In a 24-hour news cycle in which Donald Trump decreed the construction of a new border wall with Mexico and draft executive orders emerged suggesting an impending ban on refugees and the return of post-9/11 interrogation techniques, the president also hinted at more to come — from sending “the Feds” to Chicago to a Department of Justice investigation into voter fraud. White House press secretary Sean Spicer confirmed the latter on Thursday, telling reporters that the president plans to sign an executive order “to better understand” voter fraud and voter registration.
The latest development, coming from a sitting president who just won an election, might seem like an odd priority, but it could be the most dangerous of all. In fact, while the president’s insistence on delegitimizing an election that put him in the White House seemed ironic to some, Trump’s decision to double down once again on one of his favorite and most demonstrably false lies — that millions of voters illegally cast ballots on November 8 — should spell trouble to anyone hoping this election is the last one he wins.
Trump, a sore loser even in victory, might have been simply obsessing over the 2.8 million ballots by which he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton when he announced Wednesday that he would seek “a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD,” which remains virtually non-existent. Although Trump is a master of political distraction, his often preposterous tweets have also been a reliable indicator of policies to come.
In this case, the second half of his statement — “depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!” — promises a serious threat to democracy and one Trump is hardly the first to propose or implement.
President Donald Trump delivers remarks during a visit to the Department of Homeland Security with Vice President Mike Pence and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly Jan. 25, 2017 in Washington.
Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
As is customary for Trump, neither facts nor consistency informed the latest announcement. In December, after Green Party candidate Jill Stein filed for a recount in three states, Trump’s own team contradicted his many tweets and said in a statement that “all available evidence suggests the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake” (no word, then, about Russian interference.) Out of 135 million votes cast on November 8, only four cases of voter fraud were documented. And while Trump railed against the millions of votes purportedly cast by undocumented immigrants, the dead, or those registered in more than one state, two of the known cases of individuals registered in more than one state involved his own adviser Steve Bannon, who until Wednesday was registered to vote in New York and in Florida, and his daughter Tiffany, who was registered in both New York and Pennsylvania. The country’s voter registration system is both inaccurate and inefficient, and it’s not uncommon for people to be registered in more than one state or even for dead individuals to remain on the rolls. But that doesn’t mean there is any substantial evidence people with multiple registrations are casting multiple votes, or that the dead are casting any.
But the problem with Trump’s propensity for falsehood is that so far it hasn’t stopped him from pushing policies based on lies. In this case, as Trump himself warned, we should expect the lie to translate into further restrictions of voting rights that have already been significantly curtailed in recent years.
“These allegations of voter fraud are unfounded, but used as a stage for states around the country to erect laws and restrictions that will make it harder for Americans to vote,” Kristen Clarke, president of the National Lawyers’ Committee, told The Intercept. “There is no evidence millions of people illegally cast ballots in the November election but there is tremendous evidence of ongoing voter discrimination and voter suppression.”
The investigation Trump is calling for wouldn’t be the first attempt to prove voter fraud, which for years has been a favorite argument of those wishing to limit democratic participation. But investigation after investigation has failed to prove fraud. One study found 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of one billion votes cast.
Even some Republicans called out Trump’s lie on Wednesday. “We conducted a review 4 years ago in Ohio & already have a statewide review of 2016 election underway,” Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted tweeted in response to the president. “Easy to vote, hard to cheat.” In fact, voting rights advocates might disagree with Husted on the second half of his statement, because Ohio is one of several states that attempted to purge thousands of eligible voters from the rolls in the past, making voting rather difficult for mostly poor and black residents of the state.
But with an administration that has made “alternative facts” the baseline of its policies, there’s no guarantee about what a Trump’s DOJ investigation might be able to produce. Particularly if that effort were led by Sen. Jeff Sessions, who if confirmed would be the first attorney general who has called the Voting Rights Act “an intrusive piece of legislation.” Pressed by Senator Al Franken during his recent confirmation hearing, Sessions declined to disavow Trump’s claims and said instead that he believes, “we regularly have fraudulent activities occur during election cycles.”
“Senator Sessions’ past record demonstrates that he is capable of carrying out the kind of faux fraud prosecution contemplated by the president,” Clarke said, pointing to Sessions’s troubling record on voting rights, including his failed 1985 prosecution, as U.S. attorney in Alabama, of black voting rights activists over baseless accusations of voter fraud.
“Those prosecutions had the impact of chilling minority voter participation,” said Clarke. “The president’s statements only underscore the fact that Senator Sessions is the wrong person to lead the Justice Department.”
In fact, Trump’s unfounded claims of voter fraud are part of a well-established tradition of voter discrimination efforts that has historically targeted minorities.
“This voter fraud lie has been used to disenfranchise black voters for the last 150 years,” Leah Aden, a senior counsel with the NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund, told The Intercept, citing a renewed crackdown on voting rights following historic black voter turnout in 2008 and 2012, as well as the 2010 census revealing the country’s transformed demographics. “This voter fraud lie is a dangerous distraction from the voter suppression schemes that have been in place for the past several years.”
Voter suppression works. In Wisconsin, for instance, which Trump won by 22,000 votes, voter turnout hit a 20-year low as many poor and black residents stayed home. But while that’s undoubtedly the result of a complex set of reasons — not the least, deepening disillusion and a lack of enthusiasm for the available options on the ballot — Wisconsin was also one of 14 states that this year implemented new voting restrictions for the first time, including photo ID requirements and restrictions on early voting. Those voter suppression schemes are likely to multiply as states seeking to restrict access to the ballots are emboldened by the President’s statements.
