UPDATE: Flournoy has responded to the Defense One article by denying parts of it and acknowledging other parts.
Michele Flournoy, the former Defense Department official whom Defense One calls “the woman expected to run the Pentagon under Hillary Clinton,” this week advocated for “sending more American troops into combat against ISIS and the Assad regime than the Obama administration has been willing to commit.” In an interview with that outlet, Flournoy “said she would direct U.S. troops to push President Bashar al-Assad’s forces out of southern Syria and would send more American boots to fight the Islamic State in the region.” She had previously “condemned the Obama administration’s ISIS policy as ineffectual,” denouncing it as “under-resourced.”
This week, Flournoy specifically advocated what she called “limited military coercion” to oust Assad. In August 2014, Obama announced what he called “limited airstrikes in Iraq” — and they’re still continuing almost two years later. Also note the clinical euphemism Flournoy created — “military coercion” — for creating a “no-bomb zone” that would entail “a declaratory policy backed up by the threat of force. ‘If you bomb the folks we support, we will retaliate using standoff means to destroy [Russian] proxy forces, or, in this case, Syrian assets,’” she said. Despite D.C. conventional wisdom that Obama is guilty of “inaction” in Syria, he has sent substantial aid, weapons, and training to Syrian rebels while repeatedly bombing ISIS targets in Syria.
Even U.S. military officials have said that these sorts of no-fly or no-bomb guarantees Flournoy is promising — which Hillary Clinton herself has previously advocated — would risk a military confrontation with Russia. Obama’s defense secretary, Ash Carter, told a Senate hearing last December that the policy Clinton advocates “would require ‘substantial’ ground forces and would put the U.S. military at risk of a direct confrontation with the Syrian regime and Russian forces.” Nonetheless, the Pentagon official highly likely to be Clinton’s defense secretary is clearly signaling their intention to proceed with escalated military action. The carnage in Syria is horrifying, but no rational person should think that U.S. military action will be designed to “help Syrians.”
It’s long been beyond doubt that Clinton intends to embark upon a far more militaristic path than even Obama forged — which is saying a lot given that the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner has bombed seven predominantly Muslim countries in seven years. Repeatedly, Clinton has implicitly criticized Obama for excessive hostility toward Israel, and she has vowed more uncritical support for Israel and to move closer to Netanyahu. Just yesterday, Clinton surrogates battled Sanders’s appointees in the Democratic Platform Committee meeting over Israel and Palestine, with Clinton’s supporters taking an even more hard-line position than many right-wing Israeli politicians. Clinton was the leading voice that successfully convinced a reluctant Obama to involve the U.S. in the disastrous intervention in Libya.
Her past criticisms of Obama’s foreign policy were based overwhelmingly in her complaints that he did not use enough military force, including in Syria. As the New York Times put it in 2014: “That Mrs. Clinton is more hawkish than Mr. Obama is no surprise to anyone who watched a Democratic primary debate in 2008. … She favored supplying arms to moderate Syrian rebels, leaving behind a somewhat larger residual military force in Iraq and waiting longer before withdrawing American support for President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt during the historic protests in Cairo.”
But the fact that Hillary Clinton has a history of advocating more war and killing and support for heinous regimes and occupations is the one thing Democratic pundits have, with remarkable message discipline, completely ignored. From Bernie Bros to Sanders’ Secret Service costs to Hillary’s kick-ass, mic-dropping, slay-queen tweets, they’ve invented the most embarrassingly childish and trivial distractions to ensure they don’t have to talk about it. But now Clinton’s almost-certain defense secretary is already — months before she’s in power — expressly advocating more war and bombing and dangerous interventions. That makes the costs of a Clinton foreign policy — at least for those who assign any value to lives outside of American soil — much harder, and more shameful, to ignore.
So now as I understand, This choice of the lesser of two evils, The one with Her Umbilical Chord ties to the Non-Semite War Criminal Euro-zionist Cult is the only choice I have to Vote for, I think I’ll just sit this one out!!!
A protest vote may be better (for example: one of the third party candidates). At least this will send a message that you are active in politics, yet neither major party represents the issues you find important.
No need to sit this one out. Bernie is still very much in this race. Go to Philly and voice your support. Your involvement is more crucial than ever. Please use your rights and make a difference in our future.
Hillary Clinton’s hawkish neoliberal foreign policy is one of the largest detracting factors that should keep liberals and progressives away from her come election day ~ under a Clinton administration, a ground war in Syria is all but assured …
yet not a single viable alternative, just more right wing type negativity. bernie’s done. it’s slowly inking in to his self-righteous head. bernie supporters, more terrorist attacks, and economic calamity could still allow donald to become president. maybe chaos is the point at this site.
at the same time i appreciate good investigative reporting but it doesn’t interest me at all when there are far more worse enemies of the state out there. i won’t read the article.
UPDATE: Flournoy denys parts of it. But “Strike weapons at standoff distance is troops,” said Tucker. “Those are military personnel. ”
Obama has a few boots on the ground – What do Clinton’s neocons want?
See Hillary’s New American Century, Michele Flournoy:
“eliminating artificial manpower limitations” on military missions in the country.
Does war with Syria mean war with Russia? Maybe, maybe not. But Clinton means war – question is who,where, when.
Ok now, all you moms out there who are voting for Clinton because she is a woman. As a Vietnam War and Cold War veteran, I have a message for you: You have been informed. If you elect this woman as president of your country, your children and grandchildren, nieces and nephews, neighbors and friends, are going to be killed in a stupid conflict that was none of our business from the start. Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden? At first yes. A full out war in Iraq, Syria, Israel, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, etc,? NO! History will judge you harshly on this decision. Your surviving family, if your line is fortunate enough to continue, will judge you. Your broken heart will tell you. Chelsea will not go to war.
Dear Mr. Mannon,
I appreciate your attempt at unbiased journalism and your willingness to publish Mr. Flournoy’s response.
I do however wish for you to consider one of the main attractions of journalism, as practiced by The Intercept, to people like myself. And, that is, The Intercept’s willingness to dissect the language of people like Ms. Flournoy and challenge their attempt to hide behind certain rhetorical devices.
Mr. Flournoy’s response is not a denial of content – it is a denial of form! She does not deny the essence of her view, she is simply saying that she would rather use a “softer” language to talk about the overthrow of Assad and the use of US military personnel.
You should call this out! For example, “this is Ms. Flournoy’s response”, with the added commentary that says: “Ms. Flournoy does not appear to be denying that she would like Assad removed from power, and she does not appear to be denying that she advocates the use of US military power to achieve this”.
Thanks
DocHollywood
“……..– CraigSummers’s characterization of Former Finnish President and Nobel laureate, Martti Ahtisaari – and “anyone” for that matter – who sought a negotiated political settlement in 2012……..”
You fundamentally and purposely lied about my position on this issue. I said:
“……Anyone that believes anything that Vladimir Putin says is a complete idiot – including Nobel laureate, Martti Ahtisaari……”
This is about as far from what you wrote as is possible – and clearly was designed to misrepresent what I actually said. Of course, lying is part and parcel to the strategy of the radical left. The US position was that there could not be a negotiated solution which allowed Assad to remain in power – and Russian offers to replace Assad at the time could not be believed i.e., Putin is a fucking liar – plain and simple.
You wrote:
“……..– CraigSummers getting it backwards
Putin’s deployment of the Russian air force in Syria has forced the US to consider a negotiated political settlement. It is the Russians who have given the US incentive to negotiate a settlement……..”
Actually, this is much closer to reality, or actually a rare, reasonable statement by you. First of all, it is an admission that military power is sometimes a necessity before a diplomatic solution is possible. Thus, in light of that admission by you, Michele Flournoy’s (and the 51 diplomat’s) suggestion that more military force is necessary to bring Assad back to the table is, in fact, sensible. However, while Russia certainly might have helped sober the US to reality in Syria, it was actually Hezbollah and Iran which probably saved the Assad (the murderer’s) regime. Joshua Landis writes:
“…….The U.S. wanted Iran at the table. Everybody knows that Iran is important. It has thousands of troops in Syria and funds Syria to the tune of billions of dollars. Hezbollah is also in Syria at Iran’s urging, to a certain degree…..”
Thanks Doc.
The post lightly edited for accuracy:
” ‘……..– CraigSummers’s characterization of Former Finnish President and Nobel laureate, Martti Ahtisaari – and “anyone” for that matter – who sought a negotiated political settlement in 2012……..’
[I] fundamentally and purposely lied about [Martti Ahtisaari’s] position on this issue [when] I [conflated his statement that the West ignored Russia’s offer for settlement with “trusting Putin” by writing]:
“……Anyone that believes anything that Vladimir Putin says is a complete idiot – including Nobel laureate, Martti Ahtisaari……”
This is [exactly what I wrote] – and clearly was designed to misrepresent what [he] actually said. Of course, lying is part and parcel to [what I do]
. . .Russian offers to replace Assad at the time could not be believed i.e., Putin is a fucking liar – [it’s] plain and simple[: I am still conflating Ahtisarri’s statements with “trusting Putin”]
You wrote:
‘CraigSummers getting it backwards. . .’
Actually, [I usually do].”
It’s a matter of time before the Neo-Cons at The Weekly Standard endorse Hillary for president.
Let’s stop playing games. Let’s stop pretending we’re justified. Let’s stop giving the world false hope that we’re not complete imperial lunatics. Let’s just launch against Russia and kick off the big reboot on species dominance.
Hank Paulson endorsing and voting for Hillary Clinton in part because Trump vowed to not touch Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should give every voter pause. Thanks for the tweeting his eye-opening endorsement, Glenn, I’m shopping for an apocalypse bunker.
This is surprisingly poor quality journalism coming from Glenn Greenwald — Flournoy responded to the Defense One article cited here in a letter to the editor, saying that the piece “[f]undamentally mischaracterized my views on the role U.S. forces should play in Syria” and that she does (emphasis in original) ” NOT advocate putting U.S. combat troops on the ground to take territory from Assad’s forces or remove Assad from power.” While much of the premise of this Intercept piece may be accurate, it is should be amended to reflect Flournoy’s actual comments.
http://www.defenseone.com/politics/2016/06/hillary-clintons-likely-defense-secretary-wants-more-us-troops-fighting-isis-and-assad/129248/
Hi Anne, we actually just published a followup to this article. You can find it here: https://theintercept.com/2016/06/24/hillary-clintons-likely-defense-chief-says-she-did-not-advocate-for-u-s-ground-troops-in-syria/
This is very much on the mark journalism.
Flournoy’s answer is the type of content-free response that is generated by a public relations consulting firm.
What she said was that instead of calling it “remove Assad from power”, she would rather refer to it as “set more favorable conditions on the ground for a negotiated political settlement”. She wants us to forget that the settlement she is talking about is the removal of Assad!
She is using a propagandist’s language!
Ms. Flournoy intent to push for deployment of US ‘ground troops’ in Syria is a small part of Greenwald’s article above. Mannon indicated in his follow up that Defense One actually stands by its interpretation of her position – they concluded that troops would need to be deployed in the region in order to effect the changes she advocates. Your characterization of Greenwald’s piece as “poor quality journalism” is inaccurate (to put it politely). A less polite, but more to the point description would be that it is histrionic spin, designed to promote a false narrative. Given the importance of the office Flournoy is seeking (please don’t pretend she is not actively pursuing this job) and the potential dangers of her approach, Greenwald’s critique is reasonable, and appears to be essentially……. an excellent piece of journalism.
– CraigSummers’s characterization of Former Finnish President and Nobel laureate, Martti Ahtisaari – and “anyone” for that matter – who sought a negotiated political settlement in 2012. The negotiations were blocked by the US.
– CraigSummers’s characterization of Michele Flournoy’s proposal to seek “a negotiated political settlement” in 2016.
– CraigSummers getting it backwards.
Putin’s deployment of the Russian air force in Syria has forced the US to consider a negotiated political settlement. It is the Russians who have given the US incentive to negotiate a settlement.
I meant to say this last article. Thank you for the screenshots!!!
This is scary as shit.
HIllary and Schumer are pushing for more police militarization.
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/how-hillary-clinton-and-chuck-schumer-are-teaming-nypd-push-police-militarization
One of the few markets left not completely saturated by the arms dealers.
Hillary Clinton is a war monger and will have us in WW3 in her first 100 days. I think all of these foreign contributions were payments so she would not bomb there country.
It does make sense that HRC would have a protection racket/extortion racket going with other countries. Fits her MO.
I think I told you, I’ve sort of given up on opinions since I found religion and decided I’m in samsara and should enlighten myself the hell out of it. As long as game theory exists, so will the need for power plays. If it wasn’t Hillary it would be someone worse. I don’t say that lightheartedly, as I also believe I’ll be reincarnating to the losing side of this dynamic in infinite other lives, so it just sucks all around, but it is what it is. You can criticize her or the worse person that would fill the power gap in her absence – such is the unsatisfactory nature of life.
However, I do still feel the impulse to tell you how cute you are sometimes Glenn. I appreciate the fact that you care about things. No matter the outcome, that’s still a beautiful quality.
Glenn,
Without a doubt a Clinton foreign policy would return our defense strategy in the world back to a proxy war making machine for Israel around the entire Middle East. Settlement creation in the West Bank would once again have the full support of our government and lip service to the two state solution the norm. No doubt the chance of a third world war trigger in both the Middle Wast and Asia would rise substantially with chaos the norm perhaps more so than even the “Donald” is sure to create if by some magical result he wins the Presidential race. Either way there is plenty to be concerned about once January 20, 2017 arrives. Our only slim hope is the email fiasco stops the Clinton nomination in the next two months and Sanders takes over to become our 45th President.
Glenn,
Michele Flournoy responded to the DefenseOne article saying that the article mis-characterized her views:
Interesting response from Flournoy. So basically from one angle she proposes that the United States act as a proxy airforce for the mythical moderate head choppers and of course ISIS/Nusrat Front. Same story: regime change.
“Same story: regime change.” Have we learned nothing from our perpetual wars in the Middle East? Regime change has been one disaster after another.
Ron Paul to warmongers: Leave Syria Alone!
https://youtu.be/E1soDiUMeFY
Tulsi Gabbard: CIA must stop illegal, counterproductive war to overthrow Assad
https://youtu.be/u7Q8X60KQ9Q
If these links don’t work, copy and paste the URLs in your browser or the titles of the YouTube videos in the search tab of YouTube.
The problem is that the ‘moderate Syrian forces’ are not moderate at all, but are rather allied with the Al-Nusra Front and ISIS. The only forces actively opposing ISIS are Kurds, the Syrian government, and the Iraq military.
And she’s calling for military strikes on the Syrian government – a reckless and idiotic proposal that could easily lead to Russian retaliation and a U.S. – Russian air war over Syria, as happened in Vietnam.
Seriously, Hillary and her reckless advisors cannot be allowed to carry out this idiotically dangerous plan.
“……..And she’s calling for military strikes on the Syrian government – a reckless and idiotic proposal that could easily lead to Russian retaliation and a U.S. – Russian air war over Syria, as happened in Vietnam……”
Assad said on June 7th that he plans to take back every inch of Syria. Her proposal is simply meant to give Assad and his backers in Russia incentive to resume negotiations. It is actually sensible, and exactly what the 51 diplomats are lobbying Obama to change.
There you have it folks.
Supporters of illegal wars and torture think it’s “sensible”.
Context matters.
The “I can kill more foreigners using only foreigners” game is the military equivalent to making Mexico build a wall.
Bluster + laziness + war can only lead to good things.
I love how we have a capital “NOT” in the last sentence of Michele Flournoy’s response followed by a list of qualifiers–just like an ad for the latest pharmaceutical.
Stop taking Empira immediately if you experience lack of empathy, hatred of the other, violence, thoughts of violence, or shortness of breath as these may be signs of a rare but fatal condition known as Manifest Destiny or “MD”. Never stop taking Empira. This can lead to charges of treason or terrorism, spying and even death.
If you can’t afford your medication then Astra Zenica can help (Not really, but you should have seen your face in that transition from hope to despair. Good stuff.)
We have absolutely no right to be in Syria and forcing regime change.It is not Americas right or business to do so.So This clown woman(nice hair!)from the get go is in the wrong.
The poison ivy league creates a bunch of lickspittle American traitors to work for them,instead of US.Close it down,education for the highest bidder does not produce intelligence.
And antitrust the MSM out of business.
