Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush said Tuesday that encryption makes it harder for law enforcement to track down “evildoers” — and called for a “much better, more cooperative relationship” with Apple, Google, and other tech companies that are building uncrackable private communication apps into their new products.
“If you create encryption, it makes it harder for the American government to do its job — while protecting civil liberties — to make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst,” Bush said in South Carolina at an event sponsored by Americans for Peace, Prosperity, and Security, a group with close ties to military contractors.
Bush said, “We need to find a new arrangement with Silicon Valley in this regard because I think this is a very dangerous kind of situation.”
But when the event moderator, former CNN anchor Jeanne Meserve, brought up scientists’ conclusions that giving law enforcement special access to communications also gives hackers more access, Bush didn’t explain his position any further.
“Good point, except we ought to have much more cooperation when it comes to cybersecurity,” he said.
Federal law enforcement officials, led by FBI Director James Comey, have been pressuring companies that are widely providing strong encryption, warning that the government is in danger of “going dark” when it comes to tracking criminals.
But computer scientists have been trying to explain for more than two decades that they can’t provide law enforcement with special access to digital devices and services without inherently weakening them. Providing a “backdoor” to law enforcement is the same as drilling a hole into the system’s security — a hole that criminals can also exploit.
“If you create encryption, it makes it harder for the American government to do its job — while protecting civil liberties — to make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst,”
That’s kind of like people who can’t imagine taking a trip without a cell phone anymore. It can’t be done.
What laws would law enforcement be enforcing by tracking evil doers anyway? Evil is a description open to interpretation. Are conservatives comfortable with people that work for the government deciding what evil is?
Maybe evil doing for Jeb involves the doctrine of preemption/you might be a redneck/terrorist kind of thing. We can’t know. These Bush guys are mystery men.
One thing we do know is that Jeb’s definition of evil doing doesn’t include stalking or stealing private information from ordinary people.
The good news is as same as the bad. If tech companies cooperate with Jeb, there won’t be a need to own weapons as an individual or as a country to make us safe anymore. whew! what a relief. We were so scared. We have surveillance now, which also kinda seems like experiencing what it’s like to have a foreign military base in your country.(there’s downsides sure) They’re not really in it for the people and we can’t ever watch over them but they can watch over us. But the benefits are obviously we have the freedom to buy and use the weapons they let us buy which includes the internet gadgets etc.. we just cant threaten their financial interests, the government (or the ability to protect those interests)
As I have mentioned before, we often forget the protecting the unhinged prosperity of the few by the sacrifice of the many in the long run collectively protects us somehow. Sure some people-millions are ran over in the process but its nothing compared to the amount if we tried to play fair. Numbers. Don’t question it.
Tell him what you think about his sadly uninformed position.
Go here: https://jeb2016.com/contact/?lang=en
Hey Jeb, you’re an uninformed idiot! Do you realize nearly EVERYTHING you use to communicate, view, listen, work, etc has some form of encryption? In your world, there would be no Internet, no Email, no TV, all gone since they are all encrypted. Guess you can go back to Florida now, certainly no need to hear anymore stupidity from you…
omfg. Another Bush using the word ‘evildoers’
enough already, the stuuuupid hurts! it burns!!
This guy went full retard. Never go full retard.
Yes! Lets get rid of encryption so that all of the countries that hate us (I’m pretty sure it’s all of them) can more easily hack us and gain access to sensitive data. What an idiot. If you had half a brain you would want them to work for their “meal”. I am a conservative but this guy is too fucking stupid to be pres….
Most of the criminals and evildoers are in our own government. New Scotland Yard, MI5, MI6, GCHQ, MoD, FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA DoD etc You’ll find a rats nest of them in there. They are involved in a psychological harassment program that goes by the name of organized stalking or gang stalking.
organized stalking
A system of organized psychological terror tactics used against a person who has become an enemy of an individual or a government. Subtle but effective techniques of stalking by multiple individuals and psychological intimidation and manipulation are used to slowly but surely drive the target to make complaints to authorities who will see the complaints as bogus because of the methods used against the target. As a result, the target gets labelled as mentally ill.
