The Trump administration has taken sweeping, drastic measures that it says are necessary to protect Americans from the threat of terrorism, including its executive order halting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries. But the radical policies and beliefs of this administration could just as easily end up fueling the narratives of extremist groups fighting the United States. When Trump ran a campaign built on promises to destroy ISIS, how can one explain the fact that supporters of the group in Mosul were reportedly celebrating his Muslim ban?
The order was based on plainly dubious claims about national security, targeting for scrutiny some of the most heavily vetted visitors to the United States. But the tangible purpose it did serve, before being at least temporarily frozen by the courts, was to divide Americans from millions of people in the Muslim world by sending the latter a message of gratuitous insult and contempt — and emboldening the very extremist movements the order was ostensibly directed against.
That kind of polarization may be exactly what some members of the White House want. High-ranking members of the current administration — most notably its chief strategist, Steve Bannon — have publicly espoused apocalyptic theories of history that center on a forthcoming clash between Western countries and the Muslim world, a conflict that many of them seem to perceive as both inevitable and desirable.
There are striking parallels between Bannon’s worldview and the perspective of terrorist groups like the Islamic State, which see the world divided in similarly binary terms — hence their reported enthusiasm for the executive order that Bannon helped author.
A proponent of pseudoscientific theories of history like the “Fourth Turning,” Bannon has predicted the coming of another major U.S. war in the Middle East and a military conflict with what he calls an “expansionist China.” In interviews during the election campaign, Bannon openly described Trump as a “blunt instrument” for his ideological goals.
A 2014 speech that Bannon delivered to an audience at the Vatican provides a hint of what kind of program he might want to use Trump to achieve. In that address, delivered via teleconference, Bannon called for a revival of the tradition of the “church militant,” describing a vague yet apocalyptic threat he claims that Western countries face from both “Islamic jihadist fascism” and their own loss of religious faith.
We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict … to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years.
Now consider how Bannon’s hysterical view of history was echoed that same year in a speech by Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who issued a similarly vague, yet no less frenzied call to arms:
So let the world know that we are living today in a new era. Whoever was heedless must now be alert. Whoever was sleeping must now awaken. … You will face tribulation and fierce battle. … So prepare your arms, and supply yourselves with piety.
Nowhere are these types of ideas particularly popular. While the Islamic State is held up by anti-Muslim activists in the United States as the quintessential expression of Muslim beliefs, in reality the group is deeply loathed in Muslim-majority countries. In the United States, though Trump won the election, his voter base comprised a distinct minority of the electorate. Even among those who did vote for him, few appear to have done so in enthusiasm for the apocalyptic theories of history held by advisers like Bannon. Huge numbers of people have also taken to the streets in opposition to Trump’s executive orders, which has helped to counteract the administration’s anti-Muslim message to the world, showing that it does not represent the views of all Americans.
But it doesn’t take much for a highly motivated minority to spark a broader conflict.
ISIS attacks have been deliberately calibrated to shock and offend the sensibilities of Western publics, a strategy that the group openly refers to as “eliminating the grayzone” of coexistence between societies. Many 19th- and 20th-century revolutionary movements were also led by small, militant vanguards that used violence and provocation to help advance their political programs. In their time, these movements achieved real tactical successes. And even today, despite widespread public war-weariness in the United States, ISIS has accomplished its goal of dragging American troops back into armed conflicts in Iraq and Syria that show little sign of abating.
After a series of improbable successes, the radical right-wing vanguard of U.S. politics has now taken control of the government, along with the most powerful military on the planet. In its enthusiasm for civilizational war, it is just the enemy that a group like the Islamic State needs to help validate its desperate and fanatical narrative.
An early example of the kind of harm that the Trump administration can do came in the form of the first special operations forces raid authorized by Trump after his inauguration. In that operation — reportedly promoted to him over dinner with his advisers — a total of 25 civilians were reportedly killed, including nine children under the age of 13. Among those killed was an 8-year-old U.S. citizen, Nawar al-Awlaki, the daughter of deceased al Qaeda proselytizer Anwar al-Awlaki. Images of Awlaki’s daughter and other victims of the raid were broadcast around the world, fueling widespread outrage.
Days later, the Yemeni branch of al Qaeda publicly denounced Trump for carrying out a “massacre” of civilians. The group promised vengeance, saying that global outrage over the deaths meant that “the flame of jihad has ignited and reached all over the world.”
While that may be an overstatement, it is not hard to see how a cycle of tit-for-tat violence, already tacitly established since the start of the war on terror, could accelerate dramatically under an administration that actively seeks to escalate conflict. Where President Obama sought to calm public fears in the aftermath of ISIS attacks, Trump and his administration will undoubtedly seek to inflame them for political gain. It’s only a matter of time before such an attack occurs, and Trump’s reaction could have consequences that quickly spiral out of control.
In his memoirs, published after his suicide in 1942, the exiled Austrian Jewish writer Stefan Zweig described his feelings of despair upon realizing that a “tiny but loud-mouthed party of German Nationalists” had succeeded in seizing power and dragging humanity into a global conflict it had neither wanted or expected. “The personal cause to which I had lent the force of my convictions, the peaceful union of Europe, had been wrecked,” Zweig lamented. “What I feared more than my own death, war waged by everyone against everyone else, had been unleashed for the second time.”
Seven decades after Zweig penned these words, small, well-organized groups of right-wing radicals are once again ascendant across the world. The best hope to stop them may be the popular opposition movements that have begun to stir in the United States. But most importantly, it will take a rejection of the logic of revenge and collective blame on both sides to prevent the apocalyptic visions of extremists from becoming reality.
Top photo: Senior counselor to the president, Steve Bannon, arrives at the presidential inauguration at the U.S. Capitol in Washington on Jan. 20, 2017.
branching off into fantasy?
ISIS comes batteries-included…it does not need help validating its desparate and fanatical narrative.
The post lightly [edited] for accuracy:
“[I’ve] be[en] the Dick – far too [long] in my opinion.
Respected academics like Samuel Huntington have also proposed similar theories so it is not really [surprising that I can’t come-up with a coherent] political thought. However, [my] ever shrinking, irreversibly [damaged brain frequently produces nonsensical phrases like:] “global anti-globalization movement centered in the greater Middle East.”
It’s more of a [slaughter] as the west [produces and provides the cluster-bombs, missiles, and drones bringing terror to] the Muslim world – with violent extremists [receiving] fund[ing through US proxies]. The Charlie Hebdo massacre (al-Qaeda) is a good example of the [inevitable blowback]. Al-Qaeda is no different than ISIS – using a[mple] western [support] to promote a jihadists war a[s] the west [stokes the violence] to fulfill the anti-democratic reestablishment of [control over Middle East oil].
[As a result, m]illions of Muslims have [fled] to Europe principally from the greater Middle East (including North Africa)[; coincidently, that’s where the west and its quislings have unleashed the most violence. Go figure.] The pace of [destruction] has [been] ex[traordinary;] some [innocent people] have rejected European [demands that they stay put and just hope and pray their families aren’t starved or blown to smithereens] (essentially).
Far right anti-[Muslim bigots couldn’t care less that this has lead to] increased terrorism in Europe and elsewhere – and the 5000(+) Muslims who have left Europe to join ISIS. The [neocons and their “liberal” warhawks] promoted the wholesale increase in Muslim [slaughter] with [obvious lies about WMDs and democracy promotion while proclaiming] good intentions, but the fallout was predictable. Germany [is just one] example of [what happens when a government acquiesces to the hegemonic demands of the elite-serving global superpower]. Bannon and Trump draw their support from [disaffected] people in the US.
A[merican support for a]uthoritarian rulers in the Middle East [is primarily to] blame for the violence associated with jihadists. [Democracy] has been marginalized [consis]tently for the past century [as the US unleashed horrific] violence [on the] like[s of] Libya and Syria. Al-Sissi [- with the necessary American military support so obvious that the accompanying toothless public “tut-tutting ” by US officials could only fool a rube -] violently overthrew the elected Morsi government murdering hundreds of protesting [Egyptians]. The Muslim Brotherhood is now designated a terrorist organization in Egypt [as is every democratically elected Arab government]. Over half of the population in Egypt voted for the MB candidate. As long as the political powers in the [US] marginalize [Muslim] populations, this will increase the violence as well as the membership of jihadists organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda. The Muslim Brotherhood is a fundamentalist Islamic organization, but proved (in Egypt at least) that it was willing to work within the democratic process[; therefore, it is a “terrorist group”]
The Trump policy of smashing ISIS (and al-Qaeda) is a good idea [which I explicitly opposed previously in comments here]. ISIS is not interested in becoming a part of the political process [in the same way I’m not interested in morality or consistency]. They do not serve the promotion of democracy in the Middle East [which doesn’t really bother me,] a self-serving, violent, anti-democratic racist. . .”
At this point the best hope to stop the war between Christians and Muslims is that the Christians have to ask for their movement back. I mean, a clash of civilizations is inevitable – one side follows a true martyr with a message of hope faith and love, the other follows a pirate. But the Christians should not rest easy with civilian casualties, torture, oppression, inhumanity, unjust war. Armed with relentless weapons like mercy, repentance, honesty, and justice, they could smash aside enemies and unhinged “friends” alike, and leave a world yet worth fighting for.