Many voting rights advocates, who have been battling the fallout from a 2013 Supreme Court decision that gutted a major component of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, are now bracing for more attacks on the landmark civil rights legislation. The imminent announcement of Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, who will presumably reflect his opinions, has many worried that remaining provisions of the act may also come under threat.
“The Voting Rights Act is at risk of being further narrowed; there are cases making their way up to the Supreme Court as we speak,” Denise Lieberman, co-director of Advancement Project’s power and democracy program, told The Intercept. Section 2 of the Act, in particular, which prohibits voting practices nationwide that discriminate on the basis of race, has already come under challenge in Texas and North Carolina, she added, noting that more challenges are likely to come in the next years.
“We know that we’re likely to face ongoing attacks on the right to vote with this administration,” said Lieberman. “We have to brace ourselves and know that those attacks are not grounded in facts but in a strategy that seeks to squash people’s voices.”
Top photo: Voters wait for the polls to open at dawn on Nov. 8, 2016, in Phoenix.
“Even some Republicans called out Trump’s lie on Wednesday. ”
That’s the real point. If Trump want “just” suppress voters, the PR would be all after him. But isn’t, because is a fight for power between DT and his party. He’s obsessed by looking a winner against all (look at the mess on the inaugural speech crowd), and he can’t accept that number put him after Clinton in popular vote ( and a long distance after his party (who crushed in Congress vote the Dem). The problem for DT is that is voters can believe him (they believe anything he says, doesn’t matter how fake), but the PR politics knows very well if there were frauds and that DT rants are bullshit.
Thanks for highlighting the seemingly meaningless obsession of trump and the voter fraud. It is as you explained, a plot to get people to believe by repetition of the lie, that it happened. Federal voting suppression laws will not be far behind.
Excellent coverage, as always. Leah Aden hit the nail on the head. Greg Palast has exhaustively covered the issue of minority voter suppression (the real voter fraud) – I wonder if you might cite some of his work and/or partner with him, notably re: Interstate Crosscheck and the closure of polls in black dominant districts.
In June I moved from Florida where I was a registered voter to another state out west where I registered in time to vote in the election. By Election Day I was utterly harassed by solicitations urging me to vote when I realized how easy it would have been to vote absentee in Florida and than again in my new state
Would have been better article for you to explore voting irregularities across the country like illegals able to obtain drivers license which is one hop skip away fron voting illegally. But your interest was in proving Trump a liar.
What states do NOT require proof of American citizenship on drivers license applications, Marnie? CA and TX both require proof. CA has an AB60 license, but it cannot be used for voting.
Honestly, your story sounds like one of Trump’s stories…ummm…lies.
In June I moved from Florida where I was registered to vote to another state where I registered in time for the election.
By Election Day I was utterly harassed by solicitations from Florida to vote when I realized I could have voted absentee in Florida and voted in my new state.
I think you should have better investigated the flaws in our voting system rather than prove Trump a liar. For instance where in California illegal immigrants are eligible for a drivers license and therefore one step away from illegal voting
Just read a recent study of Jesse Richman from the Old Dominion University in which he has analyses the number of non citizens who voted ( 6,4 % of 20 million) and their temdency to vote for HRC (81%). This proves that illegals are having quite an influence on election results. So maybe Trump has a point…
Illegals not as in illegal immigrants but as illegal votes.
Jesse Richman does NOT support the study cited in the WA Times and he calls it very deceptive:
https://fs.wp.odu.edu/jrichman/2017/01/27/i-do-not-support-the-washington-times-piece/
I live in California. im a life long democrat. it is legal for undocumented residents to apply for drivers licenses. we have automatic voter registration when you get a driver license. when it asks if you are a us citizen, you check yes or no. if you check yes, they register you. if you check no, they send you a card that asks if you are sure, if you don’t reply they list you as no. if you don’t check a box it automatically lists you as a yes. easy to imagine abuse is possible. especially when Obama encouraged undocumented people to vote. California has also been pushing for instant, same day voter registration. why is it racist or voter suppression if we make sure that everyone voting is legally eligible to do so? why has the Democratic party turned into a bunch of race baiters & russophobes? where is my party?
Not a supporter but Trump lost popular vote because of California, where he lost by 4.5 million or so. not a stretch for me to believe HRC, DNC, rigged something here given their behavior and the auto voter registration program making it easy, they cheated me out of my nominee. now we have Trump. thanks dems.
The topic of CA’s AB60 drivers license has been discussed in comments below. One cannot vote using an AB60 license, as it is clearly marked. If you check “yes” on your application, proof of American citizenship is required.
I keep wondering how we can flip these “alternative facts” around to our advantage. Demand the investigation and then show how there is a huge need for a uniform, secure, national voting system across the nation.
Less room for hanky panky
Yes. And while we’re at it, declare Election Day a holiday so poor working people can vote.
What is the problem with an investigation of the legitimacy of the electorate? Who disagrees that there are myriads of deceased on voter rolls,and attempts to purge them have been met with resistance. Who doesnt believe there are a great mean non citizens who have been registered to vote? Whether you like them or not Project Veritas has at least shown the registration of non citizens and perhaps the actual desire to register non citizens.
Whether its the DOJ,or Congress lets finally do a thorough investigation match ing Registrations with voters and citizenship . Also set up a system to purge deceased voters.
