KSM cable C06606424

C06606424 Approved for Release: 2017/11/29 C06606424 (b )( 1) (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(3) NatSecAct TOT: 051J24Z 0517252 JUL 02 ALEC l81325 ALEC 181325 (b )( 1) (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(3) NatSecAct SUBJECT: EYES ONLY - POST-ISOLATION PHASE OF THE ABU ZUBAYDAH INTERROGATIONS REF: NONE TEXT: 1. ACTION REQUIRED: ON THE POST-ISOLATION PLEASE SEE BELOW FOR HQS/.ALEC DETAILS PHASE OF THE ABU ZUBAYDAHINTERROGATIONS FOR THE RECORD. (b)(1) . (b)( ) CIAAct 2. oN 1 JULY 2002, HQS/ALEc HELD A MEETING To oiscuss THE_ 3 n"cT-ISOLATION PHASE OF THE .( (ABU ZUBAYDAH)) (AZ) INTERROGATIONS. (b)(3) Nat SecA ..,.,~tPRIMARY PARTICIPANTS INCLUDED □CTC, CTC/COPS, (b)(6) rcTC/UB . ANB½cc □ ~CT_C_/L_G_L_.-A~Z I INTERROGATION TEAM MEMBERS IC SERE PSYCHOLOGIST (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(6) Approved for Release: 2017/11/29 C06606424 (b )( 1) (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(3) NatSecAct (b)(6)

C06606424 Approved for Release: 2017/11/29 C06606424 lDJllJ (b)(3) NatSecAct (b)(3) NatSecAct (b)(6) (b)(6) FBI SA~--~AND[ PRESENT FOR THE MEETING. . FROMI ~D WERE FBI OFFICERS 7RETURNED IN ADDITION TO (b)(6) (b)(6) PRESENT WERE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTS/OAD; OF SECURITY WERE ALSO IN ATTENDANCE. MEETING, ALL PARTrns CRITICAL OMS, AND THE OFFICE AS IN THE PREVIOUS 4 JUNE WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT AZ IS WITHHOLDING INFORMATION, PARTIC.ULARLY ON DIRECT THREATS AGAINST U.S. INTERESTS BOTH DOMESTICALLY AND OVERSEAS AND INFORMATION ABOUT AL-QA' IDA PRESENCE IN THE U..S. 3. CURRENT STATUS: AZ IS PRESENTLY IN THE FOURTEENTH DAY ~F HIS ISOLATION PHASE. INDIVIDUALS DURING THIS PHASE,, HIS CONTACT WITH OUTSIDE IS LIMITED To· A 'CIRCA 20 MINUTE 'DAILY ·MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR HIS LEG.WOUND. AZ· HAS NO CONTACT WITH ANY INTERROGATION PERSONNEL AND HAS ACCESS TO WRITING MATERIAL AS HIS SOLE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION. HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN AZ'S CONDITION. DURING THE ISOLATION' PHASE, THERE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIS MEDICAL THE TEAM ASSESS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A TECHNIQUE .TO TEST THE RESPONSIVENESS OF HIS MEDICAL CARE AND/OR INITIATE LEVEL OF HUMANCONTACT. SOME FOR THE MOST PART, AZ APPEARS QUITE BORED AND SHOWS NO SIGNS OF SEVERE EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. I (b )( 1) (b)(3) NatSecAct THROUGHOUTHIS ISOLATION, AZ HAS MADE NO/NO ATTEMPT AT PROVIDING INFORMATION ON DIRECT THREATS AGAINST THE UNIT.ED STATES. 4. POST-ISOLATION PHASE: THE 1 JULY MEETING FOCUSED· PRIMARILY ON THE NEXT PHASE OF THE AZ INTERROGATIONS. IT WAS CONCLUDED THIS PHASE WOULDBE THE LAST HARD PUSH IN THE INTERROGATIONS OF AZ AND CONCENTRATE ON TWO·MAJOR ISSUES: 1) PENDING TERRORIST ATTACKS PLANNED AGAINST THE UNITED .STATES·OR.OUR INTERESTS OVERSEAS, AND 2) THE TERRORIST SUPPORT N.ETWORKIN AMERICA AND SAUDI ARABIA. THE POST-ISOLATION PHASE WILL LAST APPROXIMATELY FOUR WEEKS, AFTER WHICH THE TEAM WILL RETURN TO IMPLEMENT THE NEXT PHASE. AZ'S AS THIS IS A EXTREMELY FLUID SITUATION, BEHAVIOR DURING THE POST-ISOLATION PHASE MAY REQUIRE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE GENERAL BLUEPRINT OUTLINED ABOVE AND .BELOW. ADDITION, A FOLLOW-ON MEETING WILL BE HELD ON~Y THE sPEcIFics 5. oF BELow GENERAL sTRATEGY. POST-ISOLATION POST-ISOLATION OUTSIDE AZ'S IN TO OUTLINE (b)(3) NatSecAct STRATEGY: IN APPROACHING THE PHASE, IT WAS DECIDED THAT WK MUS.T ACT IN A WAY EXPECTATIONS AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON OUR THREATS. UNTIL THIS POINT IN THE INTERROGATIONS, WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL (b)(3) NatSecAct THREATS TO AZ WHILE IMPLEMENTING THE "BAD GQY" ROL.E PLAYED BY c=]WHILE THE FIRST OF THESE THREATS FACILITATED THE 19 MAY "REVELATION," REPERCUSSIONS, ~-~ EACH SUBSEQUENT EPISODE LACKED THE PROMISED A FACT THAT WAS NOT LOST ON AZ. THAT HIS TREATMENT HAS NOT CHANGED -- AZ HAS REALIZED A REALIZATION THAT HE HAS Approved for Release: 2017/11/29 C06606424

