A week after President Donald Trump’s executive orders targeting immigrants prompted nationwide protests and global condemnation, California lawmakers took the first steps in advancing measures that would bar the state’s police and sheriffs from enforcing federal immigration law. Legislative hearings Tuesday had the tone of a state ready to go head to head with Washington, with repeated references to California’s size, economic clout, and large immigrant population. Lawmakers also went out of their way to highlight studies linking sanctuary policies to decreased crime.
The actions were a radical change from California’s recent history. In 1994, voters approved Proposition 187, which attempted to deny state services to undocumented immigrants before being struck down by the courts. A generation later, Kevin De León, the son of undocumented immigrants and leader of the California Senate, authored SB 54, which bars state law enforcement from working with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to identify or detain people for deportation. The bill does not prevent ICE from enforcing immigration law in California or honoring judicial warrants.
“Trump’s remarks and the political climate around immigration makes Pete look like a choir boy compared to what we see today,” De Leon said, referencing former Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, who championed Prop 187 during his 1994 re-election campaign.
SB 54 passed through the Public Safety Committee on Tuesday with a 5-2 vote. State Sens. Jeff Stone and Joel Anderson, both Southern California Republicans, opposed the bill over concerns it would prohibit police and sheriffs from cooperating with federal agencies to investigate organized crime.
“I’m concerned that you’re basically making California a de facto sanctuary state,” Stone told De Leon during the hearing. “I’m also concerned about the promise of this president to take away significant federal money that this state needs and depends on,” he said, referring to Trump’s executive order threatening to cut funding from local governments that refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities.
A separate bill intended to counter Trump’s call for a national Muslim registry was unanimously passed by California’s Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday. The measure, SB 31, would prevent state law enforcement from participating in the creation of any database or registry of individuals according to their religion, national origin, or ethnicity.
Sen. Ricardo Lara, the author of the proposal, likened Trump’s recent ban on travelers and immigrants from seven predominantly Muslim countries to the deportation of hundreds of thousands bracero migrant workers in the 1950s under Operation Wetback and the Chinese Exclusion Act. “Friday’s executive order was a return to those shameful and deplorable acts of our past,” Lara said.
A third bill that advanced out of the Judiciary Committee, SB 6, would create a state-funded legal defense program for undocumented immigrants in deportation proceedings. The program would not cover individuals with violent felony convictions on their record.
Photo: Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images
West Coast cities have also started to push back against Trump’s order punishing sanctuary cities. On Tuesday, San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera sued the federal government on the grounds that the 10th Amendment bars Washington from withholding money from states in response to policy disagreements.
While elements of the national law enforcement lobby, like the Fraternal Order of Police and the union representing ICE and Border Patrol agents, have come out in strong support of Trump’s immigration agenda, California law enforcement associations appeared split on whether to openly defy the federal initiatives.
Cory Salzillo, a lobbyist for the California State Sheriffs’ Association, voiced opposition to De Leon’s proposal. “We are concerned that SB 54 limits communication and cooperation with our law enforcement partners,” Salzillo said.
Sheriffs and police across the state collaborate with ICE agents through federal-local initiatives like Joint Terrorism Task Forces and the Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force. Losing access to federal resources, money, and prosecutors for organized crime and trafficking cases is a major concern for state law enforcement.
According to De Leon, however, his legislation would not jeopardize these collaborations. “We want to make sure that we do not curtail any type of activities,” De Leon stated. “That being said, we don’t have to use local state tax dollars to do the job of federal immigration authorities.”
Another major police lobby, the California Police Chiefs Association, has not yet taken a stance on SB 54 or SB 31. “We do agree that local law enforcement does not want to be put in the position of enforcing immigration law,” said Jeffrey Feldman, a lobbyist with the police association.
The Senate committee hearings also included overt talk of defying unlawful or unconstitutional initiatives emitting from the beltway. Sen. Nancy Skinner, the chair of the Public Safety Committee, made one of the most forceful statements regarding the nature of Trump’s actions on immigration. “We are making it clear that the state of California will not be complicit with authoritarian policies,” Skinner said.
Migrant rights groups hold candles during a vigil to protest President Donald Trump’s crackdown on sanctuary cities outside City Hall in Los Angeles on Jan. 25, 2017.
Photo: Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images
California’s actions stand in stark contrast to developments in Texas this week, where Gov. Greg Abbott made good on his threat to withhold money from Travis County, where newly elected Sheriff Sally Hernandez issued a policy on Inauguration Day limiting her deputies from cooperating with ICE agents, except in cases of some violent felonies. On Wednesday, the governor’s office canceled state grants to Travis County totally about $1.5 million.
On Thursday, Texas legislators took up a bill to ban sanctuary policies in the state. The law, SB 4, brought forth by Sen. Charles Perry, would strip state funding from local governments that either passed a sanctuary policy or refused to fully cooperate with immigration detainers, requests from ICE to local law enforcement to turn over immigrants in custody for possible deportation.
