President Trump’s national security adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Monday night as a result of getting caught lying about whether he discussed sanctions in a December telephone call with a Russian diplomat. The only reason the public learned about Flynn’s lie is because someone inside the U.S. government violated the criminal law by leaking the contents of Flynn’s intercepted communications.
In the spectrum of crimes involving the leaking of classified information, publicly revealing the contents of SIGINT — signals intelligence — is one of the most serious felonies. Journalists (and all other nongovernmental citizens) can be prosecuted under federal law for disclosing classified information only under the narrowest circumstances; reflecting how serious SIGINT is considered to be, one of those circumstances includes leaking the contents of intercepted communications, as defined this way by 18 § 798 of the U.S. Code:
Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates … or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes … any classified information … obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
That Flynn lied about what he said to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak was first revealed by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, who has built his career on repeating what his CIA sources tell him. In his January 12 column, Ignatius wrote: “According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking.”
That “senior U.S. government official” committed a serious felony by leaking to Ignatius the communication activities of Flynn. Similar and even more extreme crimes were committed by what the Washington Post called “nine current and former officials, who were in senior positions at multiple agencies at the time of the calls,” who told the paper for its February 9 article that “Flynn privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States during the month before President Trump took office, contrary to public assertions by Trump officials.” The New York Times, also citing anonymous U.S. officials, provided even more details about the contents of Flynn’s telephone calls.
That all of these officials committed major crimes can hardly be disputed. In January, CNN reported that Flynn’s calls with the Russians “were captured by routine U.S. eavesdropping targeting the Russian diplomats.” That means that the contents of those calls were “obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of [a] foreign government,” which in turn means that anyone who discloses them — or reports them to the public — is guilty of a felony under the statute.
Yet very few people are calling for a criminal investigation or the prosecution of these leakers, nor demanding the leakers step forward and “face the music” — for very good reason: The officials leaking this information acted justifiably, despite the fact that they violated the law. That’s because the leaks revealed that a high government official, Gen. Flynn, blatantly lied to the public about a material matter — his conversations with Russian diplomats — and the public has the absolute right to know this.
This episode underscores a critical point: The mere fact that an act is illegal does not mean it is unjust or even deserving of punishment. Oftentimes, the most just acts are precisely the ones that the law prohibits.
That’s particularly true of whistleblowers — i.e., those who reveal information the law makes it a crime to reveal, when doing so is the only way to demonstrate to the public that powerful officials are acting wrongfully or deceitfully. In those cases, we should cheer those who do it even though they are undertaking exactly those actions that the criminal law prohibits.
This Flynn episode underscores another critical point: The motives of leakers are irrelevant. It’s very possible — indeed, likely — that the leakers here were not acting with benevolent motives. Nobody with a straight face can claim that lying to the public is regarded in official Washington as some sort of mortal sin; if anything, the contrary is true: It’s seen as a job requirement.
Moreover, Gen. Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”
It’s very possible — I’d say likely — that the motive here was vindictive rather than noble. Whatever else is true, this is a case where the intelligence community, through strategic (and illegal) leaks, destroyed one of its primary adversaries in the Trump White House.
But no matter. What matters is not the motive of the leaker but the effects of the leak. Any leak that results in the exposure of high-level wrongdoing — as this one did — should be praised, not scorned and punished.
It is, of course, bizarre to watch this principle now so widely celebrated. Over the last eight years, President Obama implemented the most vindictive and aggressive war on whistleblowers in all of U.S. history. As Leonard Downie, one of the editors at the Washington Post during the Watergate investigation, put it in a special report: “The [Obama] administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration.”
It’s hard to put into words how strange it is to watch the very same people — from both parties, across the ideological spectrum — who called for the heads of Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Tom Drake, and so many other Obama-era leakers today heap praise on those who leaked the highly sensitive, classified SIGINT information that brought down Gen. Flynn.
It’s even more surreal to watch Democrats act as though lying to the public is some grave firing offense when President Obama’s top national security official, James Clapper, got caught red-handed not only lying to the public but also to Congress — about a domestic surveillance program that courts ruled was illegal. And despite the fact that lying to Congress is a felony, he kept his job until the very last day of the Obama presidency.
But this is how political power and the addled partisan brain in D.C. functions. Those in power always regard leaks as a heinous crime, while those out of power regard them as a noble act. They seamlessly shift sides as their position in D.C. changes.
Indeed, while Democrats have suddenly re-discovered the virtues of illegal leaking, Trump-supporting Republicans are insisting that the only thing that matters is rooting out the criminal leakers. Fox News host Steve Doocey and right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham today both demanded to know why the leakers weren’t being hunted, while congressional Republicans are vowing investigations to find the leakers. And Trump himself today — echoing Obama-era Democrats — said that “the real story” isn’t the lies told by his national security adviser but rather the fact that someone leaked information exposing them:
The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 14, 2017
But this is just the tawdry, craven game of Washington. People with no actual beliefs shamelessly take diametrically opposite views on fundamental political questions based exclusively on whether it helps or hurts their leaders. Thus, the very same Democrats who just three months ago viewed illegal leaking as a grave sin today view it as an act of heroic #Resistance.
What matters far more than this lowly and empty game-playing is the principle that is so vividly apparent here. Given the extreme secrecy powers that have arisen under the war on terror, one of the very few ways that the public has left for learning about what its government officials do is illegal leaking. As Trevor Timm notes, numerous leaks have already achieved great good in the three short weeks that Trump has been president.
Leaks are illegal and hated by those in power (and their followers) precisely because political officials want to hide evidence of their own wrongdoing, and want to be able to lie to the public with impunity and without detection. That’s the same reason the rest of us should celebrate such illegal leaks and protect those who undertake them, often at great risk to their own interests, so that we can be informed about the real actions of those who wield the greatest power. That principle does not change based upon which political party controls the White House.
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From the creation of The Intercept during the Obama presidency through to today under Trump, a central principle of The Intercept — a key reason it was created — was to enable whistleblowing and report on leaks in the public interest. As our pinned article on our front page says: “If You See Something, Leak Something,” with instructions on how to do that as safely as possible.
The reason leaks are essential to our country is because we were founded (or at least believe) on sedition and rebellious notions of liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What is happening now, however, is just more of the same progress towards a “haves” vs. “have nots” power grab. The nation is slugging forward, trampling rights, creating economic inequality, and taking no responsibility for it. No one is so naive anymore, and with extraordinary powers available under the Patriot act, thanks to an unwinable and never ending war on terrorism, most citizens are casualties. Some 90% + Americans, not to mention those here illegally because their life was so bad it would be cruel irony to mention, but most of us have nothing to gain supporting the Washington or Corporate elites. Leakers take a risk. Leakers should not leak just to drench the new media model in ink, but leakers who expose information that “we would object to if we knew” do us the citizens a service, giving us a small glimpse it to what payback might feel like. Knowledge is power; power to the people.
What an absurd and contradictory segment. Ok U.S. leaders do not kill journalist. However both Chuck Todd and Masha completely avoided addressing the crimes against humanity that U.S. leaders (Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Obama, Clinton etc) have committed by invading Iraq, pushing a military intervention in Libya after Gaddafi gave up a nuclear program, arming unknown rebels in Syria which fueled the deadly civil war causing a great deal more death and destruction in Syria. All of these invasions, interventions have caused massive death and destruction in those countries as well as created millions of refugees Trump had the nerve to say “our leaders are not innocent. That the U.S. has killers” Yes we do.
Glenn wonder if you could listen to this segment where Chuck Todd and Masha Green try to divert from any crimes against humanity that U.S. leaders have committed and Trump has been willing to say “the U.S. is not innocent, we have killers” by diverting attention back to slavery.
Sorry unable to link but at Meet the Press fb page
Meet the Press
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Masha Gessen, New York Times Opinion Writer, joins us to discuss the idea of “whataboutism” and how President Trump could be flirting with the loss of moral values.
Is America Losing the Moral High Ground?
Masha Gessen, New York Times Opinion Writer, joins us to discuss the idea of “whataboutism” and how President Trump could be flirting with the loss of moral values.
http://www.msnbc.com
“IIS AMERICA LOSING THE HIGH GROUND?”
Meet the Press: Political News & Interviews with Chuck Todd – NBC …
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press
Well that’s Putin the Cart Before the Horse…
I suspect Flynn failing to fully inform Pence he discussed Obamas farewell sanctions with the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak (something transitional leaders do) IS NOT the reason Flynn showed himself the door.
Flynns replacement McMaster looks pretty good though and also has a reputation for speaking truth to power (questioning authority) but Trump SHOULD HAVE 1. released the transcripts to show he could and 2. fired those who failed PREVENT their release (to put other Deep State serving Insider Threats on notice).
If there were any lies told by Gen. Flynn they were internal, and also not legally relevant. And this is supposed to be a greater danger than the intel state picking winners and losers at the top of the US Govt? Give me a break.
I’d appreciate feedback as to whether what I’m about to posit is accurate or not, regarding Mr. Greenwald’s (as well as Melvin Goodman in Counterpunch, from which I believe the quote in question was sourced) usage of a quote, and it is taken totally out of context.
(Please note, I’m a longtime fan of Mr. Greenwald, and feel he and his compatriots are providing a service to the world in their reportage, that seems incredibly risky and brave, and I’m certain I’d not have the courage to do as they do; and I’m an ex-reporter from the 80’s)
Mr. Greenwald links to quotes from, and excoriates David Ignatius of the WP for cozying up to higl level Intelligence sources, and for stating “nobody had been killed” in CIA clandestine ops. It SEEMS to my eye, that Greenwald says Ignatius is referring to all of the CIA’s covert operations (and thus is a pretty huge lie). But as I read the quote in the article (and this is not to defend in principle whatever toadying and other execrable practices Ignatius may or may not do in order to get “scoops”) he is referring solely to a program called “Military Liaison Elements”, and that program alone. Not to the CIA’s entire history of covert ops.
Am I missing something? All feedback appreciated.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/20/last-man-standing-mcmaster-for-nsa/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/trumps-picks-retired-general-mcmaster-national-security-adviser
McMaster is a highly regarded military tactician and strategic thinker, but his selection surprised some observers who wondered how McMaster, who is known for questioning authority, would deal with a White House that has not welcomed criticism, Reuters wonders. He replaces a Trump loyalist. Michael Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general, was fired as national security adviser on Feb. 13 after reports emerged that he had misled Vice President Mike Pence about speaking to Russia’s ambassador about U.S. sanctions before Trump’s inauguration.
McMaster, 54, is a West Point graduate known as “H.R.,” with a PhD in U.S. history from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He was listed as one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people in 2014, partly because of his willingness to buck the system. A combat veteran, he gained renown in the first Gulf War – and was awarded a Silver Star – after he commanded a small troop of the U.S. 2nd Army Cavalry Regiment that destroyed a much larger Iraqi Republican Guard force in 1991 in a place called 73 Easting, for its map coordinates, in what many consider the biggest tank battle since World War Two.
As one fellow officer put it, referring to Trump’s inner circle of aides and speaking on condition of anonymity, the Trump White House “has its own Republican Guard, which may be harder for him to deal with than the Iraqis were.” The Iraqi Republican Guard was ousted dictator Saddam Hussein’s elite military force. As Reuters adds, McMaster’s fame grew after his 1997 book “Dereliction of Duty” criticized the country’s military and political leadership for poor leadership during the Vietnam War.
My Privacy (which is my classified personal privacy online or offline, inside my home or outside) is clandestinely abolished not just subverted in secrecy (which is repugnant in a free and open society) by the covert establishment while cloaked in “we the people of the land of the free” with impunity.
– Alejandro Grace Ararat
There is very little doubt the foregoing smells worst than all kosher dictatorships/fascist gestapo regimes combined while cloaked in sheep’s clothing. Disgusting is short
Not completely justified.
As with Clinton and the DNC, we were saved by leaks; however, why were the phones being tapped in the first place? Why did our government completely ignore the mountains of evidence of bribery, corruption and mishandling of classified information from the Clinton campaign and put the other under FBI surveillance?
This whole situation smacks of complete Democratic political control of the FBI. Which is worse? The KGB sying on the Democrats or the FBI spying on Republicans?
Glenn, I just saw your interview with Democracy Now from earlier in week. I’m glad that you have shifted your view more towards what I expressed in my posted comment from 2/14.( you refused to post). Please read the column on Consortium news by Robert Parry “The did you talk to Russians Witchunt”.Also LaRouchepac.com : Helga Zepp LaRouche said:” The old establishment, the neo-liberal, neo-con, unipolar world establishment both in the United States and Europe, they’re completely freaked out. They don’t accept the fact that Trump was elected and they’re obviously involved in an attempt to get Trump out of the White House. Anyway, either a coup, a military coup which was talked about, an impeachment, or even worse, as the chief editor of the German liberal newspaper, Die Zeit, said in a talk show; he said, “Murder in the White House.”..
But what is going on is very serious. Because they have deployed George Soros, who is really nothing but an instrument of the British Empire; and George Soros who is the inventor, or the financier of the concept of color revolution, in other words, to finance all kinds of civil groups, NGOs, other groups how to cause regime change. They have been involved in doing that for the better part of the post-Soviet era, in many countries in Eastern Europe; in Ukraine, in 2004, the Orange Revolution; the Rose Revolution in Georgia; later the Arab Spring; they attempted White Revolution in Russia which failed; they attempted so-called Yellow Revolution with the yellow umbrellas in Hong Kong against China, which failed. What you see right now in the United States is exactly the same kind of apparatus financed by Soros, and it is really meant to undo that election. It is very serious…’the battle now in the United States to not only protect the Trump administration from being couped and ousted, but to actually make sure that the potential which this administration represents is being implemented. Because now if the United States goes in coordination with China, if the United States joins the Silk Road, by not only extending the Silk Road into the United States by building infrastructure, but by working together with Russia and China in other parts of the world. …
Agree Glenn, but what about the fact that the wrongdoers are getting away with it even when their crimes has been leaked?
As you mentioned, Clapper didn’t receive any punishment and kept his job, and now Flynn has lost his job but hasn’t been punished either.
hmmm…this article is a bit confusing. You became famous for publishing leaks. Intercepts byline is “If you see something, leak something”. Now your saying all these leaks are illegal????
Correct me if I’m wrong, but what’s different is that Snowden provided (a) EVIDENCE of (b) CRIMES.
Arguably, Flynn violated the Logan Act.
Whether or not he violated it can never become a topic of debate if Americans never learn about what he did.
“There is still no such evidence for any of these claims. What we have instead are assertions, disseminated by anonymous people, completely unaccompanied by any evidence, let alone proof. As a result, none of the purported evidence — still — can be publicly seen, reviewed, or discussed. Anonymous claims leaked to newspapers about what the CIA believes do not constitute proof, and certainly do not constitute reliable evidence that substitutes for actual evidence that can be reviewed. Have we really not learned this lesson yet?
To begin with, CIA officials are professional, systematic liars; they lie constantly, by design, and with great skill, and have for many decades, as have intelligence officials in other agencies.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/
Glen’s OTHER opinion on leaks.
Your deep seated beliefs and personal integrity, it seems, change depending on the popular wave of the moment.
Your credibility is being flushed, as we speak. How disappointing.
It’s interesting that before obama left office he signed an NDAA allowing the government to censor and counter propaganda with, propaganda. That the MSM is fully on board with the global apparatus opposed to trump much of these “leaks” may just be intelligence feeding stories to the mockingbird media devoid of facts, wiretaps, SIGNIT, warrants or any oversight whatsoever. It is scary indeed what is going on here and Glenn is right to fear it is an open subversion of democracy. It’s totally out in the open that globalists are at war with America and will stop at nothing to undermine any attempt to challenge the status quo.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-24/obama-signs-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act-law
Silly,
From this article:
“one of the very few ways that the public has left for learning about what its government officials do is illegal leaking. As Trevor Timm notes, numerous leaks have already achieved great good in the three short weeks that Trump has been president”
Where is the “fear or is an open subversion of democracy”?
This article states the leaks are to be celebrated, and the leakers encouraged and protected.
You may be confusing my comment – the deep conviction of a few months ago, with the opposite deep conviction of today. Would love to have an explanation of the 180 degree shift.
Another non biased article from you who I rely on for telling me the truth as you know it. I somewhat disagree on leaking as the name should have been kept out of the public view in my opinion. A slippery slope leaking the intel based on personal perspective I think. But keep up informing us!
Not only is ‘someone’ calling for a criminal investigation…that someone is POTUS and he has ordered such. Furthermore NOTHING Flynn did was illegal, immoral inappropriate in those phone calls…his mistake was in failing to be very thorough in his reports about them.
It is ENTIRELY inappropriate and illegal for a private citizen, as Flynn was in December, to engage in negotiations with foreign intelligence without the permission or direction of the administration in charge. A 30-year career intelligence officer revealed on Bill Maher last night that the collective intelligence community – the FBI, CIA, NSA and Homeland Security, see Trump as a loose cannon they can’t trust with sensitive intel, as was proven by his open air conversation in a FL restaurant about the missile deployed by North Korea. The intelligence officer said that his people see their responsibility is now to take key info and report it to their ultimate boss – the American people – through leaks if necessary, to underscore what a threat the Trump administration is to our national security.
We don’t know that the various leaks are coordinated in any way, and when it comes to the leaks about Team Trump’s contacts with Russia during the campaign, we don’t really have any specifics. Accordingly, it is ridiculous to pretend to know the motivations of the leakers as a group, although I’d hazard to guess that the Russia leaks were an invitation for an independent investigation, not an attempt to influence policy, precisely because of the lack of details.
Acts of civil disobedience are virtuous only if the actor reveals himself, admits what he has done and submits to being prosecuted.
People who hide the fact that they are breaking the law but claim they are doing it for a good cause are merely saboteurs and scoundrels.
This is not a just act and its perpetrators should be arrested. These leaks have been made by bureaucrats in order to hamper the elected govt’s policy towards Russia, not out of a sense of moral outrage over Flynn’s behavior. It needs to be stopped at source immediately, or else you will end up with a bureaucracy running riot, and destroying an elected govt’s ability to govern.
That is not a functioning democracy, it’s a dictatorship.
What about the leaked calls to Mexico, Japan, and many others? No excuse.
All of this talk about ‘Deep State’ etc, is misleading. Isn’t it clear that a Corporate war is taking place. What or who controls the ‘Depp State’? Surely the Corporations who held sway during the NeoCon era. It seems to me that Trump (by Trump I mean the group behind his election) have used the same strategy that Vladislav Surkov developed and has used effectively to keep Putin in power, to get elected. It is not for no reason that Putin stated his ‘admiration’ for Trump prior to the election. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that a deal has been struck by a group representing certain Corporations that effectively intend to consolidate or gain power at the expense of those who have been enjoying it since the turn of the century. Trump’s cosy relationship with Putin is a reflection of that. The reaction of the ‘Deep State’ is a reflection of the distress felt by those who see power ebbing away. Adam Curtis’s file “Hypernormalisation” can shed some on light on this https://youtu.be/8PhkixvsCzU
James A. Wells, Assistant U.S. Attorney General: We can’t have people go around leaking stuff for their own reasons. It ain’t legal. And worse than that, by God it ain’t right.
Great article as usual, Glenn Greenwald is one of the best journalists of our time. I agree with most of the article the hypocritical nature of politicians is so predictable and there was value in the Flynn leak, but what about the Mexican President call and the Austrailian PM call? Major felonies and breeches of trust by the deep state and for no value.
Real stretch stating “leakers motive’s likely are vindictive” Greenwald neglected the real possibility of Intelligence agents leaking that the Russian information was manufactured. Would only require one or two Pro Trump intelligence agent’s to expose that the information coming out of the FBi , CIA, and finally the NSA. Nothing! Perhaps more likely the leaks are BOTH noble, and vindictive. A pragmatic answer that Greenwald has always had difficulty with.
Glenn, a question for you: Fine, Flynn lied. Not sure why it’s illegal if it wasn’t under oath but beyond that I’m wondering why it’s even wrong or unethical since such communications are always confidential if not secret.
Hasn’t it been common for presidential aspirants to talk with and discuss deals with foreign powers in anticipation that they may be elected in order to act on those deals? The fear of the October Surprise under Carter which may have been the genesis of Iran/Contra and Bush allegedly meeting with Iranians comes to mind.
I see lots of sloppy talk about treason but 1. We’re not at war with Russia and 2. How are oil deals treasonous since they reveal nothing about military issues or national security? Whether they are in our “national best interests” (whatever that means) is debatable, no? In this case, Trump’s desire for alliance with Putin versus Hillary’s apparent wish to confront him militarily (perhaps via Syria) are more in our interest to my mind When Obama made deals with Russia over plutonium wasn’t that somewhat similar?
I agree that aligning with your statements elsewhere that politically aligning with unaccountable intelligence agencies (is that a silent coup?) is potentially more dangerous than Trump whose unconstitutional acts like the travel ban are restrained by the checks and balances and courts, so isn’t there an analogue that backroom deals with Russia are less dangerous/treasonous than risking war or the renewed cold war that would self-interestedly bloat the budgets in the IC? Besides, Trump’s the POTUS – don’t the ICs work for him? Aren’t there anti-Trump actions arguably “treasonous”?
Good article – reminds me of how the recent civilian casualties in Yemen were surprisingly all over the media – while these kinds of reports were noticeably missing during previous admin. But imho there were plenty of democrats enraged over Obomber’s civilian drone deaths and Obumber’s NSA surveil program+lies+Snowden persecution – I think this is probably why Hillary lost – that 3% of (3rd party) voters who couldn’t stand the stench of all that . I’m a fan of his civil rights agenda and the ACA, but I agree his whistleblower policies were some of the worst. Silver lining- they gave us the Intercept and your platform for truth and justice. Snowden move over as the new whistleblowing heroes step up and speak out!
Don’t go for the same ploy twice….
Comey the clown was the first “fall guy” that got Trump elected.
Flynn the 2nd, trump is in bed with Deep State.
“the very same Democrats who just three months ago viewed illegal leaking as a grave sin today view it as an act of heroic #Resistance.”
Bunch of totalitarian fascist cowards. The one issue that should unite us is the coup by the Praetorian guard, but the Mockingbird won’t shut up long enough for us to think, and even thinking out loud is wire tapped and stored somewhere.
It’s over folks. A coup de Democracy, led by Progresives and neo-con scum (McCain et al) working like diligent little Eichmann’s from Virginia.
“The mere fact that an act is illegal does not mean it is unjust or even deserving of punishment.”
This point of view is prevalent in societies ruled by rulers, not societies ruled by law. To be fair, I will not advocate one over the other, because many seem to want the former. And if you are prepared to be judged arbitrarily by those in power who’s main consideration is to stay in power, then be all means you should be prepared to live the consequences, by all means. Good luck.
Allowing the CIA to manipulate the media is dangerous to say the least. If you say it is noble because you agree with the cause then you are just a pawn in that when your guy gets it in the back you will scream. Who ever did this should go to jail for a long time. They serve the president, period.
Flynn did nothing illegal – per the FBI. The media way played as the usual fools they are.
In a word, it’s a Flynn-flam.
Has anyone seen the content if the discussion between Flynn and the russian official. One benefit of all this is that we’re all on the same page about Hillary’s email leaks. We found through them how crooked she and Democrats are; justified, the public was informed. Thanks, we can now move on from the election.
I don’t understand what the fuss is about. Many officials of a new admin talk to foreign officials before taking office. Of course Russia would want relief from sanctions in exchange for continuing considerable resources in destroying ISIS. This can’t be the issue. Release the transcripts!
Glenn I’m curious what your take is on this article:
http://theweek.com/articles/680068/americas-spies-anonymously-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying
It seems that we’re traversing down the slippery slope of whistleblowing, don’t you think? I mean I’m perfectly happy that “The Deep State” has become a part of the MSM lexicon but wish it was over something less controversial! :)
Thank you for all your great work!
Leaking classified information to the press needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail. How dare these traitors try to undermine our country’s security by revealing sensitive information into the hands of our enemies….but when the media have become the traitors, that is a war the people will take to the media responsible and shut you down!
Not sure what all the fuss is about here. Someone in a political position of power talked to another similar person in another country during a transition period in the wake of the outgoing President imposing petulent and pointless sanctions on a country it has been systematically demonising. If anyone knew the risks he was taking it was Flynn, but he did it anyway and is now catching the flak. Why did he take that risk and what are the ultimate goals of it? That Flynn has so rattled the very people you endlessly claim to oppose is fascinating in itself. That to me is a far more interesting story, Glennwald, probably beyond The Intercept’s limited capabilities or even beyond your own desires to reveal the Truth…
I think you missed the point here. Go listen to the Intercept Podcast on this with Jeremy Scahill and Greenwald.
Greenwald agrees that Flynn speaking with Russian officials is not all that unusual. It was the lying that is the problem. In fact, this entire article merely points out the hypocrisy with regards to evesdropping and whistleblowers and how they are treated.
Apparently Glen thinks war with Russia is beneficial.
And Flynn was an integral part of the Deep State! Obviously, there is civil war within the Deep State!
It’s now being reported that the FBI found Flynn to be cooperative and truthful and that his communications were not improper.
Of course they can report that now that he’s out of the picture.
This was a “fake leak” by the deep state, a political take-down.
This is the deep state taking down someone who stands in their way regarding hostility to towards Russia. And, as Glenn knows, there are two kinds of law – that for the those in favor, and those without. ‘Enforcement is optional.’
So are deep state leakers whose goal is to ramp up a new Cold War with potentially ecocidal consequences to be equally embraced along with leakers who expose the diabolical machinations of the deep state? Is one of my favorite journalists falling into a self-interested trap of false equivalency?
People say it was okay for Obama to visit foreign countries after being elected President because he was a Senator. Does anyone think he could have discussed anything “as a Senator,” when every one — every foreign diplomat included — knew he would soon take office as President?
An article rationalizing, then applauding, illegal behavior is to align one’s self with those who are committing the felonies! But why aren’t you all in the Press going one step further?
When these illegal hacks happened to Hillary Clinton, at least we got to see the emails! Where is the content of the conversation that was so unimaginably egregious that someone had to be fired? How do we know that Flynn called the Russians (which would be the Logan Act)? How do we know they didn’t call him (which would NOT constitute a violation)? And how do we know if he was selling secrets or just saying “talk to you in a week” then hanging up? The Press says he did something wrong. He says he didn’t. Release the Transcripts and we will know who to believe!
DJT made it clear today that Flynn got fired for equivocating with Pence and DJT/
Glenn! You don’t believe that Russia elected trump? I do. There is evidence from all over the world that Russia has been wrecking democracies world wide! trump was NOT democraticly elected, he is a Russian puppet. He is a “useful idiot” guided by Russia and steve bannon. Their goal is to destroy democracy world wide. Putin will gain 500 billion dollars when trump lifts sanctions… you don’t think he is behind this? You don’t believe that the intelligence agencies are watching the classified information they give trum go straight to Russia? You are smart… I cant believe that you think Trump was “democraticly elected” , he was not.
Which countries democracies Russia have wrecked so far? Give me a break.
Here is the list of the US attempts to overthrow foreign governments since the WWII (* indicates successful ouster of a government):
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
YEMEN 2015.
Now there’s a list that is hardly ever talked about!!
I’ve been reading Mr. Greenwald’s articles and enjoying videos of his interviews by other journalists for some time now and especially since the Snowden revelations. And, there’s something special about that guy.
I’ve simply never known or known of someone who is so unfailingly devoted to the highest principles of his craft as is Mr. Greenwald. He doesn’t just preach those principles and then when it’s convenient circumvent them. He genuinely believes in his principles and allows them to guide his behavior in life.
Glenn, you’re in inspiration to not only other journalists, but also, to just the average Joe. Thanks for being such a refreshingly bright light.
Best,
David
He also likes big dollops of PayPal cash in his account, is somewhat selectively limited in his scope of scoops and tends to look busy attacking hacks and lower ranking barking dogs when there is bigger fish to fry. There are better and braver alt-News people out there, don’t give him the sainthood quite yet…
Simply brilliant. And enormously humorous. Still laughing! Thank you.
wouldn’t it have been more justified if they just leaked the entire transcript so people could judge for themselves what was actually said? apparently there was no discussion besides Flynn saying they would review everything in regards to Russia
I’d like to see a debate between this guy:
and this guy:
Maybe this guy could moderate:
Aggregated entities — the United States, women, the CIA, the media, Russians, etc. — can accurately be accused of any number of crimes and any number of praiseworthy accomplishments.
As our very lucid president said, “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?”
This accusation can refer to almost anything — from the virtual genocide of the Native Americans to the “detention” of Japanese Americans during world war two, This came in response to Bill O’Rielly’s assertion that “Putin is a killer: — of which O’Reilly can claim a specialist’s knowledge having written about the killing of people from Jesus to George Patton.
When “ProporNot” offers anonymous citations — anonymity asserted because of a fear of reprisals from a president who “won’t be questioned” — are we to offer praise or scorn?
Should anonymous whistleblowers be praised or scorned? Why should the effect of the leak matter? What’s the difference between “dirty cold war tactics” and more modern attempts to manipulate public opinion — and even the outcome of an election — through Wikileaks. Does the use of stolen emails — several times removed from the original context and source — be regarded as a noble use of clandestine State power or does an embrace of this tactic signify an alignment with an autocratic villain? If Julian Assange can explicitly and knowingly interfere in US elections (with disasterous effect IMO) should he be judged on the outcome of the election?
I don’t mean these as disrespectful or trick questions.
There are many internal contradiction.
What counts as evidence? Whom should we (ordinary people) trust? How does a man like Trump — clearly untrustworthy — gain the presidency? What is the proper role of State agencies in political debates? What happens when secret knowledge should be made public? Should the Constitution written in the 18th Century apply, verbatim, to the 21st Century (as some like Scalia insist) or should we find ways to modernize State systems outside of a political context? Should one or another person be allowed to define the work and meaning of any aggregate noun?
Trust GG to turn a story about Trump’s administration caught with its hand in the cookie jar to one about vindictive intelligent communities and Democrats. Like Trump, the story for him is the exposure itself rather than the what was revealed by it.
Yes! Reading this piece, it was unbelievable to me that Glenn couldn’t muster the journalistic integrity to put aside his personal feelings to get the story straight, claiming almost Trump-sensically that Flynn’s only transgression was “lying to the public” about colluding with the Russians! Meanwhile, he must be smarting that his shiny new website has offered absolutely nothing new or interesting, perhaps because he’s too consumed with exacting revenge against Obama-Hillary.
