Jared Kushner began his effort to broker peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians by accepting Israel’s vision of itself as an innocent victim.
Updated: June 22, 6:51 a.m. EDT
Even before Benjamin Netanyahu locked him in a warm embrace, Jared Kushner began his effort to broker peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians by making it clear that he completely accepts Israel’s vision of itself as an innocent victim.
That’s because Kushner started his 15-hour trip to the Middle East on Wednesday by mourning with the family of an Israeli police officer, Hadas Malka, who was killed by a Palestinian assailant in East Jerusalem on Friday.
Jared Kushner lands in Israel, rushes to visit Malka family.https://t.co/qLcsNMstpR pic.twitter.com/V17fFWTS87
— Eli Dror (@edrormba) June 21, 2017
Since her death, Israelis have been outraged over the murder of Malka, who was a member of the border police force charged with maintaining Israeli control in the Old City of Jerusalem, one of the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967.
Major Hadas Malka passed away after fighting for her life and fighting the evil Palestinian Terrorist who stabbed and murdered her! RIP pic.twitter.com/hfCvWNUTBe
— May Golan ??? ???? (@GolanMay) June 16, 2017
Kushner also expressed the condolences of his father-in-law, President Donald Trump, according to Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli newspaper. The father of the murdered woman reportedly tried to draw a contrast between Israelis and Palestinians by telling Kushner that while his wife was weeping and in pain over their daughter’s death, the mother of the Palestinian who killed her, and was shot dead afterward, “is praising and glorifying her son.”
Malka’s killing, as part of a coordinated attack by three Palestinian assailants on officers at the Damascus Gate in the Old City, was described by Israeli officials as a terrorist attack.
Funeral of Border policewoman Hadas Malka last night. She was murdered in terrorist attack at Damascus gate on Friday. May she rest in peace pic.twitter.com/9bZa5Xm4cl
— Micky Rosenfeld (@MickyRosenfeld) June 18, 2017
Ahead of Kushner’s visit, Jason Greenblatt, the Trump administration’s peace envoy for the region, echoed that language by condemning what he called the “savage terrorist attack” on the young officer.
The United States stands with our ally Israel and condemns the savage terrorist attack in Jerusalem. #HadasMalka
— Jason D. Greenblatt (@jdgreenblatt45) June 18, 2017
Today I paid a shiva call to family of Hadas Malka. She was murdered by terrorists. This violence is intolerable! pic.twitter.com/9IgSPq2LB2
— Jason D. Greenblatt (@jdgreenblatt45) June 19, 2017
While the young woman’s killing was the latest in a long series of tragedies in nearly a century of conflict, the description of the attack as terrorism overlooks the fact that she was in East Jerusalem as an armed officer responsible for enforcing Israel’s control over the captive population of an occupied territory. The use of that language by American officials also clashes with U.S. law, which clearly defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.”
President Obama’s last ambassador to Israel, Daniel Shapiro, praised Kushner for mourning Malka’s death, and confirmed to The Intercept that the Obama administration had also described Palestinian attacks on Israeli soldiers as terrorism.
Very decent and very smart of Jared Kushner to begin his visit in Israel with a stop at the shiva house of the family of Hadas Malka z"l. https://t.co/9Ec4sOuWTS
— Dan Shapiro (@DanielBShapiro) June 21, 2017
While Israeli officials and reporters routinely refer to all Palestinian attacks against members of their security forces as terrorism — and Americans have followed suit — the political philosopher Michael Walzer has argued that it is important to distinguish that sort of violence from the attacks on civilians.
“Terrorism is the deliberate killing of innocent people, at random, in order to spread fear through a whole population and force the hand of its political leaders,” Walzer wrote in 2002. “The common element is the targeting of people who are, in both military and political senses, noncombatants: not soldiers, not public officials, just ordinary people. And they aren’t killed incidentally in the course of actions aimed elsewhere; they are killed intentionally.”
“I don’t accept the notion that ‘one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter,'” Walzer wrote. “In the 1960s, when someone from the FLN put a bomb in a cafe where French teenagers gathered to flirt and dance and called himself a freedom fighter, only fools were fooled,” he added, in reference to excuses once made for terror attacks aimed at French civilians by Algerian militants.
In an interview in 2006, Walzer was asked if it was ever possible for attacks on soldiers to be acts of terrorism. He answered:
My instinct is to say that attacks on soldiers are not terrorist attacks. That does not make them right, terrorism is not the only negative moral term in our vocabulary. I did not think that the plane that flew into the Pentagon in 2001 was a terrorist attack or, better said, it was a terrorist attack only because the people in the plane were innocent civilians who were being used and murdered. But if you imagine an attack on the Pentagon without those innocent people in the plane, that would not have been a terrorist attack — whereas the attack on the Twin Towers was terroristic.
I feel the same way in the Israeli cases: Whatever you want to say about Palestinian resistance to the occupation, there is a difference between attacking soldiers and killing civilians, and it is an important moral difference.
Of course it is not only in reference to violence against Israelis that American officials now routinely misuse the word “terrorism.” The term has also been incorrectly used to describe actual or planned attacks on U.S. troops fighting the “war on terrorism” in Iraq. That was made clear in 2013, when the Justice Department announced the successful prosecution of two Iraqi citizens living in Bowling Green, Kentucky, on federal terrorism charges, for attempting “to send weapons and money to Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) for the purpose of killing U.S. soldiers.”
The two men, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi and Waad Ramadan Alwan, had “participated in terrorist activities overseas and attempted to continue providing material support to terrorists while they lived here in the United States,” Lisa Monaco, the assistant attorney general for national security, said at the time.
“These are experienced terrorists who willingly and enthusiastically participated in what they believed were insurgent support operations designed to harm American soldiers in Iraq,” David Hale, the U.S. attorney on the case, said after the men were convicted.
“Protecting the United States from terrorist attacks remains the FBI’s top priority,” Perrye Turner, special agent in charge of the FBI Louisville Division, added.
However, a closer look at the charges against the two men reveals that their “terrorist activities overseas” consisted of using explosives and sniper rifles “to target U.S. forces” during the American occupation of their home country between 2003 and 2006. While American officials obviously had the right to prosecute men living in the U.S. who plotted to kill American soldiers, Iraqi insurgents who resisted the U.S. invasion by force were clearly not attacking noncombatants.
Rather than being, as it might seem, a narrow issue of semantics, the description of Hadas Malka’s killer as a terrorist reveals a profound confusion over the question of what role Israeli soldiers and the paramilitary border police play in enforcing the occupation of areas seized by Israel during the 1967 war. Although Israel claims that Jerusalem is not occupied, its annexation of the city’s Palestinian neighborhoods after the war is not recognized by other nations, including the United States.
As an occupying power, Israel is not entitled under international law to colonize the territory it seized in battle — as it has done in the West Bank and East Jerusalem by facilitating Jewish-only settlements, including those Jared Kushner’s family foundation has helped to support financially.
When U.S. officials like Kushner treat violence against Israeli officers maintaining an armed occupation as a terrorist outrage, they surrender entirely to Israel’s view of the conflict as one in which its use of force is legitimate and any attack on its security forces is terrorism. By ignoring the fact that Malka was an armed combatant killed in an occupied territory, Donald Trump’s son-in-law also accepted Israel’s claim that the status of Jerusalem is no longer up for negotiation, just because it was conquered by force of arms five decades ago.
Top photo: Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with Jared Kushner in Jerusalem, Israel on June 21, 2017.
Historians including Jewish historians & now DNA studies show that the 20th century colonists of Palestine (the Ashkenazi) are not descended from Semites but from Europeans who converted to Judaism in the Roman Empire era + the Khazars who converted from paganism c750 CE. eg.
1/ “Historian & Israeli former minister of Education Ben-Zion Denur called Khazaria the mother of one of the greatest Diasporas-of Israel in Russia, Lithuania & Poland”
2/ Abraham Polak, founder of Univ of Tel Aviv`s dept`t of Mid East History wrote that it was an unlikely thesis that the Jews in the Khazarian kingdom originated in Israel/ Palestine ie. they had no Abrahamic descent.
3. Ben Gurion wrote that there was no exile after the Romans put down the revolts of the 1st & 2nd centuries & that most of the Jews converted to Islam in the 7th century to avoid paying the tax on all non-Muslims.
4/ A 2013 genetic study found: “Ashkenazi Jews do not stem from Hebrews” http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf. ie They are not from the Near East while of course the Mizrachi Jews & Palestinians are both Semitic peoples.
5/ Jewish historian Josephus wrote that prior to the revolt of 66-70 CE, 6 million Jews lived in the Roman Empire outside Israel & only 500K lived inside. He lived thru the revolt of 70 CE.
6/ A 2013 study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA by a team at the University of Huddersfield estimated that 80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe, and only 8 percent from the Near East, while the origin of the remainder is undetermined. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/science/ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-european-women-study-finds.html?ref=global-home
The only tie to Palestine the Ashkenazi have is their adopted religion. Palestine belongs to its indigenous people NOT the 20th century colonists from Europe.
The rational world sees and understands who are the foreigners , colonists , land stealers , ethnic cleansers & brutal occupiers vs who are the indigenous people of Palestine who have been forced from their land or live gasping for life & freedom under the Zionist boot. (425 villages+12 urban centers were ethnically cleansed in 1948 alone, forcing 750K Pal`s from THEIR land to become refugees.) After the 1967 war Israel expelled ~260K Palestinians from the West Bank + 80K Syrians from the Golan.
The indigenous people of Palestine had nothing to do with the Holocaust yet via a rigged UN resolution #181 they have been made to pay for it. UN res. #181 passed by the bare minimum of votes needed (33). Historians record that many of these votes were obtained by coercion. Eg. Haiti`s vote (yes Haiti had a vote) was purchased by a loan. Liberia`s vote was obtained by threatening an embargo on it`s only export product (natural rubber). US Pres. Truman wrote in his memoirs that never before or after did the US & all of the UN nations experience so much pressure to vote for the partitioning of Palestine resolution. If UN Res 181 came up for re-ratification today it would fail miserably and rightly so based on all the atrocities and transgressions that the Zionist colonists have perpetrated on the indigenous people of Palestine.
There is no such place as East Jerusalem. It does not and never has existed. There is one city, and it is named Jerusalem.
Thank you for this great article, and especially the piece explaining the important definition of “terrorism”.
As a Jew, I am sad to see that the current government of Israel and the United States appear to be fascists of the sort that Israel was originally founded to protect Jews against. Yes, land was taken from others to do this, and this must be recognized, but a permanent home was necessary and this must be recognized too. But all you hear from the current Israeli right-wing government is stories like this about how everything a Muslim does is “terrorism”, but everything the Israeli government does is “Israel’s right to defend itself”. Every time I have tried to debate this with older generation of my family I am met with the same attitude. I was at Synagogue around when Yasser Arafat (former Palestinian leader) died, and the rabbi asked us what we thought of it, and one woman said “Good riddance” and this was met by widespread agreement in the mostly older circle there. I was only 12 but I was disgusted by the disregard for human life no matter their opinion of the man. Every legitimate question about the border expansion in 1967 is met with some form of accusation that you are threatening “Israel’s right to exist”. Maybe these older generations were closer to the horrors that happened in and before the war but it has clouded their judgment and it is dangerous that they are now leaning towards fascism themselves.
Over and over what you see here is not race against race, that is what they would have you believe that everything is all part of a racial conflict, that it is “us vs them”. They foster and encourage hatred and divisiveness. Divide and conquer is the strategy.
The death of this woman was a tragedy in the way that this is a senseless ongoing conflict where people like herself are being used by these vile, scum politicians and leaders (on both sides) for their own ends and then turned into a poster child for exactly why the other side is “evil”, why we need MORE racial bigotry not less, and more young men and women need to be sacrificed to keep the powerful in power. Extreme right wing politicians draw their power from fear, and it is quite probable that without an ever-present “threat” from the other nation, people like Netanyahu, actual terrorist (proper definition) leaders in Palestine, and Trump will simply disappear. They don’t want to disappear, because they are maniacs with enormous egos, so they lie and cheat and dehumanize the “other” to maintain their power, no matter how many people are killed in the process. They don’t care.
These inhumane creatures starting with Netanyahu and the militant leaders/organizers of the actual “terrorist” (proper definition) attacks against Israelis should be marched out to the front lines and given weapons and ordered to fight to the death, so they can experience the consequences of their hate-mongering actions first hand, instead of hiding behind the power of the government, like the cowards that they are. Thinking of this reminds me of the way Nazi war criminals were said to have cried like babies at their trial when they were sentenced to death, despite commanding, orchestrating and conducting countless killings themselves. No, those lives weren’t meaningful, only theirs and perhaps their children’s is. They had impunity when they did the killings, so it didn’t matter to them.
Your post is passionate and humane. It’s nice to see the younger generation grasping a fuller picture of Israel.
But I have to ask about the often repeated assertion that “the Jews needed a homeland”. If the world were such a hostile place for Jews, why have 2/3 of them chosen to live outside of Israel?
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning!!
And a short memo the US government; the American people have gotten sick and tired of US aid, both financial and military, “never being enough” for this wretchedly apartheid, self-declared theocracy with nuclear weapons which is what Israel has become in the 21st century.
As you are aware (or should be aware) all aid to Israel is completely illegal under the Symington Amendment, which prohibits any aid from going to a nuclear armed country which refuses to become signatory to the NNPT, and refuses to have its nuclear facilities inspected.
Israel comes in at a big fat zero-compliance on both issues, so what is the deal here, please?!?
The victim card has been played once too often by an Israeli government which spits in the face of US officials, and tells them it’s raining.
And did I mention serial genocide against the Palestinians, coupled with brisk annexations of property in the West Bank and East Jerusalem? The Israeli government will not listen to anything approaching a two state solution; it wants territory, and to get rid of as many Palestinians as it thinks it can, and by any means necessary.
It is high time for all US aid, both military and financial, to stop now, because this is the only language the Israeli government understands.
No more wars for the crap hole state of Israel. And, that is PRECISELY what this greasy neocon obsession to drag the US military into Syria is all about.
No more wars FOR ISRAEL. Instead, Let’s wage war ON ISRAEL and wipe these evil snakes off the face of the planet.
Your Israel-hating, Zionist-hating rant was just revealed as a Jew-hating tirade by your last sentence, parroting an organized hatred of Jews that has been infecting this world since before my birth in 1947.
It reveals you for what you are.
Interesting piece about manufacturing on occupied land, by the same Robert Mackey.
Know who and what to spend your money on!
When money talks …the money wins over charities.
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If that doesn’t work check Scarlett Johanssen Soda Steam and Oxfam on your preferred search engine.
Please check David’s post to GilG, which begins with “Stone Cold Justice” .
There are several other links that are outstanding and revealing.
The comment is excellent and as always, well sourced.
Check David’s excellent fact based posts in ‘latest’, if they haven’t posted.
Heartbreaking reports on the torture of Palestinian children.
I recommend to you to keep an eye on the outright lies the zionist, lying hasbara troll, Jack green, tells.
The crap this zionist writes is unbelievable.
Prove it!
Thank you and I agree..it’s pointless, aside from wondering if he or Gil will stroke out as they get more and more outraged!!
Instead of wondering about that Grace you should wonder why so much of what you post gets exposed as falsehood and lies. Why is that? You should also wonder about why you believe some lives are more important than others and why you think babies being killed are only important for political reasons and why the WTC murders were so funny.
