On Monday night, Slate’s Franklin Foer published a story that’s been circulating through the dark web and various newsrooms since summertime, an enormous, eyebrow-raising claim that Donald Trump uses a secret server to communicate with Russia. That claim resulted in an explosive night of Twitter confusion and misinformation.
The gist of the Slate article is dramatic — incredible, even: Cybersecurity researchers found that the Trump Organization used a secret box configured to communicate exclusively with Alfa Bank, Russia’s largest privately-held commercial bank. This is a story that any reporter in our election cycle would drool over, and drool Foer did:
The researchers quickly dismissed their initial fear that the logs represented a malware attack. The communication wasn’t the work of bots. The irregular pattern of server look-ups actually resembled the pattern of human conversation — conversations that began during office hours in New York and continued during office hours in Moscow. It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.
These claims are based entirely on “DNS logs,” digital records of when one server looks up how to contact another across the internet. The logs, first gathered by an anonymous researcher going by the moniker “Tea Leaves” (an irony that should be lost on no one) and shared with a small group of academics, were provided to The Intercept and a handful of other news organizations. The New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters, the Daily Beast, and Vice all examined these materials to at least some extent and did not publish the claims.
You can think of DNS like a phone book that maps people’s names to their phone numbers. For example, every time Alice wants to call Bob, she first looks up Bob’s phone number in the phone book, and then she dials the number into her phone. However, it’s possible that Alice might look up Bob’s phone number and not call him on the phone. It’s even possible that she might look up Bob’s phone number over and over on a regular basis, over the course of months, without actually calling him. The DNS look-ups that The Intercept and others (including Slate) reviewed are similar to records of Alice looking up Bob’s phone number in the phone book, but to call that evidence of sinister collusion between the two is, politely, a stretch. These DNS records alone simply cannot prove that any specific messages were sent at those times. In fact, they can’t really prove anything at all, and certainly not “communication” between Trump and Alfa. This cannot be overstated: No one, not Tea Leaves, not his academic peers, and not Franklin Foer, can show that a single message was exchanged between Trump and Alfa.
Putting aside how little there actually is to read in these tea leaves, the information we reviewed was filled with inconsistencies and vagaries. The Intercept (and other outlets) were presented with three documents: an academia-style white paper about the server, an analysis of that white paper, and a sprawling dossier on Alfa Bank. The author of the analysis paper refused to comment on the record or allow his name to be published. Both Tea Leaves and the analysis author said they did not know who wrote the other documents, and would not say how they obtained them. Professor L. Jean Camp, an esteemed computer scientist quoted at length in the Slate piece and also interviewed by The Intercept, said she knew the author of the Alfa Bank document — compiled with the exhaustive detail of a political oppo team, not a university researcher — but would not reveal who it was. Tea Leaves himself told The Intercept that he had to keep his identity and methods secret because “I run a cybersecurity company and I do not want DDOS and never have we been DDOS, nor do I want other attention.”
Looking at the documents themselves provided further oddities and errors. The white paper contends the following:
The Spectrum Health IP address is a TOR exit node used exclusively by Alfa Bank, i.e., Alfa Bank communications enter a Tor node somewhere in the world and those communications exit, presumably untraceable, at Spectrum Health. There is absolutely no reason why Spectrum would want a Tor exit node on its system.
This is simply untrue and easy to disprove using publicly available information: The Intercept confirmed that the IP address in question, and all other IP addresses on Spectrum Health’s network, did not host a Tor node during the time period.
On Tea Leaves’ WordPress site, he claimed that “only two networks resolved the mail1.trump-email.com host.” This is contradicted by the very works of analysis furnished by Tea Leaves’ collaborators: The author of the white paper found that at least 19 IP addresses, all belonging to different networks except for the two that belong to Alfa Bank, had looked up Trump’s server. And these are only the 19 the author was able to observe in a short time period — it can’t be ruled out that there were many more, which quickly deflates the portrait of a shady Russian backchannel.
The white paper included DNS look-up data, but not nearly enough to reproduce the results. Rather than the 19 IP addresses we expected to see, the data only included three, and the DNS look-ups were not for the same time period that the paper described. Tea Leaves published a different set of data on the dark web, which we also looked at, but this set of data only included a total of four IP addresses. When we pressed Tea Leaves for the complete set of data so we could attempt to reproduce the analysis, he gave us a new, more comprehensive set of data, but still that included a total of only eight IP addresses, and it was missing an IP address belonging to a VPN service in Utah that accounted for a significant portion of the DNS look-ups described in the paper.
What percentage of DNS look-ups for Trump’s email server could Tea Leaves and his colleagues observe, out of all DNS look-ups for that server on the whole internet? How can they be sure that the majority of DNS look-ups for Trump’s email server originated from Alfa Bank, when much of the data they collected didn’t even include DNS look-ups from IPs described in their own paper? What’s their margin of error? None of the analysis that we (and other journalists) obtained answered these questions.
Although the Slate article mentions Occam’s Razor, Foer never actually takes seriously the simplest plausible explanation for all of this: The Trump Organization owns a bunch of expensive, obnoxious spam servers that churn out marketing emails for its expensive, obnoxious hotels. Spectrum Health, an entity in this story whose presence never made any sense, provided the following statement:
Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels.
Spectrum also provided us with something not even Tea Leaves could: a copy of an email sent from the mail1.trump-email.com server. Did it contain a Cyrillic cipher? Not quite:
Spectrum was kind enough to include the email’s header data, which shows its origin:
Alfa Bank provided the same:
Now, these emails are from outside the time period observed by Tea Leaves et al. and only represents one data point. On the other hand, we now have one checkmark in the “this is just some dumb spam server” column, and zero in the “this is a hotline to Putin’s bedroom” column. Mandiant, a cybersecurity firm Alfa Bank hired to investigate the DNS logs once reporters came knocking, provided another deeply plausible explanation: All of the look-ups were the result of Alfa’s mail servers trying to figure out who was spamming them so much.
The information presented is inconclusive and is not evidence of substantive contact or a direct email or financial link between Alfa Bank and the Trump Campaign or Organization. The list presented does not contain enough information to show that there has been any actual activity opposed to simple DNS look-ups which can come from a variety of sources including anti-spam and other security software.
Security researcher Rob Graham points out that it’s a stretch to even claim that this server is truly “Trump’s”:
The evidence available on the internet is that Trump neither (directly) controls the domain “trump-email.com,” nor has access to the server. Instead, the domain was setup and controlled by Cendyn, a company that does marketing/promotions for hotels, including many of Trump’s hotels. Cendyn outsources the email portions of its campaigns to a company called Listrak, which actually owns/operates the physical server in a data center in Philadelphia. …
… When you view this “secret” server in context, surrounded by the other email servers operated by Listrak on behalf of Cendyn, it becomes more obvious what’s going on. In the same internet address range of Trump’s servers you see a bunch of similar servers, many named [client]-email.com. In other words, trump-email.com is not intended as a normal email server you and I are familiar with, but as a server used for marketing/promotional campaigns.
Paul Vixie, quoted throughout the Slate story, is a legendary figure in the history of the internet whose expertise is near unparalleled when it comes to DNS. But even Vixie conceded to The Intercept that Tea Leaves’ evidence was conclusive of nothing: “It’s a perfect he-said, she-said situation. … Mandiant is guessing no. I am guessing yes. Neither of us has direct evidence.”
