Back in April, just before the New York primary, Hillary Clinton’s campaign aired a commercial on upstate television stations touting her work as secretary of state forcing “China, India, some of the world’s worst polluters” to make “real change.” She promised to “stand firm with New Yorkers opposing fracking, giving communities the right to say ‘no.’”
The television spot, which was not announced and does not appear on the official campaign YouTube page with most of Clinton’s other ads, implied a history of opposition to fracking, here and abroad. But emails obtained by The Intercept from the Department of State reveal new details of behind-the-scenes efforts by Clinton and her close aides to export American-style hydraulic fracturing — the horizontal drilling technique best known as fracking — to countries all over the world.
Far from challenging fossil fuel companies, the emails obtained by The Intercept show that State Department officials worked closely with private sector oil and gas companies, pressed other agencies within the Obama administration to commit federal government resources including technical assistance for locating shale reserves, and distributed agreements with partner nations pledging to help secure investments for new fracking projects.
The documents also reveal the department’s role in bringing foreign dignitaries to a fracking site in Pennsylvania, and its plans to make Poland a “laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country,” particularly in Europe, where local governments had expressed opposition and in some cases even banned fracking.
The campaign included plans to spread the drilling technique to China, South Africa, Romania, Morocco, Bulgaria, Chile, India, Pakistan, Argentina, Indonesia, and Ukraine.
In 2014, Mother Jones reporter Mariah Blake used diplomatic cables disclosed by WikiLeaks and other records to uncover how Clinton “sold fracking to the world.” The emails obtained by The Intercept through a separate Freedom of Information Act request provide a new layer of detail.
The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment. During the April 15 Democratic debate in Brooklyn, New York, Clinton insisted there was no inconsistency between her positions:
Q: OK. Secretary Clinton, as secretary of state, you also pioneered a program to promote fracking around the world, as you described. Fracking, of course, a way of extracting natural gas. Now as a candidate for president, you say that by the time you’re done with all your rules and regulations, fracking will be restricted in many places around the country. Why have you changed your view on fracking?
CLINTON: No, well, I don’t think I’ve changed my view on what we need to do to go from where we are, where the world is heavily dependent on coal and oil, but principally coal, to where we need to be, which is clean renewable energy, and one of the bridge fuels is natural gas. And so for both economic and environmental and strategic reasons, it was American policy to try to help countries get out from under the constant use of coal, building coal plants all the time, also to get out from under, especially if they were in Europe, the pressure from Russia, which has been incredibly intense. So we did say natural gas is a bridge. We want to cross that bridge as quickly as possible, because in order to deal with climate change, we have got to move as rapidly as we can.
Industry-Backed Launch
The Global Shale Gas Initiative, Clinton’s program for promoting fracking, was announced on April 7, 2010, by David Goldwyn, the State Department’s special envoy for energy affairs, at the United States Energy Association (USEA), whose members include Chevron, ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, and Shell.
In a widely covered event in Krakow three months later, Clinton announced that “Poland will be part of the Global Shale Gas Initiative,” and the State Department would “provide technical and other assistance.”
Goldwyn, who did not respond to multiple requests for comment, spoke to National Journal last month, explaining that “[Clinton’s] instruction to me was that it was OK to talk about helping other countries get access to their own resources, as long as the focus of our engagement was how they could do it safely and efficiently, and that’s why the program had almost an entirely regulatory focus.” Goldwyn emphasized that the shale gas initiative was not designed to help the private sector and instead should be seen as “a really very modest government-to-government.”
But the emails show an aggressive effort to engage private energy companies and use Poland as part of a larger campaign to sell fracking throughout the region.
An email dated December 3, 2010, shows that the State Department had Poland firmly in its bull’s-eye and that companies such as ExxonMobil, Chevron, Marathon Oil, Canadian firm BNK Petroleum, and Italian energy company Eni expressed interest in tapping into Polish shale. One official suggested “enlisting Eni” to help organize the pro-fracking campaign in Poland, as well as bringing in U.S. companies. Earlier that year, in April, Poland’s then-Minister of Foreign Affairs Radoslaw Sikorski also took a trip to Texas to visit a fracking production site.
“I think we should be open to working with the Poles to spread knowledge and understanding of Poland’s (and Europe’s) shale gas potential,” wrote the State Department’s Chuck Ashley, who now works in the Office of the U.S. Ambassador to Israel.
“Poland,” Ashley wrote, “is a laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country, with different shales, and a different regulatory environment.” Ashley also noted that “popular and political support is strong now, but this could change when shale gas wells come to their backyards.”
In fact, that did change. As drilling rigs transformed from prospect to reality, Polish citizens attempted — as it turns out, successfully — to fend off companies interested in fracking in Poland, including Chevron. A group called Occupy Chevron formed in reaction to the potential for shale drilling in Poland and Chevron filed a lawsuit against the occupiers. Facing the backlash and low global oil prices, in January 2015, Chevron announced it would halt operations in Poland.
Public-Private Partnerships
Despite Goldwyn’s recent assertion that the fracking campaign was a modest effort, the emails show what Goldwyn referred to as a “whole of government” approach that included deploying assistance from a range of agencies. At least 13 different government agencies were part of the effort.
Take Morocco, for example. A joint program with Clinton’s Global Shale Gas Initiative and the State Department’s International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP) event for visiting Moroccans involved several U.S. government federal agencies in the proceedings. That included the EPA, National Security Council, USTDA, USGS, BLM, FERC, and the Commercial Law Development Program.
After signing the agreement, Moroccan officials visited the U.S. for a series of meetings with the National Security Council, U.S. Trade and Development Agency, Bureau of Land Management, along with meetings with the American Gas Association and America’s Natural Gas Alliance, a lobbying group for the largest American fracking companies.
The emails reveal that the NSC had a “biweekly shale gas call” in which it offered the State Department its input on Global Shale Gas Initiative priority countries.
Moving Forward
The Global Shale Gas Initiative eventually became enveloped in the broader and still-existing Bureau of Energy Resources, a special wing within the Department of State devoted to the geopolitics of energy. “You can’t talk about our economy or foreign policy without talking about energy,” Clinton said, announcing the new bureau in 2011.