Defiance of SB 4 would allow the state attorney general to file civil suits against the local government entity that could result in hefty fines. “When we take on a law that says we are not going to allow detention, not going to allow the boots on the ground to inquire about status, that’s a sanctuary city,” Perry said during Thursday’s Senate State Affairs Committee hearing on the bill. “It’s a false argument to say that communities are safer when they allow laws to be broken.”
According to testimony at the hearing, only the Travis County sheriff has refused to fully honor all ICE holds. Texas law enforcement declined less than 1 percent of all ICE holds in 2014 and 2015, according to data analyzed by the Texas Tribune.
SB 4 faced significant pushback from several Latino legislators. Sen. Jose Rodriguez, the former El Paso County district attorney, pointed out the potential loss of state money for drug courts, anti-recidivism programs, victim compensation funds, and other social service programs that reduce crime. “It seems to me the height of irony that this bill could cut off funds that make our communities safer,” Rodriguez said.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus also testified against SB 4 on the grounds that it would overload his officers and harm his department’s relationship with the city’s large Latino community. “This bill usurps the authority of police departments — we don’t have the capacity to enforce immigration law as well as the penal code,” McManus said.
More than 600 people signed up to testify before the Senate State Affairs Committee Thursday, including many who identified themselves as undocumented. Early on Friday morning, after 16 hours of testimony, overwhelmingly in opposition to the anti-sanctuary measure, the committee voted 7-2 to advance the bill.
Top photo: Mexican farm workers take a break from harvesting celery in Brawley, Calif., in the Imperial Valley, on Jan. 31, 2017. Many of the workers expressed fears that they would not be able to continue working in the U.S. under President Trump’s administration.
Every Mexican trespasser is a criminal. Round them up and ship them out.
Can’t we just build a wall around Texas and be done with it?
Right idea, wrong state.
As always, the west coast and northeast want to advance with the rest of the world while flyover country enjoys being backwards. As a citizen of a west coast state, I welcome immigrants.
As I do also. But legal.
“Telling the illegal aliens to leave is really putting a strain on our police…” How about the police do their job before all hell breaks loose. California is heading down a very dangerous road with their “sanctuary” state. They fail to realize that stepping foot in America does not make one a citizen. This is going to have very dire long-term consequences.
Your fears are not our problem.
Hey California – cut it the fuck out! I am living here in California with these retards – calm the fuck down, you’re endangering all of our livelihoods with your bullshit and not everyone agrees with you. He’s president, shut the fuck up and deal with it and stop acting like fucking children.
Says James, who clearly dropped out by 5th grade before learning the constitution. Upholding moral laws is not “childish”. Breaking them and throwing your power around are. Trumps personal agenda, racist views and opinions, are not more important than the welfare of of American citizens. Green cards, visas, and student visas are all legal channels being denied the rights they are entitled. Trump didn’t make this about refugees or illegals, he made this about his personel preference against non-white people, including those who come legally. Plain and simple.
The way things are going so far, I think the only solution, as unrealistic as it may sound, is for Orgeon, Washington and California, maybe Nevada too, to secede, along with New York and New England.
Then to join Canada, and then let the rest of the US decide if they want to remain a fascist country. The premier financial, agricultural and education centers of the US would very likely be welcomed by Canada, and New York would have the pleasure of stripping Trump of his citizenship. Maybe the Clintons too, to be bipartisan.
We can do this folks, a non-violent separation from the states who are not contributing to the budget, but are the takers. Maybe the wealthy right wingers they vote for will kick in to support them.
You are delusional. In Canada the Liberal Party is in power only due the faulty first-past-the-post electoral system. The Liberal Party got 60% of House of Common with only 40% of the votes. Nobody supports the liberal policies.
in 2019 most probably we’ll get back to a Conservative government. No refugees, no carbon tax, visa required for Mexicans. In Canada most of the people support Trump’s policies. The protests you see in newspapers are just for show. They don’t even know what they are protesting against. In Toronto, people protest every week-end against something. They have nothing to do at home. The protests have no relevance anymore.
For the West, that would be an expanded Cascadia.
http://www.cascadianow.org/
Yes, these welfare libertarians can only win elections with the affirmative action for conservative old white people known as The Electoral College. Once they’ve won elections with a minority of votes, then proceed to soak the high tax, high regulation high wage productive economies in the liberal/progressive blue states for tax dollars to subsidize their low tax, low regulation, low wage moribund economies int he conservative/libertarian red state.
We’ll see how far these conservatives go on “state’s rights!” when the music stops on their soaking of their piggy banks to subsidize their libertarian capitalist economic sharia.
Let’s build a wall around California they can have the refugees just keep them there. Everybody is up in arms about what Trump is doing.. Other countries have been doing this all along. You can’t go to Australia and stay there and take jobs from their people.. But no one is bitching at them. Read up on other countries that have strict enforcement of who enters and visits their countries they don’t let every tom dick and harry in. Enough is enough America has enough of it’s own problems time to close the borders. I guess everyone has forgotten 9-11 well i live in NY and will never forget what those illegal pieces of garbage did. You like the refugees so much go to their country and help them, oh wait you wouldn’t be welcomed there because they also have rules who come and go. Get over yourselves.
