While President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration has left families wondering when they will see their loved ones again, drawing condemnation from leaders around the globe, the administration’s actions have also impacted another group: career U.S. officials working on asylum and refugee cases as well as foreign policy.
“There are people literally crying in the office here,” said a senior U.S. immigration official who spoke to The Intercept on condition of anonymity.
Interviews and internal communications obtained by The Intercept reveal how American personnel tasked with aiding the planet’s most vulnerable populations and representing the country in the international arena are learning bit by bit, through emails and confounding directives, how the jobs they signed up for are being steadily eroded.
The immigration official said that staffers at one Department of Homeland Security office were devastated when they arrived at work Monday morning to find an email, circulated among DHS leadership over the weekend, informing department personnel that they would no longer be permitted to adjudicate any immigration claims from the seven countries targeted by Trump’s travel ban, including petitions for asylum, permanent residency, or naturalization.
“Effectively [sic] immediately and until additional guidance is received, you may not take final action on any petition or application where the applicant is a citizen or national of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, and Libya,” wrote Daniel M. Renaud, associate director of field operations for DHS’s office of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. “Field offices may interview applicants for adjustment of status and other benefits according to current processing guidance and may process petitions and applications for individuals from these countries up to the point where a decision would be made.”
“At that point, cases shall be placed on hold until further notice and will be shelved with specific NFTS codes which will be provided through the Regional Offices,” Renaud went on. “Offices are not permitted [to] make any final decision on affected cases to include approval, denial, withdrawal, or revocation.”
“Please look for additional guidance later this weekend on how to process naturalization applicants from one of the seven countries listed above who are currently scheduled for oath ceremony or whose N-400s have been approved and they are pending scheduling of oath ceremony,” Renaud wrote. “We expect to issue more detailed guidance and procedures as needed in the coming days.”
The email, sent Saturday morning at 11:12 a.m., was among the first explicit instructions given to DHS leadership after Trump signed his travel ban Friday night. Numerous government officials, including some who spoke to The Intercept over the weekend, have said the implementation of the ban has been defined by a total lack of clarity and direction, resulting in chaos at airports across the country.
In practice, the senior immigration official told The Intercept, the directive means that if individuals fleeing wars or persecution in the countries targeted by Trump file for asylum, “We can’t issue a final decision.” Immigration authorities also can’t grant what is called “adjustment of status” to people already in the U.S. With respect to the oath ceremonies referenced in the directive, the official said the language indicates those could be placed on hold. When they would be resolved is unclear.
It was a move many within the government had feared, the official said — a so-called security hold that would essentially paralyze the asylum and immigration process for those fleeing some of the world’s most volatile places. “Permission to work, adjust status to a citizen or a permanent resident, any immigration form they have will stay in limbo,” the official explained. “We know what is coming. These cases will all likely be denied after significant waits.”
The impact of the new administration’s hard-line approach is also being felt in U.S. offices that work abroad, on the ground, with populations impacted by war and political repression.
Dozens of staff members of DHS’s Refugee, Asylum, and International Operations Directorate (RAIO) — which provides immigration and urgent humanitarian services to people fleeing oppression, persecution, or torture — were slated to fly out to posts in the Middle East and North Africa this week, the immigration official told The Intercept, but were told to stand down as early as last week. In an email sent to her staff on Friday, after Trump’s second executive order was signed, RAIO’s acting associate director Joanna Ruppel did her best to explain the new circumstances.
“There is not much I can tell you at this time, as we are working with the Department to get additional direction and guidance on implementation issues,” Ruppel wrote. “As we know more and develop implementation plans in the coming weeks, we will share information with you.”
Ruppel acknowledged that much of her staff had come to RAIO with the understanding that their work would largely involve granting asylum approval to those fleeing hardship around the world, and that Trump’s order appeared to threaten that reality. “Many of you joined RAIO specifically because you care about protection issues — protection of vulnerable populations and protection of our national security,” she wrote. “In implementing these executive orders, we will continue to use our collective knowledge, experience and ingenuity to improve the processes and programs we administer to further our important, integrated protection mission.”
“I cannot emphasize enough how important your work is and will continue to be,” she added.
The sense of upheaval has not been confined to DHS. On Monday morning, the legal blog Lawfare published a draft version of a dissent channel memo compiled by several officers within the State Department, which blasts the Trump administration for endorsing a policy “which closes our doors to over 200 million legitimate travelers” and “runs counter to core American values of nondiscrimination, fair play, and extending a warm welcome to foreign visitors and immigrants.”
“We are better than this ban,” the memo adds.
The Intercept independently reviewed an earlier version of the same memo. A final draft will be formally filed and delivered to the incoming secretary of state, though it was unclear when that would happen. A vote to confirm Trump’s pick for the position — Rex Tillerson — is expected later this week.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer responded harshly to the leaked dissent memo during a press briefing on Monday. “I think that they should either get with the program or they can go,” he told reporters. “This is about the safety of America and there’s a reason a majority of Americans agree with the president.”
“The president has a very clear vision,” he added. “If somebody has a problem with that agenda, then that does call into question whether they should remain in that post or not.”
Spicer’s comments further infuriated State Department officials who in the dissent memo clearly expressed their belief that the president’s ban “will not achieve its stated aim of to [sic] protect the American people from terrorist attacks” but that instead it would “immediately sour relations with these six countries, as well as much of the Muslim world” as well as “increase anti-American sentiment.”
“Multiple people were absolutely livid,” said a State Department official, who spoke to The Intercept on condition of anonymity. The official noted the important role played by the State Department’s internal dissent channel.
The channel was established as a way for State Department officials to raise concerns with government policy during the Vietnam War and requires the secretary of state to formally respond to the complaints raised through it. Last year, a few dozen officials filed a dissent to Secretary of State John Kerry on President Obama’s Syria policy.
“Freedom from reprisal for Dissent Channel users is strictly enforced,” the regulations state. “Officers or employees found to have engaged in retaliation or reprisal against Dissent Channel users … will be subject to disciplinary action.”
But this administration clearly has no interest in expertise or criticism.
“It shows zero understanding of the intent behind the dissent channel,” the official said, in reference to Spicer’s comments. “It’s an enormously grave insult to the institution, which is intentionally built to be deliberative.”
The White House’s response to this effort to raise concerns through official channels did little to reassure career State Department officials, many of whom learned of the executive order last week with a mixture of bafflement and heartbreak.
When asked what the mood was like on the inside, the State Department official responded, “In a word — chaos. And silence.”
“Today has been astonishingly silent. No NSC taskers, no communication. We’re all in suspense and on hold, and obviously fuming. This is a new era of American foreign policy that nobody I know ever really thought we’d usher in.”
It’s not just the “obviously wrong-minded” goals of the new administration, the official said, but also the opaque manner in which decisions about the executive order were being made and implemented.
“Procedurally speaking,” the official said, “it’s unprecedented.”
If you are a federal employee working in immigration you can contact us anonymously via SecureDrop. Instructions here: https://theintercept.com/leak/
Top photo: Iraqi refugees who fled the city of Mosul due to fighting between government forces and the Islamic State look from behind a fence at the U.N.-run al-Hol refugee camp in Syria’s Hasakeh province, on Dec. 5, 2016.
The state department staff members are absolutely right to be using the internal dissent process to point out the deep flaws in trump’s executive order . Trump appears to be totally untutored in world affairs . When State Department officials declare that this order is endangering the United States, they are doing their job . When they point out the grave hardship inflicted upon people, they are doing their job .
Very sadly we have entered a world of of fascist behavior on the part of Trump and his xenophobic , racist white supremacist team that Germany experienced in the late 30s. The situation of the refugees is very similar to those millions of Jews many of whom were unable to emigrate and rejected by the United States to later face their deaths in concentration camps such as Auschwitz .
Trump basically has declared war against Islam . Europe at this point considers the US to be as much a threat to world stability and to the European Union as china and Russia. Way to go Trump .
We control all 3 branches of governemnt, how do you plan to pass impeachment by the GOP controlled congress? And what is the impeachable offense again? Morons.
Elections have consequences. Making America Great Again will be our credo the next 8 years so suck it up buttercup!
These people are delusional. This is a 90 day hold, not a ban. So either 1) they got caught up in confusion and are okay now, 2) they abandoned their family so they shouldn’t care about waiting 90 more days, or 3) they are a terrorist and I don’t care if they are sad.
Also, this has nothing to do with muslim countries. It has everything to do with countries whos governments are in such disarray that they don’t know who is a terrorist and who is not. Remember that most background checks for immigrants are not done by the USA, but by the immigrant’s home country.
Lastly, layoffs are very common when management changes. This occurs regularly in the private sector, and I’m guessing it happens in the government every new president. This is just getting reported now because the media is biased.
In the non-government-employee world, it is common for staff members to see their jobs go away or be greatly changed by decisions by those in charge. If they don’t like it, they don’t have a lot of options. Most of them get very angry about it, but they don’t cry or demonstrate. I’m retired, but I was there many times during my long career. Bad news for the snowflakes: these changes are getting more and more common every year.
If you can’t perform your duties as directed, then QUIT or YOUR FIRED. It’s that simple.
How come none of Trump’s supporters were paying attention in fourth grade when the very easy difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’ was taught?
Please spare us the election results of your ignorance until you at least understand THAT.
Great news indeed!
Best suggestion … help DHS to come up with a vetting criteria in less than 90 days. The sooner the vetting protocols are in place, the sooner ‘real’ refugees will continue to come to America.
Tulsi Gabbard receives CivilBeat’s wrath, in accordance with foreign policy orthodoxy:
“Gabbard Crossed The Line With Secret Trip To Syria”, on civilbeat.org.
“Fortune favors the bold, but not the reckless.
And that’s what Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s mysterious trip to Syria and spur-of the-moment meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad was.
Reckless.
As Hawaii well knows, the congresswoman is no stranger to speaking her mind or disobeying the party line. Indeed, that rogue, anti-establishment streak endears her to many.
But Gabbard’s recent trip to Syria was so much more than a maverick move. It was, at best, naive and irresponsible, and, at worst, insincere and counterproductive to her stated goal of ending the horrible conflict in Syria.
The majority of congressional leaders as well as foreign policy experts have maintained that any solution to the six-year Syrian conflict includes getting rid of Assad, who most people blame for mass atrocities and war crimes against his own citizens.
But Gabbard has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policy in Syria, arguing that regime change is ineffective and that the country would become more dangerous if Assad is ousted. In November, she even met with then-President-elect Donald Trump to discuss her position against aiding Syrian rebels, a position Trump has expressed support for.”
TFW you go to work and are told that you have to do less work and you cry. Does anyone else get the sense that these employees weren’t exactly carrying out their duties in an objective fashion, but were rather collecting emotional support refugee-pets and are now hurt that they can’t help them?
