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On Monday, a hacking group calling itself the “ShadowBrokers” announced an auction for what it claimed were “cyber weapons” made by the NSA. Based on never-before-published documents provided by the whistleblower Edward Snowden, The Intercept can confirm that the arsenal contains authentic NSA software, part of a powerful constellation of tools used to covertly infect computers worldwide.
The provenance of the code has been a matter of heated debate this week among cybersecurity experts, and while it remains unclear how the software leaked, one thing is now beyond speculation: The malware is covered with the NSA’s virtual fingerprints and clearly originates from the agency.
The evidence that ties the ShadowBrokers dump to the NSA comes in an agency manual for implanting malware, classified top secret, provided by Snowden, and not previously available to the public. The draft manual instructs NSA operators to track their use of one malware program using a specific 16-character string, “ace02468bdf13579.” That exact same string appears throughout the ShadowBrokers leak in code associated with the same program, SECONDDATE.
SECONDDATE plays a specialized role inside a complex global system built by the U.S. government to infect and monitor what one document estimated to be millions of computers around the world. Its release by ShadowBrokers, alongside dozens of other malicious tools, marks the first time any full copies of the NSA’s offensive software have been available to the public, providing a glimpse at how an elaborate system outlined in the Snowden documents looks when deployed in the real world, as well as concrete evidence that NSA hackers don’t always have the last word when it comes to computer exploitation.
But malicious software of this sophistication doesn’t just pose a threat to foreign governments, Johns Hopkins University cryptographer Matthew Green told The Intercept:
The danger of these exploits is that they can be used to target anyone who is using a vulnerable router. This is the equivalent of leaving lockpicking tools lying around a high school cafeteria. It’s worse, in fact, because many of these exploits are not available through any other means, so they’re just now coming to the attention of the firewall and router manufacturers that need to fix them, as well as the customers that are vulnerable.
So the risk is twofold: first, that the person or persons who stole this information might have used them against us. If this is indeed Russia, then one assumes that they probably have their own exploits, but there’s no need to give them any more. And now that the exploits have been released, we run the risk that ordinary criminals will use them against corporate targets.
The NSA did not respond to questions concerning ShadowBrokers, the Snowden documents, or its malware.
The offensive tools released by ShadowBrokers are organized under a litany of code names such as POLARSNEEZE and ELIGIBLE BOMBSHELL, and their exact purpose is still being assessed. But we do know more about one of the weapons: SECONDDATE.
SECONDDATE is a tool designed to intercept web requests and redirect browsers on target computers to an NSA web server. That server, in turn, is designed to infect them with malware. SECONDDATE’s existence was first reported by The Intercept in 2014, as part of a look at a global computer exploitation effort code-named TURBINE. The malware server, known as FOXACID, has also been described in previously released Snowden documents.
Other documents released by The Intercept today not only tie SECONDDATE to the ShadowBrokers leak but also provide new detail on how it fits into the NSA’s broader surveillance and infection network. They also show how SECONDDATE has been used, including to spy on Pakistan and a computer system in Lebanon.
The top-secret manual that authenticates the SECONDDATE found in the wild as the same one used within the NSA is a 31-page document titled “FOXACID SOP for Operational Management” and marked as a draft. It dates to no earlier than 2010. A section within the manual describes administrative tools for tracking how victims are funneled into FOXACID, including a set of tags used to catalogue servers. When such a tag is created in relation to a SECONDDATE-related infection, the document says, a certain distinctive identifier must be used:
The same SECONDDATE MSGID string appears in 14 different files throughout the ShadowBrokers leak, including in a file titled SecondDate-3021.exe. Viewed through a code-editing program (screenshot below), the NSA’s secret number can be found hiding in plain sight:
All told, throughout many of the folders contained in the ShadowBrokers’ package (screenshot below), there are 47 files with SECONDDATE-related names, including different versions of the raw code required to execute a SECONDDATE attack, instructions for how to use it, and other related files.
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After viewing the code, Green told The Intercept the MSGID string’s occurrence in both an NSA training document and this week’s leak is “unlikely to be a coincidence.” Computer security researcher Matt Suiche, founder of UAE-based cybersecurity startup Comae Technologies, who has been particularly vocal in his analysis of the ShadowBrokers this week, told The Intercept “there is no way” the MSGID string’s appearance in both places is a coincidence.
This overview jibes with previously unpublished classified files provided by Snowden that illustrate how SECONDDATE is a component of BADDECISION, a broader NSA infiltration tool. SECONDDATE helps the NSA pull off a “man in the middle” attack against users on a wireless network, tricking them into thinking they’re talking to a safe website when in reality they’ve been sent a malicious payload from an NSA server.
According to one December 2010 PowerPoint presentation titled “Introduction to BADDECISION,” that tool is also designed to send users of a wireless network, sometimes referred to as an 802.11 network, to FOXACID malware servers. Or, as the presentation puts it, BADDECISION is an “802.11 CNE [computer network exploitation] tool that uses a true man-in-the-middle attack and a frame injection technique to redirect a target client to a FOXACID server.” As another top-secret slide puts it, the attack homes in on “the greatest vulnerability to your computer: your web browser.”
One slide points out that the attack works on users with an encrypted wireless connection to the internet.
That trick, it seems, often involves BADDECISION and SECONDDATE, with the latter described as a “component” for the former. A series of diagrams in the “Introduction to BADDECISION” presentation show how an NSA operator “uses SECONDDATE to inject a redirection payload at [a] Target Client,” invisibly hijacking a user’s web browser as the user attempts to visit a benign website (in the example given, it’s CNN.com). Executed correctly, the file explains, a “Target Client continues normal webpage browsing, completely unaware,” lands on a malware-filled NSA server, and becomes infected with as much of that malware as possible — or as the presentation puts it, the user will be left “WHACKED!” In the other top-secret presentations, it’s put plainly: “How do we redirect the target to the FOXACID server without being noticed”? Simple: “Use NIGHTSTAND or BADDECISION.”
The sheer number of interlocking tools available to crack a computer is dizzying. In the FOXACID manual, government hackers are told an NSA hacker ought to be familiar with using SECONDDATE along with similar man-in-the-middle wi-fi attacks code-named MAGIC SQUIRREL and MAGICBEAN. A top-secret presentation on FOXACID lists further ways to redirect targets to the malware server system.
To position themselves within range of a vulnerable wireless network, NSA operators can use a mobile antenna system running software code-named BLINDDATE, depicted in the field in what appears to be Kabul. The software can even be attached to a drone. BLINDDATE in turn can run BADDECISION, which allows for a SECONDDATE attack:
Elsewhere in these files, there are at least two documented cases of SECONDDATE being used to successfully infect computers overseas: An April 2013 presentation boasts of successful attacks against computer systems in both Pakistan and Lebanon. In the first, NSA hackers used SECONDDATE to breach “targets in Pakistan’s National Telecommunications Corporation’s (NTC) VIP Division,” which contained documents pertaining to “the backbone of Pakistan’s Green Line communications network” used by “civilian and military leadership.”
In the latter, the NSA used SECONDDATE to pull off a man-in-the-middle attack in Lebanon “for the first time ever,” infecting a Lebanese ISP to extract “100+ MB of Hizballah Unit 1800 data,” a special subset of the terrorist group dedicated to aiding Palestinian militants.
SECONDDATE is just one method that the NSA uses to get its target’s browser pointed at a FOXACID server. Other methods include sending spam that attempts to exploit bugs in popular web-based email providers or entices targets to click on malicious links that lead to a FOXACID server. One document, a newsletter for the NSA’s Special Source Operations division, describes how NSA software other than SECONDDATE was used to repeatedly direct targets in Pakistan to FOXACID malware web servers, eventually infecting the targets’ computers.
Snowden, who worked for NSA contractors Dell and Booz Allen Hamilton, has offered some context and a relatively mundane possible explanation for the leak: that the NSA headquarters was not hacked, but rather one of the computers the agency uses to plan and execute attacks was compromised. In a series of tweets, he pointed out that the NSA often lurks on systems that are supposed to be controlled by others, and it’s possible someone at the agency took control of a server and failed to clean up after themselves. A regime, hacker group, or intelligence agency could have seized the files and the opportunity to embarrass the agency.
6) What's new? NSA malware staging servers getting hacked by a rival is not new. A rival publicly demonstrating they have done so is.
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) August 16, 2016
Documents published with this story:
Couldn’t they have found someone else to write this story besides Sam “Bring Back Bullying” Biddle?
Diversity of opinion in the new ‘representative community’ is already blooming.
But there are few oddities about it. One of them is that despite the representative community’s ardent support for the US’ torture habit it finds discussion of the topic rather dull, and it is frantically looking for ways to abolish all but committee approved references to the subject.
Odd, but not surprising, as this peculiar character trait is ubiquitously American.
You are mentally ill Targeted Individual who, along with hordes of your fellow TIs, has been banned for swamping comments with crazy talk such as this from you:
One of your friends posted many things like this before she was banned:
You refuse to accept being banned and insist on crapflooding this space with your paranoid delusions, and have helped to destroy comments here. And vow you will continue in spite of the writers’ wishes that you not.
Maybe The Intercept should drop the “The” from it’s name so people searching for Targeted Individuals would not be dropped off here by mistake.
Wait a minute lets make sure searching for “I” doesn’t lead to a worse problem first.
@Mona,
Perhaps the posting problem people are having may be due to server location or new server setup? I hadn’t notice this earlier, but my latest post was time stamped at 6:22am on 8/25. But the actual local CA time was 11:22pm 8/24.
Seems to indicate a server in the timezone shared by Iceland. I posted another comment on Mackie’s Burkini story just 20 minutes later and received normal local CA time stamp for 11:39pm 8/24.
Wow…that’s funny. Now the time stamp on this post has been changed to local PST time. I guess they realized the issue and set the server clock to PST.
@Ole Juul
Search the thread for comments from Photosymbiosis.
He always has some good comments worth reading.
As for the rest of it, there are 3users who can’t resist using the comment threads for their personal war regarding Targeted Individuals. The users Observer & Stan incessantly draw user Mona into their useless and tiring debate.
My apologies for my part in the mess. I’ve usually stayed out of their BS.
That wholly mischaracterizes the state of affairs.
1. I commenced participating here on the 19th with a comment about how the Snowden documents are handled by Greenwald. Stan, and his “?????” account immediately began spewing venom at me and about Glenn. He does this all the time, and the only way to let readers know why he so detest me and Glenn is to fill them in on what is really pissing Stan off. (That Glenn bans him and hordes of his fellow TIs and has made it clear he doesn’t want them taking over comments.)
2. I DO NOT WANT THEM HERE. To argue with or otherwise. But they will not accept their banning. They destroy threads. Ricardo is also one of them posting tons of garbage in this thread, and in the past there have been hordes until Glenn purged them. They. Ruin. Threads.
3. New readers should know what Stan’s problem is when assessing his critiques of me, Glenn and the site. Just because I inform readers of what his agenda is does not mean I seek — much less fucking enjoy — arguing with him.
4. After much trying of banning, deleting and other things to control these TIs, as well as the vicious bigots who have been swamping the place, I think comments should be abolished here. Glenn lacks the time to do the minimal but necessary moderating that keeps the place from becoming a cesspool of ugly and inane dreck.
The Stans, Victoria Boulevards and other sick and/or trollish assholes can and will ruin a comment discussion in the absence of affirmative prevention measures, which have been mostly lacking here.
So, comments should die.
Understand you frustration. I share it.
Never said you ‘enjoyed’ it. And if I did, my mistake. But you are always engaging them.
I seldom engage Ricardo, and only when he specifically addresses or mentions me. He doesn’t typically go off on bitter rants about the writers and the site driven by anger that they don’t take his paranoia seriously. That ranting about the writers is bullshit and I keep wanting to let other readers know what drives it.
Scanning the comments I didn’t manage to see any discussion of penetration nor security software. What is gong on here? Are these commenters paid to troll this site?
The publishers need to clean this up.
The newly proposed censorship scheme being proposed below will be interesting to see and poke fun at, though the ‘representative community’ it is intended to support will be rather dull and sycophantic. All things considered, the idea and inspirational envisionment behind it is absolutely hilarious.
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/19/the-nsa-was-hacked-snowden-documents-confirm/?comments=1#comment-271753
In all likelihood this is what will happen. You’ve made it impossible for Glenn to spend only a reasonable amount of time tending to moderation issues, and you aren’t the only polluter. Sites all over are running into the same problem and many are just killing comments.
I think that’s probably what this site should also do and have said so.
A core of Glenn’s regular commenters are probably starting our own site to discuss the topics here and other maters of interest to us. We can moderate it ourselves and have intelligent discussion, not the sewer this place has devolved into.
You, Stan, are simply part of the destructive element that has long been ruining comments sections all over the web and caused them to close, one after the other.
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 24 2016, 11:23 p.m.
“In attacking me, they’ve stooped to renting out nurses to assault me in a colonoscopy lab.”
Thank you again for mentioning the incident which occurred on May 9, 2009, unembellished by references to “anal probes” or “secret government microwaves”.
But dammit, you again forgot to post the link to my Zersetzung perp playlist.
Why are you evading my question? You are going to keep seeing it unless and until you deal with it, and do so seriously.
-Mona- Aug. 24 2016, 11:28 p.m.
In reference to the inquiry “Rather than making new accounts and continually returning with the same behavior why can’t you respect the writers’ wishes?”, my answer is this: The ‘making new accounts’ accusation has often been grossly and deceitfully exaggerated consistent with the inquirers habit, but more importantly, I will not respect the wishes of people protecting the identities of NSA employees and/or contractors providing data services to criminals engaged in extra-judicial Zersetzung torture for payment. These writers, whoever they are, must earn respect prior to being respected.
I sincerely hope this statement is repeated with frequency: “I will not respect the wishes of people protecting the identities of NSA employees and/or contractors providing data services to criminals engaged in extra-judicial Zersetzung torture for payment.”
The inquiry is closed.
I’ve forwarded your reply to Glenn and requested that the site prioritize instituting a means of keeping mentally ill people, severe bigots and various other crapflooders out of here.
Many of his regulars have simply either stopped posting, or do so very infrequently. You and your fellow Targeted Individuals are part of the reason why — tho by no means the only reason. This site will either allow such dreck to take over comments, or not.
Are you proud of your destruction? The only reason I do not hold you really culpable is because you are clearly mentally ill. But this site has a responsibility not to let your destruction continue. My trying to keep up with your spewing to alert other readers that you are not representative of the community here is no longer tenable.
I hope something is done, and done soon. But if not, congratulations.
Stan
Repeatedly I have asked you this in sum and substance, and did so again not far below. You have never, that I recall, addressed my inquiry:
Galactus-36215 -> -Mona- Aug. 24 2016, 10:11 p.m.
“You forgot about the Nurse/Colonoscopy attack. I think you should make room for that.
I did make room for your integrity deficit issue. You did not find my specific claims of being subjected to “anal probes”, and “secret government microwaves” because there are none, and you still will not admit it.
You were also caught lying to RCL about something else, RE: Stan uses your term… “Yellow Journos”, and you won’t own that one either.
Anyway, moving on from the personal integrity issues and and back to your poor perception – reality alignment problem, I again ask: Are you comfortable with the frequency in which you have been compelled to realign your propaganda shaped perceptions during the last fifteen years?
You are a psychotic person who said something extremely similar to what Galactus recalled. He was not far off. This is you:
As one who identifies as a Targeted Individual, you share their deluded paranoia. It’s most unfortunate and very sad.
Ricardo Camilo López – Aug. 24 2016, 7:15 p.m.
“Glenn went berserk when they merely stopped Miranda in the UK for 8 hours. I don’t want to see him under Zersetzung for just a week.”
I would like like to see that, but imagine his former business associate and like-minded friend under Zersetzung for just a week. The horror…
You strongly appear to be psychotic — and I mean that sincerely and not as some cheap insult. Among the myriad and bizarre things you have claimed is that you suffer from “Zersetzung Torture, American Style” as “evidenced” by these:
This is standard deluded and paranoid ranting from a Targeted Individual such as you insist yourself to be.
You urgently need professional mental health help.
Thank you for re-posting the Zersetzung activities I had briefly described in that short list.
Please do me another favor and save me some time: re-post this you tube playlist containing a sample of other Zersetzung activities as often as you can say ‘mentally ill’.
I omitted an end-quote in that embedded URL.
Please re-post the link to this you tube playlist containing a sample of other Zersetzung activities as often as you can.
You forgot about the Nurse/Colonoscopy attack. I think you should make room for that.
I think George W. Bush is one of these targeted individual commentators posting here. He sure looks like someone slipped him a MicroRNA micky.
I don’t even know what he is talking about I don’t recall ever using “’Yellow’ Journalism” but, even though mentally compulsive me keeps a mental map of all posters at TheIntercept, I have temporarily stopped paying attention to “Galactus-36215″ since he seems to be on a mission.
The term I have used is “ethical journal[ism, ists]” very obviously in a sarcastic way but it is Gleen’s/TheIntercept’s coinage (in the context I have used it questioning them)
Actually, I avoid Mona and yet, I find her amusing. I never go ad hominem (I find it hopelessly stupid and arrogant). There is a crucial difference between, say, discussing a book (as emotional as you may get about its content) and offensively turning the discussion into a personal argument (at that point you have stopped discussing “the book”). I hope you have noticed that when I make my points, even if I may get emotional, I always keep it “by the book”
I do think she has certain blind spots when it comes to particular topics (“targeted individuals”) but as she finally clarified herself: her idol share those beliefs with her and, obviously, based on how she talks about it, she/they don’t seem to have had any such experiences (which makes some sense) …
It would be very easy for both of them, Glenn and Mona, to check on their own if what targeted individuals say about modern-day COINTELPRO, MK-Ultra and Zersetzug made in U.S.A. is true or not. All they need to do is make public the names of those agents behind those crimes against humanity they have been reporting about, but of course they won’t because they are “ethical journalists” …
Glenn went berserk when they merely stopped Miranda in the UK for 8 hours. I don’t want to see him under Zersetzung for just a week. And no Glenn, no one is dwelling in a separate physical and moral reality.
About considering “our” comments BS. As I have said many times, when it comes to human affairs, there is not “BS an sich”. We are all b#llsh!tt3rs anyway. It is just a matter of how you choose to checkpoint b#llsh!t. Some of us have no option but being of the “targeted individuals” kind, some other consider themselves to be “ethical journos” and there are those who say “we are a nation of laws” …
// __ Dear Mr. President: Free Bradley Manning!
youtube.com/watch?v=ViWtnjRw9bM&t=55
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As il Duce said the other day: “I will miss you” (at least for a while) You may miss my rants full of typos. Most times I type in a frenzy trying to snatch fleeting ideas and feelings and at some point (when you habituate coding) you kind of expect compilers to pick syntactic errors for you. Sorry!
As a (hopefully temporary) goodbye I would like to share with you the tune that has been “accompanying me” (Mona, please! ;-)) lately (I grew up among exceptionally good and creative musicians, almost in a conservatory). I found the first (a bit slow, yet exhilarating and beautiful in a humanly earthly way) version the other day, the second one is how I remember it:
// __ O Sanctissima [Grupo Vocal Discantus – Dir. Alfredo Teixeira]
youtube.com/watch?v=ZGRulvtLvvg
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// __ O Sanctissima – Catholic Hymns, Songs of Praise
youtube.com/watch?v=XqSjIQBtuVY
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see you,
RCL
Ricardo, you simply have no credibility. You stated that you do, indeed, agree with all four of these:
You are one of these Targeted Individuals and many or most of them are clearly psychotic.
Maybe the “hacker group, or intelligence agency” that seized the opportunity to embarrass the NSA was Snowden himself.
Galactus-36215 -> Ricardo Camilo López Aug. 24 2016, 5:12 p.m.
In the US, the[y] use propaganda, not the police.
Your perceptions poorly align with reality.
Are you comfortable with the frequency in which you have been compelled to realign your propaganda shaped perceptions in the past fifteen years?
“Your perceptions poorly align with reality”
Really? Whose the one claiming anal probes from nurses and secret government microwaves being beamed into their heads?
I’m not sure you know what ‘reality’ is at this point….lol.
Indeed, who is claiming “anal probes” from nurses and secret government “microwaves being beamed into their heads”?
After you find the right answer to that specific question, try to handle this one as too:
Are you comfortable with the frequency in which you have been compelled to realign your propaganda shaped perceptions during the last fifteen years?
I asked you earlier, but maybe it was too discomforting to answer. Only you would know.
Go stalk Mona. You seem to like her.
Good luck visiting college or high school campuses. There’s lots of backpacks and headphones there for you to be scared of. You probably should avoid the subways too. cheers
Ok… your integrity deficit issue has surfaced again as I assumed it would… you can’t find my specific claims of being subjected to “anal probes”, and “secret government microwaves” and will not admit it.
Last time: Are you comfortable with the frequency in which you have been compelled to realign your propaganda shaped perceptions during the last fifteen years?
You are a deeply ill, self-identified Targeted Individualwho has, among a litany of other bizarre laments, claimed this:
ouch. That’s gotta smart…..
Show some integrity if you have any. Don’t lie or attribute some other person’s comments to me.
Go find my specific claims of being subjected to “anal probes”, and “secret government microwaves”.
Galactus-36215 -> Ricardo Camilo López Aug. 24 2016, 3:39 p.m.
RE: Stan uses your term… “Yellow Journos”
“Yellow Journalism” is a term that has been in use for much longer than any of us have been alive. It is not RCL’s. It is a label used to describe a certain type of non-adversarial, unethical journalistic standard as exhibited by the Hearst papers during preparations for the US’ war against Spain, The New York Times during preparations for the Iraq Invasion, and First Look for its efforts to protect identities of NSA employees and/or contractors providing data services to criminals involved in the stalking, harassment, and extra-judicial torture of people branded ‘targets’.
“Yellow” carries certain connotations in various contexts. Cowards, informants, and state/corporate sock pupppets are fairly characterised as “yellow”. The 2008 bank bailouts proved US capitalism is based on fraud. “Yellow Socialism” is slang for your country’s upside-down welfare system.
By the way, I couldn’t find any post of RCL’s in this thread containing the word “yellow”. If he has used the term “yellow journalism” to characterize some of TI’s articles in other threads he needn’t be concerned about your sensitivity.
Yellow Journalism
You seem so defensive. I wonder why.
You used the term “JOURNOS” which is a term used quite frequently at RCL blog at:
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/08/23/theintercept_20160819_the-nsa-was-hacked-snowden-documents-confirm/
I also find it amusing that you show up a few minutes after I have been conversing with RCL.
Your timing is impeccable. You are to be congratulated.
Let me try again.
Occam’s Razor (lex parsimoniae: law/principle of parsimony)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
when it comes police and politicians?
OK, anyone can use anything to give themselves a pat in their back and feel good about themselves, but I think you haven’t even understood the very meaning of Occam’s Razor.
While referring to the Milgram Experiments you said:
I think, hope you meant, you would not spoused abuse against people just because (at times very shadowy) authority figures are supposedly behind it.
Those experiments and Anthropologies have been repeated and confirmed to exhaustion
// __ ABC Milgram re make
youtube.com/watch?v=AwOeCF27PzM
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// __ Milgram Experiment (Derren Brown)
youtube.com/watch?v=y6GxIuljT3w
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https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=CANIFOoDAA%253D%253D&q=milgram+experiment
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At times I think it must be staged since they have been repeated so many times and as you say, even taught about in some schools.
Recycling your line of thinking:
I would add that we are just pretentious apes who for some reason like to think of ourselves as above animals, as “having a Queen”, as being “patriotic”, as being “morally grounded”, “white”, “black”, … “American”, “French” …
I am amazed that USG and their allies have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII and not a single journalist, newspaper mainstream or not, “ethical” or not questions “freedom loving”
They do, somewhat minimally, question corruption and total disregard of democratic principles such as TPP and of the 99%, but they always make sure to “ethically” divest all the information of any compromising data, it is all about rhetorics and philosophizing
RCL
“pretentious apes”
Totally agree.
“8x the genocidal ratio”
Totally agree.
“They do, somewhat minimally, question corruption and total disregard of democratic principles such as TPP and of the 99%, but they always make sure to “ethically” divest all the information of any compromising data”
If you’re referring to the apparent lack of the common person to see the devil in front of them..(ie..the mysterious hidden authoritative person (milgram’s experiment) and simply doing what their told.
I’m not sure I agree.
People in the US follow the the Leaders of the Republican party and Democratic Party because they have been fooled into the illusion of choice when it comes to running the country. This is not a function of Migram-style behavior I think. Our election process is a scam ,a hoax, a deception played upon the American People (the 99%).
The 1% control the media & the politicians. They use the media as propaganda. This is not the fault or behavior of the pubic, but of the 1%. The 99% don’t question it as the evidence and facts are never presented to them in the first place. They are bombarded with propaganda of other “news” stories aimed at only to support the two-party system and their policies.
Since TPP is inherently one-sided in the favor of the 1%, it will almost never be discussed in the new cycle and attempts to keep the 99% ignorant are assured if they are never told anything about it.
As for Occam’s razor, it simply states when you boil it down is that the simplest answer with fewer assumptions is more likely to be the correct answer.
Is it more likely that the government hires gangs of individuals to harass and electronically monitor a small group of people (~10,000 in the US) spending large sums of monies and government resources in an effort that has no objective or whose objective is so small that it couldn’t affect anything economically, politically or socially, OR
Is it more likely that there is a small group of people that suffer from paranoia or some other form of mental illness for which the causes can only be determined with proper medical care?
That’s my position on Targeted Individuals.
But this is not to say that government’s use police and other agencies to beat the sh*t out of people for their political beliefs. I agree that this is a problem in many countries. In the US, the use propaganda, not the police. And I find it hard to believe that they would use the tactics described by the Targeted Individuals as the user STAN describes.
But thanks. I do enjoy conversing with you. I simply don’t believe in the Targeted Individual as it pertains to STAN’s perceptions.
Now it is getting all too confusing.
“Stan = Observer = RCL” is supposed to be the paranoid ones, right?
RCL
@RCL …lol….no, not really. It was Mona who drew the comparison of Observer to Stan, yet Stan uses your term…..”Yellow Journos”……just noting an unusual behavior as I see it. And the three of you live to draw her into your “Targeted Individuals” argument.