It is a waste of time to argue with those who continue to spew the same fallacy about Israeli occupation over and over again. ALL of Mandate Palestine , including current day Jordan was allocated by the League of Nations after WW1 to become a Jewish State. The majority of world leaders and powers at that time believed that this was fair and just , after allocating the vast majority of the land of the middle east as Arab states. Mandate Palestine includes Judea and Samaria , the ancient heartland of Israel , which only in 1967 was renamed ‘ the west bank’ . Jews have continued to live in Israel since the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in 72 AD till they returned in the 1800’s in mass to rebuild their state. Sure Arabs were living there , but they NEVER created a nation and a unique people there that was any different then the millions of Arabs all over the Middle East . The “arabs” themselves are a nation . Thats why today ALL of the Arab states created after WW1 are falling apart and in civil war. They do not see themselves as Iraqi, or Syrian , Or Saudi . They are all ARABS, and their loyalty is to their religious sect ( Sunni or Shia) . Hatred of the Jews has been ongoing for 2000 years . It is not a rational hatred , so its impossible to reason with those that harbor it. In times past it was fashionable to outright despise Jews. Today its politically incorrect , so the haters hide behind the immoral Israel that is a occupier lie . The author, and all those who perpetuate these lies are not doing the world we live in any good. The Jews , and Israel now are strong. They have nuclear weapons. The next time Israel and the Jews are threatened , they will not go like sheep to the slaughter as during the Nazi holocaust . They will fight back , and the ENTIRE world will go up in flames before the Jews and Israel fall again . They will take you all with them . So i would speak the truth , let Israel be , and find someone else to spew your jealousy and hatred on .
That’s some good PR for Israel …
Particularly, this bit, Israel is strong and has nuclear weapons and if they are ever threatened the ENTIRE world will go up in flames before the Jews or Israel fall again.
How lovely…that you for improving how I see the parasitic state of IS.
LOL
Blast auto correct…
How lovely …thank you for improving…
Is it true that some of the Palestinians’ ancestors were Jewish?
If so, do they have the right to that land?
Repost to dispel the prevalence of “alternative facts”, pejorative name calling, and other nonsensical distractions.
Thank you Robert Mackey for an excellent article; and David for your insistence on historical honesty and veracity.
As Usual,
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Evidence that Palestinian Arabs privately owned 48% of the land?
Most of the land for the Jews was desert (the Negev), no rain, nothing grows.
Most of the Palestinian refugees became refugees because of the war, not because they were expelled.
The day after the UN Partition Resolution in November 1947, some racist, xenophobic Palestinians started a genocidal war to exterminate the Jews. Haj Amin el-Husseini – “I declare a holy war, my Muslim brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!”
The war started with Palestinians attacking a Jewish bus driving on the Coastal Plain near Kfar Sirkin killing five and wounding others. Half an hour later they ambushed a second bus, southbound from Hadera, killing two more. Arab snipers attacked Jewish buses in Jerusalem and Haifa.[19]
Wars create refugees!
The Arabs ethnically cleansed the West Bank, Gaza & East Jerusalem of EVERY Jew. Israel could have done the same to the Arabs in Israel, but it didn’t. There are 1.6 million Arabs living in Israel today.
Here is a photographic review of the Palestinian’s in a land WITH people.
Where is the proof that 48% of the total land area of mandated Palestine was privately owned (‘mulk khaas’) by Palestinian Arabs?
How to respond to Hasbara, when they now claim people aren’t starving in Gaza, in fact, due to genourous Israel distributions, the people of Gaza have an obesity problem.
Lmao… Goebbel’s couldn’t do better.
Gaza has one of the highest obesity rate in the world
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=238_1406451164#M1eTYG7HSuReApFL.99
==BACK TO THE FUTURE, WITH A TWIST== During the Clinton administration, Aaron David Miller “saw Bibi a kind of speed bump that would have to be negotiated along the way until a new Israeli prime minister came along who was more serious about peace. In the words of Miller’s boss, Dennis Ross, ‘neither President Clinton nor Secretary Albright believed that Bibi had any real interest in pursuing peace.’ But every time the Clinton administration tried to drag Netanyahu in the direction of a viable Palestinian state, Netanyahu rallied American Jewish groups and conservative Republicans to his defense.” Netanyahu has remained consistent in his vision. “In 2005, he resigned as Sharon’s finance minister to protest Israel’s dismantling of settlements in Gaza.” H/t https://detailedpoliticalquizzes.wordpress.com/hamas-quiz/
The writer is the one taking sides — with the genocidal “Palestinian” terrorist movement. This is a religious war to wipe out anyone not Sunni Muslim, Jews are one small piece of it.
The same ethnic cleansing it taking place all over the Middle East . Lebanon and Turkey used to be Christian. Egypt’s Christians are being massacred. 1 million Jews were driven out of the entire Middle East over the past century.
If you do not recognize the global jihad taking place, then you are appeasing it.
The “Lucid” part is a joke……right?
Poor Jesus to have been born in Jerusalem, but I guess Zionists pushing the descendants of the original Christians count in your revision of history.
The original Christians were all Jews and the only ones who want to remove their descendants from Jerusalem is you and your friends.
The article spends its time defining terrorism and very little on what causes terrorism. The conclusion is that the Palestinians are insane, not that, correctly, Israel is a colonialist power with ambitions to control the region. Colonialism means to subjugate people into a status of being a non-people. Colonialism, financed by powerful US pro-Israelis, is a horrific system that exploits people and resources to fatten itself, and to do that it must invade and bomb and destroy lives and cities and resources. The only answer is to fight back, and the colonial power calls that “terrorism”.
It’s the Palestinians who say “From the River to the Sea.”
It’s the Palestinians who are expansionist!
“It’s the Palestinians who are expansionist!”
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Yeah, they need to be stopped immediately before they steal more land. They have already taken soooooo much land! I mean, it’s yuuuuuge!
The Palestinians chant “From the River to the Sea.” which means no more Israel because Israel is between the River & the Sea.
Please explain what the blue stripe represents at the top and bottom border of the Israeli flag??!
I know you know, but doubt you want to say!
And still…I don’t have to call you names.
The blue stripes are intended to symbolize the stripes on a tallit, the traditional Jewish prayer shawl.
I didn’t know, so I looked it up. Why wouldn’t I want to say what they represent?
What’s this about calling me names?
I’ve had many instances of people pointing to those stripes, with pride, saying they represent The Nile to the Euphrates.
When I looked it up, all these years later, it is said, by a “bot” on Wikipedia that that is a “conspiracy theory”.
Clearly, Israel has continued to expand.
It may have been Gil that could not stop the name calling.
The goal of Zionism is a majority-Jewish country. Expanding brings in non-Jews which is the opposite of Zionism.
@Jack Green
It’s the leaders of Israel who say “From the Sea to the River Jordan and far beyond.”
Please provide a link showing Netanyahu saying that.
Why were Palestinians terrorizing Jews in the nineteenth century?
Uri Avnery’s latest column seems appropriate for this thread:
“The Four-Letter Word”, at http://uriavnery.com/en/hatur.html
Excerpt:
As usual, a beautiful post.
While he is there, do you think he might be cutting a deal to invest in the new settlement Israel is constructing? Or, perhaps, getting a cut of the deal without making an investment?
Which forces shot Tristen Anderson in the head with a tear gas canister?
Another American that had the audacity of of being a peace activist.
Does it matter if an SS officer shot someone, maybe a dissident or a Jew, or another armed patrol.
Same thing applies for Israel.
Who killed these Americans Grace? And how come you don’t know any of their names? Do you care about only some innocent America lives or only the ones that are politically expedient for you to “care” about?
Taylor Allen Force, 29 years old, was stabbed to death on March 8th 2016 amid a Palestinian terror rampage. Taylor and his group were walking down the seaside promenade in Jaffa when a terrorist began stabbing anyone within reach. Besides Taylor, the terrorist also stabbed 11 others. The Palestinian terrorist, Bashar Massalha, 22 year-old, was shot dead by police after a chase.
2. Richard Leikin, 76 years old, was shot in the head and stabbed in the chest in the attack in the neighborhood of Armon Hanatziv in Jerusalem on October 13th 2015 and died two weeks later from his severe injuries. One of the terrorists, Baha Alyan was shot dead by police. The other one, Bilal Abu Ghanem, from Jabel Mukaber, (neighborhood in East Jerusalem) was sentenced to three consecutive life sentences and an additional 60 years in prison.
3. Ezra Schwartz, an 18-year-old from Sharon, Massachusetts, was on a gap year in an Israeli yeshiva. He was one of three victims killed in a terrorist attack at the Gush Etzion junction in the West Bank on November 19th 2015. The terrorist, Muhammad Haruv from a village near Hebron was sentenced to four life prison terms.
4. Gilad Shaer, 16 years old, was one of the three teenagers who were kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists from the bus stop near Alon Shvut in Gush Etzion. The kidnappers, Marwan Qawasmeh and Amar Abu Aysha were killed on September 23rd 2014 in a military operation in Hebron.
5. Haya Zissel-Brown, A three-month-old baby, was killed and seven other people were wounded when a Palestinian drove his car into a light rail train station near Ammunition Hill in Jerusalem on October 22nd 2014. The terrorist, Abdel Rahman Al-Shaludi, a Palestinian resident of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan, was shot by police and died from his wounds at the hospital.
6. Christine Logan, 45 years old, was on a hike in the Beit Shemesh area, southwest of Jerusalem, on December 18th 2010, when two terrorists, Kifah Ghanimat and Ibrahim Ghanimat, residents of the Hebron area, stabbed her and another woman. Kifah Ghanimat, the leader of a Palestinian terror cell of four members, was sentenced to two life sentences and 60 years in prison and Ibrahim Ghanimat received a life sentence and 16 additional years in prison.
7. Daniel Waltz, 16 years old, was severely injured on April 17th 2006 when a Palestinian suicide bomber, Sami Abdel Hafiz Antar from Nablus, approached a crowded restaurant near the old Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv. Daniel, who was visiting Israel with his parents, died at Ichilov hospital in Tel Aviv, almost a month after the attack.
8. Shmuel Taubenfeld, three months, of New Square, New York, and his mother, Goldie Taubenfeld, 43, were two of 23 persons murdered by a suicide bomber, Raad Misk, on a No. 2 Egged bus in the capital’s Shmuel Hanavi neighborhood on August 19th 2003.
9. Steve Averbach, 44, died on June 3, 2010, succumbing to injuries suffered in the May 18th 2003 suicide bus bombing in Jerusalem.
10. Marla Bennett, 24, of California (USA);
11. Benjamin Blutstein, 25, of Pennsylvania (USA);
12. Janis Ruth Coulter, 36, of New York (USA);
13. Dina Carter, 37, of Jerusalem (USA);
14. David Gritz, 24, of Massachusetts (USA-France);
Were all killed at The Hebrew University Massacre on 31 July 2002 in a cafeteria at the Mount Scopus campus of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. 9 people were killed in the attack, including 5 American students.
The terrorists who carried out the massacre were Wisam Al-Abbasi, sentenced to 26 life sentences and another 40 years, Muhammad Ouda, who laid the bomb and who was sentenced to 9 life sentences and another 40 years and Alaa Al-Din Al-Abbasi, who was sentenced to 60 years in prison.
15. Shoshana Yehudit (Judy) Greenbaum, 31, (5 months pregnant), from New Jersey, was killed at the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing in downtown Jerusalem on August 9th 2001, in which 15 civilians were killed, including 7 children.
You are an occupying force in Palestine.
You invite and promote people under A Homeland Visit or look how great we are, don’t worry when you go enjoy the beach there my be some Palestinian blood oozing up from the sands, ignore the facts that Christian’s and Muslim’s have their cars tagged so they may not drive on the same roads. Those roads are only for the occupiers living in settlements, subsidized, mind you, to help draw settlers/occupiers.
You don’t expect blowback …resistance..that is just absurdly..all humans would fight back.
Do I care.. I always care when someone loses a life..but I care more for those that are courageous enough to take a stand for peace.
Btw…explain why all the wars you have strongly supported in the M.E., your forces aren’t there, except in some self serving corrupt way…yet you expect American’s and the West to fight and die for your goals?
You’re bloody spineless…and just another bump in the road.
As I explained to you before Grace, I am an American. I have not supported any wars. As you do on a repeated basis you again just make up shit that suits your narritive. Now answer my questions in my post, how come you didnt know any of those names of dead Americans? How come you are making excuses for theit murders now?
Did you support Operation Cast Lead??
Have you trained with IDF?
Do you support settlements?
What about Bethlehem…you support that wall that separates farmer’s from their land and water supplies?
Do you support women giving birth at checkpoints, having waited all day to get through?
Do you think Jerusalem is the Holy Land for THREE faiths and is an historic city that should not be taken apart or “cleansed” for Israel’s desire to be a Jewish State?
Do you think we owe Israel anything?
I told you , I have not supported any wars. Why did you say I did ? Why do you continue to tell lies about me even after being corrected? Why do you ignore the questions I ask you?
You once again display your ignorance about history. Jerusalem was taken apart when Jordan took over half of it in 1948 and ethnically cleansed the Jews. Arabs continued to live in the part of Jerusalem controlled by Israel. Not one Jew was allowed to stay in the part by Jordan.
Grace why is it you get so many facts wrong? Why do you tell lies about posters. Why do you pretend to care about humanity yet yet admitted you care more about some lives than others?
Why were you sarcastically dismissive about a babys death?
Answer the questions Gil, or is name calling all you have????
You don’t expect blowback …resistance..that is just absurdly..all humans would fight back.
* that is just absurdly simple minded…
Yeah, not surprised to hear you value some lives more than others Grace. Nazis always feel that way.
Wow …you’re throwing rocks from a glass house!
So your an American, why the defensiveness about Israel??
What glass house do I live in. Where have I written that i think some lives are more valuable than others Grace? This is just one more lie told by you.
One of the most odious things Nazis did was to move Jews out of their homes..and move right in playing with children’s toys, gazing at their art, eating of their china.
That was so cold.
Yet, Israel may bulldoze Palestinian homes and towns, they have no problem moving right in.
In my eyes..there’s little difference.
Thankfully, through many people’s eyes.
Why is it that only zionists believe their own lies.
Please tell me……… what right did England have to give the zionist pigs someone else’s land ?
They do believe their own bs..and do all they can to sabotage any government that doesn’t lap it up.
Yeah, what did give England the right..the Balfour Agreement and the wealthy Zionist movement …think Rothchilds!!!
Thats pretty funny. You can not point to any lies I have told yet I have exposed Grace’s lies multiple times. Why is that?
Not only did England NOT give Zionists someone else’s land, but England refused to sell any land to Zionists.
You are nothing more than an outright liar.
Zionist liars always have to resort to lies. It’s almost not worth responding to your outright lies. Except for that someone might actually believe you.
Prove it!
Palestinians were murdering Jews before settlements, before occupation, before Israel, before the first Zionist arrived.
The Israeli military said that on the day Mr Anderson was shot, some 400 rioters, “some masked”, had thrown “a massive number of rocks” at their forces. They said protesters had thrown firebombs, and directed burning tyres towards the forces, and that 73 personnel were injured in 2008 at or near Ni’lin. A spokesman said: “The violent acts of the protesters force Israeli police officers and soldiers to use internationally acceptable riot dispersal means.”
” The Israeli military said”…
More nonsense…like we hate you for making us kill your babies..
All Goebbel’s speak, you so well perfected.
Prove it!
Please keep your bullshyt lies to your zionist friends and for the media to pump out for you as propaganda.