Everything is going to seem like a reason to cry for those who have been coddled for the past decades. Get ready for more salt in the years to come.
What’s to stop Trump from writing another Executive Order banning the Dissent Channel?
Yeah, isn’t it great?
Sniveling bed-wetters.
Sniveling bed wetters.
More liberal bullshit…what a rag this has become. Time to quit frequenting this site.
It’s fine, you were never really here in the first place. Later.
Trump has to let the Saudi Terrorists keep coming.
Because Obama drew up the list.
So sick of the butt hurt left crying crocodile tears,jump on the Trump train or go home a majority of the American people support the temporary ban
These sniveling snowflakes are supposed to be keeping our kids safe? Pathetic! Fire every crybaby and replace them with real men and women.
Entry into the United States by non-citizens is a privilege, not a right. As a sovereign nation, we alone determine who enters and who doesn’t, just like every other nation on Earth.
Glad to read statement written by someone with a brain!
For Saudi Arabian Terrorists. Because Obama won’t let Trump put Saudi Arabia on the list.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Of course that’s true, but it doesn’t mean humanitarian and practical considerations are unimportant. A decent country can’t just one day decide to round up all legal immigrants and deport them to Siberia, for example. It can maybe do that legally, but it would be immoral.
This in spades. TI needs to interview Sikh who emigrated to Canada in the 70’s. They came with the full intent of becoming Canadians and understood it was something they would earn, not be given.
Green cards do NOT confer the rights of citizenship. You can LOSE a green card for any number of reasons and be denied permanently from entering the United States if:
1 – you commit a crime, misdemeanor or felony
2 – you stay outside of the United States for a period of greater than 1 year
3 – YOU TRAVEL TO THE COUNTRY FROM WHICH YOU WERE GRANTED ASYLUM
The 3rd one is a biggie and is statutorily. ANY of the “REFUGEES” who traveled back to their homeland from which they were granted asylum can be denied entry.
And lastly – YES, the President (through his administration) CAN revoke a green card at any time for sleight or aggression toward the United States – such as participating in a public demonstration against America or her policies in a foreign country.
The constitution does not confer rights and privileges to green card holders – it simply does not exist.
You seem to be aware that Green Card holders were targeted.
ANYONE who boards a plain in a foreign country with anything other than a US Passport can be denied entry into the US.
That is the way it has ALWAYS been
It’s not that difficult of a concept
Plane….duh
Brain freeze
You’re mistaken, and there’s plenty of scholarship on this. The US constitution applies to “persons” unless it explicitly says “citizens” in certain provisions. This is typically interpreted to mean “US persons”, that is, US citizens everywhere, and anyone within the borders of the US. The government can’t steal your property just because you’re a foreigner, for example.
I can understand the plight of the infirmed but the rest of the people theyre should be vetted properly. I know of many from ME protesting and picketing for shariah,in US. This can not, and must not be tolerated here.
I’m so confused. Of all the countries he has banned, there are no terrorist attacks on record from these countries that have killed anyone in this country. This man is perpetuating hate and adding fuel to an already sensitive problem. He is draining the swamp alright and filling it with nuclear sewage. This man, if left in power, will destroy our constitution, our freedom and eventually this Country. Why isn’t he banning The Saudi’s? That is where Bin Laden is from.
So many people are happy with his cleaning house but look who he is replacing the house with. Millionaires, investment bankers and venture capitalists who care nothing about the people of this country and only wish to line there pockets with money and power. This man needs to be impeached immediately. Revelation 6:2: “I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.”
Impeached for what? can you cite an impeachable offense (hint: look in the Constitution) that the President has committed during the 2 weeks he has been in office? Stop with the Liberal Leftist talking points.
treason
When Iran took our ambassadors hostage in 1979, I don’t remember crowds in Iran demanding the hostages be released. I do remember decades of Iranian crowds shouting “Death to America”. I also remember newsreels of people in the Middle East laughing and partying in the streets after the World Trade Center murders. So … am I supposed to like Iran? Has the government of Iran ever apologized for the 1979 hostage taking?
Stop with the fucking what-aboutisms, even if what you said was true, which I highly doubt, what does that have to do with anything, I thought we as a species were agreeing to not discriminate any group of people for their religion, origin or what any small subset of any group of people has done.
I certainly won’t judge the american people as a whole just because a cabal of ultra nationalistic, ultra capitalist, christian jihadists have taken over the white house.
It’s no surprise that human rights aren’t popular among the far right but even if there was a sensible consense on immigration policy, everyone in their right mind or with any expertise on the matter agrees that Trump’s Muslim Ban is not helping the matter at all. In fact, it’s just exacerbating the problem… but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what those criminals in the WH want.
Way to miss the point. Because the crowds that you refer to embody the mentality of every citizen of those countries who just might want to escape that culture to better themselves in the US.
I went to school w them during that time they spat on us spat on the flag screamed f-America in the halls during pledge of alegiance. Do I want them vetted hell yes I do. They had our Marines captive. They came to this country for a better life? Im not so easily convinced of that. We pay them to live here?
Has the U.S. or U.K. governments ever apologized for overthrowing Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953, installing the Shah and taking 80% of there oil profits … ah no.
Shit doesn’t just fall out of thin air dude; there are consequences to our actions. We overthrow a DEMOCRACY and installed a dictatorship under the auspices of freedom. The consequence of our actions was the rise of an Islamic theocracy and the hostage taking in 1979. It’s called BLOWBACK!
Here’s an idea clawhammerjake, before you let your fingers near a keyboard, read some history.
Some truth at last. Thank You!
The left is so freaking crazy right now – any perceived sleight is greeted with wailing and moaning.
The fateful moment is when they move beyond words into clearly seditious behavior.
People think it’s a big joke — until it’s not
You and Trump both claim to remember people celebrating 911 but that doesn’t make it true at all.
Iran didn’t have anything to do with it. Sunni Salafist Wahabbis did that, and they aren’t on the list.
No one is asking you to, and no one cares if you do. That’s off-topic.
This is a mirror image of the fall of the Berlin wall.
In November 1989, SED Functionary Hans Modrow fumbled when answering the question of a journalist and stated that the new travel arrangements would be in force “ab sofort” — in other words, with immediate effect. After a few hours of absolute confusion at border points, and panic in the hierarchy, the gates were opened and history was made.
In January 2017 the WH issues confusing orders with “immediate effect” to close the borders to very dangerous people, like 77 year old grannies, 5 year old kids, and PhD students. Night is falling on Amerika.
Hey folks, the Loonie Tunes antics of the Insane Clown Posse administration is just getting started. Want to run,(ruin) a country? Just appoint a group of greedy rich billion and multi-millionaire businessmen to help run things. WTF do they know about how government works other than donating vast sums of money to get friendly idiots to further their agenda? We need people to get away from the constant propaganda bombarding us 24/7 and start paying attention to what’s going on. The ‘new’ banned immigration policy does have precedents but just maybe it’s time for a change for the better. For those that do care keep pushing back, by any means possible, and don’t listen to the bullshit being put forth constantly by folks that want to keep their jobs,e.g. the WH press and their ilk.
They are crying because Trump won’t let in a trickle, like Obama, of those millions that were displaced when Obama armed jihadists and bombed both the Syrian and Libyan states to hell. I guess you can drone Muslims, bomb hospitals, and arm Jihadists to destroy Muslim states … but if you stop Muslim travel plans for 90 days, you are a racist monster!
That said, Trump’s ban is useless. All of the major attacks have come from individuals that the intelligence agencies were aware of; they were just too stupid (or corrupt) to connect the dots.
Those who care about Muslims have spoken up about Obama’s undeclared wars against them in Syria, Libya, Yemen and elsewhere. The rest are just liberal concern trolls that wouldn’t have batted an eye if Hillary had won and continued their genocide for dominance of the middle east oil and gas interests.
It’s not 90 days. It restarts the entire process which already took 18 months to 2 years. 90 days is just pleasant looking packaging. Got it?
How much protesting did you do against Obama/Clinton and their misbegotten wars in Libya and Iraq that created the current refugee crisis?
These weepers are exactly the wrong people to be adjudicating these cases. We need some hard-nosed skeptics for that task. It’s telling that they consider it their job to grant asylum. They work for the Department of Homeland Security. It’s their primary job to protect the United States from those who would do us harm. That starts with casting a skeptical eye on the claims of those who seek entrance as refugees. Asylum seekers are known to be well-coached in the kind of stories they need to tell people who are already predisposed to accept their applications.
Refugees shall be treated with all the rights which they are entitled to under the laws of a country. However, if it becomes obvious that refugees are used by certain interests as a weapon to destabilize a country, this country must take appropriate measures. To deal with this, the respective government is committed to defend the interests of its citizens, even temporarly
Fake news?
The Wall Street Journal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/billionaire-george-soros-lost-nearly-1-billion-in-weeks-after-trump-election-1484227167
Alright children it’s time to clean your rooms and organize your closets because papa Trump is putting down his foot and cleaning up this neglected house. If you dont like then stay in your closets until you can stop with your snot bubbles because you are having a hard time adjusting to structure and limits. LMAO!!!!!
Time to feed the Soros-trolls here in the Forum:
“It is no secret that George Soros and his friends do everything they can to sabotage the presidency of Donald Trumps as extensively as possible. The already got a name for it: “pink revolution”.
These current Soros triggered protests could even lead to civil-war-like scenarios in the US when opponents and followers of Trump meet along the road and the clashes escalate. In view of the fact that the Americans still hoard a lot of weapons at home, one can even assume that these will be used sooner or later. Is it that Soros & Co want?” (translated from Contra Magazin).
Get ready folks and kill that bastard before he kills you!
The Soros organization sent me here but I see that you have nothing really rising to the level of my attention.
Someone needs to tell former President Obama that he lost. His opinion that this is a “Muslim ban” is so far off the mark, that it beggars imagination that he thinks he will get away with this.
The ban is on ISIS hotspots in the ME, with 7 designated countries already chosen by the DHS and Obama himself executing HIS ban on Iraqis. There are nearly 50 countries in the world that are deemed ‘Muslim.” If this were a ban on Muslims, Trump would have put a kosh on all those countries, instead of the 7 that were appropriately deemed high risk.
Which is it, Democrats? Do you prefer the POTUS worrying about offending Muslims from these dangerous, high risk countries, with the potential to put terrorists within the refugee groups to slip in the USA with them, and kill more Americans, or do you care about Americans? At all? I get the feeling from the Democrats their worry is more about the first, then the last.
The fact that Obama couldn’t even mouth the words, “Islamic Terrorists” says it all. Can anyone imagine FDR having a hard time mouthing the word, “Nazis?” Do you think he was worried about German sensibilities? No, his duty was to the American people and he did his sworn duty.
Uh, the “Green Card” thing is a blind spot for you is it? No?..