I see it as being more Troll-Like than anything else. The 3 of you incessantly try to take over threads with this BS. And you use Mona, whom you know cannot resist the argument as your lure.
Personally, it’s a big waste of time. But then again, that is the goal of a Troll, is it not?
‘Kratoklastes’ recently suggested to Mona the fields of psychiatry and psychology are as disreputable as phrenology. Though a layman, I have always agreed people who work in these fields are not scientists. Nevertheless, The Intercept has a full-time, in-house expert in both disciplines who is always on call to provide instant diagnoses and medical advice to patients, free of charge.
Here is a dose of Mona’s Snake Oil, published here between Aug. 19, 2016 and Aug. 23, 2016.
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 23 2016, 10:20 p.m.
“This s deeply unstable, delusional talk. You need medical help.”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 23 2016, 10:33 p.m.
“You need professional help.”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 23 2016, 8:53 p.m.
“You desperately need to seek mental health assistance.”
-Mona- -> Ricardo Camilo López Aug. 23 2016, 3:33 p.m.
“Anyone still reading should know that you are — and I say this in all sincerity, no snark intended — probably mentally ill.”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 22 2016, 11:15 p.m.
“You self-identify as a Targeted Individual, a cohort that includes many mentally ill, paranoid people. Some of whom are dangerous.”
-Mona- -> Observer Aug. 23 2016, 2:36 a.m.
“It is your own mind torturing you.”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 23 2016, 2:38 a.m.
“You are extremely ill.”
-Mona- -> Observer Aug. 23 2016, 2:50 a.m.
“Gavin Long was likely mentally ill.”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 20 2016, 3:47 p.m.
“Stan is almost certainly mentally ill…”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 20 2016, 3:59 p.m.
“You are ill. Please, get some help.”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 20 2016, 5:11 p.m.
“you are regarded as deeply mentally ill, possibly dangerously so”
-Mona- ? Stan Aug. 20 2016, 7:17 p.m.
“You are deeply psychotic and desperately need mental health attention. ”
-Mona- -> stalked562 Aug. 20 2016, 11:52 p.m.
“You are another of those suffering from this paranoid psychosis. ”
-Mona- -> Stan Aug. 21 2016, 8:49 p.m.
“I wish very much that you would get professional help.”
-Mona- -> Observer Aug. 22 2016, 3:47 a.m.
“Stan, you and all others afflicted with beliefs that they are TIs truly might benefit from professional mental health assistance.”
This one is precious: Mona- -> Kratoklastes Aug. 21 2016, 4:36 p.m.
“That is deeply offensive. I am the mother of an adult son who is developmentally disabled and who all his life has been taunted as a a ‘retard.'”
She offers the following advice: “Please stop it.”
Yes, Stan, and I mean all of that quite sincerely. As I’ve said several times I regret that when you and other Targeted Individuals first showed up here I made terrible fun of you all. I didn’t realize mentally ill people were congregating at all these TI web sites and hadn’t read much about the phenomenon yet.
It’s now obvious many or most of your suffer from dreadful psychosis which inflicts terrible suffering on you. You truly think you are being stalked, remotely tortured and all the rest of the hideous things you think you experience. I can’t imagine living like that but know it has to be utterly hellish.
But Stan, you and many of the others have repeatedly been banned here because this is a political site and they simply cannot have all of you taking over comments with these deluded posts. You need a great deal of help, but it can’t happen here. This isn’t the place for it.
If nothing else you should respect that several writers have made clear they don’t want you in their comments. Rather than making new accounts and continually returning with the same behavior why can’t you respect the writers’ wishes?
Please, please go away unless and until you get help.
Mona, notice how Stan’s comment has absolutely nothing to do with his Targeted Individual’s argument at this point. He’s simply baiting you.
Stop taking the bait. He’s a troll.
No, he’s not. He lacks the intent of the troll. Stan is not looking for an argument. Stan is mentally ill and ardently believes this site’s writers should be investigating and exposing all these fantastical machinations he believes the government and its myriad minions are inflicting on him. When this does not happen, and when the absurdity of his claims is pointed out, he becomes sincerely outraged.
In any event, this thread is very old and entirely stale. It’s very unlikely anyone who isn’t interested in the Targeted Individual illness is still reading.
‘Microwave weapons and remote influence of the human central nervous system are the crown jewels of the intelligence community’
https://vrijewereld.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/marshall-thomas-monarch-2-victims_.pdf
These videos are a very small sampling of Zersetzung activities in the USA.
Stan, you posted that a nurse was hired by these people to “torture” you during a colonoscopy. This s deeply unstable, delusional talk. You need medical help.
Mona, nothing about your behavior or this site’s handling of TIs mirrors the actions of a professional investigative news agency. The professional and true behavior of journalists who revile government abuses would be to investigate the claims of these individuals. Investigating them would mean contacting them, interviewing them, looking at their evidence & verify it or dismiss it. If similar complaints come from numerous people that typically adds to the legitimacy of the complaints. Since its inception targets have sought out help from the Intercept assuming that Grernwald would help. Then and now he remains mum while allowing you to be his proxy. The complaints of targets mirror the tactics mentioned in JTRIG documents. The Intercept has published the names of FIVE targets when previous indications are that there are as many as hundreds of thousands. Your constant and offensive protestations only serve to highlight how odd your adamant denials are for an alleged news organization. People are not that stupid Mona, and the more you aggressively push your ‘TIs are crazy’ agenda, the more people wonder why you are so determined to promote this idea. As the Bard said, ‘Thou protests too much.’
Glenn has no proxies, including me. But I will say that I’ve discussed Targeted Individuals with him rather extensively and he is not going to give you what you want from him. It’s not going to happen.
Anything other than that would be for him to say for himself. You could however, conclude what you will from both the fact that he and I are friends and former law partners and usually agree on important matters, as well as that he has several times banned multiple of you Targeted Individuals.
Finally, please see my above post to Stan, posted at 9:14.
Respectfully, Asymmetrical response is something Americans still do not grasp at any pay grade, including Mona’s.
Millions in bank deposits — proceeds for redacted NSA docs vended through his book — yet only FIVE wealthy targets gained legal standing, one of them a pampered member of the W Bush administration.
Like other American war criminals and Goldman Sachs fraudsters, the guilty continue enjoying impunity while working diligently on their golf handicaps.
Any attentive non-sociopaths may reasonably infer Greenwald is a journalist in the old yellow tradition, no different than any employed by Salon or The Guardian.
Specifically, several weeks ago you claimed:
Many deeply ill Targeted Individuals have been banned here — including you — for swamping comments with this kind of deluded nonsense. You need professional help.
-Mona- -> Ricardo Camilo López Aug. 23 2016, 7:43 p.m.
I could be wrong, but I believe RCL cited the Wikipedia page (in which references to US Zersetzung programs are censored) for those not yet familiar with the DDR Zersetzung program’s purposes and methods. Then Mona uses this compromised (yellow) organization’s article to point out it contains absolutely no references to contemporary US Zersetzung programs. She also insists US politicians put an end, once and for all, to the past MKUltra program. This may or may not be true, as any reasoning person would be a fool to take an American politician’s assertions at face value. (Admittedly, America houses its fair share of fools.)
She seems to be demanding people take for granted the US “intelligence community” stopped engaging in nefarious activities resembling anything like MKUltra and COINTELPRO in the mid nineteen seventies, simply because she says so.
If I didn’t doubt her integrity I’d say she is rather gullible.
The next thing you know she’ll trot out the New York Times. She is known to do such things.
You are a deeply ill so-called Targeted Individual who has been repeatedly banned here and had his comments deleted; you post under multiple accounts. MKUltra was ended in 1973 and there is no evidence that it continued past that year. No CIA whistleblower has indicated otherwise in all these decades — there is not a hint of it still existing.
But even if that were not the case, you independently lack a scintilla of evidence for your bizarre and paranoid ranting about being “gangstalked.” The “evidence” you provide shows just ordinary people in parking lots, on sidewalks & etc.
You desperately need to seek mental health assistance.
Mona, you are not only, reading my mind, but somehow doing people the collective favor to read theirs and you keep citing as reference that “rational wiki” thing you made up yourself with like-minded “sane” individuals, instead of using as reference what other “crazy” people have researched and the BBC has documented:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
// __ Mind Control 1979 Project MKUltra documentary CIA LSD experiments movie film
youtube.com/watch?v=MQDNDCoCtoQ
~
Whatever I had to complain about Glenn Greenwald/theIntercept I have been very explicit and open about, I wonder why you say that I am angry because your idol doesn’t talk about target individuals, but well it seems you should write up a chapter about rationality in your “rational wiki”.
One of my favorite sayings is a African/Yoruba one: “there is nothing worthier than a day after the another”
RCL
This is false. You’ve been corrected by myself and others on this score before. The Rational Wiki article on Targeted Individuals is heavily sourced, and nothing therein is “made up.”
The Wikipedia entry you cite on Zersetzung wholly concerns the East German Stasi, not the delusional machinations Targeted Individuals rant about and for which there is no evidence. Moreover, the Rational Wiki article I co-wrote includes a reference to MKUltra, under the section titled “Kernel of Reality Feeding Them”:
MKUltra is a past program. It was ended in 1973, and primarily involved experiments with LSD in the 1950s and 1960s. The United States Senate held hearings on MKUltra in 1977. As Sen Ted Kennedy stated:
None of that has anything whatsoever to do with the paranoid delusions of Targeted Individuals, for which there is no evidence. But a great deal of speculative crazy talk claimed to be evidence.
Were you about to call me “Ricky Ricardo”? ;-) Keeping a sense of humor no matter what is healthy. I am not an angry person and I don’t easily get upset.
Now, I will proceed to answer your questions (which you haven’t when I have asked you very basic questions).
Yes, many people carry backpacks and use earphones, cell phones, wear shoes … Yet, it is true that stalkers, police and their snitches frame messages with connotations relate to:
a) omnipresence in all venues
b) being many (against one/you)
c) well coordinated
They do that in the attempted to make you believe that they own you anyway (so you better submit to them), that they “can read”, know what you are thinking about, that they can “reprogram your mind/brain” (as Myron May complained about). Due to the vastly excessive amount of neurons apes us have in our brains, we human beings are compulsively associating. That is why we understand poetry, but also why we submit so easily to lies that we have such things as religion, royal families, politicians and celebrities. Why we would just sit and watch sports instead of do some physical exercise ourselves.
You have no idea of what is like growing up since you were a little child watching people being downright offensive to your own mother, constantly telling your high profile dissident family/you, that they were ready to beat the sh!t out of you all (and actually seeing how they were actually doing such thing). Teachers would not relate to me at school (which other children noticed as well even though children don’t understand such things). They were not mean, in those times police didn’t have ways to monitor 24×7 people using technology, so they would make teachers write up thorough-going reports about what the children of “the counter revolutionaries” were saying and doing). I was some misfit as a child, but I could see how teachers treated just fine the other kids at school who were misfits as well.
Cuban people seem to have forgotten how they would stand up in movie theaters, applause and shout out praises to “our leader” (Fidel Castro) in such a loud fit of collective frenzy that it was not possible to even hear him. Except my family (my mother, brother and sister), when I gave inquiring looks at my mother she would just say: “Yes, they mean us!” When we saw some abusive sh!t on the streets instead of taking our attention away my most wonderful mother would make (especially me) pay attention to it and would ask me about without giving me some sort of illusive closure or (most beautifully) instilling hate. She would take it as a philosophical thing about the “human condition” when I was just afraid and could not understand about “philosophy”.
However since I was a little boy I have asked myself why do people do such things to other people and apparently in order to keep my sanity I came to the forceful conclusion and total conviction that police, politicians, their snitches aren’t really people like you and me. I also discovered at an early age St. Francis little flowers and math/sciences and since then they have helped me keep my sanity.
To me history is just self-serving b#llsh!t and indoctrination (pretty much all of it), but I have kept that question in my mind and taken the time to read and analyze all about Jose Delgado’s “mind control” experiments, Joost Meerloo’s “The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing”. In addition to that I went to school in East Germany and had the time to smelled both the braune and stasi Scheiße first hand, and, well, lately gringo time, “freedom loving” Zersetzung …
What USG is doing is beaming high frequency electromagnetic lobes at people, which are very detrimental to your health and irreversibly so.
By the way I am a Physicist/Mathematician/tech monkey. Asking a Physicist “how do you know?” is like asking a musicians how they know the keys someone is striking on a piano without looking at them. When people speak about “micro waves” and “direct energy weapons” they are not far off. Most people are not technical so they use the terms they understand.
Yes, I would, to the extent that I know this to be physically and easily possible. “Magnetron” is what I was talking before about “high frequency electromagnetic lobes”. I am also, kind of hopeless about humanity, all they have to do is tell his neighbors they would pay them to do such things for them to happily, patriotically do it.
USG has been using minute metallic dust which serves as electromagnetic beacons to locate your position. They use such tracking technosh!t on people who don’t carry cell phones. They also put it in people’s cosmetics or dust it on to you from the distance with some pneumatic device. When that metallic dust on your skin is rubbed onto it using high frequencies, the sensation any human with a working nervous system would have is heat.
As with any other thing out there, there is a lot of confusion. Some people believe that their governments can “read” and “decode”, somehow influence the electrochemical impulses in the synapses of their brains, in order to hijack their minds and deprive them of their own selves. Instead of making fun of them, I have explained to people may times this is impossible for more than one good reason and why.
RCL
Occam’s Razor
Is it more likely that the government hires gangs of individuals to harrass and monitor a small group of people (~10,000 in the US) spending large sums of monies and government resources in an effort that has no objective or whose objective is so small that it couldn’t affect anything economically, politically or socially, OR
Is it more likely that there is a small group of people that suffer from paranoia or some other form of mental illness for which the causes can only be determined with proper medical care?
I’m gonna have to choose the second one as a best answer to the whole Targeted Individual thing with regards to brain-washing etc. It sounds too much like the X-Files to me. 2nd -4th season. Scully has a chip implanted into her back of her neck and abducted for experimentation.
Sound familiar?
I see.
Thank you for the reply. It is most, most unfortunate that you support these people in their illness. If you are not yourself incapacitated with mental illness you have a moral obligation not to assist them in these dangerous delusions. But as I understand it, you consider yourself also a Targeted Individual. Certainly much that your write is overwrought nonsense.
However, you have aspects of healthiness, such as this:
The truth is, I actually do think of Ricky Ricardo when I see the name Ricardo.
@Biddle and Micah
I was reviewing the slide presentation for BLINDDATE and noticed that the FBI was listed as a customer in the customer block. Slide P.2
Doesn’t it seem interesting to you that the FBI would be a customer of these NSA process tools, yet publicly make such a big noise about not being able to get access to the San Bernadino shooter’s iPhone?
Seems like the SoCal FBI office wasn’t aware or didn’t read the memo that they are a customer for the NSA hacking tools, huh?
@Ricardo Camilo López
Your fellow Targeted Individual, Observer, says this is how Stan can distinguish his alleged stalkers from ordinary people:
Observer has also made other claims.
Richard, do you:
1. Agree that stalkers of Targeted Individuals are known by backbacks and earphones?
2. Agree that many Targeted Individuals are being microwaved and hit with direct energy weapons?
3. Believe that Observer was shocked in his apartment by a “magnetron” installed by a neighbor who works for Northrop Grumman?
4. Believe that another of Observer’s neighbors directed an air compressor filled with “nanocrystals” at him?
Oh dear, I apologize for anglicizing Ricardo’s name. Don’t know why I did that.
“the ever-present backpack & earphones”
This description fits EVERY college and high school student on the planet.
Good call Observer!
Apologies to Observer. Looks like this was how Stan describes his would-be stalkers.
Well actually, it was Observer who wrote that, “explaining” why Stan’s Youtube videos of “stalkers” were evidence of something other than ordinary people. Of course, Stan is known to be posting under at least one other account, the “??????” one. It’s very possible he’s also “Observer.”
Either way, this backpack/earphones thing is simply one of many pieces of evidence that these poor people are deluded. There’s also the “magnetrons” and “nanocrystals,” and a host of other bizarre “remote” tortures and paranoid obsessions.
Take a look at Stan’s response to me below at 11:19am.
Do you think it’s possible that Stan = Observer = RCL?
No, Ricardo has a very distinct voice and his own interests that are often normal. Observer, however, sounds just like Stan and tag-teams the Stan account.
Well, I find it unusual that Stan would use a phrase like ‘Yellow Journos” to describe me. This is a phrase that RCL uses quite frequently.
That would be a poor conclusion to reach as our writing styles are distinct and completely different.
[it’s very possible he’s also “Observer.”]
This implies deception on their part. I tend to think this is more like what Photosymbiosis describes at 8/22 at 7:31pm below.
These people seem drawn to you like a moth to the flame. Their behavior is not unlike that of a Troll.
Give it some thought. ;)
Well sure, but Stan keeps getting banned but urgently wants to stay here. So it sands to reason he’s make “spare accounts” for when “Stan” is yet again banned. But you can see Observer and Stan posted the identical comment within four minutes of “each other.” The “?????” version simply didn’t show up until the next day, so Stan must have decided to repost under Stan to get it out there. (This thread has multiple issues with people’s comments not appearing until much later — if at all — because of some software issue.)
I leave them alone unless and until they start that delusional talk, especially as applied to this site and it’s writers. Moreover, I have a particular interest in this whole Targeted Individual phenomenon as it dovetails with my undergraduate major. Also, I’ve discussed these people with several of the leading lights in the surveillance/whistleblower community and they are very disturbed by these folks, who harangue them when they speak publicly.
Targeted Individuals can be dangerous, and have behaved menacingly toward some of these speakers. These TIs are ill, and are not representative of those of us with rational, legitimate opposition to government malfeasance. In my strong opinion it’s important to make all of this understood.
Thanks for the link. The issues I’ve had with posting comments on this thread were due to the fact I was attempting to do so using my phone, not a PC. Using a computer, I’ve had no issue whatsoever.
I’m sure these people would be dangerous, especially to any students or passserby that happens to have a backpack and headphones. ;) Cheers.
“Of course, Stan is known to be posting under at least one other account, the “??????” one. It’s very possible he’s also ‘Observer.'”
The quality of your technical chops are equal that of your honesty, civil courage, and keen psychological insights too? Impressive.
No “technical chops” are necessary to see that within four minutes of each other you and “?????” posted the identical comment; the latter’s did not appear until the next day, and so you thought it would not post at all. So, you reposted verbatim using the Stan account.
You are overestimating your mind reading skills, along with many of your other supernatural powers. I have never posted anything as “?????”.
I do believe JTRIG type rats have the tools and infantile urge to spoof my IP and post as “?????”, and even use my own computer to post. My computers have been hacked many times.
Nothing from my fingertips has ever been typed under the username “?????”. “Ever” — as you are prone to say with all the earth shaking gravitas in your possession.
You have serious delusions of grandeur. It the trait inherited?
Get help.
Sometimes a duck is just a duck.. Goes for this page STILL not allowing comments easily, for people walking around with backpacks and headphones (I am a fan of both and last I checked I wasnt working for the man), and for broken sites. This forum does not post a lot of characters correctly. I have noticed when I tried to post something in cyrillic it converted it to ?’s due to how this site is (poorly) scripted. Stan, you said you speak/use portuguese. Is there any chance that in trying to post here, with the comment script constantly barfing, you accidentally switched to an alternative keyboard layout?
Btw Mona, dont kill yourself :).
That’s not the only time “?????” has posted. He’s done so here several times and in other threads as well. I quoted him as such — specifically identifying him as “?????” — in a prior thread and was not informed this was some snafu with Stan’s account. It’s Stan.
When I cut and paste from certain sites the text posts with one or two “?” in it. But not a bunch in a row and never my name, only the text in the post.
Late last night a theory occurred to me regarding this matter, based on the possibility this site does not support the UTF-8 character set, but I cannot prove it and I am not going to spend time debugging their html. A look at the html source this morning showed the doc’s ‘meta charset’ is correctly set to UTF-8, but it might be getting overridden somewhere or something else may be broken on the back end.
I have never intentionally posted anything as “??????” anywhere. I have consistently posted with username=my-firstname, until earlier this week when I tried to post a comment in a Mackey run thread with the username ?????? and I did not see it pass moderation. I never intended to try that again until I mistook blocked/delayed posts to this thread for a persistently predicted ban. To get around the presumed ban, I did try to re-post with that Cyrillic username ?????? , associated with a couple of different email addresses. These ?????? comments were not immediately published as is the norm, but may have have been published after some delay with a garbled username. I cannot be sure.
Until last night, it did not occur to me this site might not support the UTF-8 character set. If it does not, despite the fact this doc’s meta charset is correctly set, then Cyrillic characters could be improperly handled and rendered as “??????”.
I might have posted a few duplicate comments after I thought I had been banned, which of course is something I could not and will not respect as it would be yet another act of bad faith in line with TI’s professional “responsibility to protect” the US torture community.
If ?????? is now rendering correctly then I have no clue as to what might have happened.
-Mona- Aug. 23 2016, 12:48 p.m. @The ScaleMan
Do the unreleased Snowden documents contain information that could be used for the public good if devulged?
I’ve not seen them and would not know what they contain. But Greenwald and/or Snowden have said many are highly technical and not easily understood.
I found the published docs easy to understand. It would not take me months of hand-holding from Snowden to understand more of them, especially the bits which would be redacted in order to protect the guilty.
You are a very ill person who has no idea what he’s talking about. You consider yourself a Targeted Individual, a cohort of mostly mentally disturbed people with paranoid delusions. You are very angry that this site and it’s journalists do not take your delusions seriously and that, in fact, you have been banned here several times, and your posts have been deleted.
Advocating the dumping documents out there for everyone to see is somewhat disingenuous on your part. Different people have different skill sets and ability to understand.
Therefore, putting the documents into context is extremely important. It accomplishes two things.
1. It documents what the government does and make a permanent public record of it.
2. It makes it easier to digest to a wider audience whose skillsets and topical knowledge on the subject are not up to date on the issue(s).
Your rush to dump for expedience satisfies neither of the above conditions and is not helpful to the public. Hackers dump, Journalists tell the story.
You would do well to remember who The Intercept writers are. I’ll give you a hint, they aren’t hackers.
You would do well to remember who The Intercept writers are. I’ll give you a hint, they aren’t hackers.
Thanks for your effort to make things digestible for me. However, I have no training as a lawyer nor journalist yet I can still see through the dubious rhetorical and moral claims yellow journos make to justify protecting the identities of people routinely committing crimes against humanity. Your own vehement support for these crimes and the yellow journalism enabling them is also recognized.
“yellow journos”
Interesting choice of words here. Sounds an awful lot like RCL. Wouldn’t you agree?
Observer -> TheScaleman Aug. 23 2016, 2:42 a.m.
[“…They’re using nanodust to burn targets. The dust itself does not burn but when hit with emfs the material heats like ceramics and burns…”]
Observer -> photosymbiosis Aug. 22 2016, 10:13 p.m.
[“… There is nothing ‘false’ about the reports that biomem implants are being used for torture. …”]
I’ve been subjected to a wide variety of attacks for too many years to be characterised as ignorant about covert US torture practices. I have never been burned by nanodust nor hosted a biomem implant. Certainly, tracking implant technology exists and there are even some who willingly adorn it for a variety of reasons. And I long overlooked the possibility some non-technical people who are torture subjects have been understandably fooled by the Stasi’s psuedo-scientific mumbo-jumbo published on disinfo sites.
The contrived emphasis on this subject by ‘targets’ appears intended to deflect attention away from what is actually happening.
One of the most commonly used tactics to harass me has been the deployment of low-brow tech to stalk duty at locations near home, inside the workplace, wherever daily business is conducted (where food, haircuts, and medical checkups are procured), and wherever I may travel, from end to end: my doorstep, at the airport (some low-brow TSA humor & buttocks fondling mixed in), on the plane, at the destination airport(s), on the shuttle on to final destination.
Occam’s Razor
Occam’s Razor is a theory that says, “The most simplest answer tends to be the correct answer”. ie..the answer with fewer assumptions tends to be the correct answer.
Therefore, if we apply this theorem to the case of Targeted Individuals, it would look something like this:
Is it more likely that the government hires gangs of individuals to harrass and monitor a small group of people (~10,000 in the US) spending large sums of monies and government resources in an effort that has no objective or whose objective is so small that it couldn’t affect anything economically, politically or socially, OR
Is it more likely that there is a small group of people that suffer from paranoia or some other form of mental illness for which the causes can only be determined with proper medical care?
@The ScaleMan
I’ve not seen them and would not know what they contain. But Greenwald and/or Snowden have said many are highly technical and not easily understood. From the outset, professional security experts have been allowed to pore over them, including James Bamford, to determine what they are and what they mean.
Assessing this material is an exacting and expensive process, necessarily so. As Snowden knew and insisted it would be when he imposed his conditions for release on the journalists he initially chose.
At it’s own expense, First Look Media — The Intercept’s parent company — has made the full Snowden archive available to the world’s journalists, as Greenwald announced last May:
Could this also be part of the reason on a massive scale many computer systems were vulnerable to viruses (even with virus protections) burning out the systems every year during the holidays so we had to purchase new computers? Was this done to help profits and stock markets?
There is not such a thing as “remote neural monitoring”, or “brain to computer interfacing”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data#comment-25126439
RCL
You know, this whole idea of ‘neural monitoring’ and medical experiments reminds me of the X-Files. One of the main characters, Dana Scully has a microchip embedded into the back of her neck as part of a government conspiracy to which she is abducted by the government and has medical experimentation on her.
I’ve been watching the series recently on DVD with my kids and I can’t help but see the similarities to the people who profess to be Targeted Individuals who are making the same claims.
What part of RCL’s statement There is [no] such a thing as “remote neural monitoring” did you not grok? Are your reading comprehension skills as compromised as Mona’s?
Nice Red Herring.
Perhaps you should go back to bed.
Your fellow Targeted Individual, Observer, wrote this early this morning:
This typical of Targeted Individual claims, Richard. What is your specific position on:
1. Claims that they are being microwaved and hit with direct energy weapons?
2. Being shocked in one’s apartment by a magnetron installed by a neighbor who works for Northrop Grumman?
3. Having another neighbor direct at one an air compressor filled with nanocrystals?
Is that all happening, Richard?
