There are many reasons Betsy DeVos’s nomination to serve as Donald Trump’s education secretary could be justifiably quashed by the U.S. Senate. Her long public record indicates she is a religious Christian zealot who does not believe in the actual separation of church and state, wants public monies funneled into religious schools, and has contributed through family foundations to bigoted groups with a militant anti-gay agenda. During her confirmation hearing she gave disturbing answers to questions about her views of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, standardized tests, and school vouchers. She also suggested guns have a place in American schools, though her claim that they were necessary to defend students from grizzly bear attacks was not very compelling.
DeVos is married to Richard DeVos, the heir to the Amway Corporation fortune. She is also the sister of Blackwater founder Erik Prince, who is secretly advising the Trump team on intelligence matters, as The Intercept reported Tuesday. The Prince and DeVos families’ merger through marriage was reminiscent of the monarchies of old Europe, and since the 1980s they have funneled hundreds of millions of dollars into Republican campaign coffers and the war chests of far-right religious organizations, at least one of which — the Family Research Council — has been designated an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
As Mother Jones pointed out:
The Dick and Betsy DeVos Family Foundation gave $275,000 to Focus on the Family from 1999 to 2001 but hasn’t donated since; it gave an additional $35,760 to the group’s Michigan and D.C. affiliates from 2001 to 2010. The Prince Foundation donated $5.2 million to Focus on the Family and $275,000 to its Michigan affiliate from 2001 to 2014. (It also gave $6.1 million to the Family Research Council, which has fought against same-sex marriage and anti-bullying programs — and is listed as an “anti-LGBT hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The FRC used to be a division of Focus on the Family before it became an independent nonprofit, with Dobson serving on its board, in 1992.)
During Tuesday’s hearing, the Democratic senators protested Republican chair Lamar Alexander’s unprecedented ruling that senators would only be permitted one round of questioning. Nonetheless, several senators pressed DeVos on the contributions made by her and other family members through their foundations. DeVos, clearly prepared for such questions, assured the committee that she has nothing to do with the contributions made by her mother’s foundation, the Prince Foundation (formerly known as the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation). DeVos said that her immediate family — presumably meaning her husband and children — had nothing to do with the financing of anti-gay causes and groups and that she has never supported “conversion therapy” for gay people.
Newly elected Democratic Sen. Margaret Hassan pressed DeVos on these claims. She asked DeVos directly if she was on the board of her mother’s foundation during the period in which large donations were made to Focus on the Family. DeVos said that she was not on the foundation’s board.
When I heard that, I pulled up the 990 tax documents of the Prince Foundation, which I investigated for my book “Blackwater.” Betsy DeVos was clearly listed as a vice president of the foundation’s board, along with her brother Erik, for many years, at least until 2014. DeVos was a vice president during the precise period Hassan was referring to. I then began a tweet storm about this lie:
Betsy DeVos just told Sen. Hassan she isn't on the board of her mom's foundation. She was vice president for several years! I have the 990s pic.twitter.com/x4A2Wx4Sdh
— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) January 18, 2017
Betsy DeVos lied repeatedly during this hearing. She was VP of her mom's foundation when they poured money into anti-gay organizations.
— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) January 18, 2017
. @SenHassan just asked DeVos about *several years* of Prince foundation 990s & her listing as VP. DeVos said it was clerical error. My god.
— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) January 18, 2017
At the very end of the hearing, Sen. Patty Murray, the ranking Democrat on the committee, allocated the small time she had left to Hassan, who proceeded to reference the 990 tax forms. DeVos then made an astonishing claim. These government tax forms, filed by her own mother’s foundation, were incorrect. For years. Many years. “That was a clerical error. I can assure you I have never made decisions on my mother’s behalf on her foundation’s board.”
The idea that her own mother’s foundation would accidentally list her as a vice president for years as result of a clerical error is just not believable. The Democrats should go to town on this obvious attempt to mislead the Senate. This alone should disqualify DeVos, though there is a vast ocean of other reasons they could fish from.
Correction: Jan. 18, 2017
A previous version of this article referred to the Americans with Disabilities Act. DeVos gave her views on the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act.
Top photo: Betsy DeVos looks over her papers before her confirmation hearing for secretary of education before the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington on Jan. 17, 2017.
Thank you for reporting the lies and deceptions of president trump and his nominees.
Not a fan of DeVos but if being listed as a VP assumes involvement, same principle should be applied to Huma Abedin’s connection with her mother’s radical Islam magazine views.
The selective outrage here is so transparent! Democrats are infamous with pats on the back by our MSM for lying under oath or not recalling regarding circumstances far more corrupt! This is soap opera hysteria about a lifestyle 3.6% of the nation admits to being! We need two large islands, one for gay men and one for lesbian women and leave then alone to repopulate….oops!
you don’t seem to have thought this through before making your comment. DeVos isn’t being criticized for being a Republican but for self-serving lies and bigotry. no one has suggested that there aren’t Democrats who are similarly unfit for public office, so you’re projecting regarding “selective outrage.”
what is far more transparent is your own, rather proud, declaration of bigotry. there isn’t a population percentage cut-off below which it’s justifiable, ethical, legal or constitutional to deny a person their status and rights as a human being.
Now, now Rick! I’ve a better idea. How about, instead, we send you to “Shahatters” island, where you can live among others of your kind, who have chosen to behave as though their integrity and morals have been lobotomized and they suffer from Gross Ethical Leprosy (incidentally, the most virulent form of this disease which often results in foaming at the foul mouth). Easily recognized early symptoms are zero compassion and excessive ignorance. In the latter stages of the disease, those afflicted have to watch in horror as their tongues fall out followed by plenty of Pants Chatting. (better known as “I shat myself again” complex) In any case, upon your delivery to ShaHatters island, you’ll be ‘fixed’ immediately, ensuring your line will NOT keep calm and ‘carry on’. I’m not cruel enough to order a full castration, just a minor procedure that will safeguard the future of our universe against small-minded pettifoggers like yourself. Those of us who still have our hearts and humanity intact will move forward quite happily without you.
Well, being a VP is definitely not the same as being on the board. For example, even many CEOs aren’t on the boards of directors of their respective corporations.
Wow , you must be a real nonprofit expert ? She was reported as VP of the board on the 990 . Please read before you try to comment
No, she’s listed as an officer, a vp, not necessarily a member of the board of directors. Try learning the difference between officers and directors before you comment condescendingly.
What you say is not all truth but only a measure of it. It also depicts what the “drive-by media” does not get and apparently yourself as well. We the people (besides California and New York with a few large cities in-between) care more about how the church is being affected by the government and we care less about how much the church is involved with politics as that will always police itself if the constitution is followed. The last eight years have torn down the constitution and the very fabric that built this great nation that both of us enjoy. Your ranting does not change the fact that the liberal thinking has come back to bit itself in the proverbial “butt”. If the laws of the senate would have been left alone the slimmest of majorities would not rule the day. It would appear “your liberal lawmakers” have made the bed they now lie in and you that support liberalism have to admit that to be true. Whether Betsy gets it or not is of little consequence rather the people that govern this nation had better keep a vigilant eye on what they say and who they support. A change has been made and Washington will never be the same. Trump is neither a Democrat or Republican, he is his own person and has thumbed his nose at both parties. That should be good for the people it is just to be seen if those in the senate and house will get out of the way.
How does any of your drivel make Ms. DeVos even remotely qualified for this position?!?!? Newsflash, it doesn’t! She’s not qualified, period.
i missed the part of the preamble that excludes Californians and New Yorkers, but never mind. the Constitution isn’t written or intended for the benefit of “the church, but has some specific content concerning private, parochial religious interests exercising undue political influence on the rest of the citizenry.
also, the fact that Trump managed to orchestrate a political coup against the normal party system may indicate a shift in power, but only into his own hands. have you seen his cabinet picks? they don’t look like the down-home sort to me.
“the church.”
sorry, i neglected to close the quote.
You didn’t miss that part of the preamble, Gene. In 2010, or there-about, NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg also installed a Chancellor of Education with no educational background or knowledge of the populations she was serving. Fortunately, that former right wing magazine publisher had to terminated within a year after suggesting that minority children were incapable of learning.
…oops, I left out the word “be”. “had to be terminated”
Even the lateral movements I applied for within the dept. of education required that I sign multiple forms pertaining to conflict of interest. Why does this not apply to those seeking much higher office? Why could the Dept. Of Education monitor my online postings for inflammatory or immoral statements which would subject me to termination, while campaign rhetoric of that nature is just considered “something politicians need to do”?
The last 8 years has been great for keeping church and state separated, what country or planet are you from.
This new government agenda wants to intertwine church and state as much as possible, and only some branch of the Christian state as well. The Church and people’s religious beliefs should have no business on Government whatsoever.
It would be interesting then – given her denial- if the Foundations rules or State or Federal regulations were broken. Usually Foundations are required to have a minimum number of members, and decisions made require the votes of some percentage of those members.
If she was not a member then the whole shebang may collapse.
B DeVos’ skirting of whether or not she agreed to direction of her mother’s foundation funds to anti-gay groups is not necessarily a lie (she was a VP, not a member of the board) & does Senate really need a ‘gotcha’ to reject confirmation? She has no training or experience in the field, just opinions & money. She proposes to head up the system which educates 85% of the nation’s children, yet her activism and funding proclivities and public statements for decades have been aggressively anti-public education. And it was clear from her responses to non-gotcha questions that she hasn’t even a broad-brush grasp of two central public-ed issues: IDEA law and assessments.
re Arth: “I do find the constant and aggressive promotion of ‘gayness’, especially in schools undesirable.”
“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
-Jerry Seinfeld
Does it seem possible anyone with this amount of wealth will be legitimized to finance what her messianic believers regard as an education that teaches an earth that is only six thousand years of geologic age? If so, could this be a government that represents education which conveniently discredits psychiatry as a false religion?
I am so glad that you brought out that Betsy DeVos may be in favor of providing parents of public school children the opportunity to try “conversion therapy” for their possibly gay children. In light of the seminal research reported on at the Johns Hopkins Medical Center in the summer of 2016, ( http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/executive-summary-sexuality-and-gender ) in which two of the most eminent names in American Psychiatry made a significant and valid case that homosexuals and transexuals were not born that way. It is now is incumbent on serious-minded educators and administrators to craft new policies to adapt school policies to what we now know to be true about the science of homosexuality and other emotional afflictions.
Accordingly, clinicians, educators and parents now are faced with having to work in a new dynamic in which the faulty assumptions of the last several decades must be replaced with new therapies based on observed science. We no longer have valid grounds to see homosexuality and other perversions as just another normal expression of human sexuality. Instead, we must confront the obvious and proven conclusions that homosexuality is not normal, and needs to be treated as other types of psychiatric afflictions are dealt with in the in- and outpatient settings.
Kudos to President Trump for nominating a Head of Education Cabinet member who is not afraid to explore new methods of working with children to help them live happy and productive lives while working to adjust to their difficulties. More than ever, parents need new age alternatives to help their children make such adjustments, and people like Secretary DeVos have the intelligence and courage to lead the way towards informed and insightful programs to serve the needs of the affected children now that we understand better the root causes of their difficulties.
Are you kidding me right now?!?!? We should support this woman’s anti-gay agenda and allow her to use electroshock therapy on our children?!?!? The thought process here is so warped and twisted…. Seriously, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, so please just stop the madness!
How about we just leave people alone man?
Bit cold there in Moscow?..troll..What a tosser!!!
Why is it unsurprising that your cited study was not subitted to peer review?
Though peer review is not always neccessary, when contradicting decades of peer reviewed studies, without peer review, such a contradictory study is meaningless.
Of course, I would not expect A DeVos fan to even understand what I mean when I say “peer review”. That is why should be opposed for this Cabinet position.
You understand the difference between an officer and a director, right? Because she seems to be listed as a vp, an officer, which doesn’t necessarily sit on the board of directors and therefore doesn’t necessarily make board decisions. The only thing this article proves is that neither the author nor DeVos know what they’re doing. It doesn’t prove she lied.
Whether “going to town” is always in the best interest of the Democratic party remains to be seen. The criticism of Trump using Twitter masks the fact that most of what reporters report on is Twitter. What I found missing in this article was proof that DeVos, whom I don’t know, was indeed on the board from 1999-2001, when Amway chump-change was apparently disbursed to Focus or FRC. Indeed, she was on still on the board in 2014, and had been on the board for “several years”, make me think there’s a gap in the argument.
Though it’s nice to see reporting on Congress, it lacks a certain depth and clarity or irrefutability, though many nice jabs at the right, they unfortunately, lack any real weight. Enough for the gossip columns and that’s the real news today, anyway.
Though the hair on my neck bristle at the portrait painted by the author, I know it’s pretty superficial and lacks any real depth.
The next several years will be interesting though. Expect more reporting by and about Twitter. It used to be half the news was MSNBC talking about what happened on FOX and CNN reporting about what happened between MSNBC and FOX. Now we have twits, and tweets.