Your a f*cking idiot
and dont forget that the whole situation had to have as much planning and orchestration as the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. And the orchestration necessary to carry out such a feat had to be protected. And the beneficiaries of a strike upon America had to see huge financial rewards for war.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy
Not sure how I view this. I think we should have tighter restrictions, but well thought out ones. We have 10’s of 1000’s of American retirees living in Mexico. How are they going to be treated? Is it advantageous to Mexico to have them there? The Mexicans do work I see no one else being willing to do. If they want to do to the work are there better options to allow them in to do it? I understand a lot of European and Middle Eastern counties let let people in specifically to work. I see a lot of people from Europe taking more desirable jobs away from Americans. I have worked with many that were brought over for work. They get sponsored to work here by a company many with direct ties to the counties they are imported from. I read that the highest number of them are from Great Britain. I have seen them replace Americans just as good and available. Technologies are constantly changing so it becomes harder to keep up. We should do a better job of training those that have proven themselves and learning from what these counties do. The one I have been most impressed with is “apprenticeships” . One of the best I’ve seen came over from England, had no college, but had been an apprentice for several years in a technology company. He was good at shifting companies once he got here, kept changing sponsoring companies to get better and better jobs. We have tons of Canadians also working in the U.S., but it isn’t as easy to get a job there for Americans. Are those Canadians taking jobs US citizens want, I’d like to know more about that. You’re in NY, maybe you know more about this. Yes, let do the same to Australia as they do to us. Most western and industrialized nations have tough restrictions. 3rd world counties not so much. You can find American’s living well in those countries, with their Social Security checks. Belise, Costa Rica, Panama, Thailand, etc.
As we isolate ourselves from NATO, China Sea, UN, etc. do we lose anything? Much of what we do enhances our economic position in the world, do we really wish to give up that advantage up. Maybe we should, people hate us for using that influence to gain economic advantages in their part of the world. Let just let them be and worry what it will cost our pocket books later.
In California, where a great deal of the nation’s food is produced, the bulk of the work force are Mexicans. But we don’t need to grow things here, we can increase our exports from Mexico and South America for tomatoes, strawberries, etc. They grow everything down there and can hire their own people to do the work instead of them coming here. Can’t guarantee the pesticides used won’t be the one’s banned here. Everything you buy though will cost a lot more, especially if we add a tariff. I am not sure how I feel about doubling my food bill. This is very much economics to me, there’s got to be a way to do this without me having to suffer financially. It’s going to affect a large part of my spendible income, but a miniscule fraction of the income of the top 1%, who are getting a tax break that will more than cover their this and a few extra luxury cars. It will lessen my tax bill, too, from what I see, but not that much. I’d like to protect our borders from terrorists, too, but I doubt they’d come from Mexico. Isn’t our northern border more vulnerable? Again, you’re in NY, how is it cross? Fake passports easy to get? The lines are long between Tijuana and San Diego. I haven’t been to Mexico in decades, no reason to want to go there. Muslims all over the world, we’d need to vet everyone, and not sure if that would help. Build a fence? Not even the Great Wall of China kept people out. The 9 11 terrorist had a lot of money, not cheap to get pilots training. They get here on small air craft, boats, many other means besides trying to get in through normal means. As long as we are watchful, I understand it is better to know where potential threats are than to lose track of them, so wouldn’t that be a terrorist’s thinking, too. Are we really protecting ourselves from terrorists at air ports, where they are the most exposed? What about other entry points like ports where 1 in x containers are checked. A lot of TV shows, with ports as a vulnerable access point. I can go on. I think we should rethink a lot of things, like all those babies born here from illegals that gets them US citizenship. That would I think make an impact,
Do you mean “those illegal pieces of garbage”, being Cheney, Bush and the other neocons who let it happen? Because I believe all the accused high-jackers came into the country with visas. You’re spewing your venom at the wrong people Debra.
“I guess everyone has forgotten 9-11 well i live in NY and will never forget what those illegal pieces of garbage did.”
That doesn’t stop you from forgetting that these “illegal pieces of garbage” had valid visas and as such had not been “illegal”, you also forgot from what countries they came from because none of those are actually affected by Trump’s “Muslim ban”: http://imgur.com/gallery/jxPlC
I guess “alternate facts” are not good enough anymore for some people, they need to live in whole “alternate realities” for their views to make sense. ¯\_(?)_/¯
Can’t wait for Federal Funds to be withheld from LA and CA in general….Then they can see how it is to secede from the Union…LA has to create bonds just to pay for all the lawsuits approved to pay .. Keep up the good government work…You’ll surely bankrupt LA…Then CA…
Trump is using the classic technique of divide and conquer to set groups against each other to weaken overall resistance. Whether it will work or not remains to be seen. Hopefully, this tactic backfire on him badly and end up uniting groups that normally wouldn’t work together.
