Following an executive order signed late Friday, President Donald Trump on Saturday launched a sweeping attack on the travel rights of individuals from more than a half-dozen Muslim-majority countries, turning away travelers at multiple U.S. airports and leaving others stranded without answers — and without hope — across the world.
Trump’s order triggered waves of outrage and condemnation at home and abroad, prompting thousands of protesters to flood several American airports and ultimately culminating in a stay issued by a federal district judge in New York City on the deportation of people who were being detained by immigration officials. Similar stays were issued by judges in Washington state, Massachusetts, and Virginia.
The administration’s assault on civil liberties explicitly targeted the world’s most vulnerable populations — refugees and asylum seekers fleeing devastating wars — as well as young people with student visas pursuing an education in the United States, green card holders with deep roots in the country, and a number of citizens of countries not included in the ban. It also impacted American children traveling with, or waiting to meet, their non-citizen parents.
With an estimated 500,000 people in the crosshairs, Trump’s order was carried out swiftly and sowed confusion among the nation’s immigration and homeland security agencies — which were excluded from the drafting process and were scrambling to understand how to implement it, according to media reports and two government officials who spoke to The Intercept.
“We are violating international law.”
Days before the executive order was signed, reports began to emerge that valid visa holders were suddenly being prevented from re-entering the country after taking trips abroad. A senior U.S. immigration official, who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation, confirmed to The Intercept that the rash of unusual student visa revocations began roughly a week before the official order was signed.
Many of the stories the official heard about were anecdotal. Others, however, the official was able to review via internal Department of Homeland Security monitoring systems. While visas are revoked every day with little explanation afforded to those affected, the backgrounds of the individuals in these cases raised no red flags, the official said. On the contrary, the impacted individuals whose files the official reviewed included a young mother of a U.S. citizen child and students at some of the nation’s top universities who had been publicly recognized for their outstanding achievement. These students had already undergone rigorous U.S. government vetting before being admitted to the country, and had only traveled abroad briefly over their winter break.
The Intercept has independently verified two of these stories by speaking to those denied entry, who asked that their names not be used because they are attempting to appeal the decisions.
“The visa terminations struck me as unusual given that in the cases that I observed, nearly all of them had significant presence in the United States before the ban,” the official told The Intercept. “More disturbing, in some cases the individuals were allowed to board flights for the United States not knowing their visas had been terminated. They were only informed when they attempted to use their visas to seek admission and were denied. Even though they were ignorant of the termination, they were still charged with violating U.S. immigration law and given a five-year ban to future admission.”
By the time Trump traveled to the Department of Homeland Security to trumpet the signing of his first anti-immigrant executive order Wednesday, the immigration official had personally reviewed four visa revocation cases that seemed to be out of the ordinary. In addition to young people with passports belonging to countries later targeted in Trump’s executive order, at least two were traveling on Jordanian passports. All were denied entry to the United States. In one case, the visa of an Ivy League medical student was revoked by Customs and Border Protection while he was in the air from a European layover to the U.S.
It’s unclear whether the visa revocations last week were related to the subsequent ban. “But the timing of the revocations indicates that CBP supervisors felt sufficiently empowered to use their discretion to deny admission and cancel the visas in these cases,” the immigration official said.
The students repatriated earlier this week were also charged with violating U.S. immigration law — despite their valid visas — much in the same manner as some of those who were denied entry on Saturday, after the ban kicked in.
In another case the immigration official reviewed, a Syrian woman traveling to the U.S. from a third country on Saturday was denied entry and told she had to return to her port of origin. After consulting immigration attorneys volunteering at the airport, the woman — along with several other students, tourists, and business visitors — formally requested “humanitarian parole,” which allows temporary entry in emergency situations. When they were all denied that, she requested asylum, explaining that she did not have residency in the third country she had flown from and feared returning to Syria.
She was told she was not eligible to request asylum and that she had no choice but to return to her airport of origin, and then was walked to her gate. A lawyer she had briefly been able to communicate with told the immigration official that the woman was later made to sign a paper stating that she understood she had violated immigration law.
“A bedrock of refugee and asylum law is the concept of non-refoulement — not returning an individual to a place where they will be harmed,” the immigration official told The Intercept. Under international law, the United States is required to screen applicants to ensure they will not face persecution if returned to their countries, a process known as “credible fear screening.”
“Asylum law requires CBP officers to affirmatively ask if an applicant fears return when placing them into expedited removal,” the immigration official said. “By pressuring them to simply get on a plane without going into formal removal proceedings, they are violating our obligations under the refugee convention.”
“We are violating international law.”
“We really are still learning the impact of the order.”
Questions, fear, and confusion ran deep on Saturday — not only among those directly impacted by the ban but also by those trying to help them. “We are in the same boat as everyone else trying to determine and understand the meaning of the provisions in the executive order,” said Steve Letourneau, CEO of the Catholic Charities Maine Refugee and Immigration Services, the primary provider of refugee resettlement services in the state. “We really are still learning the impact of the order.”
Refugee and immigrant advocates were not the only ones scrambling to cope with the impact of the order — many immigration officials tasked with enforcing it were also at a loss. On Saturday, reports emerged that the Trump administration denied the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice input on the drafting of the order. While the visa revocations described by the immigration official we interviewed suggest that some CBP officials had indications of what was coming, there were also reports that even among career immigration and State Department officials, “nobody has any idea what is going on,” NBC News reported.
A State Department official confirmed this account to The Intercept. “De facto, we were not consulted, not how we’d normally be consulted. We had less than a day to review vague details,” said the official, who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation. “This normally takes weeks of conversation. This EO took hours, and we never, never saw the final draft.”
“The ban took everyone by surprise,” the official added. “We’ve known things were in the works all week, but have basically been in the dark.”
“We honestly don’t know what is going to happen,” said the immigration official. “The EOs are extremely vague and some of our talk is based upon worst case scenarios. We have heard rumors coming from upper DHS echelons, but nothing concrete.”
The enormity of the executive order — slated to affect hundreds of thousands of people as well as severely impact the United States’ relationships with several countries — seemed to indicate it was written with little appreciation of the workings of the system it sought to undo.
“I think the government hasn’t had a full chance to think about this,” said Judge Ann Donnelly, who issued an emergency stay in response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU and other organizations and ordered the government to provide a list of names of the people affected. That stay — the first win in what will inevitably be many legal battles to come — only applies to people currently in the United States or in transit to the country.
“She has her visa, she has everything. We even paid for her green card to come here.”
While reports multiplied of airport detentions and forced repatriations, so too did stories of panic and heartbreak among families who found themselves suddenly separated and desperate for information on when they’d be able to see their loved ones again.
Anfal Hussain was among the worried and the waiting pacing the terminals at JFK airport in New York City as the implications of Trump’s order became increasingly clear. “It’s my mom,” Hussain told The Intercept, explaining that her mother had flown from Iraq to join her daughters in the U.S. that morning. “She was in the air when Trump was like, ‘No one is allowed to visit the United States,’” Hussain said. “She has her visa, she has everything. We even paid for her green card to come here. And we’re both citizens, me and my sister.”
Hussain said her sister was able to speak to their mother briefly after she landed Saturday morning. She was crying and scared, Hussain said. “She doesn’t really speak English,” she added, and it was her first time traveling to the U.S. Hussain explained that her mother’s husband had passed away recently and she had no one left in Baghdad, a city increasingly riven by violence nearly a decade and a half after the U.S. invasion.
“She wanted to be with us,” Hussain said. “She wanted to be with her daughters.”
As the wide-ranging scope of the executive order became clear, immigration attorneys and advocates, as well as universities, issued warnings to citizens of the banned countries not to leave the United States. CLEAR, a New York-based group that is offering free legal advice to those impacted by the ban, circulated a fact sheet explaining how people in the country on different immigration statuses would be impacted if they left. It also warned green card holders denied entry not to sign any forms at the border abandoning their permanent residency.
But even as protesters in airports across the country broke into jubilation at the news of the stay, some people at those airports continued to be denied entry and, in some cases, were still threatened with forcible removal.
Our video report from Los Angeles International Airport.
Although DHS issued a statement saying it would comply with the court orders, at Los Angeles International Airport, Sara Yarjani, an Iranian citizen, was told by CBP officials she had to board a flight to Copenhagen, despite the nationwide stay and against the protests of lawyers and two U.S. congresswomen who were present. The representatives, Rep. Judy Chu and Rep. Nanette Barragan, asked over the phone to meet with CBP officials, who refused. When asked who they were reporting to, the officials said “Donald J. Trump,” then hung up on them.
The Intercept was not able to confirm whether Yarjani was on the flight when it took off or whether she remained detained at the airport.
While nationals of seven countries — Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen — have been targeted for exclusion so far, lawyers say that number could soon increase. Trump’s order calls for a 30-day review period in which the secretary of state and the director of national intelligence will compile “information needed for adjudications and a list of countries that do not provide adequate information.”
“The executive order is drafted in a manner that anticipates the extension of the ban. It’s clear that the White House expects that this is going to affect more people and more countries going forward,” Gadeir Abbas, a Washington, D.C.-based civil rights attorney, told The Intercept. “There is a lot of ambiguity in the language used in the order — and executive power thrives on ambiguity.”
