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In January 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.
This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”
Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss, as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry, and damaging those behaviors might be.
The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There is a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combating those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.
But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.
Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?
All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts, and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.
For months, the CIA, with unprecedented clarity, overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and sought to defeat Donald Trump. In August, former acting CIA Director Michael Morell announced his endorsement of Clinton in the New York Times and claimed that “Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.” The CIA and NSA director under George W. Bush, Gen. Michael Hayden, also endorsed Clinton and went to the Washington Post to warn, in the week before the election, that “Donald Trump really does sound a lot like Vladimir Putin,” adding that Trump is “the useful fool, some naif, manipulated by Moscow, secretly held in contempt, but whose blind support is happily accepted and exploited.”
It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it. Clinton clearly wanted a harder line than Obama took against the CIA’s long-standing foes in Moscow, while Trump wanted improved relations and greater cooperation. In general, Clinton defended and intended to extend the decadeslong international military order on which the CIA and Pentagon’s preeminence depends, while Trump — through a still-uncertain mix of instability and extremist conviction — posed a threat to it.
Whatever one’s views are on those debates, it is the democratic framework — the presidential election, the confirmation process, congressional leaders, judicial proceedings, citizen activism and protest, civil disobedience — that should determine how they are resolved. All of those policy disputes were debated out in the open; the public heard them; and Trump won. Nobody should crave the rule of Deep State overlords.
Yet craving Deep State rule is exactly what prominent Democratic operatives and media figures are doing. Any doubt about that is now dispelled. Just last week, Chuck Schumer issued a warning to Trump, telling Rachel Maddow that Trump was being “really dumb” by challenging the unelected intelligence community because of all the ways they possess to destroy those who dare to stand up to them:
Chuck Schumer on Trump's tweet hitting intel community: "He's being really dumb to do this." https://t.co/MOcU8ruOPK
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 4, 2017
And last night, many Democrats openly embraced and celebrated what was, so plainly, an attempt by the Deep State to sabotage an elected official who had defied it: ironically, its own form of blackmail.
Back in October, a political operative and former employee of the British intelligence agency MI6 was being paid by Democrats to dig up dirt on Trump (before that, he was paid by anti-Trump Republicans). He tried to convince countless media outlets to publish a long memo he had written filled with explosive accusations about Trump’s treason, business corruption, and sexual escapades, with the overarching theme that Trump was in servitude to Moscow because they were blackmailing and bribing him.
Despite how many had it, no media outlets published it. That was because these were anonymous claims unaccompanied by any evidence at all, and even in this more permissive new media environment, nobody was willing to be journalistically associated with it. As the New York Times’ Executive Editor Dean Baquet put it last night, he would not publish these “totally unsubstantiated” allegations because “we, like others, investigated the allegations and haven’t corroborated them, and we felt we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by.”
The closest this operative got to success was convincing Mother Jones’s David Corn to publish an October 31 article reporting that “a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country” claims that “he provided the [FBI] with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump.”
But because this was just an anonymous claim unaccompanied by any evidence or any specifics (which Corn withheld), it made very little impact. All of that changed yesterday. Why?
What changed was the intelligence community’s resolution to cause this all to become public and to be viewed as credible. In December, John McCain provided a copy of this report to the FBI and demanded they take it seriously.
At some point last week, the chiefs of the intelligence agencies decided to declare that this ex-British intelligence operative was “credible” enough that his allegations warranted briefing both Trump and Obama about them, thus stamping some sort of vague, indirect, and deniable official approval on these accusations. Someone — by all appearances, numerous officials — then went to CNN to tell the network they had done this, causing CNN to go on air and, in the gravest of tones, announce the “Breaking News” that “the nation’s top intelligence officials” briefed Obama and Trump that Russia had compiled information that “compromised President-elect Trump.”
CNN refused to specify what these allegations were on the ground that it could not “verify” them. But with this document in the hands of multiple media outlets, it was only a matter of time — a small amount of time — before someone would step up and publish the whole thing. BuzzFeed quickly obliged, airing all of the unvetted, anonymous claims about Trump.
Its editor-in-chief, Ben Smith, published a memo explaining that decision, saying that — although there was “serious reason to doubt the allegations” — BuzzFeed in general “errs on the side of publication” and “Americans can make up their own minds about the allegations.” Publishing this document predictably produced massive traffic (and thus profit) for the site, with millions of people viewing the article and presumably reading the “dossier.”
One can certainly object to BuzzFeed’s decision and, as the New York Times noted this morning, many journalists are doing so. It’s almost impossible to imagine a scenario where it’s justifiable for a news outlet to publish a totally anonymous, unverified, unvetted document filled with scurrilous and inflammatory allegations about which its own editor-in-chief says there “is serious reason to doubt the allegations,” on the ground that they want to leave it to the public to decide whether to believe it.
But even if one believes there is no such case where that is justified, yesterday’s circumstances presented the most compelling scenario possible for doing this. Once CNN strongly hinted at these allegations, it left it to the public imagination to conjure up the dirt Russia allegedly had to blackmail and control Trump. By publishing these accusations, BuzzFeed ended that speculation. More importantly, it allowed everyone to see how dubious this document is, one the CIA and CNN had elevated into some sort of grave national security threat.
Almost immediately after it was published, the farcical nature of the “dossier” manifested. Not only was its author anonymous, but he was paid by Democrats (and, before that, by Trump’s GOP adversaries) to dig up dirt on Trump. Worse, he himself cited no evidence of any kind but instead relied on a string of other anonymous people in Russia he claims told him these things. Worse still, the document was filled with amateur errors.
While many of the claims are inherently unverified, some can be confirmed. One such claim — that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen secretly traveled to Prague in August to meet with Russian officials — was strongly denied by Cohen, who insisted he had never been to Prague in his life (Prague is the same place that foreign intelligence officials claimed, in 2001, was the site of a nonexistent meeting between Iraqi officials and 9/11 hijackers, which contributed to 70 percent of Americans believing, as late as the fall of 2003, that Saddam personally planned the 9/11 attack). This morning, the Wall Street Journal reported that “the FBI has found no evidence that [Cohen] traveled to the Czech Republic.”
None of this stopped Democratic operatives and prominent media figures from treating these totally unverified and unvetted allegations as grave revelations. From Vox’s Zack Beauchamp:
Good god pic.twitter.com/BiGqkiobA1
— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) January 10, 2017
Look, don't take anything in this dossier as gospel. But it's definitely evidence in favor of some pretty extraordinary claims.
— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) January 10, 2017
BuzzFeed’s Borzou Daragahi posted a long series of tweets discussing the profound consequences of these revelations, only occasionally remembering to insert the rather important journalistic caveat “if true” in his meditations:
Whoa ????. So guessing the press conference tomorrow is off. https://t.co/e4iNrNKgrh pic.twitter.com/VEa44PeICe
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2017
Stunning and believable narrative in leaked docs describing alleged rift in Kremlin over meddling in US elections https://t.co/e4iNrNKgrh pic.twitter.com/qY2TuSM5Fc
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2017
According to raw intel file, Kremlin info ops regarded Trump, @DrJillStein, LaRouche and @GenFlynn all potential assets in war vs Clinton pic.twitter.com/3fxTcqUIUL
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2017
Bombshell if true: Trump lawyer @MichaelCohen212 & Kremlin reps allegedly held clandestine August meeting in Prague https://t.co/e4iNrO1RiP pic.twitter.com/7FBZjJyXMq
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) January 11, 2017
Meanwhile, liberal commentator Rebecca Solnit declared this to be a “smoking gun” that proves Trump’s “treason,” while Daily Kos’s Markos Moulitsas sounded the same theme:
With CNN confirming that intelligence chiefs consider this report credible, it's about time to start using the word "treason"
— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) January 11, 2017
While some Democrats sounded notes of caution — party loyalist Josh Marshall commendably urged: “I would say in reviewing raw, extremely raw ‘intel,’ people shld retain their skepticism even if they rightly think Trump is the worst” — the overwhelming reaction was the same as all the other instances where the CIA and its allies released unverified claims about Trump and Russia: instant embrace of the evidence-free assertions as Truth, combined with proclamations that they demonstrated Trump’s status as a traitor (with anyone expressing skepticism designated a Kremlin agent or stooge).
There is a real danger here that this maneuver could harshly backfire, to the great benefit of Trump and to the great detriment of those who want to oppose him. If any of the significant claims in this “dossier” turn out to be provably false — such as Cohen’s trip to Prague — many people will conclude, with Trump’s encouragement, that large media outlets (CNN and BuzzFeed) and anti-Trump factions inside the government (CIA) are deploying “Fake News” to destroy him. In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing.
Beyond that, the threat posed by submitting ourselves to the CIA and empowering it to reign supreme outside of the democratic process is — as Eisenhower warned — an even more severe danger. The threat of being ruled by unaccountable and unelected entities is self-evident and grave. That’s especially true when the entity behind which so many are rallying is one with a long and deliberate history of lying, propaganda, war crimes, torture, and the worst atrocities imaginable.
All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible. As my colleague Sam Biddle argued last week after disclosure of the farcical intelligence community report on Russian hacking — one that even Putin’s foes mocked as a bad joke — the utter lack of evidence for these allegations means “we need an independent, resolute inquiry.” But until then, assertions that are unaccompanied by evidence and disseminated anonymously should be treated with the utmost skepticism — not lavished with convenience-driven gullibility.
Most important of all, the legitimate and effective tactics for opposing Trump are being utterly drowned by these irrational, desperate, ad hoc crusades that have no cogent strategy and make his opponents appear increasingly devoid of reason and gravity. Right now, Trump’s opponents are behaving as media critic Adam Johnson described: as ideological jellyfish, floating around aimlessly and lost, desperately latching on to whatever barge randomly passes by.
There are solutions to Trump. They involve reasoned strategizing and patient focus on issues people actually care about. Whatever those solutions are, venerating the intelligence community, begging for its intervention, and equating its dark and dirty assertions as Truth are most certainly not among them. Doing that cannot possibly achieve any good and is already doing much harm.
It is hard to bother with much of this rubbish,but a No Fly Zone in Syria is not the massive expansion of a proxy war in Syria, and the corollary of the argument is that it is OK for mass bomber, torturer and rapist, Bashar al-Assad, to continue to commit crimes without impediment, while we engage in a fake news discourse that his enemies are all Muslim extremists backed by a neoliberal cabal, because that would be to adopt the discourse of the far-right.
Characterizing the Dem’s loss in the presidential election as ‘a systemic collapse of their party,’ seems to me a tad extreme. They screwed up in three swing states and lost by ~100,000 votes, total, in the electoral college. They trounced Trump in the popular vote. How does this qualify as a systemic collapse?
There’s nothing to rebuild the party on except the systemic collapse. Any effort to stick to the story that there is or was not a systemic collapse of the party is not constructive and is delusional in my opinion.
Greenwald states that the FBI and America’s clandestine services are engaged in ‘open’ warfare. In this case we might define ‘open’ as ‘out in the public for all to view.’ This doesn’t appear to be the case. It’s happening behind closed doors and between anonymous sources, which is the opposite of open. We want to have confidence in Greenwald because we believe he is a man of integrity but, see, this mischaracterization now causes us to begin to question all of the characterizations in his story. Is it wrong to read this with an open mind but a critical eye?
Greenwald states that the FBI and America’s clandestine services are engaged in ‘open’ warfare. In this case we might define ‘open’ as ‘out in the public for all to view.’ This isn’t the case. The conflict seems to be happening behind closed doors and between anonymous sources, which is the opposite of open. We want to have confidence in Greenwald because we believe he is a man of integrity. But, see, this mischaracterization of open versus closed now causes us to begin questioning all of the characterizations in his story. Are we wrong for reading this with an open mind but a critical eye?
Crypto nazis don’t like it when you call them nazis. They take great efforts conceal that fact.
Sometimes they just are not sneaky enough to avoid notice.
Putin is the ultimate “Red” Herring.
Lots of people are throwing around the word ‘treason,’ while virtually nobody (Intercept included) is clarifying how wrong the usage is.
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Despite what the Clintonistas think, the last time I checked, Russia wasn’t our enemy.
Indubitably. But hey, “Working on it.”
Careful Trump – The CIA likely has plans to do you the same way they did JFK. GREENWALD / SNOWDEN 2020
@ Lynn
How naive are you to be taking anything the MSM says seriously with regards to Trump and Russia? It seems their Red Scare tactics have worked their magic on you.
Glenn, you lost me after the second paragraph. When you utilize a fake poll from CNN to try to make a point that Trump is “already widely disliked” — in the SAME paragraph where you discuss how the “fake news” narrative has been created to de-legitimize Trump, you lose credibility. Come on, now. You’re better than that.
“we need an independent, resolute inquiry.”
In a bygone era, that was a legitimate description of journalism…
First it was the recounts. They revealed more votes for Trump and voter fraud in Detroit by Dems. Then there were the attempts to corrupt the electoral college, including multiple death threats. That failed as well. After that, they tried this fake news BS, and still no cigar. Now, they want to try to illegally disrupt the inauguration. The CDC should officially declare an epidemic of Trump Derangement Syndrome. The proggie snowflakes are pathetic!
However, this Deep State involvement is truly disturbing.
It was reported on major media news last summer that Russians admitted having been in continuous communications with Trump and his team throughout the election campaign. Why does this fact not join in the current conversation about if or how much Russia influenced the elections? with Russians admitting it outright and publicly, it seems clear it happened …. no dirty business, a clear honest admission ….
Major media news? Like CNN & Buzzfeed? Really?
A “fact” is not a fact until it is fully vetted and verified.
great article and thank you for being a real investigative journalist – what really gets me though is the republicans are just as bad as the democrats – the deep state rules both – how – why trump – whats the real story here – Assange said in his interview with John Pilger that trump would not win – would nto be allowed to – by who – why choose trump whose never been in congress or a politician – whats the real story – to me this is all just another game of thrones – people are still the pawns – but its interesting enough to get a bigger bucket of popcorn – glad I don’t live there :-)
The Dems lost not only the Presidency, but the House, the Senate, Statehouses, and Governorships, and there was no Ruski email about the last four, so this whole “Russia ate my homework” ploy is pure BS to divert attention from their miserable failure due to being the Second Corporate Party (as just shown by their darling, Cory Booker.)
This reminds me in a certain way of the Tonkin Gulf resolution. The task now is to deligitimize Trump. While I voted for Clinton, I am not hysterical about the threat to American Dominance that a greatly weaken Russia Militarily and static Economically since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Russians are a major supplier of oil and Gas to the West. While regionally aggressive and having a less than perfect democracy, more so than the United States they are closer to being an ally with similar interests to ours. In contrast, the growth of the Chinese economy to a size in purchasing power 1/7 larger than the U.S. and starting to dominate in international banking with institutions such as the Asian infrastructure is of much more concern. One of the reasons the Chinese grew so fast is that unlike Germany, American companies such as Apple, outsourced production to China letting the Chinese develop advanced manufacturing skills at the expense of the U.S. The U.S. military now buys essential military hardware from China and the Chinese are the first to second largest holder of U.S. bond. The cheaper labor costs the Chinese supplied meant short to intermediate gains in profitability to the outsourcing companies. Of course this depressed American ability to pay for these goods leading to an excess of debt and weakened international prospects. China now produces mag-lev trains like Japan whereas American infrastructure is stuck in the 20th Century at best. Given the Chinese are growing in excess of 5% a year and our growth rate is 2% over the long haul, Chinese dominance is increasing rapidly. China’s economic dominance is not even discussed or rebutted because of American corruption: The top .1% benefit short term by this outsourcing. In the end, with the lack of concern for the mass of its citizens , which is characteristic of a social-democracy like Germany we will descend to the level of corruption of Brazil, if we have not gotten there already. These issues which are much more serious that this Russian distraction is not even discussed in “serious” circles.
serious circles probably see a return to feudalism as the only “sustainable” future
My Opinion on video about the CIA is they are a bunch of criminals and thugs.
I just made a video about the crimes of CIA over 100 years. https://www.facebook.com/amidyousef/videos/10154822521518444/
I am very worried in some form or another the CIA will rear its criminal head again
and manage to evade extradition to SYRIA to be tried for war crimes just committed in our homeland SYRIA!
All in my opinion… see other episodes at my personal website
While Mr. Greenwald is correct to mention the lack of substantiation in Christopher Steele’s dossier accompanying the secret Russian hacking report shared with Trump and Obama, his vociferous and kneejerk damning of the Democratic party in this article is without substantiation, especially given the fact that Mr. Greenwald reports that Senator McCain leaked the document. The fact that some reporters and commentators discussed the contents of the memo in a way that risked violating standards of journalistic integrity is an indictment against individual reporters and commentators, not a political party. The Dems are reeling from an election disaster and by and large they’ve managed to limit their accusations and allegations to things supported by relevant and material evidence, unlike the alt-right and Republicans like Duncan Hunter who specialize in dressing up irrelevant and immaterial evidence in smoking gun outfits to fool uncritical thinkers into believing their claims. There may be more to the dossier that the IC omitted from the appendix to the secret report out legitimate fear that the sources would go dark and evidence would be destroyed in Russia if it were identified. The entire “unsubstantiated” story may be an intentional ruse to buy time for the IC to follow up on leads provided directly to the IC by Steele. And if the salacious claims were so unsubstantiated why did Trump rush to defend himself and waste time and credibility burning bridges with the IC, which did Trump a favor by sharing with him claims made by an ex spy to the Democratic party so he could add that info to the likes of info about the Dems he obtained from the Russians. Trump usually is quite content to make unsubstantiated claims in his tweets, so his extraordinary defensiveness in the face of the dossier smacks of guilt.
That is demonstrably false. All that Greenwlad writes about Democrats is either supported or so generally well-known as to not require it.
That’s reality inverted. The Democrats have gone insane, approaching Trumpian levels of irrationality and divorce from fact-based beliefs. See Greenwald on Democracy Now! last week, where he said in part:
And it’s not just Greenwald deeply alarmed by the Democratic Party’s extensive flight from reason. Journalists with special expertise in Russia, such as Matt Taibbi, are also very concerned.
Greenwald is too sure of himself here. Sure, the Dems took it on the chin in November, 2016. But they did make gains in the Senate and got nearly 3 million more votes out for Hillary. These are not signs of an historic collapse or a”landslide” as Trump and Pence keep repeating in the media. Citing a few bloggers and Democracy Now! (A small media operation) as indisputable evidence of the majority of members of the Democratic party concocting some rediculous and unsubstantiated reason for losing the election is a shaky way of convincing someone of your point of view. The sour grapes here are based on allegations of improper and illegal manipulation of the wider election process by insiders (e.g., Comey) and foreign intermeddling (e.g., DNC hacks). Most of us Dems are with Obama in ceding power to election winners, but when the incoming leader shows contempt for the process (e.g., his tweet before the election that the electoral college is a “disaster” and his refusal to continue complaining about it when it was the only thing that allowed him to win), right thinking Americans of all parties begin to complain. If Dems turn out to be the majority of these complainers, that’s more evidence of Dems being admirable patriots than anything else.
” 3 million more votes out for Hillary”
Lol, from where? 3 coastal states with high density populations… When the swell becomes big enough, it will push those democrat cesspools into the ocean and we will be liberated from their fake rage tyranny.
Hope I live to see the day…
Well put. This is exactly what the Russians want.
Excellent article!
And to the commenter below me(why can’t I respond to any comments here?): You think GG supports Trump because he doesn’t support the murderous Clinton cabal and the awful Deep state that was to use her lack of morals for their bidding?
That’s cute.
If you dare even question the Red Scare narrative in Dem circles now, you are a Putin Stooge. I’ve been a Yellow Dog Dem all my life, but since I’m addicted to reason and truth, I’m accused of getting weekly checks from the Kremlin, signed by Putin himself ;)
I agree there needs to be a system of “Support/non-support” for the comments section. Good comments will rise while dingy mud-slinging will fall off the edge. One can read through in real time or as posted, but for the stories with 1800+ comments a way to sort them would be nice.
180 of these–a full 10% of the comments–are -Mona- either starting a comment or -Mona- replying to a comment.
Maybe the -Mona- filter needs to be changed.
They’re working on acquiring some quality control for the comments. Scroll past pests such as Communete, and substantive, informative posts are found throughout this long thread. One of mine here. There are others from a variety of contributors.
Seriously, Glenn? At this point, I’m starting to think you’re a Trump supporter.
What? So if he calls fake news “Fake News”, he is a Trump supporter. Dude, until recently, I was a liberal. I totally understand why only 30% in 2016 trusted the mainstream media. That number is going down.
I give credit to Glenn and Julian Assange for shining a spotlight on Bush and Obama.
Glen, My understanding is that Trump got less votes than Mitt Romney at the last US election. Clinton got far fewer votes than Obama. It is pretty clear both candidates failed to get support but the proven cheating of the Hillary camp against Sanders turned off many voters who stayed home rather than supporting a corrupt candidate. This is despite the same non voters despising Trump. Democrats are now losing more support because of the clear attempts by the Deep State and undemocratic Democrats to get rid of Trump on very obvious and idiotic fabricated information.
If the Democrats want to survive they need a clean out of the self serving space wasters who have abandoned the Party’s principles and supporters. The time is now opportune to get some new young and honest candidates rather than rerunning geriatrics who have for too long relied on the largess provided as corporate bribery. Imagine a young honest candidate like Tulsi Gabbard taking on Trump. She is both intelligent and thoughtful towards the American people and prepared to tell the truth to the people. The revived Democrats will need address inequality and to wind back the Deep State and empower and listen to their supporters if they want a future. Not just soft soap them at election time.
Gary Younge has been on fire recently: How Barack Obama paved the way for Donald Trump
158 comments by Mona. Over 8% of the thread. She’s under par on this one.
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And that’s just her replies alone. The 158 (now 159) figure doesn’t include her originating posts on this page.
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Britain has long — since Tony Blair, at least — wanted to become the 51st state. California, on the other hand, would love (and I support it) to secede from the rest of the US; surely nobody doubts it would fit well in, and strengthen, the EU.
So, why not just do a quick Brexit and Calexit, and switch Unions?
I’m not exactly sure what to make of you. On many issues you’re entirely reasonable, even insightful. Multiple of your earlier comments caused me to think otherwise. [shrug]
Weeeell, perhaps because many of my earlier comments were critical of GG. Could that have anything to do with it, you think?
The criticisms spewed to and about him are frequently idiotic. From several directions, right and left, as well as center. At times I’ve criticized parts of his article, as well as his handling of promises about improvements in this comments section, but the broad-brush stuff is virtually always bullshit.
I’ve said before that I admire GG. However, I do think that particularly in his prevous article abt truth and the NYT, but also in this one, though to a lesser extent, he has gone a bit too far in finding evidence for his conclusions, putting them on shaky grounds.
I also said that his track record as a reporter/commenter of the news is long and solid, so it can withstand an occassional error of overextension in his claims.
In any case, my criticisms are meant to be constructive. In addition, I mostly share the points of view that are expressed in this site, though perhaps I take a more moderate approach to some than is the rule here.
PS. It’s getting to the point that I can barely post a comment on this page. The longer it gets, the worse it is.
We’ve been carping and righteously whining about the shitty commenting software since the outset in ’14, and repeatedly promised great things are coming any minute now. Hasn’t happened yet.
The Intercept keeps telling me “Something went wrong” as I refresh the page, which is pretty funny as so many tech experts work here. It’s a bit off-putting, though. Perhaps I’m commenting too much.
All day I’ve been getting the “something went wrong” message, which has happened before. And yes, that, and the cheapskate commenting software, is ironic for a site that employs such powerhouse tech staff. It should be embarrassing.
At the risk of repeating myself, sometimes a pop-up box mysteriously appears telling me “you’ve already said that”!
@ Mona
wrt the Taibbi
>”I’m far more scared of our own soaring Idiocracy factor than I am of Russia.”
A. It’s a low down crying shame the Intercept couldn’t work things out with the Taibbi … cab fare ffs!(?) and B. I’m far more concerned about the raving lunatics on the TV than the “Deep State” and Putin put together … but I repeat myself./
Agrees, I think Taibbi is…prickly. He had serious conflict with some of his staff, not just the issue with cab fare.
It’s your page Mona. You do something about it.
Glenn dealing with a dimwitted BBC journalist, on the subjects of: Trump, Russia, the CIA, Wikileaks and the emails.
“Deep State” is nervous about Trump
Because he is not stable. That’s the word used, and concern expressed, by a member of the UK’s Israeli embassy staff, caught on video by an under-cover reporter. The same embassy staffer who was organizing the destruction of UK politicians, as discussed (with a link to the documentary) in my post below.
You’ve expressed that same neurosis yourself. If the NYT, or the NY Daily News, or MSNBC, or CNN says something about Trump, then that’s the establishment line you’re comfortable with. Because you want GGs site accepted as establishment.
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He is showing every indication that he will be a ‘good dog’ for the establishment, in my opinion, regardless of how unpredictable he has appeared in the campaign. He is doing all the MIC wants, all Wall Street wants, all Israel wants, and then some. AIPAC loves him, as does Goldman Sachs, and all the arms manufacturers.
“He” being Donald Deep State Trump. He’s as much establishment as Clinton, for fuck’s sake, and is bending over backwards to show it, despite the media circus.
Trump is not remotely as establishment as Clinton. His opposition to the TPP alone makes that clear. Moreover, he’s entirely lacking in the polish and sophistication, as well as predictability, the establishment craves.
His opposition to the TPP is at the moment just words, and Clinton said much the same, but I’m glad he’s sticking to it so far. Any other anti-establishment behavior by Trump? No.
Weeeell, perhaps because many of my earlier comments were critical of GG. Could that have anything to do with it, you think?