I’ve heard Jesus figures very prominently as an honored prophet in Islam.
Islamic people kill more Islamic people than people of any other religion. Jesus is one of their prophets but it makes little difference to their war for power and resources.
Which actually proves my point that religion is never the reason why people fight, but it definitely helps people to rationalize after they have killed a few, provided they have not used suicide-bombs to do their trick.
Excusing violence and greed is something the West and many of its allies also do very well, permitting corporatism, militarism and imperialism to be weaponized in the name of Full Spectrum Dominance. People like Bannon and George W. Bush, as you indicate, put a religious veneer upon these atrocities, but as with so-called ‘Islamic extremists’ the religious fervor takes on a life of its own – worsening the situation to troublingly apocalyptic dimensions shared by Jews, Christians and Muslims alike. And this is the subject at hand.
Christian people kill more Christian people than people of any other religion, but when it comes to killing Muslims, Christians prefer to do it from a remote distance — letting patriotic software developers do their trick.
Islam is the closest to Christianity than any other religion in the world when it comes to Jesus, as far as Islam’s primary and the earliest source, the Quran, is concerned (save the beliefs the Muslims developed later based on other sources):
1. Jesus was born to Virgin Mary.
2. He was a Word from God.
3. He was the Messiah. Messiah = Word
4. They did not slay the Messiah. That is, Word, that is, his Divine side, did not die, leaving the possibility of his human side being crucified.
5. He performed miracles.
6. He brought God’s message.
The conflicts between Christians and Muslims are unfortunate consequence of sibling rivalries, exclusivistic tendencies, hatred and materialistic gains.
Many see in the other religion a competitor for the hearts and souls of humanity.
Wnt is a bona fide in-house anti-Islam. He thinks he understands The Islam. He does not.
I find rivalries between religions utterly repulsive, so thanks for speaking up. It seems unlikely to me that an evidence of ‘spiritual goodness’ is to so lack virtue that thought is reduced to infantile “My god’s better than your god” nonsense. If love is far from one’s heart religion can be quite hideously evil and mentally ruinous, and for what it’s worth my strident objections to faith do not apply to those like you who pointedly eschew the rank egotism and exclusivity that orthodoxies generally encourage.
Every single human being has access to that indescribable zone, or light if you will.
But the ego gets in the way.
Organized religions are not helping much in terms of enabling humans to stop seeing otherness.
Which is why the religion of Wnt is as much at fault as any other organized religion, as one can see how exclusivist he tends to be, just like how exclusivist many Muslims tend to be.
“The conflicts between Christians and Muslims are unfortunate consequence of sibling rivalries, exclusivistic tendencies, hatred and materialistic gains.”
Correction:
“The conflicts between communities and nations are unfortunate consequences of …”
Hitler and Napoleon were Christians, unfortunately.
Thank you for your many efforts to teach and bring understanding of Faith. We all are people of the Book. I wonder if the soldiers of ISIS, as I in my youth, every gazed at the wall to wall stars in a desert night and wonder how many Books are out there.
The dead in Quebec have been buried. So you can resume sending pigs’ heads to your Muslim neighbors. Recall, I requested you to hold off after that terror attack against the Muslims?
Or, perhaps you can learn from this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/man-who-hated-muslims-refugees-omaha_us_589ca5d0e4b04061313c13f0?gulb30hv1icp1ra4i&
You actually get paid for this shit?
Benito on drugs. Nobody pays either, imo.
Is Mona’s neurotic thread posting volume over the years intimidating readers who may want to participate in the forums but are reluctant to because of the avalanche of Mona’s compulsive jacking of almost every thread?
Below you offensively used the epithet “tranny.” How do you imagine many, including transgendered people, would feel about that?
The context is the NY Times knowingly pushed the agenda every day, and you know that. I also don’t care about your neuroses and willful shit disturbing over politically expressive language.
There is no “context” in which a decent person hurls the word “tranny,” or strongly implies that a site writing sympathetically about transgendered people is bad, using that sympathy as evidence. Your have an obsession with both real and imagined “leftist” persons and venues that is part and parcel of your bizarre, pro-Trump, and deeply ugly worldview.
Mona the compulsive threadjacker commands 64 posts out of 175 on this thread. A full 37% of the comments on this page belong to her.
It’s still not her personal best on TI.
Which “hijacking” will continue as I, e.g., debunk you on inane and false claims about the Crusades and the Ottoman Empire.
BTW, among the questions you have not answered about your…peculiar assertions, one is here.
People are finding it very difficult to rationalize President Trump’s ban on the seven countries. That is because they are either calling it Muslim ban or terrorist ban, neither of which it actually is. However, if you look at it strictly from a jobs perspective, along with the border wall designed to keep cheap labor out, the mist will start to clear. The purpose of creating jobs within the country will be destroyed if those jobs did not employ the people who voted him to power, and instead employed Somalis and Iranians who should anyway stay back home and help to build their country.
Donald Trump and his Department of Justice have not defended the ban on the grounds you cite. Their explicit excuse is “national security,” which is how they’ve defended it in court.
C’mon Mona, you know better. A few terrorists can cause some major inconveniences, but on a grand scale it is nothing really to worry about. We can pull them out whenever we want, wherever we want. They don’t really terrorize us, and neither should we be scared when we have faced down greater adversaries.
But this terror business is easier to sell. If we told the courts its about jobs our powerful corporations will start their mutiny.
I don’t know about “civilizational war,” as I think you’re ultimately skirting around the elephant in the room, even while addressing its more fringe elements:
All extremist tribal-deity-worshippers involved want a religious conflict, because religion is at its root primitive, childish, superstitious and phenomenally dangerous. If a faith is so internally hysterical (and all religious orthodoxies are) as to not produce a sensible person it should be treated as causative of mental imbalance, as no one calling themselves “spiritual” resembles anything but a lunatic ‘witch doctor’ when they can not see that the grotesquely exclusivist external trappings of their faith are entirely opposed to the qualities of goodness, kindness and empathy which they purportedly support.
I have never met a religious person who was not slightly deranged (sometimes pleasantly, mostly not) and inappropriately confident about nonsense. The God of religion does not exist – it was rightly pronounced dead over a hundred years ago.
“Civilization” needs to grow up and take personal responsibility for the beautiful potentialities of virtuous mind and neither restrict the wonders of consciousness with the dogmatism of materialist atheism (which can be equally stale and binding) nor the institutionalized folkloric musings of primitive knuckleheads from millennia ago.
We want to hear again how you’re just a college student swimming with the big fish, the Debbie Matenopoulos of The Intercept.
I wish I got the joke – perhaps you do have a sense of humor, it’s just lost on me. I looked Debbie Matenopoulos (almost 20 years my senior) up on Wikipedia to see if I could get a hint, and it said there that she was parodied on SNL as an “uninformed ditz,” so maybe that’s where you’re going. Well, ha ha! You told me! I guess I should watch more TV, if I want to keep up with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRJU9iKdtg
Yes, Isn’t it amazing how Maisie’s views and form of expression so closely align with Mona’s… Hey Maise, tell us again how this is your last day of posting in a manner that was, and continues to be, eerily reminiscent of Mona’s “where’s Waldo” charade. s few months back.
You are drooling. In point of fact, Maisie and I have frequently disagreed, sometimes strenuously. You actual issue with me is that I call out your disgusting racism and affinity for the white supremacist (and fellow Trumper)who just landed here.
I’m addicted to this place, much to many people’s annoyance including my girlfriend (bisexual and proud!) – however, soon (within weeks) it won’t really be an option as I’ll simply have to more carefully manage my time, but until then you’re stuck with me at least now and then. I’m frankly honored that you think I’m Mona, as she’s a powerhouse with whom I do, as you say, mostly agree. (But I must admit to being a bit jealous that she could just call up Greenwald for a chat, as that must be awesome.)
Not any more I can’t. Ever since Snowden for anything remotely personal and serious he’s totally encrypted, and I’m just not. I do, however, have an offer from Doug to get me there. He’s got the techie skills I so lack.
Sorry to hear that. Glad Doug can help.
Maisie, have you taken any courses in religious studies? While I am also an atheist and agree with aspects of your view, I’d recommend a scholarly examination of religion as both a sociological and psychological phenomenon. It’s more nuanced than you present.
Can’t say I’m interested in the ‘nuances’ of vicious fables, superstitions and irredeemably misogynist creepshows, no matter how they wish to disguise or escape their unpleasantly exclusivist and fairytale-dependent origins, but thanks for your input.
To dismiss all religion and the individuals who are religious in that manner is misanthropic, and in this case, anti-intellectual.
I’m not misanthropic, and I only speak this way when it’s relevant to the discussion. I see nothing ‘intellectual’ about studying dangerous nonsense as though it was remotely worthy of literal acceptance by anyone. I studied Greek Mythology, and it was described as such. Perhaps if a course appears similarly dissecting religious thought as inappropriate but psychologically telling of the communities originating it, that could be worth something to me. I’ll look out for that.