Divide and conquer is what Obumer and Hitlery did. They let in millions of illegals and then in California gave them drivers license’s and encouraged them to vote. Try to do anything about it and your a racists. George Soros is paying protesters to burn down colleges and riot in the streets. Encouraging employers to move to Mexico to make himself richer. Somehow I am supposed to feel sorry and want to help these people while I train my replacement in Mexico. I have a job were their is supposedly a shortage “according to facebucket and the like” of people skilled in computer programming, math, science but the truth is there is plenty of us they just don’t want to pay us a real wage when they can get a kid fresh out of college in Mexico for 260.00 a week. My company has fired a couple of hundred engineers and had us train our replacements! Trump is the one trying to right this country, your probably a nice person and all but you have been fooled by the fake media to believe a bunch of nonsense. Hopefully you find out the truth before you have to go through what I am going through.
Californians THREATEN to secede from the US
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/27/california-succession-movement-starts-gathering-petition-signatures.html
not a threat, a BLESSING!
Pretty sure that California contributes more to the federal budget than it gets back in federal funds.
all the more reason to let it go – put some sanity in the .mil budget.
I am leaving Silicon Valley. The explosion in crime, decline in quality of life and soaring taxes are no doubt linked to the illegal influx. Neighbors are banding together to track the criminals targeting their communities but you never read about this in the liberal rags.
“Neighbors are banding together to track the criminals targeting their communities but you never read about this in the liberal rags.”
Our local police chief actively discourages his officers from even getting out of their squad cars because he’s blowing his horn on the low crime statistics. If the officer doesn’t get out of his car it’s just a ‘suspicious activity’ call.
Never-mind that my neighbor filed a FOIA (took more than 6 months) that showed a 400% increase in burglaries in our neighborhood.
So my other neighbor then caught some guy breaking into his truck. That guy had a gun barrel placed in his mouth and was told to not come back.
The day of the Vigilance Committee has returned by design.
“Never-mind that my neighbor filed a FOIA (took more than 6 months) that showed a 400% increase in burglaries in our neighborhood.”
When making claims like this, why does nobody ever share any sources or evidence? Why didn’t your “neighbor” upload a scan of that report? And if he did: Why don’t you share that report to give your claim some actual credibility?
I live in Ca as well. Work in the valley as a programmer. Company is moving all the jobs to Mexico and we have to train them if we want a severance package. Been dealing with the burglaries and thefts for about 6 years since the big influx of illegals. I know exactly what you mean about them not reporting crime stats. This is insane.
I am retiring and leaving this growing cesspool called Silicon Valley. The explosion in crime has no doubt been due to the illegal influx and taxes have become ludicrous. California is America’s counterpart to Merkel’s no borders Germany.
F**k California and all their illegal immigrants. Trump should stop all fed funding to them if they want to protect illegals from being deported. Let them pay welfare to all of the illegals they want! Not from all other state tax payers. She how long they can manage that before they go into bankruptcy.
California is going to see what armed conflict looks like if they keep up this nonsense of protecting every illegal that wants to settle within their perimeter. Absolute disregard for the law at every step.
Just like Chicago! Sind in the ATF but beef it up with Marines, Navy, Army and take back California.
Great! So the state of California, which leads the nation in offshoring state government jobs,
https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/pdf/PerformanceData/2016/H-1B_Selected_Statistics_FY2016_Q4_updated.pdf
is now going to bring in as many “refugees” as possible???
What doesn’t sound quite right about this picture?
Send in the army! Screw liberals, if they want to harbor fugitives then declare martial law and take control away from their lawless state government and imprison their state legislature. It is time to send liberals an unmistakable message.
Alan, I live in Ca and I support this 1000%. Maybe you should get into politics. God please take my state back from these morons running it now!
As a second generation AMERICAN, I have no problem with legal immigrants. My grandparents did it the legal way. If your here illegally, you can apply for citizenship, leave or be ddeported. If you support these illegal immigrants, you are an accomplice in breaking our laws.
Let California become a sanctuary as long as ever highway exit from California into surrounding states has a stop and search gate like Mexico into Texas.
Cut all funds off to California and fine them daily. Sooner or later they will comply.
God bless Texas. Shame on California. I was robbed by illegals that were caught and released and fled to California. You can have them …
And I was robbed by everyday Americans. Nobody should be robbed.
But to label a whole group of human beings by the action of a few, is inhumane .
Of course you were. And if there was a god, he’d dump on Texas.
Post a part of the police report you filed, because I don’t believe you–the comment section is full of right wing trolls today.
Safe bet: California economy (growth & volume) will outperform Texas’.
Then why did CA push to force Texas to sell their electricity into the national grid? Because CA consumed 30% more electricity than it could generate. They consume more than they produce except for vegetables. CA banned nuclear but more people have died in a transportation vehicle under the control of a Kennedy family member than the entire history of nuclear in the U.S. They don’t use wind farms because it is unsightly. YOU are paying for the Lotus Flower state to welcome all to wonderland but at the cost of all of the U.S.
naughty naughtY, you forgot to mention DEBT.
The human social sanctuary out to be a sanctuary from injustice, against unjust laws.
Sanctuary should be an area, physical or virtual, where people are protected from any laws that violated basic precepts of humanity, decency, morality and ethics, against laws promoting and enforcing war, social divisions of any kind and inequality in cultural, legal political and socioeconomic realm that leads or is associated with economic exploitation via intimidation, extortion, coercion or violence.