But it really would be nice if journalism returned to the business that it is named after: reporting before, during and after the fact, providing a historical record, even among details that may not seem relevant today.
DeVos lied! True, but lying is not news in Washington. Slamming may be, but in a more perfect world WFC style journalism would be on its way out.
A good point, expressed well.
Especially in these times, the basic tenets of journalism have never been more important, including the dogged work of confirming the particulars with several sources.
I watched this entire questioning session….anyone knows from watching it…she is lying up her sleeve….she has an agenda all of her own, and it is going to hurt, public school children the most. She should not be confirmed for anything: but, good bye.
Jeremy, so why is it so bad that DeVos supported pro family groups? So you’d rather see further breakdown of the family? Since when is the family evil? Children need their parents Sir. Broken families lead to a broken society. Those stuck in bad school systems shouldn’t have choices? That’s what I love about the left these days. “My way and no right to choose for anyone else! Only MY social and political views matter!”. Do they really matter more to you than children receiving a solid education in a safe environment? Another thing, this country is 80% Christian, so to hear your comments degrading religion are very disturbing. (Did you read your Comments Policy?) Fortunately, the majority of Americans in cities and states across this country do not share your views which is why Trump won. I will be calling my senator today to ask him to support Betsy DeVos. Thank you for reminding me of the urgency.
“so to hear your comments degrading religion are very disturbing. ”
Doesn’t your god give you strength to weather degrading aspects of your religion?
“Broken families lead to a broken society.” Congratulations on writing the most eyeroll worthy thing of the day ????.
“Pro Family Groups” 9 times out of 10 are against preventative womens health, no they even try to close clinics……not to mention Planned Parenthood!…..and don’t give me this crap about them funding abortions, you’d be wrong! The ‘bad’ school systems ‘ain’t’!…it’s funds are cut off and reduced time and time again by the GOP feds, when over half of our tax dollars are spent on the MIC to provide security for ‘stealing’ fossil fuel extraction from other countries …. “My way and no right to choose for anyone else! Only MY social and political views matter!”. Sounds like EXACTLY what the GOTP does, the party of NO, hacked every social process intended to advance the ‘commons’….every phkn time!!!
” Another thing, this country is 80% Christian”…what a bunch of crap, there more atheists and agnostics than there are Christians….” Fortunately, the majority of Americans in cities and states across this country do not share your views which is why Trump won.” More crap, he “won” the electoral college (a completely outdated system), but lost the popular vote by over 3 million, so there are ‘less’ Americans that share your views. I’m really phkn tired of folks being ‘opinionated’ rather than ‘informed’, which you aren’t.
“… this country is 80% Christian, so to hear your comments degrading religion are very disturbing”
??
Do you believe that it is the 20% of unbelievers that commit all the wars, murders, assaults, burglaries, rapes, drone assaults, chemical attacks on unsuspecting citizens, in this country as well as others, while representing their Christianity?
Christianity and its moral and ethical laws are obviously not observed by the 80%.
It is a failed religion.
Correction: “while representing their Christianity: strike that. Obviously they are not representing Christianity.
The 80% Christians do nothing but good deeds.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-19/us-government-caught-massively-fabricating-student-loan-default-data
“Today, we finally got confirmation that, as speculated, the US government was indeed fabricating student loan default data, making it appear far lower than it was in reality.
An the WSJ reported overnight “many more students have defaulted on or failed to pay back their college loans than the U.S. government previously believed.”
The admission came last Friday, when the Education Department released a memo saying that it had overstated student loan repayment rates at most colleges and trade schools and provided updated numbers. This also means that the number of loan defaults in various cohorts is far greater than previously revealed.
A spokeswoman for the Education Department said that the problem resulted from a “technical programming error.”
And so, the infamous “glitch” strikes again.
How bad was the data fabrication? When The Wall Street Journal analyzed the new numbers, the data revealed that the Department previously had inflated the repayment rates for 99.8% of all colleges and trade schools in the country. In other words, virtually every single number was made to appear better than it actually was. And people mock China for its own “fake data.”
According to an analysis of the revised data, at more than 1,000 colleges and trade schools, or about a quarter of the total, at least half the students had defaulted or failed to pay down at least $1 on their debt within seven years. This is a stunning number and suggests that the student loan crisis is far greater than anyone had anticipated previously. It also means that the US taxpayer will be on the hook for hundreds of billions in government-funded loans once attention finally turns to who is expected to foot the bill for years of flawed lending practices.”
“I never made decisions on my mother’s behalf..” says she did not do so as a substitute for her mother, not that she never made decisions on her own while on the board. Clever liar.
The pirates are boarding the ship… although that might be an insult to pirates. The billionaires are boarding the ship!
Hey Jeremy. How about another new REVISED Revised and Updated Edition of “Blackwater” – incorporating all these latest revelations? Just a thought…
Being a VP does not mean she sat on the board of directors. Either your intentionally omit this to make you story sound truthful or you need to educate yourself on business.
You haven’t read the comments or followed the link to the relevant 990 and read it, have you?
It isn’t Scahill who needs education on this matter.
He’s right. Being an officer is not the same as being on the board. You are allowed to hold both positions in the organization but that same document would have also called out who those board members were.
I think the confirmation had some train wreck moments as well but in this case she wasn’t technically wrong.
Let’s not forget that Drumpf didn’t even win the popular vote. He “won” because a process designed to maintain slavery.
You keep posting this bullshit all over these threads. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
The votes in the Electoral College are apportioned to mirror the representation of the states in Congress. That representation is determined in the House by population and in the Senate by a fixed number of senators per state.
The arguments over the relevant issues, during the Constitutional Convention, were between more heavily-populated states and those with fewer people. Slavery was not the focus of the dissent.
Virginia, a slave state, was in favor of population-based representation in the Senate (the proposed plan was called the “Virginia Plan”).
The “Small State Plan” or “New Jersey Plan” would have provided for a single (unicameral) legislative assembly, with one representative from each state, regardless of population. New Jersey was also a slave state at the time (the last northern state to abolish slavery).
The arrangement that was ultimately adopted, the one we have today, was known as the “Connecticut Compromise.”
This is all fascinating history. Go read some of it and stop spewing your ignorance around here.
Wizard level journalism there, especially involving the tweets during the hearing itself.
This article was great. I really appreciate your investigation and journalism. Thanks!
@Arth
That is not happeneing. What is occurring is promotion of tolerance and making available resources to gay teens to do something about the horrifyingly high rate of suicide among gay teens, especially in areas of the country where social acceptance is greatly lacking and severe bullying is a problem.
I’m sure you have a friend in Betsy DeVos. She doesn’t have a fuck to give about gay kids offing themselves.
It’s funny that ‘gay teens’ weren’t suiciding that much let’s say… 30 years ago. Why do you think it’s that? Seriously. I knew zero ‘gay teens’ or tweens as I grew up and the only classmate that suicided herself was a beautiful, wonderful 7th grade girl – we all cried – who apparently was impregnated by some animal in his 40’s.
You probably knew several gay teens growing up, you just didn’t know it because they were deep in the closet. Suicide of gay teens was never reported as such back then either. When thinking about how different things were when you were growing up, you need to be mindful of the difference between things that have changed, and things we now know about that we were ignorant of before. In this case, your ignorance back then may have been bliss, but it was still ignorance.
Have fun in The Hot Place, Betsy (Revelation 21:8):
“…all liars [even Liars for Jesus], shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Circle Jerk, Dog and Pony Show, etc. That’s all these things really are. You can’t spit in that city without hitting some horrible person or other
Give her a chance. I could care less what the Southern Poverty Law Center says about anything. The Public School system is disappointing and needs change !!!
Give her a chance? According to her hearing she is not sure if a disabled child should have the right to an equal education as a non-disabled child. She does not understand the difference between student growth and student proficiency. Then when asked if student sexual assault laws should be enforced she replied we need to talk about that. She has no knowledge of financial aid and student loans. All of these should disqualify her from the position.
No, we cannot give her a chance. She’s way too under-qualified to be given a chance, especially with so much at stake! Just no.
Someone has problems distinguishing past from present tense.
No draining the swamp here. Most unqualified besides being deceitful.
This was a coup d’état with insider help from the FBI and outside help from at least Russia. The real problem now is they won and we may never know how deep into our government this treason goes. Unfortunately, because America is too stupid to know better, We the People may never see our country again.
After reading Scahill’s work regarding JSOC, it’s hard for me to get worked up over the incoming Secretary of Education.
Always interesting when you are subject to censorship on the site that is ‘promoting’ some sort of freedom of expression.
As I said before and others have also pointed out –
1. The “Gotcha” moment is rather undermined by the 0 hours – thus the explanation given by Ms DeVos has some merit.
2. The links are tenuous at best – because you are a member of a family does not mean that you subscribe to their beliefs – or you may have some alignment but not total agreement. This is the same with belonging to a Church as well.
Underlined by “DeVos said that her immediate family — presumably meaning her husband and children — had nothing to do with the financing of anti-gay causes and groups and that she has never supported “conversion therapy” for gay people.”
In other words as she indicated – her Mother In Law – the Matriarch – does what she wants, says what she wants and that’s that …
3. The two sources Mother Jones and SPLC are not unbiased sources of information on Betty DeVos – they suffer from the same confirmation bias that most liberal media suffers from – what you want to see is what you see.
4. Prejudice and bigotry against people that have a religious or spiritual view is just as pervasive as any other sort of prejudice. I get that some people don’t like that people express a view different from themselves on Gay marriage, abortion or Christian worship but that does not disqualify them from holding office.
If it is something more serious than this – then in the balance of fairness it needs to be well evidenced, thoughtful and without ambiguity.
Throwing all sorts of “cards” on the table is a poor intellectual tactic and shows a certain disdain for humanity.
As far as I am aware I don’t recall any “disturbing answers” to any of the few educational views she espoused …
As I said before the logic of this op ed does not stand up to a more rigorous scrutiny. If there is more than I might change my pov until then …
ps No I’m not anti gay, I don’t go to a fundamentalist church…blah blah blah.
thank-you
Nice article. Trump will be fighting corruption with all our help.
Any article that references the Souther Poverty Law Center as a fair and impartial mediator of an issues is a skewed one.
Additionally, it is still legal to hold an opinion which varies from the politicized hyperactive politicized views of the LGBTxqrlt* “community”. Because I don’t agree with their political overreach does not mean I hate them but believe them to have a fundamental misinterpretation of what a “human right” is and the lengths to which one should reasonably go to convince others of your opinion.
Wanting the same rights as our straight brothers and sisters is “political overreach”??!! FU
Under her title it says Zero hours devoted. It could be that she was only using the title as clout and virtue signaling with no actual participation in the organization.
Either way, she’s a liar.
Even if she isn’t a liar, she is stupid. The wrong person for this job.
If you watch the 1st video above.. the question that Sen. Hassan asked was this:
“It’s your mother’s foundation, and you sit on the board?”
to which DeVos replied “I do not.”
can’t see how that’s a lie.. the question was posed in a present-tense “do you sit on the board”.. if a past-tense was presented, such as “.. or have you sat on the board?” – or even if the Senator had just used “sat” instead of “sit”, then asking DeVos if she ever sat on the board then answering “I do not” would have been a lie.
Any reasonable person when asked a question such as “.. and you sit on the board?” would take that as being asked if you currently are on the board.
The document (I.e., the “evidence”) says deVos is a Vice President. In other words, an officer. That is not the same as being a director or “member of the board.” So she did not lie.
@A. Citizen
isn’t entirely off base- the SJW crowd virtually ruined the Democratic party with all of the blatant poverty pimping and cause stalking all over the internet. And some of that coming off line as they misused and abused the DHS tip-line for fun and political profit.
And Morris Dees is a sadsack of sheit, regardless of how he has capitalized on the ‘other peoples pain’ industry while living a fat life. The guy is a multi-millionaire with a selective definition of hate; he doesn’t fall far from the ADL bushel of racist rotten apples- the residue of the era where Jews competed to be more white than WASPs, and now feel guilty about all the success.
http://takimag.com/article/gawker_media_hypocrites_vs_douchecanoes/print#axzz4WBey80lR
“For those too squeamish for war, social justice is the next best racket. If you’re an amoral hustler with no talent or job skills, just brand yourself an “activist” and you too can be raking in the Benjamins.”
The whole SJW/crisis PR/ Twitter/ Haim Saban sycophants/ paid trolling crowd is blatantly racist (in it’s own special way),anti-hetero male, anti-white (unless your that other kind of white) and particularly insensitive to the long documented anomie of young black males; and regressively pro-prison industrial complex, regardless of who they can scoop into it.
Those aren’t feminists over there- those are Bolshevik ball chopper babes with boyfriends who own the military industrial complex, and it’s huge parasite of the crisis PR manufacturing Op Mockingbird achinery. And their end game is leading suckers to the slaughter of any kins as long as it profits them.
