘exceptional’ nation than in RoW.
One factor (among many) might be the efforts of a very large and popular rightwing canble ‘news’ network that constantly gives a platform to often paid for shills of Big Oil.
The “humans” that run the US government are not people as you know it. They are not about “living”. They are about surviving and filling a void of life with a suitable replacement largely consisting of adornments much like a pet dog feels when getting petted. They exist. They have no purpose in life but to serve their master. What they like most is the umbilical cord that prevents them from having to suffer the anxiety of unemployment which terrifies them so much that they go to any lengths to get into and remain in the collective.
The US govt itself is also the world’s largest communist operation as all offices are owned or controlled by the collective. The compensation scheme is completely socialistic. Yet the collective denies that sort of security and comfort to the population they are supposed to represent – which makes it the world’s largest REFUGE. All the population has to do is feed it.
The real issue here is that Warren Buffet and the Koch Brothers are on the same page and Donald Trump has rolled over for them, just like Barak Obama did. But these elite wealthy interests, they don’t have much holding them up. What are they going to do when the public outrage hits French Revolution levels?
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/01/johnson-elites-eying-exits-signals-americas-crisis.html
No more Swiss bank accounts to hide your dirty money in, gotta sell off all those mansions and run for cover. Got an exit strategy? Compare and contrast the Russian oligarchs, and the American oligarchs – Zuckerberg trying to run off to Hawaii, Elon Musk doubling down on manufacturing and spaceX and Tesla, Pierre Omidyar doing what? Who DO you think you’re fooling?
Some of the people all of the time, All of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time, Pierre.
Yves Smith
January 25, 2017 at 4:59 pm
These aren’t 1%. They are 0.1%. And Omidyar is big on this, he has multiple homes well stocked in all sorts of isolated places.
You are missing that the New Yorker and Johnson says this is pretty prevalent in the 0.1%. And these people have better access to information than the rest of us and many of them have made their money by making astute bets about the future.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/01/johnson-elites-eying-exits-signals-americas-crisis.html
So you bought a line into the media system, Scahill and Greenwald, so what. Ebay Zurich, is it?
sure thing.
but here is the solution.
they have to leave the country.
they have to take all their currency with them.
we nationalise the federal reserve and charge try and imprison the thieves that have robbed America.
THEN WE CHANGE THE CURRENCY but only for Americans within the borders of America.
think of it as a REBOOT.
NASA’s “Images of Change”
While it’s still there, do have a look at this slide show..
Below, coram reported that the top administrative staff at State have resigned en masse, to which pretzelattack responded:
In fact, of course (as pretzelattack well knows), it’s a cool and refreshing breeze. Vicky “fuck-the-EU” Nuland will now be able to devote full time to her cookie business.
Get used to a new name: Chrystia Freeland
Our petty, pathetic Leader
National Park Service employees are expressing horror at their boss’s attack on science, while he also wants them to help him lie for the most trivial or reasons: Trump pressured parks chief for photos to prove ‘media lied’ about inauguration crowd – report
So, Donald Trump ordered the Park Service to provide him with — wait for it! — fake news!
His head is gonna explode. I’m growing more confident daily.
It really is. He cannot tolerate exposure to any facts showing his deep unpopularity. So he goes into a rage, looking for federal employees to provide him with “alternate facts.”
Mona and Doug,
I await the first of many books by head docs telling us what is actually going on in his.
He certainly won’t read them.
It looks to this non-psychiatrist like narcissistic personality disorder with delusions of grandeur. A family member (through marriage) has that and she really believes the bizarre, inflated things she claims about herself — and becomes quite affronted if you express any skepticism.
Ha! I was just, as in minutes ago, exchanging texts with my friend who practices psychiatry. We settled on the NPD, but we missed the delusions of grandeur. Give yourself a board certification, Mona.
Like what sort of things ?
My daughter got married , 2nd time , to a guy who goes on WEEKEND PATRIOT WAR GAME outings . When I mentioned this to her mom ( my 1st ex-wife ) the response was ” Well that’s just Mark .”
Whose crazier ? Mark or my 1st ex-wife ?
We humans often tell lies to obtain a result. To get, to avoid, to evade, to dupe, to cheat, to flatter, to placate … for any number of external, objective reasons. Every single person making comments here has lied to obtain a result. (Please. anyone, don’t bother trying to refute this. I don’t want to waste my time.)
There’s another sort of lie that all of us employ. That is the lie designed to sustain a more comfortable self image, (e.g., “I’m not fat.” “I am loyal.” “I am attractive,” etc.) We all create a self image that keeps us comfortable.
There are other genres of lies of course .. (social lies, friendly lies, ignorant lies. bad faith les … ) which can be ignored for the purposes of this post.
Some of the second sorts of lies, lies that function to maintain a certain self image, can indicate exactly what’s going on internally.
Trump’s psychological lies are almost entirely highlights to his thought processes — spotlights shined into his psyche. For instance, when he says “I like to keep people guessing” and then follows with “believe me” there’s a obvious dissonance; why would you want people to believe you if you’re really trying to keep them guessing?
This doesn’t make sense, like much of what Trump says. Internal contractions emerge.
This is also very human.
Trump often crosses the line from ordinary to pathological. When he does, it reveals not only his insecurity but also the sort of terrain he inhabits.