Precisely. Greenwald rarely displays nuance. This usually reveals the agenda driven journalists.
– and anybody who still is able to write such serious stuff about the funniest show on earth should become an honorable F…face von Clownstick!
– How exciting – and far, far more entertaining than SNL – as nobody knows anymore on which side to be on…
Oh, that’s so interesting, to see that the CIA can misuse leaks. I don’t see anything especial about that, the CIA is much more dirty than this. But I understand that Glenn is giving bigger importance to the whist-blowers than me.
Therefore, I will add what Glenn forgot to write: The CIA is infiltrating the team and wider cycle of people around Trump, to control and sabotage his politics, obviously about the war. Surely they will not sabotage his support to Israel. Who profits from the war? Military industry: boeing, lockheed martin, general dynamics, etc., owned by vanguard group, blackrock, evercore, bank of america i.e. by billionaires who hide themselves behind vanguard, blackrok, etc. Who will be chosen instead of Flynn? Not more not less than the executive director of lockheed martin i.e. the man and company that profit from the war.
That’s what Glenn forgot to say: the CIA is creating and publishing leaks with the aim to prevent Trump to stop the war politics that benefit several billionaires that own military industry. New wars means new books like Dirty Wars by Jeremy Schahill, new news from the intercept, i.e. a job for Glenn for the rest of his life. War machinery and war profiteers are not touched by the Intercept, Glenn is busy with consequences of the war (dead people, kill chain, who does what, etc), not with the core of the war: who profits from the war, who benefits from removing Flynn and pushing Trump to make the war? Or maybe Glenn really beliefs that all these wars last 20 years are fight against terrorism and not colonial politics for stealing energy resources? In such case, if Glenn took the standpoint to refuse colonial reasons for the war, Glenn will criticize war crimes but not the war itself. It means he supports international robberies but “Americans should avoid civilian victims”.
Beside colonial reasons for the war that bring profit to the (oil) billionaires, another reason for the war is that billionaires that own military industry made the war to become business, they profit from the war itself. They wanted to remove Flynn and position their man in his place.
Awesome analysis. Thank you for writing that leaking, while perhaps a felony is not totally wrong. Now we have to sort it out. Seems Manning never put anyone in danger. So why the axe. Bergdahl is a bit different.
The curtain has been pulled back. The leaking is important in that it reveals who really runs our country.
The message has been received. Peace with Russia will not be permitted.
Glenn has identified one part of the issue, the ‘leaks are bad or good depending if they’re for or against my team’ issue.
But in so doing, he doesn’t address a similar issue – implying that all leaks should be viewed consistently as good, all the time.
He doesn’t say anything about other lines to draw, when leaks are ‘bad’.
Let’s say hypothetically that CIA officials had leaked information a the Obama administration was working on the Iran nuclear deal that destroyed the negotiations and prevented the deal. They might claim their actions were actions of principle to protect the world from the danger of Iran.
Hurrah, right? Or people who were wrongly taking that policy into their own hands and thwarting the elected leader?
Glenn gives no position on sorting that sort of thing out, but it’s critical to have some idea about it in judging the issue of leaks.
We have to recognize this is not black and white – that one man’s correct leak is another’s treason and not only for partisan reasons.
A real problem is our broken democracy. Principled people differ – but fighting out those differences through leaking, instead of in the democratic processes of debate and voting to decide policy, is not a real solution generally – only case by case at best.
It’s saying, ‘well, in THIS case the person acted out of principle, and I agree enough I’ll defend them’ – but that’s anarchy as a general policy.
And yes, dangerous. However careful and helpful a Snowden and Greenwald project might be on one issue, another leak might actually cause harm.
This deserves a more thorough discussion. Simply always being pro- or anti-leak makes no more sense than the partisan approach. to leaks.
The problem with this is… an intelligence community that leaks confidential information to the press, cannot be trusted. If they can’t be trusted, then why is everyone so quick to believe their story that the Flynn conversation was a discovery through routine monitoring of a Russian official? Its just as likely, given the lack of integrity in a group that releases info to the press, that they were actually targeting (IRS anyone?) Flynn and just happened to finally catch something to discredit him. Hell, they could be targeting, eavesdropping and taping every single person Trump has brought into his administration. People need to wake up and realize that there are traitors operating against a US government elected by the American people. Even in court cases, evidence illegally gathered is thrown out because the greater good is upholding the integrity of the justice system.
You guys have lost the plot. You used to be concerned about the machinations of the deep state but now you are openly supporting them in a treasonous coup of an elected leader. Talk about selling out.
‘You guys have lost the plot.’
All on purpose – or what does F…face von Clownstick say: “you’re going to see a lot of love.”
I came in here to say this exact same thing, although I assumed I’d be a lone voice in the wilderness.
WTF is going on, Glenn? Whether by carrot, stick, both or other, it appears that you’ve become a turncoat. This is shaping up to be the 2nd American Revolution. We need you on OUR side.
Regardless, thank you for all the amazing and courageous work you’ve done throughout your career.
I think some are misinterpreting the article. His main point is that whistle-blowing of crimes is laudable and necessary. He is not suddenly becoming an apologist for the deep state.
For better or (moreso) worse, the spooks’ eavesdropping on conversations is a fact of life. While Greenwald acknowledges that the spooks’ motives in leaking the conversation to the Press is dubious (and he has rightly assailed them for “leaking” possible dis-information through MSM operatives in the Times and WashPost) , the point is that the public has a right to know…must know…when public officials are violating the law…and that whistle-blowing – even if itself an illegal act – should be met with its own protections.
Yes, very possibly, the leaking was yet another manifestation of manipulation by the Deep State. Greenwald has steadily reported on such interference. Yet it is not inconsistent to support whistle-blowing in general and to apply that principle in this case; even if the motives behind it are dubious.
‘This is shaping up to be the 2nd American Revolution. We need you on OUR side.’
And what ‘side’ is that?
You know the American revolution had two pretty clearly defined sides.
It wasn’t F…faces von Clownsticks against SNL and Nordstrom and themselves.
Granted I’ve only read about 50 of the 879 comments on this article, but I am impressed with the level of discourse here. I see a lot of disagreement over an inportant issue and very little name calling or general dickishness. Well done, grownups!
Just the fact that the nsa is spying on the trump administration itself is scary and treasonous, let alone they are leaking it to the press.. Stuff like this is the reason why jfk wanted to shatter the cia into a million pieces. The Intelligence military industrial complex is waging war against trump just like thy did with jfk. They killed jfk for the same reason they’re attacking trump for, trying to not blow russia up, but covered it up and blamed oswald, Jfk had a back channel with Khrushchev trying to stop nuclear war.
The only difference this time, is the fact that the MIC has so much power now , specificly to propagandize people, they are implanting the thought in peoples heads that trump and his administration are russian plants, clearlyan attempt at justifying assassination in one form or another. Most likely actual assassination if Trump doesn’t resign and exposes the corruption further.
“they are implanting the thought in peoples heads that trump and his administration are russian plants”
Trump and his people are doing a good job of that themselves. You’re imagining that not only is all of this reportage fake news, but that the many public statements by Trump and his people supporting Putin have been manufactured.
I should add that the NSA isn’t specifically spying on the Trump administration–they routinely record all foreign communications that they can, especially those involving communications between US citizens and foreign nationals, and especially when the foreign national is a member of the Russian government and/or intelligence services. It’s the NSA’s job to analyze those communications and pass their findings to other relevant intelligence services like the FBI, especially if it seems that US laws are being violated, and remember that the law involved here is the Logan Act, which is an important law designed to deal with/try to prevent unauthorized US citizens from trying to negotiate deals with foreign governments that might affect US government policy. It’s not some kind of bureaucratic trifle.
???Are you kidding??? The logan act is important? Nobody has ever been prosecuted and it was specifically aimed (by Pres Adams- who also passed a sedition act) at private persons who supported the French Revolution.
The reason it is still around is that nobody has been prosecuted because it would be impossible to figure out what constitutes foreign influence. Would contribution to a foreign charity (such as in Israel) be construed as a violation? Serving in the Peace Corps?
Take your blinders off, this has everything to do with the un-elected police state influencing domestic politics.
‘they are implanting the thought in peoples heads that trump and his administration are russian plants,’
It might be much, much worst – as in peoples heads trump and his administrations are just… ‘plants’?
Anyone in US intelligence who has info on Trump and his “associates” had better release it now, since there’s a pretty good chance they won’t be in their jobs much longer. Here’s a tweet from Kellyanne Conway from Jan 28 2017:
“Get used to it. @POTUS is a man of action and impact.
Promises made, promises kept.
Shock to the system.
And he’s just getting started”
And, two days after Trump’s inauguration, Conway said “it’s really time for (Trump) to put in his own security and intelligence community.”
What this is, is the beginning’s of a civil war/war with Russia, that the global power elite have wanted for a long time. what these “anon” sources are doing is an act of treason in this case. Glenn just has a bias….that is very evident.
The “global power elite” don’t want a war with Russia. But they do want to keep Russia contained so that it can’t build an economic version of the Soviet Union’s satellite states, in which it doesn’t so much militarily occupy other countries, but has economic domination over them by making Russia their main source of oil and gas, leading to cultural influence as well.
that sounds like a war to me
A containment strategy isn’t war, in this instance–“war” in this example would involve shooting and bombing.
Well and good for the power elite and the oil, defense, and financial companies that back them. How is this “containment” good for the average joe sixpack that voted for Trump because he was tired of foreign wars and being lectured by the elites on how to think?
I’m certain that the Trump administration is now working overtime to find and fire everyone they can, at all the intelligence agencies, who has or might leak info. The FBI announced today that they won’t recommend charges against Flynn, and it wouldn’t surprise me if, after the ongoing purge, that those who remain at the FBI and elsewhere will drag their feet if the Senate proceeds with any of their plans to investigate further. Some proof of this is that the FBI said today that they now think that Flynn didn’t deliberately mislead them when he lied to them. I have no idea how that works. Since the FBI may have been involved in the leaking, Trump and his people may have gotten to the FBI in the past 24 hours with a variety of threats.
On second thought, an immediate stanching of FBI leaks doesn’t require firing anybody there–though that will happen over time, the appointment of Sessions as US attorney general has given him control over who the US will prosecute, and he’s said he won’t file charges against Flynn. With that as a roadblock, it reduces the effectiveness of any leaks from the FBI. Sessions also served as an advisor to the Trump campaign, so he’s been in Trump’s pocket for some time.
Hilarious, yeah I mean Trump is blameless. No hold it’s Soros’ fault, it’s all him, no that’s the Clinton’s they did that to Trump, oh maybe the illuminatis, no it’s those rigged medias, fault. Sad!
Trump team fucked up big time, PERIOD as spicy would say. This is already the beginning of the end for him.
What’s next though?
Although I agree with your point about the importance of leaks to both transparency and governmental integrity, and I even agree that this particular leak was fully justified, I nonetheless think that the ignoble motives of these intelligence community leakers actually matter very much.
As you have recently written yourself, the ejection, by the intelligence community, of members of the Trump administration, and ultimately Trump himself, represents an undemocratic transfer of power, as well as an increase in the influence of a cabal that has shown little respect for democracy, governments, or citizens.
If that group can choose to leak information about Flynn (and eventually Trump), it can just as easily choose to *not* leak it for Pence, who would rise to the Presidency uf Trump were impeached. This could provide a potent covert influence on a government freshly purged of Trump and his sycophants.
Perhaps the threat posed by Trump is so great that his flushing by such a toxic group is tolerable, but we should never lose sight of the threat that allowing this causes.
That’s possible–selective release of info to favor Pence, who is probably more palatable to US intelligence. But from what we’ve seen of Trump, as you say, Pence with all his faults really does seem more palatable than Trump to more people than just the US intelligence community. But what secret info would US intelligence have on Pence anyway? My sense is that Pence hasn’t been kept in the loop about the Trump people’s dealings with Russia, so he probably can’t be held accountable there. Pence’s political and cultural views are well-known, so there are probably no secrets there either.
Well put, but i would say this, this should never be tolerable. It’s literally treason. Compared to what snowden did, or william binney, this is treason. They exposed unconstitutional programs. It’s not illegal to have conversation with people unless freedom of speech is illegal now. Especially if its your job. This is all bs to further divide this country for the coming civil war.
This isn’t a matter of violation of free speech. You need to read up on what the Logan Act is. Flynn violated it by having communications, while still a private citizen, with the Russian government telling them that they shouldn’t retaliate against the sanctions that the Obama administration had just imposed on Russia, since Trump would lift those sanctions when he took office. Flynn wasn’t yet national security advisor, so it wasn’t his job to talk to Russia, because Trump hadn’t yet been sworn in. It doesn’t matter if Trump was due to be sworn in about a month later–the US has a one-president-at-a-time policy.
You might want to read up on what treason actually means. I’d suggest looking up “literally” while you’re at it.
Flynn’s conversations weren’t ‘classified’, therefore no felony was committed.
That a “leak” was illegal but…….justified? What an astonishing change of heart. Would the Left feel the same if it was Julian Assange?
Loving the leaker
Unless the urine is on your shoes
Real leakers giving golden shoeshines on the Trump Towers mezzanine level…
Technically, Glenn, you exhibit the same behavior that you highlight. Sad to say you are every bit as much as a creature of Washington’s political establishment as Flynn.
After cheering every illegal leak to come down the pike in the Obama era, somehow when Trump leaks started you reacted thus: https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/
In the end, much like every sad-sack GOPer, backing Trump got you burned. Turns out that dossier was compiled by a highly respected source completely outside America’s intelligence agencies … and claims made in it are now being definitively confirmed. This leaves you looking more worried about moving the ball on your own lingering personal conflict with Obama’s administration – grinding your axe on career intelligence staffers – rather than holding a very questionable administration to account.
Now that these increasing leaks can no longer be trivially denigrated based on the imagined identity and motivation of those who have leaked, you’re trying to position yourself again as an above-and-apart figure? The entire premise is tortured bullshit – not in the observations you make, but in the implication that this is a phenomena you are neutrally observing while you are actively engaged in precisely the same behavior is wholly disingenuous.
When the leaker was a Manning or Snowden, you supported it without question. When the leaks appeared to be from intelligence sources, you attacked them with the same lack of thought. Maybe you aren’t drawing your lines precisely on the Dem/GOP divide, but that doesn’t change the lack of consistency in your position on people who leak.
What’s changed from that last piece? These are the exact same people moving forward and engaging the precise tactics you excoriated not weeks ago. Now, suddenly, they’re all good after all? What a difference a few days makes, eh? The only outward difference seems to be that your original stance simply isn’t marketable any more. You were wrong … and you’ve pivoted without even pretending to square with last week’s position (unless you imagine that’s what this piece is – which it isn’t).
So face it, your own assertions are entirely product of what rhetoric is needed to advance the political factions you personally want to see empowered leavened with which assertions will personally provide most benefit your career – just like every other hack in Washington.
Did you read it? really? or are you trying to find a way to slag Glenn.
I believe that the only thing Greenwald seems to miss is that intention doesn’t matter. I agree that intention isn’t always in play, but given the OVERWHELMING desire by the Deep State etc. to overthrow, subvert, stifle Trump ( Chuck Schumer is correct) intention needs to be examined here.
There is a deeper context to this “scandal” and it needs to be discussed. Heh maybe there will be another grassy knoll!
“…turns out that dossier was compiled by a highly respected source completely outside America’s intelligence agencies” (who for some reason handed it over to a one time MI6 agent who went on the lam after dropping a dime)
“… and claims made in it are now being definitively confirmed” (please provide the name and address for the team of consulting urologists)
If you think Glenn Greenwald is a “sad-sack GOPer”, you truly are an idiot.
I just re-read Glenn’s previous article that you link to, and this current article, and you’re right–Glenn’s prior article was a complete excoriation of the US intelligence community’s reputation, saying that much of the community’s prior behavior made its tentative support of the Steele dossier completely non-credible. Now, when some of the same intelligence people leak their signals intercepts of the contents of Flynn’s calls to the Russians, Glenn hails them as brave felons.
Alternate-fact-based TrumpaLumps are going nuts whipping up conspiracy after conspiracy just to explain the actions of a pathological liar: AhmadiTrump!
Reality check much?!
what do you think 9 people leaking info in a collaborative effort with media outlets…that by definition is a conspiracy.
This is why we need a patriotic revolution to hit the reset button and start running this country based on the laws and constitution on which it was founded. There’s too much corruption, bureaucrats drunk on power, journalism has become the politburo to take down its enemies, and seedy hands are running our government for the globalists, foreign interests, and self interests. If only John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington could see what this country has become….they be upset no one stood up to the deep state by now. Bout time for that tree of liberty to get refreshed with the blood of tyrants. And it needs to happen before all the tyrants and oligarchs of silicon valley build their drone/robot Army to run from their billion dollar bunkers to keep the (serfs) masses in check
The list of the ” founding fathers” would TOTALLY recognize what is going on now. Why do so many Americans think things were better then? The founding fathers were slave owning, tax dodging, religious zealots (not all)– sorry what is new?
I think people have forgotten what America is. Some extremely brave men banding together and, against all odds, defeated an oppressive ruling empire.
These men decided to try something that was unheard of at the time. They would form a nation that was ruled by it’s people.
Because of these brave and noble individuals the west enjoys profound liberties.
Even the right to spew the hatred you show these men.
Flynn should be canonized for preventing war with Russia. Like the Dems always say…he misspoke. President Trump should revoke Flynn resignation. We did I not vote got pence, Reince to spicer…we voted for Trump ,Bannon, Flynn and Kellyanne. We are readying to crush this Obama Underground attempted take over.
The deep state wants TPP, World War 3 with Russia, and the continuation of their corruption. Trump stands against all of that, so they are going after him by any means necessary. As many have noted here, if there was hard evidence of Flynn having broken the law it would have been released.
Whatever one may think of Trump, does anyone seriously believe that a 70-year old multi-billionaire real estate developer and a 3-star General with a 30-year military career are working together on behalf of the Russian government?
Exactly
Not all leaks are created equal!
Trump leaks = good. Hillary leaks = good.
Seeing TrumpaLumps squirm because Dear Leader is a liar: priceless!
Huh?
Did you miss your midday meds?
Deep State leaks designed to sideline those seeking to reign in an out of control Intelligence and law enforcement community (like Flynn was) = Hillary leaks.
But it wouldn’t have been just Flynn’s communications. The intelligence services and, most likely, the Israelis and British too have clearly been on a fishing expedition to discredit Trump and prevent anyone who wants dialogue with Russia to be in power. They may well be blackmailing other members of the administration with other intercepted communications – perhaps even Trump himself.
The man behind the curtain (ie deep state run by intelligence) hates being revealed. What they have been effectively running the US since Eisenhower? YUP– remember his speech?
Good. article. I understand Flynn’s lie is the cruz of why he was fired. However, how are Flynn’s conversations with the Russian diplomat a “material matter”? Do we know exactly what the context was, and how they were discussed? Is it in the ordinary course of business for NSA advisors of an incoming administration to have discussions with diplomats of foreign nations?
Additionally, I don’t think it’s wise to praise whistleblowers who leak information due to personal vendettas or ideological opposition. Whistleblowers should leak to reveal to the public, to borrow your phrasing, “material wrongdoings”, and I’m not yet convinced that Flynn’s discussions with the Russian ambassador were “material” enough to warrant the criminal leaks.
Beautifully put! Exactly. We don’t know what the discussion was.
The only complaint I have about Glenn’s column is that he believes motives are not important. Your distinction is right– and in this case both motives are evident.
This Flynn leak (even Glenn feels it was vindictive most likely) is all part of moving Trump to the position that the Intelligence Community wants him in–beholdent to them and never questioning him.
For the first time, I actually understand why you call it “The Intercept”.
After scanning through the comments I still find it impossible to justify this leak as Mr. Greenwald seems to do. There is a very stark difference between a whistleblower and a leaker. The whistleblower ALWAYS has evidence of a crime or an imminent threat to the public that needs to be exposed. No crime by Flynn, means to me the leaker(s) should be hunted down, tried, and do federal prison time. Some contacts actually should remain off the record. There seems to be this entire mindset of people that despise the President, that think that every moment of every interaction, by every govt official, should be pushed out into the public domain, even (or possibly even preferably) if it harms the security or business of the nation. I think that is a very wrongheaded and emotional response.
Great distinction!
Epic fail on summary. Violation of Law is violation of USConstitution. So who broke the law and Constitution? Not Flynn. But Oath Sworn Federal Employees. When a Federal Employee violates his sworn oath, it’s an act of Treason. When it’s done in a classified national security environment…it’s HIGH TREASON, A CAPITAL OFFENSE…DEATH PENALTY, Yep, your assessment is niave, at best, dishonest at the least.
You are talking to someone who doesn’t care about rule of law or the Constitution. He is encouraging people to violate the Constitution and commit acts of grave damage to the country. If that is his starting point, he is a lost cause. He should be shamed into thinking differently, but too many like him want limited anarchy that benefits their job, fortunes, and ego.
Man, you two are a pair. Security Daddy Trump will make it all better.
And “limited anarchy”? You should trademark that oxymoron.
“Shamed into thinking differently” You can’t force others to agree with you, and as the massive backlash against PC culture has shown, the more you try to squash opposing thoughts, the more you anger those you are oppressing. Everyone has a right to express their own opinion, and it speaks more to your personal fears and insecurities that you cannot respect others 1st Amendment rights. Live and let live, my friend.
A Man with a Withered Hand
9 “He went on from there and entered their synagogue. 10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse him. 11 He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13 Then he said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And the man stretched it out, and it was restored, healthy like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him, how to destroy him.”
The “(mis)interpreted law was illegal to begin with.
Flynn was forced to resign not so much because of the content of his conversations but because he lied about it. No need to argue whether or not he did anything wrong having the conversation, what he did wrong was lie about what was discussed.
I don’t think you, I, Mr. Greenwald, or anyone else can say for certain why he was fired. People in govt are offer fired for a public reason that is widely divergent from the actual truth.
Glenn,
While I agree with you about the hypocrisy on display of both sides of the partisan divide, I disagree that the motivation for leaking is irrelevant. In cases where the leak is motivated by the noble intention of revealing some wrong-doing to and otherwise uninformed public, I believe it serves as a check on power and is to therefore be celebrated.
In the case the Flynn leaks however, it seems obvious that the leaks are motivated by spite and have amounted to little more than suggestions and innuendo. Has any evidence of wrongdoing been presented? It’s clear that leakers or their media counterparts are stopping short of any hard evidence in favor of a gray area where they are free to write stories filled with presumptions of guilt targeted at their political foes. Unless the leaks reveal some kind of wrongdoing I think they are correctly categorized as an abuse of power and “political assassinations.”
Finally, if some evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Flynn is presented, these leaks will gain at least some shred of credibility though it’s still clear they are the result of political spite and not of the noble sort.
So, your intelligence allows for convincing yourself that violation of the law is OK because the effects were honorable (to you). With your reasoning, any illegal action can be justified if somehow, someway, someone can describe how it is honorable. Insane.
The proper procedure that someone should have taken, instead of leaking classified signal intelligence, would be summarize the content of the call and escalate it internally. There are many methods of internal escalation not limited to parties in the executive branch, that would still keep the sigint undisclosed. This is simple stuff and any excuse not to follow the law, and several other oaths that I am sure were broken, is a moral failing.
Wait just a minute. These are unverified anonymous leaks coming from the intelligence community. The recordings of Gen. Flynn’s conversations with Sergey Kislyak have not been leaked to the public. Without access to those recordings, we don’t know if he broke the law, lied, or did anything unethical at all.
Is this the same Glenn Greenwald who warned us against “venerating unverified, anonymous CIA leaks”?
In an article that he wrote about Russian hacking allegations he said, “There is still no such evidence for any of these claims. What we have instead are assertions, disseminated by anonymous people, completely unaccompanied by any evidence, let alone proof. As a result, none of the purported evidence — still — can be publicly seen, reviewed, or discussed. Anonymous claims leaked to newspapers about what the CIA believes do not constitute proof, and certainly do not constitute reliable evidence that substitutes for actual evidence that can be reviewed. Have we really not learned this lesson yet?”
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/
How is this different? At the end of the day all we have to go on is the reporting of journalists quoting “officials speaking on condition of anonymity”.
Snowden and Manning leaked hard evidence consisting of authentic documents and videos. What got leaked here are conclusions made by persons unknown based on evidence that none of us have access to.
In Flynn’s letter of resignation he says, “Because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador.” What if that’s the truth and he made an honest mistake? Without access to the recordings, I certainly can’t assess the plausibility of his story.
I have a serious problem with our intelligence community abusing their access to SIGINT to cherry pick information that they leak to the press and in order to manipulate public opinion and assassinate the character of their political opponents.
Drawing moral equivalence between these leaks and the ones by Manning and Snowden is like drawing moral equivalence between John Dillinger and Robin Hood. The motivation behind the leaks absolutely matters.
Yup, Greenwald is not being consistent here. You are right the comparison he makes (Snowden, Manning) has no moral equivalence.
You are completely right, I totally agree. What gives with the double-standard, Glenn?
I truly believe that Trump is going to investigate this no matter who it hurts. Who is behind it? Well, that’s the story here. I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama on down had this in works when Flynn made the call. If Trump could prove Obama and minions are guilty of 798 of the US code, he will implement punishment to the fullest extent of the law barring none since it was purposely done to bring down his Administration. I hope everyone involves whether it’s right or left gets jailtime…it will be well deserved.
I hope, sister.
See there lies the problem.. He cannot investigate himself. He knew the communications were taking place and his minions were orchestrating this plot. The question is, what’s Russia’s and Trump endgame ? More leaks to come..
Great article! I changed my opinion and no longer want the leakers prosecuted. Trump should pardon ALL whistle blowers and fire all Obama hold overs.
Bull crap! All whistle blowers need to be prosecuted, regardless. It is the only way to discourage leaks of national security. There will always be someone who has a moral argument about something that is happening in national security. We can’t have people using their own moral judgments defining our foreign and domestic policy. You may find Snowden and the others admirable. I find them to be treasonous. We might as well just eliminate national security if we are going to excuse any type of leaks as “acceptable”.
The question is what is Russia’s end game.?
Its only been 25 days since this President took office and clearly there is a hidden agenda to undermine America for Russia, and the Intel community knows this. The Prez claim that Flynn actions were not trustworthy, but its only been 25 days. What could he have possibly done but lie to an innocent faith toting evangelical, Pence who does not have a clue as to what is going on. He found out after the leak from the WP.
This leak proves that the Prez is in on the master plan; his key placed of advisers and contributors is in on it as well, and the Intel community is trained to shed light on our enemies foreign and domestic. To them, its not breaking the law, but it is what American trained them to do, and they knew that this Intel would lead to more questions ,so we finally can get to the TRUTH!!!
What is Russia’s endgame besides destabilizing our democracy and having a spy as the NSA Director, but its not working because the key player has been exposed, so in Washington that means he is tainted and nobody will touch him and they know he is vulnerable because he knows too much and he will eventually “come in” and reveal the Truth or these people, Russia or America will exterminate him. That’s why they expose him. Welcome to Washington. It’s a dog eat dog world and leaks are as common as cement for sidewalks..
His credibility is gone and he no longer has access.. You can’t make this up.. It’s a true story of espionage and an America President who is being blackmailed or cooperating with our enemy..
Michael Moore,I hope you are getting all of this and make a movie.. This is too good!!
Sigh…. really THIS is your concern. Making a movie about this???
This comment reminds me of the guy who runs the shell game at the Carnival– he says ” watch my hands” and moves the shells around– all so he can do a slight of hand and fool people.
Oh and by the way — what you depict is exactly what US goverments have been doing to many many countries around the world for a very long time.
Dorian’s self portrait a simple caricature.
The whole seems pretty benign actually…
A National Security Advisor talking to basically his counterpart in another country?
Wow, string him up and quarter him… /sarc
In all actuality, this “backdoor diplomacy” happens all the time… Why is it suddenly a big deal now? Oh, I know… It’s because hillary lost…
And the intelligence departments basically need to be burned down and rebuilt… They have been against trump since the very beginning… Because they indeed have something to lose… No more wars? Can’t have that!
>_>
As if trump is any less of a warmonger
He wasn’t the National Security Advisor, & was actively undermining the United States ability to enact sanctions in retaliation for undermining the US elections in his favor. So yes it does matter because it wasn’t his turn to do some “backdoor diplomacy”. Second, the assertion that Donald Trump will be a peaceful president & that the intelligence community can’t count on him to start a war is absurd.
was actively undermining the United States ability to enact sanctions
First, he had no power to undermine that ability and any talks he had did no such thing. Second, the sanctions themselves were a meaningless (if idiotic) piece of theater meant only to ‘punish’ Russia for something it didn’t do.
So now lying to Congress and the public is an issue.
It wasn’t when Obama sent Rice out (after Hillary refused the task) to all five — count’em, FIVE — Sunday talk shows, to spin some tale about a video (known to no one!) supposedly having provoked the disaster in Benghazi. Nor when, at the subsequent hearing on Capitol Hill, the deeply complicit Secretary lied through her teeth and infamously snapped “What difference does it make?”
So the melodrama reported above notwithstanding, this matter with Flynn was a non-issue; the alleged crime, trivial. The Logan Act? Never even been *prosecuted*, in over two centuries. Even as more recently, Democrats violated it *routinely*, and openly, to undermine the Republican administrations they hated. For example:
Targeting President Reagan, Ted Kennedy sought collaboration with the Soviet Union! (See Paul Kengor, et. al.). Discovered a quarter century ago, this gross subterfuge had absolutely zero effect on the Senator’s career.
In contrast, the only thing here was the incoming national security adviser’s alleged failure to inform Pence about some details of his conversation. Indeed, if Flynn was discussing the sanctions and diplomatic expulsions with Russia, to what end, when that part of the discussion went unreported to his bosses?
Face it: the professional left are out for scalps; and they are energized and funded like absolutely never before. In Flynn, they took out a lifelong, registered Democrat who served the previous administration well. An honorable man, with a long, distinguished career, who has known only service to his nation.
And really, what have they accomplished? From their perspective, his replacement is likely to be worse. Flynn counseled Trump back to the outdated One China policy! And didn’t the left warn us about allowing Trump’s finger on “the button”? Now Putin is supposedly worried about a geopolitically untethered Trump, forced politically toward animus with Russia! What a tangled web has been weaved.