A section of the order also calls for the suspension of visas and “other immigration benefits” to nationals of targeted countries. Abbas said this reference to non-visa immigration benefits indicates a likely intention on the part of the Trump administration to target green card holders already in the United States.
“The changes in this order are not limited to border crossings. The text indicates that restrictions can also apply to immigration benefits such as green card renewal for those who are already inside the country,” Abbas said. “You could be a green card holder for 20 years and be prevented from renewing your documents — this is something that would impact a huge number of people.”
On Saturday, the State Department also confirmed that dual nationals of other countries would be subject to the ban on entry. A number of dual Iranian-Canadian citizens have already been prevented from boarding flights into the United States or were sent back after landing there, The Intercept has learned.
But while there are no official accounts on the number of people impacted who were traveling when the ban took effect, the impact on those temporarily outside the country is likely exponentially larger. The stay does not apply to them, and it’s unclear how many people were stranded outside the country after their visas and green cards were suddenly revoked.
A Texas resident named Stephanie Felten who contacted The Intercept said that her sister-in-law, an Iranian green card holder who has lived in Chicago for over a decade, was stranded in Iran after traveling there last week to visit family. With her in Iran is her 3-year-old daughter, an American citizen, who now has no way to return to the United States with her mother. Iran has promised a reciprocal ban on American citizens traveling there, effectively making it impossible for the child to see her father or the rest of her family.
“Nobody is providing any answers right now,” said Felten. “We’re just trying to confirm what we’re hearing. You can read the executive order and try to make determinations, but then news breaks that even people that are dual citizens are being turned away. Everyone is unsure where to turn.”
“My family have become refugees from my country.”
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Lynn Dombek, Spencer Woodman, and Leighton Woodhouse contributed reporting to this article.
Top photo: A woman greets her mother after she arrived from Dubai on Emirates Flight 203 at John F. Kennedy International Airport in Queens, New York, on Jan. 28, 2017.
THERE IS NO MUSLIM BAN !!!
Read the goddam Executive Order.
The media is creating this hysteria. We need to protect this country first.
I think it may be time to move on from the chaos of what happened to the seven countries to the mystery of what is going to be demanded of the others! The spooks will “conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.”
I think some media are assuming this is window-dressing for arbitrarily banning Muslims, but I see no reason to assume this is not Deep Spy State Total Information Awareness shit. I mean, Trump met with Theresa May, the head spy cheerleader of them all, immediately before issuing the order. So NSA and GCHQ presumably have got their ducks in a row about what they want to demand, and I bet it’s not a current postal address. What are the countries supposed to collect and hand over if their people are to be allowed to come work in U.S. tech firms? Are we talking videocameras on the streets, or in the toilets? As striking as this measure was at start, I think the finish is the part to watch out for.
You just have to love how articulate people are with their profanity in comments and attacking each other, while real points slide by; number one being American imperialism. Overthrew Iran in 53′ and it has gone downhill ever since and here we are.
No, Iran is good now with all the hundreds of millions of dollars that Obama just sent them, while they continue to violate the new deal that Obama forced through, even before the ink is dry on it. Obama showed what a chump he is with this Iran deal.
Meanwhile, Saudi and US despots talk for the first time, and they agree …
I don’t see what the big deal is. It’s not like Trump cares. Everyone just needs to fall in step. You know, like a goose step. And wear all black with a red and black star like logo wrapped around their arm. And say, “Hail Trump” a lot of times in a row. Hmmm, hail Trump would sound better in a different language I think.
3 syllables makes it sound right:
“Hail Turd Pump” .. repeat
The solution to this entire problem is simple. Bush Cheney and Obama, and the in-place agency heads and ceo’s of the MSM who pushed the WMD, can all together board a flight to Iraq and points about for the Great Apology Tour and do a question answer thing with all in attendance.
should work along with a very large checkbook.
Sorry doods.
You can’t compare Muslims and Jews. Jews were not responsible for bombing shopping centers and shooting up night clubs and bent on world domination and instituting Sharia Law. They didn’t oppress gays and women, and other religion minorities. People are asinine making this comparison.
Whoever at the Intercept is in charge of titling articles should do a better job. Trump’s order is not a “Muslim ban”. It is a pause in giving visas to people from several countries (mostly those bombed by Obama) until the new State Department gets a handle on vetting procedures. Both 90 and180 days have been floated for that process. The main stream media have hyped false descriptions as usual and I hate to see the Intercept fall into that category.
Yeah, false descriptions like Rudy Giuliani’s.
When you’re trying to bullshit the world, you should definitely keep Rudy the Cryptkeeper locked in his crypt and away from camera and microphones.
Send them to Saudi Arabia, we don’t need those people for anything other than causing trouble. Europe in solidarity with Trump, we have the same problem americans have.
The momentum is already dying down, damn it.
Apart from it being (for most) largely a chance to thumb their noses at Trump, the majority of people as far as I can tell (and I’m on the West Coast) don’t really object to the ban at all – any more than they gave a hoot that Obama deported more people than any other president.
I’m hearing the objection that Saudi Arabia and UAE are not on the list, so it’s arbitrary – which is true, but the implication is that Trump is behind this exclusivity ignores history and the Deep State’s alliances, inclusive of the Obama/Clinton era.
So partisanship still runs high, and this real issue is losing steam and further sinking into hypocrisy instead of uniting the populace with a principled resoluteness to embody goodness.
I’m not clear on the momentum question, but I said at the outset that I didn’t expect long and large protests from Americans in general. The victims here are mostly Muslims and Americans have been brainwashed to despise them for a very long time.
The most important questions, here and now, are legal questions. We need the courts to shut this down, hard, and they are starting to do so (scroll on down). The best way to help is to support the legal efforts.
If you have an “extra” $5 (what young person who has to work for a living has extra money?), send it to the ACLU. They will do more good in this circumstance than almost any number of demonstrators or (gag me) politicians.
If you don’t have money, call the ACLU or CAIR or the National Lawyers Guild or any other entity involved in the legal battle and ask about other ways to help.
I’d sure like to help with donating but indeed I’m a student-debt disaster working 2 jobs just to stay afloat. Others here can take your advice, though. The legal side isn’t as overtly Trump-snubbing so may attract less agenda-fueled rowdiness… but that aspect is actual resistance that matters concretely, so even more important.
“Goodness”??? Seriously???
If you are under the impression that most Americans regard immigration as an obligatory act of “goodness”, you are up for a severe disappointment.
Well I’m sure as hell finding most older people a fucking disappointment today. Selfish, cowardly bastards pulling the ladder up after them.
Next time you pull into a truckstop in middle America, chat with the drivers — male, female, any age — and ask whether they agree they are morally obliged to allow anyone into the country who wants to come as an obligatory act of “goodness”.
I am assuming, of course, that you have ever actually graced a truckstop in middle America with your presence, which frankly seems unlikely. And even more unlikely you’ve ever actually talked with the loathsome low-lifes who keep your supermarket shelves from runnoing dry.
If you find their answers disagreeable, I suggest you travel a bit wider circle and discover how the world actually works, rather than how you think it does or should work.
Every nation on the planet with borders — which is to say all of them — regards its territory as a common benefit for its own citizens and any other migrants those citizens may choose to share it with. Or not, as they prefer. Not to put too sharp a point on it, but those citizens decide. Not the would-be migrants.
I do not know of a single exception in the developed world. But when you find a place you and John Lennon would approve of, please post here with your discovery.
I don’t need to visit a truckstop in the Midwest to meet miserable old bastards who would, like sociopaths, easily let someone die of being in unfortunate circumstances. Hell, they walk past homeless people here with sneers of disgust (or pretenses of not seeing them) on the streets of Oakland or L.A., and they also show their true colors on days like today.
Then I invite you to meet some of the young bastards whose views are no different. If you wish to take in the homeless, nothing prevents you. How many are currently camped out with you in your apartment?
My friends and I have fed some, and even chipped in money we can’t afford; some of us volunteer at shelters.
“Not my problem,” you bastards say, and sure, some young people are jerks, too – raised by heartless cretins it’s probably hard not to be.
I’ve heard drivel like yours all fucking day. Go to bed, or go to hell. Don’t forget clutch your precious private property tight while you sleep, gloating that you are not as other men.
Actually, Maisie, you have no clue what I do. That you pretend yourself capable of mind reading only enhances the effect of someone desperate to demonstrate their virtue to others. Most people who are charitable don’t mention it to others. Apparently you haven’t yet noticed that.
I can’t read minds, but I can read comments.
Yeah, I’m sure you’re a peach. A veritable truckstop Jesus.
You hide your moral courage so well, disguising yourself as a typical jerk without a clue.
does that excuse work for older people, too–raised by hearltess creting? ? and don’t young people have a responsibility to be moral? this reeks of ageism. the elites of this country have been screwing everybody for a long time. no age group has a monopoly on morality
You’re forgetting one thing in your lecture: Many of these people have become migrants because of the actions of the U.S. and they mistakenly believed the propaganda the U.S. was there to help them. Therefore when your country has been destroyed why not come to the land of your saviours?