The recent crowd size example is very telling. He believes himself far more popular than he actually is. Most of us are rebuked by family or friends, colleagues and opponents when we try to express objective untruths. Yet Trump and associates rebuke those who point out the contradictions. As Steve Bannon makes bullyingly clear, the press should “keep its mouth shut and just listen for awhile.”
People with huge bank accounts can sculpt their social terrain by hiring/attaching those who sustain their falsehoods. See the recent movie Florence Foster Jenkins for example of this. (disclaimer: I didn’t finish the movie.) But there’s a better example of Trump’s entire social structure displayed in five seconds at the inauguration.
Melania’s smile/frown.
It’s all you need to know about Trump to understand not only why he succeeds but why he will fail. Of course he lies; he’s a politician, a businessman, and a Republican. Not only does he lie, he’s both ignorant and narcissistic and probably not too bright.
Unfortunately for all of us,Trump will use his public office to maintain his own delusions like any autocrat. People will choose sides — the nature of politics — and insist until the very end, their upon own lies even as these lies trample the lives of those less important than themselves, (See the original Downfall scene of Hitler in the bunker — along with the various spoofs of it for laughs — on YouTube.)
Trump’s demands for falsehood will grow thin very quickly, even among his most ardent supporters.
The only question is: how much damage will his pathology cause the country and the world before he’s booted out of office?
Our petty, pathetic and paranoid Leader
Typexed that for you.
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Shippers could be forgiven for having only a few centuries of experience with this:
“Right now, the Arctic Ocean is still too icy and treacherous for open-water ships to traverse with any regularity. The Northwest Passage is only navigable during the summer months once every seven years or so. Too unreliable for commercial shipping.” –The Washington Post, March 2013
What the fuck are you talking about?
I certainly have no clue, but with this one it prolly involves Satan and the Illuminati.
It’s Glenn’s special needs friend Mona. Chewing 14 comments out of a 130 count thread.
Over 10% of the board. And the sky is blue.
It’s Doug Damn It All To Hell Salzmann. Look what they did to your telephony, your creation. Damn it to hell Doug.
So much clearer now.
You speak in tongues?
He’s a real fruit loop, as became clear to me at The Guardian when he linked to a book that included an interview with one Cisco Wheeler in which she claimed to have been turned into a “sex kitten” by the Satanic Illuminati. To wit:
This poor, deluded, pathetic woman writes books with Communete’s deeply admired pal (and ex-con, for armed bank robbery), Fritz Springmeier:
Lucifer. Mind control. Sex kittens. The Illuminati.
And he’s also sure climate change is fake.
People like him are the Real Experts on the matter, no doubt.
oh i get it!
if the arctic does melt, we’ll jes’ git senator Inhofe to throw icecubes from the icemaker – the one with the 2000 mile extension cord – into the ocean up there jes’ as fast as he can so’s to keep the weather jes a l’il on the normal side.
Scientists’ March On Washington Being Planned
@ScienceMarchDC has over 200,000 followers, an explosion in the last 48 hours. Park Services employees are fighting back with @AltNatParkSer, which now has a whopping 1.18 million followers in the past few days.
This is very good news. Politically awakened, radicalized scientists marching in the streets is highly likely to lead to very good things. Radicalization frequently does not stop with the initial issue that gets one involved; the networking and exposure to new sources of information generally also entails exposure to truths one had not yet discovered.
“Politically awakened, radicalized scientists marching in the streets” will assuredly lead to a bunch of fired scientists.
Scientists are about facts, not political will or propaganda.
Go ahead, get them fired, they are not whistle blowers.
Opposing Global Warming in a political way, would have assuredly gotten scientist fired by the 0Bama administration.
I don’t really know what that means, but I do know it does not address, much less rebut, anything I wrote. Whataboutery can’t rebut anything.
Especially hypothetical whataboutery.
A reichwing rumour had it that Obama would deport climate change deniars. I saw some wingnuts up in arms about it at the time (about 12 mo ago). Faux outrage, I think…
“deniers”
There is, of course, no truth to that rumor.
On the other hand, I would deport climate change deniers, to Antarctica.
<blockquote<no truth to that rumor.
Possibly peddled by some Sandy Hook deniers.
Exactly, Mona!
A dash of cognitive dissonance doesn’t hurt now and again:
So we are not to accept that all US intel agencies (99% +) believe that Russians hacked the US election; we are not to accept that all MSM except may Fox believes this too and accepts it; but we are to accept that 99% of climate scientists are in agreement?
Intel is alot like solving partial diff eqn in that they both may as well be cryptic languages only a few high priests can understand…
Well as for me I’m pretty fuckin skeptical of any gov. hack, scientist, intel expert, etc.
I so skeptical I’m not even sure I’m writing this.
I take your bigger point, but this is a bad example. Intel agencies made this claim in the past few months in what is clearly a very politicised atmosphere. The foundations of climate science have developed over centuries. What’s more, climate scientists have laid out reams of data for decades. Intel has given us nothing substantive. And, while science had plenty of gaffes to its discredit, nothing like torturing alleged terrorists to provide fake confessions to start the Iraq war comes to mind in recent years.
These would be the same gov’t ‘scientists’ who wouldn’t allow anyone to see their Gulf oil spill data?