So the Green Card thing, is that the Muslim ban you’re thinking about Bob? Keep your eye on the shiny [green] object. Don’t try and understand anything.
Those “just following orders” were tried and convicted at Nuremberg, remember?
Obama couldn’t mouth the words “Islamic Terrorists” but he sure could kill or even hire them for his undeclared wars. Ironically, although FDR was able to say the word Nazi, Obama has one-upped him … he armed Nazi’s in the Ukraine two months before an election.
Yes. And it’s why all this wailing and gnashing of teeth is about one thing only… Sour Grapes. They lost. And they lost badly. They cannot accept this reality and instead of bothering to try to analyze why they lost, they just keep throwing mud at the wall in the hopes it will stick.
When Democrats do things, it’s OK. It’s OK to arrange drone strikes in which innocents are killed. No fuss from the Dems on that. It’s OK that Obama put a ban for 6 months on Iraqis. But he’s a Dem, it’s OK. It’s OK that HRC laughed her head off after they tortured and killed Khadfi. It’s OK to wail and cry that we are being mean, mean, mean, to refugees and illegal immigrants. But ask them who will take care of them. The answer is the middle class. The same middle class that fight in the wars, the same that built the infrastructure, the same that they malign and mock.
All politics, folks. The Democrats have lost the moral edge and they know it.
Are you people that fucked up, that you don’t see we are on the eve of destruction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These people were hired to do a specific task. If they cannot except that fire em.
Their opinion is irrelevant.
What the heck, you had ONE job, Randy. To get your grammar correct. But by saying except (“specify as not included in a category or group; exclude.”), you are telling them to not do the specific task. What you mean is “accept”.
Here is my comment-just submitted to the State Department webpage-
Dear members of our State Department,
How many of you want to support a totally fascist leadership?
Who on earth will hire anyone who values their job more than the nation they are suppose to represent?
You have a historic choice to leave the State Department now and be hailed as a hero
for standing up against the nations new dictator Donald Trump and his Nazi like party
or you can grin and bury your heads into the muck and mire and be scrutinized for
the remainder of your careers for standing by Trump.
Some of us individuals value integrity, justice and humanity far more than a position in government.
In 1990 I was a City of Saratoga ,California employee who was ordered to dump highly toxic
pesticides into streams near the city water supply to get rid of it.The city managers claimed
that it would be broken down and be harmless.I refused! When pressured to do so-not only did I resign
a position that I had spent 3 years in college to obtain the job but I reported them
to the Department of Agriculture, OSHA,EPA and they got caught and lost their
state license to apply pesticides.
I valued my community over my position and high salary because I could not violate
the principal nature of my job and my duty to everyone downstream of the dumpsite.
All of you today that stay on in the State Department are in a similar position that I was in.
All of you know Donald Trump is not just wrong but totally immoral,totally corrupt and a true Nazi loving fascist
who is anti Women’s rights,anti religious rights and will destroy the US Constitution.
By remaining in your positions and serving under Trump-your careers future will be ruined.
When you stay and support any fascist govt you betray not only any oath you may have sworn to
but you betray the citizens of our great nation every day you show up to work!
Look in the mirror folks-are you really this desperate for income to support this individual?
Leave now-and I’m betting many job offers with higher pay will be offered to all of you!
Every person who jumps ship now will be seen as a hero to Democracy versus those
who support tyranny and fascism~ are you a real American with the principles of decency
or just another loser working for the New World Order of Trump fist
United States of America last?
People are rightly speaking out against the ban on Muslims, but no one has spoken out against the ban on Jews. For the last 50 years, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Yemen, Bangladesh, Brunei, Malaysia and Pakistan have banned Israelis.
Leave your strawman at the door. That is a completely irrelevant point you just made.
Israelis or Jews…which is it?
There is no ban on “Jews”. You are not being honest about that.
I am sure everyone cried when Obama did the same thing. Or when Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did it. They had to! Right? They are very sensitive people in the State Department.
It absolutely amazed me how all these government officials just can’t wait to go running to the media to divulge information , anonymously of course. Best case they get fired, worst case, they get tried for treason. Time to start nailing these idiots to the wall. You have no idea what kind of harm you may cause
Seriously!?!? Don’t cry like you are helpless. You guys are in DHS and state debt, fight against this crap! Don’t “Obey”
Fight, Ignore or disobey immoral policy. In the “slave” era, would you be one to turn-in a runaway slave, because it was the law?
I take it you are a Muslim. What is your nationality?
“Saudi Arabian”.
Where are you travelling from?
“Pakistan”.
What sect are you?
“Wahabbi Salafist”
Oh god, sir I am so sorry sir. Is there anything I can get you, anything at all?
Please don’t bother with these forms.
I am so sorry sir. Please go right over there, welcome to the USA.
Please don’t get me fired. I need this job.
Don’t forget Indonesia, Malaysia! Ya really got to watch out for them!
You are joking, but do ya really got to watch out for Saudi Arabia? Yes.
For decades the executive bureaucracy has worked against the interest of the American nation, collecting salaries and benefits much higher than the average worker that have contributed to the economic decline of this country. They are supposed to serve the American people but instead have decided to oppose our interests in many areas. I have know sympathy. Those that have essentially decided to revolt against the president deserve firing, or even imprisonment depending on the situation.
“Intergenerational living and housemates are so uncool. We want to live by ourselves! We want the breakfast nook overlooking the morning dew in the lichen covered grotto with the city view and we shouldn’t have to shaaare unless we’re entertaining guests. LIVING WAGE. LIVING WAGE.”
-the progressive left
Bizarre.
You guys are really getting desperate.
Boohoo. Good riddance!!!!!
“Bernie’s a wild haired sociali-, er indepe-, er ‘democratic socialist’ who is our savior. Who makes a great silhouette. He’d never sell out. He’d never endorse Hilla-…. General Strike, General Strike. BUT THAT WAS 2011, this is the real General Str-…. Occupy Media! We’re smarties.”
-the progressive left
Those hopeless Tea Partiers. Next thing you know, they’ll think they can secure the presidency for four more years.
All these people that are against ban, think about those people that lost their lives in the 9/11 destruction. You see if this was in place then it might not have ever happened. At least Trump is not sitting around waiting on another catastrophe. What about the Boston bombing the tragedy in Orlando. Canada said they welcome immigrants, look what happened earlier this week, a terrorist attack. Trump was the first to reach out to Canada’s prime minister. I applaud Trump, because I care about the safety of my family and I. For those that don’t like it, tough luck.
Trump’s ban will only make us less safe by distraction from detecting the real terrorists and increasing the propaganda that aides terrorist recruitment. This will also make translators and fixers more afraid to help our service people, who might be relying on them. Trump is a frightening malignant narcissist who is destabilizing and alienating even our current allies with his impetuous grandstanding. I’ve already signed an impeachment petition. impeachdonaldtrumpnow dot org I should add that I am a USA citizen, an immigrant to the USA.
Most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia; it was not included in the ban because the orange small-handed king is in business with them. You think you are safe, you and the US is NOT safe now.
I just checked, and this would have prevented all of zero terrorists from gaining entry. So your family is still screwed. Sorry for your loss.
If you work within the Federal Government and disagree with the current political agenda of the Trump Administration please join the Resistance.
Slow down the works, don’t feed political appointees ammunition or knowledge that can be used to undermine your department.
We as Americans are better than President Bannon et al.
We’re talking about civil servants paid by taxpayers to provide public service. Go practice civil disobedience on your own dime. You no doubt think yourselves better Americans than the people who support the Trump administration. That’s your prerogative. Refusing to do a job for which you’re well-compensated (by your fellow Americans, by the way, who in large numbers do support this administration) is not. And in the spirit of your snark, there are any number of people who think President Bannon will be a vast improvement over President Jarrett.
Time for Trump to exit – one way or another. Congress do your job. If you don’t Anonymous will do it for you – or Putin will release his dirt on Trump if Trump doesn’t deliver or is blocked from delivering the end to sanctions and his other demands.
Mr. Trump and his team are bullies. There is only one way to deal with these adult bullies. Crying is a step, but don’t stop there. We can collectively take them on!
This has nothing to do with bullying. It’s about keeping America safe. Fascism is mob rule, protesters across the nation using mob rule, that’s bullying.
That’s President Trump, Mr. JayZ. And we should all support him.
“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”
If crying is one of your steps, good luck. What comes next? Stomping feet??
I don’t know if he understands it, but clearly the President has declared war on his own federal agencies and their employees.
I’d bet on the bureaucracy in the long run.
“The president has a very clear vision,” Spicer said. Yes…No Muslims. What could be clearer?
A “clear vision” which increasingly appears to be a psychotic’s delusional hallucination.
The Trump “fans” can yell all they want in his defense — by attacking others because Trump cannot be defended; what they cannot do is pretend that Trump’s behaviors, and their whining in defense of it, is Constitutional.
Putting a temporary hold on immigration is quite Constitutional. It’s been done many times.
These Obamitized people are part of the SWAMP! If they are this naive about the Islamist’s deceitful ability to sneak into our nation as refugees, and if they care so little about protecting Americans first, and since they have shown how disrespectful they are of our new President, then I hope they all hear two little words, “You’re Fired!”
yellow journalism
Good deal, I do not pay you for your political position, I hire you to preform a task.
Skipped quickly to the bottom of the article after seeing ‘condition of anonymity’. You must do better! As you know many faked articles lately rely on such sources. Why is your’s more worthwile?
Love the reporting, but anytime I hear “literally crying” or “literally shaking” I immediately dismiss the article or person speaking because this phrase is indicative of pathetic social justice warriors who are unable to deal with what is happening. It doesn’t evoke sympathy, it evokes disgust. Yes, what is happening is terrible, but so to is the fact that you can’t hold it together and deal with things like an adult.
Did the bastards cry when Clinton was caught chortling, “We came, we saw, he died”?
Did they cry when Madeleine Albright said it was “worth it” that her efforts in sanctioning Iraq caused the death of thousands of children?
Trump is a nutbar dictator, and I bet that NONE of the State Department crybabies cared until their own ox might be gored.
The article is about Donald Trump and his subversion of long-established gov’t processes, not about Clinton. Your effort to change the subject is not only off topic, it is intellectually dishonest.
Your “bet” is, of course, gratuitous BS premised on the delusion that you actually know the internal reality at the State Dep’t, which delusion is obviously false.
It is that sort of arrogant presumption that pollutes and poisons and subverts political discourse by politicizing even the law.
“Justice and the rule of law are to be ABOVE politics.” — John Adams.
IOW you’re a Dembot who refuses to answer the question…so, I assume that the answer is “no” to my first two questions.
It’s STILL about the State Department, which is run by…politicians.
First of all, we’re talking about a function of Homeland Security, not State. Second, we’re just come off eight years of an administration that politicized every single department of the federal government. And third and most important, a temporary halt to immigration is well within the confines of the rule of law.