This is the kind of sanctuary I would support and and not as much an exclusionary sanctuary ONLY for those who do not have work permits or immigration papers.Not only those people who are in need of protection from inhumane laws.
But if so would we need many more kinds of sanctuaries spread across great American land suffering under brutal US imperial power?
Let’s take LA for example declared sanctuary for undocumented residents.Why stop there?
Have you check those rents that skyrocketed in LA.
As priority do we not need a sanctuaries that would protect people from eviction laws written by cruel landlords solely form their benefit and profit, a sanctuaries that would prevent sheriff from using brutal force against people, US citizen or not, to thrown them out on the streets only because of family tragedy, exuberant rent hikes or unemployment? Where are those sanctuaries?
Where are sanctuaries for those who are being evicted from home wrongly foreclosed by a thieving banksters? Where are they? I am asking those fat pigs from LA City Council, where are they?
Where are sanctuaries where young people will be protected from intimidation and enslaving for life to pay exuberant fees for bloated incompetent cronies of the regime running University/College administration and where government sponsored student loan sharking is prohibited while phony corporate education, research and science is derided.
Where are sanctuaries where dying people can escape corporate greed as well as outrageous medical bill collectors that hasten death and amplify suffering of the sick scrambling not to bankrupt their own children or spouses, legal or illegal residents, LGBT or strait, Muslim or Christians alike. Where are those sanctuaries?
Where are sanctuaries where some lowlife oligarchic pig cannot legally bankrupt the factory for profit, for the purpose of shipping jobs to god knows where and with sadistic psychopathic pleasure throwing hard working people, family bread winners on the streets with nothing but an insult and a kick in a their butt. Where are those sanctuaries where it is legal to spit such a lowlifes in their faces, as they deserve?
Where are those sanctuaries in which no repugnant laws prohibiting feeding the poor homeless, abandoned or just hungry are enforced? Where are those sanctuaries that would protect families, fabric of our society, from disintegration due to vicious economic class war and its consequences such a joblessness, homelessness, family estrangement due to job relocation, deportation, illness or unaffordability of the shelter, imprisonment, divorce, alcohol or drug addition. Where are those sanctuaries where poverty is not a crime but a proof of crime committed by ruling oligarchy on a human?
Author is apparently not really interested in those sanctuaries because she does not care at all about all the people suffering social and economic collapse where immigration and splitting families is just a one problem of many.
Not interested in spreading such sanctuaries all over the continent, across the borders and divisions to drown this abhorrent inhumane Global oligarchic regime in the ocean of humanity unified in solidarity with fellow human beings who work for living in peace everywhere.
Unfortunately, author is just a puny political hack who in a Orwelian style wants us to forget the past so she and her minions can control our present, she wants us to forget yesterday, like it did not happen telling us that Trump is an superior evil we must fear and he has always been.
That is a lie of a despicable political influence peddler for money.
Trump was not born in hell yesterday; he was spawn from the same global oligarchic cesspool of inhumanity as all the 44 other deplorable US presidents in a course of 227 years of this abhorrent Imperial regime including Obama, Dubya, Clinton or Reagan.
Trump is nothing but a puny new, may be slightly uglier than usual reincarnation of political evil, a face of the same repugnant ruling elite who set their goals for extermination of the nation and human race by wars, extreme exploitation, threats, intimidation and through artificially moderated devastating economic depressions but most of all by division of all the people into warring groups who fight for crumbs from oligarchic table, crumbs author apparently tries to get for herself with this highly divisive piece of sh..t.
We need a sanctuary from this entire oligarchic regime and their lies that divide us.
If Trump would go after murderous Mexican oligarchy’s Wall Street interests and support democratic movements in Mexico based of egalitarian principles, return of land to the people and establish social justice, he would have to build a wall to keep Mexicans in the US not the other way around.
It would also stop phony war on drugs in Mexico, a war that is nothing but a modern form of popular insurrection against Mexican aristocracy happens to be at this time funded by drug trade, as a proud Mexican tradition of noble outlaws, a country founded on “Bandits” myth as national heroes bringers of independence from Spain.
If Trump removed big Imperial foot of the throats of billions of peoples all over the world, nobody would want to some to America enjoying living in their own countries as everybody wants. World immigration is an artifact of exploitative globalism and wars. Nothing natural or normal or desired is in emigration of people. Tourism yes but emigration is a sociopolitical tools of global oligarchy combined with chaos and violence.
Overblown leftist ideology that can not be supported.
actually no. Seceding from the oligarchs would solve 99% of the consequential and subsequential precipitations of prepondering predicaments.
Good response. Nice to see that some people see the bigger picture. The hypocrisy of state legislators who are just as authoritarian is truly mind-blowing and sad.
