In naming Colorado-based appellate Judge Neil Gorsuch as his candidate to fill the late Justice Antonin Scalia’s seat on the U.S. Supreme Court, President Donald Trump said Tuesday night that he’d promised to nominate “the very best judge in the country,” someone who “respects laws” and “loves our Constitution.”
Yet Trump has also said he would appoint someone to the high court who would be willing to overturn the court’s 44-year-old landmark ruling that legalized abortion, saying during a debate that “will happen automatically in my opinion because I’m putting pro-life justices on the Court.”
In the wake of the nomination, Marcia Greenberger, co-founder of the National Women’s Law Center, did not mince words. “The nation is fast learning that to ignore even the most extreme of President Trump’s promises comes at our peril. So we take seriously his promise to nominate a justice who will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade; he told us to count on it, and we do,” she said. “On behalf of the women in this country, we take the president at his word, we will make no mistakes: The National Women’s Law Center opposes the nomination of Judge Neil Gorsuch.”
Gorsuch, who serves on the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, is seen as a reliably conservative jurist, and he has had occasion to weigh in on issues involving women’s reproductive rights — notably siding with religious groups who opposed the Affordable Care Act’s contraceptive mandate. “All of us face the problem of complicity. All of us must answer for ourselves whether and to what degree we are willing to be involved in the wrongdoing of others,” Gorsuch wrote in a concurring opinion in the case Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores. The “ACA’s mandate requires [the plaintiffs] to violate their religious faith by forcing them to lend an impermissible degree of assistance to conduct their religion teaches to be gravely wrong. No one before us disputes that the mandate compels [them] to underwrite payments for drugs or devices that can have the effect of destroying a fertilized human egg.”
More recently, Gorsuch disagreed with his colleagues’ decision to block Utah Governor Gary Herbert’s attempt to defund Planned Parenthood. Herbert’s actions were prompted by the release of video collected surreptitiously by anti-abortion activists that they claimed revealed Planned Parenthood officials engaging in the sale of aborted fetal tissue. (Similar attempts by officials in other states have also been blocked by the courts.)
Although he hasn’t written directly about abortion, Gorsuch has condemned assisted suicide and euthanasia in terms that could make defenders of reproductive rights wary: “All human beings are intrinsically valuable and the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong,” he wrote.
Gorsuch’s record leaves open an important question for women: Would he uphold more than four-decades of precedent or would he vote to overturn Roe? And even if he would, does that mean he’ll have the chance to do so?
On January 22, 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court announced its decision in Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion. “Roe’s basic holding is that states cannot criminalize abortion. That’s the basic holding. And so the fact that you can’t criminalize it means, necessarily, that you have a right to do it,” said Carol Sanger, a professor at Columbia Law School. “So, you have the right to choose; you can’t have that choice taken away from you.”
The high court has made some significant tweaks to Roe in the intervening years, but it has consistently held that although the word “abortion” isn’t in the country’s founding document, the right of women to seek abortion care is nonetheless protected by the Constitution under the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th Amendment.
Now, however, with the rise of Trump and his nominee Gorsuch, the very future of abortion rights could be in jeopardy — though exactly how and when remains unclear.
Experts fluent in reproductive rights law have expressed a variety of worries and doubts about whether and to what extend a woman’s right to define her reproductive fate may be emaciated by the Trump administration and its judicial legacy.
In order to understand the possible threat to Roe, it is important to understand two additional, significant abortion cases, including the Supreme Court’s 1992 ruling in a case styled Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey. It was the first substantive challenge to the right to abortion since Roe was decided.
By conventional wisdom, at the time the court’s make up could have made an overturning of Roe possible, and that’s what the litigators seeking to uphold a handful of Pennsylvania restrictions on abortion access (including one that would require a married woman to notify her husband of her intent to abort) were after. The court did not bite.
The court anchored its plurality opinion on precedence: “Liberty finds no refuge in a jurisprudence of doubt.” Indeed, the right to abortion was nearly two decades old at that time and more than a generation of women had come to understand that they held the right to abortion of an unwanted pregnancy.
