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Nov. 5, 2015
To: Benjamin Armbruster; Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: E: Should Libya pay us back?
ljust lind the demands that war-ravaged and potentially unstable countries should pay us back ior
helping liberate them from dictamrs rather than invest in their own Stabilitv rather dumb from a US
national security perspective, particularly at a time when we're not too iorthcoming with necessary
investments via foreign aid. i understand the emotional grounding of such claims - we want some
gratitude tor putting our servicemembers' lives on the line and spending the money necessary to
support military operations that removed tyrannical regimes, particularly ones that have American
blood on their hands - but they don't add up when you consider us interests in having a stable Libya or
Iraq orwherevers
From. Benjamin Armbruster
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2011 11:05 AM
To: NSIP core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: should Libya pay us back?
Ali and I talked about Libya repaying the the other day when we were doing the post on
bachmann saying lraq should repay America lorthe war. on the surtace, find it somewhat
objectionable that we would ask to be repaid tor the Libya war but the idea seems to have some support
on both sides otthe aisle. Wondering what people think --
PIERS MORGAN: Senator, there is a debate now about whether the United States should be repaid the
several billion dollars this operation has cost from the irozen assets that Libya has of 30 to 35 billion,
depending on which report you read, what isyour view oi that?
SEN ROBERT MENENDEZ: Well, I certainly think we should be (alking to the transitional national council
as it moves to establish a government in Libya. And, you know, we do have anywhere between $30 and
$35 billion in irozen assets. it might very well be that they will have the wherewithal, it seems to me,
especially when oil production gets back up and running, to look towards repaying the United States.
That's not why we did this, obviously, but nonetheless it would be an excellent gesture. Along with
something that have been pushing tor quite some time, which is making sure that the transitional
national council works with us in giving us access to those who still may be in their domain oi the
Gadhafi regime who may have been part oithe van Am 103 bombing where 270 citizens lost their lives
including 34 from my home state of New lersey.
Benjamin Armbruster
Thinkprogressorg
center (or 5
Phone: 0
Twitter: @TPASecurily @beniammja
To: Benjamin Armbruster; Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: E: Should Libya pay us back?
ljust lind the demands that war-ravaged and potentially unstable countries should pay us back ior
helping liberate them from dictamrs rather than invest in their own Stabilitv rather dumb from a US
national security perspective, particularly at a time when we're not too iorthcoming with necessary
investments via foreign aid. i understand the emotional grounding of such claims - we want some
gratitude tor putting our servicemembers' lives on the line and spending the money necessary to
support military operations that removed tyrannical regimes, particularly ones that have American
blood on their hands - but they don't add up when you consider us interests in having a stable Libya or
Iraq orwherevers
From. Benjamin Armbruster
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2011 11:05 AM
To: NSIP core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: should Libya pay us back?
Ali and I talked about Libya repaying the the other day when we were doing the post on
bachmann saying lraq should repay America lorthe war. on the surtace, find it somewhat
objectionable that we would ask to be repaid tor the Libya war but the idea seems to have some support
on both sides otthe aisle. Wondering what people think --
PIERS MORGAN: Senator, there is a debate now about whether the United States should be repaid the
several billion dollars this operation has cost from the irozen assets that Libya has of 30 to 35 billion,
depending on which report you read, what isyour view oi that?
SEN ROBERT MENENDEZ: Well, I certainly think we should be (alking to the transitional national council
as it moves to establish a government in Libya. And, you know, we do have anywhere between $30 and
$35 billion in irozen assets. it might very well be that they will have the wherewithal, it seems to me,
especially when oil production gets back up and running, to look towards repaying the United States.
That's not why we did this, obviously, but nonetheless it would be an excellent gesture. Along with
something that have been pushing tor quite some time, which is making sure that the transitional
national council works with us in giving us access to those who still may be in their domain oi the
Gadhafi regime who may have been part oithe van Am 103 bombing where 270 citizens lost their lives
including 34 from my home state of New lersey.
Benjamin Armbruster
Thinkprogressorg
center (or 5
Phone: 0
Twitter: @TPASecurily @beniammja
No one is suggesting we pro?t from it or they pay the whole amount. Hence no incentive is created to
actually engage in this kind of activity.
Now there is a huge disincentive to engage. Because it basically means cutting domestically. Rebalancing
that a bit makes sense to me.
From: Faiz Shakir
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:24 AM
To: Neera Tanden; Peter Juul; Benjamin Armbruster; NSIP Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: RE: Should Libya pay us back?