You’re forgetting one thing. The word ILLEGAL. Do you lock your doors at night? Your car? Why? Shouldn’t just anyone be allowed to come into your home at night whenever they want? If you try to keep anyone out that makes you a racist bigot full of hate. That’s the same reasoning the left uses. The reason for borders is to protect the US and its citizens from people who shouldn’t be here. Immigrants can come all they want if they do it legally. The ILLEGAL ones are breaking federal law no matter how you slice it. If you don’t like it then lobby to change the law, otherwise stop spewing stupidity.
Trump is targeting people who arrived legally, too. That’s the problem. Visas, green cards, student visas; all restricted, all legal. Welfare is hard to get into with fraud, they support more working, white Americans than any other race or demographic. As for “taking jobs” They fill jobs witb high turnover that most won’t even bat an eyelash at. They get paid less yet are taxed more. Trust me, they pay their dues. Maybe learn about local government before posting hate speech. (you probably don’t even know what liberal entailes, democractic and republican librerals exist, FYI lol)
Would the Governor of California consider converting to a Province of Canada?
as in South Victoria, 54-50 and south to monterey and east to the great divide. The rest of the US can get owned by wallstreet thieves, govvy dumb&dumbers and the mil war profiteers.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Jerome Corsi: There are Clinton moles inside the White House.
http://www.infowars.com/exposed-insider-coup-to-sabotage-trump/
Provocative headline, but the link you provided demonstrates nothing of the sort. The one person named as a potential mole actually has prior professional ties to Trump and the article itself provides exactly no indication of her being a mole.
Fuck Texas
“Tuck Fexas” would keep this page from being screened out of safe search from search engines.
The anarchy, compassionate, and political portion of me believes in open borders everywhere. I also recognize that some of people who want to come here are in that position because of what the U.S. did to their societies, and maybe even to them personally. And if these were the only issues, I’d be squarely on the side of immigrants and against Trump on this issue (well, I’m against Trump on just about everything except trade).
However, there are other, bigger considerations:
1. California is just coming out of a severe drought. Before the drought, our lackey politicians have been rubber stamping development projects that increase our population, which is already way too high. If we suffer another severe drought with a substantially higher human population, there will likely be severe consequences, such as people without drinking water and waterways drained dry by a thirsty mass of humans. The last thing that California needs is even more people.
2. No one except Native Americans has the right to invite people to come here. We live on stolen land, period. If anything, we should be deporting people, starting with white people (Trump et al.?) to give at least some of this stolen land back.
3. Americans consume far more per capita than other people. Considering that overconsumption is one of the two roots of all environmental problems, the last thing our poor planet needs is more hyperconsumer Americans. So adding to the U.S. population just makes things worse.
4. An unchallenged study published 10-15 years ago concluded that people who come here from Latin America have even more children than they would have had if they’d stayed in Latin America. Considering that human overpopulation is the other root of all environmental problems, bringing more people here is very bad for the environment, and not just for the U.S. environment.
I know that it’s an affront to liberal and leftist sensibilities to oppose immigration for the reasons stated in my first paragraph. However, being a dogmatic ideologue instead of rationally and morally prioritizing issues and policies results in knee-jerk positions that are harmful when all things are considered. Just like people who blindly support unions even when they do bad things, advocating for more immigration into the U.S. puts you on the wrong side. As the saying goes, the Native Americans had bad immigration policy, and look where it got them and their portion of our planet.
2.
1. California is just coming out of a severe drought.
california is toast. It is not coming “out” of a drought, it’s just getting a blip of relief while the flood rains seep into the dry soil that killed the trees so that the trees – which are the living dead – can fall over so that the mud floods can begin to level the state.
2. If you want to return the land to the native americans (human beings) who owned it and cared for it, this is doable. We have to reduce our population to under 50M and raise the interstates to 10 feet off the ground.
3. population increases will not stop as long as the criminals of wallstreet keep forcing their fraudulent and predatory system onto US
4. NO JOKE.
To be truly successful one’s goal needs to be ultimately free and clear and not enslaved to faulty ambitions based on more is better or that what you create is never good enough. What is prevent this success for people is the predominance of the wallstreet way over the living people way.
people way: build use enjoy
wallstreet way: build use build more and build use destroy
These are polar opposites.
my predictions are not guesswork
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4205514/The-moment-home-toppled-California-landslide.html
I love how you call American Indians as native Americans as if the land cooled and then they just popped into existence. There are no native Americans, the people you refer to migrated here across the Bering strait land bridge from Asia. Secondly pretty much all countries in existence today were once the home of someone else. So you can stop your whiny “we are so evil” crap. You morons will never be allowed to secede but I wish you would try so we could have another civil war and we can eradicate the walking, festering disease known as libetals!
Looks like Trump is sharing his tanning bed with Spicer
Give us your tired, poor, and hungry…
laugh out loud
what a con job!
that was a recruiting phrase for cheap labor and a call for help to eradicate the land of the native Americans.
what a con job.
Mexico will claim a victory in their war against the US and california will be reclaimed. Dont believe fooled. If you as a country leader want to expand your power and influence of a more powerful country, dont shoot.
Mexico will claim a victory in their war against the US and california will be reclaimed. Dont BE fooled. If you as a country leader want to expand your power and influence OVER a more powerful country, dont shoot.