This is the type of content-free response that is generated by a public relations consulting company. First is asserts that she does not want to something, then it follows by saying she wants to do it but does not want to call it what Glenn has called it. Instead of calling it “remove Assad from power”, she likes to say that it is to “set more favorable conditions on the ground for a negotiated political settlement”. Never mind that the settlement she is talking about is the removal of Assad!
All these propagandists and obfuscators seem to be well versed in Goebbles’ writings!
American will NEVER win the war of Terror because the USE OF FORCE is not how to find peace, and win. This is a battle among Islam and it’s people. The Sunni’s vs the Shiites.
How to win:
1. Leave the Middle East and shut up about knowing what is best for the Middle East. They do not care about your America democracy, not your way of life, none of it. Yet you aspire to FORCE it on these people. You are an idiot.
If America did not learn from the Russians and the Mujaheddin experience they lived through, and trust more of the CIA’s lies… you will NEVER, EVER, EVER WIN.
I guaranteed it. So give up now, and learn to focus on YOUR OWN SEVERE PROBLEMS.
Wise counsel!
There was absolutely no appreciable Shia Sunni violence prior to 1948 and the creation of Zion.(in the 20th century at least).
Divide and conquer,the Mossad mantra.
Shillary Killary’s crock
She should be in the dock
She “gets things done”
With bombs and guns
Shillary Killary’s crock
Don and Hill
Went up the hill
To stupefy the masses
Playing a game
Of ‘not the same’
And laughing off their asses
Nicely done!
The more grand-babies she acquires, the more murderous Grandma Killary becomes. Just say no, Chelsea!
And of course the Democratic party establishment and Hillary supporters will herald the nomination of Flournoy as a historic bold move to appoint the first woman to head the Pentagon. In a great leap forward to empowering women, now women will be in the inner circles deciding who to bomb and invade.
[“In a great leap forward to empowering women, now women will be in the inner circles deciding who to bomb and invade.”]
In my intimate observations for many years…
Not without a big cat fight.
Not to mention being on the front lines because of the mandatory selective service reporting women will have to do upon their 18th birthday. Now not even our daughters are safe from a draft.
From nurturers to nukers,you’ve come a long way baby!
sheesh.
To many in the rest of this universe, the debate about Trump vs Clinton is like that old Miller commercial, except, to them, one is more filling and the other one tastes awful.
My sympathies to one of your best…it’s against the law to be peaceful, neighborly, and kind…
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36603847
Amjad Sabri: Pakistanis mourn singer killed by Taliban
This is tragic! A lot more than I’m able to express it. That region has produced great Sufi teachers with fairly large followings.
And now!
…
Which one is more filling? They both taste terrible to me. One of them in fact has the potential to taste far worse than the other.
On the issue of “no fly no buy” …I’ve been reading about the various watch lists, depending on the ones they are talking about, the names on the lists are either overwhelmingly not Americans, or the lists are on the order of tens of thousands of names. A tiny fraction of Americans.
In other words, if this measure is implemented, the next American who goes postal, shoots up their workplace, school, government office, or murders their spouse or commits suicide, ….the odds of them being on those lists is very small.
It might be smarter to look at the statistics, see that vastly more people are killed by their own family’s guns, or by guns stolen from “law abiding gun owners” than by terrorists on secret watch lists.
Right. A tiny fraction of Americans who speak out, are competent enough to derail some of the corruption, or happen to have pissed of some person of power.
But, as you remind us, the Wall St Journal says the list is small …
I say “let’s save some lives” …
I currently have no reply function, so:
@PEDINSKA
You’re really quite good at this commenting stuff.
It would have been helpful if (as noted by Maisie below) Sanders had articulated a clear, well thought out foreign policy vision that presented a sharp contrast to the Obama/Clinton status quo. Instead, when foreign policy was under discussion, his ignorance, boredom and desire to change the subject were palpable.
When sanders spoke in a debate about his respect and compassion for Palestinians, I wanted to vote for him right then. But alas that was after the FL primary.
@JLOCKE
Thanks. I’m not ashamed. But I am engaging in some self-examination based in part on things I’ve read here. I’ve learned quite a bit that way over the years.
This is not fair to Bernie. This was the media narrative at the time, but watching his debates, listening to his speeches, or his answers to questions, this is hardly what I personally felt, despite what the MSM “reported.”
Did I agree with Bernie’s historical position on the ME, no, given his voting record, but in general, do I think he wants to make friends with other nations, as opposed to war? Yeah. This guy, as Mayor, made a sister city or whatever that term is, between Burlington VT and St. Petersburg, Russia (I think that’s the city, don’t want to look it up right now). Cause he wanted to say “hey, let’s be friends.” He went to South America to view for himself, the outcome of US actions. This guy wants to make friends, not war. What better foreign policy position do you want him to have? Clinton’s foreign policy is “overcompensation” as Susan Sarandon put it. She wants to prove to everybody that she’s not a woman, that she has the biggest d*ck in the room. So she’ll drop a few (or a lot of) bombs to prove her point. And people will die.
Clinton’s foreign policy position is a joke. In fact all her policy positions are such jokes, she hasn’t had the courage to have a press conference in over 200 days. So to be fair to Bernie, you have no earthly idea what the details of Clinton’s position is on any policy. Berni has a press conference every week. And what does the brave media ask him “When are you going to drop out?”
The media narrative, the games the media play, in the US, is going to destroy the US. The media in the US, with a few exceptions is a plague. It’s the devil’s curse, in a shiny suit. Don’t believe a word.
You may be right, AiC. I will say only that my subjective impression of Sanders’ presentation and demeanor during foreign policy discussions was based on my own observations in real time, watching televised debates and interviews.
Like another’s suggestion here regarding listening to Glenn Greenwald speak on civil liberties via Youtube (I’ll not post two links as they may never show up) you may, if you haven’t already, find better representations hearing a compilation video of Bernie speaking for himself over the years.
There are many more compilations of his speeches on Youtube (especially pre-presidential bid) that show his positions more clearly than the main stream media ever has.
Bernie Sanders does have some real negatives on his foreign policy statements.
a) He said he would use drone strikes in certain situations. This is bad policy and what he should have said is that both drone strikes and military tribunals and black site/torture renditions are un-American; what we should do with terrorists is go back to the pre-9/11 policy of capture and trial in open court in the United States.
b) Without major cuts in the U.S. foreign military budget, he can forget about expanding public education or pursuing New Deal jobs and infrastructure programs. Avoiding the issue makes no sense, as his programs would suffer the same fate as Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” program did – sacrificed on the altar of Vietnam.
Yes, Bernie Sanders is far preferable to Hillary Clinton as the Democratic candidate, but loyally agreeing with him even when he is wrong does no good to anyone. If he’d taken a bolder stance on these foreign policy issues (including calling out Hillary Clinton on her reckless Reagan-like Honduras coup policy), he’d have won more popular support.
I’m not saying I agree with Bernie’s foreign policy positions. I disagree with his statement on drones. But I doubt that once he actually was presented with authorizing a strike he would be more deliberate than Obama apparently has been.
I very much doubt this assertion. Anybody who cares about Hillary’s Honduras policy already voted for Bernie. Apart from a few, hardly anybody who voted for Hillary, gives a crap about Honduras. If they did, they’d sit out the vote, or vote for Bernie. Bernie’s outlook towards Latin America is lightyears away from Hillary’s positions.
I meant the opposite, ie. I doubt he’d be less deliberate. I think he’d be much less cavalier than Obama, who’s also “overcompensating,” because Republicans think he’s a Muslim.
The bottom line is that drone strikes are acts of war and should never be allowed without prior authorization by Congress; their use as an extrajudicial assassination policy is merely Obama’s alternative to the equally illegal black-site rendition-and-torture program ran by the Bush team.
The drone strikes always have ‘collateral damage’ associateed with them, and they just lead to the recruitment of more terrorists and more hatred of the United States.
If there is a specific terrorist with a record of criminal activity, then the only acceptable approach is operations aimed at capture and trial in open court. That’s how such cases were dealt with prior to 9/11, and that’s what we should go back to.
When sanders spoke in a debate about his respect and compassion for Palestinians, I wanted to vote for him right then. But alas that was after the FL primary.
Foreign policy was his weakest, most disappointing area for me as well. But his long history of respect and compassion for all downtrodden people, going back to his actions as a young man in the civil rights era, gave me evidence that he would apply the same rigor to decisions involving such people worldwide. His response in that debate nearly brought me to tears. It was, to my knowledge, the first unqualified acknowledgment of the suffering and a necessary first step indicating that he might actually seek a real solution to the impasse that has cost so much in the ME.
I’m not ashamed. But I am engaging in some self-examination based in part on things I’ve read here. I’ve learned quite a bit that way over the years.
Me too. When we stop caring about learning we stop evolving as human beings. And, like many other things, knowledge is a spectrum. I hope we all can keep coming here, learning from each other, for many years to come.
Bernie Sanders is focused more on domestic matters, just as you said. You know what? That is what we need now. We don’t need more slick foreign policy wonks and ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton bumbling around, offending foreign leaders. I don’t care if Bernie seems bored and disinterested about foreign policy. Bernie is more of a patriot, because he doesn’t want to get bogged down in foreign entanglements and get more American soldiers hurt or killed.
Bernie was, no, he still is, the obvious Democrat Party candidate who can Make America Great Again.
I have scrolled through much of this ‘thinking republican’ white man’s rag and now understand why readership is so low. This is not investigative Journalism.. It’s rehashed right wing talking points. peppered with a dash of faux pro Snowden outrage… how dare they’.. middle tier hack BS!.. btw.. just clicked on this story for no particular reason other than to voice an opinion about this gawd awful site.. don’t censor this
I bet you were the Tony who protested Guinea Woods Rd.on LI was anti Italian.
DocHollywood
Anyone that believes anything that Vladimir Putin says is a complete idiot – including Nobel laureate, Martti Ahtisaari:
“…………“Former Finnish president and Nobel peace prize laureate Martti Ahtisaari said western powers failed to seize on the proposal [for the U.S. and Russia to negotiate a replacement for Assad that would be acceptable to both the U.S. and Russia]. . .He said that the US, Britain and France were so convinced that the Syrian dictator was about to fall, they ignored the [Russian] proposal. ‘It was an opportunity lost in 2012?”…….”-September 15 2015, The Guardian
According to the Telegraph, 6-23-2016:
“……..Vladimir Putin admitted to deploying Russian military specialists to eastern Ukraine on Thursday, dropping nearly two years of denials that Russian servicemen were involved in the conflict there, writes Roland Oliphant in Moscow.………Mr. Putin has previously denied any military role in Ukraine whatsoever. In televised remarks in April, he said: “I will say this clearly. There are no Russian troops in Ukraine.” At a press conference last year he insisted that any Russians involved in the war there were simply “volunteers”…….Mr Putin’s comments echoed his admission earlier this year that Russian forces had served in the annexation of Crimea. Initially Mr. Putin and his top officials insisted that the uniformed men who seized control of Crimea in March 2014 were “local self defence forces.”……”
Putin was forced to admit he was lying because of captured Soviet…..er Russian military personnel by Ukraine. To even suggest that Putin would be believable under any circumstance let alone in a country where he was not in control like Syria is plain stupidity. He certainly more agreeable to negotiations on the surface, but he was more likely stalling for time because the Assad regime was losing (at the time). Putin lies just like any leader – but far left wing whack-jobs like you Doc accept his word unquestioningly simply because of your obvious anti-Americanism.
“…….“The point here is not that one side was slightly more or slightly less intransigent, but that by making the future of Assad the central question, and insisting on his departure, the Western powers, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan – not one of which is a democracy – as well as Turkey, which under Erdo?an has slid a long way towards authoritarian rule, made it impossible for a political solution to be found that would at least end the violence. It is in ways like this that the Arab uprisings were really hijacked.”…….” – July 16, 2015 London Review of Books
Obviously, whoever wrote the above statement was clueless about the crimes committed by Assad to quell the peaceful rebellion. The Arab Spring was hijacked by Assad the murderer. Plain and simple (Amnesty International report, 2012; summary statement):
“………Government forces used lethal and other excessive force against peaceful protesters who took to the streets in unprecedented numbers to demand political reform and the fall of the regime. The pattern and scale of state abuses may have constituted crimes against humanity. More than 4,300 people reportedly died during or in connection with the protests and during funerals of demonstrators, most apparently shot by members of the security forces, including snipers. Tanks were used in military operations in civilian residential areas. Some members of the security forces were also killed, some allegedly for refusing to fire on protesters and others in attacks by defecting soldiers and other individuals who joined in opposition to the government. Some prisoners were released in amnesties but thousands of people were detained in connection with the protests, with many held incommunicado and tortured. At least 200 detainees reportedly died in custody in suspicious circumstances; many appeared to have been tortured. The authorities failed to conduct independent investigations into alleged unlawful killings, torture and other serious human rights violations, which the security forces committed with impunity. Thousands of Syrians were forcibly displaced by the repression; many fled to neighbouring countries. Death sentences continued to be imposed and executions reportedly carried out……”
This was the way the Arab Spring was really hijacked – by Assad the terrorist. He was even killing his own security forces! There was no peaceful or diplomatic solution in Syria – only a military response to the brutal crackdown by Assad on a peaceful revolution. There is no peaceful solution which allows Assad to remain in power.
The International community got a taste of the abuses committed by the Assad regime when the pictures of government detainees were smuggled out of the country. According the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights:
“………More than 60,000 people have been killed through torture or died in dire humanitarian conditions inside Syrian government prisons throughout the country’s five-year uprising, according to a monitor.…….. In a report published in December, HRW concluded that the Caesar photographs – a photo cache documenting the deaths of more than 28,000 deaths in government custody which was smuggled out of the country – suggested that the government had carried out crimes against humanity…….”
The Assad regime has made ISIS look like boy scouts in the field of terror. This is a Russian, Iranian and Lebanese-supported brutal regime. It is amazing how the radical left continues to blame the US when the ultimate crimes were committed by the Assad regime.
propagandist and liar, please ignore; too many outright lies to even respond. Ill just say there are 5 million wahabis, 28 million sunnis and 89 million chias in the persian gulf: guess who are the plane crashing ones. There are only 5 million inhabitants in tel aviv: if you count dancing child burners as human
Not much refuting there my friend. Care to try again?
CS is a one trick pony,Zion is its name.Another serial liar who should not be engaged as its a fruitless endeavor to reason with him.
Blah, blah, blah – boilerplate U.S. State Department propaganda is all you’ll ever get from craigsummers.
First, Assad is no more brutal a dictator than the House of Saud or the Qatari And Bahraini Royals are, but craigsummers says “just give it time” – no sanctions for Saudis, but military intervention in Syria? Logical BS. Clearly, the brutality of the dictatorship makes no difference to Bush-Obama-Clinton foreign policy.
So what is the issue, then? The same one that it always is in the Middle East – oil, weapons and money. Syrian in 2010 signed a deal with Iran and Russia’s Gazprom to run a pipeline to the Mediterranean, which would supply gas and oil to European markets.
So in 2011, as the Arab Spring broke out, it was quickly hijacked by Saudi/Qatari financed Sunni Wahhabi terrorist groups whose first targets were the secular pro-democracy protesters; after driving them out, they launched attacks on the Syrian regime, sparking off the civil war that has killed a quarter million people and turned another million into refugees.
This was all done with the covert support of the US, Turkish, Israel, Saudi and Qatari govermments – CIA training camps in Turkey, Saudi weapons like the TOW-II antitank missile diverted to ISIS forces (later captured from ISIS by the Iraq military) – and craigsummers knows this; he just is a PR monkey trying to obfuscate the issue.
What is the real agenda? To take over southern Syria so a pipeline can be run from Qatar/Saudi Arabia through to Israel, which the US prefers to an Iranian pipeline. Sure, some will call this a ‘conspiracy pipeline theory’ – but these are the same types who claim that “invading Iraq had nothing to do with oil”, i.e. the Donald Rumsfeld line. Who craigsummers claims “is not an idiot.”
The real reason for the rise of ISIS is this covert regime change / Syria partitioning game run by team Obama, just as disastrous as Bush’s Iraq invasion but more neoliberal in flavor than neoconservative. Of course, he wanted to get authorization from Congress in 2013 to launch military strikes, but after the British parliament shut that down, he had to back off.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-partitioning-of-syria-and-the-great-game-of-empire/
Just more imperial war piggery, that’s all Syria was ever about – an even bigger debacle than Libya, which Obama claims was “his biggest mistake” – but history will point to his idiot game in Syria as the real winner there.