Not sure you’ll find one that is also moralizing on the appropriateness of having such thoughts; but if it’s a good class or book you’ll find evidence and narratives that will allow you to reaffirm that conviction, no problems at all.
I’ll look around once I have more time, then. Most I’ve seen described are so respectful of religious orthodoxy that I know I’ll get steamed in no time and probably say something in class more offensive than is really necessary.
It’s possible misanthrophy should be the default, objective position, if humanity as a whole (or >50% of humans or something) sucks. Whether towards each other or anything non-human.
There certainly isn’t any innate goodness just from being a human. Nor any innate potential for rational thought, considering the majority believe in fairy tales. No matter why–psychological relief, tradition from early times, humans believe in some pretty stupid things, and if not the cause of a lot of bad shit is used as justification for such.
Being anti-theist, or even anti-human, can be considered a moral position depending on chosen axioms. And can be consistently logical (except of course for the axioms–all moralities are derived from initial subjective oughts), so “intellectual”.
Both you and Maisie evince a superficial understanding of religion. It is not only, or always, a collection of myths (and those myths are not always believed literally).
Religion is the consideration of Ultimate Questions. The specific answers, especially as propounded by literalists, can be absurd and harmful. But humanity’s consideration of how it is that we should live together is important, and religion seeks to give those answers.
I’m an atheist. One who has more in common with the Sufi Muslims, the Berrigan Brothers and the Gandhis of this world than I do a great many atheists. They seek/sought to live centered lives, to stand for justice, and acknowledge the ineffability of the universe and existence.
Our five primary senses almost certainly do not tell us all there is to know about this universe. We are limited. None of the notions of an anthropomorphic deity who intervenes in the affairs of humankind strike me as remotely plausible. But I also realize I simply do not, and cannot know what is ultimately real. Not through empiricism. Attempts at other ways of knowing, depending on how they would apply answers, are not per se illegitimate.
I said earlier, for what it’s worth (in the initial comment about this):
(emphasis added)
Which is similar in its way to your “But I also realize I simply do not, and cannot know what is ultimately real.” I just find religion on the whole too much of a backward-looking philosophical mindset with dangerously inappropriate roots to be worthy of respect – though some (too few)practitioners do indeed accomplish surprising results with what I perceive to be the despicable and unnecessary limits they accept for themselves.
I sincerely think you’d find some religious studies courses deeply fascinating. At least as it’s approached at a secular university, it’s both subversive of the worst aspects of literalist, organized religion while at the same time illuminating about the role of religion in human culture and psychology.
Among other things, it can really open one’s eyes to the ways in which nationalism is usually attended by civil religion, often to great harm. American civil religion is not at all innocuous. I recall first learning it was Jehovah’s Witnesses who took the coerced reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance (in school) to the Supreme Court; they regard it as idolatrous, and it arguably actually is.
The other thing I learned was how the mystics in all religions, from the Sufis of Islam, to the contemplative monks of Christianity and Buddhism, have more in common with one another than they do with their nominal co-religionists. In general (tho not invariably) they’re some of the best people in their respective cultures and countries.
No. Religion is never the “reason” for any conflict. However, religion is a very important “tool” in all conflicts. Religion helps to align people in ways that they would in their right minds otherwise question. The war rooms where battles are strategized are not temples and churches. Religion is left to the propagandists to recruit and motivate the troops.
That’s more like it! Satire that even I can recognize!
I am not into satire, but if that helps to dispel animosity I welcome your thought.
People on this sub must understand that the comments made by commenters such as Communete are dynamic mirror images of the posts currently being made on https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/, which, along with 4chan and Voat, is a virtual conveyor belt, factory, nearly direct-to-mind delivery system, and disseminator of the most toxic and intellectually offensive effluvia imaginable. The purpose of incessantly delivering such cretinisms both here and there is of course, and as Apple’s Tim Cook recently directly stated, to “kill…people’s minds,” in other words to subject people to intense psychological aggressions and perturbations, and more generally to render toxic the commentary ecosystems of serious forums such as this. Among their aims to afflict unwary people with Internet-effected forms of PTSD via the most incessant and toxic cretinization of otherwise honest and sincere dialogues and conversation.
While I believe there’s a great deal of truth to what you write, it';s also the case that some of these individuals are True Believers; Communete certainly seems to be. He’s been intermittently (with some bans inbetween appearances) afflicting Glenn Greenwald’s comment space for at least four years.
Either way, this post-fact cohort that’s also wed to sheer unreason is dangerous. Where truth and reality simply do not matter anything can and does happen — it’s the perfect petri dish for fascism.
That’s cute, considering that history’s most notorious fascist edited Italy’s premier Socialist newspaper of his day, “Avanti!” (“Forward!”).
Non sequitur.
Well, knowing next to nothing about 4chan and reddit, and never even having heard of Voat, it’s interesting, if disturbing, to be told that the conspiranoid nutjobs we see here as random, individual conspiranoid nutjobs are in some way parts of a larger whole.
Do you think the madness was induced by participation at the sites you mention, or merely exacerbated once the already-deranged found each other and interchanged pathologies?
If they have as a goal “afflict[ing] unwary people with Internet-effected forms of PTSD,” for what purpose do they seek to accomplish this? Just shits and grins?
Communete is an old-school paleo-conservative infected with ‘Alex Jones’ type of conspiracy-theory defenses against perceived threats to masculinity, U.S. sovereignty and Christianity. Where Jones is (misguidedly) passionate and occasionally amusing and sincere, however, Communete is humorless, cold and extremely bitter about everything perceived as left-wing.
Ignoring the fact that “cretinism” is a “condition of severely stunted physical and mental growth owing to untreated congenital deficiency of thyroid hormone”, I think that you might be onto something here. There are a number of theories to which I have been subjected to in this venue that are presented as undeniable fact: Let’s revisit a few for clarity sake:
1. There is no such thing as a conspiracy except those which have been proven and rubber stamped by Chomsky and/or Mona.
2. Osama bin Laden was solely responsible for the attacks of 911. In complete absence of a crime scene investigation, these attacks were laid at the feet of a salafist-jihadist who was American trained and Saudi funded for decades. Yet, inexplicably, he has never been indicted for the attacks.
3. Everything that the US intelligence community reports is either an exaggeration or an outright lie except for that which can be used to construct a potentially effective, countervailing narrative to US foreign policy.
4. Three high-rise, steel frame buildings collapsed at near free-fall speed in a single day due to “office fires that burned out of control.” But wait, the temperature generated from office fires simply does not have the capacity to weaken structural steel – especially when it is coated with fire retardants. Oh well… if long term, government funded corporations says that it is true then science must take a back seat.
5. The North Vietnamese attacked an American ship in the Gulf of Tonkin which, in turn, necessitated an escalation of hostilities. Oh sorry, that one has been debunked and rubber stamped by Chomsky (my bad).
6. White civilization is responsible for all of the evils in the world.
7. There is no evidence that people are being surreptitiously “chipped” with subcutaneous RFID tracking devices as part of a larger campaign of electronic harassment; yet states are passing laws to prohibit exactly that. Neither is there any evidence that such technology is intend to be deployed in mass as a precursor to a cashless society.
8. There is no evidence (empirical or otherwise) that microwave radiation causes cancer. Therefore cell phones and cellphone towers and other microwave generating devices should be deemed as no threat to ones own health, or to the generations that follow.
9. The US founding fathers were all racists. The US constitution was solely written by white, christian racists. Racism in the US is systemic in nature. The US constitution was not written in a way that would eventually lead to the abolition of slavery. No progress toward racial equality has been made within American society since the ratification of the constitution. White Christians were not responsible for the creation of the abolitionist movement. White christian sensibilities did not inform the opinions of those who endeavored to abolish all forms of discrimination within American society. Black Lives Matters is not a Soros-funded, race separatist organization whose ideas and aims are are fueled by white hatred.
10. Bernie Sanders is not a tool of the DNC in particular and a corporately managed shill of the duopoly in general.
11. Mankind is on the cusp of extinction due to anthropogenic global warming. Well, yes that is a debate killer. But hey, if consensus opinion deems it to be true, then there is no need for dissenting opinion. But wait, didn’t consensu opinion hold the the sun revolved around the earth at one time…?
12. Forced migration is not an intended outcome of regime change and established protocols of pacification.
13. There is no secret plan to create a global government and/or one all-encompassing economic system.
14. JP Morgan was solely responsible for undermining the growth of the electric car industry in America; instead, he promoted the fossil fuel industry in service to his own economic interests at the time. (My bad, that too has been rubber stamped by Chomsky)
15. The Council on foreign Relations is the mean by which the Corporate community imposes its will on the creation and implementation of US foreign policy. But wait, weren’t the Birchers ridiculed and marginalized for claiming exactly that? Well if Chomsky now says that it is so…
16. Leading elements from within the corporate establishment (e.g, Chamber of Commerce) have conspired to undermine the growth and evolution of organized labor with in the US for more that six decades (and, by extension, the middle class itself). Although 99% of Americans have never heard of this conspiracy, Chomsky insists that it was conceived and implemented in a way that was easy for all to see. There are none so blind…
17. It is impossible for the government and/or the dark state to keep a secret. Errr wait, remind me again: What is the dark state?