But for a moment, put aside this truly **laughable** spectacle of the Democrats — a party which has historically sympathized with (and even aided) communists and the USSR — accusing a Republican president of being too close to the Russians. No one and I mean **no one** is discussing the fallout on our intelligence gathering from this leak:
Confirmation that we are still successfully monitoring the Russians’ electronic communications — even years after Snowden tipped them off.
That said, we now know the deep state wanted Flynn out because he was about to dissect, disclose, and dismantle Ben Rhodes’ masterpiece of duplicity — the infamous Iran deal. Well, I hope Flynn’s replacement makes those mullahs quake in their sandals — and our left, with them.
how disappointing to see you trying to equate Flynn with Clapper. how disappointing to see you compare anything to what is happening here.
I’d expect from you a big reveal, not a shove under the carpet.
Glenn,
Of course you are right. But I think the really worrisome part of all this is that we are happily making bedfellows of the Deep State, out which the leaks are clearly coming. We’re grateful for them now, but what if Bernie had been elected? He might have been received with a similar kind of hostility, albeit not such an easy target. It is important to remember here who the deep state serves-the Coporate State. Trump is not a Deep Stater, which is probably the only good thing about him. My point is this: In the end, the Deep State apparatus is lethal to democracy and will bite us in the ass.
Why are you grateful for them now? Because you don’t like Trump? Is that a good reason for allowing the Deep State to continue to rule?
Like you I like that Trump is not a Deep Stater– but does disliking Trump justify the Flynn leaks? And guess what you have already been bitten in the ass.
Did Flynn commit a crime with speaking with the Russians? No. So his crime was what again? Yet the intelligence agents who listened on conversation between the coming administration and another gov’t are justified in leaking this information? Buddy I get you may have been through the wringer in your career but sh*t like this gets people killed down range. And people like the leakers and the “journalists” never bleed a drop.
Ahh. The “justification” was so noble???
You seem to make it plausible that committing the act of murder because you needed to rob someone to feed their kid is “justifiable” in your column.
The LAW is written in a manner- as are all laws- that the “justification” for an act or action is NOT a reasonable defense. Never has been in a court of law. Unless you live in a totalitarian State, of which we do NOT.
Mr. Greenwald, let me remind you that we live in a nation where the RULE OF LAW prevails, not the “motives of man”. And your attempt at a “justification” of ILLEGAL ACTS doesn’t meet the smell test here.
What it DOES do is once again, expose the FASCISM within the liberal/progressive wing of this nation. Because that “totalitarian state” you seek has its roots in the FASCISM of the past, present, and any future you seem to want.
So now, it’s no longer “fashionable” to hide that simple fact that YOU AND YOUR ILK no longer want to live in a nation where the RULE OF LAW prevails on any and ALL matters of crime, but rather, you want to find some “justification” to committing crime and excuse it at its heart.
And the Oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution against both foreign & domestic threats; that appears to mean nothing to “YOU AND YOUR ILK”!
Using your logic, Manning, Wikileaks and Snowdon should walk as well because thay all disclosed illegalities and improprieties by he government. The key question is why Obama operatives are being permitted to atack and disrupt the new administration in a manner never before imagined.
Glen,
You are correct that there has been a double-standard on both sides of the aisle & much information has been hidden under the proclamation of National Security for the sole purpose of keeping the information hidden from public knowledge.
Manning, Snowden, Drake, etc. have provided courageous & honorable whistleblowing actions at great sacrifice and to terrific benefit to the citizens of the United States. They along with these recent “leakers” are sadly demonstrating more integrity & patriotism to the United States and the citizenry than our elected officials. I believe that history will judge them far more kindly than the organizations for which they worked & the Administrations for which they’ve served.
In reading through the comments with repeated calls for their heads & statements that these whistleblowers should have followed protocol and reported these incidents internally; following their chain of command…how has that worked for women in the military reporting rape & sexual assault? How did it work for Snowden who attempted to do just that? How did it work for Manning who was getting horrific backlash for being a transgendered person? How did it work for Valerie Plane when her husband challenged the claim of WMD? How did that work for Sibel Edmonds?
Following the outlined protocol for whistleblowing nearly resulted in my death and I will live with the destructive repercussions for the remainder of my life. No, it is entirely naive to believe that good will come from whistleblowing through established internal channels!
If these officials can prove that they took this information up the chain of command and it was rejected/ignored, then no jail. If they can’t prove they did that, jail. We cannot have our country run by black ops intelligence agencies spilling secrets to sink anyone they don’t like.
Maybe the leaks are justified, but it does still strike me me as slimy that the Intel community would release them in a partial form.
Have they released the entire recorded conversation yet?
These leaks most certainly were not justified. These leakers are undermining a duly elected government, attempting to cause chaos in an attempt to overthrow it. They will not be sucessful. They are grossly underestimating the resolve and numbers of true Americans. Flynn did nothing wrong or illegal. He certainly did nothing than most of the Democrats do all of the time. These leakers should suffer the full extent of the law both legally, professionally and personally.
If the truth undermines a government, the problem is with the government, not the truth.
What’s the truth? That’s his point, these leaks have been very selective and wholly lacking in substance. Has any evidence of wrongdoing been presented at this time? Either the leakers or the journalists have been very selective in what’s presented, stopping short of evidence in favor of assumptions.
Wow Phil– you have the truth. Please give us the details!! / snarc. Melissa and Mike make great points. Show us the details. Frankly, I am always suspect when we don’t get the details– either –what they say isn’t true OR they are busy fabricating audio, pics whatever (remember the WMD pics?)
Wholly Justified Felonies…??? Never heard that one before….then they should not be afraid to release the “Entire” Conversation, correct? And they should not be afraid to spend up to 20 years in a Federal Prison for breaking the Law.
This is such a ball of crap from the Left….release the total script…tell us who it was that released secret information on an American citizen in an attempt to destroy a political appointee of the President….I want names….I want reasons, not conjecture…..you can’t make truth out of gossip and lies…..
Release the names of the leakers…Prosecute them according to the Law !!
Only a Liberal nut job could come up with an idiotic comment like Greenwalds..
I am curious, if at the time Flynn was a private citizen, subject to the Logan Act, how could there be classified data? What organization would be placing that classification on the material? The American Legion? VFW? He was a private citizen, therefore what was said cannot be classified…just saying, given I spent almost 8 years dealing with classified information…it has to be given that classification by some government authority…the transition team? That isn’t working well, so maybe the reason no charges are filed is because there was no crime…because it was official governmental business that could be classified, it wouldn’t have been subject to the Logan Act.
The intercept of Flynn’s communications with the Russian ambassador was anything but routine, despite the author’s attempt to propagate that line. Nor is it routine that the Kremlin has charged many of its own intelligence officials with treason, or that a Russian spy-intel communications ship patrols our Eastern coast. What Greenwald omits is as interesting as what he advances.
Greenwald should point out the leakers informed the press, when they could have told Trump/Pence.
That action tells us their motives weren’t for the good of the country. We have people in the government, who are trying to take it down.
Exactly
Both the “journalist” and the “leaker” need to spend 10 years in the Federal slammer. That would dry up all these inteligence leaks overnight.
I don’t know that we should applaud this disclosure without knowing additional facts. Currently, all that we know is that the security state took deliberately criminal actions to undermine an elected government. This is no small thing and I do not believe that it is wise to lionize such activities unless the public value of such disclosure clearly and substantially outweighs the danger to our democratic institution.
This leak, while certainly of public interest, falls far short, IMHO, of the threshold necessary to justify such action. This leak comes no where close to those leaks made by Snowden, Manning, or Deep Throat.
No individual should be allowed to violate national security laws without expecting to face justice.
Mr Greenwald is justifying every act of espionage from Benedict Arnold to Edward Snowden by saying that if the person believes he’s doing the ‘right thing’ then he should be spared from the consequences.
Even those traitors who gave nuclear secrets to the USSR genuinely believed it was justified.
‘Civil disobedience’ is by definition the willingness of a person to violate a law and face the legal consequences of his actions as a matter of principle.
Too many people today believe that civil disobedience is an automatic justification and exemption from prosecution.
Including, apparently, Mr Greenwald. He is sadly mistaken.
Every single day PROVES that Trump was right on target when he said he wanted to drain the swamp. The security perceived by the Democrats is NOT from Trump, but the nameless, faceless bureaucracy (sp?) that holds allegiance not to country, but the top dollar. I was never a BIG Conspiracy Theory-type until the last eight years, and now…
Where is that balance between our right to know vs. the Governments’ right NOT to tell us?
Comey may have convicted poor Scooter Libby (to whom the spineless Bush refused a pardon), but Comey would not dare go after Flynn in a trial open to the public.
The problem with “righteous” leaks is that the leaker cannot know all consequences of the leaks, particularly where highly classified material may result in incarceration, torture, and death of US agents, or foreign agents aiding the US. That is why prosecution and punishment must be utilized even if the short term intention of the leaker seems justified.
Lt. General (Retired) Mike Flynn was NOT a “high government official” at the time of the phone calls, as you “fibbed” in your article. He was a private citizen. You should consult with a REPUTABLE attorney before you go any further. And, those leakers “leaked” upon that private citizen, so they are open to arrest, prosecution, and jail time for their screw-up.
It more certainly was not justified. Flynn was discussing the 35 diplomats expelled by Obama to poison as much as he could.
Flynn did nothing illegal or shocking.
If this continues we really will have the CIA in direct control of the country.
Well you dems cannot accept the EC results of the election. Yep, you sure know how to win popularity! Not! It will come back to bite you during the elections!
I wish they would have done this much “reporting ” when Pres Obama was caught on open mike with the Russians saying he can give them more when he is reelected.
I suppose that it would have been too difficult for the ‘purported leakers’ to have moseyed across the lawn and had a discreet conversation with the new Attorney General (yeah, the very one whose approval was held up why the Dems) and have disclosed to him the fact that there might be an issue needed some remediation. That’s just a observation regarding the ‘sincerity’ of their selective outrage which so provoked the leakers (how many now? 5, 9, more?) into committing their various felonies and risking the security of this country and the effectiveness of it’s government.
This reminds me of the arguments floated during the release of the Pentagon Papers.
Mr Glen Greenwald, Mussolini could not have said it better!
Lt. General (Retired) Flynn was NOT a “high government official” at the time of those phone calls. Perhaps a REPUTABLE attorney can explain that major difference to you. He was a private U.S. citizen at the time, so your “sources” need to get together with their own lawyers before they can once again tell you that they are safe, legally, from arrest and prosecution for violating several laws.
Anyone dealing with classified and/or sensitive signs an NDA (non disclosure agreement) so I hope they find the leakers and prosecute. Seems like liberals think they are exempt form laws (I.e. queen Hllary).
Hill is liberal as much as her boss Barry was a peacemaker.
Then they won’t mind serving ten years per charge.
Find them, prosecute them, jail them, then take all obomites, and can them all, w/extreme prejudice, PERIOD!!!
I think it’s no question that flynn was in the wrong but my concern and supposedly this publications has been listening into the conversayions of privste citizens. What happened to only the collrction of metadate? Now we find out the supposed reforms be Obama were lies. He loosened the restriction on who could see this date…the famous 16 intelligence agencies. This was hatched by Obams and his aids to allow their appointees to have access to this data. I call that collusion to bring down the government of the US. That is sedition! You don’t see the anger building away from your east and west coast bubbles. We may have civil war in this country because of this. Be warned these people may destroy our country.
So why is the leaker’s not hunted down like Snowden / Assange >>>WHY>>>Because the leakers are Liberal / Democrat ‘ Pieces of Sheit” Losers and ” Melting Snowflakes”.
As journalists on The Intercept have noted many times, the merits of a leak in serving the _public interest_ can be measured in direct proportion to the actual consequences borne upon the leakers. By this measure, Manning, Snowden, Binney, Drake, … are distinguished. Did leaks against Flynn require such inordinate courage?
So its ok to commit a federal epinage crime as long as you disagree with the current party in power?
Glenn Greenwald left the USA for Rio .
Federal law opining is nothing personal to him.
Flynn is an innocent victim & Greenwald is parroting hearsay.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE CONCERNING THE LIE YOU REPEAT.
GOEBBELS 2.0
Let it go, glenn, dear.
This article is disturbing. Is our country now at the mercy of what the democrats and the elitist media? They are the “holier than thou” that seeks only to destroy the very president america voted for.
I have been saying, even before he won, that I’m way more concerned with the consolidation of power from the media/Hollywood celebrities than I am with Trump… Now you add high ranking intelligence agencies to the mix working for their own political agenda (no different than modern media) and it’s way more alarming than a single man serving as POTUS
Saying the leaks were justified is complete and total garbage. Lest we forget General Flynn was not a government official at the time and also title for tat is not a defense for a leak.
These officials MUST be brought to justice and tried. The fact Glenn Greenwald writes of it.makes it smell like they were from the left and the Intel leaker an Obama holdover. Let them share a cell.
Like the BS would have been Accepted when the LIBERAL SHITS were in the White House!!!!!
I for one don’t see anything virtuous going on here. If you want to be a whistle-blower, that’s good – come forward and tell the truth. Don’t hide behind anonymity. And does anyone believe that Gen. Flynn’s conversations were accidentally picked up because only Russian diplomats were under surveillance? The CIA hates Flynn.
Obama should never have sanctioned Russia, never have ousted the 35 diplomats. Trump could easily have come out publicly himself and told Russia not to worry — his campaign said as much. It was another hateful thing for Obama to promise Australia the US would admit those 100+ refugees, totally contradictory to Trump’s campaign promises. (And then there’s NATO build-up along Russian border, and so much more!) There should be a distinction between political and self sacrificing, conscience-stricken leakers like Snowden. The former should not be tolerated, much less protected. So Glenn, we’re for you, but politics has run amok in Washington. Let’s cut it, not trumpet it.
Glenn, there are leaks that expose the wrong-doing of those in power, and then there are “leaks” that come from those in power with the goal of undermining the people who are working against them. Assange, Manning and Snowden were examples of the former; this latest NSA/CIA “leak”, however, is definitely a case of the latter. You should know the difference, Glenn. Shame on you …
Mr. Greenwald you said, “Yet very few people are calling for a criminal investigation or the prosecution of these leakers, nor demanding the leakers step forward and “face the music” — for very good reason: The officials leaking this information acted justifiably, despite the fact that they violated the law. ” “Justifiably” is an opinion that you allowed to have but they violated the law so it doesn’t really matter if it was justifiable or not. They should be tried and jailed according to the law. If people cal break the law because they don’t like it then we are not a nation of laws, we are just a bunch of people who happen to live in the same place.
It will be interesting to see if Attorney General Sessions will go after the criminals who leaked this information or if we are truly reduced to a police state that would make George Orwell proud.
There is no justification for selectively exposing confidential calls between world leaders (or their officials) and the Trump administration. There was ZERO evidence of wrongdoing regarding Flynn’s calls and the content of the calls has never been released, only the subject matter, which has resulting in nothing but speculation and mud-slinging by the “media” and establishment/ career politicians. The continuous attacks by the establishment bureaucracy is no different than the IRS’s Lois Lerner attacking conservative Americans.
What exactly did Flynn say, we really do not know. This leak and now the NYT story just seem like the story that Russians hijacked the election and have infiltrated the government narrative to undermine Trump. By the time this frenzy hits its peak no one will care if there ends up being no charges brought or any actual truth to it. Like the Movie The Russians are Coming —PANIC
Let’s get this straight…the Flynn leak is OK yet the DNC leaks are crimes against humanity…
“The officials leaking this information acted justifiably, despite the fact that they violated the law. ”
Of course, when something similar happens ih the future, under a Democrat president, this will no longer by justified; there will be purges and people will go to prison. Libs are not very insightful people, so they should pay attention now: do NOT – ever – support actions or processes that you would be against if the other side held power. And the more power you give ot the government, the more corruption and abuses you will see. it’s THAT simple, and it’s all in the Constitutions, written, like so loong ago.
A “justified” felony?
So anytime someone feels that they have the moral high ground they can commit a felony with impunity. Good to know, but how far does it extend? Violence? Murder?
The “end justifies the means” thinking can get dangerous very quickly.
Did he commit a crime: “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.” He was still a private citizen at the time, so yes, he committed a crime. Are the leaks illegal? Yes, they are and the law should be applied as applicable, however, there is a bit of ethical wiggle room for all leaks and leakers. In fact, it may be advised that if the leak is in the interest of correcting falsehood, it should not be illegal. Take Snowden, the idea was simple, the Government has been lying every time a politician says “We don’t have a clear Cyber-Security/Cyber-Intelligence policy. Hell both HRC and Trumpo said the same shit at the debates. Snowden proved that was a blatantly false statement. In this case, a person who blatantly lied about conversations he had, got a healthy dose of truth thrown to him. It’s rather ignorant to believe that one group with power won’t go after another group that it hates, if it has sufficient information on them. It’s also blatantly ignorant to state that it hurts the intel community. Who cares? This is a group of the Millitary Industrial Complex, set up by former Nazis and SS. I could give two shits if it hurts them, stop lying, and shit might actually work out. In fact, every bit of our Government lies on a consistent basis. The American people? They are too stupid and intellectually lazy to actually change things. They think symbolic actions like investigations, jail, and other nonsense will actually work. The reality is the only thing that changes peoples actions is blood. Let’s start hanging some of them, I’ll bet you’ll get quick turnaround.
What disturbs me is there a LOT of use of the word “lying” flying about by people who don’t know anything! Some reporters says some “unnamed” sources said Flynn lied when he said he didn’t “discuss” sanctions. What does “discuss” mean? If he said “Hey, about these sanctions. Here’s what I propose we do. Have Putin do this, and I’ll have Trump do that, and…” that’s a discussion and something he would remember. If the Russian asked “what about the sanctions?” and Flynn said “you will need to take those up with President Trump”, that is technically a discussion, but is more of a response to a question, and something Flynn wouldn’t be likely to recall a couple of months later when asked if discussed sanctions . In his mind, he probably didn’t.
lock em up
Why have they not released the entire transcript. Maybe because it would absolve Flynn? Until the total transcript is released I say B.S.
Will stand corrected otherwise. Trying to judge without all input is sad journalism
Actually, the leaks do not establish that Flynn lied. They establish that Flynn discussed sanctions prior to being sworn in, which in of itself, is not actionable. Nor do we know which party to the conversation raised the topic. More importantly, we are not privy to the conversation between Flynn and Pence. For all we know, Pence may have directed the conversation and Flynn fell on his sword. Or perhaps Trump directed it, and told Flynn to tell no one, even Pence.
Doesn’t help when the Colgate university alum and the news bobble heads went to school together, in order to “stick it to da’ (white) man”.
These kind of lame excuses about committing felonies was justified doesn’t work for the little guy. Try telling a judge that you did indeed commit a felony but were totally justified and he’ll laugh in your face as they haul you off. Its pretty disgusting to hear these kind of excuses.
I suppose murder is also justified, as long as the victim is someone the foaming at the mouth left doesn’t like? By all means, let’s install a police State run by intelligence professionals. Excellent idea. And we KNOW they won’t ever come after oh so clever fellows who write in newspapers. That never happens.
The enemy within has struck…
Looking at the big picture, which libs are unable comprehend, Flynn, in my opinion, was try to stop a war with Russia. He could not wait because Barry was doing his damdest by the sanctions and moving military hardware to start something Russia.
At this point I would trust Putin over any of the dirtbag RINO’s and crazy libs! At this point in time, Putin and Trump know we must have an alliance in this crazy radicalized world!
This is the most defective piece I have read of Greenwald’s in a long time. There are many reasons Flynn might have resigned, only one of which is the official story that he misled higher ups in the Trump administration (not to mention the ridiculous story that he violated the never-enforced 18th century Logan Act). Why should we believe anything about the matter when all the relevant documentation is being kept secret? Do we take the word of anonymous sources in intelligence and/or in the Trump administration? Or do we withhold judgment until we see real evidence?
Flynn himself wasn’t even allowed to review the transcript of his call with the Russian diplomat and was ordered not to speak to the press. So, all we are hearing is one side of the story. It could well be that Flynn did nothing to mislead his superiors or the public. Greenwald should refrain from judging anything that comes from “anonymous official sources”, treat what they say as no more than possibly true, and consider other possible truths that may being concealed because keeping them secret favors various powers that be.
Flynn lies about a private meeting with Russians and is forced to resign without even knowing the contents of the meeting. Hillary lies about everything, involving everyone, breaks umpteen laws, and she’s made out to be a Saint. Go figure.
Let me see if I understand the argument you’re making. It’s OK to commit major felonies as long as you’re doing it for reasons you deem justified. In this case, to reveal VERY LEGAL activities of one of your political opponents. Yeah, lets not forget that. Flynn broke no laws. Talking to the Russians was no more illegal than when Obama’s team talked to the Iranians before his inauguration in 2009. In fact, the only sin Flynn committed was not being honest with his own administration about the conversations he had.
This is an obvious set up where a child could detect it. One point missed in this article was the misrepresentation of us (the public) “need to know” ! If you know anything about negotiations, you don’t take the issues to the people. Having a million inputs from the ill-informed liberals/conservatives would make it impossible to resolve any major national security issues. I laugh at how Pilosi and Cunningham are using “fake twitter news” to hang Flynn out to dry. Remember their silence and obstruction regarding Benghazi ? Enough said!
I have to ask: Do you think Flynn went rogue and called the Russian Ambassador on his own or was he ask to open up a line of Communications at the behest of the President Elect.
One angle I haven’t heard is the disclosure to Russia that we were listening in to that ambassador’s phone line. I know all is fair in love and espionage , but to actually let it be known that we had access to that phone line now informs Russia to:
1) change phone line
2) review all prior conversations on this line and presume they are compromised.
This effectively ruined an asset for future intel, only because someone wanted to ruin a political career. Whether or not the subsequent conversation with the Vice-Pres. was truthful or not, to release the fact that we had a positive link to the Russian ambassador’s phone line is actually risking our national security.
It’s going to be great to watch POTUS investigate and nail the anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats leaking classified information at Obama’s direction. Obama will not be able to raise his big-eared head in public in the end.
Can I be your tinfoil salesman?
Are you that dense? You don’t get that “intelligence” officials are illegally leaking things, so as to damage the new President?
Dense? Richard is suggesting, and by your comments I’m guessing you agree, that “big eared” Obama is orchestrating this (love the thinly disguised racism, I eagerly await the excuses). Why would he need to orchestrate anything? The CIA and other intelligence hacks don’t need any direction.
I’m not a fan of BO, at all, but if you somehow believe what Richard is shilling then it looks like I’ve got another customer…Clara below, too.
And what are you wing-nuts doing here? Is it getting slow over at Breitbart?
Funny you have a supply of “tin foil”. Sounds like you need it!
Hear Hear!
Ha! This leak was just the first shot across Trump’s bow. The spooks undoubtedly have many more such missles to send his way. There will be no investigation, at least not by anyone who values his or her own career.
I think it is odd. They can find all of Flynn’s phone calls but not the “high-level” people in THEIR OWN AGENCIES that leaked them.
Flynn is accused of “talking to the Russians.” That’s wrong because. . . .why? They don’t want him “talking to” the Russians because he might give away secrets?
And that’s their job?
” The only reason the public learned about Flynn’s lie is because someone inside the U.S. government violated the criminal law by leaking the contents of Flynn’s intercepted communications.”
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The timeline is wrong here. The Illegal leak came first the lie to the Vice President came after.
The media disseminated classified information,and information obtained illegally. The media is not at liberty to amplify the crime by publishing the information ( and/or their interpretation of it ).
Round up those that published it (in any form), and press federal charges. This includes the editors, writers, announcers, and associated personnel in the organizations/corporations.
The media is not at liberty to … publish… information ( and/or their interpretation of it ).
Are you serious? That’s their entire reason for existing.
DEMS finally got their Russian issue. The spooks in the FBI who work for Hillary may be on the Clinton payroll. Let’s get all the rats on the ship out in the open. But WPost is not an honest broker….LIB/DNC bias. Appoint a special prosecutor and btw, get to the bottom of the Clinton Mafia ops.
No Mr. Greenwald, an illegal act is still illegal. Its this sort of twisted thinking that is destroying our institutions one by one. Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. He lied and got caught, he resigned, but nothing illegal. So many lie constantly and never resign (there is an awfully big list from the last 8 years). Those who abused their power will be likely to continue to do so. The moles need to be sniffed out at put behind bars. End of story.
I must blow the whistle on Glenn Greenwald. There is no “whistleblower” exception or defense to the espionage act or other laws on secret intelligence that allows someone to leak information, either to the press or anyone else. That is the key argument that Edward Snowden (remember him, Glenn?) makes for not returning to the US to face the charges against him. Glenn might WISH for such a defense, but for good reason, none exists at present. Those with the information about Mike Flynn’s lie have channels within the agencies to report such information to higher ups. Apparently, that was done. President Trump and other administration officials knew about the lie, according to reports, and were in the process of investigating, but had not yet acted. The information could, and may have been, reported to Congress, including those in the opposition with security clearances. Either way, the intelligence would have been protected. Reporting to opposition Congressmen and Senators certainly would have forced action. In his article, Glenn is being disingenuous by not admitting the fact that whistleblower laws do not apply to intelligence leaks as he has described. Glenn, do not ignore the elephant in the room!
Simple answer. Either they come forward, or Trump ends the phone tap program completely.
You want to have the right to use this tool? Prove you are trustworthy.
The Intercept. Come for the articles, leave before the comments.
I whole-heartedly disagree with Mr Greenwald. The leakers should be found. Publicly tried, shamed , and imprisoned. The denizens of the swamp must be put on notice that they will abide the law, do their duty, and stay in line. There repercussions for illegal behavior should be swift and heavy.
“That’s because the leaks revealed that a high government official…blatantly lied to the public about a material matter …and the public has the absolute right to know this.”
Perhaps we should recall how often Obama and those in his administration lied, too? From ‘glib’ comments to ‘people who pleaded the 5th’ to ‘resignations’ of an attorney general…why didn’t Dems cry and whine about those?? Where’s the justice in those cases?
So you’re saying the ends justify the means? What a crock.
This was a political hit job, nothing more.
The “lie” Flynn supposedly made was not even about a crime; it was not illegal to discuss the sanctions- the law is about acting as a diplomat which is not accurate in this case. Flynn may have discussed the diplomats and even the sanctions, but let’s see the evidence that he made some type of deal or promises- right, it’s not there.
This is a smear campaign run by political bureaucratic hacks and partisan media hacks to embarrass and take down the Trump administration any way they can- and if they are doing it illegally, then they should be held acountable. Sorry, this is not some whistleblower exposing illegal actions- it is purely partisan politics.
Hillary was guilty of much worse- millions accepted to Clinton slush Fund- er, Foundation as Sec. of State, selling uranium rights to Canadian who sold immediately to Russians- after Bill given $500K for 1/2 hour speech to Russians- come on, people, get real!!!
Come one, people! We are all being gamed here with this Flynn issue. He has clearly been playing a scripted role for some time. Take a good look at the guys’ resume and tell me this old guard, Pentagon/deep state insider is someone who we can really believe is genuinely “pro Russian”: “Michael Thomas “Mike” Flynn (born December 1958) is a retired United States Army Lieutenant General who was the 18th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Flynn’s military career was primarily operational, with numerous combat arms, conventional and special operations senior intelligence assignments. He co-authored a report in January 2010 through the Center for a New American Security entitled Fixing Intel: A Blueprint for Making Intelligence Relevant in Afghanistan.[5] In addition, Flynn served as the commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, chair of the Military Intelligence Board, Assistant Director of National Intelligence,[6][7] and the senior intelligence officer for the Joint Special Operations Command.” Now how in the fuck does someone who served in these positions suddenly become “pro Russian”??? This was a set up, we are being psyoped and manipulated into a “liberal” hate fest against Russia. Doesn’t anyone else find it mighty curious to see how cleverly otherwise liberal Dems have been manipulated into being raging anti Russian war hawks supporting the deep state’s endless wars of aggression?
Thank You. Well said and i agree this is liberal pot stirring.
You know Cassius (below) thinks you’re kinda cute with your whole “can’t tell on military official from another but I’d like to play one on TV” schtick but we took an oath to protect and defend so don’t let me distract you.
You’re dead right. Flynns not Pro Russia. This was a setup.
Absolutely right. Anyone who is against permanent war state is a threat to deep state and will be removed. Expect more such things in future. We should protect our democracy from this scam.
Question: Are we a nation of laws or not? How true is it that “no man is above the law?” This is a mighty sword….until it isn’t when pure situational ethics ascends excusing and encouraging clear law violations in the name of some moral, extra-legal good which is a trump card to be played by the all-knowing media types hyping copy, ratings, viewership, etc. What silliness. What hypocrisy.
There is absolutely no justification for this.
For the sake of discussion, let’s pretend for a moment that the wildest and most unhinged lies, hate and slander of the left wing were true. Still, Flynn’s actions were not illegal, not even a technical violation, and not even improper.
So, the notion that somehow government leakers committed very very serious felonies and created a very very very damaging breach for some sort of selfless “noble” or “public good” purpose is monumental B. S.
Perhaps some don’t like Trump, perhaps some would have preferred someone else; but like it or not Trump is the president. And if you work for the government you are still required to do your job and obey the laws of the nation.
Now HERE is the bombshell of this story: according to WaPo, NINE different people with fat cushy well paid government jobs participated in this act that under normal circumstances would bring very lengthy prison sentences. And this large number of people are apparently unafraid of being caught and of being prosecuted.
Let that sink in for a moment.
Such a large cabal of rogue government employees in very very high and powerful positions is a terrifyingly dangerous situation.
This is a very serious situation that has dogged several administrations. They need to find the leakers which should be simple since so few have access and prosecute them fully. If crimes are revealed by others so be it. There are ways to deal with that also.
This is what police states do. It’s just incredibly sad it is politicized.
Here’s another revelation: Nobody Cares.
Yep.