Mona, I know you very obviously can’t understand this, again, this is just your way to “checkpoint” your idol. Million of people may not understand his sense of “ethics” while protecting the impunity of U.S. government officials involved in crimes against humanity to the point of doubting if he has a soul to begin with.
RCL
Anyone still reading should know that you are — and I say this in all sincerity, no snark intended — probably mentally ill. You are angry with Greenwald and this venue for not taking seriously the paranoid delusions of Targeted Individuals, one of which you claim to be.
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/08/23/theintercept_20160819_the-nsa-was-hacked-snowden-documents-confirm/
“status”:”hold”
“date”:”2016-08-23T07:42:56″
“date_tz”:”America/New_York”
“date_gmt”:”2016-08-23T11:42:56″
RCL
RCL: “For example, one of the most amazing things about gringos is that belief they about morality being a “club membership” thing.”
Really? Is this what you believe? I’m not sure you understand people at all RCL. Morality isn’t a club. Individuals either have it or they don’t. You get to choose which side you’d like to be on. And ‘morality’ is not race-based. There are moral and immoral people of any color, diversity, religion or nationality.
RCL: “I, to me, totally new concept that I have learned about “‘the’ ‘free’ and ‘the’ brave …” is that in the U.S. lies are not just tools but industries.”
What does this mean exactly? How is my clarifying my post to be considered a “U.S. LIE”?
Different police departments or government agencies have different levels of abuse. Just because a person clarifies or places limits on their statement(s), it isn’t an admission that abuse doesn’t exist. You really should check your thought process on this.
As far as Milgrim’s experiment goes, I’m the last person who would be susceptible to that sort of tripe. That’s why educators teach this in high schools and colleges in the US. And in case they’ve stopped doing this, I’m already teaching it to my children as I know the dangers of Group Think.
Obviously, I can’t stop you from cutting and pasting my posts into your blog, but if you’re going to make such sweeping generalizations about US culture or even about me, it might be a good idea to get a better understanding of the comment before you use it.
Perhaps next time, you might think about asking….’Why did you feel the need to clarify your post?”
“Manchurian candidate stuff”? … “CIA propaganda efforts”? … “photo symbiosis”?
Luria studied the mind of mnemonists. It is all too obvious how other types of “minds” react and strategize around their ways.
I remember I heard once Chomsky say that (the adjective) “real” was a “honorary attribute”. I have no idea what he meant. Of course, there is actual reality out there. Even if you “don’t believe” in gravity it will make you fall, biological life needs nutrients … Chomsky is primarily a language kind of person, so he may mean that in a rhetorical kind of way in the same way that TheIntercept’s journos consider themselves to be “ethical” for protecting the immunity of people committing crimes against humanity, or as they would say, “defending the truth” but only to an extent, that even comedians demonstrably make a much better job at bringing about concrete changes (which to me is the only valid reason for people to talk about whatever).
Something, I have learned well is that there is no such thing as “reality” when it comes to social affairs based on language (the realm of politicians, lawyers, religious leaders, …) everybody checkpoints reality in their own ways (checkpointing as used in computer programming, debugging code (sorry, I wouldn’t know how to express that concept in any other way with my English)). My ex-wife used to say to me that you see, “read” into what “you know”. I think that is unavoidably true to some extent, but still we all should have something empathy and a sense of justice. For example, one of the most amazing things about gringos is that belief they about morality being a “club membership” thing.
again, when she talks about that particular topic all she does is go into her ad hominem fits and her endless cycles of opinions backed by opinions. Yes, she is capable of explaining herself but she carefully (and skillfully she may believe) doesn’t.
See, for just one example, her opinion about Myron May. She is saying something that to a certain extent is true and some other part of it (his girlfriend’s opinion as expressed to and/or by police). I have my own opinion about May. I think he was being harassed by police/FBI/CIA …
When I said about lots of Monas out there who about a year ago all of a sudden started relating terms such as “targeted individuals” with “satanic sects” and such b#llsh!t, there is a simple way to falsify what I am saying.
Here is a good example of “Monadology” ;-)
Notice how she:
a) refers to whatever Glenn says as if he were some kind of papal bul (or the very gospel?)
b) tries to dress equally the identities of victims with those of “innocent” government employees and contractors …
c) talks about “their permission” framing it in a legalistic way
I unsuccessfully tried to repeatedly call her b#llsh!t in that article with a simple question:
Have NSA employees, USG asked every citizen of the world for “permission” to indiscriminately monitor and surveille them 24×7?
which to me is the primary point to be considered when it comes to those individuals working for the NSA, but, of course, all Mona would do is resort to adjectives and ad hominem “you are crazy” cr@p.
Many people live their lives under circumstances which would not allow them to have such good-hearted expectations. Children in many countries fear playing outdoor because of drone attacks by “innocent” “freedom lovers” “ethically” protected by TheIntercept’s journos.
Also, I have seen many times in my life what happens to people when they realized their “good-hearted expectations” were just functional illusions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
I, to me, totally new concept that I have learned about “‘the’ ‘free’ and ‘the’ brave …” is that in the U.S. lies are not just tools but industries. In fact, I even dedicated a poem to Rachel Corrie based on that gringo idea
https://hsymbolicus.wordpress.com/category/poems/ (lies …)
I can’t help making a point by fixing a bit your “clarification”. Yes, in those countries you mentioned political persecution is open, above board, but it doesn’t mean that in the U.S. it is “unreal” because they do it in covert, “responsible”, “ethical” ways, because “in the U.S. there are laws protecting civil liberties”. Now, any one with a sense of reality would laugh about such downright silly nonsense. It it like saying that soviets used to brainwash people, but in the U.S. people are not being brainwashed and manipulated 24×7 or that, “of course”, only “communist”, “freedom-hating” governments/people would spy and snitch on one another, but then when people in the U.S. and their allies confronted the truth about their own government “monitoring” every single individual 24×7 they simply shrugged it off with a little bit “it is only about metadata” help.
Gringos had been throughly brainwashed into the idea of unbounded individualism and privacy to the point of believing that not only to be “Christian”, “American”, but God itself to be some gringo. Yet, they didn’t react at all when they were dragged out of their denial by the partial revelations Snowden leaks. People all over the world were laughing about “‘the’ ‘free’ and ‘the’ brave …”. All of a sudden gringos had total and very convenient amnesia about having constantly made fun of those morally deprived, lesser idiots who would spy on each other …
It may relate to the fact that I don’t five a f#ck about “patriotism”, I even find amazing and downright hopelss how many of the people that frequent this hang out would buy into the idea of “ethically” protecting NSA agents!
In East Germany they even had public “(repression) Universities” where students would write their theses about Zersetzung, manufacturing and managing consent. In the U.S. they have it worst but they are not open about it because people’s rights are protected by the constitution. Now, could that downright silly, illusive b#llsh!t work? All you need to do is look at gringoland U.S.A. to answer your question.
In Cuba, an open police state, there are actual “protections” (and effective ones I many add) of the people against police abuse. Police in Cuba don’t give a sh!t about “constitutional rights” or being taped, in fact, they summoned you to the police stations to discuss with you face to face their repression plan (as crazy as it many sound to gringo mindset). They have even written it all in the “penal code” and would give you unredacted copies of their dealings. They thoroughly train police not to (fatally) abuse people (since a dictatorship if a form of flagrant abuse anyway):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/21/raul-castro-demands-return-guantanamo-bay-obama-visit#comment-71034070
In this case, you may see more than someone who was very abusively beaten by police:
// __ Testimonio de Antonio Rodiles tras brutal golpiza y arresto del 5 de julio 2015 (with English subtitles)
youtube.com/watch?v=305XilibeFA
~
I’d have never thought repression in “‘the’ land of ‘the’ ‘free'” would be less open and less humane than in police state Cuba. They are getting there though in their own ways.
RCL
Whenever you have a good article that exposes some governmental farce or wrongdoing, you will almost always see an effort by propaganda-minded people to discredit the article or distract attention away from the article’s themes.
So articles about the NSA mass surveillance programs and NSA incompetence in allowing their hacking tools to escape from their hands (leaving them behind on servers, as Snowden suggests), or how NSA holding onto zero-day exploits makes U.S. government networks vulnerable to hacking (as in the OPM hack), or how Stuxnet got out of control and infected systems all over the world, eventually leading to its exposure – etc. – you’ll see a bunch of responses claiming the authors of the article are really working for the government. Rather like a FBI COINTELPRO tactic called “snitch jacketing.”
Similarly, when it became clear that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was based on lies about WMDs cooked up by the Bush Administration, or that the 9/11 attacks were preceded by many warnings about Al Qaeda terrorists that the Bush Administration failed to take action on, you saw the rise of the bogus 9/11 Truth Movement, which claimed the WTC was blown up via “controlled demolitions”, etc. These are all deliberate propaganda efforts aimed at distraction from the 9/11 failures and WMD lies, which are much more dangerous to the Bush team, a la Pinochet.
A good video detailing the scope of such efforts is PSYWAR – The Real Battlefield is the Mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4y8fTl00tI
It details, for example, how the Rendon Group staged various media events in Iraq (Rendon worked for both the Bushes and the Clintons as a ‘perception manager’), how PR groups create news stories that are sold to MSNBC and FOX and stamped with their logo, how PR flacks now outnumber working journalists in the United States by a good margin, etc.
The American system has many similarities to the Soviet system, but the main one is that public conformity is enforced, not by gulags and state violence, but by massive propaganda efforts characterized by misinformation, deception and drivel – which is of course a theme that the propagandists will try to utilize to push their claims. Bait-and-switch is their specialty.
That’s how con artists operate – they tell just enough of the truth to win the trust of their target, than insert their package of lies and BS afterwards – and this is really the most characteristic feature of American society today, also seen in the tactics used to market sub-prime adjustable rate loan packages to first-time homebuyers (for example, mortgage firms would send black agents to black families, white agents to white families, etc. to gain trust and get them to sign off on ridiculously bad loan deals.)
I suppose this sleazy dishonest behavior is not all that new; Herman Melville wrote a book about this, called “The Confidence Man: His Masquerade” in 1857.
One note: The Intercept did not break this story. It only confirmed what a hacker released with documents in its possession for three years. So The Intercept is not the journalism hero here; quite the contrary. So there is no reason to attack it for ‘working for the government.’ Rather, its suppression of these materials makes that case itself.
The Intercept suppressed nothing. Rather, when this information became topical they published it; Edward Snowden realized this specific material could be used to verify that ShadowBrokers were auctioning authentic NSA “cyberweapons. ” So, the story was done.
Really? Because I’m thinking Snowden had to leak it a second time to actually get it published. ‘It’s time.’
Do the unreleased Snowden documents contain information that could be used for the public good if devulged? Who would poking the NSA in the eyes by patching holes in firewalls benefit and who would it harm? When the horse has left the barn and the exploits are in the wild the story then becomes topical enough to let us all in on it.
Private corporations led by former three letter agency employees should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for using these exlpoits.
James Bamford suggests there may be a new Snowden 2.0 at the NSA … and that “details from the manual were first released by The Intercept last Friday.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-intelligence-nsa-commentary-idUSKCN10X01P
Thanks for the link. I think Snowden 2.0 was Keith Alexander who stole the works after he was “fired”. He probably got hacked on the train.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/03/do-webcams-watch-the-watchmen-ex-nsa-head-no-sticker
Great Post! I started watching the Youtube link. It really reminds me of an interview I saw with Frank Zappa who was trying to warn people about PR placed stories in the media shown as ‘news’.
Much appreciated.
Sure, but who is Hickory Nick?
“DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION” — A Bad Lip Reading
Translation of the article : The corrup clowns at the intercept know the leak is real thanks to all the information they are KEEPING SECRET. Whoever leaked the stuff is way more useful to the public than the intercept.
More translation : the corrupt clowns at the intercept are nothing but controlled opposition. Among the many proofs for the fact is the guy who pays the intercept’s bills.
Paranoid, baseless nonsense for which there is no evidence.
Nailed it.
You have a bad habit of endorsing and/or asserting claims for which there is no evidence.
I don’t need permission to call the sky blue, Mona.
There is a silver lining in First Look staff’s ongoing complicity in providing cover for covert stalk / harass / torture programs in the US and it is this: anyone who can muster the integrity and civil courage to leak evidence along with names of the guilty will know better than to forward the information to First Look, which has demonstrated it possesses the same level of integrity and journalistic courage as the staffs at NYT and WaPo.
Hopefully that person will learn the lessons of Snowden – Greenwald and will work with Wikileaks instead.
You self-identify as a Targeted Individual, a cohort that includes many mentally ill, paranoid people. Some of whom are dangerous.
You have been banned here several times and had posts deleted because you and your fellow TIs post voluminous amounts of paranoid, delusional ranting. No Intercept writer takes your laments seriously and this is why you are so angry with the outlet.
Your link prove absolutely nothing whatsoever.
It’s a vacationer from overseas taking a picture in a park. Big Deal.
Why are you posting very similar and even identical comments also under the account name “?????? “
You are lying again, Mona. Is this nasty trait in your pool?
See this comment. Now see the one by “you” directly below it. It’s not the only set much like that.
Why are you doing that?
I have nothing to do with any posts from “??????”. Got to be one of your crowd. I smell desperation all the way from here. Or is that a rat?
“??????” must be one of your JTRIG rats. Working over time are we?
You have been banned multiple times but keep returning. The writers here do not wish to endure your bizarre behavior in their comments but you will not respect that.
ShadowBrokers – Share the knowledge, show how the US federal government spies on ALL it’s citizens. We the people do not approve. Fuck the spies.
;-)
That Freudian slip exemplifies poetically what I had just talked about. To most people there is an essential and important difference between “walking” (-the- walk that matters) and “talking”
RCL
It was a typo. But Glenn has done both. He graduated from a top tier law school with over a dozen A+ firms competing for him, spent 18 most at one and walked away because he cold not be the lawyer for Goldman Sachs. Had he stayed he’d have been a millionaire partner — many times over — by the time he was in his early 30s.
He couldn’t. It was killing his soul.
Did you read the link that I posted?
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/09/fbis-shared-responsibility-committees-to-identify-radicalized-muslims-raises-alarms/?comments=1#comment-219716
I have actually spent time trying to understand Mona’s rationale (or its basis, if any) since, generally speaking, she is a smart and sensitive person with a spine, who seems to think for herself. Yet, when it comes to systematic police harassment, political persecution and non-consensual experimentation on targeted individuals, she is in some sort of crusade trying to convince everybody that we are all “crazy” loons with nothing better to do, seeking attention … Funny thing is that USG and their friends have always even boasted about non-consensually experimenting on people, but when the victims of their practices talk about it Mona starts (with gusto!) telling them to seek “professional help”. For some reason, when it comes to this particular topic, she never states anything close to being falsifiable in any way, let alone facts. She covers herself on her superwoman cape and goes about her pacman ad hominem missions.
I have to admit that at times she has made me laugh not only because of what she says, but how she says it (why would someone who doesn’t know sh!t about a topic talk about it with such vested authority and visceral gusto). Or, who knows, maybe lawyers and scientists, technical people have different kinds of mindsets.
To lawyers and it seems “ethical” journalists, saying something (or not) and how you do, changes the alignment of stars in the Universe, to me this is like actually believing in Santería.
At least, when I have said something about Glenn or whomever/ whatever, my intention is not trying to be offensive to anyone. I am just downright angry about the general state of affairs and that anger may spill over some of TheIntercept’s views. However, angry or not, I have taken the time to back and explain my points.
truth and peace and love,
RCL
All that Manchurian candidate stuff is science fiction. As I note below, the whole “Communist brainwashing” line was a CIA propaganda effort from the 1950s, designed to explain why captured American pilots in the Korean war were confessing to dropping biological weapons over North Korea (it’s because they really were).
Also, as many Intercept articles about FBI informants talking deranged young men into carrying out bogus terrorist attacks show, you don’t need “electronic mind control” for such purposes:
https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/
You might as well be posting links about how UFOs are controlling world leaders, or how the CIA blew up the WTC with “controlled demolitions”, or how the moon landing was faked – disinformation, distraction, and drivel.
You consider yourself a Targeted Individual. It almost certain that none of you are “targeted” for “police harassment” or any of the rest of your parade of paranoid symptoms. (You all lack any evidence.)
But believing otherwise has led a mentally ill Targeted Individual to go on a shooting spree, where he was (necessarily) gunned down by cops. Myron May’s ex-fiancee was frightened of him and deeply worried when he’d show up at her apartment:
Later that same month Myron May shot three people at Florida State University.
Well, I’d have to admit that I didn’t click on the link. I did in this post of yours. Truthfully, I see TI written and have used that abbreviation myself, but usually in the context of “The Intercept”…..;)
I think Mona is perfectly capable of explaining her position. I don’t know what it is, but from the posts I’ve seen, it seems like she believes it’s a form of paranoia.
I’ve looked at some of Stan’s links when he’s made his thrashing outs to Mona and from what I can tell, his so-called evidence of people lurking after him are just normal citizens doing their own thing such as taking pictures of nature or standing in a group conversing.
Just because someone see a small group of people near their car, it isn’t exactly evidence of something nefarious. You can make a case for any number of other things these folks are doing and unless you directly ask them and they respond, you are only speculating on their intentions.
I’ve always taught my children that 99.5% of the people we cross in our lives are just honest, hard-working people trying to make their lives and their family’s lives better.
When I see a stranger near my car, I assume nothing. Standing around a vehicle is just that….standing and conversing. If they leave when you approach, how can you make an argument they are ‘experimenting’ on you?
Anyways, I don’t disagree that the government may experiment on people. They have a history of this. But you do need proof, not just videos of people doing nothing but standing around being engaged in lawful activities.
Just one disconnect I’d like to clarify. I was speaking about the US government and US justice system. Obviously in other countries, government behaviors of their police departments as far as political persecutions is quite real, frequent and obvious. (Ex. Iraq pre-invasion)
Depends on the country.
That the stalkers look like they are just ordinary people is the genius of it. But it is indeed real. Study Cointelpro. Also, the ACLU did a post in July 2015 confirming with docs from a FOI request that the CIa&FBI are experimenting on people. The article references the flooding of communities a la how the Soviets used to harass dissidents. Search for CIA FBI ACLU experimentation to read the reports. The stalkers use all sorts of behaviors to perform their psyop. One is actually carrying ‘Target’ store bags with the bullseye on it.
1. Then why offer it as evidence, if it clearly just looks like ordinary people?
2. Based on what extrinsic evidence is there any reason to believe these are not ordinary people?
Whatever that alludes to, the ACLU does not endorse or promote any belief whatsoever in the Targeted individual phenomenon. A brief bit of googling suggests you are referring to past activities already investigated in the Church Committee era.
The ACLU documents refer to recent experimentation. Anyone interested can search for ‘ ACLU FBI CIA Experimentation.’ They refer to the program as AR-202
Yes, Galactus and I worked that out just below. The CIA internal documents prohibit “human experimentation,” and they may have violated that during the time of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. Not a thing at all about this torture stuff Targeted Individuals rant about.
Again: The ACLU does not endorse or promote any belief whatsoever in the Targeted Individual phenomenon.
I haven’t offered it as evidence.
Stan repeatedly has. Do you agree it is evidence of nothing?
No I do not. However, I do think it’s foolhardy to try to convince its existence to people who are not versed well in cointelpro and without a systematic record/videos of the repetitive behavior. Targets are ‘conditioned’ and get quite good at recognizing who’s a stalker. The ever-present backpack & earphones are pretty good clues. There are others but it is so hard to relay convincingly that I would never bother to do so here.
Mona consciously shills for murderers; she needs no convincing.
It is foolhardy to try to convince american zombies of any thing real. It is foolhardy for american torture subjects to think like a zombie. There is however, contrary to conventional american widsom, good reason to put the faces of the guilty in front of the guilty as well as the zombies.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/new-docs-raise-questions-about-cia-spying-here-home
I did find this. However, the link in this article regarding ‘human experimentation’ was a dead link. While the article does mention the term, Human Experimentation, it doesn’t define it or support people lurking around to do medical experimentation on others.
However, for personal reasons, I do find it interesting that there is discussion about CIA surveillance of persons within the US.
That was one of the same links I found and read through a bit. Further googling yielded The Guardian reporting on these ACLU-obtained documents, including the section on “human experimentation.” It pertains to the “enhanced interrogation techniques” during the Bush era when the prohibition on that may have been violated.
“It pertains to the “enhanced interrogation techniques”
Yea, that’s what I was suspecting anyways. But thanks. ;)
The ACLU blog entry does not refer to the experimentation as enhanced interrogation techniques. It does mention ‘monitoring,’ widely perceived by targets as referring to remote neural monitoring, or brain to computer interfacing such as Voigts refers to it.
The document does not describe in any way how the program is implemented, so referring to ‘lurking’ is an attempt to obfuscate the ACLU’s own documentary evidence that experimentation is occurring. As someone being tortured, though, I can personally can aver that there is actually much ‘lurking around’ involved, specifically by the private military, electric and plumbing contractors involved.
You initially claimed this:
What the document shows what the CIA bans human experimentation, but that the CIA manipulated basic definitions of human experimentation to ensure the Bush-era enhanced interrogation program could proceed. That apparently involved research without consent in order to claim what the CIA was doing to alleged foreign terrorists was not torture. Not the FBI, and not torture of Americans.
Those ACLU documents do not, in any way, support this further claim of yours:
It is your own mind torturing you. No evidence exists for any other explanation.
Righto.
One of the ironies of what you term ‘the genius’ is the low level of intelligence among apparatchiks I’ve encountered. Based on my observations of appearances, behaviors, and utterances, I am certain many street operators don’t have valuable job skills beyond the criminal urges. The more educated apparatchiks I have ‘met’ deserve no more respect for the intelligence they displayed; when engaged in conversation they often used the silliest arguments in attempts to alter this target’s political opinions, habitually referring to Hollywood products to make their points. One of them I had the misfortune to engage too frequently — a Yale graduate — displayed equal thickness, using a quote from a Tom Hanks movie to drill home its irrefutable argument the USA is an awesome country. By the way, “awesome!” was its favorite expression, used almost exclusively when characterising itself. Another ‘educated’ Stasi functionary I conversed with in London insisted “Bush knows something” while trying to persuade me the upcoming Iraq invasion was warranted.
In the early years they tried to make me see things their way but gave up. Styles changed with the times… Now I deal mostly with a less verbose type of thug that knows I have become constitutionally unable to utter a civil word at it, so it just falls back on intimidation ploys. Another style on exhibit in these times is this Stalker Protection Squad here at TI, sporting the voluminous, brazenly dishonest, and logically dubious ramblings of people like Mona who are desperately trying to get others to perceive their peculiar institution is something that only exists in the ‘fevered’ minds of the ‘mentally ill’.
Stalin would be proud.
Whatever they call themselves in private, they display little independence of thought, no integrity, and enjoy unlimited impunity only because the society they operate in has been put to sleep by propaganda spewed from pop-culture in the form of ‘news’ shows, ‘news’ papers, ads, TV, sports events, best-selling books, and Hollywood movies. One of the symptoms (proof Americans are asleep) is the glib nonchalance of the US population regarding US / NATO provocations along Russia’s western border. Another is the popular habit of laying blame on immigrants for their economic hardships, by people who themselves voted to ship the US’ real economy to China many years ago.
It is important to note that the above and other other ‘reasonable’ points are often made by torture community hacks here, as a way of positioning themselves (building ‘credibility’ among the uninformed) to attack torture subjects describing their experiences.
Stalin would be proud.
As I have repeatedly said, The Great American people is (personally) responsible for encouraging the the out-of-control growth of the malignancy. But since they don’t appear at all concerned for their own welfare it is no surprise they are comfortable living in a ‘free’ totalitarian state which routinely tortures dissidents right under their nose.
You are extremely ill.
Not sure what happened to this persons post; likely it was deleted because it was posted multiple times using various stupid names. I’m not vouching for the contents validity, or even that it originated with the person stated:
The rest is here.
David Voigts claims to be a one of these Targeted Individuals. As the section titled “Kernel of Reality Feeding Them” sets forth, the writers here have repeatedly deleted and banned these suffering and paranoid individuals because they have several times taken over the discussion with their paranoia and bizarre accusations.
One of them currently posting here had a post deleted — by the staff –last week because it could have reasonably been taken as a threat against them and against me. (Some of them are angry that none of the writers here take their complaints seriously and write about them.)
Further, I have had multiple conversations with prominent activists who speak publicly on issues of national security, surveillance and whistleblowing. Multiple of them report that these “TIs” have angrily and menacingly accosted them at these events and that security has had to move in. At least two have gone on violent murder sprees, driven by their paranoid beliefs.
What you have there is a mishmash of actual history with somewhat paranoid projections about Manchurian candidates – the real history of how such programs operated is more mundane, though pretty nasty. Consider the history, from MK-ULTRA to CIA black site torture programs, for example:
1) In the early 1950s the U.S. was at war in Korea and conducted limited trials of biological weapons in an effort to undermine the North Korean war effort, using pathogens that targeted crops and people – the US government continues to deny this, but it’s fairly well-documented. A good summary from 2010 is here:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2010/03/201031761541794128.html
2) A number of American airmen where shot down over Korea and confessed to having dropped biological weapons; the U.S. response was to claim they’d been brainwashed via “Communist mind control programs”. Such claims were also used to justify supporting the CIA’s MK-ULTRA program c. 1953.
3) MK-ULTRA was just part of a suite of CIA-Army joint programs for clandestine use of chemical and biological agents, others were MK-DELTA and MK-NAOMI. They were overseen by the CIA’s Sidney Gottlieb. This involved everything from chemical or electroshock interrogation of prisoners to political assassination with toxins to ‘dirty tricks’ like spiking politician’s drinks with LSD right before big political speeches or debates. A lot of these agents and tactics were surreptitiously tested on American citizens, prisoners, mental patients and soldiers in the 1950s and 1960s.
4) CIA use of these tactics to target student activist groups, etc., went on in the U.S. in the 1960s under a program called Operation CHAOS, a kind of independent sister of the FBI’s COINTELPRO, c.1963-1969. All this came out in the Church Committee hearings, 1975; it’s historical fact.
