I made a mistake on Twitter on Sunday night. When I learned that a man with an assault rifle had stormed into a Washington pizzeria to “self-investigate” an online conspiracy theory for which there is no evidence — that the restaurant is a front for child sex abuse involving Hillary Clinton — I decided to confront some of the alt-right bloggers who had played a role in spreading the hoax on the social network.
The gunman, Edgar M. Welch, surrendered after telling the police that he had discovered that there were no child sex slaves being held at the pizza place, Comet Ping Pong, despite the lurid fantasies he had read online about a made-up scandal known as “PizzaGate,” which surfaced just before Election Day.
Search all Podesta emails for these keywords. We are uncovering a child sex ring.#PodestaEmails28 pic.twitter.com/h6N6O76sAw
— Jared Wyand ???????? (@JaredWyand) November 3, 2016
Those who had worked diligently to spread the hoax — and others who had a hard time accepting that it was obviously not true — had by Sunday night started to claim that Welch himself was part of the plot. He shot up the pizzeria, they said, as a “false flag” attack to distract attention from the (entirely imaginary) scandal they claimed to have uncovered by reading between the lines of hacked emails published by WikiLeaks.
False flag. Planted Comet Pizza Gunman will be used to push for censorship of independent news sources that are not corporate owned
— Jack Posobiec (@JackPosobiec) December 4, 2016
Pro-Trump conspiracy theorists who fabricated "pizzagate" now claim man who attacked pizzeria as a result is part of the conspiracy https://t.co/oRXXi0vzDE
— Robert Mackey (@RobertMackey) December 5, 2016
The supposed "gunman" at @cometpingpong is a FALSE FLAG. The traffic camera facing @cometpingpong was moved YESTERDAY.#pizzagate #pedofiles pic.twitter.com/GAzHmiQbF2
— Rusty Shackleford (@HaveASeatNWO) December 5, 2016
What is wrong with you? https://t.co/Bqr6k00Px8
— Robert Mackey (@RobertMackey) December 5, 2016
There is zero evidence connecting the gunman (who gave no statement) and #pizzagate. None. This is more fake news.
— Mike Cernovich ???????? (@Cernovich) December 5, 2016
Except the gunman's own statement to police that he was inspired by your fabricated conspiracy theory https://t.co/De5EgAdayH
— Robert Mackey (@RobertMackey) December 5, 2016
Islamic terror attack: Not all Muslims!
Nutcase walks Into Comet Pizza with gun: Anyone who even mentioned #PizzaGate is responsible!
— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) December 5, 2016
You are responsible for this https://t.co/XKIqBrybdY
— Robert Mackey (@RobertMackey) December 5, 2016
Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many "coincidences" tied to it. https://t.co/8HA9y30Yfp
— Michael G Flynn???????? (@mflynnJR) December 5, 2016
Here's our next National Security Adviser's son demanding proof that fantasies fabricated by Trump supporters to damage Clinton are not true https://t.co/B0ttnzFss4
— Robert Mackey (@RobertMackey) December 5, 2016
I’ll admit there was something quixotic about the premise behind my intervention, namely the hope that people who have devoted hundreds of hours to spreading falsehoods intended to boost Donald Trump by tarnishing Hillary Clinton would suddenly transform into responsible adults when confronted by the dangerous behavior of a man who mistook the fantasy they peddled for reality.
But watching the campaign of disinformation that lifted Trump to the presidency continue and even accelerate after Election Day poses an obvious challenge for professional journalists, whose careers are dedicated to the premise that facts matter.
I was not alone. Jake Tapper of CNN, another journalist who understands the power of social media to amplify both genuinely valuable information and baseless rumors concocted by partisan political operatives, took those who spread the conspiracy theory to task.
Predictable result of people irresponsibly spreading insane falsehoods on social media. What could have happened is terrifying — https://t.co/15PHVvyk7o
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) December 4, 2016
Among those Tapper confronted on Twitter was Michael G. Flynn, who was at that point a member of Trump’s transition team and whose father, Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, has been named the next president’s national security adviser. Flynn the younger was kicked off the transition team on Tuesday.
@mflynnJR asking you for evidence of what DC police call a "fictitious conspiracy theory" isn't trolling, Michael.
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) December 5, 2016
Flynn’s willingness to adopt the default position of conspiracy theorists — demanding that the rest of us prove that the wild fantasies they have concocted without evidence are not true — matters because he has been a close aide to his father, who promoted a previous version of the false rumor that Clinton was involved in the sexual abuse of children on the eve of the election.
U decide – NYPD Blows Whistle on New Hillary Emails: Money Laundering, Sex Crimes w Children, etc…MUST READ! https://t.co/O0bVJT3QDr
— General Flynn (@GenFlynn) November 3, 2016
The senior Flynn, a former intelligence chief, is likely aware of the long history of elaborate hoaxes in political history. Earlier this year, he co-wrote a book with Michael Ledeen, a former Reagan official who was involved in the Iran-Contra deception. Ledeen was once accused of secretly collaborating with an Italian intelligence service that specialized in disinformation campaigns to tarnish the reputation of Jimmy Carter’s brother, Billy, just two weeks before the 1980 presidential election.
Sharif Silmi, a lawyer who was playing ping pong at Comet with his wife and three children when the gunman burst in — and who photographed the Welch’s surrender to police — wrote that he held those who spread wild tales about the pizza place responsible for endangering their lives.
Suspect at #cometpizza apprehended great job @DCPoliceDept pic.twitter.com/NfEdHfHh5v
— Sharif Silmi, Esq (@bayreef) December 4, 2016
I hold @RogerJStoneJr and @RealAlexJones responsible for putting my family in danger today at the @cometpingpong
— Sharif Silmi, Esq (@bayreef) December 4, 2016
Silmi soon received the same response as reporters who confronted the conspiracy theorists: a barrage of abuse, including hysterical claims that we were all in on the plot.
@bayreef wheres your proof pizza gate is fake cuz the MSM says so?why do u find it soooo hard to believe? Are you one of those sickos ??
— #PizzaGate (@AngiieStylinson) December 5, 2016
#FBI #DOJ #CIA INVESTIGATE @bayreef CONNECTED TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING #CometPingPOng #PSYOP #PizzaGate. #ClintonFoundation @RealAlexJones https://t.co/rkp0WZ3Z9m
— gab.ai/MountainMagic (@mountainmagic12) December 5, 2016
Look at these nut jobs lol I don't know whether to laugh or cry. https://t.co/cjcOMK47Fj
— Sharif Silmi, Esq (@bayreef) December 5, 2016
Silmi’s decision to single out Alex Jones, a pro-Trump internet radio host who helped amplify the wild speculation about Comet pizza found in 4chan and Reddit threads, led to an extremely bizarre dialogue between the two men on Monday. (Jones featured clips from the interview on his YouTube channel, but the complete exchange is also available.)
After Silmi said that the rumors about something nefarious happening at the pizza place were baseless, Jones — who claims that the September 11 attacks and the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School were staged by the U.S. government — insisted that the online hysteria over the restaurant, which he referred to as an “investigation,” was warranted.
“Clearly,” Jones said, “there’s code going on,” referring to mentions of the restaurant and the ordering of pizza in emails hacked from the account of John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, and published by WikiLeaks. All he was asking for, Jones said, was law enforcement to investigate the (entirely imaginary) goings on at the pizzeria.
Silmi’s conversation with Jones, like my own brief exchange with one of the most prominent boosters of the #PizzaGate hoax — the popular alt-right blogger Mike Cernovich — revealed something interesting about the mindset of those engaged in the vast campaign of disinformation that has helped to elevate Trump to the presidency. They fend off accusations that they are propagandists by claiming to be engaged in investigative journalism.
@RobertMackey It's just a few hundred thousand people online investigating this issue. Why so afraid?
— LordKek2020 (@LordKek2020) December 5, 2016
Cernovich, for instance, accused me of “trying to silence journalists” while demanding to know why I had not reported on Dennis Hastert, the former congressman jailed in April for covering up his sexual abuse of young members of a wrestling team he once coached.
.@RobertMackey You're spending all night trying to silence journalists, but you said nothing about convicted pedophile Dennis Hastert. Why? pic.twitter.com/53ROGcHZXm
— Mike Cernovich ???????? (@Cernovich) December 5, 2016
Dozens of Cernovich’s followers took his hint and bombarded me with ugly messages accusing me of being a pedophile and working to cover up a scandal they persisted in treating as real.
But before he started styling himself as an investigative journalist, Cernovich was quite frank about his role as a propagandist, telling the New Yorker in September that his objective was simply to get as much attention as possible any “story that can hurt Hillary.”
Given the results, it is hard to argue that I was anything but foolish to have tried to argue sense into these people, but it is important to realize that the phenomenon we are confronting here is not simply fake news of the sort peddled for profit by apolitical entrepreneurs on Facebook. This is something different: a hoax created and released into the darker reaches of the internet for the express purpose of damaging the reputation of the Democratic candidate for the presidency.
As with many other false stories about Clinton that have widely spread online — like the baseless rumor promoted by Infowars and then Trump that millions of non-citizens illegally voted for her, and were encouraged to do so by President Obama — this should be described as what it is: disinformation, or the sort of “black propaganda” intelligence agencies have fabricated in decades past to smear politicians they see as enemies.
While the exact provenance of the conspiracy theory about Comet pizzeria is hard to trace, perhaps intentionally, it includes one detail that seems like a clue that it was invented by a political operative. Comet is owned by James Alefantis, who, as the New York Times reports, was once in a relationship with David Brock, a former conservative operative who switched sides and became a stalwart defender of Hillary Clinton. Brock is the sharp-elbowed founder of Media Matters for America, a website hated by conservatives for doggedly tracking and debunking misleading reports from Fox News and right-wing outlets.
Whatever its true origin, now that it has been released into the wild, the PizzaGate conspiracy theory is threatening to spiral into further violence, and the anger it has provoked has spilled beyond the intended target. The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that employees of a nearby pizzeria have been harassed online, on the phone, and in person.
Abdel Hammad’s Besta Pizza was swept up in the witch hunt shortly after the election, when the company that maintains his website alerted him to an astonishing new review. Someone had alleged that his shop’s simple, pizza-shaped logo was also a symbol of child pornography.
He was stunned.
“It’s a slice of pizza,” Hammad said.
He removed the logo from his site but couldn’t afford the more than $2,000 to pay for new signs.
“Why did you change the website?” anonymous callers began screaming at him over the phone.
“We’re going to put a bullet in your head,” threatened another.
Last week, Hammad said, a pair of protesters barged into his shop and photographed a manager, who broke his fingers when he tried to stop them.
Other nearby businesses have also reported harassment, in fits of misdirected rage that recall an incident in Wales several years go, when, in the midst of a tabloid newspaper hysteria about child sex abuse, a pediatrician was forced to flee her home after vigilantes, confused about her professional title, mistook her for a pedophile and painted the slang word “Paedo” on her front door.
Top photo: Edgar Maddison Welch, the gunman who stormed into Comet Ping Pong in Washington on Sunday, surrendered to the police after discovering no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that motivated his raid.
trump attacked the press, knowing they would scrutinize him, negative news sells better then positive. this biased the polls, giving dems false sense of security, that their votes were not as important
I think we’re looking at a hoax within a hoax. The real hoax is the notion that pedophilia is not a prominant activity within some circles of the “ruling class”. It reminds me of the wolf dressing up as Grandma in “Little Red Riding Hood”. If you take a look at some of Tony Podesta’s “art” depicting one after another disturbing image of children in abhorant scenarios and poses, it’s clear that some of these creatures in positions of power and influence should be kept away from children.
Where is the evidence that any of this disinformation is responsible for Donald Trump’s election? Show us.
Actually, Joey, according to YOUR rules, you’re required to prove that disinformation was NOT responsible for that dumbass’s election.
> Disinformation, Not Fake News, Got Trump Elected, and It Is Not Stopping
Yes… I guess that the fact that the alternative was having a complete lunatic and evil witch as a president had no role in the whole outcome… Great thinking…
As for pizzagate and all the other scandals regarding Hitlery, I don’t believe they have mattered much in bringing her down (or, at least, they shouldn’t). The woman is obviously evil and obviously deranged. A few minutes listening to her is enough to see what I am saying. I am just glad Americans picked up the nasty smell this time and went for the way-better option. Not to mention the disgrace it would have been for Americans to have Hitlery as a president, even if she didn’t start WW3 as it would be very natural for her to do without 2nd thoughts or even if she didn’t do the horrible things she promised or wanted to do…
Honestly, hearing and looking at her (as well as many other people around her), I think that pedophilia is too little of an evil to keep her satisfied. I would bet that in order to reach that kind of insanity and darkness one would have to be involved into much worse practices than that and for a very long time…
All in all, good riddance!
Getting her out of politics for ever is enough to MAGA alone in itself.
So, I consider Trump’s promise on that as been fulfilled already.
I am really afraid that Trump will not help jailing her (as he promised and as she deserves to be treated by the law) after all the crying calls she made to him, but I guess that’s how Trump is : not an evil and angry witch and always willing to forgive and unite. No wonder every lunatic hates him.
So, let’s say hello to change, even if it took another president, this time not a puppet and not a pro-liar, to deliver it. Even if his presidency is a disaster, the whole world is certain that it would be a much greater, much more painful and bloody disaster if Hitlery was in his place. And this is not based on any news, but on her own words, actions and history alone.
Accusations of pedophilia against critics is called “kompromat” in Putin’s Russia. It can go so far as planting false evidence on your computer. See
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/vladimir-putin-russia-fake-news-hacking-cybersecurity.html
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/clintons-internet-supporters-allegedly-using-porno.html
I agree with Robert. When I first read about this incident, I really didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Fortunately, the gunman didn’t injure any patrons.
Did you not read the Podesta emails full of pedophile references? Did you view the disturbing Instagram posts by James Alefantis and his cohorts? And you think nothing is going on?
No, it’s called being a grown educated adult and not thinking every picture and word you see is a secret code of conspiracy. Pizza is a food you eat with sauce and cheese. Sometimes, artsy gay men share images, photos and art that may be not to your liking. Are you going to burn down the Hischorn museum next? It must be nearly impossible for you to get through your daily life.
I did Stan and I suspect that many were veiled references to pedophilia – else I am at a complete loss to explain Alefantis choice of diction. More curios still was his on camera performance in the immediate wake of the scandal where in he refers to a his pizza parlor (wink) as a “Bloved institution.” Rather strange choice of words considering his choice of corporate logos (BLogo).
https://www.google.com/search?q=Alefantis+Blogo&biw=1280&bih=597&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD_qHsyerQAhVT3mMKHR28CQkQ_AUIBygC#imgrc=4SjBwkz-D49imM%3A
Exactly. The Intercept is printing many of the same stories the fake media are.
Oh, read it, know alot about PizzaGate but the title???? where is the massive disinformation that got Trump elected……. waiting for some. I get it , turning an article about fake news into just that!
This article contains false and misleading information-please correct.
The references to what Alex Jones is said to have done is incorrect and false and a simple watching of the Alex Jones publicly avaliable shows confirms this.
Shoddy journalism!
All you have to do is actually watch what Alex Jones says instead of reporting what others make up or you fill in on your own.
Alex Jones did NOT invent invent, extensively report or encourage Pizzagate-in fact he ignored it to such an extent that the Alex Jones show was bombarded every day by pizzagate people to report on it.
Alex Jones was accused by a deluge of people covering up pizzagate-how can the reporting miss this?
So after ignoring pizzagate Alex Jones was forced to issue a special report by his nightly news crew on pizzagate in later November where they publicly stated they had nothing on pizzagate so thats why they we not reporting on it.
They additionally said that you cant go around accusing people of this without any proof and they were going to move on from pizzagate unless anything really newsworthy happened.
Why doesnt the reporter know this its publicly avaliable on Youtube-bad reporting.
In addition your reporting on the pizza symbol is incorrect.
here’s the corrected version-someone got hold of the FBI’s pedophile code words and when someone claimed there was a reference to child porn people applied the FBI’s codewords and you got pizzagate.
in addition the reporting of the pedophile sex symbol is incorrect.
a governemnt official involved in child sex trafficing owns a pizza parlo which display clearly on the menu an FBI pedophile symbol-why nobody knoiws but that symbol was removed from the menu once pizzagate exploded.
EVERYHTING can be confirmed from Alex Jones videos on youtube.
Please correct your reporting.
Glenn Greenwald and the Intercept are a godsend truthful reporting but this is another article I have caught here that factually incorrect and the real facts can be easily verified just by watching the publicly availbe Alex Jones videos on youtube.
How come the author of the article didnt do that?
Actually, no. Alex Jones published several posts and videos, including one called “Pizzagate Is Real.” He has since taken some of the videos off of YouTube, but the pages exist in their cached form. You’re being played by people like Jones who make money off of making up stories and getting you to spread them and be his believers and fans.
Why do conspiracy theorists like the person posting above have this strange cadence to their posts? I see it in the comments section of any number of sites, it’s sort of rambling, like they have so many things bubbling up in their minds that they can’t work out which word to type first. The posts also ignore conventions of grammar, spelling and capitalization but it’s more than that, it’s a rhythm and it’s a very odd rhythm.
-Mona-, Gert, and Perry are all the same person. With this in mind, go back and read the way in which Mona Holland uses sock puppets to frame the debate and knock down all opposing opinion.
Mona Holland is Glenn Greenwald’s “number one fan.” Google the name sometime and track the wake of contempt that she inspires with her obsessive behavior. Examine the labels that she uses in an attempt to impugn those who call her out for the compulsive liar that she is. Very often those labels are eerily reflective of her own character. When she resorts to call her opposition “mentally ill”, it is with the intention of preemptively short circuiting the express realization that it is she that is unbalanced.
Have you ever seen a rat hiss and spit when cornered, watch how Mona addressees this legitimate criticism of her incessantly malignant rancor.
Complete nonsense.
Prove it, Karl.
Still, someone who believes “Pizzagate” is real will believe anything, of course.
See? What did I tell you?? She cannot help herself.
the reasoning eludes me . . . giving Trump the election? To say Clinton, the DNC, DWS – all on an ego trip? Call me a skeptic – or maybe too old, but I do not believe any of it…. I do see where we the people may be in trouble – but that includes Trump – who has not been sworn in yet and therefore no cabinet – YET. I see a possible revolution – heads rolling – disaster – recession – depression….possibilities. WE will survive we always do – – and we do it without the bomb shelters under all the buildings in DC or their personal protection. . . Jumping to conclusions??
James Alefantis posts this pic of a baby in a hammock.
https://i.sli.mg/RJSVVs.jpg
His comments thereon – “#carisjames”, “Why does daddy like BUTT?” and “#buttmag” and “illtellyouwhenyerolder”.
Another comment “Yes, baby, that’s a catapult”.
Its another cute baby pic.
What made Alefantis think of butts in a sexual context when looking at this picture.
Who would post such a comment on a baby pic? What does this say about him.
If you look at the enlarged picture, the baby’s butt is outlined quite clearly.
So Alefantis looks at a baby’s diapered butt and makes a sexual comment thereon.
Quite a decent timeline on “Pizzagate”, here
(trigg warning: MSM!)
Interesting account at HOW PEDOPHILIA LOST ITS COOL
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/12/how-pedophilia-lost-its-cool
& it was SO cool back in the day too.
Like the song went, “beach baby beach baby there on the sand, pedophilia is so cool man”.
All those songs where they used to sing the word “BABY” all the time?
They were singing about REAL BABIES.
Gert here says this below ““jimmycomet” answered another commenter with “#hotard”. That’s about it. Go call the FBI.”
Now this is another attempted piece of disinformation by Gert to cover up Alefantis’ creepy child related instagram posts.
This is the third picture in this archive of some of Alefantis’ instagram posts.
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM
The picture is a close up of a baby’s face. Only the eyes, nose, and mouth can be seen. The mouth is open and the tongue is visible.
James Alefantis’ comments thereon under the name Jimmy Comet include – “#carisjames”, “#musthave”, “#themostexpensiveaccessory”, and disturbingly “#hotard” which derives from whore+retard and is a sexual term.
As I pointed out below in a longer comment, this is one of several creepy child related pics on Alefantis’ instagram. Now all I did in this thread was to point out certain instagram posts of Alefantis which have children related creepiness. At least four picture posts use express words that sexualize pictures of babies and children.
People like Gert have stooped to personal attacks on me for pointing out that the FBI should investigate.
I ask again why are Gert, Vic Perry and Mona here so invested in a cover-up of Alefantis’ creepy instagram posts that they obfuscate, mis-inform, lie and attack? Paid establishment shills?
I think you’re possibly mentally ill, Seema.
There’s nothing in that picture that represents creepiness or sexualisation of children (although the ultra-prudish and agenda-driven will see sexualised images of children in a slice of pizza, if the mood takes them! See also the ‘code’ in Podesta’s leaked emails)
Quit playing l’Ingénue, Seema. You’ve done much more than that:
* Claim a woman was underage when there was no reason to believe that,
* Claim masking tape was duct tape,
* Link to a fascist webblog,
* Call a story published on a rubbish alternonsense clickbait site ‘chilling’.
Go back to your hellhole, before the people you’re appealing to find out what you’ve been peddling here…
I merely described the picture. It is a cute baby picture with nothing sexual about it. But James Alefantis tags the pic with #hotard.
Btw, your baseless ad hominem attacks against me will not shut my voice.
So a baby pic tagged with #hotard is fine by you.
A baby pic tagged with “Why daddy loves BUTT” is fine by you.
A baby pic tagged with #chickenlovers is fine by you.
A picture of a toddler taped to a table is fine by you. And you know it was masking tape. Exactly how do you know this.
A picture of a baby with a for sale sign is fine by you.
All I have done is suggest that the FBI has enough cause to interview Alefantis about his instagram. The FBI might perhaps want to ascertain that the girl was not abused. That a baby was not at risk. And it might want to know what the tag #carisjames means?
