The Trump administration has taken sweeping, drastic measures that it says are necessary to protect Americans from the threat of terrorism, including its executive order halting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. But the radical policies and beliefs of this administration could just as easily end up fueling the narratives of extremist groups fighting the United States. When Trump ran a campaign built on promises to destroy ISIS, how can one explain the fact that supporters of the group in Mosul were reportedly celebrating his Muslim ban?
The order was based on plainly dubious claims about national security, targeting for scrutiny some of the most heavily vetted visitors to the United States. But the tangible purpose it did serve, before being at least temporarily frozen by the courts, was to divide Americans from millions of people in the Muslim world by sending the latter a message of gratuitous insult and contempt — and emboldening the very extremist movements the order was ostensibly directed against.
That kind of polarization may be exactly what some members of the White House want. High-ranking members of the current administration — most notably its chief strategist, Steve Bannon — have publicly espoused apocalyptic theories of history that center on a forthcoming clash between Western countries and the Muslim world, a conflict that many of them seem to perceive as both inevitable and desirable.
There are striking parallels between Bannon’s worldview and the perspective of terrorist groups like the Islamic State, which see the world divided in similarly binary terms — hence their reported enthusiasm for the executive order that Bannon helped author.
A proponent of pseudoscientific theories of history like the “Fourth Turning,” Bannon has predicted the coming of another major U.S. war in the Middle East and a military conflict with what he calls an “expansionist China.” In interviews during the election campaign, Bannon openly described Trump as a “blunt instrument” for his ideological goals.
A 2014 speech that Bannon delivered to an audience at the Vatican provides a hint of what kind of program he might want to use Trump to achieve. In that address, delivered via teleconference, Bannon called for a revival of the tradition of the “church militant,” describing a vague yet apocalyptic threat he claims that Western countries face from both “Islamic jihadist fascism” and their own loss of religious faith.
We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict … to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years.
Now consider how Bannon’s hysterical view of history was echoed that same year in a speech by Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who issued a similarly vague, yet no less frenzied call to arms:
So let the world know that we are living today in a new era. Whoever was heedless must now be alert. Whoever was sleeping must now awaken. … You will face tribulation and fierce battle. … So prepare your arms, and supply yourselves with piety.
Nowhere are these types of ideas particularly popular. While the Islamic State is held up by anti-Muslim activists in the United States as the quintessential expression of Muslim beliefs, in reality the group is deeply loathed in Muslim-majority countries. In the United States, though Trump won the election, his voter base comprised a distinct minority of the electorate. Even among those who did vote for him, few appear to have done so in enthusiasm for the apocalyptic theories of history held by advisers like Bannon. Huge numbers of people have also taken to the streets in opposition to Trump’s executive orders, which has helped to counteract the administration’s anti-Muslim message to the world, showing that it does not represent the views of all Americans.
But it doesn’t take much for a highly motivated minority to spark a broader conflict.
ISIS attacks have been deliberately calibrated to shock and offend the sensibilities of Western publics, a strategy that the group openly refers to as “eliminating the grayzone” of coexistence between societies. Many 19th- and 20th-century revolutionary movements were also led by small, militant vanguards that used violence and provocation to help advance their political programs. In their time, these movements achieved real tactical successes. And even today, despite widespread public war-weariness in the United States, ISIS has accomplished its goal of dragging American troops back into armed conflicts in Iraq and Syria that show little sign of abating.
After a series of improbable successes, the radical right-wing vanguard of U.S. politics has now taken control of the government, along with the most powerful military on the planet. In its enthusiasm for civilizational war, it is just the enemy that a group like the Islamic State needs to help validate its desperate and fanatical narrative.
An early example of the kind of harm that the Trump administration can do came in the form of the first special operations forces raid authorized by Trump after his inauguration. In that operation — reportedly promoted to him over dinner with his advisers — a total of 25 civilians were reportedly killed, including nine children under the age of 13. Among those killed was an 8-year-old U.S. citizen, Nawar al-Awlaki, the daughter of deceased al Qaeda proselytizer Anwar al-Awlaki. Images of Awlaki’s daughter and other victims of the raid were broadcast around the world, fueling widespread outrage.
Days later, the Yemeni branch of al Qaeda publicly denounced Trump for carrying out a “massacre” of civilians. The group promised vengeance, saying that global outrage over the deaths meant that “the flame of jihad has ignited and reached all over the world.”