_”NOAA Hoarding Key Data On Oil Spill Damage“_
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/13/noaa-hoarding-key-data-on_n_645031.html
Uh, they did release it, you can check all the data yourself here:
https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/deepwaterhorizon/specialcollections.html
One thing we can be certain of: Glenn Greenwald will have absolutely nothing to say about this unconscionable attack on the field of science. How could he say anything against Dear Leader?
Huh? Glenn Greenwald is co-founder of this site. I know without asking that he is appalled at the attacks on science.
Hobart doesn’t seem too sharp. This should help.
More a Homie than a Hobart?
That’s a nutty assertion: Greenwald is as anti-Trump as any TI contibutor (and most commenters), as his writings CLEARLY show.
Do you actually read this site?
I’m sure Glenn won’t say anything against the Leader, but what does Benito have to do with this, anyway?
Doug, Howled out loud!
They are Federal employees. Policies change with the change in administrations. If they do their job, and do not do anything to bring attention to themselves they should be fine. Political zealots WILL be called out.
Science does not change with administrations. Do you know who Victor Lysenko was?
Totalitarian regimes impose ideology on scientists to reach the “proper” scientific conclusions, i.e., totalitarian regimes coerce their scientists to pretend their findings conform to politics and prohibit promotion of politically “incorrect” science. Fascists and totalitarians do not conform their policies to any science that disturbs their faith-based politics.
Science doesn’t change, but direction does. If they are scientists, then facts and research are most important, not politics. The politicians interpret scientific findings. It is not the job of EPA , NOAA, or NASA scientists to make political judgments.
No. They do not. They are not competent to do that. Scientists are. You could show the president, e.g., results of a gas chromatograph or mass spectrometer, and I guarantee you the president would need his/her scientists to interpret them.
That’s not at issue. What’s at issue is the president letting politics dictate what government scientists can say about their data and the research results of other scientists.
“The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker’s hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work!” “Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books, pamphlets, films, sound-tracks, photographs — all had to be rectified at lightning speed. Although no directive was ever issued, it was known that the chiefs of the Department intended that within one week no reference to the war with Eurasia, or the alliance with Eastasia, should remain in existence anywhere.”
1984 George Orwell
-For the good folks at the EPA.
Newspeak word of the day: #goodthinkful : Meaning naturally orthodox, incapable of thinking a bad thought.
If Trump imposes 20% tax on imported Mexican goods, then I hope he somehow gets the Mexicans to bear the tax burden and not pass it on to us here. Otherwise we will be paying indirectly for the wall. That is more important than the climate change issue. At the same time we must prevent Canadians from building walls that will prevent their cold air from reaching us and offsetting our green house effect.
I think all the ISIS terrorists are intently studying the @POTUS tweets to learn when it is their turn next in the drone kill list. But Trump is a real smart person and he is not tweeting that information.
The effect of tariffs is make the prices of imported products higher, to discourage their import and encourage the sale of higher-priced domestic products. The only way Mexicans would pay is by losing sales (a big deal and it would hurt).
You would pay higher prices, one way or another.
i think the profit margins are so gang high that mexico bizzies can easily absorb the hit and not pass it on to US. Certainly a boycott would kick things off. Then maybe the gov there might start protecting US, their customer, instead of trying to invade occupy and dominate.
The war on reason is what Stephen Harper conducted during his tenure as dictator of Canada..The researcher working on climate change has good reason to copy her work before Trump orders it destroyed.. Harper managed to do the same in Canada ordering decades of fisheries research to be shredded.
Well the press spins it as THEY see it. I think most journalists suck, just like CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX all suck. The talking heads are all PAID to say what they say, and it’s only about the money for 99.0% of them. I barely trust the Intercept, and that’s saying a lot about the B/S written whether is true or not.
So much for all the bullshit about this being a free country (not that it ever was after 1492).
“Scientific consensus” was removed from the official site at some time later than this archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20170110201749/https://www.epa.gov/climatechange/climate-change-facts-answers-common-questions
and prior to Wednesday morning, 25jan
http://ch12.xyz/zero/climatechange/frequently-asked-questions-about-climate-change.html
Animal Farm!
“the future of radio belongs to us”
ch0.us or securely via @mozilla at indyradio.info
Invest in big media when the earth becomes unfit for human beings as the propaganda business takes off!
the words weather and weapon are pretty close
http://www.infowars.com/stop-soros-movement-sweeps-europe/
Infowars. GOTTA be true then…
Alex Jones has been insisting his infowars is going to receive White House press credentials. But the White House just denied it. As between two such hallucinatory liars, who knows what to believe?
Now, now, IW isn’t that much worse than Faux Noise.
The new Trump regime policy could be a page taken straight out of former Canadian Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s playbook. This is exactly what his government did. It muzzled gov’t scientists, forbidding them to speak to the press or publicly about their work unless the Prime Minister’s Office had first approved and scripted any comments they might be allowed to make. This was largely to prevent Canadian gov’t scientists stating facts and info about climate change that might be embarrassing to the pro-oil-industry Harper gov’t. Thankfully now, under Trudeau’s Liberal gov’t, scientists can again speak openly.
Then maybe the wussies don’t deserve a job, or any job!
Not all Americans have taken the path of least resistance like these candy-assed g-workers!
Dont sgts usually work for govts?