There are as many stalking tactics as there are targets as the multistalkers will tailor the stalking to the individuals habits and individual personality. Some common examples or organized stalking are: following the target on foot, by car and public transportation, crowding the target’s space in a public place, murmuring insults under the breath so only the target can hear, sitting in the car outside the target’s residence, starting “fights” in public with the target, doing “skits” on the street which involves information only the target should know but has been found out via surveillance of the target, stealing and vandalism of the target’s possesions.
News report from KENS 5 by Joe Conger, San Antonio, Texas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wetCL4i50E
Central Coast News by Candice Nguyen. This news report was shown in California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-MlhPmXqk
Daily Mail ‘I was turned into a pariah for complaining about a yob’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195399/Woman-branded-potentially-violent-council-complaining-damaged-flowerbed.html
American TV show called “What Would You Do?” This video illustrates how easy it is to recruit complete strangers to harass someone. This is similar to how gang stalking works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDJl9j937EU
Same Bush. Different face. Bullshit liar and control freak.
Jeb Bush = supreme evildoer.
We just can’t have anything that would prevent the well-meaning bureaucrats from sniffing everyone’s laundry, can we?
“If you create encryption, it makes it harder for the American government to do its job — while protecting civil liberties — to make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst,” It might make it harder for the government to “do its job” as they say, but if the American government is allowed to control encryption, and can see all of our private data, however benevolent they may claim their intentions to be, then so can someone whose intent is less benign, causing potentially very serious harm to completely innocent people. While such snoopers may be breaking the law, and in an ideal world they would all be punished and all innocent victims appropriately compensated, the government can’t be everywhere at once… so some of these lawbreakers will get away with their crime… Consider also, that if it is hard for the government to break our encryption, then it will generally be just as hard for hackers, so hard encryption reasonably acts as a first defense against unwanted intrusion. The amount of harm that would be endured by the public if the government actually had control of all encryption is certain to be far greater than the amount of harm that could actually be prevented by them having such control.
In the old days a person actually had to be found guilty of committing a crime to be accused and convicted of one – and since the dawn of time there have been people who knew-about a crime or privately communicated about a crime they knew about withOUT being held criminally responsible. Now we are all expected for every piece of data and communication in our lifetimes to be fully accessible by the government in-case they ever decide in the future to use it against us to accuse us of a crime. And if we don’t support that concept then we’re criminals. Isn’t it great to live in such a free and democratic republic?
” – a hole that criminals can also exploit.”
I think the “criminals” include (at least) some of the people asking for
a removal of encryption.
Jeb, get lost, you “evildoer” moron.
We the people will have our encryption and privacy despite what your daddy, your brother and every other NWO suckup says.
DONT SPAM ME!….PLEASE.
I spent a career in electronic surveillance… I’m the guy who did the nuts and bolts of those stings you used to see…..people making dirty deals and caught red handed….. We needed a warrant in any government operations.
Law has been outstripped by technology….. The ability to capture a societies communications unprecedented…… Recent advances in processing power will soon make it very convenient, cheap,inevitable that a well meaning agency can sieve through entire years of URLs in very little time…..its too tempting……its human nature ….example
Filter for known illegal sites……algorithms can be tailored for misdemeanors and felonies….hell they can just mail you a citation….who is going to go to court for a small fine?…..it just gets more 1984 from there….consider that private business isn’t under the same restraints as the government. The existing Ore that has been mined?……do you believe it’s been destroyed?……we are facing an existential threat…..not quite as bad as WWII. rules were bent then…War powers act and others…..the resulting resentment allowed due process to be shelved and an entire people were interned in concentration camps..
A national shame that Japanese Americans will never forget.
My challenge to. America is……are you willing to take the risk of dying for your Ideals?….freedom isn’t free and that means. rank and file civilians will have to assume risks heretofore nonexistent on mainland USA…..I am….I might be killed because I choose privacy over security… Fine…nobody to cry at my funeral
You can’t have it both ways….something has to give….the people tasked with protecting you understand this perfectly. So should you.
Literally paid to support Jeb Bush.