There are other, non-technical issues with the Foer piece. For one, the political connections between Trump and Alfa Bank are presented to the reader by highlighting the relationship between Trump and Richard Burt, a consultant who drafted a Trump campaign speech. Burt, Foer charges, “serves on Alfa’s senior advisory board.” Burt has indeed worked for years as an adviser to Alfa Bank and its founder, Mikhail Fridman. But he no longer serves on the board of Alfa Capital Partners, the Moscow-based fund associated with Alfa Bank. That company closed shop over a year ago. Foer made the same allegation in another piece published by Slate in July.
Could it be that Donald Trump used one of his shoddy empire’s spam marketing machines, one with his last name built right into the domain name, to secretly collaborate with a Moscow bank? Sure. At this moment, there’s literally no way to disprove that. But there’s also literally no way to prove it, and such a grand claim carries a high burden of proof.
Without more evidence it would be safer (and saner) to assume that this is exactly what it looks like: A company that Trump has used since 2007 to outsource his hotel spam is doing exactly that. Otherwise, we’re all making the exact same speculation about the unknown that’s caused untold millions of voters to believe Hillary’s deleted emails might have contained Benghazi cover-up PDFs.
Given equal evidence for both, go with the less wacky story.
Top photo: The logo of Alfa Bank is visible on a building in Minsk, Belarus, on June 19, 2016.
Update: November 1, 2016 This article has been updated to clarify Alfa Bank’s status as the largest private commercial bank.
Has everyone gone nuts. Of course he did it. Nothing in Trump’s history suggests he wouldn’t. Remember how he broke the law in Cuba, with his Charity, with discriminating against blacks by keeping them from renting his apartments, cheating his employees,contractors and sub-contractors of monies owed, using his charity as a personal tax free bank account, paying bribes from his tax free charity to Florida’s Attorney General in exchange for her not pursuing Trump University fraud claims, etc..
So why, would anyone, have a problem believing that he communicated with Russian Alfa Bank?
It is not a coincidence that when Alfa Bank found out that their secret communication with the Trump campaign had been discovered, suddenly Trump’s server is shut down.
Why didn’t the FBI take the server and look at the emails? Why isn’t the GOA demanding an investigation?
Has our government gotten so corrupt that no one is willing to stop or do anything about a foreign entity interfering with our national election?
Are they willing to allow Russia to pick our Presidents for this day forward?
What has happened to our country?
We now have fascists getting ready to move into the White House and we are being told that we are supposed to give them a chance! Hell NO!
This usurper and Putin’s puppet needs to be shown the door and told to stay out. The electorate that is getting ready to give them his votes and make it official need to stand up for what is right and say NO, we will not do it. Legally, they can submit their electoral votes to Hillary, who won the popular votes. They are the only ones who have the power to save us and this country from this mad man and con man and disgusting Traitor. Sadly, I see the establishment move towards a smooth transition, rather than stand up for Democracy against someone who went beyond all norms and legal standards to win an election. I see the beginning of the end of our democracy and nation.
Given the cast of characters Trump has surrounded himself with and who he will have with him at the White House, is anybody really surprised that he would not be secretly communicating with Russian interests? Is there anything in his history or background that tells you he would act honorably and be concerned with breaking the law? Remember what he did in Cuba? Give me a break.
He did it and when the bank found out that their secret was no longer a secret, somehow Trump also got wind of it and shut down the server.
Why isn’t the Republican Party demanding he produce the server and the emails or demanding he preserve them? Why hasn’t the FBI done that? Isn’t that the only way to make sure? Has our system gotten so corrupt that we are willing to let Russia pick our President? WTF!
OT: I’ve actually wondered recently if Samsung manufactured products are being “stuxnetted.” I mean, it’s occurred many times the last few years how exactly such commercial sabotage might eventually be out of the bag – because of empire’s first strike on another country’s nuclear infrastructure. Every new war gets uglier than planned.
occurred “to me” many times…
Russians are not only spying, they pulling millions from our economy by infecting thousands of our computers with viruses like ransomware, like this Thor virus described here – http://myspybot.com/thor-virus-files/ This type of viruses are very popular among Russian hackers. Not only individuals but businesses suffer a lot from ransomware. Even hospitals risk patients’ lives because of these viruses http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35880610 Trump does not care about National Security by having connections with Russians
Your explanation is not an example of Occam’s Razor; it is an example of Occam’s flesh-tone makeup he uses to cover up his ugly lip hairs.
Sorry for the harsh.
Here’s Occam: Money, honey. Bitcoin protocol fits neatly into overhead. Check Bitcoin activity compare w ping log.
Fuck J Assange.
This is politics: everyone lies. But those in the establishment like Clinton have more resources than others to be able to promote those lies, whereas Trump’s lies are just laughed off by anyone with a brain and any sense. In order to be informed you have to make an effort to ferret out the truth. Lying in the U.S. is, unfortunately, constitutionally protected free speech (though you can be liable for defamation if you cause economic harm to someone by lying).
It doesn’t have to be such a straight line. And because Assange, probably deranged at this point, needs to blame HRC for his woes, he could have allied with Putin. How would we know? Assange, by electing Trump (as I think will happen) has alienated those of us who supported him. At this point, I don’t care. Supermax? Fine.
You’re not only a moron, you’re a lying sack of shit.
You never supported Assange or WikiLeaks.
And if he did, he’s clearly unprincipled.
Yeah. The “I used to support Assange” lie is a standard trope from Revise the Record and assorted other Hillary hacks. Our own “Jimmy” and “Karen” tell the same story.
Lester Smithson. At this point, I don’t care. Braindamage? Obvious.
hold onto that
when the time comes for Americans to know who their real enemies are, repeat what you said.
Supermax? A brutal, isolation chamber for ever and clearly unconstitutional? I thought Hillary supporters were for ending the incarceration state? Oh, wait, they are not. Just another lie brought to you by faux ‘progressives.’
You actually should call them “neoliberals”.
https://www.change.org/p/hillary-clinton-petition-hillary-clinton-to-step-down-and-bernie-sanders-to-take-over-as-the-dem-candidate?recruiter=581244674&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-no_src-reason_msg
The time is NOW. Please sign this & share it. She is bringing down what little integrity the Democratic Party had.
Let’s call it Occam’s Cleaver.
Of two competing versions of reality and the impossibility of knowing which is true, Sweeney Todd should receive the benefit of any doubt.
After all, since not everyone is a cannibal, cannibals can’t exist. Besides, the barber makes a a strangely delicious meat pie.
Very astute.
The crazy guy can’t be THAT crazy, can he?
Milt … I don’t know which is worse, syphilis or gonorrhea, but I would wear some protection before you pull the levers for either of those two political malefactor honey pots.
Also, I don’t like the sound of this Occam’s Cleaver!
*and way, way down we go … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ5SI6n1Ljs
I have already voted for HRC. Gladly too, considering the ONLY alternative.
So far, no burning, no blisters.