As for Ellison, Pedinska aptly notes, he dropped Booker like a hot log. Again- Ellison made his name in North Minneapolis during the years it was dubbed “Murderapolis,’ by exploiting the anomie of disenfranchised black males, while building the prison based on fears of the boogieman ( and men in general). His virtually the Trojan horse of all of that locale’s ADL/JF led minority parade of poverty pimps, who make their living off the fed handouts for SJW causes.
Mother Courage and her children, following the war around, while sacrificing nothing in the form of bravery or true courage. All photo ops and glad handing.
But forget any real Democrat party ever rising again. They killed it, one vagina monologue at a time.
Matt Forney, from RoK fame? White supremacist Matt Forney?
Pure alt-right.
Alt-Right- led by Milo Yiannopoulous? Suuuure. Reeks of WASPs and the KKK alright….You are welcome to read whoever you want to.
Like a crow to a pile of cowshit ( or main stream media) I find the corn of truth in brash and bold speech, rather than safe spaces, tightly controlled by whiners with huge vagendas and Trotsky’ version of Racism, hosted at a barricaded function by the ADL/Mossad Domestic and its associated race baiting slime.
Yeah, call me old fashioned- I sort of long for the old left, cuz this neo-con-job left ain’t my deal. Tell me that joke again about how the Democrats are the good guys? Or better yet, tell it to Bernie over there at his new beach house. They pulled real Wasserman on him.
Why are democrats so concerned with what sexuality beliefs a secretary of education has. Our education system doesn’t make any special considerations or is not suppose to for sexuality choices of students because they are suppose to be teaching and are not a dating service. Teaching basic reproduction and body development like puberty, should be the only part of any schools. Has there been any special focus on heterosexual students for their sexual choices? No. So where do homosexuals get off demanding anything different? It isn’t a schools place to focus on who and how people wanna have sex with outside of the classroom. So it is not in the best interest of a structured system like a school to focus on a students sexual orientation. Our country is so diverse that if a school had to accommodate every student’s cultural, religious, and ethnical preference which will be the next step in the democrat’s agenda to make happen in the name of tolerance and acceptance, then there won’t be any focus on education. And democrats are the most intolerant and unaccepting people when it comes to Americans. But everyone else is OK…just not the WHITE, STRAIGHT, AMERICAN.
The educational system may not be a dating service, but dating abounds, due to the concommitant social interactions among students. It’s considered normal when discussing heterosexual children, but sexualized-liberal-agenda when homosexual children are included. Bullying of diverse children has all too often been accompanied with the blind-eye of a conservative school administration. Teachers have the opportunity to be inclusive by providing lessons and discussions of prominent, diverse scientists, authors, artists, et al, past and present. School libraries should provide resources supporting a diverse student body. School social functions should openly include all students. You state that we live in a diverse country, so I fail to understand why you prefer only your threatened view from the WHITE, STRAIGHT perspective. Diversity is here to stay and an inclusive school curriculum and social atmosphere will benefit everyone.
Cuz Democrats want sole title to discussion about sex- it’s written into all of their manifesto’s and religious texts (like the Vahjayjay Monologues, Marx, or anything by John Stuart, or SNL ), and especially it’s version of ‘feminism’ and it’s ‘guiding hand.’
Like Trotsky or one of those bolshevik rebbe’s once said “control of the machinery” is the workers duty on the road to empowerment.
And to a Democrat, all sex has to do with the vahjayjay, and all vahjayjay’s are tools by which women can leverage men AND state power via control of the manufactured product, which you might know as “children.”
It’s for the children, of course, and sex is no fun. Or, Jewcathlocism (see the Supreme court for a quick take on the horror of our courts-not an atheist, or anyone else anywhere near a decision about sex, children, or fertile myrtility)
So, in Demo-speak, sex translates to work product, and work translates to manufacturing of children for the state cuz vahjayjay. And all of that, so you get to control the entire world!!!!! Which has worked quite well since we quit killing Native american’s for buffalo hides an gold an focused on oil and camel milk instead.
So to that version of a Democrat the perfect marriage is a woman, controlling her ‘machinery’ AND the “sex supply”, and wedded to the police and surveillance state power cuz- badmenz and boogiemans might go native with the non-Jewcatholics of conquered nations, whose machinery might just have other vagendas.
I men- that’s just my opinion bu you can ask their god about it. I’m sure there’s a dusty scroll or book somewhere that covers it.
Keith Ellison just dropped a Booker in the punchbowl.
Keith Ellison prods Bernie Sanders to help out DNC
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/18/politics/dnc-chair-debate-ellison-sanders/index.html
It’s grimly amusing to consider how naive he must be to even think that will work.
operation “blind faith”
More like the story of the blind men feeling up an elephant.
Except these blind folks desperately want to be able to identify pieces of a donkey but the beast they’re trying to put their hands on is bigger than a donkey, with far larger, sharper teeth and is really pissed off from being kicked around for more than a year. :-s
Well, it won’t work, of course.
Any comments from Sanders supporters on the endorsement or the chances that Bernie will ultimately hand over the list?
Haven’t seen anything yet indicating he’ll do it, but I’m not holding my breath. He has his own organization so we’ll see. All I know right now is that no one I know has been called and we’d all be on that list, and no one I know – and quite a few people I don’t know but see talking about it on twitter – have basically already said it will be a “Go fuck yourself” conversation when/if it happens.
Just can’t believe they thought that would even remotely be useful to them after the way they’ve treated this block of voters. Shows how completely willfully blind they truly are.
i realize there are probably a lot of good ol’ timey, fundamental marketing principles that apply to political organizing. but handing over a list of “leads” may not be one of them. there is absolutely no indication, no reason to believe, that a list of people who were Sanders supporters will be receptive to being spammed by the DNC.
The democrats really haven’t gotten over Sanders campaign. Authoritarians of all stripes have one thing in common, the desperate need to crush dissent. This challenge shocked them to the core and they want to grind it into inexistence. Twitter is still full of them mocking, denying and dissing anyone to the left of Clinton. They have, correctly, identified this as being an existential threat to everything they think should be theirs by right. It’s time for them to be disabused of their assumptions and accessing this list, if they do get it, will probably cause more than a few strokes when it does none of the things for them that they expect.
It will be interesting to see what they do with it once they figure that out.
The Glen Garry leads?
Having never seen the film or play I’d have to study it a bit to see how closely the analogy fits, but at first glance, yeah maybe.
Is it a sin to admit to not having seen that? :-)
“Is it a sin to admit to not having seen that? :-)”
no, but you should see it. the “lead” analogy didn’t strike me as that meaningful at first, but then the overarching premise of the story fits the Democrat/supporters, 2-party dynamic narrative, chasing something that will change everything but is always just out of reach.
Thanks for the insight/summary. Will have to see it now.
What’s wrong with being ‘anti-gay’ whatever that means? We DO live in the USA, don’t we? We are not West-Russia or North-Mexico or South-Canda and, if that’s the case, we can be anti-whatever-we-damn-please and proud of it.
For a sec’y of Ed to be anti-LGBTQRT (did I miss any required consonants?) is more of a qualification in my view and, you see… it’s irremediably deplorable people like me who got Trump elected so, as strange as it may seem, it’s kind of natural for Trump to nominate deplorable-leaning people for his cabinet rather than Hillary cultists or Obama worshippers.
As with A. Citizen’s post, below, this illustrates one of the key defects of our putative democracy: breathtakingly mean and stupid people are allowed to vote.
That wouldn’t be insurmountable, except that the capitalist system rewards the spreading of breathtakingly mean and stupid.
We all knew that. We miscalculated how far it had spread.
“We miscalculated”
“we” being… you and your pet rocks? I am sorry, I am not calling you ‘dumb’ or anything but, for some reason, people who claim to speak on behalf of some ‘we’ do sound dumb. Again, I am not saying that everyone who says ‘we’ is dumb. It’s possible that Doug Salzmann is not dumb but I can’t prove it.
Nobody is forcing your to vote.
It harms people and families; it literally destroys lives. Citizens should not be subjected to opprobrium or discriminatory laws on the basis of sexual orientation.
Exactly.
The rest of your comment is a string of inane non sequiturs.
Mona-
Like that link there, to ye olden tymes when King George was the threat. Today, I think its the soft force invasion of Israelification of American life, politics, and especially policing.
Or, how Israel killed real social change in America, buying off or blackmailing one cowardly SJW turd at a time:
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/from-occupation-to-occupy-the-israelification-of-american-domestic-decurity/
I could tell from your first sentence that you were a proud Trump voter.
Yes, mike, I did vote for Trump. Mainly because he was the ONLY one capable to stop Hillary. Bernie was a joke and so were the other GOPs. As I noted before at this site, now that he stopped Hillary (knock on wood) whatever else he does I am going to view as a bonus.
Q. What’s wrong with being ‘anti-gay’ whatever that means?
A. life recycles. next time around you may be born gay.
Q. We DO live in the USA, don’t we?
A. not only. you live on planet earth and it needs to be a good home for all humans.
Q. Are we not free to hate or execute or disallow any person we choose?
A. Life support is willed by God as an entitlement for all persons. Defying the will of God is a sin. God’s will is emboldened in te 10 commandments – not in the old testament which is the book of mistakes we were supposed to learn from.
Q. Doesn’t rejecting other people for how they are birthed make life better?
A. No. Acceptance of all others is the key to good success for real strength for genuine and good relationships.
You do realize the ten commandments are from the old testament? lol. But yeah, it also says “judge not, lest ye be judged.”
USA has this crazy thing called the constitution, which states that all men are created equal. Gays are here to say so get used to it moron.
Gays are here to say so get used to it moron.
I think you misread barabbas. He’s on your side and his answers to the questions he posed in his comment show that quite clearly.
barabbasWhile I am agnostic, I appreciate all of what you’ve written above. I forgive you for you earlier attempts at putting me back in the kitchen below. ;-}
“I forgive you for you earlier attempts at putting me back in the kitchen below. ;-}”
I see you barefoot, commando, and in the kitchen preparing pepper jelly, as a good thing …
yes. thanks.
Look barabbas, I do not wish to ‘execute’ anybody. You are building a straw man the size of the Everest here. In fact, I happen to be very much ‘pro life’ and consistently so: i.e. anti death penalty and anti war as well. However, I do find the constant and aggressive promotion of ‘gayness’, especially in schools undesirable. That’s why I do not find anything wrong with a sec’y of ed who may not get a hard on while watching a couple of guys anally-penetrating each other.
Arth, maybe you should seek a good psychiatrist and get some bigot conversion therapy.
Yeah, because those who aren’t anti-gay all get hard ons watching gay guys anally penetrating each other.
And because gays only ever have anal penetrative sex, of course…
You.Sir.are.a.Idjut.
Actually, I have to agree with you on this point. Less than one- percent of the population is gay, yet a gay friendly standard is being employed to evaluate the eligibility of potential candidates for the Secretary of Education? Fucking ridiculous! Let’s do a little thought experiment and pretend that the education of the remaining 99% of children who identify as heterosexual should be used as the metric in evaluating the merits of potential candidates. Maybe privately funded gay-friendly charter schools are the way to go on this issue.
“… the NHIS reported in July 2014 that 1.6 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent identify as bisexual. In a Williams Institute review based on an June–September 2012 Gallup poll, approximately 3.4 percent of American adults identify themselves as being LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). An earlier report published in April 2011 by the Williams Institute estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender. The 2011 Williams Institute report also states that 8.2 percent of Americans reported that they had engaged in same-sex sexual behavior, and 11 percent reported some same-sex attraction.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States
In the past fifty years, I have read numerous studies that have reported a wide range of contradictory claims (0.6 % to 16 %) as to what percent of the population is “homosexual.” In 1948, Alfred Kinsey published a claim that 10 % of the population was gay. A 1993 Janus Report estimated that nine percent of men were “gay.” Yet the UK’s Office for National Statistics (ONS) found, of those polled in Britain, 1.1% reported their identity as gay or lesbian. As young adults are more prone to experimentation, they tend to reflect higher numbers; in contrast, older established adults tend to report significantly lower claims of being gay.
i understand what you mean. There is a big difference between acceptance and promotion, like “recruitment”. I am aware that there is a tendency in males to push for sex moreso than relationships.
point accepted.
What’s wrong with being ‘anti-gay’ whatever that means? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal” “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens…nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Uh, remember these? These are some of the principles that lay behind that flag you like to wave so much to defend your perversion of freedom.
You do realize that we just elected Putin’s puppet and our well on our way to becoming West-Russia, right? You voted to abandon our democracy and join a Russian kleptocracy. Get used to it.
You do realize that we just elected Putin’s puppet
I am sorry Fred and I don’t mean to be disrespectful and I hope that I am not hurting your delicate feelings but anyone who keeps calling trump “Putin’s puppet” – because Hillary did so in a debate in order to immunize herself and her husband from the FACT that they took money from Russia in exchange for favorable treatment involving some Uranium transaction – …
Well… any such person is either a CTR stooge somehow still on the payroll and promoting… ‘nothing’ or some wingnut on his way to the koo-koo basket.