My take is completely the opposite. The element of security trumps (no pun intended) all other issues. The government cannot conduct relationships with other nations if they know someone is listening and publishing conversations between heads of state. Furthermore, the issue had no place in the hands of the FBI to begin with and should have been denied to guard secret information as best as possible after it was known by Flynn that there were leaks. He fell on his sword, something non-military people might find difficult to understand. The notion of honor and sacrifice for one’s nation seems to be alien to many who currently occupy positions in our national government. The entire issue of whether Flynn discussed sanctions is mute considering he was part of the TRANSITION team working to enable the new administration to take over from day one. The only issue I can see is why, after a national presidential election it take 3 months for the new president to take over. That is time for a fiend like Obama to use to thwart the intentions of the voting public and defy it’s wishes (something he got quite used to for 8 years). These leaks can only be explained by realizing the traitorous behavior of actors within the government. And not by Flynn.
By this same logic, if a Federal employee blows up Madonna’s house, citing her stated desire to “blow up the White House”, they would be perfectly justified in doing so, as an act of “national defense”?
My belief is it works both ways. As far as I have examined Flynn did nothing illegal, but even if he had, it would have been the right thing to do since Obama was driving us toward a useless and dangerous conflict, and possibly war with Russia, and punishing them with sanctions as he perceived them to be his personal political enemy (Syria), with no thought for the welfare of our country.
If Flynn stopped WW3 with a phonecall, and escalating tensions, hear hear! It was the right thing to do!
As for lying, it is sometimes the right thing to do, for instance, if a rapist breaks in my house and asks if my wife is at home, when she is, and I say no, she is not.
The reason for the deception must always be understood to measure the morality of a lie. It’s bearing false witness against someone that is ALWAYS heinous and immoral. To smear someone with false allegations is always wrong.
I guess Flynn should have just told the Russians the same thing during a “hot mike” episode, like Obama did when he told Medved “he’d have more flexibility after the election”. Then he wouldn’t have gotten in trouble. This is just bullshit. What Flynn did was probably say, “hey, just relax about these sanctions. After the election we’ll take care of that.” Isn’t that true, and doesn’t a new Admin. have the authority to evaluate sanctions from a prior administration?
Another question: The call(s) Flynn made were under Obama’s watch. Why did Intel hold this information until Trump/Flinn were into office then leak to the Press? It reeks of a Set Up.
Glen, don’t you find it curious that deep-state has yet to leak anything on the vast-yet-invisible Russian interference of our 2016 national election? They seem to be leaking everything else…
Yes Dan. Along with everything else they’re releasing to selectively level their adversaries why not at the same time shut down that whole holier than thou #showmeactualevidence crowd once and for all.
Perhaps you’d want to rethink the notion that basic principles of US justice, or journalism, or, say, science– are “holier-than-thou”, because they all demand some form of verifiable evidence.
Sorry Glenn, you comparison of the Intel leakers to whistle-blowers simply fails on definition alone. Whistle-blowers generally are disclosing illegality being committed by Government Agency bureaucrats. Whereas the Intel leakers are actually the bureaucrats -whether political appointees or regular Agency employees who are committing the illegal acts. It is highly doubtful that Flynn committed a criminal act, but his inexplicable falsehood is troublesome.
What’s inexplicable about falsehoods coming out of a liar?
Did not need to go any further than the first paragraph. If the commision of a felonious act was justified to expose further illegal actions by a member of the administration, then the person who committed those acts has signed up to take the responsibility for that felonious action. Two crimes. Two punishments. One crime does not cancel out the punishment, no matter the intent.
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On Monday while President Obama was taking part in a global nuclear security summit in South Korea, he was caught on tape asking for Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for “space.” “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama implored. Obama assured the departing Russian President he will have the “flexibility” required to deal with missile defense issues after the 2012 presidential election.
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ichiban3081 year ago
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT YOGA, GUYS! Putin let him borrow a yoga dvd and Obama said he didn’t have time to use it until after his election, obvs.?
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This Sling & Stone1 month ago
Ya, we know how serious these guys take their yogo, I mean Hillary sent 33,000 email about it, needed a private server for it!?
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DjHotchickhugr15 hours ago
HHAHA remember this. ANNNNNNND now Flynn is gone again for a similar reason?
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Jim Gallagher2 months ago
So, maybe Putin hacked the 2012 election for Obama??
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Cosmosis FX2 years ago
Pseudo-intellectual crypto-Marxist troglodytic dimwitted oaf…
I don’t give a damn if Obama is black, half white, or half black, he’s 100% dumb shit.
It only takes a spoonful of feces to ruin a huge pot of stew
Americans should be ashamed for re-electing this subversive fraud for a second term.?
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wilsonram392 years ago
+eric22701 Who are you referring to exactly and what brings you to act as if everyone should know de facto that modern day elections aren’t fair??
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Billy Bob Thornton Jr2 years ago
+eric22701 fair? politics have ever been fair??
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JihadAeon2 years ago
So what exactly is the difference between selling the defenses of West Point (Benedict Arnold) & selling the MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM three previous administrations negotiated for?
This was not a mic “slip” this was TREASON…
but since the Media doesn’t do their FUCKING JOB it’s business as usual.
And now AFTER O is safely re-elected and Winter Olympics are done…BOOM!!
You watch, Obama will bluster, threaten and DO NOTHING!
He is compromised.
Pray for the Ukraine?
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lookingup824 days ago
Dr. Suckmibalz that. slip is gone, edited out now!!!?
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Dr. Suckmibalz4 days ago
+lookingup82 ofcourse it is….?
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???5 months ago
Barack Obama is totally irresponsible president for United States?Disgusting?
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Edrin3 months ago
Was?
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Jay Dillon3 weeks ago
Obama must be tried for TREASON and punished accordingly.?
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Thomas Schmidt1 year ago
Wait, why is Medvedov saying he will notify Putin about this.. when Medvedov was the president at this time? Hmm?
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BigV9 months ago
+Thomas Schmidt Vlad was always the real power. Med was his sidekick and front for the job.?
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Ivan Delint9 months ago
+Thomas Schmidt Putin was Prime Minister at the time??
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DONGOE2 years ago
BarackO – “I am a big pussy, so do anything you want.”?
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BenMJay8 months ago
+DONGOE I can’t wait until Trump is President. At least Trump loves America. Not like the traitor Obama. Not like the European Cucks who are seeking to destroy Europe by mass immigration of the muslim horde. Too much of liberal pussys to stop it. Putin wont let that happen to Russia and Trump wont let that happen to America. I see a Russian-American alliance forming.?
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rathergrumpy1 day ago
Oh, exciting! So what does Russia have that we need???
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Will Chu1 year ago
What’s happening today with the bombings is what this chatter was all about!?
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Colby Chase2 years ago
I find it absolutely amazing how the comments have changed from when this video was originally released to the comments on here now. It has switched from “You’re a paranoid racist and a bigot!” to what you see now. I’ve been saying this Man is a liar since day one. Took Americans 6 years to figure it out….depressing.?
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yamerification1 year ago
No kidding?
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deepC40NJ2 years ago
Flexibility, that word has many hidden innuendos, we witness the results at this time.
How can anyone sane still back this apparent betrayal of American sovereignty/values? Lunacy!
I never understood how many people HATE the USA until this regime landed from outerspace/Chicago via Kenya.?
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deepC40NJ2 years ago
Factual scenario, I agree. He’s doing a GREAT job on that flexibility thingy. Jesus save us.?
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grichens1 year ago
+deepC40NJ “Flexibility, that word has many hidden innuendos…”
True. Obama supporters have been trying to spin this as though he meant to convey to Medvedev that it would be improper to discuss the deployment of missles in Poland before the election. But for Obama to begin by stating “This is *my last* election” is strong evidence of his true intention was to convince Medvedev that he would change his stated foreign policy after he was safely re-elected for his second term – after which time his constituents could do nothing.?
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Católico Apostólico Romano3 months ago
Obama is a communist that weakened america, and now our country is vulnerable?
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dholiday2323 years ago
Odummer is such an Idiot and is totally outclassed by the Russians.?
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Carol Solle4 months ago
Press has made us fully aware of Trump’s hot mic faux pas. Why not Obama’s??
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TechOutsider3 months ago
You know why, so this was rhetorical. They are all in on the scam to the people.?
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Ben Palmer1 year ago
Obama is a waste of space. Much like all of Congress and the Senate?
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Kevin McClintock2 years ago
So invading the Ukraine is the “flexibility” he was showing. Hmmmm… ?
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Comrade Snarky2 years ago
I speak Russian, so yeah… That’s what it says. Sadly, I can’t find the actual article online.?
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Gamer1Wolf19 hours ago
Ukraine has always being eastern Slavic. Ukrainians and Russians are the same people.?
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fountainhead3 months ago
Remember when liberals actually DEFENDED our president’s acting cordially towards Russia? Now that it’s a Republican doing it they want blood.?
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Street Pirate1 month ago
Trump is extreme ball sack licking Putin, that’s the difference.?
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Eric Bayne1 month ago
Street Pirate ass pirate is more like it.?
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Michael G.2 months ago
Wait.. when did Hillary and Obama help funnel 20% of our Uranium stockpiles to Russia? What the actual fuck.?
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Xx EVIL OM3N xX1 month ago
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0&referer=?
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Xx EVIL OM3N xX1 month ago
And here is Wikileaks own summary for you.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/press-release?
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Thomas Evans3 years ago
Still think your vote counts??
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Blank Stare2 months ago
Russians hacked his microphone.?
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rickochey2 years ago
he said, “my wife and I are more flexible after the election”…?
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SikMisfits2 years ago
No he didn’t I listened to it again and you’re BS. And stop thumbing up your own comments.?
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“The officials leaking this information acted justifiably, despite the fact that they violated the law.”
That is not up to anyone but a judge and or jury to decide. The spooks of our intelligence community violated the law, just like Snowden. Whom ever released and or published this information should be charged with the crime.
The swamp is trying to stop Trump from being drained.
The release of this information and publication needs prosecution. These people are not working to help the American people. They are out to sabotage Trump and the American people who want to bring the government back under the control of “We The People”
Ironic that those who leaked the information are not criminals, but having a private conversation with a Russian diplomat is criminal, and the tapping and release of the transcripts violates substantially more criminal laws then any violated potentially by Flynn. The double standard is the height of hypocrisy, but the ends always justify the means when your a leftist.
Donnie and Bibi sittin’ in a tree – about to hold a joint press conference.
So close, yet SO FAR . . . OFF!
Motive is most certainly NOT irrelevant. The sole reason whistle blower laws exist is to encourage and protect those who, IN GOOD FAITH, disclose improprieties. The leftist propaganda machine (who some refer to as “journalists”) were merely doing their job of aiding the progressive cause in any way possible. But the leakers within the intelligence community? Felons who belong in jail, period!
I’m truly torn about what to believe. Did Trump coordinate with the Russians, accepting their help in attacking Hillary? Were promises implied?
Or is this an American Coup d’etat in the making? It’s obvious those in the intel community, loyal Democrats, are determined to take down Trump, and they are using a media which is as usual excited at the thought of bringing down a Republican. We’ve seen this media/intel network in action for months now, and Glenn has written on it. This same group smeared Trump with strange stories about golden showers in Moscow.
Where is the truth in this? It’s obvious there is at least some degree of lying within the Trump admin. And it’s equally obvious that this elite intel/Democrat/media faction is trying to take down a President. Both actions are despicable.
The dendrite spindles are weak in this one Luke.
Slap an all weather electroencephelograph on him, perform non invasive opgen stim (the scar tissue blocks the signal) and use the big TMS magnets this time before dosing him with Ketamine and dropping him in the isolation tank. Then pay the girls and tell them about next Thursdays job.
FYI…This happened After Trump was elected…Hillary at that time was a Non-issue.
I totally agree. From where I sit, as a former Democrat, I am absolutely appalled at the level of puerile rhetoric coming from the left. Streep mentioned ‘brownshirts’ in her anti-Trump harangue. Others have called Trump, ‘Hitler.” Where are the Jewish voices rising up to demand respect for the millions that died in the Holocaust? Silent.
The Democrats have taken this too far…it borders on sedition. Their adolescent behavior speaks volumes. Now they are licking their lips in the hopes this will end in their devout hope….the impeachment of a President.
Or worse…perhaps he might accomplish something good for the American people! Then they might have to come up with actual ideas that make sense, instead of their rancid hate against half of the America that didn’t vote the Despicable One, HRC.
And you’re surprised that “Democrats have taken this too far……”? They’ve been doing precisely that my entire life and what they have been doing since Nov 9, in between their crying, is just more of this…..on steroids.
NY Times article… On January 12, 2017 President Obama signed order to expand NSA ability to share information obtained while spying on private citizens.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out
Pardon Eric Snowden to help drain the swamp: http://billlawrenceonline.com/pardon-eric-snowden/
Since when did “illegal” become justified?
Read “Barry and the Boys” if you can find it. It’s all about the CIA and heroin. They don’t care who is in charge, just don’t get in the way of the flow from Afghanistan.
We only see half the story. The real question is the rest of the story. If there was an issue we would have seen the transcripts showing what he said a word for word. Just look at history Teddy K in the 80’s and Obama before he even took office.
I just wish the resipracal phone calls attached to Clinton’s 33000 hidden emails would have been leaked.
There is little doubt that all arrows point to Barack Obama’s Organizing for America. It appears that agents working for OfA have broken the law. If there are any honest people in the FBI and Congress, they will be found out and prosecuted. If the GOP are wise, they will realize (perhaps already they have) that the Democrats are not their friends. The Democrats are not friends of America.
Screw the “Intelligence,” community… They’re nothing but trouble!
Forbes magazine
8/28/2009 @ 12:01AM
Ted Kennedy’s Soviet Gambit
Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.
“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”
Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”
Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.
I think that the NSA should now publish any recorded calls with Mr. Greenwald and his sources ( who must be unmasked) that indicate there were any verifiable lies contained in these conversation. We can all then be the judge if such releases are justifiable concerning their content and what effect they might have.
The so called “Intelligence Community,” is the real problem in our country… We don’t need the NSA, nor the CIA; and besides, I don’t trust any of these agencies and their bureaucratic fiefdoms, anyway…
These agencies, are more trouble than they’re worth…
This is a terrible thing regardless of who is in power. You’re celebrating it today b/c of your partisan views, but if it becomes the norm for government officials to break the law based on their preferences, it will prove enormously destructive. Foolish to applaud it.
Lying to the FBI is a crime … Flynn committed that crime apparently. But Hillary lied to the FBI as well. If Flynn is prosecuted, why won’t Hillary be similarly prosecuted?
I usually agree with Glenn, but not in this case. The motive of the leakers is very important and putting them in the same category as Snowden is wrong. These people leaked to get their adversary fired, which means they are using the media and people for their own selfish benefits, as such these “leakers”, should be persecuted to the full extent of the law. Protecting them is counter productive, because in the end of the day we are being used by this scam. I understand what Glenn means by protecting leakers, but these people don’t deserve the protection and if encourage them it is just going to give them more motivation to use us in the future.
My point is not political, but by allowing this scam to use us for their own benefits brings more harm then good.
Agreed. Motive is always a factor. Also what Glenn calls Flynn’s “lies” are not that at all. He allegedly said he said to the Ambassador that once we are in office after the inauguration we will review all Obama issues. Obama’s people were meeting with their counterparts in 2008 prior to Obama taking office…not a word from MSM
Sorry, but the price of principles is that they have to be applied consistently. If you want some leakers to be punished, you’re setting the stage for others to be punished in the future (including the ones with more honorable motives). If you consider leaks important and in the public interest, and think the Snowdens and Mannings of the world should be helped/protected, you have to accept those protections also being available to these mystery officials too.
But he’s not advocating inconsistency. He’s saying that motive is an appropriate aspect to take into consideration when deciding on reward or punishment. I don’t think that’s wrong.
Ehhh, I’m not sure doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is really grounds for punishment. I’d argue more for erring on the side of protection where whistleblowing is concerned… the things being leaked here may have been pretty small potatoes, but cracking down on those who did it will only worsen the witch hunt against the next Snowden too.
The problem is they are not doing the right thing. The are using media and us to settle scores at the same time getting protection, which they would be the first ones to deny to Snowden. I don’t buy that this scam found integrity, but rather Glenn wants us to wishfully to be used and abused by the scam who bends the rule to their will. We should protect Snowden and Manning, but we should call out this scam who tries to abuse the system for their selfish needs. If Snowden did what he had done for personal benefits I would be calling for his head too, irrespective of what he leaked. Their honorable motives give them the protection and respect that they deserve.
I don’t care about Flynn, but this intelligence scam using us is worse then anything else. People should forget that in call cases the entrenched establishment is the number ONE enemy.
Snowden did it for selfish reasons too.
Just as it would be equally consistent (and in the same spirit) for unidentified members of every intelligence community mystery officials staffs to name names just as Pierre Omyidar has the names of every NSA employees found willfully (its in the oath stupid) violating the civil rights of innocent US Citizens under color of law in the almost universal absence of imminent danger.
orez is correct. Snowden leaked because of his oath to the Constitution. These leakers did for political purposes and should be prosecuted. Motive matters in most legal cases and does determine outcomes/sentences. These weren’t whistle-blowers as much as political hacks.
Just like the author, you are sidestepping the only important issue, which is the moral issue. Leaking is justified if there’s a national security interest. Snowden put his life on the line to tell Americans about a completely illegal and program which threatened the integrity of our constitution; the Flynn leakers exposed what is clearly some shady connection to Russia, or else Flynn wouldn’t have lied about it. And there has not been, despite the insinuation of this article, a great difference in how each incident was received by the liberal press — both have been extremely positive. Sorry if actual reality conflicts with… whatever this is.
At the time of the phone calls, he was President-elect Trump, the campaign was over – it was the transition period. Flynn did not commit any crime by speaking with the Russians. Who allowed a US citizen’s phone to be hacked? Who was the person(s) who authorized this? There has to be some sort of record of this? Unless someone in the IC did this knowing it was against the law. 0bama was in charge at the time of all of this. Chuck Schmer threatened President Elect Trump that the IC was going to get back at him. Was this coordinated with the Chuck? DNC? White House? A lot of dead smelly fish out there. President Trump is more right than we want him to be.
So, good guys can break the law. And the left will decide who the good guys are for us.
Sounds like a plan. A plan for tyranny.
OOOH! All the Tyrranysaurus Rump lovers are tuning into Glenn Greenwald; heck, they seem to be his biggest fans, trying out their “logic” and their true blue loyalty, looking for you to waste your time in an endless argument. They are just soooo jealous that Glenn Greenwald has an audience, won by moral consistency and defense of the constitution, by clear prose and courage to continue the tradition of investigative journalism and questioning power that is one of the best aspects of American culture.
LOL, okay so when a leak hurts the democrats it’s Russia trying to take over America and we should ignore the material leaked, but when a leak hurts Trump it should be protected. I didn’t see these people (Trump haters) calling for whistle blower protections when the leaks about crooked Hillary hit the news. CNN said it’s illegal to look at wikileaks, member? I member.
These days Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer say the NSA and the CIA are the good guys because thats what the NSA and CIA told them to say or else.
So who has control over the electrons emanating from the White House and OEOB, and to what purpose will they use them to politically assassinate the opposition? What we are witnessing is the Deep State coming up for air, and it isn’t pretty.
Hoover had nothing on these criminals lurking within our intelligence community.
Actually according to I believe Mark Felt Hoover had quite a set of files on OSS and early CIA officers.
Also looks like the Deep State is doing a better job of looking out for our Nat’l security interests/vetting cabinet appointees than the WH.
When you look at the people, entities and institutions that are in an absolute panic and blindly trashing about Trump, you know we picked the right man.
Purge all this repulsive, treasonous entrenched DC filth. Purge the spooks and get someone other than the keystone cops to run it.
DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!!!
By the way, where was all the outrage at Obama’s wink, wink, nudge, nudge with Medvedev?
AMEN! Trump needs to throw down the gauntlet to the embedded traitors wherever they are. General Flynn, a registered Democrat, was also a true patriot and a threat to the plans of the Globalists. Russia, the only country to thus far throw off its Communist/Globalist masters and in the process of returning to its nationalist / Orthodox Christian roots, is therefore also hated by the secular elites who would run the world for their own profit and amusement.
I would guess it’s more an expedient way to get a smoother Swamp Creature (Pence),and add water, than draining anything. ; )
Btw , actual swamps are a good thing . ;)
I agree with many of your points but it is more complicated than whether leaks are good or bad.
Leaks from CIA / FBI is scary if you believe there is a shadow government that wants to run the show (promoting war to sell weapons, secure positions and oil). It is also scary if it comes from employees from previous administrations because once the current president is out “what goes around comes around” which is a huge part of what is happening now.
I hated the Bush administration and how the Republicans treated Obama in the last 8 years but I equally hate the payback which is happening now. Trump deserves some of this but all this clawing, scratching and dirty play will lead to the revolt of the right (pissed about their democratic vote being negated), the breakdown in the press’ credibility (completely out of control already), violence and dirt play at the street as well as top level escalate to a level that we have never seen before, etc.. I am afraid this is going to be the new normal. Not a pretty picture. In the end who wins and who loses.
Tech wins with getting immigrants at 50% discounts while posing as the “good guys”, corporations win with getting illegal immigrants at cheap wages while the middle class supports the “unemployed or underpaid,” the military complex wins as US wages more wars (this time adding Russia to our long list), etc. We, the people lose (wages, jobs, free and objective press, political stability, and possibly war because we are signaling to all our foreign enemies that we have no power or unity or law).
Looks pretty dismal to me. Is the end of America as we know it? Instead of looking for real solutions to complex issues we have “dumbed” it down into Black&White thinking, name calling, rioting and violence. Take for example “illegal immigration.” If we look at all the issues and have a discussion maybe we would opt for securing our borders and tightening screening but allowing more immigrants in under work Visas with the ability to become citizens faster, easier and cheaper. If you are working you get to stay, if not, you have to return to your country but get come back if you secure another job. No welfare, free education or voting rights until you become a citizen. This of course would have to be strictly enforced but if you are a working and law abiding immigrant you can get citizenship within a relatively short period 3-5 yrs without the huge costs and aggravations that immigrants face now. That would prevent illegals coming in from the back door that Republicans seem to want for cheap labor and Democrats want for cheap votes. It would prevent the dangers that illegal immigrants face crossing our borders and it would minimize the cartel and other criminals from setting up show in our country.
In addition, American companies could pay an extra tax for hiring immigrants at their discounted rate which could go into retraining Americans out of work. Say Apple hires an immigrant for an entry level job at $30K instead of $60K, they could be taxing 50% of the difference, $15K to go towards retraining while still saving $15K a year.
These are just some thoughts…I have no background in economics. My point, as long as we stay the Blame Game, acting out the Karpam’s Drama Triangle of Dysfunction, how can we, the people, even know what is going on let alone start to work on solutions to our problems that are a win-win for all.
The post lightly [edited] for fun:
“Mr Greenwald
Whether it’s General Petraeus, Hillary Clinton or General Flynn, you continually equate what Snowden did to other national security breeches. That is completely false [of course. You have been comparing and contrasting the reactions to them, not equating them]. There are varying degrees of murder and what Snowden (and Manning) committed was first degree murder on US intelligence. [How else to explain my comments? Intelligence in the US is dead! Okay, maybe it’s not, but there’s certainly no sign of it in the space I occupy.] This is something that most Democrats and Republicans agree on.
[Here comes my straw man once again:] Snowden may have had the best of intentions, but what he did does not equate to the leaks by intelligence officials associated with General Flynn.
Additionally, [I] must be somewhat con[fused by the following] events, Mr. Greenwald. You wrote about the CIA in another article in which you
defended[observed] the election of Trump as a “threat” to the “deep state.” Now you seem to be defending the leaks by the “deep state”. . .There is no mistaking the “great good” in your statement [See, I can read]. Well, which is it? Are we rooting for or against the deep state?[. . .I just can’t understand what I read.]”
Too funny. Thanks for the laugh! Much appreciated. ;)
My pleasure.
“………You wrote about the CIA in another article in which you
defended[observed] the election of Trump as a “threat” to the “deep state.” Now you seem to be defending the leaks by the “deep state”. . ………” – DocHollywood (your insert in brackets, and you crossed out “defended”)HaHaHa. Of course, Doc, call it what you want Doc.
As an admirer of Glenn’s journalism who grew up during the Bush administration, and the shocking rise of the unconstitutional surveillance state, I think I’m naturally inclined to be skeptical of the CIA and the NSA. However, in context with everything else, including Trump’s bizarre, unabashed praise towards Putin, it does seem like this may turn out to be one of the most heinous scandals and acts of treason in American history.
Certain “apologists” for Putin and Trump (and I’m in no way suggesting Glenn or his supports fit this description) seem to err in thinking that because the US “intelligence community” is unethical, corrupt, or despicable, this means that Trump and/or Putin must therefore somehow be either “the good guys” or innocent victims if the former oppose them. But this would be a false dichotomy. The fact that the CIA and unethical officers of the surveillance state might have a vendetta against Trump doesn’t refute the possibility that Trump and his aides treasonously rose to power by colluding with a hostile foreign power. Nor, if true, does it remotely excuse it. One can be wary of the CIA’s past crimes and its unconstitutional overreach, while still supporting their efforts to uncover any ties between Trump and Putin.
Whenever “most Democrats and Republicans agree on” anything, that’s your first clue that’s a really bad idea.
And the Justice Department will be wholly justified when it sends the leakers to prison. Remember: proper legal channels existed to pursue this matter, and the leakers chose to commit an illegal act instead.
Mr. Greenwald I am an admirer of yours and still a conservative Republican. I do however disagree with your premise. These leakers SHOULD be prosecuted. The information they leaked seems to be something that doesn’t rise to the standard of breaking the law. It seems obvious that all these people consider themselves as above the law even though they have sworn to uphold it. A man’s word is his bond. If they can get away with seeing transcripts of illegally obtained documents and letting the press see them on General Flynn they can do it to anyone. The issue here is our privacy something you in the past have championed. I hope they catch these people and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law and stop this “situational” approach to punishment in the law.
What was “observed” by the leakers was NOT illegal for Flynn to do. The leaks were illegal. The “incomplete info” that Flynn told others was NOT illegal. Wrong, yes, illegal, no. The only illegal activity was by the leakers and their oath was not being challenged as the laws weren’t broken.
This article makes sense. Thank you.
“.. and the public has the absolute right to know this.”
The author of this totally lame piece seems to believe hearsay is real evidence and the public has the “right” too know about ANYONE who THEY (the liberals) believe broke the law. Where does this “right to know” end? How about an attack on Isis which seemingly was telegraphed by these same insiders to harm the president and instead KILLID one of our own troops?
These creeps broke the law and in doing so violated one of our most sacrosanct of rights, that of privacy. There was NO FISA Court warranty to intercept Flynn’s conversations and that in and of itself is a felony to be charged to whoever did this.
Finally no one, not the FBI or the NSA, CIA gas said what Flynn discussed even broke any laws and Flynn has publicly said the same.
So, liberals, where, WHERE is the evidence?
The DC swamp is loaded with Democrat bureaucrats who hate that they lost and will do whatever they can to derail the guy who only wants to save our republic.
Glenn, Parry,
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/14/trump-caves-on-flynns-resignation,
makes a significant case that should qualify your position that:
“But no matter. What matters is not the motive of the leaker but the effects of the leak. Any leak that results in the exposure of high-level wrongdoing — as this one did — should be praised, not scorned and punished.”
Parry makes a weak case that the neocons and liberal war hawks are behind the toppling of Flynn. He is promoting the idea that neocons (i.e. Washington Post etc.) are using the intelligence report to promote a new cold war. Parry calls the national intelligence assessment “unproven allegations”, but the Washington Post and the New York Times reflect democratic anger largely because of the US intelligence assessment. Obviously, the New York Times, Washington Post and most other democrats believe the report to be true (as do I). Considering the closeness of the election in crucial Midwestern states, the interference might have cost them the election – so these were extremely high stakes which were bound to come at a cost to US-Russian relations. Perhaps if those media outlets thought the intelligence reports were false, then Parry’s idea might be more believable (maybe).
Furthermore, this is the fallback from Trump questioning the intelligence assessment throughout the primaries and even after his election. A phone call to the Russian Ambassador discussing the new sanctions by the Obama Administration (before Trump took office) from the publicly skeptical newly elected Trump administration was bound to cause resentment by Democrats (not to mention the intelligence community) – especially considering the mild reaction of Putin to the newly imposed sanctions. Curious indeed.
Did Ignatius, or any other reporter, hear tapes? See and independently authenticate records, logs, or transcripts of calls? Or did they just post things they heard from someone else?
You sir are an idiot. If leaking lying officials determines what is just then you should be signing the praises of Wikileaks for their part in exposing the lies of Hillary and her band of misfits!
Can’t wait for the worm to turn…are you ready NYTWaPoLAT?
It’s becoming increasingly clear that it may ultimately become the responsibility of the 50+million people who elected President Trump to “drain the swamp”. We will not sit still for a “political coup”. We know you like to make jokes and stereotype us all as a bunch of idiot hillbilly’s but reality is quite another matter. We are from all walks of life with a variety of beliefs but a common love of this nation and the Constitution on which it was founded. We are also very well armed and will ultimately fight to whatever ends necessary to restore the rule of law to this nation and more importantly its Government!
Slightly off topic here. In regards to Twitter rantings and previous articles (yeah, I really need to sign up for an account there…one day): What the fuck is up with calling the intelligence community “deep state”? Sounds like conspiracy theory bullshit, like “chemtrails” and “gmo’s/vaccines are evil!”.
Glenn, you do well in holding the fire to the feet of the Dems (though, sadly, you don’t use the same intensity with the repubs), but you sound wacky calling IC deep state. Stick to the facts and dump the sensationalism–it seriously puts a damper on your reporting, unless you’re going for a style similar to that of RawStory. If that’s what you’re aiming for, then good job!
The ironic twist here is that the Dems narrative is now: Communication with Russians is heinous because Russians hacked the US presidential election by leaking Clinton and Podesta emails. So, the information leakers are heros because they exposed Trump officials communication with villains. And what makes those villains the villains they are is the fact that they leaked information.
Time to find and plug the holes
The leak by Government Officials is NEVER justified ! To say that it is , is Lunacy.
The Public has NO right to KNOW. The leak also let all the Countries we deal with know that we have the capability to intercept their calls. There is no such thing as a routine intercept !
Having a conversation with the Russian ambassador about Obama’s sanctions is hardly equivalent to Clapper outrageous lies to Congress. Revealing Intel intercepts to the press in this case was obviously an attempt to damage the Trump administration, even though Flynn was a Democrat in the Obama administration. There has been no evidence of crime revealed. but in this case the leaker should be prosecuted.