While that may be an overstatement, it is not hard to see how a cycle of tit-for-tat violence, already tacitly established since the start of the war on terror, could accelerate dramatically under an administration that actively seeks to escalate conflict. Where President Obama sought to calm public fears in the aftermath of ISIS attacks, Trump and his administration will undoubtedly seek to inflame them for political gain. It’s only a matter of time before such an attack occurs, and Trump’s reaction could have consequences that quickly spiral out of control.
In his memoirs, published after his suicide in 1942, the exiled Austrian Jewish writer Stefan Zweig described his feelings of despair upon realizing that a “tiny but loud-mouthed party of German Nationalists” had succeeded in seizing power and dragging humanity into a global conflict it had neither wanted or expected. “The personal cause to which I had lent the force of my convictions, the peaceful union of Europe, had been wrecked,” Zweig lamented. “What I feared more than my own death, war waged by everyone against everyone else, had been unleashed for the second time.”
Seven decades after Zweig penned these words, small, well-organized groups of right-wing radicals are once again ascendant across the world. The best hope to stop them may be the popular opposition movements that have begun to stir in the United States. But most importantly, it will take a rejection of the logic of revenge and collective blame on both sides to prevent the apocalyptic visions of extremists from becoming reality.
Top photo: Senior counselor to the president, Steve Bannon, arrives at the presidential inauguration at the U.S. Capitol in Washington on Jan. 20, 2017.
All dissent is now called paid protesters, violence or fake news. We desperately need to move Dems out of the way. They’re a phony opposition, incapable of organizing to counter childish propaganda that seems to work. For instance, there are people who actually believe 3-5 million illegals voted. This is how dumb Americans can be. I’m trying to understand why anyone would believe that lie. It’s infuriating that politicians feel confident enough to repeat it.
Agreed. As much as I already held contempt for Democrats before this last election, watching them become divorced from fact and reason over Russia was a new level of disturbing.
The infowars crowd love Trump and Bannon. The antidote to that must heavily include reason and devotion to facts. A Democratic Party gone as removed from reason and fact as they’ve become (albeit with different motives) cannot help counter Trumpian madness.
It’s all over:
_”Illegal Voting Gets Texas Woman 8 Years in Prison, and Certain Deportation“_ –New York Times, February 10, 2017
_”Illegal Immigrants Found on Voter Rolls Before Crucial NC Senate Vote“_ -FOX News, Oct. 24, 2014
_”Feds should worry less about Russia, more about illegal voters“_
“”I’ve worked in six locations across the United States. I’ve probably arrested more than a thousand illegal aliens in my career, and I routinely encounter people in possession of voter registration cards,” Immigration and Customs Special Agent Claude Arnold said in a recent interview on Fox News. Just imagine if we applied Arnold’s sample of illegal immigrant voters to our entire illegal immigrant population in the US of 12 to 22 million.
“J. Christian Adams, president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation, recently unearthed more than 1,000 alien voters in eight counties in the swing state of Virginia. These illegal voters were discovered almost by accident and represent a much larger problem according to Adams.” -The Hill, Dec. 30, 2016
In California, all bets are off:
_”Experts: California voter registration system ‘highly susceptible’ to fraud“_ -FOX News, February 1, 2017
it’s obvious that danish hygge and The Perfect Swaddle are having no effect whatsoever here
which is a real tragedy
even drone ops and the bomb-vesters themselves might enjoy some smoked herring right from the can
or a cozy evening spend huddled up next to an electric wall heater, staring cross-eyed at the laptop screen
when Peace: The Box Set hits the big screen America must be ready to turn away from televised professional sports and CNN … because it’s time to purchase Ugg boots, flavored condoms, and krugerrands
CNN cuts off Bernie Sanders after he implies to Erin Burnett that her channel is fake news:
““Well I don’t know. Maybe he [Trump] was watching CNN fake news,” Bernie jests attempting to mock Trump, before asking, “What do you think?”
““It was a joke!” the senator explains to a somewhat bewildered Burnett, but it was too late – the senator was cut off and he stopped receiving audio to his earpiece.”
http://www.infowars.com/awkward-cnn-cuts-off-bernie-sanders-after-he-calls-them-fake-news/
How’s about we do some basic math for Mr. Bannon:
Bangladesh–145,607,000
Egypt–73,800,000
India–172,000,000
Indonesia–204,847,000
Iran–74,819,000
Nigeria–93,839,000
Pakistan–178,000,000
Just those 7 countries alone–roughly 1 billion Muslims. There’s an additional 700 million spread out all over the globe. You think the 2.2 billion “Christians” in the world are interested in ponying up their lives and money to go to war with Islam all over the globe?