It may have escaped your notice, but we have 320 frickin million people living in this country. We’re the third most populous country on the planet. The environmental catastrophe in the last 400 years in this country of unbridled immigration needs to stop. The number one reason of climate change is overpopulation. That and people like Leonardo DiCaprio that spew pollution, fly around in private jets, live in 20,000 sq ft houses and lecture the rest of us.
I think she’s under the correct impression that far too many Americans aren’t “good” at all. Much less do they recognize moral and legal obligations to migrants, unless forced to.
And some of you are not only unapologetic, you revel in your contempt for the good.
Tell us, bh2, do you follow or adhere to any moral or ethical code, model or set of principles? If you do, could you let us know what they are?
Does your wife enjoy the beatings, or does she object?
Tell us, bh2, do you follow or adhere to any moral or ethical code, model or set of principles? If you do, could you let us know what they are?
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. But you answer my question first and I’ll happily answer your smug one in detail.
You show no indication of subscribing to an ethical model that is other than selfish, vile and reprehensible.
Mean-spirited, self-centered, self-assured and half-bright. It’s an ugly, and common, combination here in our great nation.
It’s been my uniform experience that people who retreat into ad hominem attacks are mean-spirited, self-centered, and invariably as smug as they are insecure. Some are bright. Others only believe they are, which tends to exaggerate their weakness.
Ah, you don’t seem to know what ad hominem actually means. I shall elucidate:
Ad hominem is a logical fallacy characterized by an attempt to refute or rebut an argument by attacking the character, etc. of a person advancing the argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. I have not done that.
I have done two things:
1. Challenged your arguments in their substance; and
2. Insulted you because you have demonstrated that you richly deserve it.
See? Two different things. Now, fuck off, you miserable bigot. You’re not fooling anyone here except whatever other random bigots may have temporarily joined us.
Obama didn’t deport anyone. Obama didn’t deport a soul.
That imp deported illegals (he probably said “folks”) like he added manufacturig jobs. As in zero.
Just to provide a little relevancy check about which countries host or contribute the most migrants according to UN statistics: https://www.statista.com/chart/7636/which-countries-host-and-send-the-most-migrants/
The US far outstrips all other nations in hosting migrants. We hardly need apologize for not doing “enough”.
Not on point. We’re not talking about migrants in general, so don’t try to deflect and misdirect.
It’s very much on point. The US accepts persons from virtually every country and in larger numbers than any other nation.
That persons from these particular countries are being banned as a nationality is an extreme exception in response to an extreme threat — real or perceived. And it is for a limited period of time only, to boot. (What will follow is anyone’s guess, of course, and therefore a goldmine for speculation.)
Persons included in the temporary ban are not automatically “refugees”, who obtain that elevated status only if they qualify according to strict requirements agreed under international law, and in most cases are simply economic migrants or their relatives. They are not “refugees”.
Pretending for the sake of faux outrage that all persons banned by this temporary order are “refugees” is simply nonsense from the usual suspects.
Certain minority groups well known to be viciously targeted by ISIS as infidels are exempt, which demonstrates actual “refugees” (correctly defined) will be excused from this ban.
Shiites? Yazidi?
You’re just full of it.
I’m sorry but who the hell would want to visit the U.S.? With a fascist asshole for a President that’s like wanting to visit North Korea.
Not the point. Irrelevant and immaterial.
Maybe. But not to the people sitting in airport detention and being deported.
Maybe the plan is working. We’re hoping a whole lot fewer people will want to visit the US, especially the variety that plan to live in perpetuity on welfare and send for the rest of the family back in the old country to come do the same.
US Officials speaking on condition of anonymity said “Giddy agents of the Department of Trumps Gestapo, have been polishing their jackboots for weeks in anticipation of stomping on Muslim faces with impunity. Moreover jokes are circulating regarding using certain chemicals on their boots that release on impact and permanently tattoo the victims face with a number that can only be seen by infrared sensors used by the victims country of origin’s security forces to round up those who tried to escape in order to punish them further. President Trump has signed an EO declaring those agents with 100 successful face stompings will receive the newest Medal of Service to His Excellency who will personally award each winner, depending on whether or not he is assassinated before hand, as rumor has it two of his food tasters have already suffered death at the hand of unknown would be assassins. The President has ordered the torture of certain food preparation and serving staff to obtain any information leading to the capture of said unknown assassins.
Furthermore, Excellency SummerSquash has declared the White House unfit to live and perform his duties in, and has now moved the entire White House staff, the Secret Service Clown entertainment unit, all the McDonalds childrens playroom equipment, his 100 TV’s and gold leafed toilet and 300 armed Trumpster guards, to His Excellency’s previous 3 floor gilded apartment/office complex atop Trump Towers, where he will direct his latest and greatest MAGA Executive Order whereby, at the risk of imprisonment, or even death by 1000 Tweet paper cuts, every single human being on the planet shall bow down in the direction of Trump Towers, three times daily, in exalted worship while reciting the new Prayer of Allegiance, penned by His Excellency’s resident Minister of Propaganda Bannon. Meanwhile, no response was given to this reporters inquiry, although, I did receive a direct order to STFU or I’ll be sued.
Meanwhile, His Excellency’s first Lady, has been arrested and imprisoned for making faces and sticking her tongue out at his Excellency behind his back. May god have mercy on her tongue. White House staff have placed a yard sale sign on the White House lawn for all her belongings.
By the way this is a stupid charade for left wing fascists aka american ‘progressives’ to pretend to be the good guys when in reality their favorite passtime is to murder children to get cheap oil. Just ask obomba.
Every body who is not a complete hypocrite knows perfectly well that the US has a completly fascist TRAVEL policy let alone immgration policy, In order to get a visa to enter the american cesspool, even as TOURIST, people are subjected to all sorts of abuses and stupid paperwork AND THEN their visas are denied.
So, there isn’t actually any news here. This is just business as usual. The sort of business that both left wing and right wing american fascists fully endorse.
Srop pretending to be nice and progressive. You are despicable totalitarians.
quote” This is just business as usual.”unquote
While you are correct the United States is the posterchild for Warcrimes-R-Us, just yesterday, under President SummerSquash’s current leadership, innocent men, women and children in Yemen were incinerated via Drone delivered Hellfire from above. So don’t give me that shit about “liberal” foreign policy bullshit. The only reason that scumsucking sociopath in the Whitehouse is forcing those fleeing from 7 countries with a MAJORITY of Muslim citizens is.. he wants to…quote.. “bomb the shit out of them” . ALL OF THEM. Meanwhile, do us a favor Mr. Shitferbrains.. slither on back to that cesspool you were spawned in. Because your stench is overwhelming us.
So where were all the protests when Obama was bombing the people of these countries?
That’s a good question, but don’t let it overshadow the importance of the resistance going on now.
Perhaps the resistance going on now is precisely what makes Virginia Ham’s question the far more relevant one. Attempting to set it aside as if it has no bearing on present events requires a certain suspension of belief suitable only while reading works of literary fiction. But dangerous when entertaining political fiction which is no longer believable to a majority of Americans.
The dim dems completely screwed the pooch on immigration and have only themselves to thank for the eventual, inevitable backlash. That they find this to be shocking only demonstrates their smug, inbred conviction that they and they alone have a valid stake or a voice in how the country will be governed.
That’s a lot of words to demonstrate that you didn’t understand what I wrote in very few word.
It also creates a straw man to attack. Silly and pointless. Pay attention and up your game.
At the beginning of Obama’s presidency, people didn’t KNOW. It took a long time before confirmation of Obama’s warcrimes were reported in MSM, so the reporting was slow in coming out, notwithstanding the country had been promised the “most transparent administration in history”, which took time to discover he was actually the biggest liar in history. Moreover, at the beginning of Obama’s Presidency, the country had just entered a financial crisis of biblical proportions. Millions of people were losing jobs, houses and were focused on their own troubles, notwithstanding the MSM wasn’t reporting what was really going on. That’s not to say this excuses him. As far as I’m concerned, he is a war criminal. But WHO could do anything? Look at the Occupy protests during Obama’s tenure. Didn’t do shit but get a lot of people hurt and arrested.
HOWEVER, whatever happened under Obama, WILL continue under Trump. Make no mistake. He WILL double down on US Legal Imperialism. So call me when you are heading out to protest. I’ll join you.
As for the current protests against Trumps EO.. all I can say is ..fuck Trump AND Obama. I hate them both.
I see that the shitty propaganda organization know as “the intercept’ is now deleteing posts. These are the same clowns who helped elect trump and who thing they have the high moral ground. In reality they are nothing but despicable censors.
It’s not easy to post something so atrocious that TI will delete it. If it were, my posts would be deleted all the time.
Congratulate yourself on a real accomplishment. ;^)
Keep on keeping on, Doug!
Attention: Big Deal
In the Central District of California, in the case of a petition for a TRO from one Ali Khoshbakhti Vayeghan (prob. Iranian, from name), Judge Dolly Gee issued the order excerpted and linked to below.