5) Much of that was shut down in the 1970s or found ineffective – but as the Iraq War torture scandal showed, much of it was continued – sleep deprivation via loud music, isolation, etc. was a common CIA “black site” tactic and as anyone who’s seen video of Gitmo detainees stumbling around dazed, perhaps drug-based interrogation was used as well.
6) However, none of the mind-control efforts for “programmed Manchurian candidates” ever worked; the tactics might make people dazed and incoherent (or dead, in many cases) but that’s about it. That’s where the “targeted individual” claims break down. Sure, an FBI informant might be able to talk some mentally deficient teenager into carrying out a staged ‘terrorist attack’ for the sake of a big media arrest, but that’s not “electronic mind control.”
7) Yes, DARPA is developing prosthetic limbs with nerve control and experimenting with putting electronic interfaces in brain-injured military veterans, but the claim that this is for mind control is nonsense; the most nefarious aspects might be mapping human brain activity as an aid in designing autonomous AI hunter-killer robots, which DARPA seems interested in. (see Anne Jacobsen’s book on DARPA, “The Pentagon’s Brain”)
The bottom line is, people get their hands on a few scraps of information about covert programs and then make up all kinds of wild-eyed fantasies based on those scraps, rather than taking the time to be diligent and look up all the details, which are often unglamorous though nasty (like the electroshock tests on mental patients, a real Nazi-like Mengele-flavored operation run by CIA-affiliated doctors in the 1950s).
Most of these programs were disasters or debacles of one kind or another that never accomplished anything other than making the United States look really bad (CIA black-site torture is a good example); more proof that such agencies – like the NSA – need more transparency. A lot of idiotic, nasty and wasteful crap goes on under the cover of government secrecy.
Absolutely true. The notion of “brainwashing” became quite pernicious during the moral panic over “cults” in the 70s and 80s.
Parents were hiring so-called “deprogrammers” to kidnap and imprison their adult children to harangue them out of their religious beliefs — as well as their sexual orientation in some cases. This is, of course, illegal, and the courts finally put a stop to it, rejecting the defense that this was “necessary” because the subjects had been “brainwashed” and thus lacked free will.
Indoctrination certainly happens, but that is not coterminous with brainswashing, which isn’t real.
Not to go down this road right now. But…
Much has been learned since the Church Committee Hearing . Aurora’s James Holmes worked in a microRNA lab. His psychiatrist was ex Air Force out of San Antonio Texas.
Nervous system
miRNAs appear to regulate the development and function of the nervous system. Neural miRNAs are involved at various stages of synaptic development, including dendritogenesis (involving miR-132, miR-134 and miR-124), synapse formation and synapse maturation (where miR-134 and miR-138 are thought to be involved). Some studies find altered miRNA expression in schizophrenia, as well as bipolar disorder and major depression and anxiety disorders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroRNA
Do not discount or belittle those who claim to be under chemical etc. attack. What better way to take care of witnesses and potential whistle blowers than to screw up their minds so nobody would believe them if they could ever collect their thoughts enough to remember what they have been programmed to forget?
The U.S. General Accounting Office issued a report on September 28, 1984, which stated that between 1940 and 1974, DOD and other national security agencies studied thousands of human subjects in tests and experiments involving hazardous substances.
The quote from the study:
Working with the CIA, the Department of Defense gave hallucinogenic drugs to thousands of “volunteer” soldiers in the 1950s and 1960s. In addition to LSD, the Army also tested quinuclidinyl benzilate, a hallucinogen code-named BZ. Many of these tests were conducted under the so-called MKULTRA program, established to counter perceived Soviet and Chinese advances in brainwashing techniques. Between 1953 and 1964, the program consisted of 149 projects involving drug testing and other studies on unwitting human subjects
https://archive.org/stream/finalreportofsel01unit#page/390/mode/2up
Do you dare imagine what they have been up to since 911?
They’re using nanodust to burn targets. The dust itself does not burn but when hit with emfs the material heats like ceramics and burns. The ‘stalkers’ are frequently the ones who deliver the payload, so to speak, but also Infraguard members & contractors posing as neighbors. They are also using air compressors w/nano-crystals to torture targets. They blast it right through the walls. Leaves an ashy smell. If targets have Ebay or Etsy accounts they order items from them to match their dna to be used in personalized biohazard aerosols that affect only the target.
There is nothing ‘false’ about the reports that biomem implants are being used for torture. Dave Larson, who consensually allowed these devices to be implanted, documented in a 50-page document that these devices were being used by intelligence agencies to track and torture. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or practicing disinfo. http://www.us-government-torture.com/Larson%20Report%20Edit.pdf
That report does not “document” that “biomem implants are being used for torture.” A casual perusal reveals it would not withstand scrutiny by either the peer-review process or in court per the Rules of Evidence. In short: It is crap.
I suggest you read it again. I suggest everyone here visit that document.
I suggest you quote the specific text showing that “biomem implants are being used for torture.” A quick googling finds only Targeted Individuals claiming this.
Don’t have time for yiur semantic games Mona. Dave Larson’s document speaks for itself.
Don’t have time for your semantic games Mona. Dave Larson’s document speaks for itself.
To Mona and photosymbiosis – thanks for the very informative replies.
Voigts is available by telephone and he has recently been interviewed on a half a dozen radio shows though no one has spent enough time with him. Voigts became a target only ‘after’ seeking to be allowed in to the program to experience & expose what he learned of it from former participants who regretted their involvement. I encourage all here not under Mona’s sway to search online for his interviews, explanatory statement and ‘TI In America’ Facebook account. He is truly a standup guy who will tell you that he was moved to expose these abuses because of the ethical training he received at the Naval Academy and a meeting he had at the Holocaust Museum with a survivor who Pleaded that these sailors expose and challenge abuses should they encounter them. I only wish more servicemen took their ethics training to heart as well as Voigts’ did. I beseech those involved in this brutal torture program speak up, leak, find some way to help end them and return our country to its Constitutional roots. Individuals being ecperimented on are extraordinarily grateful to Voigts. His telephone number is easily found online if you want to ask him directly about these programs.
Thanks.
David Voigts wrote this about Gavin Long, the man who shot and killed the cops in Baton Rouge, my emphasis:
That is literally incredible. No one reasonable and stable would take that seriously.
Gavin Long was likely mentally ill. He is one of two known Targeted Individuals who have recently gone on murder sprees, driven by their delusions. What Voigts claims about Long is equally deluded.
There’s nothing ‘incredible’ at all about what Voigts writes. I guess you have to be tortured and have no one willing or able to help to understand; to be microwaved and hit with direct energy weapons night after night while crouched on the floor by your bed, the hits coming from the direction of the apartment in the hands of Fannie Mae and rented out to a goverment contractor; to be shocked by a magnetron installed by the owner upstairs who works for Northrop Grumman; to be poisoned with an aerosol that causes a clear discharge from your nose, a tightening in your chest and throat, racing heart and jerking pains in your arms and legs; to be assaulted with something that feelslike shards of glass being shot into your legs, only later realizing that the neighbor next door whose been involved all along has hit you with an air compressor filled with nanocrystals. Note to the perp: I’ve got your license plate; to be soaking in the tub and to hear your cat shriek and to look up and see a fluid spilling through the overhead vent. The next day your legs are in excruciating pain while walking; to be under surveillance 24/7 hours a day while fucking and fighting and bathing and farting and just chilling (although in truth not a whole lot of fucking is going on); to realize that the residents of your entire building have bought into this sick game for sports tickets and house cleaners and home upgrades, even the single mother whose kid you bought presents for, and the retired teacher you thought of at Christmastime; to slowly realize that it’s not just your building involved, but the ones to the North and West of yours, as well as many as a dozen of the million-dollar mansions on the bordering streets occupied by men who never seem to leave for work and whose homes are constantly visited upon by SUVs and limos with tinted windows and shady men; to be betrayed by the doctors you trusted for years from the so-called world class hospital, the one where they implanted an rfid chip under the guise of administering a flu shot, as well as multiple biomems, at least three microstimulators, and a biotelemetry wire that serves both as transceiver to cause a burning feeling when you’re hit with emfs, but that also relays radio waves to the DARPA perps collecting biofeedback on your body’s reaction to torture; to see the bewilderment of your friends and family who think you’ ve lost your mind when in fact it’s a miracle you’re actually able to get up and function, occassionally even smile and joke to your own surprise; to see your lived ones suffer because you’ve pissed off the wrong person 18 years earlier; to have every phone call, text and email intercepted; to receive mocking plausibly deniable messages on your social media accounts about being fat or getting cancer or your missing cat, and occassionally, even a compliment; to know that an old friend with whom you’ve worked at three different companies is intricately involved in this conspiracy, and is likely the person who approached the hospital’s president about implementing this diabolical revenge plan; to reach out to an old reporter mentor only to be told you’re paranoid, but then soon after you learn that this once-hero has been shilling at a think tank on behalf of building F-22s; to spend 18 months knocking in reporters’ doors, reporters you think the world of, Glenn Greenwald included, only to be greeted with silence or worse; to hear a world-famous reporter with five decades of exposing military atrocities say, ‘Sorry, not my beat.’ ; to contact your local Congressional representative who sits on the House Intelligence subcommittee and witness the pointless back-and-forth letters between his staff and the intelligence agencies. His district liaison is always professional until you tie your assaults to the famous person you’ve pissed off. And only then does she get testy and insinuate that maybe you’re imagining it all. But she knows the truth, just like the cop who asked if I did anything to be ‘targeted’ when I tried to report seeing a guy taking pictures of the overhead electric lines in the alley next to my building; to know that the contractor who came to work on my kitchen, bringing his own microwave (psyop), put something in the food that sickened my child; to hear that there’s no way out of this sick game, that the experimenters use ‘game
theory’ — torturing you to your death, whenever that is. To have your shrink tell you that no doctor will
risk their career to take the torture devices from you. Yes, I understand every word of David Voigts and the shooters. But I won’t be shooting anyone. I’m going to go down slowly. And yes I have the evidence to back up my claims. But where’s the lawyer or journalist who’ll listen?
Here’s another good background article on these hacking tools and how the NSA has facilitated their spread, in alliance with private contractors who sell such tools, as well as zero-day exploits, from 2013:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyberweapons-specialreport-idUSBRE9490EL20130510
Perhaps the biggest player in funding Endgame was actually Paladin Capital, a venture capital firm involving ex-CIA Director James Woolsey and ex-NSA Director Ken Minihan. That’s the same Woolsey that played a key coordinating role between Bush and Blair on “Iraqi WMD” claims right after 9/11. And, more recently he said Snowden should be hung as a traitor. See this from the UK Telegraph 2001 Oct 26, “Building the Case Against Iraq,” by Toby Harnden:
Curiously, the CIA had run a program to replicate Soviet anthrax bioweapons in the late 1990s called “Project Clear Vision” in alliance with private biodefense contractor Battelle Memorial Institute (amusingly, Battelle has been running ads on NPR lately about how they protect U.S. soldiers); this is actually the most likely source of the anthrax used in the 9/18 and 10/9 anthrax mailings. Members of Dick Cheney’s staff were given antibiotics used to prevent anthrax infection days after 9/11, making them the most likely actors in the anthrax mailings (which killed five people).
There’s another key point: the panic set off by the anthrax attacks began after the 10/9 letters shut down the Senate Hart Building (and contaminated the postal route) after 10/16; the Patriot Act was passed on 10/25 (opening the door to domestic mass surveillance); and Woolsey was immediately on his way to Britain to coordinate support for the 2003 Iraq invasion by 10/26.
Thus, the two most criminal acts of the American government in the past two decades – the invasion of Iraq, and the domestic mass surveillance program – are rooted in these few weeks in October 2001, and are intimately bound up with the anthrax mailings.
This looks like quite the criminal conspiracy, doesn’t it? Suitable evidence to be introduced at a war crimes trial in the Hague, as well as a domestic terrorism trial in the United States – but for that, the FBI would have to admit that their entire anthrax investigation from late 2001-2008 was a sham, and Obama would have to lift his threat to veto any Congressional effort to reopen the anthrax case, and the Hague would have to open an investigation into the Iraq 2003 war of aggression. Unlikely? Perhaps, but don’t forget about what happened to Pinochet; Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and their cohort could still end up as Pinochet did.
Woolsey’s desire to see Snowden hanged is of course related to the fact that the Snowden revelations threaten the flow of cash to NSA contractors like Endgame that specialize in hacking tools, zero-day exploits etc. There’s a growing consensus that the NSA should devote its energies to protecting goverment networks from intrusion, not weakening security to facilitate breaking into networks, and that would lead to less funding flowing to groups like Endgame and their investors, like Paladin Capital, and other insider venture firms. And a bunch of ‘retired’ high-ranking intelligence officials don’t want their gravy train cut off.
A similar argument for devoting resources to protecting and enabling democracy and stable governments around the globe rather than interdicting in foreign affairs is being made, too. Too strained an analogy? Too isolationist? Or are these arguments really examples of fact based decision-making rather than fear-mongering?
Ah, the whole “protecting and enabling democracy” line is standard Hillary Clinton State Department claptrap, which really means staging covert or overt regime change games in places like Libya and Syria, often under the guise of “humanitarian concern” in order to set up puppet client states who will give up their natural resources to Wall Street interests.
In constrast, a switch in NSA mission would simply mean that instead of paying private contractors for zero-day exploits and malware tools and working to undermine internet security, they’d immediately publicize any zero-days they discovered to tech firms; instead of developing malware, they’d develop robust intrusion-proof networks.
Well stated.
Or in my fantasy scenario:
“instead of developing enemies, they’d develop robust, transparent, authoritarian-proof political systems….”
Well that’s something..
Funny thing, Bill Clinton (for all his foibles) did do the nation a service by a mostly non-fud-oriented approach to biopreparedness. I worry that all attempts at progress can too easily get hijacked by organisations bent on dominance, fear mongering and profit.
@TheInterceptStaff
The foxacid sop mentions a removable device exploit codenamed easyhookup. In order to help people secure their systems against attack it would be helpful if you published any documents you have related to this exploit. It is not listed in any currently public documents.
Disclosing privately, preferably with a well tested fix, is responsible. Disclosing publicly just makes you less safe not moreso. I hate to think about how this stuff is being used against vpn services and providers permitting use as tor nodes. Sigh.
Any alternative network made by Russia ? I want to pre-order right now
Seems pretty dang self evident that Hillary in the white house guarantees Victoria Nuland’s appointment to an even higher ranking post at the state dept.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/clintons-hawk-in-waiting/
Where she can implement her husband’s wildest PNAC policies of never ending wars, both militarily and economically.
Looking only forward, and staying the PNAC course.
Notice how Afghanistan has been whitewashed out of the election? Not one media outlet has asked any candidate about their plan for Afghanistan, even though Obama has committed over 9,000 U.S. soldiers to what looks like permanent residence, and NATO is putting up $1 billion a year through 2020.
Hillary Clinton’s agenda there can be guessed from her emails, though – she’ll continue the PNAC-Cheney plan for Central Asian oil, i.e. trying to build pipelines through Afghanistan (TAPI) to get the oil (from fields leased by Exxon & Chevron) to Pakistan, India and world markets:
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/5003
The dead silence on this in an election year is not too surprising, perhaps – although you’d think the troop deployment would bring some media interest.
“The World is an evil place, not because of those that do evil, but because of those that look on and do nothing”.
This, thanks to the fearless journalists at The Intercept, has now begun to change.
Great news about the early release date for Barrett Brown too.
Great news about
Ai Weiwei on China – but applicable to the United States, too:
Dangerous words from Ai Weiwei’s Little Black Book, “Weiwei-isms”
The American government doesn’t like it any more than the Chinese or Russian government does:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/weiwei-isms-by-ai-weiwei-trans-larry-warsh-8446379.html
Good news! Barrett Brown has received an official early release date of November 29th. This is unexpected — maybe they are sick and tired of his award-wining, often prison-focused pieces here and want the spotlight off of them.
I sure hope he continue as a columnist here at The Intercept.
Or (also a fan) he signed a nondisclosure agreement.
Not sure what youre trying to say?.
What would an nda have to do with bb getting released early? Its not like he works for the bop or anything.
No. That would be shutting the barn door after the horses had bolted. Moreover, it would be unconstitutional and thus unenforceable.
Poetic justice.
Barrett is one of my Favs here! His ‘prison stories’ are side-splitting hilarious and I have no doubt ‘the authorities’ are happy to see him go! :)~
*Iirc, ‘early release’ usually means he took some extra ‘probation time’ on the back end (i.e. ‘if they can’t fuck you one way, they’ll fuck you another.’)?
I really like Barrett Brown, this Intercept post was inspired by his work:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/09/barrett-brown-the-fact-of-sisyphus/?comments=1#comment-252877
The report from Greenpeace protesters in Russian jails, this is worth remembering:
P.S. bahhummingbug told me once I was wrong for supporting the initial invasion of Afghanistan. . . which I’m still thinking about, due to his comment. Was Afghanistan justified? Clearly Iraq was a mega war crime. . . but could OBL have been caught by other means, than the Afghan invasion? Which didn’t even capture OBL, and yet spawned the longest military occupation in U.S. history, longer than Vietnam?
Yet the Afghan occupation has been written out of the election year debate – dead silence, across the board, despite Obama committing 9,000 soldiers to it, passing it on to whoever comes next. . .
See, good comments make you think about things like this, can make you challenge your assumptions.
Was Afghanistan justified?
28 pages say no.
Is he the guy who got sent to prison for pasting some links to some credit card numbers? The past month whoever has been doing all the false flag “nation state hacking has been plastering the internet with ssn, telephone numbers, addresses, credit cards and you name it of democratic donors and members of congress. what is going to happen to these guys?
http://ironnetcyber.com/board-directors.html
Not hardly. Brown is an excellent journalist and essayist whom the FBI was investigating for the Stratfor email leak. When they executed a search warrant on his mom he went kinda nuts and posted this very unwise Youtube video that could be characterized as threatening a federal agent. (Brown has had problems with drug addition and apparently relapsed during these events, which seems to be why he made that video.)
They probably have him under their control for a few years yet. Too bad because there seems to be a link between what he was investigating; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame,_Inc. and all the false flag “Nation State” hacking going on now. Iron Net.
Endgame was started in 2008 by Chris Rouland and other executives who previously worked with the CIA and ISS. In October 2010 it saw an investment of 29 million USD, raised from Bessemer Ventures, Columbia Capital, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (KPCB), and TechOperators.[8] The company offers commercial web-based malware detection services, defensive digital security intelligence and big data analysis software.[9][10][11][12]
Endgame was started in 2008 by Chris Rouland and other executives who previously worked with the CIA and ISS. In October 2010 it saw an investment of 29 million USD, raised from Bessemer Ventures, Columbia Capital, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (KPCB), and TechOperators. The company offers commercial web-based malware detection services, defensive digital security intelligence and big data analysis software
In February 2011, the company announced partnerships with HP and IBM to use Endgame’s IP Reputation Intelligence service within HP’s TippingPoint Digital Vaccine service and IBM’s managed services offerings. That same month emails sent to HB Gary from Endgame were leaked which revealed that the company sold zero-day vulnerabilities.
I thought we defeated the Nazis in WWII. Who knew that they actually won?
Great info linking the NSA to this, quite irrefutable.
From the above images it is clear that a FoxAid server tag (url) MUST have the SECONDDATE “string” for SD attacks – so does that imply that at each location this string was found, there is also the address/url of a FoxAcid server?
As Altone complained in another thread, there have been some issues with getting comments to post in the comments to this participial article. So I’m trying yet again to let Kitt and all know that the commenter at Salon whom Glenn accurately labeled an “embittered liar” was 0ndelette,”*, not 0m00ex.* The latter as best I recall was a great guy.
*Using zeroes rather than Os to see if that’s why the software has thrice refused comments on this issue.
That’s correct. That user name was rattling and rebounding around in my memory bank as I was trying to recall it, but I just couldn’t quite get it to spring forth.
Gawd, last nite, and then again this morning, I fucking could not get a comment about this to post. I finally do and it refers to this “participial article.”
#justkillmenow
Anyway, this isn’t the first time some weird name will not go thru the software here, but others are complaining about problems in general with getting comments posted in this specific thread. [shrug]
Oh yes Onedelette. Coram Fave. Useful Idiots muse.
I have had difficulty getting a comment box to open on this article. Posting has worked fine though once I have gotten one to open (for the most part). Maybe a problem with the script not loading properly on the site?
I responded to Kitt late ish last night (and I’m a morning person.) that it was Ondelette … Glenn (allegedly, as I didn’t see it) called a wretched “embittered liar”!
The comment didn’t take (and hasn’t, shrug.).
*I don’t know about ‘liar’, but the animosity between both Glenn and Ondelette seemed pretty dang ‘bitter’!! I suspected something ‘personal’ going on there … so I figured it was noone of my business.
No. Ondelette has been banned and denounced at multiple sites, including FireDogLake. He gets a fixation on a writer and then accuses them of vile and baseless things. Glenn became one of his hateful fixations.
It’s too bad, because Ondelette is actually very knowledgeable. But apparently wherever he goes he alienates many.
No. 0ndelette* has been deleted and denounced at other sites as well, including FireDogLake. (Jane and others couldn’t abide him) He becomes fixated an a writer(s) and spews vile and baseless things about them. Glenn became one of his fixations.
It’s too bad, because 0ndelette is very knowledgeable, but he apparently alienates many wherever he goes online.
*No doubt my first version of this will post eventually, but spelling the name correctly yet again caused it not to post for now.
Wasn’t 0ndelette also suspected of also being the user “Shooter-242″? I thought I recalled that from back in those days.
Geez, I don’t recall that and it certainly wasn’t me. Ondy is many things, but stupid as well as wingnut are not among them. And Shooter, well.
As Altone complained in another thread, there have been some issues with getting comments to post in the comments to this participial article. So I’m trying yet again to let Kitt and all know that the commenter at Salon whom Glenn accurately labeled an “embittered liar” was Ondelette,”, not 0m00ex.* The latter as best I recall was a great guy.
*Using zeroes rather than Os to see if that’s why the software has thrice refused a comment with this name in it.
As Altone complained in another thread, there have been some issues with getting comments to post in the comments to this participial article. So I’m trying yet again to let Kitt and all know that the commenter at Salon whom Glenn accurately labeled an “embittered liar” was Ondelette,”, not Omooex. The latter as best I recall was a great guy.
@InterceptStaff
The Foxacid SOP references an exploitation tool codenamed EasyHookup used to attack removable devices. There is no data in the public domain currently regarding this tool. It would be a benefit to all if any data you may have about this tool and how it works were published. It would be possible to create defenses and patch bugs.
NSA-USA brings democracy to the world! Yea! Lie!
Maybe they bring Zika to the world?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR
Which of the two parties is clean enough to actually investigate and try the perpetrators for treason? Stein promised Snowden a cabinet position.
PresObama put top B$CEOs in key government positions to quietly undo all the good he promised so he could get their votes!! Snowden has a conscience, not a liar under oath as CrookdClintons.
We will have to have a new breed of politician.
Human germline modification
At least four labs in the US, labs in China and the UK, and a US biotechnology company called Ovascience announced plans or ongoing research to apply CRISPR to human embryos. Scientists, including a CRISPR co-inventor, urged a worldwide moratorium on applying CRISPR to the human germline, especially for clinical use. They said “scientists should avoid even attempting, in lax jurisdictions, germline genome modification for clinical application in humans” until the full implications “are discussed among scientific and governmental organizations”. These scientists support basic research on CRISPR and do not see CRISPR as developed enough for any clinical use in making heritable changes to people.
In April 2015, Chinese scientists reported results of an attempt to alter the DNA of non-viable human embryos using CRISPR to correct a mutation that causes beta thalassemia, a lethal heritable disorder. The study had previously been rejected by both Nature and Science in part because of ethical concerns; the journals had no comment. The experiments resulted in changing only some genes, and had off-target effects on other genes. The researchers stated that CRISPR is not ready for clinical application in reproductive medicine.” In April 2016 Chinese scientists were reported to have made a second unsuccessful attempt to alter the DNA of non-viable human embryos using CRISPR – this time to alter the CCR5 gene to make the embryo HIV resistant.
In December 2015, the International Summit on Human Gene Editing took place in Washington under the guidance of David Baltimore. Members of national scientific academies of America, Britain and China discussed the ethics of germline modification. They agreed to support basic and clinical research under appropriate legal and ethical guidelines. A specific distinction was made between clinical use in somatic cells, where the effects of edits are limited to a single individual, versus germline cells, where genome changes could be inherited by future generations. Heritable modifications could have unintended and far-reaching consequences for human evolution, genetically (e.g. gene/environment interactions) and culturally (e.g. Social Darwinism). Altering of gametocytes and embryos to generate inheritable changes in humans was thus claimed irresponsible. In addition, they agreed to initiate an international forum to address such concerns and harmonize regulations countries.
In February 2016, British scientists were given permission by regulators to genetically modify human embryos by using CRISPR-Cas9 and related techniques. The embryos were to be destroyed after seven days.
It’s too bad all of this came out because of a lot of valuable techniques were lost as a result. As for when to clue in manufacturers about product defects, I think the NSA should do that whenever they detect an exploit being used by someone or some group not of strategic interest to NSA. Obviously, if they see a foreign power up to no good, they will want to monitor it and see what they are up to. But if it is just a group of criminals, then it is time to let the manufacturer know and get the flaw patched.
What if NSA detects a private co. run by a former directors using the exploits to effect USA elections and boost the market for their product?
How is the bitcoin auction going? Maybe they will release another tease that includes some more recently enhanced exploits?
My guess is theyd all lie and do everything possible to cover it up? I havent been too impressed with any part of the military-industrial complex’s willingness (lack thereof) to take responsibility for screwing up. Obama got away with saying ‘we tortured some folks’ and having kill lists. Clapper told bald-faced lies and covered up massive crimes to humanity under oath and it didnt make a scintilla of difference that he did so or that he committed perjury. There is no question about all of that. And that is why it is utterly ridiculous.
“It’s too bad all of this came out because of a lot of valuable techniques were lost as a result. As for when to clue in manufacturers about product defects, I think the NSA should do that whenever they detect an exploit being used by someone or some group not of strategic interest to NSA.”