America hasn’t fought a multi-front war by itself ever. Iraq and Afghanistan have roughly 60 million Muslim residents between the two of them. America had all it could handle in both, and neither Iraq or Afghanistan had a viable military. They fought us with improvised devises and small arms.
Purportedly the most expensive most technologically advanced military in the history of the world, America’s, a nation of 300 million people, and it couldn’t defeat two nations fighting them with improvised devices and small arms.
Only way America starts or engages in a war against Muslims, is through use of nuclear weapons, and then everyone on the globe glows, is dead or within a couple of short years from radiation poisoning or starves from nuclear winter.
Steve Bannon is delusional and I will fight against him if he attempts to incite a religious war in this world.
You are perfectly right Rev. Heard that most of the Radical Islamist Jihadi people are in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. For many years they have been living quite comfortably because they have nukes. Maybe then we should give nukes to Iran, Iraq and Saudis and they will also start living peacefully. The secret of peace is nukes, as you have proved with fake numbers. Look at North Korea. Despite their mad, belligerent alpha-male no one messes with them.
As usual for you, your reply to rr heard is non-responsive.
Non-responsive and nonsensical.
Yes. From whence did 15 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11 hail? These Trumpers very much do not like to talk about that. (Any more than Bushbots and Obama worshipers before them have cared to.)
Talking to the wrong guy. I’ve always been 100% consistent on the subject of nuclear weapons–either no nation should have them, or all nations should have them. Period.
What fake numbers are you babbling about? Those are the rough population estimates as of the last two years for all of those nations widely available by a simple Google search.
To be precise, America has 318 million people give or take. So what are you babbling about?
Well with the exception of the American Civil War of course, but not my point–which was a multi-front war against people from multiple nations all by itself.
“the rapture” does not require that anyone survives
Fair enough. But since I’m an atheist I’d hope the “Xtian believers” don’t take me with them, out of sheer delusional stupidity and irrational animus and paranoia.
I’ll give you odds that if his Muslim ban succeeds or is rewritten, those countries you listed will most likely be next in line.
the ban could be extended to include everybody, which would be constitutional …
then the people trump wants in could be naturalized by executive fiat
there would be no need for unconstitutional religious bias in the visa process, trump needs only invoke the divine right of kings
he could set up trump tower as the new ellis island .. it’s a brilliant plan where room service could deliver the social security cards
Next in line for what? Iran is already on the list.
If you think Trump is going to ban people from Pakistan, Egypt, India, Bangladesh, or Indonesia I want some of what you’re smoking.
And the chances of him banning citizens of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Oman is zero.
Again, I agree his ban shouldn’t be called a Muslim ban, because in a strict sense it isn’t with regard to all the nations of the world wherein Muslims reside.
With the exception of Iran, it should be called “Trump’s Ban on Muslims From Countries the US Bombs to Destroy or Control And/Or In Service Of One of America’s BFF Gulf Monarchies and Israel’s National Interest.”
It quite obviously isn’t a ban on the world’s Muslim populations, just the ones that might be pissed off because we’ve facilitated directly or indirectly the destruction of their lands and people (again excluding Iran). And with regard to the latter, quite frankly I could understand why they might hold some deep seated animus toward America. But thankfully, and Allah knows why, but the vast majority don’t, which as Americans we should be incredibly grateful for their capacity to forgive even the most unforgivable acts by the American and their allies.
And don’t think some in the US government wouldn’t like to take a crack at Iran, but that would likely spell the end of America as we know it (not saying that would be bad, except for all the regular folks in American and Iran).
Seems there are some disciples of Alex Jones around here. Scary thought.
You know it. Richard Stallman dropped by the Intercept threads the other day. Someone by that name, the founder of GNU, has been a radio guest of Alex Jones at least twice.
Yes, there are. In this instance, it is useful and instructive to have Trumpers like Communete around; his manifest delusions and complete lack of facility with the facts of history, reveal the mindset and profile of the typical, ardent Trump supporter.
What utter propaganda by Hussain. He very well knows that Obama armed Al Nusra and ISIS for the purpose of regime change in Syria. Obama opened the infamous ‘rat line’ to transfer weapons from one state he destroyed, Libya, to the state he was planning to destroy, Syria. This article is nothing less than anti-history — it erases the material support of ISIS by our previous president and plunges into abstraction to magically link Trump to ISIS.
Let us consider the words of congresswoman Gabbard:
Aloha ,
The lives of millions of Syrians have been destroyed by a horrific war that has killed hundreds of thousands and forced millions to flee their homeland. I went there last week to see and hear directly from the Syrian people.