C06606424 Approved for Release: 2017/11/29 C06606424 PERCEIVED AS A VICTORY. AZ HAS ALSO SCORED A VICTORY :rn HIS MIND BY GETTING OUR MEDICAL PERSONNEL TO RESPOND TO HIS CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY ABQUT BLOOD IN HIS SEMEN: AZ'S LONG-TERM OVERALL EFFECTIVENESS BOLSTER 6. POST-ISOLATI'ON OF THE INTERROGATIONS. :STRATEGY (CONT'.D): DYNAMICS OF THE INTERROGATIONS, (b)(3) NatSecActAND =7 I THESE VICTORIES RESOLVE AND RESISTANCE STRATEGY, THUS DECREASING THE FIRST IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE I.T WAS TENTATIVELY DECIDED TO THE ROLE OF THE "BAD GUY" BEYOND THAT ALREADY PLAYED BY THIS NEW "BAD GUY" WILL ACT AS A MORE COMBATIVE BE THE INDIVIDUAL TO CONFRONT AZ AFTER HIS PERIOD OF ISOLATION, WHICH MAY END WITH TIME SPENT IN THE CONFINEMENT BOX. RECOMMENDATIONOFII OTS/OAD IS THE SERVICES OF ~O PER THE (b)(3) NatSecAct IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING .IS 'WELL-VERSED IN CONDUCTING SERE-LIKE HOSTILE INTERROGATIONS. THE "BAD GUY" WILL CONVI·NCE Az· THAT HIS SITUATION HAS_DRASTICALLY CHANGED, AND THAT HIS ISOLATION AND. TIME (b )( 1) IN (b)(3) NatSecAct (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(6) THE BOX WERE ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THIS CHANGE. '---------------------------------~ '------------~ SERIES HE POST-ISClLATION STRATEGY WILL IMPLEMENT A OF INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES AND TOOLS, ALL OF WHICH WILL WITHIN OUR LEGAL GUIDELINES. (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(6) 7. [J:TC/LGL HAS EMPHASIZED THAT WE SHOULD NOT/NOT RULE OUT ANY METHOD OF INTERROGATION WHATSOEVER, SO LONG AS THE INTERROGATION TEAM BELIEVES IT WILL BE EFF.ECTIVE, OF.COURSE, HQS WILL NEED TO DOCUMENT IN ADVANCE THE LEGAL ANALYSIS FOR SUCH METHODS, TO ENSURE. THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE PROTECTED; ALONG THESE LINES, IF/IF REQ.(JIRED BY A SPEC!"FIC .PROPOSAL, WE WILL ASK THE DCI TO SEEK A FORMAL DECLINATION OF ·.PROSECUTION FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR ANY SPECIFIC EFFECTIVE METHODS WHICH THE TEAM·BELIEVES BUT WHICH MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE PERMISSIBL.E. RULE OUT NOTHING.WHATSOEVER THAT YOUBELIEVE OFFICERS REMAIN AVAILABI:.E 24/7 IN SHORT, MAY BE -EFFECTIVE; RATHER, COME ON BACK AND WE WH,L GET YOU THE APPROVALS. (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(6) WOULD BE (b)(3) CIAAct CTC/I:.GL TO ENSURE IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE AND DOCUMENTATION ON ANY PROPOSALS, AND THE OFFI.CE AN[1 CONTACT NUMBERS FoRc::}Tc/LGL f\RE P~Ro_v_I_D_E_D~I ___ I D ( (b)(3) NatSecAct ____, IT MAY BE OBSERVED THAT THE APPLICABLE u. s. ·LAW'WITH RESPECT TO INTERROGATION METHODS IS. MORE PERMISSIVE THAN,. SAY, .. THE COMPARABLE EUROPEAN OR ISRAELI THAT EVEN THE ISRAELIS 8. LAW: WE LAWFULLY MAY EMPLOY METHODS MAY NOT-)'. HQS/ALEC WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESULTS.· FOLLOWING THE 8 JULY HQS MEETING. REGARDS. (b )( 1) (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(3) NatSecAct Approved for Release: 2017/11/29 C06606424 (b)(3) CIAAct (b)(6)

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