The office, staffed by 85 people, focuses on a range of energy development, but with a special focus on unconventional gas development and infrastructure, such as fracking and liquefied natural gas terminals, to support the development of the international gas market.
Now called the Unconventional Gas Technical Engagement Program, the Global Shale Gas Initiative lives on under Secretary of State John Kerry (though they’ve taken down the website) but with the prospect of a commercial-scale global shale gas boom greatly reduced. Only the U.S., Canada, Argentina, and China have commercialized the controversial horizontal drilling technique.
The pause in fracking, however, might be momentary. A number of energy companies that worked closely with the State Department now employ lobbyists that are fundraising furiously for Clinton’s campaign. ExxonMobil’s top lobbyist, as well as lobbyists for liquefied natural gas terminals designed to connect the U.S. to the global gas market, are among the most prolific fundraisers.
Goldwyn, too, is still actively promoting similar policies in the private sector through his consulting company Goldwyn Global Strategies, as counsel to the energy lobbying firm Sutherland Asbill & Brennan, and through his association with the Atlantic Council, a think tank that promotes fossil fuel development.
The State Department’s shale gas initiative “was clearly driven by the promotion of Big Oil’s expansion,” Charlie Cray, senior researcher at Greenpeace USA, told The Intercept. “That it was one of State’s highest priorities undermines their credibility as leaders in the global effort to prevent the calamitous threats of climate change.”
Another slanted piece of propaganda which neglects to mention that Poland’s is a massive coal miner and burner of coal, and their refusal to go along with 2009 Eu initiatives to curb global warming. So, as usual, stupid sound bites to solve massive, complex problems is chum for the Clinton haters, who, like the Republicans, start out with the premise that she is bad, and then build their case from there. Bernie is going to save the world, except that he wouldn’t come close. Coal emissions last 10,000 years, methane 12 years. You need to stop coal ASAP, and of course Hillary lost West Virginia to the 40% Trump/60% Bernie vote because she said as much. The world is not the Trump/Bernie simple minded demagoguery. Sorry, but it’s not. And notice this article does not use the actual emails, nor does it look at the complex picture. It is typical propaganda. Hillary bad, in deep with the oil companies. Don’t fall for this. You’re better than that.
Why in the world would the Intercept be spreading propaganda? Since when is working for the American citizen and speaking to them spouting propaganda? Have you ever heard of journalism sir? I am really beginning to wonder if your ‘tude’ towards what others speak might not just be the big problem Americans need to get over before they can work together. Why do you want to be disruptive?
Crooked Clinton, as Crooked as Po$$ible!
Ms. Frack Monsanto is about to hit the bigtime. And we are about to hit the bottom.
I live in Oklahoma and the amount of fracking related earthquakes is very real here. Almost daily we are shaken awake. We now are the #1 state in the nation in earthquakes. The oil companies are all pulling out of the state because of this. In the meantime the public are having to file lawsuits or just fix their property themselves. Not many had earthquake insurance, there was no need until recently. The past few years this problem has gotten worse. Now the state is low on funds, I guess they spent all the money. They have put all their eggs in big oil’s basket. Big oil just moves on…..to the rest of the world it would seem. It’s just a very sad situation. I hope some day soon Big Oil will be stopped. This planet can’t take more spills, pollution and so on, and so on….Wake Up!!
Then begs the question of when Bill Clinton was in Poland or Nigeria or any other Nation that the Clinton Foundation or it’s slush fund Clinton Global Initiative “consulted” or actively engaged in arranging meetings with Investors and Government Officials. The Clinton’s are conspicuous in their Wealth accumulation in Countries where the “Foundation” did the negotiating prior to approval from State.
Read “Clinton”s Cash” and trust the multitude of source material, the Clinton’s are beneath contempt in their desire for self enrichment at the expense of their Trust.
This racketeering case has been thrown out of court before. “Clinton Foundation hit with racketeering lawsuit.” It may be that the IG findings in her email will be useful in strengthening the case.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-foundation-hit-with-racketeering-lawsuit/article/2565069
It is now 8 weeks to the convention. My hope is that between the IG report on the email violations and this, her poll numbers will go down enough to wake up the super delegates and others.
HRC is a person we can not trust. Period. If it benefits her rise to power she will concede. We are not a monarchy, but if elected, we will in effect, have one with Bill returning for a repeat performance. Fracking is bad the earth. There is no dispute about it. Avarice always seems to come first. HRC is leading the parade of thieves.
Is there anything that this woman does that is not underhanded and duplicitous?
I’ll need to consider this question very seriously. It might take a while………….. do you mind waiting?
Right. After careful consideration of all of the available facts, I have to agree. There is nothing she does that is not underhanded and duplicitous. Apart from feeding her 3 dogs.
I can easily agree. (It did not take me any time, though, to consider the question.)
Plus: I did not know she had dogs to feed.
I did not know they were dogs. …..
[“Poland,” Ashley wrote, “is a laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country, with different shales, and a different regulatory environment.” Ashley also noted that “popular and political support is strong now, but this could change when shale gas wells come to their backyards.”]
Let’s make it Israel’s backyard in Tel Frackin’ Aviv. We could make the first laboratory test on Hillary’s head….yea…make it a chevron…then the Nutman along with the rest of the frackin’ lunatics there. Lots o’ gas I heard.
I have to plead guilty to adhering to a double standard when it comes to fracking. I tend to think it may be a pretty good “bridge” for some countries to move away from their dependence on foreign oil and start seriously creating more clean energy resources. In the case of the U.S., I am opposed to more fracking due to knowing that we CAN use our resources to institute clean energy modalities. We have the $$, we need to have the will.
Most of Europe is away ahead of the US in terms of clean energy. The US recently blocked a huge sale of solar panels to India because it would harm US energy companies. Mostly it has being the US the retarded nation on climate change. If US decides to abandon fracking and invest in clean energy, it would be way more effective to combate climate change, since many other nations would be able to benefit from an expanding (and now almost no existent) green energy industry. Yes, you have the money, but your politicians don’t have the will to do it.
