There is no shortage of American pundits who love to denounce “PC” speech codes that restrict and punish the expression of certain ideas on college campuses. What these self-styled campus-free-speech crusaders typically — and quite tellingly — fail to mention is that the most potent such campaigns are often devoted to outlawing or otherwise punishing criticisms of Israel. The firing by the University of Illinois of Professor Steven Salatia for his “uncivil” denunciations of the Israeli war on Gaza — a termination that was privately condoned by Illinois Democratic Senator Dick Durbin — is merely illustrative of this long–growing trend.
One of the most dangerous threats to campus free speech has been emerging at the highest levels of the University of California system, the sprawling collection of 10 campuses that includes UCLA and UC Berkeley. The university’s governing Board of Regents, with the support of University President Janet Napolitano and egged on by the state’s legislature, has been attempting to adopt new speech codes that — in the name of combating “anti-Semitism” — would formally ban various forms of Israel criticism and anti-Israel activism.
Under the most stringent such regulations, students found to be in violation of these codes would face suspension or expulsion. In July, it appeared that the Regents were poised to enact the most extreme version, but decided instead to push the decision off until September, when they instead would adopt non-binding guidelines to define “hate speech” and “intolerance.”
One of the Regents most vocally advocating for the most stringent version of the speech code is Richard Blum, the multi-millionaire defense contractor who is married to Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California. At a Regents meeting last week, reported the Los Angeles Times, Blum expressly threatened that Feinstein would publicly denounce the university if it failed to adopt far more stringent standards than the ones it appeared to be considering, and specifically demanded they be binding and contain punishments for students found to be in violation.
The San Francisco Chronicle put it this way: “Regent Dick Blum said his wife, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., ‘is prepared to be critical of this university’ unless UC not only tackles anti-Jewish bigotry but also makes clear that perpetrators will be punished.” The lawyer Ken White wrote that “Blum threatened that his wife … would interfere and make trouble if the Regents didn’t commit to punish people for prohibited speech.” As campus First Amendment lawyer Ari Cohn put it the following day, “Feinstein and her husband think college students should be expelled for protected free speech.”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., left, and her husband, Richard Blum, in the audience prior to a debate between California gubernatorial candidates at Dominican University of California in San Rafael, Calif., Oct. 12, 2010.
Photo: Paul Sakuma/AP
I should add that over the weekend my wife, your senior Senator, and I talked about this issue at length. She wants to stay out of the conversation publicly but if we do not do the right thing she will engage publicly and is prepared to be critical of this university if we don’t have the kind of not only statement but penalties for those who commit what you can call them crimes, call them whatever you want. Students that do the things that have been cited here today probably ought to have a dismissal or a suspension from school. I don’t know how many of you feel strongly that way but my wife does and so do I.
Sarah McLaughlin of the campus free-speech group FIRE wrote: “Yes, a UC Regent flatly threatened the university with political consequences if it failed to craft a ‘tolerance’ policy that would punish — and even expel — its violators.”
In response to inquiries from The Intercept, Feinstein refused to say whether her husband was authorized to make such threats on her behalf, but she refused to distance herself from them. “This is a matter before the University of California and Senator Feinstein has no comment at this time,” her Press Secretary said.
The specific UC controversy is two-fold: whether, in combating “anti-semitism,” the university should adopt the State Department’s controversial 2010 definition of that term, and separately, whether students who express ideas that fall within that definition should be formally punished up to and including permanent expulsion. What makes the State Department definition so controversial — particularly for an academic setting — is that alongside uncontroversial and obvious examples of classic bigotry (e.g., expressing hateful or derogatory sentiments toward Jews generally), that definition includes a discussion of what it calls “Anti-Semitism Relative to Israel.”How does speech about Israel become “anti-Semitic”? According to the State Department, “anti-Semitism” includes those who (1) “Demonize Israel” by “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” or “blaming Israel for all inter-religious or political tensions”; (2) espouse a “Double standard for Israel” by “requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation” or “multilateral organizations focusing on Israel only for peace or human rights investigations”; or (3) “Delegitimize Israel” by “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, and denying Israel the right to exist.” The State Department generously adds this caveat at the end: “criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.”
The ironies of this definition are overwhelming. First, it warns against advocating a “double standard for Israel” — at exactly the same time that it promulgates a standard that applies only to Israel. Would the State Department ever formally condemn what it regards as excessive or one-sided criticism of any other government, such as Russia or Iran? Why isn’t the State Department also accusing people of bigotry who create “double standards” for Iran by obsessing over the anti-gay behavior of Iran while ignoring the same or worse abuses in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Uganda? The State Department is purporting to regulate the discourse surrounding just one country — Israel — while at the same time condemning “double standards.”
Worse, this State Department definition explicitly equates certain forms of criticism of Israel or activism against Israeli government policies with “anti-Semitism.” In other words, the State Department embraces the twisted premise that a defining attribute of “Jews” everywhere is the actions of the Israeli government, which is itself a longstanding anti-Semitic trope.
But most important of all, whatever you think of this State Department definition, it has no place whatsoever regulating which ideas can and cannot be expressed in an academic institution, particularly one that is run by the state (such as the University of California). Adoption of this “anti-Semitism” definition clearly would function to prohibit the advocacy of, say, a one-state solution for the Israel-Palestine conflict, or even the questioning of a state’s right to exist as a non-secular entity. How can anyone think it’s appropriate to declare such ideas off limits in academic classrooms or outlaw them as part of campus activism?
To ban the expression of any political ideas in such a setting would not only be wildly anti-intellectual but also patently unconstitutional. As UC Irvine School of Law Dean Erwin Chemerinsky put it today in an LA Times op-ed: “There unquestionably is a 1st Amendment right to argue against (or for) the existence of Israel or to contend that it should meet (or not have to meet) higher standards of human rights than other nations.” Even the now-retired Executive Director of the Anti-Defamation League Abraham Foxman — while arguing that “the effort to support boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel, is sinister and malicious and is having a negative effect on Jewish students on some campuses and on the wider Jewish community” — acknowledged in May that such bans would be clearly unconstitutional:
Legislation that bars BDS activity by private groups, whether corporations or universities, strikes at the heart of First Amendment-protected free speech, will be challenged in the courts and is likely to be struck down. A decision by a private body to boycott Israel, as despicable as it may be, is protected by our Constitution. Perhaps in Europe, where hate speech laws exist and are acceptable within their own legal frameworks, such bills could be sustained. But not here in America.
But none of that seems to matter to Dianne Feinstein and her war-profiteering husband, Richard Blum. Not only is Blum demanding adoption of the State Department definition, despite the fact that (more accurately: because) it would encompass some forms of BDS activism and even criticisms of Israel. But, worse, he’s also insisting that it be binding and that students who express the ideas that fall within the State Department definition be suspended from school or expelled. And he’s overtly threatening that if he does not get his way, then his wife 0- “Your Senior Senator” — will get very upset and start publicly attacking the university, a threat that public school administrators who rely on the government for their budgets take very seriously.
This behavior is as adolescent as it is despotic. Does anyone believe that college and post-graduate students should be able to express only those ideas about Israel that Dianne Feinstein and her war-profiteering husband deem acceptable?
It’s no mystery what this is really about. The Israeli government and its most devoted advocates around the world are petrified at the growing strength of the movement to boycott Israeli goods in protest of the almost five-decade occupation. As Foxman conceded, the boycott idea “seems to be picking up steam, particularly on college campuses across the United States. While no universities have yet adopted or implemented BDS, there are a growing number of campuses — now up to 29 — where student organizations have held votes to determine whether they support BDS.” Just this week, the City Council of Reykjavik, the largest city in Iceland, voted to boycott all Israeli goods as long as the occupation persists (days later, the City quickly retracted the vote, citing the unexpectedly intense “backlash” from Israel).
After the horrific massacre they committed in Gaza last summer, followed by its devastating defeat on the Iran Deal, the Israeli government is rapidly losing the PR battle around the world, and they know it. The boycott movement scares them above all else because it is predicated on the truth that they are most eager to suppress: the similarities between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and the apartheid policies of South Africa (which were undermined by a global boycott movement and which the world now universally regards as evil).
Since they are losing the debate about this movement, the Israeli government and its loyalists are instead seeking to suppress it altogether, to literally outlaw it. Recall that in May, the right-wing Canadian government threatened hate speech charges against those who advocate a boycott of Israel; the country’s Liberal Leader, Justin Trudeau, decreed via Twitter that “the BDS movement, like Israeli Apartheid Week, has no place on Canadian campuses.” Back in 2013, the ADL took out a full-page ad in the New York Times announcing that “the movement to boycott, divest from and sanction Israel — known as BDS — is anti-Semitic hate speech.”
The effort to formally re-define “anti-Semitism” to include certain criticisms of and activism against the Israeli government has been coordinated and deliberate. That history is laid out with ample evidence here by the non-profit group Palestine Legal; here by Ali Abunimah’s book The Battle for Justice in Palestine, the relevant portion of which was published by The Intercept; and here by the writer and activist Ben White. In essence, this re-definition was first promulgated by Israeli lobbyists and academics, imposed with varying degrees of success on the EU, and then successfully imported into the Clinton-led State Department.
It’s one thing to apply political pressure to induce governments to adopt speech-repressive definitions of “anti-Semitism” that are non-binding. It’s another thing entirely to try to import them onto state-run college campuses where they are used to outlaw the expression of certain forms of criticisms of the Israeli government. And it’s another thing entirely for a prominent public official like Dianne Feinstein to have her husband throw their ample financial and political weight around in order to threaten and bully school administrators to ban ideas that this power couple dislike and punish the students who express them.
The obvious goal with this UC battle is to institutionalize the notion on American college campuses that activism against the Israeli government is not merely wrong but is actually “hate speech” that should subject its student advocates (or professors) to severe punishment. If this menacing censorship is allowed to take hold in an academic system as large and influential as the University of California, then it’s much easier for the censors to point to it in the future as a model, in order to infect other academic institutions in the U.S. and around the world. That’s all the more reason to vehemently oppose it in this instance. If defenders of Israel are determined to defeat the boycott movement, they’ll have to find other ways to do it besides rendering its advocacy illegal and, in the process, destroying the long-cherished precept of free speech in academia.
We need to boycott nations that permit ANY of the following:
1) Female genital mutilation
2) Punishing rape victims
3) Honor killing
4) Strapping bombs to children
5) Sexually enslaving women
6) Murdering homosexuals
7) Child marriage
8) Domestic Violence
9) Disciplining or Punishing Wives
Senator Feinstein is a war-mongering traitor who should be in prison. What a joke American media is for keeping truth from the public.
So correct!
So correct!
Speech Control, Another Zionist Torpedo In The US’S Liberty
Thanks for the article and revealing the truth. Sadly, it is not too surprising. In addition, Diane Feinstein is as corrupt as a politician can be and her husband knows that the best. How tragic for the American people to have their liberty diminished.
“According to the State Department, “anti-Semitism” includes those who (1) “Demonize Israel” by “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”
Sounds like an insult to Nazis.
No reason to compare Zionists to Nazis.
Zionist stands on its own as a pejorative.
Mona
You are probably one of the best examples of an anti-Jewish extreme left wing bigot I can conjure up. You are the best example I have ever come across.
Keep up the good work
Craig
Anti-semites project the faults of a few upon all Jews. Zionists demand it.
Below, Craig Summers hilariously declares that the BDS movement “has failed.” Well, he best be telling that to Tel Aviv!
Israel is becoming a pariah; it’s status as that increases daily. For that reason, the Israeli government has been forced to pay attention to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, even calling it an “existential threat.”
Many factors have compelled this jerk to attention. Among them that the obscene carnage Israel inflicted on Gaza duering the summer of 2014 went viral online and the world stood appalled; BDS was put on steroids (tho it was working before that). Israel’s farmers demanded something be done:
So, finally, the Israeli government — at the highest levels — is paying attention, as much as it has tried not to. Do you really think you’ll hear no more of FIFA sanctioning Israel? Israeli officials don’t:
And:
May the “failure” as seen in Craigworld continue!
Israel also created the Hasbara movement to counter the lying left on issues like delegitimization of the Jewish state, apartheid and the Nazi comparisons. Just because they are countering the BDS movement, it does not mean that it has been a success. Quite the contrary.
The BDS movement is simply about replacing the Jewish majority state with a two Palestinian majority states. It’s doomed to fail on that basis alone.
That may be the net end result, similar to the campaign concerning apartheid South Africa, where that effort finally succeeded in changing the amoral conditions in that country.
But in both cases, it really wasn’t and isn’t about replacing a majority; it was and is about eliminating the power of one group of humans over another via artificial and contrived means – so in these cases it’s simply renaming a faux-majority so that they become what they truly are:
Just another group of humans with equal rights to self-determination and autonomy.
Mona is finally right! BDS is a massive success. You just have to look at the disastrous economic results of Israel, the huge reduction of Palestinian casualties, and the great success of the Palestinian economy. Keep it up! Thanks to BDS life for Palestinians, specially Gazans have been so much better for the last few years!
Etched on one of the main buildings on the campus of the University of Texas is the following: SEEK THE TRUTH AND IT WILL SET YOU FREE.>
Gee this is like the most odious power couple around and stuff and the lame dude chucked his nuts or somethun after the wedding cause his bitch got the power nyuk nyuk
Like it or not we Americans are forcibly required by our beholden politicians to send our declining wages and limited treasury dollars to Israel. This gives each and everyone of us the right and obligation to criticize any aspect of Israel and their actions. We own a piece of it.
A secondary more troubling aspect of this is how the GOP wants to cut funding for USA institutions that provide free birth control, while billions of our money is sent to Israel so they can offer abortion on demand.
Mr. Greenwald
“…..The university’s governing Board of Regents, with the support of University President Janet Napolitano and egged on by the state’s legislature, has been attempting to adopt new speech codes that — in the name of combating “anti-Semitism” — would formally ban various forms of Israel criticism and anti-Israel activism…..”
There is no question that the University of California will violate freedom of speech if the rules are adopted by the University. It is much better to hear the anti-Jewish bigots than quell their speech with threats. However, no one should mistake your political motivations for this article. You have a long history of anti-Israel activism which supersedes any real concern for freedom of speech in this case:
“Large and extremely influential Jewish donor groups are the ones agitating for a US war against Iran, and that is the case because those groups are devoted to promoting Israel’s interests.” (a false assertion proven wrong by the nuclear agreement with Iran)
“…..“The point is that the power the [Israel lobby] exercises [is] harmful in the extreme. They use it to squelch debate, destroy the careers and reputations of those who deviate from their orthodoxies, and compel both political parties to maintain strict adherence to an agenda that is held by a minority of Americans; that is principally concerned with the interests of a foreign country.”…..” (promoting a classic Jewish trope. By the way, were any laws broken by the Israeli lobby?)
Like all extreme leftists, you have a fixation for Israel (couched in human rights – and now free speech) which goes well beyond the standard answer: they are America’s Ally.
Of course, you object to charges of antisemitism when “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”. You compared Netanyahu to Goebels. An idiotic comparison, but done maliciously none the less. Of course you object to a “Double standard for Israel” by “requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation”. You – like all extremist on the left- are fixated on Israel at the expense of human rights just about everywhere else in the world. How many articles on Israel now? Indeed, you published one article in support of Putin’s war of aggression in Ukraine (fighting the fascists) where thousands of innocent people have been killed. And the Intercept published a hard hitting (and embarrassing) on how Putin controls the Internet. Jesus, who fucking cares? That’s the double standard of the fringe left. And who can forget the dead Palestinian child at the head of one of your articles while the Jewish child murdered at the same time was left out. Double standard? Where would anyone get such an idea?
“……The boycott movement scares them above all else because it is predicated on the truth that they are most eager to suppress: the similarities between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and the apartheid policies of South Africa (which were undermined by a global boycott movement and which the world now universally regards as evil)……”
This is the far left gone totally mad – and as usual – lying for political expediency. The policies of Israel wrongly prevent Palestinian self-determination, but in no way does the Jewish state resemble apartheid South Africa. Just review the laws of Apartheid South Africa. Only by comparing Israel to the vilest regimes of the twentieth century can far left activists hope to conjure up opposition to the Jewish state. But the comparisons are ridiculous. That’s why the boycott has failed. You have simply become another card carrying member of the lying left.
The BDS campaign has failed simply because to implement their demands means the end to a Jewish majority state – the only one in the world. That is something you understand, of course, but for political reasons, you fail to inform the reader. This is gutless advocacy journalism at its worst.
Here’s an article to cheer you up. David Horowitz is working for and spending money for the spread of all of the propaganda that you are so fond of and that you also try so hard to spread.
Geert Wilders’ Dutch anti-Muslim party forced to reveal US donor
Thanks for the article.
“…….In 2010[140] Anwar al-Awlaki published a hit list in his Inspire magazine, including Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Salman Rushdie along with cartoonists Lars Vilks and three Jyllands-Posten staff members: Kurt Westergaard, Carsten Juste, and Flemming Rose.[141][142][143] The list was later expanded to include Stéphane “Charb” Charbonnier, who was murdered in a terror attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris, along with 11 other people. After the attack, Al-Qaeda called for more killings.[144]…..”
Awlaki also called for the death of the Seattle cartoonist, Molly Norris, in 2010. While radical Islamists are a threat to free speech in the west (and to those who criticize the Koran and/or Muhammad), they are a much bigger threat to Muslims who they continue to murder at an unprecedented rate – all over the world – for power. Go figure. It wasn’t that we bombed seven Muslim countries after all. Thousands of fanatical Muslims have left Europe to join ISIS – to kill more Muslims.
It’s an interesting problem for those who believe our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan (killing Muslims) are responsible for the increased terrorism. Why do they hate us used to be asked by western liberals? Now, one might ask why they hate Muslims. Instead of staying in Europe where native Europeans (white people) are easily accessible to murder, they chose to go to Iraq and Syria to murder Muslims instead.
Why do they hate Muslims? Lord knows……
Thanks Kitt
“It’s an interesting problem for those who believe our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan (killing Muslims) are responsible for the increased terrorism. Why do they hate us used to be asked by western liberals? Now, one might ask why they hate Muslims. Instead of staying in Europe where native Europeans (white people) are easily accessible to murder, they chose to go to Iraq and Syria to murder Muslims instead.”
Ahhh, because westerners and their extremist Wahhabist allies pay, and arm them too.
It is interesting that the people who find that comparing the Israeli regime (a militaristic, supremacist regime that styles itself the reincarnation of a regime out of history, has expanded its territory through ‘wars of self defence’ that involved it attacking first, has overrun the refugee camps of those expelled by force, or fleeing ethnic cleansing campaign, from its territory, and has complete disdain for the notion it is even subject to things like the Geneva Conventions, let alone has to live up to agreements it has signed) to the Nazi regime is so ludicrous as to warrant the instant dismissal of not just the person making the comparison, but every cause they are supporting, and every other supporter of those causes, NEVER consider that the (to borrow from John Stewart) ‘Nazi Tourette’s’ of Netanyahu and the regime when it comes to those who are calling them out over the refusal of the regime to respect the Geneva Conventions, the NNPT, to acknowledge that the population of the state the regime rules over includes the Refugees from that territory (which, interestingly enough, if one applies the international norms that South Africa eventually accepted when it abandoned Apartheid, would, like in South Africa, see the proclaimed ‘majority’ ethnic group in the state become a minority). By your very own standards, you should be calling out Netanyahu, his supporters, and anyone who gives what he says any credibility, for racism, hatemongering, ignorance, and ‘delegitimization’ when he trots out the Nazi comparisons.
Richard
I didn’t really need to read past your first sentence to understand your political agenda (“…..a militaristic, supremacist regime……”). However, you managed one interesting sentence in your post:
“……to acknowledge that the population of the state the regime rules over includes the Refugees from that territory (which, interestingly enough, if one applies the international norms that South Africa eventually accepted when it abandoned Apartheid, would, like in South Africa, see the proclaimed ‘majority’ ethnic group in the state become a minority)…….”
………and the ‘minority’ ethnic population becomes a majority. That’s OK in the world of the intolerant extreme left. It’s OK to create Islamic majority states in Pakistan and Kosovo because Muslims are always the victims to western imperialism and colonialism (the most important “isms” of the fringe left). It’s just not OK to create a Jewish majority state in Palestine because Jews are a small population world-wide – and they mostly immigrated from colonialist Europe i.e., they are white (and therefore racists).
Certainly, you realize that there are only about 15 million Jews world-wide compared to a Muslim population of about 1-1/2 billion which drives the immigration and land policies of the Jewish state. So a policy of creating a homeland for Jews certainly motivated, in part, by centuries of antisemitism in Islamic and Christian majority countries – and especially murderous pogroms in eastern Europe in the late 1800s and early twentieth century is simply wrong because there are too few Jews in the world to sustain a majority population (without laws to maintain their majority status).
The hypocrisy and intolerance of the fringe left continues to amaze me.
Well, I wasn’t expecting racists like you to follow the logic that ethnic cleansing is a crime, that Apartheid is as illegal as slavery, or that the US (with the support of Canada) taking the position that it isn’t as long as the biggest dog in the yard says it isn’t quite literally hands that same authority to the Chinese when they decide they’re going to exercise it. No, I was merely laying out the facts so that no one can use the ‘we didn’t know’ excuse. It would be especially ironic, though, if China decided that the best way to deal with the American UNSC veto would be to recognize the American Indian nations as the legitimate deciders of who is a citizen of their territories (which cover all of Continental America) and that nobody else in what was the US has any rights, but instead are foreigners. After all, EVERY argument advanced as to why that should be the case for the parts of Palestine now branded as Israel would have even greater foundations in such a situation.
Ans then summarizing:
And the abysmal logic, hypocritical projections, and pigeonholing continues…
“The facts are always frightening, and in all of us fear of the facts is constantly at work, constantly being fuelled; but this morbid fear must not lead us to conceal the facts and so to falsify the whole of human history — which is of course part of natural history — and pass it on in falsified form just because it is customary to do so, when we know that all history is falsified and always transmitted in falsified form.”
? Thomas Bernhard
This is a fantasy; such people do not exist.