Still the court did away with certain aspects of Roe. Specifically, the court said that states could regulate abortion – even in its earliest stages – to further an interest in “potential life” and under the idea that such regulations were intended to increase health and safety. Importantly, this ruling gave states the ability to ban abortion after the point of viability – generally understood to be at about 24 weeks. The court also concluded that regulation of earlier term abortions would be fine so long as it did not unduly burden a woman seeking access.
Casey unleashed a wave of regulations on abortion that continue to this day – from pre-procedure counseling, to waiting periods, to mandatory ultrasounds, and even arbitrary bans on abortion at a given number of weeks. Since 2011, the Center for Reproductive Rights has tracked 2,100 bills seeking to restrict access and more than 300 of those have become law, without much pushback from the courts.
That is at least until June 2016, when the Supreme Court issued another notable abortion-related ruling in the Texas case Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt. In that case, the court again upheld the right to abortion while simultaneously pushing back on the proliferation of restrictions under Casey, ruling that restrictions were fine, but only if states could bring actual facts to back up their stated need for them. In Whole Woman’s Health the state of Texas could not do that and the restrictions were shot down.
It is precisely because of this history that some legal experts believe Roe is safe. “As we just saw, just recently, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the core principles of Roe and Casey and that’s by a five-justice majority that is still there on the court,” said Zoe Levine, a staff attorney with the CRR. “And not only would anything interfering with that fundamental abortion right fly in the face of recent decisions, but it’s built on 40-plus years of precedent, so you know, to have the court suddenly change course on something so essential would really be a shocking development.”
Sanger agrees that the concept of precedent is among the reasons not to fear the impending demise of Roe. “You don’t overturn precedent just because you have different political views,” she said. “That’s kind of the basis of stare decisis” – the legal principle that the court should abide by its decided cases – “we want people to know what they legally can and can’t do with some security – and not just know what they can do, but also to plan their lives.”
In more immediate jeopardy, suggests Sanger, is the ruling in Whole Woman’s Health, which could more easily be attacked by degrees, with the court variously deciding that individual states have proven their restrictions are on solid footing. “There is immediate damage, damage that can be done well before any so-called overturning of Roe.”
David Cohen, a law professor at Drexel University, agrees that there are perhaps more immediate threats to reproductive rights – the global gag rule signed by Trump last week, for example, and the continuing proliferation of restrictions passed in the states – but he also believes “the threat to Roe is a serious one right now.”
And he doesn’t think that fidelity to precedent would mean anything to a determined court. “With enough justices who believe that precedent doesn’t matter Roe could be overturned if the right case is before them,” he said. He notes that the court’s history is littered with reversals of course – “and a lot of advancement in this country has come because they’ve gotten rid of horrible precedent,” he said. “So they’re not constrained in that regard in any meaningful way when they feel that they need to act.”
Consider the landmark Brown v. Board of Education for example, which found segregated schools unconstitutional, overturning the nearly 60-year-old decision in Plessy v. Ferguson, which concluded that racial segregation in accommodations did not violate equal protection. Or take the court’s decision in Gideon v. Wainwright, which reversed a 21-year-old ruling that denied the appointment of counsel to indigent criminal defendants.
“So we like it when they disregard bad precedent,” he said. “If they think Roe is one of those bad precedents that needs to be disregarded they’re going to do it.”
That is unlikely to happen in the immediate future, with just one Trump-appointed judge. Currently there is a five-justice majority upholding Roe, notably including Justice Anthony Kennedy, for whom Gorsuch worked as a clerk. That relationship has given rise to some speculation that Gorsuch was nominated in part to assuage concerns that the 80-year-old Kennedy might have about the kind of judges Trump would nominate and thus might prod him to retire at the end of the current term, which ends in June.
If that were to happen – or if either of the two reliably liberal, and aging Justices Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 78 and 83 respectively, were to leave before Trump does – the court could be squarely in position to overturn Roe, a move that could deny reproductive autonomy for generations of women to come.