That’s a reasonable position.
If Hillary Clinton would just come out and say THAT, she’d save herself a lot of misery. Instead, she makes a mess of everything by talking like she’s the second coming of John Muir.
Except fracking cannot be done without a substantial loss of methane to the atmosphere. Methane is a much stronger heat accumulator than CO2 and the methane loss in this country has offset all of the gains in CO2 reduction we have made in the last 10 years. An MIT study forced the EPA to recalculate our alleged progress in carbon pollution and add in the methane numbers. Oops. It is not a viable bridge because it does more damage than even coal. The problem appears to be that we don’t have the technology to seal the wells and no way to measure accurately how much methane is escaping. The seals are permeable to gas, and methane is a gas. Satellite studies show that the sources of methane map pretty truly to the areas where fracking is happening. Of course, that pipe fracture in California that spewed gas for months also didn’t help. But the public has yet to learn the dangers of methane, and how much worse a greenhouse gas it is than anything else we’ve been taught.
This is certainly no surprise coming from a candidate whose slogans, based on her actions, should be: ‘Because It’s My Turn’ and ‘I’m Not Trump!’
Thanks you Lee Fang and Steve Horn for this great piece; Clinton’s ties to interntional fracking have been rarely mentioned in the MSM, let’s hope this article has an impact. If you use social media platforms, I encourage all to post the link so help this important piece of investigative journalism get the wide readership and audience it deserves.
A great story – and a good collaboration between Fang and Horn.
Hope to see more reporting like this.
What stations did this ad run on? Other than this blog post can anyone confirm it ran?
Whats the problem with promoting natural gas again? It’s replacing coal use in the united states, reducing carbon dioxide emissions and air pollutants in the process.
Unless you can get a list from the agency that bought the time, or from the Clinton campaign, or run an extensive poll of Upstate viewers who saw it on local stations, that will be a difficult question to answer. You could try, of course. $hillary’s campaign HQ can be reached (well, maybe) at 646-854-1432.
Of course.
Hillary for America anti-fracking ad +
0:30 ad run in Upstate New York from mid-April 2016.
Hillary Clinton’s secret anti-fracking ad
Except it isn’t. If this isn’t enough to get you started on a path to understanding reality, get back to me. Like Jimmy Durante, I’ve got a million of ’em.
Fracking impact on CO2 cuts in US emissions ‘a myth’
Face it – Hillary, the queen of chaos, has been promoting policies that support climate chaos.
Natural gas is a problem because burning any fossil fuels is a problem – we are past the tipping point. We need to cut back on all fossil fuel usage as fast as possible. Methane is a potent greenhouse gas and methane leakage has been shown to make natural gas as bad as coal in contributing to climate change. The entire “bridge fuel” argument was a lie — it was a bridge to nowhere – a myth by gas companies. The “bridge metaphor” indicated we were building something, and that “something” was supposed to be sustainable energy. However, the natural gas boom built none of this needed sustainable infrastructure. It was just a scam to allow further extraction of fossil fuels. Fracking propaganda is generated by the same shills that used to work for tobacco companies. This is about exporting natural gas for profits — and the kickbacks of profits to politicians like the Clintons. Fracking is one of the dirtiest ways to mine fossil fuels, and a major contributor to ground water pollution. Hillary has been a major promoter of this insane policy. Hillary is leading us to a climate death spiral.
Ms. Orlando:
Don’t expect us to educate you. There is plenty of accurate information all over the Internet about the dangers of fracming as a method to extract gas. It is INCREASING both air and water pollution in the country. Go see “Gasland”, a documentary about facking.
This is not an ad, nor is it a blog post. The Intercept is an investigative media outlet, and its editors are highly respected in the field of journalism. The authors of this particular piece are also well-known for their excellent investigative journalism – Lee Fang, in particular, and his work is often cited in other media outlets. It also seems you might want to do a little research regarding “natural gas” – it has been heavily researched and its extraction poses serious environmental problems, not the least of which is methane release; its promotion as “clean” is heavily tied to the fossil fuel industry and their usual profit-driven propaganda. If Mass Independent’s suggestion below of viewing Gasland is not your cup of tea, you might want to read the Union of Concerned Scientist’s overview of “natural gas” http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/our-energy-choices/coal-and-other-fossil-fuels/environmental-impacts-of-natural-gas.html#.V0XAN2N-XFI
The question isn’t the pros and cons on various fossil fuels and technology. Point is, why did someone who has been running for president 24-7 snce at least 2001 tell voters, loudly, repeatedly, that she had a specific view on the issues while she was, in fact working with the industry and completely at odds with her claimed stand.
Best possible interpretation is that she doesn’t understand the industry or environmental issues.
Jesus. Under Hillary, the State Dept. aggressively promoted a Global Shale Gas Initiative. And now Hillary says she’anti-fracking and pro-stopping climate change-without acknowledging this.
Every word that comes out of Hillary Clinton’s mouth is a lie.
Thank you, Fang. No idea who to vote for in Nov.– but certainly not lying Hillary.
I mention this because Clinton’s baggage has been mentioned in the comments, beyond fracking. This is the most important thing I have read about the security/email issue…and the most damning and possibly effective regarding this Clinton email scandal.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/05/intel-vets-urge-fast-report-on-clintons-emails
This was written by Intelligence and Military officers who have served in extremely top secret and official capacities. They certainly know what they are speaking about. I hope this gets passed on all over the Web. Maybe if Obama realizes thousands of people have seen it he will FINALLY do something!
tom Hayden lol
Tom, once a genuine hero, sold out, long ago, for a seat at the table and a tenured position with a generous pension. It’s hard to excuse his support for the $hillarycon — nah, it’s simply inexcusable.
And when it comes to issues like fracking, he’s like most old-school social activists: he doesn’t have the slightest idea of the geophysics or the economic reality of the mater.
Even worse, in this case, he doesn’t even know what positions the candidates actually hold or what they’ve been doing behind the scenes.
Tom Hayden, what an embarrassment to Progressives. I may not be accurate, but for some reason more young progressives become conservatives later in life, and more old military and government people become more progressive. Interesting.