Moreover, this “fringe left” Craig endlessly rants about is a tautology; no matter what other views someone holds (unless they are rightwing Republicans or Nazis), supporting the Palestinians means a person is “fringe left” in Craig world. Their economic views could be similar to the economic policies in Israel — including the generous welfare state — but they are still “fringe left” purely by dint of being highly critical of Israel’s crimes.
Finally, keep in mind these are the judgments of a man who not only accepts torture; he embraces it enthusiastically. He’s a moral monster.
Craigsummers reaction to Greenwald’s article is unfortunately typical. I have few Jewish ‘friends’ left because they rely on the NYTimes, NPR, Washington Post and other mainstream media to inform them of what is happening in the world, and refuse to believe any other accounts of the way non jews are treated in Isreal, which supposedly a ‘democracy.’
Though my former friends are intelligent, liberal, even ‘progressive,’ they are remarkably blind and deaf to any information about racist measures taken by the israeli government against non-jews who live in israel, are born there or arrive there as political refugees. They are unconscious where the actions of the settlers toward palestinians is concerned.
Athough these exfriends of mine are sympathetic to the poor and support action against black inequality in the u.s.a., they fail to understand that isreali policies have created similar conditions there. They continue to see israel as the last bastion for jews and deny the very fact that a country which only accepts jews as citizens cannot be a democracy. The refuse to see that criticism of isreal is NOT criticism of jews, or that condemnation of the settlers is NOT condemnation of jews elsewhere.
I don’t think this mindless alignment with any/all isreali policies is likely to change; and as long as there is support in the u.s. for what israel does or says, I believe that israel will never strive for real peace anywhere.
The position taken by the influential couple in this article only underscores this belief.
All of my friends used to be Jewish, and all my employers, boyfriends etc. But when my life situation changed dramatically after a traumatic upheaval and I was forced to move to a different city, I found myself with no Jewish social/business connections at all. Except one: the mother of a little boy in my son’s class who is Jewish. We got along really great, until I gave her a copy of Max Blumenthal’s book “Goliath.” Then she stopped talking to me.
Did you actually stop talking to your Jewish friends over their political beliefs? Or did they stop talking to you over yours? Just curious.
Excellent response. What a one-sided venomous, treacherous evil bastard Greenwald is.
With such a hateful response Greewald must be doing something right.
What typical Craig bullshit. Glenn expects Israel to behave like a liberal Western democracy ought to; it doesn’t. Israel’s failure is extreme; it’s the worst of the so-called “liberal democracies.” By far. It has overwhelming chosen to enforce it’s “Jewish character” at the expense of anything remotely resembling a liberal democracy. It’s an ethno-religious supremacist apartheid state.
Moreover, Glenn Grennwald — of all people! — can’t reasonably be accused of supporting only left-wing speech. He’s against feminist reasons in France for wanting to impose all sorts of regulations on Twitter. He has opposed hate speech codes in the U.S. and everywhere in the West — for all of his adult life. Including hate speech directed at gays. He (and I) defended the free speech rights of virulent white supremacists when we practiced law.
Get real.
“……Moreover, Glenn Grennwald — of all people! — can’t reasonably be accused of supporting only left-wing speech. He’s against feminist reasons in France for wanting to impose all sorts of regulations on Twitter. He has opposed hate speech codes in the U.S. and everywhere in the West — for all of his adult life. Including hate speech directed at gays. He (and I) defended the free speech rights of virulent white supremacists when we practiced law…..”
First of all, Greenwald was paid for his services, OK? Second of all, he gave it all up to write political commentary – his true passion. No one can possibly mistake what his political commentary entails.
How is a Jewish State in 2015 different from a German state in 1932? Do they both not favor one group over all others? In no way other than that I have presented do I intend to say Israel is as evil as Germany between 1932-45. But they seem to have the idea that one group is superior to all others living within its political boundaries.
Good article. Skimmed abound the edges but it is a common theme in USA and world politics. Values lose out to Value. Honestly loses to greed. Integrity… well, that is not something seen in our politics for a long time.
Admittedly, I am not a deep scholar on Israel but I am pretty cynical when power, money and abuse are ignored in a discussion while critics are scrutinized not for the content of their position but for the choice of words.
Israel, the USA and all human run or occupied countries are all susceptible to the following – Power, money, greed and dishonesty in the pursuit and defense of power, money and greed
“Israel, the USA and all human run or occupied countries are all susceptible to the following – Power, money, greed and dishonesty in the pursuit and defense of power, money and greed”
Well put, I just saw ‘The Rape of NanKing’ , and Japan’s justification for it read just like every other invasion by a powerful regime after that, again, and again, and again. You can change the names, use different tongues, color the language, but the picture is always the same.
When you see a film reel of soldiers giving candy to children you can bet the farm there are atrocious murders behind the cameraman.
Ain’t it Blum that sells billions worth of arms and armaments? Ain’t it Dianne that legislates away endlessly on behalf of the “Homeland?” Ain’t it Blum that’s buying up US Post Offices on the WAY cheap and then selling them off at VAST profits? Ain’t he married to Dianne? Ick….
Dear Glenn:
Almost more than a year ago you said that the Snowden stuff was just the tip of the iceberg and the worst was yet to come. That was way before your book came out or any of that.
But since then you have almost published nothing new no more.
Could you please tell us, your fans, why?
And if the feds have forced you to remain silent or threatened your life, could you tell us that?
Thanks!
P.S. Glenn Greenwald rules!
I always wonder if the people who make such claims bother to read and research the articles and documents that have been published.
No Place To Hide was published in May or June of 2014.
Here is a link to a list of “raw source material” documents published at The Intercept. The dates are listed. Scads of them came after the publication of No Place to Hide.
https://theintercept.com/documents/
Just be aware, all of you who have made comments here critical of Israel and her agents and operatives, this could get you on the government’s no-fly list, watch list, hit list, shit list. Fightgangstalking.com has the most cogent information out there on this government run program. Or should I say pogrom. It’s definitely cleansing, perhaps not ethnic cleansing. Perhaps a better label would be political cleansing.
What are you talking about? I looked on that site and saw nothing about what you are saying.
What I’m talking about is Counterintelligence Stalking, also known as Cointelpro2, Gang Stalking, Community Stalking, and other slang terms.
It is a government-run program of intimidation and harassment to “neutralize” citizens deemed to be a threat to the establishment. It started with J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI in the 50s, was exposed in the early 70s and investigated by the Church Committee. It was supposed to have been shut down in (I believe) 1971, but it LIVES.
You will understand if you really read http://www.fightgangstalking.com. Start with the section titled “What is Gang Stalking”. You can also Google “Cointelpro” and “Church Committee” for background. Bon appetit!
Another very good source of information is http://www.nomoreinformants.com.
…..Feinstein has always represented Feinstein no matter which Feinstein….
….but, as to the Senator Feinstein, retirement would be a good choice for her so she could go somewhere quiet and rest….
PROsemitism ——- If there is an “antisemitism” there must be : “PROsemitism” PROsemitism must be a supporter of “semitism”, which ODDLY means Judaism even though most Jews are NOT semites and SUNNIsemites and SHIITTEsemites and CHRISTIANsemites are ignored. So, what are you supporting if you are a PROsemite? Well first of all we must define Judaism:
Judaism is neither a race or a religion, it is Xenophobic Tribalism.
XENOPHOBIC: n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
TRIBALISM: n.
1. The organization, culture, or beliefs of a tribe.
2. A strong feeling of identity with and loyalty to one’s tribe or group.
So right off the get-go PROsemites hate all NON-Jews, NON-members of YOUR group(TRIBE).
THAT means, that if I am not one of the TRIBE, you do not like me.
Since Jews brand all NON-Jews “gentile” and automatically denigrate them, to be PROsemitic one must by definition be ANTI-GENTILE.
They hate all NON-Jews so fundamentally, that they have to SPECIFICALLY NAME what they grudgingly term “RIGHTEOUS GENTILES”. Those are NON-Jewish HUMANS that went so far out of their way to help/save Jews that the Jews were FORCED to ACKNOWLEDGE the humanity of that specific ‘gentile”. You see, PROsemites do not acknowledge the EQUALITY of spirituality and humanity of “gentiles”
According to the SPLC & ADL an organization is a “HATE GROUP” if it has
“beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people”.
Jews have HATED CHRIST and his followers for 2,000 years. Go ask your Jewish friends to “acknowledge” Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was an anti-semite according to the Temple Priests who HEREM(excommunicated) Him just prior to crucifixion.
JUDAS ISCARIOT was a Jew —- in good standing with the Temple Priests.
Israeli Deputy Minister for Religious Affairs, Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan, from the settler party Habayit Hayehudi (Jewish Home) gave an interview [Heb] to the Israeli daily Ma’ariv 12/30/2013 on his party’s stance against gay marriage.
Here’s a snippet from the interview. Remember, this man is a high ranking government official in the only “democracy” in the Middle East.
Q: What will you do if the Knesset votes on a bill legalizing gay marriage?
A: No way. Also, a Jew cannot marry a gentile.
Q: Is that the same thing?
A: We don’t recognize either of them. And anyway, a Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he’s gay.
You made a big leap here, “So right off the get-go PROsemites hate all NON-Jews, NON-members of YOUR group(TRIBE).”
“Hate.” That is a generalization. I am sure it is true for some but not true for many others.
“THAT means, that if I am not one of the TRIBE, you do not like me.”
“Like.” That is another generalization. It is true for some people but not for others.
I have never liked the term gentile. There are so many different cultures, ethnicities and religions in the world, and to use one word to designate them all – not according to what they are, but according to what they are not – seems arrogant and superior to me. It also is inaccurate. A Hindu, a Catholic, a Jain, etc. are all described as gentiles? Why not call them by their proper names? Would that not be more respectful, and more accurate?
As for Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan, the Israeli Deputy Minister for Religious Affairs, he is clearly a Jewish bigot and racial supremacist.
Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan is now a deputy defense minister for Israel:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/deputy-defense-minister-denies-israel-spied-on-iran-nuke-talks/
One person. one vote.
A “University” further reduced to triviality.
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http://www.insurancefraud.org/fraud-why-worry.htm#.VglxRdjD83F
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi – D|CA – http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/video-podcast-media/video-speaker-nancy-pelosi-we-have-pass-health-care-bill-so-you-can-find-out-whats-it
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Homeland Security ~ if you see something, Say something:
Investigation and prosecution of fraud related to Federal Health Programs is the Responsibility of:
the HHS – Department of Health and Human Services,
the FBI – Federal Bureau of Investigations
and U.S. Attorneys / the Department of Justice
42 U.S.C. § 1986 provides that every person who has knowledge that a wrongful act is about to be committed and having the power to prevent the commission of such wrong neglects or refuses so to do, is liable to the party injured for all damages caused by the wrongful act. [CITE: 42CFR1003.105] Sec. 1003.105 EXCLUSION from participation in [ HCFA ] Medicare, Medicaid and all Federal health care programs [ OPM FEHB, TRICARE, CHAMPVA ]. A gross and flagrant violation is one that presents an Imminent DANGER _ criminal denial of contracted federal hospital insurance claims – Patient Dumping
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President Obama – http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=SGMedia&hsimp=yhs-sgm_fb&type=nt_fb.sshome_bgenrc&p=Obama+talks+about+his+mother+Health+Care – ” DENIAL of COVERED _ Federal Health Insurance _ CLAIMS ” _ ( PATIENT DUMPING, $25,000 felony each adverse determination — anti trust enforcement policy of his – U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ).
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Senator Carl Levin (D-MI)
5th-term Democrat from MICHIGAN
Committees:
• Armed Services , Chair
• Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
• Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Senator Levin [ Democrat MICHIGAN ] has worked hard to strengthen anti-money laundering laws and procedures to prevent terrorists and other criminals from using our financial systems against us.
From 1999 until 2001, through his role on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Senator Levin held a series of hearings on money laundering activities – The official name of Title III is the “International Money Laundering Abatement and Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001
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Federal Bureau of Investigation: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/victim_assistance/victim_rights – A crime victim means a person [ Retired OPM FEHB|Elderly – and – CMS MEDICAID|Poor – beneficiary ] who has been directly and proximately harmed ( HHS social worker enactment of a dispute resolution procedure: : http://www.michigan.gov/documents/HMO_Complaint_Informationa_158401_7.htm – criminal DENIAL of COVERED Claims|PATIENT DUMPING .. physically, emotionally, or financially ) as a result of the commission of a federal offense.
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TITLE 28–JUDICIAL ADMINISTRATION CHAPTER I–DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ~ Under current United States law, set forth in the [ 2001 ] USA PATRIOT Act, acts of Domestic Terrorism are those which: “(A) involve acts dangerous to human life – T18CFR242CRIME – using Hospital HHS social workers for enactment of a dispute resolution procedure – fully launched in Michigan in 1999, by State Attorney General(s) Jennifer Granholm and Wallace Hart HCF Division: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/HMO_Complaint_Informationa_158401_7.htm – criminal DENIAL of COVERED _ OPM FEHB, et al, HMO Hospital and Nursing Facility Service CLAIMS _ PATIENT DUMPING, $25,000 felony each adverse determination, which results in physical injury and death of the defrauded U.S. Citizen.
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James Sensenbrenner Jr. sits on the following committees
House Committee on the Judiciary
Chairman, Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations | Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 – Member, Subcommittee on Oversight ANTI TRUST Enforcement http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/div_stats/1638.htm – POLICY of the Department of Justice
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U.S. Attorney General ERIC HOLDER — Health Care Fraud Prevention and Enforcement Forum – Jan 28, 2010 http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/291708-2
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Financial Fraud — ANTI TRUST Enforcement Policy of the Department of Justice – Public Official Criminal and Financial Misconduct – T18CFR1001CRIME — HOUSE JUDICIARY – 24 FEB 2010 — 12:00 PM Noon — U.S. House H.R. 4626 just passed — Removal of the ( Deputy U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and HHS OIG June Gibbs Brown – illegal ) Anti Trust Exemption for the Health Insurance Industry – T18CFR371CRIME / 2007 – H.R. 3199 Sensenbrenner – 9-110.800 Violent Crimes in Aid of RACKETEERING Activity (18 U.S.C. § 1959)
— Dems: YES 238 – Reps: NO 181
4:00 PM HR 4626 regarding 1945 McCarron|Ferguson Act – Make Health Insurers subject to both State and Federal Regulations – — Passed – 406 YES – 19 NO *** T18CFR1001CRIME — NOT PASSED by the SENATE JUDICIARY and federal health insurance fraud|Patient Dumping continues …….
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Anti Trust Violation – HHS OIG EXCLUSIONS – Affordable Care Act (ACA); Public Law 111-148: Enacted March 23, 2010.£. The effective date for the new provision section 1128(b)(16) is the date of enactment, March 23, 2010.
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Financial Tyranny – ANTI TRUST Enforcement Policy of the Department of Justice — U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder — Office Of Dispute Resolution For Acquisition (ODR) — Nov 23, 2010 …for Acquisition (ODR) is the SOLE, Statutorily Designated TRIBUNAL for ALL [ Federal OPM FEHB et al – Dispute Resolution Procedure: Patient Dumping: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/HMO_Complaint_Informationa_158401_7.htm – Denial of Covered Claims – T18CFR242CRIME – Health insurance Policy ] Contract Disputes.
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FBI aiding and abetting – dispute resolution procedure, in Federal Hospital Insurance Fraud against the elderly and poor in Michigan T18CFR1518CRIME — New Multi-Agency Public Corruption Task … http://www.fbi.gov/…/2012/…public-corruption-task-force-formedCached – Oct 13, 2010 · FBI Special Agent in Charge Andrew G. Arena is joined by U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette, IRS-CID Special Agent in … [ RACKETEERING http://www.michigan.gov/documents/HMO_Complaint_Informationa_158401_7.htm – with Federal Health Insurance Contractors Civil and Crime Victims Rights DENIED T18CFR242CRIME ]
FREE PALESTINE!
Love this food fight. Useful idiot shills who love to defend mass murdering zionist war criminals in Isra-hell vs the sane and rational human beings who believe freedom, peace, and security are for everyone and not a chosen few. But one thing that the sane and rational fail to understand, the zionist war criminals and their useful idiot shills are willing to destroy and murder anyone who gets in their way of world domination. For Amerika, Isra-hell, and Saudi Arabia, one rule applies:
“THE LAW OF THE GUN IS THE LAW OF THE LAND BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE WE UNDERSTAND”………………………
PI asks: “When will people start to understand that Anti-Semitism should not be confused with Anti-Zionism?”
Good question. They are distinct concepts in theory, but unfortunately not always easy to distinguish in practice. Consider, for example, the comment (just above PI’s question) from “guest,” who is for some reason reminded of the relationship between “parasites” and “hosts.” Is this “anti-Zionism”?
Speaking of “Gators” nice comeback win over Tennessee. 4th and 14 had me worried until Will Grier passed to Antonio Calloway for 63 yards and the winning TOUCHDOWN that put the Volunteers away for good…………..GREAT GAME!!
Gator – are you calling this is anti-Semitism?
“In nature, successful parasites are more than just organisms that sap the host of nourishment. To succeed for long, the biological parasite needs to take over the host’s brain and trick it into believing that the free rider is part of the host’s own body, even its baby to be protected and nurtured.”
When I read that quote, the image that came to my mind was the spectacle of Netanyahu before an adoring, obsequious, sycophantic American congress, trying to lobby us into another disastrous Middle Eastern war, with Iran, just like he did a few years ago, with Iraq.
That was a slap in the face of the sitting President of the United States. It was so contemptuous. Netanyahu was showing POTUS that he is more popular, more powerful with congress, than the President of the United Sates is. He was rubbing Obama’s face in it. And he had, not just Republicans, but plenty of Democrats there to cheer him on as well. It was a surreal and horrible experience for me, watching that, but at least it illustrated a truth that by now I think is pretty hard to deny. I can’t remember which senator said this, but I remember the quote: “We are all in the Likud party.”
The few brave souls (senators and congressmen) that did put themselves in harm’s way to support diplomacy with Iran, were very careful with their language. I didn’t hear any really vociferous denunciations of Netanyahu’s outrageous behavior. I should have, but I didn’t. Because our senators and congresspeople are so afraid of retaliation from the Israel lobby, that they can’t even speak the truth. It is shameful.
Israel has too, too much influence and control over our government. It’s a tiny little country the size of NJ, half a world away, and it is the biggest beneficiary of US foreign aid in the world (over $120B). Not to mention all the support we give Israel at the UN, which makes us look like idiots to the rest of the world. And please tell me what is the quid pro quo here? Exactly what benefit do we Americans derive from our support of Israel? I’m fuzzy on that one. I can see how our special relationship with Israel hurts us in many ways (I won’t list them here), but I can’t think of a single way it helps us.
So, yes, the host/parasite analogy doesn’t sound very nice. But I wouldn’t call it inaccurate. And I really wouldn’t call it anti-Semitic. If that in fact is what you’re saying.
@Sebastian: Try this. Google “Jews” and “parasites.” Ponder what you find.
@Gator90: Try this. Google “Gaza” and “civilian deaths”.
Then narrow your search with “women + children”. Ponder what you find.
I’m well aware of the civilian deaths (including women and children) in Gaza. Have you a point?
My point was not as pointless as your Google suggestion.
You seem to think you are leading the reader to some conclusion by highlighting particular images as being representative of Israeli criticisms.
That is intellectual dishonesty.
Israel meets the definition of parasite wrt financial support. That means not all Jewish people are parasites but there are some parasites that are Jewish.
AIPAC is a parasite; you, Gator90, are not a parasite (unless you support AIPAC).
Did you see the post below concerning xenophobic tribalism? It describes Israel. Such behavior has consequences. BDS will only grow as Israel’s crimes continue.
I’ve no quarrel with BDS. Nor with criticism of Israel generally. But if you are a person of goodwill and references to Jewish parasites don’t creep you out, you’re not thinking hard enough.
You know what creeps me out is a guy who responds to someone’s comment by discussing them somewhere else in the comment section.
Gee, sorry about that.
I don’t want to be insensitive, and I am aware you are Jewish, but doesn’t it make you angry when Jews in important positions of power, like Netanyahu, keep conforming to anti-Semitic tropes? Showing the entire world in such a dramatic fashion who wears the pants in this relationship – Israel, not the “superpower America.” Aren’t power play stunts like that bound to only feed global anti-Semitism? Didn’t you cringe, even just a little?
Is there anything other than trouble that we Americans get out of our relationship with Israel? Anything at all that could be characterized as beneficial? Because it seems like a one-way street to me.
But I will take your suggestion, ponder it, and report back.
@Sebastian – as you appear to be familiar with the concept of “anti-Semitic tropes,” I’m surprised that the grotesquerie of calling Jews (even deservedly unpopular ones) “parasites” isn’t obvious to you. Let me know what that Google search turns up.
As far as I can tell, the US benefits from its relationship with Israel in two principal ways: (1) the relationship gives a non-trivial portion of the US population warm, fuzzy feelings; and (2) American defense contractors reap handsome profits from the armaments Israel is required to purchase as a condition of US assistance.
@Gator90 – Okay, I have thought about it, and I doubt my response will fit within your comfort zone, but here it is. I would never refer to Jewish people as “parasites,” as I think that would be a racist generalization. But I think it is a fair characterization to refer to the relationship between Israel and the United States as a parasitical one. Here is the dictionary definition of parasite:
I do not agree with you that “warm fuzzy feelings” and American defense contractors reaping handsome profits from arms sales to Israel qualifies as an actual benefit of our relationship with Israel, if you factor it into a cost/benefit analysis of the relationship.
“…at the host’s expense…” Israel costs us much more than it gives us. Israeli partisans lobby us into expensive, destructive wars in the Middle East to advance Israeli interests. In addition to the money that costs us (I should really say “debt,” not money), and the innocents we kill and now have on our collective consciences because of those wars, we gain enemies, like Al Qaeda. And when Al Qaeda flies planes into the WTC, we get The Patriot Act and NSA overreach and see our civil liberties eroded. We also get the never ending War on Terror. It is all connected. The conflict between the America and radical Islam is in large part a consequence of Israeli “undue influence” in our government.