At the VERY least, Hillary and Obama would have appointed people QUALIFIED to serve in their appointed positions. You are a bigoted idiot.
What are you for?
My six year old used to be anti-PBJ, anti-carrots, … My six year old learned that it is more useful to know what one likes rather than just be anti-this and that!
I am for love, respect, non-aggression, empathy…
Like I said, I find whatever ‘gay’ people do rather disgusting but that’s just me. And I wish the gay promoters would be as discreet about their sex life as most non gay people are about theirs. I do not define myself by my race or sex habits or even income bracket. But that’s just deplorable me.
Heterosexual people aren’t particularly discreet about their sexual orientation. Heterosexuality is advertised all over our culture.
By contrast, many gay people still feel the need to actually hide their sexual orientation. Guess why?
I would like to ask the Intercept to ban the individual who is using my handle “JayZ” to post material attributed to me.
The person who posted:
“Like I said, I find whatever ‘gay’ people do rather disgusting but that’s just me. And I…”
under the handle “JayZ” in response to me (JayZ) is using my handle. This is a clear violation of the site’s policies.
Perhaps it is a mistake by this person?
One more thin….I do not judge what other people do. Moreover, I have not studied this, but I suspect that being discreet is not correlated with sexual orientation.
“What’s wrong with being ‘anti-gay’ whatever that means? We DO live in the USA, don’t we? We are not West-Russia or North-Mexico or South-Canda and, if that’s the case, we can be anti-whatever-we-damn-please and proud of it.”
you’ve answered your own question, but here, let me connect the dots you’ve already provided;
What’s wrong with ‘anti-gay’ as a matter of public policy?
What’s wrong with ‘anti-gay’ as a matter of public policy?
Is it hard to build these strawmen. Err… strawPERSONS? Oh well… I guess if you call opposition to allowing some bearded pervs to enter the little girls rooms whenever the feel like ‘anti gay’. Seriously, what anti gay PUBLIC POLICY are you talking about?
Arth, you have fallen for the pervs-allowed-into-girls’-restrooms confabulation. Private, unisex, one-stall bathrooms with locks on the doors have been around for decades allowing service for anyone with disabilities, children, transsexuals, or those afraid of the general-use restrooms. Businesses are coming under fire from the conservatives for installing more of those unisex, single-use bathrooms as a solution, but the conservatives don’t want solutions, they want to cry foul and provoke fear. Strange how this wasn’t a problem until the conservative made it a problem.
“anti gay” was your term, used in your own sentence. i included the direct quote in my post so you wouldn’t have to look a few inches higher to your original post.
are you now suggesting that public policy guided by an “anti-gay” sentiment or with an “anti-gay” purpose is something you’d find objectionable given the fact that, you know, this isn’t “West-Russia or North-Mexico or South-Canada” and such policy would be inherently anti-American?
Arth – what happens when you find yourself on the other end of the coin? It is ironic people in the US can be so unwilling to give their own citizens the same rights that they have (research gay rights in employment across states) yet an gun is held in such high regard.
What brings me a smile is knowing the country is getting more brown ethnically, more diverse in thought, more accepting to cultures – pro environment -etc. while old white males grow older and pass from this country with their outdated and provincial views.
“we can be anti-whatever-we-damn-please and proud of it.”
Just so I understand you Arth, are you saying that it would be okay to have a member of the KKK who was openly anti-black to become education secretary?
lol…amazing how you and your types make yourselves the victim every chance you get.
besides the fact that the most ardent anti anyone…is usually just a projection…it never occurs to your types that what someone does sexually consenting..is no ones business..so to publicly protest again only demonstrates projection since who is asking you to focus on others sex lives?
now..i dont care if your real sexual identity is homosexual…..but…even trump voters should understand that turn about is fair play and racists/bigots like you are fair game too…but…putting all that aside..could the real problem be that in a relatively short time the white male is going the way of the dinosaur?..(doesn’t matter that you think they walked around like pet dogs only 600 years ago)
lol
We make ourselves the victim? You guys are the ones whining about non-existent male/white privilege. My race is no one’s business, neither is my sex/gender. Why can you go out and protest against something I absolutely can’t change, when I can’t go out and protest something that I don’t believe is right. Now, I am not anti-gay, but saying someone doesn’t have the right to protest homosexuality is hypocritical, especially when you want to protest my race and gender/sex, which is none of YOUR business.
You can always go and join the Westboro Baptist Church’s anti-gay protests? No one stops them.
Hey Jade,
As bad as your punctuation, diction, and sentence structure are, their lack of merit pales in comparison to the failure of you logic. You truly have a gift for conflation, contradiction, and conjecture – which I guess is all right for a guy who has probably aspired to mediocrity (Cs) his whole life.. Lastly, the line about dinosaurs was especially effective in convincing us that it is you who is using your own feces to draw prehistoric pictographs on your bathroom walls. Remember: It is a dirty pterodactyl that would shit in its own nest.
“What’s wrong with being ‘anti-gay’ whatever that means?”
Substitute “anti-black” or “anti-man” or “anti-woman” or “anti-child” there.
It’s not a rights question. We have the right to be wrong and obnoxious. But if you really wanna know what’s *wrong* with it, I hope this helps.
“— has been designated an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
As Mother Jones pointed out:”
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Those are two hate organizations right there – The SPLC and Mother Jones. They hate everyone who doesn’t agree with their Marxist political ideology.
So please Jeremy, get a fucking clue.
It seems questionable, to me, whether an individual who believes that MJ & SPLC are Marxist entities is smart enough to be A. Citizen.
Douggie — I feel certain there’s a lot of bad blood in your lineage but please stop trying to show people how smart you pretend to be.
Glad someone said it-complete disillusionment
Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum and Editor Clara Jeffery were staunch, centrist, Hillary-all-the-way politicos. Drum is still pounding on the Sanders drum (pardon the pun) and Jeffery practically marinated in her hatred of millenials. There was nothing remotely Marxist about that magazine during the last political cycle, nor even before.
You beclown yourself labeling either the SPLC or Mother Jones as “Marxist.” And then abjure someone else to “get a fucking clue.”
Jesus. The stupid is strong in this one.
Count yourself lucky he didn’t call them ‘Cultural Marxists’.
A.Citizen has the political awareness of a boiled potato.
Once again Marxist is used as generic insult #294 in American political discourse to describe anyone even one millimeter from the political center.
My country has a party which identifies as Trotskyist Marxists with 14 seats in parliament, and trust me, noone in mainstream American politics are Marxists. The only time it’s ever used in America is when Bill O’ Reilley doesn’t like a political opponent and wants to insult them.
Is Mother Jones slightly left-leaning? Yes. If you really want you can call the SPLC left-leaning as well, but do yourself a favor and use correct terminology.
Thanks Jeremy for sticking to real facts instead of Democratic apparitions. Like Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta emails. Because the CIA said so.
Saying it was “clerical error” is like somebody screwing up a report on the computer then telling their boss it was a “technical error” or a warehouse employee forgetting to prepare a package then calling it a “shipping error”.
Once is an error. Years of error isn’t.
Since Senators are busy people, I emailed Senators Franken, Feinstein and Harris about the article.
So leaving aside the rather underwhelming ‘gotcha’ moment (Re 0 hrs ) what is the state of play in 8 years of Democrat led education reform , planning and oversight.
Well …. the word appalling comes to mind. Let’s have a look at the state California – Democrat / Liberal heartland.
California home to the Liberal elite just got there school report –
K-12 achievement: D+
School finance: D+
Chance for success: C
Overall grade: C-
“California’s fourth- and eighth-grade reading and math proficiency rates were all below 30 percent, ”
But its the richest state so how’s this disparity been created by the Liberal elite ?
“California’s Class of 2016 scored lower than the national average on SAT reading and math tests…”
“…most students failed to meet the standard expected for their grade.
Just 48% of students met or surpassed English standards.
An even lower 37% of students met or beat math standards.
The district (LA) tested more than 265,000 students. Of those 39%
met or surpassed English standards and 29% met or surpassed the math standard …
Historically African American data has trailed the overall average as have other minority groups – so the central question remains why hasn’t clear Democrat / Liberal education policy ended up with a dysfunction education system where the majority cannot reach basic standards of reading or math ?
Democrat / Liberal grandstanding on issues like race, gender , sexuality are a cover up for an appalling record.
There certainly needs to be a comprehensive and thoughtful account on how this the most important of issues moves forward to benefit us all.
Well, at least California can share its reputation for having horrible education with noted republican sh*thole Texas.
2016 Quality Counts Grading Summary for Texas.
K-12 achievement: C-
Chance for Success: C
School Finance: D
Overall Grade: C- Rank 42 in the nation.
Also, I hope you don’t forget Alabama, Louisianna, and Mississippi. Ranked as low or lower than California. Next time, moron, try to be a little less dishonest.
The difference as I pointed out was that California is the richest state and has been dominated at all levels by Democrat politics – Federal, State, City… I think everyone gets there exists generational poverty in Southern states that directly effects educational opportunity and achievement.
Making tokenistic comparisons on education between states that have demographic , economic and other fundamental differences shows an intellectual poverty and poorer understanding on complex issues.
Ironically by quoting and comparing Texas, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi is showing that the Democrat Federal Government in power for 8 years has failed to impact on education.
Next time, Einstein, try to be a little bit more intelligent.
Alain (aka Einsteinette), I live in TX and our state’s Republican, State Board of Education (Texas Education Agency) determines the curriculum, including the creationist-based text books utilized to degrade history and science education.
This piece just got more and more astounding in its implications as it went along. Betsy DeVos is Eric Prince’s sister? ERic Prince has been an advisor to the Transition Team? Well, now there’s a clue why Donald Trump was so sure he had more intel than the CIA, etc
You may have noted during this issue the lack of positive support from the people that do know the capabilities of Russian cybersecurity offense – the Defense Intel groups. As they are very well aware the Russians have far more sophisticated tools to undermine US security.
Google – Shadow Brokers , Equation Group.
As well Brennan and Clapper forgot conveniently they had their own email hacks from amongst others a 16 yr old kid in the UK (now 17)
Google – Teen Who Hacked CIA Email Is Back to Prank US Spy Chief Guardian
Real docs? It’s not Brokehuizen.
Try Broekhuizen.
None of the radical policies that Scahill noted about DeVoss in the article–particularly her anti-gay views–were discussed or even mentioned on NPR programming I heard all day today on the Iowa Public Radio network’s coverage of the DeVoss hearings. They mentioned vouchers and school choice, but not much else. Note the difference in the information we get from a genuine reporter, and what we get from state media.
The folks at NPR all seem to agree that she will be confirmed with little resistance from the Democrats.
This is why I looked up the full recording of the hearings and skipped around and listened to some of the questions myself. It also helps pulling up the video with several articles that point out some statements and trying to find the segment – to make sure you can make your own opinions on the original hearing. Thank goodness for technology and the internet, I cannot imagine how misinformed our predecessors were when someone felt like misinterpreting information to reflect their personal opinions.
Very scary world we live in. “Manufacturing Consent” was correct – but all you will hear from the right wing is the so-called phantom “liberal bias.” It is a classic tactic pulled straight from Goebbels: accuse your opponents of what you are guilty of, loudly and often.
Thanks for this.
Seriously, we also need more citizen journalists reporting on the media in exactly this way.
yes, I heard the report on Morning Edition and it was a study in fake neutrality.
Just one example: in introducing the hearings, NPR smoothly floats the notion that the phrase “failing schools” is an objective designation rather than a familiar rhetorical construction created to sell all the kinds of crap DeVoss advocates (but also all the kinds of crap advocated by the Cory Booker types too). NPR pulls this kind of stuff all the time – their arguments are hidden in their vocabulary choices while they pretend to be above all frays.
There need to be a term in what NPR does. In describing in social circles during political debates, i use the phrase “under-reporting.” The real eye open for me, I’m 31, was NPR coverage of the original Snowden leaks and the skepticism and est. talking points re: lives in danger, Snowden fled to a hostile country etc.
This style of reporting, where NPR paints a specific picture, leaving out important context, is very dangerous. On one hand you have a conservative outlet in Fox news; whose bias is very direct. On the other hand you have NPR, who is pretends to be “un-bias.” Whether its reporting on Snowden, Trumps presidential campaign, or now Devos, they never take a stand as an organization for the actual TRUTH and cherry pick which facts to present and paint a picture to their audience. This journalistic style, IMO, is far more dangerous than the direct bias presented by MSM outlets like Fox, because NPR is a subtle subversive style which under reports and refuses to take a stance in any position; creating a climate of complicity and on the surface uses the excuse of being impartial.
There need to be a term in what NPR does.
National Propaganda Radio.
As Clapper and others have already demonstrated, there is no punishment or sanction if you lie to the Senate, and you are high enough in the power structure.
The plutocracy lives. And is alive and well in Washington.