OOOOPS! Another misplaced comment; this one was intended for Mona, above.
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His position on immigration runs counter to the establishment. Wall Street has always flirted with open borders because of the cheap workforce. (Which is why unions must include immigrants.)
Again, Trump is not stable; he’s unpredictable. That makes Deep State nervous. As the embassy staffer revealed, he’s not seen as reliably one of them.
Obama has deported more people than any other president, and I think the establishment expects Trump to tone down his nonsense to be somewhat roughly equivalent to that, or perhaps to use him to stretch the envelope that much further. And I see Trump behaving with notable good behavior toward the actual powers that be, regardless of how much bluster he puts on for show.
As I said, Big Banks love him, arms sellers love him, the military loves him, the Republican Congress are ready to support him and the Democrats are rolling over to allow his cabinet with hardly any fuss. And did you see the response he got from AIPAC?
Donald Trump AIPAC Full Speech
He was very popular with that crowd; there were certainly no signs they thought he was remotely ‘unstable.’
Maisie, the GOP establishment clearly saw him as unstable and an utter horror, all throughout the primaries. It’s preposterous to state otherwise. Glenn made that same (true) observation at many times.
That you think Trump will not do this or that doesn’t change how he’s perceived — and why — by establishment operatives and politicians. You can even argue Shai Masot (the Israeli embassy staffer) is wrong, but you can’t reasonably argue he does not believe Trump is unstable.
I’m saying that now the Deep State obviously want him as president he is being an overtly good dog for them, despite the residual and useful theater of his (false) reputation as an outsider trying to shake things up. I’m sure lots of individuals (and most non-GOP voters) think he’s unstable, just as many reactionaries in and out of power really think Obama is a Muslim socialist (!) at heart, but the Powers That Be and the right-wing generally (which, let’s face it is most politicians, behind the charade) seem pretty confident that Trump (like Obama) will not be rocking their corrupt boat to any great extent.
I don’t find all this harrumphing very convincing. Trump is now the face of the system.
Absolutely true, but that merely shows Obama isn’t pleasing to Wall Street on that issue, not that Trump also is not. Because the Wall Street Journal is so heavily paywalled I can’t link to them, but their editorials and coverage of Obama’s deportation policy is reported to be very critical.
I’m going to leave it here. I want to say thanks for all the in-depth discussions here, not just to you but to Doug and the whole lot of regulars. My new lover is more than a little concerned that I spend so much of my sparse free time here, plus I’ve got academic projects I need to work on that are going to need all my attention now. I was going to quit posting at the inauguration, but it looks like I’m going to be taking my leave before then, probably with this post (my darling seems happy about this).
It’s been a ride, Mona. Take good care of yourself, and keep at the bastards for me.
obama talks about deportations like a graduate seminar in cross-cultural social equilibria; trump talks about deportations like deportations
He’s doing some of what the MIC wants. He’s not gung-ho for war with Russia or even the fear of it. He talks about an international coalition to destroy ISIS, which necessarily means less weapons bought by the USA to fight them since others will be too. Of course some of them will use MIC contractors but not all (e.g. Russia will not).
Plus of course this is how he is before the inauguration, before he can fire whoever in the intelligence community might be a threat to him. Diplomacy is the art of saying “Nice doggy” while reaching for a rock.
Being an American these days is a source of embarrassment.
“Yes We Can” sounds clumsy and left field and ‘what the-‘ and ‘where did that come from’ because, reversed, it’s actually more clear; it phonetically translates in backward to “Thank you Satan”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvqHoLqgdBo
It’s a spell on America. Just one form of the ways globalists who manage Obama (and W before him) are expressing their objective.
I’ve heard of people playing Beatles’ records backwards, and this is similarly ridiculous.
Back at the Guardian, he also endorsed the “sex kitten” conspiracy. Initially, I found this all rather entertaining. But a constant flood of it, not so much.
“Sex kitten” is your words. You’ve already lost credibility with your readers downthread.
Reply.
Brennan: Trump needs to toe the intelligence comunity’s line and get tough on Russia, else the US as we know it will come to an end.
Bet the Donald will be beaten into submission before he takes the oath of office.
Meanwhile, Ash Carter, on Charlie Rose, offered some novel advice to the new administration on how to deal with these vexing foreign threats that we face:
The way to stop the Russian threat is with forceful US deterrence; the Chinese threat, deterrence; the North Koreans, deterrence; the Iranians, deterrence.
Carter didnt seem to think that perhaps it’s the US that’s in urgent need of being deterred.
Trump is already indicating to the Deep State that he’s willing to get with the program in such “deterrence”:
Navy, Trump planning biggest fleet expansion since Cold War
And in the case of Iran, it could well be more than deterrence Trump and his advisors (and evidently the Deep State, who now apparently think it’ll be an easier run than regime-change in Syria – which is being postponed, I guess) have in mind, as the military authoritarians in place in the cabinet are eager to agree with Israel that Iran should be messed with.
Yeah, Trump is more than a bit inconsistent in his foreign policy inclinations, being dovish on Russia but hawkish on China. Perhaps the Deep State strategy is to encourage his hawkish side to flourish while pressuring him hard to put sharp beaks and talons on his doves. My prediction — hope I’m wrong — is that he will CAVE.
The Iran angle is tricky, because it could lead to serious a confrontation between the superpowers.
As long as Iran is not proceeding with its nuclear program, it’s exceedingly difficult to come w/ a legal excuse to attack it. So if a US/Israel coalition tried to do so it may bring in the Russians who would see its influence seriously weakened in the area, as without strong Iranian support Syria (meaning its current regime) would then again be in jeopardy. and Russia would be hard put to do anything about it.
Interesting points. Trump has given no signs recently that he wishes to interfere with NATO’s intimidating encroachment on Russia, nor with Obama’s several wars, dirty and otherwise, nor with the ‘pivot’ to Asia, nor drone strikes etc., and that he appears with his military cabinet selections to want to now put Iran in the gunsight (as you say, this will take some propaganda, but if Trump’s supporters won’t argue and the Democrats continue to just lay down on the job – Obama’s just given him MORE executive power!) is indeed an indication that Trump has already begun to “cave” to corporate and other interests comprising the Deep State, if he ever was opposed to them. I’ve always been skeptical that he was an outsider, but what better way to get the job done for the Deep State than pretend that he is one…
Obama was similarly portrayed as an outsider, and he simply made the entrenchment of corruption even worse, even setting the tone for unauthorized wars, further unconstitutional invasions and even targeting U.S citizens for death without due process. And now Trump has these powers, and the only pushback he’s getting is about whether someone pissed on a prostitute for his amusement or whether Russia sent an email to WikiLeaks.
I suspect Obama was forced to cave in as well. Now, I absolutely abhor conspiracy theories on the grounds that they’re often in the eye of the beholder, so I have to say “suspect” as opposed to “think” or “believe” because it’s obviously speculation on my part.
But he came in talking abt resets, offering hands and unclenching fists, then went on to pusue a farily aggresive policies leading to the Ukraine fiasco, the nurturing (if not birthing) the Syrian civil war, etc, etc.
So how does one explain this change of heart? Russian aggression? Nyet, since the Russian moves followed the US’s, which came first.
Bill Hicks said each president is shown “the film”:
Bill Hicks • Mr. President, any questions?
It isn’t that hard to threaten someone, or their family, if you have the kind of power the elite do.
It’s fascinating to me that all the “infowars” types (one of whom put up that video) are now convinced Trump is anti-establishment, and that the general election win was legitimate – even though the hackable-voting-machine reality was indeed just as factual before the election as afterward (something Jill Stein tried to demonstrate, only to find that the establishment – even Democratic States – crushed her requests). Just because Trump won, all the conspiracies are forgotten, and his cowardly submission to Israel utterly ignored, and all signs of his being a Deep State puppet dismissed. Indeed, the infowars people are laughably somewhat in agreement with Greenwald (!) insofar as saying the Deep State is “out to get him,” and they go further and say the system wants to stop the inauguration! As if!! Seems to me the establishment loves the guy, not merely for his controversial image being a media draw but also because he’s a great disguise for making their puppety corporatist-militarist use of him look like ‘rebellion,’ for Christ’s sake.
The problem with America is tribalism, which the establishment manipulates easily. Each tribe will believe anything as long as it serves their cause, then will be hypocritical about it whenever convenient.
Personally I don’t think Obama or Trump needed much convincing to toe the line – I reckon they’re both
weasels and have always been so. But things like “the film” or “we have proof of your embarrassing sexual life” or “nice gamily ya got there – too bad if something was to happen” will certainly keep the pressure on.
Fie on you, spellcheck! In the last sentence ‘gamily’ should be ‘family,’ obviously.
Since I’ve made another post out of the correction anyway, I’ll put up my (latest) favorite music video just to share some joy in these dark times:
Alizee (4 mins)
I’m not sure I’d go as far as suggesting the Deep State uses actual life-threats to person or family to compel submission. I think it would be very difficult to keep such a secret, so it would have come to light by now.
On the other hand… can it be totally, completely and utterly ruled out? It’s difficult to go that far, too.
“Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!”
Obama’s fate was sealed when chose HRC as Secretary of State.
Izzat just because she was a Deep State mole that burrowed close to Obama tasked to do the job of polluting and subverting his innocent and therefore vulnerable mind?
Or is there some insidious and/or nefarious reason why that’s the case?
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threats from a resurgent Russia and saber rattling China”?????
It is NATO including the USA which is surrounding Russia with nuclear missiles and the USA has heavily increased its defensive missiles in breach of agreements with Russia. China has been receiving threatening noises from the USA which has a barrage of military bases built close to China as well as US and Australian warships prowling up and down the Chinese coast. Yes China has built islands to host missiles but these are anti missile missiles to create an Israeli like missile shield to protect China against the 400 US military bases encircling China . China has built these islands to protect its citizens and resources off the coast rather than on land where the fallout would cause more harm. I think most of us who are allies of the USA are sick of this bullying and see the USA as the greatest threat to mankind.
All this talk of Communete and “Brother Nathaniel” piqued my curiosity, weirdly enough, but I must say I can’t quite understand how Brother Nathaniel’s “work” fits in with Communete’s evident adoration of Donald Trump.
This Nathaniel guy absolutely hates Jews, from what I can gather, and like many anti-Semites has some valid things to say about institutional Israel’s manic violence and disgusting belief-system as manifest in Netanyahu’s right-wing. Brother Nathaniel is UTTERLY opposed to Donald Trump’s obsequious catering to AIPAC – and has some on-point, extremely strong criticisms of Trump’s military agenda and subservience to Israel’s agenda (please note that as I said, truly accurate and insightful information not covered by the media is here mixed with pepperings of evident vitriol and prejudice):
Trump’s ‘Mad Dog’ Military Policy
So, as I said, Communete’s apparently unconditional support of Trump flies straight in the face of this, and seems entirely incongruous.
And here’s the oddball Nathaniel arguing vehemently against Trump’s grovelling before AIPAC with regard to moving the American Embassy to Jerusalem:
Don’t Move The Embassy Mr Trump!
If anyone can explain how support of Trump and “fuck you” to AIPAC go together, I’d appreciate it, as Trump is obviously in love with and in thrall to Israel, as this weirdo points out.
I guess I’ve been spelling the guy’s name wrong: It’s “Nathaneal” But I doubt he’s reading this, so what the hell.
Antisemites on the lunatic fringe, such as Communete or this Nathanael freak, live in their own universes where their various positions do not need to constitute a coherent platform. This Nathanael thinks, e.g., that Obama, Jews and assorted others are plotting to make people gay. These are not minds interested in, or even capable of, logical consistency. (Why would Jews or Obama even care to do this, if it could even be done?)
We’ve had fiercely pro-Trump commenters here who are deeply antisemitic as well as anti-Zionist. One of them, dahoit, “explained” that Trump “has to” say and do some of the pro-Israel things he does, so that he can do the right things eventually. This minsaet cannot be reasoned with.
This Nathaneal guy has some legitimate concerns with the Israel/Deep State/Trump agenda confluence, in my opinion. I didn’t watch any of his videos about gays or anything else (and with my being bisexual I’m sure he’d hate me) – but the criticism of the military lunacy and Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is on point, and from the list of vids he’s got up on his channel his major points are far more on this sort of line than anything else, which is why I can’t understand Communete’s fondness for him Is it just the gay-hating thing Communete likes, and he ignores the rest (that would be hard to do, from the looks of things!)?
Maisie, the bottom line is it was once easy to keep pro-Palestinians marginalized by focusing on sickos like Nathanael — that is not the mindset that assists us. the Palestinians’ cause is no longer bereft of many smart, sophisticated outlets and spokespeople.
We not only do not need the Nathanaels of this world, they must be shunned. Bigots should be given no quarter.
I think you’re missing my point. I’ve expressed all necessary reservations and caveats about the guy, and I’m not trying to use him for the Palestinian cause. I’m pointing out that support for Trump is entirely incongruous with opposition to Israel’s agenda whether from legitimate or tainted sources. And this can’t simply be dismissed, as this ties in very strongly with what is to my mind a wrong notion that Trump is a ‘rebel’ to the Deep State. Indeed, Trump is more and more resembling a cleverly-disguised Trojan horse for the establishment’s realization of its most horrendous goals.
Interesting. Explain why you believe that. Especially in light of the fact that deep state corporate media pulled out all the stops in attempting to delegitimize him and still are.
It’s just his money, right?
1). THE DEEP STATE’S GOALS ARE CONTINUED CORPORATISM, MILITARISM AND IMPERIALISM. It uses the theater of “opposing” major Parties to further these goals.
2). DONALD TRUMP’S CABINET SELECTIONS OF TYPICAL ESTABLISHMENT FIGURES AND MILITARY AUTHORITARIANS DO NOTHING TO INTERFERE WITH THESE DEEP STATE AIMS. Indeed, these picks indicate willing subservience to Big Energy, Big Banks and the military-industrial complex.
Trump has shown no real signs of decreasing Obama’s obscene levels of warmongering; in fact there are strong signs that Trump is in favor of attacking Iran as well as continuing all ongoing assaults. Also, Trump wants to expand the war-machine, showing that even his touted de-escalation of tension with Russia is but a façade (see supplemental comment below). Nor does Trump want to de-militarize the police or the security state which Obama has entrenched. Renowned Libertarian Ron Paul from 11.00 to 13.00 minutes in this clip reveals his profound misgivings about Trump’s obviously Deep State warmongering and anti-civil-libertarian cabinet picks.
3). THE GENERAL ELECTION WAS RIGGED IN TRUMP’S FAVOR BY THE DEEP STATE. Hillary Clinton was quite obviously going to win if the election was legitimate, but her doubling-down on the ill-advised no-fly zone in Syria alarmed the Powers That Be that in this important regard she was a loose cannon. Jill Stein attempted to show the rigging, not because Stein preferred Clinton but to show that Americans do not in fact live in a democracy at all – however, her attempt was humiliatingly crushed by the establishment.
4). THE DEEP STATE IS ADAMANTLY PRO-ZIONIST. This isn’t because of loyal, religious or apocalyptic reasons, but merely because the Middle East outpost of Israel is essential for the imperialist Deep State’s assertion of Full Spectrum Dominance across the globe. Donald Trump has signalled utter capitulation to this strategic motif.
So it is, then, that Trump is no real threat to the Deep State, and the Deep State knows it – regardless of the theater and intrigue being presented by the establishment. This latest exertion on the shadow government’s behalf is simply a reminder to him to know his place – something he has already indicated he will do, in no uncertain terms.
Supplemental comment:
Navy, Trump planning biggest fleet expansion since Cold War
The two phenomena are unrelated. Nathanael and supporters like Communete, or overt antisemities like dahoit, are not capable of reasoned analysis. They not only connect dots that have no relationship to one another, they manufacture them. Any support — or lack thereof — this cohort offers to Donald Trump demonstrates nothing about the Deep State.
By contrast, the intelligence agencies and other constituent parts to what can reasonably be identified as the “Deep State,” are generally quite rational. When they promote falsehoods, that is done wittingly. They are not unhinged; they are venal and immoral. They wouldn’t be caught dead ranting about Satan, Jews trying to make us all gay, or anything else manifestly absurd. They’re too polished and sophisticated for such errors.
Well, the infowars crowd are unfortunately adopting any arguments of ‘establishment’ rejection of Trump for their own preposterous purposes, similar to Obama’s administration calling al Qaeda offshoots “rebels” (to make people think of Star Wars or something), so I find the overlay of unintentional or unwitting promotion of this idea that Trump is really an outsider quite troublesome.
But yes, Trump’s supporters, particularly these types, don’t appear to give a damn whether they make sense or not, any more than Obama’s or Clinton’s fanatics do.
This is recent, for the Democratic establishment beginning to “think” and spew as feverishly as the Infowars cohort. They seem to have let emotion trump (ahem) their capacity to reason as a result of Trump’s election. That’s why many of us find it so frightening. I’ll repeat what Matt Taibbi tweeted:
Having the moves and shakers of both major parties abandon themselves to unreason does not bode well for the culture or country.
It’s just tribalism (which the Deep State manipulates as theater to ensure a united country doesn’t align to defeat the 1%), and both sides have been doing it at least as long as I’ve been alive (over two decades).
Glenn himself points out what hypocrites the Democrats were once he started criticizing Obama; suddenly hating him although they’d loved him going after Bush and Cheney.
psst, hey Maisie. i don’t hate gays (but these Warren supporters do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THz8RlkrQPQ ( and rJIUxBMXyQQ))
It’s occurred to you Mona is trying to mislead and obfuscate and create straw comments because i’m not reciting leftist corporate media orthodoxy on Mona’s Glenn Greenwald site? no?
No, I can’t say it’s ever occurred to me that Mona would think Greenwald and corporate media orthodoxy are at all similar, or that she would be so strangely and peculiarly petty as to dismiss you for non-conformism (though it’s certainly obvious she finds you obnoxious and wants you to go away); nor does what you’ve linked to explain how you can support Trump’s subservience to Israel when you claim he is independent of establishment influences.
But I’m glad you don’t hate gays.
For me to dismiss someone on the basis of non-conformity would be like a nun dismissing advocates of chastity.
And Trump’s selection of military lunatics like Mad Dog Mattis and Flynn, who have a complete hate on for Iran, could never be dismissed as just Trump having only rhetorical support for Israel’s wishes.
But maybe as you seem to imply, Trump supporters are just not thinking it through, just relieved that they “won” and can rub Democrats’ noses in the dirt.
This is some serious malarkey, though, and may reveal the Deep State’s agenda (they love Israel for its contribution to their Full Spectrum Dominance, after all) now – and that’s extremely troubling. Iran would not be a walk in the park, and Trump doesn’t seem keen on undoing all the crap Obama is already doing, either.
Remember, to get the support of the rabid antisemites all he has to do is be less pro-Israel than Hillary. So only prepared to sacrifice his _second_ born to appease them. So the desperate and deluded grab any indication that a potential President won’t sell them down the river for a few Jewish votes and donations.
That said Trump doesn’t seem to be on board with the “Kill everything that isn’t Israel between Turkey, Indian and Sudan” plan. That seemed to be designed to benefit Israel (well certainly it didn’t benefit anyone else).
“and like many anti-Semites has some valid things to say about institutional Israel’s manic violence and disgusting belief-system as manifest in Netanyahu’s right-wing.”
I resemble that comment.
Okay, I wasn’t going to presume.
Israeli espionage to “take down” elected officials of Western governments
An undercover journalist has exposed conspiracies to destroy various British officials and political activists at the direction of the Israeli government. In this 4-part documentary, multiple Israeli embassy staff and others are revealed in their machinations to falsely claim non-compliant Labour or Conservative Party officials are “antisemites.” With the explicit goal of “taking them out.”
Conversations these Israeli and British operatives didn’t know were being recorded, show that prominent Labour Party members accused of antisemitic commentary — and subjected to formal investigation — did not say what they stand accused of. These operatives believe that Zionist Jews are entitled — in the words of one — to “safe spaces,” from any political views or questions that make them “uncomfortable.”
Amazingly, AIPAC is involved in much of this — including with money — with the goal of making the UK government as Israel-compliant as the United States.
What remains to be done, is a similar expose on the Israel Lobby’s purchase and control of U.S. politicians. Among the strategies adopted in the UK are front companies, supposedly private businesses run by Israel to oppose pro-Palestinian activists. This, and worse, is almost certainly also occurring here in America.
Imagine if we had such evidence of Russian interference in the American political process. It would be handled by both parties — and their supporting media — quite differently than this hysteria we are seeing over Russia.
“Amazingly, AIPAC is involved in much of this — including with money — with the goal of making the UK government as Israel-compliant as the United States.”
funny how just a few million people are always meddling, influencing even, foreign governments of countries with 100s of million citizens.
AIPAC, AEI, CFR, etc.
Zionists. Zionists are meddling. Jews are among those criticizing and exposing them.
“…multiple Israeli embassy staff and others are revealed in their machinations to falsely claim non-compliant Labour or Conservative Party officials are “antisemites.”
Well, of course, that’s just everyday modus operandi, xcpt that in the US there’s no particular need for embassy staff to get involved, as pro-Israel zealots are a dime a dozen and willing to take up the fight against any criticism of Israel at any time.
It’s hard to forget what happened 10 yrs ago when Jimmy Carter came out w/ his book critical of Israel policies that he felt put the country on the path to apartheid and (maybe more to the point) some time later professors Mearsheimer and Walt published “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”.
A vicious and vitriolic pack of Israel defenders (w/ ultra-ultra Zionist Alan Dershowitz in the lead) came out and practically ate all three of them raw.
So, I dare Al Jazeera give it a try.
Thank you for injecting some sanity into this debate. I would love it if you would consider doing a story on the CIA and intelligence community infiltrating the media with its agents as reporters. I’ve seen documentaries that referred to a program but don’t know much more about it and think that you’re the reporter who could do it justice. Thank you for all your hard work
BusinessInsider.com today revives Steele dossier:
“Explosive memos suggest that a Trump-Russia tit-for-tat [sic] was at the heart of the GOP’s dramatic shift on Ukraine”
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On Nytimes.com today, Carlos Lozada steps out of line to critique Obama’s personality cult:
“The early drafts of the Obama legacy are in–and they’re way over the top”
Whoops, Lozada on washingtonpost.com, rather than nytimes.com.
From Kevin’s link:
I wonder if there was also an incentive for Russia to “sideline” the issue of EUKUSA/NATO interference in Ukrainie — the actual trigger for the ongoing disaster there.
Cookies, anyone?
this came across my “desk” today:
(washington)
c steele of MI6 is alleged to have met with wolverine this weekend to discuss the other x men
also implicated was the 4.6 lb dog that saved a baby from floodwaters
steele “cant be sure” that other small dogs are not trying to smear the x men
wolverine could not be reached for comment
READERS: The commentator (and self-styled “researcher”) Mona is so clueless that she had to be later convinced that Luke Rudkowski and We Are Change are truther. She’s that informed and curious about her world.
She stopped repeatedly invoking SPLC in her arguments a few years ago after she was shown this:
http://harpers.org/blog/2010/04/morris-dees-a-life-fighting-poverty/
Nothing you say to or about me can be believed, including all of that. You are a lunatic, who think Satanists are controlling the minds of thousands.
In sum: you are a nut, one who has often been banned here for crapflooding the board with your hallucinations. Some intelligent commentary can be found by scrolling past you.
Nice, Mona. Are you now actually trying to lose credibility with readers?
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31/russia-hysteria-infects-washpost-again-false-story-about-hacking-u-s-electric-grid/?comments=1#comment-329198
You are a moron. My not initially being aware of a minor leaguer’s trutherism is relevant to nothing, and certainly says nothing about my “curiosity.” What I do have expertise in is the sociology of unhinged conspiracy theorists such as you. But I’m quite past being curious about YOUR manifestation of this unfortunate affliction.
Now, I have a new post up about an actually important matter. STFU and let the rational people — people who haven’t banned as crapflooding trolls who are evading the bans — carry on.
Readers (including Mona): Communete is a waste of space and precious electrons (there may be as few as ten to the eightieth in the observable universe — from here out to about 14 billion light years from here).
So, please, phasers on kill one last time and then, if it refuses to die, just fucking ignore it.
Doug Damn It All To Hell Salzmann: You engineered the telephony, this creation, you’re its father and damn it all to hell. Just when you cut off all telephony contact, it drags you back in. Damn it all to hell Doug.
If he keeps spamming the board with his political lunacy, I will remind everyone that he’s a loon.
READERS: The commenter “Communete” is a crapdflooding, far-right conspiracy theorist (who believes in Satanic/Illuminati plots) who’s been banned here multiple times. Please scroll past it.
Glenn,
Come on now….you know Trump’s in on the game.
As for Eisenhower…..this was a guy that in his capacity as
the supreme commander, expressed his life-long hatred of the German people
by ordering war prisoners to be reclassified as “unarmed combatants” to
evade the humane obligations of the Geneva Convention, and so committed
one of the crimes of the century holding German prisoners behind barbed-wire
stockades exposed to the elements without food or water, sanitation or
medical supplies, in an ocean of mud and excrement. Over 1,700,000 soldiers
died of deliberate exposure and starvation in this merciless act of savage
barbarity.
He was a willing tool used to make it clear that populist movements will not be tolerated.
His speech on the MIC was to make it appear that there are rogue elements in the government that are at odds with the ‘righteous’ government leaders.
And look how this myth has carried down to the present with the latest fake information about the CIA or FBI being at odds.
You’ve got to know that this is all misdirection.
The Bond franchise even re-enforced this fake notion in their latest film.
This charade is too classic to be missed.
The ‘deep state’/CIA internal war is just another in a long history of CIA tactics playing both sides of the game.