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“……..First, Assad is no more brutal a dictator than the House of Saud or the Qatari And Bahraini Royals are, but craigsummers says “just give it time” – no sanctions for Saudis, but military intervention in Syria? Logical BS. Clearly, the brutality of the dictatorship makes no difference to Bush-Obama-Clinton foreign policy……”
Actually the Assad regime probably is a much more brutal dictatorship simply because he is part of the minority Shia community (Alawite) ruling over a majority Sunni population – just the opposite of Saddam Hussein. Just like in Bahrain where the minority Sunnis rule over the majority Shia population, Assad could never risk truly fair elections in his police state – thus his predictable response to the peaceful protests. We also should qualify your quoted statement. The brutality of the dictatorship makes no difference to Russia-Iran-Syria-Saudi Arabia-Qatar either. I mentioned in my initial post that geopolitics was driving the conflict. Fair enough?
“…….So in 2011, as the Arab Spring broke out, it was quickly hijacked by Saudi/Qatari financed Sunni Wahhabi terrorist groups whose first targets were the secular pro-democracy protesters; after driving them out, they launched attacks on the Syrian regime, sparking off the civil war that has killed a quarter million people and turned another million into refugees……”
You still have not got that right. The civil war was sparked by the Russian-Lebanese-Iran-supported Assad regime which brutally quelled a democracy movement. How many times do you want me to post the Amnesty report?
“……..What is the real agenda? To take over southern Syria so a pipeline can be run from Qatar/Saudi Arabia through to Israel, which the US prefers to an Iranian pipeline. Sure, some will call this a ‘conspiracy pipeline theory’….”
Evidence for this theory, photo? The real reason as stated numerous times in your own link (Levant) was to weaken the Iranian-Russian-Hezbollah (Lebanese) axis which it clearly has done.
“……..The real reason for the rise of ISIS is this covert regime change / Syria partitioning game run by team Obama…..”
Regime change is the best outcome for the US geopolitically. The US armed the opposition for that reason. Partitioning of Syria certainly is one possible outcome (despite Assad saying he will retake every square inch of Syria back).
“………As Robert F. Kennedy Jr., attorney and nephew of US President John Fitzgerald Kennedy explains, the major reason for the west’s attempt to overthrow the Assad government was to build a natural gas pipeline from Qatar that traversed Syria, capturing its newly discovered offshore reserves, and continued on through Turkey to the EU, as a major competitor to Russia’s Gazprom……”
Who cares what Robert Kennedy Jr. says? Find a decent source besides an opinion by Robert Kennedy. Of course, if he is right, it certainly explains why Putin is losing military personnel in Syria to ensure that Assad survives.
Thanks.
Wow….I would have thought that the humanitarian crisis and death-count would make it rather obvious that Assad is MUCH worse.
But let’s do some comparison to assess your claim and see if it is as absurd as it sounds. Using HRW World Report 2015 as my source:
SYRIA: “Government forces continued to arbitrarily arrest, disappear and torture detainees, many of whom died in detention.”; “As of August 2014, the death toll in the conflict reached more than 191,000 people”; “after the August 2013 chemical attack on Ghouta…Syria [agreed to] eliminate its declared chemical weapons”; “evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government helicopters dropped barrel bombs embedded with cylinders of chlorine gas on three towns in Northern Syria in mid-April”; “Human Rights Watch has identified at least 249 attacks in 10 of Syria’s 14 governates where cluster munitions were used between July 2012 and July 2014.”; “The government also persisted in dropping large numbers of high explosive barrel bombs on civilians in defiance of UN Security Council resolution 2139 passed on February 22.”; “The Syrian government also continues to impose sieges, which are estimated to affect over 200,000 civilians.”; “On August 30, the Syrian Network for Human Rights, a local monitoring group, estimated that 85,000 people were currently being held by the government in conditions that amount to enforced disappearance.”; “The UN estimates that 7.6 million Syrians are internally displaced and that 12.2 million need humanitarian assistance.”;
BAHRAIN: “Security forces fatally shot at least three people in circumstances indicating that they used excessive force.”; “The BICI also found that Bahrain’s security forces had killed at least 18 demonstrators and detainees without justification and recommended that the authorities investigate the deaths…”; “In April, King Hamad ratified Law 1/2014, which amends article 214 of the penal code to provide for a maximum jail term of seven years and a fine of up to 10,000 Bahraini dinars (US$26,500) for offending the king, Bahrain’s flag, or the national emblem.”; “The year 2014 saw four award-winning Bahraini photographers either in jail or facing criminal charges, some or all of whom were apparently targeted by the authorities on account of their peaceful exercise of their profession.”; “Domestic violence is not specifically addressed in the penal code and marital rape is not considered a crime.”; “Forty-seven states, including the US and the United Kingdom, signed a joint statement criticizing Bahrain and calling for the release of political prisoners at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva in June.”
QATAR: “Qatar has experienced a low level of domestic dissent compared to its neighbors, but since its successful bid to host the 2022 FIFA World Cup, it has become a focus of international criticism of the mistreatment of low-paid migrant workers.”; “Qatar’s Law 14 of 2004, regulating labor in the private sector, limits workers’ hours, requires that foreign workers receive paid annual leave, sets requirements on health and safety, and requires on-time payment of wages each month.”; “In September, Qatar issued a law “on the suppression of electronic crimes,” which poses a clear threat to freedom of expression. Vaguely worded provisions provide for the prosecution of individuals who publish “false news with the intent of endangering the public order” and information that “infringes social principles or values.”; “Qatar’s penal code contains provisions that are inconsistent with free speech standards under international law. Article 134, for example, prescribes a penalty of up to five years’ imprisonment for anyone who is convicted of criticizing the emir or vice-emir.”; “Marital rape is not a crime.”
SAUDI ARABIA: “Saudi Arabia continued in 2014 to try, convict, and imprison political dissidents and human rights activists solely on account of their peaceful activities. Systematic discrimination against women and religious minorities continued. Authorities failed to enact systematic measures to protect the rights of 9 million foreign workers.”; “As in past years, authorities subjected hundreds of people to unfair trials and arbitrary detention.”; “Saudi Arabia does not tolerate public worship by adherents of religions other than Islam and systematically discriminates against Muslim religious minorities, notably Twelver Shia and Ismailis.”; “Detainees, including children, commonly face systematic violations of due process and fair trial rights, including arbitrary arrest and torture and ill-treatment in detention. Saudi judges routinely sentence defendants to floggings of hundreds of lashes.”; “On March 7, the Interior Ministry issued further regulations designating a list of groups the government considers terrorist organizations, as well as other provisions that proscribe acts such as “calling for atheist thought,” throw[ing] away loyalty to the country’s rulers,” “contact or correspondence with any groups, currents [of thought], or individuals hostile to the kingdom,” and participating in or calling for protests or demonstrations.”; “ministerial policies and practices forbid women from obtaining a passport, marrying, traveling, or accessing higher education without the approval of a male guardian, usually a husband, father, brother, or son.”
All of these regimes have appalling records, but to say that Assad is no more brutal a dictator is patently absurd. Maybe we’d see their true colors if they had a military conflict in their backyards but to draw your conclusion relies on mere speculation. Until that happens, Assad is a much more brutal dictator.
These assertions are nonsense; you don’t even mention beheading of political dissidents by the Saudis. Anyone who isn’t spinning some PR line would have to admit that the Syrian regime has no more or less respect for human rights than the Gulf Arab dictatorships, who would respond just as brutally to any uprising that threatens their grip on power – as seen in Yemen, correct? And I notice your comment ignores Yemen.
Bending over backwards to give a dictatorship a pass on their atrocities – that’s the U.S. State Department PR line on the Saudis and other Gulf Arab dictatorships. Sleazy and dishonest is all it is.
But no different than the USSR……..er Russia, right?
If the assertions are nonsense, take it up with Human Rights Watch, they’re entirely their words.
As for “beheadings,” they weren’t mentioned in the HRW report.
As I said before (but you must have ignored), your argument falls apart because of your speculation. Unless you possess magical powers of foresight, you don’t know how other countries’ leaders would react in a situation akin to Syria. You say they WOULD respond just as brutally but that is a counterfactual claim and you know it.
The reason I “ignored Yemen” was by accident. I didn’t realize I could have used the 2016 version of HRW’s report. I can post an update if you’d like that lists Saudi intervention in Yemen. But Saudi infractions still pales in comparison to the situation in Syria which got much worse in the interim.
Also, I didn’t give anybody “a pass.”
Lastly, another piece of info. that hurts your argument:
In 2016 Freedom House rated Syria the WORST country in the world in terms of privacy rights and civil liberties.
A zionist brethren runs HRW,and is not honest,as you are not honest.
This is to see if I can comment using my computer instead of my phone.
Van Jones unintentionally explains what is wrong with US politics. He says some Americans are under the impression that “if you just go vote” you get what you want. Jones says that is not enough. “You have to win every day”.
In more functional democracies, um, yes that’s what we do, we “just go vote” for the politicians who want what we want, and if they win, they, obviously, do what we, and they want. (that is kind of their job, to alleviate the need for the entire population to work in government)
But, according to Jones, you should swallow hard, elect Clinton, and then work every day of your life, to pressure her to do what she, and her Wall St backers clearly don’t want to do.
There was a CNN Libertarian town hall. For me, what is interesting for me about the Libertarians, is the mix of things I think they have spot on…and the things that I think they are completely out to lunch on. For example, drugs, I’m not a proponent of them, but I agree that it should be a medical issue and not a criminal issue.
And then there is “Eliminate the IRS and everybody pay a flat consumption tax”. The billionaires would love seeing their untaxed savings pile up as the Libertarians cut every government dept by twenty percent (What do billionaires need with government services anyway, eh???)
Many drug proponents are very smart people,and many of histories most intelligent writers,thinkers and philosophers imbibed,from alcohol,to opium,to marijuana.
This is true:
In a healthy multi-party democracy, if there is a policy space, unoccupied….either one of the existing parties grabs it…or a new party forms to take that position. Not so in the US. The two main parties have a stranglehold on the public/private machinery of democracy. They both refuse to take popular positions and at the same time they prevent other parties from entering the contest (gerrymandering, barring them from debates, preventing ballot access etc).
@MONA
For technical reasons I am very limited in my ability to comment here right now. But I do want to try to address your perception that I am somehow insulting women with my enthusiasm for the idea of a female president.
Obviously it should not be taken to mean I would support any female candidate based solely on gender with no regard for merit. I think it would be cool (in fact, fucking awesome) to have a Muslim president, but I trust you know I wouldn’t support a member of ISIS in a bid for the White House.
When an African-American was elected president, it was in my view a wondrous milestone for my beloved country. And it meant a hell of a lot to a great many people who are not fools. A woman president would mean a great deal to many non-fools as well. I think that matters.
You and some others here, however, appear to start from the premise that H. Clinton is a depraved homicidal monster who yearns to drink the blood of as many innocent Muslims as she can kill. I don’t subscribe to that premise, so I’m comfortable viewing her gender as a positive attribute in light of the historic significance.
I certainly intended no insult to anyone, and I hope you know that.
You and some others here, however, appear to start from the premise that H. Clinton is a depraved homicidal monster who yearns to drink the blood of as many innocent Muslims as she can kill.
Well, that was a bit hyperbolic. I don’t think Clinton is, per se, homicidal, just indifferent to the suffering caused to women and children – which often involves homicide in rather large quantities – in the countries she advocated intervention in. Nor do I think her morning Bloody Mary’s are necessarily concocted with real blood…though she could start her own market for such if she chose with her likely future foreign policies.
I haven’t had time to read back down through the thread, so any responses you were able to make below will have to wait til a bit later today (and I hope you solve your technical difficulties, been there, done that, wasn’t fun). So I am not aware if you’ve addressed why the historical nature of her candidacy is more paramount than the effects on other human beings of her actual actions?
One lesson I learned from Obama’s candidacy and presidency was that no president thus far, no matter the uniqueness of his biological/cultural attributes, should be admired/elected solely on that uniqueness. There ARE other things more important or, at least, that should be more important, if the US is to ever be anything other than the biggest bully the world stage has ever known.
I took no personal insult from anything I’ve read from you so far, but my heart weeps with sorrow that so many people I know fail to see past the historical nature of a given candidacy in order to recognize the demonstrable evidence that points to how that candidacy will fail the rest of the world. The world suffers greatly due to our shortcomings on this front and will, apparently, continue to do so just so some of us can pat ourselves on the back over how we’re finally catching up with Britain in electing our own mistake, complete with ovaries and expensive earrings.
*raises hand*
I think she is depraved.
Yes, “depraved” fits, but I think her homicidal tendencies are, for the most part, only directed at thugs like Qaddafi. The coincidental death and destruction of millions of innocents is just something that is too small to even cross her threshold of awareness. I think “sociopathic” fits better, but IANAP.
Thugs like Qaddafi?Could you elucidate his thuggishness wo relying on serial liar reports?
Why do seemingly intelligent people always revert to reports by the enemy of the rulers we depose?
Libya was the most prosperous,advanced state in Africa,and it was Qaddafi who made it so.
I really think that if she becomes president she will be using the police against the citizenry at an unprecedented level. Many will die in the US. So both “depraved” and “sociopathic” work for me!
My guess is that within her first 100 days in office, Hillary Clinton will authorize US military attacks against Asad’s forces.
You’re beig generous giving her 100 days. I’d give her like 30.
With all due respect to both of you…I think according to this article it will be before any day in office.
The first day in office,just like the drone king.
It is seldom one sees such a deeply biased and thoroughly dishonest article. It would be downright funny if it weren’t so pathetic.
Until today I was against US involvement in Syria. I’m staunchly anti war, and see it as a matter of last resource.
Today while waiting at the laundromat for my wash to finish I read a piece in the New Yorker about the war against doctors in Syria. How Assad and the Russians are specifically targeting medical personnel as a tactic to prevent the opposition from seeking medical attention. The story was long, grisly, heartbreaking, and nearly brought me to tears. Not recommended to be read in public if you don’t want to be walking around looking like you’re about to cry.
Anyways. The story was told about a doctor who taught a new technique and how it was saving lives – the politics behind the war in Syria weren’t even touched on at all, nor were there political prescriptions to fix the problem. It was simply a story about a person and the crazy shit they saw in Syria, which leads me to believe that there isn’t an agenda behind it (unlike most Syria related pieces). But what it described – a literal war against medical personnel – is so completely unacceptable that we have to do something. And that’s the problem. What do we do? Even if we successfully oust ISIS and Assad from power, and don’t go into WW3 with Russia, who succeeds in the power vacuum? Iraq brought us ISIS… What will Syria bring? And yet I still believe that something needs to be done…
What about all the innocent people killed by the US/Zionist empire? Shouldn’t something be done about them?
Did I say I support our nation building adventures? No, I didnt.
If we didn’t intervene during WW2 what would of happened? I see Syria as a crime against humanity like the nazis were a crime against humanity. And I’m pretty sure they didn’t specifically target medics.
The US didn’t intervene in WW2,we were invited in by Japanese and German error.
“I read a piece in the New Yorker about the war against doctors in Syria. How Assad and the Russians are specifically targeting medical personnel as a tactic to prevent the opposition from seeking medical attention.”
Followed by: “– the politics behind the war in Syria weren’t even touched on at all”
An amazing feat! It’s the little establishment-agenda-man that isn’t there beneath the stair!
Besides, the US isn’t the world’s policeman. Too many assume it is America’s place to lead with dominion the forward path of the world – an attitude which much of the Earth’s populace actually finds quite menacing in terms of furthering world peace.
Also, why shouldn’t the US militarily intervene in ALL the other atrocities going on in the world (in Saudi Arabia, for example, to their domestic and Yemeni victims), if this particular intervention has found your approval? Why is it that only establishment (corporate/state elite) interests are the common element to all ongoing and proposed interventions suggested by the system? Is it not possible you’ve been played, your feelings manipulated to support a violent boondoggle you may not have approved otherwise?
Plus, let’s hope a US airstrike doesn’t “accidentally” bomb the hospitals about which you are admirably protective. The US does seem to incur a great deal of collateral damage as it strikes out so virtuously – and an unconscionable amount of its actions in the area are in fact dangerously affording uprisings of Wahhabism (extremist ‘Islam’) to flourish unnaturally in virulent forms, in contrast to military claims of fighting extremism and doing good.