I noticed on the 990 that was produced in evidence that – 0 hours per week were devoted to the running of the organization. That would clearly indicate that there is at least a clear problem with the op de that presents as “gotcha” moment.
Im also have some doubts, quite often really of using partisan organisations in bolstering ones opinion. (Mother Nature, SPLC) . Although of course this cannot be avoided.
I’m also not sure where the term Christian zealot fits in but I am cautioned when these types of vilification language appears in articles supposedly “attacking” bigotry. I would simply be reminded that prejudice is not confined to one side of an argument.
In the end the article fails to convince by substantive logical reasoning it presumes that because a person is Christian they are somehow fundamentally opposed to LGBT community – that a son or daughter emphatically believes and follows her parents beliefs and in the end the 990 evidences no decision making capacity because as it clearly sets out – no time was spent on that organisations work.
Please don’t tell me that the NEA actually supports this person.
They don’t.
http://edadvocacy.nea.org/nea/app/write-a-letter?7&engagementId=264253
Vote on confirmation without properly vetting? If that’s the case, why even bother to have a hearing and then look ridiculous?
Lamar Alexander wouldn’t allow it…
Just more insanity from the hate-filled fascists on the left.
The hate-filled fascists clearly control the RIGHT. Get your facts straight.
Rick: you’re delusional. Fascism is on the right of the political spectrum. Your home schooling roots are showing.
She lied. What’s insane about calling it out?
Hey, Rick…get that fact out of texas school text book?
This DeVos lie sounds very similar to the lies Huma Abedin told about not having an “active” role on an Islamic journal that took let’s say a skeptical view on female “empowerment”.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/huma-abedin-denies-active-role-at-radical-muslim-journal/
http://uk.businessinsider.com/huma-abedin-muslim-magazine-2016-8?r=US&IR=T
Senate seeks deal on Trump nominees
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/314912-senators-looking-for-deal-on-trump-nominees
Ah, yes, the American version of the Loyal Opposition.
We know to whom and what they owe loyalty, but I keep getting confused about the “opposition” part.
Now, the important question: If we tied Feinstein and Schumer back-to-back, should we drop them off the Verrazano–Narrows Bridge or the Golden Gate?
Considering how far they sway with the political winds, I’d suggest lashing them to the Tacoma Narrows bridge.
Ah, excellent! After dragging them back to 1940, of course.
Galloping Gertie
You could cut each one vertically down the middle and ecumenically feed the sharks under both bridges. They are in desperate need of food. Perhaps the feeding could be timed to coincide with the coronation.
The Form 990-PF does not just refer to board members, it also refers to key employees. She was not on the board she was the vice-president of the company.
Investigative reporting is not just regurgitating what was already said in public comment in an open hearing, last time I checked. Why don’t you go FIND SOME SHIT OUT FOR YOURSELF, Jeremy, and do the public a real favor. The narcissistic and un-fresh act of being the epitome of the latte liberal got old at least 3-4 years ago. Not to mention the blackwater type reporting was probably needed around the Vietnam era, which was forty-ish years ago, and here in 2017, the stuff people on the street want to know about is, literally and figuratively both, far off.
i just learned that Betsy deV family have supported the repuber potty with $200M investments over the years. Also i am becoming aware that this torcher could be looking to garner earnings by mutating public schools to private profit.
that’s what THIEVES do.
“Not to mention the blackwater type reporting was probably needed around the Vietnam era”
Was blackwater in operation back in Vietnam era? What kind of reporting is that?
. . .shouts a semi-literate moron at one of America’s most celebrated and respected investigative journalists, a guy who, still in his early 40s, has won a couple of Polk Awards, more Project Censored awards than I can count, an Izzy or two, and one of the very first Windham Campbell prizes for non-fiction.
Stupid and nasty combine for a very bad look, exotish.
“semi-literate moron” . Damn, Doug, you are being too kind to this fuckhead. These trolls remind me of the slugs I tried to avoid stepping on when I saw them on the sidewalk. Geezus.
Okay, you don’t like Scahill, and you’re getting a little irrational about it (” Not to mention the blackwater type reporting was probably needed around the Vietnam era, which was forty-ish years ago . . .). Think it all the way through next time.
Funny you should mention Blackwater (now Xe) as Betsy Prince DeVos’ brother Erik Prince runs that outfit of hired killers.
I’m SURE that you supported investigative reporting either during the Vietnam War or the buildup to the Iraq War last decade.
Will someone tell the good Christian that lying is a sin.
For all those times when a bear interrupted the Calculus lesson. This woman could not be less qualified. The entire cabinet confirmation process is a joke. Nobody was vetted. It’s a disgrace.
It’s my understanding that any senator can put a hold on a nominee indefinitely. I think that a number of these cabinet nominees are so dangerous that the Senate should consider putting them on hold. DeVos should obviously never be allowed near the DoE. She has no qualifications, she has an ulterior agenda of privatizing the public school system and diverting taxpayer funds to religious schools. Plus she refuses to comply with ethics requirements and she lied to the Senate. If they don’t have the votes to reject her outright, just put her on hold forever.
The Dems should start to fight back. Put them ALL on hold, no exceptions, until the Rethugs let Obama’s SOTUS be allowed confirmation hearings (and I’m against that guy). Even making a deal on allowing three right away is ridiculous. The Dems HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE by obstructing, because they already lost everything. But capituating is their natural response, and they are genetically cowards.
Agreed with everything you wrote. They should delay for as long as possible.
@pm61 Unfortunately I don’t think this is correct. Each nominee needs 51 votes for approval, except for Mettis who needs 60 to bypass that civilian thing. But the Democrats should still force dozens of hours of debate for every single candidate.
Like Mass Independent, not at all a fan of Garland (or Obama for that matter) but the GOP refusing to hear his nom is completely outrageous. Democrats should extend the confirmation of all Trump nominees, including all Federal justices at all levels, for the maximum possible time.
For Trump’s SCOTUS replacement, they’ll need confirmation by 60 votes. 46 Dems in the Senate, so if they have any balls at all Trump’s nominee should be blocked until 2018, 2020…for as long as the GOP can’t get 60 votes. To allow a sitting Dem’s nominee to be blocked for a year, then let the GOP prez pick the replacement instead is a complete shirking of duty, fairness, and balls. Same would apply if the Dem’s had blocked a sitting GOP’s pick (first). Outrageous and payback is required.
But capituating is their natural response, and they are genetically cowards.
They may be cowards, but the capitulation is because that’s what they want. The wheel only ratchets in one direction and it isn’t to the left. That is by design.
It’s time for people to see this for what it is, a ruling class slowly but surely implementing exactly the policies they want. The fact that some of them make mild, periodic demurrals is nothing but obfuscation at this point. This should become very, very clear as Trump’s nominees mostly sail through the senate with only peripheral objections and faux “fights” that lead to nothing but what the Republicans demand (with a few cosmetic adjustments).
The article I referenced above is, quite literally, that process in motion.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/314912-senators-looking-for-deal-on-trump-nominees
Erik Prince must be like: “Scahill !!!!”
They could’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those meddling kids at The Intercept.
wrong column
Nope.
Jose is correct, as usual.
‘scuse me but did the nominee for Secretary of Education just say the dog ate her homework?
Boy ,, the Status Quo people really are afraid of this Trump character .
I’m starting to wonder why all this 24/7 ranting ?
It’s has to be more than just a bunch of political hacks&lobbyists&journalists losing their connections . Even the CIA is pissed. What’s with that ?
And they owe it all to DEBORAH WASSERMANN SCHULTZ !!!
I know that it’s a really hard concept to grab, but: Defeat of Hillary Clinton GOOD…election of Donald Trump BAD.
If you think about it Nete ,,, the Democratic Party elected Donald Trump .
They could have run a roast beef sandwich and beat Trump .
The arrogant bastards got what they deserved . Course the rest of us will pay a lot more than the party elites .
Right on, Mudbone. The elites of the party don’t really give a crap for the rank and file beyond exploiting them for their vote, and haven’t in decades. Their concern for the working class is as phony as the day is long. Clinton, Podesta and other upper echelon remnants of the party already have theirs, and will simply go on their merry way with nary a hitch, back to their foundations, promising book deals and multi-million dollar consulting jobs, although it’s hard to fathom anyone wanting John Podesta’s advise about anything after he engineered such a historic ass kicking.
Absolutely correct, the Dems did get Trump elected. And, BAD Trump does NOT equal GOOD Hillary. They both suck terribly.
But the Dems are not the ones to lead the opposition, that is clear. And they should be told that the rest of us are not going to rally around a bunch of sell out LOSERS. It has to be an effort independent of the Dems. With Schumer already making deals to capitulate, and the Dems having chosen him and Pelosi as Senate and House leaders, well, they want nothing to change, especially with their hands out to donors. Bernie should have run Independent, because many would want him to lead now. But I no longer have much enthusiasm for him with his total coopting by the Dem elites. What a waste.
God knows that NOBODY worked as hard to deeat Donald Trump as…Donald Trump.
24/7 ranting? More like 24/7 trolling from the Trump bots. You idiots are all over the Internet in the comment sections and it’s not surprising given his base of uneducated, rural folk who are most likely unemployed. Maybe once he builds a “wall” you’ll get your unskilled job back? That’s what you’re thinking, huh? In the meantime, back to your meth pipe and Breitbart.
In the excerpt from the tax form, the ‘average hours per week devoted’ is 0 for the President and two Vice Presidents. So perhaps the work didn’t make a lasting impression on Ms. DeVos.
Scattered below, one can find silly claims that Betsy might not have been lying, since she could have been VP without being on the BOD. Given the intent of the conflict-of-interest concerns and questions, that, of course, would be a distinction without a difference, or to put it in terms everyone can understand: fucking nonsense.
However, for those who cling to such feeble excuses, it might be a good idea to take a look at the 990PF (2014) for the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation dated March 15, 2016 (apparently for tax year beginning 7/1/2014 and ending 6/30/2015):
Prince 990PF 2014
Please note Part VIII, Line 1, where “all officers, directors, trustees, foundation managers” are listed. It seems that the directors consisted of one president, four vice presidents (including Ms. DeVos) and on secretary-treasurer. If any of the officers were not directors, one would expect the designations to be separated.
Absolutely correct!
There are some claims that the fall or Rome was promulgated by the stupidity of wide swath of citizens – apparently due to lead in the water. I don’t know if this is true or not, but I do know that some people have consumed and digested the Cool-Aid.
Betsy was lying! Just like Trump lies. Just like the rest lie.
Before somebody jumps in with whataboutery, let me say it. Yes, Hillary lied, Obama lied, ….
Get incensed about the lies. Don’t excuse your favorite liar because someone else lied. That is very much like drinking leaded water!
Oh ,,,JayZ ,,,please not Hillary ! Good Lawd ,,, the woman was on her way to Sainthood . Say it’s not so Jay .
Next think you know someone will say ” Bill Clinton Inhaled ” .
Remember Kellyanne Conway’s statement that we shouldn’t interpret Donald literally, but instead listen to his heart? That lyin’, cheatin’ heart.
I don’t know but I’m curious. Have we seen her tax returns? If she was PAID for work as a VP then it wasn’t a clerical error.
Education has always been a trade off. Citizens should be educated enough to do their jobs, but not so educated that they develop critical thinking skills. Public education has traditionally done a very good job in this regard.
But it seems reckless to provide free education (which will increase the number of educated citizens) at a point in time where unemployment is about to drastically increase. That would seem to be a recipe for revolution. If it takes private schools to combat the threat of education, I say give them a try.
Critical thinking is not the aim or the result of a public education . Memorizing what is taught and being able to repeat it on tests is the aim of public education . Public education teaches you the thought process required to reach society’s accepted conclusions . . It never goes never goes into the realm of the thought process itself .
The first critical thought should always be ” Why do I think ? “
Public education teaches and promotes critical thinking skills.
Yeah…the Right INSISTED on standardized testing in public schools…they needed to drag them down to the level of Charter Schools.
Ever heard of State Regent Exams . And what about the SAT’s ? Look ,,, public education has always been test oriented .
My grades in , high , undergrad , and grad school were determined by test scores . It was not until I was given an unsolved problem to work on for the Doctoral Dissertation that I found myself questioning not only the results , but also the methods of fashionable science .
The problem is still unsolved , but what a kick the search was !!
Betsy DeVos is a neo Nazi “clerical” error
I am no fan of Trump or DeVos. I view DeVos’s lies as reason enough to oppose her. HOWEVER, your analogy is offensive. The Dutch suffered greatly under the Nazis. Most people of Dutch descent would be very upset at this.
(It should be noted that a major theological influence on the Dutch Reformed was one Abraham Kuyper. His party and
another neo Nazi trump appointee
Just more fake news from Jeremy.
Haven’t you heard? Fake news doesn’t have nearly the impact people have been claiming.
Bonus quote (my emphasis):
The only question remaining is whether Cass Sunstein is a liar or an overeducated ignoramus. I vote for the former.
http://www.poynter.org/2017/did-fake-news-help-elect-trump-not-likely-according-to-new-research/445724/
Or both. My vote.