Maybe if the carbon-industries did their own proper climate research the “wussies” could work for them?
they did their own research in the 70’s and 80’s, and they didn’t like the conclusions any more than they do now, so they shut down the research and initiated a propaganda campaign against the science.
So much cheaper that way.
says Keyboard Ranger sgt_doom
They needed to start transitioning away from oil and coal regardless of Climate Change. I’ve been giving it some thought lately. What we need is a new energy policy and a build out of nuclear. The smart money is on Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors (LFTRs). China is moving on it and so is India an even Russian.
I like the idea of the Two Pot solution. You have places for two reactor pots with one of the places left empty. Then, using burner reactors instead of breeders, you run the first pot (the hot pot) for about seven to ten years or so, then you install a new replacement pot, bring it online and shut the other one down. You have seven years to replace, replenish and refurbish the dead pot This way you have zero down time.
These can be manufactured as commodities with off the shelf standards and sizes which gives you economies of scale. The main thing is to work out the form factors. Then let engineers build to that form rather than everything being custom built one of a kind. This will create a worldwide market of commodity nuclear reactors.
Of course, since we are starting from scratch and designing a new system we can get fancy. For example, it’s one thing to use a satellite to monitor a site, but it would be better to design and build the site from the ground up in order to be monitored. Properly designed advanced telemetry could allow remote monitoring at the regional, national and international level.
Another thing is that these things could be parallel piped. You could start work on the site within six months and within a year or two you could have a reactor vessel (hot pot) installed.
Quite a bit of research in the US in the past too. Then it got kind of mothballed…
It’s a fantasy, nearly 50 years old. Not. Going. To. Happen.
And if it did, would it be A Good Thing for humans to have that magical, cheap, abundant energy resource? No.
I=P*A*T
It didn’t make enough plutonium. The US nuclear power industry is an outgrowth of the US nuclear weapons industry. Not the other way around as it’s commonly represented.
Google is one of the biggest users of energy they should be all over this. Maybe someone should ask why they are not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZR0UKxNPh8
It’s appropriate to mention piping — because the thorium dream is a pipe dream, a dangerous pipe dream.
Thinking about Thorium
The idea is to shorten the build time. Meaning you don’t need a design in hand before you start building. Get the layout and the form factors right and you can finish the reactor vessel and reaction formula while the site work is being done.
It’s shovel ready.
Thanks for that document. :-)
Until the elected lying whores in congress make it illegal to lie, the US will continue to fail and fall.
US gov has a new policy! Tell a lie, get promoted. Tell the truth, get fired – or go to prison. CIA WMD ALL LIES.
Seth Rich was murdered for elite benefit. TRUE.
Russia hacked the DNC. LIE.
I have total empathy for these workers;however, these are the very people we depend on to speak the truth. If they all sit by and do nothing they enable the system. Please let me know how I can support them.
The situation in the U.S. is something of a deja vu of Canada’s experience with a Conservative government that was only recently voted out. After ten years of artfully manipulating the electorate, six with a minority mandate and four with a majority, their removal from office had become something of a national concern. They cut funding to science and muzzled scientists in a wholesale manner. One situation had them literally ordering up dumpsters and emptying government science libraries, while claiming it was being digitally archived when only a small fraction of it was.
The ‘great manipulators’ that they were, they were absolutely outraged by public protest. The courts were not supportive, the police handled protestors with kid gloves, and the media was giving the various issues coverage ongoing. The “yesterday’s news’ dodge wasn’t able to be brought into play. –What to do? What to do? –Under cover of a security Bill, they defined terrorism as anything that threatens the economic or national security of Canada. This essentially moved the policing of protests and protestors that fell under that subjective definition into secret under the security services. Further the security services were authorized to use “disruption” tactics. —So now in Canada, no legal protections against surveillance or secret measures meant to deter and punish protestors cum terrorists, for there is no case to take to court should unexplained things start happening. Meanwhile, we wait for the new government to put this right.
The one difference – – so far – – is that Trump is doing something about this free trade outrage while the Harper Conservatives couldn’t have been more supportive of the concept.
Cambodia had that problem with the scientists and other educated types, once. The leader at that time, Pol Pot, solved the problem by burning the books. He also murdered the educated. A very popular guy once he disposed of all those who didnt favor him. But that cannot happen in the US because there are laws against that sort of thing even tho the US supports genocide on behalf of israel.
Laws schmaws. Trump has LOTS of pens!
He’s gonna need a bigger pen.
Trump’s domestic policy on energy and infrastructure has to be among the most idiotic ever proposed. From the “America First” energy plan document, some truly bizarre accounting claims:
“We will use the revenues from energy production to rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure.”
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/01/25/america-first-energy-plan-puts-americans-last/
Obama helped set the stage for that, though, by allowing oil exports from the United States in collaboration with Republicans in 2015, ending a policy of no exports since 1970 or so.
As far as the reality of fossil-fueled global warming, there’s no longer any doubt about that, it’s a well-understood phenomenon, see these milestones:
1824 – Fourier calculates that the Earth would be far colder if it lacked an atmosphere.
1859 – Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases could bring climate change.
1896 – Arrhenius publishes the first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.
1930s – A global warming trend since the late nineteenth century is reported. Milankovitch proposes orbital changes as the cause of ice ages.
1938 – Callendar argues that CO2 greenhouse global warming is under way, reviving interest in the question.