I hope you stay anti-war.
Who said that we should go it alone? We’re not the worlds policeman, but we do have the power to be one when needed that few others have thanks to our bloated and ridiculous military (at the expense of our social programs).
Is Saudi Arabia targeting doctors? Hospitals? BOMBING hospitals with bombs designed to inflict the most damage to humans, and then coming in 20 mins later with snipers to pick off the injured and those trying to help the injured?
I didn’t think so. Just because we have a history of fucking shit up doesn’t mean we should be completely isolationist either. Some wars should be fought. This is one of them. my problem with supporting an intervention is what happens next – what fills the power vaccuum?
Well, Saudi Arabia has been slaughtering women, children and men with American-supplied cluster bombs (see CNN: Report: Saudi Arabia used U.S.-supplied cluster bombs in Yemen)
Presumably you know how hideous such behavior is, and how hideous the US is for affording it.
I have my doubts whether you are really anti-war at all. Plus you seem reluctant to see that establishment promoted violence is non-coincidentally waged in the interests of the corporate/state elite and not the American people. Furthermore you are ignoring the fact that intervention is causing virulent forms of Wahhabism to flourish unnaturally in the region.
before you finish your conclusion, look at something called the YINON PLAN. The backers of hillary have an agenda.
what needs to be done? How about the people of the US owning their own government and currency for starters.
I think the name Ashley is given once they realize the child is dumb,as it fits,a real valley girl name.
“which leads me to believe that there isn’t an agenda behind it”
Do you truly believe that supporting an illegal regime change war (which you say you do now) isn’t precisely the agenda that article was written to advance?
Was the “evidence” of the plot more than hearsay from someone who wants you to support their war?
And, the direct targeting of a hospital in Afghanistan by the US is different how?
Was the evidence from that highly investigated and reported attack less convincing?
Remember Carlin-
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
Go join IsUS ass wipe.The Nyer,the NYTs Wapo,etc etc are all serial liars looking to sway the weak minded,or is it your ethnicity that molds your mind?.
OK, I’m pretty sure that the US Constitution guarantees my inalienable right to have as many hyper-links as the author’s at this site. What gives?
The US constitution doesn’t apply here.
This is a private website, subject to the will of its owner.
Edit- just checked out your link. Perhaps you were just being silly, Sillyputty? ;)
That is true, but Sillyputty’s point about the poor quality of the comment section here – years after we wer promised that these issues would be worked out – still stands, however tongue-in-cheek it was in the making.
The issue with multiple links is an intermittent problem that can be quite frustrating when one is trying to create a comprehensive comment to add to a comprehensive post. For whatever reason TI continues to not address it, or, if they’re trying, doesn’t seem to think it worth informing its commenting community about.
That’s a shame because I know a lot of folks who used to comment here, people whose ideas are worth considering, who no longer do due to this continuing frustration and the lack of regard for the commenting community it seems to imply.
Thanks for clarifying Sillyputty’s intent.
Yep, the comments section here still leaves something to be desired.
I’m just going to have Pedinska post for me, from now on. ;-)
Trump is a maniac, but at least he says he’d negotiate with other countries. It comes down to a choice between two awful candidates–what our corrupt political parties have gifted us. fear clinton more, because she is so arrogant (as is Trump) that she won’t respect that the Russians under Putin will not be pushed around. But push she will, just like she pushes the limits of legality here at home.
When Obama gave Hillary the State Dept Job She knew based on eight years in the WH she had hit the jackpot. Indeed she did not wind up like some lottery winners broke…She sold her influence so despots could get lucrative arms deals, and exemptions for child soldiers. With , Powers, Rice, and Hills as her capos, it was a defacto Crime syndicate.
What you see in this other woman is just another think tank candidate applying..auditioning for a gig making public statements , like the 50 State Dept employees demanding we bomb Syria .
These people have shed enough blood already to fill a tanker fleet of Queen Marys, and brung about a population displacement that is bring Europe to its knees. Its no coincidence they were all sitting on OIl Lands..Like the Native Americans sat on Gold in the Old West.If history does not repeat itself..at least it definitely rhymes in Hillarys case.
Maybe thats karma..but I think its a result of Very very bad policy from Hillary, who created a Mini WH within the WH. Obama did his thing..while she did hers..and we are all suffering the consequences.
Flountroy is just another member of the porcine warrior class who wants , like many of the Think tank experts that advised Cruz Rubios, and Hillarys campaigns, just want another day at Public feeding trough.
Pickins are slim now..They know their days are numbered.
Thanks to your efforts and articles..people are a lot smarter..we will see how smart in November..
Thank you for your articles
The post lightly [edited] for accuracy:
“The carnage in Syria is horrifying, but no rational person should think [I have anything coherent, accurate, or even decent to say about it].
[The US has been planning] to militarily intervene [or, in plain language, to commit the supreme international war crime against] Syria since before 2002:
The war in Syria is a civil conflict – [that’s such a nice way to put the wholesale slaughter of other people about whom I do not care] as well as a regional conflict [planned by the US] – and any realistic solution must resolve the complex geopolitical problems of the conflict [or, in plain language again, I don’t have the foggiest idea what I’m talking about]. Two weeks ago, Assad vowed to “…..”liberate” every inch of the country lost to rebel groups……” gutting the cease fire and any potential to resolve the conflict diplomatically [which is just as well, as the US has been blocking efforts to end the war for years:]
As the war has turned in Assad’s favor, he has gained confidence that there is a military solution to the conflict. More Syrians will die [oh goody; that means – as I’ve put it repeatedly many times – the US gets another] golden opportunity to bomb Syria, [more] bombing the fuck out of Assad. . .a golden opportunity to bomb Syria into the stone age. . .a golden opportunity to bomb Assad and really set the regime back militarily. . .[and,] a golden opportunity to bomb the fuck out of the Assad regime. . . and more will become refugees because of that decision [I’m so deeply moved.]
The current US policy makes no sense[, and neither do I]. Allowing the Russians to bomb the Syrian rebel positions without a response is simply not a tenable position for a diplomatic solution [But somehow, allowing the US to bomb the Syrian army is]. The Obama administration has made extremely poor and contradictory decisions in Syria since the beginning of the war [like me in just about everything I try to defend], and this has only served to embolden the Syria and Russian regimes to continue to fight [while I spin around like a top trying to rationalize it all].
Additionally, there can be no diplomatic solution where Assad (the murderer) remains in power. That’s obvious [at least, I hope it is, because I don’t know how else to explain it; I’m just parroting what I’m told. That’s really obvious]. This has been the goal of the Gulf States and the US since the war was initiated by the [US} which militarily crushed ordinary [Iraq] with plans to go on to destroy the] Syrian p[eople and many others as General Clarke told us years ago. T]he US and the Gulf states [have committed a] level and scale of murder [through out the ME far greater than that of] the Assad regime. [So I keep repeating what I’m told: ‘Assad is a murderer.’]”
[snicker] Good work yet again, Doc. Yours are the only “Craig” comments I read in their entirety.
Really enjoyed reading your response!
DocHollywood
I have posed a question to you three times about comments Mona made about Zionist and Jews. You continue to refuse to respond which suggest that you are an anti-Jewish bigot. Do you believe the comments below cross the line into antisemitism?
Mona calling Adolph Eichmann a Zionist:
“……..And altho Eichmann explicitly said, “I am a Zionist,” he didn’t mean it. Not according to the way Shalev defines “Zionism” and would prefer you to define it……To understand why Eichmann could be both a Zionist and also have committed the atrocities he did, one must understand a very critical thing about the man……..”
“……..It’s a matter of the historical record that the Third Reich did, in fact, support Zionism. Other than Nazi symbols and flags, the blue-star flag of Zionism was the only other flag permitted to fly in Nazi German……”
“……..Zionists [Jews] have grossly exploited the Holocaust as their “permission slip” to commit vicious crimes themselves, primarily against Palestinians. Enough of that. The Holocaust was an abomination, but it is not the only crime against humanity, and I now advocate that it be removed from sacred status…….” My insertion in brackets
“……Money amplifies voices. If the people First Look is hiring are able to help shape the dominant narrative, I wouldn’t even care if they were funded by a Nazi — as long as said Nazi was as laissez-faire as Pierre says he will be.…..”
Mona (even) calling Mona an anti-Semite:
“…………Ten years ago, a Jewish friend told me that neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby were the most dangerous thing to arise for Jews in many decades. He noted that once Americans realize the U.S. is sending their sons and daughters into Middle Eastern wars desired by Israel and promoted by neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby at home, there will be rage. There will be fury about the billions we send Israel and the way our foreign policy and politics are warped by the Lobby. And it has come to pass — we are seeing that with the antisemitic Trumpites. They realize it all, and they are furious…….”
Mona repeating this claim to another poster:
“…….Yes, it’s definitely ratcheting up. Almost ten years ago, a Jewish friend told me he was certain that once Americans woke up to the extent the Israel Lobby controls U.S. foreign policy — including the neocon enthusiasm for sending U.S. sons and daughter to fight Middle Eastern wars that Israel and the Israel Lobby demands — Jews will suffer……..”
According to Wikipedia,
“………In 2002, [David] Duke traveled to Eastern Europe to promote his book, Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening on the Jewish Question in Russia in 2003. The book purports to “examine and document elements of ethnic supremacism that have existed in the Jewish community from historical to modern times.”[118]……”
Mona’s response (agreeing with David Duke)
“……..And about that, he has a great deal of truth on his side……”
“………When I claim Zionists are fascists, I am not calling names or waxing hyperbolic: I mean it literally, as a reasonably well-educated person would understand the term……”
There you go Doc. Any of it cross the line in your honest opinion?
Argumentum ex Silentio, my friend…
Great HRC wants to start a fight with Russia over Syria and ISIS and start WWIII even before she’s in the White House! Less evil than Trump, I don’t know? More so based on her previous actions. Less dangerous than Trump? Definitely NOT!
Not one Syrian quoted, no mention of hundreds of popular grassroots protests in Syria against ISIS, Assad and JN across the country since the ceasefire took hold. Why even discuss a country without talking about, you know, what’s happening inside?
Excellent article. Almost all of American culture is stupefied, however, and those who need to know this most will dismiss it because “WOMAN DEMOCRAT” and “BETTER THAN TRUMP” are now and will ever be louder than thought for these unfortunates – regardless of anything she does.
But I do appreciate you taking a sandblaster to a politician who sounds like a table-saw; it seems appropriate.
Maybe if I were a better person, I’d have voted for Sanders 2 months ago instead of HRC. Maybe I needed a team to be on. (I was on Team Israel for a long time, but that ultimately didn’t work out.) Maybe I needed it to be the winning team, I dunno.
In any event, it’s long since done. To the extent anyone here once thought well of me and now holds me in lower esteem, I’ll just have to live with it.
What on earth are you talking about man? I was born with a congenital defect. I didn’t know everything that there was to know. You were probably born with a similar defect. As long as your mind is evolving, in the right direction, you’re a normal person.
Cheers :)
I, too, was born with the congenital defect AiC, and the rest of humanity, come equipped with on birth.
None of us springs forth, like Venus on the half-shell, perfectly formed, conscious and empathetic. The real test is the number of us who go on to develop tools and do the real work to overcome our congenital defect in order to progress along the scale of human compassion.
You have shown yourself capable and I still believe in you, no matter how vehemently I may argue with you over this particular case. After all, if I were to so easily discard all the good over this particular bad, how would that reflect on me? :-)
If it’s any consolation, Sanders’ foreign policy was never properly articulated and by all indications would have been a continuation of Obama’s braindead and vile corporate militarism, death lists, drone strikes, dirty wars etc…
Hillary will be worse, though, it must be said. Much, much worse. She clearly has greedy and vindictive delusions of grandeur far beyond Obama’s narcissism, and that’s saying something.
Donald of course hasn’t a clue, and would rely on whichever Generals sell ideas most convincingly – but in my opinion he’s only there on the national stage to have worse unfavorable ratings than Hillary, for the whole charade is quite obviously put in place to coronate your dear Queen Clinton in November and make this oligarchical move look reasonable somehow.
Almost forgot: Jill Stein 2016.
43 million students voting to cancel their student loan debt means a Green Party President this year.
It is possible, if the establishment honestly counts our votes.
Trump has more clues to America’s recovery than Carter had liver pills.
It’s the rejection of reality which propels HRC voters,and reality which drives Trumps.
I’m going to chime in with Pedinska and Mona below. However, unlike them I’ll be a little more forgiving and say this–I hope your daughter never gets drafted and is forced to participate in killing human beings who are likely no threat to her or the United States because of our future President Clinton’s understanding of the concept “our national interest” vis a vis her foreign policy views.
But as both indicated, it is most disappointing to see your rationale for voting HRC in the primary–very superficial and poorly reasoned in my opinion. But given you were at once a Zionist and aren’t now, I suppose there is hope that you’ll eventually see the light in some other arenas particularly regarding this country. Maybe do something meaningful with your vote in the future to change those realities, more meaningful than what you’ve done in the past anyway.
As far as what “esteem” anyone on the internet holds anyone else, I doubt any reasonably well adjusted person loses sleep over it.
The real question is will you think about the rationale and consequences for your vote differently in the future based on the merits of the critiques of that rationale offered by various commenters. That’s a least worth thinking about because that’s how human beings learn.
Again, for the record, I wouldn’t waste time, if I were you Gator feeling “ashamed”. You voted for the same mainstream candidate that millions of others did. In our little neck of the woods, she’s a “vile war criminal”….but to most Americans she’s a respected states(wo)man. And most people will make their choice for her on economic grounds….our (intercept) issues aren’t on most people’s radar. (something that progressives need keep in mind). Basically I’m not prepared to condemn you, as an individual voter, either in person, or on the internet. I’ll save my condemnation for the actual candidate herself, and hold her responsible for her own actions.
Economic grounds?Wow that’s absurd,her husband helped usher in the collapse of Americas economy,with Nafta,Cafta,WTO and now TPP with Obomba.
She is completely in the wrong about every issue facing America,from the WOT,to the economy to Israel to illegal immigration.
Trump will force the MSM to acknowledge every misstep this crud has made.
This is to see if my commenting privileges have been restored.
Without having asked anyone, I’m 100% certain that your ability to comment was never removed. The software here fucks up people’s ability to comment all the damn time.
It happened to me over Memorial Day weekend.
I know. And because of it I was unable to respond fully to several things said below.
I do want to address your perception of “obscene insult” in my enthusiasm for the idea of a woman president. No insult was intended; I hope and trust you know that.
Obviously I did not mean that any female candidate should be supported solely on the basis of gender with no regard for merit. (But it could be a tiebreaker, why not?) I also think it would be cool (in fact, fucking awesome) to have a Muslim president. That should not be taken to mean I would support a member of ISIS in a bid for the White House.
You start from the premise that HRC is a vicious, bloodthirsty monster. It is not a premise I share.
When an African-American was elected president, it was, in my view, a wondrous milestone for my beloved country. And it meant a hell of a lot to a great many people who are not fools. A woman president would mean a lot to many non-fools as well, and I don’t think that should be dismissed lightly.
It’s really getting to be Philip K. Dick’s scenario in his alternate history, “The Man in the High Castle” (where Japan and Germany have won World War II and split the United States into two conquered territories, with the Rockies dividing the two zones).
In that novel, the main characters are faced with unpleasant choices; the Nazis ultimately want to launch a nuclear attack against Japan in their quest for world domination, and to stop this, they have to work with a different Nazi faction opposed to the nuclear option.
That’s what people have to consider now; a corrupt factionalized government, with Hillary Clinton leading the pro-global war faction; stopping her military interventionist agenda should really be the central issue. However, Trump seems just as bad . . .
So it seems the only real hope is getting Congress and the courts to roll back the executive privileges of the President, particularly the ability to launch military attacks on other countries without an explicit vote in Congress. Weakening the Office of the President should be priority #1, no matter which of these candidates ends up in the Oval Office.
Well actually, the main characters of the novel High Castle are regular people who have no power over the choices made in Germany.
Ah, perhaps most of them are, but I was thinking specifically about Tedeki (military general) who meets with Baynes (German diplomat) in an effort to prevent a German-Japan nuclear war:
Similarly, if we don’t want a war with China or Russia or Iran, we must attempt to undermine the militaristic foreign policy of Hillary Clinton.