I don’t need other people to protect me, thank you very much. You and Bush can both go screw yourselves…and all your little statist friends too.
Is there something wrong with your “.” key?
by his statements alone, you can tell that his advisers (or his source) are thieves – not computer experts. They sound like high school kids, with the answers to the test – but now that it’s test time, the test has been switched, and the answers have been changed and locked up… and now their pissed because they can find or break into the area where the answers are stored.
Somebody decided to copy Cameron, because this is such a good idea! Please, Republican voters, do not give him any more credibility. He’s a worse choice than Trump.
To the contrary, encryption is the best chance we have to fight mass surveillance: https://tutanota.de/blog/posts/encryption-mass-surveillance
“We are obliged to protect our privacy and our freedom of speech in order to keep up the values of our free democracies. The opposite – all-round surveillance – is just too devastating.”
I think Jeb is absolutely right, all those evildoing bankers and wallstreet brokers have been evildoers for much too long. They should be required to operate on servers that are completely transparent to our government so that the next time they crash the economy for profit they can be immediately be tried and punished as the terrorists that they are.
I don’t believe that Jeb Bush completely grasped this topic as was evidenced in his response to Meserve’s point.
better encryption for all will result in fewer opportunities for bad guys to exploit / attack and profit. Remove profit opportunity and they will move on to other targets. This approach also applies to business: reduces relative risk of industrial espionage (I am talking to you China and Russia!)
Mr. Bush needs to revisit his position on this.
I’m starting to think that if the government (and law enforcement) isn’t stopped/blocked/stymied from its penchant for spying on everyone, irregardless of whether they’ve done anything wrong (or not) it will literally be the beginning of the end of this country.
I can envision all kinds of horrible scenarios where this power is abused. They keep unspooling in my mind.
He neglected to mentions that ending encryption does not only allow law enforcement to go after ‘evildoers’ but allows a police state to spy on everyone giving them the ability to shut down dissenters and quash free speech.
They have spied on war protesters, environmentalists, Monsanto protesters, inequality opponents, etc. He and his ilk are not looking to be governors of the people, but are desirous of being in control or overlords of the citizenry. They are merely authoritarians hiding behind a bunch of scare words used to keep the populace docile and compliant.
“They have spied on war protesters, environmentalists, Monsanto protesters, inequality opponents, etc. ”
What in Jeb’s world are known as “evildoers.”
“He and his ilk”… by this you mean the whole political elite of the United States? Because I can’t name even one anti-authoritarian politician who was actually in a position of power. Sanders and Paul are the closest we have in the current primaries, afaik, and both seem like they’d lose the general election even if somehow they get past the primaries.
Lurking in every bush is — more or less 50/50 — a hole or a dick.
Here we have one more dick pleading how very much we need holes.
How can they build the panopticon if encryption is not criminalized?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gLKggzj9g
Tell Jebbie I’sa scared that ISIL will rape me when I get all these extra holes he’ll make for me to bleed from. I just got back from a fratty facebook party and can’t remember why my pants are on backwards. Zip me up, Carmine? So galante.
Yup, I’m sick of the fucks who think rape is a relative crime they can turn to when they want to make the media propaganda heat shine so bright on their targets one need seek shade from their well hoisted brutality. Meanwhile another asks us to imagine the confusion of the poor led on monsters at finishing schools…to please the gang or fail to perform to their traditional standards? What would NSA do?
That relativity would be incest, arm rest. Betrayl and exploitation are WORSE than ISIL rape!! No one yet has the skills to make this argument, but I’ll keep trying, Napoleon. NSA, you betray us everyday. GCHQ, you pervy monsters!!
Fuck you, NSA you can’t signal for SHITE!! You and your media feeds are only buying cover for homegrown rapists like the Bill you taught your skill set to, I Spy. Thinking of your psych rapes, that makes data more dangerous than dating these days, so many holes…and the viruses are to dive for!
You make it look so easy!
Jebbie wouldn’t know a criminal if he carried an organizer into the meeting. Is he running for Ripper Van Winkle? Who doesn’t want to be the target of British people? Jebbie, right, Q? How do you get through to him? He doesn’t carry a Hillary.