Brilliant. You guys are just too effing strategically savvy.
Who else could come up with something as clever as having “Made in China” stamped on Cisco’s routers while spending billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of ‘man’ hours stalking and harassing the innocuous?
The US’ mix of out-sourcing based business & geo-strategic acumen has made Sun Tzu and Machiavelli look like babes in the woods. The Great American people can (and do) rest easy. Russia and China don’t stand a chance against you. You should continue preparations along Russia’s western border and keep sending the Navy and USAF to rile up China — just because you can.
“It’s too bad all of this came out because of a lot of valuable techniques were lost as a result. As for when to clue in manufacturers about product defects, I think the NSA should do that whenever they detect an exploit being used by someone or some group not of strategic interest to NSA.”
Brilliant. You guys are just too effing strategically savvy.
Who else could come up with something as clever as having “Made in China” stamped on Cisco’s routers while spending billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of ‘man’ hours stalking and harassing the innocuous?
The US’ mix of out-sourcing based business & geo-strategic accumen has made Sun Tzu and Machiavelli look like babes in the woods. The Great American people can (and do) rest easy. Russia and China don’t stand a chance against you. You should continue preparations along Russia’s western border and keep sending the Navy and USAF to rile up China — just because you can.
They will have new ones made after firmware updates. Do you ever get that feeling they do this on purpose? So companies create new vulnerabilities by method of patch one thing break another?
Store bought hard drives have been infected for years now.
Best part is to go along with it. Results they put you on some controlled Network and you will see old rehashed news of things that already happened some of things years prior. You will find expensive software easily available for free, free music, free movies. A few other dirty things.
They are run by pussies. They are usually to scared to show up individually to a persons house. They do this in the Bay Area all the time to people. NSA deserves it and a whole lot more.
America does also for allowing it.
Right up to the seat of that POS in the Whitehouse while his skanky daughter twerked it out.
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/theintercept_20160819_nsa-hacked-snowden-documents-confirm/
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Sun Aug 21 03:15:06 EDT 2016
Like a year ago (prior to that NYTimes article Mona cited) people who know well about that kind of stuff (some of them victims themselves) started noticing a lot of “Monas” out there forcibly associating terms such as non-consensual human experimentation, mind control and MK-Ultra with “satanic sects”, “iluminati cr@p”, “the Church of Scientology”, “alien civilizations”, … We all realized those were just psy ops because people at large in the U.S. seemed to start getting a sense of what was going on …
We wondered who (what kind of Mona ;-)) that NYTimes assistant editor Mike McPhate was, since no one had ever heard of him. Notice how that he does not know or actually research any of it. He just recycles videos posted on youtube and sprinkled them with adjectives and contrived connotations.
Mona spends an incredible amount of her time making up stuff herself which then she cites to support her own opinions (and she is a lawyer, you know ;-))
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/09/fbis-shared-responsibility-committees-to-identify-radicalized-muslims-raises-alarms/?comments=1#comment-219716
I wonder how many times have posters at TI used the NYTimes to back their opinions. As of late Mona is not only resorting to the “Nazi defense” but also abysmally citing the NYTimes as if that carries any credit. If she wasn’t Mona I would have asked her if she was OK ;-)
Her idol friend himself has extensively reported on JTRIG:
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/?comments=1#comments
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/22/controversial-gchq-unit-domestic-law-enforcement-propaganda/?comments=1#comments
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/07/psychologists-work-gchq-deception-unit-inflames-debate-among-peers/?comments=1#comments
https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/behavioural-science-support-jtrig/
As David Voigts explains in this article
USG has always done so, they never stopped MK-Ultra kinds of “experiments”
// __ CIA Mind Control Techniques_ MK-ULTRA Program Brainwashing Experiments Documentary (1979)
youtube.com/watch?v=upToH3DSM9E
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// __ Is The Government Still Running A Mind Control Program?
youtube.com/watch?v=RxuBuJDY7o8
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// __ Age of Fear: Psychiatry’s Reign of Terror
youtube.com/watch?v=YA_MwaRLzm8
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// __ Human Torture in the name of Science
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQy6xVkiQuV56BeoRHj0E8pO902z1QP5E
~
By the way I have repeatedly argued with Stan (whom I know personally) about his ways to deal with our kinds of problems. I have also suggested to him repeatedly to stop the constant offensive and counterproductive ping-pong especially with Mona in this public hangout. At times he has been very offensive to me too, but I have chosen not to waste my time and effort fighting, being disrespectful to him since it is very clear to me who my worthwhile enemies are. We have managed to keep as friends.
RCL
That is false. In point of fact, I never do that. Ever. Rather, I copiously document my fact claims with recourse to reputable sources, who almost never are myself. Even the Rational Wiki piece on Targeted Individuals was not written solely by me; there were a dozen or so other contributors.
@RCL
“Mona spends an incredible amount of her time making up stuff ”
I don’t really believe this at all. If anything, Mona uses as many facts from different sources, but usually relies on Greenwald’s pieces. To be sure, she defends Greenwald at almost all cost.
But I think it’s a stretch to say Mona makes stuff up on a regular basis. Perhaps you could give an example?
I’m actually surprised to hear you say this. I know you push her hard to not defend Greenwald’s position as you disagree with his releases on Snowden (from my recollection of reading your blog) but challenging her on principles is not the same thing as saying she makes stuff up.
That is also false. If anything, I rely primarily on Max Blumenthal, Ali Abunimah, Ben Norton and a variety of other writers on the Israel-Palestine issue.
Also false. On several issues he and I strongly disagree and have slogged it out online, both on Twitter and in this space. I know him well, however, and am thus positioned to set the record straight when the myriad inanities and falsehoods about him show up.
Absolutely. Thanks.
Where you’ve indicated ‘false’ on my comments, I accept your analysis. I was writing on what I’ve seen at TI in a very short time. So, I’m totally willing to accept that my knowledge base is limited in this area.
ie….I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. ;)
Thank you. It’s not at all new for me to have people accuse me of being a Glenn “sycophant” and that sort of thing. It is true I very much admire him — for reasons that caused us to become friends in the first place. He’s a clinical genius who could have made many millions rapidly and the usual way, but talked away from that path because he can’t live without putting his intellect in the service of his principled passions.
My intellect is not remotely as stellar as his, but I share that inability to apply my life to the pursuit of money. This is not bragging or to my credit (I’m something of a determinist); it’s just my personality.
Such people are rare. I’ll always admire him. (Even tho as a determinist I do not, at bottom, think admiration is logical.) But we do sometimes disagree, and when we do the feathers can fly.
“talked away”
LOL, I guess he did that, too. But I meant “walked.”
I have screenshots of your editorial work at RationalWiki on the subject of targeted individuals. They will be of historic importance in the future when The Intercept is finally and positively outed as colluding with the govt.
Knock yourself out.
Damn, getting late, can’t even type straight..
The best defense is a good offense….you’re hitting homeruns..
Yes, these Stasi are out of control, a metasticized cancer on the body politic. And hate to say it but The Intercept is enabling its worst abuses.
Sorry, the reply button isn’t working, but yes, a good defense is a good offense!
You’re doing a good thing by sharing your knowledge, as Trump would say, believe me : )
What’s wrong with America/the world? PASSWORDS. Everybody shouldn’t have to be James Bond to buy underwear and balance their checkbook.
Hahaha…sorry, I meant to type Cheney, instead of Rummy. Kind of a Freudian Slip in a way, as I love saying “Rummy” in a George Bush Jr. accent..
Anyways, if anyone wants a good laugh, this GWB parody is pretty funny..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JX-Bx0BETQ&app=desktop
…..”So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
AMY GOODMAN: I’m sorry. What did you say his name was?
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I’m not going to give you his name.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
Paul Wolfowitz and “Rummy” rear their ugly heads again:
..from the General Wesley Clark “admission” that the US plan was to “regime change” 7 Middle Eastern countries in 5 years when Amy Goodman interviewed him in 2007:
“AMY GOODMAN: Now, let’s talk about Iran. You have a whole website devoted to stopping war.
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Www. Stopiranwar.com.
AMY GOODMAN: Do you see a replay in what happened in the lead-up to the war with Iraq — the allegations of the weapons of mass destruction, the media leaping onto the bandwagon?
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, in a way. But, you know, history doesn’t repeat itself exactly twice. What I did warn about when I testified in front of Congress in 2002, I said if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn’t be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration, wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran.
I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
“This was on or about the 20th of September.”
Funny, on 9/18 the first set of anthrax letters were mailed out to media organizations; the only result was the death of Bob Stevens, American Media employee. Several other media organizations received such letters, but no national panic was sparked.
Therefore, on 10/9, another set of anthrax letters was mailed out, this time to the Senate – and they were a potent formulation, such that weaponized anthrax spores that leaked out of the letters killed several post office employees, and sparked a national panic when they landed in Senator Tom Daschle’s office on 10/15/2001.
In the resulting panic, the letters were sent to Fort Detrick for analysis. Fort Detrick was a strictly analytical facility, however; they had no capacity to produce such material. They were highly alarmed, worried that the anthrax might also include smallpox, which might spark an epidemic:
See: “The Anthrax Skulls” Richard Preston, in his book, “The Demon in the Freezer”
so the crash teams hatched this whole plan – correographed perfectly from the start, months to a year or more in advance, and nothing went wrong and there was no plan b, no change of plans, with no other help, each scattered about doing this and that like a dance with reservations in advance…..
ecommcon
Barabbas, I’ve seen you using this word “ecommcon” quite a lot. Can you explain what it means?
The reference is a cute inside joke for some of the other intellectually stunted SocPup associates he plays with here.
For anyone not participating in infant-ops, see the film “Seven Days in May”, about a foiled military coup in the US (screenplay by Rod Serling), released a few months after JFK was murdered. Otherwise, you already know what it means and why he keeps repeating the acronym.
Thanks. Emergency Communications Control?
So the claim that Cheney’s office sent out anthrax in letters isn’t just as farfetched that the govt. is torturing Americans w/neuroweapons which actually gave been widely documented. Cognitive dissonance comes in all shspes & sizes I suppose.
PR monkeys come in all shapes and sizes, too. . .
Yes, and by my guess you’re making good buck writing disinfo as you so well described it above. You tell a great fantastical story about Cheney (which I believe by the way), then serve up your real purpose here: to discredit TIs’ complaints which pale compared to your story. I mean if you can believe Cheney’s staff actually sent out anthrax made in a Utah govt. chemical laboratory what’s so hard to believe the mikitary’s using emfs on citizens? After three years and a loss of about $15k on controlled opposition, I’m pretty sure I can recognize the bullshit well now. But you do tell a good story.
The Wolfowitz doctrine, per Wikipedia:
“Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) authored by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitzand his deputy Scooter Libby. Not intended for public release, it was leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992,[1] and sparked a public controversy about U.S. foreign and defense policy. The document was widely criticized as imperialist as the document outlined a policy ofunilateralism and pre-emptive military action to suppress potential threats from other nations and prevent any other nation from rising to superpower status.
Such was the outcry that the document was hastily re-written under the close supervision of U.S. Secretary of DefenseDick Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell before being officially released on April 16, 1992. Many of its tenets re-emerged in the Bush Doctrine,[2] which was described by Senator Edward M. Kennedy as “a call for 21st century American imperialism that no other nation can or should accept.”[3]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
Ahh, remember when media outlets like The New York Times used to have some integrity? Back when we could “rely” on them, and other respectable news agencies to give us some hard-hitting, investigative, muck-raking, honest to goodness “reporting”? Like when they leaked the “Wolfowitz Doctrine” in March of 1992?
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/08/world/us-strategy-plan-calls-for-insuring-no-rivals-develop.html?pagewanted=all
“In contrast, the new draft sketches a world in which there is one dominant military power whose leaders “must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.” “
I weep for the loss of a NYTimes with integrity. The nation is suffering because of it. Is it Baquet’s fault? Does he too bow to the oligarchy? Don’t answer; we know.
I believe the death knell really began under the reign of Bill Keller with the New York Times cheerleading for the Iraq War while also keeping many of the secrets of the Bush administration from the American people.
It’s really not for them to decide for us.
Joe, my buddy, there is not such a thing as “stupid people” trying to understand TheIntercept.
As I have been pointing out, it is more like TheIntercept is, stupidly indeed, obfuscating and divesting their language of any connection with real reality to the point of making virtually impossible for the average Joe and Jane out there to understand them.
Basically, the NSA left lying around a copy of the master keys they use to routinely break in our homes. With those keys they have to all our apartments, they can also redirect our TV channel, telephone calls, electrical power cables, water pipes, … and, for example, change the channels of what we are watching to whatever they choose, change the content of the water pipes … all of it real time without you and me even noticing it. In addition to all you have ever said, eaten, done … your whereabouts with centimetric precision … during your whole life.
RCL
Lol@ the hack named MASTERSHAKE
I feared that would happen. Unfortunately, TheIntercept has “ethically” gotten to the point of creating parallel realities for themselves. They can keep talking as much sh!t as they wish; the NSA/USG and the MSM can keep us the proles quiet, entertained; and we the proles never really got a true sense of the moral and civic dimension and scope of what they are up to.
As you have been surely noticing I was one the few that has been trying to make theIntercept get out of their rhetorical comfort zone and try to achieve something concrete, which I very much doubt you can attain through pontificating, philosophizing and tut-tut pieces of ascetically “redacted” news.
So, theIntercept doesn’t “review” the articles “with the NSA”, whose only statements to the world have always been that all they do is legal, above board and heavily scrutinized up, down and sideways … If all the NSA does is so “God blessed”, morally right and open why does theIntercept “ethically”, “responsibly” redact their documents? “ask” them for “their ‘suggestions'”? Also, there is thing called self-imposed censorship, restrain; which is the best kind. You would even dress it as “ethical journalism”.
About: “To my knowledge The Intercept has never taken their suggestions” … I think you read English perfectly well, so, you could take Glenn Greenwald’s own statements for what they mean:
// __ Glenn Greenwalds partner David Miranda threatens legal action
youtube.com/watch?v=Uresc7PT3XM
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This is the only time I have seen Glenn drop his jogo bello stance, ready to forget about his rhetorical boxing style. Yet, I find that, if not hypocritical, very much questionable. Miranda was merely stopped in the UK for 8 hours (and he seems to have been sh!tting in his pants). Glenn went berserk, however he “ethically” protects the immunity of those “innocent” (as he says) USG officials abusively invading countries based on outright lies, and torturing and killing thousands of people and “freedom lovingly” destroying whole countries.
Who are you to be telling people what they should do and imposing your “logical logic” on people?
RCL
Is there supposed to be something in your comment that suggests that my explanation was incorrect?
As for this: “if all the NSA does is so “God blessed”, morally right and open” // You’ll have to ask the NSA. I simply cynically repeated their boilerplate, because that’s what they always respond with.
Though we would have to “reconvene” a “fair and balanced” comission on just what led up to nine eleven if you were prez, because I ain’t “buying” the “official” version..
Photosymbiosis, your two “articles” down below are must reading for anyone who considers themself a “critical” thinker..which should be everyone..
Thanks for taking the time to share your considerable knowledge combined with a true “fair and balanced” perspective…I’m learning a lot from reading your posts, and to be fair, I’m learning a lot from reading many peoples’ posts here..lot’s of knowledgeable and good people writing here on these forums, is obvious…
I might just do a “write-in vote” for “photosymbiosis”..: )
likewise
Here’s some more interesting stuff on this:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/08/cisco-firewall-exploit-shows-how-nsa-decrypted-vpn-traffic/
Imagine if the NSA devoted all its time and effort to strengthening security for the internet, tracking down zero-day exploits and immediately publicizing them, instead of acting as an Orwellian STASI outfit, devoted to undermining internet security? And what are the consequences of weakened internet security?
For example, you’d think nuclear power plants would be restricted from having any kind of Internet access, but this is not the case:
A complete security overhaul of nuclear power plants in the wake of these tools being released seems like a good idea, but the costs would be high, and that would cut into the private utility profits and dividend payouts, and gosh, we can’t have that, can we? What will it take to wake people up to the risks, Fukushima America?
I thought The Intercept and the Guardian had a policy of reviewing these articles with the NSA before publication to get their positions on what needs to be redacted for security concerns. If so by any chance can we learn of what they said for this article?
The Intercept doesn’t “review” the articles “with the NSA.” They inform them that they are in the process of a publication which will be including specific documents. They ask for any input in the way of corrections or redactions that the NSA might suggest. To my knowledge The Intercept has never taken their suggestions and the NSA just mails in a robotic, boilerplate statement assuring the world how everything they do is legal, above board and heavily scrutinized up, down and sideways.
Are you an editor here? If not, how would you have knowledge of internal editing process? Are you the site’s liaison with the NSA?
Are you an editor at the site? If not, how would you know what the editorial process is? Are you the liaison between the site & the NSA?
No, I’ve read numerous of the articles at The Intercept. Glenn and others have, several times, explained what I’ve summarized in my comment. I imagine that disappoints you but it’s really not that spooky or complicated or nefarious.
Why would that disappoint me? Weird comment. You write with a haughty authority here so I assumed you have a formal if unspoken role. Actually relieved that you don’t. You perform poor public relations for this hangout.
Because you asked a snarky and stupid question, which you doubled down on with your “haughty authority” snark, which, again shows why you’d be disappointed that I answered your question simply and logically.
God you’re obnoxious.
What is snarky or stupid about: ‘Are you an editor at the site? If not, how would you know what the editorial process is? Are you the liaison between the site & the NSA?’
All pretty strsightforward.
Kitt, your interlocutor is possibly “one of those.” S/he is clearly less than, shall we say, reasonable.
Are you an editor here? If not how would you know the editing process? Are you the site’s liaison with the NSA?
Observer…I see most of your questions as stupid, and I believe you’re seeking favor from a government agency that you don’t know how they operate. Stop reading the Intercept if you don’t like what they publish. I personally don’t like FoxNews, CNN, BBC and Washington Post, so I stopped reading/visiting their sites. If you don’t believe in independent media then you’re lost.
Stop reading the Intercept.
Good advice even if from a less-than-discerning reader. I think many here should take your advice.
The Intercept is “independent media”. What a stupid thing to imply.
The whole thread is rather silly. Each misconstruing and taking further offence. Anyway, I was under the impression The Guardian will no longer be covering NSA leaks/documents since the hard drive murder in the basement.
See you out and about the ship. ;)
BTW, Kitt, the commenter Glenn called an “embittered liar” (for a very good reason, i.e., the truth) was Ondelette. That was at Salon.
Another great Intercept article on an important subject. Interesting to see how billions of taxpayer funds are wasted in these computer games. Surely the big players in “intelligence” are well aware of the NSA’s capabilities.
And lower lever targets (ISIS, al Qaeda, al Shabab, Boko Harum, etc.) are not likely to have computer networks or put much secret stuff on them. They are evil, not stupid.
So the main victims of the NSA Big Brotherism are ordinary citizens here and abroad. Lots of blackmail potential I suspect gets “intercepted.”
Since all of this is kept “hush-hush” supposedly to protect Americans, it will be decades or longer before the true uselessness and cost of this hacking is known. A giant scam for certain.
As actual military professionals admit, there is nothing more ephemeral than a “military secret.” The Soviets long had everyone bugged decades ago, yet how did that help them survive?
Way too many smart people being wasted on US govt spying software. In what way is this billions of dollars contributing to “winning” multiple wars against primitive and mainly illiterate official enemies in Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc.?
And there is the ago old defense against such spying: creating and distributing false information designed to be intercepted and mislead the spies. This has been done for centuries. I’m sure the Russians, Chinese, etc. have a lot of “secret” stuff on computers which NSA dutifully steals and peddles as intelligence. Like all of those WMD’s in Iraq, which didn’t exist.
Garbage In, Garbage Out. Only now it costs billions annually to steal the garbage and process the terabytes of the stuff. Our supposed leaders would be better off reading history books or traveler accounts from decades back. That tells you what people and their places are like, then and now.
Of course billions in defense contracts and tens of thousands of highly paid computer geeks would lose out. Historians and librarians work too cheap to be of any interest. So the NSA Wizards of Oz will continue their vital work defending The Homeland.
I’m running a legit life – if you want to get inside my fucking computer you NSA hacks – you better fucking ask me. God forbid I ever discover your true identity, it’s Marine against SPY! I don’t give up or forget.
Quantum computing is slowly going from science fiction to futuristic vision
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Experiments_at_Space_Scale
I still don’t get what they mean when they say that they need “line-of-sight” if they are talking about quantum entanglement
We will certainly be able to test if “God is on our side” or “God blessed ‘America'”
What will the NSA do with their @ss if communication via quantum entanglement becomes feasible and commercial?!?!? Will they declare quantum mechanics terroristic, evil?
RCL
Now we’re talking. Mona and Kitt?
So who’s the consensus candidate for the US presidency here at TI, Stein?
What difference do you think it makes?
Voting my conscience and principles as nearly I can.
Conscience and principles wither with each intelligence briefing.
That will have little effect on the structure of the Central Committee and the Politburo; voting these days has minimal effect on anything except cosmetic factors. The POTUS is not as powerful as people seem to think; it’s more of a lackey position. There really is a “state within a state” that has maintained its power and influence for quite a few decades now, regardless of how the (s)elections turn out.
This is pretty well revealed in this quote from General Michael Hayden, ex-NSA, ex-CIA, still in bed with CIA/NSA private contractors, on whether Snowden should get amnesty for whistleblowing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YkLS95qDjI
You know what that is? That’s a threat. That’s Hayden implying that he and his cohort might do something like sabotage politicians who support amnesty for Snowden via NSA hacking, if not allow (or encourage) terrorist attacks inside the United States, or who knows what – a cyberattack on the electrical grid? – but it is a threat, the equivalent of the military threatening to conduct a coup if the generals don’t get what they want. Watch Hayden, watch his demeanor as he says that – it’s pretty obvious where he’s coming from.
The cash flow from these programs into the pockets of these people has been immense; they live as millionaires do, with all the government perks – just like Soviet functionaries under Brezhnev, with their Black Sea villas and access to decadent Western treats, while the Russia people lived under austerity and deprivation. They don’t want that to end.
This is why this state-within-a-state is the greatest threat to American democracy that exists today; far more of a threat than terrorists or any foreign governments are. Our rigged election process will do little to change this, I’m afraid. And even Bernie Sanders, as a Congressman, was in bed with military-industrial contractors, working hard to get their programs into Vermont.
The only way out is to cut that defense budget down to size – 75% reduction across the board would make sense. That means closing a lot of overseas bases, that means huge cuts in defense contractor profits – the whole circus feel threatened by this. Rather than allow this, they’d try to bring the country to its knees, is what Hayden is saying.
Furthermore, when Hayden says that he and his colleagues didn’t “violate their oath of office,” he’s full of it. Part of that oath is to uphold the Constitution of the United States, including the Bill of Rights, and these people trampled all over that with their mass surveillance programs. Every low-level whistleblower who tried to uphold that oath, from Drake to Binney has been subjected to vicious harrassment by the FBI; that’s undeniable.
So if we want to talk about traitors to the Constitution and enemies of the American people, well, at the top of the list are Hayden, Alexander, Clapper and their followers and associates. Any elected offical who challenges their power risks being hacked by the NSA and having any embarrassing material leaked online, at the very least.
So sure, vote for Stein, because it doesn’t matter whether Trump or Clinton are elected, both have called for increased military budgets. But don’t expect your vote to influence the fundamentals much.
So doesn’t Stein’s call to cut military spending by 50% come closest to your suggested 75% cut than any other candidate that ran, including Bernie?
Stein it is then, right, if you’re voting principle and conscience?
There are a hundred thousand people in the American intelligence community
100,000?
i recall the cost of running the US gov is twice the cash in.
This is a preposterous number of people
Wallstreet has been counterfeiting money by counterfeiting value with their criminal loan pricing growth ponzi currency scheme and the Keiser Report #949 shows the current condition.
The economy is going to collapse and wallstreet knows this.
This is why they want hellary and the TPP and wars.
But everyone knows this.
What they dont know… is wallstreet’s role in 911 which actually failed.
ecommcon.
You identified two major problems with U.S. elections: 1) the state-within-a-state; and 2) the fact that the electoral system itself is totally corrupt and broken (the duopoly, private campaign contributions, lack of proportional representation, etc.). Both of these problems need to be fixed if we’re going to have anything resembling a representative government.
I do disagree on one point, however: a president should NOT have that much power; the House of Representatives should have the power (the House of Lords aka the Senate should be eliminated). The House is far more representative than any one person could ever be (though none are representative in our current system, see my comments above). A parliamentary system like other countries have would be far more representative than the executive one that we have, the latter allowing tyrannical actions like vetoing legislation. The president should be more of a figurehead and commander-in-chief, not a ruler.
Yes, I agree, I’m all for weakening the power of the presidency, but an independent president not beholden to billionaires is also a good idea; ideally we have restoration of checks and balances and good separation of powers (Cheney & Co. tried really hard to overthrow that and set up Bush as a sock-puppet-dictator under their control).
4.5) you can also used temporarily spoofed MAC addresses
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MAC_address_spoofing
in fact you could do this each time a new browser first session is started
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RCL
Most of them are well-known shills. They think regulars here don’t notice, can’t tell apart things, but as they say “keep the dogs quiet”.
I also think that at the end of the day if the information about Snowden leaks doesn’t reach “we the people” out there and it is “redacted” and presented with no teeth whatsoever, theIntercept, counterproductively indeed, is helping habituate those memes in our collective minds as “normal”
Imagine TheIntercept stops their jogo bello, Nazi defense b#llsh!t and does publish leaks in a way that makes it possible for APA to actually void the professional licenses of psychologists working as part of their torture gangs and indict “high ranking” patriots with concrete material for a prosecution! Come on! Glenn is a lawyer, he certainly knows what we have been talking about for a long time, he just chooses to go for a rhetorical approach and protect the impunity of the agents behind the actions he is supposedly criticizing.
RCL
Let me get this straight……..the US/NSAis pissed that someone broke the law and hacked into the servers?
The WHOLE F*CKING NSA IS ILLEGAL!!! 100% in violation of the US Constitution. And 100% in violation of your Oath to defend America against enemies foreign and domestic. You beak your Oath to the Constitution and work for Government, you become TYRANTS!!!
