Factually false assertions about Donna Brazile, the DNC, and WikiLeaks documents were widely spread this week by U.S. journalists.
There is ample talk, particularly of late, about the threats posed by social media to democracy and political discourse. Yet one of the primary ways that democracy is degraded by platforms such as Facebook and Twitter is, for obvious reasons, typically ignored in such discussions: the way they are used by American journalists to endorse factually false claims that quickly spread and become viral, entrenched into narratives, and thus, can never be adequately corrected.
The design of Twitter, where many political journalists spend their time, is in large part responsible for this damage. Its space constraints mean that tweeted headlines or tiny summaries of reporting are often assumed to be true with no critical analysis of their accuracy and are easily spread. Claims from journalists that people want to believe are shared like wildfire, while less popular subsequent corrections or nuanced debunking are easily ignored. Whatever one’s views are on the actual impact of Twitter Russian bots, surely the propensity of journalistic falsehoods to spread far and wide is at least as significant.
Just in the last week alone, there have been four major factually false claims that have gone viral because journalists on Twitter endorsed and spread them: three about the controversy involving Donna Brazile and the Democratic National Committee, and one about documents and emails published by WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign. It’s well worth examining them, both to document what the actual truth is, as well as to understand how often and easily this online journalistic misleading occurs.
The Clinton/DNC agreement cited by Brazile only applied to the general election, not the primary.
On Wednesday, Politico published a blockbuster accusation from Brazile’s new book: that the DNC had “rigged” the 2016 primary election for Hillary Clinton through an agreement that gave Clinton control over key aspects of the DNC, a claim that Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., endorsed on CNN. The Clinton camp refused to comment publicly but instead contacted their favorite reporters to publish their response as news.
The following day, NBC published an article by Alex Seitz-Wald that recited and endorsed the Clinton camp’s primary defense: Brazile was wrong because the agreement in question (a copy of which they provided to Seitz-Wald) applied “only to preparations for the general election” and had nothing to do with the primary season. That defense, if true, would be fatal to Brazile’s claims, and so DNC-loyal journalists all over Twitter instantly declared it to be true, thus pronouncing Brazile’s accusation to have been fully debunked. This post documents how quickly this claim was endorsed on Twitter by journalists and Democratic operatives, and how far and wide it therefore spread.
The problem with this claim is that it is blatantly and obviously false. All one has to do to know this is read the agreement. Unlike the journalists spreading this DNC defense, Campaign Legal Center’s Brendan Fischer bothered to read it, and immediately saw and documented how obviously false this claim is:
The NBC article that was originally used to spread this claim now includes what amounts to a serious walk-back, if not outright retraction, of the DNC’s principal defense:
DNC and Clinton allies pointed to the fact that the agreement contained self-justifying lawyer language claiming that it is “focused exclusively on preparations for the General,” but, as Fischer noted, that passage “is contradicted by the rest of the agreement.” This would be like creating a contract to explicitly bribe an elected official (“A will pay Politician B to vote YES on Bill X”), then adding a throwaway paragraph with a legalistic disclaimer that “nothing in this agreement is intended to constitute a bribe,” and then have journalists cite that paragraph to proclaim that no bribe happened even though the agreement on its face explicitly says the opposite.
The Clinton/DNC agreement explicitly vested the Clinton campaign with control over key matters during the primary season: the exact opposite of what journalists on Twitter caused hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people to believe. Nonetheless, DNC-loyal commentators continue to cite headlines and tweets citing the legalistic language to convince huge numbers of people that the truth is the exact opposite of what it actually is:
Sanders signed the same agreement with the DNC that Clinton did.
To make the Clinton/DNC agreement appear benign and normal, the claim was quickly and widely circulated that Bernie Sanders had also signed the same agreement with the DNC as Clinton had. This, too, was false — in the most fundamental way possible.
Simply put, the agreement Sanders signed with the DNC — which the Sanders camp appears to have provided ABC News in order to debunk the claim — did not contain any of the provisions vesting control over the DNC that made the Clinton agreement cited by Brazile so controversial. As ABC News put it (emphasis added):
A joint fundraising agreement between the Bernie Sanders campaign and the Democratic National Committee — obtained Friday by ABC News and signed at the start of the primary campaign for the 2016 presidential election — does not include any language about coordinating on strategic decisions over hiring or budget, unlike a fundraising memo between the Hillary Clinton team and the DNC.
It’s possible that had Sanders wanted to invoke his funding arrangement with the DNC, and then signed a second agreement, it might have included similar control provisions. But it’s also possible that it would not have. We’ll never know, because it never happened. What we actually know for certain — what exists in reality — is that Sanders never signed any agreement with the DNC that contained the control provisions that were given in 2015 to the Clinton campaign. In other words, the provisions cited by Brazile in her “rigging” allegation did not exist in any contract signed with the DNC by the Sanders campaign.
Needless to say, a tiny fraction of those who were exposed to the original falsehood (Sanders signed the same agreement as Clinton) ended up seeing this fundamental reversal, because the journalists who promoted the original falsehood felt no compunction, as usual, to provide the less pleasing correction.
Brazile stupidly thought she could unilaterally remove Clinton as the nominee.
Yesterday, the Washington Post published an article reporting on various claims made in Brazile’s new book. The headline, which was widely tweeted, made it seem as though Brazile delusionally believed she had a power which, obviously, she did not in fact possess: “Donna Brazile: I considered replacing Clinton with Biden as 2016 Democratic nominee.” The article said Brazile considered exercising this power after Clinton’s fainting spell made her worry that Clinton was physically debilitated, and her campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”
Brazile — as a result of her stinging criticisms and accusations of Clinton, Obama, and the DNC — is currently Public Enemy No. 1 among Democrats in the media. So they seized on this headline to pretend that she claimed the power to unilaterally remove Clinton on a whim and then used this claim to mercilessly vilify her — the chair of Al Gore’s 2000 campaign, last year’s interim head of the DNC, and a long-time Democratic Party operative — as a deluded, insane, dishonest, profiteering, ignorant fabulist who lacks all credibility.
But the entire attack on Brazile was false. She did not claim, at least according to the Post article being cited, that she had the power to unilaterally remove Clinton. The original Post article, buried deep down in the article, well after the headline, made clear that she was referencing a complicated process in the DNC charter that allowed for removal of a nominee who had become incapacitated.
The Post then amended its story to reflect that she made no such absurd claim in her book, but rather noted that “the DNC charter empowered her to initiate replacement of the nominee” and that “if a nominee became disabled, she explains, the party chair would oversee a complicated process of filling the vacancy that would include a meeting of the full DNC.” The Post then added this note to the top of the article:
Journalists on Twitter spent hours yesterday mocking, maligning, and attacking the reputation of Brazile for a claim that she simply never made — all because a tweeted headline, which they never bothered to read past or evaluate, made them think they were justified in doing so in order to malign someone who has, quickly and bizarrely, become one of the Democrats’ primary enemies.
Evidence has emerged proving that the content of WikiLeaks documents and emails was doctored.
Last year, from the time WikiLeaks began publishing emails and documents from the DNC and John Podesta’s email inbox, Clinton officials and their media supporters have constantly insinuated, and sometimes outright stated, that the WikiLeaks documents were frauds because they had been altered. What was most notable about this accusation was how easily it would have been proven had it really been true. All anyone had to do was show the actual, original email that they sent or received, and then compare it to the altered WikiLeaks version, and that would have been proof that the WikiLeaks archive was unreliable.
But that never happened. Never once did any of the dozens of Democratic Party operatives who sent or received the emails published by WikiLeaks point to a single specific case of an alteration — something that, obviously, they would have eagerly done had they been able to. As Politico noted last year (emphasis added):
Clinton’s team hasn’t challenged the accuracy of even the most salacious emails released in the past four days, including those featuring aides making snarky references to Catholicism or a Bill Clinton protégé describing Chelsea Clinton as a “spoiled brat.” And numerous digital forensic firms told POLITICO that they haven’t seen any proof of tampering in the emails they’ve examined — adding that only the hacked Democrats themselves could offer that kind of conclusive evidence.
Similarly, when PolitiFact tried last year to fact-check the Clinton campaign’s claims that the documents were doctored, they noted: “The Clinton campaign, however, has yet to produce any evidence that any specific emails in the latest leak were fraudulent.”
Nonetheless, the desire to believe this persisted. And this week, Associated Press published a report that countless journalists seized upon to claim that proof finally had emerged that the WikiLeaks documents had been altered. The claim in the AP report is incredibly simple and limited. It does not involve any claim that WikiLeaks altered any documents, or that any of the emails it published were frauds; rather, the claim is that Guccifer, on one of the documents that he published, placed a “confidential” watermark that did not appear on another version:
The first document Guccifer 2.0 published on June 15 came not from the DNC as advertised but from Podesta’s inbox, according to a former DNC official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press.
The official said the word “CONFIDENTIAL” was not in the original document .
Guccifer 2.0 had airbrushed it to catch reporters’ attention.
There are so many reasons to question whether this actually happened. To begin with, the fact that one version of the document is without a “confidential” watermark doesn’t mean no version has one; it’s common to add watermarks of that sort for different purposes and different recipients. Moreover, AP’s only basis is an anonymous source claiming the document had been altered, along with the version that lacks the watermark. This is very far from proof that Guccifer “airbrushed it to catch reporters’ attention.”
But let’s assume for the sake of argument that Guccifer did, in fact, add a “confidential” watermark to this document to entice journalists to view the document as more appetizing. This does not remotely justify the claim that any of the documents and emails published by WikiLeaks were materially altered and were thus unreliable.
First, Guccifer adding a watermark to a document he circulated does not mean that any of the emails published by WikiLeaks in its archive was altered. It’s long been known that Guccifer altered the documents’ metadata to hide its path, but nobody ever tried to cite that as proof that anything published by WikiLeaks was fraudulent (indeed, PolitiFact cited Guccifer’s alteration of metadata when concluding there was no evidence that the WikiLeaks documents themselves had been altered).
Second, this has no bearing on the content of the emails or documents themselves published by WikiLeaks, which, to date, nobody has demonstrated have been altered in the slightest. Third, if it were the case that any of the emails or documents published by WikiLeaks were fraudulent, it would still be incredibly easy to prove: All anyone would have to do is produce the original and show how the WikiLeaks version was altered. Why — a full year after WikiLeaks began publishing these documents — has nobody done this, despite the overwhelming incentive that exists to expose this?
In sum, evidence that the content of any of the WikiLeaks emails was altered is nonexistent, while there is overwhelming reason to believe none has been (beginning with the fact that, as easy it would be to do so, no proof has been provided after all this time). Nonetheless, as a result of journalists’ conduct on Twitter this week, the false claim that emails and documents in the WikiLeaks archive were proven to be altered is now viral and will remain fixed in people’s belief system forever:
There’s no way to prove the negative, that no emails or documents published by WikiLeaks were altered. But one should demand actual evidence before affirming this claim. And despite the ease of providing that proof, and the long period of time that has elapsed, none has been provided. But, unsurprisingly, that did not stop the claim that it had been proven from going viral this week on Twitter — all based on the tenuous claim that Guccifer added a “confidential” watermark to one of the documents he circulated.
It can certainly be menacing for Russian bots to disseminate divisive messaging on Twitter. But it’s at least equally menacing if journalists with the loudest claim to authoritative credibility are using that platform constantly to entrench falsehoods in the public’s mind.
The Clintons and their crowd are the parasites who turned the party of FDR and Kennedy, into the party of the rich, the corrupt and the well-connected, peddling Ivy League dilettantes, third generation political hacks and Wall Street bagmen.
America stopped voting for that crap in 2010, led by the poor, working class and everyone else who got burned in the economic crash. And yet after 4 straight losing elections that have left them with the fewest elected officials in 90 years, these cretins still cling to power and continue to smother all voices but their own.
I will never vote for anyone who makes me wonder for a minute whether they are a neoliberal, Clinton-clone Democrat.
In your delusional rant you seem to imply that FDR and Kennedy were working class heroes. Of course they were the epítome of the monied, East Coast, Ivy League elite. And of course Joe Kennedy bought his son’s senate seat. But you froth at the mouth at the mere mention of Clinton. You don’t want to hear this, but the aging baby boomer whites in this country in 2016 took a nasty swerve to the right egged on by Trump’s racist dog whistles and Russian trolls.
Fair weather socialist Bernie Sanders had to have known that DNC folks were hacking our democracy by letting him caucus (and primary (and convention (and endorse (and Unity tour)))) with it. Yet he had no qualms about himself being used to take Elizabeth’s place.
Brazille’s revelations were no news to anyone who didn’t drink the Clinton Koolaid. That’s why the last election featured the two most unpopular politicians in America.
And that’s also why 44% of the electorate voted third party or just stayed home. More or less the same number of people who didn’t work in 2016.
The party of FDR forgot about joblessness in the worst economy since the Great Depression. The poor and working class stopped voting for them. And now the Party of Clinton has the fewest elected officials in 90 years.
Have you gotten the message yet?
DNC primaries look suspiciously similar to Russian elections.
Conclusion: the Russians did it !
None of these falsehoods tossed in Neera Tanden style, are good for Mrs Clinton’s presently declining health-
The self worth hits Hillary takes each time the lying fails to resurrect buries her deeper into self ruin-
Pitiful lot-
I do not understand all this uproar…She was democrats candidate…Sanders, who I supported is Soc. democrat and run as independent on DNC back. I’m no Dem. of Rep. I’m more left than any of you and I’m free of any lenience.
More ,it looks as Salome’s wails..countless on our way to revel snake nest.
No matter if we blame social media like Twitter, or the sad state of American journalism, authoritarian mindsets, or even Russian trolls, it looks like the end result might be the devaluation of actual facts in politics.
I think the “rigged the primary” is actually the favorable story to the Clintons…..better than “rigged the entire party apparatus for a number of years to chase legitimate opponents away from the primary itself” story that is reality. Sanders was a patsy, a tomato can there to lose to Clinton….and she still had a hard time putting him away.
Examining the wikileaks emails, it appears Sanders was ‘allowed’ to be in the primaries only because they thought he had zero chance, due to his socialist label. The DNC did have 3 other superb democratic candidates, but they were barred from the debates. Good old Hillary. http://bit.ly/rocky2016-fraud
It is sad to see Greenwald turn in to a garden-variety troll. He’s actually smart enough to do better and never seemed lazy, and I really don’t understand why he doesn’t.
Oh well. There are other, actually honest journalists left.
Glenn’s article is solely concerned with exposing dishonest journalism. That it’s so plainly upset you shows how committed you actually are to honest journalism.
Some prefer a sideshow, that is politics and reporting today. They don’t want real news or truth, only to be entertained. An escape from our horrible reality.
Jamie, Glenn Greenwald is one of the most honest journalists there is left.
Jamie, your statement indicates to me a complete lack of comprehension of Glen’s article.
C’mon Glenn- can’t prove a negative?? I don’t think you really mean that. Its an old canard that’s not true- and I can prove it…
People should not wonder how institutions of civil society in Germany were gradually bent to the will of the Nazi movement.
There really should be an annual “Joseph Goebbels Award” to publicly name influential journalists who are particularly willing tools to spread political propaganda.
Meanwhile, it appears Glenn Greenwald remains the next best thing.
Progressive Europeans showed up on the doorstep of the National (as in NPR, NARAL, NOW) German Socialist Workers (as in Workers.org, Working Families) Party no less exuberantly than American liberal leftists do today at that of the DNC. And later equally cowed, they frantically disavowed their later shamed leadership (Clintons, Barack Obama) no less speedily in reaction to growing public disapproval.
As DSA hopefuls can’t resist the siren call of borderless global adventure, they too will be abandoned by their embarrassed electorate, chastened by a disapproving isolationi-… noninterventionist citizenry. Progressive fingers again pointed away from themselves as always in accordance with their Post-Nuremberg Playbook.
In his widely read book, “The True Believer”, Eric Hoffer cited an interesting example of his central premise that extremists of all stripes are more like each other than any are like normal people. And that most political battles are fought out by opposing extremists over the heads of the great majority of people who are in the “middle”.
Hoffer said the conquering Soviets administering East Germany were surprised to discover former enthusiastic Nazis became the most dedicated converts to communism.
People who wonder why Putin and his party have dominated Russian politics overlook the fact that his party explicitly disavows any ideological basis for governing.
This leaves Putin and other party candidates free to propose and promote practical policies which are guided by the facts at hand, unburdened by any ideological litmus tests. Those proposals cannot be meaningfully attacked on ideological grounds by others (like the rump Communist Party).
Political ideology is always the sweet poison pill which citizens in the West must swallow every time they cast a vote. They cannot merely choose a candidate without having to implicitly endorse some nominal (usually fictitious) ideology and all the baggage that comes with it.
This surprises you? That former adherents of the Socialist German Workers Party would embrace more socialism?
is Glen a Russian troll, his has major mistruths in a article about mistruths, let us go back an examine every time he was wrong about Russian, can I add another lifetime to my account, remember he helped the commies to begin with
Never happened yet. Indeed, he’s been entirely right about the sickness of the Russia hysteria.
Talk about a swamp–Twitter is a swamp. Facebook too. And while it’s obvious that folks can be manipulated through tools such as Cambridge Analytica or bots, we need to stop and take a look at the *inherent* failures of using platforms like Twitter and Facebook to disseminate news. All of this coming from one of many Millenials who have decided to take a biiiig step back from social media.
It’s impossible to stop – except for the individual stopping participation, of course. And it’s not a bad thing, it’s just young, foolish, and immature – like a toddler. It will grow up in time – or, at least, if there is any hope for our species whatsoever.
The “Social Media” is nothing more than a “GOSSIP BOARD’, hi tech, but Gossip.
We have always had gossip, Always will, Some call it Politics.
this particular millenial never understood the draw of “social” media in the first place.
it seemed to me to be nothing but a information vacuum for the power elite and national security state.
sincerely former us army sigint analyst.
I have little doubt that Glenn’s fulsome defense of the necessary use of logic in discerning whether or not Wikileaks published altered e-mails from the DNC and others which pertain to the campaign will be met with charges of favoritism as Glenn once assisted Snowden, a truth-telling contemporary of Assange.
I realize I give the gathering mob further opportunity to howl, but Brazile discussed this subject on MSNBC this morning.
She made an incredible offhanded comment about the Russian hacking of Dems that I hadn’t heard before. Apparently Russian hackers not only erased but also modified Dem information.
Russians Are Everywhere. Fortunately they utterly failed to hack Virginia’s democracy last night.
Under Democratic Socialism, talents get the recognition they deserve.
Bernie sincerely endorsed Hillary, so he agreed she was in fact the better candidate.
Bernie endorsed Hillary with his patented side-eye. He then proceeded to govern as an Independent, despite all of the pressure to remain a Democrat in name only.
So he endorsed a Democrat, he caucuses with Democrats, he’s on Democratic ballots, as a Democrat, and he participates in Democratic primary debates, and he speaks from Democratic convemtions, and he tours the country with the head of the DNC, Tom Perez.
Bernie is a Democrat.
Yeah, Bernie 100% sincerely believed and still believes that Hillary was a better candidate than Trump. He was and is right.
He never endorsed Hillary over *himself*, which is the absurd thing your comment appears to imply.
Hillary Clinton is the personification of the cesspool that is Washington DC. Her rigging the Democratic Primary should come as no surprise to anyone. If the Dems had run Bernie Sanders, Trump wouldn’t be President.
Yes, the only good things about the CrookdClinton doublecross is that it got them out of the way, out of the dnc, got Trump elected and now what gets done— as Virginia stands with no association with CrookdClintons.
Very sad we lost SenSanders and his supporters had to pay the price. All his possibilities are now deferred.
But with CrookdClinton as VP,nothing more would get done than with PresTrump.
Now we can really see what the smooth talk covers, and is this really what people want? Now they are aware to decide, overcome all the silly talk.
Greenwald is currently on Fox, helping them distract from election results that are unfavorable to the Trump administration, by continuing this conspiracy theory ranting. Look at whose narrative you’re pushing, then look at who you’re standing with.
So, in your bubble, those exposing and detailing lies are “ranting about conspiracy theories”, while those conspiring to disseminate the lies are to be defended?
so truth and facts only matter if they support your personally favored narrative?
Thanks, Glenn. I’d started turning off all “information” about Brazile and the DNC, though the Clinton – DNC business has never smelled right to me.
You’ve done a great service.
Another great email from the Podesta email archives. Many people including Brazile said Wasserman was not a Good Manager. I beg to differ. I think Wasserman did exactly what she was put there at the DNC to do which is the following:
1. Agitate and tip the scales against Sander’s voters.
Let us not forget that after she was forced to resign, HRC commended her and gave her some honorary position.
And let’s not forget this reminder of her flawed strategy in the town hall interviews. Another nail in her coffin. http://bit.ly/hillarys-arrogance
Who are these offending “journalists”?
Hey Glenn,
I pretty much agree with a lot of what you wrote, but the bigger question is: who cares? There is nothing here that shows the primary was “rigged” in any way against Bernie Sanders. Clinton won 4 million more votes. In order for the “rigged primary” argument to work, you have to come up with some actual evidence of vote rigging…like, oh, I don’t know, hacking into the voting rolls, for example.
The average democrat doesn’t care that the DNC staff all secretly preferred Hillary Clinton because *we also preferred Hillary Clinton.* Nobody cares what the bankrupt DNC thinks about anything. The RNC all hate Trump’s guts – do you see any evidence that Trump’s base cares what the RNC thinks?
To Rig defined as 4. to manipulate fraudulently
Evidence of rigging: Having secret agreements to control the DNC that is suppose to remain neutral, but didn’t. The fact that they gave one set of agreements to the state parties for JFA and a separate agreement in an attempt to hide their activities if fraud. The funneling of cash from fundraising activities to the Brooklyn office is manipulation.
Also, HRC traded titles and delegate and super delegate status for the JFAs. So, she was essentially stacking the deck in her favor, at least in the case of New Jersey democrats.
Democrats have presented pretty compelling evidence that the Russians rigged the outcome in Hillary’s favor vis-à-vis Bernie so that when she went up against Trump she would lose.
?????????
compelling evidence? where? what? FB ads?
puh’lease… sell that stuff to the tourists.
The democrats have presented NO evidence. All they and the
“intelligence” community have presented are accusations and
assumptions – NO facts. The best they have is “High Confidence”
and if you accept “confidence” as evidence, then you are a
failure who should never be allowed on a jury.
This whole story about Russia first emerged from the mouth of
Robby Mook – a major player in this scheming and manipulation.
Please DO TELL what compelling evidence you’ve seen. Why wouldn’t Putin want Hillary to become president. After Uranium One, followed by $145M payment to Clinton Foundation on top of $500k payment to Bill for a speech in Moscow, along w/Podesta Group lobbying for lessening of sanctions on behalf of Russia, it makes no LOGICAL sense that Putin would have wanted a Trump presidency. He had too much blackmail material on Hillary, Bill & the Foundation.
Who cares? Obviously those Hillary supporters who are going to the trouble of spreading the lies mentioned in this article.
Superdelegates.
Explain how 100% of ‘superdelegates’ supported HRC… then explain how ‘superdelegates’ are democratic…
DNC was 100% rigged for Hillary… denial of this fact betrays a fatal hypocrisy that the Left has not yet confronted… the ends do NOT justify the means. Want proof? Nov. 08, 2016. The Left STILL hasn’t digested the magnitude of their poor judgement, period.
Perez thinks the DNC can just stroll into 2018 & 2020… somehow the Obama coalition to re-form & identity politics will be rehabilitated. LOL. Good luck with that.
Superdelegates are People’s Delegates, and are the purest expression of Democratic Socialism.
People’s Delegates are the vanguard that represents the interests of the proletariat against contra-Party hooligans like the fringe dissident and lunatic Sanders, who is an enemy of working families.
Having read a series of your comments, I find myself worrying about you.
Ma’am, half of this country who are eligible to vote DID NOT VOTE. A small percentage, but a percentage none the less voted for Jill Stein/. I voted for Jill Stein. Half of this country who voted, voted for Donald Trump. What Donna Brazile has brought to light is very important, because it tells voters that the DNC, Hillary Clinton, and people connected to that whole machine, including the media who continues to ignore FACTS are corrupt. It is important to know this news, because our Votes is our only power, our only voice.
The average democrat also doesn’t care that Crooked is the most corrupt politician in history or that she took over control of the party.
I can’t think of an online media outlet that personifies the lies and propaganda of neoliberalism as much as this website. Glenn, I would leave this rag immediately and let the low information children spew deep state talking points.
No argument at all then? How intelligent.
Really? You haven’t read Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Salon (most of the time)? Rolling Stone supported Clinton as well. I therefore quit reading it. Same with New York Times. And the New Yorker, after reading all the articles in it weekly for 8 years. They’ve all drank the Kool Aid and can’t help get this country out of the hole we’ve dug for ourselves.
Those publications’ support of Hillary unequivocally establish her progressive leftist bonafides.
Oh, I see, a gaslighter.
You must believe that those publications are something other than hard progressive left.
They are centrist and mildly progressive. No where near actual left. Nice try.
Anti-wall, open borders, immigration reform, health care law, gun control, DREAMer, Climate Change, tranny, Equality HuffPo, Kos, Salon, RS, NYT, New Yorker are…something other than hard progressive left. Got it.
Or are you just publicly embarrassed that the hard progressive left supports hard progressive leftist Hillary Clinton?
Thanks for delivering the facts (not opinions) Glenn – solid journalism.
I get the feeling that the White House whips up an opinion, hands it to the national news, and they read it for the first time on the nightly news.
It seems like those who report the news are more concerned with how they look and the dramatics of how they deliver than the actual content – like the movie NETWORK.
Does anyone remember the ‘so what’ and ‘move on’ campaigns deployed to counter Bill Clinton’s priapic problems?