Reject fakenewspresident.com … This will go down in history as the the most damaging pre-shit-dent of all times. SAD!
Where do I go to cry to get everything I want?
They were crying in solidarity with the senate minority leader….. I propose a national day of crying !
If they want to offer expressions of solidarity with that of the senate minority leader, it should be in the form of braying. Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-UzxqpPLc8
hypocrisy and exploitation in action.
It was the democrats who were responsible for the enactment of the following:
(12) Designation of high risk program countries
(A) In general
The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, shall evaluate program countries on an annual basis based on the criteria described in subparagraph (B) and shall identify any program country, the admission of nationals from which under the visa waiver program under this section, the Secretary determines presents a high risk to the national security of the United States.
(B) CriteriaIn evaluating program countries under subparagraph (A), the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, shall consider the following criteria:
(i) The number of nationals of the country determined to be ineligible to travel to the United States under the program during the previous year.
(ii) The number of nationals of the country who were identified in United States Government databases related to the identities of known or suspected terrorists during the previous year.
(iii) The estimated number of nationals of the country who have traveled to Iraq or Syria at any time on or after March 1, 2011 to engage in terrorism.
(iv) The capacity of the country to combat passport fraud.
(v) The level of cooperation of the country with the counter-terrorism efforts of the United States.
(vi) The adequacy of the border and immigration control of the country.
(vii) Any other criteria the Secretary of Homeland Security determines to be appropriate.
(C) Suspension of designation
The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, may suspend the designation of a program country based on a determination that the country presents a high risk to the national security of the United States under subparagraph (A) until such time as the Secretary determines that the country no longer presents such a risk.
(D) Report
Not later than 60 days after December 18, 2015, and annually thereafter, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, shall submit to the Committee on Homeland Security, the Committee on Foreign Affairs, the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, and the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, the Committee on Foreign Relations, the Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate a report, which includes an evaluation and threat assessment of each country determined to present a high risk to the national security of the United States under subparagraph (A).
What the Democrats DID NOT do was undermine the functioning of gov’t.
What we see Trump doing is hamfisted ignorance of the Constitution and how the gov’t functions thereunder and in keeping therein. Being a bullying dictator is not only corrupt it is UNAMERICAN. Gov’t is not and cannot be run like a BUSINESS, basically because businesses are: dictatorship.
And the actions of Bannon, who expressly states that he is a Leninist — Lenin being one of the founders of Communism. Interesting turnaround that Republicans now support and defend Communism against fact, reason, history, and their own claims to be about protecting national security.
Will you be voting for Putin/Bannon again in 2020?
No, rather they used the power of the executive to incrementally undermine the constitution to the degree in which the president has been vested with the unchallenged authority to kill anyone, anywhere, at any time – including US citizens – without regard to due process or any other constitutional restraints. By comparison, Donald Trump has inconvenienced a few hundred green card carrying Muslims in transit while testing the limits of law provided to him via the passage of 2011 immigration policy written by the democrats and signed into law by Obama. Although it is my belief that the president made a very critical era in judgement in openly defying a stay by a Federal court, I do not believe that this act has the potential of undermine the “functioning of gov’t” itself. It is my belief that Trump has foolishly spent precious political capital and public momentum on ends that have little potential of garnering broad support; in effect, he has shot himself in the foot (which, I suppose, is better than shooting a hunting buddy in the face with a shotgun Cheney style).
The Democrats did it.
Trump wanted to put Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, and UAE on the list.
And Trump wanted to do other sensible, intelligent things with it.
But Obama wouldn’t let him.
“Trump wanted to put Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, and UAE on the list.”
Right, there was a conversation where Trump said, “Yo B, I got a couple others you need to add.” And Obama said, “No Donald, you’ll have to add them later if you want them.”
Yeah. Okay. Then Donald said, “I’ve done a great deal of research on foreign relations, and the impetus behind global terrorism recruitment. The country will be in much better hands when it has a well-thought policy like mine put in place.” And the angels sang. And then you woke up.
If you want to speak about that which is, then I am all ears…
Whoever, however, leaves only a good hair on the king with the magnificent squirrel fresco, immediately risks being abused as “Donald-Crony” or even as a follower of a fascist-like Donaldism. The fact that some of his ideas seem terrible does not alter the fact that others might be good, but the Donald opponents in the exceptional kingdom are not yet able to make any distinctions. Everything he says is a lie, everything he does, a catastrophe – even if in many cases he only continues (as in the case of the Mexican Wall), what his predecessors have started long ago. As long as the opposition to Donald is acting on this nursery level, she will not be fooled, but driven. And this only strengthens his position , if some of its “mendacious”, “wrong”, “hopeless”, “catastrophic” activities actually work …
“MIGHT be good”.
I operate according to actual hard evidence, not baseless speculation.
Trump is causing DAMAGE to the country. He and his extremist posse have no clue how gov’t functions, or that the established protocols they are destroying were developed over CENTURIES of trial and error.
Moreover, Bannon expressly says he is a Leninist — Lenin being one of the founders of Communism — and admittedly intent on DESTROYING the gov’t of the US.
That’s what his blind “fans” are DEFENDING, against all sanity.
CENTURIES of trial and error? My goodness, we’ve only been around for less than two and a half centuries. And to what “established protocols” are you referring? A temporary halt to immigration is well within the purview of the executive.
The motto of Trump is “Numquam Concedere (never give up)” (his coat of arms in Scotland).
Let’s see if he can make America great again.
On the other hand, the “Deep State” stands.
“The CIA is a state of the deep state and the shadow government.” The CIA enjoys a virtually unlimited black budget and virtually unlimited powerthat is Beyond the reach of law, and beyond the control of the White House. ”
Exciting it is already!
Conspirabunk from yet another civics-illiterate who doesn’t know how to get serious and act maturely. That’s all it takes to be an (unintentional?) enemy of the US.
The use of anonymous government sources is now becoming as rampant at the intercept as those MSM sources who are routinely ridiculed by Intercept journalists. For Christ sake, has the Intercept been reduced to relying on “anonymous government sources” just to report a case or two of emotional upset over a tenuous change in immigration policy that began with Obama and has been in the making for years ? Really?
It was the Obama administration that identified the seven countries that were expressly named under section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12) of the U.S. code, and it is this code that Trump’s executive order cited while banning citizens of those nations. Yet not one mention of Obama or democratic lawmakers has been mentioned by the authors as they endeavor to speak of Trump’s actions as if their alleged singular nature provides proof that Trump is an Islamophobe.
Present policy ALWAYS has its roots in the past. The Obama administration laid the groundwork by which Trump’s actions were made possible.
Karl,
Perhaps you haven’t noticed that there was a coup at the White House? These leaks are fundamentally different that the use of ‘anonymous sources’ used as plausible deniability to push through agenda that the WH or a political party doesn’t want it’s fingerprints on.
We now have a president who does not care about the law, the constitution, nor is he willing to abide by the carefully constructed checks and balances built into our system of democracy.
Those who are leaking and talking to the press aren’t doing it to gain benefits. They are risking their lives, careers, and families.
And yes, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Ford, Carter, and Nixon laid the groundwork for this – starting with the assassinations of John, Martin, and Bobby.
No, I hadn’t noticed a coup as Trump was elected to office. There are all types of motives that govern anonymous leaks including party loyalties. However, history has clearly demonstrated that claims provided by anonymous sources cannot be relied upon as there is no way to validate the merits of their claims. It is also clear that the reason that the authors have chosen to cite the purported claim of their anonymous source is to garner the particular attitude that you are now attempting recursively use in support of their use – that, unlike the previous administration, Trump will not tolerate on-the-record criticism of his policies from any non-elected federal employee.
We now have a president who does not care about the law, the constitution, nor is he willing to abide by the carefully constructed checks and balances built into our system of democracy.
Again, Trump’s executive order relied upon the language of law that was enacted by the Obama administration. What we are witnessing here is evidence of policy continuity in the form of incrementalism. Trump is merely picking up where Obama left off. When Giuliani was tasked by Trump to construct an immigration policy, it was done with express concern for the law. And the law upon which the current policy relies was enacted in 2011 while Obama occupied the oval office. Stop buying into the illusion that Trump is an anomalous aberration of American politics. He is a made for order candidate who has been tasked to tap into the ever-growing angst of middle America to garner support for the next phase of the dark state’s agenda.
Trump is a puppet stand-in for the elected Putin.
Ordering DHS to ignore a federal judge’ order to cease the holds is Treason young man. Nobody is above the law, least of all the president.
That is why you have a separation of the branches, the Trias Politica is fundamental.
What you are seeing here is the start of a fascist government, your country is sliding down the slippery slope to authoritarianism friend, and you’re cheering it on. They’re coming for the Muslims now, you may well be next.
Firing the Attorney General because she considers the EO unlawful shouldn’t happen, they’re independent, their opinions valued.
Subsequently appointing a toady that will is even fucking worse.
But you’re too happy that your white-supremacist friends and yourself can go around beating up innocent immigrants that you’re willing to overlook the very frightening possibilities that are being built here.
Right now Bannon is effectively running the country, Trump doesn’t have the ability to read documents this complex, nor the interest.
I pray the NSA or CIA decide to take him out for you if Congress doesn’t decide to impeach him first. This is too fucking dangerous to cheer on.
No, it is not. However, your Ignorance and condescension are duly noted, go on…
No, what we are seeing here is part of a much longer, firmly established tradition of periodic challenges to Judicial supremacy by elected officials. (For the record, I fall on the side of judicial supremacy)
The attorney general serves at the discretion of the President; it is the President’s prerogative to replace her at anytime without reason. In this instance, she publicly refused to follow a lawful order from the President. It is the Administration’s position that the Immigration and Nationality Act gives the President the ability to exclude any class of would-be visitors or immigrants to our country based on our national security interests. However, If I were in the Attorney General’s position, I would have done exactly the same thing.
I have posted hundreds of comments on Intercept threads. I challenge you to find one wherein I expressed support for Trump. But hey, what is a little thing like the Truth when a lie is so conveniently self serving eh Azhrarn (prince of demons in the flat world)?
Here is a little light reading for you in perpetration for your next suicide attack:
The Politics of Constitutional Meaning
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s8427.pdf
“We now” … REALLY, Just Now, Starting this very moment? Identity Politics ate your brain!
Sorry to break this, but, all of your current troubles began decades ago.
The pinnacle was St. Obama himself taking a huge crap all over Nurenberg, unopposed and un-criticized by all the “good people” now whining about Donald Trump. So suck it right up!
Is using a pen and a phone to circumvent Congress and the will of the people the kind of fealty to our carefully constructed system of checks and balances you have in mind?
Past: “Yes we can”.
Presence: “Yes we do”.