I met with displaced families from Eastern Aleppo, Raqqah, Zabadani, Latakia and the outskirts of Damascus. I heard from Syrian opposition leaders who commanded the 2011 protests, widows and children of men fighting both for and against the government. I listened to Muslim and Christian leaders, humanitarian workers, academics, college students, small business owners and many more.
Their message was clear: The regime change war the U.S. is fueling in Syria does not serve America’s interest, or the interest of the Syrian people. Time and again I was asked, “Why is the United States and its allies helping al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups take over Syria? Syria did not attack the United States. Al-Qaeda did.” I had no answer.
These are the frustrated voices that have not been heard. Instead, we’ve heard incomplete, one-sided reports that push a narrative supporting this regime change war at the expense of Syrian lives.
I met a 14-year-old Muslim girl from Zabadani who was kidnapped, beaten repeatedly and raped. She watched in horror as “rebel groups” murdered her father in her family’s living room, emptying their entire magazine of bullets into him because her father, a sheep herder, would not give them his money.
I met a boy who was kidnapped while walking down the street to buy bread for his family. He was tortured, waterboarded, electrocuted, placed on a cross and whipped because he refused to help so-called rebels — he told them he just wanted to go to school. This is how the “rebels” treat the Syrian people who do not cooperate with them, or whose religion is not acceptable to them.
Repeatedly I was told there is no difference between “moderate” rebels and al-Qaeda (al-Nusra) or ISIS — they are all the same. Although opposed to the Assad government, the political opposition leaders adamantly rejected violence as a way to bring about reforms. They shared that it’s the Wahhabi jihadists, fueled by foreign governments, that pose the greatest threat to Syria and its history as a secular, pluralist, once-peaceful society. They continue to seek government reforms, but support the Syrian state over jihadist terrorist groups as they work to bring peace to Syria.
The consequences of this regime change war extend beyond the boundaries of Syria. As we spend trillions of dollars on regime change in the Middle East, Hawai’i, along with communities across the country, faces a severe lack of affordable housing, aging infrastructure, the need to invest in education, health care, and so much more. Our limited resources should go toward rebuilding our communities here at home, not fueling more counterproductive regime change wars abroad.
For years, the U.S. government has been directly and indirectly supporting allies and partners of terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS with money, weapons, and intelligence in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government.
I return to D.C. this week with even greater resolve to end this illegal and counterproductive war. From Iraq to Libya and now in Syria, the U.S. has waged wars of regime change, each resulting in unimaginable suffering, devastating loss of life, and the strengthening of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS.
We must allow the Syrian people to try to recover from this terrible war by ending our support for the terrorists destroying Syria and her people. My Stop Arming Terrorist Act would do just that.
really? i can’t find any basis for that in the text…
The greatest lie is the lie of omission.
– George Orwell
got it. that covers an awful lot of territory, don’t you think? if we’re going to cover the history of events having led up to and influenced the Great War of Civilizations, hadn’t you quickly submit a more thorough account lest you yourself partake of this greatest of lies?
let us know when you get to 2017.
drat.
-hadn’t you *better* quickly sumbit ….
He’s some kind of troll who frequently drops in early in a thread to spew one or two wild-eyed rants, and then leaves. I’ve learned to ignore him.
I guess for Mona a rant is prose that contains facts she doesn’t like … like Obama’s famous rat-line into Syria:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
It must get at Mona that her liberal president Obama supported Jihadists that would kill or enslave her in a heartbeat … just because she is a woman.
As I said, you’re some kind of troll. No one familiar with my commenting history, or the writers of this site, would suppose I’m either an Obama fan or a liberal.
“There has been sustained criticism of Hersh’s use of anonymous sources. Critics, including Edward Jay Epstein and Amir Taheri, say he is over-reliant on them.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh
You do understand, I hope, that both Epstein and Taheri lack all standing to criticize anyone else’s journalism — especially on the basis of proper sources or reliability? Invoking those two to criticize Hersh (who is a fine investigative reporter) would be like quoting Ted Bundy on the subject of domestic violence.
“He’s some kind of troll who frequently drops in early in a thread to spew one or two wild-eyed rants, and then leaves. I’ve learned to ignore him.”
You tell people you are no longer talking to them through a third party.
That’s odd.
Bannon, that whiskery bum, believes himself to be the last Crusader left standing:
“We’re now, I believe, at the beginning stages of a global war against Islamic fascism.”
and…
“We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years.” [@Dignitatis Humanae Institute, Vatican 2014. ]
meanwhile:
Burston/Haaretz: “Not only does it [the Vatican speech] predict the imminence and inevitability of a war pitting Christianity against Islam, it obliquely suggests that Jews could find themselves a target for U.S. Christian anger somewhere down the road.”