1956 – Plass calculates that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will have a significant effect on the radiation balance.
1957 – Revelle finds that CO2 produced by humans is not readily absorbed by the oceans.
1960 – Keeling accurately measures CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere and detects an annual rise. The level is 315 ppm. The mean global temperature (a five-year average) is 13.9°C.
1963 – Calculations suggest that feedback with water vapor could make the climate acutely sensitive to changes in the CO2 level.
1968 – Studies suggest a possiblity of collapse of Antarctic ice sheets, which would raise sea levels catastrophically.
1975 – Manabe and his collaborators produce complex but plausible computer models that show a temperature rise of several degrees for doubled CO2.
1979 – A U.S. National Academy of Sciences report finds it highly credible that doubling CO2 will bring about global warming of 1.5°C – 4.5°C.
1982 – Stong global warming since mid-1970s is reported; 1981 was the warmest year on record.
1990 – The first IPCC report says the world has been warming and future warming seems likely.
1995 – The second IPCC report detects a ‘signature’ of human-caused greenhouse-effect warming; it declares that serious warming is likely in the coming century.
2001 – Debate effectively ends among all but a few scientists. Warming is observed in ocean basins; the match with computer models gives a clear signature of greenhouse-effect warming.
2007 – The level of CO2 in the atmosphere reaches 392 ppm. The mean global temperature a five-year average) is 14.5°C, the warmest in hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years.
2015 and 2016 are the warmest years on record.
Who does he fire when Mira Lago goes under water? Or maybe we can build a bigger wall around florida.
simple he simply fires anybody that reports it. no man no problem.
Having the evidence available and agreed to by the majority of the science community, would not Scott Pruitt be attempting murder by depriving people of earth’s balance and stability of life support? Or by allowing known poisons to be cast into the environment which results in death? Would that not be murder by policy? Was not Adolf Hitler guilty of murder by policy? Is not netanyahu guilty of murder by policy? Is it legal to cause the deaths of people by depriving them of life support? Is it not possible that these calculating types may in fact be seriel killers using policy methods? Methods designed to affect certain populations with the consequence of collateral damage?
“Over the last three years I’ve directed my administration to open up millions of acres for gas and oil exploration across 23 different states. We’re opening up more than 75% of our potential oil resources offshore. We’ve quadrupled the number of operating rigs to a record high. We’ve added enough oil and gas pipelines to encircle the earth and then some. So, we are drilling all over the place, right now.”
– Dear Leader Obama, 2012
Moral of the story: Liberals don’t really give a rat’s ass about fossil fuel use.
And the climate change deniers start crapflooding this thread in… 3, 2, 1…
The usual suspects tend to show up later in the day. Especially at nite.
I think that the general aversion to curbing our appetites will continue to drive global warming for the foreseeable future.
Even the most illustrious Al Gore doesn’t really believe “HE” should personally reduce his colossal carbon footprint.
Carbon Credits are a good idea in theory but what it leads to is the tragedy of the commons mentality that “Someone else will reduce their carbon footprint to offset my extravagance”
Don’t expect the ‘consumer’ to change his carbon footprint voluntarily. But governments can decarbonise economies.
Similar problems like the hole in the ozone layer have been solved w/o the consumer even knowing CFCs had been replaced. And electric cars drive as well as carbon-based ones.
Governments won’t be able to do what’s necessary if their populations demand things like cheap oil (gasoline) and an easy life at the expense of our planet. I agree that government policies re fossil fuels v. alternative sources of electrical energy could be exponentially better. But keep in mind that someone near the top of the Bush I administration revealed that they fought the Iraq War I because they knew that Americans wanted cheap gasoline more than peace.
So yes, we need much better government policies, but we also need much better attitudes from the population, starting with a focus on “being” instead of “having.”
NiceTry wrote: “Even the most illustrious Al Gore doesn’t really believe “HE” should personally reduce his colossal carbon footprint. ”
NiceTry might want to see the following article:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp
An excerpt:
“Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation’s most environmentally friendly.
The former vice president has installed solar panels, a rainwater-collection system and geothermal heating. He also replaced all incandescent lights with compact fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs.
“Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don’t know how it could have been rated any higher,” said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design. “
It’s not about being energy-efficient; that’s a small step, but it’s basically a minor detail. It’s about consuming a lot less and living a lot more simply and naturally: much smaller house, organize your life so you don’t drive regularly, limit your family to one child max, etc. If people don’t do those things, actions like making a house energy-efficient will amount to nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I agree. Every time someone says to me that at least Democrats are better than Republicans on the global warming/climate change issue, I point out that the only real difference is that Democrats are willing to exist that it’s real problem and that humans are causing it. But even Bernie Sanders never advocated for real solutions, which are far less consumption of oil, electricity, and meat (the three direct leading causes of global warming/climate change) and lower human population. Recognizing a problem is only the first step, and that’s as far as Democrats and most people have gotten. Climate change deniers haven’t even gotten that far, but we need a lot more from the supposedly sane people if this problem is going to have any chance of being mitigated (too late to “solve” it).
the democratic party will stand as one, choosing conviction over calculation, to fight this administration every step of the…
sorry, couldn’t keep a straight face
heh
It seems that the entire congress is either using drugs or so entrenched and under the spell of the Koch Industries that they are devoid of morals and brain function. Or all of the above
First Amendment rights of government employees
It’s a bit tricky because the state wears two hats vis-a-vis the scientist who is also an employee: Hat 1. Just plain government, and Hat 2. Employer. When the scientist stands as a citizen s/he has all the same speech rights as against the state as everyone else. But when s/he stands against the state as its employee it gets complicated.