NO. Tedecki is not a character in the novel. Stupid TV show from a few minutes ago, yes. Great novel from more than 50 years ago, no.
That has been my assessment for many years. The idea that the President, any president, is or should be “the Decider in Chief” for all our dilemmas – war in particular – is not only lazy thinking from the voters, it is constitutionally suspect, to say the least.
As I noted elsewhere it was evident (several Presidents ago, actually) that we’d get no real change with any candidate for President so long as the electorate continued to cede its voice to a Congress that has less to do with governance on our behalf and more to do with corporate toady-ism.
Then along came Bernie. I’ve no illusions that he’s a perfect president, especially on foreign policy, although I take great comport in the fact that he’s a exhibited a genuine concern for “others” both here and at home that has been missing from our national priorities for far too long. More importantly, for me, is that he exhibits a consistency in these views (not downgrading them for political reasons) and that shows me that he has courage in his own convictions – such as his views on torturing other humans beings as an example.
Finally, Mr. Sanders, unlike Mr. Obama, knows what a bully-pulpit is for and uses it, as his phenomenally historic bid for the presidency attests.
Yes, and the fact that ‘fringe candidates’ (as labeled by the corporate media at the start of the political season) later exploded to such prominence (Sanders and Trump) shows the electorate’s disgust with both political parties; the only reason Sanders didn’t roll right over Clinton was massive corporate media bias, DNC manipulation of debates, and highly like voting fraud in various states such as Arizona and New York.
Obviously fiction,as how the hell would Nazi Germany or Japan invade and conquer America?We outnumbered them ,and no way could they have invaded across the oceans in numbers to defeat US,and even if they could have,they would have got their ass kicked.
File it under Red Dawn.
But she and Sanders voted 93% the same! And of course each of those votes were equally important and about the same things. And of course Congressional voting records directly correlates into what one would do as President, since each branch has the same powers and duties. 93%, they’re virtually identical!
Clinton is also an incredible feminist, because the only women on Earth are in the US. American women certainly don’t have any privilege over millions of dead displaced foreign women due to hawks such as her, because those women don’t exist! Yeah, that’s the ticket!
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I’ll try this one more time. My comment that should have been about number 51 went to moderation hell for some unknown reason.
I addressed the comment to Glenn. In that one I pointed out that one of the two main stream political parties will win the presidency this year as always happens. One can dislike both candidates or all of politics and as a radical anarchist, I certainly don’t love either party. But one side or the other will win this cycle.
Mrs. Clinton, in my judgement, is the most bloodthirsty politician I have seen in my lifetime. She should have stared in “Dr. Strangelove” if only she had been old enough. She favors goading both Russia and China. She favors invading Syria and overthrowing the leader of a government that has never threatened us. She seems to think playing chicken with WW3 is just fine with her.
Glenn, at what point do you admit that one person in the race is a crazy warmonger and the other is wrong on many things but does seem to favor talking to Putin and China. At what point do we say, the left has become pro-war and is no longer the anti-war left of my youth.
Where do we go from here, Glenn?
I don’t know why you expect Greenwald to tell you how to vote. Has he endorsed anybody ever?
Tell me how to vote? You gotta be kidding. I don’t vote.
Glenn is a leftist. I am asking where the left goes from here in this election cycle. At some point, he must have an outcome that he would rather see happen. I think he should write about it at some point.
Tell me how to vote??? Oh my god.
If you’re not going to participate in democracy at even the most basic level, i.e. voting, then why do you think you have any right to complain when your door is kicked down in the middle of the night and you’re hauled off to a labor camp at gunpoint by STASI thugs?
If you’re not even going to bother voting, then what kind of government system do you propose? Hereditary dictatorship? You could always run for office yourself; but how would that work, if nobody voted?
Mark is an anarcho-capitalist. He opposes a state of any kind.
Those are the guys who believe in a magic sky god named “Market,” right?
Hi Mark. Your comment has now appeared below. It looks like you left off the “l” at the end of your handle so the system probably thought you were a “new” commenter and put you into the moderation bin that all newbies go into until their sign-in info is recorded/recognized.
p.s. Agree with you on Clinton. :-)
Thank you for writing so clearly about Clinton’s prospective Defense Secretary and her pre and post coronation war plans. Are they insane? Is a Sanders/Stein ticket possible?
“[Hillary Clinton] lost 22 states to a 74-year-old self-described socialist from Vermont running without any support from the national party.”
And we’ve seen what Team Hillary, and the DNC, have done to welcome all of this new enthusiasm, and energy — they’ve told us us to get fucked, claiming we are predominantly young white male misogynists, aka, “BernieBros.” Let’s return the sentiment.
As the party of FDR the Democratic Party is well dead. Freddie deBoer has a great op-ed in WaPo about how it now lacks a “coherent identity,” except “not Republican,” and is another party for financial elites (who find the GOP a tad embarrassing).
Hillary Clinton epitomizes all that is sick and wrong with the Democratic Party:
Or care about the non-wealthy. We need to raise all hell during this monstrous woman’s reign, and to either remake the Democratic Party, or leave it.
It is time for “any means necessary.”
We have almost reached the tip of the triangulation triangle. Unfortunately it was a right triangle and the hypotenuse went from left to right.
Great piece! Thank you Glenn.
Perhaps the most serious issue of this election is whether we can be assured of surviving the next four years without nuclear war. This seems to be a serious threat if the fascist harpy gets elected. Assured survival trumps political correctness every time.
This was Hillary’s pre-08′ roadmap for the future president (her), co-authored by her likely new Defense Department chief, Michele Flournoy:
It appears that Obama just didn’t handle his inheritance very well. Hillary’s itinerary, despite being demonstrably disingenuous, remains:
And on debt-reduction, Hillary’s cost-containment strategy relies on the always popular (among authoritarian oligarchs) austerity formula that somehow a reduction in civil liberties must always be traded for sound fiscal policies:
Hillary is simply a continuation (and likely escalation) of the horror show that we’ve already been experiencing.
This interventionist-despite-things-never-working-out strategy needs to end, and the sooner the better. Unfortunately, we have to get through Hillary and Trump to get there. I’m quite prepared to do what it takes to get to the other side of this mess, which includes having Trump as a President rather than Hillary, largely because crisis brings change, and by electing Hillary we’re subjecting ourselves to repeating the past and not preparing for the future.
Omelets, broken eggs, and all that.
“It was wrong, but sometimes you have to break a few eggs in order to make an omelette.” ~ Stephen King
of course. her backers bought her to invoke the
YINON PLAN
Oh Glenn if you only knew the state of affairs over at your old stomping ground Salon dotcom.
They got it bad for Hillary. Real bad.
Sometimes I post excerpts from your articles. In fact, I did so just today. You should see the names they call you, but worse, the excuses they make to convince themselves that Democrat foreign aggression is good and totally not like Republican foreign aggression.
It drive me to nausea on a daily basis.
Anyways, excellent read as always.
Hi, Glenn, I just want to get your opinion on Paul Jay’s (of The Real News Network) assertion that Clinton would somehow be less likely than Trump to get us mired into another war. Your observations and Clinton’s record indicate the exact opposite—that she is more likely to start another, bigger war, likely with Russia, which would have disastrous results given that it is still a nuclear power.
Also, given how unpopular both Clinton and Trump are with the electorate, what are your thoughts on the Green and Libertarian Parties running candidates? Even if they don’t win, they are likely if they receive a high enough percentage to have at least some influence on at least one of the two major political parties, just as H. Ross Perot’s Reform Party shifted Democrats and Republicans farther to the right in 1992 and 1996. Given the sheer contempt and abuse heaped upon Sanders supporters by Clintonites throughout this campaign, why should they throw their ballots away on a candidate who promises to do even worse than her opponent if she is elected?
“Also, given how unpopular both Clinton and Trump are with the electorate, what are your thoughts on the Green and Libertarian Parties running candidates?”
This Sanders supporter will be voting for Gary Johnson in 2016.
I just can’t in good conscious contribute to foisting Trump or Clinton upon the rest of the world.
Is it my imagination or did Hillary just say “do all the things you can to all the people you can for as long as you can”??! That’s some truth in advertising there.
Just in the last day or two, VP Joe Biden has shown Michele Flournoy, clear & distinct, the way she can achieve lasting peace for America in the Middle East. As shared with Charlie Rose, Biden’s solution, ultimately, is to take out Saddam. Vide:
http://www.rt.com/usa/347788-biden-assad-saddam-blunder/
I keep hearing most msm news and late night hosts say how terrifying the thought of President Trump is to them, and I have to admit it sounds sort of insane. Yet I told someone just yesterday few things terrify me more than knowing nothing improves when installing status quo Hillary Clinton as president, and instead it probably just gets worse again in the direction of war criminal GWB. I have a granddaughter.
And it’s not just that life on Earth and humanity will continue suffering irreparable destruction from sitting on hands and doing nothing pro-active for another 4 to 8 years. It’s that those very same forces that for decades actively engaged in Earth’s destruction to profit the few, including endlessly toppling socially inclined governments and manipulating worlds markets to protect non-renewable energy monopolies (the U.S. military runs on oil), are ALL now lined up behind Hillary who’s proudly representing them instead of the 99%.
The Democrats became Reagan / Bush Republicans under Bill Clinton, and the Republican base is now largely racist evangelical nationalists.
(Just a reminder to all it was Bill Clinton that signed an Executive Order beginning renditions of “suspected terrorist” to foreign countries specifically to be tortured. *Thanks Jeremy.)
So there’s a part of me cynically believes outrageous Trump has just been playing a part in the Hillary Show, he doesn’t really want to be president – and American couch-potato media-swillers are being played by the establishment, like a fish on a hook. BOTH major parties are completely corrupt – and equally dysfunctional at everything except rigging elections. More than that, their currently shared empire-of-greed ideology where military might makes right is a fundamental threat to life, liberty and happiness – everywhere.
I’m voting GREEN in 2016!
glass half full: a lot can happen between now and november. the syrians and russians put up with the bullshit “ceasefire” (read as: “stop bombing our salafist psychopaths while we rearm them, plz k thnx”) long enough and the 4+1 will probably start mopping up the sloppy remnants of all “moderate” rebels before autumn. at that point, and given the current gains in iraq, there won’t be much of a conflict for the clinton camp to bitch about. then again that never stopped them before. also a possible spike in gas prices makes everything else a back burner issue and strengthens iran, russia and venezuela.
glass half empty and radiated: nuland and the other twats behind that “diplomat dissent memo” (because the key to being a diplomat is saying “this job is HARRRRD…can’t we just bomb them cuz i have hamilton tickets and it’s like 4:30″) take over foreign policy and the pentagon adopts a “love the one you’re with” attitude. even if syria and iraq are close to resolution things get stupid again in ukraine or macedonia or moldova or etc. and once again it’s cuban missile time. also the usual pre-u.s.-election israeli massacre in gaza will come and go with bipartisan support while people promoting bds get arrested for their shirt or whatever the fuck.
there are other hypotheticals that depend on trump getting elected but the clinton sleaze machine is switching to first gear and the american public loves to slurp that garbage up so i’ll save my time.
Depressing as this is, and it is so depressing, it is also utterly unsurprising and has long been perfectly predictable.
Killary has been an unapologetic, neoliberal interventionist, rabid Zionist and warmonger since she appeared on the national scene — an enthusiastic baby bomber since, at least, Serbia-Kosovo.
Also, depressing, and also predictable, is that most Americans simply don’t find warmongering to be problematic, or even undesirable. In fact, we like our wars (as long as not too many draftees are coming home in boxes).
With drones and satellites and all sorts of advanced technology supporting gung ho volunteers, it’s “Bombs away!” and “Amurka fuk yeh!”
Of course, pushing Russia too far into a corner could prove to be the ultimate fatal mistake, but both our leaders and our dismally ignorant citizenry are convinced that we can “win” and conflict.
As they say on Tralfamadore, “So it goes.”
The war monger Clinton cannot wait to start pumping more tax payers bucks into the hands of the war profiteering arms corporations. Throwing away billions of dollars on self perpetuated, and false wars whilst one in seven Americans is now living in severe poverty. Such terribly high poverty levels that even the IMF has warned the US about it :
“IMF warns the US over high poverty” BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36599316
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“No Bomb Zone” sounds a lot like No Fly Zone.
And then there’s this: “the policy Clinton advocates “would require ‘substantial’ ground forces”
Sound Familiar? Clinton is essentially/possibly prepping the Media for another Iraq War-style engagement. Price Tag on Iraq: $2 Trillion
Israel fears Iran more than ISIS therefore half of the HRC establishment machine secretly believes the same thing.
Conservatives hate Obama due to his color. The HRC establishment writes dissent memos for not buying into the Iran is worse than ISIS narrative
The Saudi / Wahhabi / Turk / ISIS folk don’t threaten to wipe Israel off the map ergo the israeli tail is wagging the american state department’s dog
Israel fears Iran’s challenge to their dominance in the Middle East more than ISIS… FTFY. The ” threaten to wipe Israel off the map” meme is a little antiquated by now, don’tya think?
not sure antiquated is accurate… there is grounds for the israelis to fear iran but it’s almost fascinating how the west treats sunni as allies and shia as evil just based on this sole concept
i used to thinkthe same until i learned that that the wahabis were put in power by the west to oppress and steal from the majority chia population. We will have to euthanise the monsters we created: wahabism and zionism. But first nuke the dancing child burners for we are all suffering from trickle down injustice and barbarism. bad people succeed when good people do nothing
“Hey, you guys who want to rape the world, fund us and we will help. We do the research that gives you the justification, and then from time to time our leaders step into the government itself to help put into effect the policies that make it possible for you do do as your heart desires and your pocket book craves.”
DON’T VOTE! Then the politicians will have no option but to push the restart button on everything. NOT VOTING is the most efficient and most effective non violent method of not entering into the contract. The politicians don’t have the will of the people if the people don’t vote.
Thanks Phil, just what I needed. We all know that without the will of the people the government will collapse, and be replaced by one that will. History shows over and over that this happened every time.
I just read a piece that said that no state can be sustained if there is a grossly unequal income distribution. We are toast.
I agree that it does not look to good when the “sensible” candidate has such associations. By the way, speaking of Hilary, (the presumptive candidate) were you once the presumptive insect or did you arrive at your current exalted state all at once?
I buzzed off of the forehead of Noam Chomsky, fully formed and presumptuous as shit!
You are a Zionist?
Not a viable option. Not voting means that the majority of those who do vote and have their votes counted will dictate policy, and give their rigged system undeserved legitimacy. The establishment loves it when people don’t vote, which is why it goes so far out of its way to discourage the practice. Higher voter turnouts mean less predictability, and a greater chance of a real change in the system.
@Michael Wilk-I intentionally left out the act of NOT VOTING has to be apart of a protest and it has to be done by the millions. Voter turnout numbers would have to be in the single digits percentage wise because no politician has legitimacy with those numbers. It might be easier to get that to happen than to continue in the manner we have? The logistics of getting people to NOT do something is significantly less involved than getting people to DO that very same thing, yes?
Agree. Not voting is always dismissed as laziness, not protest. What I would love to see is one rich bastard fork out a heap of his ill-gotten gains for a advert campaign that pushes voting for ANY minor candidate. The higher the ‘minor’ vote, the less legitimacy the winner has. In the end, most of us always end up voting for the lesser evil. This election is pretty equal from where I sit.
Glenn,
What does one say to a progressive who is totally committed to H.R. Clinton in spite of her warmongering past? If one says “Trump” the shouting of “Hitler” starts at once.
While I am a non-voting radical anarchist, I clearly recognize that the Democrat or the Republican will win. There will never be a third party candidate win under the present system.
The Democrats have picked a total warmonger as their candidate. The Republicans may pick Trump or may ambush him at the convention. Regardless, I don’t see a Republican on the horizon as warmongering as Mrs. Clinton.
So what now?
“progressive who is totally committed to H.R. Clinton”
There is no such thing.
Remember the Spanish Civil War. The anarchists looked down on the old government, but when push came to shove they ended up on the same side against something worse.
When push comes to shove, business as usual is better than “water boarding and worse than water boarding”.
Heru,if the rethugs dump Trump,the HB wins big,as all other rethugs are her in drag.