The rest of your drivel does not merit a response. So feel free to wander off and ignore my comments.
You’ve fallen hook, line and sinker for a potentially very damaging hoax, Seema. One with clear origins, motives and mode of propagation.
Try and wean yourself off. Even the ‘citizen investigators’ will eventually get tired of their games…
I’m with Seema.
Great points you make Seema
Franz…Ray…George — make it stop.
Light relief: Colbert on “Pizzagate”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfXWXNItF_Y
OK ,,
If you listen to mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADN1lLEp3H0
I’ll do yours . That’s a promise Gert ! I’m a man of my word .
BTW– There’s a mandatory 4 second lead in advertisement which I have not been able to cut out . Click the button after the 4 seconds and you’ll get a feeling called –Mudbone !
BTW—Any one know how to clip the lead in advertisement from a utube download ?
Sorry Gert , I watched but it was like taking medicine . Colbert was OK as long as he was a political reporter on a comedy show fronted by John Stewart . He just can’t make it on his own ,, for me that is . I loved him when he did Stewart’s show ! His show’s ratings are in the toilet .
BTW I did watch and same old same old . To Each His Own ,,Right ?
Adam Schiff that dickhead(D) from Burbank Ca on the all to mercurial down low…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-08/congressman-calls-foxs-tucker-carlson-russian-agent-prime-time-television
Hey Mona, there are great days and then there are the ones like when old Mo parted the river with a wave of his rod . You are in a battle now .
Like the guy,, ( he blew his head off in Ketchum Kansas ),, said
” put your shock-proof-shit-guards on ”
—
luv ya —Mudbone
Yeah ,
Been there ,, done that ! Now all I got is this lousy baked silicon contraption and the never ending craziness of existence . My folks have progressed from throwing rocks to drone bombing ,, from grunts to poetry , from jitterbugging to ballet .
So It Goes—- K. Vonnegut
And what does this mean ‘handerchief map that is pizza related’?
From:john.podesta@gmail.com
To: ses@sandlerfoundation.org
Date: 2014-09-04 02:28
Subject: Re: Did you leave a handkerchief
It’s mine, but not worth worrying about.
On Sep 2, 2014 2:54 PM, “Sandler, Susan” wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems
> pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you’re
> busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.
_____
Friends of Comet Pizza: include heavy breathing (http://heavybreathing.net/)
Seema ,
Treat Mona& Dance Co. with all the respect they deserve .
NONE !!!!
@Mudbone
Yeah this trinity deserves no respect. Their coordinated attack makes me wonder if all three are the same person.
But it was revealing to see all three so rattled by the expose of James Alefantis’ creepy children related instagram posts.
Why would they be so invested in a cover-up. Shameful how all three attacked me for exposing that Alefantis labeled a baby’s picture with the word hotard.
Mr. MacKey obviously did not read the Podesta emails available on Wikileaks for himself. I did after reading what I thought to be outrageous accusations on Reddit and elsewhere. Instead of reaffirming my initial disbelief in “Pizza Gate”, Podesta’s own emails raised suspicion. His comments when referring to “pizza” in his emails are obviously code for something else. The context and flow of email responses are bizarre. As for the Comet Pizza “shop owner”, his own social media posts involving children are odd. Perhaps he simply has a twisted sense of humor. And why is a pizza shop owner listed as one of the most powerful men in Washington D.C.?
They ‘re back ! The greateast Song&Dance since the Blessed Trinity ! I give you,,
MONA,, GERT,, and VicPERRY —–
Scene setting — A little pissoir outside a bar on the outskirts of Paris
-Mona——>Things like this convince me there is no god.
-Gert———> You’re a moron, Seema.
-Vic Perry–>Oh MY God. Seema is so fucking stupid.
________________________________________
Get the thrust of this intellectual dance folks ?
Is it true that Karl fucks goats in your basement, Mudbone? I read that on the Tinderwebs…
Son ,, I’m beyond ” Nah, Na ,, na , ,,na,, Nah of adolescent teasing .
But I will say this to you :
Your Momma was one of the goats !!
Deal with it !!
We are now living in George Orwell’s 1984 and the mother-fakers are in control.
I am disappointed by this dismissive article and its lack of substance, especially when GG’s article on the ProporNot hit piece by the Washington Post was so good. While Pizzagate may ultimately be revealed to be false, not one of the articles claiming it to be so has addressed or attempted to explain the available “evidence,” including the serious creepiness of the instagram posts of Alefantis or the odd emails of Podesta, which do appear to contain code. Are the disturbing child-related instragram photos not truly his? If they are his, do you not see anything deeply disturbing about many of them? What about Tony Podesta’s disturbing art involving bound children? Real? And if the art, the instagram posts, and the code words have been shown to be used in pedo rings, why shouldn’t people begin to suspect a deeper level of darkness here? What hard evidence is there that this is nothing more than a partisan attack?
By simply attacking those who are commenting on this weirdness and just trying to make sense of it all, articles like these seem nothing more than further contributions to a very dark cover-up. Child trafficking is real. Pedophilia is real. Sandusky was real. Saville was real. Is it so far-fetched that those at the highest reaches of power are implicated in something like this?
Was hoping to get a much better substantive article on this topic than this.
Right. Something like the kid with tape on her arms, anybody who has eaten in a kid-friendly restaurant could get that as a joke. But the one of the man holding a toddler labeled “chickenlover” — there is no good explanation for that, unless it’s a hoax. Like that label was stuck on by a hoaxer and then attributed to Alefantis. Okay, sure. Why not just write the piece of journalism that establishes that? Instead of a series of pieces that say “fake news, idiots, right-wingers, conspiracy theories, cheeto-eating redditors”.
Or the picture of John Podesta with the fish on one hand and 14 on the other. That could mean anything. A pedophilia explanation has been attached to it, but maybe he’s an avid fisherman? and he caught 14 fish, or a fish weighing 14 pounds, and he was showing off? Fine, write that article!
Or the weird creepy art collected by Tony Podesta. It’s actually hard to think of any non-horrific angle on why a painting of a tiny boy in underpants looking terrified hanging from his wrists exists, or why anyone would collect that art, but hey, expand my aesthetic horizons with a journalistic explanation.
And, sure, these kinds of suggestions are different, and worse, than what is well-established about the appetites of Bill Clinton confidante Jeffrey Epstein and his elite guests for teenage girls. But there is a shared theme of the sexually-motivated going after of vulnerable innocents in circles where plenty of worldly adults, male and female, would have been more than willing sexual partners. Men this powerful have their choice of willing grownup partners. A sort of shared taste for preferring to be really predatory instead is something we already know for sure was indulged among Clintonites; maybe it actually was only as bad as we already know it to have been. But I don’t think, absent explanation for what has been circulating, we should be lectured about how we simply must accept it couldn’t possibly have been worse.
Is the tape in this picture duct tape or masking tape? We cannot know unless this is investigated. https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/tag/comet-ping-pong-pizza/
Mona claims it cannot be duct tape because according to her duct tape is dark grey.
First the tape in the picture could be white or beige. And it could be white or beige duct tape.
See duct tape colors at http://www.staples.com/Duct-Tape/cat_CL167765
Shocking to see how invested Mona is in covering this up.
Things like this convince me there is no god. This was just posted here. No, really, this truly was just posted:
The picture shows MASKING tape. The owner of the restaurants says it is masking tape. It is the light beige of…M*A*S*K*I*N*G tape, as opposed to the dark grey that is nearly all duct tape.
But commenters here seriously want the Federal Bureau of Investigation to investigate the tape!11!!1!!
Seema should also make a referral to the SEC — she once told me she sent them a complaint about my comments here. No, really, not kidding. She also did that.
Who knows: maybe duct tape is much more narrow and yellow/beige instead of wide (about 2″) and grey in India? I somehow doubt it though…
beige duct tape https://www.amazon.com/Duck-Brand-1303155-Inches-Single/dp/B002TOL450
And yes there is white duct tape as well.
And yes duct tape is available in different widths.
The only two things the picture tells us is that the tape is narrow and beige/ white.
Reinforced narrow duct tape is available in beige and white.
The picture cannot tell us whether the tape was re-inforced duct tape, or whether it was masking tape. And neither can the picture tell us how flimsy or strong the tape was. Only an investigation can.
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=narrow+duct+tape&rlz=1C1CHZL_enIN708IN708&espv=2&biw=1093&bih=530&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwja2pboxOXQAhUILo8KHfGcCBsQsAQILA
You can entertain yourself with duct tape variations at the link above.
Your personal attacks and taunts make no difference to me. By targeting a whistleblower you merely expose yourself.
I will not waste my time responding to such insults and taunts.
And who are you to tell me what I should or should not do.
Your comments about me are malicious and motivated. You are targeting a whistleblower. Anyone who reads paragraph 19 onward of my appeal at http://seemasapra.blogspot.in/2016/03/criminal-appeal-filed-today-in-supreme.html will know that I am a legit whistleblower against GE.
Your denials mean nothing. They merely expose you as a corporate shill.
It matters very little who or what you are outside the “Pizzagate” context.
What matters is that you are actively promoting a baseless and potentially very harmful conspiracy theory and that your belief in that “theory” is based on the flimsiest of grounds. That’s moronic in itself.
Disappointed to see this view taken here… Pizzagate is real. Media is terrified to confront and investigate the evidence. David Seaman is covering this extensively:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4hC0a_9ALA
LOL at anybody who wants us to go watch youtube videos rather than make a coherent argument.
What STAN, you got places to be, things to do?
You are a very unfortunate person who shares an affliction with others who often are mentally ill. Tho she has not invoked the phrase “Targeted Individual,” Seema sets forth many of the same paranoid complaints, including in an avalanche of court papers.
Ask her to quote in full paragraph 8 of the court paper currently on the front page of her web site. She won’t do it. Becasue to read it is to understand the precise nature and extent of her problem.
You and she are the sorts of afflicted people who believe and promote this pernicious “Pizzagate” nonsense and are thereby causing hell for innocent people.
Two “Targeted Individuals” have gone on shooting sprees and murdered people. This is not benign bullshit; it is dangerous bullshit.
I didn’t watch the video (I watched his previous one: this guy is spewing out UToob clickbait like there’s no tomorrow!) but it’s worth having a quick gander at the ‘up next’ stack!
Oh MY God. Seema is so fucking stupid. Seema simply can’t fathom that writing repeatedly:
“Police probe one-month old baby girl….”
…I have to, I take it, explain slowly to Seema why this is so stupid. Seema, your phrasing literally means that the police PROBED a baby. Which would in itself be a form of sexual abuse. Which is why it is so pathetic that Seema pretends to be some kind of language detective.
Seema can’t write and Seema can’t read —-soooooo
naturally I’m skeptical of Seema’s ability to comprehend written information, much less arrive at brilliant deductions regarding nefarious plots discovered via Seema’s reading of internet info.
Oooooo, if you could read you’d find I merely reproduced the headline of a published news report. There is no phrasing by Seema here, dickhead.
But I am happy to excite such eloquence in you.
Yeah you reproduced it 3 times without noticing that it was idiotically worded, so no, you are not off the grammatical hook, loathsome illiterate.
Some of the other tiles of the posts at Seema’s absolutely reliable, only-interested-in-the-troof site:
“Negroid Male Found with Record-Setting Amount of Child Porn”
“Shocking! Watch What These Filthy Muslims Do to a German Woman for No Reason”
Is that real? The first headline I mean? That’s hilarious.
What was the previous record-setting amount of child porn? Is this a landmark, ike breaking the 4 minute mile in child porn?
It’s for real, and there’s a pile more of lunatic, offensive shit at that site.
So now according to the idiot Mona, I am answering for all the news posted on the UK’s Miirror website because I linked to one article there.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cops-investigate-one-month-old-9029911
What an idiot!
And no I don’t think there is really anything drastically wrong in this headline “Police probe one-month-old baby girl put up for SALE on eBay for £4,500″.
Hope you can find more productive use for your time.
never stop probing, Seema
Should have read So now according to the idiot Mona, I am answerable for all the news posted on the UK’s Miirror website because I linked to one article there.
“Should have read” —-
You should put this on your tombstone
How petty you are.
Or angry because I called you out for defending Alefantis, a man who called a baby hotard.
Tsk.
I don’t even know who Alefantis is, so I doubt you are going to find a comment where I defend Alefantis.
Idiots write like idiots and an idiot you are most definitely. I don’t even need to know the context to get that. Besides I already knew you were a moron from your previous visits to Intercept.
Then why have you been attacking me. I was only commenting about Alefantis, What made you respond? So Vic Perry confirms he is an angry petty liar.
He is now acting like a 6 year old calling me names.
You very funny. You not make angry. You like bad movie and popcorn.
“I was only commenting about Alefantis.” actually no, you commented on many things besides Alefantis, such as Jeff Koons’s wife, and the size of duct tape, and why linking to stupid newspapers doesn’t reflect badly on you.
bad movie, inadvertently funny
Mona, Is that second video half as good as it sounds…? :)
Dunno, but in addition to the article titled: “New Video: Michelle Obama is a Tranny,” the site also has a detailed discussion of an award-winning “Jewish porn star.”
Like I said earlier :
” HAVE A NICE DAY MONA . “
Look at this picture of the little girl taped to a table. https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/tag/comet-ping-pong-pizza/
Now all we can see is tape. From the picture we cannot definitely conclude if it is duct tape or masking tape. We don’t even know when and where the picture was taken. Who the child is. Was she in danger. Were her legs bound as well. Was she abused in any way.
Try posting a picture like this online and then see if the FBI/ Police interviews you or not. Why is Alefantis so above the law that this should not be investigated.
According to Mona, this is only a “a joke about keeping kids quiet at the restaurant where customers consume pizza.” Really, did she investigate? Did the FBI or the Police arrive at this conclusion? So a child was taped to the table in Alefantis’ restaurant as a joke? And we should just believe that because Mona says so.
“And we should just believe that because Mona says so.”——-
Well ,, come on now . Mona is above reproach . She/He has no personal agenda .
After all , an “Educated” person who says things such as :
“Karl fucks goats in his mom’s basement ”**
is only trying to bring us common folks to her/his level of discourse .
_______________________________________________________
**—-Mona- ? Vic Perry
December 8 2016, 2:08 p.m.
Karl fucks goats in his mom’s basement, which is why they won’t stamp his hand to let him into Chuck E. Cheese. This is true; I read it on the Internet.
Shame on Mona.
She does not want this disturbing picture investigated because according to her we must believe her that it was only masking tape.
Note – There is no objective way to verify this unless this is investigated.
I sometimes wonder whether Mona lacks a brain. Does she get fed with the dribble she posts here.
Seema’s not picky who she links to: saboteur365 is obsessed with Jooooz & Muzzies. These sites, presumably, are the “Citizen Journalists” we should get our Real News from!
I only linked for the picture which is authentic.
Try finding something real to hit me with.
So you don’t think the general tone and quality of the sources you link to matters at all? Well yeah, that would be quite typical of you Seema!
What we “should believe” is that the picture shows fucking masking tape. Which is how the pizzeria owner also identified it.
There is no reason to ask who this child is, whether she was abused, or anything else.
But there is reason for the FBI to be investigating a slew of threats against his man and his family, and a shooting, that occurred at his restaurant. All as a result of people like you, people who are often so depraved and/or unstable they don’t care what they are doing to these people’s lives.
To repeat: Do you know why convicted pedophiles cannot be held in the general prison population? You and those like you won’t stop even once someone is killed, will you?
Shame. On. You.
Re -Mona-
I refuse to engage with her because every sentence she utters about me is a lie or piece of disinformation. If I bothered to correct her, she would follow with more lies. Its all a waste of time.
In another thread, she made defamatory comments against me which were deleted by the Intercept after I complained. She then threatened to leave this website and create her own forum. I wonder why she still lingers here then.
And my website is available for anyone to read. If I wanted to hide my court documents I wouldn’t publish them on the internet. But read the original documents, not Mona’s distortions of them intended to target me.
Upon perusal I find this to be ” Winner Of The Day ” :
________________________________________________
Vic Perry ? Mudbone
December 7 2016, 4:41 p.m.
eh, go away Mudbone, you don’t interest me
Oh Yeah ,,,,
Mudbone ? Vic Perry
December 8 2016, 1:27 p.m.
But you do seem to be somewhat annoyed don’t you ?
Pal , in this day of Jerry Springer Journalism annoying people is the winner ,, hands down .
I play the ” The Hits Just Keep on Coming Game ” just like Mackey&Mona .
Mudbone Declares Himself “Winner Of The Day” In Surprising Upset
Winner reposts claim that 2016 journalism exemplified by 1990s TV host
If the mainstream news wasn’t primarily fear based propoganda, people wouldn’t have fled to other news sources. Let’s not forget about just a few fake news stories from the mainstream: Hillary will win, swine flu epidemic, rathergate, brian williams and the list goes on. Everyday you can open up google news and find articles slanted emotionally to favor a position.
Mona, Gert, Vic Perry, all defending a man who labeled a baby’s pic as “hotard” from whore + retard. Hotard is a sexual term.
You become very angry when people post directly from court documents that you yourself drafted. Why? Does it have anything to do with the preposterous conspiracy theories you have inundated the Delhi courts with?
In the flood of papers you have filed with those courts, there is no more evidence for your unhinged claims about the “plots” against you than you have evidence for your outrageous campaign against a guy who merely runs a a pizzeria.
THIS is what you and those like you have caused:
Last weekend, a young man who believed this pernicious lunacy went to the restaurant with a gun, terrifying those there. He fired it and has been arrested.
Do you know why convicted pedophiles cannot be held in the general prison population? You and those like you won’t stop even once someone is killed, will you?
Look , Mona is an “Educated ” person . Now there ain’t no way ya’ll gonna re-educate an “Educated” person . Once the brain has been formally “Thought-Frozen” even eternal hell fire is a waste of time .
How do you know this alleged “labeled pic” thing happened? From where do you get this stuff? Why should anyone trust you?
Extraordinary claims require evidence. Whereas with calling you an idiot, all I have to do is point at your posts and say, “see!”
Readers Note: Karl thinks Chuck E. Cheese uses sexual imagery to promote itself while attempting to lure children at the same time. Karl is a “furry”.
Karl fucks goats in his mom’s basement, which is why they won’t stamp his hand to let him into Chuck E. Cheese. This is true; I read it on the Internet.
“Karl fucks goats in his mom’s basement” ???
TCH ! TCH !
Mona is throwing a Hissy-Fit !!
I’m sorry about what Mona said Mudbone. The truth is that Karl fucks goats in your basement.
I read that too. On the Interwebs.
You don’t have any arguments, do you? Just ad hominem, not particularly clever ad hominem.
? Vic Perry, Monday, 19 January 2015 02:38 (one year ago) Permalink
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=96478&bookmarkedmessageid=5331288
Have a nice day Mona !
So we have the “liberal” activist shill, paid stooge who targets corporate whistleblowers in India, and who defends men who sexualize pics of babies by labeling them hotard etc, who is now lying through her teeth that there was no picture of a bound little girl on James Alenfantis’ instagram.
See the picture here https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/tag/comet-ping-pong-pizza/
There is duct tape, a little girl is bound to the table. We cannot see her legs which may or may not be bound.
This picture was in Alefantis’ instagram and is also on the link Gert gave in the comments earlier.
Jesus on a crutch, in addition to being a clearly unhinged paranoid, you do not even know what MASKING tape is. That picture shows MASKING tape, not duct tape. And it’s a joke about keeping kids quiet at the restaurant where customers consume pizza.
Stop. It.
What you are doing is fucking disgusting.
It’s like the pornographic photo (a man an woman having penetrative sex) of a gallery (museum) (2/3 down this link: https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM, post by “jimmycomet: Whitney Museum) where Seema claimed the woman on top as underage.
The comment by “brynafrayda”: ‘Not for children’, she also saw as suspicious!
It’s the Seemas and Karls of this sad world who promote this sick ‘theory’ about Satanic Sex Rings, regardless of the damage it might do…
Gert – You are being blatantly unfair to me. I said the female appeared underage before I knew anything about the picture. I identified the picture as a museum exhibit and then I very fairly commented that it could be Jeff Koons’ wife.
The “not for children” comment remains weird.
And I have nowhere talked about Satanic sex rings etc. I have only commented on the children related creepiness of Alefantis’ instagram posts.
You are spreading disinformation. This shows your malafide agenda.
Oh, FFS moron, how is that comment “weird”??? It’s an entirely correct observation: this is seriously adult art, not suitable for children.
And why state the female appeared underage before knowing anything about the picture, huh?
So what are you advocating, man? A ban on “conspiracy theories”? What exactly do you imagine should be done? Legal limits on thought, expression, speculation? What exactly should be done about people like Seema?
Why are you so angry, dude? When you argue that a point of view is ridiculous without being able to offer clear rationale about why, and only rebut with vitriol and ad hominem attacks, you only reinforce the “conspiracy theory” yourself. You’re part of the problem.
If it’s as ridiculous as you say it is, and you’re not a complete idiot, why aren’t you winning this debate?
So where’s the part about how all this nonsense got Trump elected…?
Conspiracy theorists, right, left, and center, hold their theories sacrosanct, as we saw with the Clinton Cabal and their Vast Right-Wing Russian Conspiracy — which the media instantly latched onto — calling any opponent of Hillary — even Johnson and Stein — tools of the Kremlin.
It’s all in the research, Jeffrey Epstein and Jimmy Saville – that’s the real reason they created this “fake” news BS. Especially the current EU censorship campaign. These guys were busted yet it was STILL mostly ignored. Here’s an excellent piece of journalism that you should read.