To the extent any of the ‘alternative’ media are supporting this con, it becomes clear that they’re either missing the obvious or they’re also in on the game.
Where do you fall here?
Cheers
When a deluded, easily suggestible progressive left is thwarted, it goes increasingly freak show. And again with a limited vocabulary, be it “folks,” or “1%,” or–particular to Hollywood–strung monologue:
http://video.wmagazine.com/watch/emma-stone-natalie-portman-and-chris-pine-perform-i-will-survive
Says the fuckwit who thinks “Brother Nathanael” makes a lot of sense.
In a contest of ideas, the progressive left knows it’s on an uphill climb without censoring the words of their political opponents. Preventing their words from seeing the light of print. NYT knows that much, Salon knows that much, the Guardian knows that much.
““If you try to go tweet-to-tweet with [Trump], more often than not you’re not going to succeed,” a candidate to lead the Democratic National Committee said at a forum.” -The New York Times, Jan. 15, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/politics/democrats-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Because the left understands it lacks the logical rigor and vocabulary to argue a point, same as in other venues including here.
Plus, Twitter is tailor made for Trump because his words around censored or deliberately taken out of context by a now increasingly marginalized, globalist progressive left corporate media.
aren’t
Oh, absolutely. Unlike yourself, who admires this man as a font of political wisdom. pfft.
Prison Planet wants you. Go there.
How true – nobody does suicidal tweets better than F…face von Clownstick.
And it has nothing to do with being liberal or not – as it separates Decent Human Beings form F…faces von Clownsticks.
F…face von Clownstick, lol??!…You’re talking about obama, right? Good one, hahaha!
Israel is getting hung on the Russia-hysteria petard
Al Jazeera has done a marvelous series — based on undercover reporting — of Israel’s attempts to subvert and control politicians in the UK. Which is nothing new, and not confined to the UK.
Latest story here — at bottom is a link to a 4-part video series on the machinations of UK’s Israel Lobby.
They’d never do one abt us, for existential reasons. Theyknow they wouldn’t recover from the vicious counterattack that would surely follow.
– and the problem with this kind of articles –
Not only ‘the Deep State’ – but every decent Human Being – starting with Meryl Streep – goes to war with this… (fill in you favorite expression) – and who cares about any ‘Unverified Claims’ if the Verified Claims are already sickening and disgusting beyond every believe?
– As not only ‘Democrats’ but every decent Human in the whole world cheers on…
You are grossly mistaken. Decent and intelligent people, people with a grasp of history, do not endorse powerful, unelected factions peddling layers of anonymous, evidence-free bullshit to the public. Especially not about a nuclear superpower.
‘Decent and intelligent people, people with a grasp of history, do not endorse powerful, unelected factions peddling layers of anonymous, evidence-free bullshit to the public.’
‘Especially not about a nuclear superpower.’
As for Putin goes the same as for F…face von Clownstick – we don’t more evidence to come to a decent and intelligent conclusion opposing them to the utmost degree.
Matt Taibbi — who spent about a decade as a journalist in Russsia — put it best on Twitter:
Everybody – please try to stay OT!
‘There are solutions to Trump. They involve reasoned strategizing and patient focus on issues people actually care about.’
The creation of well paying Jobs for American workers.
‘Whatever those solutions are, venerating the intelligence community, begging for its intervention, and equating its dark and dirty assertions as Truth are most certainly not among them.’
As SNL and US comedians are far more effective.
‘Doing that cannot possibly achieve any good and is already doing much harm.’
As SNL and US comedians are far more effective – the intelligence community is more or less irrelevant – but probably not as irrelevant as F…face von Clownstick?
It’s called thread drift, and not only has it always happened in Greenwald’s space, he endorses it. The drift generally occurs in the direction of issues he otherwise deals with, but not always and not necessarily.
The convention is to stay on topic the first day or so, but not so much as it ages.
Organizing to oppose Trump’s depredations is occurring, and many here, myself included, are part of that. A stale thread isn’t critical to that effort.
‘Organizing to oppose Trump’s depredations is occurring and many here, myself included, are part of that.’
Mr. Greenwald could do better!
Mr. Greenwald is doing extremely well. The above article is very important, and about important things.
Interests don’t make donations to First Ladies, you understand:
“The Clinton Foundation announced it’s laying off 22 staffers on the Clinton Global Initiative,….”
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/14/heads-are-finally-beginning-to-roll-at-the-clinton-foundation/
Doc Hollywood to nuf said:
Well said, Doc. As I’ve recently had to remind some younger blood relatives, at one time, as Irish-Catholics — by culture if not conviction — were deemed “not white” by the white Christian majority in America, who defined “papists” out of Christianity. Being “not white” in the U.S. is an extremely threatening thought to most who so consider themselves, and for a good reason. Suddenly, purported belief in the non-existence of “white privilege,” erodes.
Anti-Catholicism has a long history in America, and can still be found among certain fundamentalists and some secularists. Decent people do not embrace it, and would not no matter what the Vatican may or may not do. (The same, by the way, goes for Scientologists. The formal structure and doctrine imposed from the top of that organization is horrifying, but thousands of good people have adopted the beliefs in “the tech” to their personal benefit. These are not properly made to suffer for the sins of those in charge.)
To my disgust with many older members of my family, some of whom are dead, were vicious racists and antisemites. The Klan hated Catholics, possibly even more than blacks, but not more than Jews. Unlike Jews, however, the general response of the Irish tribe was a bid for acceptance into the white club by hating blacks, and even Jews, with an impressive fervor. Jews, in the main, went in the opposite direction, strongly advocating for civil rights for black people; Bernie Sanders is not unique in that regard. To hate the “tribe” that gave us these Jewish men and women is especially rancid.
Deep and strong critiques of Irish Catholicism are merited. I make them myself. But that does not excuse the gross bigotry white Christian America long manifested against them. Nor would any Vatican behavior. Civil libertarians would and should side with the cause of Catholic Americans beset by the bigots.
And a recent one as well.
The US waged a relentlessly brutal proxy war against Liberation Theology that took hold in Latin America following Vatican II in 1962. Among the tens of thousands of victims were nuns, priests, and Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, many slain by forces trained at the U.S. Army School of the Americas (SOA) in Fort Benning.
And it continues: the US Is Still Fighting The “Threat” of Liberation Theology
The US is tearing itself apart along feudalist and utterly psychopathic lines? That’s amazing news! Now maybe we can end this cold war and have the other evil empire collapse. About time. About 27 years late if you ask me.
DocHollywood
“………I couldn’t care less what craigsummers thinks; I only care about the sewage he spews on to multiple threads. I edit his spluges because it’s fun – it’s especially delightful when an edit makes him go all “potty-mouth” like a 12 year-old – and because I’ve seen others get innocently sucked-in and then angrily frustrated after they realize they’ve been engaging a dishonest hypocrite…….”
Oh I see (finally). You are doing this to help out the poor posters who get “innocently sucked in and then angrily frustrated” by the “sewage” of a “dishonest hypocrite”. Wow, Doc was I wrong about you or what? You really are a great guy. You do this for everyone else. To be perfectly honest with you Doc, I hadn’t realized I had made people so angry. I’m shocked, and at the same time deeply saddened by my own inattention to the feelings of others. Sometimes, it just takes some real honesty to bring things out into the open – so thanks again Doc.
“……..The Deep State of Glenn’s article dominates the politics of my country. It uses Israel as a means to an end for control over Middle East oil just as it uses dictatorships and ISIS/Al Qaeda for the same goal. All of these clients – with varying degrees of success and commensurate reward – are doing work for and trying to manipulate the Deep State in pursuit of their own agendas while the Deep State is manipulating and using them. Those other agendas and manipulations don’t matter to the Deep State, nor do repressive and violent acts unless they are seriously impeding Deep State goals……..”
Thanks. I’ll add this to my running list to define the alt-left. Unfortunately, it’s still really difficult to beat the extremely simply definition advanced by Nick Cohen (“Jeremy Corbyn’s failure of courage over Aleppo is no worse than that of other western leaders”, October 15, 2016”):
“……..The far left’s ideology is not “leftwing” in any sense that a socialist from the 19th or 20th centuries would have understood. It is simply opposition to the west whatever the west does. Occidentalism explains the appearances of Labour’s leaders on Iran’s propaganda channels , the endorsements of Russian imperialism, and the silence that greets the Syrian massacres……There is no secret about the nihilism and double standards. Both have been obvious to me at any rate since the bulk of the left failed to show solidarity with the victims of Saddam Hussein in the Iraq war of 2003 . Nor does the far left, if we can call it a left, try to hide its prejudices. When asked why the streets of London were not heaving with demonstrators protesting against Russia turning Aleppo into the Guernica of our times, Stop the War replied that it had no wish to add to the “jingoism” politicians were whipping up against plucky little Russia. The left’s task was “to oppose the west”. That was all……..”
Of course, far, extreme, radical left equals alt-left.
Thanks as always Doc.
>”… There is no secret about the nihilism and double standards. Both have been obvious to me at any rate since the bulk of the left failed to show solidarity with the victims of Saddam Hussein in the Iraq war of 2003.”
Hard to argue with that, craig. In retrospect, who knows how many victims of Saddam Hussein’s trashy love novels were saved “in the Iraq war of 2003″… while the alt-left twiddled their unAmerican thumbs?
*they probably think Nick Cohen is a duplicitous muckraker too.
Your Welcome .. in advance.
In hindsight..thanks.
Deep state with the help of Buzzfeed and CNN are helping Trump and Putin tremendously by releasing such obvious lies. Furthermore the former MI6 agent C.Steele was a close friend of Litvinenko……Champagne flowing again in Moscow and Trump Tower.
“…….Furthermore the former MI6 agent C.Steele was a close friend of Litvinenko……Champagne flowing again in Moscow and Trump Tower……..”
Again? Has the champagne stopped flowing in Moscow since the election?? The Soviet polonium treatment plan is very effective – and slow.
>”The Soviet polonium treatment plan is very effective – and slow.”
That would explain a lot about Trump’s behavior, craig.
“One must find the good in everything” *Russian Proverb
Even if the ‘deep government’ and in particular the CIA are not the leakers, it appears they are politicized whether they want to be or not. Trump says they are and we need to take that as a statement of intent.
Whether the dossier is real or not, Trump treats it as an attack on him. He will now lean hard on the CIA and others and start to drive out staff. If we recall the CIA also has analysts who study things like North Korean intentions and help Presidents make informed decisions, the loss of a tranche of experienced analysts would be a disaster.
Now consider what criteria a Trump administration would apply as it hires replacements. Most likely those who show loyalty to Trump and conservative/nationalist policies will be favored over those who might tell him things he doesn’t want to hear. What will that do for US policy?
And if we think the CIA is in fact politicised now, what will it be like after Trump gets done with it? Will it even be possible for a Democrat to come in and govern? He is going to use this crisis to gut the CIA and leave a poisoned well for anyone who tries to come in after him.
Who knows? Maybe the Russians leaked the document to help bring about the demise of their rivals? Facetious? Maybe. I worry either way.
Foremost foreign correspondent Patrick Cockburn calls BS on Christopher Steele: “I talked to Iraqi defectors in the 1990s who claimed to have plenty of information about WMDs and gossip about Hussein’s family affairs. It did not take long to work out that they were making it up when they produced convincing but uncheckable details.”
Steele’s “memo has all the hallmarks of such fabrications” says veteran Irish journalist Cockburn whose professional plaudits include: Martha Gellhorn Prize (2005), James Cameron Prize (2006), National Book Critics Circle award, shortlist (2006), Orwell Prize (2009), IMA Peace Through Media Award (2010), Costa Book Awards, shortlist (2011), Foreign Commentator of the Year (2013), Foreign Affairs Journalist of the Year (2014), and Foreign Reporter of the Year (2014).
“In its determination to damage Trump, the US press corps has been happy to suspend disbelief in this dubious document,” observes Cockburn in a column for UK newspaper The Independent.
“The dodgy Donald Trump dossier reminds me of the row over Saddam Hussein and his fictitious weapons of mass destruction”: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-president-russia-dossier-fake-news-sex-allegations-putin-kremlin-saddam-hussein-weapons-a7524001.html
time for some Deep firings across the entire government spectrum. I mean 30 to 50 percent of all government entities. then tell the remainder if they don’t pick up the pace their pensions will be taken too.
Shortly after the Billy Bush pussy grabbing video came out, I remember seeing Jim Sciutto on CNN saying that, for the first time, Russia had been “publicly fingered” for the DNC hacks.
Glad there wasn’t a typo – if they’d missed out that ‘L’ in “publicly”…
This must be fake news maisie … there is no discernible nexus, that I can see, between the Billy Bush pussy grabbing video and publically fingering Russia for the DNC hacks?
@DocHollywood
Fucking reply function…
Just to be clear and for what it’s worth, I don’t have any problem with you interacting with nuf said or agreeing with his/her non-bigoted comments. Sometimes I interact with nuf as well; indeed I have somehow grown perversely fond of him/her. (Weird, I know.)
I continue to appreciate your interpretations of Craig’s contributions and hope you will continue as long as he does.
“……..I continue to appreciate your interpretations of Craig’s contributions and hope you will continue as long as he does…….”
Before I helped him with his format, his posts were entirely unreadable. He has improved (because of my help), but they really amount to nothing more than personal attacks most of the time.
Thanks Gator.
I’ve been postulating that the Trump camp keeps the opposition running around fact checking, countering and disputing his every statement, while he is setting the course of action. We keep resorting to reason, common sense, verifiability, etc, to go after him. And you know what? He keeps winning. I do understand that to sensible thinking people all of this business about Russia and the “dossier” feels wrong. But I’m not at all convinced that it’s a bad tactic to weaken, distract, and put the Trump camp on the defensive. I think they’ve been banking on the fact that we won’t go there, and we went there. I think it caught them off-guard, and it changed the nature of his press conference from what had been intended. I don’t see that that’s such a bad thing, uncomfortable though it may make us feel. The rules of the game are set by the winning side, not the losing side.
The DNC and much of the media continues to portray Bernie Sanders’ economic policies as radical or extreme, which flies in the face of Americans’ support for them:
Establishment Democrats continue to depict Sanders’ domestic polices as extreme solely because they are bought and paid to. They are Republican Lite.
It would be wonderful if Sanders would capitalize on this fact and actually show some (more) spine in calling for a massive reduction of military/defense expenditure. I’ve said this before, but the fiscal year 2017’s “defense” budget is 773 BILLION DOLLARS, much of which is taxpayer money needed for purposes of domestic harmony rather than Full Spectrum Dominance for the militarized protection of corporate interests.
In doing this, Sanders could appeal even more directly to those millions of across-the-board citizens supportive of his domestic stances, without even calling for raising taxes (which alarms conservatives). Jill Stein was asked how she would afford some of her “radical” programs, and this reduction of military spending was one of her solutions – Sanders could use his considerably-larger platform to say the same thing to greater effect. He has unfortunately been disappointing in his lack of challenging the military-industrial complex, however, which some have suggested might be due to Vermont’s economy being somewhat tied up with the same.
Yes, Maisie, as you know I’ve often observed that Sanders is no Jeremy Corbyn when it comes to foreign policy. The best that can be said is that he’s the one of the least hawkish politicians on the national stage. And given who else is standing there, that isn’t saying much.
In his presidential run, Sanders made no effort to distinguish himself from Obama’s appalling hawkishness (drone-strikes, presently assaulting 7 nations, encroaching on Russia, ‘pivoting’ to Asia, and various dirty wars).
The military alone also has a carbon footprint equal to that of a small country, all by itself – thanks to various vehicular movements, unnecessary posturing and countless busy-with-nothing bases worldwide. This in itself is not just a great expense, it is a horrible rejection of principled behavior regarding fossil-fuel use.
Bernie Sanders (D-VT) is a way out there fringe hopeful who is supported by a small number of crazies. Americans would never take anything Bernie says seriously.
I’m not gonna get too involved in this overdone topic but just to correct you on the fact that Sanders was supported by a LARGE number of regular people – people like me. He said (and has done so for decades) many sensible, realistic and reasonable things that we’d all do well to at least listen to, whether or not we elect him president. But then I think that about Ron Paul, too, so what does that say about me? Maybe I am crazy.
You’re obviously just trying to troll his supporters with this one!!! You know very well he did well in various match-ups with Trump, and his fans were far more excited than Clinton’s. Mona’s link above shows how popular his domestic stances are, and although of course everyone (like you) who balks at the word ‘socialist’ would dismiss him, if he adopted a strongly non-interventionist foreign policy as I think he should he could well be a truly stunning national phenomenon.
Fringe, woo-woo, far out there candidate Bernie had no plans to do anything. He only ran because he thought it would bring more voters to the Democratic Party; his plan all along was to resign so that they would migrate to the Clinton campaign.
He sincerely endorsed the warmonger sociopath Democratic Party candidate; his mesmerized adherents dutifully followed suit.
Says the guy who admires and links to an ex con (for armed bank robbery) who rants about Satan and the Illuminati.
I always supported Jill Stein, but Sanders’ endorsement of Clinton did leave many people dazed and confused – although it was always in the cards, as he said beforehand he would endorse whoever the nominee was. I don’t really know what his plan was ”all along’ – and I’m surprised you think you do, as I would have thought you would avoid even thinking about him, reacting as you do like a hissing vampire in the sunlight every time the word ‘socialist’ appears anywhere.
His drafting-committee appointee, Cornel West, had more scruples (and decamped to the Greens).
If Bernie’s followers were told to send military assistance to Polan-…, er, Syria, they would.
Cornel West is indeed impressive; I appreciate that from you.
“…if he adopted a strongly non-interventionist foreign policy…he could well be a truly stunning national phenomenon.”
Indeed he could, by the luck of the draw — and the draw seems to be how he largely determines what his policies are going to be –, come up with some long-needed changes in our foreign policy.
Only a few days ago this seemed like a plausibility, if not a probability, but I’m afraid that by the time he takes control of the reins of policy he will have been beaten into submission by a combination of the Deep Sate, the foreign-policy establishment and the MSM, all deeply Russophillic.
He’s already showing signs of cracking under the almost unbearable strain. Let’s see how long he lasts.
I think we went from Sanders to Trump somewhere there. In any case I agree there’s little any president can do of their own initiative if it conflicts with the Deep State, as the establishment seems prone to make offers that can’t be refused. That’s why many here are cynical about the U.S. being a “democracy” or even a “republic,” since functionally it resembles an oligarchy. But as a bona fide presidential candidate nominee, pre-election (for what it’s worth), I reckon Sanders might possibly dramatically change the tone of public discourse for the better as a democratic-socialist non-interventionist, anti-establishmentarian in a manner that has never been seen before. And this long shot may have the massive momentum needed to actually challenge the Deep State/corrupt establishment itself, if we all clap really hard and believe in magic…
With regard to Trump, I don’t think he really wants to shake things up, personally, though I’m glad he still seems opposed to the TPP for now – but you’re right that if he does want to challenge the Powers That Be, he’s up against something that already seems to have him firmly by the throat.
Ooops, you’re right. Somewhere I lost the thread, and Bernie with it.
Anyway, yes, Trump wont, in the end, buck the Establishment. There’s nothing in it for him.
‘Democracy’ has long been a euphemism used to describe what in the Western World have been oligarchies since time inmemorial. On occasion (the 50’s, for example) they’ve deigned to hand us a bit more of the pie; but most of the time we’ve subsisted on crumbs. I dont see any changes coming in the near future.
As for Bernie… well, sad to say, I’m afraid his time has come and gone. We’d have to believe in Magic, Santa Claus, the Three Wise Men, and a few other things…
Nevertheless, hope still springs eternal, so let us hang in there.
LOL Says the guy who takes THIS lunatic seriously.
@DocHollywood
Concerning your reference below to nuf said’s “alleged anti-semitism,” I am wondering if you believe there is actually some question as to whether nuf said is indeed an anti-semite. I believe you are a regular reader of comments here, so I don’t see how you could be in doubt about that. Of course, if you are not a regular reader and just pop in from time to time to skewer Craig, then I understand. But assuming familiarity with nuf said’s contributions here, his/her anti-Semitism is really not a subject as to which reasonable minds could differ.
Gator, I second your assessment of nuf, but I do think it is the case that Doc is only semi-regular here. He really may not have noticed.
It’s not as if nuf is constant with it, and I don’t even recall seeing that kind of ugliness from him back at Salon; it actually took me by surprise when he manifested it here.
And btw, Gator, that book I was on about a day or two ago? It utterly eviscerates nuf’s antisemitic thesis that Zionism is some natural result of purported Jewish racism. Zionism was and is drawn from late 19th and early 20th century ethnic-based fascism. Up to and including the Jewish Agency’s actively working to prevent Jews from supporting the Allies in WWII and Zionists explicitly adopting SS tactics against Arabs.
One Jew after another, denounced these horrible, terroristic people in their midst. Not a few of them paid for it with their lives, dissident Jews being the primary targets of Zionist assassinations. Nuf could not be more wrong.
“One Jew after another, denounced these horrible, terroristic people in their midst. ”
So many denounced racism that we have the peaceful, loving, altruistic, people and land of Israel today … institutionalized racism in the form of apartheid. Why would anyone defend such a land or the people who practice its religion?
AIPAC wanted Hillary and now we have a megalomaniac running the country. This is how Jews have impacted negatively my life.
Jews are no more racist than Germans. Any people has the potential for some of its members to become corrupted by tribal excess. In the era in which Zionists rose to power they were not the only ethnic cohort to choose the fascist path. Many Jews, then and now, found political Zionism utterly repugnant.
Post-Holocaust, many Western liberal Jews — a group who had vehemently opposed Zionism — came to accept it. The idea of a land for Jews, where they would always be allowed in, seemed necessary to many.
As a white gentile, whose forebears generally gave not two shits what happened to the Jews of Germany and the rest of Europe, I don’t feel entitled to judge that generation of liberal Jews especially harshly. My unrestrained contempt is reserved for the Zionists who enthusiastically prosecuted their vile ideology entirely independent of Nazis.
“Any people has the potential for some of its members to become corrupted by tribal excess.”
tribal excess is what makes america great, tribal excess provides capital to survive the long winter and then build moon rockets
oh well
I do not doubt nuf said’s anti-semitism, Gator90, but neither do I doubt that craigsummers brought it up merely to deflect the criticism of his own bigotry, hypocrisy, and intellectual dishonesty. I know you’ve seen him try this particularly lame gambit many times before. I couldn’t care less what craigsummers thinks; I only care about the sewage he spews on to multiple threads. I edit his spluges because it’s fun – it’s especially delightful when an edit makes him go all “potty-mouth” like a 12 year-old – and because I’ve seen others get innocently sucked-in and then angrily frustrated after they realize they’ve been engaging a dishonest hypocrite. I’m not going to acknowledge, confirm, or engage his opinion of others when it’s offered as a sidetrack, and the words in the edited version were chosen with that in mind.
nuf said is an anti-semite, and much of what he posts is racist and wrong. However, his comments about craigsummers are spot-on.
As you know, he insists such observations constitute “character assassination.” He assassinates his character himself.
But I agree with you about not letting a sick authoritarian like Craig divert with spewing about nuf. Craig lacks any standing to offer moral judgments.
“nuf said is an anti-semite, and much of what he posts is racist and wrong. ”
answer a fool according to his folly.
that is my motto and what I aim to project.
That is why Doc’s cooking of cs posts is spot on.
I see Israel, the Jewish state, and, well, guess what I am going to do …
If The Vatican was doing what Israel does you can bet i would be railing against Catholics.
Israel dominates the politics of my country. Jews are responsible as a group for the actions of the self-proclaimed Jewish state.
You can bet you would be called a bigot or racist in that case too.
I would be railing against those who – Catholic or not – are culpable by their support; those Catholics and non-Catholics who were not supporters would not be culpable.
The Deep State of Glenn’s article dominates the politics of my country. It uses Israel as a means to an end for control over Middle East oil just as it uses dictatorships and ISIS/Al Qaeda for the same goal. All of these clients – with varying degrees of success and commensurate reward – are doing work for and trying to manipulate the Deep State in pursuit of their own agendas while the Deep State is manipulating and using them. Those other agendas and manipulations don’t matter to the Deep State, nor do repressive and violent acts unless they are seriously impeding Deep State goals.
Holding an entire race or religion responsible for state actions has neither legal standing nor moral merit. Those Jews and non-Jews who support the actions of Israel have a shared responsibility for the actions of Israel. All other Jews and non-Jews do not.
“I am wondering if you believe there is actually some question as to whether nuf said is indeed an anti-semite.”
lol.
fuck you too, gator.
You have spouted your racist crap many times. Remember when you gloated over the fact that Glenn is Jewish too? You have stated you believe Jews are their own race. That is the very definition of racism. The Aryan belief is no different than the Jew.
All religions rely on the fear of god to maintain control over the flock. Jews take it to an extreme.
Gator is not a racist and does not post racist comments.
With each election not only do we get a new president but we also have a new enemy and coincidentally our new president always has some kind of ties to that new enemy.
Before Obama, we were going after Al Qaeda, who hijacked a peaceful religion. Saddam was oppressing the Shia,. We had to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in order for the war on terror to end.
After Obama ran and won the switch flips and suddenly that was all wrong. Islam is what we are at war with, and btw, our president is a secret Muslim, born in Kenya.
We’re not saying that he’s ultimately working for the enemy but that is also exactly what we’re saying.
Trump runs and wins the switch flips and now its Russia that’s our enemy. The official line is that we’re not saying that Putin hijacked the election and put Trump in office or that Trump is working for Russia, but that is also exactly what we’re saying (?)
You wonder is it that the POTUS is under attack? I mean the position – is it being fazed out?