Interesting, bizarre, lines being drawn:
Bannon’s connections to the religious right are solid, largely through his connection with Cardinal Burke and the discredited Legion of Christ (via Thomas Williams, ex-US-spokesman of the Legion and current head of Breitbart in Rome.)
Burke, who is leader of the anti-Bergoglio contingent at the Vatican (having been twice demoted by the Pope) has made common cause with Matteo Savini’s la Lega nord, among others, and looks to be angling for a leadership position in Europe’s far right. Which, btw, is loving Trump and Bannon but no longer has any use for Francis after his soft-headed remarks on refugees and nationalism.
Great stuff: governance by apocalypse; a messianic return for every taste.
Thank you. That’s an informative comment.
The elephant in the room, of course, is that neither group of right-wing extremists wants to stop the coming apocalypse. There’s no real logic or reasoning involved, not even the logic of revenge.
The humankind is essentially divided into groups on the basis of the qualities their inner self (individual and collective) reflects on a wide range of spectrum, ranging from the lowest to the highest (by definition), while they manifest in diverse outer forms.
Since I have listed those qualities often, I won’t repeat them here.
—-
“Cosmology of the Self” and “The Journey of the Self” at http://www.zahrapublications.com/#sufismAndIslamicPsychologyAndPhilosophy
“Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord”.
Robert Siegel and Ari Shapiro and Nina Totenberg and Mara Liasson and the Klezmer woodwind stylings of All Things Considered appreciate all your financial support.
Do you agree with Bannon about the need to revive “the church militant” because:
Well?
Why don’t you expand the quote into a context that may fill the ellipses and otherwise coincidentally attenuate your argument.
I recognize individual liberty reinforced by strong national boundaries under which it’s practiced as infinitesimal, short-lived experiments on the human timeline that must constantly be defended against insidious progressive leftist attempts at authoritarianism and world government and intentional smudging of international borders through globalism.
That’s non-responsive. Do you agree with Bannon about the “need” to revive the “church militant” because:
As we think about ISIS-Bannon commonalities, It may be instructive (and chilling) to consider that, like the followers of al-Baghdadi, rather significant portions of the American public would be content with rule by their own caliph.
I an piece in today’s Graun, Prof. Austin Sarat considers the fact that. . .
N.B. The latter findings are consistent with my personal experience of millennials. I get really tired of hearing how refreshingly progressive they are.
[. . .]
Oops. That should be “In a,” not “I an.” And I failed to excise the internal links (which don’t show up as links). Ignore.
me too me too, those millennials are the worst
just now amazon has delivered Peace: The Box Set to my door, and after speed-viewing it i’m amazed at how the western canon of democracy since the Age of Enlightenment has been completely ignored!!
all this “peace” and “love” crap, no rational underpinnings of legal rhetoric, no context wrt the civil rights or women’s movements …
it’s just some sort of mental blow job .. these kids should go back to university and take American Jurisprudence 101: Kafka to Breitbart and get some intellectual grounding
That gets to my strongest and greatest concern about Trump and his administration. His brazen attacks on the judiciary could be indicative of his (sooner rather than later) rejecting court orders and refusing to be bound by them.
If that happens it would constitute the complete collapse of the rule of law, which in turn would mean an actual dictatorship.
If that happens it would constitute the complete collapse of the rule of law, which in turn would mean an actual dictatorship.
Indeed, and the study cited by Prof. Sarat suggests that there might not be overwhelming resistance to that dictatorship.
If you close your eyes and listen carefully, I’ll bet you can hear Bannon and his troops chuckling contentedly over these poll results.
i dunno, i don’t have any numbers to point at, but if Bannon and the lads were to come right out, donning their papist hats, brown shirts and holy roller skates . . . i just don’t think that shit would fly.
consider the outright racists, white nationalists and Granpa Simsonesque cold warriors that regularly post right here. after running through their half-baked racist diatribes, declaring the *need* for the poor maligned white race to finally stand up and kick out them jews/muslims/blacks/blah/blah/blah . . . they will invariably exclaim that they aren’t racists and it’s just not fair to call out their bigotry as such, etc.
even these neo-nazis can’t stand to see themselves as such in the light of day. the whole millennial thing gets tossed around pretty casually, but i just don’t see a generation of young Americans who are ready to toe that line.