Here is the way the justice system works. The investigatory branch (the FBI) investigates evidence to determine whether a crime was committed and makes a recommendation about prosecution to the appropriate prosecutorial agency (the Justice Department). The prosecutorial agency decides if prosecution is appropriate and proceeds with building a case which is done by grand jury indictment or information. The prosecution is announced and the press reports on it. Violation of confidentiality at any stage before charging should be prosecuted just like the alleged crime. Achievement of a desired political result by breaching prosecutorial confidentiality at any point along the way is not a defense.
CIA more sophisticated in dealing with Trump than they were with Kennedy.
The nebulous definition of justification as implied by this article is another example of greasing the already slippery slope of situation ethics. The expressed goal of the radical left is to make this country ungovernable, and leaks from the unintelligent from among the intelligence community is contributing to their cause exponentially. This should have been done within the bounds of current law. Yes, it would have taken longer, and the goal of destroying the Trump administration would have been delayed, but the results would have been constructive and not destructive. The leakers, and anyone else, politician, media, or otherwise, who committed crimes need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Vigilantism withing the halls of government is repugnant.
Give me a break. If you think these leaks are no politically motivated then you are naive or dishonest. The leakers of this information were not out to correct a lie, they were out to smear a man and an administration. The DOJ had the information about Flynn and took it to the President. That’s the process and before it had a chance to play out someone decided to give classified information to the media as you said, violating serious laws. We admitted openly to the world we tap the call of foreign ambassadors! You don;t think that is going to have significant consequences to our intelligence gathering in the future? And we compromised our intelligence gathering to correct a lie Mike Flynn told about speaking to the Russian ambassador?
Flynn did not break any laws by speaking to the Russian ambassador, even if he discussed sanctions. This was about getting Flynn and the administration.
Whoever leaked the information should be prosecuted and jailed for the full 10 years. This was not whistle blowing, it was sedition. And your reaction to this incident is the result he wanted.
Have we seen actual evidence that he discussed easing sanctions? Because THAT is what he was asked if he did, and he denied it. What if he discussed sanctions but not EASING them? This whole affair is a shell game.
The beauty of WikiLeaks is they released ALL the material and withheld nothing. People could see the material and judge for themselves.
We have NO evidence of what Flynn actually said. We have a bunch of hearsay from the Deep State that was reported over and over again and reeks of political opportunism-especially given the players’ history: Yates, Brennan, and Clapper. All have been accused of either lying or playing politics.
Trump cut Flynn loose because he was a liability. But all the details of what he did are still murky. I think heads need to roll. These leaks are not whistle blowing. They’re obstructing.
One question: Considering what we know of Flynn and Donald Trump’s personality, do you honestly think that if there were any chance Flynn did nothing wrong and this was just an attempt to smear him, he would have resigned in the way he did?
I love you Glenn, but motive really does matter. To say that it doesn’t is fail. The argument you present here regarding motive makes you look a lot like dems/reps doing the round-about with each other over leaks being good or bad depending on who benefits.
Understand that they requested a FISA Court warrant, and were turned down. Then they went ahead and did it anyway. And by egregiously breaking the law, they uncovered a “breach of protocol”, which they funneled though the media to score a political victory. I may not know exactly where the line is, but that is way over it.
That Flynn lied about his conversation was immaterial. Trump wasn’t even in office yet. And some things are kept secret for a reason. The rest of the world doesn’t need to know if certain conversations even took place. So to say “the public has an absolute right to know this,” is patently false. The FBI is running a shadow government and needs to be swept clean. And Ignatius needs to rot in the can with the rest of the criminals involved in the FBI.
What matters the most is eventually this sort of thing is going to completely destroy any and all faith they had left in the ongoings of Washington. It’s no secret that this very article pretends so much all the while the hit is to attempt to attack President Trump. After all, now we find such things to be “justified”. Is that not so?
I wonder if they will still find it “justified” when the people rise up, and I do NOT mean peacefully, out of seeing how they have been so betrayed. Including against those who “justified” letting some people off the hook in the political realm while making excuses to hang others. Curious, what will article writes, politicians, and intelligence services be saying about people who have finally had enough? What names will they call them? What names will they call themselves? Who will be doing the prosecuting? Who will they blame? Who will they blame in the aftermath?
Prosecuting? No need. You can thank the moron known as Carl Levin for authoring the kidnap, torture, kill americans into the NDAA.
Traitors and criminals and the media loves them all.
1. the wallstreet thieves got the lying whore mainstream media to push WMD
2. the lying whore media was forever saying Donald was always about to lose in the campaign
3. the lying whore media boldy published the anticipated results of hellary’s electoral victory
4. Donald always said the media was wrong and was very dishonest
5. Donald won the election and proved the media wrong – way wrong.
6. Donald continues to call out the lying whore media for being dishonest
Q. Was the media dead wrong or were they just lying as usual like they did when they protected wallstreet thieves who rob America or when they backed up bush, wallstreet and the greater MIC by pushing the lie about WMD?
i say it is the lying whore media running the sabotage because they have always wanted to be the only ones tell America what the president said without allowing Americans to hear things directly from his mouth. (thank you twitter).
Hillary might well have won the election if the FBI didn’t come out a week (or two) before the election with the news they were reopening the investigation into her emails. Then a week later saying there was nothing there.
Glenn misses the most important point of the entire subject of insiders leaking private or classified information. That is intent. If the leaker’s intent is to improve security, correct an error, defend a higher principle, expose an illegal scheme or operation, stop thuggish behavior by government agents, etc. then the loss of secrecy or privacy may be justified. But in this incident, the intent is obviously the political assassination of Gen. Flynn in order to settle old grievances and to ramp up the ongoing political assassination attacks against President Trump that have been evident for more than a year. So no, this “leak” is not justified by any rational criteria.
foreign policy is a conjob, pal. The lawmakers want to tell the president and the american people what they can and cannot know, can and cannot hear, can and cannot say, and under what circumstance and in what timeframes.
it is a giant trap. period. aka conjob. happened before – 2017 years ago.
AND “INCOMPLETE INFORMATION”= A LIE
BY FLYNN MEANS HE SHOULD BE PROCECUTED FOR LYING UNDER OATH, HOW MUCH JAIL TIME IS THAT? OR IS IT JUST THE UNDERLINGS THAT GET
JAILED AND FINED AND THE UPPER ESCHELON GO FREE, MAYBE THEY SHOULD ADD TO THE LAW CONSEQUENCES OF “INCOMPLETE INFORMATION”
@plkatk so if I only INTENDED to wound him, but killed him, I should get off because my INTENT was to just wound him?? The national security laws are fixed in print, if you violate them for any reason, you pay the penalty. Your post does not make any sense in a rational world, then again I am not a snowflake or millennial and have not been schooled in the leftist propaganda since grade school.
This, I like this:
Invictus is correct, Washington is beyond draining, far beyond. But if as Duce suggests below, that this was the CIA ( which we may reasonably assume that to be true ), then the saying of Jesus Christ comes in to play “.. a house divided against itself..”
I can’t understand why anyone wants to be soooo group think. I want my group to win and be right; jesus fucking christ. Fuck this two party system; fuck it hard.
Has a soft war begun between the intel agencies then? We simply cannot trust the US gov can we.
“Fuck this two party system; fuck it hard”
+1
Where are the recordings of the person that leaked the information to the reporter. Perhaps another person with the intelligence community should leak those conversations. That would be perfectly fine because they would just be a whistleblower shining a light on a felon. This could be a vicious circle.
The new mantra of the modern fascist left:
“It was wrong, but in this case (fill in the blank) I think it’s justified.”
Morals, laws, basic tenets of decency, non-violence, anti-racism. These are paramount when applied to their political opponents. But when the fascist left is the perpetrator, it is “justified” because “I” think so.
It’s absolutely disgusting, and explains why the metaphor “drain the swamp” resonates.
You’ll get no argument from me as to the hypocrisy on the Left; humanity as a class is wired for hypocrisy. The Left, presumably my side, has been steeped in hypocrisy at least since they cried for Bush’s impeachment but subsequently slept through Obama’s follow-through and expansion of the same offenses.
However, I have no clue as to what in particular your comment is supposed to be addressing. Greenwald’s position isn’t that the leaking of Flynn’s phone call was “wrong but justified.” His position is that the leak is *illegal* but justified.
Your conflation of legality with righteousness does speak to a certain authoritarian mentality. Or it might just be that you were so eager to direct a charge of hypocrisy at Greenwald that you missed the entire point of the article: that being that Greenwald is *consistent* in his position on leaking and whistleblowing, and he considers them justified no matter what political party they work against.
So it’s the opposite of what you wrote in your comment.
So, let’s get this straight. Leaking e-mail from the DNC and Hillary campaign is an outrage and therefore justifies breaking the law and destroying someone’s career and compromising the executive branch of the government. I do believe that this kind of thinking would qualify for treatment as a domestic enemy of the state and should be treated accordingly.
Of course Trump does not want transparency or accountability in his administration of his officials. He is a manically insecure and gifted flimflam artist to the gullible and ignorant. He has hung his entire career on his celebrity, and only his celebrity. After all, he has the business acumen of a ripe mango, the looks of a moldy mango, and the charm of a mango after it’s been eaten, shit out and left in a dumpster for several months.
Once again, excellent article Mr. Greenwald. By now if we Americans have not lost all faith in our government, then we ourselves are truly numb and blind. Time for reporting on new economic-political systems that are humanity-environmentally based. New ideas-leaders who have courage to help us evolve in a much better direction. Washington is beyond redemption.
Ok if someone cuts me off in traffic, I cut them off and they crash into let’s say a bus of convicts. I was justified doing it, no charges should be brought against me, bc I did drive away justified bc noone cares about convicts or bad drivers. If this was Bush/Obama they would find the leak, possibly throw them in a CIA blacksite and feed them LSD until their brain was mashed potatoes. Point is a felony is a felony. It appears all the repb’s and dem’s in gov’t want to sabotage whatever they can bc they are butthurt that Clinton isn’t here to give them their extra money or kick backs or interns. Has anyone heard from Anthony Weiner lately, no, I bet he is getting dosed with LSD right now at a CIA blacksite for messing it up for everyone else.
It looks to me like the White House is wired and that the nation’s law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, are treating administration officials as if they were ISIS jihadis. It’s an outrage, and what’s even more outrageous is that ostensible “liberals” are cheering the political police…
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/02/14/a-win-for-the-deep-state/
…And so it is left to the unlikeliest people, such as Rep. Devin Nunes (R-California), who chairs the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, to lead the pushback:
“I expect for the FBI to tell me what is going on, and they better have a good answer. The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded.”
He added: “Where are all the privacy groups screaming now?”
Where, indeed.
Eli Lake, a journalist I rarely agree with, put it well:
“Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.”
If this keeps up, that’s just where we’re headed.
Since when does law enforcement reveal the content of intercepts to the media? These are some of the most jealously guarded secrets held by intelligence officials, and yet now they’re being spread far and wide in the interests of a Deep State clique that has a political agenda of its own.
By sacrificing Flynn on the altar of political expediency, and caving in to our out-of-control spooks, Donald Trump has just answered the question posed above with a resounding yes.
What he’ll discover, however, is that this kind of expediency is bound to backfire. His enemies, instead of being appeased, will be emboldened. As Lake writes:
“In the end, it was Trump’s decision to cut Flynn loose. In doing this he caved in to his political and bureaucratic opposition. Nunes told me Monday night that this will not end well. ‘First it’s Flynn, next it will be Kellyanne Conway, then it will be Steve Bannon, then it will be Reince Priebus,’ he said. Put another way, Flynn is only the appetizer. Trump is the entree.”
This isn’t about Mike Flynn. It isn’t even about Trump. It’s about the future of our republic. Will we allow rogue national security officials to run rampant and utilize police state methods to advance their policy goals? If the answer is yes, then we’re doomed.
The president said Wednesday that malicious leakers inside the NSA and FBI were responsible for a tempest that led to Gen. Mike Flynn’s dismissal
‘The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by “intelligence” like candy,’ he tweeted
Trump claims the New York Times and Washington Post are getting material ‘illegally given’ to them
In a jab at his predecessor, Trump wrote: ‘Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4227238/Trump-says-NSA-FBI-illegally-leaking.html
“The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded.”
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! God that’s funny. Cue Steller Wind. Cue Prism. Cue Bluffdale. Cue Patriot 702. Cue USFreedumb Act. etc etc… Idiocy on parade.
” Will we allow rogue national security officials to run rampant and utilize police state methods to advance their policy goals?”
Oh gawd, stop…stop…yer killin me. Flynn WAS the quintessential senior national security official..
I need an aspirin.
sheezus…even the scriptwriters for House of Cards couldn’t make this shit up. At least I don’t have to wait a week for the next episode. *claps* “Alexis.. order me fresh popcorn drone delivered every half hour.. pizza at 6, and a bottle of Sominex”
note to self…for the time being…postpone getting a life.
All of the leakers are guilty of treason and should be executed for their crimes.
The democrats trying to destroy Trump think they have a live one. They have tried everything in the book, and some things not in the book yet, to bring him down but it didn’t work. So now they are going after people around him. Essentially what they are saying is that Russia caused Hillary to lose and Trump helped them. They are trying to cover up the fact that Russia did not force Hillary to set up a private email server to hide her illegal actions, force her to get caught in numerous lies, force her not to accomplish anything, and force her to be an overall bad candidate. The Russians did not commit any voter fraud.
“They have tried everything in the book, and some things not in the book yet, to bring him down but it didn’t work”
*facepalm* dude, give the dynamic trio Spicer,Miller&Conway two more weeks and Pres. Queeq will do it himself from sheer coast to coast gut splitting laughter. #rollingballs now.
You are oversimplifying the broader social context. The parties are at war and are both scummy hypocritical criminal organizations. But everyone is watching this unfold, everyone all over the world. There will probably never be solid evidence that Russia had a major influence on our election. Trump has instantly become the most hated American on planet earth . The question here is over secret statecraft by team Trump with an avowed enemy of both parties.. What else have they done? Shit loads. Our best hope as a nation lies in a major new coalition of reformers who unite around some core principals. These scandals are all good in that respect and few have been as politically neutral and willing to challenge both parties as Greenwald, Kline, Fang, Scahill etc.
Bingo. Spot on. She should be sitting in an orange suit in jail, and her NSC gone. Instead, she is laughing at the problems Trump is having with an out of control Democrat Party showing their true colors. But perhaps Karma is not done with her…yet.
Russia didn’t even force Bill Clinton to go to Moscow to take $500,000 while his wife was Sec’y of State. Or maybe they did?
Trump has to become a no nonsense president when it comes to the law. When he backtracked about investigating and prosecuting Hillary, it came across as a weakness, because she violated the law and it is just business to have her prosecuted. There is a legal mindset that makes such a statement sound weak. I was not surprised that attorneys pointed out that the decision to prosecute Hillary or appoint a special prosecutor was up to the DOJ and not to Trump.
Similarly, the flawed investigation of Hillary by the FBI will rout out the roaches who are supporting the anti-Trump group. From information, it seems Andrew McCabe is still holding the position he did, when he was in charge of her investigation while his wife got donor funds from a Clinton source for a run for office.
Why did Trump keep Comey who was leading the FBI when the facade of an investigation of Hillary was conducted and as Rudy Guilani pointed out was clearly nonsense. If Trump thought Comey was going to solve his Hillary dilemma,, then it probably came back to bite him.
Trump’s emotional issue with friendships with Hillary etc. has to be trumped with an understanding of the law where emotions have no place. The liberals are wickedly sharp and you have to be smart legal wise to hit them – just business smart doesn’t cut it.
Horsesh*t!!! They surreptitiously wiretapped an incoming NSA, without any knowledge or probable cause. They were prospecting, which almost undoubtedly means that they were/are illegally wiretapping other officials. Flynn did nothing illegal, but he did commit a “breach of protocol”? So now we justify HIGHLY illegal wiretaps to root out breaches of protocol?
It is bad enough trying to claim that the ends justify the means. But when the end is nothing more than a political victory against an administration chosen through democratic election, the means are unjustifiable. What will you say if/when the new administration uses this as precedent to justify their own covert action against political enemies?
This is the perfect example of how breaking the law is the only way to save it. I hope this continues until Trump and especially Bannon and Miller are out of the White House, charged with treason, tried, and jailed on a US Navy brig.
So conducting unwarranted, illegal wiretaps with no probable cause is the way to save the law? Remember… you set the precedent. When they start using the same techniques against Democrats, or private citizens… you set the precedent. Your last sentence is ample evidence that the ONLY reason this happened is to try and overthrow a democratic election.
yer dreamin’
but keep dreamin’ because your when you wake up, your nightmare might shock you back into a coma.
Well, that’s not going to happen. What might happen though is that the leakers are uncovered and prosecuted on clear felony charges. What they leaked was not meant to disclose some terrible wrong that the government had done that the people needed to know (such as a classic whistleblower) but rather was an act of political assassination simply meant to disrupt the administration.
It is quite clear that the lying pimped out whores of the Intel Community who sold America on WMD for fun and profit are once again looking to sabotage America because we have a President who won’t dance for them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4225488/Is-conspiracy-destroy-Trump-s-inner-circle.html
The Dumb&Dumbers of the SO-CALLED INTEL COMMUNITY have betrayed the people of America. These betrayers are hell bent to have the US go to war against russia because they are certifiably insane.
ps..
the pimped out whore Democrats for wallstreet thieves want a war with Russia. They figure they need to stage a false flag operation to accomplish this so they can print currency to get into circulation because consumer credit is stalled, thus price hikes are stalled, thus their profits are stalled, thus they cannot sell their fraudulently priced stocks and bonds.
what a con job.
Let’s stop pretending that the leakers give a damn about truth or the citizens they allegedly serve. This information was leaked for 2 reasons: to harm the incoming administration, and to prevent any detente with the Russians. So stop contributing some type of nobility to these leakers, it’s pure sabotage and it’s leading us to war with the Russians. So go on, keep doing what you’re doing. We’ll know who to blame when the war begins.
So, Flynn’s call was INTERCEPTED under Obama’s regime –
and was released to the WaPo under Obama’s regime…
Did Obama know?
The record of new leaks to the Intercept is dismal compared to that of WikiLeaks which has received a number of smarmy and condescending remarks in this publication.
The establishment outlet Intercept seems to want to fix the established order and protect its status and the income of its owners rather than recognize that the establishment it wants to fix has slaughtered maybe 10 million people over the past 70 years and created chaos and poverty across continents and countries keeping or driving over a billion people in destitution and poverty across the world for the persecute of its ultimate goal of “Global full spectrum domination.” which it peruses with the justification of divine right.
The old right/left spectrum of politics is destroyed today there is an insurgency against the establishment order – the Intercept has chosen the establishment over trying to influence the insurgency. The reasons are obvious, the income and status of the already rich white men supported by a tax cheating ruthless oligarch seriously undermine its protestations of presenting “the truth” and/or sanctimonious views on right and wrong.
LawFare gets a shot out to Glenn for his nonpartisan consistency and…
https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-flynn-may-want-call-aclu
Whether we approve of the motive or not, it is an abuse of surveillance for national security officials to leverage legitimate foreign intelligence collection to reveal public information in order to damage individuals they do not believe should serve. In fact, these kind of abuses (among others) led to the passage of FISA in the first place. Richard Nixon’s National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger, requested wiretaps on White House staff to uncover news leaks involving classified information. The “White House wiretaps,” as they were known, were reviewed by Senator Frank Church’s investigative committee. There have long been suspicions that Kissinger, who received the FBI transcripts, requested the wiretaps not for security purposes—which were not his purview—but instead to keep tabs rivals and to gain an advantage in policy disputes.
That is not to suggest this monitoring is akin to what occurred under Nixon—it seems relatively apparent Flynn was not actually the target at all. Still, it is important to note the history of abuses that led FISA to set strict legal standards not only for how electronic surveillance is collected, but also for how it is used. There is simply no way to justify the leaks to the press as within the allowable purposes of the Act.
On the one hand, if you believe in freedom of information, then any newsworthy leaks are good. On the other hand, it’s easy to see how the NSA, with its vast surveillance powers, could become (has become?) a political actor (domestically and internationally): selectively leaking damaging material in order to favor one political faction over another. That’s incredibly dangerous.
No. No, no, no. “Newsworthy” is not the standard. The fact is, Flynn committed a “breach of protocol”. If we have really reached a point where people are willing to allow illegal wiretaps to prospect for breaches of protocol, then we truly have lost contact with freedom and justice.
Frank Church died without learning that his private communications were continually under NSA surveillance. The unfortunate reality is that it is naive, at this point, to believe that the NSA/FBI are not intercepting everyone and anyone’s communications that they take an interest in. I agree with Greenwald’s judgment that helping the public to understand this and the nature of selective leaking and selective criminalization of leaking is important. It goes on all the time, both ways, for political and not for national security reasons. In other words there at least 4 different regimes for judging the legitimacy of a leak of classified info – a) it is technically illegal?, b) does it hurt national security vs. is it in the public interest?, and c) does it fit with MY politics, and d) does it fit with the politics of the current Deep State elite? Greenwald and the Intercept stand for system b). We should too. Wash DC stands for d). We should oppose that. Once and a while – like here – b) and d) line up on the same side. Okay, we still stick with b).
This piece reads like a treatise on the goodness of leakers. News flash for the Left: if anyone could leak anything they wanted, based on thier observation of right/wrong, we long ago would have ceased to exist.
Peace, love and no underwear works for snowflakes on college campi, not in the real world. See the disaster that was the Obama Administration. Heads will roll.
Mr Greenwald, Michael Flynn was NOT a “high-ranking government official” on Dec 29th. He was a private citizen, and the Obama administration officials committed felonies by tapping Flynn, and releasing the information.
Flynn was arrogant and tone-deaf, the same reasons he was fired from his previous intel job. Didn’t play well with others. Not to mention his fascination with fact-free conspiracy theories or promoting his nutty son, which should have been immediate disqualifiers for his new job.
He dazzled the inexperienced candidate Trump with his swagger and tales of bad stuff by Democrats and foreigners. Now, as POTUS, Trump finally had to decide if actually accomplishing something was more important than the noisy, confrontational permanent campaign mode of Flynn et al. And he decided.
But the house cleaning list is way longer than Flynn.
First steps are always the hardest, and hope springs eternal, but I don’t hold my breath…
What do you wanna bet the transcripts of the conversation don’t contain anything inappropriate? If they did, they would’ve been leaked already.
The whole thing is being blown out of proportion in order to undermine Trump. There are legitimate ways to undermine Trump. Conspiracy theories peddled by the Deep State are not it.
I agree, but what do they have on him? What did they offer him? This can’t be the whole story.
There are legitimate ways to undermine Trump.
Yes, but what’s he done that the Ds aren’t just as guilty of themselves?
Hi Republicans and those right of them, I am an independent and I see 2 issues, one of course is the lie, there is a reason someone lies, and he should resign even if he broke no laws. We need to hold our countries political personal to HIGH STANDARDS. The second is the leak, was it the kind to let people know we have a liar as a person who represents our country or was it politically motivated. One is acceptable the other can harm our country.
We as a country, we cannot tolerate this and you as a party should not accept it. BUT any one person or group or media, that did not call for the same kind of justice and overlooked these transgressions within your own party, SHOULD JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH AND OPINIONS TO YOURSELF!!! Otherwise it has no weight and you are being a hypocrite!!
We want the leaker(s) found and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That info should have been taken to the chain of command, not the public. Hanging or firing squad for the leaker(s) wouldn’t be overkill.
So this guy’s job-to-be was to talk to foreign leaders and then advise the soon-to-be president; but because he talked to a foreign leader this was somehow wrong and had to be leaked to the press?
But it is ok for leakers (who should be loyal to the U.S.) to expose the content of his communications?
The leakers should be hung by the neck until dead and yes, Flynn had to go for not giving this boss/bosses the full story the first time.
If you take a man’s money, then ride for the brand!
Not too sure that two wrongs make a right. My problem is that unless the reporter sees an actual transcript, they are accepting the leaker’s spin of context and content. The White House says nothing illegal was discussed, the leaker and reporter are saying that this is wrong, it was illegal. If it wasn’t illegal then the reporter is acting as a political hack. This is like a jury believing a prosecutor and judge who tells them the defendant did something wrong with no evidence. I am an avowed sceptic when it comes to Washington politics, LETS SEE THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Ho Ho Ho! If this is the new standard for leaking SIGINT I’ll bet there are some right minded republicans that are now getting ready to go to sympathetic “journalists” with a trove of treasures ie. details of Obama’s ransom to the Iranians, or maybe to dispute Hillary and Susan RIce’s version of the Bengazi affair. Careful what you wish for MJ!
National Intelligence Director, Gen. Flynn: “Who’s in charge around here soldier?”
Soldier: “I am”
I love how the Left puts so much stock in leaks but for years the leaks came out about the obama administration, and yet no one in the DoJ did a thing and the News Media labeled it as partisan politics. Gee how the times have changed. You gave Holder, and Clinton passes for illegal behavior and yet you come down like rabid dogs on someone who held a DISCUSSION with a person from another country. But Clinton is raking in millions in illegal speaking fees as a sitting Sec of State. The hypocrisy is so strong a cesspool dip couldn’t get it off.
Bill Binney. Clinton, Bush and Obama. No pass for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owk7vEEOvs
A 36-year veteran of America’s Intelligence Community, William Binney resigned from his position as Director for Global Communications Intelligence (COMINT) at the National Security Agency (NSA) and blew the whistle, after discovering that his efforts to protect the privacy and security of Americans were being undermined by those above him in the chain of command.
The NSA data-monitoring program which Binney and his team had developed — codenamed ThinThread — was being aimed not at foreign targets as intended, but at Americans (codenamed as Stellar Wind); destroying privacy here and around the world. Binney voices his call to action for the billions of individuals whose rights are currently being violated.
William Binney speaks out in this feature-length interview with Tragedy and Hope’s Richard Grove, focused on the topic of the ever-growing Surveillance State in America.
On January 22, 2015: (Berlin, Germany) – The Government Accountability Project (GAP) is proud to announce that retired NSA Technical Director and GAP client, William “Bill” Binney, will accept the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence Award today in Berlin, Germany. The award is presented annually by the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence (SAAII) to a professional who has taken a strong stand for ethics and integrity. http://whistleblower.org/press/nsa-wh…
Would You Like to Know More?
The swamp is draining right now as we speak.
Greenwald’s claim is truly bizarre. He says it does not matter that the leaker’s motive was purely political, to bring down a member of the Administration whose politics the leaker disagrees with. Greenwald claims that committing felonies, even of the worst kind and damaging to the integrity of the government, is fully justified if it exposes a statement that is a lie.
In other words, Flynn’s alleged lie is so much more damaging to the nation than any leak of confidential intelligence that we can disregard the felony.
Who is Greenwald to pass such a judgement? Who is anyone in a position to do that? The reality of Greenwald’s conception is that anyone in government can justify any felony to bring down any government official with the claim that they told a lie. Since no such leaks brought down any Obama official, I guess it follows that none of them ever told a lie.
Greenwald makes no distinction regarding the magnitude of the lie, the harm done, if any, by the lie, the magnitude of the felony, or the collateral damage done by the felony. The only thing that I can see that matters to him is that the target be a Republican.
1). Big deal. Flynn told the Russian Ambassador that the ridiculous Obama child like sanctions and scapegoating them for their horrific candidate will be reversed once Trump takes over. Wars have been fought over less than Obama and Hillary”s little Russian excuse and blaming. imho, it was unnecessarily hazardous.
2). the leakers compromised future intel gathering. They need to be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law. Their petty pride and hurt feelings have cost our nation immeasurable damage. Flynn’s non actionable interaction with a Russian ambassador was harmless. Grow up lefties.
The senior intelligence officials who leaked this information to the press, and by association to the public, were not justified. Their acts were criminal, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The appropriate action would have been to report Gen. Flynn’s actions to the proper authorities within the FBI for investigation and potential prosecution. Leaking such information to the press in an anonymous fashion is both cowardly and illegal, and undermines the democracy that the leakers are sworn to protect.
This is a slow motion coup against a duly elected President. Of course those committing the coup justify themselves. Recall the axiom about the truly corrupt: To do a great evil one must convince themselves first they are doing a great good.
Yeah, cigarettes don’t cause cancer, climate change is a hoax, the ice is getting thicker, Gulf Of Tonkin was real. The leakers are my heroes.
Wasn’t there a third solution the leaker had? Notify the target’s superior, not the public. Of if you don’t (and you don’t if you’re this leaker) why not the superior’s enemies in Congress, McCain, Graham, or number of democrats.
Finally ask yourself (you Glenn) if the target was Susan Rice and not Gen Flynn, would you still applaud the ‘nuclear option’ that this leaker used?
Out of The Shadows: NSA whistleblower Russ Tice: Snowden Revelations tip of the Iceberg: NSA Wiretaps Journalists Congressman State Legislators Supreme Court Judges Magistrate Judges and so on…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr3xwOnietA
Published on Mar 26, 2014: Interview
In this bombshell episode of the Boiling Frogs Post Podcast Show NSA whistleblower Russ Tice goes on record for the first time with new revelations and the names of official culprits involved in the NSA’s illegal practices. Mr. Tice explains in detail how the National Security Agency targets, sucks-in, stores and analyzes illegally obtained content from the masses in the United States. He contradicts officials and the mainstream media on the status of the NSA’s Utah facility, which is already operating and “On-Line.” He reveals the NSA as a Deep State that targets and wiretaps US political candidates for its own purposes. We discuss the latest controversies involving the NSA, PRISM, Edward Snowden, and the spins and lies that are being floated by the US mainstream and pseudo-alternative media.
Got to love it deep state hates president “water sports.” Will leak on him in a flash. Yes we need an investigation into the executives actions and motives and into those of the elite serving deep state. Bush, Obama and Hillary were all water proof in their sedition. Trump attacking or victimizing as you will can lay the system “bear,” double meaning, towards demonstrating the degree of corruption of power. The same people who used it and committed sedition on their watch will punch hardest. Trump must either “play ball” or go transparent and strike first or he is toast. Yes, President Trump there are a lot of killers in America, some have their sights dead set on your Presidency. Glen what you missed is these leaks are not from men of conscience but representatives of the deep state. They will not be punished or even much hunted “the bearers has done what they have done for the good of the State.”