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/study/ultimate-exposure-pedophile-rings-london-hollywood The child pedo ring is as REAL AS IT GETS but no one is going to touch it with a 10 foot poll or they will end up dead. The Intercept knows all about this. This is the revelations Assange talked about, the biggest scandal in history, next to the 9/11 inside job which MSM will never touch either. It’s a very sad world when people allow children to be abused. These people are doing it out in the open, Comet Ping Pong’s instagram had sexually explicit images that were in no way child friendly. A band performing at Comet Ping Pong called the Majestic Apes laughed when someone in the crowd said they preferred little boys.
That’s a chilling article.
What’s amazing is the way Mackey and so many regular commenters here are ready to help cover this up without an investigation. Just shows there are many establishment shills here posing as liberal activists mostly.
I think the James Alefantis instagram posts are the most incriminating. Some people are genuinely trying to investigate more broadly, but there is a fair bit of disinformation being deliberately thrown into the whole pizzagate issue to discredit it and to try and cover it up as fake news etc.
The point of Mackey’s article is that just because a loony or a hired actor pulled off a stunt, we all should stop looking or calling for an investigation.
The best thing now would be a law enforcement investigation. Even from the point of view of James Alefantis. He will never live this down. If he can explain his conduct, he should invite an FBI investigation.
No. It. Did. Not. There is ZERO evidence of that.
I am fully aware of the Saville matter, and what that horrible man did. It has nothing to do with this “Pizzagate” nonsense. Further, Jeffrey Epstein is not a pedophile. He has never evinced interest on pre-pubescent children. He violated the age of consent laws by having sex with teenaged girls.
Priests abusing young (mostly) boys is a real scandal, with thousands of real victims who have come forward and told their tragic stories, and many priests who have confessed. There exists a trove of Church documents showing the Church hierarchy knew what these men were doing.
But there is another story as well, one which what you are spewing resembles. And that is the deranged moral panic in the 80s and early 90s about so-called “Satanic Ritual Abuse” in American daycare centers. That insanity — with no evidence other than manufactured bullshit, which is what you have — destroyed many innocent lives, as several of us discuss in this sub-thread.
Stop it. What you are doing is depraved and sick.
Thanks Mona.
You are most welcome.
There’s another ‘story’ that is highly similar to what you mentioned, the nonsense in the UK over a ‘satanic child sacrifice’ place above a Mcdonalds -_- People had awesome fits over that for a while, until the kids finally admitted they were just saying what their parents wanted (under duress of torture). Meanwhile, parents, who were con artists, fled and became Wanted for child abuse. There is an underlying premise in these conspiracies and it is: 1) Your children are in danger 2) May be either a satanic conspiracy or a political one 3) No evidence, but spreads by word of mouth until people believe just based on the number of others who believe it.
This is America in 2016. My clinicals at a mental hospital had more sane people than this -_-
There is ample evidence that Comet Ping Pong used sensually provocative images to promote a business establishment that caters to children.
Sort of like Fox News you are saying then, Karl.
+1
Other recent/popular posts from the theeventchronicle.com site:
USAF Veteran Films UFO Flying at Mach 17, Sends 4K Video to NASA
Alien Hunters Spot Three Huge Artificial Towers on Mars
Enhance Spiritual, Mental And Physical Well-being With A Pineal Gland Detox
Impending Announcement of Ruins from Futuristic Civilization Found in Antarctica
Professional for pay peddlers of alternonsense, in a nutshell…
Thanks for your post. Legit posts here are appreciated. The masses of research there is to be done is necessary, on the whole, it seems all legit while some sources here and there might not be.
Alefantis, James
J’aime les enfants is french for I love children
Burr Castle
CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE [Banned Discovery Channel Documentary]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-F5JoHoho
Catholic mass grave sites of 350,800 missing children found in Ireland, Spain, Canada
http://childabuserecovery.com/catholic-mass-grave-sites-of-350800-missing-children-found-in-ireland-spain-canada/
DEEP WEB
Undercover Researcher Infiltrates The Deep Web. This … – Anonymous
http://www.anonews.co/deep-web/
Elite child sex slaves “1981” forgotten documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FKEwjPmHQ
Dr Greenbaum speech
https://paradigmsalon.net/2014/10/19/the-famous-greenbaum-speech-by-dc-hammond/
Kidnapping of children for benefit of satanic child molester elite, links to Lawrence King & Boystown (conspiracy of silence)
Cairns, Jim – Disappeared off the Face of the Earth (website also, pointed to by Michael Tsarion)
The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry – true story of son of sam killings, strong stomach
-The Franklin Cover-Up & Johnny Gosch Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXiKIlh3dqg
-Why Johnny Gosch Can’t Come Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7x2hC0m1M
Johnny Gosch (many videos on her mother telling her story), police stand in way of mother’s search for her kidnapped son, police complicit in the kidnapping
Mother is harassed by ex girlfriend or ex wife of Michael Aquino
Child makes contact years later (as mother had been persistent over many years & publicly on media), tells mother he had been sold into sex slavery and was ‘pimped’ to powerful politicians in high places
-Ted Gunderson Interview with Noreen Gosch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7C1cCa8V9s
Pedophiles Down Under Abuse Drawings
https://pedophilesdownunder.com/hang-on-for-the-ride-abuse-drawings/
Pedophilia Network Exposed in Australia — It Starts at the TOP, Just Like in the USA and UK
http://www.anonews.co/pedophilia-network-australia/
Ms Barnett claimed there are thousands of victims of the alleged ring, and says that she witnessed child abduction, rape, torture and murder.
Hey Freeman, interesting links. Thanks.
Be forewarned that -Mona-, Gert, and Perry are all the same person.
“Jake Tapper of CNN, another journalist who understands the power of social media to amplify both genuinely valuable information and baseless rumors concocted by partisan political operatives, took those who spread the conspiracy theory to task.” You dam right he does because he lies and promotes the Jewish agenda all the time.
Jake Tapper is a good journalist, one of the fe actually worth watching on cable “news.” He promotes no “agenda.” More than almost all other TV journalists, he pursues truth.
Further, there is no “Jewish agenda.” Jews are a people holding diverse views, and no one agenda can be accurately ascribed to them.
Agreed.
One of the few TV journalists to make my twitter list.
Every station promotes an agenda and as a matter of fact there is a Jewish agenda even if you’re too unaware to tell either of these things.
“Pursues truth” hah! He doesn’t give it to us then does he?!
Also what in the holy hell is your motivation for posting 40 or so comments on this one page alone? Your comments are clear you’re looking for an argument and to derail conversations as opposed to have discourse and find information either proving or disproving those you disagree with. Left and right you’ve been using logical fallacies to derail conversations. What’s your personal investment in this story?
When journalists become their own source of news…including their own tweets and responses to those tweets in their articles…i become very suspicious ! This is what i call ‘Amanpour’ journalism…trying to prove a point by using yourself as newssource. Beware the intercept of this kind of fake journalism !
Sorry to break this to you, but: Running HiIlary in the first place is what got trump elected.
Doubling down on stupidity and elevating random internet cranks, the mythical and barely existing “alt-right”-twatters and faceplants – oh, and the Russians – to be the deciding factor in the election just proves that Trump was probably the right choice for the occasion.
The Dims own incompetence and stupidity made Trump president, now suck it all up and do better on the next occasion.
yippee …. at last – someone said it.
thank you fajensen … i was wondering if the Democrats would be mentioned as the reason the Democrats lost.
talk about fake news – “Social Media got Trump Elected, Clinton and the Democratic Party found to NOT be at fault”
we need to redefine ‘in denial’
If the information of the so called pizzagate affair are not true, then people associated with the publishing of those information should be sued for defamation of Hillary Clinton.
Why did it not happen?
Does it mean the accusations cannot be denied?
I would appreciate your feedback!
Thanks for the article.
Who, specifically, should Hillary Clinton sue? And for what? No high profile person that I’ve seen has stated false fact claims alleging direct pedophile activity by an identifiable person; rather, they are trafficking in malicious innuendo and bullshit calls for “investigations.”
Defamation can be sued for when someone states: “X is running a pedophile ring, which I know is true because of evidence X, Y and Z.”
As long as people like Attorney Mike Cernovich, discussed in the article above, couches all of his bullshit in language of “golly gee, this looks like it could be a pedophile ring, there must be an investigation!” it is in the realm of (insane) opinion, and isn’t actionable. At least not successfully so.
What you vile people are doing is manufacturing the appearance of a pedophile ring through innuendo and nonsense. You should be ashamed. You should stop it.
the last paragraph made me laugh. they’re crazy but they’re funny too. the right wing really give professional writers a race for who can come up with the craziest ideas.
_”De-Coding The Meaning On Podesta’s Hands”_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9ksvUv6yg
Blimey. Another 18″ of nonsense time spent that I’ll never get back! Bweurk.
Back to Paper Ballots!
But Americans have become way too “Mind Lazy” and don’t have the will or the fortitude to do physical things like counting ballots the “old fashion way!” Thus leaving the realistic opportunity for the election to be rigged by “electronic manipulation!”
Electronic Hackers are “exceedingly awsome” at what they do… and high jacking the tabulation results of election results is “child’s play” to them!
They hack the CIA, NSA, DOD, MultiBillion Dollar Corporations, Governments, Countries, Banks and to think they CANNOT hack the security system of election tabulations is TOTALY ASSININE!
Electronic Hackers have the capabilites of making a “Jackass” President of the United States… WAIT!… they did make a “Jackass” President of the USA!
Americans “can’t see the forest for the too much TV they not only watch, but also have a godlike faith and blind trust in!”
If the TV were to say, “kissing your own ass would add 50 years to your life, 90% of Americans would believe it and end up with broken spines and back braces trying to kiss their own ass!” Sheeple…
America Please Wake Up!… “Free your mind and your ass will catch up later!”
Back to Paper Ballots!
But Americans have become way too “Mind Lazy” and don’t have the will or the fortitude to do physical things like counting ballots the “old fashion way!” Thus leaving the realistic opportunity for the election to be rigged by “electronic manipulation!”
Electronic Hackers are “exceedingly awsome” at what they do… and high jacking the tabulation results of election results is “child’s play” to them!
They hack the CIA, NSA, DOD, MultiBillion Dollar Corporations, Governments, Countries, Banks and to think they CANNOT hack the security system of election tabulations is TOTALLY ASSININE!
Electronic Hackers have the capabilites of making a “Jackass” President of the United States… WAIT!… they did make a “Jackass” President of the USA!
Americans “can’t see the forest for the too much TV they not only watch, but also have a godlike faith and blind trust in!”
If the TV were to say, “kissing your own ass would add 50 years to your life, 90% of Americans would believe it and end up with broken spines and back braces trying to kiss their own ass!” Sheeple…
America Please Wake Up!… “Free your mind and your ass will catch up later!”
Human beings pride themselves as the paragon of animals; the prevailing myth is that we are superior to everything else on earth.
We destroy and pollute our soil, forests, creeks, rivers, oceans and sky in the name of “growth” and “progress,” essentially driving the maniacal train down the track at breakneck speed until we run out of track (because we’ve run out of natural resources) and all die in a wonderful display of retributive hubris.
So keep twittering, everyone, a bunch of dumb birds in the trees with meaningless lives, looking desperately for purpose, while the place we call home goes up in smoke.
How happy will every other earthling be when we, the scourge of the planet, are extinct?
#vhemt Has been my mindset lately, too.
Many commenters here think the following should just be ignored. I wonder why.
The children related creepiness about James Alefantis’ instagram pictures and the comments thereon. I am sure the FBI has investigated others on suspicion for pedophilia related activities on much less prima facie evidence. The FBI should look into this. The rest can unravel from there. There were pictures of children with creepy disturbing comments. The comments included sexual innuendos directed at children. He needs to be questioned by the FBI.
One of James Alefantis’s instagram pics is of a baby with a sign on it that says for sale. Now this could just be a joke. But surely the FBI needs to question Mr Alefantis.
Another picture is of a little girl leaning onto a table with her hands taped to it. A man stands behind her. Should the FBI not ask Mr Alefantis where he got the picture from just to check that there was no child abuse involved.
Yet another picture is of a man hugging a baby with the tag chickenlovers which appears to be pedophilia slang.
Another picture on James Alefantis’ instagram was of a baby with a comment from Jimmy Comet “Why does daddy like BUTT?”
There is another picture with two children, and what looks like a man with a female teen. It again says something like “Why does daddy like BUTT?”
Another pic on James Alefantis’ instagram is of a man’s penis penetrating a female who looks underage but might not be. A comment states “Not for children”. Now this is a weird comment that stands out.
In several instagram pics of babies and children, Alefantis tags #carisjames. In one pic with a baby with this tag, he calls the baby male but is then corrected by someone who points out that the baby is a she.
The point being that Alefantis does not know the baby personally. Caris James is also not the child’s name in this context.
Why was Alefantis posting pics of unknown babies? And he tags other people calling their attention to these pics.
Alefantis’ Instagram pics of babies have comments like Hotard, yum baby, gay baby. He uses the word Hotard to describe a baby.
Grown men have posted comments on pics of babies posted by Alefantis saying “want one”, “need that”, “must have”, about someone else’s baby.
There seems to have been a strange obsession with children on Alefantis’ instagram. And this coupled with porn and sexual imagery and sexual comments. The four in a mix seems creepy.
All I have done in this thread is to point out the creepy instagram posts of James Alefantis and to state that there is enough creepiness involving children there to make a case for the FBI to question Alefantis. Whether it is Pizzagate or something else, the FBI investigation can unravel. It is also in Alefantis’ interest to cooperate with the FBI (if he has nothing to hide) so that he can clear his name.
Please stop it. It is grossly immoral, truly disgusting, to be spewing all this unhinged innuendo of grave criminal activity by a named person, based on nothing. Bizarre musings and absurd “dot connecting” in “support” of accusations of a vile act are repugnant.
You should be ashamed.
That the police routinely investigates cases of pictures of children (or even dogs) bound with duct-tape or photographed with for sale signs is clear from the following links.
Police investigating picture of young girl with duct tape over her mouth http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/police-investigating-picture-young-girl-duct-tape-mouth-article-1.994337
Memphis woman’s ‘Kids for sale’ Facebook photo showing duct-taped children sparks police investigation
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/memphis-police-investigate-facebook-photo-duct-taped-kids-article-1.2571592
Florida Police Investigate Photo of Dog With Duct-Taped Mouth
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-police-investigate-photo-dog-duct-taped-mouth-n470641
NT Police investigate principal after student allegedly taped to desk
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/nt-police-investigate-principal-after-student-allegedly-taped-to-desk/news-story/c0f15aa224e3cc790992cf377e71a9b5
Police probe one-month-old baby girl put up for SALE on eBay for £4,500
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cops-investigate-one-month-old-9029911
Being probed by the police!
Next up, Seema will be posting stories of fires breaking out around the world, proving all fires are related to one another.
Go to Oz, ask for a brain Seema.
You deliberately misrepresent what I am saying. Alefantis posted a pic of a baby with a sale sign and a pic of a little girl bound with duct-tape. Such things are routinely investigated by the Police, so why not Alefantis. In the links I posted, the police investigated even parents and a school principal doing this.
Why do you misrepresent? Why do you defend a man who tagged a baby’s picture as hotard – from whore + retard? Why do you defend a man who sexualised pictures of babies?
Why don’t you go to Oz or wherever else, and ask for a conscience, Vic Perry.
What you’re doing is as unhinged as it is disgusting. To pick just one of your lies and delusions:
That is a lie. But duct tape is involved, and non one is “bound.” Multiple sources report this:
You utterly lack critical thinking skills, and anyone who wants further evidence of this should simply read the many court documents you have posted at your web site. The Delhi courts have been flooded with your claims of all kinds of preposterous conspiracies, including one to try to kill you, with poison and by other means.
You have often linked to your site. But you get very angry when anyone quotes from the court documents there. Why?
God, I wish this site had a preview and edit function. My sentence here is wrong: But duct tape is involved, and non one is “bound.” It should read: “NO duct tape is involved, and no one is “bound.”
And this is true. Seema Sapra and multiple others are spouting vile, unhinged garbage in this thread.
“You utterly lack critical thinking skills,”
Project often?
It’s all you do.
Reply.
You wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a representation or a misrepresentation. You write “why do you defend…” when nobody has defended anything. You are oblivious to the obvious weirdness of the grammar of “police probe one-month-old baby girl” because you are the one who wrote that.
You are dumb, in other words.
This is the example I posted.
Police probe one-month-old baby girl put up for SALE on eBay for £4,500
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cops-investigate-one-month-old-9029911
So this proves that you are nothing but a liar.
The rest of your comment is not worth responding to.
Grow up.
Seema is a self-promoter (remember her posting multiple comments about her ‘whistle blowing’ on a completely unrelated TI thread?), conspiracy nut and nasty piece of work to boot.
Her assessment of a pornographic piece of art on display in an art gallery and how incriminating this was for the owner of Comet Ping Pong was truly priceless and indicative of just how willing she is to believe anything.
As a lawyer she should also know that those who are the target of vicious anonymous rumour and slander can’t just run to the FBI to get cleared. It just doesn’t work that way.
People like you Gert, and Mona are the nastiest pieces of work on this website. You target a whistleblower in India who says she is being poisoned. You defect attention away from the substance of my whistleblower complaints by making personal attacks against me.
You and Mona first linked to my website in this thread to target me. I merely directed you towards the substance of my whistleblower complaints against GE, which you then avoided talking about.
And Oh conspiracy nut is such a CIA smear. It is so meaningless.
So why would a man call a baby “hotard”?
Why would a man use a baby pic to state “Why does daddy like BUTT?”
You have an innocent explanation for the chickenlovers tagged picture?
https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/07/bible-still-outperforms-facebook-delivering-fake-news/
Which is how I get to my claim that the Bible outperforms Facebook for spreading false news. After all, as recently as 2014, 42% of Americans believed in creationism, while just 19% believed in evolution. That number is changing quickly (importantly, as more purportedly fake news consuming youngsters who don’t consider themselves religious get asked). Nevertheless, a significantly larger chunk of the country believes that God plunked us down fully-formed into Eden than believe that an FBI Agent involved in the Clinton case died in a murder suicide.
We should expect more people to believe what they read in the Bible, because it is a story that gets reinforced week after week by people with some authority in the community. It also gets reinforced in institutions like the Creation Museum, where I took the picture of white Adam and Eve above. For people who believe in creationism, their religion is fundamentally tied to their self-identity in a way that politics might not be. It is precisely for that reason it provides important counterpoint to these fake news stories. Especially given the way that a preference for religious stories over scientific ones poisons so much of our ability to deal with crises like climate change.
Don’t get me wrong: algorithmically-delivered sensationalism is a problem (as are polls that get shared to make claims about headlines they don’t really support). But it is one of many problems with our politics, and the evidence from this poll actually suggests it isn’t yet the most urgent one.
Update: Pope Francis, who believes the notion of evolution can coexist with that of creation, just issued a statement calling those who spread shit news sinners.
Francis told the Belgian Catholic weekly “Tertio” that spreading disinformation was “probably the greatest damage that the media can do” and using communications for this rather than to educate the public amounted to a sin.
Using precise psychological terms, he said scandal-mongering media risked falling prey to coprophilia, or arousal from excrement, and consumers of these media risked coprophagia, or eating excrement.
[snip]
“I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into – no offence intended – the sickness of coprophilia, that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true,” he said.
The more I re-read this article the more I am appalled at the headline, which reflects a couple of doubtful claims rather than the substance of this article.
The Clinton-as-victim thing is just gag worthy. It’s as if she and her flying monkeys were not smear masters themselves, or that the lies they have told about people have been free of consequences.
I take Mona’s point that innocent people can get hurt in this kind of cynical stuff — which is why I’m appalled at anybody trying to turn this into some kind of meaningless partisan one-up.
Eyup, enough to gag a maggot.
The Democratic Candidate for POTUS was facing a reality TV star who is the most detested candidate in U.S. history. So who did the Dems put up? Hillary Clinton, a woman whose negatives are exceeded only by Trumps. He, we were told, is Hitler reincarnate. But not so scary that they had to pick a candidate with the surest chance of beating him.
And what did HRC, the DNC and her most ardent supporters do after they finagled the nomination? Insult and marginalize the millions of enthusiastic voters Bernie Sanders brought to the Party. Spend lots of time at swanky events with private, wealthy donors, while Trump was out at rallies — most especially in the Rust Belt, and talking the talk the working class wants to hear. (He’s a grifter, and doesn’t mean most of what he says, but at least he said it.)
Donald Trump would have been beaten by virtually anyone else the Democratic Party nominated. But the DNC was dedicated to crowning Hillary as Queen. And that was that.
The Democratic Candidate for POTUS was facing a reality TV star who is the most detested candidate in U.S. history.
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Really ? Is that what the MSM polls still say ? Actually, even plausibly , maybe the W(B)itch Wall Street Whore was more detested ,, no ? Actually , plausibly ,, let’ s have a Re-Do . Send your dollars to Jill Stein&Bernie Sanders , LLC .
WEEKEND UPDATE: LYNDON LAROUCHE ON THE 1988 ELECTION
In which Al Franken is LaRouche, setting forth — among many other things — the truth about George H.W. Bush’s Satanic activities and his being a known co-conspirator with the known, homosexual child molester, Henry Kissinger.
Were it not for the harm to real people in this “Pizzagate” nonsense, it would be as funny as the above.
Nothing to see here! Talking point. Talking point. Move along!
Same as every other article written to debunk this investigation. Not one single solitary fact refuted.
There are no “facts” supporting, and there is no “investigation” of, this non-happening. There’s merely a moral panic and hysteria that, for the time being, is harming primarily only the owner of a D.C. pizza restaurant, his family, employees, and surrounding businesses.
@Vic
You asked me something relevant piece that I had planned to post, so I decided to start a new thread. Specifically you inquired of me and Gert:
No.
There’s little if any evidence in support of that headline. Nor does it comport with exit polling data I’ve seen.