18. Those who do not reflexively accept as fact the findings of all government funded commissions (e.g. Warren, 911, Whitewater, Pearl Harbor, Church etc., etc., etc.) or share the consensus opinion as expressed by Intercept writers and/or the self appointed gate keepers (in all of their guises) are either tin foil hat conspiracy nuts or cretins…
total nonsense.
here is some more fake stuff from the neocons at the nyt
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/02/10/fake-news-huffpo-invents-steve-bannon-war-pope-francis/
Here is the real deal
President Donald Trump is sick of America being trashed out by elected lawyers who feed like tics on the blood of mainstreet. The elected lawyers are all PO’d at having to take orders from a non-ABA guy, they really hate it. They condemn him for his lack of legal expertise and continuously berate him for not having lawyerly credentials.
JESUS HAD THE SAME PROBLEM.
All those words to describe the symptom, when only a few will describe the disease. Two of the three Abrahamic religions have the same demands on adherents, they must convert others. Those simple words define the virus that infects our world more and more, amplified by beliefs in non-existent supernatural beings that are manipulated for never ending quest for power. Humans like Bannon and his equivalents lie hate murder and war to expand the quest, to be pursued until love and peace, the basis of these religions are epically destroyed, and this world descends again into dark ages. The cure is available, to begin to understand that the power sought is a tool of not gods but of another non-existent supernatural being Satan in the form of humans, and those who use it for their own ends are truly evil. Our leaders are too easily manipulated by these gods, the only way to free our society of this scourge is for all of us to free ourselves of religion’s influence. We don’t need to be propagandized to learn to have concern for each other, we don’t need to have non-existent supernatural beings forced down our throats to show we can work together to achieve the heights we are capable of.
’cause humans never engage in mass murder for ideologies outside of religion?
“Two of the three Abrahamic religions have the same demands on adherents, they must convert others.”
there is a rarely known reason for that:
mathematics of population growth;
in most simple terms population growth (of a sexually reproducing species)
is described by a set of coupled differential equations ;
these equations will lead to either growth of the population or the decline and eventual extinguishing of the population,
these equations / modesl give a critical number to the population , if this number is undershot, the population will die ;
different groups , e.g. relgious groups, without actually knowing about the underlying dynamics struggle to keep their numbers above that limit.
If you want to know more or have doubts , look it up under (sorry for that reference, no offence mean ) “pest control” or “endagered species “.
“Two of the three Abrahamic religions have the same demands on adherents, they must convert others”
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We don’t try to convert anyone. We have non Muslims in our Sufi group. There are many, many other Muslims who don’t try to convert anyone either.
So I guess we didn’t get the memo, and are bad Muslims.
Too Close for Comfort –How much do the early days of the Trump administration look like the Third Reich? Historian Richard Evans weighs in.
I don’t share all of Evans’ conclusions, but he’s worth considering.
Isn’t that normally reserved for Israel, Mona? However, this is what the alt left supported in lieu of HRC – a kinder, more “realist” foreign policy that caves to the desires of Russia.
Readers: About 95% of the time I do not reply to Craig Summers, who is an authoritarian, pro-torture, Zionist Republican who said he was a Trump-voter. Multiple commenters asked that I not reply to Craig because doing so causes him to post yet more walls of drivel-text, which pollutes the board.
Only a narcissist would think anyone cares. Moreover you’ve written the same paragraph over three dozen times in the past year.
And will write it again most times that individual replies to me. He knows this, and can avoid seeing it again by simply not replying to my comments.
I look forward to your running and hiding. You have responded enough for me to conclude that you are hiding when you don’t respond. For example:
Do you have any statistics on the percentage of Zionists in the US that hate Arabs, Mona?
Of course you don’t…….
Reply.
A light reading of Volker Ullrich’s book, Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939, is recommended.
I do lightly ridicule TrumpaLumps by calling their “Dear Leader” AhmadiTrump, but in all seriousness, as characterized by the Guardian, these are dangerous people:
“As the author notes, his dismantling of the fragile democratic norms should have come as no surprise. Hitler had always been frank about his intentions. His coalition partners either thought he wasn’t serious, or they could control him.”
Yes. My greatest fear regarding Trump is that he and his administration will decide not to obey court orders. The two segments of the citizenry with government guns — law enforcement and the military — preponderantly support him. So, would they obey him or would they obey the courts?
I don’t know, and dread seeing it tested.
The compulsive threadjacker Mona in the lead–again–lapping the rest of the field with 27% of this thread’s posting volume. Not her record though.
Yup, I’ve hijacked the thread by, inter alia, showing you literally make shit up about world history. You do not even know when either the Crusades or the Ottoman Empire began and simply fabricate garbage.
You can expect I’ll continue with similar debunking.
CNN is by definition fake news. Here’s a vignette from its reporting from the Iraq Gulf War, 1990:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LK9a8AT2b8&t=7m0s
This is high comedy.
Conspiranoid nonsense. More conspiranoid nonsense. Endless fucking conspiranoid nonsense.
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-cnns-fake-news-broadcasts-charles-jaco-and-the-fake-live-gulf-war-reports.t1140/
The footage is right there in front of you, Doug. Any reader can see and listen to the correspondents.
Don’t try to disclaim it by dragging someone’s straw man interpretation of the footage into what is clearly comedy.
Are you trying to ‘debunk’ this as CNN-originated footage? Because it is CNN reporting.
Yes. CNN reporting from the Dharhan International Hotel, where the Saudis and US authorities sequestered the media.
That’s exactly what it is.
As you know, I’ve long objected to the deranged litter of crapflooding this one promiscuously commits here (and which has gotten him banned more than once). But at this particular moment it’s useful to have him slinging it around so people like us can show what the typical Trump acolyte is.
He hasn’t yet fully held forth on his claim that “they” killed Scalia, and why it was they wished to have him replaced by a Jew on the High Court — or even why that would even be anyone’s goal. Should he do so I’d certainly bookmark it for future use as an illustration of the Trump “thinker.”
Why, it’s obvious. There are currently five Catholics and only three Jews on the Court. How are they gonna complete their takeover of our once-great nation with only a minority at the highest level of our judiciary?
Doug Damn It All To Hell Salzmann,
It’s because Mona is willfully misrepresenting the comment. The post asserted that Scalia was assassinated in part to cover for the potential impending loss for the Democrats of the upcoming election. If Hillary lost, at least the high court would have a leftist-sympathizing composition. It allowed them time for a giggling Obama to show up not 24 hours later with yet another Jewish liberal, stacking the court with even more of them.
You know that Mona regularly misrepresents comments to Intercept readers.
I see. And who exactly assassinated Scalia (was it not the Illuminati you have other times fingered?), how, and why did you specify it would have to be a Jew that replaced him?
37 posts out of 135, 27% of the posting volume on this thread alone, is Mona.
Par for the progressive left, Mona points fingers at anybody and anything other than herself. She treats Glenn’s space like her personal Facebook.
please bring back gert, and GMO-gert for that matter
definitely a more involved technical process than just posting junk here .. looks like that old “video toaster” stuff people used to do about 20 years ago
none of this stupidity is nearly as good as salon used to be … the past really is dead
although kudos to mona for trying to maintain a serious discussion via her sock puppets
I don’t use multiple accounts. Glenn Greenwald, who has administrative access to ISP addresses and can tell where in the world accounts are posting from, has stated that explicitly.
if this place had avatars and sidebar text chat we could all re-live those fun glory days of web release 2.0
to get some net-hygge during difficult times … it is not to be i guess
We tried to do avatars here early on — I had one. But to make them appear entailed having one’s account here linked to another site that hosted the avatar, which caused all kinds of issues.
My avatar was the best avatar. It was so great!
Mr. Hussain
Bannon is fast becoming the new Dick Cheney of the Trump administration – the new Darth Vader – far too early in this administration in my opinion.
“………Steve Bannon — have publicly espoused apocalyptic theories of history that center on a forthcoming clash between Western countries and the Muslim world, a conflict that many of them seem to perceive as both inevitable and desirable…….”
Respected academics like Samuel Huntington have also proposed similar theories so it is not really out of the mainstream of political thought. However, it’s not apocalyptic – just a phase in the ever shrinking, irreversibly globalized world. Islamic fundamentalism (like Christian fundamentalism) is a global anti-globalization movement centered in the greater Middle East. It’s more of a clash of cultures and values between the west and the Muslim world – with violent extremist making up a small percentage of the Muslim fundamentalists. The Charlie Hebdo massacre (al-Qaeda) is a good example of the clash of cultures. Al-Qaeda is no different than ISIS – using anti-western propaganda to promote a jihadists war against the west to fulfill the anti-democratic reestablishment of the Caliphate.
Millions of Muslims have relocated to Europe principally from the greater Middle East (including North Africa). The pace of immigration has exceeded the pace of assimilation and some immigrants have rejected European values while living in poor, (essentially) segregated Muslim enclaves. Far right anti-immigrant political parties in Europe have thrived on the increased terrorism in Europe and elsewhere – and the 5000(+) Muslims who have left Europe to join ISIS. The left in Europe promoted the wholesale increase in Muslim immigrants/refugees with good intentions, but the fallout was predictable. Germany represents the best example of a leftist leadership ignoring concerns by the people in Germany who have banded together with the far right for political clout. Bannon and Trump draw their support from these same people in the US. They are as much a function of the government ignoring their concerns as racism.