I don?t think it?s fair that we create our own domestic problems and then ask other nations to pay for it.
You see the adverse incentive problem here right? If we think we can make money off an incursion, we?ll
do it? that?s a serious policy/messaging/moral problem for our foreign policy I think
From: Neera Tanden
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:23 AM
To: Faiz Shakir; Peter Juul; Benjamin Armbruster; NSIP Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: RE: Should Libya pay us back?
We have a giant deficit. They have a lot of oil. Most Americans would choose not to engage in the
world because of that de?cit. If we want to continue to engage in the world, gestures like having oil rich
countries partially pay us back doesn?t seem crazy to me.
Do we prefer cuts to Head Start? Or Or Medicaid? Because we live in deficit politics, and that?s
what is happening and will be happening even more.
From: Faiz Shakir
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:21 AM
To: Peterluul; Benjamin Armbruster; NSIP Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: RE: Should Ltya pay us back?
Also, the menendez argument has the undertone of ?we did this for them.? I feel that's the most
dangerous part. The primary mission should always be to advance our national security interests, and
promoting Libyan democracy and protecting human rights seems generally aligned with that mission. If
people start to think that our military is just for-hire to carry out the agendas of other people around the
world, we?ve got a bigger problem.
From: PeterJuul
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:17 AM
No one is suggesting we pro?t from it or they pay the whole amount. Hence no incentive is created to
actually engage in this kind of activity.
Now there is a huge disincentive to engage. Because it basically means cutting domestically. Rebalancing
that a bit makes sense to me.
From: Faiz Shakir
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:24 AM
To: Neera Tanden; Peter Juul; Benjamin Armbruster; NSIP Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: RE: Should Libya pay us back?
I don?t think it?s fair that we create our own domestic problems and then ask other nations to pay for it.
You see the adverse incentive problem here right? If we think we can make money off an incursion, we?ll
do it? that?s a serious policy/messaging/moral problem for our foreign policy I think
From: Neera Tanden
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:23 AM
To: Faiz Shakir; Peter Juul; Benjamin Armbruster; NSIP Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: RE: Should Libya pay us back?
We have a giant deficit. They have a lot of oil. Most Americans would choose not to engage in the
world because of that de?cit. If we want to continue to engage in the world, gestures like having oil rich
countries partially pay us back doesn?t seem crazy to me.
Do we prefer cuts to Head Start? Or Or Medicaid? Because we live in deficit politics, and that?s
what is happening and will be happening even more.
From: Faiz Shakir
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:21 AM
To: Peterluul; Benjamin Armbruster; NSIP Core
Cc: PR Core
Subject: RE: Should Ltya pay us back?
Also, the menendez argument has the undertone of ?we did this for them.? I feel that's the most
dangerous part. The primary mission should always be to advance our national security interests, and
promoting Libyan democracy and protecting human rights seems generally aligned with that mission. If
people start to think that our military is just for-hire to carry out the agendas of other people around the
world, we?ve got a bigger problem.
From: PeterJuul
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Fw: Followin
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To: Fail Shakir >,Ken Gude
CC:
Whatever mv response is to this is going to get circulated widely amongst the groups.
Do either olyou have an intern who could read what she's talking about and draft a reply?
From: an" lewis
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 09:34 AM
Yo: Neera Tanden
Subject: Following Up
I am technologically incompetent trying to go back and forth from Think Progress archives to
email lums out to be really hard for me, I'm sure most people do it wellt) So this will be more
of my comments and fewer direct quotes- than I thought I could do when I began, but I hope
will convey why I have problems:
I was pleased to see the statements that Think Progress( I guess CAP) supports a two state
solution in the MIdeast . and effective sanctions on Iran. I don't think I would know that from
reading the TP Security posts. On Iran sanctions I read that they would hurt ordinary Iranians
11/9) "take food from ordinary Iranians" (10/12); is the kind of strategy that can lead to war; are
"Iraq style" 8/3 . AIPAC's strategies in supporting sanctions "mirrors the run up to war
in Iraq." Besides, there is no proof that Iran is determined to build nuclear weapons - although a
TP post at the time of the IAEA report acknowledges that some of what they found is "nuclear
weapons specific" A 0 references, in a Quinnipiac poll for example. to Iran's efforts to build
nuclear weapons are "factually inaccurate."