Endless war changes our flag we lose her broad stripes and are bright stars and be bannered in blood
Obama: “We tortured some folks.” Flournoy: “If you bomb the folks we support, we will retaliate…” Gosh, these Democrats are so folksy it makes me want to head for the nearest dark-side hootenanny!
Keep up the great work, Glenn. Your writing is so consistently good and compelling. Your rejection of journalistic faux-neutrality is refreshing. I only wish you were even more prolific.
Hopefully you’re inspiring some new(er) or future journalists to adopt adversarial style and endeavour to hold accountable people in power. The world needs a hundred more Glenn Greenwalds.
I hate the site design of The Intercept_, tho. Idk why but…whatever. No doubt others like it. How does The Intercept_ make money, btw? I never see any indication that my AdBlocker is having to block ads here. Anyway, cheers.
Clinton is more dangerous, a real warmonger who knows what she is doing than Trump. Trump is an American Dream salesman, he is selling something that doesn’t exist anymore; Clinton is selling war. She supported the invasion of Irak, she destroyed Lybia and Syria and she wants more. She is a very unhappy person for obvious reason (her husband, a sex addict but not with her, with other women), in summary, another Margaret Thatcher, the Yankee version.
The US backed regime change effort that started the war in Syria has been a disaster, and Hillary and her crew pushing to make it worse is just further disaster.
Some may recall the Left and the Tea Party making a rather effective ruckus that prevented Obama from direct intervention in Syria, so we should begin a coordinated effort with all who are sick of the radically inhuman neolibcon establishment posing as centrists, to once again work to thwart them.
Their “covert” program (that has bipartisan support) for funding and arming the gang who attacked us on 9/11 and their collaborators in Syria deserves special attention too.
Some real reporters are going to have to step up and start asking direct questions.
Specifically, “who will be running Syria if we succeed in ousting Assad?”
The only possibilities, al Qaida or IS, are far less acceptable to the vast majority of Americans.
The fear and warmongers refusing to discuss the consequences of the policies being pushed in our names must be challenged.
Notice how all talk of the 28 pages has disappeared?Can’t have Saudi and zionist collusion made public,no sir.
This early commitment to bombing is simply a preemptive strike so to speak against right wing male concerns that a woman–in this case, two women–can commit mass murder as well as any man. Hillary and company know they have a credibility gap in virtually every area with the shoot-first-ask-questions-later (if at all) crowd, and this is an attempt to alleviate those silly concerns.
Hill the Kill in 2016!
And long live the Vaginistas.
Hillary needs to appoint blood thirsty weemin with big balls on all important positions.
When Richard Armitage and Brent Scowcroft endorse you for president, you’ve likely already alleviated concerns that militarism is a sex-linked trait.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/brent-scowcroft-endorses-hillary-clinton-224677
That’s for sure. And Hillary is absolutely proud and thrilled by the support of these time-tested old militants, I’m sure. Wouldn’t any Democrat be? But, those cats are the professionals. I was speaking mostly of the right’s garden variety, rank and file warmongers, historically queasy with concern about a woman’s leadership abilities in any area, let alone national defense. Now, TWO damn women are going be driving the military bus!
I say this only because any number of rank and file Republicans have expressed those concerns to me endlessly down through the decades. You’re totally aware that, if placed in power, it won’t take longer than a couple of nano seconds for these two to show how tough they can be on terrorism by bombing the living shit out of some place just to grandstand on their commitment to exercising America’s bloated military might whenever and wherever they want. Besides, they can’t let endorsements from the likes of these dedicated neo-cons go to waste.
I feel safer already.
I find looking at, especially this US election, from the outside (I am Canadian) is quite depressing and either way will lead to more war. If I had a vote I would not vote for either Clinton or Trump and I find the fact that many women seem to be supporting Clinton simply because they share “lady parts” rather than the real issues is disturbing. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see a woman President but one that is not a criminal (as I see Clinton being for destroying the lives of countless people from Libya to Honduras) – instead someone like Jill Stein who doesn’t seem to be a part of this clown show but rather has sound foreign policy.
Also, when it comes to Syria – I don’t really believe that there are “moderate” Syrian rebels – that is a myth. Even if we look back to Libya, it would seem that the “rebels” that we were protecting were either Al Qaeda or linked to Al Qaeda – now that country is completely destroyed (along with Iraq and the Middle East in general). I find it atrocious that recently the US asked Russia to stop bombing Al Qaeda (Al Nusra) in Syria because the “moderates” that the US were supporting were fighting along side Al Qaeda in Syria. I wonder do American’s have such short memories that they forget that Al Qaeda pulled off 9/11 but now it is O.K. for the US government to either directly support Al Qaeda or people that are linked to Al Qaeda? Then you read things like VP Joe Biden speaking about our “allies” in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia/Turkey/Qatar) so hellbent on “regime change” in Syria that they are funding and arming Al Qaeda/ISIS meanwhile we are supposedly bombing Al Qaeda/ISIS and yet these countries are still our allies? Then also add in US 4-star General Wesley Clark who spoke in 2007 about US plans for “regime change” all across the Middle East (7 countries in 5 years – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E) which predate 9/11.
Let’s be real about this, the US and the western world could care a less about people in the Middle East. We don’t lower flags for terrorism in Pakistan or Iraq unlike what we did for Brussels and Paris. US, and western wars, in the Middle East are about “regime change” for geopolitical and economic interests – pipelines, protecting the US Petrodollar, access to oil along with lithium/gold etc., and trying to box out America’s competitors as the US declines meanwhile China (and other countries) are rising. It is a dirty, dirty game irrespective of “human beings” and the “Right to Protect” (meanwhile ignoring international law and other countries human rights) is a farce.
It’s disgusting, and reveals elite, neoliberal “feminsim” for what it is. As long as A Vagina can be a CEO of Fortune 500 companies, and it can launch the wars and curtail the civil liberties, neoliberal feminism has prevailed.
That’s no kind of feminism worth having.
Well I am not an American, first of all, but I have watched video after video of especially women who are going to vote for Hillary Clinton simply based on the fact that she is a woman, irrespective of her record as Secretary of State (or her political record in general) – I find that atrocious especially after what Clinton did in Libya, Honduras etc. If I was an American, the person that I would vote for would be Jill Stein and it would not be because she is a woman but simply because her foreign policy seems very sound compared to what I am seeing from the US, in particular, for over a decade now (probably further) – real change, not more of the same (Democrats or Republicans).
Right on, Mona!
“…do American’s have such short memories that they forget that Al Qaeda pulled off 9/11 but now it is O.K. for the US government to either directly support Al Qaeda or people that are linked to Al Qaeda?”
Answer: No. In fact many very likely realize they’ve been doing this sort of thing for a while now. Many also likely realize they’re their own worse enemy playing this “enemy of our enemy is our friend who will one day be our enemy” bit.
For fun: http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html
This is how the U.S. engages in the world in an effective way. You’ll never see a war propaganda poster with dogs representing nations that says “We’re [the U.S.] Neutral” again.
It is so depressing to think about that the American people could know that their government is supporting Al Qaeda or “moderates” linked to Al Qaeda meanwhile no heads are rolling in the halls of power. I would think that supporting Al Qaeda, especially after 9/11, would have whole swathes of American politicians being threatened with jail time or at the very least removal from their positions. Also, I am not saying that Canada or the Canadian government is blameless either for what I equate to “imperialism” in the Middle East but let’s be real in saying that countries like Canada, Australia or any number of nations would not even think about being involved in the Middle East, let alone breaking international law, if it were not for the US and Britain.
I do hope that Bernie Sanders runs as an independent, possibly with the Green Party, but I have little hope for the US under either Clinton or Trump which I believe will only bring the world more war and suffering, possibly leading to WW3 – I am tired of it.
I think there is a law against that……something about material support….
Well I believe that if American’s vote for either Clinton or Trump, it will amount to insanity as Einstein defined as “doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result”. That is how I see voting for either Democrats or Republicans at this point – I think both parties are corrupt as hell and rife with warhawks bathing in the blood of people from other countries to enrich themselves.
How many certified letters do you send your representative based on news reports demanding investigation into why the U.S. is supporting so called moderate groups like Muslim Brotherhood?
The likely response: we’ve investigated and found no wrong doing or something similar.
Furthermore, according to a retired Navy Admiral? the halls of power are occupied by folks connected to the moderates or terrorists or whatever.
The U.S. gov is divided against itself; who’s side is the State Dept on?
Not long after 911, Syrian officials were invited to Baker Institute for Public Policy for a 3 day conference by Ambassador Djerejian, to discuss how to kill a congressional bill placing sanctions on Syria. At the time, Syria was 1 out of 189 terrorist countries listed by U.S. State Dept. Terrorists were welcomed into the country, they were not arrested. So much for the law.
There is more than one justice system in the U.S.; so, having a law that bans material support will only be enforced on certain types of people.
Vote with a conscience, vote Jill Stein for President and change the world! Make America beautiful as it should be
I worked in the Pentagon (OSD Policy) under a Neocon boss who was hand-picked by Wolfowitz and further coddled by Rumsfeld as a true star for the cause of things like perpetual war for profits and rolling back the New Deal here at home (I was military, so I didn’t get my assignment based on any partisan leanings). My former boss is also a very close friend and admirer of Flournoy and even suggested I go work for her after my tour in OSD. She is labeled a Democrat by way of more effectively delivering Neocon policies into the party, but her network of support comes from strong and deep Conservative ties. In fact, many of the Pentagon’s Neocon elite (most, like my former boss, are holing up in academia and DC think tanks awaiting an administration change) will be welcomed back into the building under Clinton, without a doubt.
Not disputing your first-hand assessment of Pentagon policy, elle, but this …
.. implies ‘Neocon elite’ were unwelcome during the Obama administration.
Iirc, Obama retained a significant number of high-ranking officials from the Bush cabal, from Robert Gates at Sec. of Defense to nearly the whole kit&caboodle of Cheney/Bush National Security officials.
I can’t dispute your information; I have only kept up with a handful of individuals (most were GS15s or SES) to know that they have not been inclined to return yet. I have no doubt that they are more likely to be welcomed under Clinton than they would be under Trump; since he won’t be the nominee, it seems silly to even frame that as a possibility, but there you have it.
Neocons are not American conservatives,they are Zionists.American conservatives were America first,these clowns are all Israel first.
Holy mackerel, and they say Donald Trump is crazy?
*Also, with Eliz Warren as VP (and Lynch continuing as AG) this seems to be shaping up as an all female administration?
Hillary voted for the Iraq war. Bernie did not. Why must we be a nation of warmongers? Have we lost our Humanity? War what is it good for absolutely nothing!
“Hillary voted for the Iraq war. Bernie did not. ”
Coz Bernie’s got no balls. And no vagina. Which is why the progressivists must support Clinton’s wife who’s got them both.
I didn’t know Chris Matthews posted here.
There are very few real Democrat politicians left, Bernie Sanders being a notable example of one, though not the only one. The large majority of Democrats are Republicans in Democrat coats, Obama being a good example, Hillary being an example of a Tea Part extremist in a Democrat coat.
Thus, party politics of both sides have become very close, and in some important instances intertwined, like the recently defeated law on background checks of potential gun owners, and Clinton’s enthusiastic, blind, unquestioning support of anything Israel wants, asks for and does.
2 important issues not mentioned in this article is Clinton’s (or Flournoy’s):
* the attitude to & engagement with China. With the latter’s activities in the South China Sea it is very like that that duo of warriors will seek/provoke a serious confrontation too,
* her enthusiastic, blind, unthinking opposition to the nuclear deal with Iran, which dovetails very nicely with Israel’s position.
It is clear that she will get involved in more warfare, even starting wars, making Obama look like a real softie, and the rest of world thinking back nostalgically about that choir boy George W. Bush. And, let’s not forget, the US & the rest of the world will be stuck with her for 8 eight years if she is elected now.
Clinton will not be the one to pay the bills though.
Clinton is a Reaganite – notice how she talks in such glowing terms about Reagan, over and over again? Nancy Reagan raised awareness of the AIDS issue, she claimed, when in reality the Reagans swept the issue under the rug for years. And here she is channeling Reagan in a speech a day ago:
Sure – the Iran-Contra gun-running/cocaine-smuggling scandal, Reagan’s support for death squad regimes in Central America (curiously similar to Hillary Clinton’s support for the coup in Honduras and the murderous regime that has assassinated over 100 activists and journalists and environmentalists) – reliability and credibility. Unreal.
She’s a bloodthirsty war pig, a greedy dishonest tool of Wall Street, who used her State Department job to shake down dictators like the Saudis for donations to the Clinton Foundation as well as speaking fees for Bill Clinton, who (like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney) ran a private email server to avoid the Presidential Records Act – all in all, an utterly atrocious option for President, as sleazy and dishonest and untrustworthy as they come. Is Donald Trump just as bad? Yes, he is.
We haven’t had this bad of a choice of candidates since the Gilded Age of the late 19th century – but that’s what a corrupt corporate media and a plutocratic system of campaign finance has engendered.
I’d just like to remark on the habit of using “Democrat” as synonymous with…presumably “good”, or synonymous with “bad” if you are of that persuasion.
Doubly funny since in this case, Sanders has his own particular path to being a “Democrat”… as the Clinton camp was wont to remind us.
The original Tea Party were Ron Paul enthusiasts who rejected the NWO.It was then coopted into the neocon orbit by the rethuglicans,who saw a good meme to fool the public with.
“Call for a National Debate on U.S. “Regime Change” Policy”
http://ccisf.org/call-for-national-debate-regime-change-policy/
Thx. .. for that small ray of hope, candace.
I doubt a Hillary Clinton administration will even acknowledge ‘flagrant violations of the UN charter and international law’
*need more like her …
The Center for Citizens Initiative (CCI) delegation currently visiting Russia includes:
“Ann Wright, retired United States Army Colonel and U.S. State Department official. Ann received the U.S. State Department Award for Heroism in 1997 after helping evacuate several thousand persons during the Sierra Leone Civil War. She was one of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.”
You’re welcome, happy to share it.
“I doubt a Hillary Clinton administration will even acknowledge ‘flagrant violations of the UN charter and international law”
Well its not like Hillary, Trump or anyone else is under any pressure to acknowledge it.
From what I can tell the only pressure the public is presenting or what is being allowed to get through is for candidates to avoid looking like they’re associated with money (and liked it) and to keep us safe from terrorism by Muslim.
I am very happy that the Center for Citizens Initiatives exists. When I first saw the website for a brief moment I considered getting a tattoo of the names of the people involved in the delegation to Russia which might be creepy but its also kinda strange for me because I’m old and I’ve never had or wanted one of those things.
So anyway it’s good to know there are people out there that can see and move beyond the destructive and ultimately meaningless election noise and try to do something to prevent the next level of the ongoing disaster in the Middle East.
@Gator
Gator, you voted for this vile woman in Florida’s primary. I really don’t care to hear from you on anything related to her.
Indeed, my view of you is now unalterably changed — as a long-time reader of Glenn’s you know all that is wrong and corrupt about her, and yet you “feel fine” about voting for this warmongering, Wall St. whore, who is BFF with Henry “war criminal” Kissinger.
You should be deeply ashamed.
Just for the record, I completely understand, why many millions of people will choose Clinton over Trump. Especially in states where they feel their votes actually will make a difference, which if I understand correctly is predicted to be …what is it? Four states? (they are called battleground states apparently)
Given that choice, I might very well do the same thing if I were in their place…better the warmonger you know, than a reality tv star. Although it’s not inconceivable that I might find it best to vote for Trump, in hope that, just as a stopped clock is correct twice a day, the orange haired one might accidentally do some good.
But honestly, Is this how it’s going to be? In upcoming presidential elections, the republicans are going to present Americans with increasingly unpalatable buffoons so that the only choice remaining is Wall Street’s candidate?
Yes, as do I. I won’t vote for her, but I can understand a moral person having a different calculus in the general.
My surprise and disgust at Gator’s choice pertains to Florida’s primary.
Oh, I see. Well in that case I must turn my disgust toward Gator!! I mean c’mon! Seriously??? Sanders winning would have been seismic! But then again, would he really do better against Trump? The progressive me would say, yes, I’d like to see that match-up. But what if, just as the Republican establishment may try to sabotage Trump…the Democrat insiders tried to sabotage Sanders? Wall Street prefers Clinton over Trump, but they might prefer Trump over Sanders.