And during all of this you can’t help but notice that the unpopular US gov dismantling Congress always remains unscathed.
I just think its weird.
Very good article. I’ve just started reading this site and I have to say I like it despite being on the opposite side on most issues (not this one). Keep up the good work! BTW, do people here actually comment on the articles or just carry on feuds?
During the run-up top Iraq War II I found the, “evidence,” of Saddam’s wrongdoing so comical that one night I got really drunk and decided to chime in on it all.
So I copy/pasted a foreign news template, altered the news agency name slightly and wrote a scathing report on Saddam purchasing mass amounts of Sony Play stations to use as an array weapon against invading U.S. forces.
An American defense contractor clipped my piece that I posted all over the place on obscure news sights and put out a brief about it that taxpayers ponied up untold millions for that ended up on Fox News!
I was hysterical. That was the funniest crap I ever spewed while drunk on the net. A news media network and a defense intelligence contractor literally took some crap posted on the internet and sold that as a reason to invade Iraq.
You can Google it since I used my real name as the editor. It may still be around but I am sure the Fox News pieces is still out there…
..just like Fox Mulder and the, “aliens!”
I usually hate it when people pick apart spelling and grammar but…
There were laws regarding media ownership that were repealed. This was done at the same time as gutting equal time and fairness regulations. The media – broadcast/cable & print/electronic are now big money corporate machines serving the oligarchy because they are part of the oligarchy. The media will not call out the military industrial complex because they are part of that machine. They have been since the Bush years when they promoted as treason any dissent to the Iraq war. So don’t worry that the Democrats cheering on the deep state is going to make things worse. Trump’s rape and pillage is going to include the CIA real soon. We can only hope there will be media outlets that will still report the difficult truth.
Yea, investigate some stupid story of girls peeing on a bed Obama slept in. Many of us are still waiting for the criminal investigation of the murder of 3,000 American on 9/11, still waiting for an NTSB investigation of the airliners and passengers lost, still waiting for the Fire Investigation required by law. And, now demanding justice for the War Crimes of 2 administrations and some notice of our 16th yr. at war with the planet’s 5th poorest country.
It takes time for a newby — especially since it cant be said that every poster is on board with it — but after a while it starts to sink in that maybe there is, abroad on this site, a phenomenon that could be characterized as “The Intercept Groupthink”.
Alternatively, it could be seen as a virtual gathering of people who share an interest in rigorous analysis and some common points of view wrt a number of issues.
Along with a couple of persistent jerks and an ever-changing assortment of assholes and imbeciles.
Finish the sentence: “…assholes and imbeciles who dont think like us.
Helios
“……..Finish the sentence: “…assholes and imbeciles who dont think like us…….”
Correct Helios. For example, here is a post from Doug Salzmann to me awhile back:
“………Craig, you are a poisonous pollutant in this forum. You need to go away or be removed……”
This was a clear call to delete my account. There is nothing that the alt-left despises more than “debate”.
I think the common parlance these days is, the “ctrl-left”.
How amusing. The “regulars” here often disagree with one another, frequently rather…spiritedly. In fact, many of us even have strongly disagreed with (gasp!) Glenn Greenwald, myself certainly included.
Nope. Your reception here is due to your lack of logical and analytical reasoning skills. The cerebrally challenged do not do well at this site.
“The cerebrally challenged do not do well at this site.”
What, then, are you doing here?
You hit the nail on the head Helios (more than you can possibly know). In fact, the “regulars” want absolutely no disagreement at all. Maybe Mona will give you an invitation to the new “one viewpoint” site.
I aint attending.
Now, it’s relevant to point out that in the tongue of Don Quijote — and of a few other folks on this planet — mona = she-monkey.
So would it be appropriate if she named her ‘one-viewpoint site’ MonkeyPoint.com?
I’m not sure what she is naming the site, but Russian Television seems to work as well.
The sheer unoriginality and stupidity of that retort only demonstrates my point.
Funny thing, I thought it was exceedingly clever (and funny, too).
Anyway…
You know, arrogance is not a trait that endears anyone to anyone else.
On the other hand, when an arrogant individual is one who has accomplished difficult feats in his/her life, feats whose achievement set him notably appart from the rest of the herd, one has to admit that perhaps he/she has a certain right to feel superior and to flaunt his sense of infatuation with self.
But when a notably mediocre individual attempts to compensate for his/her banality with arrogance, bravado and insults, he/she deservedly becomes an object of derision and disdain to those who see through the ruse and recognize it for what it is.
In your case, your mediocrity, banality and total lack of redeeming intellectual value (redeeming of your obnoxiousness) is evident every time you open your mouth (metaphorically speaking) on this forum.
So run along, Babe. You’re not gonna get a lot of traction, much less respect, from me. And this is the last time I respond directly to your misdirected drivel.
“You know, arrogance is not a trait that endears anyone to anyone else. ”
Have you looked in the mirror lately, honey? You take yourself and your opinion way too seriously. It is to laugh…
Not only group think, but a group protection racket. So predictable for the Greenwald mousekateers!
By definition, I’m not intellectually mediocre, as has been demonstrated by extensive educational testing, performance and the passing of two especially difficult licensing exams. Few Greenwald fans are mediocre in that manner, and I’m not remotely the smartest of the bunch — merely very smart, while some are clinical geniuses, which I am not. That’ all just facts I don’t deny.
And Helios, I do not seek “respect” from individuals such as you. Indeed, having it would mean I was doing a great deal wrong.
Yeah, what Mona said. We may be deplorable, but we definitely ain’t mediocre. Which reminds me. . .
Once upon a time (in 1970), having already had a Supreme Court nominee rejected by the Senate, Richard Nixon followed up with the nomination of a guy named G. Harrold Carswell.
Carswell was a truly crappy choice. He was a racist, a white supremacist and a legal dunce, with a startling reversal rate as a federal judge (Northern District of Florida).
One of the nicest things you could say about Carswell was that he was mediocre (not accurate, he wasn’t nearly that good) and a number of people said just that. In response, political giant Roman Hruska, Republican senator from Nebraska, offered this defense:
Although mediocrity had long been, and continues to be, an honored tradition in America’s halls of government and justice, it lost that particular round.
~Carswell Nomination to Court Rejected by Senate
One of the more frustrating aspects of practicing law — and there are so many — is the stupid judge. (Found more often on the state rather than federal level.) One can accurately argue the law is on one’s side, but if they cannot be made to understand that, it doesn’t matter, at least not until any appeal.
Of course, non-lawyers have to deal with a similar issue, as when a supervisor or boss is less bright, or even dumb. It’s extremely frustrating, and a situation that has to be handled carefully or their insecurity and resentment can make them vicious.
Weeelll, I beg to differ. Some of “us” ARE mediocre, despite what we may think to the contrary.
But let me say this (quite unashamedly on what could be construed, but wrongly, as the path to divide and conquer) I appreciate your cynically wry humour, on most occasions, even when I may not agree totally w/ what you’re saying.
As for TI Groupthink, it’s definitely there. And I doubt that you, deep in the core of your tender heart, would sincerely deny it.
I don’t have a tender heart. I have a cold and cynical one.
And you can can take your mediocre commentary, fold it until it’s all corners and shove it up your ass.
Doug did you know that you and I engage in “groupthink,” which would necessarily mean we virtually never disagree? I assume, therefore — by virtue of the groupthink — that you concede I am right regarding the multiple times you’ve displayed the great lack of judgment to not see things my way.
Mona
Mona
You definitely engage in group think. That’s why you are the Greenwald Mousekateers – and sometimes known as the Wall Mart Greeters club. The new “one viewpoint” site is ample proof. You are all Greenwald ass kissers first and foremost. Helios has you pegged. You do a lot of good research, but that is offset by you saying really stupid things. I can always depend on it.
Thanks.
READERS: About 95% of the time I do not reply to Craig Summers, who is an authoritarian, pro-torture, Republican who had said he was voting for Trump. Multiple commenters asked that I not reply to Craig because doing so causes him to post yet more walls of drivel-text, which pollutes the board.
Ahem, having just read your post I wish to clarify that ‘ass-kissers’ is not a term that I would use when referring to any of the honorable, if perhaps on occasion rather groupthinkish, participants in this forum.
No, Mona, you misunderstand. It means that you concede that I have been correct on any occasion in which disagreement may have manifested.
Additionally, it would be best if you agree, now, not to disagree with me (or any of the other Certified Groupthinkers) in the future. Dissent can be so disruptive, you know.
Doug, this unseemly disagreement with me must stop, and I do mean now. It’s bad enough when Glenn has the chutzpah to post things I know to be horribly wrong and he fails to accept my corrections. But from any of you below the line, it’s simply not something I can or will tolerate.
I disagree with all those who agree to disagree, although I agree with disagreement concerning those who do or do not agree in a disagreeable manner.
Well. . . as long as you accept, and respect, my disagreeable seniority.
How could I not? I’d still like to object to your claim to not have a ‘tender heart,’ however, as I believe I’ve seen signs of it myself – despite your gruff exterior and ability to make my eyes glaze over with cyber-talk.
Shh!
Hah. As I said, I appreciate your cynically wry humour…but this is just a mean spiritted and uncalled for outburst.
Bestial is the word that comes to mind. Did you forget to take your mood-control pill today?
It was mean-spirited, certainly, but not an outburst. It was an intentional, contemptuous, dismissive insult.
If you continue to pollute these threads with your insulting mediocrity, you can expect more and worse.
Hah, again. Your mental state is in worse condition than I anticipated.
I am now terrified, terrified, of the consequences of possibly provoking your Cyclopian wrath. Almost as much as of the chicken that my neighbor is raising on his backyard, which I fear may slip under the fence and come after me.
I promise I’ll toe the line. I will; I will. Just dont peck on my blue swede shoes, pleeeaaaaase.
I wouldn’t worry too much Helios. I’ve seen him display the same arrogance on these threads only to get his ass clocked on several occasions.
What, me worry?
Funny thing, I definitely didnt realize to what extent this Doug guy is capable of making an ass of himself.
I mean, the posts of his that I’d read so far dont give an indication. One suspects he really IS under some sort of mood-control medication and has gone of the wagon, in the process transmuting from a moderately amusing commenter into a total, out of control, turkey case.
Oh, well. That’s why we’re here; namely, to learn and be amused.
An awake anti-globalist elected to the U.S. presidency is the stuff of science fiction. Trump had the resources to do it that the Pauls lacked.
_”Trump Team Shunning Davos Meeting of World’s Economic Elite“_
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-13/trump-team-shunning-davos-gathering-of-world-s-economic-elite
The progressive left has no clue what its witnessing.
It appears you also have no clue what you’re witnessing, falling for the Bloomberg headline-writer’s peculiar framing. This is a completely theatrical avoidance, meant to dupe people just like you who actually believe the nonsensical notion that Trump is a populist anti-establishmentarian.
From the very article you linked to, beneath the clickbait headline:
Avoiding official participation is a big deal, even historic, and sends an unmistakable message to globalists. A few team members attending in an unofficial capacity is a helpful way to keep tabs on the machinations of world government. Countries can’t inter-operate in ignorance.
His anti-globalism, i.e., nationalism, is part of what bothers progressives, is it not?
Well, in my opinion that makes you look awfully gullible.
Trump’s team is ‘avoiding’ the event by not actually avoiding it at all, just calling those it sends “unofficial” participants. But, hey, go on with your duped tribalism, see if I care!
I’m looking forward to a merciful at-least-four years where the word “folks” isn’t recited in any executive or cabinet speech.
We can agree on something! The “We tortured some folks” was the weirdest and most offensive incarnation of that idiosyncrasy.
To my mind – and putting aside policy-talk for a moment – Trump has some annoying phrases and mannerisms of his own that are sure to make America ‘grate’ again, though.
Herb Caen, “Mr. San Francisco,” who wrote a brilliant insider-news-gossip-and general-silliness column in the Chronicle, for about six decades, the father of “three-dot-journalism,” periodically featured what he called “Namephreaks.”
Herb would have absolutely loved the fact that Trump has a spokesperson named Hope Hicks — and he would have been sure to point out that she would be listed in a telephone directory (we still had those then) or a contact list as “Hicks, Hope.”
That’s wonderful. I always thought Obama’s name sounds like an Irish explosive expert.
And when we learned about Reagan’s ‘Star Wars’ project in poli-sci, the teacher deliberately pronounced the president’s name as ‘Ray-gun,’ much to her own amusement (though the class found it a little tiresome after the third time, to be honest).
What sayeth Greenwald about this?
Trump adviser had five calls with Russian envoy on day of sanctions: sources
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN14X1YX
More Deep state sabotage? Or Nixonian subterfuge and treason?
I assume the NSA has all the calls on tape and transcripts available.
I for one expect government leaders and their advisers to maintain close and frequent communications with other governments — and that goes double for other governments of nations with more nuclear warheads than we have. ;^(
DocHollywood writes (trying to obfuscate his alliance with a known anti-Jewish bigot on these threads):
“…….craigsummers, replying to the same poster…….” – DocHollywood
Let’s post what “nuf” actually wrote which I responded to:
“……..Your usual long posts are not cohesive in a factual regard…….” – nuf said
My response:
“……. “God, I had no idea. Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll try to correct that in the future. Hmmm, facts. What a great idea!” – craigsummers
Sarcastically. Even a dimwit would know that. Tell me what you really think about Jews Doc. After all, forming a political alliance with a known bigot is a lot different than sarcastically replying to a known bigot, You know Doc: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You’ve heard that right?
Thanks (as always) Doc.
The post lightly [edited] for accuracy:
“[I] write ([desperately] trying to obfuscate [my] known [hypocrisy] on these threads)[. I claimed that a reply to a post devoid of any anti-semitism “condones if not encourages” the poster’s alleged antisemitism though I’ve been] replying to the same poster. . .Even a dimwit would know that[‘s hypocritical]. After all, [injecting an unrelated, vague, and insubstantial assertion that] forming a political alliance with a known bigot is a lot different than sarcastically replying to a known bigot [mitigates neither my known bigotry nor my known hypocrisy.] You know Doc: my enemy [is honesty]. You’ve heard that right?”
“with a known anti-Jewish bigot”
Being known to one and all; according to craigsummers …
’tis a badge of honor.
Jews self-define apologetically as racists … xenophobia, misogyny, and more, one would have to create the illusion of birth-right to perpetuate such madness. Tack on the ever-present danger of being attacked for just being Jewish and you have the Herman Goering recipe for dragging the masses to the lunacy of today’s Israel.
People have got to stop with the non-stop hysteria and just go on with their lives, breath-deep and relax.
There’s always gotta’ be another crisis brewing or some people just aren’t happy, the RNC convention take-over, the election recount, the electors switching their vote, Obama’s creating a crisis to say in office.
There is no Trump battle with the IC, they simply informed Trump of what Sen. McCain and others were passing around, they had no choice ..either present it now or Trumps learns later and takes them to task over their having that information and not sharing. The IC already said its not their work and nothing written in it can be verified or substantiated. Trump wasn’t happy with the IC leaking and neither is Clapper ..regardless of what Schumer may say, these Agents are career professionals that will do their jobs and not attempt to retaliate against their current boss and face charges.
You don’t believe there is a battle between the IC and Trump?
You do know there are retired IC ( who are opponents of Trump. E.g. @20committee ) who say that is exactly what is happening.
What we see with dossier-gate is a classic disinformation op long practiced by all kinds of spy agencies over the centuries. Spreading false rumors to discredit enemies goes back to ancient times. This has spy fingerprints all over it.
What is disturbing is that this one is being spread maliciously by the die hard anti Trump media troops in a last ditch effort to derail an elected president and to make accusations which can’t really be fully proven false. Yes, the claims which have details (going to Prague) can be refuted, but the broader attack is too vague and lacking detail to fully “prove” false. Proving negatives is notoriously difficult which is why disinformation is so popular with spy outfits. Many past wars were ignited by similar dirty tricks (Bay of Tonkin, Zimmerman letter (forgery), etc.
JFK was screwing Marilyn Monroe and mafia don mistresses for gods sake, and the media at the time knew it! Did they publish any of that? Ditto for Bill Clinton and his notorious womanizing. None of the “respectable” news outlets uttered a peep. Evidently fears of “blackmail” have only recently become a valid worry. Of course those past behaviors were known to be true at the time.
The lame excuse that when people hear of vague rumors, that the press somehow has a “duty” to publish the details, so people can judge for themselves, is also false (though Glenn unfortunately seems sympathetic). So how many of the media titans smearing Trump by second hand scurrilous un-sourced gossip treated claims of Obama’s Kenyan birth the same way? Answer, none. To the extent it finally was even reported outside of rightwing news outlets was to ridicule the accusations and promote stories of his Hawaiian birth certificate, etc. which were prompted by Obama’s own statements.
The MSM aren’t merely Useful Idiots here. They are complicit actors and active willing stooges to the original Dem and GOP attack dogs who paid for the lies to be produced and doctored up to look authentic.
When this gambit fails, what next? Trump controlled secretly by aliens? Don’t rule it out. Buzzfeed and the NYT are always looking for clickbait. Feed the Hate, baby, Feed the Hate!
one of Trump’s real assets … that his hands aren’t drenched in blood (yet) … seems to go unnoticed by the Fourth Estate
You compare media take on Obama’s birth with trump scandal. No comparison is valid.
Trump bragged – recorded – about grabbing pussy. He’s spoken of his sexual behavior and multiple partners. Hookers and golden showers are plausible.
Forgery of Obama’s birth certificate was not plausible and proven false.
Glenn – I think you should be awarded a lifetime teaching certificate throughout the world for educating us on all the shenanigans being performed by too many powerful people. It’s noteworthy, however, that all of the talking head “journalists” that you have interfaced with give you pretty much of a wide berth in getting the truth out. I see you all over YouTube, and it’s great to watch you getting your points out with little little or no interruption. I’m speaking to you – MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc.
craigsummers v craigsummers
–craigsummers, who has never been subtle about his bigotry, trying to rationalize his use of a racial slur.
– craigsummers, implicitly equating a reply to a post without any hint of anti-semitism as condoning if not encouraging the poster’s alleged anti-semitism.
– craigsummers, replying to the same poster.
“I have here in my hand, a list of 205 subversive acts committed by the communist stooge, President-Elect Trump.”
Just when you think the ghosts of the McCarthy era are dead and buried, the base nature of man rear’s its head and here we are once again.
These comments sound much like IN-BREEDING nagging, name calling, innuendo, b.s.
And I was rather liking some good reading material on Saturdays!
Now Intercept is just close to impossible to follow the comments because it is just TOO INSIDY game match play.
Glen, u r outsourcing way too much crap. I have lost interest at this time, though without a doubt, no one would care.
At Vox, Victor Beauchamp writes (“The WikiLeaks-Russia connection started way before the 2016 election” http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia-ties?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=tw):
“…….“I don’t necessarily think he’s some sort of paid agent for the Russians,” says Chris Zappone, an editor at the Age newspaper in Assange’s native Australia who has covered Assange’s Russian ties extensively. “But I do think he’s being manipulated by the Russians.”………”
There is some truth to that, but it marginalizes the goals of WikiLeaks and Assange. Assange gained the trust of Putin based on his interactions with RT – the long arm of the Russian government. So you really have to wonder who manipulated who in this case. WikiLeaks has become a powerful instrument to successfully manipulate western elections and the Russian government’s collusion(?) with WikiLeaks certainly set a precedent for future elections. German intelligence has already suggested Russian disinformation and hacking could be used to influence their upcoming elections.
Assange definitely views the west as the problem in world politics and at the same time hints at working with Russia. According to the Independent, 2012 (“Julian Assange launches talk show on Kremlin-backed broadcaster Russia”):
“…….Asked why he had chosen Russia Today Mr Assange said: “In the case we are in at the moment, where our major confrontation is with the West, although we have published material from many countries, RT is the natural partner.” He added that the relationship might not be so comfortable if WikiLeaks had published large amounts of compromising data on Russia…..”
Beauchamp goes on to write:
“………..What they do show, when put together, is that Assange doesn’t see Russia as an enemy or a target. He instead seems to see them as something akin to “the enemy of my enemy” — the “enemy,” in this case, being the US and its allies. As a result, he is more than happy to work with them in situations where their interests align……….”
Regime change in Iraq and Libya and the attempted regime change in Syria only reinforced the alt-left’s view that the US is the most dangerous country in the world. Furthermore, the alt-left views Russia (and China) as a check against the world’s only superpower so Putin and Assange are natural allies (for the moment). So here it becomes clear the reasons why Assange and Russia intervened in the US election on behalf of Trump. Putin saw Hillary as dangerous to Russian interests and Assange considered HRC to be a threat to world peace risking an unpredictable Trump Presidency on nothing short of a wing and a prayer. Assange writes on his website (“A vote today for Hillary Clinton is a vote for endless, stupid war”):
“……Hillary’s problem is not just that she’s war hawk. She’s a war hawk with bad judgement who gets an unseemly emotional rush out of killing people. She shouldn’t be let near a gun shop, let alone an army. And she certainly should not become president of the United States…….”
Russia and WikiLeaks worked beautifully in tandem to undermine HRC.
does the average trump voter even know who Julian Assange is?
maybe I could buy a Julian Assange sportcoat at macy’s …
“maybe I could buy a Julian Assange sportcoat at macy’s …”
Got mine at Nordy’s.
John
“……..does the average trump voter even know who Julian Assange is?……”
If you are interested in what the alt-right thinks about Julian Assange and the DNC hacking, then read what the alt-left says. They agree albeit for different reasons. The alt-left and the alt-right intensely distrust the government. Both will deny that there is any evidence that Russia was behind the hack. Greenwald writes (in the above article):
“…….As my colleague Sam Biddle argued last week after disclosure of the farcical intelligence community report on Russian hacking — one that even Putin’s foes mocked as a bad joke — the utter lack of evidence for these allegations means “we need an independent, resolute inquiry.”…….”
An utter lack of evidence is simply wrong. Additionally, both will argue that it was the CONTENT of the email that mattered, not who released the email, or even why. To the alt right and alt-left, Assange is viewed as exposing the DNC corruption (which the Intercept wrote about incessantly during the campaign).
Interestingly, Assange and Greenwald are ideologically very similar so Greenwald has chosen to avoid writing an article about Assange’s attempt to influence the election (although he interviewed Naomi Klein). I would say in Greenwald’s case, he views Assange interfering in the election as the good outweighing the bad (since Greenwald also vehemently opposed HRC).
“If you are interested in what the alt-right thinks about Julian Assange and the DNC hacking, then read what the alt-left says.”
if i’m interested in what Naomi Kline thinks about Julian Assange and the DNC hacking, maybe I should read what Calvin Kline says about Julian Assange sportcoats
“…….if i’m interested in what Naomi Kline thinks about Julian Assange and the DNC hacking, maybe I should read what Calvin Kline says about Julian Assange sportcoats…….”
You should read the interview. It’s fairly good.
Thanks.
“Interestingly, Assange and Greenwald are ideologically very similar so Greenwald has chosen to avoid writing an article about Assange’s attempt to influence the election (although he interviewed Naomi Klein)”
uh ..
learn to post.
Thanks for maintaining some semblence of reason in these times. The biggest impact of this propaganda was evident at Trump’s “press conference,” where most of the time was spent addressing this farce and not on Trump’s real issue: massive conflicts of interest that Trump is claiming to address using an obvious facade of manila folders. This controversy should be the lead story in every news outlet every day leading up to the inauguration.
I respect Greenwald’s reporting, but I find it interesting that he is ignoring the Pulitzer Prize-winning writer David Cay Johnston’s work that shows Trump has deep ties with many unsavory characters in Russia. hmmmm?
Caesar must appear reluctant to take the crown. The frenzied crowd will clamor for him to do so. Finally, with dramatic effect, Mr. Trump will reluctantly say, “OK, you can have a nuclear war with Russia”, amidst deafening cheers.
Such a war will require the President to have far more powers than the piddling executive authority granted to Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama. The first step will be to declare martial law, and suspend all future elections. The next step will be to disband Congress. Congressional oversight hampers the Executive, which may be tolerable for the War on Terror that consists of sniping at goat herders from the safety of drones, but not for an existential nuclear war. Then Mr. Trump must pull back the line of defense in order to secure the American heartland. The coasts are in easy striking range of Russian nuclear missiles and will have to be sacrificed to the overriding objective of winning the war. In any case, they have demonstrated they are bastions of Democratic support which are probably not worth saving.
However, I am getting ahead of myself. So far the situation is unfolding according to script and the next steps will follow in logical sequence.
The Leader a fount of wisdom and insight.
Maisie may be right. “They” could have shown Drumpf “the film” enough, by now, that the main idea is sinking in.
Ummm. . . link:
‘Deep State’ wins… Trump is being tamed to toe the line
HaHaHaHaHahaHaha. The source is RT. You should have left that out Doug!
No, Craig, you stubborn moron, the fact that the publisher is RT is an important element in understanding the column.
You could learn a lot by reading RT, and other sources you consider hostile propaganda, on a regular basis. Well, at least, some people could.
In general, Americans can learn a great deal of truth about their country and government from RT, while Russians can learn about theirs from a hostile U.S. media.
“……..You could learn a lot by reading RT, and other sources you consider hostile propaganda…….”
Don’t you think it’s kind of ironic when government-funded RT discusses the “deep state”? Russian intelligence settles old scores with plutonium. Corruption runs deep in the system. Norway might be able to get away with calling the US government a “deep state”, but certainly not Russia. Besides, I read and comment on several alt-left sites for a varied view of world events – the Intercept the most, of course. I don’t really have the time or the need to read RT which is just propaganda (IMHO). I generally use four sites for general news – New York Times, al Jazeera, Middle East Eye and the Jerusalem Post. I’m reading more of the Daily Beast lately.