As to a two state solution: I found one reference, 9/12. What Would a Two State Solution
Physically Require 7 which was not exactly what I would call an an endorsement or positive
vision. Ironically, David Makovsky, who is described in a different 9/12 post headline as a "neo-
con" has actually come up with serious. detailed maps about what a two -state solution would
look like; TP does says he is "less hostile" to the Palestinian state [did not see any mention of
his work Maybe it was acknowledged earlier 7 Througout the Mideast section there are
regular criticisms of the Israeli government 1 I saw no balanced recognition - even occasionally
that Israel might really have concerns for security (no mention of rocket attacks from Gaza .for
example ;did I miss 7 .
Ambassador Michael Oren is called a liar in two posts, 9/19 and 10/14; Once for saying
Palestinians did not come to the table after Israel put a security freeze in place. As I recall. the
freeze was for ID months. PA began to negotiate after 9 months - could this be a little more
complicated 7. Even when the US and Israel agree on a specific cancern -for example, raising
this ICC issue in arguing against a Palestinian state - the TP post says that Israel is "most
outspoken."
There are a number of disconnected posts that I found to raised more quesitons than
provide information: State to Fund "discredited neo-con organization (MEMRI)
Subject: Fw: Followin
m>
To: Fail Shakir >,Ken Gude
CC:
Whatever mv response is to this is going to get circulated widely amongst the groups.
Do either olyou have an intern who could read what she's talking about and draft a reply?
From: an" lewis
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 09:34 AM
Yo: Neera Tanden
Subject: Following Up
I am technologically incompetent trying to go back and forth from Think Progress archives to
email lums out to be really hard for me, I'm sure most people do it wellt) So this will be more
of my comments and fewer direct quotes- than I thought I could do when I began, but I hope
will convey why I have problems:
I was pleased to see the statements that Think Progress( I guess CAP) supports a two state
solution in the MIdeast . and effective sanctions on Iran. I don't think I would know that from
reading the TP Security posts. On Iran sanctions I read that they would hurt ordinary Iranians
11/9) "take food from ordinary Iranians" (10/12); is the kind of strategy that can lead to war; are
"Iraq style" 8/3 . AIPAC's strategies in supporting sanctions "mirrors the run up to war
in Iraq." Besides, there is no proof that Iran is determined to build nuclear weapons - although a
TP post at the time of the IAEA report acknowledges that some of what they found is "nuclear
weapons specific" A 0 references, in a Quinnipiac poll for example. to Iran's efforts to build
nuclear weapons are "factually inaccurate."
As to a two state solution: I found one reference, 9/12. What Would a Two State Solution
Physically Require 7 which was not exactly what I would call an an endorsement or positive
vision. Ironically, David Makovsky, who is described in a different 9/12 post headline as a "neo-
con" has actually come up with serious. detailed maps about what a two -state solution would
look like; TP does says he is "less hostile" to the Palestinian state [did not see any mention of
his work Maybe it was acknowledged earlier 7 Througout the Mideast section there are
regular criticisms of the Israeli government 1 I saw no balanced recognition - even occasionally
that Israel might really have concerns for security (no mention of rocket attacks from Gaza .for
example ;did I miss 7 .
Ambassador Michael Oren is called a liar in two posts, 9/19 and 10/14; Once for saying
Palestinians did not come to the table after Israel put a security freeze in place. As I recall. the
freeze was for ID months. PA began to negotiate after 9 months - could this be a little more
complicated 7. Even when the US and Israel agree on a specific cancern -for example, raising
this ICC issue in arguing against a Palestinian state - the TP post says that Israel is "most
outspoken."
There are a number of disconnected posts that I found to raised more quesitons than
provide information: State to Fund "discredited neo-con organization (MEMRI)
Discredited There may be arguments about some of its work, but I think MEMRI has a lot of
credibility as does the State department apparently; 9/9 Israel's Foreign Minister "Reportedly"
seeks meeting with anti-Turkish terror group (Did this happen if it was just a rumor, was it
newsworthy other than one more chance to criticize
One more personal reaction: I found the news wrap-ups both more interesting and more
balanced than the single posts almost everything that troubled me came in single posts,
some quoted above.
So I had expected to be more detailed and professional sorry about that. But I hope this gives
you some idea of my reaction. Happy to talk any time if it would be helpful.