Vayeghan had already been sent back to Dubai before the court could act, and this is, as far as I can find, the first case in this clusterfuck where that is the situation.
Please note, gentlemen, ladies and others, the references to the Establishment Clause, to the Immigration and Nationality Act and to (capitalized) petitioner’s Equal Protection rights.
Judge Gee has just tossed a legal grenade into Trump’s EO. Strap in.
WOW! Thanks Doug.
Border agents defy courts on Trump travel ban, congressmen and lawyers say
Democrat Don Beyer says ‘we have a constitutional crisis’ over refusal to release travellers from Muslim-majority countries after judge grants temporary stay
Sometimes the Alt media gets it right.
http://www.infowars.com/video-the-truth-about-trumps-muslim-ban/
Dulles now becoming lab for experimenting on how far fascism can go…
Remember when this was first proposed…all the way back in June of last year? Back then it was only aimed at them ‘damn furriners’.
What’s in your social media?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/homeland-security-social-media-border-protection.html
Anonymity is an important principle in the entire concept of free speech. Think library accounts/records and pen names – many historically important people have used pen-names, and for good reason – they had something important to say that others would not like to hear and they would be persecuted for saying them.
As for library records or the internet today, well apparently what you read or say can be used to determine what you think and how you just might behave or politically support, and all of that in the right circumstance can become a crime.
Yes, I can understand why a government wants your social media information – what I don’t understand is why people have forgotten the lessons of history and anonymity.
Wow, like every Intercept article is about Trump. What a snooze-fest.
Zzzzzzzzzz…
Maybe just create one folder and dump all your Trump stuff in it.
How appropriate that this is happening at an airport named for the Dulles brothers.
https://twitter.com/AdamBlickstein/status/825837466213052416
In the meantime, Cory Booker, a senator, who should be the embodiment of accountability is whinging,
Oh, yeah, Allen and John Foster are applauding from hell.
And Booker “was deeply disappointed.” What a bunch of pathetic fucking cowards we have pretending to be the “opposition” in Washington.
Breaking NY Post reporting agents defying judge! http://nypost.com/2017/01/29/customs-agents-ignore-judge-enforce-trumps-travel-ban-aclu/
Libs getting crushed by President Trump!
i’d check that against the National Enquirer, just to be on the safe side.
No, it looks like it’s probably actually happening.
From the linked report:
Look at the cretin cheering defiance of the federal courts.
Godwin’s Law is hereby declared null, void and quaint.
Like Bush they are both imbeciles and Trump will sign anything put in front of him just to practice his signature.
He promised this nightmare, and we all hoped it wouldn’t happen. But now it’s here.
Urge state reps to oppose this order. Join demonstrations. Do what you can, as you can do it.
I’m telling myself this as well. Can’t afford despair.
Sen Schumer with refugees in their own words…
https://www.c-span.org/video/?423182-2/senate-minority-leader-schumer-president-trumps-executive-order-immigration
Schumer voted for General John Kelly, Trump’s nominee for DHS.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/chuck-schumer-leader-of-the-resistance-keeps-approving-trumps-nominees-9601481
Kelly has been approved and is, presumably, now leading the DHS which controls CBP and ICE. One would think that, should Schumer’s vote-receiver wish to, he could have ameliorated some of this by now.
Would you rather he NOT HAVE spoken on behalf of the refugees and against the ban??
Would you rather he NOT HAVE SPOKEN in support of refugees?
Everybody buckle-up, this was only the first week…..
I’m stunned how many racists there are in the USA – both the Bill Maher types and the Trump types, all just setting their mouths firmly and accepting that “Muslims may be bad, why take the risk?” Needless to say, many opposing this are just using it to affirm their own spiritual superiority of tolerance (and being a Democrat rather than a Republican), but even my usual cynicism about this is dwarfed by the sheer indifference and bile I’m seeing from politically apathetic regular folk who seemed otherwise normal.
Trump’s brought them all out of the woodwork, and they’re by no means all stereotypical rednecks who don’t know any better. It’s fucking horrific.
Yes, I agree with you. However, it’s good that they’re coming out of the woodwork, for now we can see who they are. Take names. Why not? They’d take yours in a second.
Mahar is a borderline Shill. His shtick is anti-religious, but he’s all about flaming on Islam..In lieu of mentioning the “unmentionable Ironies ” on Holocaust Rememberance Weekend, between the SS St. Louis debacle during the 1930’s , he took the easy, corporate sense path and bashed Islam..
They’re not just racists, they’re ignorant cowards.
There’s another kind of racist?
What race is Muslim? Racist and racism have lost their meaning, thank YOU for that. There are 3 races on this earth (someone created a 4th-Australoid) Muslim is not one of them. Any person of any race who WANTS to be a Muslim can be — it doesn’t mean they change races. Mexican is not a race but a nationality. Anyone who moves to Mexico can be a Mexican thru citizenship. Again without changing their race.
H1b Visa holders will no doubt be given special consideration unless Trump insists tech companies hire American.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-29/trump-administration-flip-flops-green-card-holders-are-not-affected-immigration-ban
…During an interview of NBC’s “Meet The Press”, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus flip-flopped that “as far as green card holders moving forward, [the executive order] doesn’t affect them.”
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/29/department-homeland-security-response-recent-litigation
The DHS said the court order would not affect the overall implementation of the White House order and the court order affected a small number of travelers who were inconvenienced by security procedures upon their return, Fox News first reported.
It’s not a Muslim ban… how dumb is this author. And how is his journalistic integrity. This is just a continuation of obamas policies and was not a called a Muslim ban then.
Obama sucked as did many of his policies, but if this was just a continuation of his policies then,
1. There wouldn’t have been any need for a new EO, and
2. None of these people would have been traveling outside the country to begin with because they would have known of the risks.
3. Republicans would have been protesting at airports.
[I just threw that third choice in there to see if you were paying attention. :-p]
http://getgroundgame.com/airportprotests.html#CA
I’m wondering now that we have US troops in Yemen that this “ban” has more sinister and long term reasons behind it. Is the US planning troops on the ground in the other 6 countries? Was this ban in preparation of that? Horrible thought. I pray I’m wrong!
No, Hillary wasn’t elected. You can rest easy, I suspect.
WHAT an utter piece of leftist sht this site is….hey kids….you can smell soros money just by clicking on this turd bowl.
And I can smell the ignorance and hatred coming off of you. Now think critically for one second: do you really think George Soros would fund a news organization co-founded by civil libertarian Glenn Greenwald, the same Glenn Greenwald who destroys hypocrites and authoritarians no matter what party affiliation they claim?
quote”you can smell soros money just by clicking on this turd bowl.”unquote
Says one who just filled his third bowl of shit for breakfast.
Is the heartache over the ban? Or is the heartache that Trump won? I suspect the latter, since in 2011 Obama ordered a similar ban for SIX months:
“The State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131
Obama also signed the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015:
“Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP: Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).”
https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq
Moral of the story: Liberals don’t really care about travel bans. If they did they would have accused Obama of implementing Muslim bans and they would have tirelessly protested his executive orders, as they are doing now.
Yes the authors are genuinely upset, but since Obama implemented the same policies, they have zero credibility and are only stooges for neoliberal elites. The fact they have constantly lied about Obama’s proxy war in Syria, makes them enablers also — since his policy of regime change destroyed the Syrian state, empowered ISIS, and created a massive flow of refugees running from his terrorist proxies, Al Nusra and ISIS.
These authors are literately killing Muslims with their constant propaganda hiding Obama’s horrible wars against the Muslim world and his support of jihadists. Articles that glorify deep-state front groups like the White Helmets, only perpetuate war, imperialism, and the refugee crisis.
You hit the nail on the head… welcome fellow infowarrior
Ahhh ..so all those protesters are being duped then? Some green card holders were always being handcuffed and detained on a case by case basis , but since Trump wrote the executive order naming specific countries, he and O’bannon purposely did not mention Obama because they wanted to make the world to think it was all their idea..ahh
These people stranded in airports: it’s all faked. A hoax, like the moon landings. ;^(
quote” it’s all faked. A hoax, like the moon landings.”unquote
Says the President of the Flat Earth Society.
btw fuckface, don’t you ever get tired of looking like a 100% certifiable jackass?
We all understand there are elements of long-standing US policy in this, but Trump’s order is unquestionably a serious and extreme escalation. I’m not sure what your Trump apologia accomplishes.
The escalation does not match the differences in liberal reaction. The president who has already banned countries, identified the same countries as threats, and signed into law the mechanism to ban — is adored and his actions are swept under the rug.
The only serious escalation I see is more countries on the list and the strange, unconstitutional carve-out for religious minorities. The three month ban is actually a deescalation from Obama’s six month ban.
Don’t forget that Jimmy Carter not only banned Iranians, but kicked legally residing ones out of the US. Jimmy’s actions might help Trump in court. I love the irony. It becomes even more rich if one considers liberal icons Roosevelt and Earl Warren and their role in the internment of the Japanese.
More recently liberal presidential candidate, Wesley Clark, suggested interning Muslims, but this is conveniently hidden from most Democrats.