Sunstein is a piece of work. Of all his many strange ideas (especially for an American law professor), this is my favorite:
I wonder if Cass is a willing to discard Marbury today, on the eve of a Trump administration, as he was in 2006.
He’s a piece of work, fer sure. Right up there with that sociopathic bitch he married.
I don’t think he gives two shakes of his own tail for Marbury no matter who’s in charge of the government because he’ll always have protection. His myopic vision is part of the 1% mantra. And his wife gets off on killing brown people, hanging off Henry Kiddinger’s arm and politely pronouncing on how mayhem is good for the world. :-s
More fine work, Jeremy – thank you. One less cretin in the next cabinet – bye-bye, DeVos.
Some food for thought:
Why does the author hate women?
Isn’t that what anyone criticizing Hillary was accused of? And anyone criticizing Obama was a racist, no?
Right now, we have a statement, a document that seems to contradict it, and an unlikely but possible explanation of said document (people often do not change letterhead for WAY too long). Go prove she lied, and I’ll support locking her up for perjury. Otherwise, this is just a hit piece with nothing in it (the intro read more like a editorial than a news article, btw).
The author of this has the tax documents proving it…. what further proof do you require?
It wasn’t a letterhead. It was legal tax documents. Plural. Covering many years.
You understand there are legal penalties for putting incorrect information into tax documents, don’t you? That’s why this bit of verbiage appears right above where you have to sign:
https://js.pdffiller.com/index.html#/users/68415425/forms/91593626/edit?jstoken=a51862c635a81d90f0c5d50874738007&viewer=68415425
Ok – so you’ll lock up some junior clerk in some “institution” you’ve never heard of before for perjury. If you do that though, you exonerate her of any perjury for this issue.
Fact is we don’t know whether she lied, or the form had an error. Prove one or the other, and we can proceed from there.
Until then, un-sourced statements like “religious Christian zealot”, and “militant anti-gay agenda” just make people tune out from what you’re saying – even if it turns out to be correct eventually.
so you’ll lock up some junior clerk in some “institution” you’ve never heard of before for perjury.
Are you really stupid enough to believe that a junior clerk would be filing major tax documents for a prominent organization?
You should be sure to get help filling out your 1040EZ form each year. I’m not sure you’re capable.
Whoever filed it, you can be pretty sure it wasn’t the nominee. If, whoever that person is, is it that important to see them go to jail in the event it is a clerical error? If it isn’t, and the nominee really did lie to congress, then I’ll support a perjury charge.
All I’m saying is investigate first, and keep the editorializing to a minimum until then. I get it – she’s not someone you’d pick for the position, but elections have consequences, and the choice is not yours to make. I didn’t support Trump either.
These tax documents are “legal” documents that must be verified as to the information being correct and signed by an officer of the BOD (usually the president) in order for them to be filed with the government. You are really stretching it to assume that this could be a “simple clerical error!”
Do political groups pay you kids from 4chan to try and start flame wars, or are you really that bored?
It’s hardly a flame war. More like pablum dribbling from the pursed lips surrounding the silver spoon. :-s
Ha! True dat. You’d think there would be some creativity to trolling by now.
could you have some dignity, please? The Intercept is a blog regularly critical of the Democrats (especially their line on Russia) and i don’t think anyone here is the kind of milquetoast liberal strawman you’re trying to knock down.
Fair enough. I merely mentioned it because if we’re ever to bridge the partisan divide, it’s necessary to realize that “our side” is no saint either.
In my original response, I posted in the same manner as conservatives were responded to on reservations for people like Van Jones, and Reverend Wright.
It’s because I now see both sides are guilty of this stuff, that I am trying to warn you now, and am pleading for this cycle to stop.
Find proof, and I’ll support conviction. Until then, refrain from stories like this that call people “zealots”, “bigoted”, and “liars”.
You’re trying to “warn us now,” eh? Thanks, but I certainly don’t need your help with this little problem you’ve cooked up in your head. You think this about the Blue team and the Red team. Wrong. “Conviction” for what? You’re getting ahead of yourself, aint ya? You keep on keepin’ on, doing your watchdog thing and all, but you’re already in over your head.
This is obvious concern trolling. Go back to Breitbart – or dust off that cover letter and be productive, son.
Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread (haven’t read it all), but so far from commentators and the article, you’re the first person who’s mentioned any desire to jail her for perjury. That desire is different than whether she lied. Obviously as Clapper showed us, someone can both have obviously lied, and also not be convicted of perjury. Or even fired.
I appreciate your skepticism and apparent objective iconoclasty, and certainly there are a few possibilities you’ve mentioned where she may not have lied. (Including perhaps, she believes what she’s saying even if she’s factually wrong).
People hated Obama because he was black, muslim (he’s not), the anti-christ (he’s not), etc. People have legitimate concerns about DeVos. They’re two completely different situations!
Drain the Swamp ha ha
Strange the same clerk made the same mistake in filings with the state of MI, listing her as a board member in 2015.
http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/results.asp?ID=827092&offset=0&page_name=corp
http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/results.asp?ID=827092&page_name=corp
Fortunately, someone came along yesterday to “correct” the filings. You’ll find her listed in the 2015 annual report, and then unlisted just above.
is there no end to this woman’s blatant attempt to mislead the public for her own gains? sickening.
is there anyway to screen shot those links? You need a a password to view it. Only shows a filing but not the document.
Go to either of the links (one for each foundation). Click the camera icon (?) to the left of the 2015 Annual Report. A Java applet should pop up with the two page images inside. The first page is the filing form; the second the list of directors. Just in case it doesn’t work for you, I dropped screen shots here: https://postimg.org/gallery/2det9akyg/
It may not be believable but that doesn’t make it impossible. Stranger things have happened than a longstanding clerical error. The way I see it is surely there must be some information out there to indicate whether she in fact acted in the capacity of a Vice President; in substance, and not just on paper. Get to work journalists!!
He just did Nate.
If a filed tax doc is not enough to prove she is lying then nothing produced will ever satisfy you.
You dont want to be convinced. Period.
She is lying, next!
What an absurd response. Filling out a tax form wrong does not immediately make one a liar.
And why would I not want to be convinced? Please, explain to me my own motive!!
One year, probably, multiple years, fat chance.
Ultimately, unless there is some more compelling evidence that she’s lying, this isn’t going anywhere. It raises questions, but right now it’s not enough.
There are several other individuals listed as Vice President on those tax records that appear unrelated to her family (Emilie Wierda, Eileen Ellens, and Robert Haveman). If I was a reporter, I’d be knocking on their doors and asking questions. Jane Mayer covered the DeVos family in her book “Dark Money” so perhaps she will find some answers.
I find it hard to believe that, if she was indeed a VP of the foundation (substance over form), there wouldn’t be other documentation out there corroborating this.
Hmmm….it appears Wierda and Ellens are family and Haveman is a family advisor. So much for that lead
” Please, explain to me my own motive!!”
It is called contrarianism.
Don’t confuse skepticism with contrarianism.
Misdirection
“Filing “wrong” does not make one a liar” Were was it ever stated except at the conformation hearing that anything was”wrong”
And the issue was not one of filing wrong or other wise, it was the sufficiency of evidence brought forth from Jeremy that you did not accept.
You raised the bar and wanted “more” then the several years of returns showing her officer status.
And no you are not skeptical you are a contrarian. If you were you would have at least see that it was now up to De Voss to refute by more then a laughable statement of “being wrong” on several tax returns.
Instead you demanded that the Journalists “do their job”
Also refrain from personal attacks “absurd” my ass.
You consider calling something “absurd” a personal attack? You’re going to have a tough time around here, Mikey.
But you completely disregard the possibility that it could indeed have been a long-running error that the tax preparer pencil whipped annually. This woman being listed on a tax form as a VP is indeed legitimate and raises serious questions. You claim I do not accept the sufficiency of it, but I do. Had she not addressed this accusation then I’d agree she’d lied. But that’s not the case; she’s now saying it was an error, and went as far to officially amend and correct paperwork. You cannot just disregard this action and the possibility that she could be telling the truth.
The burden of proof that this woman is a liar lays with the accuser. Journalists, especially Jeremy since he is the most blunt and accusatory, need to follow up on this and seek evidence corroborating (or disputing) that she indeed exerted influence over the donations. If they do so, then they’ll have made a convincing argument. So no, this isn’t being a contrarian or “raising the bar,” but simply affording this woman the same treatment and standard of evidence that I’d provide someone that I respect. Also, I get a kick out of some of you harping on contrarianism, as if it is some disgusting practice. You do realize that TI provides a largely contrarian view right!?
So yes, if Jeremy Scahill is going to call this woman a liar, he needs to be at the forefront of following up on this woman’s retort that this was a clerical error. I’m really not asking for the world here.
“I get a kick out of some of you harping on contrarianism, as if it is some disgusting practice.”
Contrarianism is not a desirable trait. (see Monty Python argument sketch)
As Tomas notes, she said,
““I never made decisions on my mother’s behalf.””
She provides an answer to a question that wasn’t asked. That is called a non-responsive answer. (see ‘contrarianism’ above)
Why would she just not simply answer the question?
She was coached to give that answer, IMO. That is what lawyers get paid to do.
I noticed that she said that, but I didn’t fall for it. As I said below:
In my view, what’s critical for making any accusations of deception stick is not demonstrating that she made the final decision, but that she influenced the foundation’s decisions.
And that is exactly why follow-up is needed to resolve this matter.
“I noticed that she said that, but I didn’t fall for it.”
You are a non-responsive contrarian. You ‘noticed’ she provided an answer to a question that was not asked as a means to avoid the question that was asked … and you “didn’t fall for it.” WTF
are you an adult? really, because kiddy-time is wasted time.
That almost makes sense.
A quality way to end a discussion.
What “discussion”?
You are saying ‘no she didn’t’ when she gave a non-responsive answer. (that means her lips moved and sound came out but she did not respond to the question)
You mimic the Python sketch with uncanny accuracy.
I’ve made very clear my standard of evidence to prove she lied to the Senate. Predictably, you cannot keep up. Attributing fake quotes to me, saying nonsensical things like “non-responsive contrarian,” and alluding to Monty Python sketches doesn’t really move the conversation forward. I think you know this and perhaps it explains why you go out of your way to engage me and why I don’t reciprocate.
That is the point! There is no conversation with you. When a government agency replies to a FOIA with documents that do not address directly the request, the agency is said to be ‘non-responsive’. It is reprehensible behavior, and not uncommon, when an agency has some issue they don’t want to disclose yet someone has asked about it.
The gist of the Python sketch is mockery of contrarian people who claim, for a fee, to be arguing in good faith. Here it is; watch it.
Contrarianism is not skepticism, as you seem to believe.
I paraphrased you with ‘single’ marks; it was not a direct quote as the “double quote” would be.
I note your posts with morbid curiosity; literally.
Another example of you making things up. I never said that. I warned that they shouldn’t be confused.
Yet you try to lecture me on arguing in good faith. Proper use of paraphrases typically involve being careful to capture the same original meaning. You failed at that. Also, I don’t know what grammar guide you follow that says paraphrases are contained within single quotation marks. I think you just don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Nor does trying to muddy the waters by going off on irrelevant tangents about federal agency treatment of non-responsive contents related to FOIA requests. That has zero to do with what I’ve said. It further shows me that you’re either generally confused or trying to obfuscate your way through the conversation.
And by literally you mean figuratively. You are hopeless nuf said…
“During Tuesday’s hearing, the Democratic senators protested Republican chair Lamar Alexander’s unprecedented ruling that senators would only be permitted one round of questioning.”
From WP:
“Over and over, he said he was sticking to the “rules” set for President Obama’s two education secretaries, Arne Duncan and John B. King Jr. and some past education nominees: Every member would get five minutes to ask questions, but only the chairman and the committee’s top Democrat, Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, could get an extra five minutes.”
So is it really unprecedented?
” The Democrats should go to town on this obvious attempt to mislead the Senate.”
The Democrats JUST DID go to town on that. Now, it is the media’s turn to report it (obviously, you just did). After that, it is the public’s opportunity to ignore it — which they will.
Maybe stop blaming “The Democrats” when the problem is actually that the public just doesn’t care as much as you want them to.
Maybe stop blaming “The Democrats” when the problem is actually that the public just doesn’t care as much as you want them to.
The public does not get to approve or disapprove presidential appointees.
Were you aware that democratic senator Cory Booker was on the board of Betsy DeVos’s anti-union, pro-charter, pro-voucher Koch/Walton/Olin-funded organization while he was the “Honorable” mayor of Newark? He had this to say about that,
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10028488511
The democrats are working hand-in-glove with these people.
Cory Booker needs to be exposed.
http://observer.com/2017/01/cory-booker-establishment-liberal-clinton/
In 2014, The Washington Post reported Booker shared 74 campaign donors with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, more than any other opposing-party members of Congress. The shared donors included Comcast Senior Vice President Lawrence Salva and Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt.