I would start with California and Colorado and offer a 3 month immunity period for those who choose to self report. Match registration with citizenship,and any non citizen who comes forward,can show registration and then have the State election board match with whether they voted, offer a one time immunity from prosecution
Registration should b]have protections against non citizens being able to simply sign up. Lets clean up the voter rolls, and lets finally have a consensus we can all stipulate regarding voter fraud. Let the investigation begin.
I believe that ‘the problem’ is fake or fraudulent votes tend to be cast in significantly larger numbers for the ‘librul’ candidates so they’ve developed these powerful memes that claim that any attempts to actually verify someone’s eligibility to vote are racist or supremacists for sure. These memes are so powerful, they often literally paralyze or freeze the opponents’ thought processes and cause them to quickly back down in shame or not even bring such issues into any fact-based or rational discussion.
Perhaps you can share your source of information, Arth. Any valid links you can provide?
There never are any valid links or sources, ever. It’s just made up on the spot conjecture to support their one sided views.
The link below contains language directly from the Court declaring voter fraud and collision by Democrats in Philadelphia.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2017/01/27/donald-trump-and-medias-vote-fraud-denialists
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2017/01/27/donald-trump-and-medias-vote-fraud-denialists
Some very simple searching and you’ll find Jeffrey Lord to be an Alternative Facts kinda guy, but maybe you are, too, Pauldia:
“And indeed, some GOP pundits are ‘watching’—and pushing Trump’s evidence-free claims. Fox News’s Sean Hannity has revived the old myth of voter fraud in Philadelphia in 2012—earning a rebuke from CNN’s Brian Stelter. Unfortunately, CNN is also helping to propagate Trump’s voter-fraud myth with its infamous dog-whistling commentator Jeffrey Lord, who has been pushing either very old or very false (or both) fraud claims this week. Voting-law expert Rick Hasen has taken Lord down on Twitter. If only CNN would have him on to refute Lord’s lies in real time.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-is-already-setting-up-his-next-con/
Joan Walsh? ILord is to Trump what Walsh is to the Left. She is predictable and reflexive.
Anyway, forget Lord. The fact is the Court found voter fraud and total obstruction and collusion by local and State Democrat officials.
Look, Trump is what he is, a child’s emotional development , an ADD attention span, and a deep seated need to lash out to the most minor of slights. In short he may be an electoral error, but he is damn right about voter fraud. Let’s have an investigation , it is the right thing to do, and you know it.
I am not for his most recent incredibly shallow and impetuous ban on Muslims, nor do I approve of he’s bullying Mexico . But in voter fraud I am 100% for an honest complete investigation with the force of Law behind the investigation . I do believe there is serious fraud in our electoral system, and I also believe racism and supotession are red herrings to hide behind for those who fear the truth finding sunshine.
Pauldia, the courts did NOT find voter fraud, obstruction, or collusion in the 2012 Philadelphia election, or any other location in question. There are far too many sources of accurate information on the 2012 accusations of fraud that concur no fraud occurred. Of course, you are reading Breitbart comics, Newsbusters, and Rev Sun Moon’s Washington Times, so we can’t hold you accountable to truth. Enjoy your conspiracy theories, Pauldia.
http://www.snopes.com/search/?q=2012+philadelphia+voter+fraud
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/votes-romney-dozens-black-voters-prompt-cries-voter/story?id=17730238
The GOP isn’t going to stay in control long term by just sitting back and letting the changing demographics sideline them…they’re going to keep the scales tilted and the deck stacked (gerrymandering, voter suppression of minority votes etc.) for as long as possible. This was actually the perfect segway for the administration to go down this path. Expect a national required voter ID bill in the near future.
Expect a national required voter ID bill in the near future.
The HORRORS!!!
There was significant and results changing fraud in this election.
Problem is, it was the democrats & the DNC purging Bernie Sanders
voters from the rolls and changing rules at the last minute (Colorado)
to ensure the coronation of HRC. Why has ALL media gone silent on that?
YOU are so full of stupidity.Its ignorant people like You that spread lies and divide this country.What a very sad use of your time.Trump is a great President.He also plans to keep all of his promises.People like you just really need to move on and except your loss.Be a good looser.That’s a good lesson for all children…and you are a child.He will bring peace and morals back.America needs him.God chooses to make or break nations , and he picks our President and all of our leaders.I’m glad he’s in charge and you will eventually change your view or leave.I hope you change your views.
Trump’s already been proven correct on this-
Over the last few days, I’ve heard two different discussion participants on CNN and MSNBC observe Trump’s fixation on both the crowd size of the inauguration and the voter fraud storyline. Both persons made comments describing him as ‘adolescent’. Although, they did not specifically say he was being immature, I think this is what they were driving at.
I’ve had similar thoughts about Trump as well. The items he gets the most opinionated on or lies the most about are usually items regarding him personally. ie…Trump cannot accept the fact that he isn’t well liked and cannot accept the fact that he’s president not winning the popular vote.
It’s very much like a spoiled rich kid whom everyone agrees with so he doesn’t throw a tantrum. That’s Trump.
Even in this latest issue with the President of Mexico that cancelled his meeting with Trump, Trump seems to not like the fact he is being rejected. I’m almost willing to bet we’ll see a tweet saying that it was he (Trump) who cancelled the meeting and not the other way around.
To the short-fingered vulgarian, appearances matter much more than facts. The precedential little rich boy has learned well from the twenty-five years of shameful actual harassment and abuse of Hillary.
American have no shame. Jokes about Chelsea are okay, jokes about Trump’s offspring are not.