Rather, this gets to the nub of the matter: CNN’s Van Jones Speaks With Obama Voters Who Switched To Trump
That all reflects what I’ve seen in exit polling reports.
Thanks for posting that including the quotes.
So in an offer of truce I’d say: I can see how the insanity can truly lead to violence, and while I’m tempted to lean on the Manson-White Album example and say “crazy finds its way regardless of the innocence of the source material” — the thing is that the child molestation charges are malicious and have consequences.
So, the one thing I insist on, is that Mackey is not the guy to do it, given that he has subordinated this to a sob story for Democrats (the whole misinfo is uniquely Repub story line).
I’m all for the stake-through-the-heart but we might mainly differ (after all) on the best angle to hammer.
Mackey wouldn’t be my first choice, either. As I think about it, if I had the journalistic accouterments and resources, it’s something I might get off my ass to do (I have the the professional and educational background for it). But there surely are freelancers “out there” who could do this right for TI.
Truce accepted.
@VicPerry
That would not remotely be your assessment if you were the owner of the D.C. pizzeria, a family member or a friend, or an employee there. This kind of hysteria-driven moral panic has real consequences for real human beings.
The last time this nation saw a huge segment of the population ardently believe that children were at risk from nefarious pedophiles — based on nothing but hysteria and deluded ranting, and professionals who suspended all standards to go along for the ride — hundreds (possibly thousands) of innocent humans and their families were destroyed. Our criminal justice system was largely captured by a derangement; cops were “trained” to spot and catch these supposed Satan-worshiping child molesters.
Real humans spent years in real prisons, after enduring Kafakaesque trials. Those prosecuted, but not convicted, seldom got their lives back. Those for whom it never moved beyond speculation and non-prosecuted allegation also suffered terribly.
Let’s be clear: Belief in an ongoing child-trafficking ring led by Hillary Clinton, John Podesta and various others, and run out of the back of one pizza place, must be be smashed hard by journalists. Because I assure you, if that doesn’t happen, this will not stop at one D.C. restaurant — this is postulated as a vast conspiracy that would necessarily involved hundreds or thousands.
Put a journalistic stake through it’s heart, right now.
“But what about the LULZ, Mona, what about the LULZ?”
One of the UToob slobberers is already claiming that putting some peoples’ reputation at risk is nothing compared to the many children that will be saved. No arguing with total unreason…
The Fraternal order of Police endorsed Trump. Law Enforcement was a key player in the hell of investigation, arrest, prosecution and often imprisonment of “Satanic Ritual Abusers” in the 1980s until the early 90s. Cops were getting “certified” in the “telltale signs” of a ritual abuse group and individual.
If cops, enough of them, believe this shit, that’s deeply dangerous. It’s “merely” very bad if it ends up only a matter of threats and reputations.
Right, so that bit had actual consequences. Crazy ass fucks gonna do crazy ass shit, but fair enough, there were consequences.
But do tell:
1. does Mackey ever talk about the Russian bullshit?
2. is not the Russian bullshit much more likely to result in more harm to more average people than the Pizzagate bullshit? Will not various crazy people be just as inspired to violence by this sort of talk as any other?
3. Proposition: SELECTIVE targeting of fake news constitute an inherent problem insofar that it leads to increased distrust of the news, and therefore a more fertile ground for spreading more fake news?
4. Proposition: much of the “fight against fake news” is in fact a fight against smaller media versions of fake news, mixed with an undeserved endorsement of the believability of “respectable” news outlets. Agree or disagree?
Putting a journalistic stake through its heart would require some honesty on the part of journalistic coverage of the emails to begin with. That has completely not been the case. Innocents regularly pay for journalist lies, so one way they paid at the pizza parlor was that journalistic coverage of the emails was shit.
Do you not find it the slightest bit ironic that Pizzagate wasn’t even the first conspiracy theory generated about the emails, but the second? That the whole presentation of the emails by the mainstream media concentrated on the obviously-bullshit Russian connection? Do you not see the connection here? That lies had already been endorsd by the media? That this was a great opportunity for more??
Pizzagate is a terrific and unexpected way to once again NOT talk about the way the DNC fucked over the Bernie campaign. And of course the MOST important thing right now is not to talk about the total corruption of the DNC, and the best way to do that is…….to focus on Pizzagate.
Well It’s For The Greater Good, Mona.
But by all means, you know, this is the “Most important ThING” to care about…..you’re not just going along with the dem establishment plan now or anything like that, no.
Vic, you either do not understand the Satan Panic matter, or you lack empathy. Moreover, if you really think my position on any of this has fuck all to do with “going along with the dem establishment” then I really can’t help you.
But if you’d like to know more about how horrifying these unchecked panics can be, Vox did a pretty good piece, altho I can recommend several excellent, scholarly books on the topic.
That’s all understated.
Yes I know all about this.
So how exactly is it less of an attack on Pizzagate to treat it as beneath contempt?
Sorry but I don’t think it helps when a corrupt media establishment focuses all its attention on the most fringey cases —- not when they themselves are guilty of the exact same thing.
Why do you want their help?
Try doing more than just being self-righteous Mona. My questions to you have been real ones worthy of a response.
Vic, first you snarled this at me:
Then you hurl:
I gave you fact-based reasons for my sound position. Further, I posted a link and offered to recommend books.
This “ring of pedophiles” moral panic exits dangerously — and independent of — the Russia crap and any interests the DNC may or may not have in focusing on the topic. Again, if you asked the pizzeria owner, his family and friends, the employees, how they view this phenomenon, well, I understand their fear and alarm. This madness needs to end, and a properly skeptical media can kill it — perhaps especially including the alt media.
Mona & Gert:
So we’re having this conversation in this thread and the headline asserts that disinformation got Trump elected.
Is this a correct assertion in your view? Is this not a bit self-serving? Is this not the very ignoring-the-lesson-of-Brexit GG warned against?
You’re claiming my focus on Democratic Party partisanship is off topic, but it is in fact built into the very headline of this article.
Mackey’s discussion of Pizzagate is SUBORDINATE to his partisan apologist program. I am actually focusing on the issues dear to the heart of Mackey. And this is where we are having this discussion.
You’re right Vic: we should’t talk about Pizzagate because of the fake Russian connection. Because that’s how that works.
Much of your BS is a large straw man, Vic.
Do Both. Straw Man gone now. DO BOTH.
But both aren’t getting done, now are they? And when is this going to happen exactly?
Not in Mackey’s columns, which is —- JUST BY THE WAY — where this conversation is taking place.
Care to share an opinion about the connection between the sudden concern for “fake news” on the part of the Democrat punditocracy, Gert? (among whom I certainly count Mackey).
A concern that coincides oddly with a certain story about Russky infiltration, a story very popular with said establishment Dem pundits such as Paul Krugman, etc? A concern that coincides oddly with an outbreak of criticism at their being so fucking out of touch?
Is there any connection, Gert? Or is it just a weird coincidence? Stop me before I straw man again, Gert. Only you can stop forest fires.
Ah, of course to take the heat off themselves for being cheaters they started rumors the they are child molesters. Sheesh. Thats a joke right?
you’re either really lost or pretending to be, so I will help.
to amend your statement: “to take the heat off themselves for being cheaters they” …. emphasized rumors spread by others that …. “they are child molesters.”
But actually, this was more to take heat off the election results. Pizzagate is more of a media phenomenon post-election, yes? What they did to take heat off the cheating before the election was to say PUTIN PUTIN RUSSIA PUTIN a lot. Let’s keep the obfuscations straight.
They drew attention to these rumors of Pizzagate just as Hillary Clinton kept the Comey thing in the news longer than it had to be. Democrats like Republicans operate on infantile victimization narratives.
Of course the Clinton people themselves didn’t start rumors they were child molesters!! That would be crazy. There’s never a shortage of crazy or stupid people to highlight, so why ever invent such shit? Just point at these freaks when you need to rally the base.
This has been done before. For example, disappointment with the Obama administration was often met with emphasis on how right-wingers were racist against Obama. It had the advantage of being true.
The untrue part was, of course, that there were no legit crits of the Obama administration. The untrue part was that all crit of the Obama administration was generated by the right wing, was racist in nature.
It’s tried and true. Do you disagree that this tactic exists?
Yes. What ever the DNC did or didnt do once the election was over no one cared excepr for a handful of Bernie supporters who no one was listening to and were in no position to make things hot for the DNC especially since Bernie himself wasnt kicking.
Gil G invokes the “what’s done is done” line — taking the high moral and ethical ground so beloved of Dem apologists. Let’s look forward not backward — founding principle of justice you know.
Except the argument over what happened during the election just gets hotter because Hil and the DNC blew it so bad.
And various hacks who said it was all in the bag now need to defend their cush positions.
Bernie would have won.
“And various hacks who said it was all in the bag now need to defend their cush positions.’
and so you think the way they are doing it is by promoting stories that they are pedophiles. do you realize how silly that sounds? please explain how the promotion of this story is going to help them keep their cushy jobs?
is GilG the same as Gil G
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GilG pretends to be stupider than Gil G is all I can deduce so far
Really ? That’s all you got? Face it Vic you can’t answer the question because your premise is ridiculous.
Hey don’t leave me out of your wacky conspiracy theory Vic !!!!
https://youtu.be/8CSWK9uWmOw
short video explaining WHY pizzagate is gaining
I can’t believe there are so many people that defend GOSSIP.
What a bunch of old ladies.
Yo…. One4Sexism..
Politely, Fuk`off.
Much Appreciated..
d’ngr
I’ve written below that the idea that an app was written to allow Pedo access to the Dark Web should be considered. And that finding the app would be a proof of a larger Pedo network. So the question comes up, how do you find the app? The short answer is data mining.
The first step is to take disk images of all captured Pedo devices. Once the Disk Images are taken you can mount the disk image as a passive drive and scan it for files. All files found should then be entered into a database.
Then begins a process of elimination. All files known to be legitimate can be excluded by checking against a database of known good files. Files related to Pedo activity e.g. pictures and movies can be mapped with dates and times and used for a separate program (tracking the flow of illicit materials). These also get eliminated because you are looking for an application rather than data.
Essentially you keep weeding out application files until you have a list of unknown application files. These are your potential Dark Web Application files. Compare this set of files with similar files from other captured Pedo computers.
If you are lucky, you will have found your key to the Dark Web. At this point you will need to break down one of the Pedos to get their password and access protocols.
Attention Starbucks and McDonald’s Employees: Si1ver1ock is well-known to several chains for insisting on his right to order from your “secret menu” and for becoming belligerant when employees “pretend” not to know about it.
Simply play along if you are asked, by telling him the menu is the same as the public one, only backwards. Do your best to appear to follow his “secret” order, although merely cooperating with him tends to calm him.
Make sure to serve at least one item upside down, as Si1ver1ock regards this as a clue that his message was received.
All great detectives have their foibles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpx4ApT7-pk
So once in a while the intercept publishes a HALF decent article from greenwald. The rest is left wing fascist propaganda. What’s the deal? I suppose that’s the orders from Ebay Inc. eh?
Yes, it’s by direct orders from Ebay and I have proof right here in my right hand.
The true, the good, the intelligent and the virtuous fall by the wayside. The stupid, the venal, the corrupt and the selfish rise to power.
William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
THE SECOND COMING
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
ha ha somebody downthread is defending Mackey’s epic self-reported Twitter battle by pointing out that the dudes at Breitbart (wittily called “Breitbarf” in the post — what clever wordplay!) often engage in Twitter battles.
Well see it’s cool then. Mackey’s standards can be defended by using Breitbart.
I guess I was too harsh, I mean if he’s living up those high standards…..
Mackey is LITERALLY the only writer at The Intercept whose every single article strictly meets the partisan aims of exactly one of the two main parties.
Prefering one to the other is fine, but the world doesn’t need one more partisan apologist.
And The Intercept doesn’t need one period.
Mackey would write about the ” Gloriousity Of Trump’s Rectal Exit/Entrance ” if Trump gave him a job . So would Krugman of the NYTIMES . These people are not politically motivated further than who signs the paycheck .
They do what they do for money .
eh, go away Mudbone, you don’t interest me
But you do seem to be somewhat annoyed don’t you ?
Pal , in this day of Jerry Springer Journalism annoying people wins ,, hands down .
I play the ” The Hits Just Keep on Coming Game ” just like Mackey&Mona .
Tedious people across America get paid nothing to share their predictable talking points, just like you.
Exempli gratia.
Oh look, it’s David Brooks’ less-interesting cousin.
Totally. :-)
$4,000,000,000 .00 ? That’s 4 billion bucks for Boeing to build two planes for Hillary . Opps ,,, old Hillary is taking a hike . The new President Elect says SCREW THAT !! I got my own planes !
The Status Quo is throwing a Hissy Fit !!
Geez ! There was a time you could fix a fight , a horse race , an election !
This country is going down the toilet !
Whatever happened to Democracy ? Yuk ! Yuk!
Sad day in journalism for the intercept. Especially when it fails to realize or acknowledge that the shooter has an acting career and IMDB history. Besides, everyone knows that the greatest disinformation campaigns came from MSNBCNNBCBS, and David Brock’s CorrectTheRecord.
2016 has uncovered pedophile rings in elites all around the globe, even 1st world nations. From elites in the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Australia, Hollywood, Republicans, D?e?m?o?c?r?a?t?s? WAIT NOOOO NOT THE DEMOCRATS THAT’S FAKE NEWS!
Mackey with his partisan tunnel vision is an embarrassment to The Intercept.
Pizzagate is a cynical joke and a troll on liberals. Whereas lots of those same liberals take all those bullshit stories about Russians controlling the 2016 election seriously. Trump didn’t spread Pizzagate, but Hillary Clinton literally blamed the Russians for interfering!!! I mean even goddamn George W. Bush didn’t do swiftboating himself, he let his underlings do it.
Hillary Clinton said that Russians funded American anti-fracking groups. That shit matters. Fuck you Robert Mackey, you partisan shit.
Please get him a job somewhere else.
Wait, are there no libel/slander laws that could be applied in these cases? If there is false information and material damage then it is time to start filing lawsuits, yes?
Law suits against who ? The judge ?
Any news about Standing Rock ?
Time has proven you right, Mackey. Thank you for the good work that you’ve done. No false equivalency for you. And you stuck to your guns despite the peanut galley maligning you for not practicing their narcissistic false equivalency and pretending Hillary has anything to do with Donald Trump. We can only hope that Noam is wrong, that this is not the end of the species, but no matter to the folks at The Intercept, they nailed Hillary with those Goldman Sachs speeches and the fact that she gave billions to the world’s poor, but God forbid, got the money from rich people. Ah, the pretensions of the billionaire funded like Glenn and the Mona’s of the world with their trust funds. Oh, Mona, by the way, I guess I must still be a paid shill for Correct the Record. You’re a complete lying idiot. Best of luck to you. –Jimmy
Jammer`??
Yeah, Jimmy, I think you were a Revise the Record shill, but a True Believer. You’re showing up now just to say t’ain’t so. And doing it stupidly, as moronically as you undertook your pre-election trolling for The Queen.
BTW, here are two headlines today from The Hill:
“Sanders joins hundreds of striking workers in protest outside Trump’s D.C. hotel”
And
“Clinton to throw thank-you party for millionaire donors”
Don’t feed the trolls – message to self.
See Sap Keel..
Researching your dilemma, it looks like the hunger pangs won’t come to fruition till 24 hours after you stop feeding yourself.
Stay true to your cause!!
d’nger
Is Mona a shill for Mackey ?
In an earlier post I pointed out a simple fact about what constitutes a BIG STORY in today’s internet/TV MSM . Simply put , it’s any piece of dribble that can get the most people throwing the most garbage at one another . Mackey’s BS , with Mona’s help, always does extremely well in the number of people that get riled up .
Plausible ?
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge , works the crowd for for the Barker .
Mona always makes a big showing at these Mackey events .
No, actually, I don’t. I ignored most of Mackey’s pre-election Trump stuff, including the stories that had comments open. After having made my distaste for several of them quite clear.
I seldom reply to you. That will continue. Please disconsolate reposting your replies to me in new threads, or otherwise seeking my attention which I mostly choose not to give your comments.
ROGER THAT !!!
OVER and OUT !!!
Mudbone, do your homework. Take some pride in your trolling. Be accurate. Be the Walter Cronkite of trolls, Mudbone.
Mackey does fine riling people up without help. It would be a great disappointment (in terms of my faith in humanity) to learn that he actually has convictions – believing in his own drivel.
It is always sad to see journalists act as condescending as Robert Mackey does in this article. He seems so self-convinced that he’s all about “debunking” instead of investigative reporting. People don’t trust the media because of articles like this.
The Intercept was founded to expose the hard to believe, crazy sounding government abuses exposed by Edward Snowden, which were denied by those in government and covered up by the mainstream press. This article is also about potential abuses by those in government. It is also being ignored and denouced by the press.
People have real, legitimate reasons to wonder about weirdness like this pizzagate stuff. It looks bad. Maybe it is disinfo from the Trump campaign, I don’t know. But people shouldn’t be lectured for not believing what Mackey and other journalists insist that they believe.
People don’t trust the government or the press for good reason – they lie strategically. The CIA was outed for manipulating media way back in the 1970s. Google Operation Mockingbird.
Would it really be that shocking if pizzagate had some truth to it? See the Franklin Coverup scandal. The Catholic Church covered up massive pedophilia. The UK is going through exposure of a government pedophile ring right now. The British police posted, over three years ago, photos of suspects who look almost EXACLTLY like the Podestas in the unsolved Madeleine McCann abduction.
Surely you jest, lol…deny much???
My Jester days are long past .
Denial ? Well that’s a matter of how well one knows thyself . Knowing Thyself is the hardest thing to do . I try to listen to people’s response because quite often they are revealing something that neither know about ourselves .
The only advice I’ve garnered after 78 years is :
“If you can’t live together then you’ll die together !” ——-Mudbone
Is Mona a shill for Mackey ? As I posted earlier a in today’s MSM
What matters is not WHAT you believe but HOW you believe. I generally credit that the Franklin accusations contained substantial truth because an actual child went to jail for perjury rather than simply get up and say she lied about the accusations in order to walk free. I generally *don’t* credit accusations that say that somebody had a menu with a character that looks a little like a pedophile group’s symbol, in that both are based on a heart shape.
There are a huge number of bots talking politics on Twitter – I saw an estimate of 19% recently said to be from this guy: https://arxiv.org/find/cs/1/au:+Ferrara_E/0/1/0/all/0/1 They belong to both sides. If you believe any shit some bozo writes in 140 characters or less that a million idiots are willing to upvote because they think it’s politically convenient, then you will certainly will neither have nor deserve access to the truth. This all come down to basics: what is the ORIGINAL source of the allegation, what does it say, how likely is it to be coincidence or hoax? You either think or you act like an idiot, there’s no door #3.
I find it deeply ironic that Alex Jones, a commentator who has built his career on the perception that he is an expert in covert government conspiracies, seems so susceptible to false information of dubious origins. If this was 2010, I’d simply write Jones off as a walking contradiction, the commercerlization of Art Bell style conspiracism, the kind of figure you tolerate because rebuking them merely legitimizes them. The problem is this is 2016. An era when a self-poclaimed GOP hit man ( http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2008/11/20/a-gop-dirty-trickster-has-second-thoughts.html ) and former Trump advisor is an Infowars contributor; when the president elect has praised Alex Jones for his “amazing” reputation ( http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-praises-9-11-truther-alex-jones/ ). One has to honestly, without a sense of irony, ask themselves: Just how easy is it to compromise Alex Jones?
Disinformation and misinformation (it’s more “respectable” counterpart) need to be taken as serious threats to democracy. Anyone familiar with the history of government takeovers knows that false information is the gasoline which fuels the fire. The distiniction between disinformation and misinformation is critical but the affect is still the same, especially with someone like Jones whose complete lack of integrity allows him to evade accusations (as he did with Sandy Hook and now Pizzagate) by claiming he is merely a messenger, he’s just “reporting” the information, not creating it.
The problem is false information is not simply overturned with correct information and social media allows false information to be replicated and spread at an unprecendented speed. I would encourage everyone to read Conversation’s recent piece, “Unbelievable news? Read it again and you might think it’s true.” ( https://theconversation.com/unbelievable-news-read-it-again-and-you-might-think-its-true-69602 ) The psychological phenomenon of legitimizing false statements in response to repetition is clear.
We might not be living in the age of optism that the technologists would have us believe. As with every technological advance we are confronting the inevitable cynical backlash, a realization that our minds our susceptible to psychological corruption from our new media, and we might not be prepared to handle the implications. In other words, I would imagine that a figure like Jones would be seen as incredibly valuable to someone politically interested in spreading chaos and confusion, especially someone seeking to consolidate power.
“A wise man … proportions his belief to the evidence.”
–David Hume
And a shill relies on the quotes of others .
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge
Have you commented on the Scotland yard released police sketches matching the Podesta brothers? And that they knew and sometimes stayed with their find one third a mile away from the crime scene?
Mona ,
Oh Dear One of the intellectual choir , I take ubrage at the supercilious remark :——-” Powell’s claims were deadly wrong, but they were plausible.”
Geez,, the man used photo-shopped airbrushed pictures , while affecting cartoon anxiety , in his presentation WMD presentation to the UN .” Saddam has WMD’s and here’s the proof ” to the UN .
“A swindler… , then a quack, then a smooth, plausible gentleman — R. W. Emerson
Please stop spamming your replies already stated shortly below in response to my comment here.
Spamming ?
Mona,,Dear Mon
-Mona- ? jonabark
December 7 2016, 1:51 p.m.
Not a word that you write undermines what I stated. So consider my initial comment reiterated.
Mona ,,,, is this “SPAMMING” ?
-Mona- ? jonabark
December 7 2016, 1:51 p.m.