Fine article about Clinton, but please do a little more research on the technology. Horizontal drilling is not fracking. Fracking is not new technology. The new technology is finding a way to frack a horizontal bore. This was done with “sliding sleeves”. Google it if you are interested.
Praise be. Finally, real journalism instead of this slobbering love fest and tingles which have run up the legs of the media for the last 8 years. Hildebeast is a liar and crook. End of story.
Great reporting, I wasn’t aware of the extent of her support for fracking globally.
And, this line by Clinton is lifted right out of the fossil fuel PR handbook: “. . . . and one of the bridge fuels is natural gas.”
That’s just a stalling tactic – the fact is, renewable technology has advance to the point where national economies can run entirely on wind, solar and storage without relying on fossil fuels at all – they just have to roll out what already exists. Germany is doing this, Portugal just ran its national electrical grid for four days on renewables alone, and this is all supported by the global leaders in renewable energy manufacturing – i.e. China, because fossil fuel interests in the U.S. and Britain have done all they can to sabotage the rise of this industry, even though it would be huge for domestic manufacturing jobs.
This story is not surprising, though – when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, she dragged her heels on the Keystone tar sands pipeline decision, even though she knew that approval was opposed by the entire Democratic populist base, because her Wall Street financiers had huge investments in the Canadian tar sands (probably the dirtiest fossil fuel source of all, even more than coal, as massive amounts of natural gas are needed to melt and process the tar sands into a filthy sulfur-laden syncrude, which, when refined, creates even more solid, liquid and gaseous waste).
She also was a huge backer of the trans-Afghanistan pipeline project, intended to bring ‘stranded’ oil and gas in Central Asia to global markets – she called it the “new Silk Road” and had her State Department people plugging it everywhere they went. This was merely picking up where Condoleeza Rice left off (recall, Rice had a Chevron oil tanker named after her, and Chevron and Exxon were major players in the Central Asian oil game.) This agenda actually dates all the way back to the Clinton presidency – many people have forgotten how the Clinton State Department was engaging with the Taliban in 1999, trying to form a ‘relationship’ which involved giving them over $100 million (supposedly to fight opium production) as part of the Chevron-Unocal effort to open that pipeline; all these efforts basically failed as the Taliban remained uncooperative:
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB97/
“A December 1997 Department of State cable summarizing a meeting between Taliban officials in the US as part of a Unocal delegation and Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia Karl Inderfurth . . .”
Anyone who believes that Hillary Clinton will change course on this is out of their minds. What it really comes down to is that her Wall Street backers have huge investments in fossil fuels that will be wiped off their books if a rapid global transition to renewable energy takes place; her entire political career is based on their support, and there’s no way she’ll ever bite the hand that’s fed her for decades.
Crooked Hillary. Crooked Cankles Wipe The Server Hillary. She is the one who lit the middle east on fire with her Arab Spring. She is a crooked liar. She leaked state secrets to the Russians and Chinese with her invalid-certificate email server. Wipe that with a cloth. And she tried to destroy evidence. She made lethal decisions as secretary of state. Her only “qualification” is she was philandering Bill’s husband. Jerry Zeifman on Hillary working on Watergate: “Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.” I SPIT On Hillary. HILLARY FOR PRISON 2016, TRUMP 2016, 2020, IVANKA 2024. James Comey, put this CRIMINAL Crooked Hillary in PRISON NOW.
Crooked Chappaqua Carpetbagger
Remember when Hillary dodged enemy bullets as she ran from her helicopter to her photo op? Remember when Hillary assured the Egyptians that the Muslim Brotherhood would bring Egypt freedom and democracy? Remember when, after her foundation received millions of dollars in contributions from Russia, Hillary approved the sale of rights to a big chunk of America’s uranium to Russia? Remember when Hillary excused Assad’s murder of the Syrian people, calling Assad “a reformer”? Remember how Hillary completely forgot the women’s rights of Monica Lewinsky, and Bill’s other victims? Remember that Hillary has received millions of dollars for speeches to Wall Street banks, who she claims that she will “fight”, that she won’t disclose? Remember that Hillary’s foundation has received millions of dollars in contributions from Saudi Arabia, which then escaped criticism by the US Government for its abuse of women?
Cankles, seriously? It is possible to oppose the actions of a female politician without resorting to insulting her appearance. You demean all women when you do this.
When one wants to criticize or disagree with someone in a public forum, it behooves them to write in a respectful manner, so people who read the piece don’t assume the writer is a nut job without a leg to stand on.
Zero earthquakes prior to fracking in Texas, 100s of earthquakes in a few years since fracking in Texas. Yeah, that is probably “no biggie.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/09/us/texas-earthquakes-fracking-studies/
That’s not true at all. Texas has had earthquakes long before fracking, and long before oil drilling in the state back in the 19th century.
Earthquakes in Texas are of very low magnitude compared to other parts of the US. Our earthquakes are generally of a 2 or 3 magnitude, with a very occasional in the low 4s.
Oklahoma has more earthquakes, some up to a 5 than Texas because it has more faults than Texas does. Oklahoma is also much closer to the New Madrid Fault.
Texas, like the US East Coast and the mid section of the US are far from the tectonic plate boundaries and generally quite for earthquakes. The US West Coast is essentially on some tectonic plate boundaries and has very active earthquake zones and faults. Fracking does not cause earthquakes.
That’s a good one. How many gas leases are you holding …
Fracking itself does not cause the earthquake; it’s the associated waste injection well that does.
Ask the people living in Azle, TX about the fracking and earthquakes. Ask about the structural damage to their homes. Here’s a link to a Dallas paper that would do almost anything rather report a negative story about the oil and gas extraction that made some “leaders” of the area very, very wealthy:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20150421-azle-earthquakes-likely-caused-by-oil-and-gas-operations-study-says.ece
And here’s a link telling about the nightmare homeowners have to go through when their life has been affected by fracking in Texas:
http://ecowatch.com/2013/11/07/fracking-victim-sued-defamation-prove-water-flammable/
Let’s talk about fracking in the Dallas/Fort Worth area of Texas Yankee
http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/methane-sleuths-monitor-seeping-gases-from-oil-and-gas-drilling-8239023
Zero earthquakes in Texas prior to fracking? Not by a long shot, pal.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/texas/history.php
The oilfield is one place where politics is useless in science.