And what do TYRANTS DESERVE?
Yes, they used as vector an infected DVD courtesy of Mosad some idiot played on one of their computers, but pmshah’s point is still valid, they should have removed all CD/DVD cadies, even removed or severed their hardware components, the same with USB ports (which should not have been even compiled into the kernel), and, yes, I mean going back to the good PS/2 ports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_port), only statically load modules, totally isolate their own networks off the Internet and have layers of Intranet …
Iran can easily do that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
// __ STUXNET: The Virus that Almost Started WW3
youtube.com/watch?v=7g0pi4J8auQ
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// __ Stuxnet: Computer worm opens new era of warfare
youtube.com/watch?v=6WmaZYJwJng
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// __ Stuxnet decoder Ralph Langner speaks about Stuxnet
youtube.com/watch?v=n7UVyVSDSxY
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https://theintercept.com/2015/02/10/nsa-iran-developing-sophisticated-cyber-attacks-learning-attacks/?comments=1#comments
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/stuxnet-was-work-of-us-and-israeli-experts-officials-say/2012/06/01/gJQAlnEy6U_story.html
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RCL
Is it ethical for a retired cyber warrior to use his trophy cyber weapons while continuing to ply his trade in the very profitable private sector?
“If I retired from the Army as a brain surgeon, wouldn’t it be OK for me to go into private practice and make money doing brain surgery?” he asked. “I’m a cyber guy. Can’t I go to work and do cyber stuff?”
Thanks General
Because of your comment I had this brief fantasy Hayden gets nailed as the ShadowBrokers.
Thank you for that.
I think ShadowBroker left an obvious trail that starts inside TAO two days after Keith Alexander’s “retirement announcement”.
I think ShadowBroker has lifted the Iron Net so we can clearly see who has been doing all the recent “NationState” hacking.
Say, you’re leaving the “s” off that pseudonym, so maybe I’ll just fantasize it’s both. I thought about Hayden “selling” counterintelligence at Chertoff.
Pfft. Without young, smart, talented operators like Snowden … I bet old farts like Hayden would get hacked in a cup of coffee./
Maybe true, bah, but Hayden’s ability after running multiple shows for so long, to have his own warehouse full of “talented operators,” isn’t lost on me, either. Also, other Big Brother Directors have been rumored quite “talented” at code comprehension.
Ethical? Are you kidding me? Engaging in a skill/career to better society is always ethical.
Working for governments that steal from individuals (by force) to fund you working for government is Immoral and Unethical.
Engaging in a skill/career to “better society” might not be ethical if entails using stolen tax payer funded tools to do false flag hacks to pump up the fear factor just in time for your protective product release and doing so raises the risk of NUCLEAR WAR.
Every branch of the federal govt. has been infected by Chicago ‘pay to play’ politics. There is no one inside with an ounce if integrity. If there were we’d have a lot more leaks.
Snowden, who worked for NSA contractors Dell and Booz Allen Hamilton, has offered some context and a relatively mundane possible explanation for the leak: that the NSA headquarters was not hacked, but rather one of the computers the agency uses to plan and execute attacks was compromised. In a series of tweets, he pointed out that the NSA often lurks on systems that are supposed to be controlled by others, and it’s possible someone at the agency took control of a server and failed to clean up after themselves. A regime, hacker group, or intelligence agency could have seized the files and the opportunity to embarrass the agency.”
Edward Snowden
So incompetency & stupidity has now released these programs on the world . When are these fools going to be held to account for their actions ???
Fascinating.
To hump it or dump it: is that the question?
Lets suppose, for the sake of argument, that Sam and Micah had ‘dumped’ these files without any attempt to explain them. I’m wondering just how many digital wizards there are (out there) who could interpret/understand this stuff and present it as a confirmation (a ‘proof of life’, so to speak.) of the ‘ShadowBrokers’ auction of NSA exploits?
I suspect if one is not in the business of gathering intelligence (an ‘operator’) for large, well funded nation/state intelligence organizations … very fucking few. *Micah is no digital dummy, and look how hard he had to work!
Furthermore, since I doubt anyone could/would meet the ‘million(s) bitcoin’ (?) auction reserve set by the ‘ShadowBrokers’, I view it more like some kind of cryptic warning … ‘a shot across the bow’, as Edward Snowden put it.
Just my 2 bitcoins.
@MAHATMA
I raised similar questions last year as you did and they are all legitimate and must be addressed, legacy of Snowden decision and the way he went about it and how he dealt with the media including Glenn and TIC, has not been established yet, and it is still an open question of what it is.
Snowden or anyone who willingly or not, engaged in big politics, confronting entire American nation with disturbing facts must take at least in a part responsibility of the results whether intended or not.
And the results of Snowden leaks are devastating in one important dimension namely all the crimes (most considered at the time as hard crimes) Snowden pointed to in his disclosures, are now legal government prerogatives while no government operatives engaged in those activities or corporate executives that were active accomplices in those crimes went to jail, since no evidences were leaked that would remotely allowed for any legal recourse for those harmed by those illegal activities similar with banksters who turned their former crimes into legal activities after they were disclosed as criminal or unethical.
Since then, NSA budged, also (now openly) aimed to commit former crimes, has increased.
So now most of what was illegal at the time of Snowden disclosure is legal. That’s so far legacy of his act and hence must be addresses as Qui bono questions such as who benefited from this whole affair and this continuing bleeding of information although I sensed a slight change in TIC attitude by disclosing some documents in public interest.
What’s even more disturbing is attitude of some commenters who by supposing efficacy of argument of controlled, deliberate release of the information seems to be concerned more with “government interests in spying” then public interests and constitutional order.
This is an expression of deeply rooted in American psyche and reinforced by propaganda of patriotism typical American exceptionalism and imperial attitude and exemplification of as Chomsky posited, a deeply totalitarian American culture in seemingly open society where you can criticize anything but change nothing while your criticism will be ignored, never addressed and instead you will pay a price of emotional condemnation, blame shifting and ultimately alienation and social rejection in a form of peculiar anti-Americanism charge for all those who want to control or curb excesses of their government as constitutional order requires.
Let’s not skew and/or gag this discussion of profound impact of Snowden affair for years and decades to come but not let to sugarcoat potential grave consequences of it and actives disclosed, advocating that less disclosure is better than more disclosure, an attitude of infantalized society ruled by fear and loathing and not by ideas of enlightenment applied by responsible citizenry.
1. The fact that this lousy country allowed the NSA/CIA/Pentagon/Whatever to legalize what was previously illegal before the Snowden information was revealed is NOT ON SNOWDEN. The idea that he should take responsibility for this is totally illogical and ridiculous, and fails to consider the alternative of the previous situation, which is that we didn’t even know what the government was doing (though at least some of us had a general idea). What Snowden did was inform people; that people chose not to do anything good with that information is not Snowden’s fault.
2. As other commentors here have stated, the reasons for timed releases of documents instead of releasing them all at once are 1) to avoid releasing too many documents at once and thereby causing information overload; and 2) to allow verification and redaction of documents. Your dime store psych analysis is baloney.
3. I do agree that nothing has changed for the better since the Snowden releases, except that members of the public who are interested now have this information. But this is a deeply apathetic society, mainly caused by the fact that the people who founded and who are attracted to it are those who prioritize making money over all else. In a society that worships money like this, you can’t expect people to give any priority to issues regarding whether government agencies charged with protecting the rich and powerful are spying on us.
“And now that the exploits have been released, we run the risk that ordinary criminals will use them against corporate targets.”
Um, excuse me, but the “corporate targets” ARE the criminals.
Well, hopefully hackers buy this software and use it to infect computer systems of the Pentagon, NSA, CIA, MI6, Mossad, and every other such military and agency of every country in the world. Hey, I can dream if I want to!
Come on! TheIntercept is not like that! What kind of unpatriotic, un-“American” wikileaks kind of sh!t are you suggesting? Are you a Russian hacker, Putin spy or something?
To “ethical” journos the important thing about that piece of news is the adjective “real”:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/real
not actually knowing about the “leaks” in order to fix browsers’ bugs, harden the TCI/IP, “do something concrete about it”
RCL
@Mahatma
You misspelled authoritative; it is not spelled “authoritarian.” Edward Snowden took the risks, and had every tight to set the terms regarding which and how the documents will be released. He had conditions, conditions he required his chosen journalists to accept. They accepted them.
Edward Snowden has both the moral and intellectual authority to set those conditions. To call this “authoritarian” is to reveal yourself as an imbecile who does not understand the term.
Authoritarians require complete obedience.
Snowden is authoritarian in his behavior of directing what is released from the cache, as he should be. You have made a categorical declaration that contradicts your own argument. In your own words, he possesses the ” intellectual authority to set those conditions”.
You are always in attack mode; you attack people out of habit. You chide others for their mental illness and beat them up with a fucking web page … all while you are “resisting the urge to inflict intolerable pain upon” those you’ve labelled antisemites.
Omooex was a “wretched liar” according to Glenn. How do you not wear that tiara?
In your own words, he possesses the ” intellectual authority to set those conditions”.
God, you are an idiot. The suffix in the word authoritariangives it it’s pejorative meaning :
By contrast, “intellectual authority” is earned and granted voluntarily because of merit. It is not authoritarianism.
Only a moron could think THAT has anything to do with Edward Snowden. He risked his life and liberty to fight authoritariansism.
And there you go with yet another invocation of “Omooex,” a guy I barely remember. Next you’ll again recycle rants about the Catholicism of my youth.
You’re just angry at me because I and another commenter here, a Jewish guy, call out your antisemitism. You got quite creepily obsessive about me for a time, but you appear to now be keeping your fixation more or less confined to a few sub-threads. I highly recommend that you continue in that practice.
Damn, my kingdom for a preview/edit function. This is a quote and should have been formatted thus:
No, it wasn’t Omooex who Glenn called a wretched liar. Glenn met with Omooex, who actually goes by Jamie Omar Yassin in the physical world, at an Occupy gathering in Oakland, California. Glenn wrote about that meeting and Jamie Omar Yassin’s excellent activist work. That all happened after Omooex had pretty much completely stopped commenting on the threads following Glenn’s articles, which were being published on Salon at that time. So, no, Glenn was never of that opinion about Omooex.
There was some commenter, though, who Glenn did call a wretched liar, but I can’t recall right now what name that commenter had been using.
Jamie Omar Yassin publishes a blog under the title of Hyphenated-Republic.
Some nut going by ?????? replied with this (error on its own terms) non sequitur to my correct observation that First Look doesn’t pay Glenn Greenwald for either publishing or not publishing Snowden documents:
This is false.
1. All of the documents published attendant to the book, No Place to Hide, were posted here, online, simultaneous with the book’s being released. Greenwald receives no royalties for these freely available documents.
2. First Look had nothing to do with Greenwlad’s book tour or it’s publication.
So this inanity is especially dumb:
I deal in facts, and have done so here. Being a lawyer actually has nothing to do with that — I’ was fact-based before I set foot in law school. You might try it.
You deal in cya spin always and forever. Can’t wait until your sordid deal with govt. to not expose worst abuses is revealed.
The worst abuses? Like what?
As I understand it, what has been exposed is that the NSA (et el ShadowBrokers!) can&does exploit anything with an internet connection. .. and DNI Clapper lied about it to the Select Senate Oversight committee.
As *most* of the worlds business is now conducted over the internet, that’s potentially about as WORSE as I can imagine.
fyi … in terms of difficulty to avoid these exploits see Edward Snowden’s stick-figure video depicting his frustration trying to teach Glenn Greenwald, who is not dumb (I don’t care what they say.), encryption techniques. Evidently, it twern’t easy, lol.
Also, I think Mona clerked for Judge Judy right out of her high school debate team … so she should be alright.
“The worst abuses? Like what?”
— American Idiot, circa 2016
Do you consider yourself a “Targeted Individual?” Your odd comment would make internal sense if that is the case.
You ass. I used to think lawyers had to be intelligent. In your case I am mistaken. You logical prowess is right down there with John Yoo’s. (This is not a compliment.)
His book is not worth much without the docs handed to him at no charge. His celebrity tour itineraries would be quite anemic without the unsolicited NSA gift-docs he keeps stashed away for his own personal profit.
Your item 2 — “First Look had nothing to do with Greenwlad’s book tour or it’s publication” — is yet another red-herring. You are a fuckwit shill and I’m sure I’m not the only one who groks your yellow game.
Stan is almost certainly mentally ill individual and suffers from this affliction. He’s been been banned here more than once (discussed at the link) and recently had a comment deleted for threatening me and the staff here. Those with his illness have killed people, driven by their scary paranoia.
Stan should seek professional mental health assistance.
This is always Mona’s last resort when her lack of reason and honesty are exposed and she has nowhere left to go, like a patriotic scoundrel and its flag.
You are ill. Please, get some help.
I just noticed another lie: “…recently had a comment deleted for threatening me and the staff here“. I never threatened you or the the staff “here”.
I have frequently called you out as a proven serial liar and shill for murderers. You even go so far as to post links to your own lies, thinking readers are stupid enough to miss it — I am sure many are, but this is irrelevant.
I suppose most American lawyers think they can make an argument for anything, and that is the yellow game you play.
Now spin this, doctor Mona.
In the context of others suffering from your syndrome who have murdered people, including recently, you repeatedly demanded to know from me where I live, and made a statement that the staff here “should not get a break” from people like you whom the staff refuse to help. Staff deleted most of that.
At least one member of the staff here, and several others who do speaking events in national security, whistleeblowing and civil liberties, have reported that those with your affliction menace and threaten them at these events and that security has had to intervene more than once.
Among those I have discussed this situation with, including staff here, you are regarded as deeply mentally ill, possibly dangerously so. Your participation is not wanted, as the many bannings of yourselves and others should show you — you have myriad Targeted Individuals sites online where your fellow sufferers spin out their bizarre and paranoid fantasies. Please go there and leave the rest of us alone.
“Among those I have discussed this situation with, including staff here, you are regarded as deeply mentally ill, possibly dangerously so.”
-Mona- seems to have a fascination with seeing violent behavior in others while “resisting [her own] urge to inflict intolerable pain upon” people.
As a lawyer, excuse me, FORMER law partner of Glenn, what the fuck!?
Hilarious! Do you have a color coded alert system in the form of a traffic light that grades the threat level posed by scary commenters? Are you as simple-minded as George W. Bush?
Not only are you completely lacking in character and integrity (as well as logic skills), you are as chicken-shit as any American I’ve known.
“Should not get a break” means the topic of routine US torture activities should be commented upon here on TI’s discussion forum regardless of how annoying it is to filth buckets such as yourself and others actively working to protect identities of the ATC’s data suppliers, for the simple reason the NSA is the American Torture Community’s data supplier, and one or more of First Look’s employees possesses a large number of the ATC data suppliers’ documents. Leave it to a yellow shill to spin “should not get a break” into something really, really scary. I was talking about posting comments about US torture, which makes you go bat guano crazy. Wonder why…
You have frequently associated me with people who have killed, which is laughable because my criminal life is limited to parking tickets. Your Bush-league threat inflation habit merits derisive responses like “where do you live”.
1. You and your fellow Targeted Individual sufferers have been repeatedly banned here.
2. You created another account to get around the ban, and your post in question was deleted by staff — not by me — who found it objectionable.
3. You are deeply psychotic and desperately need mental health attention. Among the many, many psychotic things you have posted here is this:
One of your fellow Targeted Individuals posted this here:
In recent years, acting on these delusions two of you have killed people: Myron May, and the cop killer in Baton Rouge, Gavin Long. This is a serious mental illness — those allying with you here merely because they detest me are immoral. The only proper response to you is to beg you to get the professional assistance you urgently need.
The psychopath is you and the murderers you work for.
This if a statement of fact: “In attacking me, they’ve stooped to renting out nurses to assault me in a colonoscopy lab. (Many are familiar with the American Torture Community’s puerile sense of humor.) In barber shops, they threatened me with a straight-razor, poked me in the eye with scissors, and yanked out hair with shears. There have also been death-threats, sleep deprivation, and more — enough to fill a sizable book… They have even used children just strong enough to punch noise making iPhone buttons in efforts to harass me in public places.”
Other tactics include:
* Childish to violent harassment in workplaces including BBC News Online in London and Futurewei Technologies in San Jose, CA.
* Stalking as I leave home for work, return from work, at grocery stores, movie theaters, subways, and hotels.
* Sending uniformed soldiers to stalk and harass me in airports.
* Provocations of the not so intelligent goons the Stasi plants on commercial flights.
* Ridiculous skits put on in public places such as the street, coffee shops, pubs, and restaurants.
* Serving personally insulting web adds on web pages.
* Serving personally insulting images on digital TV, and the well know Abu Ghraib photo of the torture victim covered in a sack with electrodes hanging off him.
* Sending personally insulting and/or threatening emails.
* Making telephones useless by constantly ringing them and not speaking when I answer, and making bogus service calls to my cell phone at $2 a pop.
* Trying to lure me into betraying my wife by pushing a prostitute on me during daily walks. (That finally stopped when I suggested her dog was more attractive than she.)
* Sneaking up behind my wife at an outdoor cafe in Little Italy to photograph me (staying out of her line of sight), just like this NYC goon.
* Interfering with my financial affairs by intercepting phone calls to the bank or trying to purchase goods by phone.
* Interfering with my financial affairs by blocking paid-up debit and credit cards when I try to make purchases.
* Interfering with my financial affairs by increasing my State Farm auto insurance premium by 1000% and not fixing it until I canceled the policy.
* Sending a State Farm ‘nurse’ to stab me with needles in both arms, pretending to take blood for examination (part of a life insurance ‘application’), and failing to draw a single drop.
* Sending 4 US military goons to stalk and attempt to intmidate me on a Rio beach.
* Pretending to assault me on the street by running at me at full speed and halting just before colliding with me.
* Sending low-life stooges to go out of their way to bump into me in the work place and public spaces, no matter how far I go out of my way to avoid colliding with this sort of Stasi street scum.
* Sending large, over-sized, over-aged and menacing cable TV techs to my apartment in Brazil to intimidate me inside my own home.
* Interfering with job interviews. During one of my most recent interviews outside a San Jose coffee shop, they sent street scum to walk back and forth just behind my prospective employer, out of his line of sight, to distract me during a critical conversation. (It didn’t work. Again. And I still have that job.)
* Closing a San Jose police station when I attempted to report some of these crimes during regular business hours.
* Sending Stasi street scum to lurk outside outside my Sao Paulo apartment to yell at me in English as I pass by.
* Interfering in my wife’s cancer treatment. A perp at Futurewei Technhologies in San Jose suddenly started acting as if she was my best friend and tried to convince me to send my wife to Texas — of all the Nazi infested shit-holes — for radical treatments her doctor in Brazil said would kill her. She is going strong five years after the diagnosis.
* Sending a helicopter to hover over my apartment in London for about 15″ – 20″. (That stunt alone cost thousands. I had no idea I was so important, Mona.)
I have recognized their tactics in Austin, Houston, New York, San Jose, Newark, Denver, Rio, Sao Paulo, London, and Shanghai.
Your following attribution has absolutely nothing to do with me: “The torturers have pumped my legs and arms so full of nanodevices where the legs and the feet have now become grossly bloated. They then remotely mobilize the devices to simulate large crawling insects. Excite nerve endings, at will. The right eye, the entire left face, entire left side of head, left eyebrow, all eject clouds of high velocity, highly vibrational nanocrystal fibres into the air from deep within. The pain and discomfort are unspeakable. Nanodevices are vibrating in cervical lymph nodes at will. And nerve pain endings are excited all night.”
But you insist it does, a habit in line with your serial liar’s character.
And this is another of your ridiculous insinuations: “In recent years, acting on these delusions two of you have killed people….
Two of us.
I never met Myron May and Gavin Long, never corresponded with them, nor ever knew of them until their names appeared in the press.
You should attend an ethics class if your not too old to learn something new.
Have you considered that in providing so much PII and stating you are being harassed you are basically inviting yourself to be used as a tool inadvertently? Just curious.
That question could only come from an american patriot who is either ignorant about the subject, malicious, or both. And your ‘concern’ would still be non’importante even if you had the benefit of the doubt. It is a dumb question. Spend your transparent bullshit on the zombies.
Mona: “…those allying with you here merely because they detest me are immoral…”
Hilarious! You, the yellowest sort of American, calling anyone else immoral! Excuse me for a sec… I’m still dragging myself off the floor after a fit of laughter.
Detesting you is hardly a vice. Detesting your treasonous sort is a civic duty.
And in the unlikely event anyone ‘here’ in this corrupted Stasi sandbox is sincerely allying with me, I thank them from the bottom of my heart — a heart that has not been completely ruined by more than a decade of nasty Stasi attacks. (One never knows what can be endured until one has been tested.)
You have the mentality of an FBI goon.
“Stan should seek professional mental health assistance.”
Pot; meet kettle.
A pretty rich insult coming from an american who will never know what it is like to experience being respected by anything better than a dog’s breakfast.
Ah, yes, we hear now from the antisemite who hates me because I label him what he is: an antisemite. One who has repeatedly lied about something repugnant I allegedly supposedly said — I never did. One who has promised several times to find this (which always seems to require that it stop raining so he has the time) — he can’t, because it does not exist. Rain or shine.
You realize the stink of the comments section has kept me from wading back.
I’ve never “promised” to put on the muck boots (or maybe a better turn of phrase would be Mackboots …) I’ve threatened to; and if the weather keeps me in front of the screen I still might do it.
It is so much easier to reprint from memory your words verbatim.
Who else but a Catholic, as judge, jury, and executioner … would have to “resist the urge to inflict intolerable pain” upon another human being?
Even if you’ve called them an antisemite first …
Lying, yet again. This was my comment to you on the 8th of this month, my miswording corrected in italics:
I never said it; you keep promising to find it; you can’t find it; it does not exist.
The Intercept stopped publishing for several months after its launch. It is no coincidence this occurred around the time David Miranda was detained with Snowden docs at Heathrow, I believe. Mona negotiated deal with govt. to hide worst abuses that Bill Binney, David Voigts, Nick Begich, Robert Duncan, Cheryl Welsh and many others have tried to expose despite media complicity. David Voigts is ‘walking across America’ at this moment to expose widedpread nonconsensual experimentation with neuroweapons. Mona is loyal to her hero Glenn and cares not a whit about human rights, civil liberties or the Constitution. She is the most disingenuous civil libertarian on the web. Mona is both Glenn sychophant and sellout. For more information on the abuses, search for 14-year Navy veteran and officer David Voigts and ‘walk across America.’
That is insane nonsense, your whole comment is.
I don’t personally know anything about directed energy weapons or Mona’s contract negotiations, but “Mona is both Glenn sychophant and sellout” is a non-controversial and accurate statement of fact. Glenn is this particularly yellow shill’s beard.
Yes, only you and Glenn are’sane’ in your corrupt selfserving world. Truth will out.
mona please stick to other topics you know nothing about.
You are another of those suffering from this paranoid psychosis. The NYT recently did a piece on you poor souls: United States of Paranoia: They See Gangs of Stalkers
We see the FED’s (your employer) have adopted the techniques of the STASI.
COINTELPRO and MKULTRA continues by these scum..
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but anyone who thinks that any individual – be they never so deranged – can benefit from ‘professional mental health assistance’ loses my support.
Anybody with the slightest understanding of statistics, knows that the best diagnostic tools associated with those two bastions of charlatanry – psychology and psychiatry – have specificities and sensitivities that seldom rise above 0.75.
That means that psychological and psychometric tests are guaranteed to be wrong between 85% and 99% of the time (depending on the proportion of the population that is actually afflicted by the notional ‘illness’).
Just call people with whom you violently disagree “retard” and be done with it: don’t couch your remarks within the nonsense framework of a ‘discipline’ that is infested with the most flagrant charlatanry since phrenology.
That is deeply offensive. I am the mother of an adult son who is developmentally disabled and who all his life has been taunted as a a “retard.” Please stop it.
2. I am also the sister of a deceased man who was a paranoid schizophrenic. He would have been deeply attracted to the thousands pf these unhinged “Targeted Individual” websites, and could have easily plugged his paranoid delusions that “they” were out to get into the group-delusions at those sites. His delusions, however, were under control when he took his psychiatric medications.
3. These Targeted Individuals believe non-benign, dangerous things. At least two have killed during slaughter sprees, driven by their delusions. They menace those who speak about national security vis–vis civil liberties, as I know from speaking to multiple of these speakers who find these Targeted Individuals simply crazy — dangerously so. Security has had to be called more than once.
Sorry about your pool mona, I understand your bitterness now.
What?
Your gene pool, dumb ass.
I see. I’m neither embarrassed nor “bitter” about my youngest son or my deceased brother. Mental illness touches millions of families in this nation, as many other regular commenters have noted.
The struggle my family went through with my brother and his suffering is why I don’t hurl mockery at you, as I did in the beginning. At first I thought this was TI thing just some evidence-challenged people taking their politics to extremes. But you and most of you Targeted Individuals are ill, and it is morally wrong to make fun of disabled people.
Again, I wish very much that you would get professional help.
Does *Boo!* scare the yellow shill too?
Mona’s concern for the welfare of America’s torture subjects is touching, don’t you think? It certainly merits a response in kind: compassion for her litter. You know, the Golden Rule and all that.
But let’s hope she doesn’t whelp again, for everyone’s sake.
Poor Mona. It’s becoming ever clearer that she deserves pity. Her venomous wrath toward people reporting being covertly tortured is baffling (Seriously: why dotheir claims make her so angry????) But her personal trials do shed light on her hairtrigger anger. It’s too a shame that she winces at ‘retarded’ but doesn’t hestitate to throw ‘crazy’ around like 5 cent candies. As though it’s tolerable to verbally attack those she labels mentally ill. Calling someone ‘retarded’ is bad. But accusing someone of ‘crazy’ over and over again is acceptable. Got it.
That is utterly false, as is so much else that you write, including about me. I do not call TIs “crazy,” and the only time I used the word here was to describe the reaction of public speakers who have felt menaced by them. (One specifically referred to their utterances as “crazy talk.”)
Your poor friend Stan, however, wrote this: ” I was talking about posting comments about US torture, which makes you [Mona] go bat guano crazy. ”
Stan, you and all others afflicted with beliefs that they are TIs truly might benefit from professional mental health assistance. Your delusions are just that.