Attorney Ken White, a free speech specialist, has written a well-linked primer: Quick Cheat Sheet on First Amendment Rights of Public Employees.
FYR (who needs science?)
“President’s view of research casts shadow over Alaska marine science conference ”
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/science/2017/01/25/trumps-view-of-research-casts-shadow-over-alaska-marine-science-conference/
It’s been less than a week and we can see what a fucking disaster this new administration is unleashing on the planet and the country’s poor citizens. I’m glad I don’t have any children and feel sorry for the youth of today for the warming poisoned world they will have to live in. Unbridled capitalism will be the demise of the Earth and ALL of her inhabitants. It’s time for a real movement to stop this destruction of the only planet that humans and all the other lifeforms live on. There is no plan B. The only solution is to put a stop on the population explosion and transfer away fossil fuels as rapidly as possible. I remain extremely skeptical, especially given this new administration’s disdain for reality. Sure count your money whilst you can’t breathe or have clean fresh water to drink. Just see how long you last; my guess is not very long and all the money in the world won’t change this reality.
But there is a plan B.
And it’s public knowledge.
It’s animals could be bred und slaughtered.
But seriously, if these people actually think they can live like that, they should see the old Time Machine movie. Lack of sunlight alone would cause serious if not fatal health problems, including mental health.
Their mental health is already at issue. That was Kubrick’s point I think
More seriously, they think the earth can heal itself according to their time scale.
It will take many hundreds of years, if not thousands or tens of thousands of years be fore the earth recovers from the toxins and pollutants we so freely toss.
They’re already Morlocks; they just haven’t physically devolved yet.
I fully agree re their mental health. Only a complete psychopath could even contemplate an actual nuclear war, let alone try to launch one.
Re the Earth, some of this crap is never going away. Some human-made radioactive materials will be radioactive until the sun burns out, for example. People should stop expecting the Earth to recover from any and all harms that humans inflict on it. There is no evidence that humans can’t destroy the Earth, and they seem to be well on the way to doing so.
Modern culture has been circling the drain since 1914. Most political movements born during those times were just people arguing over who gets to pilot us to our destruction. That argument is going on to this day.
We’re as part of nature as any other mammal. Perhaps the time of humans as the dominant species on the planet is coming to a close. Some pockets of humanity could survive, just like some tribes of the lost cultures of the past seen in South America and the Aborigines of Australia survive today.
Humans in the modern culture have been having a spiritual crisis for countless centuries, and what’s happening today is the summation of so many years of our culture’s story playing out.
The Earth will heal itself, with or without our help. Do people in the modern culture want to heal themselves and each other? Evidence doesn’t favor a positive outcome there, I think.
G-d, yeah a ‘centuries long spiritual crisis’… that’s the REAL problem.
No wonder you’re not interested in politics…
(rolls eyes to heaven)
You would probably agree that religion is not necessarily spiritual.
Political parties are much like religious groups. They’re brainwashed to have faith in the doctrine. They’re trained to follow that doctrine using guilt and punishments to maintain order. Modern education follows similar rules although there is more discussion about them in academic circles.
Spirituality is about self-discovery, awareness, and compassion.
Childish mockery doesn’t bother me. It proves to me you’re asleep and not ready to listen. That’s okay. Everyone has their own path of discovery.
All the best to you and yours.
That’s a form of childish mockery too, of course.
I’m very awake, thank you.
You’re probably right I’m not ‘ready’ to listen. Several of us have already tried that and found what you have to say about as interesting as the contents of Baldrick’s pants.
Then the real mystery to me is, why do you keep responding to my comments?
No, the real mystery is why you are here at all.
Actually, the spiritual problem that MS raises is the ROOT of all the political problems about which you’re concerned. And by spiritual I don’t mean religious. Religions are mostly anti-spiritual or fake spirituality.
Agreed, except that the problem started waaaay before 1914. The only real solution I see to any of the issues raised by Ol’ Hippy is for a major spiritual and mental evolution of the human race, and I have no idea how to help accomplish that.
I see where Trump has hung Andrew Jackson’s portrait in The Oval Office for inspiration.
This morning I read Jackson’s “Trail of Tears” speech where he tries to explain how removing the savages from their homelands is the right thing to do even though they might “miss the graveyards of their ancestors”, but that allowing white people who are civilized and have “religion” (like the American Indians didn’t have the highest of spiritual natures!), would create major cities across the eastern United States that would be “civilized”.
Reminds me of how the Jews claimed Palestine because “God told them it was theirs”. The Palestinians were forced out with brute force which continues to this day fully funded and backed by the United States even though practically the entire world opposes this (save Micronesia and Palau).
And Netanyahu will be meeting with Trump soon to discuss moving the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem which most agree will further inflame tensions in the Middle East.
I hope every DNC Superdelegate who backed Clinton is out at Home
Depot now buying rope.