Depending on which one you voted for, it’s likely still too soon to tell:
Incubation period:
* Gonorrhea: 2 – 6 Days
* Syphilis: 3 – 6 Weeks
Seriously though, thanks for voting. ;)
..that great black pit stinks..it’s oh yes …the DNC & Hillary’s campaign. Add Trump and it’s the bog of eternal stench…burp…
Trump and the Republicans rely upon this sort of false equivalence.
I’m always astonished when people cannot distinguish the disease from the symptom.
Trump and the Republicans aren’t the cure. They are the disease.
HRC isn’t the disease; she’s the body politic’s attempt to respond to the disease.
Guys I think there are more important issues out there that need reporting. This is just smoke.
Dear TI folks – especially TI staff –
I hate to always point out problems, but the site right now is really bad – for me anyway. I TRIED to read Mackey’s latest about the graffiti on the burning Church, but could not. Just kept getting – problem with a long-running script.
And I still CANNOT access the menu – I try clicking on it and NOTHING happens.
Will someone PLEASE fix the site?
All of Mackey’s anti-Trump rhetoric is scripted by the DNC. The fact that he has cut off reader feedback speaks to the degree to which even he does not believe that which he parrots. But what the heck, that good ol’ Omidyar green just keeps rollin’ in. Apparently, Mackey has confused “political parroty” for “political parody” – money can do that to a weak mind.
Robert Mackey aka the “Green Parrot”. Yup, has a very nice ring to it.
” I TRIED to read Mackey’s latest about the graffiti on the burning Church, but could not. …
Will someone PLEASE fix the site?”
You can fix that one yourself by never clicking on a Mackey tweet-fest. It’s so easy to scroll right past that clown.
@Kar, @nuf said –
Oh gee, I post about trouble USING the site and you two respond with rants against Mackey?
Yes, I wanted to read that particular article, and had to go elsewhere to read about the event, as this site wasn’t working properly.
Whether I choose to read Mackey or not, the site should work properly. I guess you two don’t have problems, but recently I’ve had problems just reading the articles sometimes and posting – off and on. And as I indicated I still have not been able to get the menu to work for some time now. isn’t part of running a site such as this making sure it’s fairly user friendly?
I’m not in a position to help you. Complaining about NOT being able to read Steno Bob is kinda novel.
arent you the fortunate one.
maybe it’s a blessing in disguise.
The part that depresses me is that Assange is going to end up in solitary in a supermax. He can’t hold out forever.
lolwhat
I am personally hoping for him to walk out free, which can happen if certain things happen:
-The UN takes their role seriously and sanctions UK/Sweden.
-UKIP or Old Labour win the (now likely) new election.
-Sweden drops charges (they did it before!)
-The US abandons an extradition request.
INCONSISTENCIES.
1. This article mentions Spectrum Health, and only in the most positive light. It indicates that Spectrum Health acted “kindly” to them. That makes Spectrum Health sound like a great corporation! Why would they be entangled in financing Republican shenan
igans? After all, they are a kindly corporation.
Well, Spectrum Health is a privately-owned company that was founded by the Devos family. The Devos family of Spectrum Health fame also founded Amway / Alticor, the latter operating in Russia. That entity has had transactions with Alfa Bank.
Significantly, the Devos family, including Richard and Betsy, have made enormous donations to Republican campaigns and PACs, some of which we know about, and some of which can be found here (type in the name Richard or Betsy Devos):
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml
Be sure to hit “continue” at the bottom of the page because there are many pages of donations. For example, in January 2016, Richard Devos donated $250,000.00 to Conservative Solutions PAC.
If you check out the FEC page for Conservative Solutions PAC, you see that they have supported Donald Trump. Here’s the link:
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/com_supopp/C00541292/
In April 2016, Richard Devos gave $250,000 to Trusted Leadership PAC. That was about the time that the PAC switched its support to Donald Trump. You can see that on this FEC page:
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/com_supopp/C00609511/
So, a tie-in between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank and Trump starts to make a little more sense. Especially when you have designed a system that will accept messages only from them (and a few others).
2. The “short time” mentioned in the above article. The four authors of this piece do not indicate what kind of short time was involved in the 19 lookups (presumably only 17 lookups since 2 were by Alfa Bank). Why? That’s the most important aspect of their defense of Trump. If a “short time” is five minutes, that’s one thing. If it is three days or three months, that’s another. This goes to their “mass-emailer” theory.
3. Headers. Surely, with four journalists working on this they could have gotten headers from emails from tons of companies if those other companies had received email with a header that included “mail1.trump-email.com.” Their theory is that this was a bulk mass-mailer. There should be evidence of this, right?
Instead, all they provide is one header from Spectrum Health (a company owned by teabaggers who have given millions of dollars to SuperPACs and teabagger politicians), and they even failed to show a similar header from Alfa Bank. Why?
It’s no wonder the “Tea Leaves” wants to remain anonymous. Who would hire him for “cybersecurity” after finding out how incompetent he/she is.
WSJ:
Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe
Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation
Now, this is coming from FOX, so a mountain of salt is in order: FBI Sources Believe Clinton Foundation Case Moving Towards “Likely an Indictment”
This is Fox, but on the other hand, at this point I trust them more than I do Maddow. Of course, that’s not saying much.
God help us. Oh, wait. She’s out of town.
I’m inclined to believe this. As I read message after message relating to the foundation, I thought they just screamed pay to play — the kind of pay to play that would surely be seen as felonious if any of us were engage in it.
If the Clintons’ non-stick coating has worn off. . .
Let’s see if the establishment media finally turns on her. (I’m thinking NYT and WaPo and of course MSDNC and the nets.) The idiot big city rags endorsed her while they had to know the shit was coming down.
If she gets indicted after she’s elected, we’re in a Constitutional crisis.
And from the Wikileaks revelations, seems there was collusion between the DOJ and her campaign. Lotta corruption all around.
nah. The wallstreet whore media cant make that sort of decision against the wishes of their masters. Barack who-sane? Obama has his pre-emptive pardon ready to go. Once the criminal enterprise is in power, Hellary will implement her DRAFT WOMEN policy for her war against Russia.
I also guess that some military generals are prepared to remove her should she try one of her insane acts.
But even if there’s tons of there there, do you really see Loretta Lynch letting an indictment happen? One that involves Bill or Hillary?
If you asked that question 90 days ago (or maybe 60 or 30), the answer would have been an unequivocal “No.” But things are changing rapidly.
One of those things is that there is a large bunch of senior fibbies (Kiss My Ass guys, ready to retire and effectively bullet-proof) who have had it with what they have long seen as DOJ interference with Clinton investigations, especially the one targeting the foundation. If Lynch kills or blocks an indictment that they believe would otherwise properly issue, I think at least some of them are prepared for the nuclear option.
Well, either way, it ain’t gonna happen by next Tuesday. She’ll win, but maybe we can have a Prez Kaine instead of her, if you’re right.
Yeah, she’s gonna win. At least she’s gonna win in the EC. It is, however, looking increasingly possible that she could lose the popular vote.
And you know what’s going to happen in the House, if she gets to 1/20 and is sworn in. We haven’t seen dysfunctional government like we’re about to see.
The Hill is reporting the Fox stuff.
Mackey hardest hit, heh.
May I facilitate the Sympathy Cards for Bob effort, please?