Pretty much the exact same thing Carly Fiorina said at the debate.
Most Americans still have no clue what this issue is about. When people who read The Intercept hear a candidate say stuff like that we understand that it means they are for the US government being able to watch everything you do.
When the other 99% of Americans hear them say stuff like that they hear “I’m not going to let these greedy companies stand n the way of your safety”
It’s hopeless. The American people are too fucking stupid to be saved from a police state.
Why would Jeb want to close the barn door if he’s in league with the telephony data rustlers? How else will they strip us daily of our dignity and sell us off like their private property to Big Bother? You really needs to stop going through our drawers, Jared.
See, criminals don’t want us using encryption either. That would sorta blow this hole market scheme to hell, bean stalkers. $30K just to tell Gates his fly is open? Can’t we see this is a protection racket with a side of obstruction of justice that serves our pocketed protectors AND their adversaries in digital secretions?
Yup, Jeb’s a Crook. He just knows people who can make bad data disappear. He has no fear of Tempora. Right, GCHQ? We know the way you do.
This is a ‘problem-solution’ event.
Problem: American’s are losing their PII to hackers
Solution: Strong Encryption
Problem: Government has a war on terror to fight
Solution: Develop new technologies to spy on the bad guys that don’t expose good guys personal info to bad guys.
This may even create new jobs and be the start of a new industry.
Here is what Jeb and Hillary and Donald and
every (corporate owned party) candidate are about.
The human resources (known as the voters) must be led to believe
that in order to be especially patriotic
they must surrender their “rights” to proudly prove that their lives
are the epitome of freedom.
This kind of devious perverse thinking is nothing new.
Look at the plethora of “treaties” which were used to remove the original
inhabitants of what is now the fake USA.
What went around is still going around.
If you are not rich and powerful, you are an “indian.”
Jeb has no chance, should have listened to Mommy…
Why shouldn’t Bush be expected to come out for universal spying on every email? After all, Hillary is sinking because she didn’t “voluntarily” (in the modern sense of the word) make sure that every email would be available for surveillance!
People have been talking about redesigning currency. The person who obviously needs to go on is Joe McCarthy. After all, he is the founding father of the modern Republican Party, and to its owners, the Republican Party is America, therefore. If the Democrats ever want to have a chance they need to set up some kind of lineup, 20 candidates each ready to take over from the next at a minute’s notice as the newest grand inquisition takes the last one out. But then again I suppose the Republicans would just buy one and wait till he came up. Perhaps a better question is whether all the people who ever sent Hillary an email that might be construed by a HUAC committee sometime over the next decade to have contained some sensitive data might be able to wangle asylum in China in exchange for helpful advice.
A sad thing is, picture the level of trust and protection for human rights that must exist in the government that a Secretary of State would believe it is safer and more secure to keep emails in a converted bathroom closet run by someone who literally chants a security-through-obscurity mantra ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201367/Hillary-s-email-firm-run-loft-apartment-servers-BATHROOM-raising-new-questions-security-sensitive-messages-held.html ) “‘Our internal network was extremely secure. At the time Inca St was a relatively obscure location, second floor office…” That is the government that Bush wants to have back door access to every communication!!
Hillary’s most visible sin is arrogance. She clearly tried to do ‘whatever she felt like’ including having another head of state that actually did play ball with the US gov’t killed because she decided that she could.
One contributing sin to the said arrogance seems to be some incredibly deep stupidity. As she voluntarily removed herself from the normal world as her husband was climbing up politically, the separation seems to have caused some bizarre self-perception as a super-human or post-human, all powerful, liberated from the traditional and boring moral and ethical restrictions that most human try to at least appear to observe.
It’s possible that what some of us see as an evil, vindictive, stupid and depressingly boring bitch is a World Saviour in her own mind and in the minds of her mindless groupies.
Hmmm…unclear how they hooked up, but how hilarious it’s a Denver lid. That’s who blew the Dome, Tea Pots! Told ya Data is the New Oil. This practice was in its infancy as muckity mucks learned how to avoid Prism. Like GOP and Tories don’t use the Cone of Silence.