“Undue influence.” That’s one of those anti-Semitic tropes, isn’t it? But wouldn’t you agree it’s a fair characterization of the impact and reach of the Israel Lobby within the American political system? Does the fact that it’s an anti-Semitic trope make it an unmentionable even if it’s true? If it can’t even be mentioned or pointed out, then how can it ever be addressed?
Back to parasites. An ugly word. I wouldn’t call Sheldon Adelson a parasite (because of the grotesque, dehumanizing connotations you’ve mentioned) but I would not hesitate to characterize his strategy as “parasitical.” Because it wouldn’t bother me if Sheldon Adelson gave any or all of his billions to Israel to do with as it feels fit, but it bothers me that instead he spends just meager millions to get my elected officials to represent Israeli interests over my American interests, and ensure that my tax dollars will continue to fund Israeli war crimes.
I know this response will anger you, but there’s nothing I can do about that. Almost any criticism of Israel can be construed as anti-Semitic, and is construed that way, on message boards all across the internet. The anti-Semitism smear has been so abused and overused that it’s almost become meaningless. I’ve been called a “Jew-hater” and and “anti-Semite” more times than I can count (mostly at Wapo) for merely bringing up the issue of Palestinian rights. And I’ll tell you the first couple times it stung and I flinched. But not anymore, because desensitization. Now, I just feel angry and hard.
BTW, I did a Google web and image search of “Jew” and “parasite.” Ugly stuff. But not what I’m saying. Don’t try to pin that shit on me.
@Sebastian
Consider the following 2 sentences:
(1) The relationship between Israel and the US benefits Israel to the detriment of the US.
(2) The relationship between Israel and the US is that of parasite and host.
Or these:
(1) Sheldon Adelson spends millions to persuade American public officials to place Israel’s interests above those of America.
(2) Sheldon Adelson employs a parasitical strategy.
In each case, the second sentence offers no meaning that is not included in the first. All it adds are what you agree are “grotesque, dehumanizing connotations.” So why go there, unless, of course, those connotations are the point?
Parasite is the most accurate term regardless of your feelings.
Sheldon Adelson makes sure that the parasite is not excised.
@Gator, my day got away from me but I will have a response tomorrow.
Gator90 – As I mentioned I did a Googled web& image search for Jew + Parasite, but did not ponder what I found there as I am passing familiar with it all. I did spend a significant chunk of my day yesterday however, pondering our exchange, and as a result my thoughts have evolved, or at least I think I can articulate them better.
I don’t have a problem with comparing a human to an animal or an insect in the abstract. But I do have a problem with such comparisons when they are made to dehumanize people so that they are easier to victimize or kill (eg – Nazis calling Jews “rats,” or Israeli politicians referring to Palestinians as snakes, beast, rabid dogs, etc.)
I guess I have a double standard when it comes to victims and victimizers. It was kind of ridiculous for me to say that its OK to characterize Sheldon Adelson’s strategies as parasitic, but not OK to refer to Adelson as a parasite. Because to call his policies parasitic is to call him a parasite right? I had to concede that to myself, and in thinking it through, I realized that the only reason I felt OK about applying a label to Adelson that was grotesque and dehumanizing, is because I find Adelson to be grotesque and inhuman (subhuman?). I balked at calling Adelson a parasite, not because he’s a human being and shouldn’t be demeaned as less than that, but because he’s Jewish. In fact, if I had referred to someone who was not Jewish as a parasite, I don’t suppose this exchange would be happening at all.
Shorter: Comparing people to animals/insects in order to victimize them is bad, but comparing people to animals/insects in order to highlight man’s inhumanity to man, is OK.
Sorry if this is inarticulate. Thinking about it sapped my energy for some reason and I barely had the will to write a response. But I said I would. What a time suck.
I am sure your comment made CraigSummers’ day. He probably just got off the phone with the FTD florist and a bouquet of blue and white flowers will shortly be delivered to your office. But there won’t be a card, because paper trail.
@Sebastian
Thank you for your response.
Calling a Jew a parasite is indeed different from calling a gentile a parasite. Because history.
Craig Summers and I agree on very few things, but I suppose the indecency of calling Jews parasites would be one of them.
Take care.
It is for most Americans a one-way street, but not for all; Noam Chomsky has explained it this way:
Oil Imperialism and the US-Israel Relationship
“There’s been a very consistent U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, at least since the Second World War, whose primary concern has been to ensure that the energy reserves of the Middle East remain firmly under American control…This has been quite explicit since World War II. In fact, during the war the government tried to expel Britain, and later France, from the region. There were forms of chicanery used to achieve that end, which was achieved, certainly, by the formation of ARAMCO [Arabian American Oil Company] in 1947…but it would be a mistake to say that the government is controlled by the oil companies. The government policy reflects the over-all interests of American capitalism. So, on occasion, the particular interests of the oil companies may seem rather parochial and short-sighted from the point of view of the larger interests of American capitalism.”
The Real Reasons the U.S. Enables Israeli Crimes and Atrocities
“The history is reasonably clear…before 1967, the [US and Israeli] relationships were not very different from relationships among other powers. There was sympathy and support for Israel, which has many, many sources, including the Christian Zionism, which is a very powerful force that precedes and is numerically far stronger than Jewish Zionism…
But the major change in relationships took place in 1967 [when] Israel destroyed the source of secular Arab nationalism — Nasser’s Egypt — which was considered a major threat and enemy by the West. It is worth remembering that there was a serious conflict at that time between the forces of radical Islamic fundamentalism, centered in Saudi Arabia — where all the oil is — and secular Arab nationalism, centered in Nasser’s Egypt; in fact, the two countries were at war. They were fighting a kind of a proxy war in Yemen at that time. The United States and Britain were supporting the radical Islamic fundamentalism; in fact, they’ve rather consistently done that – supporting Saudi Arabia. And Nasserite secular nationalism was considered a serious threat, because it was recognized that it might seek to take control of the immense resources of the region and use them for regional interest, rather than allow them to be centrally controlled and exploited by the United States and its allies. So that was a major issue.
Well, Israel effectively destroyed Nasserite secular nationalism and the whole Arab nationalist movement that was centered in it. That was considered a major contribution to U.S. geopolitical strategy and also to its Saudi Arabian ally. And, in fact, that’s when attitudes toward Israel changed sharply and the U.S. support for Israel — material, diplomatic, and other — also increased sharply…
American support for Israel is contingent upon its strength and ability to aid in maintaining American domination of the Middle East.”
Thanks for your comment.
“And Nasserite secular nationalism was considered a serious threat, because it was recognized that it might seek to take control of the immense resources of the region and use them for regional interest”
I don’t see how Egypt could have ever possibly been a threat to neighbors like SA. I mean I understand that Wahhabists would have been ideologically opposed to secular Arab nationalism. But how could Egypt hurt SA? Did it once have a more formidable military than they did? It certainly didn’t have oil wealth.
I see what the rest of it means.
The analogy of America/Israel as host/parasite is an accurate metaphor for the transfer of wealth between the 2 countries rather than the simile you desire.
If you read below, a commentor has nicely destroyed the word ‘antisemitism’.
Univeristy, Inc. & The Policing of Speech on American Campuses: Kevin Gosztola, Rania Khalek interview of Freddie DeBoer (Shadowproof and Mint Press News)
Podcast and transcript at link.
After several stunning setbacks at the hands of the opponents of oppression despite the millions of dollars spent on propaganda and the purchase of government representatives, the Zionist supporters of the neo-fascist Netanyhu regime that has committed numerous war crimes, violated international law and defied of a host of U.N. Security Council resolutions are getting desperate.
Their paranoid reaction, like the policies they support, will only further hinder, and not help Israel attain peace and prosperity.
Support BDS.
….I love the way the word…”anti-Semite”…is thrown around when discussing Israel. I was raised by racists…and worked for 24 years with the corrupt US Government all over the world. Whenever a negative discussion of Israel’s behavior as a country is brought up….all the flashing lights go off and the words…”anti-Semite”…get tossed around. If people only knew…that a…”Semite”…can be from any of a number of ancient cultures who spoke a… “Semitic Language”…(including ancient Babylonians, Assyrians and Hebrew peoples). So…in order for me to be an…”anti-Semite”…I’d have to have something against…or hate the ancient Babylonians, Assyrians, Hebrews, etc.? I don’t know any of those peoples…and have never interacted with any of them…so how could I be an anti-Semite? If you wanted to stretch the idea that I am an…”anti-Semite”… based upon my objection to the country of Israel’s political and military behavior…even that would be a big stretch! Israel is one of the foremost group of war criminals, murders and thieves to hide behind a government cloak, so they deserve every bit of negative publicity and war-crimes charges that can be mustered. But again, why would I hate them for the ancient language that their ancestors spoke, as opposed to their current illegal behavior? Since most of the original Hebrew tribes were either broken up and scattered across the mid-east in the centuries after the supposed death of Christ…there are very few true, genetically…(DNA-Based)…Hebrew people’s in the world….and certainly not in Israel currently. The occupants of current Israel are the genetic-off-spring of the generations of…Eastern European migrants who…”converted”…to the Jewish Religion in the 7th and 8th centuries. They are not even Hebrew…so I’m having a hard time understanding how someone could be an…”anti-Semite”…in this day and age? There are very few hereditary Hebrew people left, no ancient Assyrians or Babylonians that I know of…and whom I can hate. So if I am an…”anti-Semite”…how does that work again? Oh, yes, now I recall…if we object to the Israeli blowing up small, innocent children in Gaza…or Israel’s involvement in the murders of 911…or their illegal nuclear weapons…we must hate people who spoke a Semitic Language thousands of years ago….eh? It must not have anything to do with Israel’s corruption and international war crimes?
RJ O’Guillory
What is good for Israel should be good for America. NO “dual citizen” allowed in government. Israel: Three dual-citizen MKs ordered to annul their foreign passports
by Shahar Ilan – Haaretz – Feb18 2009
The Central Elections Committee has ordered three Knesset members with dual citizenship to annul their foreign passports by next Tuesday’s swearing-in ceremony, or at least begin steps to cancel them.
The three lawmakers are Yohanan Plesner of Kadima (who has Danish citizenship), Nitzan Horowitz of Meretz (a Polish citizen) and Yisrael Beiteinu’s Anastasia Michaeli, who holds a Russian passport. The Basic Law on the Knesset states that “a member of Knesset holding an additional citizenship that is not Israeli … will not take the oath of loyalty until he has done everything he can to relinquish it.” –
Nobody can have loyalty to TWO Nations at the same time. SO nobody with “dual citizenship” should be allowed to hold ANY post in OUR government.
I am appalled when I see the “STAR of DEATH” flown in public. Israel thinks GREATER ISRAEL should rule the World. “Greater Israel” is all land between the Nile and the Euphrates rivers, Syria, Jordan, most of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. You can find maps they have drawn online.Did you know what the two blue bands on their flag stand for? The Nile and the Euphrates. Yes, it’s true. “Thou shall not covet …..” Israel COVETS ALL.
The sight of the “STAR of DEATH” sends a frightening and offensive message to ALL NON-Jews.
What a wholly detrimental attack on our fundemental liberties by someone who should know better
Have Dianne reply to her old flatmate from Stanford if she can explain this. Diane Henny.
First, israheili intel is running a worldwide propaganda op with its agents running stories about “rising tide of anti semitism”. but
it is all a lie, just propaganda designed to get sympathy for the “poor jews, i.e. zionist thugs” who are committing mass murder in gaza. Just google: rising tide of anti semitism…………you can see the operation for yourself.
Second, see the link below for an example of the zio mafia trying to turn
legitimate criticism of israheil into a crime. under their definition saying
“that sure was horrible of israheil to mass kill all those kids last
summer” or “israheil killing all those kids in gaza reminded me of the
warsaw ghetto” would be hate speech and therefore a crime.
http://www.amchainitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/CNES-Report.pdf
see pages 16 to 18 for the conspiracy.
These are your fellow travelers, Glenn
We all are…it’s called the humanity…and some of us are looking to generate more of it.
The vomiting of the State of Israel on the people of Palestine was the single biggest US foreign policy disaster since Wilson’s getting into WWI
Our state and higher education is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and those whom are trusted (Regents) to ensure the future of the University of California are more interested in privatizing for their own advantage:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2015/09/uc-berkeley-development-pipeline-richmond-global.html
Time to re-examine the role of the Board of Regents!
Whatever happened to critical thinking? So we can criticize our own government and individual officials, Richard Blum doesn’t seem to have a problem with that, but we can’t criticize Israel or it’s actions, or the actions of it’s people? I think Blum needs to think about stepping down. Just as he enjoys freely discussing the dumb-as-a-doorknob discussions that he and his wife have, we should all be able to discuss and criticize the decisions that Israel is making, especially when the lives of our troops, not to mention the citizens of foreign nations are at stake.
Dianne Feinstein is hardly the only Israeli nazi sympathizer in the US Government, or even the only one in the US Democratic Party! The majority of elected officials in both parties are threats to the entire US Constitution because of their religious devotions to destroying the US through their wildly irresponsible military adventurism abroad. That military adventurism is cultivated endlessly precisely for the obsessive-compulsive neurotic profiteering addictions such as Richard Blum’s.
Well said Walter. To take it further the fact that The Israeli Government can manipulate your whole Congress is so undemocratic it’s a joke. To now have one person with a massive personal interest in Israel to be able to use his wife as a weapon to dictate freedom of speech in a University shows the depth of the cancer that is rife in your political system. In most countries these two individuals would be forced to step down as they are obviously not able to act in the University’s best interest.
reminds me of something Michael Hudson said recently,
“In nature, successful parasites are more than just organisms that sap the host of nourishment. To succeed for long, the biological parasite needs to take over the host’s brain and trick it into believing that the free rider is part of the host’s own body, even its baby to be protected and nurtured.”
http://store.counterpunch.org/michael-hudson-episode-19-2/
When will people start to understand that Anti-Semitism should not be confused with Anti-Zionism?
When people like you stop blaming Jews for everything.
Terrific piece though it’s unclear why you open by, essentially, accusing anti-PC-types as hypocrites–there are PLENTY such (like Fire and Ken White, whom you cite) who recognize right-wing suppression of speech on, e.g., Israel and left-wing campus sensitivity codes as entirely consonant.
It’s not the existence of Israel, it’s the location. Fix that, Bibi, and you will have yourself a Nobel Peace Prize worthy of the name.
I guess the Pope is anti-Semitic (whatever this means.) Next thing we know, to criticize the Wall Street Banksters will be anti-Semitic. If Israel wants to stop being compared to South African and German Fascist/Racists all they have to do is stop doing exactly the same things to the Palestinians that the Germans did to them and South African Whites did to Blacks. American citizens who are more concerned about foreign countries than their own should leave.
You yourself are the typical Anti Semite that needs to be barred for their hateful speech. Why aren’t you condemning ISIS for slaughtering in cold blood THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of Christians, Assad for barrel bombing his own population resulting in a quarter MILLION deaths, Iranian stoning of women and other innocents for free speech or being gay? No, that wouldn’t serve your anti Jewish and anti Israeli beliefs. Do us all a favor – move to Syria and live with your buddies. I wish you a long life (which hopefully will not occur).
@ Ani Tzioni
Whataboutery doesn’t really fly with most people around here. Neither does hasbara. And most of us could care less about who is/isn’t Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, Zoroastrian . . . what we care about is the acts of leaders and states, done in our name and with our taxpayer dollars.
And here’s a newsflash, 99% of the criticism of the policies and actions of the state of Israel, are about the morality of those actions not the religious beliefs or faith of those who are engaging in those acts so by definition it can’t be anti-Semitism. And your hasbarist slander of people as anit-semites because they choose to point out the immoral actions of the state of Israel isn’t going to change the fact that Israel is losing support globally. You should focus on why that is rather than calling everyone an anti-Semite who doesn’t agree with those actions and policies. Because here’s another newsflash, lots of us in the world don’t buy into the idea that somehow you are the “chosen people” or that your country should get a morality pass for its actions because horrific things were done to members of the Jewish faith in the past.
So do us all a favor–work to change the policies and actions of the State of Israel or be prepared to continue to be criticized and subject to practices such as BDS, because they aren’t going away and are only going to grow not matter how tight you try and squeeze human being’s right to be critical of those actions and policies.
“And here’s a newsflash, 99% of the criticism of the policies and actions of the state of Israel, are about the morality of those actions not the religious beliefs or faith of those who are engaging in those acts so by definition it can’t be anti-Semitism.”
This guy loves to brag about statistics, numbers…and yet he cannot provide any studies to justify his conclusions.
1) He stated military operations on the ground would result in fewer civilian casualties than using guided bombs, yet he has not provided ONE study to back up that statement
2) Now nobody knows where he found that 99%
You are definitely a result of “7 years of higher education” in the University of Dumb Ass.
So true, lenk. After all, no one figures 99% = “virtually all” in a sentence like that. Well, at least you don’t, cuz that’s how you roll — on the tendentious side.
A dumb ass reunion?
“Virtually all” still requires a scientific basis if you want it to hold as a valid point.
Now go back on your knees, Greenwald needs his shoes cleaned.
As the son of squatters from Kiryat Arba I grew up with the indoctrination that my brother Lenk displays on TI regularly. Unfortunately he is the majority as I’m sure most of you are well aware of. In my view, our society is so sick exactly because of the diplomatic cover and US tax payer money we’re given and have been for far too long. I like to think of this situation and how its analogous to how a loving parent in many cases will become an enabler to their adult child with a drug addiction. Obviously the US government is the enabler and Israel is the sick drug addict that needs help. People like lenk, which are the majority of Israelis, lash out and attack anyone’s criticism of his views because that’s what drug addicts do when they don’t get their fix.
I am an Israeli? Thank you. I take it as a compliment. Actually I attack Greenwald’s views and his lap dogs lash out at me. And I do not recall myself defending Israel, maybe you can provide me with my statements in which I approved Israel occupation of Palestinian Territories since you seem to be well informed about me.
My country send me to United States to make movie-film. Please, come and see my film. If it not success, I will be execute.
As you are condemning hate, why don’t you condemn the burning of Christian churches in Israel by Zionist terrorists or the burning alive of a Palestinian family and the fact that Israel has not arrested the perps? In fact, the Israeli perps always get off. Why don’t you condemn the hateful speech and actions of Israel? After all, hateful speech/actions against Palestinians are de rigueur by Zionists.
If the comment you’re replying to is evidence of anti-Semitism, you’re making Metamind’s point.
Israel claims it is a democratic country, ISIS does not.
ISIS is funded by the US and Israel you troll… but you already knew that, right! Enjoy life in Tel Aviv.
“Why aren’t you condemning ISIS…… Assad…., Iran….?”
Possibly because they’re NOT THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE.
If you want to serve YOUR masters, work to remove those videos on the WWW showing IDF members killing unarmed Palestinian children for the offense of BEING IN RANGE, women for refusing to raise their Burka, and men for fishing. You might caution your settlers that treating Palestinians like the KKK treated blacks, while receiving the same free ride American police have for killing people, just isn’t going to fly.
Israel was formed based upon the concept that, because there was an Israelite Kingdom there over 2,900 years ago, a bunch of people (including a large section with no genetic ties to the Tribes) are entitled to steal land from the current occupants using terrorism.
I guess the Zulu and Watusi have countries coming to them while we re-establish the Roman Empire……….
You obviously,being a Zionist,love lying,as you goddamn well know that the US ,Israel and the gulf states are behind IsUS,AlnUSrA,and Al CIAda,and the Israelis treat wounded rebels in Israeli medical facilities.
Serial liars and criminals,you will pay one day.
Whatever beliefs? we hold are re-enforced daily by Ziuonist actions,be it Israel itself,or their traitor toads in American politics.
The Senate Select Committee on Ethics does not respond to outside requests or statements; I would recommend y’all contact your Senator (http://data.washingtonexaminer.com/default.cfm) and give ’em an earful about Feinturd and Wallet-boy. Schmucks.
What I don’t get is how Blum can get away with what he is demanding: here he is, the wife of a career Senator who is vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence–with huge influence over military and intelligence issues–and her husband is getting billion dollar defense contracts!? How do they get away with such glaring conflict of interest? That Blum can get billions of dollars in US military contracts from the US government while his wife is a Senator? And not only that–he can then sit on the UC Board of Regents and threaten the board that if they don’t illegalise criticism of Israel he’s gonna have his wife cut off federal funding for UC university system? How can he openly make such illegal threats? Isn’t he breaking conflict of interest laws?
Feinstein and her billionaire husband Blum, who are both Jewish, are using their powerful positions in public office to advance the causes of Israel as best they can. This has been an ongoing problem in American politics: you see the same thing with NY Senator Chuck Schumer who is doing his best to torpedo the Iran deal. You cannot be in public office and be an agent for Israel, doing its bidding: you have to decide where your loyalties are: are you Israeli or are you American? If you want to fight for Israel, then it’s time to resign from American public office, be you a Senator or a Regent in California. Remember Joe Biden’s “I’m a Zionist” speech in Israel? You can go watch it on YouTube, it’s another example of this conflict of interest where politicians are slavishly pandering to AIPAC and the uber powerful Jewish lobby that has immense influence over Washington. Israel and the USA are not the same country. If one’s loyalties are with Israel over America, they should go and live there.
“How do they get away with such glaring conflict of interest? ”
Conflict of interest is no longer a “thing” for the likes of high level govt. insiders & profiteers.
They get away with it because they own the MSM,and the message.If we had an actual free press,these criminals would be in jail,awaiting deportation.
demonizing a country, calling for his destruction, comparing it to he worse evil of humanity…have nothing to do with valid criticism or activism, is open militancy.
I assume you’re referring to Iran or Russia.
Yeah, but we’re not talking about Israel’s plans for the Palestinians, we’re talking about criticizing Israel… let’s try to stay focused here. Thanks for reminding us, though.
“If you seek to find who has power over you, see who you are not allowed to criticize.”
(Possibly Voltaire)
As a UCB alum, I never thought I would have to defend the right of free speech against a Regent, But, then, the appointment is political payoff and has nothing to do with educational or academic credentials or expertise of the appointee. It is time to overhaul the system and demand respect for our right of free speech. These hacks are scared, just like the hasbara trolls posting on this thread.