Not a word that you write undermines what I stated. So consider my initial comment reiterated.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
–Carl Sagan
http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/12/massive-repository-of-indisputable-pizzagate-evidence/
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=59183 ‘D.C. PizzaGate “Shooter” is an Actor – His Father Works for the Feds’
Indeed.
How many internet hits you think Mackey is racking up on this one . This is what the MSM has become . The story that can get the most people , throwing the most MSM garbage at one another is a winning story .
Good example of Mudbone level insight here.
Shocking Claim: MSM wants eyeballs.
Good thing you are here to cut through the noise Mudbone. Next you’ll be telling us that people are in it for the money. Amazing insights nobody has thought of before.
This twist from Gert – “Hard to see also how this attorney-appellant can be so credulous as to accept as a ‘evidence’ for ‘Pizzagate’ the flimsiness she presents ad nauseam in this thread…”
All I have done in this thread is to point out the creepy instagram posts of James Alefantis and to state that there is enough creepiness involving children there to make a case for the FBI to question Alefantis.
Whether it is Pizzagate or something else, the FBI investigation can unravel. It is also in Alefantis’ interest to cooperate with the FBI (if he has nothing to hide) so that he can clear his name.
Most of which are only “creepy” to those already predisposed to believing this stuff due to political bias or MUDDLEBRAINS like you, Seema.
If some arsehole made false allegations against you, muddlebrain, do you think you should automatically be investigated as well? You know, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander?
For someone who claims to be the victim of an injustice you show remarkable little empathy for those who in all likelihood have also suffered such a thing.
If it comes to an investigation Alefantis will have no choice to cooperate.
I was raised a protestant in a predominately catholic neighborhood. By the time that I reached fifth grade, my catholic friends were already speaking of the priest that liked to fondle the genitals of his alter boys. Although the knowledge of this priest’s pedophiliac activities was widely known by the mid-sixties, his activities were not publicly exposed until he was photographed attending a NAMBA rally. When these friends attempted to speak to their parents about the Priest, they were excoriated for rumor mongering. In the mid 1990s, that particular priest publicly confessed to more than 150 cases of pedophilia (he claimed that he has actually lost count). Speaking to the potential for such abuse is not the same as accusing someone without sufficient evidence.
Except accusing w/o sufficient evidence is exactly what these wacos are doing.sheesh!!!
Creepiness ? evidence.
I can’t believe a layperson like myself has to even take this position around here.
That ^^ of course ^^ is a lie.
This does not make sense. I don’t know if the pizzagate story is true or not…but alt media is sounding awfully like the MSM, even Wikileaks too. Has the intercept addressed the whereabouts of Julian Assange, he could clear up this problem.
WIKILEAKS GREATEST HITS: Seventy-Seven Count Indictment Special http://podestaemails.blogspot.com/2016/11/wikileaks-greatest-hits-seventy-seven_5.html
Warning to Hillary Clinton: If there is one thing that could well bring down a Hillary Clinton candidacy it is this cycle of money issue
http://podestaemails.blogspot.com/2016/11/warning-to-hillary-clinton-if-there-is.html
*Why won’t you say whether you wiped it?**Did you wipe the server, yes or no?* #17338
http://podestaemails.blogspot.com/2016/11/warning-to-hillary-clinton-if-there-is.html
I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place
http://podestaemails.blogspot.com/2016/11/i-am-so-looking-forward-to-spirit.html
Of course, dare point out that there is absolutely no supporting evidence and you’ll automatically be labeled a part of the conspiracy. This is the pattern with conspiracy nuts.
Sounds like it’s another, in this case oppositely directed, iteration of what they attempted to do to Assange (even same forums involved, though for seemingly politically inverse purposes): ‘Whoever is behind the toddandclare.com website came out slashing Thursday, accusing WikiLeaks of “vicious slurs” and saying they were “law-abiding citizens” subject to the “sinister and unlawful behavior of Wikileaks reddit users, calling for people to be harassed and physically hurt.”’
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article110904727.html
Bobby Mackey, go back to your safe-space with those pink borders. Like a typical fascist, Bobby considers anything that he disagrees with misinformation. This man would be very conformable working for Stalin. I have never witnessed such a childish, hate-filled, egocentric journalist make such a fool of himself with his constant tantrums. Please fire this hack!
A glimpse into the mindset of true believers, from the comment thread of the unz.com page someone below linked to:
* One thing that is hard not to notice, if you look at who is involved here, is that almost all of the creeps involved are Jewish.
* The fact is the media is fused with the political class today. It’s heavily saturated with Jews and and Homosexuals and there tends to be a sort of a ‘secret handshake’ aspect to both of these groups.
* Be aware that the Central Banksters want world government and for it to emerge the complete destruction of national governments is needed.
* Speaking of “artists,” I always thought the sicko, Salvador Dali was particularly deranged…!
* “…if you search “Podesta Madeline McCann”, there are a number of coincidences suggesting the possibility the brothers could have had a role in her disappearance. The key point is that Clement Freud, the convicted pedophile who I mentioned in the essay the brothers remained close friends with, has a mansion less than half a mile away from where the young girl disappeared in Portugal. We know that the Podesta brothers traveled there on occassion, there’s reason to think they may have been there during the month she disappeared, and the police sketches look disturbingly identical to both John and Tony Podesta
* Rotate the old logo for Besta Pizza 180 degrees. It is the pedophile BLogo symbol.
* You underplayed the symbols. That’s one of the strongest pieces of evidence. Assuming the FBI page is real, there are three major pedo symbols: the nested triangles, the nested hearts, and the cloverleaf. EACH ONE is represented at a different business on that same block. Comet has the paddles that match the cloverleaf. If that’s too subtle. they add Play Eat Drink (P-E-D-ophilia) in the middle. Besta has the triangles. Terasol has the nested hearts, and if that’s too subtle, they added a big hand nested inside a small hand to symbolize the adult/child relationship.
* Trump is connected to pedophilia circumstancially as much as these Pizzagate characters are. But because of partisanship, he’s not going to get the same sort of attention about it from the right.
Alex Jones says he ate pizza twice yesterday. Is he involved in a pedo ring? If we’re taking the “code” as literal, someone should investigate Jones.
Given that Obama turned a conspiracy theory based on no evidence into US foreign policy (the ‘evidence’ that Iran had, or even would have wanted to have, a nuclear weapon program was and is as ephemeral and debunked as the ‘evidence’ that there was/is a child sex slave operation in this pizza place) and is far from the first to do so (goes all the way back to the single digit Presidents) and that the practice has also been part and parcel of domestic political practice, and policing, why the shock and outrage?
@bahhummingbug
N.C. man told police he went to D.C. pizzeria with gun to investigate conspiracy theory
As for this: “Colin Powell makes the case for war in Iraq, NYT 2003″
Powell’s claims were deadly wrong, but they were plausible.
I submit to you, bah, that it is different in both kind and degree when the media uncritically accepts the claims of government officials, on the one hand, and when implausible moral panics and conspiracy theories spread with the result that massive numbers of paranoid people — evincing no critical thinking skills — successfully promote deranged theories that result in innocent, private citizens being widely famed and threatened.
A culture in which this becomes common and the norm — in which extraordinary claims meet wide acceptance but requiring no evidence — when all of this normalized a society is in severe decline.
This phenomenon is akin to the John Birch Society controlling the narrative. No rational person should think that a thing not worthy of concern.
Nonsense. Colin Powell himself promoted a deranged theory of threats that were relatively easily proved completely wrong. And while remotely plausible, remote plausibility does not justify this violent recklessness in which he to initiate a war. Powell failed to make a sound and responsible distinction between plausibility and a warning of serious threat by the secretary of defense, and it is exactly that kind of failure that you are deriding in the bizarre interpretation of the Podesta e-mails which also remotely plausible but absurd as news.
The mainstream media and both party administrations have set the stage for professional misinformation campaigns. We are drowning in bullshit and it is hard to know who to trust. I have reservations of Mackey’s trustworthiness based on what looks to me like gullibility and a moral double-standard as regards the Democrats, but Alex Jones is an outright misinformation machine.
Also, Mackey, as a hard-core defender of Democrats and Hillary is overstating the role of fake news in Trump’s electoral college win without substantive evidence. He needs to work harder if he wants to make that kind of case in a credible way.
Not a word that you write undermines what I stated. So consider my initial comment reiterated.
Mona , dear one of the intellectual choir , your incisive retort would be most appreciated wrt the following dribble you posted —-
” Powell’s claims were deadly wrong, but they were plausible.”
To wit I present Waldo’s take on the matter of Powell’s plausibility——-
“a swindler… , then a quack, then a smooth, plausible gentleman — R. W. Emerson
superficially pleasing or persuasive , a swindler… , then a quack, then a smooth, plausible gentleman — R. W. Emerson
Geez ! The man used airbrushed photos to prove his WMD case to the UN . And that was in addition to the cartoon animation he personally affected .
Mudbum..
re: “a swindler…, then a quack..” rwe
“And a shill relies on the quotes of others.” -mudbone
Digging your humility!
Next..
d’nger
As someone who reads the Intercept and actually respects a lot of the journalism you do, I say this with love… The problem here is that typical MSM journalists don’t do their jobs, which is to take an active role in investigating these controversies and then provide a fair counterpoint based on fact to diffuse the hysteria before it escalates. I don’t know if it’s laziness or lack of resources or creativity or what, but instead of getting in a Twitter war with alt-righters after the fact, maybe the Intercept would have done better to read up on #pizzagate as it was unfolding and then, I don’t know, walk over to the pizza place and interview the owner, the staff, ask if they could take a look around to show there’s nothing fishy, etc. If the owner refused, they should explain a) it’s in their interest to dispel the rumors before their reputation is permanently tarnished or worse (in this case a gunman showing up) and b) it’s great PR/advertising for their business. I sincerely believe putting a human face on the owners and staff would have made this particular gunman think twice about doing what he did. Yes, there are those who will never believe anything contrary to their feelings, but this is the vocal minority. There are many more quiet level-headed people living busy lives who read these publications in private who will see the reality… It’s a misconception that most people reading alt-right media are crazy echo-chamber white nationalists. Speaking as an Asian-American, I know, at least within my community of friends, a variety of different people of all races and genders who read and view these publications. Most are simply searching for truth and the MSM is not providing it. In their mind, the MSM has lost all credibility. They see a total fabrication like the Rolling Stone frat-rape story and feel manipulated for an agenda. Then they read Wikileaks and see the numerous cases where MSM, DNC and the Clinton campaign colluded to cheat against Bernie Sanders. Then they notice the staggering absence of articles digging through the details of the Podesta emails. For instance, I had to read Zero Hedge to find out about this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-30/doug-band-john-podesta-if-story-gets-out-we-are-screwed Add to that the presumptive attitude towards “crazy conspiracy theories”. Remember chemtrails? For years, even I was suckered into believing it was a hoax and then I see this: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/director-cia-stratospheric-aerosol-injection/ , https://youtu.be/uIQDqxl9FtM?t=11m52s The freaking CIA director talking about chemtrails at a CFR meeting! Where are the MSM stories taking this man to task and weighing the pros and cons of geo-engineering ? Non-existent. Either silence or smug dismissal. These are just one examples of a wide-array of cases in which the MSM buries its head in the sand and calls the alt-media watchmen crazies, instead of saying, “Okay, maybe there’s something here, let’s investigate and report what we find.” Say what you will about #pizzagate, there’s definitely weird code language in those emails. Podesta is being invited to spirit cooking rituals. There’s a weird Dahmer inspired sculpture hanging in his brother’s house. Isn’t that a little bizarre? Is this not something that the Intercept can at least make an effort in understanding? What not investigate? Why are you leaving it up to Twitter to turn this into a firestorm? You can be a active part in diffusing these bombs. Or better yet, you might actually uncover something in need of uncovering. Isn’t it every journalist’s dream to be Woodward and Bernstein? Now the opportunities are endless! There’s plenty of corrupt, vile evil happening in the world. You should be working WITH this army of internet investigators and trying to guide the conversation, rather than fighting against them… Anyway, still love what you guys do, even if I’ve been a bit critical in this case. Take care.
You hit the nail on the head, and they won’t respond with anything of substance. Secretly investigating or secretly cowards? Or worse.
Well, I see you successfully managed to work your “No Evidence” and “conspiracy theory” talking points into the story.
TI: “conspiracy theory for which there is no evidence ”
NYT” “… an online conspiracy theory asserting, with no evidence…”
NBC: “Even though there was no evidence to support those claims…”
I’m actually surprised that “The Intercept” is on CC: to the “MSM Talking Points of the Day” memo.
You’re not quite as good as NPR however. They managed to say it about 5 times in less than 2 minutes.
“I’m actually surprised that “The Intercept” is on CC: to the “MSM Talking Points of the Day” memo.”
Yeah, the editor still works hard for Fair and Balanced propaganda.
Mackay has produced the vast proportion. The headline is all anyone needs to read of a Mackay piece. The best part is that he didn’t write it so you can skip the shower.
I guess I’m crazy a well. Because you are doing the exact same thing your accusing the crazies of doing. How is that lost on you? And using anyone from CNN as your reasoning? Seriously?
You’re part of problem. You are not a journalist by any stretch.
But… Of course, everyone else is crazy.
Man (white) walks into pizza parlor with gun and then surrenders to police but is not shot.
Man (black) is shot running away from police because he was a ‘threat’ to the officer. Or man (black) on ground calming mentally ill patient is shot by police.
What happens when the press loses its ability to shame wrongdoers? Trump said he could shoot a person on 5th ave and would not get arrested. He might be right. He’s bound to push his limits — with drones in Yemen, troops in Syria, or FBI in San Francisco. So long as he remains useful to the Republican Party, Congress will ignore his worst behavior, even if it is illegal.
If you open the door to your daughters bedroom and she was having sex with her boyfriend, 99 of 100 times he will stop, apologize, or run away. We are dealing with the other guy, the one who isn’t shamed, the one who continues even though you caught him. What do you do with a guy like that?
I was told to knock first.
Alefantis’ Instagram pics of babies have comments like
Hotard, yum baby, gay baby,
Grown men saying want one, need that, must have, about someone else’s baby.
WTF?
Is this your web site? http://seemasapra.blogspot.com/
Is that document on the front page of your web site an accurate document filed by you?
Sure. Read paragraphs 19, 20, 24 and 25 of that document carefully first. I am a General Electric Company whistleblower in India.
I’m not sure how things work in the court system in India, but if you really are an attorney, and “pleadings” in India are supposed to be similar in structure, focus, form and content to those filed in England or America — then what is linked at your website is quite possibly one of the most confusing and poorly drafted pleadings I have ever read in my entire legal career.
If you can’t see what a hot mess your pleading is, you should contact a competent litigation attorney you trust, and solicit his/her opinions as to its quality and some drafting tips.
If you are a pro se litigant I’d suggest you find a competent attorney to help you advance your purported legal claims and draft your pleadings, because it appears you need the help.
If you are an attorney in India, I’d say — wow, hopefully none of your former clients ever had you draft pleadings on their behalf because if that’s indicative of the quality of the legal product you generally produced in your legal career–again, wow.
Then again, not every attorney in the world is best suited to litigation and drafting pleadings, and maybe you were an attorney with a different legal expertise and skill set that didn’t focus on litigation. But litigation and pleadings are an important skill, and I’d say art.
You really should try and obtain some assistance with your pleadings, because I’ve seen better pleadings from pro se litigants in America with no formal legal training.
Seriously, maybe things work differently in India, but in America most judges at any level of the court system, don’t have the time or energy to fight through and try and decipher pleadings that are that poorly drafted, and are going to struggle to take them seriously.
Since you know nothing of me, of my case against GE, about the circumstances I am in, about the circumstances in which this pleading was drafted and about how pleadings are drafted in India, you make no sense.
In fact, your very statement that the pleadings are badly drafted is disinformation intended to discourage anyone else from reading the document that Mona the paid troll targeting me here so helpfully linked to.
You do not want people to read that document because it exposes GE.
I have no time to waste on unoriginal trolls like you.
Readers can read that document in full and judge for themselves.
And @ rrheard, I point you to verifiable facts about a GE impersonation fraud on the Delhi High Court and your only comment is about supposedly badly drafted pleading. That itself shows the malafide intent behind your response.
Don’t bother to engage further with me.
I don’t need to know anything about you. My comment was strictly aimed at the quality of your legal pleadings.
If you honestly believe you’re going to get very far in any legal system that I’m aware of with that quality of “legal product” then you really need to think long and hard about my advice–which is to get some assistance with your case.
And I already answered you before. Don’t waste my time.
And I have already answered you. Stop wasting my time with your malicious advice. The only reason I have gotten so far with GE is because I did not use other lawyers, who would have been bought-off.
What BTW are your comments on paragraph 19 of my perfectly workable pleading?
My advice isn’t malicious. I also already conceded that pleadings may work differently than in America or UK. But reading your pleading I’ll stick to my honest assessment of it–it’s a mess.
Believe what you like. If and when you “beat GE” on your own, you make sure and let us all know. We will all be rightfully impressed, and I will apologize for criticizing your pleadings.
But I guess, in true Catch-22 fashion, if you don’t beat GE, it will just mean to you that there was a successful conspiracy against your legal claims by both GE and the system of justice in India, and all the judges who evaluated your pleadings and the merits of your claims, and that you were ultimately unable to overcome on your own. And maybe that will be true, but the practical outcome of not being able to overcome it, assuming you don’t, is that you’ll not to receive the relief you seek.
Guess we’ll see. I guess that’s why they say “justice is imperfect”.
Read my comments on this thread before trying to undermine me https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/vindication-for-baltimore-police-critics-but-no-action/?comments=1#comments
Claiming someone is spreading disinformation while baseslessly calling someone else a “paid troll”, all in the same sentence. Oo-Kaayyy….
“Claiming someone is spreading disinformation while baseslessly calling someone else a “paid troll”, all in the same sentence. Oo-Kaayyy….”
The only person to routinely claim people are paid trolls is -Mona-.
Oh cow shit, it’s mona describing herself.
Don’t miss paragraph 8 in particular, and 4 & 6.
Hard to see also how this attorney-appellant can be so credulous as to accept as a ‘evidence’ for ‘Pizzagate’ the flimsiness she presents ad nauseam in this thread…
PizzaGate caused Donald Trump.
Right.
How does this type of thinking make it past an editor? It is unhinged paranoia. It’s pretty clear exit polls showed most Trump voters’ top priority was a concern about some pizza shop somewhere where apparently somebody made ridiculous allegations that led to approximately 4 people on the planet earth believing them. Case closed.
Block busting journalism. What’s that sound? That must be a Pulitzer prize coming!
The amount of arrogance and condescension required to believe this duped 10’s of millions of people against the author’s preferred candidate is hard to overstate. Illegal immigration? Nope. Trade deals? Nope. Economy? Nope. Overzealous identity politics? Nope. Dissatisfaction with the direction of the country? Nope.
Pizza Shop? YES!
Here’s another “fake news” idea….maybe the opposition ran a highly flawed establishment candidate in the face of an electorate that desired change.
Nope. Not what the author is claiming at all.
Mackey correct?Admitting his own disinfo helped Trump?
Wow.
In several instagram pics of babies and children, Alefantis tags #carisjames. In one pic with a baby with this tag, he calls the baby male but is then corrected by someone who points out that the baby is a she.
The point being that Alefantis does not know the baby personally. Caris James is also not a name in this context.
Why was Alefantis posting pics of unknown babies? And he tags other people calling their attention to these pics.
You lost me when you referred to Jake Tapper as a journalist.
How is this not a story? How does this work? Put it on a jet, fly it to washington, have the secret service pick it up and deliver it to the White House?
I’d like to see a break down of the costs. Store invoices etc. This is beyond Marie (let-them-eat-anchovies) Antoinette.
How is this related to “Pizzagate”?
Do you honestly not understand how this looks to ordinary working Americans? $65,000 for one private party at the White House with “food” flown in from a thousand miles away? And who knows, maybe it was hyperbole or exaggeration for comic effect, but anyway it’s story.
Run it down, write it up, check the facts and shove it out the door.
That’s what journalism is about.
it looks like rich people being profligate with other peoples’ money. which is reprehensible, but has nothing to do with pedophilia.
It’s a story. But it’s not “Pizzagate”…
Once you start checking the facts who knows where it may lead? For example:
Where did they buy the pizza? Which store? Why that store? Check the amount? Check the date?
Are we talking $500 pizzas here or 2000 ten dollar pizzas?
Was this a one time deal or is this weekly/monthly thing?
Anybody know somebody who went to the party who will talk on background?
Was it good pizza? Does it get good reviews?
Was it public monies? Who checks the accounts? Any receipts?
Who delivered it? UPS? FedEx? Air force One?
How does this pass White House security measures?
Find some facts and check them.
You are asking them to be journalists. Careful.
You just cannot accept the truth. Bush, Obama and Clinton elected Trump. The establishment candidates pushed enough swing voters to call it in “Danger Close” and risk a Trump Precedency. When you are being overrun by a failed system not a bad call. Hope it does not get worse I sure hate “On my position, if you please. “
Hillary Clinton supporters just can’t face reality.
The fact is, Hillary Clinton’s private foundation deals were really, really shady; her deletion of emails from her private server was really, really shady, and her diehard loyalty to Wall Street, the Israelis and the Saudis was the last thing most Americans wanted in a President.
Hillary Clinton was just a terrible, terrible candidate, which is why she lost to Donald Trump, which is why the House and Senate were lost – at the end, both Clinton and Trump had 60% negative ratings, 40% of the public wanted neither. That means that “none of the above” should have won. And of course, Bernie Sanders would have had a landslide victory over Trump. The corporate Democrats are just rotten to the core, and everyone except their most loyal followers and beneficiaries (i.e. Corporate Media, Wall Street, Saudi and Israeli governments etc.) is sick of it.