You are land stealing, murdering, lying, thieves whose motto is “nothing is ever enough, we can always take more ”
It is staggering that the American people haven’t revolted yet considering how much of their money, blood and lives, zionists are happy to take.
Prove it!
Hadas Malka served in border police.
She was attacked from behind on Sultan Suleiman street near Damascus gate inside Israel.
Border police patrol on the border not the other side.
Robert Mackey please correct your report.
Nonsense, label her however you like, she was there to enforce the occupation of Palestine.
How many of these “border police patrols” have shot and killed Palestinian children for merely throwing rocks.
“How many of these “border police patrols” have shot and killed Palestinian children for merely throwing rocks.”
How many civilians were targeted and killed by those rocks?
I don’t know…how many civilians have been killed by rocks thrown by Palestinian children? Please name your source.
Why do I have a funny feeling it’s zero?
Israeli four-year-old Adele Biton had been seriously injured when she was hit by a stone thrown by a Palestinian youth. The girl later died.
“In 2001 a five-month-old baby named Yehuda Shoham was killed when a rock thrown by Palestinian assailants smashed through the windscreen of the car his father was driving, crushing his skull.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/rock-throwing-palestinians-have-killed-israeli-children-embassy-tells-labour-mp-1.57361
Oh …heartbreaking..like that compares to the starvation and deprivation your blockade of Gaza causes, malnutrition and death for those children.
You are so amazingly full of shit Grace, above you claimed “Do I care.. I always care when someone loses a life..but I care more for those that are courageous enough to take a stand for peace.”
Yet here you are discounting the muder of a baby and being sarcastic about it to boot. How pathetic you are.
Really?
Starvation?
BTW, obesity is a major problem in Gaza.
Israel delivers 800 truckloads of food & supplies to Gaza every day.
Egypt blocks Gaza, but doesn’t deliver anything.
So why are you blaming Israel, but not Egypt?
Because we don’t expect any Muslim country to sit on a high moral plane and be light unto other nations in terms of peace, high ethical values, justice, equality, not doing to others what we don’t want done unto us, love, forgiveness, lack of desire for power and control, selflessness, self-sacrifice, etc.
Why don’t we expect any Muslim country to sit on a high moral plane and be light unto other nations in terms of peace, high ethical values, justice, equality, not doing to others what we don’t want done unto us, love, forgiveness, lack of desire for power and control, selflessness, self-sacrifice, etc? Is this the bigotry of low expectations?
Because Israel intercepts all aid going into Israel.
The Raffa crossing is because Sisi kept the agreement to keep it closed and secure the Sinai.
Actually, that post is so absurd. The world watched you turn aid flotilla’s away…storm and kill those sailing under the Turkish flag. It hasn’t stopped, there is little medicine, water or supplies to rebuild Gaza.
Gazan’s can not fish their own waters except for wading distance of the coast.
And families can not safely enjoy the one thing they had…a day at the beach, without fearing another crazed IDF will shoot them all.
Seriously…you guys need better training for hasbara mission.
Why does no one blame Sisi for closing the border, but only blame Israel?
I saw the video. People on the ship attacked the Israelis who were coming down the ropes.
Gazans use their supplies for building tunnels & rockets to murder Israelis instead of rebuilding Gaza.
If Gazans wouldn’t have been firing rockets killings or wounding 2,000 Israelis, there wouldn’t have been any IDF there.
How handy that the baby died, what better to continue the manipulation of the UK, through the House of Commons.
I doubt that got anywhere with Sir Gerald Kaufman, MP, who may have been Jewish but didn’t support Israeli nonsense.
a disgusting comment by a disgusting person. how could you expect anyone to believe you have any humanity after a comment like that Grace.
What “Israeli nonsense?”
Asher and Yonatan Palmer for 2.
Feel free to google the names for multiple sources.
“Merely throwing rocks!”
Rocks can kill!
Rocks can injure!
Not quite like bullets can.
Why are settlers required to be armed..because of rocks??
If you do the calculations on the ballistics, on the stopping power of the rock fired from David’s sling, it’s roughly equal to the stopping power of a [.45 caliber] handgun.
http://www.businessinsider.com/misinterpretations-of-david-and-goliath-2014-5
Look at you people. All of you are arguing over racial bullshit. Who cares who threw this rock, fired this bullet or launched this bomb. All of it is killing people. Anyone who has empathy for living things should recognize this all as a thing to be stopped and resisted, not by killing an equal number of people from the “other side”, but by working towards real criminal justice that is equal for all. You can’t make other people stop being racist, but you can stop being it yourself and that will mean something. Gandhi said “it is very insignificant what you can do, but you must do it anyway”. This includes everyone in this ongoing “turd” of a thread.
Thank you for deleting my response to “Rachel”. It was in Latest…then vanished.
I don’t recall such concern about the murder of Rachel Corrie by a Jewish soldier using a bulldozer. Didn’t hear anyone talk about “what if she was your daughter or sister”- she was 23 and standing in front of a Palestinian family’s home about to be crushed by the occupying forces.
Every life is important and sacred.
If you kill one person unjustly you kill all humanity, for our essence is the same.
Rachel Corrie will always be remembered, no matter how much AIPAC and other groups want to erase her name from history.
She was a beautiful and brave human being standing in front of the Palestinian doctor’s home, whose family she had grown close to.
Regardless of her being an American, the IDF soldier on his Catepillar bulldozer, crushed her.
I’m glad you brought her up.
Couldn’t have said it any better myself Grace.
Great comment.
Of course you couldn’t your as dumb as she is.
Imagine you are asked to watch a short video (above) in which six people-three in white shirts and three in black shirts-pass basketballs around. While you watch, you must keep a silent count of the number of passes made by the people in white shirts. At some point, a gorilla strolls into the middle of the action, faces the camera and thumps its chest, and then leaves, spending nine seconds on screen. Would you see the gorilla?
Almost everyone has the intuition that the answer is “yes, of course I would.” How could something so obvious go completely unnoticed? But when we did this experiment at Harvard University several years ago, we found that half of the people who watched the video and counted the passes missed the gorilla. It was as though the gorilla was invisible.
http://www.theinvisiblegorilla.com/gorilla_experiment.html
Funny how the zionist, propaganda-controlling, mass murdering, crimes against humanity, scum, always get to dictate the narrative in the western media.
Watch a documentary called…… “the occupation of the American mind”
Concern by whom? Rachel Corrie’s name is by far more well known than any of these Americans killed by Palestinian terrorists since 2001. Is there a play about any of the people on this list? Can you honestly say you knew the name of any of the Americans on this list. I’d be will to bet Rachel Corrie’s death received a 1000 times more press than the 15 people on this list.
1) Taylor Allen Force, 29 years old, was stabbed to death on March 8th 2016 amid a Palestinian terror rampage. Taylor and his group were walking down the seaside promenade in Jaffa when a terrorist began stabbing anyone within reach. Besides Taylor, the terrorist also stabbed 11 others. The Palestinian terrorist, Bashar Massalha, 22 year-old, was shot dead by police after a chase.
2. Richard Leikin, 76 years old, was shot in the head and stabbed in the chest in the attack in the neighborhood of Armon Hanatziv in Jerusalem on October 13th 2015 and died two weeks later from his severe injuries. One of the terrorists, Baha Alyan was shot dead by police. The other one, Bilal Abu Ghanem, from Jabel Mukaber, (neighborhood in East Jerusalem) was sentenced to three consecutive life sentences and an additional 60 years in prison.
3. Ezra Schwartz, an 18-year-old from Sharon, Massachusetts, was on a gap year in an Israeli yeshiva. He was one of three victims killed in a terrorist attack at the Gush Etzion junction in the West Bank on November 19th 2015. The terrorist, Muhammad Haruv from a village near Hebron was sentenced to four life prison terms.
4. Gilad Shaer, 16 years old, was one of the three teenagers who were kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists from the bus stop near Alon Shvut in Gush Etzion. The kidnappers, Marwan Qawasmeh and Amar Abu Aysha were killed on September 23rd 2014 in a military operation in Hebron.
5. Haya Zissel-Brown, A three-month-old baby, was killed and seven other people were wounded when a Palestinian drove his car into a light rail train station near Ammunition Hill in Jerusalem on October 22nd 2014. The terrorist, Abdel Rahman Al-Shaludi, a Palestinian resident of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan, was shot by police and died from his wounds at the hospital.
6. Christine Logan, 45 years old, was on a hike in the Beit Shemesh area, southwest of Jerusalem, on December 18th 2010, when two terrorists, Kifah Ghanimat and Ibrahim Ghanimat, residents of the Hebron area, stabbed her and another woman. Kifah Ghanimat, the leader of a Palestinian terror cell of four members, was sentenced to two life sentences and 60 years in prison and Ibrahim Ghanimat received a life sentence and 16 additional years in prison.
7. Daniel Waltz, 16 years old, was severely injured on April 17th 2006 when a Palestinian suicide bomber, Sami Abdel Hafiz Antar from Nablus, approached a crowded restaurant near the old Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv. Daniel, who was visiting Israel with his parents, died at Ichilov hospital in Tel Aviv, almost a month after the attack.
8. Shmuel Taubenfeld, three months, of New Square, New York, and his mother, Goldie Taubenfeld, 43, were two of 23 persons murdered by a suicide bomber, Raad Misk, on a No. 2 Egged bus in the capital’s Shmuel Hanavi neighborhood on August 19th 2003.
9. Steve Averbach, 44, died on June 3, 2010, succumbing to injuries suffered in the May 18th 2003 suicide bus bombing in Jerusalem.
10. Marla Bennett, 24, of California (USA);
11. Benjamin Blutstein, 25, of Pennsylvania (USA);
12. Janis Ruth Coulter, 36, of New York (USA);
13. Dina Carter, 37, of Jerusalem (USA);
14. David Gritz, 24, of Massachusetts (USA-France);
Were all killed at The Hebrew University Massacre on 31 July 2002 in a cafeteria at the Mount Scopus campus of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. 9 people were killed in the attack, including 5 American students.
The terrorists who carried out the massacre were Wisam Al-Abbasi, sentenced to 26 life sentences and another 40 years, Muhammad Ouda, who laid the bomb and who was sentenced to 9 life sentences and another 40 years and Alaa Al-Din Al-Abbasi, who was sentenced to 60 years in prison.
15. Shoshana Yehudit (Judy) Greenbaum, 31, (5 months pregnant), from New Jersey, was killed at the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing in downtown Jerusalem on August 9th 2001, in which 15 civilians were killed, including 7 children.
Video: ‘Stone Cold Justice’ on Israel’s torture of Palestinian children
https://vimeo.com/86575949
A film produced by a group of Australian journalists has sparked an international outcry against Israel after it explicitly detailed Tel Aviv’s use of torture against Palestinian children.
The film, titled ‘Stone Cold Justice’ documents how Palestinian children, who have been arrested and detained by Israeli forces, are subjected to physical abuse, torture and forced into false confessions and pushed into gathering intelligence on Palestinian activists. Australia’s foreign minister Julie Bishop has spoken out against Israeli’s use of torture stating that “I am deeply concerned by allegations of the mistreatment of Palestinian children,” Israel’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor has described the human rights abuses documented in the film as “intolerable”. But rights groups have slammed this statement, saying that the Israelis are doing nothing to change Tel Aviv’s policy to torture Palestinian children.
Last year a report by the United Nations International Emergency Children’s Fund or UNICEF concluded that Palestinian children are often targeted in night arrests and raids of their homes, threatened with death and subjected to physical violence, solitary confinement and sexual assault. The film Stone Cold Justice has sparked an international outcry about Israel’s treatment of children in Israeli jails. However, rights groups have criticized Tel Aviv for not doing anything to create a policy that protects Palestinian children against arbitrary arrest and torture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uDPeeD_RPk
Precarious Childhood: Arrests of Jerusalemite Children
This film addresses the process of arrest, interrogation, and the policy of house arrest and their effects on children. The film provides accounts of children who were arrested in order to highlight a larger policy of persecution and targeting of Palestinian children in Jerusalem.
Re the Gaza Strip
Video:
http://obliteratedfamilies.com/en/story/shuheibar/
The International Committee of the Red Cross: “The whole of Gaza’s civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, ratified by Israel, bans collective punishment of a civilian population.”
“In practice, Gaza has become a huge, let me be blunt, concentration camp for right now 1, 800,000 people” – Amira Hass, 2015 correspondent for Haaretz, speaking at the Forum for Scholars and Publics at Duke University.
Eminent Jewish Israeli journalist Bradley Burston aptly sums up the horrors Israel inflicts on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem:
“Occupation is Slavery”
EXCERPT:
“In the name of occupation, generation after generation of Palestinians have been treated as property. They can be moved at will, shackled at will, tortured at will, have their families separated at will. They can be denied the right to vote, to own property, to meet or speak to family and friends. They can be hounded or even shot dead by their masters, who claim their position by biblical right, and also use them to build and work on the plantations the toilers cannot themselves ever hope to own. The masters dehumanize them, call them by the names of beasts.” (Haaretz, Feb. 26/13)
Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyUvxHLYr4
“Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)
In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)
“Construction, Not Destruction”
“While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)
One example of apartheid within Israel:
“Jewish town won’t let Arab build home on his own land ”
Excerpt: “Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. ‘Don’t waste your time,’ he reportedly told Suad. ‘We’ll keep you waiting for 30 years.’” (Haaretz, 14 December 2009)
To the best of my knowledge, Israel is the only country in the world that differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., “Israeli” nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court.
The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions (http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-DatabaseIsrael's) Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)
Our biggest mistake in the Middle East was the failed coup in Turkey. Not Israel, not anything else.
I think this coup plan somehow leaked out to the Russians, and they, to their immense advantage, informed Erdogan right in time to escape the coup. This is really what the FBI, CIA and NSA must investigate, and I suspect they are doing this secretly even though they are publicly saying that they are engaged in the non-existent Russian collusion with Trump campaign team.
The entire landscape in the Middle East has changed as a result of the failed coup. The Turkeys have switched sides quite dramatically. They are sitting pretty in Qatar and refusing to budge despite Saudi marching orders. The constant feed of money, militants, arms and vital supplies to ISIS in Syria has dried up, which is why they are now losing. This realignment would not have happened had the coup succeeded or did not take place at all. As a result, the Russians are the ones who are now calling the shots, and the Chinese rats are digging holes to make their entry for business, as always.
All this would not have happened had President Obama and his highly efficient team been awake and vigilant. They let highly secret plans and documents be pilfered by the Russians, one of which could have easily been the plan for the coup, assuming that Hillary, as the impending commander-in-chief, would have been kept abreast of such plans. On the other hand, General Flynn’s connection with the Thanksgiving birds are also highly suspicious on this count alone and not with the Trump campaign. In fact, there are a number of ways the secret could have leaked out to them, and presumably to the Fake News media who just happen to be privy to everything classified.
In retrospect, it took a lot of guts for Erdogan to accuse us of the coup attempt, and he did as much as conventional diplomacy and restraint allowed, so we know he found out more than he was willing to share publicly. As an astute politician he would never have made unsubstantiated accusations even in the heat of battle.
This realignment of the Turkeys is what is going to cost us dearly, not what this incorrigible bloke Mackey says about Israel. We now have a major NATO partner directly in league with our opposing interests, and, recently, in direct opposition with one of our richest and best Islamist friends. If the Turkeys and Saudis go to war over Qatar we are in a fix. Our NATO commitments would force us to support the Turkeys even if wanted to roast them for dinner. For all this chaos we must thank al-Obama.