It would seem to me that attempted blackmail is sufficient cause for finding a new Regent.
Blum and Feinstein are into consequences.
There should be some.
UC Regents are above California Law and in bed with the Feds…there will be no consequences. The Board of Regents run their own private sovereign nation within the borders of California. When Feinstein and Blum are done selling of the post offices, are they going to sell off the University of California to the highest bidder?
Hamas uses human shields to launch rockets at Israeli civilians. To oppose Israel’s response is a tacit condonation of terrorism.
Try to actually read the article next time before posting so you don’t look so clueless.
You know, with a name like Gretsinger, one would think that you’d be smart enough to avoid shrieking like a fascist, but, sadly…no.
C’mon,the name seems like an assertion he’s a great singer,typical self promotion from a Zionist.
That’s illogical. Even if Israel is right to respond, it doesn’t follow that it can do anything it wants, and that it should be free from criticism. I would be critical of any nation state that does something like this regardless of any excuses and justifications which, frankly, are pretty ridiculous.
In fact, Israeli soldiers have a bad habit of using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Between 2000 and 2005, it was documented they did it at least 1200 times:
More here:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html
Educate yourself.
Make no mistake, I’m an American and a Jew.
For those of you thoroughly infected with the Judiasm-destroying poison of Zionism, here is the antidote to your Kool-aid dreams. Drink deeply and wake up to reality.
We often hear the phrase “Israel’s right to exist” and along with it, “Israel’s right to self-defense.” Hear them endlessly, by propagandists who repeat them endlessly. But endless repetition does not make a thing true. The phantom “legitimacy” of endless repetition is just the stink that remains after well executed propaganda has raped the truth.
Yet the truth exists.
And here it is: a fact-based, truth-based, ethics-based summary:
In 1917, the British Imperial elite and the World Zionist Organization joined forces to take Palestine from the people — 95% Arab — who had lived there for 70 generations, and give it to the Jews/Zionists. Taking what doesn’t belong to you has a name: it’s called stealing.
This “plan” was a crime of conspiracy then, in its embryonic stage, as the theft and murder in it’s execution is a crime today. A crime is still a crime, despite 90 years of control of the media. A crime is still a crime despite 90 years of impunity from prosecution, or 90 years of protection through propaganda. Just as no amount of time can transform a lie into the truth, so too, no amount of time can convert a crime into a legal act.
The Zionist entity called Israel is nothing less than a geopolitical crime-in-progress. This is the truth that the Jews will never be able to “disappear”, and that the digital age and internet have finally set free.
So when next you hear about Israel’s supposed “right to exist”, consider: what crime has a “right to exist”?, what criminal enterprise has a “right to exist”? Add to that: what criminal has a “right to self-defense”? What criminal has the right to commit violence in the furtherance of a crime? What criminal has the right to fight back against the lawful authority that arrives to halt the crime and arrest the criminals?
Israel, the Zionists, their enablers, and their supporters — you among them, Gretzinger — are criminals: thieves and murderers on a global scale. In their criminality they have no “right to exist”, and in their criminality they have no “right to self-defense”.
Yet, they do have rights. And I support those rights. They have the right to surrender to a competent authority. They have the right to a fair trial. If found guilty, they have the right to a proportionate penalty. And finally, once the offenders have “done their time”, they have the right to rejoin society and resume a peaceful cooperative existence.
A time is approaching when the Zionist criminals will not be allowed to continue their crimes. A billion — with a “b” — and a half Muslims outraged at the Zionist-directed war, against Palestinians in particular and all of Islam generally, and a world ever more unsympathetic with disproportionate Israeli brutality will not allow it. The Israeli post-holocaust get-out-of-jail-free card, dog-eared and threadbare from overuse, has expired.
As an American and a Jew I see the danger for Jews the world over. Jews support their fellow Jews. This ancient and enduring tribal loyalty now leads the Jews into danger. They fail to see the likely consequences that arise from being seen as accomplices in Israeli crimes. A new holocaust is being built, the Jews are building it themselves, and the Zionist criminal project Israel is the foundation stone of that looming catastrophe.
When the three hundred million non-Jewish Americans figure out that their country, its Congress, it’s executive, has been taken over by “the Jews” (the Zionists actually, but no one will bother with that distinction), as in ancient Egypt, and ancient Israel in the time of the Romans, and Spain and Portugal of early Roman Catholicism, or most recently during the era of the Nazis, resentment will rise, and time will have run out.
Now is the time for Jews, American Jews in particular to rise above tribal exceptionalism and criminal apologism and ***fix the problem*** before the problem “fixes” the Jews,…yet again.
Good luck.
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Here are the crucial sources for the truth underlying the situation the world finds itself in today vis a vis Israel.
The last three are long, scholarly, and frankly, a bit dry. However, the first, for obvious reasons, is quite entertaining.
“Concerning the Jews” by Mark Twain
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1898twain-jews.html
The Hidden History of Zionism
http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/hidden/
Behind the Balfour Declaration
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html
Benjamin Freedman
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
So denying the Nazi genocide of European Jews is not anti-Semitic hate speech? Does Israel have the right to exist? Arabs get the right of return even though the property, land, businesses… etc of the Jewish people were confiscated and were kicked out of every Arab country and these Jewish people get nothing? Palestine get cut into two countries (Israel and The Emirate of Transjordan in April of 1921 and once the Arabs got their 80% share they reneged on the remain 20%. (a recurring theme by the way). No one mentions that Jordan is in fact Palestine. Borders are dictated by the victors. so stop using Israel as your excuse to be violent animals and grow up and tell us the truth. You want to control the earth. You want the entire plant to become a caliphate.
At the end of your rambling tirade you claim that “you want to control the earth”. Who wants to control the earth? Glenn Greenwald? Or is this your reply to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement on American college campuses? That these students want to “control the earth”? What a terrible post, you only make yourself look like an unhinged windbag.
Zionist mythology — which is to say, hogwash — from the get go, …so let’s take it by the numbers:
“So denying the Nazi genocide of European Jews is not anti-Semitic hate speech?”
Who gives a hoot if it’s “hate speech” or not? Who gives a hoot about the Holocaust? Ancient history, brought on by the Jews themselves anyway, get over it. Subversive Jewish influence may have made it possible to characterize some speech as “hate” speech, but so what? It’s still speech. If someone — the Jews in this case — do something to inspire hatred, then it’s still reasonable, and natural, and a person’s right, to express that hatred, get over that as well. You don’t like that sort of talk? Too damn bad? Don’t do the crime!
“Does Israel have the right to exist?”
The Zionist atrocity that you call Israel is a geopolitical crime-in-progress. No crime has a right to exist and no criminals have a right to defend themselves when the forces of justice come to terminate the criminality.
“Arabs get the right of return even though the property, land, businesses… etc of the Jewish people were confiscated and were kicked out of every Arab country and these Jewish people get nothing?”
“Kicked out” is it? The Mossad bombed synagogues in Iraq to get the Iraqi Jews running to Israel, just as the Palmach massacred Palestinians in 1948 to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Zionist crimes are unrelenting. Return Palestine to the Palestinians and then we’ll talk about compensating Jews from other regions that may have run away from their property rights. Meanwhile, try sticking to the subject, which is Zionist criminality.
“Palestine get cut into two countries…”
No. Palestine was always the area to the west of the Jordan River. The Mandate for Palestine may have included what we now call Jordan, but the delineation of the boundaries of the so-titled Mandate for Palestine could not change Jordan into Palestine, or Palestine into Jordan. And of course it must be pointed out, that what you’re really up to here is finding a justification for ethnically cleansing all the Palestinians from your criminal Israel, and expelling them into Jordan. More likely, criminal Israel will get what it deserves instead: expulsion from the pages of history.
“…(Israel and The Emirate of Transjordan in April of 1921…”
*****Palestine***** and the Emirate of Transjordan… You can’t even stand to say the word.
“…and once the Arabs got their 80% share they reneged on the remain 20%.”
The Palestinians of Palestine were entitled to 100% share of Palestine and the Arabs of Jordan were entitled to a 100% share of Jordan. Get over it. Not acquiescing to a crime is not the same as “reneging”. There was no “deal” to be “reneged upon” there was only a crime to be opposed.
“(a recurring theme by the way).”
The only recurring theme is the unrelenting criminality and the delusional, mythological, narrative seeking to justify the criminal Zionism.
“No one mentions that Jordan is in fact Palestine.”
Because it isn’t. Palestine is Palestine despite its criminal conquest by Zionists.
“Borders are dictated by the victors.”
Oh, so you want to play the “Might Makes Right” game? (Might does NOT make right.) This sort of attempt at justifying criminality will not work. And it’s dangerous besides. Best get over it in a hurry. Playing by those rules, when the Muslims finally defeat Israel (there’s a billion-and-a-half of them from Morocco to Mindanao, many have vast oil wealth, their citizens uniformly, in the high 90 percent, despise Israel, and Pakistan — only the first — has the bomb) , and in bloody-minded adherence to your “might makes right” rule, deploy that rule and take their revenge on the Jews,… at that point it will be too late to reconsider the “wisdom” of might makes right.
“…so stop using Israel as your excuse to be violent animals…”
Clearly, it’s the Zionist — Jews mostly — who are the violent animals. If the shoe fits….
“…and grow up and tell us the truth.”
You’ve been told the truth, over and over again, but you can’t handle the truth because you don’t like what you hear.
“You want to control the earth. You want the entire plant to become a caliphate.”
Oh my! the Caliphate boogieman! Oh!, I’m so afraid.
Then there is this business about “controlling” the earth. The Zionists, through the Neocons and AIPAC control the United States government by controlling the executive and the Congress. Similar levels of influence exist in Great Britain, Canada, France, and of course Germany. Jewish influence around the world is substantial because the Jews are economically powerful. With the establishment of Israel the question of disloyalty arose, and sadly world Jewry has fallen into the trap of siding with Israel even when that meant betraying — often unwittingly — their home country. The Jews are building themselves the next reaction, possibly even the next Holocaust. When the Jews are smart, they’re very, very smart, but when they’re stupid they’re catastrophically stupid.
You need to get your head straight. Justice for the Palestinians is the solution to this problem.
Feinslime is a Fascist. Her support of NSA spying on we who pay her salary shows the contempt that she has for the American people. Her stance on her owners, Israel and the Israel lobby, just demonstrates that the Democratic Party is as totally corrupt as the Republican Party. Even the “good ones” Senators Warren and Sanders are on the Israel feed bag. I just can’t vote for any of these people and I don’t care what happens. While the Repubs are destroying their own party, the Dems are helping to destroy democracy. They don’t deserve the support of conscientious, humane thinking people.
I am an American academic based at a university in China. Not only can I engage with students in critical assessments of Zionism, Israel and Israeli’s treatment of Palestinians without any threat of retaliation from the university or the government, but I can even critically examine the United States and the myriad coups they have historically executed within my classroom. That I can honestly state that I have more freedom to discuss international politics and political accountability in a university classroom in China, than in a classroom in the U.S., signals that it is time to reassess the reality of the U.S. claim to bear the beacon of “freedom” and “liberty” for the rest of the world. I am glad to not be teaching in the United States in these Orwellian times.
So, you’re free to discuss Tiananmen Square?
I have discussed ALL three of the purportedly “forbidden Ts”; Tibet, Taiwan, and Tiananmen and I am still here. But what’s your point? That China does not have issues with human rights? Of course, they do; human rights lawyers are being jailed daily. But China, along with many other countries are not pretending or hiding these activities. The U.S. is as covert about what is and is not “free speech” -which is not then free speech when it is selective- as it is about spying on everyone, harassing activists, and supporting dictators. So, you tell me… which is better?
@Paul –
“So, you tell me… which is better?”
Well, that would be neither.
I prefer not to grade different shades of evil, to declare one greater and one lesser. They are both evil.
And as you’ve acknowledged, whatever your personal experience, China’s government jails people for public, effective expressions of political ideas that are at odds with official ideology. I call that, too, Orwellian.
You’re sidestepping the issue, Pete. The point is, people do not feel free to voice unpopular opinions in the Land o’ the Free. That people are not able to do so in China is, indeed, a problem for me. But frankly, a much bigger problem for me is that people can’t do so HEEEERE.
Thank you, Wakeup. Yes, Pete, my point is not that one is “better”, but that with all the chest thumping about freedoms in the U.S. and the lack thereof in China, MY experience has been the opposite. It is anecdotal, but I think valid anecdote. For in conferring with other American colleagues here, my experience is not seem singular.
Welcome to the fact that in any other country’s campuses but the US can you speak about Israel. #LandoftheFreeandHomeoftheBrave
“So, you tell me… which is better?”
1) Would you publish your discussions about Chinese human rights violations? I think you are full of BS. Some people here have been to China multiple times and the idea that you can discuss the Chinese government human rights abuses freely in completely nonsense.
2) The US media is loaded with criticism of the US government, lawyers, journalists, people on the streets… bash US politicians on a daily basis. Sine you are an “academic”, then you tell us which government (the US or China) is better when it comes to tolerating dissents.
You could’ve researched that for 5 seconds and found this. The reality is that dissent exists virtually everywhere. Existence of dissent doesn’t make a country free. Indeed, there’s very little real dissent in the mainstream media in the US, which is one of the exceptional things about the US. If you check op-eds in, say, top private Venezuelan newspapers, you’d find that most of them are rabid anti-government rants.
What is the response of the Venezuelan government to private media?
Actually, America is full of dissents. Your problem is that you characterized everybody who disagrees with you or TI as being propagandized. In TI logic, no US citizens should agree with the US government policies. No US citizens are smart enough to judge by themselves whether a policy is reasonable or not. That is actually propaganda in itself. If you pay attention to Greenwald’s writing you would notice he calls BBC a propaganda machine whenever they ask him tough questions, but the BBC changes into a great example of journalism when they ask politicians he disagrees with tough questions.
The fact is that in top US outlets you are practically never able to read opinions like those of Chomsky, Greenwald, Hedges, Wolff. If someone did write like that in elite media, they would be promptly fired. Journalists get routinely canned for much less.
1) Private media corporations have absolutely no obligations to invite Chomsky or Greenwald to give their opinions. And TI has absolutely no obligations to invite Dick Cheney to write his opinion here. How hard has it been for you to access Chomsky or Greenwald views in America?
2) You need to explain why CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC have invited Greenwald multiple times over the years to give his opinions freely while none of those media outlets were required to do so. Chomsky has his opinion on CNN available for free for the whole world to read.
3) I am not sure whether you are really on another planet or you just an ignorant. It is not the private media outlets’ to guarantee your freedom your expression. This is the government job.
Obviously, in countries where dissent is dominant in mainstream corporate outlets with power, there’s much animosity between the government and the press. The US doesn’t have this issue, because the corporate press in the US is very docile and well-controlled. The elite that governs and the elite with corporate power are very close. You’d never see CNN, for example, calling for government overthrow or supporting anti-government rebels.
That said, if you look at which countries in Latin America are the most dangerous for journalists, they would be Mexico and Colombia — by many measures, the biggest US allies in the region, which I don’t believe is a coincidence.
According to RSF Chile is one of the safest place for journalists in Latin America. Yes, Chile, a US ally with US military personnel on its soil. Is that a coincidence?
According to RSF, Russia, North Korea are very dangerous places for journalists. Two countries that are clearly not US allies.
So what is your point besides that you are an ignorant? That American journalists are not free because CNN, a private corporation, is not calling for the overthrow of the government?
Chile is not exactly a US client state. There are ways to tell, such as military aid. The president of Chile is Michelle Bachelet, of the Socialist Party. I don’t think she’s a radical anti-imperialist or anything like that, but I get the sense the government of Chile is not subservient to Washington. Other than that, Chile is highly developed and that helps.
US aid is known to correlate with things like torture. In terms of danger to journalists, the #1 most dangerous country is Iraq; a warzone, granted, but more dangerous than Syria. Iraq happens to be headed by someone selected by the US before any election was held. Among US clients with horrendous press freedom standing we find Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
So which one do you want? an “ally” or “a client state”? Anyway you really need to research the term “deductive fallacy”. And it seriously seems you have no idea how ignorant your arguments are:
1) The most dangerous places for journalists are Mexico and Colombia
2) Mexico and Colombia are US allies
Your conclusion: So US aid is correlated to the danger of journalists in Mexico and Colombia
If the above stupid argument is valid therefore the following stupid argument must be valid as well
1) Russia and North Korea are dangerous places for journalists
2) Russia and North Korea are not US allies
Conclusion: So the US absence of aid is correlated to the danger faced by journalists in Russia and North Korea.
Now your argument is completely confused:
1) One of the safest place for journalists is Chile according to RSF
2) Chile receives military equipment and training on site from the US
Your conclusion: Chile is not a “client state”. So, now you completely void the idea of “ally” and switched it to a “client state”, which you have not even defined.
If your logic about “client state” is valid then, this following fallacy should be correct as well.
1) Turkey, a NATO member has US bases on its soil. Bases used for military operations in the Middle East. Turkey has an elected government and its own defense industry. Turkey has a poor press freedom index.
Your conclusion: Turkey poor press freedom index is correlated with US relations.
2) Germany, a NATO member has US bases on its soil. Bases used for military operations in the Middle East. Germany has an elected government and its own defense industry. Germany has a good press freedom index:
Conclusion: Germany good press freedom index is correlated with US relations.
“Iraq happens to be headed by someone selected by the US before any election was held.”
Ignorant statement from an individual who obviously has no clue on how Iraqi politics work. Your sole goal is to blame the US for everything. You will even go as far as discrediting the people choices in other countries when they picked leaders who shared some common views with the US government.
O.K. you claim I am “full of B.S.”, because my experience does not match what you garner from CNN??? In my classes, I teach my students to think critically, regardless if it is about China, the U.S. …wherever. But firstly, China IS a totalitarian system and does not claim or pretend to be “democratic”. The U.S. however claims to be the dictionary definition of democracy. Is it? Is the United States “run” by the people??? I believe you would (generously) call the U.S. (at the least to be) an oligarchy of elite (and I am being overly generous here). Many dissenters/activists/journalists, particularly those challenging U.S. corporations are being harassed and some ARE being tried and jailed. If you are not aware of the treatment of political and corporate dissenters in the U.S., then you might want to confer with some non-corporate media for a start. I mean do you even READ The Intercept???
This is a strong example of what you are talking about, Paul.
THE WATCHDOGS: Spy cops: Chicago police routinely spied on protesters
Thank You very much, Kitt. I don’t have the time to post the many articles and papers that support what many who actually read The Intercept (as opposed to just trolling it) already know.
Paul, I live in Thailand and 99% of westerners I meet here and when I return to the west have no clue about how places like China and Thailand differ from the mainly English-speaking cultures. They try to define it in their western terms, which are, as you say, highly tainted by media bias. The BBC are truly awful and no one watches any western news here. They couldn’t give less of a shit and think Obama is failing in all his promises. Thailand is presented as highly corrupt without any freedom of press with a suppressive Lese Majeste laws enforced by a domineering monarchy backed by its military. It just isn’t true at all. The corruption is more apparent but no worse than the west and it is partly accepted in certain sectors as just part of the money process – it goes somewhere after all and most government salaries are rubbish. Build a road, get it done, skim a bit for yourself as thanks. Get greedy, get busted. Thais don’t have a free press because they don’t value it, they get up and state their case when they feel it is right. The King is one of the humblest men and repeatedly states the Lese Majeste laws are not his laws, but were historically used by others to piggy-back on the power of the monarchy, who has no constitutional power anyway, but is profoundly respected by most Thais. The military was asked by the people to come and dissolve the last corrupt government, but images on shows like I’m a Brit Twat Called John Oliver or whatever portrayed the tanks as rolling in against the people in some sort of tyranical war machine. It was rather telling that the ousted regime ran to their Intelligence Agency allies (who bottled it) before having the door smack them on the arse on the way out. The King and the Army and the Judiciary and the opposition parties gave them lots of time to do the right thing, but they didn’t and now they are hiding in Montenegro, with some sheep, calling on Obama to reinstate them. And there has been much rejoicing and patience in the rebuilding process by ALL sides, when before the coup there was a feeling like there could be civil war and a divide of the country. Western people get caught up in pointless little side issues and their own prejudices and most have no real interest in Thailand’s development. They say the Burmese are treated bad, but the Burmese get paid a fortune compared to back home, have phones and motorbikes and 24hour electricity, most we know love it here and love the King too. They work here a while, save up, go home and start their own businesses, like Americans used to that I knew in the 90s. If America try to stamp on Thailand, or if our government sucks up and sell us out, they will march again. And again. And again. Its the Thai way and they cannot understand why Americans are in such a mess when they have so much. Thailand has 0.9% unemployment, the needy do for themselves, and help each other. You don’t need to be a Communist to be nice and Americans have NEVER been nice to each other, despite the YOO-ESS-AYing! at sports events. Kindness does cost, but it has better long term returns than Selfishness.
Dear Zeus, I grew up during the cold war, when the word “propaganda” was equated solely with totalitarianism. But aside from a few alternative media venues, such as “Democracy Now” and Intercept, I cannot tell the difference between the state sanitized propaganda in Chinese media outlets and those in The States. This was particularly evidenced with the “embedded journalists” in the invasion of Iraq (it was not a war, it was an invasion,- Iraq was not “at war” with US- and few media sources are truthful enough to even label it what it was), who blindly supported the mantra of “weapons of mass destruction” whilst ignoring UN evidence to the contrary; available to anyone who bothered to look it up.
But it is common practice for The US and NATO countries to point their fingers and deny self-culpability, as many trollers on here are also doing. A good example is China and India’s Foreign aid policies. The Foreign Policy of both countries were affected by a 1950s conference in Bandung, Indonesia concerning how best to support the newly forming post-colonial states of Africa. Unlike the OECD-DAC aid diplomacy paradigm, both China and India vowed to respect state sovereignty in all aid provided and to attach no strings, particularly political strings to their aid. Can the same be said of the critical West? Economist Dambisa Moyo also praises this approach in her book Dead Aid, which is highly critical of normative American and European aid. And yet, China, in particular, is vehemently attacked in the U.S. press for precisely such an approach in foreign policy, which is antithetical to the U.S. and British Empire Building approach to diplomacy. But when one is merely just mouthing the propaganda, without first hand knowledge (such as living in the damn country you are so certain is worthy of critique) then myths are bound to be perpetuated. Interesting, that the piece we are debating is about the future of critical thinking, whilst few of the trollers here are even able to contemplate what that might mean.