To his credit on of the authors of this peice, Hussian, wrote about this sick proposal that makes Trump look like Ghandi:
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/20/chattanooga-wesley-clark-calls-internment-camps-disloyal-americans/
That liberals are partisan and seldom denounce the abuses of Democratic administrations is something I understand very well, and it doesn’t make sense to be complaining about it here at The Intercept, where both writers and regular readers are well aware of that.
That said, I think it was Chomsky who pointed out that civil society does seem to become more open and progressive over time, and we’ve come a long way since 1980. As to Obama’s ban, while one could easily disagree with it, it didn’t go beyond shutting the door on refugees. It didn’t cancel green cards and valid visas, for example, which is the cause of all the chaos and protests.
The “strange, unconstitutional carve-out for religious minorities” is the one instituted by ISIS. Because they are specifically targetted, they are being offered exceptional access to waiver.
There is no constitutional restriction against prohibiting anyone from entering the country as the government sees fit and under the laws it has passed to regulate that entry.
Persons who have been legally admitted do have constitutional rights of due process, but do not have a constitutional right to remain in the country simply because they are already here.
The problem with Executive Orders, of course, is that they have no express authority under the Constitution and citizens and the Congress have permitted the Executive a power which the Framers never intended.
Because….Lincoln.
The really curious (but entirely predictable) reaction of most people is that they will silent endorse EOs they agree with and vocally object to those which they do not. Goose, gander, sauce.
“Liberals don’t really care about travel bans. If they did they would have…”
I care about cow shit. Doesn’t matter if the shit I stepped in was when I was miles away from my house, or just before I stepped in it right in front of my front door. I’ll clean it off either way.
Your constant refrain throughout what you post that “you can’t care about it now because you didn’t care about it then” doesn’t negate the fact that while the last time you brought your racist cow shit and spread it on here I didn’t call you on it , yet now I am.
Politico:
_”Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Hillary“_
“How noncitizens decrease Republican chances of winning the White House next year.”
By PAUL GOLDMAN and MARK J. ROZELL October 03, 2015
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/illegal-immigrants-could-elect-hillary-clinton-213216
It’s not a ban on Muslims! That so unfair! It’s just a ban on Muslim nations that don’t sign up to do business with Trump Industries and Wall Street. It’s actually not any different from how Clinton ran the State Department – pay up to the Foundation (Clinton) or finance a string of hotels and golf courses (Trump), and you’ll get priority treatment. Trump is cruder about it, is all – instead of invading places like Libya and Syria (notably NOT Clinton Foundation donors, unlike Bahrain and Morocco), he’s just banning refugees and others from those places. A slightly different tactic.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslim-countries-donald-trump-immigration-ban-temporary-freeze-us-entry-visa-syria-libya-yemen-iran-a7549061.html
And his many Wall Street appointees have even closer ties to Saudi Arabia.
So he’s going to coddle the Saudi billionaires who have the longest record of financing the radical Wahhabi terrorist groups, but go after men, women and children trying to flee the countries that the U.S. has worked so hard to destabilize and destroy, like Syria and Libya. Gosh, isn’t that lovely? Isn’t that Christian sentiment? Aren’t those the humanitarian values that America cherishes?
Clinton and Trump. Worst choice of presidential candidates ever.
Well photosymbiosis seems like you might be spreading a bit of fake or propagandized news. Trump is a fool but we have been doing bad things to Muslims many many years now.
OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION MADE THE “MUSLIM BAN” POSSIBLE AND THE MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU
But, wait a sec. According to the reports “The order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.” Critics had attacked Trump for selecting these seven countries and not selecting other states “linked to his sprawling business empire.” Bloomberg and Forbes bought into this.
But, wait a sec. I read the order and Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen are not mentioned in it.
Go back and read it again. Do a “ctrl-f” to find “Iraq”. Where is “Iraq” in the order. It’s not there. Only Syria is there. So where are the seven nations? Where is the “Muslim ban”? It turns out this was a form of fake news, or alternative facts. Trump didn’t select seven “Muslim-majority” countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries.
The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, SUdan, Somalia or Yemen.” And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”
It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
When you have the MSM distorting facts and leaving out details isn’t that also fake news????
That was a bill introduced by Republicans in Congress and signed by Obama, here are the details:
What that meant is that all those travelers had to apply for a visa if they’d visited those countries. Here is the list of such countries, whose citizens don’t have to apply to a visa to visit the United States:
Andorra Hungary Norway
Australia Iceland Portugal
Austria Ireland San Marino
Belgium Italy Singapore
Brunei Japan Slovakia
Chile Latvia Slovenia
Czech Republic Liechtenstein South Korea
Denmark Lithuania Spain
Estonia Luxembourg Sweden
Finland Malta Switzerland
France Monaco Taiwan
Germany Netherlands United Kingdom
Greece New Zealand
Prior to Trump’s order, members of those seven countries could apply for a visa and come to the United States, just like all other non-VWP member countries’ citizens could.
After Trump’s order, even visa and green card holders from those countries were banned from traveling to the United States – paranoid isolationism at its worst.
Of course I agree that it “paranoid isolationism at its worst” but it is not a list which Trump put together while considering his investments. MIC is the biggest profiteer of our so called “war on terror” and many on the left and right has helped them rake in bucks.
I forgot. Can someone remind me why do we need more Muslims in this country? And why do Muslims want to come and live here? Are they craving for rejection and all the other frustrations usually experienced by ethnic groups that refuse to assimilate?
We need more Muslims here to help us achieve better balance with the asshole bigots in our culture. We also need them to help teach the assholes how to assimilate into an actually-civilized society, rather than their present tribal, hateful and deeply ignorant one.
…..And on the seventh day, the bloviating blowhard rested. A helluva week and the jackass is wreaking havoc. Where oh where are the Schumers and the Pelosis when they should be making a racket. I think I just answered my own question, never mind.
Arthy’s question was originally (two threads down) a bit more explicit:
We also need primarily males, of fighting age, to go grope tribal redneck women in packs.
See what’s happening in Europe. Lots of goodies if you are a young Muslim male.
/sarc
If that’s what you’re looking for, then you’re going to be sorely disappointed by the Muslims who come here. Have a look at how the culture that they embrace treats women and minorities. Their culture is definitely tribal, hateful in the extreme, (chopping off heads, honor killings and all the rest) and absolutely deeply ignorant.
You need more immigrants so you won’t end up being a bunch of inbred red necks.
You know Arth, in California the most common ethnic group that refuses to assimilate is recent white immigrants from the East Coast of the United States. They can’t handle the local norms, they try to impose their own attitudes on others, and end up being rejected and often fleeing back to where they came from.
In any case, those who discriminate based on religion are in violation of the U.S. Constitution, which means complaining about Muslims or Jews or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists or Santaria or atheism or whatever is un-American, it means you reject American values and norms, and really don’t deserve to be a citizen of this country – but, don’t worry, our laws forbid anyone having their citizenship stripped from them for being an ignorant bigot.
1. Freedom to practice their faith or not practice it.
2. Freedom of expression and thought.
3. Better education.
4. Better economic opportunities.
5. Stable society and its institutions.
6. Lack of corruption to get basic needs fulfilled (e.g., you don’t have to bribe anyone to get a half-decent job or get natural gas or electricity connection)
7. Peace and safety and security.
8. Fleeing from oppression and violence.
9. Better medical care.
10. Better plumbing system.
11. Cleaner air and streets.
12. Cleaner water.
13. Medicines that have not been tempered with.
14. No load shedding of electricity. One can count on electricity to be available nearly 24/7/365.
15. Better opportunities for kids. Good/stable environment to raise kids.
16. Lack of imposition of religion.
17. Equal treatment of all religions.
18. Gay rights.
19. Lower inflation.
20. Ability to make enough money to support themselves and close family members who are left behind.
…
See why I don’t have you deported from here? ;- )
Freedom from being droned with a Hellfire missile. Reason # 21.
Well most of that list they can get in Saudi Arabia or other neighboring countries. I don’t really think Muslims care about equal treatment of all religions, just their own. Ask any Syrian Christian. Gay rights? Really? You think Muslims are coming here because they’re all about Gay rights? My God, you really are delusional.
Arth: all the history you never learned:
see https://zinnedproject.org/2014/04/a-peoples-history-of-muslims-in-the-united-states/
The Muslims I have come into contact, with ONLY one or two exceptions to date, and they were very young and intelligent males, were all bigoted, narrow-minded anti-infidel, anti-American, anti-progressive swineherds.
Why, indeed?
Hmmmm, the Muslims I have come into contact, with only one or two exceptions to date, and they were young and intelligent males, were polite, appreciative of their new found rights and freedoms, were working or going to school, loved America, but mentioned one sgt_doom, who they previously had the unfortunate experience of meeting, who railed, spit on them, called the expletive names, threatened and otherwise belittled them and their religion, and was later arrested for hate crimes and defecating on a public street while nude and intoxicated in public, and assaulting a law enforcement public servant.
quote”I forgot. “unquote
Of course you did. Memory is dependent on more than that one neuron floating in that jello between your ears. Now, try real hard to remember where that cesspool is you were spawned in and slither on back to it. Oh, and clean up that stinking slime trail while on your way back.