“The actions were a radical change from California’s recent history.” I think this is a bit misleading. The article is comparing something done by referendum with something done by the legislature. If you put these same measures to referendum, you might well get a very different result. This is the same state where voters refused gay marriage as recently as 2008. Lots more social moderates and conservatives in this state than its reputation and the Sacramento crowd would indicate.
The article is comparing something done by referendum with something done by the legislature.
It’s also comparing something that happened a generation ago to something happening now. Since the early 90s, among other things, California’s population has grown by more than 25% and ethnic Hispanics have become a plurality of the population.
And by 2013, more than 60% of Californians supported same-sex marriage.
That’s a fair point. It’s entirely possible that the demographic shift has altered pubic opinion. On the other hand, here’s a poll showing widespread opposition to sanctuary city policies among Californians when the policy is described in the question but the term “sanctuary city” is not used:
https://igs.berkeley.edu/news/igs-poll-californians-say-cities-should-not-be-sanctuaries
Some corporate pushback as well. Nordstrom, in this case.
http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/02/03/24848144/before-nordstrom-cut-ties-with-ivanka-its-three-presidents-sent-this-memo-about-the-muslim-ban-to-its-employees
““It’s a false argument to say that communities are safer when they allow laws to be broken.””
It’s a false argument to say that all laws exist to make communities safer. Take your logical fallacies elsewhere.
I wonder if there would be a way for CA to route federal tax dollars to Travis County TX rather than to Wash. DC…
Please send all illegals to California. Let them deal with the cartels…
It’s worth remembering that immigration is Federal law, with its own Federal court system and separate enforcement agencies (ICE, CBP). Local law enforcement can point to Printz v. U.S., 521 U.S. 898 (1997), majority opinion by Antonin Scalia, which held that local officials shouldn’t be dragooned into Federal enforcement operations. Separation of powers &c.
Certainly California police and sheriff’s deputies have enough to do to enforce the California Penal and Motor Vehicle Codes without having to do work they’re not trained or budgeted to do. And county jails are full enough as it is.
Good point, coram nobis.
We have federal prisons here also. We are not lacking in penal institutions – at all.
Immigrants ROCK CA! Give us your tired, poor, and hungry. CA will not treat them like the home of Lady Liberty or our POS that thinks just because the rich bought him the office he is a president. Never will be one. Always a TD wanna be. A 2 year old brat could do better than the orange ape.
Half the nation put him in office. Well, just under half, and you can split that particular hair all you want, but the fact remains that a large chunk of the Left is pushing a Liberal version of the Puritan policies of the 90s Right, and the public at large is sick of being held to the arbitrary moral policies of those who don’t understand the value of context. I say this not as a Republican, but as a Democrat wondering what the hell happened these past 10 years.
I despise Trump, but I understand how he got elected.
HE GO ELECTED BECAUSE THE DNC HAD TO BE BURNED DOWN,,,IT WAS TOO MUCH LIKE THE RNC,,,,AND THEIR CANDIDATE WAS NOT WHAT THE GROUP WANTED…..NOW THAT HAS HAPPENED IT WILL BE DUMP-TRUMP
I won’t deny that. I’m just saying, it goes a lot deeper than that. This party has a lot of growing up to do if it wants to be viable next election. Not sure Bernie is enough.
Half the nation put him in office. Well, just under half. . .
Actually, about 46% of the approximately 58% of eligible voters who actually did vote. So, about 27% of eligible voters.
The One Party with two right wings doesn’t seem to be working well enough for more than 40% of eligible voters to motivate them to bother. Not voting is also a vote.
Fair counterpoint, but that last argument works both ways. Folks weren’t exactly chomping at the bit for Hillary either, who was shown to be living in the same out-of-touch bubble as her supporters.
We agree. Please read my post again.
We don’t really have a two-party system in this country and more than 40% of eligible voters didn’t feel moved to vote for the candidate from either wing of the One Party. A substantial reason for that must be that they don’t see either as representing or working for them.
And they are correct.
Huh?
Don’t know what you are talking about, exactly, except my guess would be gay marriage, gays in the military, transgenders in bathrooms of their gender choice???
I have no problems with the “arbitrary” moral policies – aka civil rights for all; I got the impression, at least here at TI, that we strenuously object to neoliberal policies of the last forty years.
Well I do, but I can’t speak for the rest of TI, because TI has some very loopy goofballs who post here and not exactly sure what they object to. They appear to object to reason, objectively verifiable facts, and the fact they don’t get free psychotropic drugs from the government–which they should IMHO if for no other reason than maybe if they were trippin’ a bit harder they wouldn’t bother commenting and disrupting every conversation every day instead choosing to watch anime or cartoons all day long.
I think it’s possible to take a poem inscribed on a plaque too far. America was a young and growing country, and that was a different epoch in the evolution of the country. Does America have a moral obligation to let in ANYONE who wants in? Should ANY country have borders? Do I, as an American, have a right to take up residence in the country of my choosing, without regard to their laws? And should I furthermore assert some arbitrary moral “right” to be there? The idea that anyone who opposes immigration control, or border enforcement, is necessarily a bigot, or white nationalist, etc. just reeks of uncritical thinking.
step one: deport undocumented farm workers
step two: pay $10 for a tomato
The cost of farm labor is only a small fraction of what you pay for produce. But if you support a permanent underclass so you can save a few cents on tomatoes bully for you.