Efficacy is all that matters.
Hillary could promote it until she fell over dead (nice thought) and it wouldn’t matter if the process didn’t work. Fracturing IS heavily regulated, although perhaps regulatory agencies outside Texas are too ignorant to know how to do so. I forgot….so many government employees are Democrat that graft is a given.
Most certainly it is clear what side of the political spectrum most journalists are on. Politicians, attorneys and journalists are. by–and-large, dumb as dirt about science.
“so many government employees are Democrat that graft is a given.”
Mom! Grandpa’s on the Internet again!
Attempts at comedy are always indicative of having no argument
Ask the good people of Pennsylvania, how well those “regulations” on Fracking are working for their communities and families. @BerksGasTruth #FERC @Frackno
Good for her and rightfully so! Fracking has its own issues, needs to be heavily regulated, and done safely, but it’s a whole lot better for the earth and our environment than what it’s replacing: coal.
We can’t become afraid of doing what’s right for fear of what a bunch of angry but ignorant ideologues are going to say. Natural gas emissions are 1/3 those of coal, someone with environmental concerns that takes a “no fracking, ever” stance is cutting off thier nose to spite thier face.
Natural gas is a transition fuel that’s so much better for the planet than coal it isn’t even funny. Fracking happens to be the best way to get a large percentage of it out of the ground. All she’s talking about was how to help these countries not only get off coal and slow the emissions of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere, but to help these countries gain some independence from the energy producing nations they’re relying on.
There’s room for the nuances of every topic to be discussed. Don’t be a know it all ideologue that has a hardcore opinion about something after nothing but first glance.
Yeah, because man-made earthquakes are no big deal.
“Fracking happens to be the best way to get a large percentage of it out of the ground.”
You speak of nuance, but apparently that requirement is reserved for your opponents. As usual, the issue here is the human cost of an extraction industry. Any comment on that?
It’s a false narrative, as with nuclear energy, all based on the same line: “It’s better than coal!”
Solar and wind technology, when coupled with storage and distribution, can meet all energy needs, period. However, it’s just not as lucrative for Wall Street.
See, if you own natural gas fields, then every new natural gas plant built secures a 20-year future market for your natural gas – but if you build a solar PV array that provides just as much electricity, well, that’s a one-time sale, and no 20-year market, as nobody controls sunlight – you can’t pull an Enron and tighten up the sunlight supply to boost prices, as you can with natural gas, so Wall Street will earn far less money on renewables than on fossil fuels – that’s unavoidable.
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Now we know why Hillary won’t release her 20 minute speech transcripts before the big corporate boards. They are likely filled with these kinds of deceptions, self serving lies and promises.
She is such a crook!
Evidently, she was for fracking before she was against it. Gee, where have I heard that before?
Hillary is pulled to the left by Bernie and to the right by Trump. Donald admits he has changed his mind on some things after he studied them, and he had modified positions when he discovered he was wrong. Hillary is never wrong. She wants to put coal miners and owners out of business. Problem is that most of the green energy companies Obama invested in are either behind on technology that is a loser, or invested in cronies who paid themselves well, broke the companies the filed bankruptcy.
Crony investment costing us hundreds of millions of dollars. They need to invest in the backyard inventors who make useful things, then sell of patents to big business which burns the inventions.
Do we want cheap energy? Ask the Government to declassify Tesla’s inventions that were deemed to powerful and to cheap and would put energy companies out of business. Invest in the Keystone pipeline and keep the supply of Canadian and Dakota flowing safely, rather than rail road tankers.
Lean energy, the dream of it, is wonderful. But it will take time, and our immediate concern is energy independence right now. Energy companies aren’t stupid. They know oil is a limited supply commodity. They would invest in fossil free energy is there were no government restrictions of their R&D.
Hillarys speech fees list the wealthiest 1% in the country, and they paid her nearly $250 million for speeches. The broke Clintons are a disgrace. I just wish Blacks and Hispanics would wake up and see how they are kept in low paying jobs because of her free trade and her immigration stance. If they understood the truth they would boo her as well.
She is dishonest, she is vile, she belongs in a prison, where each of us would be if we had committed even one of her crimes.
I don’t care for Trump particularly, but I sure don’t want Hillary.
Kudos to Hillary for her work in helping to liberate Europe from Russian gas! The people of Europe should not have to live under threat that Putin is going to shut their heat off. By encouraging them to embrace this technology, she improves their lot economically as well – even as, indirectly, she created a way to make natural gas somewhat cheaper in the U.S. through the competitive production, without taking any risk, however remote, of poisoning our ground water.
Yeah, fracking and gas production can have some issues, and as we sort through them, it’s easy to say NIMBY. But this isn’t our backyard, this is Poland! A Poland that is willing to take some chances to stay forever free of the Warsaw Bloc.
Very nice answer! Of course we want to help Poland defend against those evil Russians bears. And everyone knows that India and China are in Poland.
This comment reeks of paid work by the Hillary camp. The government confirmed that fracking has several hidden dangers among which are earthquakes. Radon gas leaks are especially dangerous as well as water pollution and loss of water by the fracking process- billions of gallons of drinkable water that is removed from the water cycle. Oh! And let’s not forget the chemical exposure from fracking. Instead of buying into fracking, Poland would do well to invest in clean and renewable energy much like the rest of Europe has done.
Alas, I have no idea how to make money off my postings. I call things as I see them, and that rarely pays. Your concerns are largely absurd. Yes, radon gas can come up through fractured rock, but in the Reading Prong at least it doesn’t seem to have much problem finding the surface on its own. In areas without so much uranium it shouldn’t be much of an issue. As for “water removed from the water cycle”, bear in mind that the water cycle includes the oceans – the oceans that are rising every year! It is a lot of water and it is nothing compared to the sea. It’s a use of fresh water, sure, but new fresh water falls every day. Now pollution and chemicals do worry me, and I’d like to see mandated disclosure of all the fracking chemicals and whatever sensible regulation that might suggest. But — burning more gas means less mercury and even radioactive material from coal falling on us, not to mention just plain asthma-inducing particulates. So I prefer my odds.