I suspect you didn’t figure this out but Chelsea Clinton is 36 yrs old. Trump’s boy is 10. Are you aware that 10 yr. old humans are also known as ‘children’ while 36 yr. old women married to unsuccessful hedge fund managers are considered ‘mature’? :) I know, it’s hard to grasp.
If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting.
You know what the above is? It’s Trump’s tweet BEFORE the Mex guy cancelled the meet. So it WAS Trump who caused the meeting to be cancelled and not the either way around.
Hmm… By the way, I don’t agree with Trump’s publicly humiliating the Mexican guy by telling him that he’s not welcome but I heard that they had a phone chat today and maybe they made up.
Trump’s tweet sounds like a suggestion, not directive. The word “would’ is definite give-away.
Besides, my point is that Trump is so insecure and immature about whether or not people like him, he’s prone to lying about it. I’ll wait for one of the many followup tweets he’s likely to have.
I’m willing to bet he’ll make the assertion that he (Trump) cancelled the meeting and not the reverse.
Hey, looky here: Trump argument bolstered: Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/
Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
But Alice Speri writes:
Trump, a sore loser even in victory, might have been simply obsessing over the 2.8 million ballots by which he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton
(note to Alice: I could be mistaken but Trump actually won? I believe it was Hillary who lost the election. Badly. Trump beat her to a pulp while spending half as much as she did, without much of a ‘ground operation’ to squeeze all possible vote out of… whoever can possibly vote and running against very much the entire hysterical MSM, the bipartisan punditry, Beyonce and the White House).
In this case, the second half of his statement — “depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!” — promises a serious threat to democracy
Wait, addressing voter fraud is ‘a serious threat do democracy’? Author seems to be far, far, far on the wild side. Am I wrong suggesting that eliminating or reducing voter fraud is ‘a good thing’?
Oh, and one more thing?
1 – Isn’t it true that anyone that can produce a driver’s license can register for vote in CA?
2 – Isn’t it also true that anyone in CA, including LEGAL permanent residents AND ILLEGALS can get a driver’s license?
Because if the above are true, then non-citizen legal residents and illegals CAN vote in California. And isn’t it either IDIOTIC or perhaps a very biased attempt to encourage and take advantage of illegal voting REFUSING to discuss or dismissing the above? I expect that no one is dumb enough to assume that when an opportunity is available to millions of humans (legal non-citizen residents and illegals) nobody is going to take advantage of it?
California Assembly Bill 60 ( AB-60) is a bill passed into law that, in effect, allows illegal immigrants to the United States to apply for a California driver’s license with the CA Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). … MAY be used to drive anywhere throughout the state of California.
You’ll need to provide name, date of birth, address, and an ID number such as your driver’s license, California ID or the last four digits of your Social Security number. You don’t have to select a political party when registering to vote.
no word, then, about Russian interference.
Ooops, I missed this one. I am sorry but anyone who believes in flat Earth or “Russian interference” belongs in the coo-coo basket. Oh, wait, there’s a Putin under my bed! Help!!
Arth : not really a critical thinker, are you?
“Because if the above are true, then non-citizen legal residents and illegals CAN vote in California. ”
No, you misstated the operative phrase. It is “non-citizen legal residents and illegals can “register to vote” in California. The gate is the registration and not the driver’s license.
Try to use a few more brain cells than what you use to masturbate, please.
Hey, Bardi, don’t worry about yourself. Not everyone can follow a complicated, 3-step process. I understand that something this complicated can bring someone like you into a brain overload condition so don’t you even try it because it’s dangerous.
I will summarize the 3-step process for you but I advise that you pause for a few minutes after each step so that your intellect can settle down a little and get itself ready for grasping the next step’s challenge. So, here you go.
If you are an illegal and you really, really want to vote for Hillary you do this:
1 – You get your State ID or driver’s license
2 – You go ‘online’ and fill in the registration form. It will ask you to provide your State ID number or driver’s license and your residence address. The ‘last 4 digits of your SSN are optional’ so you just check the box that says ‘I don’t have it’.
3 – You vote for Hillary on election day.
The way they verify that you are who you say you are is: they send a digitized copy of your signature from the dept. of transportation to the polling station that serves your stated home address and they verify that against your signature at the time of voting.
I understand how difficult it is to grasp or follow such things but it’s Okay. You don’t have to because… nobody cares, really.
Hey did you click on that link. Oh, never mind, I’m sure you forgot the beginning of my post by the time you reached the end but that’s okay. There is no attention span minimum requirement for the would-be Hillary cult members.
Since you couldn’t be bothered to do any follow-up, let me do it for you:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/trump-sticks-with-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/
In other words, the approach used to generate this figure are completely questionable according to the managers of the very database that the authors of the Old Dominion study relied upon! Secondly, these are EXTRAPOLATED figures, meaning they are merely projections based on past data! The individuals that rebutted the report said:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420
Get a clue, Arth
Last I heard, the WA Times, founded by Rev. Sun Moon of the Unification Church, continues to have credibility issues. Let me know how this shakes-out in real time.
BTW – A review of CA’s DMV website will quickly indicate that proof of USA citizenship is a requirement for licensing.
And, Mike, you ARE wrong. Let me quote from above:
California Assembly Bill 60 ( AB-60) is a bill passed into law that, in effect, allows illegal immigrants to the United States to apply for a California driver’s license with the CA Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). … MAY be used to drive anywhere throughout the state of California.