In other U.S. gov’t personnel news, the top career leadership at State has suddenly quit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned
it’s an ill wind…victoria nuland to resign–
https://news.am/eng/print/news/369741.html
The oil/gas/coal/auto industry was behind the scenes in prior administrations, pulling strings. You can consider this a coup putting them in direct control. However, how desperate do you have to be to lift the veil?
No one can convince me that global warming is not real. It’s January in Ohio and we’re seeing large flocks of birds migrating North already. This is not normal.
You don’t see the NSA and the CIA complaining that their work is classified and they aren’t allowed to discuss it with the press. Agencies such as the EPA or the Farm Credit Administration will just have to operate by the same rules. The American public is a resourceful enemy and there’s no telling what stray bit of information, carelessly released, they might seize upon and weaponize.
We’ll be entering an era of “alternative science” and that may take scientists some time to get used to it — unlike the NSA or CIA which tend to skulk about as a matter of professional method. However, the sciences have adapted to political alternatives before. Let us now study the life and work of Academician Trofim Lysenko.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Great connection.
I was reading about Boris Pasternak today with similar thoughts. Let me share a more lyrical observation from the same era.
I agree with you, that is ridiculous. But.
There’s a big difference between being “fired, or executed” as well as between being “negatively affected or banned.” It is clear what author of these words was trying to achieve though. Work’s title “The Perversion Of Knowledge: The True Story Of Soviet Science”. Like, come on, hadn’t the soviets pioneered the space? The same fight for a bigger budget was present untill 1991, yet different institutes coexisted pretty well. Rethorical pathos appealing to “oh you’re dissent, get shot now” disgust is, imo, exaggerated. Times were tough in 1937 and there was a reason why. Bashing differing approach as an “alternative science” is quite torquemada-esque, on the other hand. Had the academic science been always prevalent, we would have never seen Newton’s works for example.
Vernadsky was wiser and chose not to participate in the feud between two rival factions. Fighting for goverment grants was not a priority no1 for him. Lysenko actually had numerous successes and was introduced into the community by Vavilov himself. Despite his disastrous manipulations in his field of work he enjoyed Kruschev protectorship untill 1964.
Who knows hadn’t genetics been proclaimed “a whore of imperialism”, and had Vavilov managed to destroy Lysenko beforehand, perhaps Soviets could manage to start breeding ‘superhumans’ during the Cold War. Same as GDR’s olympic sports doping science.
Executions aside (er, enhanced terminations), my point was that it stifled several lines of science and is apt to happen here. And it’s possible that the witch hunt will follow those scientists into the universities if there’s a new edition of the Un-American Activities Committee.
Yeah, I agree, with you. And to clarify I’m pro-environmental awereness and all that.
I just nit-picked at the source you used, as I have been lectured on topic similar to analogy you presented. Just a fun fact, Lysenko was fundamentally wrong but he cultivated grain needed to combat scarcity of food, while ‘geneticists’ were fundamentally right, but they would have wasted gov funding on selective breeding of fruitflies. When needed regulation bodies were introduced, situation with objectivity in science improved.
Speculating, I think the main problem is in principle though. As long as it is formulated in terms of “price” that one (person/state) can afford himself to pay to prevent damage to herself (health/environment) combatting issues like global warming is like tilting at mills.
It’s principle and it’s also an intellectual matter. If scientific inquiry has to suffer political as well as peer review, it could inhibit the pursuit of scientific knowledge generally. Even if it lacks the menace that attended a Lysenko, or Giordano Bruno’s persecutors, simply hostile oversight can cripple the quest.
– Alexei Tolstoi, THE GARIN DEATH RAY, 52
The NSA and CIA are intelligence agencies dealing in sensitive information that can make or break nations. The EPA gather data and pass regulations for the good of the people. Your argument makes no sense.
That is because a good portion of the argument was redacted. Loosely paraphrased (and I may be getting into trouble here) it was that argument appeals to reason and the new paradigm calls for people to simply believe what the government tells them. Information is therefore a distraction. If this fails to convince you, then you suffer from a worrying level of skepticism.
Indeed, that’s more profound, Duce, than the simple “alternative facts” maim going around. Professional expertise in a particular field, earth science, law, economics, whatever takes years to garner but may become a social disadvantage. The Brexit campaign captured the mood best: “I think people in this country have had enough of experts.”
Why should a voter, or for that matter, the Leader of the United States, try to understand that hard stuff when a stringy-blond talk show host on Fox can make it simple?
Benito has been one of the better resident satirists here, so don’t take his comments too seriously. He goes FOR the absurd.
I got into lotsa trouble when I used to give it away to unwary newcomers. Other regulars said I was ruining all the fun.;)
This is not true and suggesting that the Duce is a comedian is seditious. You know how sedition is punished under his leadership, don’t you?
Benito offers us all at least three levels of discourse in each commentary:
What he says; which of course isn’t what he means.
What he really typed out before redaction; which of course isn’t really what his bosses meant for him to say.
What we think he’s saying; which of course goes without saying is going to be decidedly different for each of us.
This focus by Benito on the importance of irrational epistemology in guiding our everyday decision making has been a boon to the commenters here, in that it has allowed us to become that much more enlightened about what President Trump’s worldview really is, and in helping us to find comfort in knowing that what we think we know about reality is only as accurate as what our new president and his advisors tells us it should be.
Wow. Extra-excellent elucidation.