The Saudis are in a fix. Their command to Assad to go went unheeded, thanks largely to the Brits who refused to bomb Syria when it mattered. Their ultimatum to Erdogan to march is likely to be ignored. At this rate, they may just abdicate. Or they may start a conflict, assured that they possess the off-the-shelf Paki nukes. Scary!
If this is not trouble then I daresay we are all idiots, along with Mackey who is the self-nominated commander-in-chief of the august gang.
Real and lasting peace does not come from political or military methods.
Real and lasting peace comes through spiritual awakening (aka by being on a high moral plane) by those who are in position of power, control and decision-making.
The I/P conflict provides a huge moral lesson for humanity, as people of insight can see how the human self displays the qualities of the lower self (aka consciousness) and its devastating effects on humanity.
I agree, with some reservations, about your higher self represented by the head, and the lower self represented by the toes. But what about the middle self? I think that is a problematic area. We need a holistic approach to solve this problem; otherwise, the various selves will get into mutual conflict.
It needs to align itself with the higher self.
It’s a journey.
Keep going to the higher.
Stay as far away from the lower and the higher will get closer and closer.
Simple formula: Dissolve your ego.
All selves are important, in my humble opinion. The lower self help you to stay grounded to the fake reality of the universe or else we would soon be extinct. The middle self helps to propagate that reality into the future. The higher self allows us to see the illusory nature of the universe, not all of us but some select people like you who are better conditioned to hallucinate. Overall, in a democratic process, all selves are important. Otherwise, our Mona will come around calling us bigots and racists, and we will have LSM (Lower Self Matters) groups creating worldwide chaos.
I like your motto – Keep going higher and higher … altius, altius, altius. Some of the pill companies can adopt this for their stupid campaigns.
The targeting of civilians by Israelis is already an established fact. The Dahiya doctrine or, Dahya doctrine, is a military strategy of asymmetric warfare, put forth by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot, which threatens the destruction of civilian infrastructure of hostile regimes to deter the use of that infrastructure by combatants and endorses the employment of “disproportionate power” to secure that end.
The 2009 United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict makes several references to the Dahiya doctrine, calling it a concept which requires the application of “widespread destruction as a means of deterrence” and which involves “the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations.”
That being established Israeli policy, the first bomb on civilian infrastructure in Gaza or Lebanon should call for the same to be applied to Israel under the same belligerent reprisal laws of International law, which would target Ben Gurion airport and the Tel Aviv Metropolitan area, thereby laying waste to the Israeli economy.
“… a study published by the United Nations showed “that the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza was by far the lowest in any asymmetric conflict in the history of warfare.”
Time to update those Hasbara talking points. Nobody believes your tired old shit.
Here’s the source. If you don’t believe it, take it up with the U.N. It’s their study.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
Did your Hasbara unit write that page up? It’s filled with just about enough stupid bullshit. Sell your horseshit somewhere else bud.
whitewash all you want. It doesn’t change the fact it was a disgusting, cowardly, murder. A grown man, snuck up behind a woman, and stabbed her in the back. That’s not resistance. It was a cowardly, sexists, murder by Muslim Extremists. Palestinians aren’t fighting for land. They justify their terrorism with the Koran. Gaza is under Sharia law through Hamass. Maybe if they put down the Koran, you could convince me and others that they’re freedom fighters trying to take back land. Until then, most people will see them for what they really are, cowardly Muslim terrorists who are trying to rid the the land of non Muslims and enforce Sharia law for the next calphate and allah.
I’m curious what you might call fly over sonic blasts to cause miscarriages of pregnant Palestinians.
It’s a joke what you trolls come up with.
Explain Bethlehem for me..who drove the Christians out?
Are you going to blame that on the Koran, too?
Whether or not you have any respect for a religion, other than your own Rachel, Israel has shown nothing but contempt for anything of historic worth. That makes you no better than IS.
Last thought…Israeli’s had a big time looting Iraq of their antiquities just before the invasion, then refused to return anything.
Read the Torah before you compare it to the Koran.
Yeah Banksy for the WalledOff Hotel in Jerusalem and yeah for BDS..
You will never win in the court of public opinion, that Israel wants to deem “anti semitic” any criticism of Israel regardless of it being factual.
Oppressed and occupied people fight back in anyway they can. You are the furthest thing from oppressed or occupied. It’s the crazy belief you’re “better than” that has caused any suffering of the Jews (that you love to exploit) and caused expulsion from many countries. But hey, the Muslim’s were there for you time and again.
Many are truly fed up with your nothing but trouble “country”.
One of the best comments i have read in a long time.
Absolutely sensational.
Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries.
In 1839, the British consul, William Young, said that the poor Jew in Jerusalem…lives from day to day in terror of his life….Young attributed the plight of the Jew in Jerusalem to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace,”
JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
New York Times December 29, 1878
Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.
Notice the date. This was before the first Zionists arrived in Palestine. Notice the word bigotry.
Jews had lived for centuries in Hebron & Gaza until they were ethnically cleansed from those areas in 1929.
During the week of riots from 23 to 29 August, 133 Jews were killed by Arabs and 339 others were injured,
and now Palestinians oppress Israelis
Running over Israelis is oppression.
Stabbing Israelis is oppression.
Shooting Israelis is oppression.
Firing rockets at Israelis is oppression.
Blowing up Israelis is oppression.
Throwing rocks at Israelis is oppression.
What family started the NYT’s ??
That tells you a lot about their interests in promoting the “poor Jews” narrative.
And once again Grace shows off her stupidity.
“The New York Times was founded as the New-York Daily Times on September 18, 1851, published by Raymond, Jones & Company (raising about $70,000); by journalist and politician Henry Jarvis Raymond (1820–69), then a Whig Party member and later second chairman of the newly organized Republican Party National Committee, and former banker George Jones. Some other early investors of the company were Edwin B. Morgan and Edward B. Wesley. Sold for a penny (equivalent to 29 cents today), the inaugural edition attempted to address various speculations on its purpose and positions that preceded its release:”
Please tell us how it was in these men’s interest to promote the “poor Jews” narritive Grace? My god you are one ignorant person Geace.
It became the NYTs when Adolphe Ochs bought out the NYDT’s.
His family’s support of Israel and the decisions to report Palestenian Christian or Muslim deaths, differently and with poor placement compared to the featured articles of the Jews.
The article you link to even calls the Christian Palestenians , “Oriental Christians” and uses the term “poor Jews”.
While Adolphe Ochs didn’t embrace Zionism and thought it would be bad for the those of the Jewish faith, Judaism, he did ultimately support it, as did his family and descendants.
As is abundantly clear and always has been in their choice to promote war they see as the greater good for Israel.
Ahmed Chalabi comes to mind as does the Iraqi Free Army (?) and the Syrian Free Army, the Syrian Defense Forces…and that’s just recently.
Have you ever seen mention of a Palestinian killed on the front page…even babies?
How many times have you seen Israelis on the front page?
Or how about the featured stories..actually tales, about “missiles fired from Gaza”?
You’d think they were Hellfires, or heat seeking missiles, but no…unguided projectiles, made of carborators and bottle rockets.
Back to the point..Adolphe Ochs fears about Zionism hurting people of the Jewish faith, were very prescient.
Too bad he didn’t stick with those core beliefs and had policies in place that had to with succession.
I don’t think we’d be seeing Brit Stephens there.
The Jews who started the NYT’s were so eager to prove that they were not biased that they have been somewhat anti-Jew & anti-Israel.
other than a slightly off-headline topical slant, mackey shows he’s capable of a decent article. and he’s correct about both the israelis and any military force stationed where it’s not wanted: it’s the height of whining entitlement (something kushner no doubt relates to as a simpering patrick bateman clone) for an occupying force to demand “safety” and “protection” from their “subjects”.
but then maybe that’s just the “chosen” mentality at work. reminds me of a joke i read somewhere years back…
an israeli mother is preparing her son to join the latest conflict against hamas or hezbollah and is giving him motherly advice:
“make sure you eat enough and get enough sleep! eat, sleep, then kill your enemy! eat more, sleep more, and then kill more enemies!”
“but mom – what if the enemy should kill me while i’m eating or sleeping?”
“my god! why on earth would anyone want to kill you!?!?!?”
dumb joke and i mangled it with paraphrasing but it makes the point.
Mackey is very clever.
It could be easily argued that the main purpose of this article is
to reinforce a democrat-favoring impression that Kushner is
an example of how the Trump administration is an aberration
when, in fact, what Kushner and Trump are doing is right in
line with long established democrat and republican actions.
Kushner is doing what the corporate owned juggernaut of
the faking U$A has been doing for decades. The difference is
that he isn’t lying about his intent and the liars of the past find
his display of open corruption to be unacceptable.
Mackey prefers better liars.
If Israel had not been attacked, there would not be an occupation.
@Jack Green
Reality:
The June 1967 War:
At 7:45 AM on 5 June 1967, Israel attacked Egypt and thereby, Jordan and Syria who each shared a mutual defense pact with Egypt. The attack took place just hours before Egypt’s VP Mohieddine was to fly to Washington for a prearranged June 7th meeting with the Johnson administration to defuse the crisis between Egypt and Israel based on an agreement worked out in Cairo between Nasser and Johnson’s envoy, Robert Anderson. In a cable sent to Johnson on May 30, Israel’s PM Eshkol promised not to attack Egypt until June 11 to give diplomacy a chance to succeed. However, on June 4, when it heard about the June 7th meeting and the distinct possibility that it would rule out war, Israel’s cabinet ordered its armed forces to attack Egypt the next day. In short, the war was another massive land grab by Israel.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin, former Minister without portfolio in PM Levi Eshkol’s cabinet, while addressing Israel’s National Defence College on 8 August 1982: “In June, 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” (New York Times, 21 August 1982)
Meir Amit, chief of Israel’s Mossad: “Egypt was not ready for a war and Nasser did not want a war.” (Dr. Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality)
Israeli Chief of Staff Rabin: “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Le Monde, 25 February, 1968)
Prime Minister Eshkol: “The Egyptian layout in the Sinai and the general military buildup there testified to a military defensive Egyptian set-up south of Israel.” (Yediot Aharonot, l8 October 1967)
Robert McNamara, U.S. Secretary of Defence: “Three separate intelligence groups had looked carefully into the matter [and] it was our best judgment that a UAR attack was not imminent.” (The Vantage Point, Lyndon Johnson, p. 293)
An article published in the New York Times (4 June 1967) just hours before Israel attacked notes that Major General Indar Jit Rikhye, Commander of UNEF in the Middle East, “who toured the Egyptian front, confirms that Egyptian troops were not poised for an offensive.”
On May 26, in reply to Israel’s Foreign Minister Abba Eban’s assertion that according to Israeli intelligence, “an Egyptian and Syrian attack is imminent,” Secretary of State Dean Rusk dismissed the claim and assured Eban that Israel faced no threat of attack from Egypt. On the same day, during a meeting at the Pentagon, Eban was also told by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and his aides that “…Egyptian forces were not in an aggressive posture and that Israel was not opening itself to peril by not attacking immediately. The contrary was true, Eban was told.” (Donald Neff, Warriors for Jerusalem, pp. 140-41)
BTW, as the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) Commander, Major General Idar Jit Rikhye, revealed, Nasser was not enforcing the blockade of the Tiran straits: “[The Egyptian] navy had searched a couple of ships after the establishment of the blockade and thereafter relaxed its implementation.” (Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality, p. 139)
Furthermore: According to Patrick Seale, highly regarded historian and journalist, Israel had been meticulously preparing for another war against the Arabs since its 1956 invasion of Egypt: “In the decade since the Suez campaign Israel had built up forces that could move fast and hit hard: mobile armoured units able to cover long distances, mechanized infantry, heliborne and naval paratroopers for use behind enemy lines, and above all an air force of Mirage and Super-Mystere interceptors and Mystere fighter-bombers of unchallenged superiority. The main lesson Israel had learned from the [1956] Suez war was the importance of air dominance not only to neutralize Arab air forces but also for use as flying artillery against infantry and tanks.” (Patrick Seale, Asad…, p. 117)
Ezer Weizman, former commander of Israel’s Air Force confirmed in his memoirs that Israel spent years meticulously planning the attack against Egypt: “For five years I had been talking of this operation, explaining it, hatching it, dreaming of it, manufacturing it link by link, training men to carry it out.” Recalling how he felt at 7:30 A.M. on 5 June 1967, Weizman wrote: “Now in a quarter of an hour, we would know if it was only a dream or whether it would come true….” (Donald Neff, Warriors for Jerusalem…, p. 202)
Nasser
March 8, 1965
“We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand. We shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood.”
we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim- perfection of Arab military might. The national aim- the eradication of Israel.”
25 May 1965, Joint Declaration of President Nasser of Egypt and President Aref of Iraq
“The political leadership emphasizes its commitment to the decision of the Summit Conference regarding the plan of collective Arab action for the liberation of Palestine. In accordance with that plan the Arab national aim is the elimination of Israel.”
In the 18 months before the Six-Day War, Palestinian guerillas launched 120 cross-border attacks on Israel from Syria and Jordan. They planted landmines, bombed water pumps, engaged in highway skirmishes, and killed 11 Israelis. Then in November 1966, a landmine killed three Israeli paratroopers near the border town of Arad.
Whatever the leaders of Egypt and the Soviet Union may have been thinking, their actions caused acute terror in Israel. Many worried about an impending attack, by an air force armed with chemical gas or by ground troops. “Rabbis were consecrating parks as cemeteries, and thousands of graves were dug,”
I have heard many quotes supposedly saying Palestinians or Arabs wanted to wipe Israel off the map, and almost all of them were translated from Arabic in a manner favorable to the point the person providing the translation was trying to make.
He isn’t surrendering to Israel, he is doing their will dutifully. He is an Orthodox Jewish man with long personal ties to Netanyahu, something Netanyahu alluded/confessed to in a press conference.
Perhaps….it wasn’t the Russians that interfered in the elections, given the anecdotal evidence, and current direction of US foreign policy. Makes no sense America is making moves that hurts her interests but serves her “ally’s”, unless it is purposefully done as so.
I would be very curious to see what the region would look like if Israel were magically gone and the Palestinians were left to tend over their well deserved land on their own…something tells me it would look a lot like swamplands that existed there for thousands of years before the Jews returned…unfortunately, instead of bettering the lives of their citizens, the Palestinian leadership is interested only in destroying Israel and propagating terror. Much of what the Palestinian people do have comes in the form of aid from Israel, not from their own government who doesn’t give a crap about them.
You mean the leadrship that is left after the US-Israeli cartel killed off real and potential leaders? Yeah. OOOOOps. you missed that one little point.
Hey, look! Another good Jewish kid cutting a del with war criminals! Big surprise there. Seriously- I think we need more zionist Jews and their dominionist Christian butties in office to sort this thing out.
And maybe, let the Anti-Defamation League run crisis PR factories here at home.
Yeah. That’ll help.
I see you’ve been as I’ll informed as the folks who think the US was nothing but savages living in the wilderness before the Pilgrims came.
You might want to look at who taught Jews from Europe how to grow oranges in the desert, helped them to sell them at the best prices, and were then declared to be foreigners in their own orange groves by the Apartheid regime (over the objections of the Jewish orange growers, who were willing to stand up and ‘sponsor’ their neighbors and friends and mentors back to their homes)
Had me at: the Trump administration’s peace envoy for the region is named Greenblatt.