As for who funded or founded what… do you really want to go there? I suspect that you are aware WHO financed Hillary’s glorious campaign and WHO donates to her glorious foundation.
Arth, an AB60 CA drivers license looks different and is clearly marked as an AB60 license. It CANNOT be used for voting:
“AB60 driver license CANNOT be used:
as evidence of eligibility for public benefits;
as evidence of eligibility to vote;
as work authorization.”
http://www.h1b.biz/faq-ab-60-drivers-license.html
“The AB 60 license looks different than a regular California driver’s license:
On the front, it says, ‘federal limits apply.’ On the back, it says, ‘not acceptable for official federal purposes’.”
https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/california-ab-60-drivers-licenses
Arth, I’ve tried posting a reply several times here, but since I posted the same comment earlier, I can’t bypass WordPress.
See my much earlier comment. An AB60 drivers license is clearly marked as such and is not valid for voting purposes.
“An AB 60 license is valid for driving and for state ID purposes. An AB 60 license is not a federal ID and cannot be used for certain federal purposes, such as entering restricted parts of federal buildings. It does not give anyone the right to work, vote, or receive any benefits that the person wasn’t already eligible for.”
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/ab_60_4_27_15.pdf
Hmmm… I don’t know. This is the CA online registration form:
https://covr.sos.ca.gov/Home/MainForm
It asks for “California driver license or California identification card number”. Again, you may be correct and it’s possible that one entering an AB60 number may be auto rejected.
However, and I’m writing this as I am browsing through various sources, this is from True the Vote, an org that opposed the bill that created the AB60:
https://truethevote.org/true-vote-election-integrity-project-ca-call-gov-brown-veto-motor-voter-bill
It would be good if Trump was in fact serious about this investigation because we do need some clarity on the matter and I am all for preventing those ineligible to vote from voting. And, not, I don’t believe that US Citizens, whatever their race or social status may be are so shy as to not vote if they are required to identify themselves as citizens before voting.
On the other hand, I disagree with Florida’s preventing felons who completed their sentences from voting. We are all free citizens in this country or we should be so and those who paid the price for their transgressions have the same rights as any other free citizen.
I did not read the quoted study that claims 800,000 illegal votes for Hillary because there’s only so much time in a day but I suspect that the author explains how this is done.
Hmm… me too.
I believe that the Intercept only allows one URL per comment and my reply to you had 2 and it’s not posted.
I am not going to recreate my reply but here’s the summary:
– You seem to be correct that the intent of the legislators was to prevent non-citizens from using the illegals’ drivers licenses for voter registration.
– I found objections from an org named True the Vote claiming that in practice this was not the case.
– CA voter registration form https://covr.sos.ca.gov/Home/MainForm does not seem designed to reject the illegal’s driver license.
– I didn’t read the study that claims that Hillary received 800,000 illegal votes but I believe that an investigation was a good thing because truth can’t hurt… much.
– I disagree with certain states such as FL who prevent former felons who are US citizens from voting AFTER they served their sentences.
Jesse Richman discredited the WA Times use of his data and called it very deceptive.
I find it rather misleading that the headline of the article POSTED on the Washington Times is “Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens” – Please note the “could”
In contrast look at the URL and the the headline of the link you posted and the “could” is gone, look for yourself: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/
And look at the headline you posted: Trump argument bolstered: Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds. Curiously the headline is a solid fact rather than a possibility. Go look for yourself the actual POSTED headline: “Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens”
No wonder people are mislead.
Arth you were sold a bill of goods that is merely a theory and according to the information disputing theory, a very bad one.
Big city machine politics is notorious for various types of voter fraud. One of the less know examples is where they wheel elderly Alzheimer patients into the polls and their assistant “helps them” cast their vote.
In Chicago (The Spooky City), the dead have been known to vote.
This is a deceptive article, and anyone who claims that there is “no evidence” of voter fraud is either dishonest or simply not paying attention. There is more than ample evidence. After the 2012 election NC did a study and identified 100,000 people who voted there who had also voted in another state in the same election. (Same first and last names and same social security number.) The individuals who voted in NC may not have committed fraud, but someone voted in their name in another state. That’s fraud, on a large scale. Recently, a study in northeast VA found large numbers of non-citizens on the voter rolls. OR election officials have admitted that they do not ask for any sort of ID when registering voters, let alone proof of citizenship. There exist numerous YouTube videos of college students happily bragging about how they voted for Obama numerous times in 2008. (To my knowledge none were ever prosecuted, even though that’s a federal crime.) And of course Chicago is legendary for its dead voters. Voter “fraud” takes many forms, and there is clearly a lot of it in this country.
The article also refers to alleged Russian “fraud”. The Left loves to throw around the word “hacking” in this context, in a (largely successful) attempt to conflate the release of DNC internal emails with actual vote fraud or election tampering. But the DOJ has confirmed that there is absolutely no evidence that any Russian (or other) hackers affected the actual vote count; at most, all they did was release emails (none of which have ever been claimed to be fraudulent or fabricated). Even if the allegations are true (and frankly, I doubt that they are) the only impact the Russians had on our election was to disclose true information which was relevant to the voters. That is the antithesis of “fraud”. This is a classic case of “shoot the messenger”.
Voter fraud has historically been of little interest to prosecuting attorneys, since it’s difficult to prove and doesn’t generate headlines. That’s why there are so few such cases in the record. And with Democrats controlling much of the election machinery in this country there has been zero interest in conducting any actual investigation into the issue. But such an investigation is long overdue. Every fraudulent vote (whether by someone who is ineligible, or multiple votes by the same person) dilutes the impact of legitimate voters. It’s a serious issue and deserving of attention.