“I cannot tell the difference between the state sanitized propaganda in Chinese media outlets and those in The States.”
Spot on, Paul. I lived in a small African village in the mid-eighties and one of my favorite forms of entertainment was to fire up my clunky old battery-powered shortwave radio once a week for “news”. I would switch between Voice of America and Radio Moscow. It was hilarious–same propaganda, different accent.
“O.K. you claim I am “full of B.S.”, because my experience does not match what you garner from CNN???”
Is that a question or a suggestion? Because I seriously doubt an “academic” would automatically generalize that way. NO! I was in Shanghai when Document No 9 was issued by the authorities. Since you are an “academic” in China, then I do not need to elaborate on what it is, do I?
“China IS a totalitarian system and does not claim or pretend to be “democratic”
I hope my translations of Chinese’s leaders speeches are wrong because if they are correct, then your students are in trouble having a teacher giving them false information. The president of China himself praised the Chinese “democratic consultancy” system in his country. Chinese leaders have consistently claimed that human rights are well protected in their “democratic” system. Are you really in China?
“The U.S. however claims to be the dictionary definition of democracy.”
Who exactly made that claim?
“Many dissenters/activists/journalists, particularly those challenging U.S. corporations are being harassed and some ARE being tried and jailed. ”
Give more details please.
“I mean do you even READ The Intercept???”
Yes, I do and it is full of BS. However, name ONE Intercept journalist who is in jail for bashing the US government or US corporations. That is the difference between USA and China and you failed to recognize it because you have been propagandized by TI. “Academic” you’re right!
Why do you think the (American) author of this article lives in Brazil and not back “home” in the U.S.? For the Sunshine??? If you were my student you would fail for the lack of rigour in your inability to debate! Get a life “lenk” and spare your holier-than-thou trolling for right-wing jingoistic sites. Your opinion is unsupported, and thereby of little value.
“Why do you think the (American) author of this article lives in Brazil and not back “home” in the U.S.? For the Sunshine?”
As an “academic” with “rigour” in your ability to debate maybe you can share with us why? Is it because he will be arrested by the US authorities? By any means enlighten your students on the lack of freedom of Greenwald to express himself in the USA. Maybe you can also tell us what would be the Chinese reaction towards a Chinese journalist who decides to publish top secret Chinese governments.
If you were my teacher, I would bring my five years old boy to class to make you look stupid with better arguments than your ridiculous copy and paste views from TI.
Bugger off troll moron.
Hence the highly “rigorous” argument presented by the “academic” from Oxford!
Lenk, lay off the ziocaine. Your insults are tiresome and your arguments or lack there of don’t seem to have many TI readers agreeing with you. Not that opposing views are a problem but the way you’re going about yours are just childish.
Feel free to ignore them.
if i were you i would not bother answering to Lenk.He should first go back to school and finish his elementary(grade four) education.
No. Grade three education is enough to prove that this “academic” is full of BS.
Now, now, lenk, grade 4 has plenty to offer. And you can still use pencil …
I can not reconcile your claim that you are an academic on the University level in China and yet argue that you have more freedom of expression than your American counterpart. Have you read the article by professor Xiaojun Yan entitled ‘Engineering Stability: Authoritarian Political Control over University Students in Post-Deng China”? Or, Elizabeth Perry’s paper entitled ‘Education and Authoritarian Resilience: The Case of China, Past and Present”?
I am stating MY experience in China. That you cannot reconcile my experience. is not really my problem. I am making the point that things I cannot discuss in the classroom without fear of retribution in the U.S., I CAN discuss in the classroom in China. This does not negate issues with free speech in China, but rather acknowledges severe issues in the U.S. Period.
These forums are full of stooges making false claims in service to what they believe to be the greater good. Educational experiences vary widely in America. One can find accredited universities in the U.S. that have an extreme right-wing, christian bias at one end of the spectrum, and others with an extreme left-wing, anti-institutional bias at the opposite end of the spectrum. Each U.S. university is afforded the freedom to offer a curriculum that it believes can best compete in the ever-evolving marketplace of ideas. The same cannot be said for China.
As you can see in this article, a highly regarded, portrayed as leftist-leaning university (UC-Berkeley) is threatening the freedom of speech of its own paying students. I don’t know when was the last time you have visited the academic scene in China, though you seem to consider yourself an expert on this topic and I am, as you claim “a stooge”, but there ARE differences in Chinese Universities. Peking University in Beijing is much more towing the party line and possibly carefully watched than say Fudan University in Shanghai. Peking University students were also at the Forefront of the Tianamen Massacres. But more importantly, there are now several American and British universities in China, including Duke, NYU, Liverpool and Nottingham. I have contact with professors from these other universities and freedom of speech, or of thought, is not being raised as an issue. And increasing critical thinking in curriculum is very much on the agenda of higher education in China. When speaking of curriculum, the modules I have designed, and actually the undergraduate curriculum I designed, have critically examined all political economic ideologies, not merely those of neoliberalism or totalitarianism. Knowing what Norman Finklestein suffered, and several other critical academics, such as David Graeber (now at the LSE after being ousted from Yale), an academic would be foolish in the US to think that they really could talk about anything that was antithetical to the American university discourse labelled “political correctness”, which effectively thwarts any authentic and valuable exploration of taboo subjects, such as Zionism, Israeli acccountabilty and the plight of Palestinians. Such limitations result in a sanitised classroom that develops a sanitised intellect in which major issues of debate become non-issues. And, NO, I do not experience this problem in China, possibly because I am an American citizen, but my students have the capacity to debate what would not usually make it into a US classroom, by virtue of the hegemony of a “politically correct” curriculum. But you. of course, know better, don’t you???
Sincerely,
“The Stooge”
“…but my students have the capacity to debate what would not usually make it into a US classroom, by virtue of the hegemony of a “politically correct” curriculum.”
Do you care to cite a few concrete examples of this claim? More specifically, please provide a list of those topics that you claim would not “usually make it into a U.S. {University} classroom by virtue of the hegemony of a ‘politically correct’ curriculum.” And, concrete examples in support of these examples.
Secondly, are you familiar with the 2014 claim that the Chinese government has warned university level educators about “seven taboo subjects” that must not be taught in classrooms?
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/china-and-tibet
@Paul
Sorry, that last post got away from me. Here is the correct link:
SILENCED CITIZENS: ‘Seven taboos’ symbolize tighter censorship on schools
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/china/AJ201406020040
You know, Lenk…I mean “Karl”. You are absolutely right. I just must be delusional. In fact, I am probably in a Chinese prison right now for mentioning the unmentionable seven taboos, but don’t realise it because I have been tortured for the past year and have completely lost my bearings. Well, I think you should just continue to comfort yourself about all the freedoms you hold in the good ol’ US of A, as they slowly and (almost) imperceptibly leave you one by one….
‘Karl’ is in clown school and ‘lenk’ is the Principal.
I appreciate your comments.
Nice dodge Paul. Now, are you ready to cite a few examples of your claim that your students “have the capacity to debate what would not usually make it into a US classroom, by virtue of the hegemony of a “politically correct” curriculum.”
Specifically, what subjects are we talking about?
That is what I took away from your comment.
Thanks for comprehending. Some lug heads on here can neither read nor comprehend.
However, you are unable to elaborate clearly on what you cannot discuss in the US. The top Israeli/US critics are everywhere in America. Did Prof. Chomsky get arrested? Challenging the “severe issues” in the US do not get you in jail as opposed to China. You are either lying about being in China or you have very poor academic credentials
Oy, Lenk, do you always make an argument by trying to discredit the voice of your opponent. This is a quite lame and child-like way of debating. Look up Norman Finklestein for one, he among many others have been blacklisted from American Universities for their criticism of Israel. While I was working on my doctorate at Oxford University, (and actually yes, “lenk” I did go to and graduate from Oxford) my supervisor and I put in a research bid concerning statelessness in Lebanon to a fund sponsored by the U.S. State Department. The State Department sent back a response stating that they would not even consider the bid because Palestinians were mentioned as a stateless group in Lebanon and they do not support research on Palestinians. I could give more examples, but I feel I am wasting my time, as you are either a troll or in cognitive dissonance over what your taxes actually support.
You discredit yourself and your argument by enumerating multiple Western Universities that carefully placed a freedom of speech condition to the Chinese authorities in order to be in China while local universities are under strict direct control of Chinese authorities that prevent lecturers, students and others to discuss whatever they wish under penalty of being jailed. Whether you went to Oxford or the Dumb Ass University of England is completely irrelevant to the veracity of your argument. You failed to mention that the State Department that rejected the project is run by an elected government that you can choose to dislodge by voting to somebody else who support your cause. That is impossible in China!
You also failed to elaborate on the details of Norman Finklestein’s case disregarding context and suggesting that this particular case is an automatic proof that Chinese students might have more freedom to debate than their American counterparts. It is quite hard to believe that you are an academic when your defense against decisions you disagree with is to place the US neck and neck with China when it comes to freedom of speech.
You are apparently the one in cognitive dissonance as you automatically assume that those who disagree with you, the taxpayers, the voters who actually support the US policy in the Middle East are necessarily propagandized. They are not. You are just incapable of convincing them to support your cause.
It seems like your the one with the cause, I actually don’t have one. But you absolutely suck at debate and are boring…Kindly go where people might appreciate your trolling…like Fox news
“It seems like your the one with the cause, I actually don’t have one. But you absolutely suck at debate and are boring…Kindly go where people might appreciate your trolling…like Fox news”
A doctor from Oxford, indeed!
“Challenging the ‘severe issues’ in the US do not get you in jail …”
How grateful we should be to suffer perpetual intimidation and threats against our life, family and career in lieu of a prison sentence.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155652482X?*Version*=1&*entries*=0
Threats to academics who speak against unpopular goes beyond criticism of Israel. Policies explicitly aimed at controlling the behaviors & speech of academics are being enforced by powerful donors & and by government officials unhappy with criticism. At UNC, state politicians ended projects by cutting funds from professors who criticized their policies:
“many faculty members describe as the real target, was the Center on Poverty, Work, and Opportunity, run by Gene Nichol, a law professor and a vituperative critic of the Republican legislature. In one of a series of opinion pieces criticizing spending cuts, published in Raleigh’s News & Observer, he had referred to the legislature’s “unforgivable war on poor people.” Nichol has no doubt that the closing of the center was intended as punishment. On several occasions, “my dean was compelled to call me into his office and relate threats received from Republican leaders of the General Assembly if I didn’t stop writing articles for the News & Observer,” he wrote in an e-mail. ‘The center would be closed, or I’d be fired.’ ”
BB&T Bank funded programs to “retake the universities” from “statist/collectivist ideas.” He also noted that training students in the morality of capitalism is “clearly in our shareholders’ long-term best interest.”
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-politics-at-the-university-of-north-carolina
In FL. ideologues on the board of regents eliminated tenure protections under the guise of purging “unproductive” faculty.
http://www.bradenton.com/2015/09/23/6005630_scf-board-eliminates-tenure-at.html?rh=1
The Koch Brothers alone have donated over $68 million to undermine science investigating climate change & counter subsidies for studying solutions. They are funding universities in an effort to achieve their political agenda & economic agendas.
http://polluterwatch.org/charles-koch-university-funding-database#professors
The quote from Abe Foxman sent my head spinning.
Is that the same Abe Foxman who headed the ADL that spied for decades on journalists, civil rights groups, and others they deemed to be enemies of Israel? (By some accounts they kept records on 10,000 people.) http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/12/adl-spies/
Is that the same Abe Foxman who headed the ADL that advised a couple to purchase a police scanner to eaves drop on a neighbor’s phone calls to catch her making antisemitic jokes? (The court sided with the target awarding her $10 million for invasion of privacy).
Is that the same Abe Foxman quoted here sounding like a bastion of constitutional rights?
I need to step out for some air. I feel dizzy.
Don’t forget about the famous dolly parton incident.
Or the famous Oliver Stone incident. For crying out loud–quit apologizing for speaking, America. Just stop it!
Hard to believe that it would be possible for all Israeli people to think along with the Blum’ s of the world. I believe that the rulers have sown the seeds that are getting them their negative response. The slaughter in Palestine cannot be painted in a good light. Common people(the majority) have much less to lose so they can’t be controlled. In the end Israel ,Canada and the USA will not win this war on free speech. It has nothing to do with hate but all to do with truth.
I agree that it is wrong to accuse “Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interest of their own nations,” in the abstract. However, if a Jew voluntarily becomes an Israeli citizen and retains his original citizenship, doesn’t he, by definition, have dual loyalty to Israel and his country of origin? Isn’t it legitimate to question the loyalty of dual citizens by choice?
Of course it is fair, they just don’t like it. We have people in high government office with dual citizenship! It is an outrage. Why isn’t it law that you cannot have dual citizenship for high US office?
If one is open about a dual citizenship, I see little problem with one working for the government of the nation in which he resides. Like judges who recuse themselves from cases because of a particular conflict, so then could a government worker do so as well…and be EXPECTED to do so. Ferguson, with the blatantly biased DA doing a grand jury and deliberately dropping the ball, is a bad example. That DA should be in prison right now.
The problem with dual loyalty is that the interests of Israel and USA are not one and the same. Of course, AIPAC and other American Jewish NGOs are doing their best to conflate the two because of the obvious benefits for Israel (US government gives over 2 billion every year in no-strings financial aid to Israel for example). So to answer your question, yes–it is perfectly legitimate to question dual citizen’s loyalty. Look at the problems Chuck Schumer is having: he is more loyal to Israel than to the country he serves. Schumer’s case is a fine example of how impossible it is to have “dual loyalty”. Just doesn’t work.
“I agree that it is wrong to accuse “Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interest of their own nations,” in the abstract.”
Is it still wrong if it’s true?
When the American Jewish community is hoodwinked — too easily hoodwinked — into supporting Israel, and their substantial financial resources solicited, obtained, and applied by Israeli agents — the Neoconservatives and AIPAC — to the subversion of the United States government, is that not disloyalty? Is that not material betrayal? In particular, is it not betrayal when it induces the subverted US government to engage in acts putatively supportive of Israel but destructive to the interests of the United States and its people?
I have no doubt whatsoever that American Jews love America. That’s not in dispute. The problem is that they also love Israel, and that when they act in support of Israel they don’t notice that it may be destructive to the United States. They probably don’t even notice the ***possibility*** that it could be destructive to the United States. This is kind of willful blindness that shields them from even considering the issue of disloyalty.
Take the invasion of Iraq for instance. Fomented by means of Israeli subversion of the United States government, at a cost of 4500 American lives lost, thousands of American soldiers gravely wounded, and trillions of dollars of American taxpayer money spent — wasted one must inevitably declare — exclusively for the purpose of eliminating an enemy of Israel, was an act clearly destructive to the interests of the American people and nation. This was an act carried out exclusively for the benefit of Israel and implemented by a US government subverted by Israeli influence, a subversion bankrolled/mediated by the American Jewish community, hoodwinked or no. It would be hard to find a more blatant example of disloyalty.
So, open your eyes and speak the truth clearly, dual loyalty — which is to say disloyalty — is not a “canard” it is a reality… to be spoken of bluntly. Then, let the consequences fit the offense, and leave anti-semitism out of it, thank you very much.
How low can a university go after appointing Janet Napolitano, card carrying member of the American ignorantsia, as its president. I was naive to think that at least UCLA and UC Berkeley would not go the way of other American universities in outsourcing their policy to their wealthy donors.
Universities dependent on state funding can go pretty low. There is a creeping authoritarianism on university campuses across the US. Individualism and dissent are tolerated as long as it appeals to the political sensibilities of the government & wealthy, influential donors. Look no further than the Occupy Movement & the harsh crackdowns on students by university police.
Read here what the NC governor did to the extremely popular President of UNC-Chapel Hill. Notice how a law professor critical of the governor’s policies lost his life’s work. Wealthy donors & the financial industry are using their money to influence ideas and punish those who don’t subscribe to their version of the religion of capitalism.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-politics-at-the-university-of-north-carolina
Obama has used the Republicans’ austerity to starve every state university’s liberal arts, social sciences & humanities depts. Federal grants in the social sciences lose money every year while Science, Technology, Engineering & Math (STEM) is awash in government & military contractor grants.
There is little room for outspoken dissent when social science professors are told find grants or lose your position- tenure or not -while being squeezed dry by deliberate govt policies. It’s like the Middle Ages when accused witches were thrown into water. If they sank & drowned they were innocent if they floated they were guilty & burned.
The ignorati are pulling the strings across the entire US education system. Thanks to the Intercept for revealing one ugly example of government sanctioned thought repression.
Denying the Nazi genocide of European Jews is anti-Semitic hate speech? Really? By whose standard?
If it is hate speech, then what about then-Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres saying “[w]hat happened to the Armenians was a tragedy, not a genocide.” That statement must have been racist, anti-Armenian hate speech. What about all the supporters of Israel who similarly claim the Armenian Holocaust never occurred? That would include many Israeli politicians and American academics such as Bernard Lewis of Princeton.
No one who denies the Armenian Holocaust, or fails to criticize anyone who does, has ANY right whatsoever to complain about the Nazi genocide of European Jews getting the same treatment. And that includes the Government of Israel and its US lobby.
Best to go to a pro on this stuff: Adolf Hitler himself, happy enough to both acknowledge and learn from the past: the genocides of the American indigenous peoples & the Armenian Genocide. That is, in “how to” terms.
Hitler took special comfort from the successful efforts to suppress the history of the Armenian Genocide: “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” he wrote, happily.
Does being politically correct mean anything anymore?
Seems being politically incorrect now is humanizing who the war mongers tell you the enemy is. You get into a lot of trouble for that.
As far as silencing criticism of Israel in the US goes, like the hawks in the US, Israel has abandoned the higher ground ( or defeated) so it makes sense that they join forces.
If goals behind war and silencing criticism were genuinely based on protecting Jews, you’d think there’s lots of people out there that would agree due to the historical significance of all three major religions on that land you could address the problem of antisemitism and all other religious prejudices by working towards creating a land for interfaith dialogue or not silencing speech, welcoming all visitors.
And with the reach of US mass media and their endless perception magicians we could help make this happen – except the weapons and surveillance backed, war always, defeatist ideas barren, control everything environment (or what now decides what politically correct is) that we live in would never allow it. Promoting democracy or freedom is the ability to oppress, silence, lie or kill without challenge or consequence.
This idea and part has me laughing:
Israel exists because the international community decided to end the British Mandate for Palestine and adopt the Partition Plan for Mandatory Palestine. There was no “self-determination” involved unless you count France and Czechoslovakia sending arms, including planes, to the fledgling state of Israel right before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. And all during. Or the two sympathetic British soldiers who swiped two tanks and gave them to the IDF.
And if wasn’t for the US and some in Europe protecting them to this day, Israel would probably likely cease to exists in its current form (or at the least as a function of its policies with regard to Palestinians and failure to allow Palestinians right of “self-determination”) without a shot being fired as a function of a decade or so of being BDSed into change or non-existence.
It’s scary because BDS works. And it’s precisely what the world needs to do to the good ol’ US of A if it ever expects the US to start conducting itself differently on the world stage and end its hegemonic ambitions.
And if Americans were actually serious about changing their own nation, they’d organize rolling general worker strikes until our bought and paid for politicians were brought to heal and forced to work for we the people. But that’s not going to happen because between divide and conquer being effectively employed against poor and working classes, and Americans being some of the most propagandized people on the planet consistently working against their own shared self-interest, they likely could never sustain that sort of solidarity for more than about 10 seconds.
All it would take to brink America’s corporatist factions to their knees would be a few weeks or months of rolling “sick-outs” and consumer boycotts of all non life sustaining products or services (except food, water, medicine and internet–and minimal amount of gasoline for purposes of taking folks for medical treatment or those not presently on strike) for a couple of months. But that would require coordination, planning on a whole bunch of levels, and willingness to share each other’s economic pain and support one another for the duration, and some coordination re: targets in various industries to bring down.
But seems to me you have to attack the American neoliberal capitalist beast where it lives–its economic viability.
Read the official Homeland Security definition of “terrorism”. There is a large economic element, so any domestic BDS movement would be brutally suppressed, most likely by a Democratic president, as the Occupy Wall St movement was by Obomber.
In other words, peaceful democratic change will not be tolerated by this, or any succeeding government in the USA.
Update. I received a reply after I asked Ben Carson’s campaign this question:
And here is the response from a Mr. Drew Ballesteros at CarsonHQ:
check is in the mail …
That’s better. He’s allowed to be a bigot when it comes to Muslims. It’s amazing that they think it makes everything alright.
We need a “Laugh” button on here; nicely done!
They can pass all the laws they want, but the first time they try and enforce them, I don’t see how they don’t fall when legally challenged on clear First Amendment grounds. It is pure protected “political” speech, and there isn’t really any getting around that.
And even if they cobbled together a majority on the Supreme Court, they could never outlaw the impulse to engage in BDS regardless of whether you could talk about it openly on any college campus. Because Diane Feinstein who Californians should have shown the door a long time ago, is clearly never going to be able to pass a law that passes Constitutional muster that a) forces any individual to do business with Israel (maybe corporations) or buy Israeli made goods or services, and b) no law attempting to stop private individual’s from critiquing, orally and in writing, the policies or actions of the state of Israel will most definitely never pass Constitutional muster even with some of the boneheads on the Supreme Court. Not only because of long standing precedent but to enshrine a double standard for Israel is to run the risk of enshrining a double standard, imposed by the nominal “left” on all the vile speech that emanates from the “right” in this country.
And that’s a slippery slope I’m sure the Supreme Court won’t take a step toward sliding down.