This resistance is heartening. Donald Trump, (indirectly) making America Great Again.
You going to pitch a tent with your dog in a city park?
One expects to see something better than this kind of comment….
decency, humanity, compassion…..for people who for no fault of theirs are being victimised twice!!
One can disagree with different administrations’ ( democratic or republican ) policies but why inflict suffering on innocent people??
Ding Ding Ding!!!! Give this man a prize.
Is it possible, someone can start a petition demanding that the executive order regarding refugees/Muslims be rescinded NOW?
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/
I have tried but the website does not recognise me IN SPITE of my signing a petition at the same website an hour earlier!! Wondering if the administration is interfering with the website!!
I don’t think you should waste time and energy on White House website petitions that challenge Trump’s policies and actions. If they receive enough attention and signatures to exceed the alleged threshold for consideration, they are likely to simply vanish, as happened with more than one petition while Obama was in office.
I would still like to try….. never give up!
Better than spinning your wheels with the White House site is to contact your representatives and senators even if they’re GOP, thank goodness mine aren’t, the amount of calls and emails should come hard and fast to show the real effect this has on the country. I’ve already sent more this month than half of last year. Also sign all the petitions you can, they supposedly help too.
That would be the FIRST thing to do in any case.
AND, I still would try everything possible, however hopeless it may seem…. if not tried, it would never happen!
Would you please write a follow up story in a week or two and find out whether these people are still being denied entry or stranded in other countries. Thanks.
The U.S. has a serious problem on it’s hands, and it isn’t coming from without the United States.. it is coming from within and the antics of it’s Extremist In Chief. Democracies are most often destroyed from within. Welcome to his alternate reality. Beware what Donald Trump wants is a completely different version of what most people want.
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-trump-has-been-planning-his-whole-life-to-take-down-nwo/
SPAM.
Canadian leftist peeve.
He’s a deluded freak that’s been banned here some 3-4 times for crapflooding delusional garbage. He has linked to books about Satan-Illuminati plots to manufacture “sex kittens” via mind control. Or he links to podcasts by this crazy, ersatz Russian Orthodox monk who sees everywhere plots by Obama and Jews to, e.g., make the country homosexual.
He’s best ignored.
Except you don’t. Monopolizing TI, you never ignore anybody.
Hey like you… you clearly don’t know anything about Alex jones except for the obvious demonizations
What I know about Alex Jones is, he made a lot of money from 9/11.
Mr. Trump has an undeniable talent for playing the media. His ban has been deliberately inflicted in an arbitrary way to encourage the media to publish stories of individuals caught in the carnage. He hopes the outrage generated will allow him to present his new set of policies as a compromise solution. The end game is to roll out ‘extreme vetting’, a joint venture between the NSA and the DHS to profile everyone entering the United States. The US public, relishing this ‘victory’ over discrimination, will gratefully acquiesce.
https://twitter.com/JeremyLRedmon/status/825516926206095361
Priceless. He definitely knows how to do that.
John Lewis, “staying a while” at Atlanta-Hartsfield
I think all countries should ban Trump, temporarily, until we can figure out what’s going on.
That sounds like a permanent ban to me…
Can we ban him from the US? Pretty please?
Regarding refoulement, int’l law and such:
again, from an essay from almost 30 years ago by Howard Zinn:
A People’s Constitution: Some Truths Are Not Self-Evident
http://www.uvm.edu/~dguber/POLS21/articles/zinn.htm
Excerpt:
Zinn has a point, and I’ve been in countries that had a constitution, a congress and a president in a civilian uniform, but were still run by the people with guns. The people need to enforce some value, maintain a coherent notion of governance, and a written charter of government and liberties is a good framework. It may not determine justice or liberty but it will hold up a standard of measurement.
Zinn, I remember that dood, I called him to complain when unsourced fictitious revisionistic bullcrap appeared in his book on the Kennedy Administration — after that, I stopped paying attention to him.
Oh? Which book was that?
You don’t happen to have a citation for us, do you?
SMDH
Don’t you people read? Trump is really a liberal.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/donald-trumps-top-ten-liberal-heresies
The DHS issued a statement in response to the judicial order staying Trump’s EO that….contradicts itself:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/29/department-homeland-security-response-recent-litigation
And stories are starting to crop up that CBP are ignoring the judiciary’s issued stays.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1859611947615207/?_fb_noscript=1
Please excuse the link to farcebook. So far, that is the only place I am seeing reporting on this, so take with (however large) a grain of salt (your own prejudices dictate). :-s
In other collateral effects of the Muslim order, there’s this incident in Texas.
https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.auheq47n6
Great documentary: Reel Bad Arabs
https://vimeo.com/56687715
a better version here:
http://thoughtmaybe.com/reel-bad-arabs/
The demonisation of Arabs in Western/US culture much predates 9/11. Al Jazeera (Eng.) did a good two parter on the same subject as your link.
If you want to see how things can go wrong with a muslim community come to France. We are at the edge of a civil war. Simply. Trump is right to close the border of USA
But, but, but…. what about the zero-ith amendment of the constitution that liberals like to pretend is the mission statement of America. “give me your tired, your hungry, your poor…….”
How can you have a culture when yours looks like everyone else’s?
McDepot doesn’t come to Afhanistan. By contrast your women aren’t prevented from reading anything but Semitic literature (well not including Crown Heights).
Instead what happens is you’re to become a gray goo of internecine micro-offences but where backpacking to Germany is no different than backpacking through the Philippines and there’s no reason for a slave to leave the sector unless their skin chip has enough SDRs for the week.
Who are you talking to?
Of the Muslim nations who polled with the question, “Can suicide bombings be justified against civilian targets in defense of the Muslim faith?”, the highest percentages who answered came from those countries who were in closest proximity to Syria:
Lebanon: 55%
Jordan: 70%
Turkey: 42%
Palestine: 45%
This poll was not of known radicalized Islamist-jihadists; rather, it targeted anonymous and random samples of the populations of each country polled. This poll was conducted in 2014.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/
If blowback (terror attacks) is the predictable consequence of US foreign policy in the Muslim world, then why would any American aid in providing the mean by which terrorist’s could be placed in close proximity to their intended target?
If the entire Muslim world harbors such an aggregate negative opinion of US policy in the Muslim world, then why are so many Muslims attempting to immigrate to the US?
If the Syrian government is teeming up with Russia and Iran to create a new power axis in the region, then why wouldn’t it be in America’s best interest to limit immigration from Iran ad Syria. What benefit is there to the US to provide economic and/or educational opportunities to the children of those who are hostile to it intentions?
Polls don’t reveal nuances and the inner thoughts and struggles.
Remember, overwhelming majority of Americans thought Saddam had WMDs and had something to do with 911.
Also, the polls showed a Clinton win. Many analyses of the polls indicated that there was like 98% probability that she’d win.
The more Muslims we have the better, so they become our neighbors and join the electorate. The Israel Lobby, neoconservatives and various other horrible cohorts with appalling policy preferences for MENA urgently need counter-balance to their harmful and enormous influence.
I want these Muslims/Arabs/Persians who hold righteous and informed criticisms of the United States to be hear and be heard among us. To be us.
But to be clear, I fully expect, based on history and human nature, that as Muslims cease to be the victims of the time, and become part of the club, they — like too many Catholics, Jews, LGBTs and blacks before them — will be quite happy to oppress the next hated group.
That’s what happens when an oppressed group says “Never Again” but silently adds: “unless it’s not me.” Humans of any faith or none who adhere to universalist values, who see all humans as valuable and worthy of respect and rights, are my kindred spirits. That’s why I have far more in common with a Sufi such as you, or Catholics like the Berrigan Brothers, than I do with man (most?) fellow atheists.
Organized religion is not suitable, and has a tendency to cause its adherents to see otherness.
Too often just another pigeonhole to divide the human race.
It’s identity religiosity. Too much focus on the exoteric, not much on the esoteric. Also, religion is used by many for power and control, and also as a drug to keep the masses occupied while the ruling class does its thing.
Yes. Groups we should advocate for:
1) Human race
Sorry Sufi, this is plainly a false equivalent. Now, had you argued that the majority of Americans polled supported the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, the comparison would be apt, but only in so far as your “inner struggle” argument goes. However, we are talking about the acknowledged potential of Syrian Muslim immigrants to engage in an act of terror if they believe that their host country is a threat to their faith.
Although you make valid point concerning the polls and their margins of error, you are citing the polling of American political preference in the run-up to a very tight, lesser-of-two-evils election wherein a whopping 39% of voters reported to be independent. If one followed the polling for the last weeks of the election, a telve to fifteen point swing in voter preference was reported as various negative revelations surfaced concerning each candidate. Apropos of this level of volatility, you example amounts to a false comparison in that (1) numerous populations reported numbers well in excess of 40 %, and (2) Muslim attitudes concerning the use of terror in defense of ones faith are directly tied to religious beliefs which remain fairly constant throughout their lifetime.
My point:
Polls are but one indicator of understanding Muslims. I consider it a very small indicator.