Also, honestly, I have a stye or something developing in one eye and I read that last line as “Loretta corruption. . .”
What would Sigmund say? ;^)
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar? But let’s not bring an earlier Clinton scandal into this.
Very good. ;^)
I certainly would not miss him. He’s my second-least favorite reporter appearing here, with the only worse one being Masha Gessen.
“I certainly would not miss him. He’s my second-least favorite reporter appearing here, with the only worse one being Masha Gessen.”
Either your memory is going or you are way too forgiving of Mr White Helmets Murtaza.
I ran across this link on Twitter earlier today. Michael Tracey (“Roving journalist, VICE columnist, friend to all dogs,” per his profile) had much the same questions as has been shared here re: FOX being the source.
He give us his rationale, which I pretty much agree with:
“Why is this report potentially credible? Because all the most accurate FBI/Clinton leaks have been to right-wing outlets: Daily Caller, FOX”
Is there a enough straw in the world to break this camel’s back?
An indictment will happen soon? Hardly. First, the FBI has to conduct an investigation and evaluate the evidence (at least several weeks, probably several months), then they would have to present to the Justice Dept. the evidence that they think justifies prosecution of Clinton. The Justice Dept. would have to evaluate this evidence (which is under firm control by Obama) and this would take weeks or months to complete. Then an unbiased Grand Jury would have to be assembled and a prosecutor from the Justice Dept. would have to convince the jury to render an indictment. This would take several more weeks or months. So there is no chance that an indictment of Clinton is imminent. Fox is attempting to manipulate the outcome of the election by providing misinformation.
She will be IMPEACHED first. That ends her criminal career.
Great investigative report reporting- thank you! Meanwhile, reiterated: “Clinton sold 1/5 US uranium to Russia.” – Keep it coming, Wikileaks!
The spreading of Russian Conspiracy Theories is desperate as 24b4Jeff states below; additionally it’s irresponsible because it cries wolf.
And there are a shit load of assholes on LinkedIn vilifying Trump supporters or anti Hillary commenters. These assholes have apparently fake backgrounds in sigint humint and any other high speed low drag bad ass military thing you can think of.. and advising / consulting some politician or campaign. They show up on a thread in groups referring to ea other as Mr. so and so (imagine a bunch of Matrix movie idiots calling everyone Mr. Anderson) wear sunglasses and have unclear profile photos.
Great.
So, now when there really is a Russian problem most folks would brush it off as bulls hit
failed to add:
These ‘Mr. Anderson’ assholes accuse people on LI of being Russian agents. Un fucking believable
One wonders how many are neocons. If any are from the UK, one wonders how many are Chindits. (Or allies of liars Eliot Higgins and Dan Kaszeta.)
I assumed they were employees of David Brock, believe it’s the same guy that ran Republican bullshit machine too.
I am not,and have never been,a Russian agent.
on LinkeIn eh.
LinkedIn Microsoft NSA wallstreet and propaganda
i saw and advertisement that said “WRITERS WANTED. WORK AT HOME”.
suddenly it adds up
What? so you’re tellin me that’s not where professionals go to connect?!
Doesn’t matter — as I’ve told too many people lately, if you are in full agreement with Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, Charles Koch and Lady de Rothschild that Hillary Clinton should be president, YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!
‘Nuff said . . .
One wonders if these Republicans and Neocons are trying to purge the Democratic party of Democrats. (See the Florida Senate race for a prime example.)
What problem? To any educated person the Democrats are engaging in deflection in the most far-right McCarthyite way possible. They are deflecting from their corruption and the racism inherent in their hacked emails.
For instance, they wanted to push Bernie Sanders’ jewishness to southern baptists. They berate Catholics and treat women and blacks like chattel, as we read their private emails.
They are also deflecting from the fact that they are supporting a very corrupt candidate, Hillary Clinton. As Secretary of State, against her agreement with Obama, she funneled in billions to her private foundation for favors. The Democrat base are in a fantasy that they represent the common person, yet they work towards far-right corporatism and the normalization of bribery.
The Ironic thing is that Secretary Clinton has the audacity to make up this McCarthyite smear against Trump, when she received untold millions to approve a Uranium One deal that gave Russia 30% ownership of US uranium. Yet she hypocritically deflects because Trump did some real estate deals with rich Russians. Oh the horror!
There was never any proof offered by any intelligence agency that the Russian government was responsible for the hacks or that they intended to hack the election machines – something the Democratic Party is working on right now.
Obama disgraced himself by using intelligence to influence public opinion. The 17 agency lie that Russia hacked the DNC is just that — a lie. Obama manipulated and cherry-picked evidence from his own intelligence community just as George Bush did. If anyone is guilty of the hatch act, it is President Obama.
Glenn Greenwald ?@ggreenwald 2h 2 hours ago
Here’s the updated list of all Podesta docs published by @WikiLeaks that have been proven, or claimed, to be fake:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/69/c7/8f/69c78f53fdc93726ce2d3b2c37478445.jpg …
Funny, I thought that was the list of Muslims killed by Trump. Or was that the list of innocents harmed by not redacting the Podesta cesspool leakage?
“Here’s the updated list of all Podesta docs published by @WikiLeaks that have been proven, or claimed, to be fake:”
that picture is deceptive. you can’t tell how many blank pages it has; one, ten, a hundred? Who knows? (it looks to me like it’s at least an inch thick) but I’m not looking at something that probably has a russian watermark hidden inside.
is that like a pre-emptive redacted version?
very thorough
Here is the problem that the Intercept will never cover with the stupid notion that Hillary used her husband’s private server to hide her emails. Would Hillary have used clintonemail.com as her email and domain name if that were the case? Maybe somebody could explain that one for me. Gee, no wonder right wing Comey couldn’t find intent.
Clinton Foundation has an email server, too.
It’s managed by “utopianetworks.net”
Heaven on Earth — for the psychopathic Clintons and their henchmen.
I have to wonder why the Intercept assigned four reporters to write over twenty paragraphs about a debunked discredited and supposedly dead story. It seems to be little more than an attempt to chum the hysterical Clintonite feeding frenzy with bits of fresh meat cleverly inserted among their supposed discrediting of the story.
Other Clintonite sites and individuals are trying to make a Putin/Comey connection, however vague or direct, but distractions from the FBI news, such as this offering, may help some people to forget what moronic grifters are soon to be ruling our country.
The article incorrectly implies that Richard Burt (Trump consultant) no longer has formal links to Alfa Group.
Mr. Burt is “Adviser to the Board” of LetterOne ( aka L1 ). This company was set up in 2013 by the principals of Alfa Group (including Mikhail Fridman) as a vehicle for international investment.
To the authors: Please correct your article (following an elementary Google search).
I think you should review the difference in meaning between implication and inference.
Also, refresh your understanding of tenses in English, specifically the present perfect vs. the past perfect. The present perfect, the tense used in the bolded portion of the quote, refers to an action, activity, condition, etc. that began in the past and continues in the present. The past perfect refers to something that occurred and ended at some point in the past.
If the authors intended to imply ;^) that Burt is no longer associated with Fridman’s ventures, they would have written “had indeed worked” to indicate that the activity ended in the past — an example of the past perfect tense just mentioned.