So I temper my vitriol aimed at Clinton supporters in the primaries. …Unless you can come up with a machiavellian scheme where a Trump Sanders matchup leads to a melt down of the entire US political system. That I would be interested in.
Are you fucking kidding? A Sanders win would have been a severe shock to the Democratic Party. It would have forced it to either greatly clean up, or die.
That’s going to happen anyway, but it’s going to take longer — so more Americans are going to suffer, and many more brown people are going to die overseas, because it did not happen in this primary.
Virtually every poll has shown, consistently over many months, Sanders beating Trump more decisively than Clinton would.
There is no moral justification for voting for Hillary Clinton in the primaries. None.
I suspect gator*, and perhaps millions of voters like him, held his nose pulling the lever for Hillary hoping against hope she will, at least, GSD (Get Shit Done). e.g Think what would happen to the future of SCOTUS if the presidency fell into Republican hands … (gasp!) like that.
*other than that, and Fl.’s fall from grace in the SEC, … Idk whats ailing him?
I do care a great deal about SCOTUS. I remember well the recent gay marriage decision and the richly deserved joy it brought to so many good people. If memory serves, it was a 5-4 decision, with four fifths of the majority appointed by Democratic presidents and all 4 dissenters appointed by Republican presidents.
The hypocrite pulled the lever for the HB only because of her Israeli fealty.
So you want another Zionist on the SC?Or more?The Garland story was he was very amenable to terror legislation and terror fears in taking away our freedom,just another small minded mole traitor on high.
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Agreed!!!!!!
Your view of me, while not wholly insignificant, is not going to disturb my sleep any more than my primary vote will.
I voted for HRC in the primary in large part because I thought she had a better chance than Sanders to defeat the Republican nominee. I think the Republican Party is a uniquely malevolent force in national and global affairs, and keeping its tentacles out of the White House is important to me. I also think it would be really cool to have a female president. (My daughters think so too — they were quite dismayed to learn there has never been one.) I had other reasons as well, but won’t bore you with them.
I apologize for Hillary winning Florida by 530,797 votes instead of 530,796 votes.
” I also think it would be really cool to have a female president. ”
I think that’s her entire platform.
It’s certainly been cool having a black man as president these past 8 years.
Hooray for Israel and all the folks who make it what it is today.
Will your sleep be disturbed at all when Hillary’s first bombs rain down on some brown children in the near future? Because, after all, your finger will be on that button right alongside Hillary’s. You can’t escape that. Voting for her makes you culpable for every act she commits, 100 percent. I hope that is worth it being “cool to have a female president”. Sweet dreams.
Your points are well taken, though I’ve little doubt Trump would be much worse in that respect and it’s not at all clear to me that Sanders would be substantially better. I accept my fair share of culpability in HRC’s actions as president should she reach that office.
“I voted for HRC in the primary in large part because I thought she had a better chance than Sanders to defeat the Republican nominee.”
All available evidence to the contrary be damned.
Exactly. Gator’s notion that the GOP is so “uniquely malevolent” is bullshit — the GOP sucks big time, but Clintonism is not sufficiently better to merit voting for it, certainly not when a viable alternative was to be had — all available evidence is that Bernie would have stomped Trump even more definitively.
The maddening — really, sickening — thing about someone like Gator is that he knows what Hillary Clinton is, because he’s been in Glenn’s circle for many years now, in the comments. Unlike many, he has no excuse.
I admire Glenn a great deal and agree with him about many things, but to the extent he or anyone believes HRC would not be substantially better than any Republican with any chance of getting that party’s nomination (and I don’t know whether GG believes that), I disagree vehemently.
I think reasonable minds may differ concerning whether Clinton or Sanders would be the stronger general election candidate. I made my own analysis of that question, and voted accordingly. (I think theoretical “head to head” polls conducted in springtime are far from conclusive evidence in that regard.)
That’s an obscene insult to me, and to all the women you’ve been commenting with these past many years. Why not Sarah fucking Palin, eh Gator? Did you think Maggie Thatcher was “kinda cool?”
Well that’s just touching, it really is. Well their little feminist hearts swell with pride when the Hillary slaughters all those brown men, women and children overseas?
I certainly meant no insult, Mona. I hope you know that. I am sure you know I don’t think it means one should support any female politician irrespective of her merit. (But it could be a tiebreaker, why not?)
As to the particular woman under discussion, you evidently view her as an evil sociopathic monster, and I, well, don’t.
I also think it would be really cool to have a female president. (My daughters think so too — they were quite dismayed to learn there has never been one.)
Equality, in this instance, is the bugbear of limited vision and/or imagination. I’m for equality as well, but HRC’s recent support of adding women to the draft – instead of doing away with a process that should no longer be needed with our *new, improved, all-volunteer military – gave me as much pause as the rest of her long, documented history on issues I consider important. Mostly because I couldn’t imagine any reason for her to do such a thing….unless she knew she’d need more American bodies for her planned wars than might choose to volunteer.
Sorry, gator. IMHO – and I’ve been working hard to keep it as humble as possible – the deaths of brown women and girls in other countries should matter at least as much as your daughters’ dreams. It’s a shame that your own imagination doesn’t extend beyond the boundaries of Florida on this matter. Women will eventually break this particular glass ceiling. In spite of what Hillary would have you believe, they’ve been heading political parties since 1872. It’s really not that onerous to wait a bit longer to get one we can be truly proud of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates
I left my thoughts on Clinton’s recent support of *equality in the draft unfinished. I hope that, should Clinton actually do as I and many suspect she will do with her newfound powers as CIC, your daughters never find themselves faced with a choice between serving their Equal CIC in a foreign war to open/consolidate/steal new markets/resources, or leave the country to avoid prison. Because I’m pretty sure Canada won’t be accepting them this time around.
p.s. I don’t want either my nieces or nephews on a draft list. I’m weird that way.
It took you long enough.
He’s a milquetoast Zionist whose imbibed the same fantastic story of Jewish victimization of the world’s most wealthy and powerful people.
You can’t get there from here.
Flournoy “said she would direct U.S. troops to push President Bashar al-Assad’s forces out of southern Syria and would send more American boots to fight the Islamic State in the region.”
That is gobbletygook and bureaucratese for giving a president one more attack on another foreign nation; or one more executive power to declare one more war and one more case of violation of the principle that only Congress has the power to declare war. Of course a president should be able to resist an actual attack on the country without waiting for Congress, but we have erased one more provision against an authoritarian act by the executive by Congressional impotence.
Clearly she wants to fight a two-front war in Syria. If they have the rope, let them use it. They will either hang Daesh or they will hang themselves.
I’m not willing to let her send a bunch of American kids into a war zone just so she can wave the imperialist flag around and feed her bloated war pig ego and deliver more arms deals to Wall Street-owned arms dealers like Lockheed, Northrup and Raytheon.
“Forward, she cried, from the rear, and the front rank died. . .”
And another thing! I’ve been following the US election, which in the weird American system, where all choices are reduced down to the binary conservative Clinton vs populist reality star Trump….
Trump is getting better. Trump is learning on the job, he’s made hilarious blunders, but he’s still the only likely alternative to Clinton.
Clinton is….Clinton. She’s a known quantity. She’s not getting any better. You either like her or you don’t.
So what is she going to do? She’s naturally going to try to prevent Trump from outflanking her, for example, on the warmonger front. Will she succeed? Probably.
But Trump is getting better at this electioneering thing. And by the end of the campaign, Either way, Clinton or Trump, the next US government will be elected on a mandate of more war.
Not really, considering he pretty much insisted that Obama is a muslim after the Orlando Shooting.
Hillary and Trump are both just a means to continue the Oligarchy that has been forced upon us in the US. A large majority of people are blind to it, either willingly or naively. Things won’t change under either of them in fact they will only continue to get worse. I fear WWIII is coming.
Growing up in a traditional environment, the role of the mother was emphasized quite a bit. It was oft-repeated that the mother represented love, generosity, selflessness, compassion, etc.
It was then extended to all women, and it was often suggested that there’d be peace on earth if the world were run by women.
It may sound sexist to some when examined from an angle, but this is what I heard quite a bit while growing up.
Hmmm…Margaret Thatcher faced a lot of sexism, even as she was PM. Her taking that office was progress. Her policies….not so much.
I’m happy that Clinton feels all women should pull together and work for the common cause of making her president of the US. I just think there are more worthy goals for the feminist movement to accomplish than padding Clinton’s CV.
Depends on the wimmin(s).
*in 08, I thought Obama was going to free the slaves and win the war on poverty (America’s longest war) in Appalachia … but nothing came of it.
Depends on the wimmin(s).
Indeed it does. And, if we have any say in the matter at all, then I’ll choose women like these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_of_Liberia_Mass_Action_for_Peace#Leaders
I hope she personally leads from the front the Battalion of Expendables former CIA Bin Laden section chief Michael Scheuer proposes here!
http://non-intervention.com/2242/u-s-vs-islamic-state-as-is-held-cities-fall-america-must-come-home-avoid-the-next-far-harder-war/
That headline gives me a sense of optimism. It cheers me that the Democrats are following the path I’ve expected them to take. It gives me confidence in the soundness of my worldview.
The only thing that could shatter my optimism that I will be able to continue to prognosticate is if Sanders’ delegates are able to influence the party platform. If the millions of Sanders supporters had a lasting impact on the policy of the next US government, I probably would go into a deep funk.
Mr. Greenwald
“…….The carnage in Syria is horrifying, but no rational person should think that U.S. military action will be designed to “help Syrians.”…..”
Certainly no more than the decision by Syria to initiate the civil war to crush dissent, or Putin’s decision to militarily intervene on behalf of the brutal dictator. The war in Syria is a civil conflict as well as a regional conflict – and any realistic solution must resolve the complex geopolitical problems of the conflict. Two weeks ago, Assad vowed to “…..”liberate” every inch of the country lost to rebel groups……” gutting the cease fire and any potential to resolve the conflict diplomatically (as little a potential as there might have been). As the war has turned in Assad’s favor, he has gained confidence that there is a military solution to the conflict. More Syrians will die, and more will become refugees because of that decision.
Last week, fifty-one US diplomats challenged the Obama administration’s mishandling of the conflict. Currently, there is no incentive for the Assad regime to seek a political solution since Russia and the US are bombing his enemies, and the Syrian regime is regaining territory. How can the Obama administration expect Assad to seek a diplomatic solution when the US is helping him win the war? The current US policy makes no sense. Allowing the Russians to bomb the Syrian rebel positions without a response is simply not a tenable position for a diplomatic solution. The Obama administration has made extremely poor and contradictory decisions in Syria since the beginning of the war, and this has only served to embolden the Syria and Russian regimes to continue to fight.
Additionally, there can be no diplomatic solution where Assad (the murderer) remains in power. That’s obvious. This has been the goal of the Gulf States and the US since the war was initiated by the Assad regime which militarily crushed ordinary Syrians protesting for political rights (Arab Spring). While the US and the Gulf states are more interested in toppling the Assad regime for geopolitical reasons, the level and scale of the murder of ordinary Syrians by the Assad regime makes a settlement where Assad remains in power extremely unlikely – and undesired. He is a war criminal.
Since you selectively pointed out that US military actions were not designed to help Syrians, can you now point out which military actions by which countries you believe are designed to help ordinary Syrians, Mr. Greenwald?
Oh please, craigsummer, how can you persist in this nonsense? You are a dedicated ISIS supporter based on some lunatic notion of the Iranian threat to Israel being the greater evil. This idiotic mentality is mirrored in the U.S. State Department. Watch their incredibly shady spokesperson trying to weasel out of answering a reporter’s question on Palymra:
“WOW: State Dept Rep – Syria’s army should not liberate Palmyra from ISIS?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxs7yog_CjM
Reporter: “Would you prefer that Palmyra stays in Daesh’s hand?”
State Department: “Um, Ah, Blah, blah, political process . . .”
Reporter: “You’re not answering my question.”
State Department: “I know, blah blah”
As far as brutal dictators being propped up by foreign regimes, you’ve got the Saudi Royal Prince having his arse kissed in Washington by all of Obama’s team, despite the fact that the Saudis behead political dissidents and are killing thousands in Yemen with US and UK-made cluster bombs; you’ve got the U.S. supporting the brutal Saudi-Bahraini crackdown on pro-democracy Arab Spring protesters in Bahrain; so if Assad must go, shouldn’t the various royal ruling families of the Gulf Arab states also be removed from power?
All told, the Syria regime change program initiated by Clinton & Obama with support from Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Qatar from 2011 onwards has been one of the most epic disasters of the 21st century – leading to the rise of ISIS as a global phenomenon stretching from the Philippines to Afghanistan to Iraq and Syria to Libya, pushing a huge flood of refugees into Europe – the people who support this are blowhards and idiots of the highest order.
Why do you find this so impossible to understand? Still worshipping at the idol of Donald Rumsfeld, Henry Kissinger and Condoleeza Rice? (Another memorable craigsummers one-liner: “Donald Rumsfeld is not an idiot.”)
You really sound like Hitler in his bunker, directing armies that no longer exist as the Russians and Americans close in from both sides. Time to get a new PR script, I think.
“…….Watch their incredibly shady spokesperson trying to weasel out of answering a reporter’s question on Palymra……”
The answer was really quite simple. Neither Assad or ISIS should rule Syrians. Seems fairly simple to me.
“…..so if Assad must go, shouldn’t the various royal ruling families of the Gulf Arab states also be removed from power?…..”
Classic whataboutery, but eventually, hopefully, they all will be replaced by more democratic systems of government. In fact, they all will be replaced. It is just a matter of time.
“……All told, the Syria regime change program initiated by Clinton & Obama with support from Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Qatar from 2011 onwards has been one of the most epic disasters of the 21st century – leading to the rise of ISIS as a global phenomenon stretching from the Philippines to Afghanistan to Iraq and Syria to Libya, pushing a huge flood of refugees into Europe – the people who support this are blowhards and idiots of the highest order……”
It was the Assad regime that brutally cracked down on protesters seeking a say in their government which led to the current civil and regional war conditions in Syria. It was simply a matter of offering the reforms he had promised when he assumed power from his father. Unfortunately, he chose the same strategy as his father who had cracked down on protesters killing 10,000-20,000 in 1982. It worked for Pop, just not for him. Again, this is how the war started (Amnesty International:
“……Background: When army tanks recently rolled into the city of Dera’a in southern Syria and began shelling residential areas, the human rights crisis in the country reached a new low. More than 400 people have died across Syria since protestors calling for political reform took to the streets in mid-March. Hundreds of people have been arbitrarily arrested and detained incommunicado, placing them at serious risk of torture and other ill-treatment. Torture of detainees has long been common and endemic in Syria…..Amnesty International has repeatedly urged the Syrian government to rein in the security forces……The Syrian authorities have failed to take these steps and intensified repression. Consequently, Amnesty International has called on the UN Security Council to refer Syria to the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, to impose an arms embargo and to freeze the assets abroad of the Syrian President and his senior associates…”
Amnesty International March 2013 Report:
“……While the vast majority of war crimes and other gross violations continue to be committed by government forces [Assad], our research also points to an escalation in abuses by armed opposition groups,” said Ann Harrison, Deputy Director of Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Program……”
Is there anything about the “vast majority” you don’t understand? Assad the murderer must go.
Thanks.
Sloppy thinking as usual, craigsummers.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/relativist-fallacy.html
In this case, I present the claim that the House of Assad is just as brutal a dictatorship as the House of Saud is; thus backing one dictatorship while opposing the other is nonsensical, if the brutality of the dictator is at issue (as you claim it is).
You reject this claim, and present a double standard for the Saudi dictatorship relative to the Syrian dictatorship, i.e. “it is just a matter of time.” You do not explain why “just a matter of time” is also the appropriate way to deal with Assad.
You are an sloppy thinker, craigsummers. And yes, Donald Rumsfeld is an idiot – as are you.
craigsummers
Why is it better for us to keep overthrowing secular leaders (Iraq, Libya, Egypt) and installing Fundamentalist Islamic ones. If Assad goes, Al Qaeda, who we have been secretly arming will take over just like in Libya. Assad gave up his WMD’s, so did Qaddafi, so why are they our enemies? It can’t be because of human rights violations. The United States kills & maims more than any one.
Additionally, there can be no diplomatic solution where Assad (the murderer) remains in power. That’s obvious.