And that is more neoliberal/neoconservative BS. Election fraud is not coming from voters but from the establishment, whom with their heavily advocating voter suppression laws, purging millions from the rolls, throwing out millions of votes cast, the establishment installs THEIR favorite candidate, NOT ours..
No, it’s you who is being deceptive. If you’d actually read the article, you’d see that the author said “Out of 135 million votes cast on November 8, only four cases of voter fraud were documented.” So there is indeed evidence of voter fraud but it is absolutely negligible. Trump on the other hand, is throwing out unsubstantiated claims that there was systematic voting fraud occurring. Our President (I look forward to being able to say that without dying a little inside) is a pathological liar and a fool.
A couple things: (1) what do these studies have to do with the 2016 election? (2) please include links to these studies.
I take the fact that only 4 cases of voter fraud were documented out of 135 million votes cast as sure and certain proof that what “is absolutely negligible” is any effort by electoral officials to verify the validity of the tens of millions of mail in, provisional, absentee and undocumented votes cast on November 8. When we have a sitting president advising the public that “There is not a situation where somehow the voting rolls are turned over and people start investigating, etc,” it is clear that the “certified” vote totals submitted by state electoral commissions are useless as a data source in determining the extent of voter fraud.
This is exactly the type of backwards logic and fear-based views that fuel Trump’s actions.
Step 1: Create the perception that there exists rampant voter fraud.
Step 2: Convince those willing to listen that the lack of evidence of rampant voter fraud is itself evidence of a lack of electoral officials’ verification and validation of ballots. After all, there must be more than four instances, amirite!?
Step 3: Use this utterly unsubstantiated fear as the foundation to pass new voter laws that ultimately suppress the vote.
Step 4: Sit in bewilderment at the fact that this mostly seems to happen in Republican-controlled legislatures.
Step 5: Conclude that Step 4 must surely be a coincidence…. /s
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-acknowledge-leveraging-voter-id-laws-for-political-gain.html?_r=0
I have published a half dozen statistical analyses of global telecommunication markets for both services and infrastructure. If I ever tried to determine the reliability of a 135,000,000 member data set consisting of highly variable subsets (state requirements, polling stations, method of submission, verification method is used, etc) and came with an error rate of 0.00000000029629% I would know absolutely that I needed to review my methodology as human beings are not capable of such perfection. Science, not semantics, will out.
And I once stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Who gives a shit?
I’m not an expert on climate science, so I generally accepted the consensus of scientists who had spent years studying the issue.
Now that all government employed scientists, and perhaps even those who simply receive government funding for research, will sign a pledge stating that climate science is a fraud, the situation has changed somewhat.
However, I will remain consistent and support the (new) consensus.
Sorry, was commenting on the fraudulent climate scientists in another article, not the fraudulent voters in this one.
No one need be an expert on climate change…simply observe the obvious. Both poles are losing ice at an alarming rate and sea level is increasing, as indicated by flooding of islands and storm surges reaching farther inland…glaciers are becoming extinct. The rationale for climate change may be debatable, but most scientists agree that climate change is occurring.
Mike, can you name any period in the past… I don’t know, a million years if your memory can go that far, when climate change did not occur?
Ahhh, the good ol’ days, when to prevent election fraud, black voters were asked, “How many bubbles are there in a bar of soap?”
I predict the Stars and Bars will fly in former Segregation states, and a new national holiday…Dylan Roof Day.
Get rid of those aqui’ signs now!
White fountain, Latino fountain?
Si no quieres aqui quiers ayar ? Lmao
I have to agree with several others who have commented. This article is about voter fraud, not election fraud. I have a hard time believing that the author and the editors at The Intercept don’t know the difference between these two issues. The article is good, but the headline seems to be intentionally misleading.
Ms. Speri, were I you, I would demand the headline be changed to match the content of the article. This is a simple and appropriate fix to help you keep your journalistic integrity with a readership that actually pays attention to and cares about these things.
This is heading towards the fastest Impeachment in history.
Please, hold your breath…
The Democrats have fought every proposal or law pertaining to voter ID cards, proof of citizenship, etc for decades. Why? Those safeguards make illegal voting that much more difficult. Who can deny that potential illegal voters are most limey Democrat supporters? We have technology to produce chips in cards or drivers licenses that would screen for legal voters and not permit double voting. This could be “free” for all who have proof of citizenship verified by a national database. Make it easy for all colors and socioeconomic groups. What is wrong with an ID you can rely on? Most of us show our drivers license to cash a check or buy a six-pack. What’s the big deal?
Former SCOTUS judge William Rhenquist was a well-known voter suppressor in Arizona…search Operation Eagle Eye. Go ahead…go to a black district in blackface and try to get a “proper ID”. Bring a lunch, it’ll be a long day.
The fraud is giving drivers licenses to illegals who then use them to “qualify” to vote. The bigger potential fraud is how the votes are counted/tabulated and who is QA on the process.
Electronic voting machines absolutely should have a backup punched tape.
A scientific sampling post election Audit should be done to verify the result.
I live in Texas and proof of USA citizenship is required to obtain a drivers license. I looked at California’s requirements earlier today and proof is required. What states do no require USA citizenship, W0X0F?
He hurd it through Fox an’ Breitbart.