See, I’m still miffed no one cares that Cameron’s email in a criminal suspect’s BlackBerry with the very same set up, quasi-personal and professional, was “compressed” into a metadata file after spending a month in police custody.
Was that until Tempora could deliver the “pizza?’
I really wanted to get down to the bottom of that wiped server’s service provider especially since a court had ordered all email pertaining to business be retained. Perversion of justice, no less. The UK government claimed it could not recapture her server’s contents, but her employees and 70 plus arrestees felt the heat. See, this is an exclusive program for EXECUTIVES. So imagine how little they cared to try.
Just as useless and morally corrupted as his sibling.
But the horse bolted that barn 20 years ago. Everyone has access to Pretty Good Privacy and so can encrypt their mails in unbreakable code. Every terrorist can do it. It’s only normal folk and businesses who exchange information in the open. Is it this group that Jebbie frets about?
the panopticon is being built, encryption is a threat to its construction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gLKggzj9g
Badlipreading brings you the first! 2015! GOP debate!! As usual, BLR makes them make sense, or … at least … more sense than they usually do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU
Cover your keyboards. It’s the thing the tuna melt does. Is this a great country, or what?
Mindless drivel.
I’ve seen the major propaganda recently to rally against encryption, and it’s truly frightening, to actually think these people have our best interests in mind by increased surveillance. They only need us to place our tablets so they can see all we do and say! 1984 is upon us and the government wants total access. They don’t want to have to get warrants any more or work to gain access to our information. It’s time to take a stand and try to get a little bit of our dignity and privacy back. I’m looking to get encryption before it;s too late.
Another brainless twerp who will give himself “teleprompter whiplash” every time he speaks – just like the current incarnation.
We all comment the truth and complain to each other.
We need to share with other sites.
Vote Jeb…
Vote Hilary. ..
George Zimmerman. ..
Vote Cruz…
Fox…..
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What do you expect from the likes of Jeb BUSH?
His father, grandfather, and brother were all fascists. That he got elected to do anything shows how the American people can be led down the same path the Germans and Italians took. If it wasn’t so pathetic it could be humorous.
Floridians may have gone for this. I don’t think the American people – or even the much smaller percentage who vote – are that stupid.
Whoa! Several generations of Americans have proved you wrong, including yours, mine, and the batch in the pipeline. Watch for more evidence in the public domain after polls close on Tuesday, November 8, 2016.
oops… he just bit the dust.
Encryption is here to stay and it is only going to get better. To argue against encryption is tantamount to arguing against the wheel. Politicians have created the perfect storm by allowing the NSA/5 Eyes ubiquitous (often illegal) spying privileges and those of us how demand a real democracy also demand privacy. Encryption will always have a market and will always improve. Good bye Big Brother, Little Brother has grown up.
You’d think his advisers would have prompted him with a comeback to this:
It’s one of the obvious ones. “If A comes up, sir, you say B, and they have said C or D on this point, so you say …”
It’s a good point, except they need a candidate who’s quicker on the uptake.
If encryption makes it harder for the police to do their job, then what about the Fourth Amendment more broadly? Doesn’t the prohibition against random searches of our homes and random body-cavity searches on the street also allow some law-breakers to evade the police? I suppose we’ll be expected to submit to those kinds of random searches next, just so the police don’t have to work as hard?
Fuck you, Bush, you moronic statist. And fuck all who think like you.
Three cheers! My sentiments exactly.
Slate makes a good point in this article:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/08/default_smartphone_encryption_will_stop_more_crimes_than_it_permits.html
Thanks for that article Nate. This part jumped out at me, “…there is a thriving market for even locked smartphones, as demonstrated by a quick search on eBay.”
WTF?
Jeb Bush is a cowardly, ignorant little pea brain. He knows not of what he spouts.
The most frightening thing about this guy is that there is a non-zero probability of his being the next president. When Ronnie Ray Gun started his campaign, many of us laughed him off, believing that nobody so ignorant could possibly be elected. Well, we forgot H.L. Mencken’s maxim. So unless you are part of the 30% who believe the earth is flat, get ready to get out of here.