Past: “Yes we can”.
Presence: “Yes we do”.
Future: Yes we dodo where we eat.
Obama made Trump do it.
Trump was like, “but the Saudi Terrorists should also be on the list”.
Obama was like “no way, you have to do it exactly the way I tell you.
Trump was like “okay”.
Grow up!
Yes, Obama flagged the countries – but he never banned 200 million people from visiting or studying here! This is Trump’s – live with it.
No, he only signed into law the democratic sponsored immigration legislation that has purportedly provided Trump with the power to affect such actions at his discretion as chief executive.
When the fck are we going to re-investigate 9/11. I’m really sick of more horrible polices being shotgunned out of the wake of that cover up which now apparently has total by in from the POTUS himself, god dammit, we fooled our own government into thinking there is Cobra Command!
America is dummmmmmmmmb.
Amazing how long the affects of Cultural Marxism (Globalist propaganda) will prevent the brainwashed masses (LGBTQ, Global Warming, Multiculturalism, mass migration) from seeing the Trump Agenda and the many staffers (Flynn, Mattis, Tillerson, Bannon) who are implementing the strategy to destroy the Bankster’s wet dream of a Global Slave state. But hang on, in 6 months if Trump is not murdered by the elites, you will not recognize the world and hopefully humbled as you wake up from your engineered nightmare!
“Bankster’s wet dream…” What a howl! Trump IS bankster’s wet dream!
Trump campaigned against Wall Street — and his “fans” still have their heads up that lie.
Trump’s appointments for his Cabinet includes at least three Wall Street billionaire, including Mnuchin, who is currently UNDER INVESTIGATION for Criminal violations which helped result in the 2008 recession.
But don’t let actual facts get in the way of your alternative “facts”.
Marx was a co-founder of Communism with Lenin. Bannon expressly says that he is a Leninist — and that he is operating according to Lenin’s dictum that the state must be destroyed.
Thus Bannon expressly says that he wants to tear down EVERYTHING.
That’s the crackpot anti-Semite and Neo-Nazi Bannon you praise.
Lenin was 13 when Marx died, so he was hardly a “co-founder”. You are desperately sticking every label you can onto Bannon…who is, simply, a dick…and Trump’s faithful scribe.
Bankers like Steve Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross?
Yeah, but did you know Hillary gave them SPEECHES?! For MONEY?!!!! AhEmGeeeeee!!!!!!!!
I heard Clinton spoke at Goldman Sachs.
The same Goldman Sachs from which Trump has sold out on all his appointments for the entire US economic policy.
I heard Clinton got $675,000, ostensibly for 3 speeches she gave.
I heard Clinton told the bankers, “you gotta have 2 faces – one is for you guys here who I actually serve, and the other is to say whatever you want to any chumps you can find who will believe it”.
I support trump and his move. Good job
I support trumps move. Liberals are cry babies. Need a tissue for your tears
I support trumps move. Sorry liberals. With their hateful direction more like libhatefuls
How is this fascist demagogue able to get away with this? I mean he fired Yates for doing her job? He feels “betrayed’ becasue the judiciary is doing the job it’s been designed to do per the Constitution??? He simply refuses to follow judicial orders. This is extremely alarming and disturbing. This also what totalitarianism looks like. Remove everyone who stands in your way and consolidate power and defy the Constitution and court orders.
And this is not about security of Americans. But let’s be clear that this isn’t actually about “immigration.” Trump is the son of an immigrant and the husband of an immigrant. This is very specifically about brown people who are seeking asylum from harm. And they’re being cast as dangerous. Why would that be? Because this is an opening salvo in a vast white supremacist agenda. See also Trump’s attacks on Chicago and Philly as uniquely dangerous. Trump is projecting onto people or color and/or religious minorities the INTENT TO HARM that is a central feature of his own agenda.
The tactic is designed to: 1. Other. 2. Erode empathy for the Other. 3. Create fear of the Other. 4. Engender hatred of the Other. The ban is AWFUL on its own. But it is only the foundation for a strategy of division that will lead to things worse than we have conjured. And it’s critical to view all of these things as part of that complex strategy.
Impeach this scumbag swine Trump already.
” I mean he fired Yates for doing her job?”
Her job is to defend the executive branches agenda. That’s literally her role. If you were a client and had some case before the court your attorney can’t just say “I disagree, I refuse to represent you on that premise”… she is meant to represent the government. If she can’t do that she can only resign or expect to be fired.
” But let’s be clear that this isn’t actually about “immigration.” ”
You do realize this list of countries was decided on by the Obama administration, right?
You cannot impeach a president just because you want to… he has to have committed high crimes or misdemeanors or bribery… his executive order is completely legal.
she swore and oath to uphold the constitution, to apply the law … she did not (nor does any other public servant) swear and oath to obey the president . that’s absurd
several federal courts have already determined that this order by dt is unconstitutional … ie ILLEGAL
NO. OMG, NO. Her job is NOT to defend the president or executive branch. Good grief. When exactly did you drop out of school? The judicial branch’s job is interpreting laws and their constitutionality. She swore an oath to the Constitution, not to the executive branch. I mean that is sort of the WHOLE POINT of the division of powers and checks and balances. Hello…..
Gee, where were all these servants of the Constitution back when the DOJ was defending Obama’s every move as he was continually being slapped down by the judiciary?
I agree
No, her job is to defend the Constitution – as she stated in the oath when she took office. She isn’t beholden to anyone except the law.
And he HAS committed high crimes and treason. The “man” governs by impulse, on whim, for personal retribution, for profit, by decree—as if he had been elected dictator. He has decreed impulsive orders, un-vetted by legal, policy, or political staff, much less by serious planning.
I dont care Obama had those countries on a list. So he was wrong too. But the point is that Trump is selectively banning refugees (but not from actual terrorist-sending countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt where Trump has business interests) . He defies court orders, believing his EOs to be beyond judicial review which is a blatant violation of the Constitution and could land him in contempt of the court, not to mention that he is putting his own business interests ahead of the country’s as well as his weird and opportunistic alliance with Vladimir Putin bordering on treason.
Of course there is legal grounds to impeach him. Just that nobody has the guts to do it becasue they are all accomplices to his crimes.
You do realize Obama didn’t do this, right?
Legal? Hardly. He violated international law. He can resign along with you from commenting on this forum.
Now go back to not-so-breitBart ellen of the white folk and feed on whatever scraps of logic you feel are left to nibble on over there you cockroach fuking twat.
You also realize the Obama administration used that list for a very different purpose, IE removing states from the Visa Waiver Program? Of which many states that have traditionally harbored terrorists in the past already weren’t a part of? The countries used 100% make sense for modifications to the VWP, but make absolutely 0 sense in terms of protecting American’s from terrorism.
Glad to see you ate the Trumpian talking point so completely though.
15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia isn’t on Trump’s Muslim ban list, because he has business interests in Saudi Arabia.
His continuance of that violates the Emoluments clause of the Constitution.
‘Nuff said.
Her job, per the Constitution, is to defend the Constitution and rule of law — NOT the President’s agenda. The Dept. of Justice is not to be a political entity defending unconstitutional policies. Nixon’s AG Mitchell went to jail for treating the DOJ as a political “slush fund”.
Look up Sen. Sessions questioning of her at her nomination hearing. He went to great lengths to establish that she would OPPOSE the President’s policies when they are (arguably) illegal. Her loyalty being, as he makes clear, being to the Constitution and laws.
Now he is defending her firing for doing exactly that, because he only meant that she should POLITICIZE the DOJ by opposing the policies of President Obama, who had the outrageous gall to get elected — twice, by comfortable margins — While Being Black.
Sessions is established by his own history as being a stone racist — a “Jim Crow” segregationist. He has no problem with a politicized DOJ supporting and defending the unconstitutional actions of his fellow racists Trump and Bannon; in fact he requires it — Constitution be demand.
Justice and the rule of law are to be ABOVE politics.” — John Adams. And that is the proper Constitutional role of every entity of gov’t.
By contrast, Trump is conducting a purge of all points of view, in every executive agency, which are not HIS; that is why he, wholy ignorant of foreign policy and established protocols, fired CAREER PROFESSIONALS at the top of the State Dept.: which Dept. exists to serve the country’s interests, not those of the temporary occupant of the White House.
That is why he focused on purging the EPA of the scientists who work on climate change, and had that part of the EPA’s duties removed from the EPA website, and ORDERED the EPA NOT to release ANYTHING to the public. In actual fact — not alternative ‘Fact” — We the people OWN that information, and have every right to have it. Even BUSINESS needs accurate facts — not politicized ideological alternative “facts” — in order to function in a stable environment and economy.
Gov’ts founded on “alternative facts” fail, because “alternative facts” do not comport with REALITY.
But, as it turns out, Yates did nothing more than what she said all along she would do way back at her confirmation hearing as deputy attorney general on March 24, 2015. And, in an interesting twist, she received on that occasion a word of caution from none other than Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), who informed her that a time might come when she would have to stand up to the executive branch. Sessions is now Trump’s nominee for attorney general.
SESSIONS: You have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things you just need to say “no” about. Do you think the Attorney General has the responsibility to say no to the President if he asks for something that’s improper? A lot of people have defended the [Loretta] Lynch nomination, for example, by saying, “Well [Obama] appoints somebody who’s going to execute his views. What’s wrong with that?” But if the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General say no?
YATES: Senator, I believe the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General has an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution, and to give their independent legal advice to the president.
Meanwhile, it’s pretty clear that Sessions is, for the Trump administration, exactly what he sneeringly criticized Lynch of being: an appointee with no independence from the president’s views.
Trump wanted to put the Saudi Terrorists on the list.
Obama wouldn’t let him.
Trump also wanted to do other intelligent things with the whole idea.
Obama was like “no way, you do this exactly precisely how I said you do it.”
“Her job is to defend the executive branches agenda.”
Wow. I didn’t know that was in the oath. (BTW, is that a Freudian slip that you made “Executive Branches” plural instead of possessive? Some extra branches going on in there Donny J? Heehee.) Regardless, I thought there was that Constitution thingy we were a little more sworn to uphold. And when courts put a stay on some/all of an executive order, that pretty much proves, unless appealed and overturned, that Yates had more than a legitimate point.
Translation: If the President signs an order that is illegal, even if it’s part of his “agenda” (that Bannon is putting on the desk in front of his clueless boss), nobody in the government is bound to follow it. I can see the day when military leaders will receive orders, laugh, and just go back to their office for coffee, because they know they’ll end up in jail for “following the agenda.”
The Attorney General is independent of the executive branch derp, they offer advice and comment if things the EB does feel off. Dissenting is literally their entire job. Now if a law is sound it is indeed their job to defend it, since that particular EO rag is not sound it is her fucking job to tell the President to either re-write the piece of shit or withdraw it.