It’s like everyone in the Demo party would always say ‘so what’ every time Bill Clinton’s issues were discussed, before pointing out that the gas prices were low. That was followed by the ‘move on’ campaign where everybody in the Demo party would enthusiastically state that all those issues were in the past and it was now time to ‘move on’. It’s where moveon.org traces its dark origins.
Good point. Who said moving on was always good? Who decided that. CrookdClinton
. Also PresObama had his version. (:-(
Move on is a silly little saying, appropriate only when one is directing traffic.
Throughout the campaigning of 2016, I was struck by how hard
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
and their parties
were trying to get each other elected.
Are Donna Brazile and the democrats
trying to make Trump and the republicans look better?
The democrats and republicans just keep looking more and more
alike. Are they so debauched and bored with the pretense of democracy
that they need to be even more sadistic in order to feel anything at all?
They are one party and it hates equal justice.
Not only was Fusion GPS paid by the DNC to create the “Russian Dossier”, but it seems Fusion GPS, also at the behest of the DNC, was paying MSM “journalists” to push the “Trump colluded with the Russians” narrative. Are
these journalists being paid to spread the disinformation that Greenwald has pointed out above…? If the House Intel Comm gets a look at Fusion GPS bank records we may find out…
Gekaufte journalisten…
The Republicans are distorting and lying about all this Democratic party malfeasance. I blame Trump, 100%.
No,…….200%.
My first thought was that 200% was unnecessary hyperbole, but then the wisdom of the comment came clear: one 100% refers to the reality fraction and the other 100% refers to the fantasy fraction.
RE: “There’s no way to prove the negative, that no emails or documents published by WikiLeaks were altered.”
Yes there is. The DomainKeys Identified Mail DKIM) signatures are intact on the damaging emails. DKIM technology is a cryptographically secure method of ensuring that documents are genuine. If properly signed, they cannot be repudiated.
google is your friend: “wikileaks clinton dkim verification” ==> 18,100 hits
The problem with Twitter is the limit on characters makes it hard to lie convincingly. A good lie needs a bit of misdirection and an alternative framing of the facts. It is hard to cram all of that into 140 characters. When they increase the limit to 280 characters, lying will be easier and the problem will go away.
Didnt julian confide in you who copied & delivered him the podesta emails?
You believe him, correct?
Then why not believe there was no russian elections interference? You call out journalists on their deceit, but not their Russian SCAPEGOATING deceit.
The propaganda WITCHHUNTER elite on cable tv & in newspapers are destroying our international trust.
Why not expose their recklessness on that matter, GLENN? MAN UP!
EXCELLENT journalism…keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, one of the favorite lines in the talking points to control the narrative is-
Bernie isn’t even a Democrat.
As if that makes the corruption and fraud acceptable.
The absence of ethics that justification exposes is so prevalent.
Bernie is a Democrat incarnate. He Unity toured with the DNC’s Perez, he sincerely and wholeheartedly endorsed the NYT pick, he debated in DNC primaries.
Must be demoralizing for you to have to see he is in fact a Democrat.
And nevermind Bernie is a Democrat incarnate. He debates in DNC primaries; his name appears on DNC ballots; he sincerely wholeheartedly endorses an NYT primary pick; he Unity toured with the DNCs head, Tom Perez.
Progressives’ delusional as always response is simply to just pretend all that doesn’t exist in order to save face.
Good article, but the tweets are just part of the coordinated effort to mislead readers/watchers.
Many other lies are being spread by journalism unrelated to tweets, by op-eds hammering on the same and other talking points, and in scripts read by the talking heads posing as journalists on tv.
It is interesting to note the identical wording being used to attempt to downplay the corruption and subversion of democracy from a vast array of sources. It would literally be impossible for that identical wording to occur without planning in a coordinated campaign.
The contradictions in the effort to placate/misinform angry Dems also jump out.
Rahm and countless others are simultaneously saying the claims are irrelevant, while Perez is promising to reform the process due to known, relevant problems.
As much effort as the establishment Dems are putting in trying to control the narrative, it is safe to assume the facts are damning and they know it.
re: Impossible for the wording to not be coordinated. The counter is that somebody tweets, people read it because they’re all addicted to reading the news and people latch onto wording that has impact. That’s not a conspiracy, that’s modern journalism that works at incredibly fast speeds some times. Most online journalists can whip out a quick article in less than fifteen minutes. Once one person posts effective wording, others read it then copy it. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but I am saying you 100% assumption that it’s a conspiracy isn’t’ 100% because there’s also a fairly logical explanation as to how wording spreads. Memes are infectious and memes are nothing but words with pictures. Journalists are used to their memes without pictures, they know when they see words that will activate people to share what they wrote.
Your suggestion that journalists and pundits who write for a living engaged in mass plagiarism… word for word repetition of talking points… in an attempt to pretend that those talking points weren’t devised for the purpose and disseminated is worth a good laugh.
The idea that a mass ethical lapse is “fairly logical” too.
So, those involved are guilty as charged, or according to you just ethically challenged parrots… but the evidence suggests both. Can’t have the former without the latter.
“Journalists and Democrat operatives”. Really Glenn, no need to repeat yourself.
Not all Democratic operatives are journalists hence the and between the two categories.
Nothing to do with this story…
What is Edward Snowden up to these days…very quiet….
Perhaps Snowden is really frustrated lately, as his messages are lost in the Russian meddling + Trump Presidency insanity.
I must admit that I am surprised that Glenn Greenwald fell for the Trump ” look over there, a squirrel” distraction and diversion.
Clinton is not the president nor is Sanders, Trump is and he is currently under investigation.
The Democratic Party has issues with which it must grapple, however, to continue to litigate Clinton is an inconsequential distraction for the chattering class.
And Mueller the Uranium One tarmac bagman still has come up with nothing on his goose chase, relative to the spelled out mission.
Nevermind the independent counsel law under which he was appointed by Obama holdover Rod Rosenstein expired in 1999, and he is, accordingly, operating extralegally. (Morevover he has a some conflict of interest issues surrounding the fact he’d wanted the FBI appointment that Trump passed him over for.)
Dream on. Hil-LIAR-eee is the usa’s Lady Mac Beth 2.0
Life imitates art.
It wont end well..
…wait for it…wait for it…
Comey testified under oath that he told Trump that Trump was not under investigation.
What gives you the idea that Trump is under investigation now when he was not then?
Trump is under investigation, that is how I got the idea that Trump is under investigation.
This whole controversy provides ample proof of the assertion that the moral and political legitimacy of the democrats has totally disappeared and that their corruption and ideology are redolent of a banana republic type oligarchy only in business for themselves and hostile to the public interest.
Extremely well put.
Saying that the Clinton/DNC agreement only applied to after the primary because of that one line in the agreement is like saying that “Citizen Kane” was not about William Randolph Hearst because the film said “any similarities to any people living or dead is purely coincidental.” It was obviously a CYA line to an agreement meant to apply to before the primary that gave preferential benefits to the Clinton campaign.
Excerpt from Washington Post’s article: Donna Brazille: I Considered Replacing Clinton with Biden in 2016 Nominee
“Brazile writes that she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home. She wonders whether Russians had placed a listening device in plants in the DNC executive suite.”
Why would a simple robbery gone bad illicit such fear? THIS is the revelation I would run with if I owned a newspaper.
It means Brazile considered Rich’s killing politically-motivated.
It should be evident to more readers nowadays that leftist, globalist newspaper owners don’t want readers to know that.
Maybe you should ask Alex Jones.
Selective arrangement of facts are designed to elicit certain responses.
For instance, from the Infowars link:
So to answer your question. … someone trying to use Brazile’s book to promote a conspiracy theory designed to shift attention from Trump’s collusion with Russia and to establish as factual criminal DNC subversion and murder.
Listen, Trump is being investigated. There is no need to distract from a ‘formal’ investigation that is covered by all the media. It is the ‘informal’ investigations that are never given their due weight.
I know another “rat”. One that was kept on against all logic, Imran Awan. DWS has retained private counsel in his indictment. Judical Watch is the only entity carrying this story.
https://youtu.be/zTcnjFFSRzE
Justice is not blind. Not in party politics, at least, when the players got big bank.
This book, I’m suspicious about the timing of it. I think they may try to spin Rich’s death on Russian boogeyman. I don’t usually watch Infowars, but I have watched this timeline /assessment a couple of times.
https://youtu.be/XUo7KzrURJA
I don’t trust Brazille as anything other than a soldier in the DNC organized crime syndicate. Her job w/CNN gave her a higher profile. Obama is forgiven too much. Trump, a devil, is out of his depth Hades(DC). Any tactical DC native would be working 24-7 to bring their G-men into this Awan scandel, getting a look at Seth Rich’s and Awan’s(DWS) laptop is critical.
As long as the Russian investigation game is playing, Trump would look like he’s behaving punitively. Not that he is that savy. Whoever has his ear is certainly telling him this. The Podesta Brothers played both sides of the field. They know where all the bodies are buried. Tony will never turn on brother John. Some watered down charges might stick to Tony. He’ll get pardoned.
The swamp is a big as the everglades.
That is the DNC spirit:
The Russians are everywhere…snipers and surveillance and listening devices.
Everybody should fear for her/his life….Putin is watching you.
The 17 US intelligence agencies on the other hand are there to protect you.
Best laugh of the day….
The disaster capitalists are everywhere, looking for a tragedy to create that they can profitably exploit.
One doesn’t have to be a black woman in America to be afraid. Ask anyone attending a concert in Las Vegas or a church in Sutherland what can happen if you’re not paying attention.
Putin isn’t the threat — Trump and his supporters are far more dangerous and deadly than some vain little Russian mobster.
2nd.
Precisely, and these milennials will fall for it hook, line and sinker. This ain’t the 70s when we were free thinkers. Alex Jones and all these Far Right maniacs would have never been able to get away with all of these conspiracies and a criminal like Donald Trump would have gone the way of Nixon…this younger generation is as dumb as a box of hammers – with sickles unfortunately. Alex jones is there to protect Trump and his cronies while they rape the country. Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are the distraction. And anyone believing the Seth Rich Conspiracy is an idiot.
Thanks to Glenn Greenwald. Many have pointed out the obvious bias and groupthink that exists in the Mainstream Media. Highlighting by example is far more effective (and irrefutable). Thank you for this and your continued excellence and candor. Both are in short supply these days.
Patsey the 12 Years a Slave slave gets the last laugh.
I doubt there are many Clinton loyalists who begrudge Brazile stealing debate questions to give Clinton a leg up … I always thought the bigger intrigue was that she thought Clinton needed the help and — of course — that Clinton would be happy to get that sort of “help” (I’d guess that Clinton never acknowledged receiving the e-mail much less using the “help” — she’s very good at stonewalling the obvious, even when it makes her look “untrustworthy”)
Book tour scheduled for Wisconsin (11/09) , Atlanta and Denver, Texas, then Boston (11/28)… think anyone will be allowed to ask a question?
Thank you, Glenn. Pretty tired of the bullshit being fed to us by the mainstream media. Objectivity in reporting needs to come back into vogue. Even with the most altruistic of intentions, slanting a story or propagating falsehoods hurts our society.
The perfect crime.
Sent from a HIGHER AUTHORITY …
KARMA.
https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Progressive-Supranuclear-Palsy-Fact-Sheet
As a short addendum to the comment below, a friend recently sent me this quote below by Emerson – it seems appropriate:
“A plain confession of the in-working of the All, and of its moral aim. The Indian mythology ends in the same ethics; and indeed it would seem impossible for any fable to be invented and get any currency which was not moral. Aurora forgot to ask youth for her lover, and so though Tithonus is immortal, he is old. Achilles is not quite invulnerable ; for Thetis held him by the heel when she dipped him in the Styx, and the sacred waters did not wash that part. Siegfried, in the Nibelungen, is not quite immortal, for a leaf fell on his back whilst he was bathing in the dragon’s blood, and that spot which it covered is mortal. And so it always is.
“There is a crack in everything God has made.
“Always, it would seem, there is this vindictive circumstance stealing in at unawares, even into the wild poesy in? ?which the human fancy attempted to make bold holiday, and to shake itself free of the old laws, — this back-stroke, this kick of the gun, certifying that the law is fatal; that in Nature, nothing can be given, all things are sold.”
Bravo Glenn!
“There’s no way to prove the negative, that no emails or documents published by WikiLeaks were altered.”
Yes. There is. DKIM Headers = https://support.google.com/a/answer/174124?hl=en
They’re on the bulk of the Wikileaks material.
From the explanatory link above:
“You can help prevent spoofing by adding a digital signature to outgoing message headers using the DKIM standard. This involves using a private domain key to encrypt your domain’s outgoing mail headers, and adding a public version of the key to the domain’s DNS records. Recipient servers can then retrieve the public key to decrypt incoming headers and verify that the message really comes from your domain and hasn’t been changed along the way.”
So, either mathematics and dual-key cryptography are a lie, or the DNC are full of liars.
I know where I put my money.
“There’s no way to prove the negative, that no emails or documents published by WikiLeaks were altered.”
Sure there is – check the original emails. “Negatives” are proven ALL THE BLOODY TIME. So tired of that terrible and inaccurate cliche.
Now, admittedly, that would be much harder now, since the original victims of the hacking have gone to such lengths to make it impossible to check… which suggests several things, NONE of which look good for the “victims”.
All that matters to Brazile and her literary agent is controlling the spin and hyping the hell out of this book. Look at what it has. Money. Politics. Power. Race. Racism. Sex? (yet to be seen). From Brazile to Sanders and others, everybody’s writing books to cash in on losing the 2016 race and cover their ass. Then, blame everyboy else for the failure. This is called “superior marketing”.
What you fail to mention is that Bernie’s two books do not in any way attempt to cash in on the election. They talk about what is wrong with our political system and encourage more people to get involved in politics. Unlike the others, Bernie doesn’t cast any blame on anyone. He attempts to inform us about politics and needed reform.
Excellent piece and I have one small quibble/question regarding the now infamous DNC/HFA memo. I had a lengthy argument with someone about it elsewhere and I conceded that I’d be willing to accept that even while it was drafted and signed during or before the primaries ended, the language is vague enough such that it is valid to interpret the highlighted section as such:
“The Clinton campaign will have access to ____, _____, and _____ (information collected DURING the primary), BUT only after the primaries are over and during the general election.”
I can’t find any legal or logical holes with that interpretation. It’s the HFA people being granted access to ALL primary related information AFTER the primary is over and ASSUMING that Clinton won. Can anyone explain why this might not be the case?
Also…
The statement highlighted in blue within the ‘tweet’ above – Sure it says “advance notice” or something to that effect, but if you take the whole sentence it really could still be interpreted as something that takes effect after the primary is over. The idea being that the DNC must provide the Clinton campaign with advance notice on any communication during the general election which involves any previous or current candidate to be the Democratic nominee.
What I’m getting at here is that I don’t read anything in the memo which amounts to a definitive conclusion that the Clinton campaign was going to be getting access to any of this information prior to the end of the primaries, and during the general.
I’m not interested in insulting rebuttals or claims of legal expertise without any actual analysis here. I want the opinion of someone who understands these things and is capable of reading critically and for comprehension the memo in question.
https://medium.com/@brianhanley_41165/new-documents-suggest-clinton-and-dnc-conspired-to-block-sanders-from-key-voter-database-a88907816443
In December 2015 (after agreement signed) before first primary, DNC blocked Sanders access to the voter data files based for a spill that was not Team Sanders’ fault (even as a similar spill had occurred in 2008, iirc, with no punishing/blocking) …
They also ruled out simple cooperations that imposed unnecessary financial and logistical demands by refusing the campaign access (for which there was also precedents) to Democratic party facilities.
I doubt my answer will meet your high standards, so please accept my apology in advance.
Perhaps, more in line with your inquiry — because the Brooklyn office of the Hillary Campaign had authority over expenditures, press releases and more (powers usually reserved for the candidate of choice after the convention), they had ongoing access to all that “data” accrued during the primary battles, which the Sanders’ (and any other contender’s) campaigns did not.
It’s about the money HFA raised for the state parties bundled with her own campaign fund raising. The money for state parties was sent to the state parties but then immediately forwarded to the DNC—while HFA then controlled. Brazile pointed out only .5% was spent by the DNC on state races and issues.
HFA engaged in a money laundering scheme to circumvent inidvidual campaign finance limits to her own campaign.
During the primaries the laundered money could have been used for Hillary consultants and camp followers. After the primary the “DNC” money could be used more openly for her.
During the primar
It’s likely those state party agreements were signed with a very different outcome promised (division of the spoils) … I hope some dogged soul is looking into how that sausage was made.
Outside the blue bubble, Middle America views the liberal media as nothing more than the Ministry of Propaganda for the Democrat party.
And when push comes to shove, the guard dog for the Clinton wing of the party against usurpers.
the maps of the “blue bubble” terrify me, particularly when self-identified Democrats and so-called progressives basically tell middle-America to ESAD … The Atlantic had an article about how the Republicans lost California (they deeply offended their longstanding culturally conservative Hispanic base of support with hysteria wrt “illegal immigrants”). I think the Democrats have similarly already lost many voters by yammering on about “identity politics” issues having forgotten about the challenge for many of putting dinner on the table and paying the rent.
Ok, a couple of things here, one very minor thing, which Mr Greenwald himself made a point of in the second to last paragraph. The other bigger, if not in actual contradiction to the article as a whole, which lives up quite well to Glenn’s most excellent standards. However, there is an underlying innuendo here, intended or unintended, emanating from the very first sentence. Addressing innuendo or prejudice is a very tricky proposition at best. It cannot be proved. (Patterns are always impossible to prove, actually – proof of probability is not proof in fact, a point that underlies the second to last paragraph in this article, also.) And there are many sophists here that are far better in the art than I, so I will present my thoughts and then put up my umbrella.
Firstly, absence of proof is not proof, as Mr Greenwald himself says, albeit AFTER the jury convincing innuendo that it should be considered. Well, sure, what else can one do to combat dishonesty – or the irresponsibility, as GG mentions, of journalists with agendas.
Even in science – take forensic tests by police or tests done in medicine – negative results are not actually proof. That something is not found does not mean that it is not present. Only positive results are proof and even then, ONLY of the presence of the item found.
I had one of the strongest bacteria still responsive to anti-biotics in my body and two hospital cultures failed to detect it, over a span of time in which I just got sicker and sicker. Finally, in a private clinic (that I was still insured for in the good old days when I could still remember what money looked like), a THIRD culture detected the presence of this bacteria. (I’ll leave it at that, but I can hear the arguments coming already.)
Secondly, and far more importantly, the very first sentence of this essay is, “THERE IS AMPLE talk, particularly of late, about the threats posed by social media to democracy and political discourse.”
The ensuing article does nothing to counteract the implications of this sentence. My answer is, well, yes, of course there is, but NONETHELESS, social media is the best thing that ever happened to democracy and political discourse.
That’s my contention, or assertion if you will, and so far, I’ve seen nothing to dissuade me or convince me that world’s ruled over in secret are any better for us as cultures and societies. I’m open to argument on the matter, but all the equivocating in the world does not actually threaten the original position.
As the Chinese saying states, “Every front has a back; the bigger the front, the bigger the back.”
With that in mind, of course there are downsides to social media. Of course, of course, of course. But any cure I’ve come across to the disease has thus far seemed to me to be worse than the disease.
In the sense of this assertion, nothing, absolutely nothing in this article persuades me otherwise. It’s very existence almost proves my point. In the entire history of cvilisation, if not back to the development of agriculture, at least since the Renaissance and Reformation, lies could live unchallenged and be believed by every citizen without so much as a whiff of the kind of information that can be availed of on social media (and elsewhere, obviously) by people like Mr Greenwald so as to be able to even present the convincing arguments about four facts that he has presented here.
Let’s just be careful of flawed inductive reasoning here. Four facts does not support any general statement.
That there are four major falsehoods does not mean social media is bad, just that it ALSO enabled four major falsehoods. If anyone thinks journalism was more honest, say, half a century ago, I suggest they go study the reporting done after and surrounding the JFK assassination. Or more easily, perhaps, study the history surrounding the release of The Pentagon Papers and its significance – and yet, how many people actually ever read so much as a single page of the papers themselves? History is replete with secrecy and lies – social media has not changed anything and it certainly is not the underpinning of secrecy and lies. On the contrary, I contend, social media is ultimately the cure.
One does not tell children not to learn to read, not to read books, nor does one withhold mountains of books from them (though people have tried, no question). And this in spite of the fact that children are going to misunderstand everything anyway and get it all wrong. It is Education’s job to teach children how to think. That education does not do this, especially (in the US, at least) since Jimmy Carter and all who succeeded him, is not the fault of the children, but of the Morlocks… excuse, me, I mean, of the system.
None of which changes the fact that reading is dangerous. A situation of being damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Furthermore, barring nuclear war sending us way way back in time, one cannot return to simpler times, one can only go forward. I just hope no one tries to “cure” social media, because cultures and especially species take a lot longer to grow up than human beings do. We need a bit of faith (as much as I remain reluctant to use such words in the company of progressives).
I’d like to supplement all the above with a quote from Emerson that a friend recently sent me:
“A plain confession of the in-working of the All, and of its moral aim. The Indian mythology ends in the same ethics; and indeed it would seem impossible for any fable to be invented and get any currency which was not moral. Aurora forgot to ask youth for her lover, and so though Tithonus is immortal, he is old. Achilles is not quite invulnerable ; for Thetis held him by the heel when she dipped him in the Styx, and the sacred waters did not wash that part. Siegfried, in the Nibelungen, is not quite immortal, for a leaf fell on his back whilst he was bathing in the dragon’s blood, and that spot which it covered is mortal. And so it always is.
“There is a crack in everything God has made.
“Always, it would seem, there is this vindictive circumstance stealing in at unawares, even into the wild poesy in? ?which the human fancy attempted to make bold holiday, and to shake itself free of the old laws, — this back-stroke, this kick of the gun, certifying that the law is fatal; that in Nature, nothing can be given, all things are sold.”
You’re right. The only cure to the epidemic known as “fake news” on social media is to be diligent in verifying information for one’s self.
Epistemic criticism must be a focus for anyone seeking clarity in the torrential flooding of information that is our modern reality.
What pisses me off is how many will dismiss your news stories and claim you’re a Russian bot/troll, Glenn -_- that level of logical fallacy is angering.
The leftist journalism is participating in their own destruction. The more of this they do the fewer and fewer people listen to what they have to say. And that is a good thing.
And EVERY SINGLE ONE of these viral fake news accounts is designed to protect and defend the democrat party.
Is it any wonder that the media is now accurately thought of as a democrat political arm.
Thanks for bucking the trend Glenn
Somehow I don’t think that Glenn would view you as an ally or honest broker in fact, even if you both mistrust the DemocratIC party. Your tells are as obvious as your trolling.
Glenn just hates Hillary more than Putin does.
Great, more fuel for the Trump camp. If the DNC put it’s finger on the scale for Hillary—weakening Bernie’s chances, and the Dems/media not acknowledging is giving republicans more ammo.
Thank you Glenn for this and everything else. It is so sad that Amy Goodman badgered Julian Assange this week to the point of extreme annoyance. She is now thoroughly in the “Russia, Russia, Russia” open ward of the MSM of America save for Fox and RT. Somebody got to her and she snapped like a twig. She always looks in bad health but now it has spread to her mind her mind.
Ben Garrison is the natural heir to Pat Oliphant. “Ships deserting a sinking rat”:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN9eKiIVoAApT05.jpg:large
Matt Taibbi on why Brazile’s revelations – and continuing efforts to relitigate the 2016 elections – are still important:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/taibbi-why-donna-brazile-book-on-hillary-clinton-primary-matters-w511099
I would argue that primary challengers who openly embrace the status quo, and who don’t actually represent a serious challenge to the elite consensus succession or agenda, will be accepted just fine. But anyone to the left of that, or who appears to represent the wishes of the populace at large, or who cannot maintain the accepted elite language/narrative that provides cover, will be axed at any and every opportunity. We are seeing this in the down-ballot election campaigns being waged right now. Just like we’ve seen it in the past.
Thanks for posting this, Pedinska. I really do appreciate it. It is an excellent article.
Now, if we can just get Sanders the courage to leave the Democratic Party and take his followers with him. ie….burn down the forest in order to make way for greener pastures.
It is my understanding that Sanders was an Independent, not a Democrat, until he changed his party affiliation to be able to run as a Democrat for President, in their primary. After failing to gain the nomination, he changed back to being an Independent, as he is registered today.
As such, he cannot again leave the party; he did so long ago, and although he has many followers, I don’t believe many will follow him off the cliff in 2018 and 2020 by NOT voting Democrat.
It’s definitely reasonable to assume that not all of his followers would lead the Democratic party. But this is what should be done whether or not it fails.
The simple act of actually trying to draw voters away from the party will force them to either A) change back to being small donor based, or B) force liberals to find a new home.
It’s obvious that the Democratic party doesn’t want to entertain that wing of the party any further and prefers a Top Down approach to governing.
Brazile’s “revelations” and his part in keeping them under wraps (imho, pragmatically justifiable) may be a tipping point (and I don’t think this was some “ulterior motive” by Brazile — who “chose” Biden/Booker as the possible Clinton/Kaine replacement ticket.)
I don’t know what she thinks now … I think Biden is nonstarter (he’d be a McCain — bomb-bomb-bomb Russia/Iran/Korea — redux). Always an optimist (not for years now), I might hope that Brazile can disrupt the automatic pilot voters (“who else are they going to vote for???”) …
Clinton’s failure to provide states with money for get-out-the-vote will (hopefully) cause some unease, particularly after promising to rebuild the party from the ground up (GOTV is very visible to voters and, I’d guess, the reason for many state level contributions).