Authoritarian rulers in the Middle East share in the blame for the violence associated with jihadists. Political Islam has been marginalized violently at times for the past century which pushed some Islamists to violence during the Arab Spring – like Libya and Syria. Al-Sissi violently overthrew the elected Morsi government murdering hundreds of protesting Islamists supporters. The Muslim Brotherhood is now designated a terrorist organization in Egypt. Over half of the population in Egypt voted for the MB candidate. As long as the political powers in the Middle East marginalize their populations, this will increase the violence as well as the membership of jihadists organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda. The Muslim Brotherhood is a fundamentalist Islamic organization, but proved (in Egypt at least) that it was willing to work within the democratic process.
The Trump policy of smashing ISIS (and al-Qaeda) is a good idea. ISIS is not interested in becoming a part of the political process. They do not serve the promotion of democracy in the Middle East. They are a self-serving, violent, anti-democratic, racist organization.
Bannon is already much worse than Cheney, moving very quickly as the Trump whisperer to justify an eventual Holy War. Cheney was a neocon without the Armageddon obsession, oil and corporate power his bottom line. Yes, ISIS and al Qaeda, should be destroyed, and you provide a fairly accurate summary of why, through decades of marginalization, (and I would add Western, and Russian hegonomy), they grew. Bannon wants to destroy not just ISIS and AQ, but the entire Muslim religion. He disavows that there are inherent “Judeo-Christian” values within the 3rd branch of monotheism, Islam. Just like ISIS, Bannon wants a Christian caliphate, and Trump, with no historical perspective, no intellectual integrity or insight, will go along, as the great disrupter and “provacateur” he proudly proclaims as his greatest deal-making skill. All we have to do is trust him, and it will all be fixed. Bannon must be stopped.
Thanks for your reply. I guess we will have to watch how the policies of Trump shake out with regard to the Middle East and Muslims. If Bannon is a great influence on Trump and he believes as you say, that will also come out in time.
Thanks.
All dissent is now called paid protesters, violence or fake news. We desperately need to move Dems out of the way. They’re a phony opposition, incapable of organizing to counter childish propaganda that seems to work. For instance, there are people who actually believe 3-5 million illegals voted. This is how dumb Americans can be. I’m trying to understand why anyone would believe that lie. It’s infuriating that politicians feel confident enough to repeat it.
Agreed. As much as I already held contempt for Democrats before this last election, watching them become divorced from fact and reason over Russia was a new level of disturbing.
The infowars crowd love Trump and Bannon. The antidote to that must heavily include reason and devotion to facts. A Democratic Party gone as removed from reason and fact as they’ve become (albeit with different motives) cannot help counter Trumpian madness.
It’s all over:
_”Illegal Voting Gets Texas Woman 8 Years in Prison, and Certain Deportation“_ –New York Times, February 10, 2017
_”Illegal Immigrants Found on Voter Rolls Before Crucial NC Senate Vote“_ -FOX News, Oct. 24, 2014
_”Feds should worry less about Russia, more about illegal voters“_
“”I’ve worked in six locations across the United States. I’ve probably arrested more than a thousand illegal aliens in my career, and I routinely encounter people in possession of voter registration cards,” Immigration and Customs Special Agent Claude Arnold said in a recent interview on Fox News. Just imagine if we applied Arnold’s sample of illegal immigrant voters to our entire illegal immigrant population in the US of 12 to 22 million.
“J. Christian Adams, president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation, recently unearthed more than 1,000 alien voters in eight counties in the swing state of Virginia. These illegal voters were discovered almost by accident and represent a much larger problem according to Adams.” -The Hill, Dec. 30, 2016
In California, all bets are off:
_”Experts: California voter registration system ‘highly susceptible’ to fraud“_ -FOX News, February 1, 2017
From your NYT link:
The notion that 3-5 million foreign nationals are voting in U.S. elections is literally preposterous. Of all the issues to be concerned about, that is not on any reasonable person’s list.
Those are just the ones your beloved, hard-leftist NYT admits to.
You think the Illuminati plotted to murder Antonin Scalia to place a Jew on the Supreme Court, so of course it’s also your absurd belief that the NYT is “hard-leftist.”
Only delusional infowars devotees such as you find it believable that 3-5 million foreign nationals are voting in U.S. elections.
You’ve taken leave of your senses if you argue that the gun-control whining, anthropogenic Climate Change squealing, Equality chanting, tranny pushing, public employee union promoting, immigration reform promoting, Obamacare preserving, NYT is not hard-leftist.
I think I’ll just let that sit there. You discredit yourself and Trump just by spitting out what you do.
it’s obvious that danish hygge and The Perfect Swaddle are having no effect whatsoever here
which is a real tragedy
even drone ops and the bomb-vesters themselves might enjoy some smoked herring right from the can
or a cozy evening spend huddled up next to an electric wall heater, staring cross-eyed at the laptop screen
when Peace: The Box Set hits the big screen America must be ready to turn away from televised professional sports and CNN … because it’s time to purchase Ugg boots, flavored condoms, and krugerrands
CNN cuts off Bernie Sanders after he implies to Erin Burnett that her channel is fake news:
““Well I don’t know. Maybe he [Trump] was watching CNN fake news,” Bernie jests attempting to mock Trump, before asking, “What do you think?”
““It was a joke!” the senator explains to a somewhat bewildered Burnett, but it was too late – the senator was cut off and he stopped receiving audio to his earpiece.”
http://www.infowars.com/awkward-cnn-cuts-off-bernie-sanders-after-he-calls-them-fake-news/
How’s about we do some basic math for Mr. Bannon:
Bangladesh–145,607,000
Egypt–73,800,000
India–172,000,000
Indonesia–204,847,000
Iran–74,819,000
Nigeria–93,839,000
Pakistan–178,000,000
Just those 7 countries alone–roughly 1 billion Muslims. There’s an additional 700 million spread out all over the globe. You think the 2.2 billion “Christians” in the world are interested in ponying up their lives and money to go to war with Islam all over the globe?
America hasn’t fought a multi-front war by itself ever. Iraq and Afghanistan have roughly 60 million Muslim residents between the two of them. America had all it could handle in both, and neither Iraq or Afghanistan had a viable military. They fought us with improvised devises and small arms.
Purportedly the most expensive most technologically advanced military in the history of the world, America’s, a nation of 300 million people, and it couldn’t defeat two nations fighting them with improvised devices and small arms.
Only way America starts or engages in a war against Muslims, is through use of nuclear weapons, and then everyone on the globe glows, is dead or within a couple of short years from radiation poisoning or starves from nuclear winter.
Steve Bannon is delusional and I will fight against him if he attempts to incite a religious war in this world.
You are perfectly right Rev. Heard that most of the Radical Islamist Jihadi people are in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. For many years they have been living quite comfortably because they have nukes. Maybe then we should give nukes to Iran, Iraq and Saudis and they will also start living peacefully. The secret of peace is nukes, as you have proved with fake numbers. Look at North Korea. Despite their mad, belligerent alpha-male no one messes with them.
As usual for you, your reply to rr heard is non-responsive.
Non-responsive and nonsensical.
Yes. From whence did 15 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11 hail? These Trumpers very much do not like to talk about that. (Any more than Bushbots and Obama worshipers before them have cared to.)
Good that you also find Rev Heard’s numbers fake, though I guess to a greater order of magnitude than I do. Why don’t you tell Father Heard so that he hears is loud and clear?
The other day your tag-team partner Salzmann was caught maligning our men and women in uniform, and I requested him to apologize. Could you please do me the honor to convey this request again to him? He may not agree with President Trump, but his privilege to disagree is derived from the sweat and blood of those who protect him.
The US military has not been engaged in protecting the nation’s citizens since, at the very least, WWII.
Many servicemenbers, of course, have believed and still do believe that’s what they are doing, but it’s a big lie.
The only men and women in uniform I ever malign are the comparative few that wear those uniforms as an excuse for indulging their blood lust.
Talking to the wrong guy. I’ve always been 100% consistent on the subject of nuclear weapons–either no nation should have them, or all nations should have them. Period.
What fake numbers are you babbling about? Those are the rough population estimates as of the last two years for all of those nations widely available by a simple Google search.
To be precise, America has 318 million people give or take. So what are you babbling about?
Notice that all the last three digits are 000. This cannot be right. Even granted that you are somewhere near the ballpark, you are at least, by any stretch of census polling, thousands of people off. So your numbers are inherently fake, and thus you have lost credibility to trust the rest of the higher order digits. Euclid could have proved it with greater elegance but would have reached the same conclusion.
Well with the exception of the American Civil War of course, but not my point–which was a multi-front war against people from multiple nations all by itself.
“the rapture” does not require that anyone survives
Fair enough. But since I’m an atheist I’d hope the “Xtian believers” don’t take me with them, out of sheer delusional stupidity and irrational animus and paranoia.