All manner of applications make all manner of incidental DNS lookups whenever they need to put a hostname to an IP address whether they intend to open up a socket to that server or not.
Yup.
Who are the investors in Spectrum Health? Trump has floated the opinion that veterans are not getting good healthcare. Is he doing this for the benefit of private companies who want that business?
http://woodtv.com/2016/05/09/spectrum-health-program-connects-veterans-with-benefits/
” Veterans are entitled to a lot of federal and state benefits, but figuring out how to get and use them can be hard. A new program at Spectrum Health is helping veterans pay their hospital bills and much more with benefits that already exist.
The program started in November, but nearly six months later, many people still don’t know about it and thousands of dollars in benefits are going unclaimed. Only 30 percent of the documented veterans at Spectrum Health Butterworth Hospital have received some kind of benefit since the program started.”
Are Trump’s policies to help America or help his investments?
“Are Trump’s policies to help America or help his investments?”
Hard to say at this point. We can say with complete certainty that HRC’s policies are creating a lot more veterans that need these services.
The spreading of Russian conspiracy theories demonstrates not only how desperate the democrats are, but also how devoid they are of imagination. I think it would be far more effective, and literate as well, for them to spin a parable about Trump based on the real life story of Raymond Mozzarella which I learned about thanks to Axel Hacke (http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/45085/Der-Baum-der-Erkenntnis). This tale, of a man who was so angered by a pine tree in his neighbor’s yard dropping sap on his car that he felled the tree, neglecting to notice that in doing so he destroyed his own house in the process. A perfect model for Trump’s ignorance, hatred and lack of foresight, and consequently for his appeal to like minded people.
One can find some references to the episode on the internet, but Hacke’s piece is far more entertaining.
Could what this former intelligence official be saying about Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton and Co. be true??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ov5kvWSz5LM
Steve Pieczenik claims to have inside knowledge of ongoing secret intelligence investigations against the Clinton’s which include their involvement in pedophilia. As these unsubstantiated claims are being made a mere weak before the presidential election, I suspect that they were tailor made for Alex Jones’ audience and Trump’s Christian conservative base.
To provide you with some idea of Pieczenik’s realpolitik worldview:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/italy-accuses-us-envoy-steve-pieczenik-aldo-moro-murder-1474527
Hillaryous.
Zollywood needs to do a remake of the Russians Are Coming with little Putins emerging from the submarine,instead of friendly Jews like Alan Arkin .
Hurry up,release it before Nov 8.
Trump 2016!
I suppose you think the email between Trump’s company and Alfa Bank had nothing to do with the October 31, 2016 announcement of the completion of a deal on the transfer of 99.9% in Ukrsotsbank (Kyiv), UCG’s asset in Ukraine, in exchange for a minority stake of 9.9% in ABHH. Note “ABH Holdings S.A. (ABHH, Cyprus), which indirectly owns 100% of Alfa-Bank (Ukraine)”.
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/380517.html
Check out the news on Russia and Cyprus.
In Cyprus’ Disunity, Russia Sees Opportunity
Stratfor: Cyprus is a key part of Russia’s strategy for the region
From the latter: “Russia also covets Cyprus for financial reasons. For decades, the island has served as an offshore banking and money-laundering hub for Russian companies and individuals,” the Stratfor report added. “Cyprus also plays a key role in Moscow’s natural gas strategy.”
It said Russian energy giant Gazprom was trying to move forward with the TurkStream pipeline, which would carry Russian supplies to Turkey and beyond to Europe.”
If you want to believe that marketing Trump hotels is all that is going on, that’s up to you. But Trump said he had talked with Putin directly and indirectly, so either he did or he is a liar.
“I spoke directly and indirectly with President Putin,” Trump said.
from http://www.newsy.com/videos/a-veteran-spy-claims-russia-has-been-aiding-trump-for-years/
And investments in Gazprom, ABH Holdings, or in Cyprus shell companies could influence Trump’s policies.
I can’t be certain, of course, but I’d be willing to bet that the guys who wrote this piece do, indeed think that (or will, if they read your post an learn of the cited transaction).
I know for sure that I think that — and that there’s no sane reason to think otherwise.
Ah yes, the David Corn fantasy tale that challenges Foer for vivid imagination and credulous stupidity.
Apparently, Mein Damen und Herren,Mesdames et Messieurs, Ladies and Gentlemen, batshit crazy is the new normal.
well gee by golly wow.
i am going to go to little odessa and get some suggestions on who to vote for. If any residents there are also residents of Russia then i suppose Hellary will consider that treasonous while she writes herself a pass for her criminal treasonous Russian deals.
remember – Hellary’s idea of reat sex is screwing everyone but her husband and donors. You do know what that adds up to, yes?
There’s plenty of bad news about Drumpf and Killary without Slate acting as a stenographer for candidates’ dirty tricks campaigns.
It was obvious to anyone who works with DNS that Slate’s story was complete nonsense but harder to explain that to non-technical people.
Well done Intercept.
Nothing pisses off the Intercept more than somebody using their computer knowledge to help the United States.
I see no evidence that you have any technical knowledge, so I must ask how much do you get paid to spread this political fiction to the technologically stupid.?
“The author of the white paper found that at least 19 IP addresses, all belonging to different networks except for the two that belong to Alfa Bank, had looked up Trump’s server.”
You’re telling me a whopping 19 IP addresses hit something called “Trump.email” during an election year, with Trump a candidate? I don’t think you’re proving what you think you’re proving.
A mass-emailer that sends emails to a Russian bank, privately owned by Russian Oligarchs, a health company, owned by teabaggers who have given tens of millions (that we know about) to GOP SuperPACs, and 19 other IP addresses? Is that your definition of “mass”?
I feel like there’s a lot in the Slate story that isn’t addressed here, while they do acknowledge the spam emails as a “minority” of the hits. I still don’t know enough about the actual data to make my own decision. Certainly it is not implausible that Trump has offshore accounts or that Trump is doing business with Russia, nor that Trump is getting money in exchange for being more favorable to Russia than Hillary. Hell, as The Intercept has demonstrated in previous articles, such things aren’t even really illegal.
No.
1. Nineteen Internet-connected devices of some kind requested the IP address of a server with that name. We have no idea whether those devices actually communicated with the server or even attempted to do so.
2. These lookups took place over “a short period of time.” We don’t know how long that period was, although it (or at least what is claimed) may be discernible from the materials the journalists have seen.
You don’t even understand the most basic elements of this story, let alone the details of the DNS system that one needs to understand to make a meaningful judgment.
“We don’t know how long that period was….”
Yeah, we don’t. But presumably the four authors of this article do, and they failed to mention it. Why? That’s the most important aspect of their defense of Trump. If a “short time” is five minutes, that’s one thing. If it is three days, that’s another.
Surely, with four journalists working on this they could have gotten headers from emails from tons of companies if those other companies had received email with a header that included “mail1.trump-email.com.” Their theory is that this was a bulk mass-mailer. There should be evidence of this, right?
Instead, all they provide is one header from Spectrum Health (a company owned by teabaggers who have given millions of dollars to SuperPACs and teabagger politicians), and they even failed to show a similar header from Alfa Bank. Why?
Had no idea there still exist such investigative journalism in the Western world.
Thanks The Intercept.