I’m curious how many defeats by candidates benefiting from massive out of state contributions it will take before they figure out why they keep failing … Good Morning Virginia …
Thank you for the link!
Haven’t read it yet, but I will say it started while Jimmy Carter was still president. Not to say things were exactly angelic before then.
But let’s face it, the patient is terminal. That’s that. No cause for alarm, but the people around now are going to suffer. Let’s hope that in X hundred years, quantum mechanics will have altered the workings of the brain itself in our young. Then maybe a couple thousand years after that, we’ll have begun to actually grow up.
Thanks again, I look forward to reading it (based on your choice of excerpt AND the fact that I like Taibbi).
I will say it started while Jimmy Carter was still president. Not to say things were exactly angelic before then.
I agree and that is why I bolded the first bit. In my first draft of this comment I also referenced the fact that the seeds were planted a loooong time before 2016. Then I looked at this,
The word openly seems to indicate that Taibbi is aware that the process has had a much longer genesis, so maybe he was just focusing on this point because of the overt changes in tactics which I agree are disturbing (though hardly surprising given how people in power go about preserving their own perquisites).
[quote]Then I looked at this,
[quote]This is when establishment Democrats began to openly lose faith in democracy and civil liberties and began to promote a “results over process” mode of political thinking.[/quote]
The word openly seems to indicate that Taibbi is aware that the process has had a much longer genesis…{/quote]
Excellent comments from both of you.
Thanks for the article. I like Taibbi, but he seems to be exaggerating how much this anti-democracy sentiment among D.C. elites is a new phenomenon. To the contrary, it’s been that way for decades.
The difference is the extent to which one candidate controlled the party apparatus and the level of exposure that the endemic corruption is receiving.
There were two insurgent candidates who were opposed by the leaders of their respective parties. One, Donald Trump, managed to overcome the efforts of the GOP gatekeepers and win the nomination and presidency. The other, Bernie Sanders, was cheated out of the nomination by a corrupt DNC that succeeded in doing what they always try to do which is to present the nomination on a silver platter to the corporatist, militarist, and otherwise lapdog to the Establishment candidate.
The disturbing trend that Democrats, and some Republicans, seem to be embracing is the idea that the election of Donald Trump was such a dangerous aberration, that we have to drastically curb democracy in the future so that insurgent candidates have even less of a chance at the nomination that they have had in the past.
I think the notion of “democracy” in American politics over much of the past century, at least at the national level, has been a ruse. A quote from Carroll Quigley seems apropos:
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy”
This is why I don’t believe in democracy. I believe in individual liberty and private property rights. I believe in the abolition of the central State and subsidiarity, with political organization done at the most local level possible.
Honest leftists like Taibbi somehow think that we can have a powerful central State funded by income taxation and central bank-created fiat money, yet have it regulated by democratic elections so that politicians work for the benefit of average people rather than the rich and powerful.
I’ve come to the conclusion that this is simply impossible. Progressives try to get the State to function in a way that is contrary to it’s nature, and thus the outcomes of their political action is almost always the opposite of their professed principles.
Elizabeth is afraid of Hillary, and won’t run as long as Clinton’s profile is so prominent, which is always.
So why do progressive leftists keep enabling HRC by willfully reinforcing her lies?
im not aware of leftists reinforcing clinton.
Keep doing that. Governor-elect Ed Gillespie, for one, thanks you tomorrow night.
keep doing what? do you have any names of “leftists” reinforcing clinton?
Glenn you are working with a bunch of childish snowflakes. You need to leave the Intercept. It has become nothing more than neoliberal propaganda for its billionaire owner. You are shredding your reputation by working for this neoliberal disinformation machine.
To Jamie,
Thank god for Glenn Greenwald a real critical thinker who has the brains, patience and experience to uncover all this most disturbing corruption of the democratic party. Like Glenn says, it does not take a lot of investigation to find out that what the democrats and their reporters are putting out there in defense of or accusations against anyone who is accurately critical of their methods. The Democratic Party is not interested in the truth. Even in the small town I live in, the Democratic Party is ugly, and attacks the progressives in unthinkable ways.
The democrats are un-reformable because they will not look at within for their problems.
The other side of this is that it gives Trump more support from his supporters, because in this he is correct, MSM is fake news – and his criticisms of Hillary Clinton are true. It is so disturbing that the most corrupted, liar, cheat and scoundrel is the President of the USA – It is very clear the Democratic Party and MSM helped get him elected along with our corrupted election process. Trump is America with the mask off – it didn’t just happen overnight.
Go on back over to Zero Hedge. There is a new conspiracy article up about the mass shooting in Texas.
Please publish my long comment commencing a thread. I see that another post has appeared SINCE I wrote my comment.
Terry5135
Terry,
If you inserted more than 1 link in your comment, it might take up to 24 hours to post. There has been some technical difficulties at this site. Just an FYI.
Cheers.
Thank you for the reply, Galactus. There were no links. However, it was ~1,100 words and perhaps that’s too long. (I guess I ought to read the comments policy.)
Can I wait for the paperback version….;) (joking)
Look forward to it. ;)
If you’re looking forward to it, it’s sure going to be an anti-climax, lol. A better writer would have said as much and better in a few hundred words. But I’m too lazy to edit – and not very well – so I’ll just repost in two parts.
I didn’t notice the limit in the Comments Policy, which means nothing since I’m a careless reader at the best of times.
Galactus, I posted the same thing twice – my apologies for my impatience. I thought maybe I could not reply to myself when it didn’t appear for a while, so I just made a new post entirely – I see that latter has now appeared also. Please feel free to delete it. I don’t mind writing paperbacks but I don’t want to compound things by being redundant (or, at least, too much so). Also, where can I find instructions on formatting? Please and thank you. :-)
formatting is done by using “” symbols with a key inside them surrounding your text. Example of blockquoting would look like this
(Less the !!! symbol.) The backslash is used to end the formatting “/” This will appear as follows:
For bolding use the letter “b” inside . To end bold, and ends with , (minus the spaces)
Italics uses an “i” within the . That’s all I know. hope this helps.
Sorry…..looks like the operator didn’t show up. — less the minus sign ends the formatting.
In case this doesn’t work….the symbols being used are the “More Than” and “Less Than” symbols that appear from Shift comma “,” and Shift “.” period.
Terry,
Here is a website that I found that helped me out.
https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
Look at the examples for Bold and Italics. For blockquoting, you simply use the word, “blockquote” inside the operator. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your efforts. Yes, I’m familiar with HTML – or I used to be. I was ruined by all those forums and message boards which used brackets instead of < and > (or perhaps I need to type & I just did a lengthy post and none of the quoting worked – so things have changed over recent years, or my memory fails me.
Ok, live and learn. For your info, the way to type the less than and greater than is to type < ampersand-l-t-semicolon and > is ampersand-g-t-semicolon. In both cases, without the hyphens. The second time, to test, I stuck the html name within those same symbols, ie, < phrase > and it didn’t show up. I don’t know what happens if I do that without a space and since there’s no preview here or edit function, I don’t want to waste time or your space. But thank you again. I’ll remember.
Ok, a couple of things here, one very minor which Mr Greenwald himself made a point of in the second to last paragraph. The other bigger, if not in actual contradiction to the article as a whole, which lives up quite well to Mr Greenwald’s most excellent standards. However, there is an underlying innuendo here, intended or unintended, emanating from the very first sentence. Addressing innuendo or prejudice is a very tricky proposition at best. It cannot be proved. (Patterns are always impossible to prove, actually – proof of probability is not proof in fact, a point that underlies the second to last paragraph in this article, also.) And there are many sophists here that are far better in the art than I, so I will present my thoughts and then put up my umbrella.
Firstly, absence of proof is not proof, as Mr Greenwald himself says, albeit AFTER the jury convincing innuendo that it should be considered. Well, sure, what else can one do to combat dishonesty – or the irresponsibility, as GG mentions, of journalists with agendas.
Even in science – take forensic tests by police or tests done in medicine – negative results are not actually proof. That something is not found does not mean that it is not present. Only positive results are proof and even then, ONLY of the presence of the item found.
I had one of the strongest bacteria still responsive to anti-biotics in my body and two hospital cultures failed to detect it, over a span of time in which I just got sicker and sicker. Finally, in a private clinic (that I was still insured for in the good old days when I could still remember what money looked like), a THIRD culture detected the presence of this bacteria. (I’ll leave it at that, but I can hear the arguments coming already.)
Secondly, and far more importantly, the very first sentence of this essay is, “THERE IS AMPLE talk, particularly of late, about the threats posed by social media to democracy and political discourse.”
The ensuing article does nothing to counteract the implications of this sentence. My answer is, well, yes, of course there is, but NONETHELESS, social media is the best thing that ever happened to democracy and political discourse.
That’s my contention, or assertion if you will, and so far, I’ve seen nothing to dissuade me or convince me that world’s ruled over in secret are any better for us as cultures and societies. I’m open to argument on the matter, but all the equivocating in the world does not actually threaten the original position.
As the Chinese saying states, “Every front has a back; the bigger the front, the bigger the back.”
With that in mind, of course there are downsides to social media. Of course, of course, of course. But any cure I’ve come across to the disease has thus far seemed to me to be worse than the disease.
In the sense of this assertion, nothing, absolutely nothing in this article persuades me otherwise. It’s very existence almost proves my point. In the entire history of cvilisation, if not back to the development of agriculture, at least since the Renaissance and Reformation, lies could live unchallenged and be believed by every citizen without so much as a whiff of the kind of information that can be availed of on social media (and elsewhere, obviously) by people like Mr Greenwald so as to be able to even present the convincing arguments about four facts that he has presented here.
Let’s just be careful of flawed inductive reasoning here.
That there are four major falsehoods does not mean social media is bad, just that it ALSO enabled four major falsehoods. If anyone thinks journalism was more honest, say, half a century ago, I suggest they go study the reporting done after and surrounding the JFK assassination. Or more easily, perhaps, study the history surrounding the release of The Pentagon Papers and its significance – and yet, how many people actually ever read so much as a single page of the papers themselves? History is replete with secrecy and lies – social media has not changed anything and it certainly is not the underpinning of secrecy and lies. On the contrary, I contend, social media is ultimately the cure.
One does not tell children not to learn to read, not to read books, nor does one withhold mountains of books from them (though people have tried, no question). And this in spite of the fact that children are going to misunderstand everything anyway and get it all wrong. It is Education’s job to teach children how to think. That education does not do this, especially (in the US, at least) since Jimmy Carter and all who succeeded him, is not the fault of the children, but of the Morlocks… excuse, me, I mean, of the system.
None of which changes the fact that reading is dangerous. A situation of being damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Furthermore, barring nuclear war sending us way way back in time, one cannot return to simpler times, one can only go forward. I just hope no one tries to “cure” social media, because cultures and especially species take a lot longer to grow up than human beings do. We need a bit of faith (as much as I remain reluctant to use such words in the company of progressives).
I’ll end all this with a quote from Emerson that a friend recently sent me:
“A plain confession of the in-working of the All, and of its moral aim. The Indian mythology ends in the same ethics; and indeed it would seem impossible for any fable to be invented and get any currency which was not moral. Aurora forgot to ask youth for her lover, and so though Tithonus is immortal, he is old. Achilles is not quite invulnerable ; for Thetis held him by the heel when she dipped him in the Styx, and the sacred waters did not wash that part. Siegfried, in the Nibelungen, is not quite immortal, for a leaf fell on his back whilst he was bathing in the dragon’s blood, and that spot which it covered is mortal. And so it always is.
“There is a crack in everything God has made.
“Always, it would seem, there is this vindictive circumstance stealing in at unawares, even into the wild poesy in? ?which the human fancy attempted to make bold holiday, and to shake itself free of the old laws, — this back-stroke, this kick of the gun, certifying that the law is fatal; that in Nature, nothing can be given, all things are sold.”
GREENWALD, EITHER PUBLISH ALL THE SNOWDEN DOCS OR GTFO!!!
and in case it’s not clear what you have to do
EITHER PUBLISH ALL THE SNOWDEN DOCS OR GTFO!!!
That will work…
lol
Another, related point to the one I made below. People tend to get sucked into this or that side of an issue and take positions based on misleading, untrue or incomplete information. That’s human nature. It’s not “good”. It just IS. Most people don’t have the time, energy, inclination or ability to follow any given issue in a way that might make them capable of forming a solid, reality-based opinion on it, especially with so many voices yelling at them in the various mediums available these days–including personal contact. So they tend to go with what they’re already inclined to believe, what validates related beliefs and biases, and what’s easiest and most comforting to believe. Again, human nature. I don’t like it, but I get it.
Similarly, lots of people claiming this or that in various mediums, without any intent to deceive or even necessarily aware that they’re promoting less than factual views and claims. Happens all the time, here and elsewhere. Mostly in comments and discussions, but also in articles and “diaries”. Yet again, human nature, not good, it just IS. Incompetence infects us all at one time or another.
What most bothers and worries me, though, is those who knowingly and deliberately mislead, be it via blatant lies, nuanced distortion, or the withholding of vital information. And it’s not just propaganda intended to promote one’s party, faction, brand, client, company, organization, belief or self, although certainly there’s a lot of that. It’s also vanity, the desire to defend or promote one’s reputation in the face of demonstrated lying or incompetence. And spite, the desire to tarnish the reputation of others who may have taken apart your dissembling, or whom one just doesn’t like for some reason.
All sorts of liars, charlatans, buffoons and manipulators out there in the various media spaces, on both right and left, motivated by self-interest, vanity and spite.
Case in point, DKos, which while certainly putting out lots of solid and worthwhile content based on known and verified facts, is also a hotbed of willful propaganda. The RW stuff is easily and quickly spotted and dispensed with, of course, but the “LW” stuff can linger indefinitely there, and cause major rifts that undermine the left’s ability to counter the right, and progressives’ ability to counter centrists–by design and intention.
Like, the armies of obvious shills and trolls who were sent there to defend Obama against his refusal to go after the big banks or prosecute torturers, and his decision to expand the GWOT. Lots of non-propagandists were suckered into this and recruited into becoming de facto propagandists as a result, and instead of uniting to counter the GOP & big banks, the site turned into open civil war. By the design of the propagandists.
And now the not yet ready to die war between the Clinton and Sanders factions, and the broader divide between those who side with centrist establishment DNC-aligned Dems and those who side with more progressive Dems and lefties, revived by this whole Brazille thing. By DESIGN.
Who needs a GOP when “our” side is so good at screwing ourselves over?
Why are you assuming that either party is on your “side?” There is only one party, a duopoly.
I don’t, and didn’t, thus the quotes. But, one party is clearly more aligned with and better at representing the interests of the broad left. Anyone who thinks that both parties are basically the same is an idiot. Literally. Where they’re alike concerns certain aspects of economic, foreign and military policy–i.e. where the money’s at–and in their being basically owned by monied interests. But, on social and most other issues, not even close.
The Clintons have a very bad history of shamelessly using and then either abandoning or punishing their most long-term loyal black supporters.
I’m genuinely shocked that there was not more “message discipline” wrt to sliming Brazile — who is a true-blue old-school Clinton loyalist (not a trendy high-priced consultant types like Mook or DWS).
I haven’t read the book of course, but Brazile seems to have realized that when she was asked to take over from DWS, she was used. She was a familiar loyal face. She was shamed when she discovered “the agreement” which was not “business as usual” as the party had claimed loudly while asserting their right to break ethical impartiality promises in their own charter.
Brazile was disgraced when she was caught helping Clinton (the most qualified candidate ever) cheat in the debates… but then she was shamed again when she had to tell Bernie about “the agreement” and then again when she discovered that Mook and others were barely tolerating her participation, barely listening with mocking expressions and not following through as promised… she wasn’t even being sweet-talked as they refused her input (and then they lost as she had begun to fear they would) .
I’m not sure what her professional future would have look like without this book but I think she was such a reliable Clinton supporter and such a reassuring presence (in the shrieking pantheon), she may be “rehabilitated” and brought back (Brian Williams anyone?)
Yeah, she gets to tell her story which I think will resonate in ways the Clintons will regret and bring to mind Betty Curry and Loretta Lynch. That’s okay by me.
I long ago realized what the Clintons were all about. No, they’re not “evil”, in the Bush/Cheney/Trump sense and to that extent, and they have done good things here and there. But, they’e “In it to win it”–for themselves, in terms of power, money, glory and ego. Without a doubt THE power couple of the past 25 or so years in the US, bar none (which to their credit the Obamas never really tried to become and Jarvanka in their wildest dreams can’t match, being too stupid and obvious).
And yet, I’d take them over the Bush, Cheney and Trumps any day, IF that’s the choice we have. And, unfortunately, it has been. But that doesn’t make me see them as FDR meets JFK meets Gloria Steinem. I’m under no illusions here. Nor am I about the legions of professional pols, strategists, consultants and apparatchiks that attach themselves to the DNC and mainstream left–even the pundits, journalists and hosts on MSNBC, which is about as close as we get to decent news in the establishment media.
Brazille inhabits this world, and has accommodated and compromised herself to it. But, in the end, it doesn’t matter. The facts are the facts, whoever’s telling or spinning or lying about them. It’s semi-amusing (when it’s not terrifying) to see how all these players spin the facts to their advantage and/or to their adversaries’ disadvantage, but in the end the truth outs.
Well, usually.
The Bush and Clinton machines are closer than you think.
Bill as Arkansas governor provided Mena airport as cover for the guns-for-drugs operation run by GHW’s CIA.
http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/photo/26860114.cms
my favorite is any news ‘report’ that begins with the caveat “un-named sources”…it should be no surprise they have zero credibility with the viewing public
And to illustrate the point…
https://pjmedia.com/trending/trumps-koigate-fake-news-spun-shameless-white-house-press-corps/
Five!
Great, spot on article!
Kudos to Glenn for pointing out in near real-time how the Progressive propaganda machine operates…the media is completely infiltrated with operatives ready to lie and spin for the powers that be…woe is the state of ‘journalism’ in this country.
Yes, indeed, scary is how I’d put the situation in which the nation of idiots is reduced to 140 character “thinking.”
Good article, keep it up for the minority of us who still read and think.
Nice one, Glenn. Clinton’s surrogates in the media sure are dishonest people .. ugh!
The Brian Klaas tweet is what passes for journalism now?
The difference between this tweet and the most unhinged conspiracy theorists’ stories becomes a matter of taste.
And they all get equally angry and swarm to discredit you if you contradict them.
We all get suckered by headlines and stories now and then, both in the establishment media and in social and “alternative” media. E.g. “Fitzgerald close to indicting Cheney!”, or “Video of Russian prostitutes peeing on Russian hotel bed Obama once slept in while Trump watches exists!”. Or, on the WAY other side of the aisle, “Clintons running child sex ring out of DC area pizzeria!”.
We do this partly because we want to believe certain of these headlines, partly because they confirm biases we’re already inclined to have, partly because we’re too busy or lazy to regard them critically and not at face value, and partly because some of them are written in such a way as to make it easy to get suckered in by them. But, their inherent truthfulness and accuracy is independent of our reaction to them, of course.
The problem is that there’s just too much damn content out there, it’s too easy to put out bad or false information, there are too many entities who are either incompetent or self-interested to put out solid and accurate info, there are too few well-known and regarded “monitors” of what’s true or not, people don’t have the time or inclination or ability to ferret out the good from the bad, and there’s so much to be gained for some by deliberately lying online.
We’re in the midst of a war for hearts and minds, by entities both honest and dishonest, competent and incompetent, altruistic and self-interested, in the new Wild West that is today’s online media. And most people just don’t have the time, ability or interest in figuring out who to believe and who not to. So most people end up believing that which they’re already inclined to believe. Which in some cases ends up being truth, and in some cases not. Given the potential and actual consequences, it’s scary.
E.g. President Trump.
In theory, a healthy democracy depends upon a critical percentage of its citizens being well-informed with truthful, complete and important information and being engaged in the political process at all levels. I can’t speak for other countries, but in the US we were already suffering from fewer and fewer citizens being well-engaged in politics. Now many of those who are engaged, do so with blatantly false and manipulated information–and it’s not just on the right, as some want to believe.
Sure, the lies are generally less blatant on the left, but that just makes them more insidious. Few Clinton supporters would have believed a story claiming than Sanders was a Russian spy (absent hard evidence). But many would have believed one claiming that he intended to shut down all the banks if elected president. A lie that’s more nuanced is still a lie, and deliberate lies are crafted with the target audience in mind.
And it’s not just deliberate lies that are a danger, but lazy reporting, and lazy reading. I don’t know what the answer is. Perhaps, over time, each generation will develop a certain ability to tell lies from truth, a sort of sixth sense about it. Or not. I just don’t know. It’s scary. Critical thinking skills can be taught and learned, but how many will do so?
People started thinking that maybe we cannot design our own reality by the magic of words after all back in ancient Athens, but only after losing a big war.
Before that, material riches went to their heads.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/172808-we-re-all-especially-those-of-us-who-are-educated-and-have
While it’s true that the power of propaganda tends to eventually wither when under onslaught from painful and contradictory reality, that usually only happens after there’s much suffering and piles of dead bodies everywhere. E.g. Germans and WWII, Americans and Vietnam, Americans and Iraq.
And even then, that doesn’t always happen. E.g. North Korea, southern and rural white America after the Civil War (where millions still believe it was over “states’ rights”, “federal overreach” and “Yankee/Northern aggression”), Putin’s Russia, Bibi’s Israel.
I have no solution, just pointing out one of the most obvious and intractable problems facing any society, whether democratic (as it were) or not: How do you deal with well-crafted propaganda and people driven by ambition, greed, vanity, insecurity and even insanity? It’s just too much for most people to process properly.
A TV ad that convinces you that you need some weirdly-named new wonder drug (that you really don’t need and which may well harm you) is really no different from a TV ad that convinces you that Hillary is the antichrist and Trump will bring back your coal mining job at double the pay. You don’t even have to be an unschooled idiot to fall for either. You just have to be desperate, vulnerable and already inclined to believe either.
Seriously? Who’d believe Sanders would shut down banks? Sanders like Trump can only do so much, the system does work most of the time. But given Sanders record in Congress I ask all his fans to show me something he did for America during all those years. The Clinton may have failed on healthcare but they tried. Hillary accomplishments are listed here: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33670561-the-destruction-of-hillary-clinton
oh good lord. sanders was much more effective in politics than clinton, as far as getting things done, as opposed to burnishing his resume for a presidential run.
Between actual propaganda and disinformation and gullible people who get suckered by it and end up promoting and engaging in it themselves, it’s become almost impossible to carry on substantive discussions online without spending a massive percentage of one’s time and energy weeding it out, fending it off and stamping it down. It’s like going out for a run and continually having to fight off snarling dogs, drunk drivers and texting cyclists–and that’s just getting out of your driveway!
James, not everyone is politically sophisticated and spends every free moment perusing political blogs and ferreting out what’s real and what’s fake. Where have you been since 2015? We are in the era of social media-promoted fake news, and there are lots of gullible people out there who will believe that which they’re already inclined to believe. I’ve spoken to reasonably liberal Dems, ones who don’t read sites like this, who think that Bernie’s basically a commie.
Plus the example I gave was a hyperbolic throwaway one. There were tons of articles, diaries and comments posted that made him out to be a shallow, attention-grabbing poser with no meaningful record of accomplishment…kind of like yours–how exactly was a non-Dem who caucused with Dems during an era in which Dems were in the minority going to get anything passed in congress?
Name anything that ANY Dem in congress got passed, that was progressive, during that whole time.
I’m not saying that Bernie was anywhere near perfect, or that the Clintons were complete sellouts, but these “fake loser Dem who never did a damn thing” and “the Clintons weren’t perfect but they did so many great things” memes are a perfect example of what I’m talking about: propaganda, period, end of discussion.
Last sentence should have been, once again Trump is right.
Trump does not exist in any universe where “right” or “wrong” have meaning.
In the past year, it has become more and more apparent to me that today’s Democrat party are sometimes led but more generally advised by teams of trained and seasoned professional liars.
How appropriate..Nice Beginning
This week is the 3rd annual Media Literacy Week..
https://medialiteracyweek.us
The media also reported that Obama isn’t a flaming fairy and that Hillary doesn’t scissor Huma 10 times a day.
The most important aspect of all of this corrupt manipulation
is that these new revelations are coming from one of the most
powerful insiders of the very same corruption.
Donna Brazile has a long history of being one of the most forceful
and prominent insiders who has insisted that no alternative to
Clintonian corruption is possible.
She is hardly trustworthy.
The fact that these damning revelations are coming from someone
who has been so closely connected to this corruption makes me
suspect that her motivation is something highly, highly suspicious.
The question which immediately comes to mind and which must be
considered because of the history of this Clintonian shark is –
Is Brazile trying to take over the top spot by pretending to be a
reformer?
She is part and parcel of what she is revealing.
Beware of sharks bearing “gifts.”
except for that whole thing about corroborating evidence and documentation.
the issue of Brazile’s trustworthiness is irrelevant, at least so far. she isn’t presently in line for any position of influence.
her motivation, as the rats begin to leave the ship, is noteworthy though. it would seem that a number of the Party faithful are seeing some writing on the wall.
Brazille is doing the party a favor, making sure Hillary never runs again. But the party faithful who are trying to bash her, refuse to see.
Yes.
You can’t possibly know how much this disappoints me. I want Hillary to be the Democratic Party’s nominee for as long as she’s alive, if not longer.
Yes, supporting “internal” documentation.
You are delusional if you think that Brazile isn’t already in
a very powerful position. She is a notoriously powerful insider.
The fact that this revelation came from someone who is such
a prominent fixture of the corruption and who participated in
what she is revealing is a basis for great suspicion as to what she is
trying to do.