Trump has so far been dismissive about exactly what this would mean, brushing off the impact by saying that the regulation of abortion would simply revert to the states. And, in fact, if Roe were overturned it would return to the individual states the power to criminalize women seeking abortion and the doctors who provide that care. And there is ample evidence to suggest this would happen.
According to a report released in January by the CRR, access to abortion would be in grave jeopardy in at least 22 states, which would be poised to “ban abortion outright.” Access would be “at risk of loss” in additional 12 states; in just 17 states the “right to abortion appears secure” if Roe were to fall.
Practically speaking, the result would be that women of means would still be able to access abortion by traveling across state lines, while the poorest and most vulnerable would be effectively shut out, facing what amounts to state-compelled motherhood.
“The specter of the fall of Roe is horrifying,” said Elizabeth Barnes, president of The Women’s Centers, which operates abortion clinics in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New Jersey. Without constitutional protection the right to access would be “heavily dependent on income and zip code.”
Top photo: President Donald Trump shakes hands with 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Neil Gorsuch, his choice for Supreme Court associate justice in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 31, 2017.
If you are so bent on destroying women’s rights, why not just bring in the military and wipe out any female that is of child bearing age or younger. At least we don’t wait until they are 18 to let the government brainwash them into becoming terrorist and then when they get snuffed, it is just collateral damage. Why bother to raise these foolish kids that are to stupid to know they are being DUMBED down instead of educated by a corrupt group of THIEVES that wants them to go around the world and be their puppet terrorists. Not even two weeks into the job and the USA SUCKS BIG TIME! FASCIST country thanks to TRUMP and his merry band of RICH THIEVES! F**K the little people of the USA. We don’t care about you peons, just give us your money and STFU! I have no government. The USA is a RENEGADE SOCIETY!
Abortion is already close to illegal in the anti-abortion states, and women already have to trek long distances. Nor is the case for abortion really so unassailable. More to the point, I think that a syllogism that a) any Trump appointee will be anti-abortion and b) any anti-abortion nominee must be filibustered does not lead to c) Trump meekly nominating Merrick Garland. At absolute best he might repeat the gross stupidity of the Democrats and be content to finish out his term without a nominee. But with the “nuclear option” already under discussion, I don’t think that’s his answer.
We need to take a step back and count our lucky stars. At least Trump nominated a JUDGE!. I was seriously afraid he was going to pull out a Breitbart columnist or a movie heiress whose main claim to fame was “wanting to clean up all that nasty stuff on the internet”, rather than say a law degree. Well… if he gets his nuclear option, who says he won’t??? He can pull his nomination off the table, ram through a horrid ideologue with 50.1% of the vote, and then the magic happens.
The magic is that Democrats will, to a man, turn round and blame their idiot Senators for trying to filibuster the nomination and saddling the country with this humiliating constitutional crisis! They may even vote Republican in protest!
The modern Democratic Party doesn’t seem interested in anything but a cause it can’t conceivably win (like overturning Citizens United by constitutional amendment!) so I know this is terribly hard for them to pass up, but they have to.
“We need to take a step back and count our lucky stars. At least Trump nominated a JUDGE!. ”
This is so utterly unacceptable. Less than two weeks into the presidency and we have to count ourselves lucky because he is not doing worse things. I flatly refuse to accept this and will refuse for 8 years, if necessary. We deserve better. Much better.
I agree the Democrats will have to find a way to deal with the appointing of a Trump nominee, but maybe they can put pressure on Trump -for once- to do better.
a) What pressure do they have? No House, no Senate, no President, and if push comes to shove, no filibuster.
b) What do you think they’re going to get? Is there a better candidate Trump is going to come up with?
and what did the democrats do with control of the executive office and both houses of congress again? did we close guantanamo? get single payer through? prosecute war criminals and financial criminals? push to control climate change instead of going for voluntary pablum like kyoto? both parties are the problem.