You just won a new reader from another continent.
It is hilarious and depressing that the Intercept spent as much time and energy on the original story as they did.
On its face, this story was a gullibility test for journalists. It took all the absurdity, stupidity and desperation of the Democratic Party’s Russia propaganda campaign and multiplied it by a thousand. How do you end up with that hook in your mouth?
The postmortem on this Russian propaganda is going to make mobile weapons labs seem like rock solid indisputable science. Hell, it’s going to make homeopathy sound reasonable.
How do you end up with that hook in your mouth?
It doesn’t seem likely to me that Mr. Trump would use an e-mail server to send spam messages promoting his hotels. Mr. Trump is bashful and exceedingly reluctant to promote himself or his businesses. In addition, he is sensitive to a fault and would never send out unsolicited e-mail messages that might inconvenience other people. So while the explanation posited in this article may be technically sound, it fails the psychology test.
Thanks, that was the funniest damn thing I read all week. :B
i could not have said this better because-
i couldn’t
So your proof is that he is communicating with Putin based on your public psychological evaluation of Trump?
This isn’t ad hoc bullshit psychological evaluation. It’s based on minutes spent examining every possible scenario and a deep knowledge of Mr. Trump’s psyche, based on watching Saturday Night Live.
I believe the whole Turnip/Putin man-crush thing was made up by Peggy Noonan in a fit of unrequited passion, benitoe.
*The steely eyed ex KGB Putin has about as much in common with the Pillsbury Dough boy … as he does Trump.
So, the site that doesn’t believe President Obama and the Federal Government will bend over forwards to accept anything from Spectrum Health?
The Devos family of Spectrum Health fame also founded Amway / Alticor, the latter operating in Russia. That entity has had transactions with Alfa Bank.
Significantly, the Devos family, including Richard and Betsy, have made enormous donations to Republican campaigns and PACs, some of which we know about, and some of which can be found here (type in the name Richard or Betsy Devos):
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml
Be sure to hit “continue” at the bottom of the page because there are many pages of donations.
So, a tie-in between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank and Trump starts to make a little more sense. Especially when you have designed a system that will accept messages only from them (and a few others).
great article
miscellaneous mumbling follows………Slate has the dumbest commenters of any liberal site. But do stick around to read Donald Fagen (yeah, Mr. Steely Dan!) on horror movies, an article he just posted there around halloween, when you go visit to check out the zoo.
are you reelin in the years…?
stowin away the ti – ime…?
gatherin up the tea – ears….?
have you had enuf of mi – ine….?
“…oh the things you think are useless I can’t understand…”
thanks for this. I am losing respect for 60% of my friends because of the rot they believe and authoritatively pass on about candidates, including this trump-putin complicity. The Intercept is one of the few sources I am still reading & I want to bomb all the others :-) :-) This election is going to send us into a civil war. I started out a year ago thinking I’d vote for HRC and now I never want to see her face or hear her voice again; can we have anarchy?
my sympathies
i talk with friends and family about their adherence to lady H and i mildly challenge them on sone issues and circumstances (i am ind for js and anyone but H) and their tacit unwillingness to even consider the remote possibility about the facts of some things is … flabbergasting? what they believe, how they came to that, what makes that stick against all odds…. and then i wonder… wait a minute, these are my friends and family and they are stuck on @#$%?
again, my sympathies because i am at a loss as to “where the hell am i?”.
my sincere sympathies.
(i am a way left x-bernie supporter, now JS)
Adherence to H, might have to with this: H (being the spokesperson for some masters of the US government of which I do not know the names) wants to rule our world with terrorism or some equally telegenic replacement. First she (and her predecessors) created fear, and next she makes people believe that she can take away fear if they vote for her (and she can, because she created the fear herself, but this double jeopardy is difficult to see for many)
Your friends minds may have been hijacked by fear. If you want to help them see the way the world works, and which direction we should aim for: try to take away their fear that has been installed relentlessly year after year by people like H.
Anarchy, in the way it is defined by Chomsky (holding governments accountable for their deeds, and if they cannot be held accountable, then that is a clear indication that they should be replaced), is a good start for a discussion and a way to reduce fear.
Worked for me.
REALLY ??? LETS NOT LET THE REAL FACTS GET IN THE WAY …A Moscow-based technology initiative funded in part by the Russian government funneled tens of millions of dollars into the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was serving as secretary of state. As President Obama’s top diplomat, Clinton oversaw and facilitated the State Department’s failed five-year project to “reset” U.S.-Russia relations, which spurred the creation of Skolkovo, a research facility known as Russia’s version of Silicon Valley. Yet 17 of the 28 American, European, and Russian companies that participated in the Skolkovo initiative were Clinton Foundation donors or sponsored speeches for former President Bill Clinton. The amount of money given to the foundation from “key” Skolkovo partners ranges from $6.5 to $23.5 million, according to Clinton Foundation data. The FBI and U.S. Army determined that Skolkovo had transformed into a “dangerous pathway” for Russian technological espionage and boosted the military’s technological capabilities. Many Skolkovo research projects used “dual-use” technologies, meaning the operations have both civilian and military uses
Among Skolkovo’s technological innovations were Russian hypersonic cruise missile engines, radar surveillance equipment, and vehicles built to deliver airborne Russian troops, Schweizer wrote in the Wall Street Journal. (The Clinton Foundation, State and Kremlin Connections Why did Hillary’s State Department urge U.S. investors to fund Russian research for military uses?)
The FBI in 2014 issued “an extraordinary warning” to U.S. tech companies against involvement in the Skolkovo initiative. The agency concluded that the “true motives” of the Russian partners, who were backed by President Vladimir Putin’s government, were to obtain “classified, sensitive, and emerging technology from the companies.”
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There are some very basic misunderstandings in the article above. For example:
“only two networks resolved the mail1.trump-email.com host.” is supposed to be contradicted by 19 that “looked up Trump’s server. ”
Resolving a host is different than looking up a server.
“DNS lookup is done directly against the domain’s authoritative name server”. Many hosts are looking up the two name servers. What exactly is the problem?
Who has ever said they are the same thing? With such elementary inaccuracies, it cannot be concluded that the assumptions drawn in the article are useful.
Hey, sounds to me like you’re a bunch of damned Putin-loving spiritualists.
And I’d really like to buy youn’s guys a round of whatever you’re having!
Okay, that will be a:
1. Longshot cocktail (served in a huuuuge “Trump: I AM The Greatest” mug)
2. Old fashion (Speaks for its self… and everybody else)
3. Three Wise Men (Me, Myself, and I naked; Served in a Visol Kremlin Mirrored Finish Moscow Mule Mug)
4. Brexit Energy Drink (with a shot of Bold London Spirits)
5. Wallbanger (South of the Border style)
6. Sex On The Tour Bus (Hold the Rocks!)
7. Bushwhacker (aged; with with a line and bitters)
5. Red Russian with a twist
6. El Presidente!
7. Double Plum Jerkum (served naked in a huuuuge “Trump: I AM The Greatest” mug by Hillary Clinton)
8. Long Draught (served on Black Ice)
9. Dark and Stormy (Slice on the side)
10. Burnt Fuselage (Kosher Salt optional)
11. Lone Gunman (Bull’s blood obligatory)
11 . Revolution Coup d’Etat (with a Yale Bull Chaser)
What, no strains? Dude, I live in Colorado.