Really, Hillary Clinton and her supporters, from the dishonest DNC to the highly biased corporate media to the rat pack of corporate Democratic insiders, have nobody but themselves to blame for the debacle of this past election. They lost to Donald Trump, for heaven’s sake. He had 60% negative approval ratings among the general public! Bernie Sander would have beat him by a 12-point margin! So now they need to get lost, and make way for real Democrats, if they ever want to see their party win another election. But maybe they don’t, maybe they’re just there for the lobbyist handouts and the private foundation donations and so their kids can get jobs with big donors?
And your rant is related to “Pizzagate”, how?
C’mon -Mona-, give it a rest. You are just unable to control your policing of anything Glenn.
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There are only two changes I’d make. One is that Democrats did gain (as of now, unless things change in Louisiana*) six seats in the House and two seats in the Senate. Second, a big part is that Democrats have had a disturbing tendency to neglect Congressional races and state races**. The rest is spot-on.
* Louisiana has an unusual “jungle primary” system where the two top vote-getters, if there is no majority, face a final runoff. Their Senate race and one House race have a Democrat facing a Republican, and if Democrats win, their margin will increase. It should be noted that Pence is campaigning down there, and I haven’t heard any reports of Democrats campaigning.
** Then again, it’s also worth noting that the Democratic Party set up a thing last year where various state parties shared funds (if by “shared”, you mean “giving over 75% to her) with the Clinton campaign- even before the nomination was decided. Various fundraisers funneled money to Clinton through the state parties. The story was first broken not by a journalist, but by a lady best known for portraying a journalist from a great Metropolitan newspaper- and she was mocked for it. (The news organization that published it has been accused of being “fake news” by the shadowy PropOrNot.) Then, the confirmation of this was in the leaked Wikileaks emails…and we all know how the media treated those.
Hoax becomes hot news only when truth is imprisoned in the market of public opinion. And the cynic society goes for falsehood because it sells faster .Yowl!
This is essentially payback for Democrat-supported allegations that Trump was a sexual harasser and rapist. One can argue whether such allegations are fair or not in the pigsty-dirty context of U.S. politics. However, I think a safe line to draw is when such unsubstantiated attacks place real (indeed regular) people in a likely, indeed predictable, state of danger. And yet this is exactly what happened a few days ago and the causative factor was clear and unmistakable: a furious and fanatical attack not just on an individual, but on an entire establishment that is a popular public venue for children and families. It is a matter of elementary ethics for serious and honest amateur investigators to practice great caution and restraint when dealing with highly incendiary topics of investigation, especially when such topics imply a risk to children in multiple regards. However, Anon has no ethics, has no restraint, has no conscience, Anon is nihilism incarnated, emboldened, and empowered–without a mitigating ounce of responsibility–by the combined impulses of countless unaccountables: drunk on the freedom of not having to humanly care while hypocritically pretending to care too much, all too much, about the “evils” that overlap perfectly and exclusively with a political party or ideology they just so happen to a priori oppose. That is political fascism in its most psychologically elementary form.
Amen!
Here’s the counterpoint, for anyone interested:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467064
It’s not a counterpoint. It’s stupid, irresponsible, conspiracy theory twaddle.
You guys are fucking morons.
Also, if Harvard is a more acceptable source, perhaps you might want to read about the Clintons’ involvement with convicted child trafficker Laura Silsby and her team, which tried to traffick 30+ children from Haiti.
http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/King.pdf
Upon looking at the article, it’s bad, but not as bad as you imply. There’s a difference between taking children and selling them for adoption (which can have positive or negative results) and taking children and selling them into sexual slavery or other slavery (with entirely negative results).
This doesn’t provide any counterpoint AT ALL.
It’s more anon churnalism, pro-pizzagate.
The story contained in the link to Belgian “pedocracy” (very creative!) is long debunked nonsense, BTW.
Paul Joseph Watson has devolved into a white nationalist idiot, hasn’t he? Of course if you help spread a conspiracy theory, you have some responsibility for its consequences. That’s not the case with religious membership or ethnicity. It’s not even the case with nationality, though that’s debatable.
Another epic failure by someone calling themselves a journalist.
At least now you are all consistently slanted, and not trying to hide it anymore.
But, reality is tough, and what Mr. Mackey wrote has some diversions from that place.
Its certain that Adults know the pizza thing is both false and completely irrelevant. Sorry there are so many sheeple that can see this though.
To make assertions that some of the things stated about clinton were conspiracy theory is purely delusional. Anyone within proximity to the vocation of journalist should have known that there is irrefutable evidence of misdeeds by the clinton people and the related foundation.
The head of the FBI made a public statement that justice was dead for the oligagrchy, and that only the little people would be prosecuted for things.
This is outrageous beyond anything that occurred in the elections.
All the presidential candidates were horrible psychopaths. None were worth a vote.
But one has clearly violated oaths numerous times, colluded with foreign donors, provided privileges to friends, manipulated the DNC and the pathetic press, and has committed felony offenses which put others in prison.
And yest you see no contradiction between these two points…
Good article. What some/many people fail to realize: a key component of Infowars propaganda strategy is to get so-called “leftists” to start chatting about his propaganda. Apparently if they accept the propaganda first it’s guaranteed the alt-right will accept a version of the same propaganda (maybe flavored for their tastes). Then the propaganda has a chance at becoming mainstream.
Specifically, what’s missing in this article is the connection between Pizzagate and the Bohemian Grove junk – with Infowars in the middle (but never connecting the dots). This is a huge oversight in my opinion. Friends told me to check out what Jones had to say about the Bohemian grove over 10 years ago. Even then Jones was talking about human sacrifice, pedophilia, and other absurd rituals amongst the supposedly most-powerful-people — except it was in regards to the Bush Administration. Karl Rove writes about making a visit to Bohemian Grove on p.344 of “Courage and Consequence: My Life as a Conservative in the Fight”. It shouldn’t be too difficult to find online references Jones talking about Bushies+Friends at Bohemian Grove.
This oversight may serve to validate pizzagate propaganda. When is somebody going to do some investigative reporting on Alex Jones? In my opinion, Alex Jones + Infowars = 21st Century COINTELPRO agents.
Mackey’s doing good work here. This pizzagate insanity demonstrates that uncritical thinking has become accepted and is standard operating procedure among a vast swath of the citizenry, and that they are ascendant. That is, they are now powerful enough to cause real harm with their unhinged delusions.
Yes, of course, the MSM has long been afflicted with a deeply unhealthy deference to government fact claims, or those of powerful interests. See, e.g., Iraq war. Nevertheless, that is different in both kind and degree from online madness based literally on nothing promoted by vicious and/or paranoid people. Pervasive, absurd “dot connecting” promoting mass hallucinations, that negatively impact private people in very harmful ways, is the mark of a culture in decline.
No society, or body politic, can productively engage in political discourse — or discourse about much else — when the baselines requirement for evidence and rational processing of claims are abandoned. That this abandonment is happening is, indeed, great cause for concern.
I have to disagree Mona. Mackey is taking a side before facts have been checked and any real evidence has been proven or dis-proven.
One of the reasons I linked to the app thing down thread, is that it fits a profile of what you would need to access the Dark Web. It automatically takes care of things like authentication, payments and so forth. Also, Law Enforcement may already be in possession of the alleged app and not know it. They frequently seize computers from pedos so they may in fact already have the app sitting on a hard drive they just haven’t recognized.
Something in this mess is triggering law enforcement. They are seeing signs of things they really don’t like.
That would be verifiable evidence, not just hearsay.
Journalists take sides, Silver. And who shouldn’t, against some crap originating from a Reddit thread and which has since mushroomed?
Because it is way too early. If some of this proves out you are left standing there defending a debauched elite whilst turning your back on helpless victims.
Not a good place to be.
My money is firmly on the Redditers ending up with massive egg on their faces, after which they’ll claim a coverup/move on to the next made up sensationalist smear job.
If these nutzies have the right to spew their nonsense then journalists should have the right to provide some counterpoint.
Stories about “debauched elites” and their “pedocracies” much predate this particular waffle and are almost always 100 % untrue.
Pizza gate seems a way of smearing actual real truths about HRC and the demoncrats.Guilt by association crap.
I wouldn’t declare it definitively false though,knowing the dark hearts of all the hell bitch supporters,who seem very prone to sexual corruption.
We’ll see.
“Pizza gate seems a way of smearing actual real truths about HRC and the demoncrats.”
Could be. Bill has been known as a sexual predator for decades (private trips on Epstein’s jet ) and the Repubs despise him for that. The public Christian parts of them, anyway …
Billary has been running cover for Bill since before the WH. What a joke.
“…Bill has been known as a sexual predator for decades (private trips on Epstein’s jet )…
This is how “fake news” gets a toehold: inaccurate claims that one knows something when it is simply an allegation.
Almost always, it’s downhill from there.
Colin Powell makes the case for war in Iraq, NYT 2003 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/06/world/threats-responses-security-council-powell-un-speech-presents-case-show-iraq-has.html
*what’s this ‘pizzagate’ Mackey talking about got to do with the price of beans in China, sis?
Have a nice day Mona .
Little by little our ability to govern ourselves is becoming unraveled, because the manners, morals, and institutions government rests on are becoming either unraveled or guided by people beyond the influence of the consent of the governed.
Does anyone really believe this is happening spontaneously?
The Instagram pics of Alefantis which I have described in earlier comments are enough for an FBI investigation into him. The rest can unravel from there.
Is this your web site? http://seemasapra.blogspot.com/
Is that document on the front page of your web site an accurate document filed by you?
It seems almost impossible to tell fact from fiction anymore in what gets passed as “news” anymore (note, I said “seems almost”) — enough that I don’t think a lot of people care what the truth is or is not — it’s all what they WANT to believe instead — which has disastrous consequences (like “Pizzagate”).
It reminds me why Dante made the worst of sins not murder, but lying and treachery.
Postmodernism is in the process of catastrophic failure. I turned my TV off 15 years ago, and I’m close to turning the Internet off.
If Mackey was a “real” fact-based journalist he would not have limited
this story to the “Disinformation” of Trump supporters, but he could have
EASILY shown how this desperate gullibility is of the same
willfully stupid, predatory, dangerous crap
which almost elected the gleefully murderous, lying Hillary Clinton.
Mackey seems to need to be a part of the branch of delusional
misrepresentation which refuses to see reality when the reality
involves the fact that the democrats and republicans share the
same need for domination and misrepresentation, no matter
how many lives they destroy.
Two versions of obnoxiously stupid – democrat and republican –
but Mackey can only see one.
when will you idiots stop blaming hillary for everything that went wrong in your miserable life.
read the article again you failed propaganda bot.
Funny how Mackey completely glosses over guttersnipe Brock’s involvement in the Clinton disinformation campaign “Correct the Record” while lending discredited “media matters” legitimacy. Mackey is not a journalist but a reliable Clinton apologist and frankly, just as he claims to have tried to reason with Pizzagate citizen journalists, he is beyond reason in his support and peddling of Clinton propoganda.
“… the reality involves the fact that the democrats and republicans share the same need for domination and misrepresentation …”
For most of us the comment section on various sites was our “public square.” “Correct the Record” poisoned the space and there was no where else for us to go. What next?
“What next?”
It appears that what is next is more of the same.
The same crap drives the democrats and republicans and the
vast majority of people in the “exceptional” faking U$A who
Will not abandon the same old same old.
The predators keep “hope” alive because it is the biggest
moneymaker for their pockets. Every candidate from the corporate
stables of the democrats and republicans is promoted as
the way to change the system of which they are a product.
The real recipe of ingredients remains consistent,
whether it is labelled Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush,…….
Those who draw distinctions between the democrats and the
republicans are those who are NOT trustworthy.
I’m not saying they are all of the same level of predatory scheming,
but I am saying that whether deliberately misleading or just stupidly
gullible and delusional, they do not deserve ANY trust.
Do what you can to live your life by reducing the seemingly
inevitable harm we do to each other and to the environment
and work against the untrustworthy devils of the
democrat/republican, corporate owned faking U$A.
Okay, can we all agree that everything that pizzagate has revealed is circumstantial evidence at this point? Good.
Now can we all agree that the coincidences are incredible to say the least and they should be investigated thoroughly? Good.
Nope. Not every allegation merits investigation. There are reputations at stake, people get burnt for life by some of these rumours. Mud sticks badly.
Some of these ‘incredible coincidences’ are unbelievable because they simply aren’t true.
It’s not a coincidence the conspiratists claim to have found something that ‘involves’ children: far more lurid and salacious than money or internal party shenanigans…
Gert said, “Some of these ‘incredible coincidences’ are unbelievable because they simply aren’t true.”
Sure, some are. Does that mean we have to throw them all out? Even, for example, the British police releasing pics, three years ago, of suspects in the Madeleine McCann abduction, that look EXACTLY like the Podesta Brothers? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/14/british-detectives-efits-madeleine-mccann-suspect
Yes, and we all believed there were WMD’s in Iraq. Bill Clinton said “I did not have sexual relations with that lady.” We believed lots of things that were printed on paper and played on TV, only to find out later how we had beed lied to. To dismiss this and just chalk it up to another “BooHoo Everybody Hates Hillary” story is pathetic and inept. If you find the subject matter to intense and disturbing, then don’t bother writing about it and leave it up to the only people left in the world who actually still believe in the fourth estate- your so snidely coined “Amateur Internet Sleuths”
There are no “coincidences.” There’s just your little conspiracy theorist imaginations, reading into signs and symbols and seeing things that just aren’t there, because you’re trying to play out your fantasies about being like the guy in the DaVinci Code.
Learn to think properly.
I am less concerned about someone’s “reputation” so much as I am concerned about the possibility of actual pedophilic trafficking.
If the people that are under suspicion are innocent then the investigations will reveal no wrongdoing, but people in positions of power should expect to be held accountable for their actions just like the rest of us.
The fact that six or more buildings within a one block radius are owned by Clinton associates and almost every single one has a logo that resemble well documented pedophile symbols? That’s called a coincidence. “A remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection”. Until there is real evidence of wrongdoing it remains a coincidence. Which has a very low burden of proof.
Anyone with the ability to “think properly” who objectively looks at the situation should at the very least come away with a clear sense that several involved characters in this story are, at the very least, profoundly creepy.
Somebody liking food( an incredible fact discovered by hacking their private emails) should be investigated?
Uh, maybe not. Hilary murdering tens of thousands in Libya based on lies exposed by the major human rights groups seems like a more morally potent issue of concern. But not for Trumpsters, give them Pizzagate. Did you know “frankly” is Hillary’s reptilian code word for “turn up the heat on this planet and let’s have a ‘pizza’ party”?
Reporters/Journalists like to think of themselves as the people who inform the rest of us. That they are the fount of knowledge and the ultimate arbiters of reality. But, they are not the only sources of information we have available. There are actually trained investigators with badges who are empowered to find the truth (or at least the facts.)
In some cases, however, it appears that criminal investigations are being thwarted for political “National Security” reasons. So now we witness the rise of the Amateur Internet Sleuths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUqwuzcGeU
What we’re witnessing is that often genuine, demonstrably justified doubts about the MSM and other ‘experts’ are now being replaced by misplaced trust in equally agenda-driven, amateur ‘grassroots citizen journalists’, UToob slobberers and click-bait churnalism.
From the frying pan into the fire…
Maybe. I’m trying to think of the last time Mackey actually asked or answered a question. Which is odd, since he is in a position to actually ask some of these people questions.
For example, there is a photo of Podesta with his hands up and the number 14 on one hand and a fish on the other. WTF does it mean?
Why does Podesta’s brother have Teddy Bears and dolls on the nightstand in his bedroom? It’s very odd (the word creepy comes up a lot) especially when combined with the sort of artwork he has hanging around.
These are some of the most powerful people in Washington. Why not ask some questions? Put people on the record?
Speaking of creepy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bgwj1/this_photo_of_podesta_14_on_his_right_hand_fish/
Whatever you think about Mackey, he’s actually trying to shed some light on this latest conspiracy flap. Provide some answers, you know?
The pizza gate narrative is a conspiracy until proper context is provided outside of a fragmented time/date stamp timeline.
The sequence is not a fabrician, the contents are real. But that’s what happens when you have a mega tone of data- many dots to connect and no context
Either way, the CNN involvement with Clinton is real- thanks Wikileaks. So quoting one of them makes me realise this website has accepted its side of the fake news spectrum. A true journalist wouldn’t dare use a corrupt media outlet as a creditable source, that’s just lazy and ignorant.
And it also casts a massive question mark on the purpose of this article.
Time to read the intercept in different light. Thanks for making that load and clear Robert Mackay
The bias in Robert Mackey’s “journalism” is pretty disgraceful, but I wouldn’t say that The Intercept as a whole should be branded as such. It surprises me that Mackey still gets ‘printed’ given the standard of his articles of late
“It surprises me that Mackey still gets ‘printed’ given the standard of his articles of late”
He’s a pathetic hack. A one trick pony.
Italian sausage, mushrooms, black olives to go, please.
It better be hot when it gets here.
Non critical thinkers will believe anything that fits their agenda. Glenn Greenwald engaged in this himseilf recently, becoming something of a laughing stock.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/803379362607271942
That wasn’t his finest tweet, granted. But to lump Glenn Greenwald in with ‘non-critical thinkers’ is plain stupid, Gil.
Fair enough, didn’t mean to imply that Glenn was a non critical thinker, only that even Glenn is quick to pounce on an unverified story when it means sticking it to a someone for political reasons. Of course his uncritical thinking minions will take it at face value.
Glenn was tweeting a piece in the Pultzer-winning Guardian. Reasonable people can rely on the Guardian vetting it’s published pieces.Many frightened American Muslims were also gratefully tweeting that article.
You, on the other hand, defend a known propaganda site that engages in all manner of duplicitous ways, a site relied on extensively by your Zionist co-ideologues. Further, you steadfastly refuse to concede the well-demonstrated fact that CAMERA is duplicitous.
When Glenn has carried on like that, you’ll have room to talk. In the meantime, you utterly lack standing to pass such judgments.
Glenn retweeted a anonymously sourced story to cast aspersions on a political enemy.
You keep making the false charge that I defended CAMERA, which I have debunked. This is what I wrote about CAMERA:
“CAMERA is a site that that produces pro Israel articles. It provides factual information that favors Israel while tending to ignore the parts of the story that puts Israel in a bad light. No different than EI or an even more egregious practitioner of the form of lies by omission Max Blumenthal.”
Hardly a defense. Not to mention that you were unable to back up the claim you made which started the discussion.
Why doesn’t the Intercept do a hard story on Matt DeHart.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/matt-dehart-the-hacktivist-who-was-refused-asylum-in-canada-sentenced-in-u-s-on-child-porn-charges
And I say also unto thee, … the pizzagates of hell shall not prevail.
Blessed be the pizza makers for they shall have a piece.
Seems like someone is getting free pizza. The disinformation ironically comes screaming after the first two sentences.
So your example of disinformation that got Trump elected is a story that happened after the election and nobody on the right actually bought into? You couldn’t even get Alex Jones to bite on this stupid pizza parlor stuff, everyone with an IQ over 90 kept the focus on Podesta.
Why doesn’t Podesta just come out and disclose what the coded language in his emails meant? I’m sure it’s all very innocent right?
BTW : It’s very easy to tell when Soros is pushing these talking points out because all the surrogates will run with them at the same time no matter how silly they are. I would bet money that Soros is the source of the pizza parlor diversionary nonsense
The far right has been doing this stuff for years, including among US expats. In Panama we have had “sovereign citizens” and so on colonizing for years and they act this way in Panama too. A radio shill and friend of the Montana Freemen — the guy who announced that based on CIA information, he had learned that it wasn’t Tim McVeigh who blew up that federal building in Oklahoma but Bill Clinton — made his path through Costa Rica and Panama running fraudulent schemes after completing his Colorado prison sentence for fraud, and for writing about it [ https://web.archive.org/web/20060820043311/http://www.thepanamanews.com/pn/v_12/issue_15/business_01.html ] I faced a bogus criminal defamation prosecution which I won, was anonymously and falsely called a murderer and a rapist in online mudslinging and so on. What’s different now is that this crowd has been brought into the White House as part of the Trump entourage.
Those of us who have stood up to the “sovereign citizens,” including here in Panama among US expats, have for years been facing this sort of thing. I have, including bogus legal proceedings, anonymous and false allegations of rape and so on, because in 2006 I wrote about a guy aligned with the Montana Freemen — the radio shill who announced that on CIA information he had learned that it was not Tim McVeigh who blew up that federal buidling but Bill Clinton — who came to this region as a more ordinary hustler. I can get into a whole series of tangential rants, but the basic thing is that we have let a guy with this in his entourage into the White House.
If anyone has a concern for children and abuse, there are other ways to get to the truth.
This was only intended to be a smear. Look at the intentions of the propagators. Did they save any children ?
Children aren’t their concern.
But but but.. the children! Get the fuck out of here.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for I placed my order online over an hour ago, I’m hungry, and the delivery boy is late.
I am not surprised MSM calling this a hoax if ever mentioning it; but news outlets like Democracy Now or The Intercept not only calling this hoax, but not even doing some basic research on the Podesta emails… Even Alex Jones is chickening out.
Seriously, I am losing all respect I had for Greenwald & TI
We’ve done the research. There’s nothing there. At all. The reason this is (rightly) dismissed as a hoax is because this entire thing got started by people using their imaginations and reading into things–like with an inkblot test, or astrology, or any other pseudoscience. That’s all this is.
Another pic on James Alefantis’ instagram is of a man’s penis penetrating a female who looks underage. A comment states “Not for children”.
Now this is a weird comment that stands out.
The ‘incriminating’ picture is here (about 2/3 down):
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM
How anyone from that pornographic work can conclude that it’s a female who looks underage in that picture, is beyond me (but if you believe J.Assange has disappeared, you’ll believe anything).