This is literally Barack Obamas executive order with a minor tweak. In 2011 Obama banned all Iraqi refugees for six months. In 2015 Chuck Schumer said it may be necessary to halt the resettlement of Syrian refugees in the United States. Where were his crocodile tears then?
He’ll not get impeached. Stop ur whining seriously it’s lame.
@Ellen –
You said it!!! Especially:
“The tactic is designed to: 1. Other. 2. Erode empathy for the Other. 3. Create fear of the Other. 4. Engender hatred of the Other. The ban is AWFUL on its own. But it is only the foundation for a strategy of division that will lead to things worse than we have conjured. And it’s critical to view all of these things as part of that complex strategy.”
Why are people like you so intent on bringing the other here, especially that it is demonstrable that significant portion of the other want to do us harm?
@ronehjr
First – by calltiing them ‘other’ here, you’re saying you’re being controlled by fear and bigotry. Remember these are fellow human beings. There may be some bad guys (unfortunately there are some in EVERY “group”, but that does NOT justify tarring all with the same brush and treating folks in this manner with NO proof they’ve done anything wrong.
I believe it’s been pointed out somewhere we already have one of the strictest vetting procedures on the planet. These are, for the most part, folks fleeing horrific circumstances. Let’s NOT turn them away.
Your first sentence? Look Forward, Not Backward…Obama’s justification for not prosecuting torturers.
So you’d rather look backward and bash the person who is no longer President, and who put a stop to the torture regime, instead of looking at the present endorsement of the reinstitution of torture — the tool of tyrants — by Trump and his “posse”.
Are you one of those who insists that the attacks of 9/11/2001 occurred while Obama was President, even though his Presidency didn’t begin until 1/21/2009?
What part of *temporary ban* on ISIS hotspots in the ME don’t you understand? But I’m sure you do understand and due to cognitive dissonance, you prefer to shape the conversation around your partisan politics.
So which is it? Do you want the POTUS to protect the USA under his oath, or do you prefer the USA becomes victim (again and again and again) to Islamic terrorists, with their ultimate goal to take down the USA and kill as many Americans as they can?
Listening to the left like you, I am beginning to understand. Yes, you DO prefer that Americans might die due to heightened risks that were *already* spelled out by your Democratic President, Obama, and given an imprimatur by the Dept of Homeland Security. Notice that last word, “Security.”
Yep, we middle class “Neanderthals” really do care about country first, and Americans first, before we worry about the sensibilities of the Muslim people. That doesn’t make us ugly or hateful; it makes us wise and careful as we go forward into the next phase of worldwide terrorism. Protecting our own is the FIRST order of business, not the last.
The Dems will continue their downward spiral into irrelevance with this type of interpretation here. This is a deliberate distortion of the issue and what Trump is trying to do. Just the same/old politics, after all.
1) there is ALREADY a strong vetting system in place for refugees and immigrants. It is very hard, AS IT IS, to make it to the US. This does not accomplish anything but hurt people who seek refuge from violence and atrocities. Remember muslims are the biggest victims of Islam. As an atheist, I have no stake in this game at all, but I fully understand what is going on in that region and who the victims are. And Obama did not ban greencard holders, who are LEGAL residents of this country, from entering the nation. Leave your strawman and absurd equivalence at the door.
Secondly, no one has ever said that people be barred into the US based on RELIGIOUS REASONS. That is a slap to the founding principles of this nation that was founded by people fleeing, among other things, religious persecution.
2) the citizens of the countries on the list did NOT produce any terrorists to attack us in the past decade or more. Also fact, not opinion. But the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, which is not on the list becasue that fascist has personal business interests there. Dont you see the disconnect there? Speak of cognitive dissonance.
3) these refugee families have nothing. They are poor and homeless and they are refugees thanks to US policy in that region. They are not a threat to the US. If you wanna worry about a threat to the US, someone who is doing its citizens the most harm, look at Trump and his cabinet of horrors filled with racists, bigots, white supremacist and wholly indecent people who hate the government and the agencies they are put in charge of and who will destroy them. Or maybe you do enjoy getting sick from pollution or lack of regulatory oversight with respect to air, food and water.
4) shame on you for scapegoating a bunch of poor people for the shortcomings of this country. The real criminals are currently in charge destroying 240 years of Constitution. The charlatan does not want to follow court orders. What would you call it when someone does not adhere to the rule of law and refused to follow court order. A coup, right? And this is exactly what this amounts to.
5) this doesnt make us safer. Nothing he has done so far, with respect to ANYTHING, does. But it does make us bullies, heartless and pariahs in the eyes of the international community and it hurts americans here and abroad.
Donald Trump is a malignant narcissist lacking a conscience. He suffers from a pathological sense of grandiosity and quest for power, and takes a sadistic joy in cruelty. His surrogates and appointees, including his supporters, such as you, share many those very same traits with him. Make no mistake about it. You are just as much the disease plaguing this nation as Trump is.
Please Americans do stop complaining about the side effects of the disaster created by Bush and Cheney. Chasing side effects is nothing more than acquiescing to victimhood. Be epidemiololgical and protest the root problem, Bush and Cheney, and demand war crimes charges.
Otherwise the boat will keep on rocking.
To all the trolls who are so clueless, and also to everyone else, I hope you also see that the dangers are real.
You trolls fail to understand that the reason Ms. Yates was fired was tryng to preserve and observe the tenants of The Constitution. If you read Trevor Timm’s column, to which I linked downthread, you will see that what we are seeing here is a breakdown in THE RULE OF LAW. This is NOT just “Oh, we lost the election.” It is a recognization of a real menace to our democracy, our country, and the entire planet. And yes, those dangers may come to haunt YOU, although I pray we can escape the worst.
Here’s another link: maybe you trolls don’t value the First Amendment now, but what if the alt-right sites you all so love were threatened?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/30/twitter-troll-trump-josh-hadley-secret-service-press-freedom
no.
1. she was fired for not defending the position of the US Gov, right or wrong she is obligated to defend it.
2. the ban on entry is a 90 day delay period something to do with visas from countries we balomb, excl iran – which is actually a good policy under the bad circumstance that the war criminals Dumya and Cheney put us in
3. It is the prosecution of war crimes against Bus and Cheney that should be the efforts of protest, for God’s sake.
As counsel, her professional rules did require her to represent her client’s case. She also had a duty of candor under those rules to tell her client that in her professional analysis, it was hopeless. She probably had a duty of confidentiality to say so privately, but I’m guessing that Donald wasn’t going to hear someone with bad news, hence her public announcement.
Her oath is to the Constitution, not to the President. She is NOT to defend as legitimate that which is obviously UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Were the Trump gang COMPETENT, that Executive Order would have been evaluated by those competent in law, both in the White House and the DOJ. If it is unconstitutional, they are to say so; and it is not to be implemented as policy, Constitution be damned.
But Trump and his gang can’t be bothered with law and due process — after all, as a businessman, Trump never saw a law he would violate.
That’s why Trump whined about the paltry attendance at his inauguration, and attempted to claim a non-existing “mandate” by LYING that Clinton won the popular vote not because he is a known liar and morally repulsive degenerate, but because 3 to 5 million illegal aliens voted for Clinton.
For which LIE he hasn’t a shred of evidence — because it is a LIE. And for which LIE he has been criticized EVEN BY REPUBLICANS.
The underlying plan of the “investigation” of that LIE is to ONLY “investigate” in states Clinton won, and thereby rationalize INCREASING the suppression of votes in those states by those perceived as being voting Democratic.
Trump’s father was arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally “while enrobed”. Trump and his father were twice sued for racial discrimination in HUD-funded housing; he calls the loss a “victory” — there was “no admission of guilt,” despite the fact he had to pay the fines.
The first endorsements of Trump were from the racist American Nazi Party, the Ku Klux Klan, and Kluxer David Duke.
And he has nominated known racist and segregationist Sessions for AG because he will with alacrity implement the white supremacist agenda that motivates him, Trump, Bannon, and the other members of his gang.
Read the comment. I didn’t say “to the president.” She’s an attorney, happens to work for the department. If what he’s — her client — is doing is either unconstitutional or legally unworkable she needed to tell him, had an obligation to act according to the professional rules an attorney has. I’m guessing he wouldn’t hear her out, so she spoke out. Got it?
1. No, she is supposed to enforce the constitution. The last time an AG was fired for political reasons was the Nixon era. And he was impeached a year later.
2. None of the countries targeted have had terrorists attack us.
3. Agreed, but we are in crisis mode right here. That ship will have to sail another day. See here: https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.sk6nu1jhn
Nixon was never impeached. He resigned instead.
@barabbas –
Just can’t agree on this. As wiseoldsnail said, she swore an oath to uphold THE CONSTITUTION! Already the ACLU is challenging its constitutionality.
Now, coram is quite knowledgeable about the law, and so I suggest considering his comment very carefully.
War crimes and economic crimes by elites and former gov’t officials would be another matter. And yes, it would be nice to see some justice there. But in this case, the law, the disregard for the people involved, and possible flaunting the rule of law itself, all tell me this was a terrible, terrible eo.
The EO incensed his own Sec. of Defense, and his own head of Dept. of Homeland Security, who were left out of the process.
What the Trump gang DOESN’T want is to be checked in advance by that which they are above:
Constitution and rule of law.
The EO caused massive chaos, while Trump sat there lying that its implementation was “going nicely.” Well, maybe he wasn’t lying, as it certainly comported with his xenophobia and racism, and his love of causing unnecessary chaos.
@JNagarya
Hi – you’re observing pretty well there. Yes, he and his minions DO seem to want to be above the law. Scary. And I saw —- somewhere in some article clip, I believe, that is DOES indeed enjoy creating chaos. Deeper doo-doo
And didn’t that reprehensible Sipcer just say: “It’s not a Muslim ban. It’s not a travel ban,” Spicer told reporters in a heated, Orwellian exchange.” Those last two words tell it all!
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/01/31/spicer-travel-ban-not-travel-ban-even-if-trump-calls-it-travel-ban
Uh-huh.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/george-w-bush-michelle-obama-hugged-it-out-like-old-pals-reactions-w441954
and
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/14/hillary-clinton-hugging-george-w-bush-donald-trump
Please come back when you watch something other than MSNBC or read other than Mother Jones.
The Atty. General swears the oath to protect and defend the Constitution and laws — not to whoever is in the White House.
“A system of laws, and not of men.” — John Adams.
“Justice and the rule of law are to be ABOVE politics.” — John Adams.
Correction:
“Alt-Right”=Alt Reich.
@JNagarya –
Good one.
And I see above you were quoting my man, Mr. John Adams! So here’s another:
“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.” –
John Adams, 1772
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org
It is truly bizarre to read the dramatic hand-wringing over how the U.S. restricted immigration from 1924 to 1965, as if we don’t currently take in a staggering, unsustainable 1 MILLION in legal immigrants every single year — more than every other nation combined. This, in addition to the hundreds of thousands who cross our borders or overstay student and visitor visas unlawfully.