DEEP STATE LEAK CAMPAIGN BRINGS DOWN NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR MICHAEL FLYNN
https://shadowproof.com/2017/02/14/deep-state-leak-campaign-brings-down-nsa-flynn/
After one of the most blatant leak campaigns by national security officials in recent memory, former General Michael Flynn resigned from office as national security advisor Monday evening.
According to The New York Times, the White House reviewed a transcript of the call—retained from a longstanding wire tape of Kislyak—and found it to be “ambiguous enough that Mr. Trump could have justified either firing or retaining Mr. Flynn.”
So what led President Trump to go with firing? Probably the torrent of stories smashing down on the White House that were part of a clearly coordinated campaign that reached crescendo on Sunday when stories from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and Politico hit within a 30-minute period.
The deep state is an informal conspiracy were money and power are allotted to the chosen few at the expense of the many. It includes academia, government and business interests. The deep state grabs greater profits from more war/conflict and by exploiting fear and problems not trying to solve them. They are takers not makers, unless you consider making a mess of the planet and peoples making. This is why all our wars literal and figurative crime, terror, drugs, cancer are going so poorly. If we have an investigation it should include both the executive and who sourced and why the leaks. All motives and action should be top to bottom laid bear. If Trump is removed then a deep state player will take his place. WE all should pray for President Trump even if you hate him personally. The Alternative is much worse a Paul Ryan/Ayn Rand policy.
Oh sure, felonies are “justified”. The left always plays by one rule: “by any means necessary.” No amount of damage is ever enough, as long as they get what they want. That’s the kind of America they want you to live in.
While I totally agree with the principle of whistleblowing, all Flynn talked about, according to the leaked transcript, is the POSSIBILTY of Trump being open to lightening sanctions on Russia. Given that that is not a crime for a senior member of Nat Sec Council to do, talk to foreign ambassadors about broad future folicy positions, the lie seems way more mundane and unnecessary. This in stark contrast to other whistleblowers like Snowden and Manning, or revealed heinous crimes of a grand scale. This leak did nothing to shake peoples faith in the Trump admin if they voted for him, and it was mostly hostile “journalists” who thought this was somehow a victory for integrity in gov and journalism. All that happened was a guy got fired. Trumps concern about leaks is justified because EVERYTHING is getting leaked, the good and the bad. There are numerous sources (clearly) in the WH who are not trying to whistleblow, but sabotage Trump.
the reason why the leak is more egregious than what was leaked is b/c WHAT was leaked did not violate the law. period. the leakers on the other hand committed serious, damn near treasonous, offenses. they revealed classified methodology and information and MORE heinous was they leaked information on a US citizen when they have a legal obligation and duty to take steps to minimize the collection/recording of the US citizen and then a legal obligation and duty to keep that citizen’s identity secret. this is light years worse than what Flynn did. In fact, if what Flynn did violated the Logan Act then every journalist who’s ever interviewed a foreign leader or diplomat and discussed foreign policy has violated it. of course that is ridiculous, much like the claims that flynn violated an unconstitutional law in the first place.
Gen. Flynn, blatantly lied to the public about a material matter — his conversations with Russian diplomats — and the public has the absolute right to know this.
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Why because you say so, or because the felony code cites this? I didn’t see that part written in the criminal statute.
Now – the DOJ better start serving arrest warrants, and they can start at the journalist level and work up.
Depends on what the information is and whether or not it affects national security. This and other times the information was beneficial but the fact that there are intelligence agencies that are leaking sensitive information to the left-wing media is undermining the president for their own nefarious agenda is reason to drain the alphabet soup of intelligence agencies.
Obama is so yesterday. We are dealing with today’s problems.
“That’s because the leaks revealed that a high government official, Gen. Flynn, blatantly lied to the public about a material matter — his conversations with Russian diplomats — and the public has the absolute right to know this.” Hum, too bad this logic was around during fast and furious, Bengahzi, Clintion emails, etc.
Since you are encouraging and supportive of those who leak classified information, can you get someone from the former administration to leak the classified details of our agreements with Iran. I believe I speak for the majority of the nation when I say that we really want to know what they contain. If they are as good a deal as the last president claims, there’s no reason to keep them secret. If not, then we definitely need to know what was given away/conceded/allowed by the agreement.
The moral highhandedness of “Glenn Greenwald” is breathtaking for its chutzpah — built, as it is, on the strawman assumption that it is “okay” for politicians to lie (in fact, he admits it is an “accepted” part of the DC culture) and that it is “okay” for officials in the intelligence services to commit major felonies when there is “wrongdoing” but without ever questioning whether a member of the incoming president is “wrong” to discuss sanctions with the Russians in the first place. NO ONE has ever been convicted under the Logan Act, and Flynn could have made the corable argument that he was “with authority of the United States” in doing so as part of Trump’s incoming administration. Conclusion: Greenwald is another moonbat liberal with an axz to grind simply because he doesn’t “like” Trump. Where was Greenwald’s fury when Obama was telling the Russian president on open mike to “wait until after the election” (which in 2007 was far from assured — or so the “little people” thought) and to “give him flexibility” until then over dealing with NATO’s missile defense system, an OBVIOUS quid-pro-quo implication that directly undercut stated US policy at the time?
Your cheering on people committing felonies and treason is sickening. And evil party you represent, win at any cost and clearly the law means nothing to you. You Glenn Greenwald are nothing but part of the problem, a real POS.
whoever is the mole in the gov or moles are going to be very sorry !!! and guess what senators are prob behind it !! Mcain and graham !!
I despise McPain and Gramnesty
Your cheering on the leakers of the Hillary debacles was deafening. How about leaks by Snowden and others to Wikileaks? You want to praise them now?
Podesta was hacked by someone, we dont’ know who. He was an idiot and got phished and his password was not strong. Same with the DNC. Those were outside entities.
These leaks are, ADMITITTEDLY, by our own people and are illegal and being done for political purposes.
The fake news media are so intent on going after Trump they are ignoring criminal espionage going by our own people, abusing their power to attack a sitting president. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. The leak was a criminal offense, regardless of the motivation. And to the best of my knowledge, lying to your boss isn’t.
Behind the Flynn resignation and Trump crisis: A bitter conflict over imperialist policy
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/02/15/pers-f15.html
I pray the reason we have not heard from the AG is that he is too busy constructing arrest warrants.
Amen.
J. Beauregard Sessions?
More likely he’s preparing an arrest warrant for Obama.
And Clinton.
I think the charges might be “First Degree Uppitiness.”
Oh, I’m sure. Sessions is manufacturing warrants alright. For BlackLivesMatter protesters.
It’s a Fill-In-The-Blanks sort of warrant.
The real story here — the one we should be talking about front and center stage — is WHY Flynn was removed. Forget for a moment that we’re supposed to reject everything-Trump, and consider the fact that (unlike the rest of Washington, which is is daily and in an official capacity seeding paranoid McCarthyesque rhetoric about Russia, still hurling totally unfounded accusations about Russia hacking the election, and is engaged in ongoing efforts to foment war with Russia, to the extent that the US staged a coup in Ukraine, then used both the Crimean referendum and Russia’s aid to the slaughtered as pretexts for war, and that the US has now sent thousands of troops and tanks to Russia’s border), that Flynn believed that the US and Russia have shared interests, and rightfully believed that Russia does not pose a threat to the US.
Is Flynn’s “crime” in his conversations with the ambassador (what exactly was said, and why haven’t we been told?) so different from Clapper’s recent lies before Congress, and from Cheney’s business deals in Iran and Libya while sanctions were active? Clapper’s and Cheney’s crimes were glossed over without repercussion.
The difference is that Flynn’s interests in Russia ran contrary to the pretexts for war that the CIA and the DC gang have so painstakingly built. Flynn was enough of a risk to the status quo that he had to go. That is the story. Is there anyone left who might threaten the US campaign to wage war on Russia? If so, he or she will have to go, too. That is the story. The doomsday clock is ticking. Please, put your energies into stopping the upcoming war with Russia (and Iran and China, and the upcoming coup in Venezuela) We can celebrate today’s faux victory for whistleblowers later
By the way, in case you haven’t heard, Putin invaded Korea: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EmpgoRqhWio.
The public has been played. There is no reason for the public to need to know this information. This is the press, the democrats and a bunch of Obama hold overs trying to keep the Trump admin in the ropes. These leakers need to go to jail. So does any reporter who protects them.
In most cases I find myself agreeing with Greenwald’s main point, and so maybe here I am missing his main point, which I take to be that this was a well-justified leak in the public interest. There are two asserted pieces of information here: 1) Flynn had a conversation with the Russian Ambassador, in which the question of sanctions came up, and 2) Flynn lied about it afterwards. As for 1), if Flynn was doing this with the knowledge of the president-elect, then it sounds like Flynn was doing his job. Certainly I’d rather have him doing this than starting a war with Iran. As for 2), it would have been better if he had simply had the courage of his convictions and explained (as if it should need explaining) that it is a reasonable matter to discuss with an ambassador from a country under sanctions.
Now the question is whether every time a US government official (or soon to be official) lies, then an insider is justified in leaking true information, or whether this is only justified when the lie is about a grave matter of public interest. Since I would really like to believe in the possibility of well-functioning representative democracy, and since I think the first option (indiscriminate leaking, regardless of the public interest) would make a well-functioning government all but impossible, I have to say that leaks are only justified when the matter is of grave public interest. In my estimation, a soon-to-be government official having a reasonable conversation with the ambassador of another country is not of grave public interest.
Bingo. Talking to the ambassador as Trump’s emissary was totally routine. His original “lie” was merely a natural knee-jerk response to being confronted by an obvious underhanded and illegal leak to the original question from a reporter. Since that was the origin of the tempest in a teapot it’s interesting the whole dumb story wasn’t explained away as such at the time. My theory: Trump was having doubts about his loyal buddy Flynn at NSA (he already picked one plagiarist who dropped out and at least another (“KT” McFarland) I think is iffy. Trump immediately saw how Flynn missed the correct way to handle the little problem and figured, “Yep, this is the MO I was worried about. Let’s see where this leads.” And now he’s free of a guy he probably was skeptical about all along.
^ My sentiments, exactly.
That’s not how I read this one at all. I thought Glenn’s points were:
-leaking of information in the public interest is vital and necessary;
-people who do so should be helped and protected;
-the above points are true for leakers with malignant/vindictive motivations just as much as they are for the likes of Snowden and Manning.
What is missing from Glenn’s article is a close examination of Flynn’s conduct, a reasoned judgment of it’s seriousness, and weighing that against the harm of leaks of highly classified communications. Or, is their no downside to such leaks?
I would like to read it that way, and if only those points were being made, I’d be on board. But maybe the headline, perhaps not written by Greenwaldf, misleads me: wholly justified. I agree that leaking of information in the public interest is vital and necessary, and I am in favour of granting clemency to those who do so. But I cannot see how this is in the public interest. If Flynn had discussed some nefarious plans with the Russian Ambassador (for example, to turn the other cheek as Russia invades Korea: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EmpgoRqhWio) , then the source of the leak would have my undying support. But Flynn discussing one of the obvious things that you would discuss with Russian Ambassador does not seem of vital public interest. Suppose we were simply told that Flynn had a conversation with the Russian Ambassador and were asked to guess what it is that they talked about. My guess: improving abysmal diplomatic relations and perhaps raising sanctions under certain conditions. So the leak provides almost no information. Rather, it seems mostly a scare tactic to head off any potential detente with Russia.
It’s not really in the public interest, true. But I’d still think that if some parties are looking to score cheap points or try to sabotage someone in order to accomplish their plans, then transparency is the best way to publicly hash out whether there’s an issue or not.
It is comforting to know that the general public will be granted access to information when it serves the interests of the Deep State. I enjoy reading the Intercept, so I hope that the CIA will select them as one of its preferred leak outlets. I had feared The Intercept would be too proud to allow itself to be used as a tool of the CIA, but this article reassures me. The truth as filtered through the CIA may be a highly selective truth, but it is the only truth we are likely to get. However, let’s not pretend anyone was outraged about General Flynn’s lies; the motivation was to destroy his career.
Some people will be dissatisfied to experience reality as filtered by the CIA. However, it is much better than the virtual reality created by much of mainstream media. You take the reality you have, not the reality you’d like to have.
“You take the reality you have, not the reality you’d like to have.”
Says one from the reality of a parallel universe.
Sadly, no satire in this post, right on.
Motives do matter when considering how to frame a story based on leaks. Snowden’s motives are highly important when evaluating his disclosures, which is both why the government and his advocates were so at pains to characterize them either good or bad. Glenn and others have spent at least as much effort as publishing the contents, putting both them and the consequences in context.
The control of information is an exercise in power. It would be foolish not to consider what the leaker intends to accomplish by selectively leaking, whether or not the exercise is one of manipulation of public opinion rather than informing the public, and whether or not it is actually in service of the truth without that context.
A consequence of the full take of collect it all in regards to everyone’s communication is that such a trove about everyone’s lives makes a universal blackmail possible by Deep State actors, a kind of veto power over all lives and all politics.
I am even cautious about this particular opinion of Glenn’s, because it treads very close to his own political biases to have “gotten” Flynn whom he deeply disagreed with, leading him to err on the side of praising politicized secret intelligence state leakers who have zero interest, unlike Snowden, in public accountability.
This is why I always struggled with Manning. She dumped everything explicitly to do damage, ignoring the consequences. Snowden worked with Greenwald to do a controlled leak instead.
Will the central ignorance agency ever admit its involvement in the 9/11 massacre and that of the involvement by other politicians covering up the crime?
I doubt with Trump’s 4th grade reading and thinking skills he is up to the task of tearing the central ignorance agency apart limb by limb, account being a racist is so much an easier lifestyle.
I approve of this following Kucinich message.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/02/14/kucinich-pins-flynn-leak-on-intel-community-warns-another-cold-war.html
quote”I doubt with Trump’s 4th grade reading and thinking skills he is up to the task of tearing the central ignorance agency apart limb by limb,………”
Limb by limb?? Ha. Apparently you didn’t notice Trump appointed one of his enforcers as DCIA.
Speaking of thinking skills, I have a suggestion. When your IQ reaches 28…sell.
Your comment is ignorant, considering President Donald Trump’s schooling and experience puts Presidents Obama schooling and experience to absolute shame!!! LOL this troll comments just lets us Independents, and those who are Republicans know you are a Kool-Aid drinking Zombie.
‘That’s the same reason the rest of us should celebrate such illegal leaks’ – THANK’S Russian Hackers?
The author makes a good point that depending upon who’s in power, the focus of the outrage over leaks shifts. So true. However, Gen. Flynn lost his job over his lie. Why did James Clapper get to keep his? That’s where the double standard lies. Where was the outrage over that?
So, Glenn Greenwald loves him some big state surveillance apparatchik when it helps his political cause? Huh. Never in a million years would I have expected that.
Ah, jesus. Wake the fuck up.
I’ve got a feeling it’s the tip of the iceberg. Potus’ ties to Russia, potentially comingled with his businesses, is serious business. The Russians are an autocracy on par with Syria & Iran. They are no friends to democracy. If the trail leads directly to Potus he has no one but himself to blame for being so greedy and foolish.
It’s a good thing “feelings” aren’t evidence.
If you are not Max Kennedy, I have a suggestion for a new screen name you could comment under…
ready?
Here goes:
“NotMaxKennedy”! :) ;)
“Chelsea Manning’s a traitor!”
“Edward Snowden is a traitor!”
“If you have nothing to hide why worry about what the NSA does?”
“We need these spy networks to protect us from terrorism!”
Yep. you saw the first wave of disgusted Americans expose the criminality of your government now watch as the Bannonites retaliate against politically-motivated intelligence workers and the United States burns!!!
YOU WERE WARNED ABOUT TRADING LIBERTY FOR SECURITY BUT YOU CHOSE TO SUPPORT THE MEDIA TALKING -POINTS INSTEAD OF USING SOUND JUDGMENT.
People should NEVER have this much power over other people for ANY reason.
You’re not seriously suggesting that Hillary Clinton would have been better, are you? I mean, if you are, then that’s just laughable.
True.
Guess all leaks are equal but some leaks are more equal than others.
Don’t allow Republicans & Democrats set up a false choice situation that Trump or
National Security Police Surveillance State must go, the fact is BOTH must be removed
ASAP ! ! !
We must force Congress & the Courts to do their Jobs, whether they like it or not and
hold all members of the Government accountable for their actions & in-actions !
Remember November 7,2018 is less than 2 years away !
I wonder if you were saying the same thing when Obama was president. Did you read the article? Obama was Nixonian in his attacks on leakers. And he wouldn’t even fire James Clapper who did worse than Flynn. So, once again, the outrage seems to depend on who’s team is in power.
Preferably, Trump will demolish the Deep State in retaliation, then he can go.
What did Trump know and when did he know it? WOW, I wonder if these reporters and news agencies ask the same question of Obama regarding the attack on Benghazi and the loss of four American lives? Still today WE DON’T KNOW where Obama was or when he was informed of the attack. We don’t know who issued the stand down order to those troops of ours ready to launch and render assistance and join in the attack but were called off and told to stand down after which additional American lives were lost on the ground.
Why is this not of concern to anyone in the main stream media? Why were these questions not ask? Why was a deliberate LIE allowed to go unchecked, to the American people and the world, after the attack on Benghazi about the cause and all the circumstances about and around it? I know it’s been 6 or more years but the questions still remain and those guilty and responsible for getting Americans killed are still being able to go without answering for their actions.
There are many questions that need answering so why not start with some that are more weighty and actually have to do with American’s dying?
I guess you missed Devin Nunes’ statement that they indeed intended to probe the leakers.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/319421-chairman-house-intel-panel-wont-investigate-flynn-will-probe-leaks
Shorter GOP- Treason is fine when it’s done by one of theirs.
President Trump has won a landslide election, and he is now continuing to enjoy all the glory that is associated with the presidency. In the celebrations that yet to subside his close associates are running amok like headless chicken with little facility for thought, lots of energy for action and unhindered freedom for loquacity. This is a growing pain.
If the leaks cannot be stopped then favorable leaks must be generated in retaliation. I think President Trump is just being a nice fellow and holding back information regarding Obama, Hillary and Elijah Cummings that he should immediately release. Those fellows are hardly the pious folks that they pretend to be.
What remains to be seen is whether after his unprecedented victory Trump managed to somehow unpresident himself.
Shades of Jim Garrison. paraphrasing ….”The CIA IS the government, leaving the Congress just a debating society and the Executive …well..ask Col. Fletcher Prouty or Ed Landsdale.” Flynn was a shot across the bow of the USS Trump.
So Flynn the Russia lover is out. What most neocons do not realise is that their policy of demonising Russia over the past 15 years has only increased Putin’s popularity and power to absolute heights. The US neocons need an enemy to blame for every policy that turns out a disaster (it used to be foreign policy but now also includes lost US elections ) and if you have an enemy like Russia you do not need to come up with proof. However in Russia this is seen as a policy of disrespect by 99% of the people and guess who is the person they trust to make Russia great again…….. Trump’s policy of detente toward Russia is much more risky for Putin and the Kremlin knows that all too well.
Only a select few had access or accessed the pre-leaked info. Innocent or not, why aren’t ALL of these people let go?!?
My thoughts exactly. Don’t waste time trying to sort it out, just let all who had access to the recordings and transcripts across agencies and departments go and then enforce the revolving door policy. When another leak happens wash – rinse – repeat. Call it a reduction in the size of government or whatever. Because Flynn’s departure was ostensibly for the reason of lost trust a precedent has been set.
You know, Glenn, I am disappointed in you.
After coming off such a great analysis of the Deep State/Continuity of Government and CIA, you fail to make the connection with this new leak.
Instead, you go on a rant about how needed whistleblowing is, and that the motive doesn’t matter.
A complete miss.
Please write an article on this connection and its implications on the 2 factions fighting for power at the moment, the current state of the world order/military industrial complex of destabilizing wars and the Trump/Flynn/Mattis/Anti Globalist faction.
http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/
Trump should address the nation on television and reveal to the public that these intelligence agencies carried out the assassination of President Kennedy. Most of the public knows this already, but to be formally told of it by the president would be dramatic. Trump should then call for the destruction of these agencies.
Greenwald’s tortured logic that it is better and more honorable to leak classified, sensitive information in order to disclose that a Presidential adviser may have prematurely implied to an adversary that policy under a new administration might differ from the administration leaving power in three weeks.I am sure that the Russian ambassador had been following the Presidential race and had a pretty good idea that Trump was not Obama-like.
Mr. Greenwald also twists the scenario to one of General Flynn lying to the American people. He has no platform to talk to the American people except through the people he reports to. If he indeed lied or misspoke to Vice President Pence it could only have occurred because someone committed a felony in order to place Flynn and then Pence, in jeopardy. In other words, if the CIA and Justice Department hangers on had not been listening in or if they had the honor to not break the law then Flynn’s dalliance with policy implications would have been gone and forgotten since they were of little importance even as he dallied.
This is just a wedge created by Establishment bureaucrats and elevated to importance by Democrats and their very useful idiots, the media to continue the daily harangue that is emblematic of Trump Derangement Syndrome,
It ain’t going to work!!
“I am sure that the Russian ambassador had been following the Presidential race and had a pretty good idea that Trump was not Obama-like.”
Even more of a reason for him to have kept his mouth shut if nothing needed to be said.
Anyway, you *do* know that this is just the tip of the iceberg, right?
No, Flynn didn’t lie to the American people. He just lied to the president. I feel so much better.
Vice President. Maybe it was a snafu in the chain of command. Flynn probably thought of himself as the president’s man.
Apparently, the chain of command runs through Pence. Which I did not know. So I guess I learned something.
And so did Flynn.
Me, too. But Flynn got educated the hard way.
now what about all the Clinton lies and leaks very quick to target this honorable man but not Clinton????
Great article. I would only disagree with the premise that the motive of the leaker is very relevant to the leak. In a Snowden case it is clear that his intent was altruistic and he was all-in, that coupled with the significance of his action makes him justified. This is different, this leak reveals nothing of substance…. has no real source. The motive of the leak, is important, sabotage in and of itself cannot be celebrated, unless the sabotage fully revealed in all its detail for real evaluation of its action.
It is very possible that the Russians leaked all this. Trying to sow chaos in America.
You stated: “The officials leaking this information acted justifiably”. I’m a little fuzzy on this — where is the proof that committing a felony was justified? Where is a copy of the phone transcript to back up this claim? It seems to me that you are taking the word of felons to justify a felonious action in order to get an outcome that the felons like. It’s like a circular argument — anything can be justified with that kind of logic. Think about how broad a word “anything” is.
Poor Glenn. He loves whistleblowers but these are doing it to hit back on his beloved Russian masters. What to do? Blame everyone!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/its-over-folks-neocons-deep-state-have-neutered-trump-presidency
Less than a month ago I warned that a ‘color revolution ‘ was taking place in the USA. My first element of proof was the so-called “investigation” which the CIA, FBI, NSA and others were conducting against President Trump’s candidate to become National Security Advisor, General Flynn. Last night, the plot to get rid of Flynn has finally succeeded and General Flynn had to offer his resignation. Trump accepted it.
Now let’s immediately get one thing out of the way: Flynn was hardly a saint or a perfect wise man who would single handedly saved the world. That he was not. However, what Flynn was is the cornerstone of Trump’s national security policy. For one thing, Flynn dared the unthinkable: he dared to declare that the bloated US intelligence community had to be reformed. Flynn also tried to subordinate the CIA and the Joint Chiefs to the President via the National Security Council. Put differently, Flynn tried to wrestle the ultimate power and authority from the CIA and the Pentagon and subordinate them back to the White House. Flynn also wanted to work with Russia. Not because he was a Russia lover, the notion of a Director of the DIA as a Putin-fan is ridiculous, but Flynn was rational, he understood that Russia was no threat to the USA or to Europe and that Russia had the West had common interests. That is another absolutely unforgivable crimethink in Washington DC.
The Neocon run ‘deep state’ has now forced Flynn to resign under the idiotic pretext that he had a telephone conversation, on an open, insecure and clearly monitored, line with the Russian ambassador.
i figured that.
The IC’s just want to bombard the President EVERY DAMN DAY with security update [email protected] just to browbeat him into submission. I WOULD FIRE THEM. I would say, if you have something serious, call me. And i would give them a SERIOUS RATING SCALE on a 1 to 5,
5 being an enemy has landed on our shores
4 that they are headed to our shores
3 that they are forming to leave for our shores
2 that they have plans to invade
1 that they are planning to invade
other than that, LEAVE ME THE F ALONE.
The bastardised IC bass tards want the president to believe that they are the most important and come first above and beyond rebuilding America. In fact, these bass turds want to get paid first while America falls apart.
With friends like that, who needs enemies?
Just 25 days…
The IC enterprise (Who murdered Seth Rich?) will recommend their inside man to spy on President Trump at every turn and betray him similar to what OC does with their subcontractors.
What about Flynn publicly disagreeing with Obama’s assertion that ISIS was not a threat and his subsequent firing by Obama? Who controls the deep state now? Obama loyalists, old Clinton machine operatives, someone else?
Wow… that’s definitely the clearest explanation of this I’ve read so far, makes more sense than any news article I read (but then, there are a lot of comments below yours and I haven’t checked back at the other article).
I’ll bet that this wasn’t a White House leak at all, I’ll bet that there was a big treasure hunt at the National Security Agency. I wonder how big the prize pot was… NSA’s specialty is SIGINT, after all, and they have demonstrated capabilities in this area.
And Bingo was his Name-O…
How bout this: Stop putting faith an big daddy-mommy government, revert to local politics and get involved where you live. These people are parasites all the way through, admin to admin. The problem is us, continually looking up to them.
Contrary to what Trump says, there’s another real story here, and that is our president hiring a liar to be National Security Adviser. Of course, politicians lie. We accept that virtually all of them do, but generally feel that the lying should follow the time-honored route of the president and other elected representatives lying to the masses, not the president’s men lying to him. That really fucks things up. There’s a lot to be said for tradition…
I agree with Mr. Greenwald: Regardless of motives, we’re fortunate that someone discovered this breach of trust and let it be known. This has resulted in the dismissal of the first high level Trump insider pretty early in the game, and on an integrity issue, no less. Surprise! Imagine that for Trump’s crew, huh? It makes you wonder how many more ethically-challenged insiders our bankruptcy specialist has hired.
No need to wonder how many more cabinet members are ethically challenged, just read their biographies.
Greenwald is always on the side of the leaker, even if it is breaking the law and a felony. I don’t see what was gained here. Flynn, other than a lie, didn’t do anything criminal, and nothing was exposed in comparison to what Snowden exposed. How can we tolerate criminal activity, when all that is exposed is a minor non criminal lie. If you see what was spoken, it’s released btw, all Flynn said is … you’ll have to ask Trump about those sanctions when he is sworn in. Not exactly rocket exploding stuff.
“…other than a lie…”
Evidently, lying isn’t a big deal to you, even when the lie is coming from the National Security Adviser and is spoken to the president. Flynn lied to the president. Why should I be OK with that?
P.S. Greenwald is hardly always on the side of the leaker, especially if the leaker is irresponsible, thoughtless or malevolent in handling the material, or is out for personal gain or glory. You can find this out about Greenwald with a little bit of reading of his extensive articles on whistle blowing.
“Hiring a liar to be National Security Advisor”
That’s possibly the funniest single thing I’ve ever read on the internet. I urge you to read that comment again, then go watch Citizen 4, then read it again, then get back to us.
Hahahaha!
Puhlease!!! RJ, you are so verklempt over a Trump adviser lying within his own circle that it you actually believe that it surpasses a President lying to the American people?? Time honored?? Their is no honor in telling a hard working American that The Affordable Care Act is going to reduce his cost for insurance, when it doesn’t, that he will be able to keep his former plan, his doctor , his hospital , when that President knew that every word he uttered was false! There is nothing lower than a leader lying to the ones he is supposed to be leading.
Your obvious antipathy to Trump is…obvious. So why not just say what you want to say.
Who’s being verklempt now, Cape? (Disclaimer: I dashed off to google for the meaning of verklempt, and found you were that way, too) Actually, I couldn’t agree more. I was just having a little tongue-in-cheek fun with the time-honored lying bit.
You’re right, though, I have antipathy towards Trump. But, that’s only because he’s shown so much antipathy towards me and so many millions of others by, ironically, lying to us and spreading misinformation. You see Obama’s lies, but you can’t see Trump’s?
Oh RJ, you libitard has no idea what business is as you probably have been mooching off the government through a useless overpaid job or in academia. This corruption was through the Obama administration and you did not care at all.
Half of you guys probably have no idea what Flynn even said in that phone convo.
The only mention of sanctions came when the Russian asked Flynn about the sanctions and Flynn told him that the President would have to brief him about them.
This is so backward. Flynn didn’t lie. He’s being thrown under the bus.
The leak had to have come from the OFA wing of the Obama foundation. Barry’s building a compound two miles from the white house and I know deep inside that he’s behind this crap.
He’s got over 30,000 troops under him, a growing war chest, and almost 300 offices across the country. O’s been behind the recent riots (berkeley, etc.) and he’s been very overy concerning his intentions to fight President Trump every step of the way.
Smh.
And John McCain, that worthless RINO, calling the administration “dysfunctional” is about as laughable as it gets. McCain and Ryan should just sign up for the internship being offered by the Obama foundation. They’re Dems at heart anyway.
How about these thoughts:
1. Public officials stop lying.
2. Public officials stop breaking the law.
3. Fire any public official who gets caught lying or breaking the law.
4. Prosecute officials who use secrecy to cover up a violation of the law.
…the problem is we don’t know exactly what lying or law breaking is any more?
these policies are already in place
it’s just that they are not followed
Is there any official policy which is in place, which is more-or-less universally followed, which those at the top of the government do not break, and which actually results in punishment for those who break the policies? I’m asking that seriously — offhand, I can’t think of a single offense which somebody in government has not committed, and it never seems to bring any of them down.
You never fuck with the intelligence agencies and come out ahead. Trump is too stupid and/or stubborn to realize that. His power is nothing compared to theirs. It has only just begun.
I agree, it has only begun.. but remember when Trump said “America has also killed?” Kelly has deep ties with Russian & Arab intelligence… both of whom have deep files on our prior actions… who really created ISIS ( or ISIL, as Obama & HRC call them)… who ” Community Organized ” the Arab & Ukraine Springs ?
Kelly will not go silently into the night & the news outlet / leaker who teams up with him, will have a lot of red meat on past deeds & current sabotage against Trump.