I think the powers that be in the Dem Party are trying to disappear the Clintons. They don’t want her running again nor do they want her as the face of the party. She’s toxic.
But didn’t Hillary’s campaign buy the DNC last year? There’s been no word of them having sold it, so we must assume the Clintons still effectively control the Democratic party. A disastrous situation for a party with ambitions of reclaiming power.
“They don’t want her running again nor do they want her as the face of the party. She’s toxic.”
Is she?
This is why H.R.C. ‘lost’?
“And it’s deadly. Doubtless, Crosscheck delivered Michigan to Trump who supposedly “won” the state by 10,700 votes. The Secretary of State’s office proudly told me that they were “very aggressive” in removing listed voters before the 2016 election. Kobach, who created the lists for his fellow GOP officials, tagged a whopping 417,147 in Michigan as potential double voters.”
http://www.gregpalast.com/trump-picks-al-capone-vote-rigging-investigate-federal-voter-fraud/
Is she toxic?
Yes.
She achieved the most embarrassing defeat in American political history.
Surely you can see the time has come to leave Hillary behind?
Toxicity is rampant in both the democrats and the republicans.
Both Trump and Clinton are smarmy, life-draining corporate predators
and anyone who would vote for either of them is
their own worst enemy – no matter how they try to convince themselves
and others of their delusional “good intentions” or belief in
lesser evilism.
Or if you still needed a good excuse as to why Sanders still couldn’t beat Clinton in the primaries, ya know the thing that Obama did in 2008, then you would write an article like this.
Still have yet to see any literal proof that any of this was “rigged” against Sanders, he had just as much fundraising money, just as much TV time, etc. I’d wager prbly because none-exists.
lol brazile wasn’t a sanders supporter, so she isn’t “providing him an excuse”. the logical contortions of clinton diehards is a wonder to behold.
Right, it wasn’t rigged at all. Debbie Wassermann-Schultz stepped down from the DNC chair because…?
I’m sure you’re right. Backroom deals don’t exist. Put that head back in the sand and be a good lemming.
Glen, why don’t You and wealthy associates set up a prime evening TV show. You’ll could call it “We Call BS.” The main purpose would be to translate the MSM news to what is supported by knowledge and fact from opinion. Nothing wrong with speaking your mind opinions as long as this is identified as such. Also proof of news should be given a “probability factor”section were “stories” are rated 1 to 10 on being true. You could keep a running tally of your accuracy, better than average I’ll bet.
You could also outline leaders such as members of congress giving vital information never reported such as net worth when elected and present, and how many family members are working in the family business of government. Legal insider trading would also show US how our representatives enrich them-self and ignore their mandate to protect the Constitution and public service for corporate service.
Glenn,
This is important work. This is not an attack: Where were you during the 2016 elections? You could have been dominating headlines by writing the factual truth, as you are trusted by (most of the) left and right. There are precious few journalists with your reputation: Jake Tapper is the only person of your reputation that comes to mind. I don’t know why there are so few of you, but we need the precious-few journalists like you to have a highly visible platform going forward.
Thank you, Glenn.
Thank you so much for this, Glenn.
I’ve read a lot of the comments and will add one thing. Political journalism on social media and elsewhere looks square into the sickness of the party apparatus (D and R) and reflects back what it sees. Political journalists see lies, deception, power and fear. Some journalists are immune through experience and historical knowledge. Other journalists are ideologically fanatical and some are just learning what journalism is. I think Glenn is right about the lack of truth for all the reasons he outlines. I also believe Americas sickness is in it’s political party apparatus and not so much in it’s journalists.
see http://www.pennsylvaniacrier.com/filemgmt_data/files/Ruling%20Class%20Journalists.pdf and also check out Laurence Shoup’s book, Wall Street’s Think Tank, on the CFR.
See also this excellent review by the brilliant Paul Street of Laurence Shoup’s book https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/06/yes-there-is-an-imperialist-ruling-class/
see Abby Martin’s interview of Laurence Shoup here (starts around 16:25 timemark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoriOIt9UuI
Yep!
She already admitted she lied about HC fixing the nomination and deliberately missrepresnted the documents so your entire article is based on a lie to sell books
the documents speak for themselves; you didn’t read the article. must have been too painful.
Twitter’s 140-character minimum prosecutable unit* is a problem with its design, but not the most important problem. The main problem is that the medium is intentionally designed to have a very high “Gini coefficient” — one person has a million followers, and a million people are talking only to themselves, the NSA, the prosecutors, and the corporations preparing to extend China’s “social credit” system around the world.
*Well, I used to call it that, but now the prosecutors have started going after people for Facebook likes, so it’s actually out of date now.
Fascinating!
Thanks.
Now I have a new project for today.
False statements by press
Ty for your journalism, it is great to see someone (who is generally considered to be within the system) trying to correct the record.
In this age of agenda/narrative driven journalism, Mr. Greenwald is a breath of fresh air.
Mr. Greenwald is a throwback to the days of Woodward. He is a journalist seeking truth for the sake of truth and accountability.
Please continue to shine your bright light, without regard on whose dirtiness the light illuminates.
Hillary Hatred defies common sense, it defies reality, it defies all reasoning, all intelligence, all… But it worked and works, like racial hatred, like religious hatred, like all hatred it can be cultivated, taught. expanded, passed around, developed and modified. Why? It comes from all sides, is misogyny so deeply embedded in the human psyche it becomes thought. Is Hillary a saint heck no, but you must wonder at the hatred.
Bernie Sanders is not even a democrat – why would the democratic party support him? He is still an independent. Sanders like the Pauls is a dreamer, he accomplished little in congress if anything. He was part of the reasons we now have an doofus for president, and his fans are as blind as a bat. One has to live to live in the real world. Sanders didn’t have a snowball’s change in hell of winning over Trump. Imagine the mud that would have been thrown at him. Think for a minute. Done? Hillary endured twenty five years of right wing conservative republican hatred, that too helped elect Donnie John. Right wing elite media control the message and stick together, the dumb democrats shoot each other and think that is a winning platform. The so called left live in Lalaland and think it matters what they think. And so it goes….
Your devotion to her is touching. It pulls at my heart-strings. Do you light votive candles in front of the icon of her that’s hanging on your living room wall?
Virginia, not an answer and too easily reversed.
There needs to be an authoritative investigation into the production and dissemination of lies by the mainstream media. And a determination of how it is organized and whether there are anti-competitive practices used by the corporations responsible.
Which “authority” not already sponsoring empire’s propaganda would you trust to squelch others’ lies? Torture investigations alone indicate EVERY authority is sufficiently compromised and every major media outlet already their willing tool. So I instead question exactly who organizes/produces identical pro-empire talking points simultaneously across multiple mass media outlets, on a daily basis. (Hint: it ain’t Russians and logic indicates it’s CIA) Those same agencies that’d be asked to investigate media lies regularly lie to everyone, through that very same complicit mainstream media, far more than any single corporation or foreign entity ever could. More than anyone it is they who subvert ethical journalism and truth, creating citizens unable to still recognize those things.
Maybe Congress could investigate, if they weren’t openly accepting legalized bribes in the form of bundled campaign contributions; nothing compromised there.
CIA didn’t have anything do with JFK murder.It’s all a lie.
An inside look at Bernie Sanders’s role in the Democratic Party primaries
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/05/26/book-m26.html
Could have used fewer words.
Bernie was a shill for Hillary.
Without Bernie there would have been no excitement for the election from the younger crowd. None.
Once Hillary won the election Bernie could graciously pass the baton and his voters to Hillary.
concisely stated, thanks. Sanders from the outset told Beltway personalities on their talk shows that he would support the party nominee, that he intended to increase voter turnout, and that he wouldn’t seek an independent run. All of which had the objective of duping/baiting his gullible supporters with pipedreams of welfare-state policies, getting people to the polls to give a fig-leaf of legitimacy to an illegitimate system, and handing over his supporters to Clinton and Team Democrat.
He was never in it to win.
An excellent piece by Greenwald to show how the right wing Democratic party and the media lie and attack.
However, readers should not erroneously conclude that Sanders is a good guy.
see:
Sanders declares his allegiance to US imperialism
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/26/sand-s26.htm
you left off the l in your link
try it yourself your link is broken
should be:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/26/sand-s26.html
you are welcome
(haven’t read it yet)
Thank you, LeviTate
Decided your article is a “keeper”.
“By choosing this venue and wrapping himself in the mantle of Churchill, Sanders sought to establish, for the benefit of the ruling class, his anti-communist credentials. This was underscored by his full-throated embrace of the McCarthyite anti-Russian campaign being spearheaded today by his colleagues in the Democratic Party. As in the 1940s,’50s and ’60s, the “liberal” Democratic Party establishment and its media allies such as the New York Times are seeking to whip up an anti-Russian hysteria for the dual purpose of preparing for war against nuclear-armed Russia and imposing political censorship within the US, particularly over the Internet, in the name of combating Russian-inspired “fake news.””
“In Sanders’ overview of world politics, the chief source of the “rise in authoritarianism and right wing extremism—both domestic and foreign,” is the Russian government. Denouncing “inequality, corruption, oligarchy and authoritarianism,” Sanders pointed not to Washington, but to Moscow, declaring that “kleptocrats, like Putin in Russia, use divisiveness and abuse as a tool for enriching themselves and those loyal to them.””
“Sanders endorsed the Democratic Party’s narrative, which lacks any foundation outside of the say-so of American spy agencies, of Russian government interference in the US election. “We saw this anti-democratic effort take place in the 2016 election right here in the United States,” he declared, “where we now know that the Russian government was engaged in a massive effort to undermine one of our greatest strengths: The integrity of our elections, and our faith in our own democracy.””
“In this paean to the “integrity of our elections,” Sanders shelved his campaign rhetoric attacking the Supreme Court’s “Citizens United” ruling, which effectively removed all restrictions on corporate buying of elections and politicians. He also neglected to mention the Democratic Party emails that exposed the party leadership’s machinations to sabotage his own primary challenge to Hillary Clinton.”
zionist stooge.
Over here in Europe MSM and public tv and radiostations are all infiltrated by the Intelligence services . All foreign correspondents are in some way involved with pushing the warmongering shadowgovernment’s agenda. But hey, we learned that from the Americans, didn’t we ?
It is infuriating to see the many ways by which the politicians, partisan commentators, and corporate media “personalities” (including entertainers eg comedy show hosts) attack “democracy” and undermine the conditions for meaningful democratic participation in the US.
With the bloodied dagger in one hand, and the lifeless bodies of Democracy and Justice lying on the floor at their feet, these ruling-class-serving operatives express their “optimism” about “our country”, their “faith in the American people.” With great irony and glycerin tears they speak of the vaunted “rule of law”, even as they molest all the basic rights of civilians and break the law with impunity.
Clinton’s rehabilitation of her image — remaking herself into the Peacemaker-and-Quintessential-Patriot — aided and abetted by the talk shows, NPR, and endless columns which falsely portray Trumpism as a departure from the ruling class agenda — is astonishing to watch. It illustrates what Gore Vidal said, “Hollywood and Washington have a symbiotic relationship; they both deal in illusions.” Clinton and The Resistance™ represent the ruling class’ anxieties that Trump and his crude nature provokes too much backlash from below and thus threatens the success of the ruling class agenda.
Instead of dismantling Empire, Clinton and other critics of Trump from the right are desperately trying to provide the Empire a re-branding, a makeover. They seek to be the administrators of Empire. They want to be the ones to carry out the ruling class’ murderous agenda.
Why do civilians let these criminals rule over us? We should recognize and fight them as the enemies they are.
Hey – sorry if I’m missing something, but are Guccifer and Guccifer 2.0 being used interchangeably here? Guccifer 2.0 was, if I’m not mistaken, proven to be a front for Russian intelligence – whereas Guccifer is Marcel Laz?r Lehel.
This is classic GG and hence why I nest at the intercept. The traitorous dogma of the neoliberal duopoly is destroying us with its class warfare of transnational capital against nations representing peoples of the world. Obama’s last act was to plant Perez as DNC crime boss for facilitating TPP by which America becomes a colony of a world kleptocracy.
The party cannot be reformed: As Jamie Galbraith noted, there is no tent big enough to house the predators and the prey. The Dems have nothing to offer other than Maddow and her Russiagate propaganda for educated yokels and servile minorities.
The time for transformative change is now, not while the next primaries prove we have been been gulled again. Nobody voted for imperialism and a military economy for empire protectionism. Nobody voted for a drug war to serve as a feeder system for mass incarceration. Nobody voted to become a low-wage economy from which workers are to become globally competitive. Nobody voted to be harmonized into a third-world nation. Nobody voted for illusions of green imperialism to destroy us while kowtowing to elite desires for a carbon swaps market.
If neoliberalism prospers from national destruction via debt-leveraged privatization, why vote for your middle-class destruction. All the aforesaid issues interconnect into a holistic matrix. Wall St. dichotomizes its globalism as a TINA to prevent isolationism. This places reality into the memory hole, with post-war prosperity based upon global trade among nations . We are being destroyed from within by subsidizing transnational parasites to kill the nation-state host.
Wow, Duckspeak in action. Bravo. Orwell would have used this as an example.
Larry, this is some abstrusely worded but compelling analysis. In all seriousness, have you published anything that elaborates further on your theories? Thanks
well said.
A revealing exchange from Megyn Kelly’s interview of Putin:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54688
He’s unquestionably correct. The nature of America’s engagement with the world has not changed substantially in eighty years. What difference would it make to Russia which personality or party was in control in Washington?
Indeed. It would make just as much sense to believe Putin sought to make it appear that he was supporting Trump in order to get Hillary elected. What we do know is that the party operatives who float all of these stories have one general aim in mind — to destroy critical, strategic thinking and render the public as predictable and maleable as possible (and as to their overarching goal, please see below). Now we can see where this got us.
What is really maddening is that we have a real story about media manipulation from abroad, and the people and motives behind it: Veles, and others like it. They did it for the money. Very, very simple.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.djxp8EypY&mc_cid=97404c62ae&mc_eid=0c1eeb9960#.gd5vdEwv6
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/24/facebook-clickbait-political-news-sites-us-election-trump
But . . . isn’t this precisely why the fake journalists Greenwald has exposed in this article do what they do?
Come to think of it . . .
Democratic Party crisis explodes in wake of Brazile revelations
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/06/dems-n06.html
i’m seeing a concerted media push to contain and ignore it. the guardian finally put an article up, but has plastered 10 or more anti trump stories across the top of the main page. i suspect the nyt and post are similar but i dont read them. the push here is very reminiscent of the buildup to the iraq war, but i don’t see the objective clearly.
You actually read the Guardian? Glutton for punishment :-D
their climate change articles, and those on police violence, are pretty good. i comment on some of the others just to dispute the guardian’s preferred narrative. my tolerance for punishment is limited, however, so i don’t read the times or the post.
I read nyt wapo guardian to see what zionist are up to.
Thanks for doing your part to uphold high journalistic standards of accuracy with this story, Glenn. We don’t have a hope as a country if we can’t face unpleasant facts and own the truth about them. In these perilous times, that’s especially true for members of the American press corps, for whom it’s imperative to be honest- with both themselves and with their audience.
“Journalists with the loudest claim to authoritative credibility are using that platform constantly to entrench falsehoods in the public’s mind.” The instances mentioned in this article are the least of it. The whole ‘pay gap’ is a falsehood entrenched in the public’s mind. If people pushing a non-liberal ideology used such statistically-illiterate, shameful garbage they would be loudly mocked by the dominant media. Instead liberal activist group releases garbage study, and the dominant media ‘reports’ on it by stenographically reproducing the group’s press release about the study and adding quotes from Democratic politicians aligned with the group and the head of NOW, who is also pushing the same agenda. The same goes with James Damore’s memo, which is scientifically-correct but treated by the dominant media as though IT featured the statistical illiteracy of the pay gap claim! The same goes for the false narrative of BLM – based on the mainstream media’s reporting one would think that black people are 90% of those killed by police, when in fact they are only 25% of those killed by police. That 25% is lower than one would expect given that black people commit half the killings in America and 40% of all violent crime.
Great read, Glenn. That it’s unsurprising is probably my strongest takeway.
What I want to know is: Why did this seem like a surprise? I mean how did the Powers That Be™ not know about the contents of the book, which she surely wrote and rewrote for a while. With the level of corruption I find it hard to believe that someone at the publisher wouldn’t tip off their friends.
Glenn–I truly love your concluding sentence. But it’s the whole basis of Rachel Maddows Russia gate reporting. Without her false claims of the “intelligence agencies” PROVING that Russia hacked our elections, she’d have no program. And, I suspect, no Emmys.
Sure, even GG has to repeat the “Russian hackers” claim, even though it is NOT proofed.
This is a “free media” to you.
Thank you, Glenn–another great fact focused article!!
Great muckraking, folks.
American news, real as American cheese.
Thank you for your continued support of the true spirit of journalism. Your dedicated professionalism is a breath of fresh air.
These tactics are not just limited to Twitter, but also articles written by many establishment news outlets, like the NY Times and WAPO, whose comment sections are non existent, leaving that narrative to stick in the readers minds. More and more it appears that this Government and its media bullhorns are the enemies of the people and Democracy.
Frightening.
Julian Assange ? @JulianAssange
Julian Assange Retweet- Bastian Obermayer
Great sourcing! But ICIJ is still based in DC, is Ford, Soros, Omidyar funded and still “sits on” nearly everything.
From what I understand, WikiLeaks is still trustworthy, but Julian Assange isn’t. He endorsed the neo-Nazis who tore through Charlottesville, and labeled Antifa “attackers of free speech”.
In what way did Assange “endorse the neo-Nazis”?
Yeah, I don’t buy that Assange “endorsed” neo-Nazis.
Most likely, as with the ACLU, he defended the right to free speech as a fundamental principle and was then accused of endorsing the odious views of particular people who exercise that right.
Antifa, and a number of other left-wing groups, absolutely are “attackers of free speech”. These people believe, without exaggeration, that particular speech is inherently violent and thus can be met with actual physical violence to suppress it’s expression. If this view is not anti-free speech I don’t know what is.
If, for example, Richard Spencer legitimately acquired permits to organize and give a speech at a particular venue, and white nationalists peacefully gathered there, Antifa would have no compunction in violently shutting down the event, instigating actual physical violence and assaulting the people who gathered there.
You and I have nothing but revulsion at the speech of Spencer and neo-Nazis but I defend their right to speak. The way I combat their hate-speech is with superior arguments while recognizing their rights to organize on private property at the permission of the property owner.
I am almost certain that Julian Assange’s views are identical to my own. This could hardly be considered an “endorsement” of neo-Nazis.
If one is serious about fighting white supremacy and Nazism, the last thing you’d want from a tactical perspective is to turn their key representatives into free speech martyrs. It only bolsters the alt-right cause to allow them to portray themselves as bold crusaders against political correctness and censorship.
It is impossible for white nationalists to “peacefully gather.” Their presence alone is warfare.
You can’t just redefine words to suit your argument.
They have the right to try. If their presence then becomes ‘warfare” as you say, then their demonstration should be stopped. But we don’t want to allow our society to start imposing sentence on someone before they even commit the crime. I’ll watch the movie, but I don’t want to live it in real life.
And black nationalists?
No, it’s not. If you can’t distinguish between speech and violence, then we might as well throw away the entire liberal tradition.
I might just as easily conclude that speech that endorses communism is violence, and therefore justify attacking Black Lives Matter organizers or Democratic Socialists for America who are merely peacefully organizing and speaking.
The minute any of these odious groups, and I abhor Fascism and Communism equally, stop peacefully speaking and take any action that constitutes actual violence, then I am justified in using defensive violence against them.
Here’s an example. Suppose a Christian Conservative simply said that he thinks people who smoke weed “ought to be locked up”. He would be advocating violence against me and millions of other Americans. But he wouldn’t be actually committing aggression against me, rather stating that someone else should use violence to suppress peaceful behavior.
Do I have the right to start punching this person in the face for his speech?
No. But if he, or a police officer, actually tries to physically restrain me, or kidnap me and throw me in a cage, THEN I’d have the right to defend myself with violence. But not against the person who merely spoke.
Every political philosophy, with the sole exception of libertarian anarchism, amounts to the advocacy of violence against peaceful people.
If we endorse the principle that the expression of political views that would result in violence or suffering against innocent people can and should be met with physical violence, then we should all be constantly punching each other in the face and rioting in the streets.
Damn good point, we don’t want neo-nazis to become martyrs for free speech.
The dialogue here at the Intercept is extremely divisive and narrow-minded. The authors only seem concerned with casting a shadow of blame over the Hillary campaign for everything, especially Sanders’s loss. The author even resorts to giving the benefit of the doubt to Guccifer 2.0, a hacker that works on behalf of an adversary of the USA, over Hillary Clinton. (Among other short-sighted confirmation biases).
The author could improve the dialogue by expanding its scope, because the USA needs less division between Democrats and Independents to defeat Donald Trump and the Republican Administration in 2020.
Some suggestions for broadening the scope of the dialogue might be:
1) Hillary was targeted exclusively by hackers that are not concerned with the best interests of American citizens. Imagine if the Trump and Sanders campaign communications and/or the RNC emails had been exploited in the same fashion. All of them would have proven to be less than ideal candidates at some point in their communications. Even The Intercept has experienced bouts with corruption among its employees in the past. What if the public continues holding you (The Intercept) accountable for those betrayals of your readers’ trust, and they did it ad-nauseam? What would that continually imply about your credibility when juxtapositioned with the mainstream media that you continually attack? Even the Sanders family has their own version of the Clinton Whitewater scandal going on in Vermont with the now-defunct Burlington College.
2) Regardless of any internal DNC politics, Bernie was a household name all across the USA when it came time to vote in the primaries. All Democratic and Independent voters, whether they supported Hillary or Bernie, knew Bernie’s talking points very well. People had complete knowledge of both candidates when they entered the ballot box, and the majority chose Hillary. I was one. So, maybe there is more to Sanders’s loss than this fabled shadow of the Evil Hillary Rodham Clinton.
3) Bernie has been delivering hyper-populist rhetoric for many years now, and no one paid attention. I knew about him because I had a Facebook friend who lives in Vermont. Democrats were generally accepting of his candidacy and let him join the party without making much of any public fuss about it. Bernie is not really a Democrat, as Hillary has pointed out post-election in her book. By running as a Democrat, Bernie got much more air-time, donations, and publicity than he ever would have had running as a third party Independent.
I’m sure there are other areas where the discussion can be broadened and the dialogue expanded. The USA is being damaged by this odd thrill of hating and blaming Hillary for everything. Sanders likes to say that Hillary lost the general election to one of the most corrupt and despised candidates in US history, so the hackings and the overblown coverage of emails shouldn’t matter, and we should move on. But he lost to Hillary, one of the most attacked candidates in US history, so maybe the little bit of DNC internal politicking shouldn’t matter so much. We, Dems and Independents, should move forward and defeat Republicans in the mid-terms next year, and take back everything in 2020.
there still isn’t any proof of russian hacking. i don’t have time to refute the other points, just read the article.
This is rather damning. Great article, Glenn.
Very interesting about the AP. Remember, they were the ones who called the California primary for Clinton the night BEFORE the primary happened, thereby suppressing the votes for Bernie. Since then, I ignore the AP.
After her book started a firestorm of controversy, Donna Brazile went on TV to clarify that she’d found no evidence the primaries were “rigged” for Clinton. … the former interim head of the Democratic National Committee, said on Sunday that she had found “no evidence” of rigging of the 2016 Democratic presidential contests in Hillary Clinton’s favor, though excerpts from her new book have been seized upon by Clinton critics to make that case.
You can believe Hillary is corrupt.
You can believe Donald is corrupt.
If you believe BOTH of them are, and that the duopoly (comprising both parties and their adherents, inclusive of Democrat puppet Bernie Sanders) itself is corrupted by corporatism, militarism, imperialism and oppressive policing… you are nothing.
Social media and even platforms like the Intercept encourage ‘taking a side’ horizontally, that is either left or right wing; but the real problem is *vertical*, that is the overlording elite hovering above the masses and exploiting them while the theater of horizontal debate continues distractingly.
The voice that distrusts *all* politicians – whether Bernie “Loves Me Some Military-Industrial-Complex” Sanders, Clinton or Trump or anyone else – (because they all promote corporatist militarism and invasive surveillance to one degree or another) has NO substantial platform anywhere in any media from which to speak, and that this is by design is what is truly alarming.
What is told widely is the fight between “right” and “left,” never the class struggle of those who are up and those who are down because of endemic corruption and a duopolistic oligarchy.
The Democrats are not redeemed by Sanders nor damned by Clinton; they are puppets of the Deep State just as Trump and all the Republicans are regardless of any of this ridiculous theater.
True enough, however, some politicians come with less strings attached than others. Also, the “deep state” isn’t exactly a monolith. There are factions fighting for dominance and budget, much like various departments in a giant corporation (i’ll bemoan our corporatacracy some other time) .
Americans like to attack problems head on (linearly), which is an easy way to get a constituency, but problems are better solved diagonally. It just takes imagination and a patient voter base; our country lacks both at the moment.
As you point out, debate is almost entirely focused on the one dimensional ‘left-right’ spectrum, ignoring the ‘up-down’ spectrum of class. But don’t forget the ‘forward-backward’ spectrum. Mr. Obama’s injunction was to look forward, not backwards while Mr. Trump is marching backwards towards the perceived greatness of a mythical past.
The future world Obama was looking forward to was one of investor-dispute tribunals, where corporations could override state legislation that curbed their anti-human excesses. He was straining to fast-track TPP until he was crow-barred out of the White House in late January.
Backwards and forward, like left and right, depends on which direction you are facing. That’s why the two parties can never agree on what they mean.