“We need to take a step back and count our lucky stars.”
spoken like a true Democrat. the Republicans have been moving the goal posts, shifting the spectrum ever rightward for a coupla generations now and the “centrists” dutifully move right along with them, expecting to overwhelm everyone with the assertion that the truth always lies right in the middle.
thank you, centrists, for keeping us on the One True Path of constantly shifting values and bending over – just … this … one … last … time….
nobody give a crap about the arbitrary positions staked out by the ridiculous Party system. a pox on both your houses.
“Republicans have been moving the goal posts, shifting the spectrum ever rightward for a coupla generations now and the “centrists” dutifully move right along with them, expecting to overwhelm everyone with the assertion that the truth always lies right in the middle.”
This. All. Day. Long.
LOL, this is pretty much the exact definition of a circular firing squad. I find it hard to blame the Democrats for the “rightward” shift of Congress, when there’s two basic facts that exist outside ideology: the US government is structured to retard change with a body of Congress directly modeled after the House of Lords, and the depressing reality that voter turnout drops by a third, below 50%, in the half of elections that don’t involve the president. It would be one thing if the drop in turnout in mid-term elections was even across all demographics, but the multiplying factor in our dismal mid-term turnout is that young people vote less in those elections, allowing an older, whiter, more conservative electorate to pick a full half of congressional seats. The fact is, your reflexive blaming of those dang congressional sell-outs does more to discourage people from voting than it does to affect any sort of change.
And don’t even start with some circular reasoning about “the base” and how they need congress to do radical stuff in order to encourage people to vote for members to do more radical stuff, the trend of mid-term election voter drop-off is long, far longer than any chicken-egg excuses you can come up with.
With respect to the Supreme Court, Senate Democrats should do any and everything to make that body reckon with the unprecedented manner in which it stole the Merrick Garland nomination, including making Republicans invoke the Nuclear Option. IMHO, the Senate is in of itself part of the problem (modeled as it is after the House of Lords, which Britain had the sense to neuter a hundred years ago with the Parliament Act), so I don’t give much of a fig about preserving decorum in a rotten house for land-holders. The only ethical act for any member of the Senate is to propose a constitutional amendment limiting the powers of the Senate and removing their numbers from the electoral college votes granted to each state. How’s that for radical ideology, fellow edge-lords?
the blame wasn’t placed exclusively at the feet of Democrats for the ever-rightward trajectory. you’re making that up, by way of ignoring the meaning of the statements you impugn. the process, in broad terms, is a result of the supremacy of electioneering, gamesmanship and the pursuit of power vs legitimate representation.
there is a symbiotic exchange between the Parties that belies the old saw about the adversarial nature of their relationship. the system is stable because it’s a closed loop: each Party leads inevitably back to the other. surprisingly, this works every single time, making it difficult to avoid the conclusion that each Party insures the existence of the other, that they need each other.
but hey, if we only vote hard enough they’re bound to see that we really mean it.
If we vote, full stop. That’s a pretty big if, considering the track record of mid-term election drop-off is pretty much consistent throughout the history of the US.
http://www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101
This obvious structural problem, combined with the bias in how the Senate is apportioned on the basis of territory, not population, explains why progress is slow and fitful here in the US. It’s not a bargain between “parties”, the problem has existed longer than either party, and only conscious, sustained effort will ever be able to overcome it.
the democrats shifting ever rightward is also an obvious problem which you don’t recognize. that’s been going on for 40 years or so.
Over the past 40 years, from Carter to the present, there have been 8 years where there is both a Democratic president and Democratic control of Congress. In the past 20 years, there have been only 2 years where there is both a Democratic president and Democratic control of Congress.
http://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-and-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/
The rightward tilt you feel is real, but Democrats have less to do with that than Republicans consistently holding at least one house of Congress. We aren’t a parliamentary democracy, just because Democrats have had more wins in the Presidency over the past 20 years, it doesn’t mean they have been able to push a whole lot of legislation through during that time. None of this is great, but self-congratulatory ideological brinkmanship isn’t a solution, figuring out how to get the two out of five eligible voters into the voting booth, figuring out how to get the one in three that voted for the president to stick around for mid-terms, those are solutions.
bargain? who said anything about a bargain? mutual benefit and dependence beats a bargain any day. they don’t have to consult each other to realize they want to preserve control of the political system. you know, that “status quo” thing they get paid for maintaining.
inherent in the assertion that voting is an essential component of democratic representation is, uh . . . you know, actual representation.