Updated?? It seems the article has been overhauled.
Great article, Mr Mackey.
You cannot stress enough times the true meaning of terrorism. It’s terrible that both administrations mislead the public by misusing the word.
This is offensive on so many levels. Kid Kushner.
These old, hardened, soldiers have been playing this game for far longer than Kid has been an adult – I am embarrassed. Not having an honest broker makes him an utter sham. He’s too smart and experienced to be rolled, unlike his father-in-law, right?
That the admin didn’t have Iftar is embarrassing.
I read each tweet as dripping with insincerity.
The faux-rage is deafening.
“When U.S. officials like Kushner treat violence against Israeli officers maintaining an armed occupation as a terrorist outrage, they surrender entirely to Israel’s view of the conflict as one in which its use of force is legitimate and any attack on its security forces is terrorism…” This point of view glorifies terrorism making it sound like an act of terror could be qualified under certain conditions as a “fight for freedom”. This is typical leftist garbage. This opinion is reprehensible. NOTHING JUSTIFIES TERROR. Not to mention, that the “sufferings” of Palestinians are totally self-inflicted. They started the hostilities in 1948 with their shouts to “throw Jews into Mediterranean” but were defeated. They tried several wars against Israel w the help of the now extinct Communist Soviet Union. They lost all wars. Then they turned to terror and vicious anti-Semitic propaganda. They chose the wrong path. And paid for it. If they had any “rights” for the state they actually never had – they lost it. Giving them the state would create a horrible historic precedent. This would allow the ideologues of terrorism to make a valid claim that terror pays.
I want to add one more thing. I am sick and tired of this dumb talk about “occupation”. How can someone “occupy” a state that NEVER existed? Palestinians never had their state and in fact never asked for it until Jews returned to the Middle East to get back their ancient lands. In fact in 1948, when UN recognized Israel, the term “Palestinians” did not exist on the political map, Palestine was a geographical name like names of rivers and mountains. The term Palestinians was coined in the 70s by Arafat’s PLO.
@Alex
For your much needed edification:
The first known written reference to Palestinians as a people (Peleset) was c.1150 BCE at the temple of Medinet Habut. They were among those who fought with Egypt during Ramesses III’s reign.
The region between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea was first referred to as “Palestine” by the Greek historian Herodotus (“the father of history”) during the 5th century BCE.
100 years later, in the mid-4th Century BCE, Aristotle referred to “Palestine” while discussing the Dead Sea in his Meteorology. “Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine….”
Jewish historian Josephus’s (c.37-100 CE) The Jewish War, Antiquities of the Jews contains many references to both “Palestine” and “Palestinians.”
Contemporaries of Jesus also routinely referred to Palestine as “Palestine.” In the first decade of the 1st Century, the Roman poet Ovid mentioned Palestine in both his famed mythological poem Metamorphoses and his erotic elegy The Art of Love. He also wrote of “the waters of Palestine” in his calendrical poem Fasti. Around the same time, another Latin poet, Tibullus wrote of “the crowded cities of Palestine” in the section “Messalla’s Triumph” in his poem Delia.
BTW, the claim that the Roman emperor Hadrian officially changed the name of the region to “Syria Palaestina” or simply “Palestine,” in 135 CE is contradicted by the fact that by then, the term “Palestine” had already been in use for over 600 years.
Also, for the record, when the Muslim Arabs arrived in Palestine in the 7th century CE (and liberated its Jewish population from Byzantine oppression), they retained the administrative organization of the territory of Palestine as it had been under the Romans and later, the Byzantines. They referred to the territory as Filastin (no “P” in Arabic.)
To quote the opening sentence of the section entitled “Filastin” that appears in the book “Dictionary of the Lands,” written by geographer Yaqut ibn Abdullah al-Hamawi in 1225: “Filastin: It is the last one of the regions of Syria in the direction of Egypt. Its most famous cities are Ashkelon, Ramle, Gaza, Arsuf, Caesaria, Nablus, Jericho, Jaffa and Beit Guvrin.”
In 1603, Shakespeare wrote in his play Othello: “Emilia: I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” (Act IV, Scene iii.)
In 1863, The Religious Tract Society of London published its “Pictorial Journey Through the Holy Land; or Scenes of Palestine.” In this work Beersheba is described as the southern limit of Palestine. Beersheba lies south-east of Gaza on the northern edge of the Negev desert. Palestine is described as “south of Lebanon.”
European tourist books of the nineteenth century refer to “Palestine,” as did Theodor Herzl in his correspondence and the 1917 Balfour Declaration as well as the 1922 Class A League of Nations British Mandate.
Enough said. All you’ve done is trotted out long since debunked Hasbara nonsense. I suggest you do some serious research using duly documented sources written by internationally recognized scholars.
Hasbara is too polite. Alex is a Zionist historical revisionist.
@alex – then stop talking about a ‘state’, it is a region and land. israel doesn’t want peace, they want land.
The Palestinian Arabs of today did not suddenly appear from the Arabian peninsula in the 7th century to settle in Palestine, but are the same indigenous peoples living there who changed how they identified over time.
This includes the descendants of every group that has ever called Palestine their home. When regions change rulers, they don’t normally change populations. Throughout history, peoples have often changed how they identified politically.
The Sardinians eventually became Italians, Prussians became Germans. The Mongolians are not from the ‘state’ of Mongolia they are from the country, the region. Just like the Palestinians are from Palestine.
We must separate the political nationalist identity of people from their person hood as human beings, as nationalism is a relatively modern concept, especially in the Middle East.
From the perspective of the people of the region, Israel has a long history of occupation, invasion and state terrorism.
Israel’s formula for peace in the region is for Palestinians to give up their viable lands that they lived on for generations to Israeli settlers and docilely move to unproductive areas within Israel where their needs of living space are ignored.
You forget the region was ALL a united people under the Ottomans, and acts of terrorism by Zionists against the Palestinians living under the British Mandate, was considered a threat to them all. There was no “right to exist” as a Jewish state (a partition of Mandate Palestine).
I’m tired of you people and all your dumb talk about ‘the Palestinian people don’t exist. These arguments and slogans have become clichés and inside jokes, the classics include: “Israel made the desert bloom”
“There was never a state called Palestine”
Or my favorite:
“A land without a people, for a people without a land.”
This last one I find especially entertaining, as it clashes so terribly with other Israeli talking points. In the end it amounts to something similar to “We are under existential threat from the people who don’t exist.
Well and truly stated!!
Indeed!
@Alex
Reality:
To be brief:
Palestinians rejected the Partition Plan (UNGA Res. 181, Nov. 29/47) for entirely justified reasons based on international law. While Jews made up just 31% of the population (90% of foreign origin, only 30% had become citizens, thousands were illegal immigrants) and privately owned just between 6% and 7% of the land, the Partition Plan (recommendatory only, no legal foundation, contrary to the British Class A Mandate and the Atlantic Charter, never adopted by the UNSC) outrageously recommended they receive 56% of Palestine (including its most fertile areas) in which Palestinians made up 45% of the population. (10% of Palestine’s Jewish population consisted of native Palestinian/Arab Jews who were vehemently anti-Zionist.)
48% of the total land area of mandated Palestine was privately owned (‘mulk khaas’) by Palestinian Arabs. To repeat, total Jewish privately owned land was only between 6% and 7%. About 45% of the total land area was state owned, i.e. by citizens of Palestine (only 30% of Jewish immigrants had become citizens) and it was comprised of Communal Property (‘mashaa’), Endowment Property, (‘waqf’), and Government Property, (‘miri’.) (The British Mandate kept an extensive land registry and the UN used the registry during its early deliberations. It has in its archives 453,000 records of individual Palestinian owners defined by name, location & area.)
Although native Palestinian Arab citizens made up at least 69% of the population and privately owned 48% of the land, the Partition Plan recommended they receive only 42% as a state. (The 2% of Palestine comprised of Jerusalem and Bethlehem was to be placed under international control, a corpus separatum.)
In short, Palestinians were entirely justified and in full accordance with international law when they rejected the Partition Plan.
Rubbing salt into the wound, the United States quashed a proposal based on international law put forth by Arab delegates at the UN that a referendum be conducted in Palestine to determine the wishes of the majority regarding the Partition Plan. The United States also thwarted their request to have the matter referred to the International Court of Justice.
The Partition Plan proved to be so unworkable that when Polish born David Ben-Gurion (nee, David Gruen) et al. declared the “Jewish State” of Israel effective 15 May 1948 (after Jewish forces had already dispossessed and expelled 400,000 Palestinians – e.g., 30,000 from West Jerusalem in March (and a further 30,000 in May), 60,000 from Haifa in April, 75,000 from Jaffa in late April and early May), the UNGA was in the process of shelving the Partition Plan in favor of a UN Trusteeship.
When war erupted due to necessary intervention by reluctant outnumbered/outgunned Arab state armies to stem the accelerating expulsion of Palestinians, a US proposed cease-fire was accepted by the Arab League but rejected by Israel.
During the war Israel seized 78% of Palestine (22% more than the Partition Plan recommended, including large portions of the proposed Palestinian state, e.g., Jaffa), expelled 400,000 more Palestinians for a total of about 800,000 and went on to destroy over 500 of their towns and villages, including churches, mosques and cemeteries. It was only the beginning of the dispossession and expulsion of the Palestinian Arabs, the indigenous inhabitants of historic Palestine and descendants of the Canaanites.
“This point of view glorifies terrorism making it sound like an act of terror could be qualified under certain conditions as a “fight for freedom”. ”
Differentiating is now “glorifying”? How so?
There’s a vast difference between resisting a foreign occupation by attacking armed military forces vs committing random acts of violence against civilians for ideological reasons.
Case in point: Imagine China would manage to overrun the US military and occupy the US, the land of the free and lots of big guns.
Gun nuts constantly go on how they’d be “the last defense line” in such a scenario, yet by your definition, US American civilians taking up arms against the Chinese invaders, to protect their land, could easily be labeled as “terrorism”. Or wouldn’t that apply because “American exceptionalism lala”?
Think about that for a minute and realize that the term “terrorism”, which wasn’t super well defined to begin with, has been pretty much turned into nothing but an empty label that way too often gets thrown around to stir up emotional reactions.
Israel gets a lot from the US, but what, exactly, do we get in return?
Increased ability for Western corporatist interests to maintain Full Spectrum Dominance in the region militaristically and practically.
And a friendly democracy in the GME.
lol
Israel cumulative direct investment in the US through 2014 was $8.9bn. That is four times higher than the whole continent of Africa. And compare that value with that of an economic powerhouse like China, which was $9.4bn. (Organization for international investments, 2016 Report)
Israel investment in just real estate in the US was $1bn as of 2012.
We get the collective animosity of all middle-eastern populations. What? That’s not enough….;)
The US gets nothing from Israel other than hostility from the native Palestinian and other Arab inhabitants of the ME who are dispossessed and oppressed by fascistic/racist Israel.
The Jewish theft of Palestine and the Jewish persecution/genocide against the people who’s birthright is the land the Jews covet is an immoral endeavor. Those who support this garbage with American blood and treasure are immoral monsters. All of the terrorism, all of the wars and war profiteering, all of the financial rape and plunder of the worlds resources, all of the corruption of governments, organization and leaders is a direct consequence of conservative predator ideology. Jared Kushner is not in Israel to initiate peace, he is there to receive his instructions from those who control him and his father-in-law. Trump, conservatives, Zionist Jews and those under their control have no intention of making peace with the Palestinians, those who believe otherwise are delusional. The Jewish agenda is to use American blood and treasure, through control of our politicians, media and military industrial complex to effect the complete removal of Muslim presence in the land they consider their birthplace.
I applaud you. What a beautifully written and succinct comment.
I’m not sure why the zionist media doesn’t show the mass rallies conducted by Rabbi’s in New York, against the illegal terrorist state of israel.
Just because Palestinians will not surrender their freedom and dignity does not make them terrorists, regardless that it terrorizes netanyahu. The Palestinians are freedom fighters. They have a right under international law to resist their oppressor, even if it is by the use of violence against the military occupiers.
It is the netanyahu’s and the liberman’s who are in violation of international law. They have repeatedly ignored resolutions from the United Nations, judgments by the International Court of Justice, and condemnation from the international community, hypocritically including the USA.
Resistance is a right. The French et. al. had a right to resist Nazi occupation, Africans had a right to resist European colonialism, Vietnamese had a right to fight US imperialism, and Mei Geren had a right to stand up against a line of tanks in Tiananmen Square. Throwing a rock at a tank is not terrorism. The israeli tanks are the terrorists. The Palestinians have not surrendered their freedom and dignity to the terrorists; it is the netanyahu’s and liberman’s who surrendered because the Palestinians exposed for the whole world the real terrorists. israel are the real terrorists.
Well said!
Nothing the Intercept says matters any more. Another irrelevant and bias rag –
“Jared Kushner’s Pursuit of Middle East Peace Looks a Lot Like Total Surrender to Israel”.
Looks more like Zionists goose-stepping together.
This is total trash!
If Israel ever loses a war to the Palestinians and their Arab allies every Jew in Israel would be slaughtered. The orgy of violence , blood , rape and mayhem would make Syria look like a small squabble. Once again the Jews of the world would be tempest tossed and vulnerable to the whims and machinations of the gentiles and we all know how loving they have been toward the Jews throughout the last 2,000 years. Israel won a war in 1967 and is still here despite every attempt to destroy her. A just two state solution has always been rejected by the Palestinians. Countries win wars. Countries expand their territories. America did it and Russia is doing it now but all criticism is reserved for the one, small Jewish State. Finally, I know your Israel hating , anti Semitic ,self hating Jewish readers would love Israel to lose and for the Jewish people to be humiliated but that will never happen. Israel has between 80-400 nuclear war heads and I can assure your readers as an average Jewish person that if Israel is ever in danger of losing a war they will go nuclear and this time everyone will go down the toilet bowl with us and they will wish that never happened. So pray for peace, pray that the Palestinians will finally come to accept a real two state solution that guarantees the Jewish people a small state on this Earth, a tiny refuge smaller than the state of New Jersey where the Jewish nation can once again reside in peace in the land of our ancestors.
I’m not sure where to start with your sickening comments.
“Israel has between 80-400 nuclear war heads and I can assure your readers as an average Jewish person that if Israel is ever in danger of losing a war they will go nuclear and this time everyone will go down the toilet bowl with us”
Thank you for showing all of us what zionists truly think. And you wonder why countless societies have wanted you out.
It is mind boggling that you are brain washed into believing the bullshyt lies made up by yourselves.