I think you’ve been had by Benito:
* The audience at first is only made aware of a left-right struggle
* Maisie points out how the horizontal left-right struggle is distraction by design in order to look away from the up-down struggle . The audience is now finally aware of the up-down struggle and how it relates to the left-right struggle.
* Benito then distracts the attention from the up-down struggle by pointing out that the situation Maisie depicts is a bit oversimplified by pointing out there is a backward-forwards struggle as well… (which of course is another distraction from the up-down struggle too)
Modern propaganda works.
The Intercept is very good about that. I mean, isn’t the article above about the corrupt nature of the DNC? I don’t believe there are very many media outlets that compare.
When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain.
However, this is not what Hillary Clinton did. Her campaign had taken over full control of the DNC even before she got the nomination. She had put the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearinghouse. Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn, where HRC’s campaign HQ was.
The shocking thing here is that the victory fund agreement Brazile talks about had been signed in August 2015, and therefore just four months after Hillary ANNOUNCED her candidacy and nearly a year BEFORE she officially had the nomination. THAT is the rigging part.
The victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. However, Hillary had been controlling it since before she got the nomination, which is highly unusual and unethical. Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. And as we now find out, those are extremely important in any election.
The states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding. The Politico story at the time described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign.
Bottom line: Hillary Clinton believed she was owed the presidency and that both the DNC as well as the American people owed her the vote. Plain and simple. And everything she did is in complete agreement with that assertion about her.
These accusation as well as criticism against her since she has been running (and even before it) are not the works of Russian Trolls or people who have been manipulated by Russian propaganda as Clinton’s trained minions would have us believe, these are facts. The cold, hard ugly facts about her neither her nor her delusional supporters want to acknowledge, which is why we lost the election and as a result now have a fascist demagogue in the name of Trump in the WH who is ruining this country and the world with it as we speak.
Thanks Hillary. For nothing. But hey at least YOU got a multi million dollar deal out of it.
The problem with your complaints is that you are trying to push a rock up a hill it has been rolling down for TWO CENTURIES. The American media has been deliberately, knowingly misinforming (outright lying) to the American public, to further the goals, dreams, and greed of America’s oligarchs for at least that long, and the American public has acquiesced to being conned for the same amount of time with shockingly few occasions of rebellion (Vietnam and Apartheid pretty much covers the rebellions, and those were very late in the game when compared to the rest of the world).
And THAT has a lot more to do with why Trump won and Hillary lost than any ‘Russian meddling’ (which even the most exaggerated claims would put in the category of a bunch of household fans being used to try and steer a hurricane away from Florida). The American public LIKES being conned, and prefers the naked, brazen, showy version of the con to the intellectual con.
This is true. They like being lied too because then it doesn’t complicate their lives and they can go on pretending that there is no corruption or that it is very limited.
Will full ignorance is just that. And THAT is what makes this country so dangerous with regards to an electorate having an extremely pathological response to the insane psychopaths running this country.
More insane psychopaths everywhere, interesting and nice try again!!
> On Wednesday, Politico published a blockbuster accusation from Donna Brazile’s new book: that the DNC had “rigged” the 2016 primary election for Hillary Clinton
Today, on ABC’s This Week, Brazile said she found “no evidence, none whatsoever” that the Democratic primary was “rigged.” She had already denied that she had meant that the primary was rigged on Twitter:
#NotSurpised
You can’t rig an election that is no longer an election. Well done! That is so Clintonian! Funny that they don’t live in Arkansas anymore.
House of Cards is going off TV due to a corrupt leading man.
Let’s hope DNC can take the real-life corrupt analogues of the air with it.
It’s really interesting how proponents of the “Russian attack on American democracy” narrative keep moving the goalposts. In the age of social media, every reasonably powerful nation on the planet will likely disseminate information intended to influence the politics of other nations. This is garden-variety information “warfare” that nations do to each other all the time.
If the worst that could be claimed (and proven) about Russian influence is that some Kremlin-affiliated operatives bought some Facebook ads or shared some twitter posts, then there is no noteworthy story here at all.
Judging by the rhetoric coming from the Clinton and Trump campaigns before the election, one could understand why a Russian citizen would oppose Hillary’s candidacy while remaining hopeful that Trump would favor rapprochement and the de-escalation of tensions. Hillary seemed to threaten military confrontation against Russia over Syria, after all.
As a libertarian, I have no personal stake in the outcome of internal fights within the Democratic Party, but I do wonder whether this gargantuan rift between Sanders supporters and grassroots activists and Hillary Clinton loyalists, corrupt Corporate Democrats and DNC insiders can be at all reparable before the 2020 election.
It would not surprise me if Trump receives a primary challenge from the Right. He might even be impeached or otherwise removed by the ongoing Deep State coup by the 2020 election cycle and a new “reform” candidate from the Right is able to win against whatever Clinton-esque candidate the inevitably still corrupt DNC foists upon their constituencies.
Whatever one wants to say about Trump, his election signals that the GOP is now a free-for-all where the old guard has lost it’s power and different factions on the Right could plausibly field a candidate who could actually win the nomination. The Democratic Party, in contrast, with it’s Super Delegate system and the iron-grip the corrupt Corporate Democrats have over the entire process are more likely to double-down on their failed 2016 strategy while still able to suppress the insurgent Sanders wing. They’ll likely alienate their base enough to lose another election, even though it won’t be to Trump.
That’s my prediction in a nutshell. Trump is removed from office, but a Republican STILL beats the Democratic candidate in 2020.
How is a Russian troll different than an American one? Seriously? Like Americans can be trolls? And international people can have Twitter accounts and post on US news and websites. So why is this Russia thing considered such a big deal? There is NOTHING in those Russian ads I have seen posted all around as “evidence” for their meddling that has not been said by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for years. I still dont understand how any of this is considered such a grave transgression.
I completely agree. The entire thing seems to be perpetrated by Hillary loyalists and Deep State operatives who require a pretext for removing Trump from office. They don’t care about the long term consequences of escalating hostilities between the US and Russia, they’re immediate obsession is on taking Trump out.
And there are tons of legitimate reasons for impeaching Trump. The problem is that the most egregious actions of the Trump Administration are things that (much of) the D.C. Establishment supports, like bombing Syria or scrapping the Iran nuclear deal despite Iran’s perfect compliance.
Glenn is really such a rarity in that he’s able to see things clearly and prioritize the right issues. I wish more authors on The Intercept (not to mention other outlets) measured up to his journalistic standards, though that is admittedly a high bar.
You’re correct. Our corporate media created an atmosphere where lies are repeated as fact. When they got rid of the Fairness Doctrine, like getting rid of Glass Steagall, it became a free for all. Today, Americans are not sophisticated enough to point out propaganda because, politicians, corporations and media have conditioned most people to accept propaganda as fact.
Fast forward to how we consume information today. It’s very easy for anyone to spread misinformation or infiltrate networks because most people are connected. 6 degrees of separation is real, you don’t necessarily need to hack anything. All you have to do is find the weakest link in any circle to get access to bigger fish. And, if you have a high minded understanding of human behavior using pr techniques similar to what Edward Bernays created or even crude propaganda techniques created by Hitler, then, it won’t be hard for individuals or state actors to exploit our current system.
Great piece.
the guardian has one article on brazile’s book excerpt, and roughly 10 on the “russia investigation”. that must be the strategy they decided on, to drown it out with bullshit about russia, and smear brazile to the extent it is still reported on.
And they shut down comments when people refuse to accept the angle they’re pushing.
Yep.
Your reporting Glenn is why I read the Intercept…my question is what can one do more about the issues reported in order to change the business environment of our politics.
Your Intercept needs to go more main stream…Nation Wide…You do a real good job.
Look. Sanders DID NOT have the Primary votes. How about focusing on the ridiculous Caucus system which is the ONLY way he won!
Where is the full text? I looked at the full text and the passages described in this article are not in it? Please include a link of the agreement you are referring to. If not, perhaps you are the one spreading false information.
This article serves no purpose?! This is how difficult it is to have all the big money working against facts. REAL journalists like Glen Greenwald are concerned with the Fraud of the 4th Estate.
Couldn’t be more important to this nation.
Not five minutes after reading this earlier today, Jamil Smith is on AMJoy spouting off the Alex Seitz-Wald talking point. More evidence there’s no appreciative difference between GOP and Corporate Dems.
Whilst this article is quite interesting, it really serves no purpose. Clinton did not get elected, Trump did. The focus is on Trump.
So no consequence for lying, rigging, and corruption in the primaries? I guess you are ok with that in 2020 as well then. Sounds like a great democracy. At least it would be a perfect recipe for another disaster election for democrats.
Hillary Clinton was a problem for the Democratic Party. Donald Trump is a problem for the American people.
It is up to the Democratic Party to present consequences for the lying, rigging and corruption in its institution.
What Hillary! did with the DNC is child’s play considering the depth of criminality dealing with The Clinton Foundation!
Please! Go to Lionel Nation on YouTube and watch his most recent interview with Charles Ortel regarding the biggest international charity fraud in history!
Come on Glenn! Interview Charles Ortel!!
Lionel is a goddamn goof who promoted PizzaGate and Seth Rich conspiracy bullshit. Anyone using him as a guide to what or how to think is dooming themselves to idiocy.
Can you not walk and chew gum at the same time?
Can you not try to fix the lying and corruption of our political parties, the government, and the establishment press while at the same time fight the Republicans (not just Trump) and their terrible policies.
Or do we have to keep pretending that one of the corrupt parties of this fake democracy is good while the other is evil?
Are people in this country so undereducated and unable to critically think that everything has to come down to a battle of good and evil? No wonder this country and its empire are a crumbling mess.
The focus should be on the future of the Democratic Party. It will continue to fail unless it is reformed, and if it continues to fail there will be no viable opposition to Trump or to the next grifter that gains the White House because the Dems are too self justifying about their sellout to corporations to read the electorate properly. Anything that pokes holes in their delusions has a very big point.
The theft of our Democracy should be news for everyone.
And until we figure out why Trump got elected (i.e., because Hillary rigged and stole the primary), we will continue to get Trump or Trump-like presidents. We have to fix the Democratic Party or, more likely, create a viable third party, before we can hope to get rid of Trump and his ilk. Foisting neoliberals on us under the guise of “progressivism” (cough, choke) isn’t working.
Social media appears to have become an array of ‘versions’ of reality; one can choose a confirmation bias and live entirely from a defensive position within it, bullying away counter-suggestions with brash assumptions whose truth or validity is evidently less important than their persuasive potency.
Everyone is hunkered down in a little made-up world, staring at a screen in their hand or on a desk, while the elite continue to exploit the masses and the Earth regardless of the self-serving theatrical farce of political or moral debate (which ultimately functions now as both distracter and divider, regardless of the occasional sincerity of the participants).
the new world of networked information has replaced centralized coercion with the option of choosing our very own individually tailored propaganda
“the new world of networked information has replaced centralized coercion with the option of choosing our very own individually tailored propaganda”
Gives a whole new meaning and dimension to “divide and conquer.”
Well, I’m not hunkered down, and that’s not a screen in my hand. .. those are tender tulips of understanding, Maisie.
*you must be thinking of Glenn Greenwald … he’s tilting @ twitterers day and night?
i know you “get off” on greenwald .. but please
I wasn’t talkin’ to you, johnjon.
*but since you brought it up, the fun’s all over. .. Glenn is a dad now!
maybe you should book some time with maise on massivecams.com
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Idk. Maisie is clearly not that fond of technology … is that a tool in your toolbox?
my toolbox includes all sorts of low-class junk
no doubt this is what turned off mona, that along with my borderline personality disorder
Mona is busy scrubbing the dishes right now. I dont think she is mad at you.
*I tried to warn her about Karl . .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoIKv3xxuMA
It’s clear that the author grasping in all directions to throw shadows over Hillary. There are some points omitted due to confirmation bias. Like how the other candidates were not hacked, so people assume they are better, but likely would have had communications throughout their daily campaigning that would have angered the public had it been exposed. Can you imagine if Trump’s emails were all exposed? So there is this righteous anger and lopsided thrill that comes from continually casting shadows over the Hillary campaign. You also forget that Brazile has made questionable decisions in her career, too. The Sanders family has their own version of Whitewater going on in Vermont. Another point omitted is how Bernie never was a Democrat. Hillary was right about that, and that it was a kind gesture for the party to not object to Bernie using the Democrat label despite not being one. In fact, that increased his exposure to the public immensely, where running as independent would have given less airtime. Bernie’s populist red-faced anger is not new. He was using those rhetorical techniques for many years. By claiming himself as a Democrat and benefiting from the social media phenomenon, he became a household name many weeks before the primary votes were cast. Everyone who votes knew all his taking points and made their decisions, regardless of the DNC. I think it’s time these truths get included in our dialogues. Bernie lost the primary, and there are more factors to that than the supposed Evil of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
This article, my dear, has exposed exactly what you left-leaning, media types have been doing since George W was in office-well before social media and certainly since, all orchestrated or lead by Hillary and other Dems no less.
That vial woman has had you all by the short and curlies since they were in the White House, and the msm have been doing her bidding ever since. So how does it feel to have it done back?? It sucks to have what you perceive as falsehoods printed about someone you’ve been protecting, doesn’t it?? Well in this case, it’s true at some point in this woman’s life.
Even if she’s outed somewhere that may not be fully true, the corruption is for sure there in all other areas of her “professional” life, so you getting all worked up and upset by printing this article like you’re the injured party…doesn’t work on us. This is called karma & poetic justice, all wrapped up in one and the fact that you are reporting on this as though you’re exposing it rather than one doing it….LOL! It’s nothing short of the pot calling the kettle black! LOL
Hillary’s done some serious underhanded things through out her life, she’s lied about and twisted many people’s lives in the last 4 decades. I guess she’ll finally see what it’s like to have the shoe on the other foot for once, and with you all being the very monster she created, watching your/her kind eating their own, makes it all more delicious.
Maybe this will teach you to not print what isn’t true, and maybe you’ll start seeing her for the twisted soul she really is, (doubtful) either way, this is working out in our favor for once.
She brought it upon herself, and so did you all who maliciously set out to do wrong in the name of trying to win her an election.
Nothing would surprise me less than if Guccifer 2.0 altered some of the documents.
Guccifer 2.0 had two goals – russify the leaks and sow distrust in their reliability.
There is no certain connection between the material on Wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0
The truth only matters in the end. What people think matters in the interim.
> the false claim … is now viral and will remain fixed in people’s belief system forever
Great article.
I’d love to see more of these that covers both political parties. Haven’t seen this kind of thing since John Stewart on the Daily Show would point out the hypocrites.
Thank you Intercept
jonathan liebowitz .Whose brother who runs the stock exchange?Or runs the same thing?THINK.
Great article. Moving forward as Tom Perez might say, it seems from reporters reading early versions of Brazile’s book that she is making some serious charges that go to the for lack of a better word, soul of the party and Hillary Clinton. Brazile felt she was treated like a slave. She saw major issues around age, gender, and race within the highest levels of the Clinton organization. The neglect of minorities. And she names staffers. Makes sense to me as Clinton was utterly phony over issues around race. So what will be the follow up attacks on Brazile? Maybe John Lewis will claim he never saw Brazile at a protest.
Donna missed the protests because she was with Bernie and Tulsi.
And yet, unfortunately, she wasn’t.
Excellent work Glenn. Thank you. Such a sad state on journalism. “Fake news”, as Trump likes to say? We hate to admit when the orange monkey boy is right, but there is “fake news”, and it damages the integrity of the information we need to get to the bottom of these things. As for me, maybe I am smarter than the average bear because I think this thing was all worked out along time ago between trump Bill and Hillary. But her our ego told her she couldn’t possibly lose even to a set up dupe like trump. But then this Jew from Brooklyn walks onto a stage in Bermont and says…
Is Glenn Greenwald nearly the last American journalist of integrity?
Hillary’s lie-making machine is still lying. Pretty soon the lies will become so pervasive and ingrained that, like O.J., they’ve become Lying- Bots; unable to discern right from wrong, not even a sliver of morality left-no longer able to see the shining light of honesty that is so important to a functioning society.
Someone tell the Dems…morality still matters. God nor Karma will not be mocked.
Glenn’s got a few friends who’re like him. But hardly anybody is hated with the intensity that Glenn is, by both the Right and the Left. And he doesn’t seem to give a shit. And that’s what makes him beautiful.
Ah, the Independent thinker who puts trust in unvarnished Truth than currying favor! Let’s clone him!
This is one contracted word pair you should be really, really careful about…lol.
“This is one contracted word pair you should be really, really careful about”
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Can see Hillary now releasing her winged monkeys to spread disinformation across the twittersphere:
“Fly, my pretties, fly!”
https://giphy.com/gifs/angry-minions-bcZ8T9ctIriAU
Good image – that’s exactly it!
In her role as a CNN contributor, Donna Brazile twice provided the Clinton camp with foreknowledge of questions Clinton would be asked in CNN sponsored primary debates. It is also alleged that she met with at least one audience member who was preselected to ask a question about Flint drinking water. Even her role as a CNN contributor calls into question the practice of paying partisan political operatives to appear as objective on-air commentators – especially during Clinton’s primary contest with Bernie Sanders; such practices give credence to the claim that CNN itself was biased in favor Clinton at the expense of Bernie Sanders. In light of the fact that Turner broadcasting has also made “charitable contributions” to the Clinton foundation, CNN’s role in the Brazile affair remains deeply dubious.
Secondly, it should be noted that just a few months after providing the Clinton camp with advanced warning of questions that would be posed during her primary debate with sanders, Brazile was rewarded with an appointment as chairperson for the Democratic National Committee (July 2016 – Feb 2017).
And lastly, Brazile chose to repeatedly lie when it was revealed by Wikileaks in Oct 2016 that she was working directly with the Clinton camp to bias the outcome of primary debates in Clinton’s favor. In fact, she accused Wikileaks of being a willing outlet for Russian propaganda which she claimed was intended to “manipulate an election, disrupt or discredit or destroy our democracy” and ultimately try to “produce an outcome more favorable to them and their interests.” Her criticisms were not reserved for WikiLeaks alone however; she also impugned the professional reputations of Jack tapper, Meghan Kelly, and Jordan Chariton by means of allegation denial. For instance: In response to Questioned by Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly, Brazile said, “As a Christian woman, I understand persecution. I will not sit here and be persecuted because your information is totally false.” (Wikipedia: Donna Brazile)
Apropos of the foregoing, it is rather curious that Glenn Greenwald’s pointed criticism of false “entrenched narratives” that originate from Journalistic sources does not first include a brief review of Donna Brazile’s own desperate endorsement of the factually false claim that Wikileaks was a witting disseminator of Russian anti-Clinton propaganda.
-chuckle- As if any thought should be given to the idea that they’re NOT biased against Sanders!
The media – ALL the main-stream media – was on Bernie-Blackout, and when they HAD to mention him, it was always with slurs, innuendo and not a few bald-faced lies. I think it’s kind of quaint or naive of you to think CNN could possibly have been unbiased against Sanders. … Haven’t you heard? He’s a socialist!
“I think it’s kind of quaint or naive of you to think CNN could possibly have been unbiased against Sanders?”
It is one thing to have a “contributor” present a biased account of the democratic primaries, and another thing altogether to collude in the rigging of the debate between the candidates. The fact that Donna Brazile did both while working directly for CNN begs the question: Was CNN management a complicit party to Brazile’s actions?
In regard to the blackout of Sander’s campaign… all of MSM was guilty of that.
As to “slurs, innuendo and not a few bald-faced lies”… please provide examples of this claim; it is not that I doubt you, rather I never watched CNN coverage.
jake tapper? meghan kelly?And chariton?brazile must be on to something.I give two shites for anything they said.
GREENWALD, EITHER PUBLISH ALL THE SNOWDEN DOCS OR GTFO!!!
and in case it’s not clear what you have to do
EITHER PUBLISH ALL THE SNOWDEN DOCS OR GTFO!!!
And 15 minutes after he did?
You’d be all like, “Limited hangout man.”
He has already explained several times in the past why this is not going to happen.
As I understand it, Ed Snowden delivered the documents to Glen Greenwald (and Laura Poitras) with the express desire that Glen exercise his own judgement (which Ed Snowden trusted) regarding which documents should and which shouldn’t be released.
> snowden delivered the documents to greenwald with the express desire that Glen exercise his own judgement
So – What. Who the fuck is greenwald or even snowden to decide what the public can or cannot read? The information belongs TO THE PUBLIC. Not to the NSA, not to snwoden, not greenwald. That shouldn’t be too hard to grasp.
But hey, looks like greenwald is a corrupt clown after all who carefully guards the interests of the NSA and the rest of the US military.
Hey Free, you make a legitimate point… only a very small fraction of the Snowden documents have been released to date. If Glenn Greenwald intends to keep them permanently bottled up then he ought to announce that fact and let the chips fall where they may. Or, he could provide them to Wikileaks and let Assange vet them for merit. Those who have responded negatively to you do not realize that they have actually provided the reason why all of the documents should be released. If Glenn Greenwald has been vested with the power to use his own discretion as to which document should be released then he has no further obligation to Snowden to limit their release. Secondly, Greenwald has already partnered up with numerous media outlets in the release of Snowden documents thus far. Absent a subsequent disclosure agreement with Pierre Omidyar, there is nothing to prevent him from allowing other media outlets to vet and release the remaining trove of documents at their own peril.
Oh fuck off.
Really. Free sounds like he’s 10 years old and still wetting the bed. Because he’s like so free man.
Thank you. I have been reading/watching the Clinton spin – and they are soooooo good at it after years of perfecting it – and waiting for someone to say something. Finally…my reliable Glenn Greenwald had enough and blew the lid on their scam.
The Brazile story was picked up by the NYTimes today, and I am sorry to say I posted a link to it elsewhere in this site. Mea Culpa! Apologies to all.
I believe it was either Shakespeare or the Great Gambini who first said ‘it takes a lawyer to catch a lawyer’, or maybe vice a versa, Glenn.\ Good work … these DNC revelations have been like an itch I couldn’t scratch!
There should be little doubt Twitter (aka ‘The Poor Man’s Din of Inequity’ ~ that’s why Trump uses it so much, imho.), trending viral infections can be extremely contagious. A ‘fake-news’ early morning Trump ‘tweet’ can infect most the globe by brunch time, for example.
The #resistance anti-bodies for Twitter trending viral immunization are, therefore, likewise critical.
After countless hours trying to track ‘false tweets’, and an arduous regime of Twitter Trending Viral Infection (TTVI) immunization over the years, I was shocked to discovery that I, too, had been infected with “Viral Falsehood #3: Brazile stupidly thought she could unilaterally remove Clinton as the nominee.”
*in my defense *I know* that was *quoted* in numerous publications and countless, untold TTVIs.
My favorite parsing of this was Salon: “Donna Brazile wanted to replace Clinton with Joe Biden as Democratic nominee: Report — In her upcoming memoir Brazile details the lack of energy in Clinton’s campaign and how she thought to replace her”
No, alarmed over the fainting spell and Clinton’s apparent ill-health, she considered what the party should do if Clinton became incapacitated … There was never an actual plan. As Chair, she would have been involved in the coordination of some “plan B” if Clinton could not resume campaigning.
Brazile has been scrubbed from Salon’s front page … Not Rosza, May.
She was drunk.I believe it.McCain and she are two buddies.
I used to vote Democrat and now I vote Republican, although I think the parties have changed more than I have. Glenn Greenwald is one of the few journalists that seems to be willing to ask questions and continues to have my utmost respect for how he handled the Snowden revelations and broke the most important story of our time, the NSA wiretapping. I never believed the worst claims about Hillary but this agreement to retain control of the Democratic party and siphon money from it during the primary season is just unbelievable and one of the worst subversions of democracy I’ve seen in my lifetime, and for Democrats to rally around someone who was doing everything they could to disenfranchise them is the height of dishonesty. The kindest explanation I can think of is somewhere between willful denial and Stockholm syndrome.
Mark Twain once said that a lie can fly around the whole world while the truth is still getting its boots on.
Thank goodness Glenn got here to give Clinton’s fellow travelers a thorough booting!
Sam said a lot of really good stuff.
Team HRC just yesterday opened up about Donna’s agency, wittingly or not, for Russia:
“OPEN LETTER FROM HILLARY FOR AMERICA 2016 TEAM
We were shocked to learn the news that Donna Brazile actively considered overturning the will of the Democratic voters by attempting to replace Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine as the Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees. It is particularly troubling and puzzling that she would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda, spread by both the Russians and our opponent, about our candidate’s health.”
–https://medium.com/@jesse_41795/open-letter-from-hillary-for-america-2016-team-f1c545304be1 [signed Huma, Robby, Jennifer, Katie, John, Molly, Mandy, et al.]
Tweet tweet https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/wealthy-men-donald-trump-inner-circle-links-tax-havens
We need tax reform.
I would like it if you did a weekly brief summary of misinformation as you did in this short article. Very helpful. You are one of the handful of reporters I find calm, methodical, honest, reliable.
Glenn “But one should demand actual evidence before affirming this claim. ”
What a novel concept.
Glenn wondering what you think about the integrity of Donna Brazille when she was clearly more than willing to go along with the Clinton power grab and the fact that she had been let go at CNN for handing off the Town Hall questions to the Clinton campaign?
Seems as if she should have said no to the temporary seat of the DNC . She sure looks like she is trying like hell to protect her own back or give a sketchy explanation for why she went along,
Never mind speculating as to what Brazille’s motivations are.
The real question is whether or not HRC and the DNC can produce documents that can dispute Brazille’s claims, or, as noted in this piece, will they instead just employ tactics similar to how they handled their email controversies?