Glenn, stop wasting your precious time and undoubted ability on the Junior Morons. These kind of hateful turds are there to tie up people like you. Just because it has a thousand heads doesn’t mean it is a Hydra or that you need to cut them all off to make change. Save your swing for kicking the big dogs in their danglies and leave the smaller mutts’ nuts for your acolytes to cut their teeth on. This Shamelessly Shameful House of Cards is tottering and it must be toppled because those idiots are a liability to everyone and everything. Thanks for the great work. Takes a lot of balls to do what you and ES are doing.
Curiously, a lot of us hold Israel to a higher standard for the same reason that we hold England, France, Germany, etc. to a higher standard – because we consider them a Western ally that holds the same moral imperatives. Our frustration is not because they are “Jews” doing bad things, but we see them as our brethren doing bad things. Just as when the U.S. tortures we find it more offensive than say when Saudi Arabia does, it’s because we have an inherent expectation of what is appropriate to our own culture.
So, when the Israeli country treats Palestinians in an unacceptable way, is as if *we* had behaved in such a way and we feel that we have a higher ground that we want to stand upon. We find it more offensive.
If our expectations and condemnations of Israel come out of anything, it is assumed respect for the Israeli nation, not out of anti-semitism. We expect better from Israel because we expect better from ourselves.
This!!!!!
“The soft racism of higher expectations.”
Good article, but you could’ve easily cut the word count in half!
Do you have a short attention span??
We have this problem today because sometime in the recent past all the BlackLivesMatter people voted as a group against John McCain while the LivesThatDontMatter people may have been largely influenced by FalseHope&Change. McCain may or may not have been a war hero in the greedy eyes of that Orangeutan that now survey us the voters, but at least he has never ever been a bigot.
The Orangeutan? Boehner? He did the Sarah Palin thing…quit.
I don’t find this very convincing:
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/320480/sodastream-boss-blasts-bds-as-firm-quits-west-bank/
I’m reminded of the antebellum arguments, including the argument that slavery was good for the slaves.
Here we have, “hey, we’re not the bad guy, exploiting a labour force under martial law!! And now look what you’ve done, we have to move and the Palestinians will lose their jobs, that’s your fault!!”
It isn’t the BDS movement that confines certain people to certain areas under martial law, prevents them from working in other areas. The Israeli army does that. And as important as work is, there is no reason why Palestinians can’t have both work, and freedom.
What Blum does to Feinkenstein is a private matter and should not concern us. Given their age and maturity they are free to do whatever they please and are able to do. At least he tries hard to do what the Law should be doing to her, presumably, which the rest of us can’t.
Liel Liebowitz at Tablet Mag has some advice for combating Israel critics on campus entitled “Going Back to School? Here’s How To Fight the Israel Haters.”
I’ll edit for brevity but link the article below:
So, in other words, when you hear criticism of Israel on campus, don’t engage in argument, just start making jokes so your opponent’s argument seems ridiculous and comical. Work your charm offensive and try to defuse people by getting them to laugh. I’m guessing that tactic would only work with people that don’t know much about the IP conflict.
He suggests this tactic as well:
So, I guess, “whataboutery.” But wait, there’s more:
Uh, I don’t know if I have the patience to parse that last one, but I think he’s saying form coalitions with people you share some commonalities with… and then…other people might be more amenable to your views on Israel? I’m not sure exactly what he’s saying.
And, in closing:
I see Liebowitz’s approach as two-pronged: it’s not just about deflecting, defusing and stifling criticism of Israel out of hand, it’s also about preventing young Jewish readers that take his advice from learning the truth about Israel.
It’s incredible to me that this man has a platform and that there are those out who buy his bullshit.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/193111/how-to-fight-anti-israel-haters
<blockquote We are living in tribal times, and tribal affiliations are based on the heart, not the head. Find people whose hearts are aligned with yours, and forget about converting the large swaths outside your tiny camp….Once you’ve defined—painfully, grudgingly—the parameters of your faith and the limits of your tolerance, you may collectively contemplate how to convey these ideas to others who lack your education and your convictions.
Straight out of the Hasbara manual.
So, it boils down to “proselytize?” OK, thanks. But he really is so verbose. Too verbose. And, there is so much to loath in the things he writes.
This is a good one, The University of California has a problem:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/does-the-uc-system-have-an-anti-semitism-problem/
Sounds terrible, a tide of activism on campus that oversteps reasonable criticism of Israel’s policies, even going so far as to demonize the country and it’s citizens..
(What’s wrong with apathy, and looking the other way, eh? I’m talking to you, critics of Russia and Iran!!!)
let’s examine one of those Israeli citizens who being unfairly demonized, the deputy defence minister of Israel:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-deputy-defense-minister-called-palestinians-animals/
It’s inexplicable to blogger Anthony Berteaux isn’t it?, in the wake of the latest Israeli massacre of Palestinians in Gaza, and in the midst of the day to day atrocities of the occupation, why he sees a tide of anti-Israeli activism on campus, directed against a government that includes Eli Ben Dahan.
Most hilariously, Berteaux even finds the effort to resist the redefinition of anti-Semitism, to be an example of anti-Semitism:
or put another way:
You see, free speech is an inherently democratic right, that is why criticism of Israel is only a mask of politically correct terminology shielding attacks on the Jewish student experience,….or
…or put into “Californese”….
It’s a bummer, man, like when, people say bad things about a country like, you know, they massacre people, don’t let them vote and stuff, and I’m like, you’re harshing my student experience man, that’s my favourite country in, literally, the whole world, and they’re like, but it’s true, and I go, I’m telling Senator Feinstein, and they go, whatever….
Glenn, every day I’m learning to be a better person but As much as I try don’t understand how you can write this without putting your fist through what ever is closest to you? To me this proves the “Nazi” “Senior Senator” from California is truly a puppet master, tramp!
@jlocke-I’m laughing while putting my fist through things! You’ve put Spikoli into a political discussion? I never thought my brain would be able to process such opposing ideas/concepts?
Very funny! Now I want a bagel……..
The God of Race
Without race, antisemitism is only blasphemy.
I’m not saying that hating someone–not because of what they believe, but because of the word that they self identify with–is not cruel and horrible and bigoted, I’m just saying–Welcome to partisan politics!
Hating someone, not because of what they believe, but because of the word they self identify with–that is the essence of partisan politics.
Look at the Gods you have made.
Implicit in the view of the new authoritarian left is the assumption that most people cannot think for themselves. The cure they propose is to ban speech that “authorities” deem as “inappropriate”. The evidence they present involves references to some spectacular atrocities in which political propaganda played a limited role – completely out of context.
The striking ignorance displayed by people who support “political speech restrictions” is their limited historical horizon. These same restrictions that they advocate for others today will enslave them and their own tomorrow.
These are Israel-firsters, both Democrats and Republicans, certainly NOT people of the left. Garden-variety mainstream assholes.
Your assertion is incorrect, or at least incomplete, and it is short-sighted, in my view.
While some are what you call “Israel-firsters”, there are many more on the “liberal” side who are neo-liberals – these folks are the “enablers”. It is with the help of the enablers that much of the “restricted political speech” policy is being advanced. The neo-con side does not need explaining.
The reason for the assault by neo-liberal and neo-cons on the higher educational institutions is explained by their distaste for real democracy. Universities remind them of free thought and expression; something they consider as truly dangerous to their ideology. These folks are a major force in de-democratization of universities not because they are necessarily supporters of Israel or Jewish people – they simply see the public democratic sphere in which ideas can be expressed freely as a very dangerous place.
Who are the Authoritarian left? Name one of them for me, please.
Where did they find that photo at the top? Perfect.
The Pope couldn’t have said it better… but He’s definitely a snappy dresser!
There are a lot of Jews “everywhere”, Glenn. Oddly enough, I’ve met “them” all over the world. *Rumor has it you’re a little ‘Jew’ish’ Glenn. .. which some people say, and I’m not going to say who Craig, is itself a long-standing anti-Semitic trope!
According to the State Department, it is anti-Semitic to blame all Jews for the actions of Israel, and it is also anti-Semitic to specifically limit criticism to the State of Israel alone. I believe that the LSAT would have defined that argument as circular logic.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4703507,00.html
‘The EU must ban all products from Israel’
Frank van der Linde, a Dutch political-social activist who spent a long time in Israel and has dozens of friends in the country, is the face of the BDS campaign in the Netherlands. In a special interview to Yedioth Ahronoth, he explains why he doesn’t recognize Israel as a state, dismisses claims of hypocrisy in light of the other injustices taking place in the world, and says he supports the rights of both Palestinian and Jewish refugees.
Ronen Bergman
Published: 09.25.15, 19:54 / Israel News
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The Council of the University of California Faculty Associations, along with the AAUP, released a letter protesting strongly Blum’s comments. A letter regarding the debate of the speech code will be released in the very near future. The Blum letter is available here:
http://academeblog.org/2015/09/25/cucfa-and-aaup-statement-on-uc-regent-blums-remarks/
That letter is very well written, and it points out there is actually a specific provision defending the political independence of U of C in the California constitution, even beyond the usual free speech principles that apply to government entities in the U.S.
Yes, that was perhaps our most important point. That the statement he made is itself unconstitutional. Moreover, as will soon become public, the make-up of the committee they are forming apparently includes no faculty or people who actually deal with students, and includes, of all people, chancellor pepper spray–linda katehi, whose unconscionable behavior regarding free speech at davis will forever be memorialized by the video of the cop (whose salary of $114,000 is higher than likely 90% of UC faculty) assaulting peaceful students with pepper spray directly into their eyes. Either they are complete idiots, or they put her on the committee on purpose, to send a message that they in fact will do nothing to protect free speech and everything to cause more tensions and violate constitutional and academic principles on campus. The struggle continues…
Despite their being married, Blum’s statement probably opens up communications between himself and Feinstein to the public under California’s Open Records Act.
@Mark LeVine –
Thanks for this note… please be sure to post about the faculty letter re: speech code debate if you come across it.
You said downthread: “…the make-up of the committee they are forming apparently includes no faculty or people who actually deal with students…”
My experience and observation is that there is a troubling trend of not including faculty in important decisions if it can be gotten away with.
See what Noam Chomsky had to say about free speech in his recent lecture at The New School:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32974-noam-chomsky-the-us-not-iran-poses-greatest-threat-to-world-peace
To cut to the chase, start at around minute 12.
By all means, teach children and young people to communicate courteously and respectfully. But don’t ban or outlaw speech. That is a very slippery slope that will be difficult climb back out of once we’ve gone down it.
Here’s another link I happened across —- and thought you all might be interested. CA Universities really are some places!
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/09/06/history-professor-denies-native-genocide-native-student-disagrees-gets-expelled-course
A remark such as that based on a singe incident is inappropriate.
Ah, Mike… Although this is only one instance, taken with the proposed regents’ policies for the U. C. system… and if I have it right, the AAUW helped several plaintiffs in sex discrimination cases at CA universities. Let’s also see – isn’t John Yoo employed by U.C. — Berkeley?
So, I don’t think my remark is at all inappropriate; although maybe a bit lacking in context —- but folks can fill in blanks and make their own conclusions. And “some places” isn’t even that strong—– not even really condemnatory!!!
In regard to the proposal the U. C. regents are considering, forgive me if I missed it (the article was sort of long and my eyes tired somewhat…) but I don’t think Glenn included a link with more detail about them. Here’s an article I came across a couple of days ago believe it or not:
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/university-california-seeks-create-right-be-free-acts-and-expressions-tolerance#.sbesv2:YnWT
I have mixed feelings. Like many posters, I totally want to defend free speech. Like Froncek, I want students to be exposed to many viewpoints. I agree with Glenn that we should never seek to try to shut down legitimate criticisms and dissent, especially in academia.
But I have to posit another facet to this debate. As a retired educator, I know that the educational atmosphere can be conducive to learning – or not. I’m not sure that asking that students NOT be subjected to an atmosphere of hate and intolerance would be a totally bad thing. How would we feel, individually and/or collectively if racial epithets that might be aimed at “us” were freely thrown around classrooms? How would we feel if threats were the norm ?
Many of us decried the flying of a confederate flag on government property. One reason was that all citizens should feel they could interact with their government on a fair basis. I think students need to feel that they are all legitimate parts of the student body. We need to make sure this is the case. I don’t think we have to stifle honest debate; but we do need to make sure that all are treated with sensitivity (oh, there’s that word again!) and respect.
It is not clear to me whether your mixed feelings are about what the university system proposes or what Glenn wrote, but on the whole I think you are missing the point. No matter how proposals such as this can be made to sound, it is very clear that the attempt is to mute criticism of Israel while allowing criticism of Palestinians to continue.
And damn, that comparison between a government flying the confederate flag and the feelings of illegitimacy of a student exposed to an idea is pretty lame!
First, the comparison between gov’t flying the confederate flag and a student feeling “illegitimate” due to being exposed to an idea…. not QUITE what I was saying. I was hoping to refer to a CLIMATE where hate speech was overtly bandied about, not mere exposure to ideas. So I don’t think my comparison is lame at all. Maybe a further analogy from an English prof where I worked… he had to make the point to one of his classes that there was a major difference between reading a racial epithet in a literary work, say, “Huckelberry Finn” and/or discussing its usage and a student calling another student that epithet. Yes, he really had to make that point to his class.
As far as my mixed feelings, of course I agree with Glenn that criticism of Israel shouldn’t be stifled. That I really feel goes to legitimate debate, criticism, dissent, etc. So I wouldn’t support those “harsher” standards. I’m more mixed about what’s actually being considered. The fact that such things are under consideration should definitely be looked at carefully. We should definitely respect the First Amendment, but we also should recognize that yes, the educational atmosphere is important as well. I know it’s a very fine line to tread, but I think we need to find ways to do it.
The State Department’s concerns have been answered by Greenwald himself:
In sum, maligning “Muslims” is about more than maligning the doctrine of Islam, just as maligning “Jews” has always been about more than maligning the doctrine of Judaism.
I remember reading, long ago, about an American Jew who went to observe the trials at Nuremberg, after the war. He went there expecting to see the inhuman monsters that had done such damage to his people. Instead, he saw only other people. Cruel, stupid people who were convinced, more than anything else, of their own righteousness. But still people. That’s when the true horror of it all hit him. If it could happen to them, it could happen to anyone. As time went on, he became convinced that, at some point in time, it would happen again.
So here we are today, and we’re beginning to see a re-emergence of that horrible mindset. In America. In the Middle East. In Greece. And, yes, in Israel. Seventy years from oppressed to oppressor. If it can happen to a people who have actively tried to remember the past in order to keep history from repeating itself, what chance do the rest of us have?
It’s not that we are so different. It’s that we’re too damned much alike.
Universities are not concentration camps where growth of mind should be capped.These are neither regiments where only one set of drill is enough nor Animal Form of George Orwell.Diolouge needs freedom of expression and is the essence of democracy
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
(Not Voltaire)
Chinese proverb: “Drop by drop wears away the stone.” There are those who would like to see the Constitution eroded. We must ask: Who profits?
Some like to attribute this quote to Voltaire:
“If you seek to find who has power over you, see who you are not allowed to criticize.”
Thanks, Charlene. That’s worth reposting!
This only helps to further outrage people. The more the students are bullied and told what they are allowed say. The more the anger stoked. “IDF” can slaughter all the women and children it wants and you will damn well like it” the Israeli puppet masters must be very worried. They are wrong the world is right. It is what it is. Things might change soon.
Bitch packs, and pro gun control.
Can the University of California do without the money, that pleasing DiFi could bring in? Most universities are run like corporations.Who can bring the most money in, thereby profiting the corporation.Who can get the most grants? money for research?
We like to think of academic freedom, but time after time, we have seen those who criticize Israel be denied tenure or fired or let go, before that get to teach a single class.
I think DiFi will win out, but there’s at least 3 generations of people that say Israel will keep shooting itself in the foot.Israel is a strange place, suddenly.
The State Dept’s definition of antisemitism is taken from the European Union’s “working definition” which the EU disowned almost two years ago.
Just to clarify: the UC system includes ten campuses throughout California, not just Berkeley or UCLA, so it’s a very big deal.
Also, while a school or gov’t (and this is both) can regulate the time, place and manner of speech, it has to be content neutral. I see a great, big, fat 1st Amendment case here. But if you owe loyalty to a foreign country, rather than the U.S., then the concept of free speech probably seems alien.
“””But if you owe loyalty to a foreign country, rather than the U.S., then the concept of free speech probably seems alien.”””
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers'_Corner
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A Speakers’ Corner is an area where open-air public speaking, debate and discussion are allowed. The original and most noted is in the northeast corner of Hyde Park in London, United Kingdom.
Speakers here may talk on any subject, as long as the police consider their speeches lawful, although this right is not restricted to Speakers’ Corner only. Contrary to popular belief, there is no immunity from the law, nor are any subjects proscribed, but in practice the police tend to be tolerant and therefore intervene only when they receive a complaint. On some occasions in the past, they have intervened on grounds of profanity.[1]
Speaker’s Corner April 1987 The speaker has invented a religion. The man on left highjacks other speaker’s presentations.
Historically there were a number of other areas designated as Speakers’ Corners in other parks in London (e.g., Lincoln’s Inn Fields Finsbury Park, Clapham Common, Kennington Park and Victoria Park). More recently they have been set up in other British cities, and there are also Speakers’ Corners in other countries.
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Australia
There is a Speakers’ Corner in the Domain in Sydney, established in 1878. The speakers talk every Sunday afternoon from 2 pm until 5 pm, and have a website. Official outdoor “free” speech first appeared in the hustings and hanging grounds of Hyde Park Sydney in 1874. Free speech in this form was banned following a serious riot between Catholics and Orangemen. However, following the formalisation of free speech in Speakers’ Corner in London it was decided in 1878 that The Domain would be the place for free speech in Sydney. Other Speakers’ Corners are found in King George Square and The Powerhouse in Brisbane. In Melbourne, Speakers’ Corner was originally held in Birrarung Marr where the original site is still visible. This site has lost some popularity over the years and Speakers’ Corner (Now called “Speakers’ Forum”) is currently held outside the State Library of Victoria on Sunday afternoon from 3 pm.
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England, Canada, Italy, Malaysia, Sigapore, Netherlands, Trinadad and Tobago, Thailand and even the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox
A soapbox is a raised platform on which one stands to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject. The term originates from the days when speakers would elevate themselves by standing on a wooden crate originally used for shipment of soap or other dry goods from a manufacturer to a retail store.
The term is also used metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant impromptu or unofficial public speaking, as in the phrases “He’s on his soapbox”, or “Get off your soapbox.” Hyde Park, London is known for its Sunday soapbox orators, who have assembled at Speakers’ Corner since 1872 to discuss religion, politics, and other topics. A modern form of the soapbox is a blog: a website on which a user publishes their thoughts to whomever they are read by.
I was thinking of Israel, not Marble Arch.
Ah I see the light, sorry.
https://www.google.com/search?q=i+see+the+light+lyrics&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=i+see+the+light+
If I may, I think this one is superior:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fxY2zh33z0
“But if you owe loyalty to a foreign country, rather than the U.S., then the concept of free speech probably seems alien.”
Yes, particularly if that country does not itself have a constitution.
Would this mean that the “Bears For Israel” and other rabid pro-Israel campus groups would be held accountable for demonizing the Palestinian people, or denying the Palestinian people their right to self-determination, or denying Palestinians the right to exist, (within their own sovereign country)?
What about the very vocal Israel voices on campus that refer to Students For Justice in Palestine as being connected to terrorism? Would that be considered “intolerant” or “hate speech?”
“denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination”
Why should anybody be forced to condone ethnic nationalism, and thereby, ethnic supremacy? Nobody should be forced to condone racism, and the ‘right’ of Israeli Jews to lord it over others.
It’s not unusual for University of California to attempt to censor speech on campus. It just happens to be an instance that raises the hackles of Glenn Greenwald and leftwing activists.
Just last week, at a sensitivity training program for University of California, I was instructed not to use the phrase “All lives matter” and “illegal immigrants.” I’d love to see Glenn take up the issue of campus speech that doesn’t center on Israel or BDS, but I’m not holding my breath.
Did they threaten you with suspension for using these terms?
No. They are instructed not to use the phrase ‘threaten with suspension’. The proper term is ‘provide opportunity for reflection’.
I also would like to know. If there are no real repercussions, it’s not actually an attack to free speech. Being able to question speech and how/why it’s used is also an exercise in free speech.
These were given as examples of creating a hostile environment for students, and we were definitely told we could be punished for that.
That’s because “all” lives aren’t at the same risk, Evan. Black lives are at significantly greater risk at the hands of the police than any other group–and not because they’ve committed any infractions of the law. That’s why Black Lives Matter. And I’m White. But I get it.
And immigrants are human beings. Can you conceive of that in a context that your ancestors might have related to? Everyone who has come to America has come looking for a better life, and judging by your name, your ancestors might not have had any legal papers, either. Mine didn’t. They fought in the Revolutionary War, but they sure as hell were ” illegal” with your inane terminology. Try to err on the side of compassion for those coming here for the same reason you’re here.
Well said!
Unsurprisingly, you totally missed the point. They’re regulating speech. I’m not interested in debating the Black Lives Matter with you or the University of California, not after being threatened by them.
so what your saying is – not all lives matter? or just that black lives matter above all else. whites get killed more often by police than blacks do but im sure you dont care. where are all you feminist bitches when illegal muslims rape women relentlessly in european camps? still focused on frat parties i take it.
Instructed by whom? Someone official?
I’m also interested in how invasive UC “sensitivity training” might be. Are we talking a class on etiquette? Or something like The Game at Synanon? (For the record, I believe that the best place for sensitivity training should be in dental school. But I digress).
Haha. The Game at Synanon… I was in Synanon for over two years in the 70s. The Game could be what’s needed today. UC campuses should have mandatory Synanon-style Games on student curriculums. This would affectively epitomize free speech and would kill PC.
Knew someone who was there. That was when they were still in the former Dutch Boy Paint factory on Potrero Hill. One evening’s visit there was quite enough, thank you.
It was a short training course for graduate students before they could teach. And it wasn’t described as “etiquette” but “preventing a hostile environment”, which has serious consequences.