There’s Trump’s rap, then there’s Trump. Having spent 4 years in the USMC I can tell you that initiating any large scale deployment isn’t going to happen soon. I’m far more concerned with actions that will (not may) be taken domestically. I think the ban was just a trial balloon.
http://thesnugbug.com/true-french-muslin-swaddle-single/
Denmark’s Hygge Aesthetic Is Comfy, Cozy, and Complicit With the Rise of Xenophobic Populism
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/10/danish_hygge_is_cozy_and_also_tied_to_right_nationalist_xenophobic_populism.html
Hm. Xenophobia, Democrats, “Russians are the enemy,”….
Whataboutery is a fallacy.
No whataboutery. The conservative leadership doesn’t view any of these nations as the enemy. It’s just not going to let just every one of its residents in.
By contrast the left wages wars against those nations in the name of progress.
Yes, you are doing whataboutery. That the Democrats have gone unhinged over Russia (in order to avoid their own rottedness) is wholly irrelevant to nationalist righwing xenophobia, including Trump and Bannon’s.
there definitely is a clash of civilizations right now
daesh vs the new crusaders
modern musins and western “universe-ists” envision a happy rainbow future together, but the bomb vesters and drone operators keep spoiling the fun
hopefully we can all purchase Peace: The Box Set at amazon and everything will just work out by itself
Ya know, the fact that you ordered this from Amazon doesn’t necessarily speak well of your intentions…
I don’t think I wanna pay Bannon’s mother fucking allowance anymore. What’re my options?
I’d suggest looking for peaceful and relatively inexpensive migration destinations.
As Stephen Lendman said on his blog “you just could not make this stuff up….”On February 10 in Riyadh, CIA director Mike Pompeo awarded the Middle East’s leading Arab state proliferator of state terrorism at home and abroad with the George Tenet Medal for its “intelligence work in the fight against terrorism.”
Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Nayef, serving as deputy prime minister and minister of interior received the George Tenet Medal. Other Saudi princes and officials attended the ceremony.
In accepting the award, prince Nayef turned truth on its head, saying “Saudi Arabia rejects and denounces strongly terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.”
“The kingdom has been keen to combat terrorism based on its conviction that terrorism has no identity and no religion, and from its belief that the terrorists are committing these acts stemming from their deviant ideologies and evil thought.”
Israel and Saudi Arabia are the region’s leading sponsors of terrorism. Riyadh’s absolute monarchal rule is despotic, lawless and brutal. It’s a police state practicing state terrorism internally and regionally.
The “George Tenet medal”? Seriously, there is such a thing? That explains a lot.
In view of Tenets part in US intelligence failures [lies] in the Iraq war buildup, this medal is a joke. Rather like being presented with a Pol Pot medal for good governance.
The Crusades! A Time-Proven Conflict Marketing Plan since the… wait for it! The 1200’s!…. Talk about devolution…
The Crusades were a direct response to the Ottoman Empire.
The Crusades were a murderous campaign fraught with myths and nonsense over the real estate of Jerusalem. Waging murderous wars, over real estate (becasue of it’s status in one’s religious mythology), is grossly immoral.
Exactly, and, the CHRISTIAN CRUSADES lasted over 400 years. Bannon repeatedly refers to Judeo-Christian “values” as the foundation for his own obsession with a Holy War. The sacrifices will be great, and the devastation of our planet unimaginable if this anti-Christ has his way.
This is a good example of where “a little bit of knowledge is dangerous”.
Check your history – the Crusade of 1204 was co-opted by Venice to have the Vatican backed Christian crusaders sack the Eastern Roman Empire Christian city of Constantinople.
The Ottoman Empire did not really start (in a European context anyways) until the capture of Constantinople in 1453 by Mehmed the Conqueror for Islam.
I guess I could blame it on the school systems lack of emphasis on human history?
Thank you, I had considered making that point about the non-existence of the Ottoman empire at the time that freak implies. He also clearly knows nothing about Pope Innocent III and his murderous, authoritarian agenda.
His “data” largely comes from sites such as infowars. So that’s the level of sophistication he spews.
Except you didn’t because you hadn’t a clue. But neither does james cook.
james cook: The Ottoman Empire was formally recognized as such at the end of the 1200s.
The man for whom the Ottoman empire is named was not even born until 1258 AD. (And it did not become vast, or much of an “empire,” under his leadership.) The first Crusade was called for by the Pope in 1095. You are, as usual, utterly ignorant.
james cook has the first Crusade at 1204. You’re pretty talented at timeline reversal.
Now you are simply lying. The Turkish man for whom the Ottoman empire is named, Osman, was not even born until 1258. Thus, that empire could not have been what the Fourth Crusade (1202-04) was “in response” to.