I came in here half expecting to see a bunch of people regurgitating Zero Hedge talking points about how this is really the fault of Bill Clinton-something-something-Overton Window, but it turns out that safe access to health care for half of Americans isn’t even on the moral radar for many readers of The Intercept.
which the right wing democrats haven’t give us anyway, please don’t bring up the heritage foundation plan as evidence that we do. that’s about access to health insurance, and is a giveaway to big insurance and big pharma. typical for the right wing democrats.
Referencing an article I read recently, the reality is that you cannot ban abortion, you can only ban safe abortion. We are far enough removed from the realities of the pre-Roe country that we talk today about women’s rights, we forget about the women who lost their lives out of desperation.
A good point. Indeed, in the pre-Roe years it is estimated that some 5k women died per year from abortions. Now it is among the safest of medical procedures.
aww only 5k ?? how about over 50 millions unborn lives that were lost to PP and affiliates?
Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean morally right thing to do
Slavery was legal at one point in time doesn’t mean morally right.
people say say how about rape cases, how many of those are rape cases please tell me.
If we say unborn doesn’t have right because they need to depend on their mothers, how about those who are on hospital bed, brain dead, old, young kids that depends on someone to take care of them.
Have you guys even see aborted babies parts or how the procedure goes?
If we can justify killing of innocent unborn then we can justify all sorts of other things in the world.
We should also not forget that the “pre-Roe” years are still the norm in many regions of the world. And Trump has just signed an EO to keep this status quo.
Yes, and will likely negate serious advancements toward equality for women around the globe.
Did anyone watch the announcement?
Trump shakes Gorsuch’s hand as Gorsuch heads for the podium.
Then Trump makes a move towards the guy’s wife and Gorsuch turns around to see what’s going on.
What does Gorsuch know that … oh, right, … everybody knows it already.
Don’t turn your back when Trump has an opportunity to grope your wife.
You and I had the exact same thought. No way was he gonna let Trump molest his wife, even if it might cost him the appointment.
There does not seem to be enuf info on this guy. He as condemned assisted suicide. That’s it?
I have a question. WHEN the supreme court makes a ruling on a law, is that ruling a precendent for subsequent rulings of is it just the current interpretation until the court changes and someone brings the very same situation to test?
I don’t agree with his conclusions, but Gorsuch is clearly a man who thinks things through. Considering Trump wasn’t about to put a Democrat in place, I’d say this is the best we could have hoped for.
Agreed. It is also true that unlike our current President, many Supreme Court justices have grown into their roles. The best example of that I can think of is Hugo Black, who went from a segregationist senator and KKK member from Alabama to become a champion of civil rights on the Supreme Court.
It would be presumptuous to assume that Gorsuch will be Trump’s puppet, and those who protest his appointment should pause to consider what would have happened had Trump nominated Steve Bannon to the Court.
To overturn Roe, a Court majority may have to overturn the logic in the underlying right-to-privacy rulings, specifically Griswold v. Connecticut, and if so, that means birth control is no longer on solid ground either. The marchers in this last right-to-life parade made it plain that, at the very least, they’d like to ban IUDs and the Pill as well as abortion.
Several generations that took birth control for granted have another think coming.
one of the most endearing traits of SoCons is their propensity for reaching too far.
coram, it would be logically possible to retain Griswold but find that the unborn are “persons” within the language and meaning of the 14th Amendment, and overturn Roe and Casey on that ground.
That of course, would be worse than overturning Griswold. We wouldn’t even have a “leave it up to the states” option if that happened.