Sorry to tell you that the rest of us don’t believe your lies, lies, lies, propaganda and more lies.
mikemd1
Reality re 1967 war:
At 7:45 AM on 5 June 1967, Israel attacked Egypt and thereby, Jordan and Syria who each shared a mutual defense pact with Egypt. The attack took place just hours before Egypt’s VP Mohieddine was to fly to Washington for a prearranged June 7th meeting with the Johnson administration to defuse the crisis between Egypt and Israel based on an agreement worked out in Cairo between Nasser and Johnson’s envoy, Robert Anderson. In a cable sent to Johnson on May 30, Israel’s PM Eshkol promised not to attack Egypt until June 11 to give diplomacy a chance to succeed. However, on June 4, when it heard about the June 7th meeting and the distinct possibility that it would rule out war, Israel’s cabinet ordered its armed forces to attack Egypt the next day. In short, the war was another massive land grab by Israel.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin, former Minister without portfolio in PM Levi Eshkol’s cabinet, while addressing Israel’s National Defence College on 8 August 1982: “In June, 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” (New York Times, 21 August 1982)
Meir Amit, chief of Israel’s Mossad: “Egypt was not ready for a war and Nasser did not want a war.” (Dr. Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality)
Israeli Chief of Staff Rabin: “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Le Monde, 25 February, 1968)
Prime Minister Eshkol: “The Egyptian layout in the Sinai and the general military buildup there testified to a military defensive Egyptian set-up south of Israel.” (Yediot Aharonot, l8 October 1967)
Robert McNamara, U.S. Secretary of Defence: “Three separate intelligence groups had looked carefully into the matter [and] it was our best judgment that a UAR attack was not imminent.” (The Vantage Point, Lyndon Johnson, p. 293)
An article published in the New York Times (4 June 1967) just hours before Israel attacked notes that Major General Indar Jit Rikhye, Commander of UNEF in the Middle East, “who toured the Egyptian front, confirms that Egyptian troops were not poised for an offensive.”
On May 26, in reply to Israel’s Foreign Minister Abba Eban’s assertion that according to Israeli intelligence, “an Egyptian and Syrian attack is imminent,” Secretary of State Dean Rusk dismissed the claim and assured Eban that Israel faced no threat of attack from Egypt. On the same day, during a meeting at the Pentagon, Eban was also told by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and his aides that “…Egyptian forces were not in an aggressive posture and that Israel was not opening itself to peril by not attacking immediately. The contrary was true, Eban was told.” (Donald Neff, Warriors for Jerusalem, pp. 140-41)
BTW, as the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) Commander, Major General Idar Jit Rikhye, revealed, Nasser was not enforcing the blockade of the Tiran straits: “[The Egyptian] navy had searched a couple of ships after the establishment of the blockade and thereafter relaxed its implementation.” (Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality, p. 139)
Furthermore: According to Patrick Seale, highly regarded historian and journalist, Israel had been meticulously preparing for another war against the Arabs since its 1956 invasion of Egypt: “In the decade since the Suez campaign Israel had built up forces that could move fast and hit hard: mobile armoured units able to cover long distances, mechanized infantry, heliborne and naval paratroopers for use behind enemy lines, and above all an air force of Mirage and Super-Mystere interceptors and Mystere fighter-bombers of unchallenged superiority. The main lesson Israel had learned from the [1956] Suez war was the importance of air dominance not only to neutralize Arab air forces but also for use as flying artillery against infantry and tanks.” (Patrick Seale, Asad…, p. 117)
Ezer Weizman, former commander of Israel’s Air Force confirmed in his memoirs that Israel spent years meticulously planning the attack against Egypt: “For five years I had been talking of this operation, explaining it, hatching it, dreaming of it, manufacturing it link by link, training men to carry it out.” Recalling how he felt at 7:30 A.M. on 5 June 1967, Weizman wrote: “Now in a quarter of an hour, we would know if it was only a dream or whether it would come true….” (Donald Neff, Warriors for Jerusalem…, p. 202)
Regarding your false assertion that ” A just two state solution has always been rejected by the Palestinians,” I refer you to the following:
In 1988, the PLO recognized Israel as a sovereign state within the borders of the 1947 recommendatory only UNGA Partition Plan, Res. 181 (which, for the record, violated the terms of the Class A British Mandate for Palestine and the Atlantic Charter, was never adopted by the UNSC and was grossly unfair to the indigenous Palestinian Arab inhabitants.)
By signing the 1993 Oslo Accords, the PLO accepted UNSC Res. 242 and thereby agreed to recognize a sovereign Israel within the 1949 armistice lines, i.e., as of 4 June 1967 – 78% of mandate Palestine.
The PLO also agreed to the US/EU/UN supported 2002 Arab League Beirut Summit Peace Initiative, which offers Israel full recognition as a sovereign state (per UNSC Res. 242, i.e., within its June 4/67 boundaries with possible minor and mutually agreed land swaps), exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, etc., if Israel complies with international law and its previous commitments. Fully aware of Israel’s demographic concerns, the Beirut initiative does not demand the return of all Palestinian refugees. In accordance with Israel’s pledge given to the UNGA in 1949 and by signing the 1949 Lausanne Peace Conference Protocol to abide by UNGA Res. 194 regarding the then 800,000 Palestinian refugees as a precondition for admittance to the UN (after being rejected twice), the Arab League’s Initiative “calls upon Israel to affirm” that it agrees to help pursue the “achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem…”
Along with all Arab states and the PLO, Hezbollah and Iran have also accepted the Arab League’s 2002 Beirut Summit Peace Initiative. (In its revised Charter ,April, 2017, Hamas agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders.)
Regrettably, then Israeli PM Ariel Sharon summarily dismissed the Arab League’s peace overture, as did Israel in 2008 and thereafter.
For the record, other peace initiatives that Israeli governments have rebuffed include: U.S. Secretary of State William Rogers’ The Rogers Plan (1969); The Scranton Mission on behalf of President Nixon (1970); Egyptian President Sadat’s land for peace and mutual recognition proposal (1971); U.S. President Jimmy Carter’s call for a Geneva international conference (1977); Saudi Arabian King Fahd’s peace offer (1981); U.S. President Ronald Reagan’s Reagan Plan (1982); U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz’s Schultz Plan (1988); U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s Baker Plan (1989); and the previously noted 1993 Oslo accords signed by Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin that unravelled following the latter’s assassination and subsequent return to power of the Likud party from 1996-1999 under Benjamin Netanyahu; continuation of the Taba II negotiations (2001); the unofficial Geneva Peace Initiative of November/December 2003; and the 2014 Kerry Initiative.
BTW, As for the much touted 2000 Camp David Summit, working in tandem, Barak and Clinton tried to shove a very bad deal down Arafat’s throat. It could only be rejected. Suffice to quote Shlomo Ben-Ami, then Israel’s foreign minister and lead negotiator at Camp David: “Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.” (National Public Radio, 14 February 2006.)
The “offer” made in 2008 by then Israeli PM Ehud Olmert was never seen as serious because it lacked cabinet approval, he was under indictment with only a few weeks left in office, had a 6% favorable rating, and, therefore, couldn’t have closed the deal, even if the Palestinians had accepted it. (Olmert is now imprisoned.)
Unfortunately, Israel’s response to every peace overture from the Palestinians and Arab states, has been an escalation of illegal settlement construction in belligerently/illegally/brutally occupied Palestinian and other Arab lands.
‘make Syria look like a small squabble’.
Why do some people feel the lives of jews trumps the lives of non-jews? Get out of palestine and stay out and maybe there will be a chance for peace. But the ship has sailed wrt 2SS. It’s just bullshit, just the same old same old wait, we want 2SS, when actions and the words straight out of master lier booboo is there will never be a palestinian state on his watch and their solution is to erase palestinians, the indigenous people of Palestine. Israel is a bastard state without borders, without a constitution and without a prayer for any peace. Why – they don’t want peace. Occupation has been and continues to be israel’s greatest source of income.
Brilliant analysis – Thanks.
Wow what a disgusting article…israelis are helping and providing medical treatment to Palestinians at no cost without any bias while Palestinians are murdering Israelis at any chance they get…and you condemn an American official for offering condolences to their families…if any of you have a chance, visit Israel, visit the hospitals and speak to real people instead of reading this garbage…
You need to get the facts before you post this. The killing is not a one way street.
The Palestinians are being Occupied by the Israelis and they have a right to fight off their occupiers.
I agree with you. Just iqnore the other fascists
Religious Zionists will never surrender their arrogant ideology which places the wants and needs of the jew above all others.
You see for them it was different when jews resisted hitler in occupied France. Their violence was noble and righteous while Palestnian resistence to isreaeli occupation and apartheid is terrorism. The religious Zionist defines the essence of his Jewishness by his ability to redeem the land – taken by force from the Palestinians. To question that leads to the smears, lies, anti-, and self hating bullsh*t.
You are right, betz55.
Jews, or, at least, most of them, for last 2000 years never ceased to aspire returning back to Israel and Jerusalem. Jews paid with life and blood for this. Roman massacres, Rhineland massacres, Khmielnicki massacre, Russian pogroms, arab massacres, Holocaust, Kielce massacre – nothing worked. Stubborn Jews still want to come back to their Holy Land. They will never surrender.
Do you have yet another solution? If not, then stop spreading your, for the lack of the better word, bullsh*t.
It is rather telling that the same folks who claim that the place had an irresistible hold on people who lived there for a generation or two a thousand years ago then claim that the people who lived there for dozens of generations 70 years ago will be happy to just walk away.
Do they or you have personal papers proving that you are a direct descendant, within a couple generations, of the supposed dinosaurs who supposedly squatted in those hills? Let’s see personal papers or be so good as to stop your hasbaric bullsh*t.
A religious comic book which you believe provides a more legitimate claim than the rights of the native inhabitants whose ancestors have lived on the land for thousands of years.
In other words, the country does not belong to its citizens but to an ethnic group that enforces legal discrimination against non-members of the group. This is a political system founded on the notion of ethnic supremacy, as was the state of apartheid South Africa.
If being Jewish is a religion, no modern Jew practices the same religion as the ancient Jews. So there is no religious basis for Israel.
If being Jewish is an ethnicity, European Jews have no genetic relationship to the ancient Jews, Israelites, Judeans or Hebrews.
The European (Askenazi) Jews are descended from a Turkish group called the Kazars that adopted a form of Talmudic Judaism sometime in the 7th or 8th centuries for political and economic purposes. So there is no Jewish ethnic legitimacy for Israel.
E. European Jews are a Slavo-Turkic population, whose connection to Palestine is completely mythological
By the way: 80 percent of all Jews are Ashkenazim and have no personal ancestry in Judaea, whatsoever. Arabs are Semites, but the Ashkenazim are not. But thanks for asking.
Go fabricate your fake legends elsewhere.
betz55 —
Nobody is asking you nothing. Address your arguments to somebody else. What is relevant and defining is the fact that you know well and stated yourself – Jews will not surrender.
This leaves you and your ilk, who are so passionate about pointing out to Jews their “rightful” place, with two practical options:
– Final Solution. If you have guts.
– Leave Jews alone. If you have brain.
Anything else is simply a wasting time and broadband.
You’re not comprehending – you have proven the point beautifully – jews will not surrender, but you think the Palestinians should and will?
Demographic trends mean that Israel can’t have it all.
It can’t be a Jewish state, a democratic state, and a state in control of its whole historical land.
It can only have two of its objectives at a time.
Israel can be Jewish and territorial — but not democratic.
Or it can be democratic and territorial — but not Jewish.
Or finally, it can be Jewish and democratic — but not territorial.
The only people destroying Israel are the Zionists. The very ones claiming that others are out to destroy it, wherever its borders are. Classic pathological narcissism and projection.The eventual destruction of Israel is in good hands. Outside help is not necessary.
“Stubborn Jews still want to come back to their Holy Land.”
It’s only “their Holy Land” based on an, mostly, fictional religious scripture.
You might wanna look up the actual historical facts, then you will realize that “the exodus”, as described in the Book of Exodus, is most likely a fictional exaggeration.
The logistics don’t add up and the archaeological finds don’t add up, it’s a made up story, just like so many others from religious scripture.
That’s why it’s problematic to make land-claims based on religious scriptures: It’s pure insanity that puts dogma over the realities of the people actually living there.
In that regard, I see no difference to other religious extremists who justify their vile behavior by their holy scriptures: Same BS, different flavor.
@Leo
During the 19th century (CE!!), my great grandfather was driven off his land in Ireland by the British and was forced to flee to America. According to you, as a descendant, I have a right to go to Ireland and forcibly remove the current inhabitants from what was my great grandfather’s land and claim it as my own.
In short, you are peddling utter nonsense. And please don’t trot out the racist and moronic argument that because you were presumably born into a Jewish family, you have a “God given” right to seize the lands of and dispossess/expel the indigenous Palestinian Arab inhabitants of historic Palestine because Jews had a minor kingdom (the United Kingdom of Israel) between the River Jordan and the Sea thousands of years ago that lasted a mere 77 years (about 1004-927 BCE) and never controlled the coast from Jaffa to Gaza. Even the Hasmonean Dynasty under the Maccabees lasted only 70 years (about 140 – 70 BCE) and it was under Roman tutelage.
By way of comparison, apart from about 200 years when the Crusaders occupied Palestine in whole or in part, Egyptians ruled the region between the River and the Sea for 615 intermittent years, including the era of the Muslim Mamelukes; the Romans ruled the region for 677 continuous years. It was also ruled for several centuries by two other peoples: the Arabs (Muslims), for 447 continuous years (638-1085) and the Ottoman Turks (Muslims), for 401 uninterrupted years (1517-1918.)
To quote renowned historian/anthropologist and “Holy Land” specialist, Professor Ilene Beatty: “When we speak of ‘Palestinians’ or of the ‘Arab population [of Palestine]‘, we must bear in mind their Canaanite origin. This is important because their legal right to the country stems… from the fact that the Canaanites were first, which gives them priority; their descendants have continued to live there, which gives them continuity; and (except for the 800,000 dispossessed refugees [of 1948 along with the further hundreds of thousands expelled before and after the war Israel launched on 5 June 1967]) they are still living there, which gives them present possession. Thus we see that on purely statistical grounds they have a proven legal right to their own land.” (“Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan,” 1957)
Well said!
As Usual,
EA
Why do we care what Kushner believes when the odds of him facilitating anything approaches zero? Kusher could be the biggest lover of the PLO and it would change nothing. That all said I agree and disagree with the author. There is a specific definition of terrorism. Yet in our modern world where everyone we don’t like is labeled a fascist terrorist who commits crimes against humanity and is responsible for global warming progressives do the same thing. As a conservative I bridle when progressives call anything conservative fascist. Yet they ignore that the founder of the movement Benito Mussolini was a communist first before he turned into a Nationalist. If you remove the race rhetoric, Hitler’s My Struggle is in line with anything Karl Marx wrote. I have no clue if the author is a progressive or not so will not accuse him of hypocrisy. Only pointing out that the hijacking of words by society has a long and sullied history in language. Personally whether someone is a terrorist, a combatant, or murderer it does not matter to me if I am a parent and I believe my child died in a notorious way. The cold calculus of the intellectuals will not bring comfort. You should feel better because your child’s death was not senseless because it was not terrorism but war. Never mind that the individual who died was acting as a law enforcer and not on a combat mission.
Agreed, there’s a reason it’s called a peace “process.” It’s literally never-ending.
A process of their own well intended creation, israelis are facing constant threats: Iran, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Arab citizens, the Left, left-wing NGOS. And of course, the greatest threat of all: peace plans.
Benito Mussolini has never been a communist, he was a socialist. Fascism was also a socialist regime.
You are a fool to imagine that Kushner is not the equal of
Madeline Albright (sp?) or Colin Powell or John Kerry or
Hillary Clinton or Condaleeza Rice or……
They all took years to learn to be on the same level as Kushner’s
lowness.
I have to give Mr. Trump credit. He has managed the impossible, namely, to find something – cheerleading for Israel – that Mr. Kushner is good at. It makes no sense to send a Secretary of State to Israel – remember poor Mr. Kerry? The Israelis delighted in finding ways to humiliate him, but he never learned, and kept returning for more. Mr. Kushner on the other hand, will just parrot whatever the Israelis tell him to say, so they have no incentive to make him appear ridiculous. Everybody is much happier. Even the Palestinians will probably benefit from Mr. Netanyahu being in a good mood; he may, as a token of good will, slow the rate at which they are being evicted from their homes.