God, your lunatic beliefs make you so, so fucking stupid.
Empires aren’t made–nor named–in an evening. And james cook has the first Crusade at 1204. You’re pretty talented at timeline reversal.
Again, you are lying: ” And james cook has the first Crusade at 1204. ” He said no such thing. Even the Fourth Crusade, which he did cite, was launched decades before the man for whom the Ottoman empire was named was even born, and well before that empire was begun.
Morever, the Crusades were not launched only against Muslims. Pope Innocent III, for example, slaughtered French “heretics” and other Christians.
Where does your data come from? You even deny the existence of the rat-line that proves Obama illegally armed jihadists in Syria — an article written by Pulitzer prize winning journalist, Seymour Hersh. So stop ranting about Infowars … just to hide Obama’s crimes and your own liberal hypocrisy.
You’e a troll. This is manifestly absurd to claim about me:
Your attempt to fabricate a narrative about how the Nazis were actually leftist gets dumber by the comment.
Socialist Workers Party politics are leftist, Jose.
Using a playbook after Nuremberg to try to point fingers away from themselves won’t work any better for embarassed Obama voters either.
Please, tell all the nice people here, about your other pet theory, to wit: Satanists and the Illuminati are controlling our minds.
As Otis C. Mitchell noted in ‘Hitler’s Stormtroopers and the Attack on the German Republic, 1919–1933′: ” The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.” The name – Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – is just marketing and has nothing to do with the actual party philosophy.
Another leftist attempt to rewrite history after Nuremberg.
You don’t market politics to anything but the progressive left by incorporating “Socialist Workers” into an organization’s name.
No amount of reinventing National as anything but a prefix on NPR will change that. Globalists wage wars on international boundaries.
No reasonable person would consider Mr. Culliton a “leftist.” His other comments would suggest he supports Donald Trump. In any event, he’s no leftist.
He does, however, appear to grasp modern history, which you utterly do not. The Nazis were, as his quote shows, completely invested in “völkisch nationalism.” That was literally their primary motivation.
Mona: That was a profound insult! How in the name of sweet Jesus, did you ever decide that I support Trump?!?! He’s terrifyingly dangerous to America and the world.
Thanks for the history part though.
Sorreee! Perhaps I misread you. Your reply to someone in a thread earlier this week, I read as supportive of Trump. But I was not sure, so I said it was only “suggestive.”
Mea culpa.
“Völks.” “Folks.”
Where have we heard that for the last eight years?
Brilliant. Yeah, keep putting 2 and 2 together. It’s entertaining.
“Völkisch nationalism” is Culliton’s words. That’s your “quote.” Yet another attempt to reinvent leftist smudging of international borders as anything other than progressive globalism and world government.
Plug the phrase “Hitler völkische” into a search engine and report what you find. Or are the Illuminati controlling the search results as well?
And you understand “Völkisch nationalism” emphasis nationalism is Mitchell’s wording.
You understand that you’re disingenuously trying to lead readers to believe the contention was on “Völkisch”–which can’t be farther from the truth. By all means Völkisch is but confirmation of the contemporary progressive left’s infatuation with the word “folks.”
Communete translated: “I don’t know how to use a search engine, so I’m gonna spit out some more non sequiturs.”
Mona translated: “I enjoy creating straw man arguments because I can’t justify my posts.”
Did you search the phrase “Hitler völkische?” You either cannot or will not. The results would reveal your duplicitous inanity.
To bad for your straw man posts, because as you know, the contention isn’t on “Hitler völkische.” It’s on “Völkisch nationalism” emphasis “nationalism,” Mitchell’s wording.
You still haven’t done the search, and likely do not know how. Hitler was a fierce nationalist, one who drew on the political concept of Völkisch. But this is likely not discussed at infowars, so such facts of history you can neither access nor process.
And the dumb (nay, deranged) comments are incessant.
There is no doubt that all is not well within the empire.
What I wonder about is why the primary fixation on WWII or secondary WW1 when looking at history? Neither of these conflicts were primarily religious and neither involved the theology of Islam.
Linking today with just these two conflicts is in a way its’ own – fear mongering. It is very convenient and easy to scare people with something that is still in the conscious memory, but not really the same.
Why not look back, way back – to past events when east and west collided – and there are lots of them in Roman and Vatican history?
I would say that what is happening today has nothing in common with recent past European-based wars – other than the Economic problems that led up to them.
Why not broaden the discussion beyond a fear of recent individual historical bogymen?
Because this is the progressive-left’s currency, its stock in trade. Recite from a playbook after Nuremberg that turns “Socialist Workers” politics on its ear every time the public wises up. One that consistently points fingers away from Socialist Workers from Hitler to Obama.