The Intercept, you care about the 4th amendment and privacy protections right? Why don’t you look into Gorsuch’s positions on that, because based on the current administration what we NEED right now is someone with a strong record of defending privacy rights and voting against law enforcement and executive overreach. #Priorities
Frankly, I expected more common sense and a better analysis than these hysterics over a maybe possibly pro-life conservative replacing another pro-life conservative. I mean, how is this shocking? This angle would be put to better use during the replacement of a liberal justice, not that of Scalia.
sure, count your blessings. don’t get greedy, it could always be worse!
i feel like i’m being lectured by the DNC.
I can see how such bizarre and extreme views could trouble anyone engaged in the LEGAL and INNOCENT commerce activity involving the selling of little dead babies body parts. We must stop this extremist because he is a bad person.
“The intentional taking of human life by private persons is ALWAYS wrong,” the nominee wrote.
So when your dog has a terminal illness, you can ask the vet to spare the suffering. But when a person has a terminal illness and he/she him/herself asks the doctor to put an end to his/her suffering that “is ALWAYS wrong.” As it turns out, we have more compassion towards our pets than towards our fellow humans.
To state that something is “always” wrong or “always” right is indeed an extremist view, and does not strike me as an analysis worthy of a SCOTUS.
He said, “…the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong,…” I assume that means he’s in favor of capital punishment and no constraints on police.
“Horrifying” is an extreme word. I’d say “pragmatic.”
It means, simply, all law is for sale. Sure, the negotiations and costs are prohibitive for all but the most lawless of us, but the message is absolutely beyond any reasonable doubt.
Trump merely redeems the IOUs he offered as a candidate.
All good businessmen do this. (Even bad ones like Trump do this if they feel they must. What does a nomination cost him anyway?) Health, war, human beings, civil rights, laws, legislators, sanity … all can be bought easily enough for the Corporate States of America.
The CSA needs a new flag however.
I suggest the same symbols — stars and bars — but different colors. Instead of blue, dollar-bill green might be appropriate to represent the aspiration of all good consumers. Instead of white, (the color of purity) black can represent oil and ink. Instead of red, the color of indebtedness, let’s have crimson to represent the blood the people without the green must sacrifice to the gods of revenue.
Instead of the Supreme Court, we should rename it the Supreme Bazaar and instead of Justices, call the members of the new Supreme Bazaar, the Regulators of Human Resources.
Within a few years we could entirely rid ourselves of the unpleasant blight of poverty simply by saying “You’re fired” to those people who aren’t working anyway.
Done, done, and done.
It’s the end of the world as we know it
and
I feel fine
Arth!…Arth!, Arth!, Arth!
It is unusual for the Supreme Court to rethink an old ruling. In this case it would not be a surprise for a strict constructionist. Our declaration of independence points out that we are endowed naturally to a Right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of happiness. All humans have that right to life and States have the power to control when and under what conditions a persons killing is murder, justifiable homicide, etc. An infant in a womb can be a threat to a woman’s life but lacking that, it should be protected. I believe the Court will correct the error of Roe v. Wade.
No Supreme Court Justice–including Scalia and Thomas–has ever embraced the idea that an embryo or fetus is a person with 14th Amendment rights. So your theory is not going to fly.
all *persons* have rights.
a fetus is not a corporation.
First off, the Declaration of Independence does not have the force of law. And, in the second place, “we” are not endowed etc, but rather all men are. There is no mention of women in that document. I suppose you would ban abortions for fetuses of male gender only.
That aside, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Each time I have protected sex I perform a funeral for the contents of my condom, and similarly my wife conducts the appropriate ceremony monthly. At one point we tried to have a religious ceremony but the clergy would not go along with the idea.
Replacing Scalia with Gorsuch is hardly putting the legality of abortion in jeopardy, so don’t freak out just yet.
Reversing or abolishing what is and has been a recognized “constitutional right,” (the right of “choice” was recognized in Roe v. Wade) is unprecedented, even for a court full of partisan hacks.
It is unlikely to occur and it is even less likely any judge with an ounce of credibility and judicial integrity, regardless of politics, would sign off on such a radical, unthinkable precedent.