Flynn, Flynn, Flynn… not Kelly! Sorry!
Sorry… I mean FLYNN not Kelly… Sorry.
Red meat, indeed. I was in the spook business for several years and saw on day one their awesome power. When he began his tenure by insulting them, I knew what was soon to follow. Fasten seatbelts.
in that case, i would like to see President Trump appoint himself as the head of the CIA.
great work Glen
The author makes assumptions about the illegally leaked information that suggest he has seen it which he likely hasnt. Its clear that Flynn in his various capacities has had numerous contacts around the world and being the incoming security advisor to the president was sought after by these contacts. Presuming there was a negotiation again shows the author’s innate bias.
All this pales in comparison to the Clinton foundation scandals in which Hillary got paid hundreds of millions in foreign influence money and nothing has been done yet. If I am Trump I would announce a special prosecutor to start investigating the Clintons. That would take the news cycle away from this triviality and change the attention of The Democrat Party New propagandists like ABC NBC etc in to full bore protection mode for their beloved Hillary.
Lets face it Flynn rightfully opposed the traitorous Iran Deal and Obama leftovers decided the break the law to injure him. The stench of the Obama administration will take a while to clean.
Nail on the head, Glenn. Nail on the head.
What the leakers selectively leave out of their leaks is probably just as important as what they do leak.
Bye, Bye Bureaucrats. Read how Trump defeated Obama and Clinton, “KEK: The Rise of Donald Trump” (released 2017)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZ7QSIE
So why all the liberal angst about the DNC and HRC Elaine leaks? Let it be a free for all!
To break up an illegal network of dumb&dumbers gone mad we get whistleblowers gone wild. Suddenly Snowden and Assange are mainstream players?
Didn’t Ronald Reagan do something similar to get the Iranian Hostages released at the moment of his inauguration? I think that through back channels, he threated war if they weren’t released.
“…one of the very few ways that the public has left for learning about what its government officials do is illegal leaking. … That’s the same reason the rest of us should celebrate such illegal leaks and protect those who undertake them…” Interesting argument. If you are right, then there is a much more relevant, interesting (and difficult) question to be raised: why should any information be classified? Is advantageous for the world at large to know every single thing the government knows? Why not just end altogether the classification of information?
Forgetting something mentioned for a moment in a phone call is not a lie, but it figures that a left would claim their political hack felonies are justified. And if these Democratic hacks who leaked the information really had incriminating evidence on Flynn, they would have leaked a quote for a paraphrase of what Flynn actually said to the Russians. However, all they leaked was a vague fact that the Obama sanctions were mentioned. Flynn claims that he had forgotten, and the Russians mentioned it, and all he said was they’d look into it. Yet this biased “news” site claims to know Flynn lied. What biased, lying partisan media.
Remember those who let their. * alligator mouths overload their kildee ass- only Think their winning….. People get onboard, the boat has left the dock… Just because Hillery and Obama were losers doesn’t mean YOU are…
America is moving closer to that place where an average citizen ought to feel morally justified to covertly plan to kill anyone who violates his conscience. The media will continue to undermine our government. Hollywood will continue to Hate Trump. Those who never want to see America great again will do whatever they feel is appropriate in order to destroy our future. Do the recent actions of the Left confirm my conclusions? The rationale of our internal enemies is that Trump must go. He must go because Trump is a threat to all the Leftist structure built over decades to bring us down as a nation. And it is our internal enemies who now conspire against OUR government at OUR expense. Keep score. Watch the news and make note what the actual complaints are, and who are behind the complaints. And seek to understand what it must be that our internal enemies wish to replace Trump’s ideas with. Ask penetrating questions. Stay underground and seek to stay informed, until it’s time to act effectively. Yes, what you might do, may in fact be felonious. But it WILL be entirely justified.
Trump’s administration is dangerously incompetent. The rationale of anyone with 2 brain cells is that Trump must go.
This reality-tv clown is hell bent on annihilating what is left of New Deal era laws checking corporate greed, giving Israel a blank check to continue committing atrocities upon the Palestinian people, and gutting the EPA.
If you think that serving Goldman Sachs’ agenda constitutes making America great again then you are one deluded person.
You are definitely a Trump-Bannon supporter, but I’m not sure how far to the far, ultra right you are…alt-right?…white nationalist?…skin head? Lenin survivalist?
very rightly of you to do such extreme branding.
2 flags. 1 american 1 other.
burn 1.
I think you have wrapped up the left in one nice neat tidy bundle.
No Mike, Thomas is just following the conventional thinking ascribed to by Mr. Greenwald, that it is better to commit a serious felony because you deem another person’s act so heinous,although not felonious , that you must act on it by reporting it. He is just carrying the relativistic thought into another, more violent arena
One might wonder if before the Revolution in 1775 if an American was on trial for killing a british official what a jury might say. I suspect this is why X-senator Carl Levin authored the clause in the NDAA to capture torture and-or kill any American he any of his glorified contractors pleased.
Beautifully done. Using the same moral “logic” as the writer of this idiotic piece you have clearly demonstrated that anyone using this standard can justify doing anything illegal to anyone. The author is, literally, advocating against the Rule of Law in favor of the Rule of Men. A dangerous and frightful stance that should horrify and appall all real Americans. The end does NOT justify the means. Sorry.
Ok. We have Brennan leaking that CIA assessment to NBC “for the good of the country” and now nine or ten senior intelligence figures have leaked sigint.
“The officials leaking this information acted justifiably, despite the fact that they violated the law. That’s because the leaks revealed that a high government official, Gen. Flynn, blatantly lied to the public about a material matter.”
Ok. I am glad to see everyone including these anonymous senior officials agree that when government lies to the public about a material matter it is the duty of those with the proof to leak it.
Glenn, I’ve been reading you for years –
You’re full of crap.
If any serious breach of security occurred, the proper authorities should have been notified by our governments *servants* – ie the president, chief staff, congressional committees on intelligence, prosecutors, grand jury, judges etc.
As it is, NO one in authority in government was notified, there doesn’t appear to have been a crime committed by Flynn, wiretaps were conducted without warrants, accusations were made without judges, classified information was leaked to an unknown number of parties, the president was bypassed, and our entire government was put into jeopardy
All because faceless servants wanted to bypass all chains of command on every level and branch of government so they could break many laws and character assassinate an official to stage a bureaucratic coup bypassing courts, congress, president, top officials, EVERYONE.
These people must be thrown in jail and punished harshly. Our government was endangered by the chain of command being supplanted. This must never happened again, and is a testimony to how bad the last administration has left the government in.
You apparently haven’t kept-up with the latest national news. Agencies were informed, leading to AG Sally Yates discussing the incident with Trump weeks ago, which adds extra intrigue and digs a deeper hole.
And yet this story only broke essentially days after Yates was fired.
This was retribution.
why wasn’t he told before Flynn’s selection/confirmation, this happened well before that and Flynn’s identity would have had to be released by people at the highest levels of Obama’s admin.
At this point there is no proof of the content, maybe the ‘valiant’ leakers should have had the balls to leak the actual content to someone like WikiLeaks rather than a bunch of Obama operatives.
Welcome to Obamas shadow government and a banana republic where the NSA will be used to take out political opposition.
Correction: Yates delivered a message to White House counsel, Donald McGahn.
“Acting” AG Yates was part of the scheme… on the Obama/Soro’s Shadow Gov’t.’s Internal Sabotage Crew… operating in concert with the 38,000 recruited, paid protestors, managed from 250 OFA offices (used to be campaign offices, now RICO ACT gov’t. Subterfuge offices).. and don’t forget Soro’s 28 offices nationwide, of Int’l Anarchists who’re blending with the paid protestors.
The one I can’t figure out is WHO has the power to tell all US schools, grammar thru college.. to give teachers & students time off from classes, without penalty, to attend ” Anti-Trump Protest Training & Exercises”.. launched 3 days before inaug. & continued weekly since then. Any ideas?
man, I want to read more, please post some links
Hell I confess. I have been paying my nursing students out of my own deep pockets to protest. s/
Nut-bag LanieLou: please go back to Breitbart, and fill your brain with more facts.
Every fuckin’ time, blame it on the Black Dude in the White House!! Every fuckin’ time!! Get over it, and if you don’t like Glenn and have been reading him for ‘years’, your intelligence sucks. Suck-ups like yourself continually stir this toxic soup when it’s the new (P)resident and his smarmy minions that are mucking up all things sane. The whole crew needs replacing because starting from the top down they are shrinks party made in heaven, screwier than bat shit and willing to take down this country for their own gain….just a bunch of sick fuckin’ puppies. I don’t know if they will ever get the stink out of the White House, smells like something died about three months ago.
The CIAs Mulatto Desperado got outta Dodge a few weeks back. Last seen bumming a smoke off a patron atthe Smithsonian.
Well gee gosh Lah, why don’t you tell us all what you REALLY think??
Come on, Lah. Don’t be shy now.
Are you The* Max Kennedy? Something tells me he doesn’t open comments with things like “You’re full of crap”, but I could be wrong. If I’m wrong let me know! According to Wikipedia you have written a number of books and law and stuff!
The point I took forme this read was the outrage and moral ground claimed by either party was all about partisan politics ,playing the American people as suckers.
Leaks..anonymous leaks are not revered. Whistleblowers who come forward with evidence and face the consequences are not the same as nameless, faceless spreaders of hearsay and rumors who face no consequences while destroying reputations and careers. Put your name on it stake your freedom on the veracity of your claims and your evidence or stop talking.
Bravo !
No. I don’t respect these anonymous leakers, but I do have an interest in knowing what they know.
Verifiable information is critically important. Identities are just a nice bonus.
Nothing but naked political bias could even imagine that such a flagrant violation of federal law is justified. This kind of activity is indeed the kind of “police state” tactics that could be expected under Nazis, fascists, or Communists. If this were accepted as tolerable, there would be nothing to protect ANYONE from such illegal and immoral behavior.
As of now, it appears there is nothing that can protect anyone from the globalist monsters…
I don’t think that discussing the position on sanctions of the incoming administration can hardly be compared to dragnet surveillance of the American public by its own government. If it’s legitimate for the “policemen” to use their asymmetric powers to bring down government officials whose policies they disagree with, then we have officially arrived at a police state.
Look, where was the warrant to tap Flynn’s phone, he was a private citizen at the time. Not worried about that inconvenient truth? And btw, when the Russian Ambassador asked about the sanctions, Flynn replied… You’ll have to wait till Trump is sworn in.
Flynn did nothing illegal, other than lying about what was talked about… which should get him fired. But leaking of Signet material , is a crime.
Don’t even compare this to Clapper, how you do recognize lied to Congress about a much more serious situation, warrant less spying on citizens conversations.
The Flynn calls occurred during Obama’s presidency. What did Obama know and when did he know it?
BTW, Flynn worked for Obama for years, so he can’t be that bad, right?
Oh, so it is now OK to break the law if YOU think it is OK? So you had better get the bands together and lots of confetti for out comrade Snow, because he did the same thing times thousands. He is EXTRA OK!
Let them stand trial.
The real problem is a Natuonal Security Advisor not having any idea that his telephone calls can be tapped. Such a person is definitely the most stupid person around and he has no business advising anyone regarding security. And really there was no need to inform Putin anything, he probably knew it all even before the phone call.
Ah… get up to speed, this conversation was illegally tapped while Obama was in charge, and Flynn was a private citizen.
You can’t “routinely monitor” an American citizen’s phone call without a warrant.
It’s a felony, Flynn was a private citizen.. not to mention leaking Signet material is a serious crime. This happened in Dec. , while Flynn was not working as a National Security advisor.
Patriot Act and FISA have that all covered.
Exactly… Like it or not, Flynn was trying to smooth feathers roughed up by Obama lies & penalties about who leaked the DNC / HRC info.
What you say is right, but that is not the problem. This type of felony routinely occurs and has very little consequences.
The problem is for our country to have an NSA who doesn’t know what mischief his own people are capable of. Such a thing can be gravely consequential.
The lie is a trust issue, but Flynn broke no laws, or even rules, and if it was not outed by the crime, even the lie (if he he lied) wouldn’t have been an issue, because nobody would have known.
Whereas the multiple serious felonies committed against an American citizen for political purposes, and simultaneously exposing that capacity to adversaries who may not have known they were being recorded need to be tried immediately.
Yes, exactly. The ‘Logan Act’ has never been enforced in its 215+ year history, with a single indictment back in 1803. The ‘Act’ is likely unconstitutional.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act#Constitutionality
Since The Intercept refuses to evaluate the motives of the intelligence community that leaked to Wash Post, it is unqualified to pass judgment. While it exposes the hypocracy of Obama Admin officials and its apologists for lying to the public and or prosecuting leakers, it is blind to the effects of the drive against the Trump Administration by the Putin hating , insane, pro regime change, Anglophile, wall street allied, “intelligence’,”security”, “law enforcement” establishment. They are supporting an anti-constitutional overthrow of an elected president by enemies of our country. You are aiding a “regime change” in the United States, by the same forces that have unleased mass murder,mass destruction, carnage, ruin, refugee crises throughout the world.
So suddenly, lying to Congress and the public is an issue.
It wasn’t when Obama sent Rice out (after Hillary refused the task) to all five — count’em, FIVE — Sunday talk shows, to spin some tale about a video (known to no one!) supposedly having provoked the disaster in Benghazi. Nor when, at the subsequent hearing on Capitol Hill, the deeply complicit Secretary lied through her teeth and infamously snapped “What difference does it make?”
So the melodrama reported above notwithstanding, this matter with Flynn was a non-issue; the alleged crime, trivial. The Logan Act? Never even been *prosecuted*, in over two centuries. Even as more recently, Democrats violated it *routinely*, and openly, to undermine the Republican administrations they hated. For example:
Targeting President Reagan, Ted Kennedy sought collaboration with the Soviet Union! (See Paul Kengor, et. al.). Discovered a quarter century ago, this gross subterfuge had absolutely zero effect on the Senator’s career.
In contrast, the only thing here was the incoming national security adviser’s alleged failure to inform Pence about some details of his conversation. Indeed, if Flynn was discussing the sanctions and diplomatic expulsions with Russia, to what end, when that part of the discussion went unreported to his bosses?
Face it: the professional left are out for scalps; and they are energized and funded like absolutely never before. In Flynn, they took out a lifelong, registered Democrat who served the previous administration well. An honorable man, with a long, distinguished career, who has known only service to his nation.
And really, what have they accomplished? From their perspective, his replacement is likely to be worse. Flynn counseled Trump back to the outdated One China policy! And didn’t the left warn us about allowing Trump’s finger on “the button”? Now Putin is supposedly worried about a geopolitically untethered Trump, forced politically toward animus with Russia! What a tangled web has been weaved.
But for a moment, put aside this truly **laughable** spectacle of the Democrats — a party which has historically sympathized with (and even aided) communists and the USSR — accusing a Republican president of being too close to the Russians. No one and I mean **no one** is discussing the fallout on our intelligence gathering from this leak:
Confirmation that we are still successfully monitoring the Russians’ electronic communications — even years after Snowden tipped them off.
That said, we now know the deep state wanted Flynn out because he was about to dissect, disclose, and dismantle Ben Rhodes’ masterpiece of duplicity — the infamous Iran deal. Well, I hope Flynn’s replacement makes those mullahs quake in their sandals — and our left, with them.
Govt vs. govt makes me kind of happy. But these guys have some big, big guns and they can, and are, aimed at the people. This govt needs to be chopped down to size. How about it Intercept, want to advocate for a smaller, more respectful, more lawful, less intrusive federal govt? Or just complain as it gets worse.
The Intercept? Glenn Greenwald? Promote libertarianism?
Fat chance.
lol so dumb.
The Intercept? Glenn Greenwald? Promote libertarianism?
Fat chance.
This was a leak of information, classified information to be sure, for purely partisan gain. That removes any claim to the moral high ground, which means nothing in this case anyway, but serves to expose the motive for what it is, self-serving to the point of being recklessly dangerous to the security of the United States and everyone in it for no appreciable gain to the country.
There are those among us who are compelled to politicize every aspect of our lives, even to the extent that such activities endanger those same lives as well as those of our loved ones. At that point remedial action becomes imperative. Given this it may be that we could all come together, if only for such time sufficient to ferret these people out as they represent a threat to the nation of the worst sort, a domestic threat akin to an aggressive form of cancer.
Anyone willing to expose us to those types of risk is obviously far too overambitious to have any position of responsibility anywhere, in fact they most likely should be tried and shot if found guilty. This is a serious business and we must impress that to those who choose to engage in it so know they do so only at their own risk.
Perhaps the ‘journalist’ who was privy to this information could be convinced of the wisdom of allowing us to know who his source in this case was so that we may impart to him or her the fallacy of their ways and the pitfalls inherent to any such behavior in the future, should this individual still be in possession of a future after adjudication of this crime.
Rich in New Mexico.
It is fantasy to imagine the journalists reporting this alleged scandal would reveal their sources.
In fact, they would sooner spend the rest of their lives in prison before doing that.
It is fantasy to imagine the journalists reporting this alleged scandal would reveal their sources.
In fact, they would sooner spend the rest of their lives in prison before cooperating. Not to mention the additional protections they have as journalists.
You say the words “high level wrongdoing” as if it means something to you.
How about the 150 terabytes of horrific child rape and murder porn captured in Norway. Why don’t the pedophile protecting media report on that?
That’s 17 straight years of “porn.”
How about the 474 low level child porn fiends rounded up in Los Angeles, that was only “reported” by KTLA 5. Shouldn’t that be a story? Or is the “MSM” complicit?
Where are the child victims? Are they dead? Are they still being raped?
Jeff Sessions needs our support, and I warn you Glenn. If you do not come forward and help provide cover fire for him, you may be pegged as one of the satanist enablers, and you could be in serious danger.
What would be utterly lovely, in the joyful spirit of vicious vindictiveness, is if the Trump regime responded by prosecuting Clapper et. al, hard.
It would be grand to see the Trump regime and the emissaries of the Deep State have at one another with hot knives.
..be careful what you wish for.
Civil war within the US government would likely have undesirable consequences.
No need to wish…it’s here already. Schumer warned Trump via Rachel Maddow’s interview:
“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”
What is undesirable, are those consequences which lead inexorably to civil war, or war in general.
I don’t think I’m being paranoid at this stage in our political game to conclude there are dangerous internal forces in play in America which are coordinated and determined to destroy this current President and his ‘Make America Great’ agenda.
Looking at history it appears that superficial smallish acts bring war. But in fact we know this is not true. War is incubated. And what we witness in America today is an incubation of internal war. Democracy was a clever device to avoid war as the primitive method of power transference. Now the idea of democracy is being egregiously rejected by the Globalist Left. Hillary was their prize. Her victory snatched from their grasp. Now Trump threatens to undo decades of Leftist building. They will never let that happen. Invest in ammo.
Wait a minute Mr Saintimonious Glenn. Is it not your tag line… “If you see something, leak it! Your tag line does NOT say, “If you see something, legally leak it!”
So they saw something and they leaked it. Or should they only leak things you like only? If you live by the leak… you die by the leak!
Here you are showing your Hyper Hypocrisy. Maybe you should get out of the leak business or take it as it comes. If its the Truth… then F*#k your opinion. I rather have a Ilegal Truth than a Legal Lie! What say you? crickets… crickets… crickets…
Let the demons from both sides continue to fight it out. Because when the dust settles, the winner will be us… “We the People!”
See if this might resonate to you Glenn… “Give me the Liberty (Truth) or give me Death!”
Hyper Hypocrisy does not fit you well… so stop wearing this suit!
Regards,
Ah… Someone with ‘truth’ in his name posting BS.
Must be some kind of internet natural law.
I find it ironic how all the news media are in get Trump mode. Where was the outrage after the loss of lives in Benghazi when the Obama administration blamed the man who made a Muslim movie and not what Hillary sent in an email to Chelsea that it was a terrrorist attack? I am sure that it was straightened out when Obama went to all the 57 states when he was fund raising monies for the DNC though. Or maybe Hillary was going to come clean to the families of those fallen victims, or then again she could just lie to their faces when she knew the truth. I am sure that G. Greenwald will protect his source even though it is treason against our country to disclose and publish SIGINT information and he, and whoever printed the story, should also be tried for their duplicity in this treasonist act.
Every single senior department head at DOJ, CIA, FBI and NSA that supported Clinton or Obama should be LET GO NOW!
Time to go Bolshevik on the whole lot of them; especially the Leftist, Academics, Bureaucrats, Professional Politicians, and Lawyers.
if i was pres i would hunt that person down and a deep river would be there resting place
I was all for Snowden too. You seem to be jumping ahead, was the conversation leaked so that everybody can read it and come to their own conclusion? As far as I know we are taking Ignatius’s Word that he lied? Exactly what law did Flynn break? Seems to me that he got dumped for political expediency to try and get the story out of the news. As far as I can tell the guy did nothing wrong unless you have evidence of him promising Russia he would reverse sanctions? I would expect an incoming Official to talk to Counterparts of other Countries to say Hello, you will be dealing with me soon?
God help us, hopefully sacrificing a knight to capture a queen.
and how slithery The Intercept changes sides too. Did you defend Chelsea Manning? What about Pollard?
TrumpaLumps out in force — trying to excuse AhmadiTrump!
This is simple — see if you can get your head around it…
The General lied and the President was covering it up for three weeks!
Despite the risk the brave folks that exposed this took, you still have your head stuck in the sand screaming “I don’t see it”!
Oh, wait! You are saying it is fake news? Flynn was never there, and AhmadiTrump never fired him, and it is true because you can’t question the powers of the President! Ah….Got it!
So when Hilly’s e-mails are withheld from the public or the Benghazi info is slow walked and Susan Rice lies on all of the talk shows… That’s just FINE?
So I guess you praised the hackers that exposed the DNC’s bad and illegal behavior. W hat most people fail to understand is where was the due process in releasing this information to the press. Did Flynn get to face his accusers or are we now a society that relies on secret testimony to publically convict people? So the intelligence community gets to secretly decide who serves the president?
Yet the Executive Branch is responsible for enforcement of the law which puts Trump at an advantage does it not ? He could just have the Leakers and those to whom were Leaked to “Leakees” simply arrested and sort it out later, right ?
These weren’t hackers that leaked. These are appointed , permanent high level officials that are leaking, which appears will remain embedded throughout the Trump Presidency specifically to cut him down. Imagine everything you say on the phone or even write on a pad scoured for potential felonious offenses that will be presented as such even if it isn’t true.EVERY DAY. This is an internal coup. It’s like running the US Government in enemy territory . It IS enemy territory. Maybe the executive wing needs to be lined with lead walls. Maybe Trump needs to get the elite pedophiles out of power.
I can’t wait until ChildRapeGate gets going.
Who resigned when Fast and Furious, IRS targeting conservative businesses, and Benghazi happened. Neither AG Eric Holder, Louise Lerner or Hillary were held accountable for their actions. Conservatives shouldn’t be playing this game.
GG– I believe this is the first time Ive ever disagreed with some of your reasoning, or position- and Ive been following you before Snowden. I def agree whistleblowing etc–is appropriate/needed MANY TIMES and justifiable / non criminal.
But I dont see the specificity or clarity– or proper assessment of “To What Degree!?”–WHAT IS THE DEGREE– of Flynn’s still not fully accounted for actions —in this scenario.
Seems to much is still unknown- against a backdrop of KNOWN– HUGE– intrigue— much which sallies in murk of protecting the espionage, internal coup, treason, etc of Prior Officials. While (thankfully) REVEALING the utter enormity of the destruction of our (must be saved) Democratic Institutions
My ‘micro-variance’ of Judgement to yours– in This Report –are the areas of: “… blatantly lied to the public about a material matter” and “high level wrongdoing.” The substance and magnitude of the Material matter inform any conclusion on any associated actions. This material matter may have been miniscule- or tangentially related- and it seems we have incomplete conflicting reports of what acts even occurred.
As for high-level? First instance- yes high-level officials. Second instance– doesnt seem the alleged actions / scenarios– even if assumed correct as described thus far– rise to the level of “High-Level Wrongdoing.” (you know HIGH CRIMES and Misdemeanors..”) (And judgments on these Aspects and Degrees– AND APPROPRIATE TIME to expose and prosecute –are perhaps better assessed and handled with just a bit more time and inquiry.
And Yes “tell the truth to the public”– But Time and Inquiry– a wee bit– would seem better service– to Principle and Practice- in this INSTANCE.
What do ya think– or know that I don’t.
RA
So by this standard, Snowden should be allowed back with a Hero’s welcome for exposing the Obama Administration’s illegal activities. Furthermore, Wikileaks should be given a Press Pass in the White House Press Room for exposing the Democrats! The law is law and anyone involved in leaks or stealing information should go to prison period. When you take an oath it is sacrosanct and should not be broken.
Finally Obama is a War criminal that should be tried for War Crimes at the Hague for the Arab Spring and Fast and Furious.
So clowns like you Greenwald decide what leaks are noble and which aren’t. Not in my country. Every single leaker needs to see prison.
This was not a leak – it was a planned politically motivated release which one would expect in a police state were everyone’s communication is monitored. This is not how a democracy is supposed to operate.
Good article by Damon Linker in The Week…………………………
“It is the role of Congress to investigate the president and those who work for him. If Congress resists doing its duty, out of a mixture of self-interest and cowardice, the American people have no choice but to try and hold the government’s feet to the fire, demanding action with phone calls, protests, and, ultimately, votes. That is a democratic response to the failure of democracy.
Sitting back and letting shadowy, unaccountable agents of espionage do the job for us simply isn’t an acceptable alternative.
Down that path lies the end of democracy in America.”
Agree- Super. Also just read and shared Damon Linker’s Article in The Week. Super Well Said. Prompted me, earlier, to write here.. No I see yours too. Bravo!
It is time to put a guillotine out on the front lawn. All that attempt to Usurp the Trump Presidency can set good examples when they have their heads shoved under it from Treason. Those who didn’t fall into the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radical Trap are very excited to teach you how radicals are dealt with.
And yep those same criminal hacks could not find any of Hillary’s e-mails or communications as she wen around the world building her privet fortune trading favors using the state department as her vehicle… Treason.
Glenn,
You and Snowden are heroes in my book. Snowdens leaks revealed government misdeeds directed at ordinary everyday americans . And as such those leaks were wholly justifiable.
These leaks, however, as you correctly point put were vindictive and treasonous and most definitely NOT justifiable.
My $0.02
This is it in a nutshell…
HilLiary had dozens of SIGINT messages on her unsecure E-mail, she never faced any criminal charges over her fund raising scams, so why shouldn’t every other democrat think breaking the law for politics isn’t fine.
Quit buying the idea that all democrats wanted Hilary or think that her abuse of power was something that shouldn’t have gone unpunished. That being said, the emails that we have been able to read are harmless compared to the suspicions that people in Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russians to influence our election.
This means that the hack of the DNC’s emails are justified.
I have calling for prosecution of these felons for several weeks. Execution of these folks would be fine in my book. I don’t want a media outlet making decisions to publish or not publish government secrets based on their political position. I am not interested in having a media that will leak government secrets for any reason. I think that any media outlet that publishes government secret should be prosecuted and if found guilty senior executives would go to prison for a long stretch and perhaps depending on the severity of the secrets exposed the corporation would be put out of business.
Spot on article. And since craven politics is so central to the manner in which leaks are handled, I wouldn’t be to surprised to see this carry over into pardons of leakers of information that hurts the Presidents opposition parties, which might enable some very corrupt operations to take place.
“Justifiably”? LOL! Who determines what is justifiable? No one in this case and in these positions have that prerogative. There are appropriate channels for this. The leaders and reporters should be prosecuted.
If there is wrongdoing, aren’t there normal internal procedures in place to address those wrongdoings? It’s not really legitimate whistleblowing when there is no systemic effort to suppress knowledge of the wrongdoing.
I have to disagree with either party leaking classified information for political purposes. If any working person below the political level leaked such highly classified information their clearance would be gone and they would be in jail. This double standard does harm to our legal system and to our country. The “if you see something, leak something” is a terrible idea and policy. Who are you to make the judgement call that might put others at risk of death or our ability to collect vital intelligence. It harms the trust in the intelligence communities by those on whom such trust is paramount and it makes those who work hard to collect, analyze and produce intelligence products less credible. When you obtain an intel level clearance you give an oath to never reveal that information to anyone not cleared and possessing a “need-to-know” for the rest of your life. How honorable is someone that breaks such an oath? My dad always said that a man’s word is his bond. A person that breaks their sworn oath is to be reviled no matter what the excuse, especially when the person hides behind anonymity.
Bull! there is “high-level wrongdoing “… we do care about the leakers. They pose security threats.
I’m having a problem identifying the troublesome “lie”. Is the author certain of the conversation and the context? Is the author certain that Flynn remembered the conversation explicitly and then ‘hid’ the contents with the “lie”? I’m seeing quite a leap here in the article.
Yeah, it’s troublesome that the left and dems are scummy in their tactics and antics and how they never seem to resign but always demand it from their opponents….just as it’s totally maddening that the idiot Party of Stoopid eats its own and demands resignations.
Maybe a small unit of professional patriots will eliminate the administrations enemies. That would be cool.
So CIA undermines real diplomacy with a nuclear power that Obama pushed to the brink of war, and we cheer for that?
You realize they are targeting Russia on every front, as they have since O’Bomber took over. He overthrew Ukraine, violated UNSC resolutions to destroy Libya, and then attempted to overthrow the government of Syria. Obama rebuilt Al Qaeda, which had been floundering and ineffectual, and gave them a homeland in the rural parts of Syria.
Ukraine and Syria were obviously targeted because they host Russian naval bases. The naval bases are still targeted to this day, and they have now convinced Trump to up the ante and demand Russia abandon its Crimean base!
We are back at the edge of Armageddon. Thanks CIA and the mindless echo chamber which cheers for things it has no comprehension of.
We need an investigation into CIA loyalties, which won’t happen as long as the press in the hands of the warmongers. Options slim.
Great, start investigating Loyalties! Great Idea, perhaps we can raise senator McCarthy from the grave to conduct it!
What a thoughtless comment. Brainless.
No need to investigate the FBI’s loyalty…Comey bent way down to kiss Trump’s ass.
Indeed. And Hillary generously and gleefully gave Libya to ISIS so that they could regroup and train. But the creation and re-creation of these antagonists is merely the continuing attempt by the Deep State at self preservation, and creating the conditions they require (endless war, terrorism, fear, and paranoia) in order to survive and persist.