Washington is the only one who doesn’t ask for proof as far as I know…
Yeah, we were trying to do a recount in Michigan, but Trump’s lawyers and GOP shut it down…even though Trump supporters had equal access in witnessing and contesting during the process.
They don’t really want an investigation, they want to inact laws based on manufactured scandels.
It should be reiterated, as Mateo did below, that there is a distinct & definitive legal difference between “voter fraud,” about which this article was written involving an individual voting illegally by voting more than once, in the wrong place, or by being a noncitizen–all of which are unheard of–& “election fraud,” of which this article does not reference in any way, shape, or form regarding the altering of voting ballots, tabulations, or records of any kind by election officials involved in the conducting of an election that results in a change in the final tabulation of ballots marked toward a specific candidate or candidates for office–which is all-too-easy to do given the weaknesses in electronic voting machines & the common carrier lines the tabulations from counties to state capitals travel through.
It should be noted that while Dr. Jill Stein attempted to audit the vote in three states–Michigan, Pennsylvania, & Wisconsin–in the end, there was no real audit of any kind. Michigan’s recount was canceled by court ruling before the it could start. Pennsylvania’s recount was choked off by its byzantine election system & courts. While the results did ultimately change, there was no complete hand-recounting of paper ballots in all the counties that had them nor was there a forensic investigation of DREs that have no paper ballot of any kind in the rest of Pennsylvania’s counties. Wisconsin’s recount, while reported as having occurred & completed, never chose to hand-recount the paper ballots in their state & the individual who made the decision to rely on the existing tabulations was a Democrat.
The main reason for such resistance is institutional. The various election divisions within the executive branches of each state government never like nor want any investigation of their activities as they will undoubtedly lead to accountability that could sanction employees & management to the point of being fired. It’s interesting that Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted mentions the “review” conducted in 2012 since he was ordered to do so by the courts that led to at least one firing that I’m aware of & possibly more.
That does not mean that Trump & his Republican Party allies weren’t fighting tooth & nail in the courts in all three states to quash all three attempts at recounts. They, of course, did. What it does mean is that you can give up any notion that this recount was somehow engineered by Hillary Clinton & her Democratic Party allies. She could have insisted on a hand-recount of paper ballots in Wisconsin & got it, yet for some reason chose not to.
It also means that all the hue & cry over Russian hacking & interference of the election by the intelligence community could have been easily answered if they were truly serious about getting to the bottom of such accusations by using their considerable influence to see a nationwide hand-recount of all paper ballots & forensic investigation of all DREs done in thorough & complete fashion. They simply chose to ignore that possibility even as Jill Stein’s recount effort was making headlines.
(Full Disclosure: I supported & voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Democratic Party nominating contest, then supported & voted for Dr. Jill Stein in the general election. I despise both Donald Trump & the Clintons for their tremendously long histories of corruption & terrible policies.)
Yet it must be restated just how easy it would be for anyone to alter the final results of an election in any given precinct, municipality, county, state, & yes, even the entire nation itself when the voting machines themselves can be so easily hacked without notice & the data packets of voting tabulations can be so easily intercepted along the common carrier lines by which they travel.
While I must say I have no evidence with which to support the following, I must also say I do believe that such alterations to voting tabulations did occur. The problem is without any evidence to give us any leads, the list of suspects is enormously vast, & thanks to institutional resistance & Trump’s lawyers, we may never learn who the culprit is. Here’s hoping for a truly awesome leak.
Seriously, though, Ms. Speri. You need to tell your editor to change the title of your article to the following: “TRUMP’S OBSESSION WITH FAUX VOTER FRAUD SETS THE STAGE FOR FEDERAL VOTER SUPPRESSION.” The current headline is wrong.
When Mr. Trump says there were 5M fraudulent votes, he simply means that he plans to disenfranchise 5M voters. People mis-characterize this as ‘lying'; it is more accurate to say that he is changing reality.
Also a little number on crosscheck.
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
The DNC rigged it for Clinton with voter suppression and the Republican Secretary’s of State like Chris Kobach rigged it for Trump with crosscheck. If the US had a democracy Sanders would be President right now. Chalk one up for the confederates, christian zealots, the robber barons 2.0, corporatists (fascists),and the Zionist maniacs (did I leave anyone out?).
All hail President Chester Cheetos Trump. A true American hero and true corporate mascot.
Here’s an article on the so called recount that occurred.
http://columbusfreepress.com/article/real-story-recount
You are living in an alternate universe as well. Bernie lost by a large margin to Clinton. The primaries were held on favorable terms for him, yet he continued to mislead his flock. The ONLY way he could have become the Democratic nominee was a back-room deal which he said he was against.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/
Most older Democrats do not want the wholesale changes Bernie wants. In addition, there are many young Dems who have paid their own way thru college, gotten good jobs and do not envision Bernie’s dream. That’s why he was out of step with moderate Democrats. Wait….he’s not a Democrat, so there you go.
signed,
SeattleGuy for Debbie Wasserman Schultz
The Democrats lost to their FAVORITE opponent. The USA wishes to thank the mindless Clintonistas, including, sadly, John Lewis, for backing an entitled, blonde white woman from Goldman Sachs.
Oh you mean the universe of alternative facts? Or the universe where Hillery isn’t a feminist, where the voting rights act hasn’t been gutted, where independents can vote in every primary, where paper ballots are mandatory and every ballot is counted, where almost every politician in Washington isn’t a millionaire, where corporations aren’t people, where super PACs are illegal, where racism in the states is over, where treaties with the indigenous populations are respected and followed, where nature and animal rights are written into the constitution, where the police aren’t militarized and military isn’t a police force, where the majority of your tax dollars go towards renewable energy infrastructure and not towards military adventurism, where the US is a democracy and not a neo fascist oligarchy?