Every state voted themselves into the Union. Each state should have the right to vote themselves out. Unfortunately, Lincoln squashed that.
That’s why Calexit and California National Party are getting petitions signed.
California receives only 0.78 cents back for every dollar we send the Federal government. We are subsidizing poorer red states. Care should be exercised when threatening states that can stand alone.
We are not defenseless nor gullible puppets.
And boy did Texas get roundly laughed at for its secessionist movement. Not seeing the same laughter at California’s movement. Wonder why that is.
Call on me, please, Teacher! I have some really good answers. ;^)
BTW, latest polls show we’re getting close to a third of Californians who think secession is at least worth considering. I expect Washington and Oregon are coming along nicely, as well.
The State of Jefferson may be much bigger than the original proponents visualized. And I’m sorry, guys, but I don’t think Yreka can be the capital under the new circumstances.
But we’ll definitely let you keep your guns. Get your militia organized to resist invasion of the Free State by forces of the tRump US.
“The State of Jefferson may be much bigger than the original proponents visualized.
My neck of the woods. If it we’re put to a vote here today, it would pass with the same margins as Trump – about 75 – 25.
I’m totally behind secession. In fact, I’d love to see northern California secede from southern California (I live in the northern portion). The smaller the state or country, the better. Fuck statism.
Why do you think this? why would a smaller state or country lead to a better outcome? Isn’t there a strength in unity around common ideals?
I’m all for California, Oregon and Washington seceding, but we’d have to take along the majority of the land where the three grow stuff east of the Cascades and “re-persuade” them that their GOP ways just aren’t going to fly anymore in the new baker’s dozen nation of Cascadia. They’ll just have to learn to live with the fact that abortion is a women’s legal right, you can’t force your religious beliefs on anyone or attempt to use the law to enshrine those beliefs into the law of Cascadia, and generally they’ll all have to convert all their restrooms to unisex.
They can keep all the guns they like, but they can’t bring them into a city with a population over 25,000 anywhere in Cascadia, in their car or on their person. If they live in a city with greater than 25,000 they are free to keep as many guns as they like in their homes, loaded even, if locked, but they are not free to have them loaded during transit or for any reason at any time except outside those city limits. In other, no open or concealed carry in city limits.
Short of that I think it is an excellent idea. And really I think the rest of the country can have all of the military infrastructure that belongs to the US returned to them except whatever air national guard units are located on the in Cascadia, and whichever nuclear weapon equipped nuclear submarines are located on the West Coast of Cascadia (and the infrastructure to safely maintain and store the nuclear weapons while not loaded onto the subs).
Short of that don’t think we really need any sort of active military infrastructure in the nation of Cascadia because we will be a peaceful nation, who trades “fairly” with all nations, and any nation that attempts to invade us gets nuked if we can’t handle it with small arms and our air national guard units.
Easy peasy self-defense scheme for a cost-effective price.
Suffice to say, let’s get on with it. Although it would be really nice if we could find a way to “re-persuade” the people of Wyoming, Utah and Idaho to our designs and politics so that the new nation could consist of Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, New Mexico, and Arizona.
Nevada, Montana, Alaska and Arizona would probably eventually become “blue” anyway on their own, but Idaho, Wyoming and Utah are a real problem for a contiguous nation west of the Rockies plus Alaska and Hawaii.
The rest of the country can do as it wishes. The northern blue states and blue NE and eastern seaboard states can join Canada or form their own nation, or do whatever they like. That’s up to them.
Presumably Texas, the South and the ND, SD, OK, MI, KS et al types would stick together to form Biblestantinople. But that’s fine by me so long as they keep to themselves and trade with us fairly.
I’d not heard of Cascadia before, only the State of Jefferson, which our county board of supervisors recently passed an ordinance to join. Their concerns, however, hover around nebulous ideas similar to the Malheur/Bundie brigade – and not on any considerations that we are “takers” up here when it comes to paying our way via taxes, because the population base and resources simply aren’t self-supporting, and we’d be unable to maintain an even basic standard of living without paying substantially more taxes.
But maybe that is their plan?
The military is federal as are the nukes moron. You libs will not be allowed to keep them. Secondly China will roll in and make mincemeat of you idiots in no time.
China has already rolled in and won. Economically, just as it has all over the world.
The US warships in the South China Sea, for what, freedom of navigation (?) are at risk. All China’s oil comes in there, and all its exports go out through South China Sea, but the aggressive elites think it’s a great place to send carrier fleets.
But Hellary said we would not cede the Pacific to China. I sort of thought that meant that stopping them at Hawaii would be reasonable, but she meant 12 miles from their own shores. And it is war mongers who never learn, like Hellary, that we don’t want or need, and why seceding is a very good idea.
“Anarchists Respond to Trump’s Inauguration, by Any Means Necessary” on nytimes.com.