I’ll give you odds that if his Muslim ban succeeds or is rewritten, those countries you listed will most likely be next in line.
the ban could be extended to include everybody, which would be constitutional …
then the people trump wants in could be naturalized by executive fiat
there would be no need for unconstitutional religious bias in the visa process, trump needs only invoke the divine right of kings
he could set up trump tower as the new ellis island .. it’s a brilliant plan where room service could deliver the social security cards
Next in line for what? Iran is already on the list.
If you think Trump is going to ban people from Pakistan, Egypt, India, Bangladesh, or Indonesia I want some of what you’re smoking.
And the chances of him banning citizens of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Oman is zero.
Again, I agree his ban shouldn’t be called a Muslim ban, because in a strict sense it isn’t with regard to all the nations of the world wherein Muslims reside.
With the exception of Iran, it should be called “Trump’s Ban on Muslims From Countries the US Bombs to Destroy or Control And/Or In Service Of One of America’s BFF Gulf Monarchies and Israel’s National Interest.”
It quite obviously isn’t a ban on the world’s Muslim populations, just the ones that might be pissed off because we’ve facilitated directly or indirectly the destruction of their lands and people (again excluding Iran). And with regard to the latter, quite frankly I could understand why they might hold some deep seated animus toward America. But thankfully, and Allah knows why, but the vast majority don’t, which as Americans we should be incredibly grateful for their capacity to forgive even the most unforgivable acts by the American and their allies.
And don’t think some in the US government wouldn’t like to take a crack at Iran, but that would likely spell the end of America as we know it (not saying that would be bad, except for all the regular folks in American and Iran).
Seems there are some disciples of Alex Jones around here. Scary thought.
You know it. Richard Stallman dropped by the Intercept threads the other day. Someone by that name, the founder of GNU, has been a radio guest of Alex Jones at least twice.
Stallman (RMS) is hardly a disciple of Jones. He’s entirely consumed by free software issues and projects (for which the world owes him an enormous debt of gratitude!) and there’s hardly anywhere he won’t go or anyone to whom he won’t speak in promoting his views.
RMS is a visionary and a hero — and rather quirky, of course.
Stallman has nothing compared to your telephony, Doug Damn It All To Hell Salzmann.
You warned anyone who would listen, DDIATHS. You warned them, about what the opportunists of the world would do to your telephony. But no, they wouldn’t listen. And look what they did. Damn it to hell.
Yes, there are. In this instance, it is useful and instructive to have Trumpers like Communete around; his manifest delusions and complete lack of facility with the facts of history, reveal the mindset and profile of the typical, ardent Trump supporter.
What utter propaganda by Hussain. He very well knows that Obama armed Al Nusra and ISIS for the purpose of regime change in Syria. Obama opened the infamous ‘rat line’ to transfer weapons from one state he destroyed, Libya, to the state he was planning to destroy, Syria. This article is nothing less than anti-history — it erases the material support of ISIS by our previous president and plunges into abstraction to magically link Trump to ISIS.
Let us consider the words of congresswoman Gabbard:
Aloha ,
The lives of millions of Syrians have been destroyed by a horrific war that has killed hundreds of thousands and forced millions to flee their homeland. I went there last week to see and hear directly from the Syrian people.
I met with displaced families from Eastern Aleppo, Raqqah, Zabadani, Latakia and the outskirts of Damascus. I heard from Syrian opposition leaders who commanded the 2011 protests, widows and children of men fighting both for and against the government. I listened to Muslim and Christian leaders, humanitarian workers, academics, college students, small business owners and many more.
Their message was clear: The regime change war the U.S. is fueling in Syria does not serve America’s interest, or the interest of the Syrian people. Time and again I was asked, “Why is the United States and its allies helping al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups take over Syria? Syria did not attack the United States. Al-Qaeda did.” I had no answer.
These are the frustrated voices that have not been heard. Instead, we’ve heard incomplete, one-sided reports that push a narrative supporting this regime change war at the expense of Syrian lives.
I met a 14-year-old Muslim girl from Zabadani who was kidnapped, beaten repeatedly and raped. She watched in horror as “rebel groups” murdered her father in her family’s living room, emptying their entire magazine of bullets into him because her father, a sheep herder, would not give them his money.
I met a boy who was kidnapped while walking down the street to buy bread for his family. He was tortured, waterboarded, electrocuted, placed on a cross and whipped because he refused to help so-called rebels — he told them he just wanted to go to school. This is how the “rebels” treat the Syrian people who do not cooperate with them, or whose religion is not acceptable to them.
Repeatedly I was told there is no difference between “moderate” rebels and al-Qaeda (al-Nusra) or ISIS — they are all the same. Although opposed to the Assad government, the political opposition leaders adamantly rejected violence as a way to bring about reforms. They shared that it’s the Wahhabi jihadists, fueled by foreign governments, that pose the greatest threat to Syria and its history as a secular, pluralist, once-peaceful society. They continue to seek government reforms, but support the Syrian state over jihadist terrorist groups as they work to bring peace to Syria.
The consequences of this regime change war extend beyond the boundaries of Syria. As we spend trillions of dollars on regime change in the Middle East, Hawai’i, along with communities across the country, faces a severe lack of affordable housing, aging infrastructure, the need to invest in education, health care, and so much more. Our limited resources should go toward rebuilding our communities here at home, not fueling more counterproductive regime change wars abroad.
For years, the U.S. government has been directly and indirectly supporting allies and partners of terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS with money, weapons, and intelligence in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government.
I return to D.C. this week with even greater resolve to end this illegal and counterproductive war. From Iraq to Libya and now in Syria, the U.S. has waged wars of regime change, each resulting in unimaginable suffering, devastating loss of life, and the strengthening of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS.
We must allow the Syrian people to try to recover from this terrible war by ending our support for the terrorists destroying Syria and her people. My Stop Arming Terrorist Act would do just that.
really? i can’t find any basis for that in the text…
The greatest lie is the lie of omission.
– George Orwell
got it. that covers an awful lot of territory, don’t you think? if we’re going to cover the history of events having led up to and influenced the Great War of Civilizations, hadn’t you quickly submit a more thorough account lest you yourself partake of this greatest of lies?
let us know when you get to 2017.
drat.
-hadn’t you *better* quickly sumbit ….
I have arrived in 2017. We have jihadist armies terrorizing large swaths of Iraq and Syria, thanks to Obama’s desire for regime change in Syria and his arming of Al Nusra and ISIS through the rat-line.
so . . . you and Bannon don’t want a holy war?
He’s some kind of troll who frequently drops in early in a thread to spew one or two wild-eyed rants, and then leaves. I’ve learned to ignore him.
I guess for Mona a rant is prose that contains facts she doesn’t like … like Obama’s famous rat-line into Syria:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
It must get at Mona that her liberal president Obama supported Jihadists that would kill or enslave her in a heartbeat … just because she is a woman.
As I said, you’re some kind of troll. No one familiar with my commenting history, or the writers of this site, would suppose I’m either an Obama fan or a liberal.
For Mona a troll is someone who dares to point out that Obama funded jihadists through the rat-line. Her ‘infowars’ mantra fails her in this case, since Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh uncovered the rat line for in a piece of the London Review of Books.
Liberals like Mona remind me of Sleeping Beauty. When a Democrat is president, they fall into a deep sleep, blissfully unaware of the President’s material actions. Yet once their anti-prince Trump bends down and kisses them on the lips, they awake … and suddenly are aware of all the corruption and criminal activity within the American Empire.
“There has been sustained criticism of Hersh’s use of anonymous sources. Critics, including Edward Jay Epstein and Amir Taheri, say he is over-reliant on them.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh
You do understand, I hope, that both Epstein and Taheri lack all standing to criticize anyone else’s journalism — especially on the basis of proper sources or reliability? Invoking those two to criticize Hersh (who is a fine investigative reporter) would be like quoting Ted Bundy on the subject of domestic violence.
“He’s some kind of troll who frequently drops in early in a thread to spew one or two wild-eyed rants, and then leaves. I’ve learned to ignore him.”
You tell people you are no longer talking to them through a third party.
That’s odd.
Uh-huh, ok. [shrug]
Mona is a liberal troll. She seeks to obfuscate the obvious … such as Obama’s arming of Nazi’s in the Ukraine, Jihadists in Syria, or his amazing Tom Brady-like deportation of three million people, a record breaker!
That’s fucking hilarious. Yeah, I’m the biggest shill for Obama in history. You just keep right on with that. No one remotely familiar with what I actually write is going to think you are anything by a deranged freak. (What’s next? Am I also a devout evangelical?)
Bannon, that whiskery bum, believes himself to be the last Crusader left standing:
“We’re now, I believe, at the beginning stages of a global war against Islamic fascism.”
and…
“We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years.” [@Dignitatis Humanae Institute, Vatican 2014. ]
meanwhile:
Burston/Haaretz: “Not only does it [the Vatican speech] predict the imminence and inevitability of a war pitting Christianity against Islam, it obliquely suggests that Jews could find themselves a target for U.S. Christian anger somewhere down the road.”
Interesting, bizarre, lines being drawn:
Bannon’s connections to the religious right are solid, largely through his connection with Cardinal Burke and the discredited Legion of Christ (via Thomas Williams, ex-US-spokesman of the Legion and current head of Breitbart in Rome.)