Should that thread be pulled, there is no so-called “inalienable” right and that’s done, then.
Correct. This is why legitimizing the idea that overturning Roe would be no big deal for Trump appointees undermines both abortion rights and the larger constitutional order.
this is outrageous! Trump not appointing a justice who satisfies Liberals! He’s not a president, he’s a caudillo!
Do you think this is Trump’s favorite song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
I know, he’s fond of Frank Sinatra’s “My Way”. . . The obvious fusion being “Trump Sperm – Pure Gold!”
Really there should be a Presidential Sperm Bank, to go along with the Nobel Prize Sperm Bank.
To be serious though, Republican policies are grossly hypocritical on this; ban abortion “for the sake of the babies”, but cut EPA regulations, so you get more pollution-related birth defects, childhood cancers, etc. – while also cutting public health care, which obviously impacts the health of children. Bizarre.
what would be the basis for an argument to overturn R v W, or to turn the matter over to states? even in the event of a reconstituted court, there still has to be some new premise introduced to contradict precedent, nez pas?
Read some famous overrulings as in segregation and reapportionment and you’ll see it’s a change of policy, which is what you mean by “some new premise”. Unless you think legal premises come from where they store mathematical truths.
The decision in Casey discusses at length why Roe is not analogous to other cases that have been overturned like Plessy. The Court concluded that the central holding of Roe that a person has a right to end a pregnancy before viability is “a rule of law and a component of liberty we cannot renounce.”
Not necessarily. The judges can pretty much do as they want. If they disagree with the argument that the right is inherent in the 14th amendment there’s really nothing that would stop them from overturning it. As one expert pointed out, the court will routinely accept cases on one thing and then rule on a different one — like, say, accepting a case on a broad issue and then ruling in a more narrow way. In other words, there are few constraints on the justices.
“If they disagree with the argument that the right is inherent in the 14th amendment there’s really nothing that would stop them from overturning it.”
and is that considered a departure from the practice of common law?
i realize this is a very broad subject, but when i look at Plessy i have a hard time seeing it as analogous. of course, anything can happen and my question is speculative, but i also think that most of us are familiar with the rhetoric, and the specifics of R v W have been hammered out ad infinitum. it also seems, from my armchair, as if these subjects tend to have a certain discernible trajectory . . . .
still, i guess my question may be unanswerable.
No, the justices cannot just do what they want. This is how liberals undermine acceptance of the constitutional right to abortion–by making it sound as if abortion isn’t a *real* right so justices can just vote it away. The Court has never recognized a right and then taken it away. And they would have to upend a whole lot of law that isn’t about abortion to do so. Roberts and Alito have both recognized Casey is settled law; Thomas is the only justice left who says Roe/Casey should be overturned. Articles like this that claim Roe can be easily overturned just encourage legislators to pass and the public to accept laws that are flagrantly unconstitutional.
“The Court has never recognized a right and then taken it away.”
ok, but this isn’t a specifically enumerated right.
Gorsuch in the Hobby Lobby case agreed an employer can deny birth control coverage to employees based on religious bias. Some religions object to vaccines for children therefore putting children at risk by failure to let health plans pay for them. This type of religious bigotry is becoming the law of the land. Gorsuch seems to believe that human life begins at conception and must be protected from those women charged with bearing it. There rises a return to the “Wild. Wild West” of illegal abortions.
my understanding was that the HL case was premised on the idea that the employer was being asked to violate their religious convictions. i’m not sure how that conviction could be used to address R v W, though it might provide the impetus.
There are subtle differences between forcing Hobby Lobby to pay for something that, unfortunately, remains highly contentious, vs the relatively settled matter of vaccines. Besides, even if a company refuses to cover children’s immunizations on religious grounds, the GOVERNMENT provides them for free to any child who can’t otherwise afford them, and that’s not going to change. The public opinion is simply too strongly in favor of vaccines.
The matter of whether or not abortions should be legal at all, vs whether or not they should be open to public funds… I remain hopeful that an intellectual like Gorsuch can grasp the differences.