Thanks.
Thanks for the mention, Doug. Revealing stuff there, very astute. I don’t think Trump or the Deep State want war with Russia, incidentally – in fact I reckon that sort of thinking is what got Clinton shoved aside – but the aim is certainly to intimidate Russia as much as possible, without risking insane provocation: Trump’s cajoling mixed with the MIC’s (and NATO’s encroachment) are means to this end, in my view.
Sadly how far we have fallen from the days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite to the unethical reporting of today! I get all my news from Reuters and BBC as close as possible to the truth. If not for ethical reporting of Glenn we would in my opinion have literally no-one to go to for the truth!
useful article and point well made. Yet to say that the paper by the ex-MI6 officer is unsupported is untrue as the Guardian this week openly supported the credibility of the officer and have published several articles by their journalists and backed up by reference to both the ex-mi6 officer and diplomatic respected sources.
So to ignore these might seem perhaps rather churlish of the Intercept given their professional journalistic former and relatively recentish tenures formerly at the err Guardian?
…”All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible. “
The problem with that idea is that there exists no “credible body” in the USA. Who would you trust Glenn?
I can recall JFK and his statement on the CIA and what he was going to do to that organization. Before he could do anything a “lone nut” assassinated him with a magic bullet. That was unfortunate as the intel agencies (mainly CIA though) have been the enemy of world peace ever since.
Are we to trust reports from the “intelligence” community?
Are we to trust the New York Times? A D. C. judge?
What about the “impartial” guy who runs Facebook? (or the Twitter guy for that matter)
Oh well, most of the facts that would show Americans that their government does really evil things end up classified for decades. Some of the JFK files are still under lock and key and I despair of living long enough to see total declassification of that event. Or 9-11. Or how we got into war in the Middle East.
So, what trustworthy body should look into this matter?
Have you thought about the FSB or GRU?
The trouble with this analysis is that Trump did not in fact win democratically, under any plausible comstrual of “win” or “democratic.” He was chosen by the non-democratic electoral college, and not by the people under any stretch of the imagination, and he needed to openly court the intervention amd espionage of long-standing American enemies against whom we have active sanctions to even come close to being democratically elected. He was beaten by 2.8 million votes by his opponent, whom American voters preferrd by a margin of 2.1 percent. The people spoke, amd Clinton was the candidate the people chose by a fairly wide margin; it is a deplorable, shameful abuse of language to say that Trump was elected democratically. Trump was chosen by a profoundly anti-democratic institution despite losing the vote of the people. Words have meanings, Glenn.
First off, I’m a reader not a poster, but I felt compelled to voice a concern.
I started coming to the intercept to see more objective reporting. Glenn’s articles lately feel more like a critique of other news media, the intelligence community, and political partisans. I realize that opinion pieces are easier than actual investigative reporting, but I would be much more interested in the latter especially considering the serious nature of the underlying allegations that have been circulating.
Mona,
A lot of us here on the threads are confused about what your role is on Glenn’s Intercept entries. You’re a constant presence in them, and you’re always helpful about letting the readers know you’re his former law partner and good friend. And it’s difficult to move among the posts without your good natured contributions to most of its discorse, sprinkled witb pronouncements on everything Glenn.
Are you a spokesman for Glenn? And if readers have questions, should they post to you and you take them to Glenn?
When Glenn has a a spokesman other than himself, he’ll let us know. As you’d be aware if you were capable of rational thought, some, including Craig Summers, have accused me of “failing to disclose” my professional history with Glenn. Huddle with Craig and do decide how much “disclosure” is exactly right.
Not becasue I’ll care what you come up with, but it will keep you both out of our hair while we reasonable folk engage.
Are you in the layer that constitutes his announcer, the one who sits at the podium just off stage? Or are you more guest commentator, sort of a “Glenn Greenwald, starring Mona,” or “with special guest, Mona”? You’re providing the color?
Meh, you simply have a bee in the bonnet covering your fevered head because I often point out one of your favorite books and authors, which you’d rather people not be reminded of.
My new bumper sticker – Finish The Job, Jail The Warmongers
Thank you Glen for real journalism, this world is in desperate need of it.
Greenwald’s calls for reason and educated discourse are undercut by his baseless adjective-laden criticisms of Trump and the movement that backs him.
He asserts that Trump’s “instability” presents a “grave danger,” that his “extremist conviction” is some kind of plague to be gotten rid of. These are not the arguments of an educated discourse. In fact, they’re not arguments at all. He uses no evidence to back them up, nor provides any reason that what he’s saying has any validity whatsoever.
Trump got elected because people are tired of the linguistic fascism that is political correctness. They want lower taxes, they don’t want illegal immigrants, they want to preserve American cultural values and they want the economy to boom again. They don’t want politicians who are bought and paid for by special interests before they step foot in office. To dismiss the Trump movement is to ignore how revolutionary a self-funded candidate with no political entanglements truly is.
If the left ever wants to compete in the political arena again in a post-Trump environment, they’ll have to stop using emotional language and fragile logic in place of reasoned arguments. We’re simply not buying your rhetorical sophistry anymore. Step up to the plate and make a reasoned argument against the ethics and policies that Trump has embodied, or accept the political bulldozing you’ll be receiving for at least the next few decades.
I leave for you this as a reason to go after Trump. https://theintercept.com/2016/09/06/the-unrelenting-pundit-led-effort-to-delegitimize-all-negative-reporting-about-hillary-clinton/
I’m suspicious. Why hasn’t theIntercept been smeared as a “False News” (ie. Heretical) source?
mackey articles?
i wrote a bunch of stuff in these allegations literally as a joke to see if someone was dumb enough to take them seriously
that someone took the allegations seriously and passed it along the GOP who passed it along to the CIA
i literally WROTE JOKES TO MAKE LAUGHS and the CIA took them and tried to use them to bully trump
Yes this is what is going on today. So I ask all of you who have and are having enough of this BS what would you like to do about this/what can be done and where’s the support behind this?
Best article I’ve seen on this subject.
What the enemies of United Snakes imperialism should want is for neither Trump nor his opponents within the ruling class to have a clear victory over the other, but to keep the battle going. And it is essential that we on the left do not dirty ourselves by actively or passively supporting appeals to U.S. nationalism/patriotism.
Very interesting to hear about “Deep State”.
Watch out for ultra-salacious leaks about Donald Trump or his personal entourage that prove partly or wholly false. Such fake news will precede or render ineffectual real revelations. from the article
When American’s realize the intelligence agencies are all employed by regular people and not “special beings” who have the same issues as everyone else: drug abuse, alcoholism, spouse abuse, porn addiction, money problems, bad credit, past issues with family, religious -challenges, bad friends, lying, stealing, taking advantage of others with their powers, you will find nothing special about them in the end. What makes them special are their ties and inner connection to the media. Are they the same? I am thinking so.
Mr. Rilley is my new favourite person.
as long as i’m oversharing:
on salon.com, they would actually put up my posts so that ONLY I COULD SEE THEM
in other words, if i logged in on a machine with a different ip address, my posts weren’t there anymore
high praise from the salon mods i guess, anyway CraigSummers seems to have vanished from this place
Craigly took off to do damage control for; Netty Yayhoo with the criminal investigation into his fraud bribery etc., the UN vote acknowledging the criminality of the israeli apartheid state, the meeting in France to recognize the state of Palestine, and probably lots of other stuff. He is in denial of being beat and will soon be in denial of needing psychiatric treatment.
i’m zooming on his unique “ctrl-alt-left-delete” concept
I am alive and kicking. Sometimes comment sections are sanitized to reflect a certain point of view. The Intercept is a good place to post although the Greenwald mouskateers seem to prefer a “one viewpoint” comment section. I guess it just isn’t as much fun when someone disagrees with their point of view. I always enjoyed that part the most.
so you wondered why nobody responded to your comments.
well admittedly most of my comments are idiotic but even the idiots weren’t responding
I’ve done my part to reduce Craig’s presence by ignoring him the vast majority of the time for almost a year. Few others engage him, so he doesn’t have much to do here but piss in the wind.
But you, John, you’ll never go on my ignore list. I couldn’t even quite say why, but I’ve generally liked your persona. Your contempt is supremely well executed.
The post lightly [edited] for accuracy:
“I am alive [but still braindead]. Sometimes comment sections [need to be] sanitized [after I’ve spluged on them]. The Intercept is [one] place [that still allows me] to post [though others] prefer [higher standards in their] comment section. I guess it just isn’t as much fun when someone [is being a two-faced, dull-witted, hypocritical liar, but] I always enjoyed that part the most.”
Salon did that to a number of posters including myself. I later read one of them, who wrote earnestly on politics, complain he had even been a monetary contributor to the site; its pranks started no sooner than it stopped that funding model.
The progressive left has always been about political censorship. One need only look to the USSR or the DPRK or the NYT.
When is the Intercept going to get a Like button?
I cant read through 1,600 comments.
When it joins the rest of the Internet in treating reasoning, logic and argumentation as best judged in a popularity contest.
Maybe any time now.
maybe it could be a “confirm” button instead of a “like” button
Indeedy, reasoning, logic and argumentatio is just what goes on here. We treat it very seriously, and refuse to trivialize it by subjecting it to popularity contests.
Now, hold on a minute. Turk has a point. Several of the commenters on TI are just about as important, sometimes much more so, than the main article. But the intumescence of the commentary, now approaching 1800 comments, is more than most people have time to scroll through, skip over, waste time on, and ignore the pettiness and name calling, to find the outstandingly informed, droll or off-the-wall opinions.
A suggestion: Just as TI sends out a handful of Editors’ Picks every week, why not do the same for comments. But initially only for the comments following Glenn’s posts because that’s when the first team of commenters explodes off the bench.
The endless banquet that some of you prefer will always be right here. There may others, not necessarily stupid or catering to short attention spans––just short of time and a little impatient––who would appreciate a much richer sampler menu.
From the DailyBeast:
I imagine Microsoft will let them keep a few …
The implacable CraigSummers with Sauce Hollywoodaise:
very original and quite tasty. :)
Politics makes strange bedfellows, Doc. Or maybe it’s not that strange in your case. “Nuf said” has a long history on these threads of insensitivity toward Jews like:
“……….You wonder why the world had Jews wearing Yellow Stars 200 years before Hitler dolled them out?……”
Even Mona has called him an antisemite on numerous occasions. He has never been subtle about his bigotry so you must have known that. How long did you remind me about “brownies” when I was clearly being sarcastic? The alt-left condones if not encourages anti-Jewish bigotry while regularly calling people racist. The hypocrisy (and insensitivity) is breathtaking.
Keep up the good work Doc.
“Even Mona has called him an antisemite on numerous occasions.”
“Even -Mona- …”
WTF is rattling about your skull.
-Mona- is responsible for the ‘Comments Policy’ now in place. She did not develop it; it was developed to deal with her constant character assassination.
I’d discuss the historical aspect of the Yellow Star, relative to Israel’s current “Jews Only” policies and Israel’s disproportionate influence on America, but …
You lack the ability to reason without contortion and confusion, in my opinion.
Your long-winded posts are not in a user-friendly format. This behavior is not inconsistent with my former observation.
Not even sort of. It was developed because I and other regulars begged for it. We threatened to pick up our toys and leave if it didn’t start.
You know this and whined about the separate site many of us were contemplating (and still may be).
And by the way, the current moderating practices are temporary and stop-gap. They caused some problems, meant to control people like you, but the terms they put in the filter ended up keeping out valid comments from many, especially those writing about Israel and/or Jews. Something new will reportedly come in a month or so.
Or so Glenn and other TI staff say.
That should read: “Especially Mona.” Indeed, I reported a “joke” about Jews and lampshades last week or so, which was promptly deleted and the miscreant went silent until the last day or two. He may be working around a ban now that he’s reappeared.
Don’t listen to Craig. I also agree with nuf on occasion when he merits it.
Consoling DocHollywood is not going to help. He is just obsessed with my posts – and says stupid things. At any rate, the Intercept policy on antisemitism should be interesting. You reject the European definition, but now the Intercept is coming up with its own definition. I will be watching with extreme skepticism on how its defined.
Thanks.
Nope, to my knowledge there is no such thing.
D3S (dangerously deep deepstate) is the next level of threat
its reserved for stuff like the defense department and the dmv
deepstate is bad enough, thats like parking and marriage licenses
but D3S with IC may be too much for trump and the justice league
After the election results were in, CNN had a county level map of the US with the standard red/blue color coding for the votes.
It was really startling … the whole country was red, with blue concentrations in the urban centers.
The democrats are in a huge and obvious state of denial about the very obvious philosophical rift between urban and rural America.
And the electoral college showed that, as our constitution intended, the numerical majority cannot always dictate election results.
Instead of engaging the truth, we instead get to watch otherwise intelligent people go on and on about PuTInZ cyBerz , or Trump porking a russian prostitute on some dirty-tricks vhs tape.
“We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States.”
– Barack Obama
But the numerical majority SHOULD determine election results, as they do in every other democracy around the world. I don’t think what just transpired is what the founders intended with the electoral college.
you are wrong
Stalin, Hitler and Mao all “had balls.” Civil libertarians generally find that to be utterly insufficient, and often affirmatively dangerous, in a leader.
That was supposed to be in reply to Carol, right below.
Simple statements from a blue collar Trump supporter: Why the barrage of ill to Trump? He built an empire, raised good children, wants good things for this country. How could anyone want a hillary as President compared to Trump? Let us dismantle her seedy, dishonest, illegal history and place that along side Donald Trump’s background. No comparison. Yes, he has made mistakes and is rough around the edges. He has balls. This is encouraging and great to see and hear.
Enjoyed your interview on Carlson. I had no idea of the CIA supporting hillary and what you bought to light.
One doesn’t have to support Clinton to recognize that Trump is a vile racist bigot, which fact, unfortunately, makes him a good fit for white, patriotic United Snakes Americans.
I’ll take an obvious bigot like Trump over the crypto-bigots like Hillary and Anderson Copper who fully supported Bill Clinton’s killing of 1 million Iraqi children under the age of 5.
madeleine albright thought the sanctions were worth it, women’s rights are human rights but with children’s rights your mileage may vary
interesting projection there
“The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest.”
I am having a problem finding a list of these numerous and serious dangers. Would this sentence have worked just as well eight years ago: “The serious dangers posed by an Obama presidency are numerous and manifest.” They were and I was aware of them before he even got elected. But I was in a lonely crowd. Looking back I hope a larger group can see them. Remembering 2008 there was a happy looking forward to the Obama Presidency on the part of most. Then what happened? If history has any logic, all this in my opinion unmerited fear of Trump will be followed by some embarrassment as things fail to fall apart. In any case I would like to see a list of the grave dangers we face during a Donald Trump Admin.
Jeff Sessions. The federal courts, especially SCOTUS. Those are just a few of the dangers Trump poses to any with a civil libertarian bone in their body.
Don’t forget to mention the potential havoc Trump could cause in Palestine, Mona.
There’s a great deal of truth to that. With Jared Kushner to be directing U.S. Israel policy, the dominant, in-control far right in Israel is delighted. Settlements now have a green light. It’s great short term for Zionists, but in the longrun it puts BDS on steroids and will accelerate worldwide opposition to Israel, now to be seen as part of opposing Donald Trump.
Maybe Trump will help boost BDS, but it still will not be successful. Let’s also not forget that the alt-left absolutely hated HRC for her “fealty” to Israel – so, indirectly, threw their support behind Trump because they thought he might be neutral on the issue. Alt-lefties detested HRC which is why Assange helped Trump get elected – on a wing and a prayer I might add! HRC might look pro-Palestinian by the time Trump is done.
Thanks.
Be very specific, please. After eight years of Obama and his disdain for the Constitution the “dangers” you point to seem fairly minor. Sessions strikes me as a very smart, experienced and fine person. And my guess is that the replacement for Scalia will be a better person than he was. Of course I may be wrong as seeing into the future is apt to give eye strain.
You’re a typical Trump supporter. The entire 3rd branch of government being turned to the far right, and a racist horror such as Sessions as AG, are of no concern to you. Exactly the kind of politically illiterate specimen common to the Trump fold.
The one bright spot is Trump’s almost certain putting BDS on steroids and causing opposition to Israel’s apartheid regime to take on a a whole new level of legitimacy and power. Craig Summers engages in wishful thinking, i.e., that nothing can undo his favorite ethno-religious supremacist state. History says he’s wrong, and Trump will hasten the end.
Actually, there is a second bright spot. If people thought Black Lives Matter was a factor before, just wait. It will grow and blossom (as will associated violence, which will have both good and bad effects). Race in America is going to be a huge issue, with the right side gaining a lot of energy and an edge, as far more are forced to take sides.
Not much has been said about Trump’s choice of Betsy DeVos for Ed Secy. This woman has eviscerated public education in Michigan through her dark money tactics and lobbying effects. She has no experience in public education, has never been a teacher or administrator and wants to privatise schools into for-profit centers that will and have drained millions of dollars from the public coffers. She is a right winged religious supporter and wants to force prayer and religion into schools. Look at Detroit’s school system and you get an idea of why DeVos is dangerous, since she has had a huge influence on the siphoning of money away from high-needs students and schools and into the pockets of charters. She alone is reason to oppose Trump but of course there are many many other reasons including Ben Carson, Tillerson, Bannon, Flynn…..just to name a few. DeVos is also the sister of Eric Prince whom any regular Intercept reader knows was the CEO of Blackwater (see Jeremy Scahill’s book for a concise rundown on the billions that company siphoned off the back of taxpayers) and you will get a chill up your spine when all the pieces of the puzzle are put together.
It has been great fun goading the alt-right morons with questions about this report though. “But don’t you think it would be dangerous if Trump WAS being blackmailed by Putin?” “Don’t you think our country should at least LOOK INTO this?” “Don’t you CARE about your COUNTRY???” “What can it hurt to GET THE FACTS???? What are you AFRAID OF??????”
The whole thing is right out of the Alex Jones Grand Conspiracy Theory cookbook. What caught the Trump people by surprise was that this time the recipe was used by their enemies.
Anybody with a grain of sense knows how to incorporate unsubstantiated reports into their understanding of “reality.” It’s entertainment, not news. News is Michael Flynn’s violations of the Logan act.
I agree with some of the points here (the media being manipulated by the CIA / Democrats with unsubstantiated intelligence only plays into Trump’s hands and is in no way good for American democracy), but I think you’ve missed some basic issues. Yes, the CIA may have supported Clinton and may be trying to fight dirty now. But the FBI supported Trump and fought dirty before the election. So I’d say the intelligence agencies are pretty well split politically.
And your argument that the people have spoken and elected Trump, and thus the intelligence agencies need to stay out of it, is undermined by the belief that the people haven’t been allowed to speak through the election (bear in mind Clinton won the popular vote, if not the electoral college game) and that it seems pretty clear the FBI and Putin were trying to interfere in the outcome. (I know Republicans who think that’s a great thing, and Democrats who are aghast, but in both cases those people seem to be taking the interference as highly plausible.) I’m the furthest thing from a conspiracy theorist, but I don’t think Russian meddling in foreign elections is very far-fetched. (I also read the German media and was living there through last summer; the German government has been worried about Russian interference in the 2017 elections for many months now, even well before the U.S. election outcome.)
Another interesting point for me has been that whether or not anything in the latest leak is actually true, Trump’s so bat-s*** crazy that no one questions it too much, because it *could* be true. It’s easier to put forth this stuff about Trump because there’s nothing in his behavior or history that would automatically discredit it.
I see. So we are to collectively get our knickers in a twist because Donald Trump may have once paid a Russian sex worker for a pee party?
Hillary Clinton did not lose the election to Donald Trump because of either the FBI or Russians, not even if Vladimir Putin personally ordered the email hacks and himself submitted the trove to Wikileaks: 1. She lost to Donald Trump!! A man who, going into office, has historically low approval ratings and sky high negatives, and 2. The Democratic Party is in the toilet at all levels, federal, state and municipal, which is no one’s fault but the Democrats themselves.
Of so, so, right!
These orgs shouldn’t be political at all! First of all, the FBI is a policing organization. Do you think it’s okay for Democrats to go free and Republicans to go to jail for same crime? All are equal (or should be anyways) before the law.
This is true for any normal private citizen. But for policing entities and those that serve wthin them, this is a slippery slope. Government agencies such as FBI and CIA are supposed to serve the civilian authority. By the mere fact that they would object to either political party is to state that they would not serve the government fairly or justly 50% of the time.
Would you advocate the fire department to put out fires of Republican homes and let Democrats homes burn as an example?
“Would you advocate the fire department to put out fires of Republican homes and let Democrats homes burn as an example?”
Give me a list first.
I can’t imagine where millions of people got the idea that the Democrats weren’t on their side.
So your saying Sanders hurt the Dem party by pointing out that Dems voted against a perfect bill for reasons that can be debunked by a child?
Praps because they’re thinking of establishment Democrats. Bernie ain’t one of them… cf. Corey Booker.
The way I look at it is that El Poder (the Power), as they say in Latin and South America, has been itching for a confrontation with Russia in order to consolidate the US’s hegemony around the world. My feeling is that if Trump doesn’t come around they’ll bounce him one-way or another. Don’t get me wrong here, I detest Trump and everything he stands for, but it seems pretty clear to me that this whole rigmarole is trumped up (pun intended) with hardly any solid proof, only innuendo. Trump is clearly out of his element here, and he is proceeding on the assumption that he’s actually in charge. The corporate/military complex (our version of El Poder) won’t allow it.
Why didn´t the CIA/ NSA come out with this stuff BEFORE the US elections? Now it looks like they are trying to bias the election outcome, a mission normally reserved for only the FIS, Mossad or the Chinese MSS.
How can they bias the election by coming out with it AFTER the election?
On the other hand the FBI ‘s director did influnence the election.
That the Gulf royals co opted and assisted Obama was clear after his kneeling for the Saudi king. The Bushes were also neck deep into Gulf oil (Bin Laden family!) as the Clintons in Gulf donations.
I haven seen Trump kneeling before Putin yet.
the guardian reports on the latest “threat”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/13/c-span-interrupted-by-russian-news-channel-rt#comment-91090558
it has become a joke of a paper.
The Graun is so obviously biased in their choice of authors, comment on/off, editorials etc. that it has become nauseating. I don even want to see its demise day by day. Don´t even lurk there.
I’ve only glanced at the headlines, but it is monumentally silly and the height of ignorance for the media to pay serious attention to this, at all.
If, as appears to be the case, the interruption affected the C-Span feed across all of the cable networks that carry the channel, it is virtually certain that C-Span, itself, mixed up the feeds.
Somewhere, in a network operations center, a bunch of C-Span techs sit around monitoring various networks and, in a few cases, their own feeds (as is the case with congressional hearings). At any given moment, a director may tell the techs to patch one feed or another into the C-Span output. If someone pushes the wrong button/flips the wrong switch/types the wrong command/clicks the wrong icon, the “wrong” feed goes out over the C-Span channel.
And it keeps occupying the channel until someone returns from coffee break or looks up from her crossword puzzle and notices that they have been streaming RT instead of Maxine Waters.
Or maybe a viewer in Peoria called his cable company and the local techies called C-SPan and said, “Hey! Do you guys know. . .”
Apparently US wants its next war w/ Russia; it’s been on a waiting list; but I believe Mattis may have just shortlisted them yesterday during the hearing. Nothing the news media does will stop this war machine.
The preposterousness of this fake news about Trump and the Russians shows those behind it are a bit unhinged. A theory. Could they be over doing the cocaine? Too far fetched?
Greenwald in October re: the Podesta emails: “Once the journalist has confidence in the authenticity of the material, the only relevant question is whether the public good from publishing outweighs any harm. And if the answer to that question is “yes,” then the journalist has not only the right, but the absolute duty, to report on it.”
Greenwald today:
“yesterday…the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts, and salacious private conduct…It’s almost impossible to imagine a scenario where it’s justifiable for a news outlet to publish a totally anonymous, unverified, unvetted document filled with scurrilous and inflammatory allegations..”
By Greenwald’s October logic, why is there any problem with Buzzfeed or CNN reporting on the existence of a dossier that they have come into contact with? They qualified their reporting by letting the public know that the claims in the dossier are unsubstantiated: no one is disputing or omitting that fact. However, in my opinion, the story is also about the simple fact that such a dossier exists, and that the claims can potentially be substantiated. We are, after all, talking about the highest office in the most powerful nation in the world. The fact that this dossier even exists is newsworthy, and thereby meets the standards Greenwald set forth back in October.
The DNC/Podesta emails are authentic documents of people at the apex of the US political system.
The dirt scraped up by the ex MI6 freelancer is hearsay.
I could create a “dossier” in five minutes containing allegations from my imaginary Russian friends that Trump is a robot controlled by Martians.
Is my dossier’s existence also newsworthy?
That “ex M16 freelancer” was found credible by US intelligence and has a strong reputation in the spook field.
You have this exactly right –
When I learned that the NY Times and media establishment had this story since late summer 2016, I immediately thought that it was an echo of the NYT holding the Bush spying story until after the election.
In fact, the dossier was widely discussed inside beltway circles among media and political strategists. The only ones that didn’t know were us rubes, The People.
It seems those putting out these ridiculous allegations are a bit unhinged, one contributary factor of which could possibly be over dosing on cocaine. Is that too far fetched?
Watching the liberals, neocons and media implode all at once is glorious. I have never been so happy in my life.
it is scary at the same time, but yes, there are moments that are comically glorious.
Why is progressive leftist media so afraid of Glenn Greenwald?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/13/glenn-greenwald-democrats-hoping-intelligence-agencies-will-undermine-and-subvert-trump-presidency.html
Only on FOX.