Indeed, as that phrase, hostile [work] environment, can be the basis of a lawsuit.
There are some details missing from your anecdote. Could you fill in the blanks? Instructed by whom? Sensitivity training program put on by whom; for what purpose? Saying “all lives matter” isn’t about “sensibility” by they way, it’s an asinine retort or misdirection, and most anyone saying it is showing their ignorance, not their insensitivity.
@Kitt –
Ummmm saying “all lives matter” isn’t ALWAYS an “asinine retort or misdirection.” Could be , but NOT always.
I, myself, have been known to say that or something very similar. WHY? Because I want us to start building bridges… we absolutely must try to let folks know that even if they are not engaged by the problems that African-Americans encounter, those problems could very well affect THEM or their loved ones TOMORROW.
My feeling, though, is that whoever instructed Even and all NOT to use that phrase felt that it indeed WAS to be seen as inappropriate… I also would love to hear more from Evan about this.
I disagree with your concept of the point and purpose of black lives matter and your juxtaposition and understanding of thinking it needs to be “balanced” or built on or some shit with the lame phrase all lives matter. It bores me to explain why beyond what I have already done.
Black Lives Matter Does Not Equal All Lives–By Linda Chavers
@kitt-All of that fucked up shit is real, all of it! But the perpetrators of those heinous acts do NOT represent most of us. They don’t! One consequence of your position is that when a black person encounters a person of another race that has a personality conflict with him/her, him/her will automatically think it’s racism not just a personality conflict. I’ve experienced this a lot…….
The meaning behind the term Black Lives Matter is not something that I made up or have claimed as “my position.” It has a meaning and it is simply based in the fact that black lives have been treated as they have, as history shows, and the are now in current time shows. It’s a simple and obvious phrase with a simple and obvious meaning. The reason that those who don’t understand it or think that it needs to be bastardized or ‘All Inclusive’ do so because they haven’t bothered to read or listen. This is a case of you can disagree or be of another opinion, but at least do the research first to find out what it is that you are disagreeing with and forming another opinion about.
I can’t speak to your personal interactions that you’ve claimed about “personality conflict.”
@kitt-research what?
Wait, first let me address my confusion about the first 2 sentences of your response? I have commented or responded in less than clear thoughts due to time crunch or my 5 yr old daughter trying to help etc, was this the case here? Actually, your entire 3:52PM response doesn’t make sense to me when I reread my 8:53 AM response to your 6:04 AM comment. Im not sure what you are saying?
Are you saying that most of the people, in this country, that value all human life (as you say “All Inclusive”) are ignorant if they don’t segregate black lives from the rest?
I use ” personality conflict ” when I have a conflict with anyone. Without fail, when a conflict between a ” black ” person and myself happens, they say it’s because of race. Every time? It doesn’t matter if I’m at work or at a bar or playing a pick up game. What I have learned is that black people are racist as well. Not all of them are but they are there. Should I believe all blacks are racist?
FYI-I look for your comments when I’m done reading the posted piece. I find your thoughts to be like mine in many ways and if not I learn something new. Sometimes a disagree but it’s rare unlike ” the Craig ” as Mona would say. I rarely agree with his thoughts.
No.
Honestly Kitt.., Linda Chavers? Really? Dr. Chavers’ biography is as every bit privileged as those “white” people that she is so fond of denigrating.
Example of one who enjoys the fruits of white privilege while extolling the virtues of black guilt:
I’m an educator. I teach English at one of the top independent boarding schools in the world. I’m also a Black woman. With a Masters in English, which qualifies me to teach it, and a Ph.D. in African-American Studies from Harvard University, which, among other things, scares the shit out of everyone.
Yet, here I am, in rural New England, teaching the literature of my choice and with an interdisciplinary bent (read: African-American) and how to write the personal essay to a mostly White, upper-class population.
And this is a good thing.
“When applying to grad schools I wrote in my personal statement that my presence in a classroom is a revolutionary act. I fill a space of authority that is still very much White, male and very, very privileged. When I visited my current school’s campus and saw the alumnae list full of governors, Supreme Court justices and presidents I felt emboldened. What ran through my head would become a recurrent mantra since my time here, “I’m here for the White boys.”
None of what you wrote — and I sure as hell didn’t bother to read all of it because you’re a fucking bore — has nothing to do with what Linda Chavez wrote.
‘None of what you wrote — and I sure as hell didn’t bother to read all of it because you’re a fucking bore — has nothing to do with what Linda Chavez wrote”
Oh? Really? Apparently, you do not know the views of Dr Chavez as well as you would have people believe.
An Elegy for Michael Brown
http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/11/30/elegy-michael-brown
I couldn’t help but read the “elegy” for Michael Brown:
“…….Remember, it’s only once you start feeling uncomfortable that we’re getting anywhere. Remember, Darren Wilson had a defense fund. Remember that what you will not see are the many White folks who will shake his hand….”
Darren Wilson – exonerated twice for doing his job and correctly dealing with a thug.
Craig –
I usually don’t bother to even read most of your posts, let alone reply. But this one got me. I disagree that Darren Wilson was “doing his job.” And I find dog-whistles such as ‘thug” deplorable.
AH, I believe Karl’s post was mostly a quote from Chavers’ article itself.
“AH, I believe Karl’s post was mostly a quote from Chavers’ article itself.”
Shhhh.., Kitt doesn’t like the truth to get in the way of his/her hateful, pontifcal pretensions.
Here is the point, felne16: What Karl wrote has nothing to do with what Chavez wrote about the history of discrimination and murder of blacks throughout history. It does not matter if feline16 wrote that or if Kitt wrote that or if the jackass Karl would have crawled out from under his slime shell and wrote that. It is the truth. So if Linda Chavez has ever in her life written or said something that Karl thinks works against her, it doesn’t make a goddamed difference to what she wrote in what I quoted. Get it?
Oh Kitt, how revealing. So, the source of information does not matter in your view? You pay no heed at all to the bias of the source when evaluating the merits of a particular position? Or, to the inconsistent positions espoused by that source? Or, to the sheer hypocrisy of those admittedly affluent sources who claim to be sympathetic to the suffering of “their people” without ever having gone hungry a day in their lives?
Here is the real point; you did not even recognize the writings of Linda Chavers – even when it was flagged; this is because your prevailing bias solely governs that which you choose to cherry-pick and post.
I had never heard of Linda Chavers. And as I said, her words that I quoted had nothing to do with who she is. And your contention that she is “privileged” is irrelevant to the words that she wrote that I quoted.
I’ll preface this link, which opens to the words of someone who explains in length what the phrase “Black Lives Matter” is about by repeating what you’re about: You’re a troll-machine. Being a troll-machine is all that you are about.
Now, if you are capable, read this and, if you like, argue with the author of the piece. I have nothing more to share or say to someone who has nothing to offer but straight up troll garbage.
A Herstory of the #BlackLivesMatter Movement by Alicia Garza
“…her words that I quoted had nothing to do with who she is.”
Thank you for proving my point. She presumes to speak for whole generations of black people with whom she shares no common experience beyond that which is only skin deep. What does she know about countless days of endless suffering, degradation, deprivation, hopelessness, and despair? Yet, she arrogantly carries on as if reading a few books about black history uniquely qualifies her to lecture poor, misguided liberals on why “Black Lives Matter Does Not Equal All Lives.”
Indeed, her words have nothing to do with who she really is.
Yet, Alicia Garza is ten times worse. All this racially divisive talk about “white supremacy” when a black man has occupied the highest political office in the land for the last seven years is merely a muddled, platitudinous rehash of the communist rhetoric that failed to take root even during the 1960s when the American black power movement was most radicalized. She, too, comes off as a self-important poser – a mere shadow of those nameless individuals (white and black) who repeatedly marched from Selma to Montgomery to highlight racial injustice by putting themselves directly in harm’s way.
Karl –
While I have to agree with your assessment of real heroes – the civil rights workers who did as you say, “put themselves directly in harm’s way”, I have to disagree a bit with something else you said:
“All this racially divisive talk about “white supremacy” when a black man has occupied the highest political office in the land for the last seven years…” Sorry to break this to you but the fact that an African-American is President doesn’t mean that racism has been eliminated. Not at all. All you need to do is look at the comments on some boards (The Guardian, Yahoo, for example) to see that such attitudes have definitely not been eradicated. You also said about Chavers: ” What does she know about countless days of endless suffering, degradation, deprivation, hopelessness, and despair? ” Does that mean you’re actually acknowledging the existence of something called “institutional racism?”
Now, one of my main themes is unity. However, while progress has been made in lots of ways, we still aren’t THERE yet. Unfortunately, there is institutional racism and that flows out of the ideas of white supremacy. WE must not turn a blind eye, but keep working on ways to address it and bring folks to the light.
“Sorry to break this to you but the fact that an African-American is President doesn’t mean that racism has been eliminated.”
This is a straw man argument. I never argued that racism has been eliminated in America. The point that I was attempting to make is that Alicia Garza’s language – and the divisive perspective that it is attempting to convey – is extremely distorted and grossly disproportionate to the times. In approximately five generations, America has evolved from a nation that condoned slavery to one that elected a black man as president twice in a row. In 2008, Obama got 43% of the white vote; this is the third highest count of white votes for a democratic presidential candidate ever. Clinton only managed to get 44% of the white vote in 1996. The only other democratic presidential candidate to do better was Carter who captured 48% of the white vote in 1976.
Secondly, Alicia Garza’s is outraged because those who mimicked the hashtag “Black Lives Matter” failed to acknowledged the genesis of the mimicked term. She actually characterizes this lack of attribution “the theft of black queer women’s work” – as if the agreed upon “bastardization” of the term was equivalent to copyright brand infringement when clearly it is not. Equally confounding is Garza’s insistence that the work (struggle against anti-Black racism) itself be viewed as the unique product of “black queer woman.’ It is quite apparent that Garza is intentionally conflating three distinct civil rights movements in away that prevents each from being separately discussed and evaluated on their own merits. She refers to this conflation as an effort to bring to the center “those that have been marginalized within Black liberation movements. It is a tactic to (re)build the Black liberation movement.” Such conflation is a purposeful blurring of distinctions and therefore fundamentally dishonest in my estimation.
Lastly, The cry for “proper attribution” belies Garza’s claim that the “work” is being done strictly for the benefit of those within the black community who have been traditionally marginalized by white society and, more recently, by the black liberation movement. Rather, it is a thinly veiled cry for the type of personal recognition that is a slap in the face of those selfless individuals who risked life and limb for generations in the struggle for civil rights without a thought of self-aggrandizement.
Hi Karl –
I’m not so sure that it was quite the straw man you thought. Of course we’ve made progress. I don’t think anyone can argue with that. But we still have quite a long way to go.
And yes, we do have to be aware of how things are said in context. I think that was part of my original point. “All lives matter” *can* be misdirection or even racist, but not NECESSARILY so.
What you stated however, about an African-American President, you should be aware *is* often used as a racist line. Just do be aware of that.
I’m not sure what exactly to make of Alicia Garza; my eyes got tired reading the article (it was in pretty small print and I didn’t bother to zoom view). I don’t know all about copywriting and branding, but I don’t think we should condemn her/colleagues TOO much for wanting to have some sort of control over the “brand” or whatever you want to call it. I can believe, though, that it IS too easy for leader so crave personal recognition. Indeed, to follow the example of those “selfless individuals” you mention isn’t easy, for sure.
@feline16
Slogan (def) n. 1670s, earlier slogorne (1510s), “battle cry,” from Gaelic sluagh-ghairm “battle cry used by Scottish Highland or Irish clans,” from sluagh “army, host, slew,” from Celtic and Balto-Slavic *slough- “help, service.” Second element is gairm “a cry” (see garrulous). Metaphoric sense of “distinctive word or phrase used by a political or other group” is first attested 1704.
A Hashtag, catchphrase, brand name, or slogan does not make a movement; only an immature mind would allow itself to be swayed and/or inspired by a single line of text. Yet, we live in age where people have become increasingly conditioned to think and speak in abbreviated form. I have attached the etymology of the word slogan as it seems to speak most directly to Garza’s mindset. She seems to be concerned, in part, with the fact that the phrase “black lives matter” is becoming diluted in a way that subverts its original meaning, power, and intention. In the parts of the world where capitalism and modernity have become most fully integrated, individuals are perceived as mindless consumers who can be conditioned like Pavlov’s dogs to salivate upon hearing various slogans, jingles, catchphrases, and/or by seeing anyone of a myriad of corporate logos. Such methods have been extremely successful in the marketing of products and ideas because they have the capacity to bypass reason and invoke an immediate instinctive response in their intended target. The fact that certain slogans are specifically constructed to appeal to a natural bias (race, class, gender, etc) makes them especially potent. Although I applaud your ability and willingness to weigh both sides of an argument, the truth is seldom found by splitting the baby down the middle. Garza is a gay black woman who is attempting to transform the world in a way that reflects her own mindset.
Gays make up seven tenths of one percent of the population of the United States. Twelve percent of Americans are black. Woman make up approximately half of the population. When one does the math, the number of gay black females in the population is roughly 147, 000 at best. Yet, Garza endeavors to make their concerns a primary element of the new and improved black liberation movement. In order to accomplish this task, she is intentionally retooling the anti-racist language of the back liberation movement of the 1960s by conflating the social concerns of blacks, woman, and gays as if each element has an equal footing to the other regardless of the gross disparity in numbers. Thus, any narrative advanced in regard to anti-racism must include overt references to the concerns of black gay woman.
Hi Karl –
Again, I’m not so sure I’m so totally down on Garza, et.al., for wanting some control over BLM. Really think on it, that if you created a movement, or even a slogan you’d probably want to ensure it’s used in ways consistent with your ideas. In reference to the gay and female aspect; it seemed to me from what I read in the article that she wanted to bring those concerns more to the forefront. And yes, during the Civil Rights movement, although women were quite involved, the major upfront roles were mostly males. I’m not sure that equated to a total hijacking of everything else, though.
And just another friendly reminder: using that line such as “Now that an African American is President…” will likely turn off folks since that has been used so much to argue that we’re in a post-racial society – and of course we’re not. So you might want to consider phrasing things a bit differently or giving more context to your point. You thought I was raising a “straw man” —- I think now I was reacting to my experience of hearing such phrases used to actually make an implied racist point. So be aware of the way that phrasing can sound.
I definitely agree with this: “Yet, we live in age where people have become increasingly conditioned to think and speak in abbreviated form.” Yup: soundbites and tweets. We don’t go for context or dig deeper. One liners can sometimes be the thing, but if that’s all our dialogue ever is, it will probably go nowhere.
@feline16
The capacity to draw distinctions between ones self and others is a survival mechanism that is hard wired into the brain. In polite society, people like to pretend that they have transcended the biological imperatives that govern less evolved life forms (e.g. survival, territorialism, competition, indiscriminate reproduction, etc.). It is easy to pay lip service to rarefied concepts of racial equality, when one is surrounded by polite society. But, if one is doing time in a maximum security prison, ones very survival depends upon the ability to discriminate against those who are racially and/or sexually predisposed to violent aggression. These politically correct debates are most often conducted by those who live in insular enclaves far from the harsh reality of street life where predation in many forms is merely a way of life.
Kitt –
1) I believe BOTH articles in question were written by Linda Chavers, NOT Linda Chavez.
2) Don’t you find it ironic that you labeled Karl a “bore” for posting a snippet by the same author you’re extolling?
3) NO WAY have I tried to minimize or deny the history of discrimination that African Americans have been subject to. I am multi-racial, so I KNOW.
4) What YOU still evidently don’t get is MY reasoning. You don’t have to negate Black Lives Matter to start building bridges to ALL lives matter. I feel that at some point this will need to be done. Maybe I can still state this a THIRD way: unfortunately, there are still some among us who are either racist, or maybe just disengaged from the problems now highlighted by BLM ( it’s “them”, doesn’t affect me). They don’t see that there ARE larger issues in play. My Dad once said Jackie Robinson had the hardest job there was. I think Mr. Robinson once said something to the effect that it was working on the ballfield and in the clubhouse side by side with the other teammates that turned “most” of them around. What we need to start seeing is that we need to come together to work on those issues. Even if folks don’t fully buy into BLM, hopefully by seeing the bigger picture (and I believe there is) and start coming around.
I know also there was a classical psych study on competition and the only way they could get the groups of children to start cooperating was to manage a threat to the whole camp. Well, we need more folks to wake up and see —– our WHOLE camp is indeed threatened.
Now do YOU get it???
No. For one, I wasn’t “extolling” Chavers. Please pay attention, because, I have already said this: I had simply used her words in the quote I used because what she wrote was close to what I was trying to get across. And, as I already said, I had never even heard of Chavers before posting that quote. And please pay attention again — as I said in that reply to the “karl” troll, I didn’t read hardly any of his post to me. Included in what I purposelydidn’t read included his bull shit attempt to use Chavers to belittle Chavers. Frequently all one needs to read of “karl’s” post are “karl’s” first sentences of “karl’s” replies to see that he doesn’t “argue” in good faith. I was calling him a bore due to a having read several of his replies, which are almost always like that. He’s a bore because he doesn’t “argue” in good faith. He’s just a typical and boring “shit stirrer.”
I know that you are sincere and that you debate or argue or make your points in good faith. I disagree with you on more than a few occasions, and I think you, sometimes — as in this case — miss the point that I, perhaps, not clearly (I don’t know) am trying to make.
I don’t know if you have read the post I linked to, but it was written by one of the founders of BLM, and it is specific to the phrasing, Black Lives Matter. Doesn’t matter if I or you or “karl” agree with all of the post. That is beside the point. But If you had read her post you would see that she says something similar to what you posted in your final sentence. But if you would get beyond trying to drive home what we agree upon you would notice that saying “all lives matter” does not accomplish that, and there are very serious and real and necessary reasons for trying to understand, specifically, why the phrase “Black Lives Matter” is important and profound.
One important differentiation is to note is that “Black Lives Matter,” the phrase, and Black lives matter, the movement are not wholly one and the same. The phrase is specific and there is nothing about it, in my understanding of it, that I disagree with or don’t understand the necessity of. Black lives matter the “movement” is made up of individuals. Much great work has been done by many individuals. But I have my disagreements with some of the voices. I suggest bookmarking and reading posts at Black Agenda Report. You’ll see a lot there which will explain some of that.
Frequently all one needs to read of “karl’s” post are “karl’s” first sentences of “karl’s” replies to see that he doesn’t “argue” in good faith. I was calling him a bore due to a having read several of his replies, which are almost always like that. He’s a bore because he doesn’t “argue” in good faith. He’s just a typical and boring “shit stirrer.” – Kitt
I challenge anyone to review the last ten articles by Glenn Greenwald for the purpose of examining all of the exchanges between us. Every single comment directed at me by you has been filled with insubstantial, invective laced rhetoric. You are a joke! You reserve the right to attack anyone who dares to express a view different then your own. Yet, cry like a baby when your own views are challenged.
This ongoing exchange between you and feline16 is a typical example of the type of insubstantial falderal that you chronically engage in. You arrogantly berated Evan Becker for using the phrase “All lives Matter” by characterizing it as “an asinine retort or misdirection, and most anyone saying it is showing their ignorance, not their insensitivity.” You, then, went on to support your ridiculously shallow allegiance to a hastily adopted PC position by blindly cutting and pasting a cite from an admittedly unknown source. However, that did not stop you from lecturing Phil Ferro on the need to do “research” before “forming an opinion” and “disagreeing” with you. Similarly, you chose to reflexively characterize feline16’s feelings as lame and boring in defense of your self-professed ignorance of the context in which the phrase “black lives mater” originated. Yet, that didn’t stop you from once again blindly citing another source in response to my own challenge with the hope that you could mask your own ignorance and glaring hypocrisy. All of this could have been avoided by simply providing Evan with a link to Garza’s article without your usual level of insult. Let me ask you a simple question: Are you doing all of this in your role as a monitor?
@Kitt –
thanks for saying I argue in good faith. I really try to do that and I try always to be civil (unless you count the harsh words I had for a Judge David Barron or my feelings about mass surveillance spooks). I think you do, too.
I don’t think I was trying to negate BLM (the phrase OR the movement); I really don’t have a problem with that… but as for the rest of my reasoning, I’ll at this point just have to let my previous posts continue to speak.
Please contact me at the email address I need some help – I have been working for years on this subject and I am ready to publish I just need a little more input. I am uniquely qualified to write about the subject and I am a living historian on it. I am afraid because my serious headline is an alarm bell “Police 2016 – America’s Black question Resolved.”
The coming massacre has been planned far in advance and is in support of the transition to fascism. I have documented proof and I’m white …
@Kitt –
What I said was my own feelings about the situation. You seem to feel I am negating the facts that led to the movement. I do not. Of course, Black Lives Matter, and we shouldn’t have to keep saying it.
My point (let me try to state it a bit differently) is that while we don’t have to negate the impact on African-Americans, we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture: police abuses and over-militaristic policing, legal system abuses (former prosecutor Sidney Powell in speaking about her book said she found prosecutorial misconduct in cases involving even well-to-do, well connected folks and if it happened to them it could happen to anyone).
What I’m getting at is basically the same message Chris Hedges gave here:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_origins_of_our_police_state_20130916
I understood what you were saying, feline16! Actually, I had no trouble understanding you.
Thank you Samantha S.
Sorry Evan Becker. But as an issue relating to free speech on American college campuses, Israel isn’t really comparable to any other. People like Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson are pouring millions of dollars into lobbying efforts to stifle criticism of Israel on campuses, read about it here:
http://www.ibtimes.com/sheldon-adelson-hold-college-anti-semitism-meeting-tackle-israel-critics-1947322
Don’t you think that’s pretty weird? I mean, can you name me one other “issue of campus speech” that involves billionaires spending millions of dollars to influence its outcome and stifle free speech? I’ll wait.
Unfortunately, Israel gets special attention because Israel is a special problem.
Sorry Sebastian, but you totally misunderstand this issue. The leftwing activists on campus who stifle speech don’t need big money, because they’ve completely dominate campus activism and have a strong influence on campus staff.