Yuengling(sic) beer.
Lol! Yes, good addition to the list.
@Gert
Wonkette has gone utterly unhinged in the service of electing Hillary Clinton. A feminist did a piece there about how Bill Clinton probably is a rapist, but that’s ok, because he did it in the 80s — “nice grandpas” raped then — and he’s really a good feminist. No, really.
I think that piece should probably result in Rebecca being required to surrender her feminist credentials.
Seriously fucking creepy.
Yup, saw that one. Seriously eyebrow raising.
I’ve been hissed at (“Listen Sweetie/cupcake…”) for politely reminding people Her Highness might not be picture perfect.
People are losing their marbles over this election.
This is from nothing, to nothing. “a TOR exit node used exclusively by Alfa Bank”… say WHAT? What’s the point of using TOR if you’re going to have a *nonymous* exit site?
Yeah. More evidence that Foer and the conspiracy techies who hustled this goofy story don’t even understand the basics.
If the bank had actually done such a thing and gotten exposed for that reason, they would merit a Chuck Shepard News of the Weird write-up in the “Unclear on the Concept” section.
One has to look at the forces [neolib/neocon] at work in the smoke filled backrooms and halls of [corrupt] power to figure out elections are nothing but a pony and dog show pulling a doomed papier-mâché democracy.
We are led to believe we are still a nation of laws (sic), that our elections are fair and balanced (where have I heard that? ) and that we are a viable democracy, really?
This election cycle has been the most revealing and disgusting show of abject in your face, unethical and criminal behavior by our oligarchs through their political and economic self-serving political class thugs and criminals.
This article, among the many out there, the WL leaks of DNC/HRC/Podesta, the DOJ and FBI self-inflicted wounds, the Trump clown show, all these variables, including the incessant blatant MSM propaganda machine, prove or at least reveal we are a nation under siege by a globalist [NWO] criminal cabal.
All is not good in the neighborhood, and willfully dragging (accusing) other nations into our self-inflicted wounds and woes doesn’t bode well for us, the American people, and the world at large.
Yep. This is classic case of post-journalism: reporters going after another’s reporters story (four in this case) while not actually doing any original reporting about Trump and his relationship with Russia.
We did quite a bit of very technical original reporting first, but then decided not to publish any of it because it turned out there wasn’t actually a story there.
The FBI investigated Trump and found he has no relationship with Russia. See today’s New York Times article for the details. Unless you think … dum dum dum … the Times is involved in the coverup!!!!
That’s not quite accurate. What the Times reports is:
But, as Micah says after participating in a TI investigation of the matter, there really isn’t a story there.
Foer and Slate (along with a long list of others who should know better) bought a bill of goods.
When NY Times involves itself in coverups, it’s for the benefit of the establishment and the ruling elites. That’s how it maintains its position as the Newspaper of Record for The Owners.
You don’t grasp what the above article is about. It’s a debunking of campaign-motivated silliness that certain partisans peddle as serious. When in reality it’s, well, silliness.
Whopping levels if cray cray and silly are spewing from the Hillary camp and their friendly journos, including inanity about the FSB purportedly blackmailing Trump with some sex video he supposedly made in Russia and for five years Russian intel has been grooming Trump for…all kinds of nefarious stuff.
It’s utter codswallop, just like this server nonsense, but that’s neoliberal brain on Hillary near an election.
Wonkette are ‘on the case’ as well. The otherwise palatable snarksite that mercilessly lampoons Rethuglian/Faux Noize propaganda is now peddling the conspiracy du jour: Putin is targeting American Kleptocracy, and supporting Drumpfie.
Comey is in a ‘KGB’ honey trap or is the trans love child of Trump. Inverse Alex Jones, as it were…
This ‘liberal’ melt down over Weinergate (that script could have been written by the Pythons!) is far more entertaining than Halloween and cheaper too!
The unity of the allegedly-slightly-alternative, more-or-less-liberal media in spouting this nonsense is. . . instructive, ain’t it?
Yes. The comments threads of the usually interesting We Hunted the Mammoth(David Futrelle) site are affected too. Even DNC’s shenanigans re. rail roading Sanders are strenuously denied by some. Yet here the evidence is clear…
simply babbling
this is a weird article to have on a ethical gaming journalism website
It’s fish bait.
You’re the fish.
Reading “Tea Leaves”… in a cup…. also known as ‘devination.’ A form of witchcraft.
ALL of these authors just exposed their dirty hands.
The article here raises some good points, but fails to convincingly account for the main facts: why did an unused server in regular contact with a Russian bank, and how to explain the slate’s article’s experts who thought the DNS points to a direct human activity rather than one associated with automated spamming activities?
There’s not a single good point in this article. In fact, the entire story preys upon your ignorance.
Would you like to see all the Russian traffic logged by some of my servers?
Wanna know the name of the most dangerous piece of software available
? nc (also known as netcat).
These “elite experts” cited by the authors are novices.
How do you know?
The Slate article’s experts are not expert. Either they’re ignorant or they have an agenda, but they do not have truth on their side.
>> Slate article’s experts are not expert. Either they’re ignorant or they have an agenda,<<<
They are snake oil salesmen.
Don't drink the Cool-aide
And you know it because…?
Please tell us which three you think are strongest.
And the two thignies you cite as “main facts,” are not.
1. “The author of the white paper found that at least 19 IP addresses…” (although I tried it myself and couldn’t reach it, it questions Slate’s secrecy claim)
2. “the moniker “Tea Leaves” (an irony that should be lost on no one)…”
3. “Could it be that Donald Trump used one of his shoddy empire’s spam marketing machines, one with his last name built right into the domain name, to secretly collaborate with a Moscow bank?…” (although the assumption of stupidly and over-confidence is always applicable to Trump)
(Not sure they are the strongest, simply the first that presented themselves now)
The existence of the communication itself is a ‘main’ fact.
The interpretation of human-communication as oppose to automated exchange is more of an interpretation than fact, but it is not alluded to here, and if true it rejects the automated spam claim. (The following statements reject the possibility of content, not the automated vs human communication:
“No one, not Tea Leaves, not his academic peers, and not Franklin Foer, can show that a single message was exchanged between Trump and Alfa”.
If I missed it, please enlighten me.)
Given all the other connections between Trump and Russia it is safer to assume the worst rather than the best – unless of course you want to take a risk on a possible Manchurian Candidate sitting in the oval office.
>> Manchurian Candidate <<<
Hillary already said, her response to a "cyber war":::
"You have four minutes to launch… and that order MUST be followed."
How do you win a cyberwar?
Just unplug your computer. Save the world. She could be Jesus Christ.
Manchurians have outlived their usefulness to the zionists,of whom HRC is their chosen.
As clear as the Tel Aviv sky.
Damn, guys. Could you have been more thorough and clear?
What I really want to know is, who wrote this gem of a sentence? “a bunch of expensive, obnoxious spam servers that churn out marketing emails for its expensive, obnoxious hotels.”
>>> Damn, guys. Could you have been more thorough and clear? <<<
LOL….
TRANSLATION: Some people like the stains on the mattresses at Motel 6.