The facts stand for themselves, I think. If she had any truly grave misgivings about the DNC sellout to HRC, then the time to have come forward was in early 2016 at the latest. But she didn’t. One is tempted to believe that her coming forward now has more to do with book sales than with a sudden guilty conscience. But, on the other hand, it is nice to find out that the Sanders supporters were not paranoid, after all.
Or, to turn that around, nice for us Sanders supporters to be validated as correct (yet again).
Agreed.
I think you folks got this all wrong. How otherwise was Donna Brazile going become my pick for 2020? I know all about the ‘debates’ that Bern out never should have filed to be in. Talk about 16 months late? Did ya see he finally rolled out his foreign policy ‘vision’ a la Churchill in Fulton Mo 6 weeks ago. I voted for Bernie but he sucked as a candidate on a lot of levels. From what I read here, he’s started working directly with upstart candidates. But his lack of a base with-in the party or with-out cost him the election. And really cost us all. So much volunteer time and energy went to what? Augh shucks what are we gonna do? We Must vote for Hill! Like I said, Donna Brazile 2020.
You conveniently left out the fact that a judge already ruled there was a level of corruptive activity on the part of the DNC during the primary. I believe you aren’t telling the whole story. It is clear and publicized that corruption on some level happened by the DNC officials and Hillary’s camp and only a fool would think Hillary had no part in it. Chairwoman Wasserman-Schulz resigned amid that scandal and went to work for the Hillary campaign. I was a Dem but am no longer because the level of corruption in the DNC is as much as it is in the GOP.
SO with the viral claim about whether or not Brazile said the primary was rigged…they reopen the argument from 2016, claim references to her claim was false. Weak minded America only remember quote Brazile was false and their minds now believe the election was not rigged.
Propaganda 101? Or faulty journalism? Can’t say I know for sure.
The fact is, Debbie Wasserman Schultz was fired from the DNC. Prominent Democrats including the Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid and VP Joe Biden acknowledged impropriety ..the list goes on. Clinton was unethical. But let’s pretend she wasn’t and let it happen all over again.
Gotta disagree on this point: “The headline, which was widely tweeted, made it seem as though Brazile delusionally believed she had a power which, obviously, she did not in fact possess:”
A lawsuit against the DNC for violating their own rules was just thrown out, I think due to lack of standing–but the DNC lawyer’s defense was that the DNC could ignore their own charter and bylaws and rules at will (secret deals in smoke-filled rooms), and that this wouldn’t constitute any criminal act or de-frauding of donors who believed they’d follow their own rules.
So…not sure why Brazile as chair couldn’t unilaterally do anything. The DNC’s “rules” are written on toilet paper. According to their own lawyer!
And the recent obvious precedent–Wasserman-Schultz broke several “rules”. The only consequence was her resignation. Those “rules” were still broken–in reality. So if DWS can, why couldn’t Brazile?
why don’t you start with reading the excerpt in Politico … Brazile was unaware of these extra powers given to the Clinton campaign until she looked into the Sanders’ campaigns complaints (expecting to find nothing) … she was shocked by the donation laundering and the control over personnel, and communications etc.
She had wondered why she had had to submit all communication to the Brooklyn office for approval … because that’s where the control was…
There’s a lot more involved here than just Sanders. The Clinton controllers also put the state parties on a shoestring budget even as thousands of dollars of out-of-state donation were being “laundered” through state parties and then transferred to the DNC … states didn’t have money for usual “get out the vote” efforts.
There are plenty of good analyses of the nitty-gritty of how it was implemented …
This really isn’t about Brazile’s character.
Today 100 Clinton staffers (none displaying evidence of twisted or broken arms) issued a letter rebutting Donna Brazile’s recent charges against the DNC.
Unbelievably they fell back on the Manifest Hysteria of the day and
blamed the Russians !!
Ha!
Letter from 100 Clinton staffers:
“It is particularly troubling and puzzling that she would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda, spread by both the Russians and our opponent, about our candidate’s health.”
Greenwald hits another homer. He maybe be one of the only people left who is worth reading in English.
Exactly what I was thinking. The corruption and stupidity of the American public to buy the Clinton Mafia’s lies lies lies lies lies is just astounding.
Brazile isn’t the only one. Anyone remember when Perez had his own little moment of clarity back in February?
http://observer.com/2017/02/dnc-chair-candidate-tom-perez-admits-democratic-primaries-rigged/
They snatched him so hard and fast his moustache, goatee and teeth nearly flew out of his head from the self-imposed spin.
Good memory – I recall that, too! I was surprised it ever got reported!
I’m unsure what might rise to the DNC definition of “rigging” at this point … particularly in light of the long ago compiled list of “irregularities” … This was certainly nothing like a “level playing field” …
It’s a scandal that such authority was demanded by Team Clinton in the first place, and it’s a scandal that 33 (iirc) signed on … and it’s worse that the control of funds and communications apparently began before the first primary … long before the post-convention “general election” …
I’m equally curious about the states who declined to sign on … and what the other (long forgotten not-Sanders) primary candidates knew or think about this now.
If not “rigged”, there is at very least, “conflict of interest”, which is obvious except to the party hacks.
Lol! I remember that too.
Congressman John Lewis made prominent statements at a key moment in the 2016 primaries supporting HRC’s integrity and demeaning Sanders. Where is he now as the Clintonistas’ high tech lynching of Donna Brazile takes off?
Good question. His behavior was disappointing.
Probably enjoying what he got paid, in some luxury Caribbean resort
You’re correct; I recall distinctly saying to myself, “well, he sure threw his own credibility under the bus now!”
I’m sure he’s got no response because he doesn’t want to face how wrong he was. A key question, though, as he’s been around long enough to likely be in a position to know: was he aware of the collusion? I bet he was! And if so, that should multiply his shame dramatically.
Horrible what he did. Sanders has consistently fought for equality and marched during the Civil Rights era. MLK would be very disappointed in Lewis.
Glenn, I can’t help but get the sense that coverage of Hillary is and was personal. Let’s say everything you wrote about in this article is true, that the DNC is attempting to cover up contract details and obscure the truth. Then what? There’s no question that our country would have been better off with a Hillary win, with Democrats in control. So what is the ultimate goal in your narrow focus on Hillary versus the ongoing train wreck that constitutes the entire republican party?
Article was enlightening to read except for one concept. America is a Republic and not a democracy. The founding fathers knew a democracy would never work.
Hillary with a Hispanic male vp will be THE power couple of 2020
people will see that once all the russia stuff gets done and the record is set straight on the anti-democratic collusion of 2016 that robbed Clinton and her popular vote majority of their rightful place ruling America
some even suspect Rachel Maddow will become Chief of Staff, yes it’s just that exciting
Important, high-profile debunking of bogus narratives, that had rapidly become the established truth. Thanks as ever, GG.
I’ve never been to twitter’s site, have never tweeted, and have never seen a tweet other than in articles reporting on them. In my view, it’s an inherently flawed, stupid system that is only really fitting for vacuous people; if you tweet, you’re not likely a serious person or you’re there to manipulate – would it be fair to call such people “twits?”
Of course, that may well be too harsh a pronouncement, but by the looks of things, it can’t be too far from the mark!
Good on Glen to call these four out – we can throw a link to this article at the morons who repeat those claims – but it’ll be an endless stream of such lies, you just know it.
But the more disturbing thing is how many people are so desperate to make Hillary out to be a good person, somehow the victim. Truth is, We, the American People were a victim of both the R and D parties this past election cycle by being given perhaps the worst set of choices from the two largest parties in all of American History.
And MAYBE it’s a good thing; they over-reached, and now it’s plainly obvious to anyone who has a brain.
I agree, the blatant corruption of key players in the 2016 election , including the President, D Congress, DNC, the Clinton family, Comey, Lynch, the corporate media, & others was damaging and a betrayal first and foremost to the American people. How to successfully significantly alter our political system including the mass media is the million dollar question.
ONE part of the answer to that is for ALL of us “on the left” to abandon the Democratic Party and start supporting, en masse, an alternative party.
I’ve chosen the Green Party because they’re mature, have great policies, have a very transparent system for managing the party’s activities, and have plenty of elected officials in localities across the country. Here in my area, the Green Party has elected officials in every major city in the East (San Francisco) Bay. The party has been so successful, the state wide level Democrats have altered the election system in an attempt to thwart Greens from rising further by making statewide offices have an “open primary” where the only candidates on the ballot in the general are the top two from the (poorly attended) primary. In this way, Greens (and all other “third party” groups) are no longer afforded a spot on the general election ballot.
Without a party “to their left”, the Democratic Party will NEVER improve. And, even if it does shift somewhat left, it’ll never be the left of FDR. We must realize this and scrap it entirely.
Amen to that! We as voters have the ultimate power over the parties, would we only use it.
There was an interesting piece on DW a week ago, featuring Neera Tanden, one of Hillary’s chief advisors, who claimed that the democrats are a party of candidates, not of a platform. In other words, not a political party at all. She says, in effect, that if you think the democrats stand for anything, you are living in the past.
Want to see it? Here: http://www.dw.com/en/if-you-cared-about-voting-for-hillary-you-have-to-care-about-resisting-trump/a-41013367
Yeah, vote/support Jill Stein….ummm, wasn’t Jill the one female photographed sitting at the table with Putin and Michael Flynn in Moscow?
stein was with Putin?How do you like that?I’m impressed.
So why was Jill Stein in Moscow St the same dinner with Putin as general Flynn? Perhaps she is also a Russian plant
Here’s an idea. Why do we even need political parties? Do away with them. Let each candidate state his/her take on the issues without the need for inherently corrupt political parties.
Keep in mind Bernie Sanders was never in the Democratic party, so why should they back him.
Let’s see….. the memo says that the Hillary campaign could review online or mass mailings during the primaries. From this, you extrapolate that the Hillary campaign controlled the DNC or rigged the primaries?
Does it really seem unfair or strange that if Hillary is raising all this money from the DNC, she would want to review what is being presented to the public? It doesn’t say she can veto the message, or that the Bernie campaign can’t also have advance notice. Political campaigns are about, in large part, messaging. It would be a dereliction of duty and the utmost incompetence for a candidate not to ask to review the message before it is published.
Get real. This is not a smoking gun.
The 99%, most of whom never read a newspaper, don’t know how to use computers, don’t want to discuss politics or religion, are greedy or indifferent to others or are just plain evil, and it’s been for forty years I know, will never ever get to the bottom of all the garbage and lies. 99%, as a group protest, MUST stop paying the IRS. Others in other countries might want to do the same. IT IS THE MONEY! The faster people open their eyes to this fact the faster we can start.
Thanks Glenn, great report.
Brazil says she was treated like crap by the Clinton camp.
This is so typical of progressive WAS (exP) elites: they know what is good for them little black people who should only show up to vote and otherwise shut up. Same people prevented Maynard Jackson to lead the DNC.
Glenn your own staff have made McCarthyite fools of themselves. This site is turning into a Hillary tent revival. You need to do something or quit. What I am seeing here is not journalism, but thinly veiled propaganda.
Wow you can’t cite or support any of those claims.
Glenn your own staff …
Um, no.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/854053331706228736
Greenwald, Scahill and Poitras are all independent contracted content producers at TI. None of them are involved in staff decisions.
“Hillary tent revival”? LOL. I hope Glenn saves this for the next 87,000 times people accuse him of “hating Hillary”. He must be doing something right to so often be accused of exact opposite sins.
Glenn, as long as you are examining Donna’s book, I hope you will examine her deeply homophobic actions within the DNC back a few years during the years Howard Dean was chair. The LGBT Caucus sought to give ourselves equal Affirmative Action status in the National Delegate selection process to African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asians, Pacific Islanders & Others. Each of those named groups have specific target numbers based on their population’s demographics that must be met by each state in choosing who goes to the national convention. But LGBTs were only a “goal.” Ms. Brazile fought mightily against our inclusion, finally crafting and getting passed an opposing rule that limited affirmative action status to those groups who had experienced voter discrimination. And, of course, she never joined our caucus and identified with her own orientation either. That is a story that needs to be told. And it relates to the de-gaying of the DNC that occurred at the same time with the dismantling of previously existing outreach programs and the firing of staff.
This article needs an edit pass!
The first example is only in the second sentence:
The next one is only in the following paragraph:
There are many more!
Please get a life!
The observation that so many people rely on twitter for news makes me quake with fear. Trump’s use of them surely negates any positive value for anyone dealing with journalists or politicians.
Precisely. And the people who were swayed by Facebook ads and fake articles written in broken English? I think Aristotle said something about how an uneducated (read: stupid) voting populace is a danger to democracy.
So the trump hating media is now a souse for fake news against a Democrat?
Glenn, You are rather diplomatic and generous with your assessments… or maybe don’t want to come right out and say it. All of these falsehoods and half truths leveled at Donna’s revelations are calculated obfuscations designed to confuse and do exactly what you outline in this article. Then a few days later they retract… after the damage has been done. Then I’m online battling it out with Hillary Trolls full of righteous indignation and hellfire that I would even suggest that Donna was telling the truth. And to a person, completely impervious to anything remotely close to the truth. It reminds me of the primary.
The article clearly establishes that journalists have been repeating falsehoods. But are they trying to fool the public, or are they just trying to fool themselves? Mr. Greenwald does not identify with the Democratic Party; he can laugh at their foibles without undermining his own sense of self worth. Democratic pundits are in a more tenuous situation; they support a corrupt party that hasn’t had a new idea in 20 years. They can’t acknowledge the moral bankruptcy of their own party and still maintain self respect. A few cling to sanity by continually repeating to themselves that whatever their failings, the Republicans are worse. The rest are forced to create fake narratives as a coping mechanism and have developed a prodigious capacity for self deception in order to believe in those narratives
As the fortunes of their party continue to fade, the false narratives they create bear ever less resemblance to reality. They have long since passed the point at which they are capable of fooling the public. As gullible as the public may be, it lacks the degree of imagination necessary for self deception on the scale of the Democrats. Nobody in the real world has any doubt that the DNC worked furiously to undermine the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. Even the former Chair of the DNC said so. The pundits may tweet until their fingers fall off, but they’ll never convince the public otherwise.
So these sad, lost propagandists on Twitter are not a ‘menace’ to anybody, except possibly themselves.
An interesting point, BM, but I can’t help believing that these propagandists know they’re lying.
good point Benito. As long as I’ve been alive the main function democratic party has been to manage the inequality created by it’s wealthy donors. It’s hard to imagine that most people don’t sense this on some level.
“Mr. Greenwald does not identify with the Democratic Party; he can laugh at their foibles without undermining his own sense of self worth. Democratic pundits are in a more tenuous situation; they support a corrupt party that hasn’t had a new idea in 20 years. They can’t acknowledge the moral bankruptcy of their own party and still maintain self respect.”
This is the key to understanding the staleness of US media and the ostracization/originality/freedom of people like Greenwald. Awesome statement.
Most of the dem-oriented journalists pumping this stuff on Twitter are just desperate to theatrically assuage their damaged self-respect and sense of moral/narrative integrity. But I don’t agree that they’re not menaces. They absolutely hold many, many people’s ideologies in check with their self-protection. They are terrible enablers where political policy is concerned. They are probably really ‘cool’ awesome people but in terms of politics and policy they are menaces and should be confronted and replaced with people who actually serve a positive function politically.
I’ll add – because this topic keeps coming up in these comments – that most of this has little to do with Twitter. If we didn’t have Twitter to spread dangerous headlines and takes, the same nonsense would simply play out on a cable news round table, an editorial board meeting, Facebook ‘news’ feed, or a WaPo headline/paragraph combination that is minimally corrected. If you’d like evidence of that claim just watch CNN discussion of Brazile and judge for yourself.
I do think Twitter is a problem – and a problem that shows its reach visually to the user, in real time, while also making itself easy to cut-and-paste into digital columns – but as compared to Facebook, Fox News and NY Times op eds, at least Twitter offers SOMETHING that’s not awful, and much that is valuable. Quote re-tweeting alone offers value far beyond anything those other powerful news source mediums offer
But there are people on here claiming that people who use Twitter don’t merit respect. Jesus. Greenwald uses Twitter behavior as a whipping post in this and other columns – perhaps without thinking about it too much – likely because: 1. it’s easiest to quickly cut-and-paste, 2 it clearly shows the tweeter’s ID, and 3 shows the numbers of likes and retweets. Cable news and Facebook and newspaper columns don’t offer that formatting punch.. doesn’t mean Twitter itself is necessarily the problem. It’s most definitely a player in the problem.. but I think we need some caution.
Though I am acutely aware of its issues and barely ever used it until this year because I was afraid of how i could handle it, I personally find twitter much more helpful, news and policy-wise, than any of the other mediums. Used properly I find it very growth-inducing. And I think to use it properly one needs a healthy dose of media critics to help curate and sift through truth from fiction.. critics like Greenwald, Adam Johnson, and critics of Greenwald and Johnson. So you see Twitter has not at all taken over my soul, it has merely convinced me that I need to endlessly go around in meta-criticism cycles and then promote the cycles’ virtues in Sunday morning comments sections
“As gullible as the public may be, it lacks the degree of imagination necessary for self deception on the scale of the Democrats.”
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You’re the best Benito. hahahah
So was Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort indicted or not?
True. I forgot to mention that another good coping mechanism is changing the subject.
Yeah, right.
“Coping” — that’s the ticket.
You get to flee reality for another moment or two.
That’s the problem with your desperate efforts to sustain your
lie“false narrative” that the Russians weren’t active in the 2016 US election.Facts can be as slow as changing season but much faster than your ability to deny them with stupid psychobabble.
Why are the facts so slow?
Responsible people don’t make half-assed claims to fit the deceptions of dilettantes like those who gather on this site.
Thank you for your non-stop, excellent reporting. Clarifying such issues brings reality to light and helps to stop the overwhelming insanity found on line.
Over here in Europe we call those propagandist reporters ‘gekaufte journalisten’.
One of them wrote a book with that title and decided to instead of living with lies , it was better to die with the truth. Hommage to Udo Ulfkotte.
Media of all types have always been part of the mind control of the masses by the elites. You would think it might be better now but with the dumbed down masses on flakebook and twit er, snap crap and others it is easier than ever to delude the masses. Hey, billions, yes, billions believe in the invisible MAN in the sky so believing Tweedledum or Tweedledee politicians have your interests at heart is a piece of cake. So sad because the truth is out there, just hard to find and prove.
People are not willing to practice due diligence but rather want to know what to think from their particular trusted source
Here’s an idea: Make all emails and other documents of both DNC and RNC public by law. What do they have to hide?
Hillary’s State Department emails WERE supposed to be available by law, to the American public. However she hid many on her own machines and destroyed some, because she didn’t want the public to find out exactly how criminal her activities were, from the power and vantage point of that office.
I hope you continue this kind of coverage on a regular basis. I am appalled by the lack of ethical journalism today … even from the bastions of journalism. We have to have a system of checks and balances in this most important area of public life.
You’re very incisive, most of the time, Glenn Greenwald. You are here, as well. You weren’t when you wrote what you did on Twitter after the Rebecca Tuvel incident blew up on social media, though. It was very disappointing.
Tuvel’s argument is logical but it is based on fallacious definitions which are the subject of much contention within certain circles, Tuvel provides a sort of glossary at the bottom of her paper of definitions that some of her harshest critics on social media are responsible for, as much as Tuvel is. Basically what she wrote in her “transracialism” piece was a straw man argument constructed out definitions that go unexamined in the pop, right wing and even the lefty media.
Tuvel waded ankle deep into the issues many would portray her as “tackling”. What Tuvel wrote was nonsensical and very out of touch with anything except the self sustaining cult of personality which provides the echo chamber of distortion from which her “analysis” grew out of like contagious bacteria of a very insidious disease from a rancid culture medium.
If you really want to dig down deep, follow the anti medical privacy public policy initiatives recently put out by The Fenway Institute and the Center for American Progress( both of which have close ties to the Clinton Foundation) which are also promoted by Lambda Legal. One of the proposals is to have people of a certain demographic put on an HIV registry, not to mention recommending violating the letter and spirit of HIPPA, as well as encouraging medical providers to violate privacy laws on the books in at least half the states in the U S, and places like Ireland, for a certain vulnerable demographic.
I feel, however, you, as a gay male, would probably fail to recognize the harm promoted by groups who advocated on behalf of people with HIV/AIDS when they were genuinely grassroots organizations. The problem is, these groups have amassed great political and financial power and have hegemonically moved into areas far out of their field of expertise, as has Tuvel, and you have, through the support you lent to her very harmful assertions and and carefully constructed sophistry on an issue she has demonstrated a great deal of ignorance about.
I might be attacked for being off topic. I don’t think I am at all. The CAP is a problem directly related to the topic this article is about. Few realize how far their nefarious reach extends, however. Also, whatever Glen Greenwald writes from no on, regardless of the depth of his analyses, will also be read in the context of the ignorance he displayed in entertaining the false equivalencies put forth by Rachel Tuvel and her accomplices in the media and academia.
> what you did on Twitter after the Rebecca Tuvel incident blew up on social media
for the curious: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/861204776616415232
Glenn…thx for your most excellent journalism which I have followed since 2005 or so, and also to your colleagues at the Intercept, or at least most of them—thank you thank you thank you.
On a related note, please use your influence to persuade management to invest in a proper commenting forum. With all due respect, this one still really, really sucks and I think many other guests would agree.
Peace
NWW
I agree about the commenting forum. When one posts a comment, one is thrown out of the comments section back to the beginning article instead of just being added. The Guardian has a much better system.
Agreed – and some of us (as in me, for example) could actually write a better comment system from scratch. OR, they could just use Disqus. … IDK if it costs money, though – for small sites, it’s free.
I reccoed Discus before the site started. I’m told that a better system is on the way.
Let us pray.
Cool, thanks Bill, can’t come soon enough! Maybe by Christmas! :-)
Another false claim I’ve seen is how magnanimous Clinton was by raising money to fund down-ballot candidates. In reality, only less than a half a percent went to those candidates. The majority of that money went directly to the Clinton campaign, which is essentially money laundering.
That claim was most famously made by George Clooney when he defended the fund raiser he sponsored. It lead to what I call the 1st Law of the DNC: “You need Big Money to fight Big Money while getting paid Big Money”.
Did I mention that crooked Hillary Clinton tried to win an election? Why won’t she play fair?
Actually, HRC tried to win that election twice. If the skulduggery of her ’08 campaign operatives (Obama is a Muslim? + pic to support the insinuation and/or maybe he’d be assassinated) wasn’t enough, she came back with twice the institutional support in ’16. I could have cared less if Clinton/DNC had opened the full treasure chest of “dirty tricks” to defeat Trump – he’d have deserved it – but her campaign didn’t do that. Rather, the DNC cleared the field (foamed the runway, declared a coronation, take your pick) in ’14 (see Charles Pierce at Esquire); that was a fucking blunder. And, rather the DNC, with Clinton’$, turned the Democratic primary into thumb-on-the-scales-game for a candidate who polled badly. And, rather the DNC, the consultants, and the media pranced through shopping malls and exclusive boutiques preening at the fine garments they would all wear at the victory party, certain there was no way she could lose to Trump.
Sure. She’s a double cheater. Maybe we should call her crooked-crooked Hillary.
If there’s one thing indisputably true about US presidential elections, it’s that the crooks never win.
Kennedy never cheated Nixon, Johnson never cheated anyone, living or dead, Nixon wasn’t a crook, and Ford’s election victory was as clear and free of connivance as any in American history.
I don’t know about Carter though. He probably didn’t cheat. Right? How could he have been elected if he had cheated?
And Reagan had nothing to do with Iran, Bush, the first one, was such a noble patrician that they made him a director of the CIA — and if you can’t trust the CIA, who can you trust? Right?
And Bill Clinton? He never would have been elected had people known how many murders Hillary would arrange in the years to come. He waited until after his election to lie and cheat. Of course that second Bush almost lost when Gore’s people tried to steal the election from him in Florida. Thankfully the sacred voting rites in America prevented the cheater from winning yet again.
That’s how I know Trump didn’t cheat with the Russians.
Americans will never elect a cheater!
Oh say can you see … (something, something, something) … land of the free and home of the brave.
… land of the free and home of the brave.
That’s the part where I turn my back and stare at the ground. Kind of like wearing a different color Croc on each foot. Always interesting to see who’s brave enough to ask if you think know what you’re doing.
I’ve made no secret that I don’t like Hillary much, but if she’s wanted to empty her own personal bag of tricks on Trump, I’d have laughed. Instead she chose to call him various shades of uncouth. Whoopee? What a campaigner!
At the risk of being doubly or triply unfashionable, let me be explicit.
I find Clinton’s political machinations uninteresting, irrelevant and not particularly significant. They are certainly not worth the hysterical sort of arm-waving Mr. Greenwald routinely engages in.
HRC is politically dead. Pennies on her eyes, wrapped in white, lilies clasped to her bosom, and with a Bach funeral dirge playing loudly in the background.
D-E-A-D — Dead, dead, dead.
If you and the rest of the celebrants here want to sing “Ding Dong” along with the Mayor of the Munchkins, go for it.
As a licensed sin-eater, I reserve my absolute right to sneer while an orange-hued madman dances among the drooling idiots feasting on dug up corpses in the cemetery.
You see mismatched Crocs while I see a Hieronymus Bosch painting come to life.
Oh, for Pity’s sake, Milton. I’m very much aware that Clinton is dead politically. Perhaps I never should have mentioned her name (blasphemy for anyone not Her supporter?). My comments were intended/directed for/at the DNC and the Democratic Party. In response to this piece of Glenn’s, you’ve raised her name more than anyone else. Tell me, do you have all kinds of good, happy feelings about where the Democratic Party (and the DNC) is headed in relation to 2020?
And, while I’m not quite where you are wrt Hieronymus Bosch, I’d caution that in your fears, you endeavor to hold the victims harmless.