Yeah cause Bernie could of ran as an independent and had favourable terms right? The US isn’t a duopoly right? Oh wait it isn’t. It has now become a corptocracy.
Hillery came, we saw, she lied.
If we focus on that guy’s obsessions, we’ll be hunting red herrings for the rest of forever. Somebody’s gotta run this county :b
Instead, the intelligence agencies and establishment media are focused on Hillary’s obsessions, and are hunting reds.
According to published reports President Donald Trump’s National Diversity Coalition, led by white attorney Michael Cohen and Pastor Darrell Scott hosted the Amer-I-Can Inauguration Party at the offices of a K-Street law firm. 35 people paid $2,500 and approximately another 150 paid $1,000 to attend. Attorney Cohen and Pastor Scott pledged National Diversity Coalition financial support for legendary athlete Jim Brown’s Amer-I-Can foundation. The most recent available nonprofit tax form (2014 records) for Amer-I-Can demonstrates expenditures of $271,553, including $138,634 in salaries and $129,332 in expenses. However, Jim Brown and his wife are said to be the only listed employees. Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer outlined President Trump’s plan to curb violence and empower black communities. According to Cohen, President Trump intends to support mentoring and promote self-determination primarily through Brown’s Amer-I-Can foundation. Cohen also would not say how much money the Trump administration intends to put into the Amer-I-Can foundation, though he promised the nonprofit would see some investment.
https://theundefeated.com/…/jim-brown-tells-black…/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/…/u8sDBdTnrWH7Oo…/story.html
In his Twitter profile Scott referred to himself as Dr. Darrell Scott. President Donald Trump has also referred to Scott as “Dr. Darrell Scott.” In his church bio Scott’s says: “Already a 21st Century Theologian and Scholar in his own right, Dr. Darrell went on to receive his Doctorate of Divinity in November of 2004.” That is, his bio is worded in a way that creates the impression that he earned the degree. To use the title “Dr.” is inappropriate and misleading since the degree was not earned. Compounding the problem is the questionable status of the college. St. Thomas Christian University is not accredited by any Department of Education or Council for Higher Education Accreditation recognized accrediting body. St. Thomas is currently unlicensed in the state of Florida. Mr. Scott appears to be using his degree from an unaccredited school to create an impression that he earned a doctorate.
http://www.patheos.com/…/trump-transition-team-member…/
Alice,
Please learn the definition of election fraud and the definition of voter fraud and use them appropriately. The terms are not interchangeable and have two completely different connotations.
President Satan is referring to “voter fraud”, and his people are doubling down that millions of people voted illegally which is the absurdity you should be focused on.
What the Intercept has failed to report on is election fraud. There are numerous cases of “election fraud” in multiple states including New York, California, and Arizona that suppressed millions and millions of voters, and lawsuits that confirm mishandling, and irregularities that led to millions of votes being suppressed.
Please educate yourself; as there are scores of Americans from all sorts of walks of life across this country that are legitimately pursuing legal action in the courts regarding election fraud in the primaries. Please stop berating and belittling their efforts through your ignorance of the definition of “election fraud” faux or not. Your headline degrade the most paramount movement in America today, restoring the sanctity of our democracy, our elections, our ballot casting process, and how those votes are counted.
Furthermore, Ms Speri, I pose a question to you as an investigative journalist by asking how is it that the media fails the American people everyday by not asking 2 fundamental questions regarding transparency and accountability for our elections?
1.How do you know your vote was received?
2. Most importantly how do you know your vote was counted?
Here in lies a question that nary a Secretary of State in any of the 50 states will answer, for good reason.
If you can’t win honestly, then cheat…the motto of the 2 political parties (especially the Repubs, but also the Dems more recently).
We just witnessed an exhausting ‘investigation’ into whether or not the Russians helped Trump win the Presidency….and nary a solid fact supported it. But the Democrats were adamant. They simply could not believe that they lost, so instead of some self-analysis, they exhibited cognitive dissonance on a grand scale and pretended that it was all really Trump’s fault.
I was neither a fan of Trump or HRC…but if we are to put this issue at rest, then bring on the investigations! If there are illegals voting, or dead people, or over ballots, etc… stop them now. We are either going to have as pure and precise an election in this country or we don’t.
Let’s see the real numbers, hopefully by analysts without a partisan slant, who can actually do some independent digging. Stop it now, or this ground swell (on both sides) will just continue to escalate in the years to come.
I would whole-heartedly support regulations that make it more difficult for illegals to vote… but only if they’re backed by regulations that make it easier for citizens to vote.
Plans to cement right-wing control of the US have been in place for decades. Now that they’ve run the table, there is no reason to think it won’t happen. If you won the lotto, what’s the first thing you would do? Secure it.
Why was it when the left wanted a recount she got millions of dollars in a few days, but when President Trump talks about an investigation into voter fraud you say President Trump is obsessed. Your biased left thinking is showing. Not good journalism. I would not give you a passing grade for this one sided article.
This strategy (claiming voter fraud) has been a Republican Party staple for years. Every election cycle, Republicans scream and cry voter fraud. I find it a strange dynamic developing that rank and file Republican congressmen and senators like Lyndsay Graham are now stating there is no voter fraud as he recently said the other day.
It seems as if Republican want to hedge their support for Trump.
Fascinating.