Burke, who is leader of the anti-Bergoglio contingent at the Vatican (having been twice demoted by the Pope) has made common cause with Matteo Savini’s la Lega nord, among others, and looks to be angling for a leadership position in Europe’s far right. Which, btw, is loving Trump and Bannon but no longer has any use for Francis after his soft-headed remarks on refugees and nationalism.
Great stuff: governance by apocalypse; a messianic return for every taste.
Thank you. That’s an informative comment.
The elephant in the room, of course, is that neither group of right-wing extremists wants to stop the coming apocalypse. There’s no real logic or reasoning involved, not even the logic of revenge.
The humankind is essentially divided into groups on the basis of the qualities their inner self (individual and collective) reflects on a wide range of spectrum, ranging from the lowest to the highest (by definition), while they manifest in diverse outer forms.
Since I have listed those qualities often, I won’t repeat them here.
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“Cosmology of the Self” and “The Journey of the Self” at http://www.zahrapublications.com/#sufismAndIslamicPsychologyAndPhilosophy
“Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord”.
Robert Siegel and Ari Shapiro and Nina Totenberg and Mara Liasson and the Klezmer woodwind stylings of All Things Considered appreciate all your financial support.
Do you agree with Bannon about the need to revive “the church militant” because:
Well?
Why don’t you expand the quote into a context that may fill the ellipses and otherwise coincidentally attenuate your argument.
I recognize individual liberty reinforced by strong national boundaries under which it’s practiced as infinitesimal, short-lived experiments on the human timeline that must constantly be defended against insidious progressive leftist attempts at authoritarianism and world government and intentional smudging of international borders through globalism.
That’s non-responsive. Do you agree with Bannon about the “need” to revive the “church militant” because:
As we think about ISIS-Bannon commonalities, It may be instructive (and chilling) to consider that, like the followers of al-Baghdadi, rather significant portions of the American public would be content with rule by their own caliph.
I an piece in today’s Graun, Prof. Austin Sarat considers the fact that. . .
N.B. The latter findings are consistent with my personal experience of millennials. I get really tired of hearing how refreshingly progressive they are.
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Oops. That should be “In a,” not “I an.” And I failed to excise the internal links (which don’t show up as links). Ignore.
me too me too, those millennials are the worst
just now amazon has delivered Peace: The Box Set to my door, and after speed-viewing it i’m amazed at how the western canon of democracy since the Age of Enlightenment has been completely ignored!!
all this “peace” and “love” crap, no rational underpinnings of legal rhetoric, no context wrt the civil rights or women’s movements …
it’s just some sort of mental blow job .. these kids should go back to university and take American Jurisprudence 101: Kafka to Breitbart and get some intellectual grounding
That gets to my strongest and greatest concern about Trump and his administration. His brazen attacks on the judiciary could be indicative of his (sooner rather than later) rejecting court orders and refusing to be bound by them.
If that happens it would constitute the complete collapse of the rule of law, which in turn would mean an actual dictatorship.
If that happens it would constitute the complete collapse of the rule of law, which in turn would mean an actual dictatorship.
Indeed, and the study cited by Prof. Sarat suggests that there might not be overwhelming resistance to that dictatorship.
If you close your eyes and listen carefully, I’ll bet you can hear Bannon and his troops chuckling contentedly over these poll results.
i dunno, i don’t have any numbers to point at, but if Bannon and the lads were to come right out, donning their papist hats, brown shirts and holy roller skates . . . i just don’t think that shit would fly.
consider the outright racists, white nationalists and Granpa Simsonesque cold warriors that regularly post right here. after running through their half-baked racist diatribes, declaring the *need* for the poor maligned white race to finally stand up and kick out them jews/muslims/blacks/blah/blah/blah . . . they will invariably exclaim that they aren’t racists and it’s just not fair to call out their bigotry as such, etc.
even these neo-nazis can’t stand to see themselves as such in the light of day. the whole millennial thing gets tossed around pretty casually, but i just don’t see a generation of young Americans who are ready to toe that line.
Well, according to the cited research, 19% of them aren’t ready to toe that line. ;^(
Of course, polling can be wrong, but that poll would have to be wildly wrong to change the overall implications.
i would have thought we’d had enough of polls for a while. ;-)
There’s Trump’s rap, then there’s Trump. Having spent 4 years in the USMC I can tell you that initiating any large scale deployment isn’t going to happen soon. I’m far more concerned with actions that will (not may) be taken domestically. I think the ban was just a trial balloon.
Do you think he’d order U.S. military into the cities, such as Chicago and elsewhere? What’s your take on how much support he has in the armed forces?
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Denmark’s Hygge Aesthetic Is Comfy, Cozy, and Complicit With the Rise of Xenophobic Populism
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/10/danish_hygge_is_cozy_and_also_tied_to_right_nationalist_xenophobic_populism.html
Hm. Xenophobia, Democrats, “Russians are the enemy,”….
Whataboutery is a fallacy.
No whataboutery. The conservative leadership doesn’t view any of these nations as the enemy. It’s just not going to let just every one of its residents in.
By contrast the left wages wars against those nations in the name of progress.
Yes, you are doing whataboutery. That the Democrats have gone unhinged over Russia (in order to avoid their own rottedness) is wholly irrelevant to nationalist righwing xenophobia, including Trump and Bannon’s.
there definitely is a clash of civilizations right now
daesh vs the new crusaders
modern musins and western “universe-ists” envision a happy rainbow future together, but the bomb vesters and drone operators keep spoiling the fun
hopefully we can all purchase Peace: The Box Set at amazon and everything will just work out by itself
Ya know, the fact that you ordered this from Amazon doesn’t necessarily speak well of your intentions…
I don’t think I wanna pay Bannon’s mother fucking allowance anymore. What’re my options?
I’d suggest looking for peaceful and relatively inexpensive migration destinations.
The easy way out? … I’ll pass.
As Stephen Lendman said on his blog “you just could not make this stuff up….”On February 10 in Riyadh, CIA director Mike Pompeo awarded the Middle East’s leading Arab state proliferator of state terrorism at home and abroad with the George Tenet Medal for its “intelligence work in the fight against terrorism.”
Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Nayef, serving as deputy prime minister and minister of interior received the George Tenet Medal. Other Saudi princes and officials attended the ceremony.
In accepting the award, prince Nayef turned truth on its head, saying “Saudi Arabia rejects and denounces strongly terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.”
“The kingdom has been keen to combat terrorism based on its conviction that terrorism has no identity and no religion, and from its belief that the terrorists are committing these acts stemming from their deviant ideologies and evil thought.”
Israel and Saudi Arabia are the region’s leading sponsors of terrorism. Riyadh’s absolute monarchal rule is despotic, lawless and brutal. It’s a police state practicing state terrorism internally and regionally.
The “George Tenet medal”? Seriously, there is such a thing? That explains a lot.
In view of Tenets part in US intelligence failures [lies] in the Iraq war buildup, this medal is a joke. Rather like being presented with a Pol Pot medal for good governance.
The Crusades! A Time-Proven Conflict Marketing Plan since the… wait for it! The 1200’s!…. Talk about devolution…
The Crusades were a direct response to the Ottoman Empire.
The Crusades were a murderous campaign fraught with myths and nonsense over the real estate of Jerusalem. Waging murderous wars, over real estate (becasue of it’s status in one’s religious mythology), is grossly immoral.
Exactly, and, the CHRISTIAN CRUSADES lasted over 400 years. Bannon repeatedly refers to Judeo-Christian “values” as the foundation for his own obsession with a Holy War. The sacrifices will be great, and the devastation of our planet unimaginable if this anti-Christ has his way.
This is a good example of where “a little bit of knowledge is dangerous”.
Check your history – the Crusade of 1204 was co-opted by Venice to have the Vatican backed Christian crusaders sack the Eastern Roman Empire Christian city of Constantinople.
The Ottoman Empire did not really start (in a European context anyways) until the capture of Constantinople in 1453 by Mehmed the Conqueror for Islam.
I guess I could blame it on the school systems lack of emphasis on human history?
Thank you, I had considered making that point about the non-existence of the Ottoman empire at the time that freak implies. He also clearly knows nothing about Pope Innocent III and his murderous, authoritarian agenda.
His “data” largely comes from sites such as infowars. So that’s the level of sophistication he spews.
Except you didn’t because you hadn’t a clue. But neither does james cook.
james cook: The Ottoman Empire was formally recognized as such at the end of the 1200s.
The man for whom the Ottoman empire is named was not even born until 1258 AD. (And it did not become vast, or much of an “empire,” under his leadership.) The first Crusade was called for by the Pope in 1095. You are, as usual, utterly ignorant.
james cook has the first Crusade at 1204. You’re pretty talented at timeline reversal.
Now you are simply lying. The Turkish man for whom the Ottoman empire is named, Osman, was not even born until 1258. Thus, that empire could not have been what the Fourth Crusade (1202-04) was “in response” to.
God, your lunatic beliefs make you so, so fucking stupid.