The reality is much more complex and nuanced.
Point taken. Nuance is the victim generality.
A 2011 poll of Americans revealed that over 20% believe it’s sometimes OK for non-state actors to kill civilians. If the government is doing the killing, well over 50% answer in the affirmative.
I’ve never actually seen any survey evidence that suggests Muslims have more innate violent tendencies than any other population. Of course, their circumstances can’t be compared to those of any other population.
Interesting… source?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/Muslim-Americans-No-Justification-Violence.aspx
Thanks for the link. The question to which I believe you referred reads:
This question fails to distinguish between circumstances wherein an individual might be legally justified in targeting and killing civilians from those that couldn’t. For instance, a group of bikers engage in a home invasion wherein a father witnesses the violent rape and death of his wife and the imminent rape of his daughter. Would you use a hidden firearm to kill the bikers to end the murder and mayhem?
But let’s put the hypotheticals aside for the moment. I believe that the point that you were attempting to make is that a poll of Americans revealed the Muslims were less likely to agree that one could, in certain circumstances, justify the actions of an “individual person or a small group of persons” who “target and kill civilians” then Americans of other faiths. Would it be unreasonable to suggest that, in a post 911 world, Muslim Americans would be reluctant to admit that they are prone to violence under any circumstance while Non-Muslims would feel more comfortabble entertaining circumstances wherein such actions are justified?
I’m not using that poll to differentiate between American Muslims and those of other religions. I understand the confound.
1. Why are alliances in that region any business of the US?
2. Since the US has orchestrated, funded and (covertly and overtly) prosecuted a war in and on Syria for six years, do we not have a moral, ethical and legal (under international law) obligation to the refugees who have been forced from their homeland in large measure by our policies and actions?
1) Because military/political/economic alliances always have repercussions beyond the geographical areas they were initiated.
2) NO. Trump had nothing to do with the Iraqi war, or the Syrian war. He is under no obligation to receive refugees if he believes based on the information he has that citizens of Syria could represent a danger for the United States. I am pretty sure that you are against the US bombing the Taliban in Afghanistan or bombing ISIS in Iraq. People like you even blamed the US for bombing those groups that openly committed genocide. Have you suggested the need for the US under moral, ethical and legal obligation to stop those groups from committing genocide? Greenwald even suggested Obama was bombing Alqaeda, ISIS, Taliban…just because they were Muslims.
Correction for clarity sake:
“One need only examine the alliances that culminated in the first and second worlds to understand the degree to which they have control the fate of the world.”
Should have read:
“One need only examine the alliances that culminated in the first and second world wars to understand the degree to which they have control the fate of the world.”
The great Steven Salaita writes:
https://www.facebook.com/steven.salaita/posts/10211994881975875
It comes down to trying to persuade utilitarians. They don’t understand principles, but they do understand consequences. Salaita is morally correct, but I’d say the vast majority of Americans don’t adhere to his moral standards.
Howard Zinn’s 2006 essay, “No Human Being Is Illegal”
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/2663:no-human-being-is-illegal
The argument usually goes like this: “We’re only against illegal immigration, not all immigration.” You’d see it all over. But I always thought it was disingenuous. Given that the Muslim ban targets even greencard holders, you’ll notice that a new narrative has emerged: “Only US citizens have a right to enter the US.”
You know, the anniversary of Howard Zinn’s death in 2010 just passed.
The courage of the taxi cab drivers and our immigrant Sisters and Brothers underscores something that Zinn wrote about.
Talking about the vital necessity of disobedience and non-cooperation, Zinn said:
– from Howard Zinn’s essay, “The Enemy Is War,” found in “A Power Governments Cannot Suppress”
Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trump’s travel ban: ACLU
Should not these customs agents then be subject to arrest for violating a judges order? Who is enforcing this order? I need clarification from a legal point of view.
Hopefully, we have not regressed back into the Jacksonian era of ignoring court orders like that of the Supreme Courts favorable ruling for the Cherokee Nation.
You don’t have to go back to Jackson to find evidence of court orders being ignored with impunity:
Arrested by whom? Federal marshals sent by the court? I suppose that’s a possibility. Procedurally I think someone would have to file a motion with the judge before s/he could issue an Order to Show Cause.
Exactly. I’m not an attorney. Hence, my deferring to a legal opinion. Are we in uncharted waters with this? Whose judgement takes precedent?
TSA employees are bored out of their minds an seemingly selected from a pool of generally disagreeable personalities. There are no doubt elements of the TSA (of every complexion or spiritual derivation) enjoying every minute of this since bye an bye the TSA record for stopping terrorist attacks or detecting weapons going through customs after 15 years approaches zero.
The DHS’ (and TSA’s penultimate figurehead) new leader General Kelly (who opposes torture like Mattis) was confirmed 10 days ago and takes the same oath and pledge of alleigance to protect preserve and defend our constitutional rights that he been taking since he enlisted. The ACLUs racking up one win after another on this issue (upholding OUR Constitutional rights successfully in multiple jurisdictions). Which major America Airports respective TSA offices will distinguish themselves in resisting this Executive Order and honoring any temprary reprieves or temporary stays.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/john-kelly-homeland-security-senate-confirmation-hearing/
It is the CBP (which has detention authority), not the TSA (which does not), which is defying the federal judiciary in supporting Trump’s EO. The TSA are just the irritable assholes on the frontline of this fuckery, not the ones doing the planning.
Trump was backed by unions representing Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers before the election. U.S. Border Patrol Chief Mark Morgan, who was called a “disgrace to the agency” in an op-ed by the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing border agents and support staffers, has been summarily dismissed. And US immigration officials began revoking visas weeks before this executive order was issued.
It will be interesting to see if John Kelly actually does anything at all to deflect what is increasingly looking like a coup within a significant chunk of the bureaucracy he will (try to) control. And what will happen if he does. Because it looks very much like CBP and ICE are going rogue.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/316691-immigration-officials-revoked-visas-weeks-before-trumps-refugee
Thanks Pedinska.
From USA Today for the similarly uninformed…
“Though customs and TSA fall under the branch of Homeland Security, they sprang up at very different times. Customs dates to 1789 and the First American Congress. At this time, the U.S. Customs Service was primarily occupied collecting tariffs on imported goods, a duty it continues today. TSA is a more recent government creation, growing out of a demand for heightened security following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Initially under the Department of Transportation, TSA shifted to the then new Department of Homeland Security in 2003.”
The heartbreak of refugees.
See also:
Thousands demonstrate across US against Trump’s anti-immigrant orders
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/01/28/immi-j29.html
US policy toward our Muslim Sisters and Brothers has never been about “national security” or keeping the American people safe.
Read the interview here http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/author-deepa-kumar-on-the-imperial-roots-of-anti-muslim-sentiment/
Here’s an example of a terrorist suspect: a young rebel is convicted in his home country as an insurgent, sentenced to death, and the sentence commuted to life in a labor colony — from which he escapes and makes his way, probably undocumented, to the U.S. A prime candidate for exclusion, wouldn’t you think?
Trouble is, his name was Thomas Francis Meagher and he wound up as a Union Army general and a territorial governor. And many of the Irish-American soldiers he led were also either Fenian terrorists or New York City gangsters of one sort or another. The Union cause still seemed glad to have their service.
A parable, let’s call this story.
Name calling aside……….this EO will clearly identify who is in charge and who are vassals. More concrete and dangerous than Dubbya’s “with us or agin us” statement.
Danger abounds and an emperor will not like anyone openly challenging his power to exert his will.
This is a very dangerous point and what happens next is unlikely to be good – either way.
Unfortunately, we may be living in interesting times.
Dick Cheney has an interesting comment on this latest development.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-donald-trump-muslim-ban-extreme
When Satan thinks you’re evil …
Yea…….that is about as definitive a sign as one can expect from Dick that all is not well in the deep recesses of hell……OR……….Dick suddenly sees an opportunity to make is thoughts, deeds & actions look good?
I will stick to my perspective that either way, the future looks very dangerous.
It turns out that Satan is just another RINO.
fire all the bastards who follow dicktator tRump’s orders.
The TSA and Homeland Security are neo-nazi organizations.
“Trump made me do it” is the new excuse for the “good nazis.”
The victims religion is a distraction. These predatory actions
are continuing to spread and the real target is the removal of
the belief in human rights and equal justice in the name of
capitalist greed.
The democrats and republicans keep increasing the attacks
through militant economic policies both near and far
as they train people to not only tolerate injustice and horrors,
but to take pride in destroying innocent life
for the desperate delusional worship of the security of
money.
From the oval office to the lowly trainee at Homeland Security,
the perverse motivation is a mix of arrogant exceptionalist identity
and a craven lust for money and power. The more these traits are
expressed, the less likely you are to be one of the targets.
This is how they CHOOSE who is an ally and who is a target
and it is why they contaminate everything –
arrogant exceptionalism and craven lust for money and power.
If you voted for either Clinton or Trump,
this is what you voted to support.
Some reports say that Steve Bannon redid the order before it went out. BTW, he’s now on the National Security Council.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/lobbying-ban-trump-executive-order-isis-strategy
Don’t know why you’re worried. Salon.com suggests the Tea Party is a bunch of play actors who couldn’t get elected dog catcher.