When a new administration comes in they need to clean house completely. Cabinet members alone are not enough. The appointed heads come and go with each successive administration and along with them go the political direction given them by their elected bosses. The change must run deeper, much deeper. What does not change currently are the senior level career bureaucrats and they should routinely go along with those above them. They represent what consists of the institutional memory and that unfortunately preserves the ideological inertia of these organizations.
These are the people who are in complete control of day to day operations, personnel decisions and assignments. These are also the people who, as we saw with Lois Lehner at the IRS, are most likely responsible for any wrong doing based on political motivation. These are those who would be in the position to recognize leaks and leakers as well as those who could create and direct leaks and leakers and this is precisely why they present the greatest danger not only to the incoming administrations but to the nation.
In draining the swamp a task well overdue, I sincerely hope President Trump allows this debacle to be a reminder to cast a wide enough net and to dig down deep enough to get rid of the real, long term malignancies which are poisoning our republic and threatening our very way of life.
Flynn is the first scapegoat in this administration. Trump knew Flynn was talking with the Russian Ambassador, but now must deny it and send him packing.
The whole Trump presidency is going be marred by one disaster after another. His entire cabinet is practically a recruitment poster for ISIS. They are as happy for Trump to be president as Vlad is.
Fortunately for the Donald, he inherits an America that is doing better than ever. Thanks to Obama, we have record unemployment numbers, record stock market highs, low gas prices, legalized gay marriage, low health insurance costs (mine is less than 100/month thanks to Obamacare), low car insurance costs (mine is just 25/month from Insurance Panda), low mortgage rates, high consumer confidence, legalized marijuana (almost), and more personal freedoms than ever before!
Trump, on the other hand, picks another ignorant right wing fascist with mental health issues for his administration. We are in trouble, America!
“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”
Nice. Been waiting for the reasoning of life to become the seasoning of breath
The author makes the case of the severity of the crime in leaking this info, but fails to do so regarding Flynn actions.
Worst case scenario, he broke a 1799 law that has never been enforced. The fact that he lied about it, does not justify leaking such intelligence.
His lie, pales in comparison to Ben Rhodes, who admitted that the public was intentionally misled regarding the Iran Deal, or the Obamacare architect who bragged about fooling the public.
Disgruntled civil servants have a responsibility to report intelligence failure or suspected malfeasance to the US Inspector General or the Congressional Intelligence Oversight Commitee. There is NEVER a legitimate reason to expose U.S. Intelligence programs or collection capabilities to the media.
Glen, you are 100% wrong in your assertion that these people are justified in leaking to the press. There are multiple alternatives to leaking info to politically motivated pressers. Ignatius should be put in jail until he reveals his source(s) and those responsible for this leak should be striped of their clearances and face criminal prosecution.
W T F ??? !!!
Anyone hired under Obama via Clapper
should be FIRED A-S-A-“focking”-P
“wholly justified”
What a great Stalinist… the ends justify the means?
Glen Greenwald, you areananus
So Glenn, what laws exactly did Flynn break?
Did I miss the trial, conviction and sentencing in a court of law?
If so, I apologize for taking the wife out for Valentines dinner tonight and may have missed Flynn’s trial…
Glenn, thank you for the insights you offer in this article.
Could you assign someone to report on a subject that seems to be taboo to report on for whatever reason that subject being “What are they really doing to our sky”?
If an organization that serves the truth as The Intercept does reports that there is nothing to it, regarding geoengineering, fine, but if there is something to it we are counting on you and your team. Please consider reporting on the matter. Thank you for your consideration.
See: GeoengineeringWatch.org
Poor Trumper, he has absolutely no clue of what he’s in for. Aint even a month, and he’s already fulminating. I give him a year, tops, before he just melts down. Note to Melania: C’mon, Mel, I know you abhor this whole egotistical suicide mission Papa is on, so do the right the thing. You know what I mean: How long before fatso takes a mistress and get busted ? He’s gonna embarrass the daylights out of you, so get out now. Divorce him, and do it very publicly. There’s nothing he’ll be able to do except squirm, because I’m sure you know all kinds of fun things about him.
Know what the Wookie said to the big-eared Monkey? I guess it is a secret.
Who let you out of the basement? Time for you to go back to playing your online games, buttercup.
Trump is doing great. Carrying out most of his promises. Hasn’t even been a month. Got a lot of dirty swamp left by Obama to clean out yet. It will be a wonderful 8 years.
Yes, Trump drained the swamp and replaced it with his own raw sewage. We’ll need to build a wall around the White House to keep the sewage contained.
God gave me the ability to see who liars are. The US mainstream media and the Democrats and the DNC are complicit in a scheme to defraud the American people of the truth, and Chris Cuomo is the epitome of FAKE NEWS.
One thing you can say about leftist Democrats is that they will violate any law and commit any crime necessary to retain power or take down their enemies.
Looks like we a Clintonesque “Snowden” hiding in the Government somewhere.
It’s one thing to leak hacked emails, which I really did not approve of. But it is a different matter all together when someone in the Government clearly breaks the law and leaks Classified info to the Press.
This was a crime, period. I think it was payback for the hacked DNC emails, but that does not change anything. Whoever did should be put in jail.
Glenn, thanks for the news flash.
But all you have done is further prove to me that the Left is wounded and will by any means necessary lie, cheat, and steal to regain power. The Left is the real danger to America.
CIA loyalties are suspect.
better watch out, Craigie…..those commies are hiding under your bed and in your closet. Hey, perhaps you can transport yourself into the past, say 1950’s, and implement a brainwave modifier to ensure the loyalties of the CIA and the rest of America.
the only thing that’s ‘suspect’ around here are your comments…..lol
Yeah, except McCarthy was right. There really were un-American activities. Thanks to the efforts of guys like McCarthy, we were able to avoid the fate of the Russians, where Jewish dominated Bolsheviks gained power and proceeded to massacre ten times as many Russians as Jews died in the Holocaust. The story of the Jewish dominated American communists is now told by Jewish dominated Hollywood, God’s chosen liars, so most people are severely misinformed about that era.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. You’re seriously buying into that “Jew Bolshevik” crap? Communist Russia, in case you might have noticed, was not a Jewish paradise. Nor was McCarthy stopping any kind of “Jew conspiracy” – he was just going after liberals he didn’t like, destroying fair political discussion and (together with Nixon, another “commie” hunter) setting the stage for the slow decline of America from the world’s richest country, a democracy, where the rich paid 90% taxes to being a Capitalist-Fundamentalist theocracy run for the benefit of the oil companies that wouldn’t be able to win a war with Iran much less China.
LOL……reading your silly comments really makes me laugh. You’re like the 5th stooge, Moe, Larry, Curly, Shep & you…..Stupe.
Hey, can you get down on your Left shoulder and spin around in a circle for us on the floor? LOL……
It’s late and beddy bye time for you Galactus. Now crawl into in that space space of your illusions, and hug your big brother doll, while saying your prayers to the DNC, as you gently fall asleep, into a Deep State of mind.
“Our Father Soros, hallowed be thy name, your NWO come, your will be done, on America as it is in the DEEP STATE.
Yo, dude, you’re mistaking the Democratic Party with the Left. Think, for Christ’s sake!
The Left IS the democratic party.
They are one and the same. Always have been and always will be.
but it hurts…
So the “right ” doesn’t? The real threat is the illusion of left and right that splits the people in order to facilitate their exploitation. You may notice after some observation that they both serve the same master, and it damn sure isn’t the working people.
Equating the left with the CIA/”intelligence community” is absolutely ludicrous.
The actual left, as wildly divorced from the “Democratic”party, with whom it has virtually nothing in common, has been at the forefront of trying to fight the stunningly pernicious agenda of the CIA/Pentagon military/industrial/”intelligence” axis, for decades, with varying levels of success.
It’s good to hear that he’s out, but you know, what goes around comes around.
What if the leaks were not done for some great moral cause but because Flynn was going to release some of the dirty details of the Iran deal? Things that were kept quiet, like billions of dollars being flown to Iran. Probably legal but certainly eye opening.
I’m confused here, what did Flynn do that was bad? The most I’ve heard is that the Russian ambassador asked about the sanctions and Flynn, factually correct in so saying, told the ambassador that the Trump Administration was not yet in power so the Russians would have to wait for them to be sworn in before they could do anything about it. This is hardly some smoking gun.
Additionally, the intelligence agencies are the modern agent of President Eisenhower’s “military industrial complex”. It’s not hard to find a problem with the NSA spying illegally on American citizens and they lying about it before Congress and the American people, or the FBI playing politics, first one side then the other then back again, with the Clinton e-mail server and the like. How is this a good leak against Flynn while the leaks of Clinton’s e-mails were bad leaks?
Not all leaks are created equal, and this was no Snowden leak, revealing to the American people that they were being lied to and spied upon.
This was a leak by deep intelligence agencies against a man who many of them considered antagonistic to them. In other words, Flynn could potentially have been a check on the mostly unchecked power of the intelligence agencies run amok.
How is it a “good thing” that he has been forced out by the very agencies that have routinely lied to the American people, to our elected representatives, and who would have been a check on their power?
Can you answer that question?
Indeed, your “proof” of this being a “good thing” was a link to an article where THAT author calls it a good thing…but fails to justify why. His justification seems to be Flynn wouldn’t have been fired/resigned if the leak hadn’t made the information (which the Trump Administration already seemed to know about) public. But he doesn’t actually make a convincing argument as to WHY Flynn being fired/resigned was a good thing.
In essence, he’s saying that the leak itself has power to enact some real-world result. But he doesn’t say why that result ITSELF was a particularly good thing.
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Again, a man who is antagonistic towards the intelligence community and would potentially have been a check on an intelligence community that routinely lies to the American people and government officials has been ousted by that self-same intelligence community, allowing them to continue operating unchecked. You even note that their motivations weren’t important to you, only the result, but this is the result: Less checks on the power of the intelligence agencies, which are subsuming considerable power (enough they can now freely break the law to remove potential rivals from office!)
Can you explain to me why this is a good thing? HOW this is a good thing? Read that part in parentheses again:
“enough they can now freely break the law to remove potential rivals from office!”
HOW the HELL do you justify this as a good thing?
Glenn, you’re the greatest!
The Intercept seems to be cheering a slippery slope on that leads to a police state.
IMO, if you can’t trust the security/intelligence apparatus to follow the rules, it’s only a matter of time until they bend to the weaker parts of human nature and start bending the rules for their own self-interests.
This was not “whistleblowing”. Whistleblowing would be provding transcripts to an oversight agency, not to the press.
Saul Alinsky on means vs ends. 1), 2), 5), 6), and 9) are especially relevant to the leakers and Flynn.
1) One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue, and one’s distance from the scene of conflict
2) The judgement of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment
3) In war, the end justifies almost any means
4) The judgement of the ethics of means must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point
5) Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available
6) The less important the end, the more one engage in ethical evaluations about means
7) Success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics
8) The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory
9) Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical
10) You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments
I think the true mistake was that he resigned. What did he do that was so horrible? The PROBLEM for the Media/Democrats (little difference these days) is how obvious their propaganda has become. The American people are becoming more immune to it. The Saber-rattling only works if people buy it. I would think a majority of the country simply don’t believe the “Russia hacked the election” or “Trump is a compromised Russian agent” narrative. But the really scary part is, most of the Democratic party has convinced their followers (like a cult) that Trump = KKK, NAZIS, AND DA RUSSIANS! But which is it? Is the KKK, is it the Russians or is it the Nazis?
LOL – It’s a shame how silly the MSM has become.
It is not only a shame it is dangerous.
likewise
it is against the law to talk about the things with people you know and talked with before but cannot talk to now because the CRIMINAL FOREIGN POLICY CULT of the US gov wants total domination and control of the criminal dependency relationships they have created to empower themselves.
I sincerely hope that President Donald Trump can break their system up for the criminal monopoly it is.
So flatly lying to the American public–the very people he’s supposed to serve–not horrible or a problem? You’re quick to toss out “cult” accussations against those who rightfully and accurately challenge the flimsy base and actions under which Trump and his administration act, yet readily excuse and lash out at anyone daring to point them out in the first place. If what you want is to talk about cult and mob mentality, I think it is indeed people such as yourself that fit the bill, covering your eyes and screaming out of the top of your lungs whenever your Dear Leader is under fire, preferring to take a bullet for his Highness than to critically analyze the score of evidence and arguments that back the claims.
Clamor about “narratives” all you want, but it seems clear the only “narrative” Americans should really be concerned about is the whitewashers of Trump’s droppings.
The neo-Nazis are a far stronger force in the Russian style of “conservatism” than you would think conceivable from the country’s tragic history. There are a lot of awful photos of Russian liberal activists and anti-Putin people beaten up by neo-Nazis … while others have suffered worse.
this was AFTER the election, he overstepped as a private citizen before being appointed .. and so he resigned
it’s not even clear that he misrepresented the new government’s actual position
this of course makes no difference to greenwald, who only wants to sharpen his ax regarding various tiresome legal and ethical points
however it ties in nicely with the russia thing, which is a chattering-class monstrosity that’s certain to keep the Mackeys of the world busy, as our government becomes packed with more and more of trump’s minions (or at least the ones who can avoid any obvious blunders)
Greenwald is dead wrong about this being a noble or justifiable felony crime. No crime is justifiable. If it was, the Law would reflect that. It does not. General Flynn did not lie to the Public. His conversation was with Vice President Mike Pence. The Public does not have the security clearance for such sensitive information. The topic was neither here nor there, in the scheme of things. Hillary Clinton passing State secrets to a private citizen and Obama providing intel, advance weapons and other material support to islamic terrorists…now that is something that is justifiably in the need to know of the American Citizenry.
General Flynn is the sacrificial lamb for a dumbfounded Trump administration.President Trump has this idea that you have to be liked by everyone including traitors such as Hillary,Soros and Obama.President Trump it is not good to be liked by snake in the grass black mambas such as Ryan,Pelosi,Hillary,Obammy,McConnell,McManiac,Graham,Rubio,Kasich,Jeb Bush,Reince Prebus,Nikki Hayley and many many more.The press that you keep sending Conway out to talk to are not your friends.They hate you and they want you to fail.
I think it’s time to open a new wing in Leavenworth for these criminals.
So reading the statue the initially presented , doesn’t it make you wonder how hillary escaped prosecution,so far?
Since the leakers obviously violated federal law they should be identified and prosecuted. There is no “justifiable” reason to leak intelligence information. If reporters knowing published classified information they should also be prosecuted.
Good article, underling the point that felony leaks occur every day in Wash D.C., many of them originating from the CIA or other Security State offices. They are accepted when they serve the dominant power interests…and it is super interesting to observe here that the dominant power interests are THE CIA and not the POTUS! Former CIA John Kiriakou predicted a few weeks ago, in this Shadowproof interview -https://shadowproof.com/2017/01/25/around-empire-episode-6-inside-cias-war-trump-feat-john-kiriakou/ – that the CIA would oppose Flynn. For another POV on the propriety of Flynn’s discussions, Robert Parry has penned a worthwhile editorial: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/14/trump-caves-on-flynns-resignation/
Also during today’s episode of Letters & Politics,
The guest was a CIA guy and gave the same scenario
https://kpfa.org/episode/letters-and-politics-february-14-2017/
People say there is a RACE problem. People say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY and ONLY into White countries.
People say the only solution to the RACE problem is if ALL and ONLY White countries “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against White people, Anti-Whites agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
You’re at the wrong website, homes. Try Stormfront.
You’ve learned well, TimN. Don’t refute his assertions (because you can’t), don’t dispute his conclusion (because you couldn’t), just call him a Nazi. That means he’s wrong. Now run along and get your pat on the head, weakling.
This is either a result of a raid or you are clearly dim. What was posted is literary called “The Mantra” which members of supremacists websites (primarily stormwieners) will encourage one another to spam in clearly irrelevant places (such as this article). There’s no “assertion” or “argument” to address because it’s nothing but copy paste propaganda designed to “sway” naive on-lookers. Sound familiar? You don’t have to believe me either. Just google “Where did you post the Mantra today” and look for the stormfront result.
Such insipid rhetoric! Did you look in a mirror and puff your chest out when you typed that?
Perhaps you can simply kick some sand in his face, tough guy.
Don’t be bitter because the girls you’ve had crushes on don’t give you the time of day and prefer thick brother meat.
There is a particular kind of ugly you find on right wing sites. And there is a particular kind of stupid. Same is true for left wing sites. You are squarely in left wing / ugly.
That can only be taken as a compliment, coming from a racist loon like yourself.
Hey, there’s something I’ve been wondering about for a long time, and you’re just the person who can answer: Why are you racist conservatives the biggest consumer of cuckold porn? Why are you so attracted by what you claim repels you?
Craig’s pornography is the Intercept’s comment sections where he becomes the man he imagines himself to be.
good one……;)
That reveals a profound failure of imagination on his part, because no one here is impressed by his posturing.
Yea, unfortunately, he showed up here a few days ago and has been making an *ss out of himself, non-stop. Go look in the mirror. You’ll see the statement above staring back at you…….lol
Craig, my question was a serious one, and am I’m still waiting for you to answer it.
Why does a racist like you get so turned on by watching a brother fuck a pretty white girl, and why do you fantasize about lapping up his mess after he’s done?
There’s nothing wrong in having such proclivities, but you have to admit it’s an odd one for racists. So, please tell me you cons are the biggest consumers of cuckold porn.
I must have missed it….no where did Grudgewald detail the crime(s) committed by Flynn.
“Blatantly lied to the public about a material matter’ you say? You clearly called for the dismissal of Susan Rice, Pres Obama, and Hilary Clinton for lying about a video being the cause of the Benghazi attack…a lie to the public of a material matter. If you didn’t make that call you have zero credibility.
The “public’ has no ab
Bitter partisanship cloaked in pseudo-patriotism and pseudo-legalism. Just like the Dems’ nuclear option”, this will come back to bite the left harder than it will ever bite the right. Trump used to be the military’s best friend. Not so sure now. He may suddenly become the “infrastructure President”.
Flynn is an idiot. If he just said, when asked about the call, that it was no one’s business, neither deny or confirm anything, he wouldn’t have been caught lying. Or if he had some balls, just admit it and double down it, blame Obama for harsh sanctions that weren’t justified since Russia did not hijack the election (and followed Trump’s narrative). The American public don’t care about Russia anyway. Anyhow, for someone who was knowingly doing something illegal and had a long career in intelligence, why he didn’t protect his communications?
Idiot.
Ben, you are quite correct. The Russia, election game is a simply democrat construct to help hide the reasons for their loss in the Presidential election and to undermine the win of President Trump and his authority. If it also made people forget the reset button and mis-wording of the inept Hil-liar-y/0bama team I’d bet they would take that too!
It is the same with the so-called popular vote. That is one used because the democrats stupidly did not know which votes to steal and lost due to the Electoral College, a system we have only been using for 240 years plus or minus a few. If the popular vote decided elections President Trump would simply have campaigned differently and won that instead. Say what you will, the man knows how to win and he gets things done. He is the anti-democrat, kind of like matter and anti-matter, when they come together there is one big explosion resulting in the elimination of the democrats. I love it.
In fact the Russian hack narrative is running neck and neck with the Benghazi video and Glo-bull warming for scams of the decade. I’m afraid the Bosnian sniper story lost ground around the back stretch and is fading fast…
“The officials leaking this information acted justifiably,”
Snowden and Manning acted justifiably. They were trying to correct an obvious wrong.
The Flynn leakers are not trying to improve America but bring it down. There is a vast difference.
Good statement.
yep
From your mouth to Big Brother’s Ears: Truth to power.
Why would you want a National Security Advisor that lies to the Vice President of the US, about his conversations with a Russian official? what the fuck are you trump people on? You want your cabinet members to lie to your president? you people are out of your minds.
The leakers are totally justified.
I was not aware that Vice President equals President. Is this something new? Until “President” is dead, Vice-President” is an adviser. Lying to him means nothing.
Don’t you know the difference?
His conversation probably went something like this:
“Don’t let this stupid Obama throwing out your guys get to you. He’s got a few weeks left. Then they can come back . Yeah, he’s really acting wacky, but when has he not?
“Patience, my friend, patience.”
Lying to Pence? What entitles Pence to the absolute truth?
At least while Trump yet breathes.
The Logan Act is worthless. Never a single prosecution of it. Mostly because the Supreme Court would throw it directly into the Potomac.
And in this case, it is in a very grey area. Appointed, yet not confirmed.
Pretty shaky.
No, they’re trying to bring Trump down. Huge difference, as Trump himself might say. Do you really not understand this?
General Flynn is a good general who is in the crosshairs of Bathhouse Barry Soetero aka Barack Hussein Obammy who is not eligible to be a dog catcher for the government.Talk about the biggest fraud in U.S. history.Bathhouse Barry let General Flynn go back in 2014 because he rightly pointed out that the Muslim killers who are trying to take over the world were not contained.Barry said they were.General Flynn said they were not.Of course the little man Bathhouse Barry could not let a knowledgeable general tell the truth.That would not do.The same can be said for General Stanley McChrystal.He lost his job in the Bathhouse Barry Soetero administration too.He was stating that Barry did not know what the heck he was doing.I hope that President Trump decides to have Barry arrested for treason,tried and sentence carried out, or have him deported to his country called Indonesia.Traitors are everywhere now.President Trump needs to take extraordinary measures.
The fact that these people aren’t hunted down, with every means possible and as expeditiously as possible is frightening. To all the people left over from the NWO process (or ongoing), this bit of payback will turn schadenfreude into a minor term. Who knows the ramifications of these acts and potential interruptions to ops underway or….
Drain the swamp and regardless of what people have done to hurt this country, prosecute to the fullest- we cannot afford to hurt ourselves or allies due to a ‘payback’ for HRC not getting elected-
Where this is going, schools and celebrities talking of assassinating POTUS- showing middle school kids it’s okay to kill- our left is no different than HAMAs.. Stop it now! Plz- FBI, House/Senate do your f’ing jobs
You have provided no evidence, nor even the merest conjecture by any party, that your contention that “the leaks revealed that a high government official, Gen. Flynn, blatantly lied to the public about a material matter” is true. We don’t know that it was material at all. In fact, the evidence suggests otherwise because nobody is suggesting a Logan Act prosecution. So any mention of sanctions must have been minor, in passing. The real story is what Trump says, and it’s frightening that intelligence bureaucrats have engineered a minor coup over a democratically elected government.
This whole think is such a fucking mess. Liars lying about the lies they told to other liars. All the while, the American people are trying to pay the rent, keep the lights on, put food on the table, and send the kids to college. This disconnect between the government and the people can not endure. It is going to break and when it does, it will be as Jefferson predicted….
“What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms… ”
-Th. Jefferson to William Smith, 1787.
310,000,000 privately-owned firearms makes one hell of a stick-um note.
Keep your powder dry.
It bothers me that we don’t have a transcript of the call. This is hearsay evidence at best.
We are hearing what somebody said about what somebody said about somebody . . . .
Exactly. The end.
That, Si1ver1ock, is the teapot in which to put the tempest.
“Justified “? Really? Significant felonies were committed but the ends justify the means. Is that where the left has gone?
God help us.
even more significant felonies are committed by the government. maybe reporting on those shouldn’t be a significant felony.
We don’t know what was said. Flynn may simply have been commiserating with the Russians, being sympathetic in order to establish a good rapport. he may have been trying to build a a working relationship.
I want to see the transcript.
If Flynn’s phone calls were so innocent, then why did he resign? This undermines the argument that you are attempting to make.
People are jockeying for power. This goes to the Pence, Priebus cabal.
^^^^ditto
He ‘resigned’ because he was told to. When the Prez asks for your resignation that means you have been fired.
The claim will no doubt be made, with some justification, that he resigned to prevent further furor and confusion from enveloping the nascent Trump regime. The same “intelligence” community, headed by the likes of Clapper, whose innocence and trustworthiness are non-existent, attempted to use almost the same argument, that if you’re not guilty, you shouldn’t mind your communications being monitored, for the benefit of the state. And conversely, those who do mind and do resist, must be guilty.
My good sir,
Being an official close to this situation, but not authorized to speak publically, rest assured that as soon as Mr. Podesta gets the transcript from Glenn Thrush it will be published forthwith.
Also please understand, as all my “reporters” do, that working for a certain government agency prevents me from disclosing my true name and sources. But trust me, everything I provide is always truthful.
Until I see some documentation it’s just a rumor of a leak.
That is what ties this to the Republican party. Ruining people by spreading rumors is their forte. It’s part of the swamp we want drained.
Significant felonies. Could you name them for the record?
Perhaps some spies will leak other secret information that details lies, or deals or misrepresentations that all congressmen make, that Obama made repeatably, etc.
Oh wait, we can’t do that to liberals. Only celebrate when it happens to conservatives.
Yes all the influence peddling, being bought by various interests and ” dealmaking” for dollars need to be exposed.
Mr. Greenwald
Whether it’s General Petraeus, Hillary Clinton or General Flynn, you continually equate what Snowden did to other national security breeches. That is completely false. There are varying degrees of murder and what Snowden (and Manning) committed was first degree murder on US intelligence. This is something that most Democrats and Republicans agree on. Snowden may have had the best of intentions, but what he did does not equate to the leaks by intelligence officials associated with General Flynn.
Additionally, you must be somewhat conflicted by this turn of events, Mr. Greenwald. You wrote about the CIA in another article in which you defended the election of Trump as a “threat” to the “deep state”:
Now you seem to be defending the leaks by the “deep state” which brought down General Flynn for lying about discussing the Obama sanctions with the Russian Ambassador – which Trump likely had a hand in:
There is no mistaking the “great good” in your statement. Well, which is it? Are we rooting for or against the deep state?
I like how, in order to defend your authoritarianism and generally bad ideas, you pretends to be clueless, as above. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.
TimN
Don’t give me the benefit of the doubt. Please explain…..
I usually agree with GG, but not here. All leaks are not equal. An intelligence officer who abuses their access SIGINT to cherry-pick information, which they leak to the press to discredit a political opponent, is not justified in their actions. They’re breaking the law and they’re doing it for self-serving reasons.
Drawing moral equivalence between these leaks and the Manning and Snowden leaks is like drawing moral equivalence between Robin Hood and Butch Cassidy.
Since when is the National Security Advisor obligated to reveal his conversations with foreign governments to the press?
He makes an interesting point that the press were falling over themselves to please Obama, who treated them terribly. I wonder how Trump will deal with them? Perhaps if they hadn’t sold their souls things would be different.
How do I subscribe to The Intercept online, please?
So the essence of all this is a reporter that dutifully prints what a CIA employee tells him.
I wonder how one, especially a non spy, verifies what a spy says?
I guess if it is salacious enough, then that is all that matters.
A true soap opera nation the United States has become.
I wonder how one, especially a non spy, verifies what a spy says?
If one is a corporate media hack, one’s job is to parrot. Verifying doesn’t come into it.
What did Flynn do?
Clinton email investigation bad…Flynn intercept and leak good.
No leak is justified. These employees have taken a sworn oath to never reveal secrets. Who are they to to decide what is best for the United States? The leakers should be hunted down, perp walked, tried and if the evidence supports it convicted. They should receive the most stringent punishment allowable. I have never violated my oath and have no respect for the people who do because they are traitors.
where were u glenn when Obama was lying his ass off for 8 years?
Screw that, these folks should be found and prosecuted. We cannot have rogue folks deciding what they think is justifiable and then leaking highly classified information. That is called anarchy. These folks should be found (which cannot be hard) and prosecuted in every way humanly possible and legal. This isn’t hurting Trump, this is hurting our nation, and these ner-do-wells need to be stopped. It’s one thing to disagree with your commander, it is quite another to overtly commit a treasonous act. I suspect, despite the media’s wishing it were so, that a large percentage of the population feels as I do.
Totally agree. People need to go to jail for this. This is totally insane.
So a guy made a legal phonecall, and someone(s) committed an illegal act to reveal the legal phonecall, then the guy who made the legal phonecall got fired for lying to his bosses about a legal phonecall that they knew he made, and therefore the person(s) who illegally released transcripts of the phonecall are heroes for releasing national security information from the previous presidential administration when the current administration already knew about it and had admitted it to the press?
Democrats are so f**king stupid.
Flynn’s phone call was of dubious legality. He was a civilian conducting foreign policy, which violates Federal law.
Selling uranium to the Russians during the Obammy administration is a problem.Hillary and Obammy sold uranium to a country that the Demoncraps keep saying is a bad, evil country.Hillary went one step further.She received thirty five million dollars from Putin for her slush fund the non charity called the Clinton Foundation.I say that Hillary broke so many laws that she should be under Alcatraz.The same can be said for your imposter hero from Indonesia Bathhouse Barry Soetero aka Barack Hussein Obammy.They are traitors of the highest order.General Flynn did not violate the Logan Act or any other act for that matter.Barry is embarrassed because Flynn showed how incompetent he is.Now Barry and his minions are working against Trump.
A civilian can call the Russian ambassador. Sounds legal to me. But of course Hillary’s secret email server that contained all her Sec of State communications was perfectly legit?
I guess that Trump is going to get rid of the cowboy in the white hat and keep the black skanky witch who cackles very easily.
rofl @ that. Lindsay Lohan is where right now and doing what?
Which law specifically backs up your claim? You’re saying there is a law that says I can’t call Putin, if I got his number, and say I’ll be nice to Russian tourists in America if he’s nice to American tourists in Russia.
The Logan Act backs up my claim. Flynn was speaking to the Russian ambassadors, and ambassadors exist to discuss foreign policy. The timing of Flynn’s phone calls corresponds to time period when Obama announced sanctions against Putin and his cronies for manipulating the US presidential election, as was determined by 17 US intelligence agencies.
You should read the Logan Act, like actually read it instead of taking someone’s word on what it says, it’s been unchanged since it was written and covers none of what you seem to think it does.
so how does a civilian conduct foreign policy? what ability does a civilian have to orchestrate the operations of a US govt agency? sounds just like a guy having a conversation and giving opinions…that had no authority toward any FedGuv action.
I’m guessing the argument for the use of the Logan Act against Flynn is that he, as a civilian, was using his future position he had not gotten yet to influence US policy with a Russian diplomat of no stature.
Problem is with using the Logan Act against Flynn, is that fabricated controversy with zero evidence, or evidence based on heresay,