A moment of lucidity, nothing more. It has passed… ;-)
Who didn’t see this coming?
It is quite apparent the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, nearly all the Superdelegates, the MSM who all tried to shove the corrupt Hillary Clinton down our throats when all evidence showed Sanders was the man to beat Trump, “didn’t see this coming”.
Or their love for breaking the glass ceiling was more important to all of them than protecting our country and the environment.
You sure showed them you’re not to be trifled with!
have they learned yet?
I don’t know.
Unlike everyone else commenting here on The Intercept, I cannot read minds.
I can only go by what people say.
That both sides continue to let petty identity politics get in the way of the things that matter is truly disheartening. I’m a Democrat with no faith in my own party.
Or “they” DID see it coming and Trump was their Trojan horse plan all along…
Breaking news, Trump team will establish safe zones (aka no-fly zones) in Syria.
July 16th, 1945. The gun was put to our heads.
Climate change is a very real issue, but people and their politics will have more immediate effects.
Politicians have used scientists throughout history. Politicians are willing to intimidate, scientists try to appeal to people’s better nature, and the dynamic of bully taking the nerd’s lunch money continues.
The fear is palpable. The question is, are the bullies willing to destroy the playground and everybody in it if the nerds decide to fight back?
We shall see.
The bullies are willing and able to destroy the playground whether the nerds fight back or not. In their ignorance they believe that they alone will be spared.
so the world is going to allow a few crazies to destroy the planet and extinction of the human species by waiting until it is too late –
interesting.
planet of cowards.
you would think the UN would write a law about that which allows (dumb as sheet) leaders and office holders to be charged and arrested and tried. What do morons do with big egos? They lie to get elected. It’s what morons do.
I see where President Trump was up at 5 a.m. getting busy gutting practically all connections the US has to the U.N.
We now have a president who has proudly admitted he “doesn’t read books”.
And not one week has passed since his inauguration.
In the meantime, Hillary is prepping for her new daytime TV show as a launching pad for 2020.
Tulsi Gabbard 2020.
Ideology trumps science.
Shades of Lysenkoism.
They have been doing politics from their agency’s communication means and the new administrator wants to control it. As it has always been the case.
And they have been deceiving you. Yes; just an example. “The fire season will still be 78 days longer than it was in the 1970″. Well, you need at least 70 year length of data for anything climate related because cycles of that length are the common behaviour of climate. If you don’t compare the fire season with what happened in the 1930 – 40s, you don’t have a valid data. Meaningless.
This is just an example. About anything you think you know about “climate change” has the same kind of error.
You didn’t know that. Sure. You have been deceived. Do you prefer the new administration keeps deceiving you?
There are reams of longitudinal data showing that the earth is warming at a rate unprecedented in history and models explaining how human activity is the cause. The fact you cited is just one piece of data used for purposes of illustration. You, on the other hand, use a perfectly valid criticism of that one data point to declare the entire global warming theory a hoax. This is not very scientific and your approach is akin to looking outside your window, seeing that it’s snowing, and concluding it’s snowing all around the world.
You’re just another under educated and under informed rube.
Yeah, that’s probably the reason so many studies are based on 40-year periods.
Rates of temperature change over 40-year periods for a number of climate reconstructions that cover various Northern Hemisphere areas
You are just another clueless denialist who wouldn’t recognize real science if it bit you on the ass.
There’s no point in arguing with these deniers. They’re either idiots or they don’t WANT to believe in global warming/climate change because it’s due to their (and our) lifestyles (including overpopulation).
Frightening and informative piece. Thank you Ms. Lerner. Donald Trump’s authoritarian regime and its attacks on science and scientists has radicalized scientist. Scientists are planning a huge march on Washington D.C.: Scientists are organizing a march on Washington, D.C.
The organizers have a new Twitter account: @ScienceMarchDC. And myriad other accounts are springing up, such as @AltNatParkSer, which grew in the past 48 hours from a few thousand followers to 1.4 million/.
This is all very good news. The science nerds becoming radicalized is a genie unlikely to go back in the bottle.
Almost makes one wonder whether the Cheetoh in Chief should be removed from office (and his VP) via any means necessary…
anyone who has ever done any sort of technical job knows that science reality plays second fiddle to management and marketing reality
and data-driven government policy is a farce, data models are included after policy is politically defined … as a type of uncool, “brainy” codependent family member who knows how that big, funny-looking calculator in Windows works
so the earth stays flat, nuclear weapons make the world safer, and global warming is good business
So far it is an excellent business. Greening of the Earth and its drivers:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n8/full/nclimate3004.html
at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, it’s 1.3 billion and counting … hope the toilet still flushes
google Dungeness crab outlook, dolt.
ocean acidification will damage the food chain at its base. Bad!
At this point there have been hundreds of studies on the potential positives to climate change. Overwhelmingly, it is bad for our species. Long term changes in precipitation patterns, soil moisture retention and other effects ultimately render any benefit provided by additional CO2 moot. This is a classic example of what deniers do, they pinpoint one paper that helps their case whilst totally ignoring what the vast majority of evidence says.
I work as a tech in academic science. I share your feelings of disillusionment. It always seems like they put the cart before the horse.
Oh well. Science is just a business anyway. Sexy science gets the money because it can sell. Money and politics run the show while innovators and workers get exploited. Business as usual.
we’ll always have paris