Nate has a point about India and China; yet it is still to our net benefit if they have more natural gas, I think.
Exactly!
Hillary Clinton will do and/or say anything to get elected. Her (and her husband’s) fatal flaw in this election cycle was thinking that – just in every previous electoral race they’ve been in – their character and their history of borderline illegal/unethical opportunism would somehow be magically off limits and no one would raise a single question about any of it. They’ve become so brazen with this attitude that they practically showcase the corrupt activities of that sham foundation of theirs, almost daring anybody to say a word about it. These two honestly believe that laws don’t apply to them and that the can do and get away with just about anything the want to. It has to stop. It’s going to stop.
Aren’t the people who are critical of Clinton also SUPPORTERS of fracking?
This is exactly why I can’t stand her. I support fracking but she is a corrupt liar. Taking money from Exxon Mobil and then doing their bidding while trying to dupe Democrat voters back home. This is how Washington works and we need to get corrupt politicians like HRC out of power.
Aren’t the people who are critical of fracking also SUPPORTERS of Clinton?
Really? Did you actually ask that? Fail – go directly to Debate 101 class.
Relevance?
Is that intended as satire?
I don’t know, Lee. Please tell us.
Clinton must have been quite conflicted as she spoke to the coal mining communities. The reality of finding alternative employment for the sheer numbers of Miners who have been idled are quite daunting – which is one of the better reasons for re-educating workers BEFORE they are put out of work. Regardless, Coal Bed Methane (CBM) extraction, using Fracking techniques, will be the path forward in utilizing the energy in these regions. The unfortunate part of this evolution, however, will be the fact that far fewer people will be employed. Don’t you wish politicians could be more direct and honest with the folks. The folks don’t understand these things and honesty would definitely create “a teaching moment” as the Liberals like to say…
FYI- the website was archived before being taken down. You can see the original on the Internet Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131031135732/http://www.state.gov/s/ciea/ugtep/index.htm
Hillary wants to be president so that she can attempt to out-corrupt Obama , who is by far the most corrupt president in US history. He is very proud of that accomplishment.
Democrat voters are so gullible, but as an added character trait; they are as ignorant as jon gruber describes. Just look at the candidates they provide: a dried up old socialist; and bernie sanders. What a bunch.
Do mean to tell me that Mrs. William J. Clinton is an outright, bald-faced liar, willing to say anything to anyone at anytime in a relentless pursuit of power?
Yeah, that’s what I thought. She is TOAST.
Figures Hillary would vilify the coal industry and actually say out loud that her wish is to “put them out of business” only to support fracking – an exponentially worse form of energy source than coal could ever imagine to be. And of course, then to lie about her support of it & her benefiting personally from it. I detest her simply for her dishonesty, her lack of character, her lack of integrity and her constant benefiting from other’s misery. How can people support such a person?
At what point, I wonder, will the investigating stop and the bringing of charges begin?
Hint: Never. (No matter how much proof is uncovered.) It’s HILLARY CLINTON!
That’s great, but how is it any different from the rest of her convictions? According to NYT, eight years ago she was as running as a pro-gun, pro-school choice, religious country gal against gay marriage. Fracking is just one more on a long list.
Don’t worry president Trump is going to fix everything.
Good mug selection above for Hillary. The eyes and the liver spots are just what was needed, along with the sparkling lips.
Peter Schweizer’s well regarded Clinton Ca$h gives you boys a helluva head start in matching donations- for pay to play- to the Clinton Foundations, the Clinton Campaign, and surrogates/friends like Terry McAuliffe (under FBI Investigation). Lets go guys get on it, its all right there for you – dirty as a bird that flew all the way from Arkansas to DC to NYC and back again.
This corrupt, unethical, utterly despicable Lying Rotten Criminal clinton will “push” anything, which will put a dollar in her pocket.
The ISIS Supreme Leader is also “Mistress of Fracking!!”.
The Obliterator has no qualms destroying whatever in sight. This qualifies people like that for the highest position on the land.
Look, if this doesn’t make her cool, what does?!
If people are fed GM food without their consent, it is only normal to find the Obliterator quite attractive candidate to vote for.
http://www.infowars.com/msnbc-panel-trump-could-cite-clintons-association-with-elite-pedophile/
Thanks much, Lee Fang.
You all are the best.
And much needed.
Chevron announced it would halt operations in Poland.
swell. i dont know which will come first, destruction of the planet or the human species.
Lovely stuff Lee. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks so much for this. Little Miss Fracker (Hillary) has been a busy little bee.
Crooked Hillary
Make America
Straight Again?
Great column, Lee. Thank you.
I recall that debate question whereas when asked whether she would ban fracking. Hillary refused to say she would. Noticing the concern with the young female questioner, she went on to say she would leave it up to the states with other points.Then said she would have tougher regulations so most so companies more than likely would not pursue it. When Bernie was asked if he would allow fracking he said one word. NO. Hillary is obligated to those industry who have bought an interest in her and her Foundation, if she becomes President they will want a return on their investment. Similar to why Monsanto has invested in Hillary while she successfully advocated for foreign countries to take GMOs and just last year was telling them how they should project a positive and beneficial marketing strategy to promote GMOs and use the public’s naivete to persuade us. She also stated that she was in favor of relaxing regulations (and taxes to my recollection) for the biotechnology and pharmaceutical corporations. Can you imagine what she said to Goldman Sachs?
What difference at this point does it make?
Hillary and sidekick Bill are simply greedy, entitled .01% trash.
When the going gets tough, Mrs. Stainmaker turns to Hum a Weiner for a good fracking.
This rat Clinton and her criminal family and friends and Obama and all his friends will do ANYTHING to keep their cloward piven alinksy ayers america last policies kill the middle class and the USA entirely. These people should be in prison.
Her cover story is that we need to leave coal and bridge gas to get to renewable energy?
Okay, so why did she tell the people in West Virginia a couple weeks ago she said coal miners would go out of business “unless we take action to help and prevent it.”