We are entering a period of unprecedented automation — via software and robots — of our unskilled workforce. American simply cannot sustain these kinds of numbers coming in while continuing to provide a decent standard of living and work opportunities for our citizens. In addition, the U.S. Senate has found that 92% of Mideast refugees to the U.S. go on food stamps for at least 10 years, and 68% on cash welfare. Clearly our strategy of endless war in the region, and bankrupting ourselves with those displaced here at home has been a disaster. The DoS and DHS under Obama has only accelerated this catastrophe. It’s time to END it for 4 or 8 years, or more, until we can see a clear way forward for all Americans.
J. Kipalev, Former DoS staffer of 37 years
https://www.impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org
SPAM!
There is no Constitutional right, no right whatsoever for an immigrant to be guaranteed entry into the United States. Period.
Why in hell is Dept. of Homeland Security travelling the world to bring more people to the US? How about if they just secure the homeland?
In a similar vein, the CIA should be only collecting information, not maintaining a paramilitary army, overthrowing foreign governments, and trying to affect politics in the US.
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, edited to clarify Trump’s end game:
“The president has a very clear vision,” he added. “If somebody has a problem with that agenda, then that does call into question whether they should remain [a citizen of the United States] or not.”
The stays that were issued by Obama’s federal court judges are now obsolete. All those detained have been released. Moving forward, the WH has made it clear that….”Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President’s executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place,”
This is nothing more than a continuation of the program started by Obama and the intelligence community, naming those 7 countries as needing enhanced vetting. Trump happened to agree with Obama. But unlike Obama, Trump doesn’t just talk about it. He has acted on it. It’s long overdue that we finally have a real leader in the WH again.
Next will be the State Dept handing out coloring books in safe spaces. The Neville Chamberlains are History Churchill has taken over .Its time for the Adults to manage the country again.
Yeah…but her emails…
…still show she was corrupt and at least as bad as Trump. Keep fantasizing that backing the one person on the planet who couldn’t beat Trump was the right thing to do.
Trump is an authoritarian ruler. There is no dissent, there are no other ideas. He will need to be deposed, or removed, luckily we have Section 4, 25th Amendment. It’s amazing how much havoc one single psychopath can create just by being himself.
Don’t like your job at State or DHS…. resign and find a new job.
As for your whining… get a dog who cares.
Such arrogance. This is policy, and guess what? You State Dept geniuses have had your way, with “govt to people diplomacy” and “soft power”, and all your plotting and scheming – and you’ve made a hash of it.
New policies now. Boo hoo, too bad. “Dissent channels” – now we know what is wrong with State…
Actually, what we now know is what’s wrong with you: you don’t have the tiniest clue what you’re talking about.
The Dissent Channel has been a formal feature at State, under every secretary and every administration, since the 70s. The Foreign Affairs Manual was revised, in 1971, to provide specifically for the right of Foreign Service officers to dissent and the ways and means to do so were subsequently codified.
The impetus for enshrining the right to dissent in the rules of he Department arose from the clusterfuck that was the War on Vietnam. Unless you truly know nothing about anything, you will probably be aware that bad and poorly-reasoned foreign policy was at the heart of that disaster.
So, please go away and learn something before you spew.
And, if you have contacts in Kamp Drumpf, advise them to do the dame.
Slow clap
Don’t confuse deplorables with facts. It hurts their brain.
Ahhh…another Dembot who apparently has never taken math…like how many voters one loses whilst labelling them “deplorables” or the other Limousine Liberal term, “trailer trash”.
Dems couldn’t beat their FAVORITE opponent!
Herr Trump cares nothing for keeping this country safe. Those that endorse his policies are the future brown shirters of Amerika. The lines are being drawn now. Be careful, history will not be kind to those who go along with our Orange Mussolini.
Don’t cry. Resist. Stamp those passports and send them through!
Q: Do all foreigners have an inalienable right to come into our country as they please?
The correct answer: probably not. Or… do they?
Clever troll. Collect reward?
Stupid Ed. Sit!
If it worked that way it would be real simple wouldn’t it.
The left has gone absolutely batsh– crazy over a very modest immigration restriction.
The level of hysteria is faux and incomprehensible. The public is watching this display and it will not play well.
This is not some nazi gas chamber directive. FDR literally sent thousands of Japanese CITIZENS to internment camps for no other reason than their nationality.
Trump has TEMPORARILY denied entry to people coming from isis hotbeds.
You may think it bad policy – but entirely constitutional and well within executive authority.
The left is flirting dangerously close to rebellion. An action which would give Trump UNLIMITED power (see: Lincoln, habeas corpus).
I suggest those on the left take a deep breath and calm down.
Yes, a “modest restriction” that five federal courts have already issued emergency stays or temporary restraining orders against.
It’s not hysteria, it’s absolutely real and entirely comprehensible to everyone who knows even a little bit about our Constitution, our legal system, our history and the imaginary nature of the threat that the Short-Fingered Vulgarian and his merry band of latter-day fascistas are using to play on the fantasy fears of the hateful cowards who support this evil nonsense.
Tell it to the judges. So far, none of them agree.
Ooh, threats from a junior fascista. Bring it. Watch what happens.
They used to be processed through Ellis Island. Progressives were probably shitting their pants.
Doug,
The heartland is (well) armed. The coasts – not so much.
Are you putting faith in mexican drug cartels to stand up to the us military? I’m trying to ponder what resistance you think would be successful.
I would not like to see brother on brother warfare. But open rebellion would be put down quickly.
You can thank Obama for the NSA…
Yes you would. You dream of it.
News bulletin: there are many more of us than you. Just because you have a mental disorder doesn’t make you strong, it’s merely another delusion
Well… the reaction is pretty hysterical.
I wish Trump’s order was much broader, to includes despoties such as Saudi, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and the disgusting apartheid-practicing territory, the entity that self-affectionately calls itself ‘the Jewish state’.
I happen to disagree with us giving preference and allowing more Christians as refugees. They need to be encouraged to stay there and keep their countries ‘diverse’ rather than all run in panic – because of the hysteria – and leave those places as near 100% Muslim – not diverse – countries.
Apartheid??? Where are the separate bath rooms & water fountains?
Why are there Arabs in the Israeli Parliament & on the Israeli Supreme Court?
“Tell it to the judges. So far, none of them agree.”
Four Federal judges have so far held against it. Fact, not “alternative fact”/lie.
And a long list of state Attys. General — including REPUBLICAN — are going to court to block the Executive Order, which included hoodwinking Green Card holders into surrendering their Green Cards.
The Muslims being banned happen to be university professors, doctors, scientists, college students. And at least one Iraqi who worked as a translator for the US military in Iraq.
As for your “Lincoln, habeas corpus”: Congress took the matter to the SC, which held against Lincoln; that suspension of habeas corpus cannot be done without the consent of Congress.
Roy…totally agree. But they are hysterical for one reason only. They lost the election. Trump made promises to the American people and he is carrying them out. If there were a ban on Muslims, he would have said that, all Muslims, not just the jihadist countries listed by the DHS. There are over 50 Muslim countries. He is trying to protect US Citizens from jihadists who can infiltrate refugees…and this is confirmed by the DHS.
The hysteria is over the top scary. Beating people up for wearing a Trump hat or shirt. Breaking the glass in cars (Larry King’s car was trashed by the left), obscenities flying everywhere. Hollywood, those holier than thou morons who live in mega mansions and think they know better than the working middle class in this country… such a pile of manure.
I believe there will be more violence because they believe their pov is superior to others. This strain of deep-seated elitism runs strong in the Democrats and has changed their course. If they had real ‘tolerance’ they would have listened to the middle class rather than thumb their noses at them and mock them mercilessly.
I think the left is going to harass Trump for the four years. Their hate is overwhelming any sense of seriousness or understanding, a bad omen for them electorally. I pray that Trump does not get hurt. I say this because the screaming from the left is out of control and the leftist media is feeding the hate.
You mean promises to the 30% of the eligible US voting population that voted for him, rather than the 70% that didn’t?
Or did you mean promises to the nearly 66 million eligible voters who voted for Hillary Clinton rather than Trump’s nearly 63 million?
Because either way if you believe Trump has any sort of “mandate” from the “American people” rather than just a 1/3 of it, you don’t know how to do simple math. Which of course would not surprise me coming from a Trump supporter.
You are aware you don’t speak for the “middle class” of America, and that the “middle class” is composed of just as many Democratic party members as GOP members.
Yep, just like the right harassed former Pres. Obama for 8. Turnabout is fair play.
Just like the hate people like Trump, Bannon and their supporters have for Muslims, LGBT members, liberals/progressives, African Americans, Latino Americans, immigrants and just about anybody and everybody that doesn’t meet their little rigid hyper nationalist revanchist Christian viewpoint of what constitutes a “good American”.
Demographics say if it gets ugly, there are a lot more human beings and liberals in the big urban enclaves on the coasts, than anything that can be mustered in the “heartland”.
So I say bring it, or sit back and watch while we tear down the human shit stain you elected as President exactly like you tried to bring down Pres. Obama.
You wanted political trench warfare against your fellow citizens, now you’re going to get exactly what you gave.
Nothing compared to the murders being committed from Dylan Roof to Timothy McVeigh on the right, due to the ridiculously hysteria about liberals, media, and anybody in America that doesn’t fit your revanchist worldview.
Like I said, you wanted a delegitimized American government any time liberals held the reins, and your going to get the exact same in return with Trump.
heard, you’re so full of shit. Show where Trump hates LGBT.
except the real jihadist countries are Saudi and the United Emirates, which are not on Trump’s hitlist, because he has business dealings there.
The stupidity of your comments is breathtaking. “Deep-seated elitism” etc., all Breitbart talking points to cover up what is essentially an anti-Semitic, racist, misogynist agenda. There have been and are zero terrorist acts by refugees or immigrants from the 7 countries. Guiliani has admitted that Trump asked him how to ban Muslims without saying so explicitly. There are hundreds of people who are legal, working, lawful, contributing residents of the USA who can;t return to their homes, families and jobs. And even this whole stupid act is only to keep everyone focused on the fascist takeover while Trump and his pals rob the country blind and try to keep the responsible, truth-seeking press from knowing about it. Get real.
And as we know so well in San Bernadino. Just because you are a woman and have a child does not mean you cannot be a terrorist. Let them cry we need to protect our country and if you really respect American values it should not be a proble
Maybe some of us have skied on steep boilerplate and know a slippery slope when we see one. There of course is no justification for this particular grouping of countries while neglecting S.A. and Pakistan, except for some odd bedfellows. Vetting is already in place.