I think you mean blameless rather than harmless.
With that I agree.
This seems to be lost among the posters here. From a strict utilitarian perspective, I am convinced that more will suffer as a direct result of Trump’s policies than if the presidency were occupied by a retarded tree sloth.
So far I’ve seen nothing that would change my opinion.
It is odd that GG does not provide access to the DNC-HFA agreement.
From his account of it mentioned in the supposed first fallacy, for good reason: his claim the agreement gives HFA control over the primaries is baseless; the emphasized (in blue) section of the agreement gives the HFA access to publications of other candidates when they are published, not the authority to change them!!!
spin cycle
Spin cycle indeed!!!
…And yet, the laundry is STILL dirty!
Touche’…….
It gets filthier with every go-round.
They need to pour in a few tons of bleach.
Guaranteed to make all your whites whiter, and turn all those spurious other colors a uniform shade of Gray Lady.
-chuckle!-
Great article. I was going to write something like this, and now I don’t have to. Yay!
One small but significant error, though, is this:
“There’s no way to prove the negative: that no emails or documents published by WikiLeaks were altered. ”
In fact, because most if not all of the emails were cryptographically signed using DKIM (Domain Keys Identified Email) you definitely *can* prove they were not altered.
This is relatively simple to do. Wikileaks appears to be incorporating it their archive, as you can see here, for example:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/44718
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that the domain owner could change the keys they use to sign emails, making past valid emails appear invalid. I assume someone has thought to archive all the signing keys at the time of the release…
What is it that you think the link to Wikileaks proves?
First, unless you have access to the original message as it appears on the email server, there is nothing to compare it to for verification.
Second, if you follow the DKIM link there, here is what Wikileaks itself says:
“the failure of the validation process has little meaning. It definitely does not mean the email is invalid, it just has not been positively validated in this way. ”
In other words, the DKIM code itself is not a verification of authenticity because an email can be changed in ways that are not captured by that system.
Not so fast!
Actually, the message’s signature DOES confirm content. Check out section 5.3 and section 8 (in particular, 8.1).
http://dkim.org/specs/rfc4871-dkimbase.html
My quote comes from Wikileaks (last paragraph on the page):
https://www.wikileaks.org/DKIM-Verification.html
From the link you provided, it would seem DKIM is meant to verify identity and content between sent and received messages, not provide a permanent authenticity signature.
John,
DKIM confirms the From, To, Subject and Date header fields, and optionally others, as well as the content of the message. It positively verifies that the message in question was sent from that email server, From that sender, To that recipient with that Subject on that Date, and that it had exactly that content, including any attached document. You can’t change even a comma or extra space character without it barfing.
If DKIM validates, then you know the person really did send that email.
If DKIM fails to validate then it’s an open question. It’s possible that some header field was altered in transit, or it could be something else that messes up the DKIM algorithm in a way that doesn’t actually change the message itself. Or, it could be modified in some way, or forged.
That’s why WikiLeaks offers the caveat “the failure of the validation process has little meaning. It definitely does not mean the email is invalid, it just has not been positively validated in this way. ”
Of the DNC, DCCC and Podesta emails I would guess that almost all of the ones sent between them (not necessarily the spam they received!) have valid DKIM signatures. Just guessing. But they were likely either sent via large, professional service providers like Google or by government servers that are configured with this capability. Actually, here is a link that has a link to a spreadsheet with results for all the emails. http://solsticlipse.com/2016/10/21/Verifying-Wikileaks-DKIM-Signatures.html
Some email clients have plugins that allow you to check this yourself. You can copy the raw email messages from WikiLeaks into Thunderbird, for example, and verify for yourself that they were not altered. Out of curiosity I did this for a few of them, but obviously this is easy for WikiLeaks to do as part of the display process on their site.
If at least two of these false claims were invented by old school mainstream media as this article shows, then the “spread by social media” emphasis seems a bit weird — especially since quite a bit of correcting on the falseness of these stories has ALSO been spread by social media.
Also worth noting: the only way I knew to check this article out was because I was on Twitter where I follow Glenn Greenwald and other people worth paying attention to.
How dumb. You don’t have to find articles or see mentions of interesting articles by reading Twitter. There are hundreds of political blogs and news sites that give links to or mention articles. And when you find a website or writer you like, you can bookmark that site. I got to this particular GG article by reading links at the Real Clear Politics site.
“It can certainly be menacing for Russian bots to disseminate divisive messaging on Twitter . .”
It can be, but . .
“. . what makes a social media account part of Putin’s invasion force?
. . according to Twitter, it is ANY account created in Russia. Or any account where the user has a Russian email address. Or if their name contains Cyrillic characters. Or if they ever tweet in Russian. Or if they have ever logged in from any Russian IP address — even a single time. Twitter says: We considered an account to be Russian-linked if it had even one of the relevant criteria.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11/03/don-draper-rules-russian-ads-and-american-madness/
Well, that would likely include me (a non_Russian speaking, native Californian) since I use the Opera browser with VPN service that, occasionally, routes me through Russian servers. (Gives the appearance that my IP Address is in Russia.) In reality, that’s NOT so.
“In reality, that’s NOT so.”
maybe, but I think the quote refers to twitter accounts.
That definition of “Russian-linked” certainly fits in with the new McCarthyism where anything and everybody “Russian” is nefarious by definition as those criteria basically encompass every Russian. Which of course will be interesting when anti-Putin Russians attempt to post Tweets which then get censored.
The mainstream media has proven itself to be the lapdog and attack dog for power. They have zero credibility and it’s a shame what they have become. But when people realize that the media is responsible for the division we have now. Remember how they were with Sanders? They ignored him, even when he was filling arenas. They rather have an empty podium for hours waiting for trump than show the masses being awakened. They attacked him mercilessly on tv and in the Washington post . I, like so many, refuse to watch because they are completely corrupt, in collusion with other governments.
The mainstream media proved that a very long time ago. Where have you been? MSM has always been the mouthpiece for establishment propaganda. I got rid of my TV years ago because of the incessant crap being promulgated as “news” (with the possible exception of the weather report and sports scores). Add to that the propaganda in television drama and comedy scripts.
The week that Bernie announced his candidacy, Meat the Press made no mention at all of the fact that a second candidate was officially running for the Democratic nomination. That was the first overt indication that NBC and it’s subsidiary, MSDNC were out to fuck him and the voters over.
We need honest, responsible journalism and The Intercept is one of the few accurate and honest news sites that currently exists. You might not always like what you read here, but in the case of factual statements you can believe what you read here.
Agreed.
Just want to say we are so grateful to you have you around and the creation of the public record you make. Appreciative of Mr. Omidyar for helping you do it.
The Wikileaks guy writes a pro-Wikileaks piece… stop the presses. This article was more palatable minus the last #hoax. Shameless self-promotion.
Didn’t read it, didja?
demos have a brilliant two front strategy
working tirelessly for impeachment and a Pence presidency
and defending their own pus-filled core at every opportunity
precisely. And Pence is just the guy to protect that pus-filled core, in the “Democratic” mind. The only reason why Trump isn’t, is that he’s richer than Hillary, and she resents that deeply. But Pence is just your average, hardworking, nose-to-the-grindstone psychopathic, war mongering bigot. Just like Hillary.
Can’t really feel sorry for Ms. Brazile.
That’s how corruption works. One joins them, gets sold out, and finally eaten – by their own.
Karma.
Surely you get that this is not remotely about whether we “feel sorry” for her or not.
Big news from The Intercept’s Glenn Greenwald.
Hillary Clinton’ elbowed Bernie Sanders out of the Democratic nomination just like the Wikileaks stolen documents claimed. Even fellow crook Donna Brazile revealed this vile bit of political skulduggery while trying to elbow Clinton out of the nomination with Joe Biden.
But because the format of Twitter restricts in-depth analysis, gullible journalists repeated false claims made by non-lawyers who hadn’t carefully read the involved documents.
Forget the Russians. Forget Trump. Forget the
Swift Boat Veterans for TruthRussian bots. Forget Mueller. Forget Papadopoulus. Forget it all.Trump is president because that vile and crooked Hillary Clinton made an insider deal with Democrats to help her win the presidency. Isn’t that despicable??!
It’s a good thing we have an astute and altruistic businessman like Donald Trump as President. Think what he might have done with with the sort of skulduggery crooked Hillary Clinton is named for!! He would have won by a landslide. Even the millions of illegal voters would have voted for him.
We should be investigating crooked Hillary Clinton instead of the guy who wants to make America great again. As he says, the news is fake news and anyway it’s all rigged by rich insiders who want to enrich themselves.
Did I mention that crooked Hillary Clinton tried to win an election? Why won’t she play fair? Why is crooked Hillary so crooked?
Sure the election is over, but let’s not forget the crookedness of crooked Hillary Clinton.
And maybe it’s off topic, but what about the Canadian uranium? What does crooked Hillary have to say about her colluding with the Russians? And what about Fusion GPS colluding with foreign agents and Russian spies to find dirt on Donald Trump? Mueller should be investigating crooked Hillary instead of this McCarthyite hoax about Trump and the Russians.
Why won’t the fake news do it’s proper job instead of beating this dead Russian horse?
Crookedness is bipartisan.
well that’s the most fun I ever had reading a milton post
milltone wiltedfellow hunnee u ned won uv thees to hep u right u nex oopus magdum don u no.
http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/11/an-octopus-typewriter-by-courtney-brown/
“oopus magdum”, love it and the link.
Doesit come with some free red ink? I’m sure that will be a mitigating factor for Wiltin’ Marshmellow,
Truly lovely. But he’s already got Goldman Sachs’ vampire blood-funnel squid writing for him. Its got even more tentacles.
Still hangin onto the illogical thought pattern that a person who opposes A, supports B.
How untrue and how unoriginal. Get a new argument. The old one has been beaten beyond being a dead horse, even a Russian deadhorse.
All of the smear tactics Democratic followers have been trained to use don’t work on Donna Brazile, an African-American woman who has risen to the top heights of Democratic Party politics.
As a result, they are at a complete loss what to do or say about this. So the most devoted partisan hacks, like Milton, simply ignore Donna Brazile’s existence – they literally erase her and pretend she doesn’t exist – and instead try to attribute her revelations to me or to others.
Hence, Brazile’s revelations about corruption inside the DNC become, for people like him: “Big news from The Intercept’s Glenn Greenwald.”
On the contrary, the “Democrats” have never failed to indulge in blatant racism when it helped to float their boat. Recall Bill hustling his chunky buttocks back down to Arkansas to kill Ricky Ray Rector, to clinch the election, which even their own mouthpiece acknowledges:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/5/22/520138/-
or Hillary’s own utterly vile treatment of the young woman who called her anti-racist bona-fides into question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnyKSDOTKI
or her pushing hubby for the everything-to-prison pipeline and
“effective death penalty”, not to mention to “end to welfare as we know it”
If the endemic “Democratic” racism hasn’t had time yet to rear its head in this instance, give it a minute or two…
Nice reversal. Did you learn that ju-jitsu trick from Karl Rove (GWB the war hero v. JK the cowardly vet) or Donald Trump (it was the DNC that colluded with Russia agents)?
You don’t smear. You’re above all that. Only ” the most devoted partisan hacks like Milton” smear because they can’t defend the DNC.
Here’s a news flash. The corruption of the DNC was evident when Wikileaks published Podesta’s stolen emails. It was evident in the intraparty struggle between Perez and Ellison. I think you covered that in several articles. It was evident in Clinton’s incredibly lame defense of her candidacy. Now Donna Brazile writes about Clinton’s political machinations like it’s some sort of revelation — when every slur against Clinton delivered by Republicans (“lock her up”), Trump (“you’re the puppet, you’re the puppet”) and disappointed Bernie supporters (of whom I include myself) included the same set of smears for the last twenty five years.
This ground has been covered like a Wal-Mart parking lot — graded, graveled, asphalted, smoothed and painted all for the consumers’ convience. Btw, did you know HRC was on the Wal-Mart board when she called unions parasites?
I’m not going to defend the corporatists running the DNC, even though you want to dismiss my complaint with your own smear. Like many of the mind readers commenting here, your mind-reading has more to do with you than with me.
The struggle is pretty simple. Either government regulates commerce or commerce regulates government. I understand that it is difficult for Libertarians to understand this concept of State power as anything but tyranny.
Next time you want to read my mind in order to deliver an off the cuff smear, I suggest you read what I write rather than defensively attributing views to me that I don’t hold, that I explicitly reject and which you clearly cannot comprehend.
“Smoothed and painted”? Hardly. I’m sure you’ve noticed the DNC denies any corruption. When interviewing Robby Mook on CNN, Anderson Copper characterized Brazile’s description of events as a “yarn”. The Clinton machine clearly has undo influence in the corporate media. Glenn’s article is about that type of journalistic collusion. It’s not about any new revelations of impropriety within the DNC as you implied, except as it relates to the corrupt nature of those journalists who knowingly spread falsehoods. I’m glad that Glenn is writing about journalistic corruption. In my view, the duplicity on the part of the press seriously undermines democracy. The more exposure this gets, the better.
If Anderson Cooper’s inability to pin down Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook is your measure of “journalistic corruption,” what do you consider a journalistic holding to account?
This story of DNC infighting is — as I’ve indicated — old news. Last February, Tom Perez even acknowledged (before retracting it) that the nomination process had been rigged against Sanders. Mr. Greenwald wrote about it at the time. {Feb 9, 2017, Tom Perez Apologizes for Telling the Truth, Showing Why Democrats’ Flaws Urgently Need Attention]
In fact, The Intercept has this topic covered quite extensively. Search “DNC Perez” for a listing of TI articles about the corruption of the Democrats.
So why do we need another article about the f-ed up Dems?
I’m not a mind-reader, so I cannot say. However, if you watch the video of Greenwald canoodling with Tucker Carlson on Fox News, (google it) you see yet another denial by Greenwald of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. Fox News!!
Mr. Greenwald has been pushing this story as proof of the out-of-touch Democrats who would rather rely on “McCarthyism” (a misleading slur often used by Greenwald) than to change the party reliance on wealthy donors. I think this analysis is both wrong and unfair and have said so at various times.
Besides Brazile’s recent book release, something else of huge significance happened recently. Can you guess what it was?
Mueller’s indictment of three Trump campaign members, including his campaign manager Paul Manafort certainly should be front page news.
As I say, I cannot read minds, but I think Mr. Greenwald should reconsider — or at least address — his McCarthyism theme. Maybe there’s substance to the Trump “collusion” with Russia that has nothing to do with the policy of diversion and distraction by the DNC in light of these indictments.
Instead he chooses to repeat a story — Brazile’s version anyway — that has preoccupied several contributors to The Intercept over the last year.
I have more to say on this topic, but since the usual chorus of toadying congratulations for Mr. Greenwald drowns out any sort of dissent, and since he has called me a “partisan hack” to explain his refusal so far to address these indictments, then I have little more to contribute.
If accuracy is the goal, shouldn’t it apply equally to The Intercept as it applies to CNN?
I think you may have misread my comment. It was Anderson Cooper who characterized Brazile’s description of events as “yarn”, not Robby Mook. In other words, CNN was carrying the water for the Clinton’s, as is typically the case. I highlighted that Anderson Cooper moment because it perfectly illustrates what’s wrong with MSM.
Again, Glenn’s article is about the “f-ed up” toady journalists who propagate bullshit talking points in service to the DNC. Do you deny that the journalists who disseminate falsehoods are corrupted?
Words matter to me.
So when you say “corrupted” (a word I would use myself if I was being sloppy or lazy), I sort of cringe.
Yes, “corrupt” is a functional word for those who intentionally spread untruths.
But also “no” because many journalists — writers, people, speakers for agencies. professionals, kind people, etc. — have a point of view that colors or influences their understandings.
For each and every human being truth can be variable — even opposite. We can agree gravity makes us fall, but a toddler’s fall and an octogenarian’s fall are two entirely different experiences.
I am viscerally suspicious of anyone claiming to have the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
When “liar” or “partisan hack” leads a dispute, I’ll tend to side with the accused rather than the accuser simply because the aggression inherent in the charge needs more support than ordinary discourse requires.
Bullies accuse. Reasonable people discuss. Liberals seek dissent; authoritarians demand conformity. These traits can be “felt” underneath the words a person uses — even on Twitter.
So is Anderson Cooper’s use of the word “yarn” (thank you for the correction) referring to Brazile’s book when speaking with Robbie Mook corrupt? I don’t know. I’d have to listen to the entire context to get a good idea. Maybe AC was being ironic or maybe generous or maybe polite or maybe referring to something Mook had said. I don’t know.
But in general, people who lie regularly and with intent — even, like Trump, those who lie with reckless ignorance and/or personality disorder — should be called out for their lies. But similarly, those who Javert-like sniff out the corruption in ordinary people going about their ordinary business should feel a bit more restraint than many apparently feel here at TI.
I resent the use of the words “partisan hack” to attack me — if you want to morph that into “corruption,” as a second hand redirected attack, then I resent that also. If you want the truth, then tell the truth.
Do you think Anderson Cooper spreads “fake” news? Is there some sort of “corruption” quotient that you (or someone) might apply equally to — say — Tucker Carlson, Anderson Cooper, or Rachel Maddow (three media personalities with varying and distinct degrees of credibility in my opinion — from least to most, respectively)?
The journalistic falsehoods documented by Glenn in his article above are incontrovertible.
Hahahaha
I think you mean to say you’re tired of the conversation.
Why not try, “I’m right and I don’t want to discuss it anymore.” We’ve all heard that withdrawal a few times.
Although you should probably check the meaning of “incontrovertible” if you think any claims of “journalistic falsehoods” Mr. Greenwald makes fall into the “incontrovertible” bucket. It is impossible to report on someone else’s narrative with 100 % accuracy — like mind reading, you will always read what you want rather that what is actually there. We humans are funny that way.
You’ll probably find more useful information in the “rhetorical” bucket. Also check the “conspiracy” bucket. And peek into the Libertarian bucket.
So I take it you believe that one or more of the falsehoods aren’t demonstrably false. Which one(s) and on what specific rationale do you apply to come to that conclusion?
Okay.
First, the article itself is a deception — a bait and switch.
Ostensibly, it’s about social media platforms and political discourse.
The rest of the article (excluding the fake introduction) isn’t about Twitter or Facebook, Snapchat or Reddit. It’s about the perfidy of the Democratic Establishment’s response (via unidentified news readers) to Brazile’s book — a book being teased (with excerpts) by political reporters. It’s clickbait designed to attract like-minded people who accept without much skepticism, the reality of fake news. In short, if not Trump supporters, anti-Clinton cultists.
Facebook? Nonsense. This is a directed attack against the Establishment wing of the Democratic party — “Clintonites” for ease of reference — although GG’s first link revealingly includes a derisive reference to “Clinton cultists.”
And if you want to protest my observation of deception, read the comments and tell me if the vast majority of comments have anything at all to say about social media platforms, political discourse or how Twitter “is in large part responsible for this damage [to political discourse.]” Most separate into three main categories: GG affirmations, spite directed towards lying journalists and fake news, and analyses of Brazile’s purported claims vis a vis DNC claims. This last topic is the true subject of this article and the comments sections verify this.
Second, as far as I can determine the various political opinions — delivered by journalists, commenters, pundits, cited sources and various other opinion injectors — separate into preexisting political camps (perhaps by the author’s design, intentional or otherwise.) These pre-existing camps have little to do with facts, proofs, or anything remotely “incontrovertible.” If the author doesn’t understand this dynamic of “factual” debate, he should browse some climate change literature. Facts tend to be more a matter of expert consensus rather than personal testimony or distortions fabricated by commercial or political interests.
Since I haven’t read Brazile’s book, since I can’t know who is responding to which claim from which camp … and since I distrust Mr. Greenwald’s objectivity due to his obvious antipathy for HRC — I find myself distracted by the obvious advocacy masquerading as analysis.
For instance, the section entitled “Sanders signed the same agreement with the DNC that Clinton did.” (a “viral” claim whatever the hell that means.) proceeds to use ABC as the standard for truth disproving a viral claim never established. If I’m not mistaken, ABC news counts as media. Is ABC fake or not? If fake, you don’t get to use it as a source for verification; if not fake, then obviously not all journalists are deceived by viral claims.
Instead, what follows is an abstract speculation that tends to prove — affirm — the author’s existing bias.
If I was an attorney, I’d ask quesions like
1. Who provided the original “falsehood” (why wouldn’t “error” be a suitable word?)
2. Who linked this erroneous factoid and who published it without themselves checking its accuracy? How do you know? How has it appeared in mainstream media — other than where ABC seems to rectify this error?
3. Who cares? Literally, as I’ve argued several times, only political junkies care. This isn’t a damnation of Twitter or fake news. It’s an epistemological debate rather than a political (or social media) ethnography.
4. Where is the effort to bring an error to someone’s attention — via Twitter, email, telephone or even snail mail? You generally don’t get to accuse people of neglect if they have no knowledge of that which they’ve presumably neglected.
Third, as someone on the main thread points out, lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because no one from the Clinton camp has not provided evidence of modification of emails isn’t proof emails weren’t modified. Further, it seems to me that modification of Podesta’s emails isn’t the point. Rather the reality — the emails existence in the craposhere — is more the issue. Why would anyone bother to modify the emails anyway?
That which is acknowledged — and has been acknowledged for months serves the purpose of the email promulgators (whether an “innocent” Wikileaks or a Russian catspaw Wikileaks.) The issue isn’t content, the issue is intent — which even Perez admitted before he corrected himself. I don’t know of anyone — including myself – who have even read those emails. Have you? That’s how unimportant the content — there’s presumably nothing there but political pros trying to win an election.
Who cares?
These are just a few of my objections to the word “incontrovertible.”
It’s a nonsense word for a steaming pile of political advocacy.
Your responses are rambling and diffused. Needless to say, you haven’t shown any of the four falsehoods to be erroneous. Rather then delve into specifics, you seem to be more interested in obfuscating.
Red Herring is Milton’s middle name. He’s rather fond of it as you can see.
He relies on obfuscation because he’s can’t face the fact that the country chose FrankenTrump over his beloved HRC.
I honestly have no reason or intent to obfuscate, evade or bore.
Your article is a mess and if my best attempt to respond is “rambling and diffuse” then it’s not my response you should worry about.
1. The article itself is a bait and switch platform designed to deliver political talking points.
2. Not one example/assertion of this “viral” sequence of “lie/propagate/ignore” is established as true or false. Which “journalists” were spreading the falsehood of identical agreements?
For instance:
This is simply gibberish concluded with an irresponsible and gratuitous aspersion. Some agreement Clinton signed differed form the same agreement Sanders signed or maybe it was a different agreement. I honestly can’t tell what the agreement was (something about control of the party in the general election), why it was different (or why not the same) as one Sanders signed — it he signed anything at all.
I don’t care anyway. Clinton is a shit, Sanders is a saint, the DNC is ruled by demons and some journalists lie while others don’t lie and I don’t have a golden scorecard so I take everything with a bushel of skepticism.
Not only do you not identify who is spreading this/these falsehood(s) — leaving that to some incoherent surrogate blog entitled “medium” (written with visceral clinton antipathy), that I have no idea of what is being falsely asserted, by whom, in relation to what claim or claims made by Brazile.
YouGreenwald declines to identify any of the many fake newsers. spreading this viral nonsense.You offer confusion and call it deception; you offer an arcane legalism and call it various interpretations evidence of falsehood; you offer a technical dispute and call it proof of corruption.
It’s not twitter fucking things up.
It’s the author of this article.
Is this straightforward and pointed enough for you?
No, you’re not being “honest”; you’re being purposely obtuse. The ABC News report that Glenn highlighted in bold above explicitly states that the agreement between Sanders and the DNC “does not include any language about coordinating on strategic decisions over hiring or budget, unlike a fundraising memo between the Hillary Clinton team and the DNC.”
Yes you do. You’re just frustrated that the facts are not in your favor. That’s life. Stop acting like a petulant child and learn to deal with reality instead of muddying the waters with obfuscation.
This is why Greenwald called him a partisan hack. He’s engages in dishonest debate to further Democratic party positions.
You are arguing with a stone.
More bait and switch.
Let me illustrate with a small analogy.
Jack, in the garden, pulls out a carrot. He says, “This is a carrot, This isn’t a potato and it isn’t a beet. It’s a carrot. And if you don’t agree, you’re being intentionally obtuse — which is to say, dishonest.”
“No, Jack. This article isn’t about carrots except insofar as you can identify carrots as carrots and potatoes as potatoes.before you pull them out of the ground and declare yourself a good boy.”
Reread the title of the article and its first paragraph:
The issue isn’t the carrot. The issue is the determination of what is a carrot or a potato prior to uprooting the buried veggie and being unable to distinguish the one from the other before the fact.
As is usually the case with facts, especially easily determined facts, everyone eventually agrees. I find it difficult to believe that all the “journalists” or partisan quibblers (DNC toadies) refuse to agree on whether something is a potato or carrot after it’s in plain sight. Indeed, as I said, one journalist entity — ABC — says it’s a carrot.
In order to prove your point — GG’s point — that journalists and partisans are being dishonest you must show where they (these “liars”) dispute the meaning of carrot when everyone can see it’s a carrot. This is exactly the process of political discourse — which some (other than me) would call the “dialectic.”
Instead, GG claims — prior to the consensus that a carrot is not a potato and a potato is not a carrot — it’s fair to call their ignorance or confusion or error fraud.
And I do care. My frustration, which you attribute to my desire to dismiss facts, is actually my frustration with my own inability to say exactly what I mean.
Further, I think the subject of this article shouldn’t be how dishonest journalists and DNC partisans are facilitated and absolved by social media but rather how rapidly information flowing from “reporter” to “respondent” prevents fact-checking, fosters erroneous interpretation, lacks any self-correcting mechanism and allows those who actually intend to deceive (see “fake news”) a free hand.