As Greenwald himself just tweeted to a Democrat giving hims shit for appearing on Fox:
Morons like you also invert the criticism.
Wondering why my fairly LONG comment from yesterday does not appear?
It’s the notable epitomy (perpetration of USA fabrication of false news to peddle and FOMENT false perception) of unsubstantiated and [to revere, venerate] substantiated falsehood for/as [worst than quasi] credence and authenticity.
— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
Who is still singing the land of the free? Disgusting is short. The establishment their puppets and their mocking bird operatives want the entire USA united in false perception as truth is why is going to be worst than all kosher dictatorship combined while chanting “in the land of the free and free press while subverting it at every turn.
Looks like you are waking up Glenn (that’s great) and tell Edward Snowden the corrupt establishment do not want anyone to expose and denounce their secret wickedness modus operandi of the novus ordos seclorum (to hack any person private details) which is repugnant as they are cloaked in democracy and chanting the land of the free while subverting it in a free an open society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS8yZnevvRk
_”Watch Kremlin-Backed Russia Today Take Over C-SPAN’s Feed (Video)“_
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/watch-kremlin-backed-russia-today-over-c-span-221702255.html
“At 2:30 p.m. on Thursday, Representative Maxine Waters was on the floor of the House of Representatives, arguing for the importance of the Securities and Exchange Commission.
““At this time,” Ms. Waters, Democrat of California, said, “with a bill that would basically take our cop on the block, the S.E.C., and literally obliterate ——”
“Alas, politics junkies, news editors and anyone else who was watching the broadcast online did not learn how that sentence ended. Ms. Waters was cut off. Instead, they heard the jangling music of a feed from RT, a state-run Russian television network that has been accused of helping its government interfere in the American election.”
-the New York Times
I’m not sure that I see this as an attack on Trump. If the information is true, and the information was being used to blackmail Trump, then by releasing the information to the public, the information looses its value as blackmail material.
While it might be momentarily embarrassing, in the long term revealing the information frees Trump from the information’s influence.
Best take.
“C.I.A. Nominee Says He Won’t Balk at Seeking Russian Intelligence”, nytimes.com:
“Of all the arms of the government, the C.I.A. is particularly sensitive to slights from the president. It considers itself the eyes and ears of the president around the world, and it prides itself on being above politics (although that is an ideal that is at times more aspirational than many at the agency readily acknowledge). Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, it has also expanded far beyond its core mission of espionage with a campaign of drone strikes and paramilitary operations against militants in the Middle East and Central Asia.
“Leon E. Panetta, a former C.I.A. director, called Mr. Trump’s public berating of America’s spies ‘very dangerous.’ … He said the rift could tarnish the credibility of intelligence analysis and hurt morale at C.I.A. headquarters.
“Will Hurd, a former C.I.A. clandestine officer and now a Republican representative from Texas, said that Grizzly Steppe, the American code name given to Russia’s efforts to disrupt the 2016 election, had worked. ‘Russian intelligence will consider “Grizzly Steppe” to be their most successful covert action operation because it created a wedge, whether real or perceived, between the U.S. president, intelligence community and the American public,’ he said.”
It was the Republicans especially Jeb Bush that first requested this investigation into Trump, then after the primaries the Democrats joined in. After seeing Greenwald on Fox news I really lost all respect for him. Where there is smoke there’s fire. Trump is a dirty guy it is only a matter of time before the truth comes out about him.
“‘Yes We Can’ was a slogan that accompanied banners emblazoned with the solar symbol held aloft by adherents of the far right wing Barack Obama.” -from A History of the Early 21st Century, second printing 2057
attention TI
this presentation format needs to be replaced
you are at your limits
you are at the end of growth on comments
system resources time out
change already please
also please init a +/- dealie as follows; sort by + count, sort by – count, sort by total count, sort by difference in scores.
I GUARANTEE IT.
True. Browser gets really slow as the comments accumulate. Too much HTML + JavaScript to parse & execute for a single web page. Should break it up.
How the hell do ai find my thread and the responses to it related to this article?
“Not only was its author anonymous, but he was paid by Democrats (and, before that, by Trump’s GOP adversaries) to dig up dirt on Trump.”
The author is no longer anonymous, his name is Christopher Steele, a former British MI6 agent. He’s gone into hiding, fearing for his life. I wonder if Putin will poison him like he did with Alexander Litvinenko?
i read that this loser live in a mansion, lotsa money
cia did drug running for money
these spooky jerks are just criminals using agencies for protection for their organised crime activities
cia now one large racketeering out – dealing in extortion and blackmail, and hit jobs
competing with the mossad to corrupt overtake and run contries by blackmail extortion and murder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Sb5myARnY
these criminal outfits need to be DEFUNDED. put to sleep. deep sixed. bankrupted. closed for business.
“fearing for his life”=not wanting to have to back up the dodgy dossier in interviews. i guess it sounds more dramatic than wanting to spend more time with his family.
So, he fears for his life when the memo he wrote is published in January of 2017. His life would have been in danger had the memo been published in October or September of 2016! Or then he simply is not inclined to answer questions on his rather childish memo, especially since Trump won. I have read the memo and I am pretty sure that he expected Hillary Clinton to win when he wrote it, meaning that he would never be taken to task for the outrageous claims he makes.
Saw your interview with Carlson tonight; immediately went to your site and read your article. While I may not agree with your politics, I certainly will not fault you for your professional journalistic acumen. A powerful and needed piece. Journalism isn’t quite dead yet; you just proved that point. Perhaps some of your colleagues may want to take heed.
“The threat of being ruled by unaccountable and unelected entities is self-evident and grave. ”
Ironically, this is the lifeblood of progressive ruling strategy through and through.
James Clapper said today that the synopsis (of the Golden Rain dossier) was included in the Trump briefing because “part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.”
And he’s absolutely correct, precisely for the stated reason, in having done so.
I wanted to say something else. I posted this article in a Facebook group. A fellow commented, “Holy shit! I almost forgot what real journalism looks like. This should be required reading by all Americans.”
Most news places sat on this file for weeks and weeks, which is what they should have done while looking into it. But as soon as word comes out it was given to the President and Trump in a briefing it’s fair game.
Is Glenn actually suggesting the media hide information it has and knows the president has from the public?
Stuff like this is why I don’t trust Greenwald. Too much hypocrisy is bad for any “journalist”.
One of the best (the best?) journalists of our time. Thank you, Glenn Greenwald.
Glenn is like the child in school who doesnt say a word when the bully is pushing around the other kids, but once another kid fights back, he runs and tattles to the teacher
Excellent article! However Mr. Greenwash portrays BuzzFeed, Vox and other outlets as though they are “useful fools” latching onto obviously fake intelligence reports for ideological reasons. I think this is a mistake. Like the Washington Post and New York Times, BuzzFeed and Vox are part of the deep state intelligence apparatus run by the liberal imperialists and neocon regime change fanatics on behalf of a very desperate (and thus dangerous) financial oligarchy who see the growing economic and military strength of the Asian nations, led by Russia and China, as a threat to their global empire. The onrushing collapse of the Wall Street and European banking system increases the danger of some wild US/NATO military provocation, 9-11 type terrorist attack or assassination(s) such as the Karlov assassination in Turkey. (Trump would be an obvious target.) But to get back to the main point, BuzzFeed, Vox and of course CNN are nothing but propaganda tools of the oligarchy, not ideological fools.
How effortlessly does progressive leftist Salon.com alum Jake Tapper combine with more globalist-fortified corporate progressive leftist media ABC and CNN.
ABC and CNN are “progressive leftist” only in the mind of a hallucinating case like you, you who thinks Adolph Hitler was a man of the left.
ABC and CNN love to push Climate Change, and gun control, and fuzzy borders, and volks, er, folks, and medical experiments and population control.
Admit that when someone founded a Socialist Workers Party, National as in NARAL, that progressives flocked to it. (Then later embarrassedly said he wasn’t theirs same as their successors used the same playbook, chapter and verse, to claim Obama wasn’t really theirs either.)
Mona, you’re pathetic.
Actually they don’t. But they should.
As for this:
You’re a deranged freak who has promoted this as fine, intellectually sound literature.
Very well written. Just saw you on Carlson. I am a Deplorable Trump supporter and I wish nothing but the best for everyone with the new administration. When I heard all this, I felt the same way. Each day there is a new assault, whether democratic or republican. I do believe the powers that be are continuous in trying to corrupt this election. And this presidency. They are trying to set stages for failure, blaming each other. It eventually will destroy us as we will turn on each other in the end. Here’s to the good fight. I hope your not right, but again, very well written.
So, if the intelligence community didn’t want Trump to win, then why in the world would they have not released this dossier prior to the election? They had it for months didn’t they?
Also, why would they let Comey break FBI protocol and go after HIllary right before the election?
Doesn’t add up. Also, the author is making suppositions about the community without any hard evidence … which is exactly what he’s accusing them of doing to Trump (despite BBC and other agencies having sources agreeing with Dossier )
Exactly right.
In addition to the dossier being widely available since late summer 2016, the Obama and Trump briefing was provided to 8 members of Congress on the Intelligence oversight Cmte.’s
Ford stays. Carrier stays. Toyota on tariff notice. Boeing told it won’t be paid for overpriced AF1s. F35 program to be shared among potential price competitor. Pharma pricing under the microscope.
All as a direct result of Trump’s scrutiny, even before taking office. Trump is the bad man.
Obama giggled as he chased American jobs away in order to hasten Cloward-Piven and globalism and SDRs.
Glenn Greenwald: Democrats Are Losing Again Amid Putin Frenzy, today on WNYC.
Another 11 minutes of Glenn’s patented clarity — with the dogs just audible in the background. ;^)
GG was a guest on Tucker Carlson’s show twice in two months? Or am I experiencing deja vu? Seems he was on yesterday. Well, at east Tucker does give him an uninterrupted space of time in which to speak unlike some hosts with whom GG has appeared, hosts who get argumentative and keep interrupting.
When the most sympathetic establishment interviewer for Greenwald is from Fox rather than MSNBC, well, that rather encapsulates all that’s wrong with liberals/Democrats.
There’s nothing ironic about the left’s hatred of Russia: the latter moved away from collectivism.
You’re hallucinating again.
This dossier is reported to have been floating around for months among journalists and others. No one really knew what it was, who wrote it, or where it came from. It was completely unsubstantiated, unverified, uncorroborated. At that point, it may as well have been a work of complete fiction. Then, this was attached to a report prepared by top US intelligence officials and presented Obama, Trump, and the Gang of Eight. This fact is leaked to CNN through unnamed sources. At that point, this becomes transformed from something of no journalistic value to something newsworthy. Buzzfeed, who apparently had been sitting on this report, realizes what it has and publishes it. The substance of the report is unverified, but there is no apparent dispute that this is indeed the authentic dossier, a portion of which was presented to Obama, Trump, etc. Then unnamed sources begin leaking details about its author; his name, his past experience as a former MI6 agent, him being a former FBI asset for decades, and having a reputation among the intelligence community to be credible based on his past work, etc. In essence, US Intel has outed the author with the specific intent and purpose to give as much credence to the substance of the dossier as possible. The author, who may ultimately lose his life over this, is forced underground.
This dossier was reported to have been funded first by anti-Trump republicans and later by the democrats. I wonder if HRC and the DNC had this in their possession before the election? Who had it? When?
It behooves US Intel to find Mr. Steele and question him regarding his sources. And the information should be made public in the most transparent way possible.
This is why you’re a big part of the very small group of great journalists in America, Mr. Greenwald! Thank you.
This has all the hallmarks of a CIA-Neocon operation:
It is imbecilic, it is crude, it is evident.
You can’t fake this stuff -it’s their signature.
Having said that, this will bring about two results:
– It will fail in its intended purpose.
– It will cause chaos.
For the rest of us this is popcorn time. Here, a puzzle:
Which is worse -going to war with Iraq on fake intel, or going to war with Russia on fake intel?
Agree with Glenn.
The Democrats’ Conspiracy Theory
https://politicalfilm.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/the-democrats-conspiracy-theory/
What journalism – to use a great evil to undermine a perceived lesser evil – rhetoric 101. The last good Republican President warned America about the great danger faced by US democracy vis a vis the military industrial complex. The threat Dwight D Eisenhower described is existential compared to the threat Mr Trump presents . By juxtaposing the two shadow concepts a) the deep state b) Mr. Trump receiving help from his Russian handler’s: most people’s attention will shift to the historically proven (as much as you can proof anything in history) deep state = military industrial complex. The aim of this piece of … journalism is to shift attention. Methinks the ‘journalist’ Greenwald doth protest too much.
Perhaps the dark deep state is at work for Mr. Trump (without evidence it is hard to know) – but so what. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive neither are they logically bound together. Maybe (most likely) the deep state is working to shine a dark light on Mr. Trump. Maybe Mr. Trump acted as he has in the past and broke the rules.
It is just that this time when he broke the rules rather than hurting just black renters (telling his apartment managers to not rent to black people); this time when he broke the rules accepting help from his big brother Vladimir Putin, his victim is the United States of America.
Is his victim the United States, or the American plutocracy?
Well, no.
The aim of this piece is to show how the Deep State works with establishment media to turn people into credulous zombies, willing to accept even the most preposterous lies, half-truths and narratives. As well as to create Russia as the Supreme Villain in the political landscape, who is responsible for Hillary Clitnon’s failure to take the crown, as well as the Zika virus, and teenage acne.
Since I have never before posted on The Intercept, let me introduce myself by saying that I supported and voted for Bernie in the primary and reluctantly voted for HRC in the general, along with a straight democratic vote. I’m not a lifelong democrat, I evolved into one as the republican party moved further and further to the right and allowed itself to be controlled by religious fanatics. I eschew all religion, and consider religion, from its inception, to be the biggest hoax and greatest evil ever perpetrated on the human race.
With that being said, I would like to pose a couple of questions to many of those posting here:
1) What exactly is wrong with wanting better relations with Russia? Antagonistic relations with Russia profits no one but the MIC. As regards Crimea – Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine, Putin took it away from them. So what? Crimea held an election wherein the citizens of that area made a decision as to where their allegiances lie. Who are we to criticize the outcome of a democratic election where people have voted for self-determination?
Putin reacted to European troops massing on Russia’s borders. Let us not forget that Europeans have a bad habit of invading Russia, and the last time it was at the cost of approximately 30 million Russian lives.
I have visited Russia on numerous occasions, and have discovered that, for the most part, Russians are quite cordial and quite amiable to Americans. Why do so many Americans insist upon trying to make enemies of people who would rather be our friends? There is also the fact that Russians, by and large, relish American made products, primarily because the inherent quality of same. Russia could be great trading partner for us, and a giant market for our products.
2) What exactly is wrong with wanting Europe to pay for its own defense? European nations are able to offer many social services, like excellent healthcare, to their citizens. One of the main reasons they have the resources to do this is because American taxpayers subsidize their defense. NATO is no longer necessary and if we were to cut our defense budget by what we spend defending wealthy European nations we could divert that money towards rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and providing more services for our own citizens.
Very sensible post. I hope you stick around. The first comment here is held to make sure it isn’t, e.g., commercial spam, but the rest should immediately post. I sincerely hope we hear more from you.
Does anyone actually think that Trump was elected without the help of Putin/Russia? If you do, the tooth fairy is going to leave you some money under your pillow tonight.
Quote from Theodore Roosevelt, while in office:
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Speaking of secret foreign influence on democracy check this out:
It’s causing a bit of a stir.
This one is fun, it’s all about Zionism and anti-semitism.
causing a bit of a stir where? in the UK? Nobody knows about it on this side of the Atlantic. Thanks for the link to part 2.
Drumpf is NOT duly elected. He only “won” the election because of the electoral college, which got created to maintain slavery.
The talking orange may offer lip service to better relations with Russia, but you can bet money that he’ll anger Moscow almost immediately (never mind that he endorsed the invasion of Iraq).
Just let us know which other provisions of the Constitution you find fatally flawed and we’ll erase them for you.
Sheesh. ;^)
lee: “screw that whole piece of paper”
You’re the kind of person that’s going to ensure that the democrats lose again, and again, and again.
Accept your loss. Come to terms with the fact than an Orangutan beat your Queen, whom you wanted to anoint. She lost because she’s the worst politician under the sun. She lost because she has no connection whatsoever with the average person.
It’s not difficult for me to say that Trump is a total idiot. But Hillary is even worse. She’s dumber than sand.
Take your medicine. Stop crying.
AiC, on that one point I am certain you are very wrong: Hillary Clinton is many things, but stupid is decidedly not one of them. She’s extremely smart, and calculating. No, her problem — aside from her policy history — is not being at all personable.
Tell me how she’s smart. What has she ever done? What are her accomplishments, other than being elected or appointed to public office? What has she done that has been smart or intelligent, that has affected anybody’s life in a positive way?
There is more intelligence and depth in a single probing question by Elizabeth Warren, than the totality of HRC’s career, in my opinion. But point me to the evidence that says otherwise and I’ll shut up.
Hillary Clinton by all reports was a very smart lawyer — she did, after all, make it into Yale Law School, and served as the first female head of Legal Services. Her tenure at State was smart if one grants her her beliefs and premises — which you and I avidly do not. She is a fierce debater and does well in that format. Very quick on her feet.
You could say nearly the same things about Trump.
Um, no.
Umm, yup. No.
I mean, you could say the same things about Trump, but you’d be wrong. ;^)
Trump can’t hold a candle to HRC’s intellect and ability to debate. Which makes it even more humiliating that she lost to him. Either Sanders or Biden would have beaten Trump — virtually anyone but her would have.
Of course, on a one on one level, on most issues, Hillary would be a more interesting conversationalist. But Trump also went to Wharton, and is pretty quick on his feet, and handled himself just fine with Hillary during the debates. It’s not like either one of them told the truth about anything.
My point is, I just don’t buy this whole “Hillary is smart” bullshit. It seems to me like one of those things, which becomes true because everybody in the media repeats it. I just couldn’t find anything that she’s done that’s “smart.” And while everybody, and I mean everybody disagrees with me, nobody ever points out what she ever did, that was “smart.” Lots of people go to Ivy League schools. Half the kids at any Ivy League school, are complete idiots, legacy kids, or children of rich or powerful people. Of course the other half are smart. But half the kids are like Trump and Bush. What brilliant legal case did she ever work on? What the hell is she famous for other than being Hillary Clinton? Trump is an idiot, no doubt. But this Hillary=smart thing is total bullshit.
Hillary, like Obama, has proven themselves to be not very politically smart.
Sure, they were able to navigate the neoliberal/neocon morass that each contributed to and benefited from; but unlike, for example, Bernie Sanders, they haven’t, and never had, a politically smart message that would resonate with a majority of Americans – nor, either one, the ability to use their voice and their bully-pulpit to create or motivate their fellow citizens – unlike Bernie.
Bernie showed that the voters were already here – while Hillary, Obama (and the DNC) were abysmally absent.
I think Obama proved that in terms of long term politics, yeah, he’s a fool. But when it came to campaigning or marketing for himself, I have to say he was pretty good. I was totally, totally sold. There was a time I absolutely loved him. And now I can’t stand him. That’s all I know.
Hillary really has been particularly obtuse. She seems like she doesn’t have a political bone in her body. Maybe it was the years of republican bullying that shut her off. I don’t know. But by the time of the election, it seemed that she was more interested in what Wall St thought of her, than what she wanted to do for people. And it was evident. It was so uninspiring. Such dumb politics.
Bernie Sanders would have been such a gift. What a missed opportunity. All because of the corruption of the DNC. These people should be jailed.
Yes, Obama was definitely the better salesman. That said, in the end, neither could speak to the American people in a way that was genuine and verifiable.
Of course, politics isn’t hard science, per se, but most folks, particularly millennials, recognized that what Bernie were was positions and actual deeds showing results that were consistent and verifiable over a long period of time, something both Hillary and Obama simply couldn’t do.
The Clintons built the biggest money-laundering, pay-for-play scheme on the planet. Literally. Their fingers are in everything. Hurricanes? Yep…they call it disaster charity, only they use their foundation as a front for soliciting donations, trafficking human victims of disasters, trafficking children, child pornography, and every other criminal enterprise imaginable. They’ve toppled entire countries…how many killed in Iraq – 1.5 million?
Forget people’s delivery. Look into what they have done.
https://medium.com/real-in-other-words/the-clinton-foundation-stories-18423be590e2#.pkixm8bly
There are links in the article for more damning evidence.
The Clinton Foundation story is one thing. The rightwing’s insane delusions about the Clintons from the 90s are wholly another: “Lesbian Hillary Clinton murdered her lover, Vince Foster.”
First Lady Clinton will have all the time in the world to speak at Goldman Sachs now.
yeah but at a reduced rate.
Her chief handler Huma revealed in the emails she had to be handheld and coached while Secretary of State because she didn’t remember the foreign leaders she was speaking with. Recall she quit the post after suffering what was called a head injury after a fall. She was once very calculating but with age has lost the ability. Too much was invested in her financially and she became essentially an empty pantsuit filled up with special interest baggage.
This electoral slavery college of yours. Did you ever complain about it when it was electing fellow tribe members?
so,, we credit fox for real news? his makes no sense to me.
Good to see BBC’s Newsnight appears to be quite critical of the… erm… ‘quality’ of the Steele/Orbits report. Watch here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25
And Auntie Beeb can hardly be accused of Trumpism. They took Hillary’s Coronation as a given.
The Beeb’s iPlayer screens IP addresses by country and won’t run for IPs out side the UK.
The rest of us either have to go through the hassle of the various schemes that make our requests appear to be from UK addresses or wait for the material to appear elsewhere.
The latest stable Opera browser with free VPN (42.0.2393.94) works well on videos at the BBC site without much hassle, even with the built-in adblock enabled. Opera’s VPN (via SurfEasy) allows you to choose servers in several countries and, important for me, it hits the remarkable maxed-out (for my ISP) 1 Mbs download speed almost all the time.
Thanks! I haven’t looked at Opera for years and had no idea they are providing a free VPN.
I’d holler “keep up!” but I’m much too far behind for you the hear me. ;-)
This is the absolute height of irony. The MSM roundly denounced “Pizza Gate,” just the last month, with NO consideration of the evidence whatsoever. Now this comes around and they do the exact opposite. The partisanship of the MSM has completely betrayed them of any claims to objectivity. This level of hypocrisy has truly rendered them devoid of any credibility.
Hallucinations do not constitute evidence of anything but the fact of hallucinations.
You geniuses have no idea how covert operations and intelligence actually works. There’s a little word called “redundancy” that is used to verify. That’s the same thing that wasn’t allowed to occur in the intelligence for the Iraq War. The issue is that Trump acted in collusion with the Russians to win the presidential election. The only questions are for how long and how it was done. There is also the obvious question of how Trump’s collusion with the Russian violates laws. Trump’s collusion with the Russians started with his plan to embrace purpose-driven political propaganda (fake news) and right-wing conspiracy theories somewhere around 2010. Wars are coming due to Trump’s treason.
There is an important historical analogy to the situation with Trump and the Russians. In 1968, Richard Nixon interfered in peace talks to end the Vietnam War. Nixon’s treasonous activities were discovered by the FBI and other intelligence agencies. LBJ then confronted Republican senator Dirksen in an effort to end Nixon’s sabotage. Nixon’s treason was a well-hidden secret until audio tapes of LBJ were released a couple years ago. (Nixon’s treason was also the reason for Watergate.)
We’re at an amazingly similar point in history that were were in 1969 prior to Nixon’s inauguration. The difference this time is that we know PEEOTUS Donald Trump engaged in treasonous activities to win the presidential election. We just don’t know all the details, and the intelligence agencies might not share what they have that proves, through redundancy, that Donald Trump worked closely with the Russians from 2010 to win the presidential election.
you mean the dragon lady episode?. that was reported a long time ago, in the 60’s or early 70’s i think.
Can you provide links with explanations and evidence supporting your theory that redundancy in intelligence gathering and reporting somehow equals collusion with regards to Trump?
Thus far, I’ve not seen evidence supporting Russia did anything extraordinary here; overtly, collusionally, or otherwise.
As a recent example, there’s plenty of actual evidence in the DNC/Podesta emails that demonstrate actual collusion. With these newest claims, though, not so much.
There is no shred of evidence to backstop any of these wild Trump/Russia assertions. Nor of the empty claim “redundancy” did not occur for the Iraq War deception. In sum, the above appears to be rather transparent, retread propaganda from “The Deep State” as Mr. Greenwald calls it.
Why does Trump hate CNN’s Acosta? Because in his mind he’s a f*****g (racial insult for Italian Americans). Every day from now on for the next 4 years, rampant racism will be normal in Trump World. If you’re an African American reporter in the WH press corps, God help you. If Trump’s pissed at you, he REALLY wants to say n****r, shut the f**k up. But of course his racist flunkies will tell him maybe you shouldn’t do that in this case. So he won’t.
This is standard procedure in a fascist state and a dictator. Regular press briefings. F**k that. I decide WHEN AND WHERE I speak. You do as I say. If you don’t, I’ll get your sorry ass fired. Now, how many multi millionaire corporate news mega superstars are going to fight that? Do you really think that Anderson Cooper will risk his $11 million a year salary for a principle? Of course not.
Except it’s not Italian, Tom. It’s Spanish and Portuguese.
Try again.
italians are a race?
Why won’t the corporate media do their job and report on Trump’s racism, etc.? Because they’re scared to death of him. Anonymous “news star” sources may be quoted in the Post’s Page Six section (“I’m fucking outraged by this!”). But they’re scared that if they piss Trump off, he’ll call their boss and get them fired. All powerful politicians do this all the time. Former House Speaker is a well known functioning alcoholic. Report that and he’ll get your ass fired.