As regards the comment “Not for children”, a more obviously correct statement is hard to think of: that kind of porn is obviously not suited for children! Talk about stating the blindingly obvious…
Go read her web site. You’ll understand her manner of thinking much better.
You just can’t stop, can you.
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Not even gonna scroll over your luna-links.
The female looks underage from the size of her butt relative to that of the male’s hands. She looks physically small.
This looks like a Jeff Koons picture taken at the Whitney museum. Podesta has donated art to the Whitney museum. The female in this picture looks much smaller than Ilona Staller who featured in other Jeff Koons pics with him.
Now coming to the strange comment on this picture that I mentioned.
Why would someone comment w.r.t this picture “Not for children”. Apparently Alefantis was uploading a fair bit of porn on his instagram account.
This comment makes no sense. Why would someone state the obvious. Who sees a porn pic on the internet and comments this.
There seems to have been a strange obsession with children on Alefantis’ instagram. And this coupled with porn and sexual imagery and sexual comments. The four in a mix seems creepy.
I just found this – http://blog.gsuslopez.com/post/3094660685/cornelwindlingbyjuegenteller – a reference to the same picture which states that the female was Jeff Koons’ then wife Ilona Staller.
This could be the case. But the woman looks physically smaller than Ilona Staller looks in other pics. Who knows what the truth is?
Someone simply looking at the picture would certainly wonder if the woman was under-aged, given the framing context of pedophilia.
That said, there are still many other creepy things about James Alefantis’ instagram posts. The FBI should question him. This can also help Alefantis clear his name if he has nothing to hide.
Another picture on James Alefantis’ instagram was of a baby with a comment from Jimmy Comet “Why does daddy like BUTT?”
There is another picture with two children, and what looks like a man with a female teen. It again says something like “Why does daddy like BUTT?”
One of James Alefantis’s instagram pics is of a baby with a sign on it that says for sale. Now this could just be a joke. But surely the FBI needs to question Mr Alefantis.
Another picture is of a little girl leaning onto a table with her hands taped to it. A man stands behind her.
Yet another picture is of a man hugging a baby with the tag chickenlovers which appears to be pedophilia slang.
A timely and enjoyable write-up (about a messed up issue). I’ve read some people ask out loud whether they should engage with pizzagate conspiracy theorists. This example adds support for a “don’t bother” or “might be dangerous” answer.
I was immediately reminded of the Colorado Springs “no more baby parts” PP shooting. (Which was a dark chapter in politicized disinformation.) If anything, the internet infosphere seems more disorganized and post-factual now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5c8u9l/we_are_the_wikileaks_staff_despite_our_editor/d9uoxzw/?context=3
No mention of Wikileaks? Who’s spreading the real disinformation?
“Those who had worked diligently to spread the hoax — and others who had a hard time accepting that it was obviously not true —”
I’m envious of your confidence.
read this intelligently. http://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/
Excellent article…!
Well I wrote out a long post on what I think pizzagate believers believe but I hit enter with no name and lost everything so fuck it.
Some guy in Hawaii was selling “Defective” HDDs under suspicious circumstances with reviews mentioning happy kids. He used the pseudonym Fred Flintstone and that somehow connected him to a Private Sector spy place in Austin TX that was Wikileaked and had strange out of context mentions of Pizza. Podesta’s emails also had strange out of context and downright bizarre uses of food and toy names like Pizza, cheese, hotdogs, beanie babies etc that was a childish code for SOMETHING but probably not a code for children, since the same codewords are often used by idiot teens for weed and rave drugs.
The Private Sector Spies had an email from someone claiming to have been refereed by a name that was also a pseudonym used by a Hillary associate when emailing her server and/or podesta (I can’t remember precisely)
Comet Ping Pong Pizza or whatever had a really weird instagram with barely-censored porn (Censored with Pizzas) and pictures of daytime customers including kids interspersed, also they hosted shock art stuff at night including someone who actually did paint nightmare scenes of rape apparently?
Also something about some lady that Hillary’s emails mentioned being charged with child Kidnapping in Haiti only getting sentenced to “Time Served” and one mention of Haitian pizza in the emails.
Basically those are the scattered data points that they assembled into a very slapdash pattern.
Oh and “Cheese Pizza” was code for CP, Child porn in the early days when 4chan was still having a hard time keeping pedos off the site. (eventually cooperation with the FBI payed off and 4chan is a well known honeypot so people don’t try to post illegal shit there anymore)
“Comet Ping Pong Pizza or whatever had a really weird instagram with barely-censored porn (Censored with Pizzas) and pictures of daytime customers including kids interspersed, also they hosted shock art stuff at night including someone who actually did paint nightmare scenes of rape apparently?”
I think you are trying to spread disinformation.
It was James Alefantis’ instagram pics – I looked at those. There were pictures of children with creepy disturbing comments. The comments included sexual innuendos directed at children.
He needs to be questioned by the FBI.
We can’t wait for the wall to come up. We will just throw this Mackey into the Gulf of Mexico and hope he can swim his way across to the other side.
Creeper. You are the definition of what makes America ugly. No wall will ever get built, get used to it. The majority will always rule in the majorities favor. Stand down soldier.
And this would be Trump’s reply:
“If the press would cover me accurately & honorably, I would have far less reason to “tweet.” Sadly, I don’t know if that will ever happen!”
He should keep on tweeting.
Mr. Mackey,
Thank you again for your article. May I suggest some sort of intelligence quiz or reading comprehension test for those who wish to comment. If you fail a simple quiz you forfeit the right to comment or perhaps one will win a blue flag next to their name that signifies that the comment is basically idiotic, or implies that a moronic troll is commenting. attempting to disrupt basic conversation. It seems these trolls are being paid to disrupt democracy, everywhere. I think the real story are the firms behind the scenes, polling and trolling at the same time. No matter how annoying these trolls are, I am sure that they will be silenced in due time because the ill will they are spreading will only come back to them. As the good book says, evil comes to those who seek it. There is no controlling the crowd once you scream fire in a crowded theater, the one who falsely screams ‘fire’ in malice might just get trampled the same.
There was definitely something creepy about James Alefantis’ instagram pictures and the comments thereon. I am sure the FBI has investigated others for pedophilia on much less prima facie evidence.
The FBI should look into this.
I want to hear Obama and the G20 leaders, the heads of all the intelligence agencies, Hillary Clinton and BOTH her dogs… come out and give a press conference confirming that Pizzagate is not real… or else we will have no choice but to believe it and avenge it…
I also want Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny there as witnesses to notarize the event… God help us.
And this is not journalism. There is a conflict of interest, Mackey is writing about his own acts on twitter or “intervention” as he calls it.
I think the FBI should investigate pizzagate as it is called. Allegations of pedophilia should be investigated. We will all then know if there is any kind of truth to it.
Second, I also want to hear from Julian Assange. Directly.
I’ll have call you tomorrow!
Funny. Mackey didn’t seem to have a problem with spreading disinformation throughout the campaign, so long as it benefited Clinton.
Maybe disinformation would be more difficult to spread if mainstream media outlets, and writers like Mackey, weren’t flaunting their bias and helping to spread pro-establishment falsehoods and half-truths. People are migrating en masse to alternate media sources because they’re so disillusioned with the broken corporate media system, which has lost all credibility, and unfortunately these “fake news” sites are snatching a lot of those audiences up.
To cause confusion about the identity of a child abuser is not done to sway elections. It is done hoping to throw attention to some one else. Thank goodness someone close to Trump knows this. This Flynn guy was really good at throwing attention away from himself, bet he has been doing it for a long time.
Back to Paper Ballots!
But Americans have become way too “Mind Lazy” and don’t have the will or the fortitude to do physical things like counting ballots the “old fashion way!” Thus leaving the realistic opportunity for the election to be rigged by “electronic manipulation!”
Electronic Hackers are “exceedingly awsome” at what they do… and high jacking the tabulation results of election results is “child’s play” to them!
They hack the CIA, DOD, MultiBillion Dollar Corporations, Governments, Countries, Banks and to think they CANNOT hack the security system of election tabulations is TOTALY ASSININE!
They have the capabilites of making a “Jackass” President of the United States… WAIT!… they did make a “Jackass” President of the USA!
And you American Fools “can’t see the forest for the too much TV you not only watch, but have a godlike faith and blind trust in!”
If the TV were to say, “kissing your own ass would add 50 years to your life, 90% of Americans would end up with broken spines and back braces!”
Sad to see what has happened here in the comments section. Hijacked by lunatics, looking more like Breitbart by the day, only with better grammar and punctuation and then there are the fake citations–ironic given the story line.
The gutter punk lefties have squatted long enough on the intercept. I hope you enjoy the change.
Amen.
They came here to whine all over the comment section because they’re still sore over the smakdown Robert Mackey handed them on Twitter.
Mr. Mackey, you pathetic leftist troll, go back to Mother Jones – PLEASE.
Uh, Mother Jones was willing to look into Clinton’s emails. Mackey appears not to be willing to.
Are you aware of the controversy surrounding the case of billionaire Jeffrey Epstein who was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution? An attorney who was actually named as a material witness in the case, Alan Dershowitz, was allowed to negotiate a sweetheart deal for this degenerate billionaire that buried a mountain of evidence relating to the involvement of many other prominent citizens? If this was an isolated case wherein a single wealthy elite managed to use his financial clout to avoid justice then the “common man” would not be so prone to believing that the elites are a constant imminent threat to themselves and their children.
Or, how about Anthony Weiner – whose own intimate connections to the highest levels of political power call into question the moral values of those who are tasked to uphold a universally applicable legal standard that is suppose safeguard the well-being of the average citizen against predation from those in power?
Or, let’s discuss the Franklin Affair wherein credible allegations of sexual predation by a network of political operatives was effectively suppressed by those whose own wealth and political power was used to thwart justice at the expense of countless children.
Or, let’s return to the case of the “Finders” wherein the CIA was directly connected to a kidnapping ring whose child victims were being used as bait for eventual blackmail of prominent citizens and politicians.
Or, let’s revisit the scandal surrounding the sexual exploitation of congressional pages that led to the censure of Rep. Dan Crane (R-IL) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA).
Or, let’s discuss the ongoing use of honey traps by the intelligence community wherein prominent politicians are covertly enticed to participate in sexual behaviors that are secretly recorded. Maybe you ought to read what NSA analyst and whistle blower Mike Tice has to convey concerning the blackmail of prominent policy makers by the intelligence community.
Or, maybe you would like to revisit the fact that the vast majority of pedophilia that was uncovered in an investigation of the Catholic church was traced directly back to its homosexual subculture. And that the majority of sexual abuse cases in general within the Catholic Church could likewise be traced back to that same subculture. Where was the justice here?
Are you beginning to get the picture? The common man understands that many who currently enjoy a privileged status within American society operate in contempt of common decency and morality; and it is the common man who is disproportionately dispossessed of justice by the very class of people who are duty bound to safeguard their well-being. The aforementioned cases are just a small sample of those that inform the collective opinions of the “filthy” underclass to which you refer. This is nothing new. In fact, the Great Gatsby spoke directly to the common perception that power and privilege are intrinsically related to moral turpitude. Is it any wonder then that the average Joe is predisposed to believing that a wealthy gay man would use his business establishment as a front for pedophiliac activities? It was a Wikileaks disclosure of a FBI generated report that fueled speculation that Ping Pong Pizza’s logo was identical to the “Blogo” broadly used by pedophiles as a mean of secretly conveying their sexual preferences to one another. So too, it was a WikiLeaks release of stolen emails belonging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta that revealed an invitation by his brother to a “Spirit Cooking dinner” at the home of artist Marina Abramovic – whose ritualistic use of blood and sperm invites occultist comparisons. And then there was the Wikkileaks released email wherein Cheryl Mills (Hillary’s chief of staff) makes an off hand reference to sacrificing “chickens” to Moloch; a reference that also invites comparisons to the occult activities of America’s elites at Bohemian Grove wherein mock human sacrifices are made to Moloch. Of course, to hear Mackey tell the story, one is left weighing his courageous twitter war in a vacuum.
Karl, that might be Russel Tice and not Mike Tice.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-06-20/nsa-whistleblower-nsa-spying-%E2%80%93-and-blackmailing-%E2%80%93-top-government-officials-an
Yes, Russel Tice was who I meat to reference. Thank you for you correction Seema.
Two quibbles:
First, there is quite a bit of evidence in some of those cases, while others don’t have so much evidence. This case likely falls into the latter. (Further, even if the restaurant owner was a pedophile, there is no evidence that everyone associated with him is.)
Second, some errors in your piece. Gay men are unlikely to molest young girls. Bohemian Grove does not involve sacrifices to Moloch or human sacrifices (I’m relying on the original reports- including from the guy with Alex Jones).
Just because Clinton is corrupt does not mean she or Podesta are evil Satan-worshipping pedophiles- and even if the guy running the place was a pedophile, that does not mean Podesta was. Tarring people by their mere association with sexual scandals means a lot of things get removed. Did you oppose the Iraq War? You’re on the same side as Scott Ritter (Indeed, the MSM used allegations against him to deny public appearances on their shows)! Did you back it? You’re on the same side as Dennis Hastert and Russell Williams !
I can not directly speak to your concern because it lacks focus.
Pedophiles owning businesses that bring them into direct contact with children is a formula for abuse. When those same pedophiles court the politically powerful by holding fundraisers, then the purpose of those associations are necessarily subject to scrutiny.
I never said gay men were likely to molest young girls. Of the roughly 3400 priest initiated sexual abuse cases reported since 1950, 81 percent of sex abuse victims were boys; of them, 78 percent were post-pubescent.
The cremation of care ceremony involves the burning of a child effigy at the feet of a great horned owl that is purportedly representative of the owl of Minerva (an Illuminati symbol). However, there was no tradition of child sacrifice to the owl of Minerva in ancient Greece. The ceremony itself makes self-conscious reference to the the “beauty” that inspires such forms of worship by speaking directly of Babylon (not Greece as one might think). As pagan rites have long been preserved via the adoption of contemporaneous symbols, one is forced to ask: To what ancient tradition does the rite of child sacrifice speak?
Here is Hegel’s treatment of the ancient symbol:
In short, Hegel is claiming that mankind is not innately possessed of a priori knowledge. This belief stands in stark contrast to that of prominent faith-based traditions that align with the neo-Platonic worldview which holds that man is innately possessed of the capacity to intuit certain fundamental truths independent of experience. Thus, if one were to interpret the cremation of care ceremony in a manner consistent with Hegelian interpretation, one might conclude that the ceremony is paying homage to the idea that care can be set aside at will because there is really no such thing as divinely informed (indwelling, ever present, universal) conscience. Although the the purported intention of this ceremony is to encourage visitors to let their hair down during their stay, the long-term philosophical implications of the ceremony are far more revealing. Absent the belief in a certain set of eternal, universal truths, man is left to define for himself that which is right or wrong. In an environment wherein one is told that anything goes (the Grove), the potential for debauched behavior goes up exponentially.
Apropos of the forgoing, one might better understand why the sacrifice of a child effigy to a Pagan god is deemed essential to conveying the suspension of care. The sacrifice of one’s own INNOCENT child to ones God has been traditionally understood to be the ultimate act of faith (see: Genisis 22) even within Judeo-Christian culture. In fact, the name of Moloch is directly referenced in a number of old testament passages. The Hebraic affinity for child sacrifice can be traced further back to to their ancestral home of Babylon wherein the worship of Moloch predated the God of Moses. Sacrificing INNOCENT children to Moloch was meant to please and appease him in a way that would confer good fortune on those who worshiped him. So, too, the sacrifice of cows during that same period was intended to absolve one of ones sins (aka sin cow sacrifice). In fourth century BC Canaan, children and cows were sacrificed together with the intention of absolving sin and appeasing Moloch (see: Canaanite Moloch). Thus the ritual cremation of a child effigy is meant to suggest that the sins of the past year have been forgiven along with the abiding assurance that no form of behavior is eternally damnable. The morally abhorrent act of symbolically sacrificing an INNOCENT child to Moloch with the intention of washing away the sins of the past is nothing more than a perverse form of aversion therapy in that the net result is the diminution of the very faculty (conscience) that is meant to comprehend and preserve the Sacred.
Again, I never claimed this. You really ought to learn to read for comprehension. I was speaking to the mindset of the common man that predisposes him to a certain PERCEPTION of reality. It is what fuels that shared perception to which I spoke.
So here are a few more things we do know. We know that Bill Clinton has taken dozens of international flights on a plane colloquially known as the “Lolita Express” with Jeffrey Epstein, a man who spent 13 months in jail after being convicted of soliciting a 13-year-old prostitute. We know that Hillary Clinton’s staff knew that Anthony Weiner was sexting underage girls all the way back in 2011 — and covered it up. Guess whose laptop revealed evidence that Hillary Clinton went on flights on Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express” along with Bill? That’s right: Anthony Weiner’s.
Whoever is responsible for the ridiculous headline should be fired. And Mackey, your momma made a mistake in bed on a Saturday night.
Yes, the pizzagate story is false, but that does not mean that the insider scum who ran the Clinton campaign are any less depraved or damnable. They fixed the primary vote, and their acolytes in the MSM attempted to fix the general vote. All the while, the privileged Podestas and their ilk exhibited utter contempt for common American values.
PizzaGate came from the Podesta emails from Wikileaks. There are many disturbing aspects to the case. There seems to have been an app of some sort. Does anybody know about anything it?
https://youtu.be/OE293TiW1ZQ
BTW, Has anyone heard from Julian Assange lately?
That document reeks of hoax. The Unz article you link to below, on the other hand, raises many, many valid questions. And while many of the Pizzagaters are fanatical ignoramuses with sub-ape-level intelligence, I don’t dismiss this story out of hand. I don’t believe it, per se, but it’s almost too strange for fiction – just the sort of over-the-top behavior you’d expect from the arrogant sociopaths who man the upper echelons of political power but also laughably easy for them to brush off their shoulders as “conspiracy theory”…like pizza crumbs.
So how many puppets are you running -Mona-?
I count at least three today.
Omoo/Ondy has never left.
Just another unhinged lefty article written by Mackey what’s new?
The Pizzagate tale is so bizarre. According to the true believers, children are being locked in cages in underground tunnels so they can be sexually abused and sacrificed occasionally to Satan. They also think Hillary Clinton and John Podesta are the ringleaders, and the reason the Washington D.C. police won’t investigate it is because they are ‘in’ on it. And they say if you don’t believe this story and make fun of people who do, that is because you are evil and “mind-controlled.”
I would be genuinely shocked if you or anyone else could persuade the true believers that this story is false. The faculties for critical and reality-based thinking simply aren’t there. They’ve gone beyond the point of no-return. Sad.
Here is another take on the subject.
http://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/
That… Wow, that’s actually pretty chilling.
Really? In what way is this different from the usual it would be irresponsible not to speculate crapola?
This is interesting to me mostly in that it starts off with some seemingly might be legitimate claims then about half way through devolves in to emotional appeal and pure speculation.
Saying things like “this guy likes this artist and LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR HORRIBLE WORK” well.. Art’s beauty and impact is in the eye of the beholder and that’s a very slippery slope towards jailing people whose tastes you don’t agree with, censorship, and the death of free speech. If that bronze statue is what was linked that, to me, is tasteless, but doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist just because I didn’t like it.
To be fair, I had never heard of pizza gate before the guy with the assault rifle was in the news yesterday.
The problem with screaming PEDOPHILE!!! Is that it literally only takes an accusation to ruin someone’s life and people are completely entirely irrational when trying to deal with it. People who want to manipulate opinion and destroy reputations know this, and the least scrupulous use it as a weapon.
Keep up this garbage journalism and Trump might actually get a second term. Get over the fact that he is YOUR president now. GET OVER IT! The same old tired crap that people are tired of…….If they don’t see things the way that you do, they are stupid, racist or ill informed. This is like journalism written by a child.
It seems most likely that the Democratic Party establishment started this particular bizarre canard, cynically manipulating the gullible alt-right into pursuing a more sensational but manifestly less consequential story than the truly shocking “pay-for-play” connotations of the emails.
I don’t think the Democratic establishment is that smart.
It isn’t smart. As can be seen, it’s stupid and dangerous. Mostly it depends on the alt-right being dumb.
Were you really expecting something different? I mean, with going to Twitter and all? This will not end well at all, except for the fools like Alex Jones and that other nitwit you Twitted with.
Guess you can’t listen anymore to William Binney, Seymour Hersh, Noam Chomsky, Richard Stallman,…. Some of them have appeared as guests on Alex Jones’s show more than once, even in studio.
rms? Really?
They were so afraid of Assange after the Podesta e-mails were dispersed that his internet was pulled, he was placed under house arrest, there were attempts to persuade the U.K. gov’t to sever diplomatic relations with his host so the premises could be stormed.
There’s a patriot who rots in Leavenworth now like Spook in the Wizard of Id, because he wasted information, released by Assange, on an unappreciative progressive left.
You’re making a common mistake today: Confusing Democrats and their Party operatives with the “progressive left.”
Are you saying that Hillary endorser Bernie Sanders isn’t progressive left?
That Donna Brazile isn’t? That Barack Hussein Obama, darling of the progressive left, isn’t?
As compared to their Republican opponents, Clinton and Obama are viewed as the lesser of two evils by the progressive left. We think both establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans (including Trump) are controlled by the 1% and corporate America.
Yes that must be why the 1% and corporate America spent almost $2 billion, since the moment Trump announced early last year, to sink his campaign.
ultra, get a clue:
“He’s an outsider, he’s not them, he’s not part of the club, he’s uncontrollable, he hasn’t been through the initiation rites, he didn’t belong to the secret society. They have no idea how to relate to him.”