Yes because he is being touted as the next democratic savior for 2020.
Cory Booker is not your friend:
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/139825/cory-booker-not-friend
touché!
(Curtsying in my skirt, perfect make-up and heels while juggling a casserole hubby and pomtini for myself)
It’s possible that the lord commandedeth her to lie like a rug for the greater good.
Jeremy Scahill will be starting a new podcast on 1/25: “Intercepted.”
Does Betsy DeVos suffer from “beat woman” syndrome?
Women are made to live thru the eyes of their mate – that how it is. This is where the loyalty of a woman comes from and it really is a good thing. This is also why the wrath of a scorned woman is so treacherous because betrayal is like water into hot oil.
Women who stand by their man who cheat on them become “beat”. Same with physical or emotional abuse. The woman will internalise that abuse and rebrand it as good behavior. This is not to say that Betsy has experienced being cheated on or abused. Nevertheless, freedom of choice of education for one’s children at the expense of taking public ownership of equal resources by denying our ONE BOAT relationship as a an act of divorce akin to allowing secession.
This sort of money or color caste system is just another flavor of evil that the founders of the US fought against.
I’d like to invite you to explain that to a gathering of some of my women friends. Let me know when it’s convenient. I just need a little time to place the cameras and microphones — and the First Aid kit.
Yes, be sure to send plenty of invites to me too!
I believe his barabbas’ blood type is O-. Better get plenty on standby as well. ;)
ok. thanks a lot.
By design, what i say is true. There are exceptions from birth and also environmental pressures that can change that.
By default, commonly, 1to1 relationships (man/woman) a female is like that – this does NOT mean unequality or servitude and the like. It does mean that a woman absorbs her mates perspective about things, steps into his shoes so to speak.
meanwhile, keep the first aid kit handy, i can take quite a whipping without striking back.
Women are made to live thru the eyes of their mate – that how it is.
It’s been a long time since Home Ec classes taught us to greet our husbands at the door in skirts, full makeup, aprons and with a casserole in our hands. My husband, who is European and seven years younger than me would laugh long and loud at you if you tried to feed him that utter bullshit.
Monday was our 17th anniversary and he spent 20 minutes making me blush by telling a new acquaintance how much smarter he thinks I am than him. I am blessed.
Doug you can put up the first aid kit. It would be downright embarrassing to get caught punching down at this poor relic of days-gone-by. :-s
this is NOT a matter of obedience nor subordination
it is a matter of rooting, ahhhh… attachment?
women are more empathetically inclined than men.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY – ….. WARS.
i do beg you all to understand.
please think on it.
and thank you for the feedback.
better example
take 1000 relationships man-woman
500 the man cheat woman finds out
500 vice versa
what i say is the 500 where the man cheated will suffer significantly less divorces than the other.
i feel bad for Hillary. i believe that bill’s wanderings tossed her into an alternate reality that she had to contrive and make a home and i believe it caused her to lose the tethers that made the differences in the emphasis of priorities, what really mattered, that she was unable to convey her attachment of like-marriage to the people, she was denied that personal touch of intimacy.
women are more empathetically inclined than men.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY – ….. WARS.
It would be interesting to see if there have been any studies on the differences in empathy between men and women. My own observations are inclined to line up with yours, but that’s purely anecdotal and, while I admit there is some value to anecdotes, in general I am by training much more inclined to want evidence of a more complete and objective nature.
Having said all of that, an looking at your more emphatic declaration, I would propose to you that of the women who have finally reached a pinnacle where they can impact war policy, at least those in American history, they all seem to have had their empathy genes surgically removed. The two who most prominently come to mind, Clinton and Albright, are hardly anything I want my side of the chromosomal divide claiming for the purpose of showing how much more compassionate we may be.
yes.
here’s a starter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4136312/A-fifth-men-don-t-feel-guilty-one-night-stands.html
There is nothing like being in command of your facts and having great timing.
There is little to compare with direct action in the name of democracy (and sanity).
Most of the coverage – and I railed when PBS ignored her family ties when the team made the original announcement – still ignores these fun family stories.
Congratulations on a job well (extraordinarily) done.
America has embraced a ‘post-truth’ era. Lies are common and accepted. Consequently, we wallow in deception and obfuscation even as we struggle to glean truth about issues of little or no importance. While we argue and fuss over gay and abortion issues, (hot potatoes that no elected official in his right mind will touch), the oligarchs plot new military adventures that will inevitably lead America to military and financial ruin. Nobody cares about that either.
And so the world watches America as our grand experiment in self-governance circles the drain of history. The only thing greater than our vane belief in US exceptionalism will be our fall. Humpty Dumpty is slipping from his perch and our enemies are studying their recipes for omlettes.
What’s really important?
and that’s me, hollering from the choir loft….
There are people serving 10 years in federal prison for significantly lessor “clerical errors.”
Most people Congress send their children to plush private schools with small class sizes, extensive attention, all the latest technology, private tutors on demand, and – most importantly – access to networks of insiders, smooth transition into Ivy League circles, from their into equally plush corporate and government jobs. It’s like the old European aristocratic system of patronage and privilege, well-greased by campaign donations and insider relationships.
So they don’t give a damn about the low quality of education available to most American children, the overcrowded public schools, the con-artist for-profit charter schools, the huge student loans most college students end up saddled with – it’s not their world, who gives a shit about the plebes? Let’s take a jaunt to Saudi Arabia and kiss the ass of the new king, that’s far more important than fixing inner city or rural schools. Welcome to your Congress, at least about 75% of them.
Sure, Betsy DeVos is a lunatic right-winger who is likely to promote climate science denial and refuse to acknowledge evolution (her husband promotes “intelligent design”) – both practical issues, since that’s how the evolution of antibiotic resistance works and that’s why buying coastal property in Florida as a family asset is not the best idea. . . Never mind being able to understand what an adjustable interest rate is when talking to some sleazy bankster about a loan. So what’s in store?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-first-100-days-science-education-and-schools/
It’s worth pausing for a moment and recalling that in the pre-Civil War South, it was a crime to teach a slave to read and write. Education was restricted to the slaveowners, aka the ruling class.
or read W.E.B. Dubois’s Galileo Galilei on why vocational / technical training alone was not good enough for black Americans. White philanthropists were happy to fund it lavishly. A proper classical education for black Americans? Not so much. Dubois explains why it is that elites love “practical training”, and nothing but, for the underclass so much.
The present generation of educational “reformers” who want children and college students tested on “competencies” and given “experiential learning” but never to be fostered in pursuing more theoretical and expansive kinds of thinking and considering: they never want those Gradgrindy educations for their own children, of course.
Dubois explains why it is that elites love “practical training”, and nothing but, for the underclass so much.
Yes. Brilliant. For a more recent take on this, in the language that it deserves, it’s hard to beat George Carlin on the American Dream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ
The 990s do not indicate that she participated in board meetings, they only list her as vice president. The “meeting minutes” would list who was in attendance at the meetings.
Perhaps her mom listed her on the org chart early on for any number of reasons but DeVos never actually attended any of the meetings or made any of the decisions.
Then, is the only complaint that can be made against her that she should have used her partially authority (minority vote?) to stop the donations, assuming she knew about them?
The Southern Poverty Law Center is not reliable.
Agreed.
Well then let’s see the meeting minutes. The complaint that can be made against her is that she lied to congress.
When you give the car keys to your drunken 12 year old son, don’t be surprised when he smashes it into a tree.
The Republican Senate refused to vote on Scalia’s replacement, hailed Jeff Sessions as a grand appointment as Attorney General, praised Rex Tillerson as a wonderful choice for Secretary of State, and generally act like nincompoops when in front of the cameras and now, just because she told a big fat lie, the Republican Senate can “justifiably quash[]” another Dominionist’s appointment to run the bureaucracy?
She could grow horns, pledge allegiance to an old USSR flag, shit on the table and twist her head around like the Exorcist girl and she would still be approved “on a party line vote.”
A “clerical error”?
Hahahaha
We are entering a bizarre and unprecedented error of standard operating procedure to be lying, ignoring, flouting, disparaging and when all else fails, getting up at a lectern and mouthing shyte into the mic…. or thumbing a tweet while parking a deuce on the keyboard.
Welcome to the patriotic party whose lead spokes wheel opined, “the Constitution is just a piece of paper”
….and my head is spinning now
(deliberate use of error v era)
This lying you speak of (and also, more importantly, an embrace of one’s ignorance as proof of one’s authenticity) has actually been going on for some time now.
Inflection Point:
Regardless of political affiliation, has anyone noticed this obvious hit piece has nothing to do with education or the policies and corporate rent-seeking ambitions of Mrs. DeVos.
Her idea of privatizing education has merit. The idea of having true competition among local community providers makes sense, ensuring a wide spectrum of educational choices.
Her ambition, however, to Pirate-tize the education system for a few mega corporations to feed at the public trough, while training compliant non-thinking drones is a further consolidation of the tape worm economy sucking out what little life remains of a well-educated, well-informed public.
The concept, when used to empower states and local communities empowers the people.
The concept to standardize education with noncompetitive mega providers will ultimately serve only those attached to the belly of the beast.
http://notionalvalue.blogspot.com/
“Her idea of privatizing education has merit. The idea of having true competition among local community providers makes sense, ensuring a wide spectrum of educational choices.” – Do you have kids? Do you know how hard/impossible it is to exercise your “consumer power” when you’re talking about moving your child from one school to the next, to the next, in order to find the best? The “competition” you speak of is almost meaningless. The same can be said of health care. Theories about competition and capitalism don’t always stand up to real life.
Federal $ are provided for education with mandated standards.
I am talking about turning over the administration and regulation to the states and local communities allowing local communities to decide if there is to be government control, local business competition or a combination of both.
What DeVos want’s is a Micky D’s of corporate control. Though it all sounds great it has rarely turned out that way.
Because if those freeloading children can’t pay for their own education, they don’t deserve an education.
Just like those freeloaders who get sick and can’t afford a doctor. They don’t deserve to live.
Just like those Flint freeloaders who think the water from their taps should be non-toxic. They don’t deserve the water they get now.
Welcome to Trumptopia where when you’re wealthy, you must be a genius. Every one of your ideas has merit. Ask any of the sycophants around you.
And if you’re not wealthy, give up — because they have a privatized prison waiting for you. Maybe you can get your education there.
Yay America!
Sarcasm right? I agree completely. You did not read the whole comment. Federal funds should go to states and local communities where the local community decides to have total govt. control, govt. standardized free market competition with local providers or a combination of the two. Get the fed out. Better yet stop sending the funds to the central govt. hoping some will come back.
What you speak of is exactly what I said she wants to do.
If people would just take the time to think and understand, we are better off working together to defeat the very small group who wants control, they would not stand a chance.
Re. private prisons. “The Big Business of Jailing Americans”
https://notionalvalue.blogspot.com/2012/03/big-business-of-jailing-americans.html
Serious question:
The form identifies four categories of individuals: trustees, directors, officers, key employees. You can be one of these without being another. For example, not all officers (e.g., VPs) are on the board of directors. Saying you are a VP doesn’t mean you’re a director. I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but the article is unclear on what the purported “lie” is.
Because there was no lie. Typical.
Serious sub-question:
Even if she wasn’t on the board, wouldn’t a full, good-faith answer include the information that she was listed as a vice president for several years running, even if that was a “clerical error”?
Making a constructive public rhetorical appeal to does not necessarily involve belief that it will be heeded, okay?
There is nothing more depressing in the Intercept comments section than when some of the few worthwhile, non-crazy commenters spend their precious screen time trying to prove they are the fiercest most hopeless cynics here — or worse, when they act like Scahill or Greenwald are naive compared to them! What have you done?
“C’mon Jeremy”?? “don’t hold your breath”? Oh yeah as if Jeremy Scahill is this wide-eyed innocent who is just going to be shocked, shocked by D party lameness, and he needed you to tell him that…
We get it, you see through everything, you’re awesome. We get nothing, but the really important thing is to be above it all so nobody can charge you with being part of the failure.
There’s Vic, in jerk mode, again. Sometimes, he just can’t help it.
Of course, if he paused for a moment, he might be able to refrain from imputing imagined motives to others or creating straw men to attack.
Is turnabout fair play?
“Oh yeah, as if Jeremy Scahill is this fragile snowflake who needs Vic to protect him from questioning or disagreement!”
your post hadn’t come up yet when I typed that (check the times if you don’t believe me) but, sure, you’re doing it too in your post.
Exactly why should Jeremy Scahill undercut his appeal with pessimism? Doesn’t that come off kind of stupid in practice? Let’s see what that sounds like when people actually say it:
“You should do this thing, but I know you won’t — because you are all corrupt!”
Makes a good appeal coming from, say, a 14 year old yelling back at his parents. From a journalist it sounds whiney.
No. You don’t git it.
This clown show is full of clowns trying to look like savants.