The press gave Trump his power. Now they’ll never accept responsibility for that.
Forgot to add. Former House Speaker Boehner is a well known functioning alcoholic in Washington.
i suspect you can find a lot of articles on trump’s racism in the new york times, the washington post, and the guardian. if you’ve been cut off from all internet or news access for the past year, you might not be aware of it.
Not to mention the New York Daily News. Were you hiding under a rock? (Or just being abjectly disingenuous?)
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+daily+news+trump&espv=2&biw=1085&bih=767&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRj7DUjL7RAhWq6oMKHQSvCXkQ_AUICCgD
Only example of racism was some story from 30 years ago. That’s why the media can’t report on it. Same thing with gays. Nothing to report.
“This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect”
Let’s first note his election would be less contested had he welcomed a vote recount in MI, PA, NV and WI with open arms instead of doing everything he could to torpedo it. I realize how much the word may sound like an oxymoron when associated with the lunatic, but such a recount would have been nothing short of logical considering the hesitation he voiced when still low in the polls as to his intention of conceding his defeat had the outcome been different. And I’m not even mentioning the huge voter suppression Greg Palast claims to have discovered.
This said, if ‘the deep State’ equals ‘the powerful unelected’, it would seem its board of directors would not be limited to intel agencies (one in particular) only : didn’t Eisenhower use a compound adjective ?
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“[T]he Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump […]. What changed was the intelligence community’s resolution to cause this all to become public and to be viewed as credible.”
Throughout your entire article, you assert it is this faction that singlehandedly took the liberty to orchestrate what you describe as a cheap vaudeville. But do you have any evidence of that ? It might as easily have come straight from Brazile’s so-called war room, or even from some oval room… In French, they call that ‘le coup de pied de l’âne’ (‘the donkey kick’)…
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“Th[e unelected faction]’s most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials.”
There are indeed many recent illustrations of this, starting with how fast and passionately they beat the Babylonian drums of war in unison over a decade ago. But isn’t this a counterexample ? You yourself mention the NYT article in which one of the once most fervent zealots of the Iraqi WMD story take their distance from the latest ‘revelations’. Some newspapers went even so far as to caution their readers against a possible manipulation by Drumpf himself in order to avoid embarrassing policy questions (To those, I’d say that if he needs such an elaborate scheme even before taking office, they should brace for impact once he has…).
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“They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.” ”
“such […] obvious shams”
While later in your article you’re calling for an objective review of the document’s many unverified claims, it seems you’ve already preempted its conclusion. But can you tell with 100 % certainty all the allegations are bogus ? Isn’t it possible some are, and some not ? I’d urge you to watch Drumpf’s answers to both BBC journalists’ questions again.
The second question (at the very end) was twofold, which was a dumb move since it allowed him to get away with not answering the first part. Amid the agitation, while some of her equally dumb fame-seeking colleagues were screaming to get the privilege of having the president-elect’s index pointed at them, you could vaguely hear the journalist yell : “what about my first question ?” Clearly, Drumpf was very happy he avoided the guillotine for now. And this is not the reaction of someone who has nothing to hide on this particular topic.
Neither is the very abrupt eight-word answer a man who can’t stop repeating himself and gloating about himself, his team and whatnot gave the first BBC journalist after showing clear physical signs of embarrassment while the question was asked (the only atypical sequence of the entire press conference).
None of this is proof, but in my opinion it should incite journalists to look further, were it only because of “the rather important journalistic caveat “if true” ”…
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“When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless”
Considering how eager a substantial amount of voters were to believe anything coming out of the mouth of this patented liar, one may wonder whether truth still has any significance for them, don’t you think ? All those who didn’t vote for him will remain receptive, “believe me”…
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“All of those policy disputes were debated out in the open; the public heard them; and Trump won.”
This was the most irrational, outlandish, US presidential campaign ever. Like a weather vane, the candidate who supposedly won went any way the wind blew : soft drugs, punishing women for abortions, “draining the DC swamp” and burning bridges with Wall Street were but a few recurring topics in Drumpf’s campaign on which his successive positions were highly incoherent : on some, he suddenly changed his mind during the first part of the masquerade, others he simply abandoned or reversed once elected. And others yet, like his promise to dramatically increase military spending while vowing to stop policing the world were paradoxical from the start. This is not to say honesty is the trademark that got all previous presidents elected, but can you honestly claim this one was elected based on the rationality of his policy proposals ?
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“Chuck Schumer issued a warning to Trump, telling Rachel Maddow that Trump was being “really dumb” by challenging the unelected intelligence community because of all the ways they possess to destroy those who dare to stand up to them”
While for him to say that tends to indicate high-ranking elected politicians have internalized anti-democratic interference (Stay tuned for his upcoming statement about the AIPAC-Mossad connection…), he is (perhaps unwittingly) breaking with the usual newspeak by officially confirming what the public always knew but could not prove, and as such it’s newsworthy.
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“He tried to convince countless media outlets to publish a long memo he had written”
Does this mean he contacted TI as well ? If so, why didn’t you make use of the opportunity to waterboard him a little ?
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“At some point last week, the chiefs of the intelligence agencies decided to declare that this ex-British intelligence operative was “credible” enough that his allegations warranted briefing both Trump and Obama about them, thus stamping some sort of vague, indirect, and deniable official approval on these accusations.”
Once again, as Aristotle would say, don’t mistake (potential) cause for (potential) consequence…
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“If any of the significant claims in this “dossier” turn out to be provably false”
Then still, some other significant claims may be proven right in time. If there is indeed malicious intent on the part of the former MI6 agent leading the charge, nothing prevented him from mixing false allegations with facts, or from giving the latter a change of scenery.
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“The threat of being ruled by unaccountable and unelected entities is self-evident and grave.”
Aside from what I wrote earlier as to who really initiated this setup, I’d say the following :
1/ It is crucial to know how an unstable character like Drumpf will react when under duress. This might have been a first litmus test in that regard.
2/ As much as I abhor all too frequent reductiones ad Hitlerum, the fact His Greatness himself mentioned the nazi regime during his press conference allows me to say that, whether they’re “deep State” or not, people like Count von Stauffenberg may be quite useful at times, provided the threat assessment is genuine, in other words that world peace is at risk.
3/ In no way does this mean I am not fully aware of the perils Eisenhower talked about.
Thank you for such a thoughtfully reasoned and insightful analysis. You have no idea how calming it is to know individuals like you are in the world.
“”his election would be less contested had he welcomed a vote recount in MI, PA, NV and WI with open arms instead of doing everything he could to torpedo it. “”
Gibberish.
In PA and WI (and MI) the recounts were shut down by Dem-appointed, liberal courts.
Trump didn’t have to do bupkis.
Stein’s petitions for a recount were highly symbolic, agreed, but this shouldn’t alter the facts :
WI : “A federal judge has scheduled a hearing for Friday in a lawsuit filed last week by a Trump voter and two super PACs seeking to stop the recount.”
PA : “U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond in Philadelphia on Tuesday scheduled a hearing Friday on the request for a recount. The Republican Party and Trump warned that the case threatens Pennsylvania’s ability to certify its election before the Dec. 13 federal deadline.”
http://fortune.com/2016/12/07/michigan-election-recount-pennsylvania-wisconsin/
MI : “Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel welcomed the federal judge’s ruling.
“This is a victory for the taxpayers and voters of Michigan who can be assured that their vote will count when the state’s electors meet on Dec. 19,” McDaniel said in a statement. “… Jill Stein’s 1 percent temper tantrum cost Michigan taxpayers millions of dollars and would have cost them additional millions of dollars if not for the actions of President-Elect Trump, the Michigan Republican Party, and Attorney General Bill Schuette.”
Schuette echoed the sentiment in a statement.
“In a huge victory for Michigan taxpayers and the rule of law, this recount is stopped. Our state of Michigan judicial system and the State Board of Canvassers protected Michigan taxpayers from a frivolous recount that would have cost millions of more tax dollars a day,” he said.”
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/judge-michigan-recount/95081650/
“Schuette was a delegate to the Michigan Republican conventions in 1972, 1974, and 1982.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Schuette#Political_career
Anyway, I hope you understand this was but a side note in my argument ?…
There was an intelligence report released yesterday that Donald Trump has repeatedly called “fake news”. This report was assembled by what appears to be a private company that was hired to investigate Trump’s relationship with Russia and the role of that relationship in the presidential election.
This is particularly interesting, because there are three specific conspiracy theories that Donald Trump enthusiastically embraced that easily could have been debunked by a similar intelligence report. PEEOTUS Donald Trump enthusiastically claimed that President Obama was born in Kenya, that President Obama was a foreign exchange student in college (from Hawaii) and that Hillary Clinton was asleep at 3am (DC time) during the Benghazi attack. An intelligence report similar to the report about PEEOTUS Trump’s relationship with Russia has certainly been assembled by Republican operatives about the Kenyan birth impossibility and the foreign exchange student from Hawaii impossibility. (The 3am Benghazi thing is impossible because of time zones.) Ironically, we have PEEOTUS Trump calling an intelligence report “fake news” after Trump could have easily requested an intelligence report to explain the impossibility of the conspiracy theories that he enthusiastically embraced. The role of Russia in creating and spreading purpose-driven political propaganda (fake news and conspiracy theories) to put Trump in the White House definitely fills a hole in the logic of Trump’s strategy to become president. PEEOTUS Trump made a radical change in his political views and suddenly embraced bizarre, demonstrably false conspiracy theories. It certainly appears that this strategy may have involved assistance from Russia and its leader, Putin. You’d have to ask a person familiar with election law to explain why what happened may be criminal activity by PEEOTUS Trump. If the report cannot be proven false, this is just the beginning of a horrible time for our nation. It is entirely feasible that PEETOUS Trump or his pal Putin could start a war(s) to distract attention from their criminal activities. If PEEOTUS Trump is allowed to become president, the military must question his commands to act. Our lives depend on it.
You’re missing important questions in this case:
Christopher Steele’s intelligence research firm has been in business for a long time. He’s a MI6 veteran who started it with 3 other former spies. They handle both political and business clients. Have they ever been sued in the past? Is there anything in Steele’s background that could be used against him?
Now Steele is in hiding to protect both himself and his family from possible Russian retaliation. Why would he deliberately damage his personal and professional reputation by publishing lies?
Some news outlets are criticizing this because of mistakes in grammar and spelling. All of Steele’s sources are Russians with probably varying levels of English ability. How many intelligence reports from assets are written with 100 percent perfect grammar and spelling?
Now, FBI Director Comey’s not talking about investigating this. After Hillary, he’s covering his ass.
Let’s assume that these allegations are investigated and proven to be true. Will Trump’s AG Sessions do his job and prosecute? Of course not. How will the public react (aside from the brainwashed die hard Trump followers)? If these are true, Trump has nobody to blame but himself.
steele is in hiding to protect himself from the press. no need to get so dramatic. you don’t know anything about steele’s sources.
Do you have a credible link for all this stuff about the purported travails of Christopher Steele?
There are spelling and grammar mistakes for two obvious reason:
1. The report needed to finished prior to the election.
2. Steele did not use clerical support in any way to create the report for obvious reasons.
Which allegations?
That Trump engaged in “distasteful” sex acts with willing adult sex workers? In Moscow? Do US AGs usually prosecute Americans for engaging in sexual activity in foreign countries (except where it involves children or sex slavery)? Of course not?
That Trump and his people may have communicated with Russians, even Russian officials? That “the Russians” may have provided Trump with opposition research material of some sort (you know, like the material on Trump that Steele was tasked by Trump’s opponents with getting from Russia)? What section of 18 USC does that violate?
It’s neither spelling nor grammar that matter here : nobody cares he misspelled ‘Alfa’ Alpha’. It’s unlikely claims like the alleged fact the Obamas stayed at the Ritz Carlton when visiting Moscow…
@ Scott Hite : the full report Buzzfeed made available goes beyond election day, and so it’s not entirely clear what copy Comey, McCain et al. were given.
Trump ran a campaign based on fake news and conspiracy; it’s only fitting that he have a presidency be comprised of the same filth that put him there. I look forward to finding out every little dirty secrete this unpatriotic piece of shit (trump) is hiding, starting with his taxes. Didn’t he say he would release them?
Interesting article, thanks Glenn. By way of interest, can someone confirm the following article in the Guardian by Nick Hopkins and Luke Harding:-
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author
What strikes me is the Guardian’s article about Steel, which I found extremely bizarre by the way, that failed entirely that not only did Steel work for the GOP and Demos on muck raking but also that this dossier was previously thrown out by editors for being unsubstantiated. I notice that comments were not open for this article. Can anyone confirm the guardian article is about the same personas I’m genuinely surprised such important information could be left out.
The Daily Mail has done a much better job of reporting on Steele.
After his experience with the Bay of Pigs, JFK intended as soon as he could to
smash the CIA into a thousand pieces and to have its functions, to the extent that they were preserved, taken over by the new DIA, newly established in 1961. Unfortunately, he hadn’t been able to carry out this plan before the CIA eliminated him.
Now, Trump’s National Security Adviser is going to be Gen. Michael Flynn, who headed the DIA until the Obama administration fired him, above all for opposing the warhawks’ plans over Syria. Now he is in a new position of power over the whole intelligence establishment. And he knows all the players in DIA and throughout the intelligence community. And the CIA has done everything it can to antagonize the notoriously thin-skinned Trump.
An excellent time to carry out the plan that JFK was unable to.
Techdirt under serious attack
The same lawyers Peter Thiel funded to destroy Gawker are now going after Techdirt.
This odious practice is a prime example of how vast wealth inequality is incompatible with political equality, including the ability to use First Amendment rights such as a free press or free speech.
Pfft. Thought Trump directly threatened BuzzFeed (&, maybe, CNN) during the “Press conference” (scar quote) yesterday.
Freedom of the Press, civil rights, justice and mercy were the things we argued with … President Obama.
*o/t I’m rather surprised at my protege jumping the great boa and into the mystic with this “Deep State” war, sis? … the people on the TV are scary enough!
“creeeak” … the sound of the Trump apocalypse opening the gates of hell.
Yeah, I have to say, Glenn’s using the “Deep State” model did surprise me. But I do not disapprove.
Of course there’s a “Deep State.” The Owners wouldn’t be so silly as to entrust long-term management to short-term political operatives.
It would be a mistake, however, to think that the “Deep State” is more than a bunch of highly-trusted managers and agents. The Owners are, ultimately, in charge.
And, no, they aren’t the Illuminati, not monolithic, not without fractures and schisms, not without the occasional fight to the death. But they are the Owners.
Do these owners have names? Can you point to one of these fights to the death?
maisie might be happy at last … maybe./
Don’t count on it. She’s not exactly a ray of sunshine. ;)
She is definitely a ray of sunshine! If half of her generation were half as bright as Maisie, we would be leaving the world in capable hands.
She just has a rather stubbornly narrow view of the Deep State — and she get a little grumpy sometimes. But, hey! If, at her age, I’d had to work two or three shitty jobs to barely keep up with the shared rent and the student debt while watching civilization crumble around me, I would have been kinda grumpy, too. Who wouldn’t?
There’s a lot I like about Maisie, but her approach toward things like the “Deep State” is too close to that taken by Illuminati enthusiasts for my comfort. If Deep State were All KNowing and All Powerful, it would be pointless to fight against it. this isn’t a conspiracy with a cabal of Leaders Directing from On High.
It’s a confluence of interests, with unelected factions working out of public view. They don’t want to upset the fundamental “needs” of the Owners. But, shit sometimes happens.
Yes, of course. But it takes time and perspective to understand these things and Maisie is a 20-something living in a much more hostile and unforgiving (US domestic) environment than the one in which we came of age. It shouldn’t be difficult to understand that, from her perspective, the Owners and their minions might appear monolithic.
The young woman shows great insight; imho, Maisie is a ray of light whose comments show there may still be some hope for the future. If I had possessed a mere fraction of her understanding of the US power structure back when I was her age, I would have been spitting hot nails.
She has the words, but she doesn’t know how to assemble them. Instead, everything spells “corporation” and “one percent.”
Thank you, Glenn. One of the few true journalists left in America. Oh…and he chooses not to live within U.S. borders. Smart man!)
Thought-provoking as always Glenn. Though of course you’re right with the larger picture, I also wonder if this was simply a matter of fighting fire with fire. Trump was impervious to facts and used B.S. stories. Hitting him with facts did nothing, but accusations of Russian hookers and other bizarreness struck his legendarily frail nerves.
In the end, though, I just see it all as a big f**kin mess. Two factions of goons warring while the working class is ignored. Would be nice if our civilization worked consistently for the better of all, but that’s not to be.
The author Glenn Greenwald makes false equivalency here. While report, published by BuzzFeed is not properly vetted and verified, it is not Fake News. It is simply that, unverified report that may or may not be fully true. Equating conspiracy theory nonsense that had been spewed over the past several months and propagated by various “news” sites, and report produced by private security agency, authored by a credible former MI6 agent is irresponsible at best and disgusting at worst. In either case it is not good. Fake News, characterized by bogus conspiracy theories and straight, verifiable lies, are meant to confuse public and to make them believe that everything they read is “fake news”. The report on Trump kompromat is nothing close to that, albeit it still needs to be verified. If Mr Greenwald doesn’t understand the difference, he should give up journalism, since this kind of article is nothing close to responsible journalism.
The fact is that despite many of his positions being attractive to a majority of his party (and I share many of them), Corbyn has no possibility of being elected to office given the current leanings of the British electorate.
Therefore, it’s perfectly reasonable for the Guardian and others of the more moderate left to oppose his candidacy in the hopes that a more plausible candidate will emerge. This is not necessarily another conspiracy of the World Wide Deep State in pursuit of its nefarious goals.
Ooops. This comment wound up in the wrong place.
Amusingly, Britain’s version of the Deep State is now going after Jeremey Corbyn with the same approach seen in the United States – and why? He’s in favor of normalized relations with Russia, as is Trump, instead of a return to the Cold War era mentality:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/12/army-minister-accuses-corbyn-of-siding-with-russia-against-nato
The banality of the Deep State mentality is on full display these days – it’s all about maintaining their status and their blank checks by whipping up fear and hysteria over the “Russia threat” – a pack of PR monkeys banging away at their little drums, trying to gain public support for their self-serving agenda. Fuck those sleazy old war pigs, they are as stupid and corrupt as the Soviet ministers who fought so hard against Gorbachev’s reforms in the 1980s.
The British Establishment, including its Labour members, are absolutely horrified that Jezza Corbyn — a real democratic socialist — won two landslide victories to lead the party.
The UK chapter of the EUKUSA Deep State has been in an ongoing frenzy trying to make certain that Corbyn is never able to actually affect anything as important as foreign policy.
And you can be certain that the Graun will jump at every chance to assist in demonizing or ridiculing him. C.P. Scott’s journalistic treasure has been fully assimilated by the the Rulers’ Borg.
the graun has published 9 articles on the dossier today by my count , and not one has an open comments thread. got to catapult that propaganda.
The comments sections on those pro-establishment articles are now by a long shot the most entertaining and informative parts of the Guardian. The more they refuse to open them the less and less worthwhile the Guardian in its present incarnation becomes.
Hear, hear!
The fact is that despite many of his positions being attractive to a majority of his party (and I share many of them), Corbyn has no possibility of being elected to office given the current leanings of the British electorate.
Therefore, it’s perfectly reasonable for the Guardian and others of the more moderate left to oppose his candidacy in the hopes that a more plausible candidate will emerge. This is not necessarily another conspiracy of the World Wide Deep State in pursuit of its nefarious goals.
Julian Assange will agree to U.S. extradition if Obama grants Chelsea Manning clemency
https://theweek.com/speedreads/672992/julian-assange-agree-extradition-obama-grants-chelsea-manning-clemency
Obviously he doesn’t want to wait for the rest of the Swedish statues of limitations to run out against him.
What, Tom? That’s either the observation of an intellect so far beyond my own that I am hopelessly incapable of comprehension or just ridiculously stupid and nasty trolling.
Why not elucidate in order that we may be more informed as we attempt to decide?
that’s interesting, and very courageous of him.
That’s rich, the NYT suddenly has scruples. Two weeks ago the bar for corroborating evidence for them was someone driving the same model car. What is becoming really self evident to the NYT is journalism itself is in an ash heap and they helped put it there. Better late than never but they also don’t get to whitewash history at this late stage of the game when it is a lie. They were happy to be water boys and water boys don’t suddenly become choir boys just because they claim it.
What do Democrats have to lose? Their strategy of being the adult in the room and appealing to logic and reason has clearly failed.
if only the adults in the room hadn’t ignored logic and reason to run a corrupt warmonger against trump, they might have succeeded.
Even if this dossier on Trump turns out to be a pack of nonsense, people love reading about this sort of stuff, so I wonder whether it will hurt Buzzfeed or other outlets that run with it in the long-run. People are less interested in the truth than they are in salacious, scandalous stories about the rich and famous, even if they’re fake. Truth in news doesn’t seem to be as high on the list of priorities any more as getting hits. And it may not just be anti-Trump people that love it either. Pro-Trumpers have heard him boasting about his sexual prowess and allegations of sexual misconduct yet still voted for him, so they’re hardly likely to be put off him by stories of him hiring hookers to wee on a bed once slept in by the Obamas. Quite the opposite.
It’s a Ploy,
Trump is trying to portray distance himself from Deep State in the get.
Actions speak louder than words, look at his cabinet. Comey the clown’s blunder was act, he was their fall guy.
Their all bedfellows: Trump=Agencies=Deep State.
170 hours to go. Then the giant flushing sound will ring in the new government.
Ahhh yes the flushing away of that piece of dung who’s occupied the White House for 8 painful years. Bob voyage, hope you run into those bushes in the sewer!
The toilet isn’t going to flush – it’s going to overflow when the new government assumes power.
As many commenters have pointed out, the Deep State is not engaged in a war. Rather, it is engaged in creating a diversion. Over the past several weeks, Mr. Obama has been significantly expanding executive powers, possibly because the Deep State fears there would be pushback if Mr. Trump assumes the presidency and attempts to do this. Today for example, he changed the rules to make it easier for the NSA to share raw data with the 16 other US intelligence agencies. Pundits, busily engaged on social media indulging in clever wordplay about the activities of Russian prostitutes, failed to notice.
” Pundits, busily engaged on social media indulging in clever wordplay about the activities of Russian prostitutes, failed to notice.”
Are you talking about Glenn?
Really!? Where is Glenn going on about “Russian prostitutes?” THAT I want to see.
But didn’t Obama just tell Trump not to rely on executive authority?
“Obama Warns Trump Against Relying On Executive Power – NPR, Dec 2016″
Hmmm… could have something to do with this from 2013:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/
Now that Operation Mockingbird activities are legal again, it’s worth reviewing how the CIA financed many such operations:
This is my theory, and it’s not a pretty one, and it is brief: We have been going back and forth as if on a see-saw. Trump makes a public request to find Hillary’s “missing” emails. Then there is the hacking/Assange/Wikileaks drip dumping. Then the Comey letter 9 days before the election. Then the reverse “There is nothing here, sorry” statement two days before Nov. 8th. Then the surprise win. Then the demand for a recount. Then Obama’s demand for a report on Russian involvement in the election, which turns out to be true. Then Obama’s farewell speech where he gives warnings about our democracy. Followed by the Buzzfeed dump and the press conference and Trump decrying that CNN is “fake news.”
This is all obviously undermining what the American people think, and it’s been happening for awhile now. Things are in such a state of chaos right now. My great fear is that this has all been planned and we are being played. By putting the U.S. on this footing of absolute chaos, I have nightmares at night of something bad happening either right before the inauguration, or shortly thereafter. I don’t know how we could ever handle another 9/11 at this point in time. And I think all of this has been a planned set up for total chaos. You need to google former Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s comments on his fear of losing our country.
I sure hope I am wrong, but I have never felt this depressed about anything else in my entire life.
Glenn, great article!!!! Please stay strong and stay TRUE!!!!
Snowden, Assange and Manning are the heros. They are the ones who were attacked, their lives threatened because the “deep state” wants to work in the darkness. Heaven forbid their crimes come to the light.
No respect for this guy any more. Him and Snowden. Disgusted.
How many people do you think have been blackmailed by the deep state using pedophilia. How do you get them out?
Love me, I’m a ‘liberal’ … who loves the CIA.
The alt-left fears and despyses US intelligence agencies – especially the CIA. Behind every world plot, the CIA lurks (think Ukraine, Syria, Kennedy assassination, 911 etc.) – and this gives rise to conspiracy theories about the “deep state”. Robert Parry at ConsortiumNews suggests that US intelligence attempted an electoral college coup (“A Spy Coup in America?” https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/18/a-spy-coup-in-america/):
“………There’s another possibility in play here: that the U.S. intelligence community is felling a number of birds with one stone. If indeed U.S. intelligence bigwigs deemed both Clinton and Trump unfit to serve as President – albeit for different reasons – they could have become involved in leaking at least the Podesta emails to weaken Clinton’s campaign, setting the candidate up for the more severe blow from FBI Director Comey in the last week of the campaign……..Then, by blaming the leaks on Russian President Putin, the U.S. intelligence leadership could set the stage for Trump’s defeat in the Electoral College, opening the door to the elevation of a more traditional Republican. However, even if that unlikely event – defeating Trump in the Electoral College – proves impossible, Trump would at least be weakened as he enters the White House and thus might not be able to move very aggressively toward a détente with Russia………Further, the Russia-bashing that is all the rage in the mainstream U.S. media will surely encourage the Congress to escalate the New Cold War, regardless of Trump’s desires, and thus ensure plenty more money for both the intelligence agencies and the military contractors………”
That borders on ridiculous, and if true, it may be considered one of the biggest failures in CIA history since not one Trump electoral college representative changed his vote. Even the best journalists fall prey to unsubstantiated accusations directed at the CIA. Glenn writes (“After Vote to Remove Brazil’s President, Key Opposition Figure Holds Meetings in Washington”, April 18, 2016):
“……Many on the Brazilian left believe that the U.S. is actively engineering the current instability in their country in order to get rid of a left-wing party that has relied heavily on trade with China, and instead usher in a more pro-business, pro-U.S. government which could never win an election on its own……..although no real evidence has emerged proving this theory, a little-publicized trip to the U.S. this week by a key Brazilian opposition leader will likely fuel those concerns…….”