Because the Western actors are virtually the same as those involved in both world wars, and people comprehend and identify with those wars. Hitler was an ethno-nationalist and committed wars of aggression which consumed the world in a hideous war. Moreover, the “theology of Islam” is not causative in the current situation.
Hyper-nationalism is a poison, and right now the U.S. and it’s president have it on steroids. That’s been dangerous for the world in recent history, and is dangerous now. It’s not the only danger, but it is a big one.
“National”ism as in NPR? “National”ism as in NARAL? “National”ism as in NOW?
You are a deranged freak who thinks this man is an inspiring writer:
You have all the insightful political judgment of David Icke. Reasonable demarcations of left and right, from you, would be so improbable as to approach impossible.
Just drink your KoolAid and go back to sleep.
Another more recent phenomena is that humans have a tendency to fight the next war based on the experience of the last war………only to realize later (sometime too late) that thing have changed.
I am just trying to point out that the clashing of East and West is not new and it is dangerous to just think (fear) recent events of fascism with what the future may hold.
Broadening the thinking about this may not be a bad thing.
Absolutely. And WWII has been used and abused to prosecute multiple immoral wars. The world has been supposedly brimming with a parade of new Hitlers, from Saddam Hussein to Gadaffi.
Like the boy who cried wolf, one of the dangers is when something as dangerous as Hitler actually arises, saying so is likely to be rejected.
Fascism’s most notorious practitioner edited Italy’s premier Socialist newspaper of his day, Avanti! (“Forward!”)
Agree, this is not the playbook Bannon is working from (other than using fear-mongering propaganda of the “other” for his underlying goal, as the Nazi’s did); he borrows from all wars and their military strategies, and has a particular fondness for the Spartans vs the Athenians in terms of military strategy. His reference to 2000-2500 years ago is based on the birth and rise of Christianity, and his own prophesy that we must fight for and reclaim Judeo-Christian dominance to defeat all of Islam, not just its jihadists. Trump, who has his own Messianic delusions, is Bannon’s perfect “dull instrument” to carry out his own Messianic grandeur.
Clash of Civilizations is what the globalists want, not the nationalists.
That’s the purpose of coerced open borders in Europe and the U.S. for waves of ‘refugees’ and other opportunists from globalist-torn regions, as well as by the attempt to fund a $100 milion+ mosque a block from Ground Zero.
As usual with you, you are entirely immune to facts, such as the many iterated in the article to which you are (not) responding. But then, you’ve never evinced a relationship with facts and reality, claiming — among other preposterous things — that Antonin Scalia was murdered by “them” so a Jew would replace him on the High Court.
Tell your buddies to thank US foreign policy. As long as the US and her allies continues to rain bombs, drones and economic and environmental devastation, the muzzies and mexslims will keep coming. Yaay America, we can do it!
It’s not U.S. foreign policy any more. Not since the public wrested control back in2016 from the neocon Rockefeller Republican and other leftist infection that has abscessed Washington, DC for the past quarter century.
Bannon cannot be understood solely as a “nationalist”. The Christian apocalypse is a significant part of his worldview.
When considering the danger of irrational religious beliefs, apocalyptic ones in the hands of people with the power to bring them about, are by far the most dangerous ones. But I bet you don’t care a whole lot about it.
No Internet snark here: He literally cannot comprehend or process such a concept. Irrational beliefs are literally his stock in trade. It is what he does.
I’ve recently been studying Bannon’s pre-Trump philosophy, and he is looking for more than just a civilizational war. He is expecting, if not preparing to instigate a civil war in order to “restore” a moral Christian-supremacist state. Occupy Unmasked and Generation Zero speak to this quite transparently. With Erik Prince in the shadows of the administration to likely provide an on-demand contracted military, Sessions providing lenient oversight of police and security forces, plus Trump’s blatantly Christian-supremacist cabinet, I’m afraid that the civilizational war will also be used as cover for an armed crack down of dissenters in the US, with their full expectation (desire?) that it will lead to an armed civil war. I’m unsure what the best strategy to counter this is, other than exposition and demanding Congress to fight against Trump & Bannon. Sadly, I’m not sure how likely either are right now. Good journalists are probably our best hope for fighting them and educating society before it devolves into chaos. Keep at it Murtaza!
Yes.
Regardless of their so-called just causes, nut-cases everywhere share many common characteristics. Bannon is no different, neither is Trump.
Yes, Maz, exactly. It can hardly be said more pointedly and succinctly than you do here.
Thank you.