Da, da, you are doing wonderful work, Intercept, and you will be richly rewarded by Sub-Commandant President Trump and Great Leader Putin
Finally, TI doing its job. Thank you!
The Dems are grasping at straws trying to spin the news cycle.
How about a report on the FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation and the pedophile ring?
>>> How about a report on the FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation and the pedophile ring? <<<
That's content that's offered at Clinton's "utopiasystems.net"
IT’S PHONY BALONEY
GMAIL CONNECTS WITH RUSSIAN EMAIL SERVER!
YMAIL CONNECTS WITH RUSSIAN EMAIL SERVER!
HOTMAIL CONNECTS WITH RUSSIAN EMAIL SERVER!
BIG. FUCKING. DEAL.
The emphasis being place on this crap is just another ELITIST MOVE to cancel freedom of the press. Elitist thieves always looking to harm ridicule and deprive the public they rob.
“Go with the less wacky story ” in America ? Lol
Glad to see that you guys are digging into the complexities of this email server story and doing a great job of quickly knocking it down to make sure it doesn’t hurt Trump at the polls. Now, get back to writing stories about the horrors of the Clinton email server and make sure they do as much damage to her at the polls as possible… President-to-be Trump needs you!
Clinton Foundation’s email server is managed by “utopiasystems.net”
Utopia?
Maybe for members of the Clinton Crime Family.
<> DiG 9.9.5-3-Ubuntu <> clintonfoundation.com txt
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40222
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 3
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;clintonfoundation.com. IN TXT
;; ANSWER SECTION:
clintonfoundation.com. 2327 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx include:utopiasystems.net ~all"
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
clintonfoundation.com. 2327 IN NS ns48.domaincontrol.com.
clintonfoundation.com. 2327 IN NS ns47.domaincontrol.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns47.domaincontrol.com. 171518 IN A 216.69.185.24
ns48.domaincontrol.com. 171518 IN A 208.109.255.24
;; Query time: 0 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Nov 01 21:33:48 UTC 2016
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 189
Most American corporate media has become so embarrassing.
Two points struck me when reading the Slate piece. One is that if Alfa and the owner of trump-email.com intended to set up a private back channel, they wouldn’t use public DNS to begin with. Either Alfa would have hard-coded the necessary DNS MX and A records in the Alfa mail server’s local hosts file or in Alfa’s own DNS system, so that no public lookups would ever be done.
Another, perhaps more troubling (to me) revelation is that “an elite group of malware hunters … work[s] in close concert with internet service providers”. These DNS records are highly sensitive and revealing — metadata kills. Who has access to these databases, are they encrypted, etc.? I’d like to hear what Dr. Vixie has to say about this question.
Wanna know how DNS works? It’s PUBLIC (not sensitive) and not encrypted, either.
Do you know what kind of an advantage people like myself have over the general public???
Think of it this way: Anne Frank survived 2 years in Nazi-occupied Holland before being exterminated at Autschwitz.
Today, she wouldn’t survive 24 hours because she is an ignorant internet user who uses Facebook and Google.
Hillary and her Klan are “letting” you live — for now, that is.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. We can barely contain our excitement.
Tell us!
First, you are absolutely right about “Point One.” Of course they wouldn’t use public DNS (or probably even their own — why bother for a point-to-point?).
As for the question in the second point, I’m afraid the answer is that more people and entities than we can count have access to the logs of most DNS servers and server networks. That metadata is the property of the ISPs and/or the DNS services with which they contract (e.g., Dyn) and they use it pretty much any way they want, including loaning, data mining for themselves and others, etc. And law enforcement, in the US, can typically get access with no more than a subpoena, if that.
It’s a good reason to consider alternatives to using your ISP’s DNS servers. Here’s one, which includes servers that don’t maintain logs, or anonymize the logs, etc.:
OpenNIC
Why don’t you use bind???? It still has to hit the root servers.
Why don’t you just plug in the IP address and not use DNS at all?
OpenNIC???? You gotta be kidding.
https://www.isc.org/downloads/bind/
Attention, readers: Truth Seeker is a smug phony. Do not take his “technical advice” seriously.
Smug as a bug in the rug.
You can trust what I tell you. And(!!!) you can verify it too!!!!
http://WWW.ISC.ORG and http://www.ietf.org
Be that as it may, Doug smug phony or not, Monseur Seeker is correct, and I had the same thought as soon as I got to the “plot’.
Using DNS – or any other host => IP system – for this kind of clandestine messaging is worse than ridiculous. I’d use static IP addresses for each end and hard-code them into the program, not rely on public, and trackable, resolution services.
This story is totally bogus.
Just food for a flame war by Hillary.
Clinton Foundation has several Alfa accounts to launder money and bitcoins thru Nigeria, Kenya, and Indonesia.
Thanks, guys.
So far, the Slate story may win the Clueless Coverage award for this election — and that’s saying a lot. I literally laughed so hard I cried while reading it.
As you noted, the proposition that two entities with the resources of Trump and Alfa Bank would set up clandestine communications using servers in domains with their company names prominently included should have been far-fetched enough by itself to cause Foer and Slate to stop and consult better techies than they seem to have found.
You are gentler with Vixie than I think he deserves. If anyone on the planet knows damned well that you can’t get this sort of tea-leaf reading from examining a small subset of DNS lookups, Dr. Paul Vixie ought to be that guy. What was he thinking?
And the reproductions of the Trump Hotels spam? Priceless.
Now, since you’re on a roll, see what you can do with the David Corn/Mother Jones fantasy tale.
Good story and explanation. No one need make up anything on Trump or Clinton, there is plenty to go round on both. Both are carrying baggage that will make it hard for either to govern effectively.
…but the Slate piece already spoke to this exact issue w/ the traffic going to and from Spectrum, along with the inability to confirm a lot of stuff based on the limited data found by Tea Leaves (and confirmed by countless other security experts, including calls to reluctance by a few of them). Yet your “rebuttal” doesn’t in any way reference 1) the timing and two-way nature of correspondence, 2) the curious lack of pretty much ANY other interactions happening on either of these ends of the Alfa/Trump connection, 3) the switching to a different address for the same level of traffic after initial reports surfaced, and 4) that subsequent traffic shutting down upon being publicly noticed. Feel free to title this comment “Here’s the problem with the Intercept’s problem.” Start seriously rebutting those other very curious aspects that Slate wrote about, or stop wasting our time.
You don’t understand how DNS actually works.
Stop wasting our time.
Here’s the problem with Problem’s problem: Like Foer, s/he doesn’t know how the Internet works.
Sex video? In a world where we say sexuality is up to the individual, we’re going to choose one individual whose heterosexual escapades must be judged? I don’t think you really want such fair scrutiny of your behavior, do you?
There’s enough Trump slop to stir into the campaign caldron without making stuff up. Now, about that sex video . . .
Hillary had at least 30.000 emails erased when she should have instead turned them over to the appropriate requesting authorities, there’ is far more to incriminate Clinton in this regard than there is Trump.
Excellent debunking. When used, subjecting evidence to scrutiny still works.
Perhaps this is why the FBI did not sign off on blaming Russia for the hacks of the DNC. (And of all the agencies, the FBI focuses on counter intelligence.)