-Newt Gingrich, speaking about Trump on Fox News
No, Trump and the Clintons are long-time friends; they are both plutocrats, they attend many of the same elitist events, they are both advised by many of the same groups of people. The election battle was nothing more than a faction fight.
The person you’re trying tot talk sense to has a few wires permanently crossed and will not listen.
Pease look at the reality of who he is tapping to run our country. Spend some time on it. Then read what you just posted. Please.
Ms. Brazile and Pres. Obama are not “darlings of the progressive left.” The are “center-right” as a function of their economic worldview and their ‘politics’ generally, they are barely “center-left” as a function of cultural issues, and the majority of the Democratic party caucus doesn’t take a strong stand until a majority of the public is ahead of them of them on the issue.
Bernie Sanders by contrast is “progressive” to the extent FDR and Eisenhower were and understood the MIC together with rich capitalist oligarchs (not of the barely redistributive economic bent) are the enemy of “democracy” and/or “representative government” and a viable stable “middle calss”. In fact, they are anathema to all three.
Bernie Sanders is a FRD “democrat” who has some blindspots re: a number of issues, but understands well enough that a “domestic demand based economy” that has a bipartisan and ever shrinking ability to provide the necessary “demand” (and of the “virtuous circle” kind of “demand” that has the chance of sustaining a “middle class”) will collapse. And then you are going to have serious problems maintaining any sense of “predictability” and “order” elites think is necessary to maintain their little gravy train off the backs of all the globe’s non-union at will wage and hour plebes.
“FDR democrat” . . . damn typos.
Yes, the same mistake that mid-century observers made of the National (as in NPR) Socialist Workers Party with the “progressive left.” Progressives, who’d shown up en masse at their doorstoop before Nuremburg, were just as quick to clear up any confusion.
If A, then B.
It’s absolutely dumbfounding how a nation so immersed in useless, contradictory, slanderous, fabricated, stupid, misinformation should extract the most bizarre and silly explanations to determine what must be true.
Climate change is a Chinese hoax.
The sitting president of the United States and his Secretary of State founded ISIS, a terrorist organization.
Reprisal killings will solve terrorism.
Torture works.
Muslims want to impose Sharia law on the US.
Bernie Sanders supporters incited fist fights at Trump rallies.
The Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated Washington.
Hillary Clinton is responsible for Trump’s election.
The US intends to round up and deport 11 million people.
FBI employees have no political agenda.
Donald Trump isn’t a bigot.
Truly, these nonsensical beliefs sound more fit for a surrealist’s fantasy — a Dali painting — than “news.” Yet these gibbering imbeciles defend their core beliefs with insults and accusations and deeper conspiracies to explain the surface conspiracies, never once reflecting upon their own core certainties.
If a child sex ring is operating out of a pizzeria, then obviously their advertisements must be a secret code.
If A, then B.
If trees cause pollution, then car exhaust prevents it.
If a black guy becomes president, the system must be rigged.
If Trump wins, then the system can’t be rigged.
Welcome to Bedlam.
And another thing. I watched Clinton Watts http://www.fpri.org/contributor/clint-watts/ on C-SPAN this morning. The topic: Russia’s contribution to fake news. You must know a bit about FRPI to appreciate his/the slant. He was back w/the same anti-RT propaganda that Mr Greenwald mentioned – and on which I pushed back because I watch Hedges and Hartmann (mostly) and their world coverage is more thorough than what we get here. I am aware of the controversy – but you can’t lump it all together.
He was blaming Russia + WikiLeaks + and fake WikiLeaks stories. When confronted about what we did to sway elections (fomenting chaos, death, coups) and propaganda overseas, he basically stated we never did anything violent. WTF? Read your history, dude. He also completely skipped over the fact that our mostly DC Bureau reporters, as I recently mentioned, were willing to spread propaganda at home.
They want perpetual war. They want perpetual conflict. They want DoD contracts. They want more money and power.
I AM CONFUSED.
I am torn between defending a press that is crucial to our democracy and hating a press who has failed us so damned miserably that it’s hard not to be furious. But I separate television from online and print. I separate the Nets from cable, and I separate the three mostly idiotic cable channels from the others like some PBS and affiliate shows – the foreign news, and my favorite C-SPANS – all of them.
But THIS is a concerted effort to make sure that nobody believes the press when Trump doesn’t like the coverage, which is bound to be often. He seems to lie daily, so out of one side of his mouth, he praised the Very Great NYT and trashes the Very Dishonest Press out of the other side of his mouth. Our press, our democracy, and our freedoms are dependent on good, smart, and tenaciously investigative people paying attention, digging deeply, and keeping us well informed. I mentioned a crawl or a box of lies. Call it out quickly and move on. Cover the big news in detail. While WaPo, the NYT and others are still figuring out how to cover Trump, they are losing precious time.
It’s a game of being there – and present – and first impressions.
Too many people are too ignorant or willfully ignorant to care to see the story behind the initial bullshit story – a la Carrier.
Dammit to hell.
Bob Mackey has pointless food fight with dangerous morons on Twitter. TI publishes it in the form of an unreadable litany of tweets.
News
at 11when there is news. (We can hope.)She had pneumonia. Straight up. Chronic, clonic-tonic seizure, 1- day “pneumonia.”
Thank you Mr. Mackey for bringing up the issue of mental illness in the U.S.
There are soooooooo many deranged, unstable, and unhinged individuals in the U.S. that are willing to believe anything and everything is a conspiracy, that it seems you cannot have a rational conversation with 2 out of 10. They want to believe every bad thing is somehow a conspiracy -at the drop of a hat and (in the case of your story) at the drop of an unsupported accusation.
You are right. The event of Donald Drumpf commandeering the electoral college was due to ignorance and wildly delusional conjecture of (pick all that you feel apply): 1) white supremacists; 2) zenophobia; 3) fear mongering: 4) unsupported rhetoric; 5) those with an inferiority complex; 6) or just the garden variety mentally ill; 7) (feel free to add your own).
Unfortunately the unhinged have now got one of their own (by hook or crook) elected to the highest elected office in the nation. I cringe to think of the consequences for the nation in the next 4 years, aside from the possibility of the U.S. being the new pariah state.
With so much blatant mental illness parading out in the open, one has to ask themselves: is there something in the water?
Well, you learned the hard way, Mr. Mackey, one can not accomplish anything when talking to people who are either irrational or purposefully egging others on with their bullshit. Ever hear this? “Don’t feed the trolls!”
You should have known better. Just read the comments HERE! Especially Mr. Greenwald’s. They are so full of troll-shit — and rational people still think they can win an argument with them!
It is impossible to have a meaningful dialog with someone not interested in meaningful dialog! Trolls etc. are either irrational or are laughing at all the people who respond to them!
I, for one, just do not understand why seemingly rational, intelligent journalists DON’T GET THIS!
Mackey wrote: “…poses an obvious challenge for professional journalists, whose careers are dedicated to the premise that facts matter.”
Where do these altruistic journalists exist? One place they do not exist is among the corporate media.
Mackey presents an article here that should really be in the National Inquire alongside headlines like “An Alien Mated with Mother Theresa that Has Brought Forth the Anti-Christ”.
Every time Mackey portrays Hillary as the innocent victim of evil Trump he perpetuates the lesser of two evil ploy, which has enabled the masses to be kept in a state of oppression. Mackey actually offers his own brand of: “Disinformation …And It Is Not Stopping.”
You got that right. And Mr Mackey is entitled to his bias, which is well known. We are entitled to call him out on it.
Campaign manager Mook blamed Comey and something else. I blame the Dem Establishment and I blame the neoliberal Mrs Clinton.
Now what?
When are Democrats going to accept that they deserved to lose the election? All that scheming and manipulation of debates and primaries, media strong-arming, and just plain lying to the public about policy created bad karma. Face it, Democrats went with the wrong candidate.
Be grateful, at least now the world knows they are dealing with evil and can react appropriately, no more pretending that hope and change is coming or that there are any progressive intentions whatsoever.
You left out what happened before the debates, primaries, and the election.
Still think it’s something akin to how badly they delivered the message or how bad the message was? Check again.
You left out Carter and the Saudis, the New Dems, centrist WJC, moving toward Wall St, forgetting the Unions, “welfare reform”, ignoring the oppressed, the middle class, and the poor. The forty years of one war or skirmish or invasion after another – for Corporation’s sake. Cutting full time workers to contract work at the same hours without benefits, to the wonderful “sharing economy” of today. How Mr Clinton began privatizing the military – w/mercenaries, to promoting the managerial and entrepreneur class. HRC promoting women’s right to have a bank account. Kissing Wall Street’s butts.
The Dems chose to battle with Progressive Keith Ellison. The establishment Dem party has few, if any, progressive ideals.
I am exhausted.
“Darker corners of the web” ? A random Google search for Podesta after one of the latest Wikileaks data dumps led me to this freaking story… a month and a half ago. It was referenced on page one !
And indeed, one of the links was infowars.com. I went to watch the “exclusive” video they’d posted about the “scandal” and it took me exactly five seconds to realize Jones and the guy next to him were bullshitting their audience even more than usual : their faked indignation and cheap theatrics were so obvious any Actors Studio teacher would have expelled them on the spot.
Asking why so many people fell for it still once again implies analyzing the effects of mainstream-media brainwashing and of the failed education system of the past decades, for which Satan-Drumpf only bears a minor responsibility. And of course that’s where Mackey-the-mainstream-crusader draws the line. Worse yet : he has the nerve to call a CNN “journalist” to the rescue, knowing, as recent events demonstrated, only they can produce impartial investigative journalism, in other words that they would never resort to disinformation…
As if to add to the ridiculousness of the situation in a country in which all kinds of minorities must be fearing for their lives like never before, the Robert finds nothing better to do than warn against a “PizzaGate conspiracy theory [that] is threatening to spiral into further violence”…
We know you’re desperate about your madonna’s big fail, Mackey, but this is really getting quite pathetic : no, the PizzaGate was not the conclusive argument that pushed a majority of voters (minus 2.5 million) over the edge.
Try to relax a little, take a Lexomil (TM) or two if necessary, and please stop bothering us with such silly topics.
In the meantime, here’s some Macaulay Kulkin & The Pizza Underground for your edification : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmgq81Ww7K4
This is what happens to a nation fed intentionally by pap, when education is intentionally underfunded, why the southern states never thrived even though they get more Fed money than they have ever put it, why Indigenous People’s lots in life never improved much, why African American men/women are killed as if their lives don’t matter, why newsrooms became profit-making entities, like entertainment, why people are convinced that health insurance is bad for them, why dismantling Dodd-Frank regs inspire cheers, and (among many other things) why people in power continue to serve us up drivel instead of teaching us what we need to know. Short-sighted thinking has got to catch up sooner or later. We die younger, we have more infant mortality, we aren’t growing taller anymore, and our graduation rates sink – ETC. ETC. The short-term profits that sacrifice long-term gains are why our economy and our people do not grow and thrive more; too many people who could contribute, are never given the education or a chance to contribute. People are so ignorant, they don’t know with whom they should be angry (at corporations hiring, not refugees or other immigrants trying to create a better life). I keep thinking people are going to be really pissed when they find out. I am not so sure, except that I think the next revolution will have to be taken more seriously, because the people are going to be four-years more pissed.
Mr. Mackay’s article convinces me there must be something to the story of Pizzagate. If it was just disinformation, why would Mr. Mackay spend so much time debunking it?
It reminds me of how his election coverage, by focusing on the shortcomings of candidate Trump, convinced me there must be something more to Mr. Trump than meets the eye.
I must compliment Mr. Mackay for being such a master of persuasion; he is truly a secret weapon in the Republican’s arsenal.
Please allow me to voice my agreement by saying that you’re spreading an obvious falsehood.
You gotta problem wit dat?
No, Trump is exactly what he appears to be – an ignorant, loud-mouthed slob. And Pizzagate is as nonsensical as it appears to be – yet another symptom of the mass hysteria that has engulfed the land of Wingnuttia.
“why would Mr. Mackay spend so much time debunking it?”
Mackey didn’t do that. He spent a lot of time ‘retweeting’ his eSkirmishes.
Obviously (to me, anyhow), folks of all stripes are in witch hunt mode. Unfortunately, the media making accusations against other than itselves (NYT and Wapo, this means you) has played fast and loose with the truth all too often, undercutting there being any faithful to the truth, rather than contending for control and power through disinformation.
This is worth reading for background on how in a wasteland of misinformation, conspiracies then don’t seem necessarily outlandish. (Obviously, there really are some conspiracies, else there would not be laws against conspiracy, which there are.)
http://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/
ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I really hope this is all a hoax. For the first time I want the chorus of voices about “fake news” to be right.
Such a shocker how the MSM aren’t investigating every “Baby Jeebus’ face appeared on my toast” crackpot claim. Total coverup!
Notice how conspiratists with too much time on their hands and a penchant to connect pizza/Illuminati/’Satanism’/New World Order/Bohemian Grove/Pedophilia have already misappropriated the fake news meme: now it’s only they who are ‘grassroots investigative citizen journalists’!
This country is collectively losing its marbles.
Hey, Mr. Mackey and everyone –
Good stuff, but you’re still only getting at part of it. Check out the recent articles at The Guardian about how the alt-right is manipulating google search results.
WHY is anyone buying into their filth?
Are you aware of the controversy surrounding the case of Jeffrey Epstein who was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution? Someone who was actually named as a material witness to the case, Alan Dershowitz, was allowed to negotiate a sweetheart deal for this degenerate billionaire that buried a mountain of evidence relating to the involvement of many other prominent citizens? If this was an isolated case wherein a single wealthy elite managed to use his financial clout to avoid justice then the “common man” would not be so prone to believing that the elites are a constant imminent threat to themselves and their children.
Or, how about Anthony Weiner – whose own intimate connections to the highest levels of political power call into question the moral values of those who are tasked to uphold a universally applicable legal standard that is suppose safeguard the well-being of the average citizen against predation from those in power?
Or, let’s discuss the Franklin Affair wherein credible allegations of sexual predation by a network of political operatives was effectively suppressed by those whose own wealth and political power was used to thwart justice at the expense of countless children.
Or, let’s return to the case of the “Finders” wherein the CIA was directly connected to a kidnapping ring whose child victims were being used as bait for eventual blackmail of prominent citizens and politicians.
Or, let’s revisit the scandal surrounding the sexual exploitation of congressional pages that led to the censure of Rep. Dan Crane (R-IL) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA).
Or, let’s discuss the ongoing use of honey traps by the intelligence community wherein prominent politicians are covertly enticed to participate in sexual behaviors that are secretly recorded. Maybe you ought to read what NSA analyst and whistle blower Mike Tice has to convey concerning the blackmail of prominent policy makers by the intelligence community.
Or, maybe you would like to revisit the fact that the vast majority of pedophilia that was uncovered in an investigation of the Catholic church was traced directly back to its homosexual subculture. And that the majority of sexual abuse cases in general within the Catholic Church could likewise be traced back to that same subculture. Where was the justice here?
Are you beginning to get the picture? The common man understands that many who currently enjoy a privileged status within American society operate in contempt of common decency and morality; and it is the common man who is disproportionately dispossessed of justice by the very class of people who are duty bound to safeguard their well-being. The aforementioned cases are just a small sample of those that inform the collective opinions of the “filthy” underclass to which you refer. This is nothing new. In fact, the Great Gatsby spoke directly to the common perception that power and privilege are intrinsically related to moral turpitude. Is it any wonder then that the average Joe is predisposed to believing that a wealthy gay man would use his business establishment as a front for pedophiliac activities? It was a Wikileaks disclosure of a FBI generated report that fueled speculation that Ping Pong Pizza’s logo was identical to the “Blogo” broadly used by pedophiles as a mean of secretly conveying their sexual preferences to one another. So too, it was a WikiLeaks release of stolen emails belonging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta that revealed an invitation by his brother to a “Spirit Cooking dinner” at the home of artist Marina Abramovic – whose ritualistic use of blood and sperm invites occultist comparisons. And then there was the Wikkileaks released email wherein Cheryl Mills (Hillary’s chief of staff) makes an off hand reference to sacrificing “chickens” to Moloch; a reference that also invites comparisons to the occult activities of America’s elites at Bohemian Grove wherein mock human sacrifices are made to Moloch. Of course, to hear Mackey tell the story, one is left weighing his courageous twitter war in a vacuum.
Pizzagate is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, but I wouldn’t mind hearing Mackey’s thoughts on Epstein.
Various elements of Pizzagate are a matter of concern to me. I found Comet’s use of the Blogo rather disturbing – and the fact that they felet compelled to change it moths before this controversy erupted is rather curious. The online activity that is attributed to Comet’s gay owner is also a matter of concern.
@Karl –
Go peddle this stuff elsewhere. I’m not buying it.
Actually, Hillary got Trump elected. If you’re referring to the Wikileaks emails as “disinformation,” note that none of the hacked parties deny that the emails are theirs, including and especially John Podesta.
The reason “Pizzagate” is such a popular subject is that the evidence, such as James Alefantis’s tweets, is compelling. To say that there’s “no evidence” simply isn’t true. If you’re claiming that the emails and tweets, etc., are disinformation, prove it. That’s what journalists do, isn’t it?
Anyone else struck by the irony of someone who makes Mr Bean seem like someone who thinks things through deciding to ‘investigate’ something? Though given that America also produced the juror who insisted that a cop emptying his gun into the back of an unarmed man was justified, where a boy can be locked up for over a year because he ‘might’ resemble someone who stole a backpack (not the one he was wearing, nor any of the ones he could be linked to) and elevated the whole ‘we have no evidence for our accusations, and every investigation shows you innocent, but we’re going to treat you as guilty anyway ‘ routine into standard foreign policy, well, you might say that what he did is as American as apple pie (I’d have gone with ‘Chicago deep dish pizza’, but wouldn’t want to accuse Americans of wanting to have sex with immature ponies, if I have the codes right)
The codes are from the FBI’s Cyber Division: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_pedophile_symbols
Seems Slate fell for this FBI disinformation too–back in 2007! Playing the long game….:http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hot_document/features/2007/the_pedophiles_secret_code/_2.html
Who’s disinformed now?
Many of these individuals propagating this stuff on Twitter and who frequent sites such as Infowars cannot be saved. Their prerogative is to believe whatever confirms their predetermined bias and never question anything else. It’s easier to see everything as a conspiracy because then you can make up your own “facts”!
In the past, these people would be marginalized and ignored. It’s amazing how Twitter can amplify the voice of such malcontents.
Must say, though, I grudgingly credit Trump for kicking Flynn’s dipshit son off the Transition team. But then again, he shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
inforwars – glad you mentioned a site that isnt pushing the wallstreet thieves wmd media fraud that pushed lies that gets americans murdered by thieves looking for middle east conflict.
America doesnt need wallstreet thieves and lying mainstream media that gets americans murdered in war fraud such as happened 8 JUNE 1967
Yes, you recently read about the USS Liberty and want to discuss it…
No thanks
no sale
wallstreet WMD bs looking to keep Americans transfixed on msm lies for their wars and cons and schemes.
NO SALE.
hasta la vista, baby!
When you know that virtually every syllable uttered by the govt or their patsy MSM is a lie, people gravitate to those news outlets that confirm what they see with their own eyes.
The govt tries to hide things and it is obvious. Rather than countering suspicion with facts, their propaganda arm MSM just call names, conspiracy theorist.
Well, I say you’re a government mole trying to lure me and my fellow TI comrades into a group so you can run a false-flag sting operation on us. Not gonna work “Special Agent W0X0F.” You are just another gov’t patsy and virtually every syllable you type is a lie.
My evidence you say!? I’m an Infowars Super Member and a senior Breitbart forum moderator, so I know a bureaucratic, MSM-fuels hack when I read one.
Caught me!
This is an outcome of the Wikileaks “pristine” “leaks”
Let’s at least use consistent language. This radical Christian terrorist was inspired by Trump, and swore allegiance to altQright.
And that means (to apply consistent standards of response) that the police should be tasked with monitoring all churches, and sending informant/agitators into the radical ones so we can arrest radical Christian terrorists before they can open fire.
And if that doesn’t work, we’ll have to start ‘extreme vetting’ of people coming from countries troubled by these terrorists (most of Europe) and maintaining a registry of Christians.
Have you ever ordered a pizza? Think carefully before you answer; If you say “no” you’re likely a liar, everyone’s ordered a pizza, and if you lie about fast food you’d certainly lie about a child sex ring. If you say yes you must have used a known code word to order up some marinara orgy or extra cheese little girl and must be a pedophile; Who else would order such a thing?
Please answer honestly and forthrightly so as not to muddy the water when we move on to the question of whether you’ve beaten your spouse today.
I know. It’s crazy. When I’m in the mood for some molestation, I order “an extra large pepperoni and mushrooms with a side of nubile sex slaves…and gimme some of those breadstick things with the dipping sauce.”
Well, at least you didn’t order the anchovies (necrophilia).
Thats funny rejecting the idea that there is not Code. When i heard from CNN all year that Trump was speaking in Code and Dog whistles to his followers. Idk if there is or isnt sex ring, but its funny now how people thing a coded language is unconscionable are the ones who over played it for the past year.
You’ve completely debunked this entire conspiracy without presenting a single Wikileaks email from John Podesta’s account, which were clearly not about ‘ordering pizza’ or a single picture from Comet Pizza’s Instagram, which are absolutely disgusting. Brilliant!
Instead you’ve used exactly the same line of attack every media outlet has used which is to focus on Comet Ping Pong to distract from the larger story and to conclude it must be because the owner was David Brock’s gay lover. Very suspicious!
When the evidence is presented in its entirety it is overwhelming, damning and absolutely horrifying. Decide for yourself: https://youtu.be/Z4OP–ZXOjc
BREAKING NEWS: Mackey instigates childish fights with children on Twitter. More to come…
The children on Breitbarf respond in such a childish manner.
Meh. Never heard of it.