Not only would this second approach be more useful for everyone reading it, it would force GG to restrain his rather obsessive and reflexive antipathy for all things Clinton/DNC — which would be a blessing for GG and for much of the rest of the world.
In you response you say that Glenn called the journalists “liars” who perpetrated a “fraud”. He didn’t say either of those things. He said that they “endorse factually false claims” and “entrench falsehoods in the public’s mind”, both of which are true.
Your carrot analogy isn’t a good one since one doesn’t know what type of vegetable is in the ground since it can’t be seen. Whereas the falsehoods that Glenn described can be determined with a modicum of effort. But even in your flawed carrot analogy, calling them “carrots” while still in the ground (without having seen them) would still be considered a “falsehood”.
A quibble, a cosmetic distinction without significance or substance. The author’s apparent intent — GG’s apparent intent — is to discredit the media in general on one level and to discredit the defenders of the DNC on another.
Notice, for instance, in Mr. Greenwald’s response to me, he resorts to this discreditation strategy by calling me a “partisan hack.” I have no interest in defending Clinton or the DNC. I am interested in accurately portraying the political machinations which led directly to Trump’s victory.
Second, this entire conversation centers not on social media and how it distorts information but rather how speakers for the DNC corrupt the process of acquiring accurate information. This demonstrates (in a small way) my original point. Mr. Greenwald’s article isn’t about social media (as it purports) but rather the duplicity of DNC advocates — how “they endorse factually false claims.”
So one point for me.
Further, Donna Brazile appeared on Morning Joe today in an interesting non-social media forum. (I presume this segment can be found on the MSNBC website.) In that segment, she sort of waffled about what she meant and what the exact agreement was — not a carrot and not a potato, but something else. One of the newsy people tried to pin her down but she refused — for a time — to make a direct answer. Instead she tried to explain there were many more pressing technicalities and procedural issues that made the controversy not so black and white.
But the MSNBC “journalistic” forum had a different agenda. They didn’t seem as interested in clarifying or understanding (or even seeking to “entrench falsehoods in the public’s mind”) but rather imo they intended a conflict.
They seemed more interested in drama than truth.
So leaving Mr. Greenwald’s article aside, there seem several different general points of view regarding the agreement(s) among the DNC, the Clinton camp and the Sanders camp:
1. the view of the DNC defenders 2. the view of the conflict warriors, 3. the view of the anti-Clintonites, and 4. the objective view of what really happened and why.
I don’t think any of these can be extracted with the sort of scientific or empirical certainty that Mr. Greenwald insists is a matter of evidence. Indeed, this knot of facts, intents, uniformed claims, and ordinary inaccuracies and misunderstandings is what makes political discourse so essential. We untangle this Gordian knot with intelligence and care rather than with a sword.
This is why we have courts rather that trial by combat.
Thus I agree with Mr. Greenwald’s initial thesis — that social media interferes with, obstructs or prevents broad political discourse. I strongly object to his reflexive Clinton-antipathy and his anti-democratic (small “d”) assertion that “journalists with the loudest claim to authoritative credibility are using that platform constantly to entrench falsehoods in the public’s mind.” Within a corporate landscape, profits matter more than accuracy — as Fox News and Sinclair Broadcast so clearly demonstrate.
The difference is rational actors inhabiting this modern terrain rather than half-baked conspiracy theories of social brainwashing and devious manipulation of facts.
I still believe in the process — despite the overwhelming evidence that Trump (as one among many) presents.
No, it’s not a “quibble”. You originally disagreed that my assertion that the falsehoods that Glenn described were demonstrable. I asked you to back that up, which you couldn’t. You now attempt to shift the goal posts to suggest that Glenn was making allegations of fraud.
Putting the aside the legal distinctions and your assumptions as to Glenn’s “intent”, in your previous “carrot analogy” you were trying to make the case that the journalists weren’t negligent by virtue of their ignorance. As I mentioned previously, that isn’t a good excuse since accurate information was already being out there. More to the point of our conversation, however, by virtue of your use of your own analogy, you have acknowledged that the claims were indeed “factually false”.
No, it’s not a “quibble”. You originally disagreed that my assertion that the falsehoods that Glenn described were demonstrable. I asked you to back that up, which you couldn’t. You now attempt to shift the goal posts to suggest that Glenn was making allegations of fraud.
Putting the aside the legal distinctions and your assumptions as to Glenn’s “intent”, in your previous “carrot analogy” you were trying to make the case that the journalists weren’t negligent by virtue of their ignorance. As I mentioned previously, that isn’t a good excuse since accurate information was already out there. More to the point of our conversation, however, by virtue of your use of your own analogy, you have acknowledged that the claims were indeed “factually false”.
Good to see more evidence of the moderator’s thumb.
I was beginning to sense too much fair play.
AC is not CNN and CNN is not AC. I don’t pay attention to CNN because I don’t think they’re credible. From what I can tell, CNN’s bias isn’t political but rather towards their revenue. Their guiding principle seems to be “avoid controversy” or “better boring than accurate.”
They’re not journalists, they’re news readers. Their news is an oxymoron — a spectacle of bland, a sparkling empty box.
Actually, I love dissent, if they’ll just publish what I just wrote.
However, in this case, I’m sorry to say, not yours.
You write:
“So why do we need another article about the f-ed up Dems?”
Well, because the Russia delusion (a polite term, I personally prefer the word ‘psychosis’) proceeds apace, a full year after. It’s embedded so deeply that even Masha Gessen – and who could hate Putin more with more reason – has warned that it’s a serious mistake.
But you quibble. Like most people who think in binary terms, to you it appears to be a yes/no question and therefore, the slightest indication of Russia actually being alive on the planet and engaging in what powerful nations engage is means “yes”. Well, you’re wrong.
You write:
“Maybe there’s substance to the Trump “collusion” with Russia that has nothing to do with the policy of diversion and distraction by the DNC in light of these indictments.”
Yes, maybe so. So what?
Meanwhile, one cannot distinguish between the fact of the indictments and the ground we walk on. That witchhunts find real things does not make them a good idea in the first place.
Personally, I’m far more concerned about democrats destroying the country now than I am of Trump destroying it, as likely as the latter may be. May you live long enough to see the results of their medicine. I guess bombs falling on average at a rate of 3 every hour, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year for seven years of Obama’s terms (according to John Pilger) was not enough proof for you.
It’s not that Trump is not a disaster. It’s that there are bigger disasters to focus on.
Of late, the paradise papers are making the rounds. And, yes, so they should. Nothing grabs attention like the devil in the details, and so I applaud them. BUT, I’ve known for years that there was an estimated $20 Trillion to $32 Trillion in offshore accounts belonging to a grand total of ~99,000 people. Trillion. For others who might read this lets remind them that a trillion is a thousand times a thousand times a million.
Further, let’s examine the numbers. If someone, say Iceland (who might not just buy bombs and bullets) were to expropriate, say, $30 Trillion of the larger amount, which could keep the entire planet sitting pretty for about, oh, say, half a century, then still, those 99,000, if they divide up the remaining $2 Trillion equally, would still EACH have ~$22 Million to their names. God, wouldn’t one feel sorry for them.
You need to look at broader pictures, Milton. I thought you used to.
Hang on a minute.
I quibble AND I’m a black and white thinker?
You say you approve of dissent, just not my dissent because you disagree with it?
You tell me you’re more worried about Democrats even though Trump is more likely to “destroy the country” because they’re raining bombs on people across the world?
Trump is a disaster but there are bigger disasters … like something about trillions of dollars offshore?
I appreciate your efforts to dismiss the Russia investigation as psychotic, but sadly I think in your bigger picture you should think about things one at a time. For instance, since indictments have been issued, I find the accusations of Russian interference far from psychotic.
As far as the broader picture, I think climate change and a mass extinction far more compelling than the natterings of a narcissistic nincompoop which are themselves a far broader concern than what Donna Brazile says about some arcane party stuff.
You’re welcome to your opinions, but you don’t get to say your dissent smells sweeter than my dissent. It doesn’t work like that.
That’s petulance. And sophistry.
You say you approve of dissent, just not my dissent because you disagree with it?
That’s not what I said. Only YOU are saying that. You do not sound, however, like a dissenter. You sound like a party loyalist.
I appreciate your efforts to dismiss the Russia investigation as psychotic, but sadly I think in your bigger picture you should think about things one at a time. For instance, since indictments have been issued, I find the accusations of Russian interference far from psychotic.
Actually, you should think of many things at once, as well as thinking of things one at a time. You sound like a 19th century mechanical thinker all the way.
And indictments being issued does not necessarily mean a damned thing. You really need to get out more. Or are you going to argue next that Anne Boleyn must really have been guilty of the things she was tried and convicted for. Nice try.
You’re welcome to your opinions, but you don’t get to say your dissent smells sweeter than my dissent. It doesn’t work like that.
Oh yes, it does work like that. However, this is a false comparison. You are the opposite of a dissenter – you are an enabler, an apologist, and a heckler.
Sh*t Milton. Now you’re ignoring the reason too? You’re editing Greenwald out of context is laughable, especially on this point.
And you’re use of George W. Bush tactic of “Old News” is old as well.
You’ve reverted to Stage 1 again, Denial.
The rest of your post is nothing more than Red Herring. You’d like to say or do anything but talk about new findings and revelations of just how bad HRC is.
Talk about authoritarians. HRC is the worst with her subverting democracy.
And thanks Donna Brazile for bringing this to light.
Par for the course. Distort my words then build a false narrative based upon that distortion
I have NOT ignored Donna Brazile. I do NOT “literally … pretend she doesn’t exist.”
I dispute the importance of a Dem insider confirming what everyone knew in the spring and summer of 2016.
Do you understand the difference between “literally” pretending someone doesn’t exist and disputing the significance of that someone?
Of course not.
You’re too intent on proving your own lack of integrity by distorting and grandstanding to pay attention to details like the meanings of words.
Another Red Herring sited.
It’s not “What”, it’s How.
And it’s extremely important, especially from an insider as it gives credibility. But of course you don’t want that because it proves even further how deep the corruption and authoritarian nature of HRC really is.
Funny, I was thinking the same about you. I’m perfectly content to let other judge this aspect.
“How” meaning the method by which HRC controlled the DNC, their support for HFA and against the Sander’s campaign through a series of agreements, lies and trading of titles and anointment of Superdelegates who would vote for HRC a full 12 months before the nomination.
All of which, you’d like to simply dismiss as “Old News”, which of course, it isn’t. And you’re weak red herrings and other downplaying or diverting strategies only prove Greenwald is correct in labeling that you as a partisan hack.
” Isn’t that despicable??!”
Yes it certainly is.
And thus we have the Clinton/Obama “Dems” to thank for our current horror.
Trump was Hillary’s and the DNC’s expressed choice as an “opponent”.
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
and here’s a beautiful picture of the joyous couples, along with a salient page of the leaked document:
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-clinton-campaign-elevating-trump/
http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
“Brazile writes that she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance camera’s at her home..”
Seeing as Awan’s and Seth Rich are on blackout , this is much more interesting than crooked DNC soap opera. She said she couldn’t find any evidence of “rigging”. Haha Try putting a thumb drive in any port. Must give credit to Niko House for catching this. Not sure which article he pulled it from. I may go looking. This is the best way to dissolve the Russian lies.
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t find Infowars a credible source.
Further, you neglect to mention her fear of Russians in the excerpt immediately prior.
Finally, Brazile is far from a reliable source herself since her goal is to sell books. Excerpts are part of the sales and marketing campaign rather than a fair reflection of what the author actually means.
well we should be flattered that they’re even going through the trouble to refactor reality in this way
as more and more democrats get through grad school, the complexity of the lies need to keep pace
although the overall density of the narrative will just leave us clinging to our own particular tribe anyway
I posted a comment like 45 minutes ago. Still not here.
Seems odd.
Mods, is there a problem with posting links here?
oh please don’t make me type my comment again…
Don’t blame the nice people at The Intercept.
We all know it’s crooked Hillary’s fault.
milton is as bitter as oversteeped tea
Milton, like most Hillary supporters, is still confused about whether insulting voters is a good strategy to get them to vote for you or not.
Yes AiC, yes indeedy. “How Dare You?!?” is their real slogan in a pinch.
In related psychology studies, I figured out why Hillary & the campaign & the regular Democrats I know on Facebook did their utmost to bring attention to the Comey letter (I’m serious: they kept it in the news longer than it would have been). It relates to why they thought “I’m With Her” was a compelling slogan.
Having convinced themselves of the truth of The Tale of The Endless Persecutions of Hillary dating back to the 90s, (which has a bit of truth although not nearly what they would like)
(for example look at milton’s immediate emotional response of “oh you blame hillary again!”),
they REALLY thought the public would share their outrage at Comey! that it would be a damn selling point!! Nobody of course would say this aloud, but it could also be something to blame in case of the loss, the possibility of which was a dark little cloud at the back of their minds.
Comey said that he felt compelled to issue “the letter” in part because of the intense continuing skepticism about the impartiality of the FBI — wrt favoritism towards Clinton — in deciding to NOT prosecute her, skepticism which was turbo-charged by the unseemly tarmac confab between Bill and Loretta Lynch — (which was what propelled Comey into the hot seat … Funny how that sequence of events is never mentioned by Clinton … or that it was her server and her decisions that set that whole ball of wax in motion … Did they think they could “get away with it”, that no one would ever notice all those missing e-mails? I didn’t want her indicted, but hoped for sincere apology, acceptance of responsibility, and admission of poor judgement. Even if we avoid issues of transparency as critical for democracy in allowing citizens to make informed decisions … and record keeping for historians to study and learn.
What I’ve gleaned from various Dem-Loyal tweets and articles is that both Clinton and Biden are considered not just likely but viable candidates in 2020 … and IMHO, that really sez it all
It sure is. When she insulted me, I voted for her four times on election day and then twice again for good measure, the next day.
Glenn, thank you for using logiksiya and reasonski to examine the claims of the journalistic establishment!
What is hilarious, is the reaction at places like Daily Kos.
Now Brazile and Sen. Warren are turncoats to the party. Sen. Warren?
Funny how nobody is saying their critiques against two women, one a woman of color, is based in misogyny or racism.
I guess you only employ the racism/misogyny card against Bernie supports when they criticize certain individual with certain group traits.
Uh-oh. Hadn’t even thought to look. I’m gonna thank you for this reminder, right?
Yeah, I went to DKos last night late just to see what the koolaid drinkers were doing. Made a couple comments against the status quo and got several replies from the #ImWithHer crowd. Complete hypocrites over there. The funniest thing during the election was that during the primaries, Kos couldn’t hate on Sanders enough, trying to shut his campaign by claiming in April that Clinton was now the Democratic candidate. Then, when Clinton won the nomination and chose Tim Kaine, a neoliberal hack for a running mate, Kos went crazy, saying Clinton chose someone who wasn’t ‘liberal” enough. You can’t make this stuff up!
And let’s not forget how they actually treated Bernie during the primaries.
– After he won NH, the democrats went crazy in NV. Started concocting stories about violent Bernie supporters, and repeated all over the MSM.
– Cut off access to the DNC database to the Sanders campaign (only reinstated once Sanders sued them). Somebody should look into where that decision came from
– Removed Tulsi gabbard from some debate because she thought there should be more debates.
– you can add to the list
These fuckers should be jailed
You’re answer as to why the DNC cut access to Sander’s campaign can be found in Podesta emails. The HRC campaign believed he wrongfully accessed HFA data on voters in order to lobby them and change their minds to vote for Bernie.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21086
There is definitely more there than what I posted, but please see for yourself the entire email.
That’s the claim of the DNC, that the Sanders team exploited an error in the system to their advantage. Why not just talk to the Sanders campaign? Why suspend them? If I remember correctly, the Sanders campaign even fired someone over that.
The DNC was DWS during the primaries, and DWS wanted a WH position when Clinton was in office, and this upstart with weird hair was a problem.
@AtheistinChief, if I remember correctly, the Sanders campaign warned the DNC about vulnerabilities in the system that could be used against the Sanders campaign (and may have been). If they followed his advice, they would have solved the error that was eventually exploited by one of Sander’s staff members.
And of course Bernie is still hiding his tax returns. Jane Sanders has her legal problems. Glenn is a longtime fan.
I think that the price of tea in China is actually a better indicator.
your comment relevance? None.
Your Red Herrings are easily seen. Go fling them at your home, PropOrNot.
sorry AIC, this was a story by Amy Dacy that was being monitored by Podesta. My bad.
I’ve been trying to scrub Podesta emails on this but can’t seem to find anything.
thank you Mr. Trump. Let’s jail all political opponents. Bernie lost by millions of votes. His supporters were very ugly on Twitter and alienated many voters with their behavior at the caucuses. They had the same ugly tone you do. Live with it.
The only people that are ugly, are you lying, racist, scumbag, anti-feminist, Hillbots, who called a man who chained himself to a Black woman during the 60s,… a racist and a sexist.
You people gave the world Donald Trump. I’d ask you how it feels, but I’m going to assume you’ve been lying to yourself too much to feel the truth.
Thank you Hillary Clinton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ieMOZwt-eM
Thanks for the link! That’s was Hillaryious!
The twitterstorm surrounding Brazile’s book-release has indeed been something to behold. The fear and loathing w/in Democratic circles is spectacular (and I’m certainly not immune to it), and added to that we have opportunistic sniping from Trump fans and afoxionados.
I’ve numerous questions about what actually happened, from questions of campaign finance legality to timeline issues, to motivation. We might gain some clarity on all related issues if the actual funding agreements were made public.
Both JFAs (HRC’s and Sanders’) are now in the hands of the press. Publish them.
It should be clearly noted that the memo leaked to Seitz-Wald was just that–a memo, not the actual funding agreement. Nor is that memo the document being cited by Brazile. Brazile is citing a signed agreement–through a plain reading of the Politico piece. This memo was unsigned and had no structure for the signatures she mentions. Obtain and release the actual agreements. Failing that, we’ll see a continued trickle of documents and continued muddying of the waters (no doubt the desired result by many ).
Finally, the press hasn’t looked at all (to my knowledge) at the horrible shenanigans of the NY State Democratic Party on Hillary’s behalf during her 2000 NY Senate run. It is claimed that when they were urging Hillary to run in NY (rather than Illinois or Arkansas, among others), they granted her insistence that she run unopposed in the state primary. Hillary hates primary competition and takes steps to eliminate it beforehand. See my twitter stream for comments and links. The biased steps taken by this state party appear as bad or worse than the allegations against DNC-National in 2015, and help establish a pattern regarding both HRC’s behavior and how the Democratic Party actually works.
I’m apparently wrong (again). Today on Stephanopoulis Brazile seems to be saying that it was indeed the Memo that she was referring to, not the JFA. The wording in the Politico piece or my reading of it is incorrect. Don’t think this changes anything about the need to get the actual JFAs to the public.
Good points all – thanks for this comment.
It’ll fall on deaf ears, but “Well done, Glenn!”, regardless.
I’ve no fond feelings for Donna Brazile since the CNN debate question thingy, but if Hillary can pen her What Happened defense, I see no reason that Brazile can’t do likewise. I’m even okay if she wrote it just to settle a few scores. This whole morass simply demonstrates how hollowed out the Democratic Party has become. Their “platform”, their operatives, their preferred candidates, their structure and process, and (my God!) their finances. I had a million reasons not to donate to the DNC before (and, haven’t for years – Thank you, Act Blue!), but who wants to send money into that sink-hole of consultant sinecures? Particularly, failing ones? And, to date, there is precious little evidence they’ve learned a damned thing. I watch folks like Matt Stoller offer cautious optimism on some apparent shifts in the Democratic Party’s “chatter” but with people like Nancy Pelosi and Tom Perez in control, color me SKEPTICAL – just to this side of LOL.
Yes Very well done. Skeptical is an excellent choice for what is going on with the DNC. I don’t always know what is “true” on Twitter anymore but I have developed a sixth sense for ‘Breaking’ and feeding frenzies. I watched this one start to unfold and checked myself at the door.
The DNC and Clintonists talk about the Russian Facebook ads and claim that they had a huge impact in swinging the election towards Donald Trump, but rarely discuss the even bigger impact of propaganda pushed by the mainstream media at
All of these lies propagated by “journalists” do very little in strengthening people’s perceptions of the media.
Indeed.
Good piece Glenn.
The mainstream media really is beyond help.
I’m not sure if it does this sort of thing out of laziness or as a function of trying to compete for ratings among competitors, or purposeful in support of a specific corporate/financial/government agenda.
Guess it doesn’t really matter the end result is the same–a dumbed down, less informed citizenry, which IMHO, makes “democracy” or representative government very difficult if not impossible to maintain.
Unfortunately, I think that has always been the status quo in America–a “free press” is a double edged sword in that whether false or true, whether it publishes blatant partisan propaganda or not, mainstream media (and the people who staff it from decision makers on down to editors and reporters/opinionators) like our politicians seem lack democratic accountability or legitimacy in the eyes of many Americans. Voters have little if any say in the ultimate policies and laws that govern Americans, and that govern our relations with all the other nations and people of the world.
What “free press” is that, that you refer to, I wonder.
The will to believe is a powerful force. Americans just can’t get themselves to realize that most of their “free press” and associated media outlets are mostly lying to them.
Denial – it’s a river.
As it’s always been. Media has been leveraged by its oligarch owners with their fascistic impulses since forever. See Hearst shilling for Hitler, for example, or review archival coverage of any major labor action in the 21st century in which media characterizes major strikes as being covertly manipulated by foreign criminal elements and bolsheviks. Or the the way the press handled ACORN..or Occupy..or BLM, etc., winning public support for oppression by way of extreme, unwarranted police violence in many cases of leftist activism, and in ACORN’s case, an economic assault by Congress. We’ve been gaslighted by the press since the pamphleteer era.
“Denial – it’s a river.”
Does that mean a torrent, or merely a bitstream?
On the ‘altered’ emails.
Hill’s secret server, the one the FBI has never seen, had DKIM enabled. That means that if they were altered/edited this would be detected with absolute and objective certainty,
But no matter. As I often proclaim on Twitter these days, “facts don’t matter, beliefs matter”.
And today, despite being on the greatest fact checking machine history, the people now believe more nonsense than ever.
Moar on DKIM
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/5bhub5/eli5_how_do_we_know_all_these_wiki_leaks_emails/
http://www.dkim.org/
Truth bombs delivered. You’ve been awol for weeks since that piglet thing
I’m still waiting patiently for Rachel Maddow to uncover the identity of the master forger who set that fake news trap for her four months ago. She swore her staff was hot on the trail and told me to stay tuned. Four months on, she hasn’t uttered a peep on the subject, but I trust she’s still on it like a bloodhound.
Keep waiting. Rachel has a new master now
Someone posted a fake image of a teaser showing Maddow holding up papers and saying Brazile is a Russian stooge and that Maddow has her taxes.
It took a minute to figure out it was a joke.
Well, here’s Donna Brazile lining up behind the Clinton-Dem-Establishment machine, circa ten minutes ago…
https://www.axios.com/donna-brazile-i-found-no-evidence-of-election-rigging-2506684849.html?utm_source=sidebar
For Chrissakes. Maybe the RE-election of Donald Trump will be enouhgh for the Democrats to take that look in the mirror. What a mess.
Thank you, Glenn. Everyone from Howard Dean to Chris Hayes has been spreading this bullshit around and it is infuriating and disheartening. And dangerous.
It seems that a lot of journalism consists of people not using primary documents and instead simply summarizing the “facts” from another secondary source.
Once again your lucid analysis brings light where only shadows have dwelt, thanks, Glenn.
The key take-away should be that Clinton signed an agreement and Sanders signed a completely different agreement, giving his campaign much less control over DNC decisions. Evidently, we’re not looking at a level playing field.
GG,
Great debunking as usual. In Ryan Grim’s story here: https://theintercept.com/2017/11/03/dnc-donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-barack-obama/
I’ve posted several Wikileak’s emails surrounding the HFA operatives and local New Jersey democrats requesting titles and delegate status in trade for signing the JFA that gave HRC control of state parties.
Several of those persons also happened to end up as Superdelegates as well. So, even if Sanders won the vote, HRC had her personal hand-picked Superdelegates in place to defeat Sanders.
Sanders never had a real chance and there was never a real choice with HRC messaging coming from state parties in trade for JFA and anointment of HRC Superdelegates.
Fantastic article by Glenn Greenwald, who once again illuminates the core problems in corporate journalism in America. Unfortunately, as I’m confident he knows – in the time it took me to read (and concur) with the obvious truth in his reportage, probably 60-70 new tweets were sent by corrupt, lazy pseudo-journalists, drowning out what needs to be a vital battle for journalistic integrity with their destructive blather and echo chamber.
HOW CAN AUTHENTIC JOURNALISTS FIGHT A TECHNOLOGY ADDICTION THAT THE WHOLE NATION HAS SUCCUMBED TO?
Beat them to the tweet?
These “journalists” should be arrested for intentional assaults on democracy
Yes but first we kill all the lawyers.
Are you threatening Greenwald…..;)
Haha… for about half a second, I didn’t get that.
;)
yea, my sense of humor is a little dry…..which is why i love reading Benito. cheers.
Wow, Putin jails reporters. You can’t preserve democracy by violating it.
Be afraid…be very afraid.
The Feckless Communications Commission hasn’t stopped Fox from spreading its ‘poison’ so perhaps we’d all just better learn to think for ourselves.
fox,nbc,cnn,abc,cbs,wapo,nyt,and every one is zionist controlled.They should all be out of business.
Keep up the amazing work of electrical engineer! During these last dark years, few agencies have educated and illuminated the public more than your work. Thank you.