But when the dog catcher is hydrophobic …
To be fair, I think that a lot of people, if not the majority, voted for her only because they thought Trump was worse. OTOH, I would classify the majority of the oranguturd’s supporters as being among “The Despicables”.
Hi Clark. Did you actually mean ‘the MORE likely you are to be one of their targets?’ I especially agree with the ‘arrogant exceptionalist identity’ moniker. Spot on.
Good! now muslims will stay home,develop their potential countries with their wealth and intelligence and not be deadbeat muslims!
I’m an ESL teacher who works with students on a visa. We have one Syrian student. I’m terrified for her. This is NOT the country I want to live in (if we have these policies). I do NOT want to live in a country that gives 80 cents to women for every one dollar a man makes. In a country that attacks refugees. In a country that indiscriminately bombs others and profits from death. In a country that proudly tortures and calls torturers patriots then wants us to THANK them. In a country that is run by a man that sexually molests women proudly. In a country that is run on complacency of these crimes. In a country that attacks its whistleblowers. In a country that protects criminals who break international and domestic laws as long as it gives the central authority more power. In a country who’s closest allies are my worst nightmares of areas to live. In a country that demands to go backwards on its constitution. In a country that moves to ban peaceful protest. In a country run by an administration that ignores real facts. (I can go on all day)
I’m feeling like I’m going to need to move to Europe at this point. Because I never thought the illegal crap going on in this country could happen from such an organized and high level. I AM an American. That means I believe in EVERY PERSONS right to equality, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This country is blatantly trying to say only some deserve that. And if I need to emigrate to a country that DOES support my true American ideals, so be it. But I will not be part of a country that starting to resemble the china that our president supposedly hates. Those who accept this are a danger to this country annnnd the world. Those who are complacent are accepting. Those of my generation who want to ignore the problems and hope they’ll be ok are privileged and that’s a dangerous mentality. My generation loves to ignore discussing the elephant in the room if issues don’t directly impact themselves. But, what happens to your neighbors can happen to you.
Either my generation will be attacked for the crimes of our rulers, or we will pay for it. But I will NOT go down in history as someone who turned a blind eye to bigotry, greed and apathy.
I want to be part of the solution. Not support psychotic, greedy, primitive monsters who want to play war games with the planet, treat people as cattle who are only alive due to their leaders approval or who grab women by the pussy for leisure. Even 11 year olds know better….
I’m disgusted, terrified and ANGRY by the current situation. Why? Because I’m a frickin AMERICAN (like Edward Snowden IS. Now THATS a patriot who understands true sacrifice and what our country stands for.) and this is against everything I was ever brought up hearing at home, in society, in school, at work, and our constitution. Our country has gone from “by the people, for the people”, into “the people are the enemy”.
I wonder when criticizing your government will become illegal. this president seems yancy to make that happen. I respect the governmental position of president, but I will NEVER respect this man. He’s dowsing gasoline on every problem of my generation and emboldening the monsters of my age who have no mentality other than instant gratification and selfishness.
The bad guys seemingly always win in 2017. And those who want peace are called “Out-of-reality”
D I S G U S T I N G
Make America equal and safe again. Respect JUSTICE and LAW. THEN I’ll be proud. But I honestly don’t see that happening. Until then, I’ll be that angry citizen who is protesting with her community. (Or I’ll be that American who is emigrating in 4-8 years so that I can actually make an honorable difference in the world. It’s not like my leaders would miss me or want me here anyway based on the new idea of what a “patriot” is)
Trump’s policy
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
is sadly necessary for the time being until the instability originated by Dumya and Cheney and then enhanced by Obama is somehow settled. Of course this absolutely wont happen as long as we are supporting genocide by proxy against Palestinians and aiding and abetting in wholesale land theft. And then there is that Jerusalem thing. Somehow the word “evil” seems mild.
It’s interesting that the ban is on travel from seven Muslim-majority countries: Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen, and Iran. If being a Muslim country is a criterion for exclusion, it’s arbitrary, as it leaves out, e.g., Indonesia, Kuwait, and the UAE. If terrorism is at issue, it leaves out Saudi, which originated most of the 9/11 terrorists, and Egypt, which originated the rest.
Wonder how much business our Leader’s businesses do, one way or another, with the non-listed countries in the Middle East?
Kellyann Conway told Chris Wallace this morning that their list of seven countries was simply a starting point inherited from the Obama Administration. We shall see. Excluding Saudi Arabia from a DHS travel ban targeting who may be planning, funding, aiding or abetting acts of terrorism is ridiculous given their history.
Come to think of it Trump should completely eradicate funding both for the FBIs creation of domestic terrorists the DOJs eventual prosecution of them for participating in those self same government entrapment schemes
I don’t know. Ask Obama, he put the list together. It’s the current list of terrorist sponsoring countries.
Trump’s Muslim ban triggers the continued fleecing of the masses into being focused on the enemy abroad as opposed to the far more sinister enemy within. As he represents corporatocracy and the billionaire lords of oppression, he serves their greedy interests best by focusing on what divides the people, immigration, abortion, torture and the like.
Our new President is doing what he does best in providing third rate shallow entertainment, and the corporate media will continue to function as puppets of the psychopathic masters of corporatocracy by divergence coverage of Trump’s all to obvious character and personality flaws along with reviewing 24/7 topics that divide as opposed to reporting on what matters.
We exist as a scattered people until we the broadly resist this time old ploy used on us and move forward in relentlessly protesting the likes of the piracy of privatization including that of worldwide food and water resources, global economic inequality, continued expansion of cruel social inequality, endless slaughter for wars of profit, militarization of police to crush constitutionally guaranteed peaceful descent, indentured servitude of the masses by the lords of usury, the personal cruelty and economic insanity of student loan debt, craftily ignoring a single payer option by validating a healthcare system that functions like a vampire off the blood of our sick and elderly, the now giving of even less than lip service to avoiding catastrophic environmental destruction, the ending of our democracy via both the corrupting influence of campaign financing, and the laws of injustice written and upheld by the unjust ever so proud of their corporate personhood centerpiece.
^^^^^
This EO serves no purpose but to enforce State power upon those unable to prevent it.
It’s bare cruelty, lacking even the simplest of cover. The victims cannot act other than they have acted so it’s not punishment. There’s no law against traveling to the US for personal or professional reasons. (Yet.) It’s not preventative. The victims were already screened by a security system to rival Stasi so these victims pose almost no danger. The victims have nothing in common with one another — except the supposition of a common religion.
This EO amounts to nothing more than a egomaniac calling attention to himself while hurting others to do so,
Trump will justify the same way a cruel and sullen child might defend himself caught pulling the wings from flies, “But they’re only flies ,,, flies! What’s the matter with that?”
Except he’ll say and his supporters will say, “They’re only foreigners … foreigners! What the matter with that?”
And for exactly the same reason you can’t explain to a kid why it’s wrong to torment small creatures, you can’t explain that human beings have intrinsic rights to be treated with dignity and fairness.
Listen to them as they dismiss the humanity of those they harm. When they use the word “Muslim” or “terrorist” or “criminal” they might as well say “fly.”
This is the sort of evil the State has accepted as normal.
So very true.
I fear that Trump and his staff wll simply keep bulldozing along, despite outcry, despite what Senators say, despite the law. They’ll change the law. Isn’t that what they did in Nazi Germany. Made the heinous acts legal?
Trump. America’s last president?
Drumpf is an evil draconian, course, ignorant savage who DOES NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt. His obsession with Adolf Hitler is showing more and more. Mark these words: in act 3, wars. Major wars. He has absolutely no problem with the idea of ruining the reputation of our country in the eyes of the world if it means he will leave a permanent mark that says “Trump”. And the simple-minded will follow blindly.
As his approval numbers drop, and they will, there’s really only one thing that could make them bounce back: war. That’s a realistic expectation of what’s to come.
In usa_naziland the gestapo (security services etc) followed the orders to the letter. Even acknowledging that they were illegal & against international laws & supposedly their own value system… roll on the downfall of north-america.
WHAT is most telling about NYT’S, RCP, WAPO, HUFFPO, POLITICO AND the rest of the socialist subversives is their utter failure to grasp just how much Americans hate them…..it’s why they cannot change..But the real story is that we are having an evolutionary divergence of species here and nothing the idiots on the left will stop it….they have been trying engineer human behavior for so long now they actually think they are succeeding. But….heheh….it will take a catastrophe of their own making to move forward and that kids is what is about to happen…..ARE YOUR READY…..YOU BETTER BE READY….THE FKN MORONS ON THE LEFT ARE NOT READY.
The Land of the Free. America shows its true face – a weak and apologetic people dominated by an elite group of profiteering hatemongers and corporate fascists that the silent majority aspire to join. Fuck you, America.
I love that question your immigration officers love to ask: “Have you ever been involved in any political organisations aimed at overthrowing your government?”
Fuck yeah! It’s kinda obligatory for any normal decent human being right now, Mr Nazi Immigration Officer.