Living while believing you are constantly being stalked by co-workers and friends, and that you are being remotely tortured — and all the rest of the TI litany of horribles — has to be hellish. Why not just take a chance that it could be relieved by professional assistance?
How are you going to save face when Bill Binney confirms these abuses publicly?
I have solid reason to know that is not going to happen. If anything, he’ll explicitly repudiate.
Again, what it could it cost you to look into the possibility that you are suffering from psychosis? It’s not shameful and has happened to many good people throughout history. What if you could get relief?
And I have solid reason to believe he will explicitly reaffirm these weapons are being used. Binney has true character, is humble & does not surround himself with sycophants. I promise you Mona the day Binney denounces TIs as crazy I’ll head to the nearest emergency room. But it won’t be the one that FALSIFIED an entire visit by me on May 16 documenting the diagnosis as psychosis unrelated to drugs. This, by same hospital chain where biomems, an RFID and other devices were placed in me. Someone at hospital must have been troubled though because Blue Cross Blue Shield audited the claim & sent me copy. An investigation is underway. You cut a bad deal for Glenn, Mona.
Bill would never call anyone “crazy.” Nor will he ever “explicitly reaffirm” the paranoid litany of complaints that you, Stan and other Targeted Individuals set forth.
And if tomorrow he denounced Targeted Individuals as poor deluded unfortunates, you would simply dismiss him as being “one of them.”
To Micah Lee: Please dump malware fingerprints to look for
Disappointed that the intercept has not done so already.
but, again, “who is thy neigbor”? who exactly are those “‘innocent’ people”? NSA employees? What exactly would mean being “digestible” when “We the people” have been habituated to find not only “digestible” but delightful to the point we can’t live without it junk food and soda, junk media and celebrities?
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/16/the-intercept-is-broadening-access-to-the-snowden-archive-heres-why/?comments=1#comment-232599
In al Qur’an it is written that if you rape, dishonor a woman or girl you must marry her (it may have made some sense 2k years ago). That has become and easy way for some abusive Muslim men to “‘find’ a wife”. Many young women have committed suicide because of those “‘innocent’ Quranic verses”. Some people, exactly as you are doing, would cite al Qur’an and say that “it is very clearly written there” . . . by the way they would also “innocently” enough say, “it is not the same” . . .
// __ Divorce Iranian Style – Family Court Rooms in Iran – Documentary
youtube.com/watch?v=qs9XSTt-DIE
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// __ Why Yemen Won’t Ban Child Marriage and Rape
youtube.com/watch?v=c6U2nrRJ4HU
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RCL
You left out GRDN Angle and Anubis by the way.
Why not access the internet only from “Live Linux CD” or perhaps use SandBoxie? Nothing gets written, that cannot be erased, to the hard disk in either case. But at times I really wonder why would any country, I am talking about Iran here, connect their nuclear research network or other sensitive areas to the internet in the first place? It is akin to using a condom in stead of abstention to preclude any chance of infection.
who said they did?
my understanding was that a virus was inserted on site.
Funny that, I always wonder what makes asshole sociopaths find excuses to blame the victims of crime instead of the perpetrators.
I’ve concluded it goes with the territory.
Can commercial virus and malware scanners detect these pieces of software?
No. Because these have only just been released, no pieces of commercial software know about them. If foreign governments can’t protect against these attacks, Norton won’t either.
Considering most of these are for routers and firewalls and the like, Norton is totally irrelevant. For that matter so is commercial software. That is what stuff like suricata and bro signatures are for (and those are done on a network level). Incidentally people keep saying ‘a foreign government’ etc. You do realise our own govs and businesses and people are being intruded upon too, don’t you? Actually one thing that concerns me about this code being released is the fact that it can muddy attribution for future things (and even though cisco etc is releasing patches people dont always patch; in fact when it comes to routers most companies tend to be behind vis a vis their patch cycles.
@Mahatma
I’ve shared my own concerns about The Intercept’s non-profit un-transparency with the staff here, as well as with those at First Look Media (the non-neoliberal non-profit media company that started this and other non-corporate news-reporting endeavors), encouraging them to more openly declare and sharing their non-profit status.
Those concerns have fallen largely on deaf ears.
But The Intercept’s and First Look Media’s decision to not provide easily accessible information on the non-profit status and related public records on their website mastheads isn’t your real problem, it seems.
As far as I know, your claim that The Intercept “is always first and foremost profits and the power to make more profits” is as empty as it sounds, but unfortunately, I have no actual proof that this is the case.
I’m as uninformed in this case as you are.
Maybe between the two of us we can get First Look Media and The Intercept to provide this public information in a readily available format.
Such public information might include tidbits like the members of their board of directors, the public meeting schedules of that board, and their public agendas, as well as their public financial records.
So while I’m not agreeing one wit with your claims of Greenwald or The Intercept having a neoliberal disposition or any type of private-property ownership of the Snowden documents, I do feel that as a news and media agency proclaiming a non-profit status as a 501(c)(3) tax except charity they should (are are likely required by law) to do a hell of a lot more to be more transparent about it.
Such transparency would likely not dissuade those completely blinkered by some of the nonsense you’ve been going on about, but with these disclosures made more available, at least The Intercept and First Look Media would not be shooting themselves in the foot for no good reason.
The necrotic state’s dissembling shills never talk about what matters.
2.5) You can’t change files on a DVD for basic physical reasons (once RAM folders are created they can mess with those, but this is easily detectable and erasable). I think GRUB has an option that can be used to compare a dump of the BIOS as you boot and let you know if it has been tampered with
RCL
Realistically speaking, there could be! Easily! But don’t expect anything concrete brought about by “ethical” journos. They are all about rhetorical disquisitions.
Chaplin (who was basically run out of the U.S. by Hoover for being un-“American” and wasn’t really loved by the powers that were in Britain (about which he didn’t seem to give a sh!t either)) said that “comedians are ‘above’ politicians”. It seems they are “above” journos, both of the “ethical” and unethical kind, as well.
As of late comedians are the only ones speaking truth to power and speaking it as “irresponsibly” and “unethically” as it naturally should be spoken about.
Imagine, just imagine! as Lennon would say, that theIntercept stops protecting those neither “low ranking”, nor “innocent” U.S. government officials from the NSA, CIA, FBI, … and they find their @ss indicted for human rights abuses at least in international courts!
I know, I know, nothing will actually happen to any of those individuals, but breaking through the illusive walls they have erected around themselves as if they were to be regarded as some sort of semi-Gods, above the law, just their names being aired will be a bit much for their functional illusions.
RCL
Maybe one day this article can be translated into a language stupid people can understand, after reading through most of it I still was clueless as to what this all means.
The issue here is that the NSA preferred to force companies to provide back doors and to exploit weaknesses of OS and software rather than expose these, and be a partner of the people in fixing up good security. They should start being “The National Security Agency” and help us actually get good encryptions and protocols that lock the door on the hackers. It is actually their legal mandate to do this! But they prefer to wear a black hat than to wear a white hat.
Beware of Geeks bearing gifts.
I refurbish laptops. I got in a shipment of Dell e6410 laptops that originated from the VA that had “Custom BIOS’s” installed. Wireless drivers were not allowed to be installed on these in any manner or form. The BIOS could be flashed to the newest version but the drivers still would not install. The only solution was a motherboard replacement. I guess the Feds really did not want these laptops on “vulnerable wireless networks” !
What you are reading is the tip of the iceburg. Agencies don’t follow any laws or recognize any patents, what makes you think they have any limitations? You can talk and look for details but it doesn’t compare to the scope of the influence on networked systems. The snail mail has more legal protection so imagine the scope of this. Nothing is immune and nothing is really known.
nice going
now they’re gonna hafta outlaw mailed letters.
fyi – you can develop something on your own which matches what is already patented but as long as it is for your own use, and not marketed commercially, you are ok.
nothing needs to be known that does not comport with the equality of humans and human life, simply vanquished.
Utah Data Center. It’s got a janitor and a parking lot- yeah, it’s vulnerable!!! Wa ha! Wa ha! If I spank you with auto parts will you make me crab cakes? YES, PINKY, YEESSSSS…are you thinking what I’M thinking?
“…But people get lazy…” that is, people, meaning pot-smoking, Bernie-worshipping millennials.
We know over the past 10 to 15 years, from the examination of government contract bids, that the State Department, the CIA, the FBI and other agencies, have been paying US taxpayer monies to government contractors to go online to make false comments to create a “consensus” – – and that this money could have been far better used towards real cybersecurity.
Add to that the offshoring of sensitive government coding to China, and the Bush/Obama Administrations have presented America with a real National Security nightmare.
So this can be used to win the lottery?
A vexing problem with that exists. No pporblem probably accessijg the routers… Then what?
Great work on the article. Just a few comments.
These supposed NSA hacking tools/methods are not that complex. The software is free and MITM attacks are relatively easy. With some DNS masquerading and a simple CSS script and your browser is hijacked.
These ShadowBroker knuckleheads probably got a batch of old Trojan and Rats and are probably being hacked by the NSA.
The only relevant question to this can be:
Will there be legal consequences?
The NSA and its decrepit sublets need to follow the path of the STASI. People must storm the headquarters and make available all information held within.
Parallel, laws must be implemented that make these and worse activities crimes against humanity punishable with life without parole. The Orwellian excuse of ‘National Security’ must no longer be allowed to prevail in a so-called ‘Democracy’. The same goes for the CIA – that generates criminals in order to show successes in catching criminals.
If the bought for ‘representatives’ of U.S. citizens are incapable to protect their constituents from activities that resemble more and more those of Nazi Germany, they need to be removed without further delay.
Alternatively, the people could also be told that they are no longer living in a Democracy and haven’t been doing so for a long time.
NSA, CIA, FBI relate to freedom like cancer to health.
“By the rule of law”, all routers sold in stasi land U.S.A. must leave back doors for the NSA. Exploiting NIC hardware and NIC drivers; browsers and browser plug ins to own your computers becomes then trivial.
They are hacking into our computers not only to map our hard drives to their own storage systems and incrementally stage and index the data into their data repositories and corpora, but they would use browser sessions to actively mess with you.
Wherever you go you would find people who stand in front of you and start scratching crazily (sometimes they would all ware the same t-shirt), then you will find your bed full of bed bugs (as you become better at cleaning your bed … they start using microscopic microbes such as scabies which itch hellishly (doctors wonder how do I get infected if such diseases need direct, live contact)). Coincidence, you would think? Well, then you start finding all kinds of messages, pictures and clips about itchiness and being bitten by insects each time you open a browser session or as federated adds by google on totally unrelated pages …
At this point you basically have two options: either you believe all kinds of arthropods for some reason have coordinated a jihad against you (those arthropods would paste a U.S. flags on your apt. door and even own the Internet!) or USG is doing such things to you as part of their made in U.S.A. Zersetzung++
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/zersetzung-made-in-u-s-a/
I hope all this data, reports and procedures will end up hosted by wilileaks. Also, there are ways to make the NSA work “harder” if we would all fully encrypt our OSs. Here is a scheme that will make the NSA “very anxious”:
1) physically disconnect, unplug your network connection to your router (don’t use your software)
2) make sure you have a BIOS which hasn’t been tampered with
3) use a live DVD such as Debian live
4) randomly use pluggable NICs
5) boot up your box using §3 and as you do create an encrypted (using random data endogenously generated and a la Derived unique key per transaction, say moving a mouse through the screen or sing some Beatles stanzas into the mic (it would be even better if you don’t sing well ;-)) and create random data from its fourier transform) image which is the one you will use for this session only
6) then reset your router and connect the network cable
7) once in a while as you create more data in your hard drive, you would do 1-5 so the encryption will totally change
If you find yourself without access to the Internet and your ISP doesn’t know why even though when you launch wireshark you can see you are actually out there, that means you did it right! By the way, I brought wireshark logs when I brought my ISP ACE Innovatives and Verizon to court to prove that my Internet access was being blocked (there is no way on earth you could make up Internet traffic which they can check on their side). Judge didn’t pay any attention to that kind of physical evidence and “simply” dismissed my case because I couldn’t prove that my not being able to get a job was due to not having Internet and telephone access for 8 months even though I was paying for their service …
I wouldn’t still recommend connecting your work horse machine or any kind of computing device to the Internet if you expect any kind of privacy. Linus Torvalds doesn’t ever either. Once he made me laugh, while he was making faces as he said that he “never, (effing) ever connects his work machine to the Internet”
RCL
I too have noticed zersetzung-patriots cannot even pick out their own clothes much less think for themselves.
While I bristle at much of this stuff, the people I have seen that harass people in general range from slobbish to totally snappy dressers, just like those who get harassed. I generally disbelieve in a lot of this stuff but I have seen people get ganged up on and stalked and it isnt pretty. Most arent all-seeing all-knowing (some probably are) but all (or at least most) people seem to have an innate capacity for cruelty both on and offline. I honestly do not know how much of your perceptions are right or wrong but I do extend my compassion towards you for feeling as you do and I do hope you find some semblance of peace and trust in the world.
Perceptions?
Peace and trust? Fuck that, and compassion too. Justice is the only acceptable antidote to long-term torture. All else is nothing and contemptible.
This has absolutely nothing to do with perceptions or feelings. It is about the US’ Stasi running amok, and the guilty include the supine and cowardly people who call themselves Americans.
TI staff: we already had Alexander and Clapper’s names so stop pretending to be journalists and do your job. Grow some. Be responsible instead of the equivalent of Stasi stool pigeons: dump the names of the lowliest toilet scum in the NSA, including Snowden’s associates and friends.
Why do you imply that peace and justice are mutually exclusive? If there is justice to be had to obtain peace, then it is justice I hope for for you. Get your head out of your ass and realise I am not your enemy. But I am someone who knows that kindling can make very real instances spin into a chain of events that arent really connected or only partially real, and which can be used to discredit you. Like it or not real coincidences do occur in the world. And why would an enemy not try to claim responsibility for anything that upsets you? For that matter if you believe you have such enemies why would you not believe they were responsible?
Asking anybody who doesnt know you to trust you and suspend disbelief based on what you perceive as odd is a slippery slope. I am not saying it isnt possible. I am saying I dont know. How could I? And dont say ‘this odd youtube clip’.
Hoping someone can find peace and trust means hoping for conditions where those things are possible and appropriate. If there is justice to be had for you then I certainly wish that for you. But that doesnt mean every perception is spot on or that anyones perceptions ever are. Theyre not.
(And I say I know viz kindling because our very governments fall prey to this very sort of thinking, I suspect. People generally look for all confirming evidence and dismiss things that dont fit. Thats why it is so important to constant reality checks. What if the dudes in that parking lot werent out to get you? Then you just violated their privacy for no reason. What if in trying to call out a perceived stalker you wound up victimising other people instead?)
(And all of this is only to Stan btw)
more likely explanation is that one of the programmers worked on a tool for the NSA and also worked on another tool “on their own time” and used the same ridiculous magic string in both….
In that business you must always cover your ass lol
Shining Sunlight on all the government cockroaches.
What an excellent piece – great work, TI.
What is the word from the IC?
I have been busy, but this is my first time reading about the hack.
So just how many “ethical” journalists knew there was this NSA malware out there that could be identified by a unique character string, and chose to say nothing the whole while?
I’m tired of “ethics”, I don’t want to hear about it, I’d rather go on sheer sociopathic animal instinct without a pretense of philosophy or understanding than put up with it a moment longer. “Ethics” is what tells us that kids can be held hostage by the makers of EpiPen so the company can make extra profit on an ancient technology. Shit with that shit!
Could you guys fire Sam Biddle? After Gawker, he should find a different line of work.
What did you find upsetting about this article? I thought it was good.
“The NSA did not respond to questions concerning ShadowBrokers, the Snowden documents, or its malware.”
Hey Micah, please list the questions that were asked. Thanks and great work. You guys & girls are just too good!
So let me get this straight…
If Apple would have caved in to James Comey’s demand to create a backdoor on their own software, in addition to having ShadowBrokers blackmarket NSA’s malware, they might also be marketing the F.B.I. backdoor?
Is that correct?
Your comment points to the factional nature of the bloated Soviet-style “national security state” bureaucracy in the United States today. The NSA has its internal structure (which includes private contractors like SAIC, Dell, Booz Allen Hamilton, etc.) and refers to all other agencies as “clients”, so it doesn’t work hand in hand with the FBI – the FBI might be able to request NSA help on foreign investigations – but it would have to go through official channels, I think.
For example, the FBI’s John O’Neil was investigating the bombing of the Cole in Yemen in 2000; he could request NSA help, but the State Department could intervene and block that request if the NSA snooping revealed links between Saudi Arabia’s government and Al Qaeda terrorists that might embarrass the House of Saud. True story, apparently.
The FBI does have its own set of malware tools, like “Magic Lantern” dating back to 2001:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2001-11-26/a-dark-side-to-the-fbis-magic-lantern
There are also private criminal hackers running around with such malware, so Apple and other tech companies continually try to upgrade their security to protect users from bank account infiltration, etc. So perhaps the FBI’s Magic Lantern (keystroke logger hidden as a Trojan horse in email) no longer works on new operating systems, etc. (I requested information from the FBI’s Oak Ridge office regarding the status of their anthrax investigation c.2006 and they sent me a bunch of email attachments in response . . .).
Now, the NSA has been reported to have an Apple iphone implant called DROPOUT JEEP which allows complete remote ownership of any Apple iphone – camera, microphone, all files, location, etc. The FBI would like the same capability, but NSA won’t share. So the FBI tried to get Apple to make such a tool for them – their true goal being the ability to break into any iphone remotely (apparently they could have easily gained access to the San Bernadino phone by physical means, i.e. cutting it open, but that’s not useful for mass surveillance).
But as far as your question, since the FBI surveillance people don’t work hand-in-hand with the NSA surveillance people, the ShadowBrokers who accessed the NSA malware, wouldn’t immediately also have access to the FBI’s suite of malware tools.
Any bloated national security state displays this kind of factional behavior; most notably it’s been seen in Syria, where radical Islamic terror groups supported by the CIA began fighting Kurdish forces (who had been fighting ISIS) that were supported by the Pentagon. See the LA Times coverage.
It’s kind of like cancers breaking out in the body of the world’s last remaining superpower, which is riddled with corrupt self-serving interests who don’t trust each other. The Soviet Union’s collapse was preceded by very similar behavior.
Will we ever see the rest of the snowden files?
There is no incentive. It would undermine the monopoly.
Another bogus theme; Snowden gave the files to journalists because he wanted them to write stories that exposed the scale of the NSA program, rather than dumping them all to wikileaks.
Your complaint is in the same class as Michael Hayden saying:
What Chelsea Manning gave to Wikileaks, in contrast, the State Department cables, was more like a bucket of water; a lot of the information there might have been gathered by the NSA and handed over to the State Department (and those cables put the lie to U.S. claims about being “pro-democracy” or “concerned with humanitarian issues”), but that was all.
In contrast, Snowden really did reveal the ‘plumbing ‘ – but without those plumbing details, who would have believed anything Snowden said about the NSA domestic mass surveillance programs? If he’d only distributed the “take”, the bucket of water, well, it could have come from anywhere. By working with journalists who sketched out the structure of the mass surveillance apparatus, backed by key documentary proof at each junction, the government was unable to deny that this is what they were up to. This is called whistleblowing – and it was the only route Snowden had.
If Michael Hayden wants to complain, he should first explain why Thomas Drake was retaliated against for his internal whistleblowing exposing the gross fraud and waste in the NSA-SAIC Trailblazer program – hundreds of millions of dollars vanishing into a black hole, no questions asked? And what about John Crane?
http://www.govexec.com/defense/2016/05/fired-pentagon-whistleblower-goes-public-attack-igs-office/128511/
That’s in line with Obama’s war on whistleblowers, isn’t it? Or what about Clapper lying to Congress about domestic mass surveillance? Does Hayden think that’s justified? His attitude mirrors that seen in East German STASI officers, smug, arrogant and condescending – with no respect for Constitutional law, just like General Keith Alexander. See him in “Chasing Snowden” at 9:45 minutes, available on Youtube’s Anonymous Official channel.
Your complaint is not much different though – “show us all the files!” Why? We’ve all seen enough of the files to be sure that the NSA is doing what Snowden says it is doing – and that was his agenda, wasn’t it? So quit whining about it.
@photosymbiosis-you are starting to redeem yourself….. I agree with your comment.
I have to say yet again.
This article and the work you guys for the people is phenomenal.
This type of investigative reporting, in on another level never seen before I believe.
Plus its also factual which is key.
With that said, where do they teach what you guys do at?
Try: “Global Muckraking: 100 Years of Investigative Journalism from Around the World”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anya-schiffrin/the-fall-and-rise-of-investigative-journalism_b_5714999.html
Notably, it’s in the United States where investigative journalism is in the worst shape, where outlets like the NYTimes and Washington Post that used to do some of this work, now don’t – instead, their reporting is mostly of the “official government sources say” variety, and they no longer allow reporters to go off digging – it’s all top-down editorial direction. The NY Times’ bogus government-sourced Iraq WMD stories, their refusal to publish NSA leak stories in 2004, etc., are all examples of this trend:
One place you absolutely won’t learn how to do investigative journalism, however, is in the U.S. academic system – “schools of journalism” are now training grounds for people who go into corporate advertising and government propaganda production, typically in a contractor relationship – for a good example, look up [ Lincoln Group Iraq ].
Good article.
Obviously slanted as Hezbollah aint the terrorist org,USZion is.
Its obvious to the world,but many Americans are a little slow .
I was looking to see if anyone else had commented on this outrageous bit of slander:
“a special subset of the terrorist group dedicated to aiding Palestinian militants.” As if all Palestinians were ‘militants.’ As if all Hezbollah was about was aiding these ‘militants.’ That’s a really good way to slip in unnoticed, pro-Israeli positions, in the middle of an apparently unrelated article. Eternal vigilance …
This is not investigative journalism. This is a story corroborating another news story on information that The Intercept has had in its possession for three years. This is the opposite of investigative reporting.
There does not seem to any retribution for the most incompetent fellows who could not secure the servers to prevent hacks. This is really terrible. These blokes think it is okay to blame the Russians and accuse them of theft, as if there are any rules in this game. I would ask Clapper to deposit back his salary and check into a seniors facility before we decide to clap him into compulsory housing.
But what else to expect from an administration that has forced our pilots to scavenge graveyards and cannibalize parts in order to keep flying their dilapidated machines …
or, the idiots and incomeptent lying imbeciles pretending to be the saviors of society are preparing to tell America that for another $25 billion we can fix that.
maybe they did this on purpose because they are also thieves.
@Mahatma
Never happened. Glenn Greenwald has always and only claimed that he will publish documents per the terms of his agreement with his source, Edward Snowden. At all times, Snowden can express to Greenwald desire for a document to be written about. Moreover, The Intercept has opened the remaining documents up for journalists to read and study.
No. Snowden gave the documents to Greenwald, Poitras and Bart Gelman. Some of these have been shared with other outlets, such as NYT and Pro Publica, who are not publishing any more documents, for whatever reason.
Greenwald does not receive payment from First Look Media for publishing or not publishing Snowden documents. Edward Snowden has stated great satisfaction with the manner in which the journalists he chose have evaluated, selected and published some of the documents.
“Greenwald does not receive payment from First Look Media for publishing or not publishing Snowden documents.”
Wrong again. More mealy-mouthed lawyer bullshit, Mona.
Greenwald has received copious payments from celebrity tours resulting from the trivial number of docs he published in his book, for which has is also receiving royalties.
Your yellow bullshit is so weak it ought to be banned.
“Greenwald does not receive payment from First Look Media for publishing or not publishing Snowden documents.”
Wrong again. More mealy-mouthed lawyer bullshit, Mona.
Greenwald has received copious payments from celebrity tours resulting from the trivial number of docs he published in his book, for which has is also receiving royalties.
The yellow bullshit is weak, it ought to be banned.
“Greenwald does not receive payment from First Look Media for publishing or not publishing Snowden documents.”
Another mealy-mouthed strawman, or woman, in this case.
Greenwald has received copious payments from celebrity tours resulting from the trivial number of docs he published in his book, for which he is also receiving royalties.
You’re yellow.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a journalist getting paid a decent salary for excellent works as opposed to corporate CEO’s bloated paychecks for the rape and ruin of America…and any other country they can get their greeeeedy little paws or claws on. Carry on Glenn & company!
One of the very first things Greenwald did was to sign a lucrative book contract in which he published, for his direct profit, Snowden documents.
4 in a row.sheesh,they have no shame.
“Two” many hasbarists showed up at once with the same BS.
Coordinate better you scum.
Look, Snowden is a hero he did about the bravest and most important act against the Imperial US in memory. He deserves more credit than he gets.
That does not endow him or his agents with the right to authoritarian control of the vital information contained in his archive.
The ultimate problem here is the authoritarian nature of how the documents are controlled. These documents in one way or another effect almost everyone. That is to say society as a whole, but society has no control or input about how the documents are handeled that is the exclusive right by virtue of ownership and possession of only Greenwald and he does not accept that anyone else – society at large rather than one individual – has any right to know what is in the documents except for the pathetic few few he has allowed us to see.
This is Neoliberal authoritarian the individual is supreme and society in the impartial words of Margaret Thatcher “doesn’t exist” and has no right to decide for itself. Only Greenwald decides what gets published Snowden may have something to say but he does not own the documents Greenwald does – he is not a custodian he is an owner. As surly as Larry Page owns Alphabet’s driverless auto technology Greenwald – one individual – owns the Snowden archive which in itself is a harm to the rest of society which is being maimed and killed every day by the people and technologies named in those documents.
Our society is not benefited by a single individual having control of this information – censorship is censorship.
Just on the issue of not naming names and redacting names and other information is a decision to protect the lives of criminals engaged in racketeering and worse while the people killed and suffering from their crimes – well that’s not Greenwald’s problem. So let the Syrians and Inquiries die by the thousands let the black community be oppressed subjugated and incarcerated not his problem. His job is to protect their identities.
The supremacy of the individual over society needs to end Greenwald has no right to decide for society what is best, what he has is full control of the Snowden intellectual property which he has exploited for personal gain.