Meanwhile it is counterproductive in the extreme and already shows signs of damaging science in this country. Yea, move along nothing to see here.
THANK YOU ROY! I agree. People should research 1924 Coolidge immigration law. There are some presidents who take Americans first. It’s not permanent we are just taking care of problems that need to be addressed in order to protect all people.
The Left? I don’t think John McCain & Lindsey Graham are left wing. They said this: “That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”
http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=587F2A2D-8A47-48F7-9045-CF30F0A77889
But Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, Jordan and UAE are not on the list.
And I understand you have excuses for that.
But, it proves that the claims of being about safety are just a farce.
Iran for example, is ISIS’s enemy – Iran is not an ISIS hotbed at all.
Iran is not only ISIS’s enemy – but also Al Qaida’s enemy – even when Al Qaida changes their name.
I understand, your excuses are well in order: Obama drew up the list for a different purpose and Trump is instituting it for another purpose and therefore Trump is not allowed to change the list at all.
They don’t like it? Too bad then quit. There is a new sheriff in town and if you can’t get with the program then leave town.
What do you expect with a White Supremacist in the Oval Office??? Putin helped put him there to screw the US over royally.
Drumpf never realized that running America might be a bit more difficult than running a casino into the ground?
Well those crying employees in DHS and the State Department are free to write their own resignation letters, but I suspect they like feeding on the government teat too much to do that.
Once again the leftist are having an organized hissy fit. The issue isn’t what they care about. It’s just the latest issue they can exploit to move the ball down the field. If this were their true conviction they would have protested BHO’s 6 month ban on Iraqi’s.
The president just fired Sally Yates. I’m glad we have a president who does something other than play golf all day.
Yeah, firing the only Senate-confirmed officer at DOJ, the only one who can, for instance, sign requests for FISA court warrants, is certainly not playing golf.
I would be glad if he quit his reign of hate and stuck with the golf.
Trump told the American people that he would strengthen the borders, keep jihadists from our shores, and drum up jobs for the American people…you know those “Deplorables” across America, the ones the Democrats gave a big Bronx cheer to.
If that means he is careful to not let terrorists kill more Americans on our soil….. I’m for it. The slow creep of Globalism is destroying our sovreignty, and the American voter spoke loud and clear. If the Dems don’t like this direction, they have 4 years to figure out how they are going to get the middle class vote back. But I’m not holding my breath.
The countries being banned haven’t supplied any terrorists responsible for acts on American soil. The countries that have supplied terrorists responsible for acts on American soil aren’t on the banned list. So Trump is either an idiot or he’s an idiot.
The 7 countries are listed as jihadist hotspots by the DHL. If he is an idiot for following this directive, then add Obama to that because he did the same thing with the Iraqis two times, for six months.
And that’s just a straight up lie.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.a557d4f48922
Go ahead and draw false equivalencies if it makes you feel better. You are misinformed by choice.
I don’t give a rat’s ass what Obama did, he’s not the president anymore. The whole middle east is a jihadist hotspot and to signal out those 7 countries while not including the ones responsible for 9/11 proves the worthlessness of the DHL. I’ll stand by my statement. Trump is an idiot.
So I guess Obama and the Congress are idiots too. They were the ones who picked the seven countries originally to make bans on. Obama implemented it for six months and 2011 and you call trump an idiot. How come you weren’t screaming out when Obama did it.
Where and when did I defend Obama or congress? I’ve been screaming about Obama for 8 years. Of course to all the blind Trump supporters anybody saying any truths about the Donald must have endorsed Obama’s war crimes. So I’ll say it again. Trump is an idiot.
“Extreme vetting” was already in place. Trump is full of it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/01/25/syrian-refugees-trump-extreme-vetting-column/97043442/
And other than 9-11, on the GOP’s watch incidentally in case you forgot, how many “jihadists” have actually killed an American on American soil because Democrats failed to prevent them from coming in?
In fact the very few murders that have been committed by any Muslims in America, and none from the 7 countries on the current ban list, have been committed by US citizens born or raised here. Not refugees, asylum seeks, or recent immigrants.
Never mind about facts. Trumpsters don’t deal in facts.
I agree!
And he also promised to bring the jobs back to America — those which were off-shored by Republicans in keeping with Republican policies.
But Trump’s history is of doing the opposite of what he says — as example, for 20 years he bashed others for not paying their taxes, while he was paying ZERO taxes. So it isn’t likely that the manufacturing jobs brought back will include those in Bangladesh, Mexico, India, etc., which manufacture Trump and Ivanka’s clothing lines.
What explains the psychology of Trump supporters who LOVE to embrace the insult of being directly lie to, in their faces, by Trump? What sort of mental illness DEMANDS being lied to?
And Loretta Lynch and her cohorts at the Justice Dept should be charged with crimes. She single-handedly allowed HRC to get away with using classified info for her own selfish financial desires. She knew, she ignored, she allowed. She is a national disgrace, putting politics over justice.
She needs to join HRC and her buddies in crime; she has already tarnished her reputation by playing partisan politics with Justice.
Yeah, THAT is what’s really important here…
Important? You bet. A presidential candidate who allowed her staff, her maid and her hired team of computer ‘experts’ total access to *classified information* that could have, may have, compromised national security for this country.
Yeah….it’s important.
I assume that you are looking for charges to be leveled at Trump and his staff for using a private server as well…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKeDcF1v_Y4&feature=youtu.be&t=6
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/14/obamas-cruel-policy-reversal-on-cuban-refugees/?utm_term=.fdb3afc418e2
SALLY YATES ?
Yeah, this one watches tv all day, and is a serial tweeter at night.
Every unfortunate deviation in history gets its own sobriquet. These terms serve historians as short hand for recalling interesting times. The mere mention of such a period pulls a thick file to the top of one’s mind. For instance China had its Great Leap Forward and then The Red Guards. The Middle Ages: the Black Death. Russia under Gorbachev: Perestroika. Closer to home: Jim Crow, The Red Scare, The Saturday Night Massacre (of which we may just have seen an encore). It’s a bit early for this, but will 2017 mark the beginning of a another period deserving its own special name? Something with the color orange, no?
Clintonemail.com website has free accommodations for all those applying. Just go look. Clintonfoundation does too–2 roads instead of one: “i see all of America” words in action!! Not your typical dem here!
Obama blocked Iraqis for 6 mos. without a peep from the Soros funded left.
Biden denounced Vietnamese boat people.
Communete, You may want to go back and actually look at Obama’s action. Did he block them or merely slow down the process while enhancing it? To claim that Obama did it too is I believe inaccurate and merely a way to try and deflect blame. Can’t speak to Biden and Vietnamese boat people other than to point out denouncing someone is very different than disrupting their lives and weakening our security in the process.
Don’t for the Cubans…Obama stuck a fork in them, too.
No he didn’t. That is a bald faced lie, stated by the Trump administration, and credulously repeated by people who are too lazy to look into it or just don’t give a shit what the truth is.
YES, he did. He also issued an order rescinding wet-foot, dry-foot for the Cubans. Anybody in transit, by boat, foot or plane was turned back when they got here. It was the right thing to do. But I noticed there was no protesting, no crying politicians, no outraged actors, no constant drumming from the press, no ACLU lawsuits.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/14/obamas-cruel-policy-reversal-on-cuban-refugees/?utm_term=.fdb3afc418e2
The Saturday Night Massacre has been updated to the Monday Night Massacre.
Wow. ..scary stuff
@Uncle Bob –
Scary and even scarier —- the nut job just fired the acting AG who stood against the ban.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/30/justice-department-trump-immigration-acting-attorney-general-sally-yates
Wow..so Oboy Oboy O’Bannon , besides being a member of the NSC is also now in charge of the Justice Dept?
Last week, most of the ranking management of the State Dept. Was told to leave..This week, they’re gutting the justice Dept..
The militias, sovereign citizens movement are waiting for the signal
I have been voting all my adult life, it doesn’t seem to do any good. we vote for characters, not agendas or decisions, Its not looking positive.
Have you bothered to vote outside of the so-called “two-party system” at any point?
Were not Clinton supporters content, when Clinton “won” the primary?
Were not Trump supporters content, when Trump beat Clinton?
Were not the Superdelegates like “oh yeah this voting stuff works for me”!
I hate to say it, but Spicer is correct on this one. The dissent channel is indeed for State Department employees to object to policy–but NOT for that dissent to become public. Just as with the officers who dissented on Kerry’s policy (they were in FAVOR of sending in ground troops, BTW), making that dissent public is an attempt to undermine the president and the SecState.
If these officers feel this strongly, they have a duty to resign in protest–as several did in the the run up to the Iraq War. Otherwise, their duty is to keep their mouths shut and execute the president’s policy.
Trump’s immigration ban is in the process of being legally challenged in its entirety. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 bans discrimination against immigrants on the basis of country of origin. While there is a security provision in the The Immigration Act and Nationality Act of 1952 that enables restriction of immigration on the basis of security concerns, foreign nationals from the banned Muslim countries have never been responsible for any terrorists attacks, with the possible exception of Somalia. The 911 terrorists came primarily from Saudi Arabia and, to a much lesser extent, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, and Lebanon. None of these countries are on the list of banned Muslim countries. Most of the money that supports ISIS and other terrorist groups originate from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Oil states, and yet the U.S. continues to ship military weapons to these countries.
There are also constitutional issues involving discrimination on the basis of religion, violation of due process of law, etc. that will be raised in the legal challenges of Trump’s immigration ban. Several Federal judges have already ruled against it. Thus, the directives related to the immigration ban that are currently circulating within the State Dept. and the Dept. of Homeland Security may not be legal.
@ulta –
But there is still lots of chaos, confusion, and possible wrongdoing by DHS and all.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/muslim-ban-consitutional-crisis
The question of whether or not this ban is based on security concerns (it is), and whether Drumpf is right about these particular nations being the only scary ones (he isn’t) are separate issues. A court cannot rule that Trump is wrong about Yemen, it can only rule whether or not “Holy shit! ISIS!” is legitimate grounds for banning immigrants from there.
To all –
The news now is so bad; stuff such as this just continues to break my heart. I found this and it really say a lot of what I – and I hope many others – feel.
http://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/01/28/dear-world-from-america/
But no sympathy for the innocent Americans killed or injured by illegal immigrants who should have never been here in the first place.
Not in this article..you are correct. The subject of this article is about something else. Please google “sympathy for innocent Americans killed or injured by illegal immigrants “. Your empathy for dead innocent Americans and their families is well taken..but this forum is not about that..
Name them.
@john lynn
Having sympathy for some fellow humans doesn’t preclude having sympathy for others. Remember these are fellow human beings, often fleeing terrible circumstances. Treating them as criminals is NOT going to solve the problem.
And also as I noted upthread, we probably already had the strictest vetting. So open your eyes, your heart, and also start to think a bit more critically.