Straight from the horses
mouthass:Or, as bob Mackey puts it: Total Surrender!
*return of the Mack … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5TIuYgNXZY
The point of sending in a total patsy is to soften up the Israelis. They have always rejected peace deals in the past, since they assumed they would have to give up something. When Mr. Kushner tells them he will give them anything they ask for, they become more open to the prospect of a deal.
Why wouldn’t they say no to giving them everything?
Found this on Flipboard. What a colossal waste of energy to argue about this. Israel isn’t going anywhere. Palestinians are going to keep doing what they’re doing. And from my perspective it simply doesn’t matter. There are other problems on earth and the Palestinians rank pretty low on my radar and just about everyone’s radar. I guess there’s a people who would like to erase Israel and “save” the Palestinians. But it’s so inconsequential in the scheme of things I don’t understand this enormous waste of energy on the topic. Who gives a crap about the Palestinians? Their standards of living are pretty high compared to a LOT of other groups around the world who don’t get even a fraction of the media coverage. They have a high literacy rate, excellent health care thanks to Israeli hospitals, a high life expectancy (unless they plan to martyr themselves), plenty of food and water, large developed cities, a solid indrestructure (again, provided by Israel), and a decidedly first world consumer culture. Are we really going to waste our time over this? Who gives a shit? There are other far more pressing problems to solve around the world!
I don’t agree with how this is worded. I totally agree with the sentiment. Who gives a crap about the Palestinians? Indeed. Totally sick and tired of them taking up space in my news.
You and your buddy below should be very concerned with the state of the Palestinians. It is there plight that fuels the majority of terrorism around the world.
The majority?
How many Americans really give a shit about Israel?? We are forced into supporting not only Israel, but Egypt and Jordan to keep their borders safe. That safety will soon disappear when Jordan explodes from too many war ravaged and impoverished refugees.
I guess you’re cool with the occupation of Jerusalem, Israeli’s have made life as miserable for Christians as Muslims.
God didn’t give you Israel…a bunch of decietful bankers dreamed up the Zionist state.
All this does matter because it is exactly what has made the M.E. a virtual hell hole.
Why do American forces come back killed or wounded from the wars Israel creates but doesn’t have the back bone to fight or pay for.
People like you are a disgrace to Amercan Jews.
Zionism: An “Abnormal” Nationalism
https://www.counterpunch.org/2009/08/21/zionism-an-quot-abnormal-quot-nationalism/
The Doctrine of “Superior People” The Bond between Israel and World Zionism
http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=2050
Robert Mackey,
Can you please interview James Petras?
The United States and Iran: Two Tracks to Establish Hegemony
http://petras.lahaine.org/b2-img/petras_iran_usa.pdf
from Frank Luntz:
Language Dictionary for the Israel Project
https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf
Thanks. I suspected there must be a central source for all these BS talking points. The Hasbara Handbook.
Maybe if the so-called “Palestinians” would just give up the war they lost over and over again since the late 40’s, and quit with their imaginary claim on that land, and just head back to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt, where they came from, there could be some peace in the middle east.
After World War 2 the Israelis were offering money to countries all over the world for some kind of land to call their own, so they could recover from THE HOLOCAUST. Remember that? Well, the U.N. took possession of that land from Britain and handed it over to the Israelis. How welcoming were the surrounding Arab nations to a group of people who’d just went through what the Jews went through? It’s been constant war since 1948! They walked out of concentration camps and into a hornet’s nest. All those surrounding nations have wanted to eradicate them since they got that land and have made many attempts, and even more threats.
That land belongs to Israel. They were given it, and they won it in war after war after war, still going on to this day. Boneheads like you still blubber on and on about the poor Palestinians. They lost! Over and over and over! They can get out of there! Who cares what happens to them? They’re lucky that Israel doesn’t just wipe them out for being so troublesome! Why don’t they move in with some of their cousins next door in Jordan or something?
I wish someone would step in and just tell all the Palestinians to get lost. They won’t EVER live in peace. That’s obvious.
No, that land belongs to the Palestinians, it was known as Palestine for a reason. The U.N. tried to shove people living in there homes out so the new people could move in. Who wouldn’t resist that?
If that’s your justification than you agree that China should give the Native American $35 billion over the next 10 years, nukes, planes and missiles so they can protect themselves and can reclaim their land the in North America stolen by the Europeans? After all, the Native American’s land was confiscated much more recently.
Why would native Americans need China’s help or resort to force when they are in the process of taking back some of their lands via the US legal system and exploiting the Europeans vice of gambling? Sounds a lot smarter and more humane way to take back some of what was stolen as opposed to violence.
But assuming for the sake of argument that they did ask for China’s help, do you think they’d be wrong? Does a conquered people give up their moral right to try and reclaim what was theirs? Is there a time limit on moral justice in your mind? I mean at one time all of what is Israel was conquered or under control of the Romans.
By your logic shouldn’t those of the Jewish diaspora simply have accepted the fact (assuming you agree that Jewish people had anything more than a minor (by population) presence in the region historically, which many historians and geneticists disagree with) that they lost the land fair and square to another people via armed conquest and forever give up any future claims to it? It always strikes me as ironic how hypocritical hasbara arguments are and only apply to the Jewish diaspora and their perceived claims to the land wherein Israel is presently situated.
And out of curiosity in which history book is it that Native Americans lost their lands more recently than Palestinians lost theirs?
Anyonr expect anything else?
I’m stunned, if it weren’t for the tweets I’d never believe Mackey would write this.
Kushner’s adoration of Bibi is all over his face, not to mention the pride and comfort he feels in Israel.
The Right to Return for those displaced and their descendants and handing over the settlements is the only way to even start a two state solution, but if it’s a one state solution they’re after, the right of return for all Palestinians, Christian or Muslim, must be included.
Israel is likely the most devious country on our planet.
The more people that realize that, the whole charade starts to unravel.
People unaware of the lies and slogans of Israel are still resenting their bullying and parasitic behaviour.
Whatever Kushner attempts to achieve will be subverted by our bought and controlled AIPAC congress, no Trump deal will get around that.
Sad and disgusting.
Doesn’t Kushner belong to an organization that supports illegal settlements? And didn’t he contribute quite a bit of money to the effort? I remember reading that somewhere. Is true, wouldn’t that make him somewhat of a suspect arbitrator?
Typical zionist propaganda.
The sheer zionist hypocrisy is staggering.
Thank you to the Intercept for pointing out the zionists, never ending lies.
I highly recommend to everyone to watch, ‘The occupation of the American mind’
I look forward to reading all the bullshyt comments from hasbara trolls, in this comments section.
Looks like a “Round Table” of “Demons of Death!”
How does a total amateur, no experience in government, no foreign or domestic policy background worm his way into a position that could instigate his lunatic clown father-in-law in the White House to set off a nuclear holocaust?
Randell Rose’s plausible ideas below are interesting
“How…into a position that could instigate his lunatic clown father-in-law in the White House”
Your comment explains how. You are under estimating a demagogue. Call him a clown, but he is the president. The experts are not. A demagogue can easily beat the most experiencied and astute politician. Don’t be surprised if Trump gets reelected.
John Williams is asking how Kushner got a position in the white house, not how Trump got into the white house.
Could you at least try to understand the question being asked?
God, Mani, did you even get past the 6th grade? (FYI, my comment speaks to your credibility and inability to comprehend other people’s comments. Thus, it’s not “name-calling” as your simpleton mind understands it)
The preposition “his” refers to Kushner, not Trump. We know this because later it is repeated in the phrase “his father-in-law”.
Trump is Kushner’s father-on-law and not the reverse.
Jesus Mani. How far did you get in school?
Checkmate! Wanna play checkers again?
“The preposition “his” refers to Kushner, not Trump. ”
In Switzerland they taught us in 4th-5th grade that “his” is a possessive pronoun, not a “preposition” in the English language. Were my teachers correct?
John Williams:
“worm his way into a position that could instigate his lunatic clown father-in-law”
his = possessive pronoun referring to Kushner as the possessor
lunatic clown father-in-law = The father-in-law of Kushner is a lunatic clown
Who is Kushner’s father in law? Donald Trump, the president of the United States
Conclusion: John Williams described the president of the United States, Donald Trump, as a lunatic clown.
Swisscheese:
“Call him a clown, but he is the president.”
Him = Donald Trump, the president of the United States, Kushner’s father-in-law
Clown = Donald Trump, the president of the United States, Kushner’s father-in-law
Conclusion: Swisscheese is using John Williams’ description of Kushner’s father-in-law, Donald Trump, the President of the US to make a point.
Swisscheese:
“Your comment explains how you are under estimating a demagogue. Call him a clown, but he is the president. The experts are not. A demagogue can easily beat the most experienced and astute politician. Don’t be surprised if Trump gets reelected.”
Swisscheese’s point: You are underestimating Donald Trump’s skills as a demagogue by thinking he is just a clown. The demagogue can beat a politician and reelected.
English is not my first language, but I seriously doubt you have the proper English skills to correct me. You do not even seem to know what the English prepositions are. At least try to show some knowledge in the subject on which you want to correct somebody.
“Jesus Mani. How far did you get in school?”
This guy Mani must have hurt your feelings really bad for you to conclude that all Swiss on TI must be him. You are so desperate to take a revenge that you create the idea in your brain that I must be him and you constantly search to hurt my feelings by calling me names and now by questioning my level of education. Dude, calling me names or telling the whole world that I am an illiterate commenter on TI will not hurt me at all.
Yeah, you’re correct about the word “his” being a pronoun, my bad there, but incorrect about who John Williams was describing about getting a job in the whitehouse.
Since you’re admitting English is not your first language, I’ll take you at your word on that.
However, you are misreading, or misinterpreting John Williams comment. And you answering a question that was never asked.
Besides, all politicians demagogue. So what? That’s a useless statement. It’s like saying all politicians lie.
Nothing like stating the obvious. But that’s how shallow your critical thinking skills are.
1) Again, show some knowledgr in the subject on which you are trying to correct others.
2) I did not misunderstand John Williams. He called the president a clown? Yes? No? I told him that calling the president a clown is akin to underestimating his skills as a demagogue. Where is the misunderstanding?
3) Answering a question? Dude, is that the best you can do to save face? I was not answering any questions. I was giving my opinion on how he described the president.
“Besides, all politicians demagogue. So what? That’s a useless statement. It’s like saying all politicians lie.
Nothing like stating the obvious. But that’s how shallow your critical thinking skills are”
You are beyond desperation! A demagogue is not a clown. That was my point! They called Duterte a clown. He is the president. They called Chavez a clown he spent more than ten years in power. They called Trump a clown. Who got elected president?
And dude, even if I was stating the obvious that is not an expression of shallow thinking. That is a reminder. Example: all politicians lie, so do not trust Corbyn! It is raining outside, so take your umbrella not to mess up your hair.
This is insane. You misunderstood my statements and you insist in your brain that I was describing something that any five year old could see I was not. Again, that guy Mani must have hurt your feelings really bad to reach such a level of desperation. You are even creating falsehoods from extremely basic statements that you are incapable of understanding just to put in your mind that the Swiss guy has shallow thinking. Dude, go to Switzerland, find Mani and handle your business with him. I cannot help you.
Did it ever occur to you that a person/politician could be both? These aren’t exactly mutually exclusive concepts.
I understood your statement, Swiss. I’m just saying that they were irrelevant, or at best a side issue to what John Williams was commenting on.
He’s talking about Kushner, which makes sense since the article is about Kushner. Perhaps if you reread JW’s comment again and replace “his” with “Kushner” you might see the comment in a different light.
“Did it ever occur to you that a person/politician could be both?”
Yes, but MY opinion is that DT is not a clown, but an expert in demagoguery.
“He’s talking about Kushner..”
Yes, and Kushner has been appointed by the president of the US, DT whom he described as a lunatic clown. How the hell my point is irrelevant while it pertains directly the person in charge of Kushner and whom he specifically described?
You are just struggling with your embarassment. That is what happens when you engage a discussion just to attack the commenter. And if you sincerely cannot see how you completely misunderstood my statements, then you need some serious reading comprehension classes.
Nepotism. The answer was already there in your comment.
He married trumps daughter. Didn’t anyone tell you? This is how it works a meritocracy.
Oxymoron: The USA is *Israel*…$$ goes o Tel Aviv that’s not spent, here. The USA is *Israel’s* female canine.
Oh no, it’s not Israel calling the shots, it’s the US. You don’t go against the Godfather. Without US money Israel would be sunk.
A great profile on Kushner by the fantastic Mr. Philip Weiss:
Jared Kushner fired me over Israel ten years ago
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/jared-kushner-israel/
Fun fact, despite receiving $38bn in US tax payer welfare for the next 10 years, Israel is a Single Payer nation?
Something the US neocons and Democrats think is laughable impossibility.
Yeah, social engineering by the US military in the Middle East for the past 16 years is more realistic and cost feasible than Single Payer for Americans I guess.
Kushner’s cheerleading is disgusting, but the opposing head-in-the-sand approach is just stupid. And disgusting beats stupid every time.
Whether we like it or not, Israel has seized Palestine by force of arms and dispossessed its people. Oh sure, we can cheer on Palestinian ?terrorists like they were French resistance killing Nazis. We can cheer on the Cherokee if they tomahawk housewives in some suburb in Georgia while we’re at it. But what the hell is the point? The Democrats never saw a lost cause they didn’t want to sink their money on, whether it’s trying to get liberals elected to replace Trump’s safe Republican district holders who passed all his vetting, or trying to get a constitutional amendment passed to overturn Citizens United with less than half of the vote! So we have to ignore them, unless and until they come to their senses, and invent our own notion of liberalism.
The bottom line is that somehow UNRWA needs to start resettling Palestinians, large amounts of money need to be gathered up internationally to resettle Palestinians, and countries need to be persuaded, in part with that money, to accept the Palestinians, set them up as full citizens, and give them a decent diaspora wherein they can celebrate their culture. True, I happen to suspect that this can only be achieved by following Isaiah’s prophecy and instituting the Red Sea Dam project to create new land and fresh water throughout the Red Sea region, but if you have another way, go for it! But stop telling me that the ever-shrinking “Escape from New York” type reservation system is going to work for anyone. It’s bull, and it is so freaking unbelievable that believing in a three thousand year old prophecy about the foundation of Israel followed by the destruction of the Red Sea is far more rational by comparison!
Yup, yer on the money about the Democrats, as you are with the biblical and political versions of a Greater Israel
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
One lil caveat however, the Biblical version never mentioned the Zionists. Once the Palestinians are taken care of, who’s next? This is colonialism with imperialists tendencies..
Brilliant! Level headed, brutally honest and realistic. A fresh look at this human quagmire. Where do we start?
BTW, forget Kushner . Baby soft . Dancing for Bibi and the Aipac plunderers. Dance Jared! You are a monkey!, Dance!
So, let me guess, you also think that what needed to be done in South Africa was recognize the ‘split’ that the ‘White state’ insisted had to be given legitimacy, then ‘resettle’ those who had been declared to be foreigners to that state as citizens of the Bantu states (who would also have to accept the limitations and conditions that the White state wanted to ensure that Afrikaaners would always be secure) because it was a ‘lost cause’ to try and get any other deal agreed TO.