Empires aren’t made–nor named–in an evening. And james cook has the first Crusade at 1204. You’re pretty talented at timeline reversal.
Again, you are lying: ” And james cook has the first Crusade at 1204. ” He said no such thing. Even the Fourth Crusade, which he did cite, was launched decades before the man for whom the Ottoman empire was named was even born, and well before that empire was begun.
Morever, the Crusades were not launched only against Muslims. Pope Innocent III, for example, slaughtered French “heretics” and other Christians.
Where does your data come from? You even deny the existence of the rat-line that proves Obama illegally armed jihadists in Syria — an article written by Pulitzer prize winning journalist, Seymour Hersh. So stop ranting about Infowars … just to hide Obama’s crimes and your own liberal hypocrisy.
You’e a troll. This is manifestly absurd to claim about me:
“You’e a troll. This is manifestly absurd to claim about me:”
You seem to catch a lot of trolls. What are you using for bait?
Your attempt to fabricate a narrative about how the Nazis were actually leftist gets dumber by the comment.
Socialist Workers Party politics are leftist, Jose.
Using a playbook after Nuremberg to try to point fingers away from themselves won’t work any better for embarassed Obama voters either.
Please, tell all the nice people here, about your other pet theory, to wit: Satanists and the Illuminati are controlling our minds.
As Otis C. Mitchell noted in ‘Hitler’s Stormtroopers and the Attack on the German Republic, 1919–1933′: ” The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.” The name – Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – is just marketing and has nothing to do with the actual party philosophy.
Another leftist attempt to rewrite history after Nuremberg.
You don’t market politics to anything but the progressive left by incorporating “Socialist Workers” into an organization’s name.
No amount of reinventing National as anything but a prefix on NPR will change that. Globalists wage wars on international boundaries.
No reasonable person would consider Mr. Culliton a “leftist.” His other comments would suggest he supports Donald Trump. In any event, he’s no leftist.
He does, however, appear to grasp modern history, which you utterly do not. The Nazis were, as his quote shows, completely invested in “völkisch nationalism.” That was literally their primary motivation.
Mona: That was a profound insult! How in the name of sweet Jesus, did you ever decide that I support Trump?!?! He’s terrifyingly dangerous to America and the world.
Thanks for the history part though.
Sorreee! Perhaps I misread you. Your reply to someone in a thread earlier this week, I read as supportive of Trump. But I was not sure, so I said it was only “suggestive.”
Mea culpa.
“Völks.” “Folks.”
Where have we heard that for the last eight years?
Brilliant. Yeah, keep putting 2 and 2 together. It’s entertaining.
“Völkisch nationalism” is Culliton’s words. That’s your “quote.” Yet another attempt to reinvent leftist smudging of international borders as anything other than progressive globalism and world government.
Plug the phrase “Hitler völkische” into a search engine and report what you find. Or are the Illuminati controlling the search results as well?
And you understand “Völkisch nationalism” emphasis nationalism is Mitchell’s wording.
You understand that you’re disingenuously trying to lead readers to believe the contention was on “Völkisch”–which can’t be farther from the truth. By all means Völkisch is but confirmation of the contemporary progressive left’s infatuation with the word “folks.”
Communete translated: “I don’t know how to use a search engine, so I’m gonna spit out some more non sequiturs.”
Mona translated: “I enjoy creating straw man arguments because I can’t justify my posts.”
Did you search the phrase “Hitler völkische?” You either cannot or will not. The results would reveal your duplicitous inanity.
To bad for your straw man posts, because as you know, the contention isn’t on “Hitler völkische.” It’s on “Völkisch nationalism” emphasis “nationalism,” Mitchell’s wording.
You still haven’t done the search, and likely do not know how. Hitler was a fierce nationalist, one who drew on the political concept of Völkisch. But this is likely not discussed at infowars, so such facts of history you can neither access nor process.
“world government?”
you’re a christian fundamentalist? doesn’t that place you in a bit of a conundrum if all this is foretold?
And the dumb (nay, deranged) comments are incessant.
There is no doubt that all is not well within the empire.
What I wonder about is why the primary fixation on WWII or secondary WW1 when looking at history? Neither of these conflicts were primarily religious and neither involved the theology of Islam.
Linking today with just these two conflicts is in a way its’ own – fear mongering. It is very convenient and easy to scare people with something that is still in the conscious memory, but not really the same.
Why not look back, way back – to past events when east and west collided – and there are lots of them in Roman and Vatican history?
I would say that what is happening today has nothing in common with recent past European-based wars – other than the Economic problems that led up to them.
Why not broaden the discussion beyond a fear of recent individual historical bogymen?
Because this is the progressive-left’s currency, its stock in trade. Recite from a playbook after Nuremberg that turns “Socialist Workers” politics on its ear every time the public wises up. One that consistently points fingers away from Socialist Workers from Hitler to Obama.
Because the Western actors are virtually the same as those involved in both world wars, and people comprehend and identify with those wars. Hitler was an ethno-nationalist and committed wars of aggression which consumed the world in a hideous war. Moreover, the “theology of Islam” is not causative in the current situation.
Hyper-nationalism is a poison, and right now the U.S. and it’s president have it on steroids. That’s been dangerous for the world in recent history, and is dangerous now. It’s not the only danger, but it is a big one.
“National”ism as in NPR? “National”ism as in NARAL? “National”ism as in NOW?
You are a deranged freak who thinks this man is an inspiring writer:
You have all the insightful political judgment of David Icke. Reasonable demarcations of left and right, from you, would be so improbable as to approach impossible.
Just drink your KoolAid and go back to sleep.
Another more recent phenomena is that humans have a tendency to fight the next war based on the experience of the last war………only to realize later (sometime too late) that thing have changed.
I am just trying to point out that the clashing of East and West is not new and it is dangerous to just think (fear) recent events of fascism with what the future may hold.
Broadening the thinking about this may not be a bad thing.
Absolutely. And WWII has been used and abused to prosecute multiple immoral wars. The world has been supposedly brimming with a parade of new Hitlers, from Saddam Hussein to Gadaffi.
Like the boy who cried wolf, one of the dangers is when something as dangerous as Hitler actually arises, saying so is likely to be rejected.
Fascism’s most notorious practitioner edited Italy’s premier Socialist newspaper of his day, Avanti! (“Forward!”)
Agree, this is not the playbook Bannon is working from (other than using fear-mongering propaganda of the “other” for his underlying goal, as the Nazi’s did); he borrows from all wars and their military strategies, and has a particular fondness for the Spartans vs the Athenians in terms of military strategy. His reference to 2000-2500 years ago is based on the birth and rise of Christianity, and his own prophesy that we must fight for and reclaim Judeo-Christian dominance to defeat all of Islam, not just its jihadists. Trump, who has his own Messianic delusions, is Bannon’s perfect “dull instrument” to carry out his own Messianic grandeur.
Clash of Civilizations is what the globalists want, not the nationalists.
That’s the purpose of coerced open borders in Europe and the U.S. for waves of ‘refugees’ and other opportunists from globalist-torn regions, as well as by the attempt to fund a $100 milion+ mosque a block from Ground Zero.
As usual with you, you are entirely immune to facts, such as the many iterated in the article to which you are (not) responding. But then, you’ve never evinced a relationship with facts and reality, claiming — among other preposterous things — that Antonin Scalia was murdered by “them” so a Jew would replace him on the High Court.
Tell your buddies to thank US foreign policy. As long as the US and her allies continues to rain bombs, drones and economic and environmental devastation, the muzzies and mexslims will keep coming. Yaay America, we can do it!
It’s not U.S. foreign policy any more. Not since the public wrested control back in2016 from the neocon Rockefeller Republican and other leftist infection that has abscessed Washington, DC for the past quarter century.
Bannon cannot be understood solely as a “nationalist”. The Christian apocalypse is a significant part of his worldview.
When considering the danger of irrational religious beliefs, apocalyptic ones in the hands of people with the power to bring them about, are by far the most dangerous ones. But I bet you don’t care a whole lot about it.
No Internet snark here: He literally cannot comprehend or process such a concept. Irrational beliefs are literally his stock in trade. It is what he does.
I’ve recently been studying Bannon’s pre-Trump philosophy, and he is looking for more than just a civilizational war. He is expecting, if not preparing to instigate a civil war in order to “restore” a moral Christian-supremacist state. Occupy Unmasked and Generation Zero speak to this quite transparently. With Erik Prince in the shadows of the administration to likely provide an on-demand contracted military, Sessions providing lenient oversight of police and security forces, plus Trump’s blatantly Christian-supremacist cabinet, I’m afraid that the civilizational war will also be used as cover for an armed crack down of dissenters in the US, with their full expectation (desire?) that it will lead to an armed civil war. I’m unsure what the best strategy to counter this is, other than exposition and demanding Congress to fight against Trump & Bannon. Sadly, I’m not sure how likely either are right now. Good journalists are probably our best hope for fighting them and educating society before it devolves into chaos. Keep at it Murtaza!
Yes.
Regardless of their so-called just causes, nut-cases everywhere share many common characteristics. Bannon is no different, neither is Trump.
Yes, Maz, exactly. It can hardly be said more pointedly and succinctly than you do here.
Thank you.