Typical Hillary, waffles in the wind, fakes her accent, fakes her positions, just a fake.
@hargen
No, she said we needed to leave coal, and to use natural gas as the “bridge fuel” to fill the gap until renewable technologies are developed.
I imagine that Hillary Clinton “pushed” the agenda for any donor who gave her cash.
When will democrats feel any shame? I won’t hold my breath.
Clinton is enough of a sociopath to give back to back contradictory answers to the same question and pass a polygraph while doing so… if that’s what it takes to get elected.
Even if she took 50 polygraph tests and flunked them all, she would still deny it all. She is the queen of denial. And her consort the Democratic Party is also good at denial, too. The Republican Party admits to everything and the Democratic Party denies everything, and in between the politicians hope we aren’t noticing what they are actually doing.
Slavery ended not because Humanity suddenly evolved a conscience, to the contrary, slavery ended because it became cheaper to employ a person on Starvation wages. Go back a few hundred years, you would have to purchase a slave at relatively high costs, you would need to house it, feed it, pay to maintain its health, not at all cheap. Nowadays, you can get away with paying someone starvation wages, where the exploiteds well being is left for them to figure out, and as long as they do their work you won’t throw them out and employ someone else.
“It” really? “It”!
You might like my book. Time for a rewrite since it’s 20 yeas old, but have a look. It says what you said and a lot more:
https://www.amazon.com/Profit-Charles-Jackson-ebook/dp/B005V5KNAG?ie=UTF8&keywords=Profit%20Charles%20Jackson&qid=1464099222&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
We are far from being “Free”.
Clinton: “…So we did say natural gas is a bridge.”
“You mean the bridge to nowhere” like no inhabitable planet, or the bridge that brings together the destruction of the earth’s air and water.
People with college degrees whose fathers fought for this country and whose ancestors labored to hopefully make it into a better place for future generations just stand by and let politicians rant on like lunatics after they are caught being in collusion with mankind’s most amoral psychopaths.
This is a very informative article it is so sad that the general public is not yet capable of comprehending its profound implications.
Ok buttercup better give up all your petroleum toys like your kayak you paddle out in to protest the latest oil rig being towed out to sea or your iPhone or the IV that saves your life. Fossil fuels make for a cleaner safer world for humans and all living creatures. They put fewer demands on nature and help us reclaim nature for nature.
Oh please, where did you get this info from the Heritage Foundation?
Or did you get it from a more highly dependable source like one of the fact free right wing talk radio hosts spewing out propaganda sound bites, which would have made Joseph Goebbels drool enough to fill Lake Tahoe?
Making the earth entirely uninhabitable is an unlikely scenario. What is extremely likely, or perhaps certain, is that our fossil fuel burning is the ethical equivalent of nuking the poorest cities in the world. Only, the effects are delayed past our lifetime, so we don’t feel empathy. Celebrities’ jets might as well run on the blood of virgins.
to hell in a handbasket. They deny global warming, the criminal wallstreet valuation fraud, the musical chair currency scheme, the genocide of the palestinians by the israelis… Surely they are not so stupid as believe their own supply. Which means, somewhere on this planet, they are busy making a city for themselves far and away from the hell they are creating for the rest of us. They have an escape plan.
Natural gas may have been a bridging fuel 20 years ago, now it is needed to supply nitrogen to plants. If we intend to use gas as a vehicle fuel or for generation of electricity then by 2060 we will only have enough nitrogen to produce food for 6 billion people. It rapidly drops thereafter, unless of course we can find a bridging nitrogen source.
Its time we started relearning rotation cropping with legumes again.
Hillary, che bruta?
The only reason Clinton is for fracking as Sec State is because she sees herself as the capo of her Borgata (look it up) and there is big money to be made selling technology. They made a boatload selling technology to the Chinese in the 90’s.
So what are these magical energy sources that are clean? Do you support more nuclear & hydroelectric dams? They are the lowest CO2 emitting reliable energy sources (I say lowest because it is impossible to build any of them without fossil fuels)
Very well written and well documented article on how Clinton has influenced the controversial fracking market.
#HillaryClinton living up queen of #mendacity & #selfaggrandizement and you’re #clueless voting for this #witch
Why would anyone, progressive or not, vote for a professional liar like Hillary Clinton unless you are really so dumb? And there are many millions that are dumb.
Each person in life seeks to attain his or her level of incompetency, and then wishes to stay there.
Hold it! Some commenter at Raw Story assured me that HRC was both a “liberal” and an “environmentalist” – – – say this isn’t so?!
Great article, Mr. F!
Just assume she is the embodiment of pure evil, and you’ll be pretty close to the truth.
One overlooked benefit from fracking is a virtual elimination of mercury released to the atmosphere due to coal-fired plants being replaced by gas.
They lied about tobacco, they lied about WMD, they lied about Kennedy, they lied about we don’t need Glass–Steagall, now they are lying about their emission ratings, and we should believe they will take care of our water? Let’s ask Flint, Michigan.
This alleged benefit is offset when fracking releases all kinds of chemicals, heavy metals, etc., into underground water that later becomes drinking water and water for agricultural crops. Also, mercury can be reduced or eliminated from coal emissions through more stringent regulations on coal emissions.
Mercury could be scrubbed better from coal stacks but it’s not because of the cost. Coal ash is loaded with heavy metals (Cr, Mn, Pb, Zn, Cu, Ni, Co) and the world produces 100s of millions of tons of the stuff every year. (best sources are behind JSTOR or Elservier, bastards)
Coal is filthy and should only be used when there is no viable substitute. Metallurgical grade coal is such a thing but steam coal sucks.
Fracking is cleaner than coal on a global scale. Yes, there are areas that should not be fracked and better regulation of what gets injected as ‘waste’ is needed but, the technology will allow us to separate from the House of Saud.
Another option is for Americans to stop using twice the energy per capita as Europe …
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In Romania the government turned against the people who were protesting against fracking, against chevron coming in and taking any piece of land they wanted, near peoples homes.