Israel might be a special problem, but when no one bats an eye at threatening graduate students for saying “all lives matter” or taking a mainstream position on illegal immigration, that’s just as messed up.
If you can’t see that, you’re blinded by your own bias.
@Evan –
I was with you until: “leftwing activists on campus who stifle speech” I don’t have a lot of articles at hand now, but I don’t believe that it’s just us lefties who are somehow guilty of that…
I’m sorry to say that in general, some of the rhetoric from the right has been very poisonous. Online forums often have posters referring to “libtards” or the like. I do believe a famous rightie has also insinuated liberals are traitors.
As I told charliethetree — it’s not just one side. It’s very hard to talk to one another in such a poisonous atmosphere. And talk to each other we should. But if you want to call me a traitor, then I probably won’t want to listen to anything else you have to say. That’s why I wish folks would dial down the demogoguery (sp?) and really start looking at our actual problems.
“I was instructed not to use the phrase …’illegal immigrants’.”
This is factual. I believe the correct term is illegal aliens.
Is this a surprise?
Money talks.
This is why Saudi Arabia, Israel, arms dealers, and oil baronages have such a powerful voice in the US government.
Thanks Citizens United … and thanks to all those who think the wealthy have a fundamental right to drown out the collective voices of the poor and the oppressed. Whether in Congress, in the mediaverse, on college campuses or in despairing ghettoized neighborhoods across this country, the wealthy conspire to silence their opposition.
Why does this surprise anyone?
If the headline here were “This Shit Happens All the Time” and the article said, “The wealthy and powerful always control the narrative, and you shouldn’t be surprised, so sit there in despair and don’t bother trying to change anything,” then the article wouldn’t have much impact, now would it?
It’s also a matter of chance. If not for Dan White, she would not be where she is today.
They can’t stop the TRUTH!
They can’t drown out the voices of the PEOPLE!
They will lose because of their ARROGANCE!
Brothers! Sisters! UNITE!
No justice, no … um … no more playing NICE.
I may be poor, but at least I’m not one of the RICH!
Better for you PI?
RE: “Is this a surprise?” & “Why does this surprise anyone?”
Perpetuating the single biggest cliche and space-waster in internet commenting is not being “surprising” in the least.
Be the change you want to see in the world, sunshine.
Mr. Greenwald,
I don’t understand your introductory paragraphs tone. It comes off oddly vindictive at free speech advocates. I doubt FIRE or Volokh would disagree.
Ironically, what I found most concerning on your comments against Charlie Hebdo was that you overlooked this exact implication of the PEN letter. Social climate was the EXACT reason many Jewish Americans tried to deprive professors of tenure not so long ago.
I don’t understand the linkage there, either. I guess Greenwald thinks that the people opposed to PC speech codes from the left are turning a blind eye to PC speech codes from the pro-Israel right wing.
Are they? Has Volokh commented on this attack on free speech at his university?
I guarantee that Blum is one of the stupidest people on the planet if he thinks he is doing Israel any favors. He’s more likely to make the BDS movement hugely popular. He’ll also either create genuine anti-semitism (not just anti-Israel sentiment) if he gets his way or see Jewish students start leading BDS activities. Or both. He should stay out of politics and stick to worshipping the golden calf.
OK, then here is the linkage.
There is no shortage of American pundits who love to denounce “PC” speech codes which restrict and punish the expression of certain ideas on college campuses. What these self-styled campus-free-speech crusaders typically – and quite tellingly – fail to mention is that the most potent such campaigns are often devoted to outlawing or otherwise punishing criticisms of Israel. The firing by the University of Illinois of Professor Stephen Salatia for his “uncivil” denunciations of the Israeli war on Gaza – a termination that was privately condoned by Illinois’ Democratic Senator Dick Durbin – is merely illustrative of this long–growing trend.
You have people like Chait (discussed in Lowder article, linked) who are up in arms about what they claim is a monitoring of speech, especially on campuses, that makes people afraid to speak for fear of offending. For example, the idea of microaggressions is one that putatively makes people feel intense anxiety about what they say. But as Lowder points out, such horrifying scenarios are largely contained to the pundit imaginary.
But while all these scribblers are clutching their pearls about the supposed free-speech slaughterhouse of “political correctness,” they are silent about the actual and dangerous threat to the First Amendment that comes from people in power like Feinstein and her husband.
OK?
The first long paragraph is a quote–code didn’t work.
Sorry – who or what is “Volokh?” I did not catch that part.
The Volokh Conspiracy.
What is its relevance in this context, please?
It’s a legal opinion website, tilts a bit to starboard.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/
I believe Glenn’s lede is in his usual key, which is a denunciation of official (or media) hypocrisy. Those who decry “PC” enforcement, he seems to say, are the same pundits who would just love this kind of pro-Israel strongarm tactics.
That is exactly the point I derived from that paragraph.
This is MILD for Feinstein. Look up the case of Sherman Austin, who was prosecuted under one of her trick little amendments (this one was to ban bomb-making info, but she was also after methamphetamine and probably a dozen other things). See http://cryptome.org/bombmake.htm for example.
She and Rahm Emanuel are the two people I can think of who have the power to make me vote Republican. To keep them out, I’d wade right in there with the Trump supporters, start ranting on about how we can have a 200 mile high wall out of crucified Mexican corpses and make the Mexicans do it for us as a show of acquiescence. :) Seriously though, I’d like to know why people criticize the Democrats like it’s a party of hippies when it remains infested with such stormtroopers. (There – I just committed a Jew/Nazi Comparison Infraction. Send the SWAT team!)
That said, there is a lot of anti-Israel rhetoric that isn’t well founded, and I’m not actually eager to see U of C get on a BDS bandwagon. But challenging them with this kind of power mad stunt is the fastest route to make such a thing happen.
Let’s see now. Here you criticize the trampling of free speech by Congress. Simultaneously, on Twitter, you are sneering at a system that allows Congressman Boehner to get rich lobbying (speaking to) Congress after he retires. Is he allowed free speech, or no? It seems to me that he has the absolute right to do that under our Constitution, and I would defend that right, even if I think it’s bad.
On the contrary. There are laws regarding the revolving door in DC, even though you wouldn’t know it by their behavior. And for good reason.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/law-doesnt-end-revolving-door-on-capitol-hill/?_r=0
I just read this piece by Henry Giroux and it offers and explanation of why these assaults on our rights are becoming easier and easier to pass off as reasonable:
Well worth reading: http://philosophersforchange.org/2015/09/01/the-plague-of-american-authoritarianism/
Very well defined attempt to prohibit free speech. One would hope it backfires in multitudinous ways. Thanks Glenn for shining the needed light.
If the two of them are that much into punishment, they should go to Folsom Street Fair this coming Sunday.
I think that he is more turned on by junk bonds than junk bondage…
I was being funny, but frankly, the Folsom Street Fair is the kind of speech, verbal, expressive and percussive, that used to be illegal even in private, and still probably won’t fly in many U.S. cities. Here, they close off several blocks for this. At least it won’t be foggy and cold this Sunday. It’s a good object lesson to Sen. and Mr. Feinstein — if this kind of free speech and expression can go on in the Bay Area, so should any criticisms of the State of Israel.
They should take the $20 tour on Sunday. I think they’d both look fetching in black leather.
Yes, I realized that you were being funny. Apparently my attempt at wit only met you half way…
Why Reykjavik caved in:
Höskuldur H. Ólafsson, head of Arion Bank, forwarded an email to the mayor of Reykjavík. The email was from Eggert Dagbjartsson, managing partner of Equity Resource Investments, voic[ing] concern that the proposed boycott could potentially have a negative effect on the Marriott Hotel planned to be constructed next to Harpa concert hall in Reykjavík, since key people responsible for making the hotel project a success are Jewish Americans. The email urges the bank director to use his influence to have the motion withdrawn.
Höskuldur tells the mayor he finds it likely that similar emails will be sent to the bank regarding other proposed projects.
http://icelandreview.com/news/2015/09/23/reykjavik-withdraws-israeli-boycott
Ahh, the money trail. I would hope Reykjavik could do without the posited Marriot. Apparently not, pity.
I am a huge fan of Ta-nehisi Coates, but I’m troubled by his position around Israel Palestine – it is very pro Israel. Would he support Diane Feinstein and her husband? Maybe I am reading his position incorrectly, so please correct me if so.
“…but I’m troubled by his position around Israel Palestine”
As am I. I never understood this about him. I can’t tell if he’s just ignorant about the history and facts of the conflict or is just spineless and isn’t willing to take the position any moral person would take in a situation involving occupation, massive oppression, massacres and ethnic cleansing. I think he’s also under the influence of Jeffrey Gokdberg – a huge Israel crimes apologist & white-washer.
Also, I just read this great piece today by David Graeber written after he busted the West Bank. Everyone should take a look at it.
Sorry, forgot to include the link.
http://internationaltimes.it/hostile-intelligence-reflections-from-a-visit-to-the-west-bank/
Alana, thanks for the link to that Graeber article. It is one of the best things I have read on what occupation means.
Also, in my first comment, the last sentence should say “visited the West Bank” not “busted”. Damn auto correct.
Very likely ignorant. Anybody who has listened to “progressive talk radio” knows that Israel and it’s dreadful history are unknown. It’s really unnerving to hear normally sane people trip along with ugly reactionary stuff but there you go.
I haven’t seen him say anything at all on the subject, but I guess I’ve missed something. Do you have a link?
This is the most brilliant argument I’ve found so far in favour of the California University adopting the US government definition of anti-Semitism. As you might expect, it’s pretty lame:
http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-UC-should-adopt-Anti-Semitism-definition-6499678.php
This opinion piece if replete with idiocy, I don’t have time right now, but basically:
Israelis criticize Israeli policy in Israel, which is good for democracy….
….The UC adopting the State department definition will be adopting a cultural norm, and will not replace the US constitution…
…doing so will say to naïve students, they have a right to criticize Israel’s policies, but maybe they shouldn’t, and students shouldn’t demonize Israel’s leaders, and they shouldn’t deny Israel its rights.
What is the upshot?
Democracy? Good for Israeli coffee shops, bad for American universities.
Cultural norms, where do they come from? The state department.
Panic over, the UC will not be replacing the US constitution.
And you, over there ! Naive California students! Stop denying Israel its rights!
“Indeed, healthy criticism is the lifeblood of democracy, a concept that is foreign and incomprehensible to those whose cultural or political imperative is to block speakers whose opinions they do not support.”
It’s difficult to believe that the author of that opinion piece actually wrote that sentence and didn’t understand its relevance to his own “cultural or political imperative”. Could this be mere blindness – even willful blindness? Or is it far more likely to be deliberate deceit?
In any event, he has certainly provided a powerful demonstration of the fact that respect for the right of expression without regard to content is “foreign and incomprehensible” to some.
How is this definition used at the State Department? Is the State Department monitoring foreign or domestic organizations that support BDS? Are investigations/monitoring conducted with the support from the NSA, FBI, CIA?
““Demonize Israel” by “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”
If it ducks like a quack…
Governments are compared to the Nazis all the time, and no one considers it bigotry. There are times when the comparison is apt and illustrative. It makes no sense to ban it altogether.
I see no major difference between German Nazis view of the world and that of the Zionazis. Simply replace “Germans” with “Jews” and “Jews” with “Arabs” and Naziism/Zionism become indistinguishable. Hitler must be smiling as he turns inside his virtual grave.
…does the law matter to defense contractors or government officials, that is unless of course the standard by which it is judged benefits them.
More and more, in incremental authoritarian ways we are importing the projection of power from the war torn edges of empire back to domestic soil…from paramilitary police force, the curtailing of decent…the “test-taker” attack on public education, the chill of suspicion-less eaves dropping on a citizenry, a war on whistle-blowers, a mute and cowardly gatekeeper media, a distracted by design culture whose marching orders are found in royalty and celebrity antics, more and more things classified and secret within “our” government.
As it creeps along, we are taught to wave our flag, as all the while, it’s for our own good, of course.
Are you serious? I don’t agree with what these pro-Israel groups did, but to write an inflammatory headline calling them the “greatest threat to free speech” is ridiculous.
Yes, the Salaita incident raises some legitimate concerns, but academia is staffed top to bottom with Israel-despisers. You may think that they are right to despise Israel, but that’s not the point: the point is that they are very well represented.
As usual, you betray your irrational and bizarre fixation on Israel and how it is the nefarious actor behind all the world’s problems.
Your quoting and representations are deliberately dishonest. Do you actually have an example of a greater threat to free speech in college campuses?
You left out the word “campus.” I’m sure that was unintentional, and an oversight on your part. Right?
“Some legitimate concerns?” How accommodating of you. “Incident?” The man was hired, moved his entire world to take on the new employment, and then had his position “retracted” due to behind the scenes money changers and corrupt and cowardly administrators. And a precedent was trying to be set. All of that equals just a fucking tad more than “some legitimate concerns.”
Really? You have a mile long list “from top to bottom” of names and some quotes from staff of academia who have said or written that they “despise Israel?”
If you’re going to build straw people to knock down, and then build off of that to call someone anti-Semitic you’re going to have to just come right out and say it, because long winded rubbish like that sentence you slapped together failed to hide your intention.
It was unintentional, actually. I meant to include “campus.” Thanks for your diligence.
Salaita was a foul-mouthed prick and a lightweight intellectual. He did not deserve a tenured $85,000 tax-payer funded position in a subject to which he has made no valuable scholarly contributions.
But let’s not get into the details. Point is that nobody should feel sorry for him. He is now teaching in Lebanon where he belongs. I hope his kin there have enough free speech and incivility to make him happy to his heart’s content.
But you really think that pro-Israel groups are the greatest threat to free speech? That assumes two things: (1) Israel-Palestine is the most important issue on which to have free speech and (2) pro-Israel groups are actually impinging on that right. Even if I grant (2) in part, (1) is totally false.
At universities these days, it is practically impossible to have an honest conversation about race and gender without a million “ist” labels being played. Speakers and commencement addressers are routinely shouted down or uninvited after special-interest pressure from grievance attack groups.
As for academia being stacked with terrorist-loving zealots, that is accurate: 1000s of academics have signed pro-BDS petitions. Among politically active humanities professors, supporting Israel’s destruction is basically a sine qua non.
Look forward to your reply.
“But you really think that pro-Israel groups are the greatest threat to free speech?”
Just to belabor the obvious – that’s not a fair characterization of what Kitt said, nor of what the article said. It said that two particular people are “the greatest threat to free speech”. And you left off “on campus”. Again.
I’m starting to wonder if you do that intentionally.
I have no reply. You’ve built a case against yourself with your own words that I needn’t bother to improve upon. For example: “terrorist loving zealots ” = BDS. You’re a cartoon.
“supporting Israel’s destruction,” ah, hoe-kay.
Who does that? Which politically active humanities professors do that?
I find it interesting that “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, and denying Israel the right to exist” are both considered anti-Semitism. These two things are logically contradictory. If the Jewish people who live in Israel wanted to determine for themselves that Israel should not exist, they would be considered anti-Semitic. If the state of Israel insisted on its right to exist in the face of the people’s determination otherwise, Israel would be anti-Semitic.
By the U.S. principle of democracy, no state has a right to exist, but people have the right to establish a state if it pleases them. In fact, it is just axiomatic: a state cannot exist independent of the people whom the state serves and of which it is made up. Without people, there is no state.
At one time, Universities encouraged debate. They mistakenly believed that a diversity of ideas helped illuminate the path towards the truth. But this approach failed miserably – debate only served to entrench each person’s pre-existing views.
Progress was made when universities, instead of treating the truth as their final destination, re-defined it as their starting point. This allowed them to seek out faculty members and students willing to embrace the truth. Once everyone agreed on the truth, an enormous synergy was created – allowing the truth to be effectively marketed outside of academia. Universities exist to market ideas, and as any marketer will tell you, promoting a brand requires coherent messaging. Previously, the search for knowledge progressed in endless circles. One study would proclaim a new finding; the next would negate it. Universities were in danger of becoming irrelevant.
So banning any expression of sympathy for BDS needs to be seen in this wider context. Universities are not suppressing the idea per se; they simply understand that such discussions create confusion and acrimony, rather than consensus and good will.
Given the nature and inclinations of most university administrators (at least those I have come to know), this:
Universities are not suppressing the idea per se; they simply understand that such discussions create confusion and acrimony, rather than consensus and good will.
could absolutely be the sentiment they’d actually express; euphemistically and sophistically, of course.
You might be interested in a conference panel upon which acting regent Blum Richard C. Blum sat in 2009 that was hosted by the junk bond king Michael Milkian. According to this article, a panel named “The New University and Its Role in the Economy” was tasked with focusing on ‘how universities can best serve the corporate jones for tech-savvy employees by recruiting smart freshmen with scientific talent. One panel member urged treating universities as “laboratories of business ideas and products.’
Billion Dollar Baby; The University of California invests $53 million in two diploma mills owned by a regent.
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2010-06-22/article/35661?headline=Billion-Dollar-Baby-br-The-University-of-California-invests-53-million-in-two-diploma-mills-owned-by-a-regent
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Down boy!
Sit!
Good boy.
No doubt this proposal stinks to the high heavens. Talk about legislating something that is self-serving to Blum and Feinstein. It couldn’t be more naked, could it?
I do wonder, however, even if they pull it off, whether they can make such sanctions stick. I’ve utterly no doubt that pressure could be brought on the university’s budget ($$$) were the university to fail to comply. But, would the university have a leg to stand on against a sanctioned student’s suit? Looks like a squeeze-play.
Really too bad about your budget UC. Might want to line up your donors in advance. You can choose your poison; budget sanctions by the legislature or settlements to students. You can take your pick!
It amazes me that Feinstein and her cronies have stopped even bothering with the theater that they are elected representatives of the people who uphold certain guaranteed rights.
Re: “Anti-Semitism Relative to Israel.” Such words are expressed only so that they and those who bow to their will can repeat them and repeat them until constituents simply accept the construct as another Bad Thing that our leaders warn us about. As very few in the media will interrogate this narrative about Israel, people can readily believe that the scourge of anti-Semitism is on the rise again and that such measures are reasonable to stop it.
I have seen an increasing number of stories about this so-called rise of anti-Semitism on the news and in social media. How nicely they dovetail with this version of an Israel that is being attacked on all sides by Jew-hating monsters.
Justin Trudeau sickens me. His father Pierre was a great, if flawed, man who ranks among Canada’s finest PMs. He brought us the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is analogous to the American Bill of Rights. Justin voted for C-51, the bill which effectively creates a secret police force in Canada. It just boggles my mind that the father is our George Washington, and the son emulates Stalin. I honestly can’t think of an example of an apple falling farther from the tree.
“It just boggles my mind that the father is our George Washington, and the son emulates Stalin.”
No he isn’t and no he doesn’t. P.E.T. was not our George Washington, maybe our Kennedy but I am not sure how you even make that comparison. And Justin = Stalin? Good lord man, are there no shades of grey in your world.
I am not sure who you plan to vote for but just so you know, Mulcair is more rabidly anti-BDS than Justin Stalin. He even went after one of his own, Libby Davies, for supporting BDS.
“I am an ardent supporter of Israel in all situations and in all circumstances.” – Mr Mulcair.
Okay, the analogy is flawed, but you’re also right about another thing: when it comes to C-51, there are no shades of grey in my world. None. You’re either in favour of secret police who can covertly violate our Charter rights with impunity, or you’re not. To me, that’s a purely black and white issue.
As for Mulcair’s BDS/Israel stance, it’s deeply disappointing, but in the absence of a perfect party leader who agrees with me on everything (given your exasperation with my position, I’m sure you’ll agree I’ll never find such a thing) I’ll hold my nose and support the guy who promised to repeal C-51.
Pierre Trudeau not our Washington? Okay, fair enough. That direct equivalence wasn’t the smartest thing I’ve ever written. But JT emulating Stalin wrt secret police? I stand by it. He voted for it. And promised to change unspecified aspects of it if elected, which to me, smacks of political blackmail. The entire (federal) Liberal party is dead to me, because of that. Damn C-51, and damn all its supporters.
C-51 is certainly a divisive bill, but as a pragmatist I understand the gamble they took in supporting it. The bill was going to pass regardless, and if the Liberals don’t make inroads with Conservative voters sitting near the fence nobody else will, and we get another term of Harper. Either way, the next PM starts their first day on the job with C-51 as the law of the land. Mulcair vows to repeal it, but he also says he will replace it with something unspecified, so at the end of the day I don’t see any real difference in the parties, it was just easier for the NDP to take their position because they had nothing to lose.
I would think that these kinds of regulations (that even hint at limiting free speech/thinking) can greatly harm a school’s reputation (and a potential student’s desirability to apply/attend).
As scary as it is – I know I’d want my kids to go to schools were they were exposed to as many points of view as possible.
Glenn, now THAT is what I call fair and balanced. Thanks – just say NO to censorship and surveillance, two Feinstein/Blum core advocacies. These wealthy elites have apparently no shame when they misuse the genuine victimhood of millions to achieve their selfish political and financial objectives.
You left out the fact that this approach – equating criticism of Israel with “anti-Semitism” – actually has a name: New Anti-Semitism. You can find an article on it in Wikipedia. It’s a real policy movement intended to be a “Get Out of Jail Free” card for anything Israel decides to do.
They succeeded in Europe where criticism of Israel is, in some countries, legally tantamount to anti-Semitism. Now they want the rest of the Western countries – especially the US – to be muzzled the same way.
Zionists are perhaps the most egregious, intellectually dishonest, lying, viciously smearing, bunch of scumbags on the planet. They make neocons – with whom they overlap – look like choir boys in comparison.
And as I and everyone else in San Francisco knows, Dianne Feinstein is the most corrupt politician since Hermann Goering – although she shares that honor with Hillary Clinton…
According to the State Department, “anti-Semitism” includes those who (1) “Demonize Israel” by “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”
What heinous effrontery! The comparing of lemons to lemons, and of bananas to bananas. Dr. Goebbels would be outraged!
One thing for sure is that Feinstein has the worst hair in all of Washington.
That’s her hair? I thought she was wearing a helmet.