Jeb Bush: making Donald Trump look attractive.
Whoa there, let’s not go too far…
Jeb! isn’t an obvious goofball like Rick Perry, or an obvious loon like this guy.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/19/mike-huckabee-blunders-his-way-through-israel-press-conference
So that puts him ahead of much of the GOP carnival cruz right there. Reagan’s talent was that he didn’t look or talk like an extremist.
I would argue that Jeb! not being an obvious goofball like Perry or an obvious loon line Huckabee makes him all the more dangerous. In a field that includes those folks plus Walker, Jindal, Santorum, Trump, and Fiorina (surely I have left someone out) Bush lite-to-the-second-power might appear to be a moderate, the lessor of many evils. Hence the greater cause for fear.
Yo, Jebby, if you want “…to make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst” how about we start with the known war criminals from your brother’s administration that originally gave the orders for torturing prisoners? A little too close to home for your two rules of law, perhaps, or maybe you just think that was all “…a pretty good deal,” too?
I’m not sure if it’s that Jeb’s just a Hillary – or if Hillary’s just a Jeb…
Haven’t we read this comic book before?
I think it was called “Plutocrat and the Power of Babble.”
The notion that tech companies are not already completely compliant with the government is laughably obtuse. This is a grand appeal to the unwashed masses of illiterati to continue jumping at shadows from inside their holding cells. Corn-fed and hopeless.
Mr. Bush should publicly cut up and burn all of his Credit cards, as they all use that EVIL encryption.
ATMs must forthwith send all data in the clear, in the case a terrorist makes a cash withdrawal.
I should add bus and ski passes, but I can’t imagine this bozo boarding public transit, and there aren’t that many mountains in Florida.
And of course, he should never have any expectation of privacy when discussing with campaign donors. Bring it all out in the clear.
And let’s not forget DRM and media encryption. Why should Tinseltown be entitled to any special status?
The USPTO should also scrap its encrypted patent filing system. And your 1040s must also be uploaded in the clear, you never know.
And this is why he will lose the election…
“Evil-doers,” eh, Bushie? It’s like he’s talking to a bunch of fifth graders. I think he’s stupider than his brother.
“evildoers”
anyone who doesn’t want to be spied-on by the government is a “evildoer”
NSA / FBI COINTELPRO Stalking Stasi SS
quote”Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush said Tuesday that encryption makes it harder for law enforcement to track down “evildoers”…”unquote
Evildoers. Sheezushfuckingcrist. If I hear that stupid, idiotic, moronic euphemism come out of this halfwit’s mouth one more time I’m going to explode. On the other hand, given his brother is the poster child for Evildoers-R-Us, I’ll give him credit for using it this time.
As for his opinion on encryption.. de-crypt this, asshole….http://imgfave-herokuapp-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/image_cache/1419013221866.jpg
Evildoers indeed. Abbot, Cameron, Harper et al have a new word to play with.
How about Cameron’s email getting compressed into metadata while it spent a month in a BlackBerry in police custody under supsicion of corruption? That’s how long Tempora takes to make our missives into metadata. So these users of secret squirrel cages don’t just place government data at risk using these secretion systems, they also PERVERT JUSTICE by destroying their own evidence of evildoing. Two tiered evil protection.
I do believe someone should be keeping tabs on “evildoers” like his brother, and Cheney while they are at it (with a warrant, though.)
Wow, what a fan of big government, the surveillance state and the abuse it waits to impart to the Republic when the right leader comes to power (as Nixon, McCarthy and Hoover have shown previously they do come along every once in a while and would love these capabilities we have now).
This is quite literally the question of giving people the power to have front door locks (i.e. privacy) on their communications / computer information or have no locks on the front door of your computer house because the government wants it that way so things are easy to search through.
Between saying in the invasion of Iraq for nuclear weapons (which weren’t there) was a good thing and then this simpletons take on a huge privacy issue it makes one wonder what, if anything, is going on between the ears of ol’ Jeb.