In Romania the government brought police and military forces to disperse peaceful protesters all because the Clinton mafia helped bribing all the key officials, they bought 90% of the media and they kept quiet about the poisoned water and the earthquakes.
The ex president of the country, Traian Basescu was one of the biggest betrayers of Romania when it comes to energy deals with energy companies close to the Clitons. Also, he made everything he could to give away an important gold deposit to a canadian registered company, Gabriel Resources but owned by John Paulson, Beny Steinmetz and Thomas Kaplan.
That is why the entire planet is hoping that Bernie Sanders will win. Because Hillary Clinton will only bring more wars, more countries robbed through lobby/bribes, more innocents killed so the people who already own most of the planets wealth will own even more.
If you ask me, the next step is slavery. There is nothing else left.
PS. and yes, trump is a better solution in the end than clinton. He is crazy but until all the Clintons’ mafia will negotiate their demands with him it will take some time. Better a crazy person than the establishment so #bernieorbust all the way.
Yes, Clinton’s State Dept. did this. And we all know she used that State Department for neo-liberal purposes, to open up foreign markets to US corporations. But this Global Shales Initiative was much bigger than the State Department. And I think Obama bears the brunt of the blame.
BREAKING NEWS: Progressives are hypocrites.
Wesley “We Start Wars for Oil” Clark works for shale oil company, BNK Petroleum, specializing in Poland and other markets.
Al Gore’s family became wealthy off Occidental Petroleum.
Jerry Brown’s millions came from oil investments.
The list is the same down the line. Even darling Bernie Sanders, whom has explicitly endorsed enhanced geothermal (EGS) is a hypocrite, as EGS requires… fracking (gasp!).
Even The Intercept, which recently did a robust exposé on Google’s infiltration of the Obama Administration, didn’t mention Eric Schmidt’s funding of anti-fracking groups in CO and CA while also being invested in AltaRock- an enhanced geothermal (EGS) company.
“BREAKING NEWS: Progressives are hypocrites.”
Real news: The world is full of clueless right-wingers who can’t tell a “progressive” from a jelly doughnut — and are proud to demonstrate their ignorance at every opportunity.
Repeat after me: “There’s nothing progressive about $hillary Clinton. There’s nothing progressive about $hillary Clinton. There’s nothing progressive . . .”
Those are her own words, Doug. Take it up with her.
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35489572
We all know Hillary is a chameleon. She progresses as needed.
Bernie Sanders claims he’s more progressive because of things like not associating with Wall Street, meanwhile he never mentions Sand Hill Road.
Less time concerned about the proper buzzword for the jelly doughnut. More time concerned about what’s in it or who served it and why.
Meanwhile- back to the topic of fracking.
“meanwhile he never mentions Sand Hill Road”
LOL doing a Google & Yahoo search for “sand hill road bernie sanders” LITERALLY the only result that matched them was….”Infamy on Twitter” referring us back to Infamy’s website.
So, you must be “the” Infamy. Honor to meet you, I guess. No, I didn’t go look at your website to find out the obviously-very-well-hidden-truth.
/hat tip
Great catch, Doug. That made me chuckle.
Lame attempt to bob and weave your way out of your original confusion.
I don’t buy $hillary proudly and erroneously calling herself a progressive anymore than I buy your doing so disparagingly and erroneously.
And you may be shocked to learn that I think Bernie is a phony, a sellout and a warmongering liberal interventionist — in thin disguise that has fooled a vast number of earnest progressives, including, I believe, a majority of the regulars here, just as was the case with Barack Obama. I have the scars to prove it. ;^(
Now, back to fracking tight formations: The practice has done and enormous amount of environmental damage already and will likely do quite a bit more before it slips into history. However, it will slip into history much sooner than either proponents or opponents generally believe, because it was never really economic and will become more financially disastrous as time passes.
I don’t have time to explain it all here, but I have guidance:
Shale Bubble
No Fracking Way!
Deborah Rogers: Economics of Fracking (full talk)
“Lame attempt to bob and weave…”
“I don’t have time to explain it all here, but I have guidance:”
*proceeds to list links to his favorite anti-fracking NGOs*
Bobbing and weaving, huh?
Post-Carbon Institute is hardly a source to cite based on the irrefutable information we presented in comments above. If you fail to know or research why, then we’re simply flying a couple atmospheres above your guidance.
“Post-Carbon Institute is hardly a source to cite based on the irrefutable information we presented in comments above.”
You aren’t even marginally tethered to the reality that arises from the laws of thermodynamics. When you show some indication of activity other than riding your little political hobbyhorse, I’ll consider paying further attention.
Meanwhile, you could learn a lot by following the links and understanding the material covered. And, if you think you have an understanding of our energy reality that is, somehow, superior to that of PCI, you are a deeply-deluded human (but, you have a lot of company, if that helps). ;^(
Don’t tell the right wingers, tell the liberal press. They identify Hillary and her Democrat establishment party as progressive.
Stop voting for these clowns.
No more Bushs or Clintons.
They never learn.
… and they can’t tell a “Democratic Socialist” from a kumquat– and proudly trot out their ignorance hoping to snag some poor other ignoramus who will think it is as brilliant as they do.
Repeat after me: “Bernie Sanders is not a communist, nor has he ever been one, nor was he Lenin’s brother, or Trotsky’s son, and Bernie did not erect the USSR or China. Demoratic Socialist =/= (does not equal) Communist.
DS = “a country’s economy and society in general run according to principles of a democracy and should meet the needs of the public.” Democratic Socialists like Sanders take issue with the notion that a society would overly benefit or reap profits for a small few.
You can’t really compare fracking with EGS. While cracking the earth open in both methods can be dangerous and can cause seismic activity for EGS you use water and receive and emit water vapor. For natural gas you put undisclosed chemicals in the ground and receive natural gas, which you burn. Natural gas is finite and you move on to the next facking site. EGS you frack once, you stay and you have an infinite source of energy and emit water vapor. Island already has 25% of their energy from EGS.
True. Except for the use of the adjective “infinite,” of course.
In fairness, she was working for a corporatist warmonger.
In reality, she is a corporatist warmonger.
The former secretary is a big believer of “Do as I say, not as I do.”