Discredited There may be arguments about some of its work, but I think MEMRI has a lot of
credibility as does the State department apparently; 9/9 Israel's Foreign Minister "Reportedly"
seeks meeting with anti-Turkish terror group (Did this happen if it was just a rumor, was it
newsworthy other than one more chance to criticize
One more personal reaction: I found the news wrap-ups both more interesting and more
balanced than the single posts almost everything that troubled me came in single posts,
some quoted above.
So I had expected to be more detailed and professional sorry about that. But I hope this gives
you some idea of my reaction. Happy to talk any time if it would be helpful.
Original Message 7
From: Neera Tanden
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 09:07 PM
To: Faiz Shakir; Judd Legum
Cc: Ken Gude
Subject: Fw: PM the love of gadl
Is it wise to throw around the Israel issue in khis?
Can we discuss tomorww.
Original Message
From: Howam
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2012 09:01 PM
To: Neera Tanden
Subject: For the love ofgodl
Sem from my iPhone
Original Message 7
From: Neera Tanden
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 09:07 PM
To: Faiz Shakir; Judd Legum
Cc: Ken Gude
Subject: Fw: PM the love of gadl
Is it wise to throw around the Israel issue in khis?
Can we discuss tomorww.
Original Message
From: Howam
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2012 09:01 PM
To: Neera Tanden
Subject: For the love ofgodl
Sem from my iPhone
From: Neera Tanden
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:00 AM
To: Faiz Shakir; John Podesta; Judd Legum; Tara McGuinness; Winnie Stachelberg; Tom Perriello; Ken
Gude; Andrea Purse
Subject: RE: Post piece
Reporting in: I just got off the phone with Ann Lewis who continues to be adamant that a real problem
is that our blog seems anti-Israel because - and I'm just reporting in - while it seemingly takes every
opportunity to criticize Israel, it takes no opportunity to actually say Israel is doing the right thing. She
said she went through even the last few weeks and saw this bias. For example, on the Palestinian aid
situation, which Israel was helping - we wrote nothing (an irony given the c3's work in this arena). On
Iran, we seem to take every opportunity to criticize the critics of Iran, but we don't regularly discuss the
problems with a nuclear Iran. I went through our more recent posts on human rights.
She basically said we're going to continue to have a problem until our blog seems like it's not anti-Israel.
I tried to discuss Israel, v. the Israeli govt.'s policies. But she for one was not really buying it.
She recommended I call all the groups I've met w/ - even ADL after today's post. And w/ ADL she said I
should state I'm surprised but not get confrontational with them.. And she recommends calling AJC.
Ann is definitely old school, but she has been a voice for the center point in these debates.
From: Neera Tanden
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:00 AM
To: Faiz Shakir; John Podesta; Judd Legum; Tara McGuinness; Winnie Stachelberg; Tom Perriello; Ken
Gude; Andrea Purse
Subject: RE: Post piece
Reporting in: I just got off the phone with Ann Lewis who continues to be adamant that a real problem
is that our blog seems anti-Israel because - and I'm just reporting in - while it seemingly takes every
opportunity to criticize Israel, it takes no opportunity to actually say Israel is doing the right thing. She
said she went through even the last few weeks and saw this bias. For example, on the Palestinian aid
situation, which Israel was helping - we wrote nothing (an irony given the c3's work in this arena). On
Iran, we seem to take every opportunity to criticize the critics of Iran, but we don't regularly discuss the
problems with a nuclear Iran. I went through our more recent posts on human rights.
She basically said we're going to continue to have a problem until our blog seems like it's not anti-Israel.
I tried to discuss Israel, v. the Israeli govt.'s policies. But she for one was not really buying it.
She recommended I call all the groups I've met w/ - even ADL after today's post. And w/ ADL she said I
should state I'm surprised but not get confrontational with them.. And she recommends calling AJC.
Ann is definitely old school, but she has been a voice for the center point in these debates.
From: Ken Gude
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:18 PM
To: Neera Tanden; Tom Perriello; Winnie Stachelberg; Tara McGuinness; Rudy deLeon; Brian Katulis;
Faiz Shakir; Judd Legum
Subject: Good meeting with Jeff Colman
I met Jeff Colman from AIPAC today and I would say it was very positive. It was a ?get-to-know-you?
meeting, so I wasn?t expecting fireworks, but he certainly expressed the view that he felt we were now
moving in the right direction. From a very early stage I didn?t feel like I had to be defensive at all and it
wasn?t a frank exchange of views, we were just talking and mostly about how to move forward.