Until people mock Republicans for the simple act of being Republican, this horrible clown show will continue.
I love the grizzly bear justification for guns in schools after the Sandy Hook shootings. Nothing says “Republican” like “Jesus loves you but grizzly bears and Democrats hate you. Vote for baby Jesus. Vote for guns. Vote Republican.”
OMG!
Someone lied!
To the Republican Senate!!
Somebody should be pissed off!! Really pissed off!! Madder than a wet hen!!!
Here’s what you don’t git, Gomer — if somebody isn’t furious already, somebody isn’t paying attention to the last 40 years of this shit.
And now Trump??
“Until people mock Republicans for the simple act of being Republican, this horrible clown show will continue.”
I wasn’t talking to you Milton, but to “non-crazy worthwhile” commenters here. Not that you are crazy.
Until? Milton, you have not been paying attention if you haven’t noticed a whole little cottage industry of “people” mocking Republicans for being Republicans. No, this is pretty much the only strategy partisan liberals have, and they’ve been doing it for decades, it doesn’t accomplish shit because
they
refuse to
demand anything
from
Democrats
except that they
not be Republicans.
I suspect that describes you, but do go on.
I register at my states primary caucuses as a Democrat. It’s that or Republican or don’t attend. I will vote for anyone I think can perform the task competently and honestly.
Here’s what I didn’t do.
I didn’t kill Kennedy.
I didn’t kill King.
I didn’t kill Kennedy.
I didn’t call snowflakes tears.
I didn’t negotiate with the Iranians to keep the hostages hostage for political advantage.
I didn’t trade spare parts for cash to murder Central Americans.
I didn’t grope every woman in Arkansas.
I didn’t use book deals to launder bribe money.
I didn’t invent the Southern strategy.
I didn’t lie about this or that war.
I didn’t screw my mistress and get caught.
I didn’t pardon convicted political associates.
I didn’t fabricate scandals to obstruct political policies.
I didn’t vote for Thomas, Bork, Scalia or Rehnquist.
I didn’t steal an election.
I didn’t rig an election.
I didn’t kill Wellstone.
I didn’t swiftboat John Kerry.
I didn’t order or support torture, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan or the whole “war on terror.”
I didn’t subvert science with climate denial schemes.
I didn’t support the whole raft of astroturfed grass roots organizations from the CATO institute to American for Prosperity.
I didn’t work for the Kochs, Soros, Hank Paulson, or the DeVos family.
I don’t attend an organized religious service, I read books on science, I pay attention to current events and world wide news.
I could go on for hours.
But instead, I’ll ask one compound, obvious and clarifying question of you.
What should I have done that I didn’t do or what didn’t I do that I should have done?
You tell me, you who live in Trumptopia and want to blame Democrats for the activities of Republicans. You tell me.
What should I have done or what shouldn’t I have done.
Because this shit has been going on all my life and nobody — absolutely nobody — can see the very obvious patterns that have led to your Trumptopia. So if you can’t tell me what I should have done or not done, at least tell me what you did or didn’t do to bring this about.
And if you can’t say anything but that “partisan liberal[s}” are responsible for Trump, then stfu.
Since you can’t apparently think of a single objectionable action by the Democratic Party, I’ll be more than happy to tell you partisan liberals share huge responsibility for the conditions that produced Donald Trump and an even huger responsibility for his winning an election.
You think it’s good enough just not to be as bad as the Republicans. It is neither a practical nor ethical stance.
I didn’t say that.
I asked what should I have done or not done.
If you’re going to distort my words for something as trivial as a post on this backwater website, then you might as well pretend that the people who didn’t vote for Donald Trump have a “huger responsibility” for Trump than those who voted for Donald Trump.
If your assessment of reality turns you that upside down, don’t blame me because your head hurts.
Deborah Wasserman Shultz is an HONARY CHAIRPERSON of the DNC !!
If that’s not objectionable than neither is defecating on a rape victim .
I believe everything you said about what you did not do, and do not presume to tell you what you ought to do. I only have one serious question for you:
What are you doing with that creepy bunch?
You answer that to yourself, not me.
I’m fine with you. I don’t know you.
Vic, you’re over-reacting. Nobody wrote anything meriting that put-down.
Nobody? To paraphrase hundreds of comments, since I have been paying attention for quite awhile now: “how can anybody be so naive as to make demands for things to get better when the system has it all locked up and nothing will ever change?”
cynicism is reactionary
You may be right, but there’s no use trying to change it.
somehow, this is also true
No one below you wrote that, not literally, nor in sum and substance.
There are also not hundreds of comments below mine in this particular thread.
Jeremy, I’ve followed your work since the early days on DN!. I was astounded by the diligence, care and skill you brought to “Drilling and Killing” as such a young journalist. And your excellence has been consistent ever since.
That said, you don’t truly think the rudderless (but genetically-programmed for surrender or compromise of principle) Dims are going to take a real stand on this, do you? Or that, if they make a show of it, it will derail, or probably even slow, the DeVos Confirmation Express?
Which members of that committee, of either party, wouldn’t sell their souls and their grandmothers to maintain their seats at the table and to protect the planned-or-imagined trajectories of their political careers?
Will the Dems or any Progs permit anyone not in the pockets of the Teachers Unions run the Department of Education? The Democrats are not interested in change or reform – they demand a further consolidation of the status quo that continues to shovel taxpayer money into Union / Democratic Party circle jerk.
Uh, they did. Ask Arne Duncan or John King.
And important and divisive issue … Either way this position should be more teach, less leech, what with DeVos being the rare fundamentalist vampire that can operate in sunlight – wait unless Amway created a special makeu- No. … Anyway when Sanders asked her, “… do you think if you were NOT a multibillionaire, if your family has NOT made hundreds of millions of dollars of contributions to the Republican party, that you would be sitting here today?” and she answered, “I’ve worked very hard on behalf of parents and children for the last 30 years …” I wish Sanders would’ve, instead of answering “A thank ya,” would’ve followed up with, “Well, politely, again, whaddaya exactly mean, when you say WORK?” … I bring it up because when I hear that word “work”, I wonder if her day-to-day involves sitting in an office, or by the pool? Does she milk the public “hands-on-the-udder”, or does she scream and violently smash the bottle on the refrigerator door when the skim’s gone bad while hovering, and belittling the help? How does she “git it done”? … What does she mean when she says WORK, Jeremy? (Nice one on DN this morning! *thumbs up* I hope the Dems and everyone who can put pressure on her about the blatant lies. “Clerical errors” … smh. Old Christian proverb: “We should all hope heaven’s data entry class hath unionized against St. Peter.”)
Here is an article that looks at how Donald Trump has granted favours to his donors who gave more than a million dollars to his campaign:
http://viableopposition.blogspot.ca/2016/12/rewarding-donald-trumps-millionaire.html
It looks like it’s business as usual in Washington.
Shocking. Politicians reward donors with favors. Strong investigative reporting right there.
You mean the same Democrats in the Senate who let Clapper and Brennan lie with impunity when questioned before the Senate, when under oath and penalty of perjury, on the topic of millions of violations of American citizens’ rights under the Fourth Amendment?
Those Democrats? And you think they are willing to “got to town” on a billionaresse Xtian nutbag because she “lied” about being a BOD member of her mom’s nominal “non-profit” (the real scandal being the IRS should drop the hammer on politically motivated “non-profits” masquerading as something else but they rarely do)?
C’mon Jeremy you know as well as I do that that’s not what the “Democrats” are about in this country.
Let me give you an example–the vast majority of the Democratic party swore up and down all election long that the Clinton Global Foundation (Initiative whatever its name) was about one thing, and one thing only–legitimate charity work, like helping facilitate the distribution of life saving AIDS medications in the Third World.
And swore up and down that taking huge charitable donations from some of the world’s worst corporations and elites (and opportunities for large speaking fees for both Hillary and Bill) were just the “price” of doing good works in the world (because apparently they’ve both abandoned the idea that the US government could fund those activities directly if it wanted to rather than rely on charity) and it had nothing to do with “pay to play” or “pay for access”, see, because some of the staff refused to grant a few meetings to those who requested them.
So, any idea what the Clinton Initiative’s present status is, and their Clinton’s commitment to continuing its life saving work that only the Clinton Initiative could do? Guesses, anyone, Bueller?
Or how about the status of the Clinton Initiative’s big donor pool now that Hillary wasn’t elected POTUS? Anyone, Bueller?
I’ll give you one guess because I know you know.
Point being–I know you are probably being tongue-in-cheek about the Democratic party Senators “going after” someone like DeVos, and they should, but it isn’t going to happen. They’ll put on a nice Kabuki pantomime of opposing her, some will vote against her knowing they don’t have the votes (but not even being able to maintain party unity or solidarity).
And that’s all because the vast majority of the Democratic party care about one thing–maintaining their positions in political office for their entire lives. Nothing else matters to them, not being in the majority, not accomplishing meaningful legislation on behalf of the vast majority of the American people, not being and effective opposition when in the minority, and sure as shit not preventing the privatization of the public education system in this nation by some crank like DeVos.
The vast majority of the centrist “liberal” Democratic party are spineless, feckless, craven power seekers who wouldn’t know how to stand on principle, win a fight, or fight the long game if their political “careers” depended on it.
So don’t hold your breath waiting for the Dems to “go after” anybody, ever. At least not the current iteration of the Democratic party.
Shit they just doled out 20 million dollars to resurrect the Third Way branding to study why they lost the election. I mean seriously, no serious nominally progressive party in the world is as stupid and craven as the majority of American Democrats. That’s why a party as batshit insane as the modern GOP even has an electoral chance in this nation–because the Dems stand for nothing consistently, and certainly not the economic fortunes of the vast majority of its citizens.
bless you.
Yes, wonderful, as usual.
A footnote: They are also massively contemptuous of anyone who is not exactly like them. Because people with principles of any sort are the stupid ones.
They believe “if you’re so smart why aren’t you rich?” more than any group has ever believed it, because they “know” that “all you have to do” is pretend you don’t believe it when talking to the losers. They’ll never get wise to you.
They do go after people — they go after anyone who might expose their scam. :)
Does the author realize that the position of Vice President is an Officer and not a Director of a company. So in this case no one lied. You should issue a retraction, dumbass.
It would actually be worse if she served as vice president of the foundation and not vice president of the board. My understanding is that this section of the 990 indicates the key decisionmakers in the organization. Board members and executive staff would be listed. All of these people are involved in charting the strategic direction of the organization. If there was a trend in giving to anti-gay groups this was probably a strategy that was approved by both the executive staff and the board. It will vary from foundation to foundation but typically the executive staff will sign off on grants that are made, especially if they are of a certain size. Board members may not be involved in every single grantmaking decision but in a well-run organization they will get a summary of the grants that have been made since the last board meeting (organization and amount granted), how the grants advance the foundation’s mission, what the expected outcomes of the funding will be, etc. At either level (staff or board) she would have to be aware of the types of organizations the foundation was funding and why. She is either being disingenuous about her knowledge of the foundation’s activities or it is very shoddily run organization that is possibly in violation of laws/IRS regulations. Either way it doesn’t speak well of her record.
Let’s just say that if the Dems let this one slide, or, worse yet, vote to confirm, then it’s a signal they haven’t changed, instead of doing what the GOP in Congress did in 2009 and resist. Eight years on and they should realize this isn’t a game of croquet, but a gladiator arena.
1. So glad to see you pop in around here!
2. You know that it is very unlikely that they will do more than perform their roles as written in the Kabuki script, as rr says just above.
No, I’m afraid, coram, that Obama spoke the unvarnished truth when he uttered these words post-election: “This is an intramural scrimmage.”
Just a bit of fussing between the wings of the One Party with two right wings.
“Eight years on and they should realize this isn’t a game of croquet, but a gladiator arena.”
I see you have never played or watched a real game of croquet. No, my comment doesn’t resolve the stumbling block that the Democrats pose for moving forward in our nation, however, I just couldn’t let the idea of croquet being some kind of wimpy game stand unchallenged.
Agreed. IMO this is make or break for the Dems. If they don’t vote to reject this person then they are exposed as completely useless. IMO, anyone who does not vote to deny DeVos needs to have a special Tea Party style campaign waged against them to replace them in 2018, at the very least.
right! we can’t say everything has been tried when hardly anything has…..Dems are terrified of resistance on their flank, which is precisely
why rather than saying ahead of time “it won’t work!” we should totally
do it!
American’s need to find a third-way party for the people, by the people. As this dual political focused circus is just a corporate revolving door now.
A lot of people don’t agree with the prevailing political orthodoxy, aka, political correctness.
Democrats have self-immolated, which leaves them in a poor position to “go to town” on anything. Besides which, they are too busy taking money and selling out their constituents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAqDPfj8B8
And yet the Dems are still focusing their firepower on the “Trump=Putin” nonsense. What a shitshow. It’s like they’re working for Trump.
same hand, different puppet.
Remove the ” It’s like” and you’ve got yourself a lovely statement of God’s own truth.