Ironically, that was a popular opinion in the US until, after twice as many years of the ‘White state’ running roughshod over the rights of the majority population than Israel has lasted, it was relegated to only being popular amongst the openly racist and the politicians who courted them, then an embarrassing opinion to have even if you were as hard core a right winger as Thatcher.
In apartheid South Africa, whites were not merely a small minority, but a minority that was not self-sufficient. A change in their society was a change in the manner of integration, from being more hierarchical with overtones of racial nonsense to being less hierarchical (though certainly not totally equal). There were few debates I can recall reading about on the laws of South Africa – while the Europeans and Africans may have had very different cultures, they apparently did not differ as much as Judaism and Islam! The biggest political changes I can recall reading about were a) some globally approved “politically correct” (and also just plain sensible) things like gay rights, which most white governments were embracing around the same time anyway, and b) a massive reduction in prison sentences, which is certainly not normal among white governments, but apparently a decent enough idea that they got away with it. But not, say, women having to wear burkas or people getting stoned for preaching Christianity.
A more recent situation was that in Kosovo, where the international community looked and decided that Muslims and Christians should NOT be in the same state, and gave the Muslims formal recognition of their de facto gains. I’m not saying that was 100% without trouble, but it happened, and things went relatively well. South Sudan also happened, based on similar ideas, and, well, that worked about as well as most of the UN projects. What conclusion I draw out of this is not so much – I’m not persuaded so and so has “the right to have a country” and others don’t; countries are expressions of naked force. But being totally unrealistic about what happens when concerning expressions of naked force doesn’t pay off much.
Unfortunately Mr. Mackey appears incapable of much more than culling Twitter posts, which collectively contain even less truth than the New York Times. Were he a real reporter, he might contemplate, research, and report on why it is that Jared Kushner is the envoy to Israel. Could there be some sort of internal White House intrigue behind it? Let me explain.
Ordinarily, the relationships between the US and its closest allies are managed by very senior people, like the Secretary of State or the President. But in this case, it is a person without portfolio who is charged with critical negotiations. Why? Could it be that the President does not trust his own chosen Secretary of State? Could it be a clever maneuver by Steve Bannon to send his arch rival on a fool’s mission, to discredit him in the eyes of the clueless President?
Certainly I do not know why Kushner was dispatched, but it is highly unusual, and I am sure we would learn something if the reason were revealed. I am equally sure that no illumination will come from the pages of The Intercept.
Thanks for drawing attention to the interesting “Why Kushner?” question. Still, if I had to guess, I think the main reason is pretty prosaic.
Trump sees himself as a dealmaker. He would like to make a deal to settle the Israel-Palestine issue. And he wants to personally be the one to make the deal, not one of his subordinates. Now, in practice he’ll need others to do part of the work — to engage in preliminary talks, to do the hustle-and-bustle in the public eye that represents the public face of dealmaking, etc. — and Kushner’s doing some of that. The reason why it’s Kushner and not the Secretary of State is because Trump is not about to let someone with an institutional role get much sway over the dealmaking process or much of the public credit for the deal. Trump sees his dealmaking as circumventing the established institutions. When he delegates on dealmaking, it’s to people like Kushner who are loyal to him, and have no chance of getting a base of their own which might threaten him or his efforts to circumvent institutions. If he had delegated some of the dealmaking to his Secretary of State, as some previous presidents would have done, Trump would feel that would give too much strength to someone who has an institutional base and who might end up working with that base against him. In choosing who to delegate to, Trump isn’t making a methodical decision based on what has the best chance of achieving a deal. He wants to keep plenty of flexibility so that his status will be fine even if he never does make a deal, though he would certainly like the applause that he’d get if the deal was made. Trump is just going through Kushner because that helps him dance around the institutions while still having some chance, at least in his own mind, of making the deal. It’s not as if Trump would trust any other Secretary of State more than Tillerson: the distrust Trump has is for the established role and not the person, although certainly Tillerson the person has to deal with a steady stream of distrust from Trump due to the natural institutional legitimacy that Tillerson’s office gives him.
So Jeff, I think you’re not quite right when you say that Kushner is “charged with critical negotiations”. In Trump’s mind the critical negotiations will be done by himself alone. And if some relatively unimportant part of the work needs to be delegated, Trump thinks it’s essential to delegate it to someone who is reliably committed to supporting Trump’s evasion of the institutions which have their own legitimacy and standards.
As for what kind of deal that Trump wants to make, he basically just wants to make THE deal that settles the Israel-Palestine issue, or at least settles it in the eyes of most of the Americans who are going to vote for him. I doubt he cares much about any of the specifics of what this deal will be like, as long as it is perceived by his Americans as THE deal. Or to be more precise, when he has any preferences about what a deal should look like, these preferences are always subject to being molded by what he determines will help him succeed with his voters. In this, his priorities are basically the same as most other presidents — his approach of circumventing institutions is unlike most presidents, but that’s just a different tactic to achieve the same goal that he shares with other presidents.
So if, like the Intercept’s Robert Mackey, you’re troubled by how Jared Kushner’s actions on his trip reflect a questionable standard for terrorism that tends to be too eager to see Muslims as terrorists — well then, that’s not something you’re going to change by focusing on Kushner or even Trump. You can change it only by changing what Americans in general think, and the way to do that is to present facts, human experience and arguments about what is really happening to Israelis and Palestinians. That work of presenting facts, human experience and arguments has not been done enough. Until it is, tut-tutting about how Kushner misdefines terrorism isn’t going to accomplish anything except to reinforce Trump opponents’ self-righteous self-isolation from the voters who decide elections.
Agreed; especially about the parts concerning Trump’s ego and desire to close a deal, no matter what the terms. If Kushner and Netanyahu decide that the deal should be US aid in building extermination camps and nuking Iran, then the American sheeple will be quite happy with that.
Your assessment of “senior people” who have “portfolios”
somehow having more credibility than Kushner is misguided.
I cannot think of a single Secretary of State from over the past 30 years
who I would trust any more than I would trust Kushner.
They are all servants of the same crap. Their negotiating and
ass-kissing may appear less blatant than Kushner’s,
but none of them reached their powerful positions without
creating portfolios full of the same crap as Kushner promotes.
They may be better liars than Kushner, but that is a standard
I would love to live without.
As the downward spiral toward the abyss accelerates, it becomes ever more fashionable to discount the value of expertise at any level and in any field. Rick Perry and Donald Trump can make statements about climate change that are accepted with the same credibility as those who have spent lifetimes educating themselves in the disciplines necessary to properly collect, model and analyze climate data; and now we have a real estate dude, by all appearances completely ignorant of the complex history of the Middle East, serving as an envoy to forge a “deal” to end a conflict a hundred years in the making. All without even consulting the other side!
Sorry, but I would prefer someone like John Kerry, who despite your opinions is by any measure a man of honor who has stood up for his principles even when it brought derision upon him. But I would agree with you, nobody in the current administration has any more knowledge of the problem than can be gleaned by spending an afternoon on Twitter or lunching with the lobbyist from B’nai Brith.
Mr. Mackey
Hadas Malka is a civilian police officer (IMHO) therefore, she was killed in an act of terrorism. It’s really a moot point, however, since Palestinians attack civilians and military alike. In addition, the three attackers are unlawful combatants since they did not follow the laws of warfare i.e., they don’t wear any identifiable marker or uniform which separates them from the civilian population. It seems that the term terrorism fits the crime in this case.
Ah how times change. When a German policeman was killed in occupied Paris during WW2, it was an act of resistance, and the perpetrator a freedom fighter. In more recent times, when a member of Irgun killed a British policeman in Jerusalem, it was again an act of resistance (in the eyes of the Zionists). But now when an Israeli policewoman is killed in occupied Jerusalem by one of its legal inhabitants, it is somehow an act of terrorism.
You should be careful about your characterization of unlawful combatants, my friend, because it includes both legitimate groups (like the French Resistance) and terrorist organizations (like Irgun).
May I remind you that Jordan occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank from 1948 to 1967, during which time it expelled all the Jews.? When Israel retook those areas (which the U.N. called “disputed territories” and not Palestine), they established border patrols but they did not expel any Palestinians. There is no comparison.
Jordan occupied those areas as any victor would and expelled those who occupied those areas without permission. Since Israel “retook” those areas, the original inhabitants, the Palestinians, have had their lawful property taken by Israel, but, as you say, they were not “expelled” from the West Bank.
You certainly play games with words.
Please explain how Jews living in Jerusalem were occupiers. You clearly know nothing of the history of the area.
How you characterize the act of an unlawful combatant is irrelevant to whether the cause is just or not. Irgun may well have considered their cause just, but targeting civilians is still terrorism. Palestinian self-determination is also a just cause, but targeting civilian police is still terrorism in my opinion.
Fine, if you also accept that Israel’s collective punishment of Palestinians by regularly bombing Gaza, shooting West Bank occupants and dispossessing them of land and dwellings is also terrorism. BTW, the term “terrorism” was originally coined to describe the acts of the reign of terror instituted by the French state prior to the Revolution. It is surely Israel’s political aim to rid the land of all Palestinians, as is regularly, helpfully, admitted by the likes of Bennet, Smotrich, Shaked, et al (but not Netanyahu: he’s too canny to come out and admit it).
The police are the instruments of an illegal policy, and have volunteered for their roles, to boot. The “just following orders” routine was settled for all time at the Nürnberg Trials.
I find it sad that it is necessary to resort to violence, and sorry when a police officer is killed. But the Israeli regime has had a quite consistent policy of usurpation and expulsion for decades now, facilitated by many other countries with misplaced sympathy for the plight of the Jews. It has become clear to the world that nobody with the power to affect change cares about the Palestinians.
The irony is that the stated position of the last 4 administrations has been to not just undermine the human rights agenda by not only supporting the Apartheid regime, but to establish the precedent that a Crime Against Humanity can be made legal if you’re brutal enough and have effective UNSC veto power.
The difference between the Kushner/Trump position and the Obama position is equivalent to the difference between a rapist who tortures, and a rapist who tortures and mails.
“but to establish the precedent that a Crime Against Humanity can be made legal if you’re brutal enough and have effective UNSC veto power.”
Richard are you referring to Russia’s veto of the resolution to condemn Syria for using chemical weapons?
No, though a nice way to conflate a weak allegation about a single act, and a fully admitted to crime against humanity being official policy.
Rather like claiming that the Narcocartels reign of terror in Mexico is confuseable with one of those questionable drug ‘busts’ on the interstates where an out of state car is stopped for ‘matches the description’, searched on a dog ‘hitting’, and a Black university students arrested for just enough drugs being ‘found’ to make it a felony.
There have been multiple instances of Assad using gas against his people. And Russia has indeed vetoed UN resolutions against Syria. Face it agin you are outed as an apologist for Assad and a hypocrite.
“. . . Russia’s veto of the resolution to condemn Syria. . .” really has nothing to do with it. The piece is on Israel. But since you brought up the topic of vetoing UN Security Council resolutions, how many condemnations if Israeli behavior has the US vetoed? Last I knew it was 33, but I’ve lost count.
It is pretty clear to me that where the Middle East is concerned, the primary impediment to condemning Crimes Against Humanity by the UN is the good ole USofA.
I didnt bring it up. Richard did. But now that you responded how do you feel about Syria getting off for war crimes thanks to Russia’s veto?
The terrorist state of Israel, has got their own little ” yes doll “
Wondering if KidK has any affiliation with he FIDF; Friends of the Israeli Defense Force, I went to their site page
who we are..
Click on “our board and staff…?
http://www.fidf.org/page.aspx?pid=285
lmao..wow..it’s a secret..
Yes, semantics matter but it’s curious how you twice refer to her death as a “murder”. Seems to undermine your own argument that it’s dubious to call it a terrorist attack. If it’s not the latter it’s because as a soldier of an occupying army she was a valid target under international law. So, not terrorism but also obviously not “murder”.
It’s even worse than you think. Being a member of a hostile occupying force is the lesser reason that she was a legitimate target for deadly force. Being a voluntary member (yes, there is a universal draft, but there are also legal ways, even under Israeli regime laws, to avoid that, plus she had the option of avoiding the draft by leaving the country, and then there’s organizations the one totally moral act of refusing to serve and going to jail) that is engaged in using deadly force to commit a named Crime Against Humanity makes one a legitimate target for deadly force and a legitimate target for trial and sentencing by every signatory to the Geneva Conventions.
Israel doesn’t physically occupy the West Bank or East Jerusalem. In fact, nearly all of the West Bank is controlled by Arabs. There are border crossings to keep out suicide bombers and guards to protect the Jews of Hebron (one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world) because it is often under attack and, by the way, was under attack before Israel even existed.
And none of you acknowledge that the aim of the Muslims is to eradicate all the Jews and, in the meantime, have been busy getting rid of the Christians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Very good legalese; “Israel does not “physically ” occupy the West Bank”
Code for, Israel does not physically have geographical borders.
Sheesh..just Google settlements in the West Bank
https://www.google.com/search?q=map+of+settlements+in+the+west+bank&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS746US746&oq=map+of+settlements+in+the+west+bank&aqs=chrome..69i57.16529j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Funny how the fact that the proposals for a reunified Palestine are aimed at ‘eradicating all the Jews’ in exactly the same way that the proposals for a reunified South Africa were aimed at ‘eradicating all Whites’ (which is to say only in the propaganda of the supporters of Apartheid) escaped your notice.
But then again, you’ve also ignored what the Christians in Gaza and the West Bank have stated (that it is the violent and racist Apartheid policies of the Israeli regime that are killing them and driving them to leave, not their Muslim friends and neighbors who are suffering right alongside them) to substitute the propaganda of the supporters of Apartheid, so that you’re as completely misinformed as a climate change denier who says it’s a Chinese hoax is obvious.
Since October 2015, Palestinian assailants have killed 42 Israelis, two visiting Americans and a British student, mainly in stabbing, shooting and vehicular attacks. In that time, some 250 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire.
As US cities get old and dilapitated, it would be cheaper to hire israeli police to occupy and control these warn out cities by making use of the HB1b visa plan. These professionals could also be granted some sort of diplomatic immunity in case they kill protesters or rock throwers. Extrajudicial killings is becoming very fashionable today and the US would benefit from a summit comprised of US, israeli, and Philippine police. The US police have much to gain by such an arrangement as their own survival is being threatened by the likes of private forces like Tigerswan and Blackwaters.
And I wonder how many US diplomats stopped by to give condolences to those Palestinian families. Of course any killing by the IDF is self defense. Always.
ahhh.. there are also IDF “embassies ” throughout the USA..now they call them “chapters” actually,
http://www.fidf.org/page.aspx?pid=299
The cross-cultural exchange has already begun:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/12/us-police-get-adl-sponsored-counter-terror-training-in-israel/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/us-cops-trained-use-lethal-israeli-tactics
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/US-police-chiefs-visit-Israel-to-learn-counter-terrorism-techniques-463090
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/atlanta-mayor-rejects-demand-end-israel-police-training
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/
It’s a sort of Fulbright exchange of oppressive police tactics. Chalk one up for world peace! ;-)
We’re well on our way to a cross-cultural police exchange:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/12/us-police-get-adl-sponsored-counter-terror-training-in-israel/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/us-cops-trained-use-lethal-israeli-tactics
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/US-police-chiefs-visit-Israel-to-learn-counter-terrorism-techniques-463090
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/atlanta-mayor-rejects-demand-end-israel-police-training
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/
Instead of H-1B visas, I recommend J-1s. It will be a kind of Fulbright exchange for oppressive policing. Chalk one up for world peace;-).