We talked for about an hour. We didn?t have to rehash all that has transpired given he stipulated what
steps we have taken. He reiterated the position that AIPAC was not pleased that all this was aired in
public and that it has done harm that AIPAC does not want or support and their strong preference to keep
disagreements private. He was very clear about distancing AIPAC from Block. Jeff is a big fan of Fiudy
and Brian and is very supportive of Tom coming on board and feel that is in good hands. I got
the very clear impression that they want to move forward.
We talked a little about ADL he said he has been in touch with Stacy Burdett recently. I told him that we
were a little frustrated with Foxman?s quote in the Washington Post and. while not exactly throwing him
under the bus, Jeff said that there are organizations in which there is a boss and everyone else and then
there is another kind of organization and you?ll never have a ?left hand-right hand? problem with AIPAC.
He was very supportive of our effort to reach out to Jason lsaacson at AJC and said that he is in regular
contact and would probably speak to him in the normal course of business before our meeting and I think
he?ll offer a good word.
He mentioned Brian's participation on a panel at their upcoming conference and invitations to attend it. And it?s very likely that I?m going to Israel on one of their upcoming trips.
Ken
From: Ken Gude
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:18 PM
To: Neera Tanden; Tom Perriello; Winnie Stachelberg; Tara McGuinness; Rudy deLeon; Brian Katulis;
Faiz Shakir; Judd Legum
Subject: Good meeting with Jeff Colman
I met Jeff Colman from AIPAC today and I would say it was very positive. It was a ?get-to-know-you?
meeting, so I wasn?t expecting fireworks, but he certainly expressed the view that he felt we were now
moving in the right direction. From a very early stage I didn?t feel like I had to be defensive at all and it
wasn?t a frank exchange of views, we were just talking and mostly about how to move forward.
We talked for about an hour. We didn?t have to rehash all that has transpired given he stipulated what
steps we have taken. He reiterated the position that AIPAC was not pleased that all this was aired in
public and that it has done harm that AIPAC does not want or support and their strong preference to keep
disagreements private. He was very clear about distancing AIPAC from Block. Jeff is a big fan of Fiudy
and Brian and is very supportive of Tom coming on board and feel that is in good hands. I got
the very clear impression that they want to move forward.
We talked a little about ADL he said he has been in touch with Stacy Burdett recently. I told him that we
were a little frustrated with Foxman?s quote in the Washington Post and. while not exactly throwing him
under the bus, Jeff said that there are organizations in which there is a boss and everyone else and then
there is another kind of organization and you?ll never have a ?left hand-right hand? problem with AIPAC.
He was very supportive of our effort to reach out to Jason lsaacson at AJC and said that he is in regular
contact and would probably speak to him in the normal course of business before our meeting and I think
he?ll offer a good word.
He mentioned Brian's participation on a panel at their upcoming conference and invitations to attend it. And it?s very likely that I?m going to Israel on one of their upcoming trips.
Ken
From: Danielia Leger
Sen Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:13 PM
To: Dc,office
Cc: Tara McGuinness; Sarah Margon
Subject: Invite: Israel brown bag debrief
Hi CAP. Last week Tara, Sarah and traveled to Israel with the American Israeli Education Fund. It was a
most interesting trip of meetings and discussions on the current state of Israel and their variuus issues.
both domestic and international.
A number of you have asked for a debriei, so we thought we wnuld open it up to anyone Mn: is
interested in hearing about it. if you are interested, piease join us on Friday, June 15'" In canlerence
mom 0 iron- 1-2 pm,
Cheers,
Tara, Sarah and Daniella
Dar-Mia (iibbx Lu'gur
Vire PrtxidenI/m Amerime Vulim am! New Cnmmumiir.>>
(Ir/interim" Program
From: Danielia Leger
Sen Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:13 PM
To: Dc,office
Cc: Tara McGuinness; Sarah Margon
Subject: Invite: Israel brown bag debrief
Hi CAP. Last week Tara, Sarah and traveled to Israel with the American Israeli Education Fund. It was a
most interesting trip of meetings and discussions on the current state of Israel and their variuus issues.
both domestic and international.
A number of you have asked for a debriei, so we thought we wnuld open it up to anyone Mn: is
interested in hearing about it. if you are interested, piease join us on Friday, June 15'" In canlerence
mom 0 iron- 1-2 pm,
Cheers,
Tara, Sarah and Daniella
Dar-Mia (iibbx Lu'gur
Vire PrtxidenI/m Amerime Vulim am! New Cnmmumiir.>>
(Ir/interim" Program