Right. It is time to open the contest to the worst murderer who can prevail
More nonsense and distortion from the Grand Obfuscator. More whataboutary, diversion, distraction – the point here is simple, Ms. Clinton and her friends are war mongers that have found refuge under the banner of humanitarianism.
Assad is an elitist dictator, and he has waged war on a portion of his own population – that is true. He is a terrible human being. But, let us not forget how this terrible human being was being cuddled by the US so long as he was willing to go along and get along. When Bill Clinton met with Assad in 2000 and praised him, it was all good. After the 9/11 attacks, when Syria and US were great partners as Syria was willing to accept the victims of US Extraordinary Rendition for additional torture – it was all good. Things started to go sour when Asad refused to succumb to US demands about her relationship with Iran. US began to carry out paramilitary raids into Syrian to prepare grounds for the overthrow of Assad. This included the recruitment of jihadis to do the dirty work. I can go on and on.
Obfuscators and distortionists have a simple recipe – cherry pick the facts, fabricate a new narrative!
The Law of Unintended yet Inexorable Consequences, 101:-
Under the influence of his former PM Ahmet Davutoglu, whose doctoral dissertation years back had been grounded in the proto-Nazi Karl Haushofer’s doctrine of Lebensraum, Erdogan gladly embraced the fantasy of reviving the Ottoman empire and caliphate, with himself as Sultan and Caliph. Such a fantasy was by no means confined to simply building for himself, at vast public expense, a grandiose ‘White Palace’ in Ankara, whose interior decor aesthetic might justly be dubbed neo-Ottoman kitsch; it also extended to a predicted Turkish hegemony over modern Syria following Obama’s pledge to decapitate the state militarily were a particular ‘red line’ ever to be crossed — which the Erdogan government then sought to precipitate and ensure by facilitating if not actually instigating that notorious false flag chemical attack in Damascus in 2013.
After all, in terms of Erdogan’s ethnocentric mindset, there are still to this day a number of Turkoman people living scattered amidst any number of Kurds and Arabs in modern Syria, left behind as it were with the dissolution of the Ottoman empire a century ago; and these poor Sunni folk are properly deserving of the protection of the Turkish Republic, even were that to play out at the expense of all their Kurdish and Arabic neighbors in the region — among them any number of Yezidis, Shias, Christians, and Druze. Indeed, given Turkey’s modern-day track record, any such occupation of Syria would inevitably result in a de facto genocide of most if not all of its Kurdish inhabitants.
Davutoglu’s and Erdogan’s Ottoman-revivalist fantasies, however, were suddenly sabotaged by Russia’s unexpected arrival on the scene late last year; and even the ambush of one of its air-planes on the flimsiest of pretexts — viz., that the aircraft’s route flying westward in Syria just south of the Turkish border heralded a prospective Russian invasion of Anatolia — failed to prove the game-changer Erdogan so rashly predicted it would be when, thereupon, NATO promptly declined to race to poor Turkey’s aid. Thus, with deep reluctance, the Sultan would seem, of late, to have put his neo-Ottoman fantasies into hibernation, as powerfully suggested by his recent de facto dismissal and replacement of his PM, Davutoglu. But, guaranteed, a decapitation of the Syrian regime by the US [and probably some of its NATO allies, Turkey included] would positively rekindle and reignite them, overnight.
Here to set aside a direct collision between the US and Russia in Syria, such an immediate conflict of interest between Russia and Turkey would in any case precipitate a profound regional crisis. Turkey would right away wish to terminate Russia’s naval transit between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean by denying it passage through the Bosphorus and the Sea of Marmara, as guaranteed by treaty for some eighty years past; and likely, in that event, WW3 would soon erupt — at first in the environs of Istanbul; then, soon enough, all over the western world. (And if you doubt me, just go ask Tulsie Gabbard, who would seem suddenly to be specialist in much of this.)
#PsychopathHillary -/- #SociopathDonald -/- #MenschBernie [= ‘the only honest politician’ (Chomsky) & ‘the sanest man in America’ (Dick van Dyke)]
Cf. Tulsi Gabbard @ The People’s Summit, Chicago — therealnews.com (33:25-46:30)
most scorching thing I’ve read since the “it takes a Democrat” chapter in Thomas Franks’ book “Listen, Liberal”
Ms Flournoy has only a very nuanced difference of opinion with the current administration. The US wishes for neither ISIS nor Assad to prevail in Syria, so its current strategy is to arm ISIS (to make them more effective against Assad) while at the same time bombing them (to keep them in check). Ms. Flournoy is advocating sending them more arms, while simultaneously bombing them a little harder. This maintains roughly the same balance but gives the US a slightly more active, aggressive role. I’m sympathetic to her suggestion, since it is important not only for the US to be playing a positive role in world affairs, but it is even more important to be seen as playing a role. A lot of people are developing an impression that Russia has a more visible role in Syria than the US. This may or may not be true, but it creates bad optics.
Of course the suggestion by Mr. Greenwald that purchasing more bombs and sending more weapons to Syria is fiscally irresponsible is a spurious one. Keeping up appearances is a vital national interest, even it you have to spend your seed money to do so. I have more sympathy with the DNC proposal to save money by eliminating the primaries. In fact, even more money could be saved by eliminating elections. You don’t even have to eliminate all elections. Something like 90% of incumbent representatives are re-elected. So nothing would really change if incumbents were automatically re-confirmed in office until such time as they died or abdicated. Then you could then hold an election (not by popular vote, which is too time consuming, but by a vote in the Senate and the House) to determine a successor. This works very well for the Papacy, and there is no reason it couldn’t work in the US as well.
I strongly disagree. When they die, remove their seat. Each seat take money to repair and reupholster. And removing the seats as they die would make more floor space for lobbyists.
I’m quite open to new ideas.
Another possibility is to auction off the seats to the lobbyists. This would raise money and eliminate the middleman. I’m not sure the US is ready for this form of direct democracy, but you never know till you try.
Perhaps the seats could simply be delivered to the lobbyists, who already have nice offices which the seats would complement quite nicely.
Hi Glenn! This is Hillary!
You will deserve having to live with everything you just criticized if you continue to refuse to publicize exit poll discrepancies and this extremely serious Princeton study about voting machines: https://citp.princeton.edu/research/voting/
Are you being extorted? Or are you just an total scumbag?
more progress. anything rumsfeld could do she can do better
Seriously, thank goodness that Putin is not infected with the same vainglorious and murderous and ultimately self-destructive madness that has taken hold of our politicians.
Here’s an interview with Putin worth reading – he comes across as more rational and balanced than any leading US politician, with the exception of Tusli Gabbard:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/putin-publish-a-world-map-and-mark-al-the-u-s-military-bases-on-it-you-will-see-the-difference-between-russia-and-the-us/206343/
On the world refugee crisis:
On the Ukraine civil war:
On US foreign policy:
Now, if Hillary Clinton wants to continue this, with Flournoy, that means expanding military spending – more money for NATO, more money for military intervention in the Middle East, Africa, and Central Asia, increased billions for Israel, an expanded military presence in the Pacific to ‘counter China’, continuation of the $1 trillion nuclear weapons program, etc. – it’s just a replay of the Condoleeza Rice / Donald Rumsfeld neocon ambitions, or an expansion of the Nixon-Kissinger mentality.
That in turn means no domestic infrastructure program, no increase in public education, a continuation of student loan debt games, no expanded public healthcare – a steady drain on the American taxpayer to fund the reckless imperial project that Clinton is so dedicated to. What she really looks like is a hybrid of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, and if (s)elected, she will almost certainly do as much damage as those two did, combined.
Cf. Tulsi Gabbard @ The People’s Summit, Chicago (06/20/16) —
therealnews.com (33.25 > 46:30)
Unless she’s indicted — most unlikely — Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president. What are we going to do? By “we” I mean, political people who find her repugnant and dangerous for sane reasons (as opposes to the wingnuts’ lunacy about her).
We are in for more war, more civil liberties encroachments, a love-fest with Netanyahu, and a “liberal” media that will tell us 24/7 how great this all is.
The thought of eight years of this is intolerable. Again, what are we going to do?
Take heart, Mona. Recent polling shows Trump within striking distance nationally, and in a dead heat with Clinton in key swing states. There’s still hope!
Besides, if I survived 8 years of Bush Jr., you can get through 8 years of HRC. You’ll just hate your country a little bit more, like I do.
I believe HRC will have the distinction of increasing the use of militarized police against the US populace to unimagined levels.
Indeed, Gator90, having survived 8 years of GWB followed by 8 years of BHO should convince anyone that we can survive 8 years of either of the Party’s candidates. We humans are amazingly resilient: Germany survived Hitler, and Russia survived Stalin.
Given that resiliency, there is no reason whatsoever why progressives should not vote for Jill Stein in this election. Should that deprive Hillary of the presidency, so what? Similarly, if conservatives voted for the Libertarian candidate, thereby depriving Trump of the presidency, so what? In the event that both the Green and Libertarian candidates garnered a significant portion of the vote, it might cause the republicans and democrats to rethink their processes and positions. Unlikely, I admit, but worth trying.
I am voting for Jill Stein, just like in 2012.
Issue #1 should be rolling back the executive privileges that the Bush-Cheney team expanded (based on the legal advice of those cretins, John Yoo & David Addington) and that the Obama-Clinton team perpetuated. It is unconstitutional and a real threat to the basic separation of powers concept that prevents any authoritarian governmental system from taking over.
This requires lobbying Congress to exert itself to oppose the administration’s foreign policy, as well as using the court system to challenge executive decisions about domestic policy. This will require the backing of a populist movement, however, that is willing to actively oppose whatever president is (s)elected in November, regardless of which party they belong to.
This is unfortunately where Bernie Sander’s “political revolution” has fumbled, in not making foreign policy a major issue – indeed, Bernie Sanders even supported the extrajudicial assassination program of drone strikes, which Clinton is an ardent advocate of. Epic fail. (His other major blunder was responding to Black Lives Matter with his dumb “all lives matter” riposte, which alienated so many minority voters.) This failure is really kind of stunning, since Bernie Sanders would be unable to pay for his proposed domestic policies without major cuts to the U.S. foreign military expenditures.
If Bernie Sanders is going to go to the convention, he has to make foreign policy a major issue – and so far, he hasn’t. This is a huge problem for the whole ‘political revolution’ he says he champions.
Sanders did not respond to BLM by saying “all lives matter”, Martian O’Malleable did.
Apology accepted in advance.
No he said that early on in a speech. He quickly changed to a more inclusive strategy, but much of the damage had already been done. It was an early blunder, but that’s politics for you.
To paraphrase George Orwell in Animal Farm,
“All lives matter, but some lives matter more than others”
Convince supposedly respectable journalists like Greenwald to mention the election fraud susceptibilities in voting machines that WH Tech advisor Ed Felten and cyber-security expert Stephen Spoonamore have tried in vain to publicize?
@Mona “Again, what are we going to do?”
Again, some have a reasonably good idea about what you will do: continue the arduous task of shilling for murderers.
Others might consider something else. But because I’m too lazy to copy/paste the whole thing, and want to spare other lazy people the trouble of reading the whole thing, I’ll just re-post a few of last night’s suggestions below, even though they should be dismissed as a non-starter because none of the bullet points contain that certain quality of patriotic blood-lust discerning American Voters require. It’s also not hacked out in Power Point, passing on the opportunity to leverage my core envisionment competencies to their maximal potentials and shit.
Anyway…
Instead of voting for the candidates representing these existing compromised structures, skip this election and gather in small, then increasingly larger gropus to work out platforms of their own in preparation for the next national election. A few of the issues to consider, discuss, and propose solutions for are suggested below.
* Ending the wildly provocative posturing towards Russia. Dismantling and vacating NATO bases in former Warsaw Pact Countries. Making good on promises made not to encroach. (And don’t move NATO into Kiev, the birthplace of Rus culture. This could go next to the ‘don’t be insane’ bullet point.)
* Ditching expensive plans to upgrade the US’ nuclear arsenal. Alternatively, spending money to reduce the chance existing weapons malfunction, and working out new arsenal securing and reduction treaties instead of violating old ones.
* Stop assuming the US can win an offensive nuclear war with mini-nukes.
* Negotiation of political settlements where possible and with Russia at the table, in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Libya. (Apologies to some of the US bombing targets I have neglected to mention.)
* Termination of the arms to Al Qaeda program(s)
* Termination of the arms to ISIS program(s)
* Cooperation with Russia in military and diplomatic areas with regards to Al Qaeda and ISIS.
* Overhauling of Iran / Saudi / US / Israeli relations, plus payment of reparations to a new Palestinian State (in various ways).
* Gradual repatriation of the US’s manufacturing base. And even though robots do so much of the work now, robots have to be built and maintained too. Why not build them in the USA?
* Reinstatement of the Glass-Stegall Act
* Charging and prosecuting those found guilty of torture. (They do exist.)
* Charging and prosecuting those found guilty of serious financial fraud. (They do exist.)
* Stop behaving so provocatively towards China. Picking fights with both Russia and China while losing multiple, simultaneous wars in smaller, non-nuclear armed countries is not rational.
* Stop behaving so provocatively towards Iran. There have been fits and starts in this direction. Keep moving in that direction.
* Dismantle the criminal Stasi and reserve surveillance / trade-craft for defense, not offense. Don’t lie all the time to everyone. Don’t spy on everyone all the time.
* Focusing on defense, not offense (for purely practical, Machiavellian reasons if that is your preference, simply because it didn’t work).
* Spending money saved from not blowing up other countries on crash programs to mitigate the climate changes. Surely, someone could make some dosh finding a way to save London, Shanghai, San Franciso, LA, NYC, and Rio from drowning in salt water, even if they fail. Indeed, there was money to be made from invading Iraq but that went under the category of not even trying.
* Demilitarization of civilian police departments. Enforce existing civil rights laws.
* Enforce existing voting rights laws, except where Jim Crow has slithered back. (Repealing Jim Crow voting laws in places like Florida would be reasonable.)
* Changing the existing attitude that conflates money with speech, and the idea that a corporation has more civil rights than a human citizen.
* Making some effort to at least pay lip service to the concept of equal application of the law.
* Defining and enforcing a sensible, progressive tax code. (During WWI and WWII, the top marginal rates were in 88% – 90% range and stayed up there through the Eisenhower admin, when the currently rotting public education and transportation systems were built. I think Mr. and Ms. Sachs deserve and can afford a light soaking.)
* In general, don’t be so self destructive and insane.
Mona, please allow me to spare you the trouble of responding to me.
— “You’re sick.”
— “Get. Help.”
— “Have a tragic life… and have it end tragically.”
— “Again, what are we going to do?”
In all likelihood, you are mentally ill, beset with severe psychotic delusions. (Among them your bizarre and false accusation that I have openly and ardently wished for your death. But that’s one of your milder unhinged claims.)
You are one of these deeply deranged unfortunates. Nothing you say to or about me, or anything you rant about regarding your purported torture & etc., should be taken seriously by stable people. I recommend that anyone who thinks I’m waxing hyperbolic and merely spitting out insults, follow the link.
The link you included is for RationalWiki? That is like taking the propaganda disseminated by AIPAC at face value. RationalWiki is very pro-Zionist and it was blatantly obvious during their initial launch. Unfortunately it isn’t a news website so there is no record of previous clearly biased publications and positions. Instead there is perpetual molding and adapting of claims and positions to create a pseudo-fact flux to maximize their message. No conspiracy theory is valid especially those involving Zionism is the ultimate theme. Its main appeal comes from disproving obvious conspiracy theories like Aliens, fake moon landings, ect. When it comes to plans for a greater Israel in the Middle East, despite the overwhelming evidence, its give the same treatment as the likes reptilian ruling people. Yet I have to give RationalWiki credit for being stellar at marketing and hasbara. Does anyone have the names of the people who set up the RationalWiki’s parent corporation in New Mexico?
Mona did pitch for funding when she announced, in comments, her participation in rational propaganda.
Mona practices hasbara without a license :(
Aaaaand: Mona is a government troll- a likely paid agent of the state. One of these scumbags http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/01/cia-trolls-infect-the-net/
“Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president”
Do you even realize how arrogant you sound making such absolutist statements like this about the future? You just dismissed millions of American voters as though they were dust on your shoes to be wiped away without a second thought.
Amazing
Mona,
This is what we’re going to do. We are going to elect Donald Trump instead!
MAGA
TRUMP2016