Greenwald acts in an authoritarian, me above all, manor and it is authoritarianism that I abhor.
Look, there is lots of ways to determinate this material – all of it – through using something like torrents so the Imperial state can’t stop it or pin it down to any individual.
I do not accept that society must be dealt with by Greenwald diktat. That is exactly the nature of the Empire which is killing us and causing vast human suffering. You can’t successfully oppose a destructive force by acting the same way they do.
For Snowden to realize his dreams about all this Society not some individual no matter how brave or manipulative is and must be the authority here.
That’s absolute BS as I explain above. Snowden’s goal was to expose the scope of the NSA surveillance program and its unConstitutional nature, not to give you all the documents.
This is called responsible whistleblowing, and it’s why Snowden deserves complete amnesty from all espionage charges – while the NSA mass surveillance architects should all be charged with breaches of Constitutional law.
So then he just wanted to point out that all this is not only unconstitutional but mean too. Gee I guess he had no interest what-so-ever is stopping the maiming and killing of thousands of people day after day by the criminals named in the documents he just wanted to show a few documents but protect criminals.
These criminals were not the source of the information, they were implicated in serious criminal activity but their names are protected just the same even though there is no journalistic moral issue involved. Crimes were committed but we will never say by whom.
On what grounds are the names protected except to save Greenwalds’s hide – which might be enough reason were it offered but it is not on offer. Had the documents – from the beginning – been treated as part of the global commons which it clearly should have instead of the personal and/or professional possession and absolute control of one person circumstances would be much different and he would not be under such threat. Like I say, this is nothing more than Neoliberal authoritarian behavior. Fuck society we’ll let them know what we think they need to no and we sure as hell don’t want any input from hoi polloi. Elitist smug disregard for the very society these people are shredding.
But as always the elites are in control and society will take the hind most.
There is not one word in this discussion of how this might lead to the reduction of human suffering and the elimination of great social harm to tens of millions, just protect the criminals and be “responsible”.
Blather and BS:
We know their names: GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo, Scooter Libby, Keith Alexander, Michaed Hayden, James Clapper, David Addington, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Barak Obama, James Comey, Richard Mueller III, etc. etc. etc. Apologists and tools and lackeys and lawyers and architects and directors of unConstitutional domestic mass surveillance and illegal foreign wars of aggression, and probably a few other major crimes as well.
COINTELPRO much, “Mahatma”? Or is this just constipated self-righteous nonsense that you actually believe in? If we take you at face value, then you are arguing for the CIA Philip Agee approach, I suppose; he was a CIA agent who wrote a tell-all expose about CIA activities, naming low-level CIA employees, in 1975 or so and then fled to Cuba.
But if you’re being honest about that, this also means your line about “Snowden is a hero” has to be a false stance, since Snowden is completely opposed to the Philip Agee approach, as he’s demonstrated:
https://medium.com/@ShaunRaviv/the-fate-of-agee-is-not-the-fate-of-snowden-fbfa0d8294da
Mr. Greenwald started as an enlightened despot. But gradually his edicts became more arbitrary and inflexible. He lost me when he proclaimed that all must address him as ‘The Glorious Leader’ on pain of death. He now reigns from his world capital of Rio de Janeiro, surrounded by courtiers who flatter him continuously, and his ego can barely be contained in the continent of South America. It is a cautionary tale of how the power of the Snowden Archives corrupts even the most pure of heart.
Isn’t this story about NSA assault on freedom?
Your Snowden concern is BS,as he is for our freedom,not against it.
They Feed They Lion
By Philip Levine
Out of burlap sacks, out of bearing butter,
Out of black bean and wet slate bread,
Out of the acids of rage, the candor of tar,
Out of creosote, gasoline, drive shafts, wooden dollies,
They Lion grow.
Out of the gray hills
Of industrial barns, out of rain, out of bus ride,
West Virginia to Kiss My Ass, out of buried aunties,
Mothers hardening like pounded stumps, out of stumps,
Out of the bones’ need to sharpen and the muscles’ to stretch,
They Lion grow.
Earth is eating trees, fence posts,
Gutted cars, earth is calling in her little ones,
“Come home, Come home!” From pig balls,
From the ferocity of pig driven to holiness,
From the furred ear and the full jowl come
The repose of the hung belly, from the purpose
They Lion grow.
From the sweet glues of the trotters
Come the sweet kinks of the fist, from the full flower
Of the hams the thorax of caves,
From “Bow Down” come “Rise Up,”
Come they Lion from the reeds of shovels,
The grained arm that pulls the hands,
They Lion grow.
From my five arms and all my hands,
From all my white sins forgiven, they feed,
From my car passing under the stars,
They Lion, from my children inherit,
From the oak turned to a wall, they Lion,
From they sack and they belly opened
And all that was hidden burning on the oil-stained earth
They feed they Lion and he comes.
Assange claims to have the same batch of leaked NSA malware as the group trying to auction it off… why would anyone pay for access if it is set to be released for free?
People bitching about these events make you wonder.
The presumption is that there were/are vulnerabilities that will soon be eliminated when new vulnerabilities and different programs are probably already being exploited and used.
In other words, there was no real security before, and there still isn’t.
Anybody dealing with security who was in the dark about that reality should look into a new career.
And there’s probably an NSA trained goshawk waiting to take down your courier pigeon too.
As a matter of pure speculation, if the NSA knew their malware had been discovered by Israel or Uruguay or China or some other two bit outfit, wouldn’t it also make sense for them to release it like this so security experts could eliminate the vulnerabilities and prevent others from using their now outdated tools?
Getting a bunch of hackers to pay them for it would be icing on the cake.
Sam Biddle? Isn’t that the guy that single-highhandedly killed Gawker? LOL! Nice job The Intercept… hope he destroys you as well.
Yup, it’s Sam “Bring Back Bullying” Biddle!
Hope The Intercept can keep him on a tight leash.
“Biddle asked how much the company was spending on its content management system Kinja, and Denton replied that it was about five times as much as his tweets had cost the company, leading to laughter from the audience.”
I agree – it’s a needlessly controversial hire. Anybody could write this story. Biddle should quit journalism and find a new line of work. Extremely disappointed in TheIntercept. I’d rather read a Jayson Blair story.
Ahhhhhhhhh the irony of it all. Speaking of laffing all the way to the bank… Couldn’t happen to a better organisation. Can’t say i’m sorry to hear all this – cuz i’m not. I have read elsewhere (pastebin) that the bids have to be made as payments – nonreundable even if you dont win the bid. They are looking for a cumulative grand total.
fyi – hackers operate on the slipup principle. They will keep hitting a port until one hour one day you oops. Ever notice the USG fools never say the operating system they screwed up with?
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-attack-can-steal-your-username-password-and-other-logins/
makes ya wonder don’ it?
It’s a beautiful day.
With all this CiCObaama and CrookdClinton guarantee clintonemai.com is safe? Hahahaha!
And to think that Hillary Clinton told the FBI that Colin Powell advised her to use “private email” for all her State Department business:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/politics/hillary-clinton-told-fbi-colin-powell-advised-her-to-use-private-email.html?_r=0
She was a direct report to Mr. Obama, the president. She was not a direct report to Colin Powell, a previous SOS who was no longer in government.
She might as well have claimed she was passed this alleged “advice” contrary to prevailing law by the Tooth Fairy or The Great Pumpkin.
We’ve known for a long time that there were no “laws” concerning private mail servers. There was no law to break. Now, there may be.
It’s interesting to speculate about the motives for publicizing this ‘hack’. A nation state would normally not do so, as they would wish to analyze the code and then create finger printing which would help identify other computer compromised by the NSA. They wouldn’t wish to advertise their capabilities.
It is possible they wish to make life harder for the NSA, by enabling others to harden their systems against NSA malware. But normally spying agencies, even of nominally adversarial states, cooperate with one another in the shared goal of controlling their own people. If they hamper each other’s actions, achieving this goal becomes more difficult. The greatest threat to any government is its own people.
I don’t discount Mr. Snowden’s theory that publicizing the hack was intended as a warning. Animals of various species engage in ritualized threat displays, and thereby avoid a direct fight where both could be injured.
But the act of publicizing the hack seems more consistent with a junior player, an individual hacker or second tier state, showing off their prowess. If so, they are about to get slammed down, hard.
If as Mr. Snowden states, the NSA uses third party computers to distribute malware (presumably to make it harder to trace back to the NSA), then anyone using such a computer could have stumbled on the library. In a way, it is ironic if the NSA installs malware on your computer and you find and publish it, then you are the hacker. Under such circumstances, I find it difficult to sympathize with the NSA, as the victim of this hack. But then I have never been noted for my empathy.
Just now a Twitter account @zipadux (registered since November 2005, but inactive until just now) stated that “ShadowBrokers is an insider who grabbed the data via USB and is trying to pass himself off as a foreign group.”
Data being removed from the NSA on a USB, sounds familiar right? It’s difficult to tell if @zipadux is speaking from authority or an educated guess, but the lack of Twitter activity until now is certainly interesting.
10-16-2013 “Retirement” announced
10-18-2013 “Retirement Plan” put on a USB stick
You can also see a list of ‘file by modified time’ on Github from the archive. When reviewing, it is evident they are older files from approximately September 2013 and directories listed are from 2010. According to @pwnallthethings, “The most recent “last modified” timestamp in the EQUATION GROUP hacking tool set is 2013:10:18 14:48:09+02:00 – i.e. October 18, 2013.” This suggests it is very questionable to think that the NSA was actually hacked directly or recently.
The NSA did not respond to questions concerning ShadowBrokers, the Snowden documents, or its malware.
Thanks for asking though.
Iron Net R&D?
https://medium.com/@msuiche/shadowbrokers-the-insider-theory-ded733b39a55#.k4ns2zq3y
Can veterans keep their trophy cyberweapons?
https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-war-trophies-and-bringbacks-allowed-in-the-US-military
But the act of publicizing the hack seems more consistent with a junior player,
junior? meaning non gov? or less capable? or perhaps a senior in-your-face protester who just made a fool of the NSA and the USG and demonstrated America as a third world slackoff?
‘jr player’, purely propaganda, speculate as you wish. There is little truth to be found anywhere, why bother looking for it? You would not know it if you found it. Economic espionage and fascism is the order of the day. Best of luck to you, good points. Americans may be slackers (where are their voices – especially those of professionals!), but the bottom feeding scum that run the show are triple A psychopaths.
AAA psychopaths in deed.
Maybe someone hacked The Iron Net and wants to let the world know who is doing all the recent “Nation State” false flag hacking?
Its funny that this NSA leak was done one weak after Snowden tweeted “its’ time” followed by a 24 bit encryption code, don’t you think???? Wait is this comment going to a NSA snitch server or onto the Intercept???? You never can tell now can you?
Gonna pick nits here and object to your classification of Hizballah as a terrorist group, Sam. Otherwise, a great read.
Agree on the throw-away classification and the way it is used to conflate the two with nameless “Palestinian militants”.
If Hezbollah is a terrorist group, then so are the Israeli Defense Forces. This was pretty clearly seen in the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah war in Southern Lebanon. Neither in fact fit the definition of a terrorist group, no more than the Houthis in Yemen are, or Hamas in Gaza, or Fatah in the West Bank. At most they are paramilitary self-defense forces. Good read on this here:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/reflections-introduction-israeli-national-security-challenges
(What they have now is “apartheid light” based on land ownership and immigration laws that favor Jews over Arabs, particularly seen in the far-right Israeli settler movement)
Terrorism is actually pretty rare, which makes it a poor excuse for the mass surveillance / foreign militarism (and giant military budget) of the world’s last superpower, the American Empire – state communism was a much more believable excuse. (Famous Colin Powell quote from the mid 1990s: “We’re running out of enemies.”)
ISIS and Al Qaeda is the best example of a terrorist group today, and that means that Saudi Arabia (and Qatar) deserve sanctions as state supporters of terrorism. But since they are both clients of Washington, this hasn’t happened.
Too complicated of a conversation for here, I think..
One question I have is, who can sanction the sanctioners? It seems to me that most sanctioning happens by the seven eye countries (for the most part) who then create a ripple effect. Yet the top, say, eleven countries set the precedent for anybody who doesnt want to get crushed to follow through on, sort of like how peer pressure works in jr high school. So basically, Russia gets called bad, Iran gets called bad, Cuba gets called bad… Whatever… Largely based on perceived usefulness and ideology. Wasnt (isnt) America one of the largest funders of terrorism and the drug wars? I honestly dont believe it is right to sanction anybody. I think that tends to create the very issues western countries seem to say they dont want — yet it seems to be exactly what they want.,
What do you think is a good approach?
You know, separation of powers is the best aspect of the U.S. Constitution – makes sure that a dictator can’t ride to power up from the executive, the legislative, or the judicial branch, without being kneecapped along the way.
On the international scale, we need something similar, a means of undermining the imperial superpower ambitions of any aggressive Nazi-Germany style power.
This is where the national security imperial power advocates might call people like Snowden “traitors” because they expose that agenda; but if a German citizen had acted to undermine Hitler’s aggressive militant policy in the 1930s, would we call that German a traitor today? As far as I can see, Bush’s invasion of Iraq based on lies about WMDs was basically identical to Nazi Germany’s invasion of Poland. . . not a pretty picture, hard for many of my fellow Americans to accept.
But really, you’re right, the whole sanctions program is mostly nonsense and is never fairly applied; it’s just economic warfare vs. military warfare on behalf of the sanctioning power. If there was a sanctions program, it really should only be applied via the United Nations, but there we have the so-called “Security Council” of nuclear-armed states calling the shots.
We’re really not that many steps above barbarism, not so far from the might-makes-right tribal warfare era, really. . . I guess what we need is some solid international law that everyone agrees to adhere to? No idea how to enforce that, however. . . but at least, a step in the right direction. I kind of like the idea of an International Criminal Court, for example.
After Cast Lead,Protective edge and numerous assaults on Lebanese and Palestinian civilians it is quite clear the IDF are a terror org.
Whats with you guys?Do you spray ethnic cologne every morning at wakeup?
Let me guess, dahoit:
9/11 was not Al Qaeda, it was the Zionists
Iraq was not an oil war for Halliburton and Exxon and BP etc., it was the Zionists
The 2008 economic collapse was not due to the death of Glass-Steagall it was the Zionists.
Come on dahoit, assuming you’re not a some kind of bot, you know that if you were born Jewish you’d be a Zionist. If you were born Southern US white, you’d join the KKK. If you were born East LA Chicano, you’d join the Sorenos gang. If you were born South LA black, you’d join the Crips or the Bloods.
The funny thing about racists is, they’re all very similar regardless of what they look like – frightened of anything that doesn’t look like they do in a mirror. Fear and hate go hand in hand; so that basically explains things, doesn’t it? Best to let both go.
“If this is indeed Russia, then one assumes that they probably have their own exploits, but there’s no need to give them any more.”
What could be a better example of propaganda at work? First you quote some “expert” the expert then implicates the “enemy” (in this case Russia) by innuendo and unproven assertion and the idea is planted in the reader’s mind.
It’s always the evil Russia or China.
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One question, the Intercept has published numerous articles regarding how to protect privacy through the use of Tor and a number of other methods. It apparently did so with the full knowledge that these malware programs could and do get around or brake or otherwise make the encryption useless in many cases, but couldn’t be bothered to tell anyone.
We’ve known for quite a while that the NSA has the capability to direct web traffic to malware staging servers they control, to infect your PC. In fact, SECONDDATE sounds like it’s a bit on the weak side, because it’s designed to work with wireless networks, and requires proximity to the target (such as a compromised cell tower).
The more scary version of this, is what they have installed on internet backbone connections, that can pluck your data out of the enourmous data flow, and redirect it to their malware platforms. As long as your traffic is passing over NSA or GCHQ controlled trunks, you’re at risk … and there really aren’t a lot of sites you can visit that won’t take you past one of their choke points.
As it stands, this confirms that the Shadow Broker leak is real, but it doesn’t really tell us anything new about NSA capability, nor is it any scarier than we already know they’re capable of.
One thing on which I agree with you is that it is not necessarily the work of an outsider like Russia or China. It is interesting to contemplate the possibility that it is an insider who is responsible for the release, perhaps one of the Five Eyes Plus One. Perhaps a lover’s spat between the NSA and the Israelis? That would be my first choice; GCHQ lacks the stones to challenge the Cousins but Mossad / Unit 8200 would not hesitate to blackmail the NSA if it suited their purposes. Alas, I fear we will never know the truth, but it certainly suggests the outline of a plot for a novel.
See, this is why Edward Snowden is a national/world hero. Enabling US enemies to hack the NSA will help end the USA. He should return to America for a parade for saving the world from the evil US.
Spectacular leaps of logic. How did Mr. Snowden enable a hack which took place in 2013? I won’t even ask why you believe this hack will end the USA.
spoken like a true zion. go to israel. do not pass go. do not collect $200.
Hey, I love Israel and am glad they’re supreme in the region. You should visit — you’ll fall in love with the country also! Give it a try and be ready to be thrilled.
Israel is not supreme in the region, it’s American benefactors are, without whose protection it would be a smoking crater by now.
As with Barnes,the only thing that can kill US is US.
It might cause yuppies to go ballistic if their computers crashed though.
It’s kind of funny to call a hex editor a “code editing program” but I guess most people wouldn’t know what a hex editor is.
beats using assembler.
“most people wouldn’t know what a hex editor is.”
I guess editing data is not strictly editing code even though the data is encoded.
Of course a hex editor is a code-editing program. Heck, I used to edit binaries to do cool/funny stuff via hexediting all the time when I was a kid. It can be greatly amusing as anyone who has ever changed the strings or images in a game will attest to.
I am really happy to have this information revealed. I have the highest regard for Snowden.
I want to vomit over the fact that this information and these documents have been held in secret for years now by Glenn Greenwald and the oligarch owned Intercept.
By virtue of his ownership of the Snowden archive GG claims some god given right of “journalism” to censor and keep secret information vital to the public interest.
Is this how we demonstrate the corruption of government and society? By releasing documents only after the NYT gets a scoop on the Intercept? Then the Intercept says oh, we knew it all along.
But of course the Intercept is part of the corporate owned press and as such is impervious to criticism.
The Snowden archive now and from the beginning was the private property of GG and some others. GG has chosen to partner with and be subservient to the corporate oligarchy using his private property for the interests of the himself and the owners.
It is nothing short of Neoliberal privatization of information vital to society.
I think that revealing all the stuff they have at once would produce a decrease in public attention after few months. You release docs every few months and keep the attention high on these facts. How many people would remember about the NSA evil practices revealed in 2013 by Snowden if everything had been revealed all at once and then nothing?
For someone who thinks they are a “great soul” (mahatma)
your great histrionics indicate otherwise.
The notion that this information is “vital to society” is in
contrast to the fact that most people in the faking U$A
use the internet and
support the predatory system of democrats and republicans
without giving much thought toward investigating anything
AND
this information will have little effect on most people’s
behavior in those regards.
I’m sure saying you want to vomit is really a great release for you,
but releasing information quickly is also suspicious behavior.
The cause of suspicion is the FACT that the Snowden archive is the private property of GG and perhaps a few others. It is not a public utility or part of the global commons it is private property and its owner is under the influence of the corporate oligarchy from which he receives payment for publication.
OH!
So now it is just a “suspicion” on your part.
How’s your tummy feel now that it is less sure of itself?
Not so Great?
The cause of suspicion is the FACT that the Snowden archive is the private property of GG and perhaps a few others.
The Intercept Is Broadening Access to the Snowden Archive. Here’s Why
Excerpt (bolding mine):
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/16/the-intercept-is-broadening-access-to-the-snowden-archive-heres-why/
Democracy Now, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Russel Brand, Laura Poitras, The Ted Show, Noam Chomsky, The Young Turks, Glenn Greenwald, etc, etc ~ slowly dieing from lack of sustainable integrity and honesty. More will get it as their cult conditioning slowly gets hacked away at. I see you are there already.
Please do not forget NYTimes, WashingtonPost, Slate, Salon, HuffingtonPost, Buzzfeed, CBS, MSNBC. Something has hold of each of these organizations & it isn’t public service.
Vomiting is good — it let’s all the poisons out so they will no longer harm you from within. :)
This is the kind of meaningless infighting on the left, that costs everyone so much, hyperbolic, vitriolic and completely without merit.
Calling Glenn Greenwald a neo-liberal and implying that he’s a puppet of corporate interest is about as accurate as calling Dondald Trump a Trotskyist.
The case for not dumping the entire archive has been well argued.
First of all, as we all know from the wikileaks dumps, dropping all of the info at once reduces the overall impact of the leak, as they get lumped together in the media as one single event and after a brief period of interest, it’s tagged as old news and gets no broad coverage. There’s probably still a ton of good stories in the Afghan and Iraq war logs, but who’s paying attention that today?
Secondly, there are legitimate security concerns for not just dumping unredacted secret information, such as protecting identities.
Third, it was Snowden’s decision not to realease it all at once. He made that judgement, and Glenn is honoring that decision. If Snowden wanted the info out there, he could could have thrown it up on the web himself, but he chose differently because he knew that would have been a mistake.
Like I commented above, this article doesn’t tell us anything new about NSA eavesdropping capabilities that we didn’t know before from previously published documents. All it does is confirm that the Shadow Broker leak is for real, and providing some context to what sort of tools are now being auctioned off to the highest bidders.
Oh, I’d guess Mahatma is just trying to sow discord in typical FBI COINTELPRO fashion:
http://fbiwallofshame.blogspot.com/2008/10/cointelpro-tactics.html
The problem with the “left” is their willingness to embrace anyone who claims to share their views, i.e. Mahatma saying “I have the highest respect for Snowden” before launching into a string of BS, without looking at the bigger picture. This kind of gullible naivety is all too common in “progressive groups” in the United States.
In reality, our institutions are full of two-faced lying backstabbing sleazebags, aka “con artists” which means they first try to gain a person’s confidence (1) before screwing them over (2). It’s seen over and over – gain trust, then engage in criminal behavior. FBI informants, child-molesting priests, dishonest politicians, etc. Symptoms of a sick society, really.
This doesn’t mean one needs to be paranoid or rabidly distrustful – but one should always consider whether someone is being honest or dishonest; a little sensitivity is called for. The “I respect Snowden but despise Greenwald” line is something of a giveaway, revealing of Mahatma’s true intentions, I think.
Why are you claiming that you “have the highest regard for Snowden” since it was Snowden who set the parameters of how to go about publishing the documents that he provided, and since then, Snowden has never expressed disagreement with Glenn Greenwald on how the documents have been published and disseminated? You think Snowden is a liar? You think Snowden is a man who has no agency? How do you explain your disconnect? Also, how do you explain that Glenn Greenwald holds “ownership” of the documents since the documents have been disseminated to multiple journalists and news organizations? Are you just screaming at clouds? Is that it? Oh, and what corporation are you referring to when you say The Intercept is “part of the corporate owned press?” In other words, be specific: what corporation owns The Intercept?
It is no certain fact that Snowden has had full and final say on publication. The documents reported on at WP Guardian and NYT are only a partial section of the archive, I don’t believe they have access to the full archive.
Snowden did a powerful thing and deserves great respect. That does not make him the owner any longer of the archive nor does it accrue to him the holy status of knowing and always knowing and doing “the right thing” regarding the publication of the archive.
You just can not get around the FACT that Greenwald, Poidres and perhaps a few others “own” that is to say they alone control the archive – that the archive is their private property by definition and that they (or at least Greenwald) have and do profit from publication. The Intercept is a full member of the corporate owned Neoliberal press – not the archive or the Intercept are part of any public utility or public advocacy they/it is the private property of a Neoliberal oligarch, or of Greenwald who is beholden to the Neoliberal oligarchy which pays him to publish when in fact the archive could be published without such compromise and the stink of corruption it gives off.
The object of FirstLook (in spite of its “nonprofit” status – Visa too is a nonprofit) is always first and foremost profits and the power to make more profits and there is no other reason why it exists. The publication of the Snowden archives by the Intercept is for the personal gain of the owner/oligarch to the exclusion of all else. There is no egalitarian motive, if there was, there would be something like ICIJ publishing this material instead of the Neoliberal corporate profit and intellectual property protection model.
“Snowden did a powerful thing and deserves great respect. That does not make him the owner any longer of the archive nor does it accrue to him the holy status of knowing and always knowing and doing ‘the right thing’ regarding the publication of the archive.”
Apparently you’re a bit late to the party.
That’s precisely why Snowden said he handed the entire archive to journalists rather than taking on himself the duty of figuring out what should be released and under what circumstances and conditions.
GG is both a journalist and a lawyer with a reputation for even-handed objective reporting — the perfect job description for someone taking on that duty.
For some reason, he didn’t pick you instead. Imagine that.
Before I read this story, I thought of the other Snowden documents TI released which interest me but I have not yet read. Tying the information – how could you not? – to this story is a much more substantive and digestible way comprehend the breadth and scope of the Snowden archives.
This format is great – it’s a newspaper. An aside: As valuable and interesting as WikiLeaks is, I have a hard time cozying up to/with it in bed .
Context is key. Having a broader readership understanding the technical tidbits inherent with all things cyber is a helluva lot more pleasurable than releasing the docs without explanation or context. Sure, some people could and would read it that way, but I prefer the collaboration at this publication instead.
Calling Mr Greenwald a neoliberal autocrat won’t stick.
I’ll just say, your so called reply to my comment and question is a total train wreck. You’re fucking shitty at whatever it is that you think you’re doing.
casting stones are you?
Ah, bullshit. Snowden specifically handed this stuff over to Greenwald and Laura Poitras because he felt that they would disseminate it in a responsible manner.
Methinks that you are butthurt because your favourite news outlet could.not.be.trusted.
Today,no news outlet can be trusted.A sad and verifiable fact,look at this site,TO,TD,Alternet,Common dreams,the Graun, the Independent,Salon,the Nation,Huff Post etc etc etc etc all bastions of hell bitch BS and Trump bashing,as bad as the MSM.
Even alleged conservative sites like American Conservative are filled with zionist mole traitors,all nakedly anti Trump whores.
In fact this one sided,complete mockery of fair play,is unprecedented in american history,and a sign of the monsters hysteria at an American POTUS acting in Americas interests,not Israels.