The article also revisited US interference in Brazil during the cold war leading up to the obvious conclusion that the US was trying to overthrow Rousseff for economic reasons. Despite Greenwald saying there was no real evidence of US interference; it did not prevent him from publishing the “possibility”. In the ensuing fiasco in Brazil reported by the Intercept, those accusations have not resurfaced. Greenwald writes in yesterday’s article (above):
“……..All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible. As my colleague Sam Biddle argued last week after disclosure of the farcical intelligence community report on Russia hacking — one which even Putin’s foes mocked as a bad joke — the utter lack of evidence for these allegations means “we need an independent, resolute inquiry.” ………”
The CIA does have a history of interference, but not every protest, change of governments, or election is a CIA plot. Not every fake story is planted by the CIA and the absolute demand for conclusive evidence in the DNC hack completely dismisses the findings of the 17 US intelligence agencies as well as the private cyber-security firms. Obama and US intelligence must be lying. Can anyone imagine that Russia might try to influence a US election in favor of (or against) a preferred US candidate? Who would have thought? It’s that classic paranoia of the CIA upchucking from the alt-left.
17! Count em, SEVEN damn TEEN! Alt-left!! Trust every spook, they always have the common man’s interests at heart, not those of the state. That Iraq war thing and all those bodies associated with it, it was an understandable mistake, they deserve a mulligan. Just like good ol Hillary, who cares only about the little children. Logic is a bitch to get around, but keep twisting away….
You’re trying to conflate a few paranoid conspiracy theories with the real issues at play. Those are two-fold, I think:
(1) The corporate Democrats want to blame their electoral failure on Russia, not on their own corruption and servitude to elite interests over those of their traditional base. This is not working; progressive Sanders Democrats have been winning the Democratic Party leadership battle:
How Bernie Sanders supporters are trying to gain power in California, 1/11/17
(2) So-called “Deep State” military-industrial-congressional actors are alarmed about their loss of control over policy and funding decisions under the unpredictable Trump (as compared to the utterly predictable Hillary Clinton). What if CIA operatives are called on to explain their actions in Syria, the training camps that fed weapons and fighters to ISIS and Al Qaeda? What if NATO funding is rolled back by Trump in a spat with EU nations? What if more pressure is brought to bear on corporations like United Technologies (see the Carrier plant issue recently)? To prevent this, they want to undermine Trump by portraying him as Putin’s pawn, standard drivel, fear and hyperbole to keep their budgets from getting slashed.
Really, however, the U.S. military-industrial budget could be cut across the board by 50% with no danger to U.S. national security or deterrence; that would free up hundreds of billions of dollars a year for domestic infrastructure, health care, education – basically everything countries like Germany and Japan invest in, which is why they don’t have the kind of Third-World poverty conditions seen all across the United States these days.
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On point 1, Russian hacking could have cost the election for Hillary. The race was very close in the upper Midwest . There was a lot of electoral votes at stake which Trump won – but by a very small amount. This isn’t meant to provide an excuse for the sleazy and corrupt DNC. Hillary was a terrible (and entitled) candidate, but on this point, Hillary (and her supporters) are right.
On point 2, this begins to sound like Greenwald. First of all, the CIA operated in Syria under the leadership of Obama – the President. They didn’t really have to explain anything to Obama (presumably). Obama flip-flopped on his policy of arming the jihadists and began bombing ISIS and al-Qaeda in 2014 – a ridiculously stupid move if regime change was his goal!
As far as other foreign policy decisions, it’s not just fortuitous that he has surrounded himself with three Generals. He clearly is deficient in US foreign policy. Whatever route he takes, he will have reasonable opinions to help him. That doesn’t mean I will agree with everything he does, but I don’t believe he will just be winging it. Trump is not going to abandon NATO.
It seems almost like a given considering his rhetoric on Islamic terrorism that he will likely expand the drone program, move the US embassy to Jerusalem inflaming tensions and play hardball with China on trade (and possibly Taiwan). He probably will increase the military budget and expand intelligence. Just guesses.
Thanks.
Trump seems to take a soft position relative to Russia. I cannot say that he is Putin’s pawn right now, but after January 20th, we will see what Trump does about Ukraine. In my opinion, he should continue sanctions and pressure Russia on annexing Crimea and their invasion in eastern Ukraine. Outside of bombing ISIS and al-Qaeda, the US is out of the Syrian theater.
Can you please define what “alt-left” is? Are you just trying to draw parallel between alt-right and some imaginary “alt-left”. Alt-right has been defined by alt-right leaders (Bannon, currently serving as chief strategist for Trump, among them, proclaiming that Breirbart News was platform for alt-right) and has been accepted by its followers (neo-Nazis and white supremacists, included). Who on the left has defined “alt-left”? Who are the leaders? What are the defining principles of “alt-left”?
The alt-left is really just another term for the radical (extreme, far, hard) left, but I think it fits perfectly. There are no leaders. Extreme leftism begins with extreme anti-Americanism. It does not mean one is necessarily a Marxist. Of course as in any political label, there is overlap between various political designations such as liberalism, anti-war libertarians and extreme leftism. Note that some of these may also be elements of the far right (sometimes indistinguishable) and the list may not be entirely complete:
1. Anti-American/anti-Israel almost always in tandem and completely predictable. Some classic far left positions which pertain specifically to Israel:
(a). Zionism is racism
(b). Israel is an apartheid state
(c). Israel is not a democracy
(d). Israel is an ethno supremacist state
(e). Opposition to a Jewish state i.e., support the one state solution
(f). Israel is a colonialist venture
2. Jews have too much power and/or run the US and European governments (US policies are in the interests of Israel).
3. Belief that the US and Israel are two of the most dangerous countries in the world. One example constantly cited is that America was the only country to use nuclear weapons.
4. Belief that the neocons still run US foreign policy.
5. The Belief that the US is behind all political activism/coups such as in Syria, Ukraine, Brazil or Honduras.
6. Support for the rise of counter balances to US power such as anti-democratic China and Russia.
7. Colonialism is the foundation of the far left: five hundred years of western imperialism and racism.
8. The west is driven by racist policies – especially regarding Muslims and the greater Middle East (Obama has bombed seven predominantly Muslim countries).
9. Anti-corporatism and inequality (obsessively).
10. Climate and environmental extremism.
11. Anti-globalization/anti-neoliberal policies.
12. Anti-Christian bigotry and hatred (intolerance).
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@Craigsummers
@JustWorld B
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The alt-left is really just a term [that I just now made up because] I [don’t want to] think [and] it fits perfectly [ino my strategy to lie and misdirect other readers or infrequent visitors to this site]. There are no leaders [or other structure because I am just making this up to deflect my weak arguments against others here]. [I consistently label] leftism [as] bein[g] extreme anti-American [in an attempt to label my opponent because using ad-hominem directly is too easily called out as BS]. It does not mean one is necessarily a Marxist [but I’m hoping that is what you get out of my lies and deception]. Of course as in any political label, [I attempt] overlap various political [ideas] such as liberalism, anti-war libertarians and extreme leftism [in order to demonize them and support the US government].
Magnificent editing, DocBollywood; you clarified raw sewage until it was crystal clear. I could not have done it better.
DocHollywood, it’s really your journalistic writing style that provides the clarity.
I find your writing style exceptional for two reasons. First, it embeds the counter-argument directly into the commenter’s original statement. Second, it limits the rebuttal of the original poster as any rebuttal becomes a ‘shared’ rebuttal to the person’s original statement. In other words, you are forcing Craigsummers to partially rebutt himself it seems. Ingenious.
I think you should use your style against the many obvious trolls here and not limit yourself to Craigsummers.
If at anytime I am over-stepping or cramping your style, please feel free to say so and I will discontinue.
DocBollywood
“……..I think you should use your style against the many obvious trolls here and not limit yourself to Craigsummers…….”
DocHollywood is only obsessed with one poster – and he has rarely caused me to back off of a statement. In fact, Doc became somewhat discouraged because he couldn’t rebut me 99% of the time when we did debate issues – so he turned to his current style which amounts to mostly personal attacks.
There are all kinds of methods used to discredit posters with a different viewpoint than what the site promotes – like the use of the word “troll”, or “readers alert” or “Jew hater” (on pro Israel sites), “racist”, etc. Trust me. I don’t take DocHollywood seriously most of the time, and he rarely comments on the above the line article which makes him useless for debate. In addition, his style is awful and mostly unreadable. Why you believe its ingenious is beyond me. It does, however, show your political motivation.
What I have seen for the most part is that other posters ignore DocHollywood, or encourage him to continue his (mostly) personal attacks because they become discouraged with simple debate. Some even become so discouraged by alternate viewpoints, they start a new “one viewpoint” site. You gotta luv that Docs.
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” Why you believe its ingenious is beyond me. ”
You do not need to remind us.
You play checkers with chess pieces most of the time. That is how you provide “alternate viewpoints”.
Your usual long posts are not cohesive in a factual regard. You’re acting like a propagandist with declarations of what is true and then you head off in the weeds attempting to drag people along.
“…….Your usual long posts are not cohesive in a factual regard……”
God, I had no idea. Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll try to correct that in the future. Hmmm, facts. What a great idea!
“What a great idea!”
Try learning simple HTML; that would be a great idea.
I just heard of a single mom using youtube to learn how to build a house. Trust me CS, I believe you can learn to use the blockquote function.
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You got it dialed, DocBollywood, and with a flare that’s all your own. You really do some tremendous work, and I really enjoy it; please continue.
I edit for just the one twit mostly because my time is limited and because no one else deserves it more: his obvious falsehoods, self-contradictions, bone-headed reasoning, and – worst of all – blatant hypocrisy have made him captain of the varsity all-American troll team.
You do some great work, so by all means offer your talents to the other trolls as you see fit.
Whatever you decide, I look forward to seeing more of your posts and working with you.
“…….The alt-left is really just a term [that I just now made up because] I [don’t want to] think [and] it fits perfectly [ino my strategy to lie and misdirect other readers or infrequent visitors to this site]…….”
I have seen the term used elsewhere. I wish I had made it up because it is a better fit for defining the “radical” left which sometimes can be confusing to “new readers” who might interpret it to mean “Marxist” (which they certainly can be, but is not a requirement). However, in your defense, I have noticed this trend to protect readers at some of these “alt-left” sites (like the Intercept) from alternate opinions. It’s gotten so bad that new “one viewpoint” sites are springing up – all in the name of democratic debate!
Thanks.
Craigsummers A Factual Redux
I have[n’t] seen the term used elsewhere[, otherwise I would have provided a link to it]. I had made it up because it is a better fit for [labeling and demonizing] the [L]eft which sometimes [is not] confusing to “new readers” who [I hope would] interpret it to mean “Marxist” (which [it definitely doesn’t but that’s what I am hoping]). However, in your defense, I have noticed this trend to [tell] readers [the truth and point them to fact-based] sites (like the Intercept)[. But I prefer the Government’s lies instead of other’s] opinions[, truth or facts]. It’s gotten so [hard to misdirect others] that [Fake] new[s] “one viewpoint” sites are springing up – all in the name of democratic debate! [But, I’m doing my best to help them by repeating the government’s lies here at The Intercept.]
BocHollywood
“………I have[n’t] seen the term used elsewhere[, otherwise I would have provided a link to it]……”
I was just reading the article (right now) and ran across the use of the term alt-left (Daily Beast, “How Putin Played the Far Left” http://thebea.st/2iNVSBl)
“…….At times, the substance and style of what has been dubbed the “alt-left” are indistinguishable from that of its counterpart on the other end of the political spectrum. And Moscow’s info-warriors appear to appreciate the resemblance, as the American arm of Sputnik exhorted supporters of Bernie Sanders to vote for Trump (as did Trump himself, repeatedly)…….”
I wasn’t even looking for it. The term is out there. I wish I could take credit. Now do you understand the frustration of DocHollywood, Boc?
Greenwald is probably right that the info released by Buzzfeed is not going to lead to a WaterSportsGate type of situation, but I haven’t heard anyone outside of a few bloggers promote the info as truth. BTW, what is the evidence that the CIA was supporting Clinton and trying to damage Trump? Between the FBI and Wikileaks, there is actual evidence of efforts to help Trump by damaging Clinton. I am sure Greeenwald will refute that if he hasn’t already
I was thinking the same thing. The media has been inordinately skeptical about the issue. I was confused about Glenn acting like they’d all taken the bait when really it was just CNN (who mentioned the report) and Buzzfeed, who no one would ever equate with credible journalism.
I mean, this is America. We forget about things 2 days after they happen. If this really is the nonissue that it’s made out to be, then it’ll disappear in less than a week. The hysterics over the media’s coverage, along with articles “proving” that its false are the only thing making me think that it might be real. Why not at least investigate it and see if its real? I’m failing to see who would lose in that situation
isn’t it possible that Trump camp “leaked” the memo in order to further discredit MSM? as Glen Greenwald points out, who will believe the crony capitalism, corruption info that will surely come out after this? MSM already has low approval ratings…
So now we know what we are seeing is not an anomaly or an operation. This is truly the unraveling of a very, uncaring and criminal control mechanism. :) The stories are irrelevant except to show us what happens when corrupted power players are challenged. This also applies to the legacy media who wish with all their hearts that they could also shed their arrogance and regain control of the narrative.
Trump will assume office and be a great president. He loves our country. The seventeen intelligence agencies have zero credibility to the American people at this point. They have been caught in too many lies and covering for Clinton. I suspect Trump has the goods on all of them along with the white hats in the military. What happened with Corbyn and Trump is a good thing. The people across the world have awoken and they know who the real enemy is, and it is not Trump it is the globalists and their corrupt minions who have started wars, stolen trillions of dollars, followed an agenda of depopulation. The people of this world are awake and we are taking back what is rightfully ours.
I don’t need a video of T. Rump being peed on to know that he’s a sociopath.
This is how they put the leash on, if He can’t be heeled by the masters, there’s Pence after the “event”. Motorcade in Dallas, or assassination attempt “linked” to Russia or China, maybe impeachment,assassination by the press hasn’t been effective so far, but nothing can sell the weapons like it being pinned on another cpuntry.
Below, in a series of exchanges, poster gazooks provides an unlabeled YouTube link and then repeatedly urges interlocutors to follow it.
Doing my bit of due diligence for our little corner of the Webosphere, I followed and checked out the link. It leads to a YouTube channel devoted to imbecilic Clinton conspiranoia — Huma Abedin and the Muslim Brotherhood, Clinton Foundation child trafficking in Haiti, etc.
The series title is “Where is Eric Braverman?” — referring to the report in October by a goofball, fake news — ;^) — site that former Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman had fled to and sought asylum in Russia to escape the Clintons, because he “knew too much” as a result of his previous position.
Here’s the Snopes Eric Braverman page, with links to the fact checks on both the original “asylum” story and a later claim that “he’s missing.”
The channel is run by a guy from Oregon named George Webb. A quick check of his recent tweets (excluding promos for his videos and re-tweets) yields this charming bit:
So, if gazooks has more to share with us and you choose to engage. . . just keep this in mind.
Thank you for doing all that Doug, so no one else has to.
Shows just how debilitated your judgement is Mona.
The story board presentation is a true investigative tool used extensively in law enforcement, particularly of high calibre. It
illustrates complex relationships within conspiracies and every one of the panels has detailed citations to supporting evidence.
You don’t care about truth or fact you just troll here like it’s some social club for those that robotically recite party line bullshit irrespective of fact.
Facts take work to assemble, correlate and substantiate. You’re apparently too self absorbed to understand. George ‘Webb’ is a DoJ pro, BTW.
Too bad for you and your ship of fools swallowing the shit fed to you.
I am pleased that you are adamant in disapproving of and disparaging me. Anyone holding your fever-swamp views should find me intolerable. Do continue.
I find you completely charming, Mona, can’t you tell? Fever, indeed,
You seem bright enough but insist on this stupidly misinformed characterization of the work of George ‘Webb’ when the entire body of what he presents is documented fact as he assembles a case. He is in fact a pro using authentic investigative tools. Citations mean everything, otherwise you’d be correct in assuming him a fraud.
But referencing Snopes for verification? Really? That, my dear, is inane at best.
I mean you no misdirection. Please study the presentation over time and you will see the validity unfold. Use the citations. This is real intelligence like no other being presented. Have the good sense to critically absorb its reality.
Doug Salzmann is my friend. He is that becasue my long familiarity with him reveals that even when, as sometimes happens, we disagree, he is extremely smart and married to valid sources, and has his own strong analytical and reasoning skills.
Snopes is generally reliable. I use it myself. As does Doug, who has a long history of well-reasoned argumentation. Doug is nobody’s fool and I renew my thanks that he dealt with this stuff so no one else had to — we can rely on him.
the story board presentation is frequently used by elementary students who are hoping to get a c on their book report.
Snopes is a cat lady, her SJW husband, and their yip-yip dog.
“fact check” orgs, which coincidentally are all paid by DNC-tied proxy-groups, are “fake news”
“fact check” orgs…are “fake news”
So, since I don’t get paid for fact-checking, my facts are therefore factual?
Methinks your plasma-cutter slipped while in-use.
It’s really a drag that we have to work for free to be credible. Fortunately, there’ll be pie in the sky when we die.
Almost without exception, I dismiss anyone unironically deploying the term “SJW” as a moron. I’m seldom wrong.
Your whole premise is flawed. The Trumpettes already have no respect or belief in the MSM. They exist solely on a diet of fake news and propaganda, which we use to call lies. It is made worse by the right completely failing to disavow Russia, Putin or Tutin (trump). This means the GOP is now the party of Treason, Sedition, and Conspiracy and they are all AINO’s. American in Name Only.
You are a moron. If any party is guilty of pandering to fake news, it’s the moronic left.
I didn’t realize what a genius you are. Of course, you’re the only one who thinks you’re a genius. Personally, I think you’re an arrogant, opinionated a-hole. This piece isn’t “journalism.” It’s nothing more than an Op-Ed filled with erroneous information and your bias. For example, you say: “In December, John McCain provided a copy of this report to the FBI and demanded they take it seriously.” Where the hell do you come off saying that he “demanded they take it seriously?” Were you there? If not, you’re taking quite a step. I heard John McCain yesterday explain how he handled the material and what he did. There was no “demand.” Perceiving that the information related to the President-elect and the election, he did what he thought he should do…turn it over to the FBI. Your editorializing is just that.
You seem to blame the Democrats and assert that they are responsible for the leak, for making the leak become this enormous issue and, OMG, poor little Trump is being harassed by those big, bad Democrats. Give me a f’ing break. Get over yourself. You haven’t given one freakin’ example of a Democratic leader holding up the information in the 35 pages as the gospel truth. So, you are part of the post-truth journalism era. You are the liar. You make that argument several times and never give an example. What does that say about you?
This might be my favorite opinion of yours: “Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.” You have some big brass balls buddy. And you’re apparently clairvoyant. How special. You’re also like Trump in that you both have a God complex, ascribing motive and intent and feelings to people.
As for what this is going to do and how you think it’s going to backfire, do you honestly think that Trump’s base would care if every allegation were true? Do you honestly think that any Hillary supporters’ opinion of Trump would change because of this? Trust me, it won’t. Further, Trump has already sowed all the seeds necessary to destroy the trust of his base in the institutions of our government. If you don’t know that, you’re a bigger moron than I give you credit for.
You, Glenn, are denigrating our IC. It is obvious that you have an ax to grind when it comes to the CIA and the anger spills all over your Op-Ed. Who the hell are you to cast a shadow over the CIA for America citizens? By doing so, you are acting in the same fashion as those you accuse in your own article. That makes you a hypocrite. You, Glenn, have serious issues and I suggest you deal with them before you write another article because you sound like Trump throwing a tantrum. Given your issues, I hardly think you’re in a position to be casting stones at CNN or any other media outlet and that applies to the CIA as well.
As a general rule, I do not support publishing unverifiable / unverified allegations. With regard to Trump, however, in this circumstance, I can’t help but appreciate karma at work. I think you’re not seeing karma or appreciating it. But, you wouldn’t because you were part of the media that laid it on Hillary Clinton. You beat a dead horse long past the time when it was meaningful.
One more point, you go into this diatribe regarding the CIA’s preference for Clinton because of her pro-war stance in your opinion. And, you then cite your versions of Clinton’s and Trump’s stance on “war.” Then, you basically make it sound like war was the only issue on the ballot and Trump won. Well, let me educate you: Trump did not win in the way you describe. He lost the popular vote and only won the electoral college because of 80,000 votes. And, let’s be clear: 72,719,798 people voted against Trump. That’s 9,739,919 more people than voted for him. So, do us a favor and STFU.
Oh, my God! Heresy! Someone run for the smelling salts.
I think ERL’s semi-deranged spewing suggests that Revise the Record should have provided grief and reintegration counseling for operatives and associates after the election.
Or maybe just prescriptions for four years of sedatives.
No. Stop. Wait. Quiet dignity and grace….
I think ERL has scored some points w/ this post. There are a number of unsubstantiated or exaggerated claims and sweeping conclusions drawn from meager evidence in this article which have been accepted or glossed over without mention, much less discussion.
To wit:
1. “For months, the CIA, with unprecedented clarity, overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy…”.
Evidence: Mike Morell and Mike Hayden endorsed Clinton. Now, a couple of swallows (out of thousands of birds in the CIA flock) do not a Spring make. How do you derive ‘unprecedented clarity’ from that?
2. “It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump”.
No, it isnt. But the CIA almost certainly preferred McCain and Romney over Obama, yet that preference didnt lead to a vendetta against the sitting prez. This is long-shot circunstantial evidence, at best, and warrants no conclusions.
3. “Yet craving Deep State rule is exactly what prominent Democratic operatives and media figures are doing”.
Deep State rule? RULE? Dems “crave” the rule of the CIA, FBI, DNI? I don’t think so.
4. “In December, John McCain provided a copy of this report to the FBI and demanded they take it seriously”.
Demanded? Where’s the proof?
Again, we see Glen overextending himself a bit too far in order to make the facts fit his conspiracy theory.
Some of the same points were made earlier.
None of Glenn’s defenders were able to provide the asked for proof or even provide a cogent rebuttal.
It would be nice to see Glenn venture below the line and answer these questions.
Yanno, that one said of Glenn:
Glenn doesn’t talk about it, but I’ve heard from his mommy about the IQ tests. He is an actual, clinical genius.
Nice book, but Trump won fair and square. To all those who object, tough sh*t.
‘So, do us a favor and STFU.’ Always the sign of a brilliant and nuanced argument. Next time, just post that and save us the time wasted reading your screed.
Deserving of a tribute edit:
If only.
h/t DocHollywood
Perfect.
Did the U.S. Army Security Agency have an embassy signals intelligence collection detachment in Baghdad, Iraq in the 1960’s?
http://www.mccookgazette.com/story/1065115.html
Two problems with this–1) Trump’s followers ALREADY don’t believe any news that doesn’t suit them, and 2) When it comes to Trump’s actual problems with ethics, the tax code and the responsibility-free life he has lived coming to light, it won’t matter what his fans think–it will be in the hands of Congress, then the law. The Republicans only needed him to win, and will be much happier with Pence in charge.
trumps pick for cia chief was not a good one wrt fighting deepstate
i would have selected wolverine … his razor-sharp claws and fierce loyalty make him a powerful ally
although ironman would have also been ok
Here’s the latest which mentions Greenwald and this source has been correct on everything so far. What ‘s going on behind the scenes is much more dangerous than most people realize. Liberal left progressive, SJW snowflake reality check coming?
Putin Orders Combat Alert After SVR Warns Of CIA Plot To Assassinate President-elect Trump
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2206.htm
The Obama/Soros/Rockefeller Satanists are in a panic, they are desperate to start a war, deem presidential privilege/martial law or watch their New World Order crumble (along with NATO and the UN) from a jail cell.
Obama Starting War to Hide Ties to Pizzagate & Stop Trump Presidency- Fetzer/Ryan
https://youtu.be/P4Sjxd6NkqI
“Notice the deep purple in both Mrs. Clinton’s clothes, as well as Bill Clinton’s tie. This is the deep royal blue associated with royalty who can never be deposed regardless of the election outcome. They intended to be victorious as seen in the “V” in her lapels and his tie. And they fully intend on a victory whether it be by coup d’état, inciting a revolution or starting a civil war. Notice the victory “V’” formed by the American flag in the background.”
http://www.stateofthenation2012.com/?p=56307
Pizzagate | Pizzagate
http://www.pizzagate.com
Should John Podesta and Tony Podesta be questioned for the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann? This is a list of facts surrounding the McCann …
This right here. This is the kind of person who agrees with Glenn Greenwald’s take. Speaks volumes.
Yes, a random poster from god knows where ‘speaks volumes’ about Glenn. Smear much? And why, exactly? Would LOVE to know exactly what some of these posters really are, specifically their real motivations….
There are tons of pizzagate promoting whackos here.
And why wouldn’t there be? Glenn is peddling a bullshit “Deep State” conspiracy that fits right in with their world view. He might as well be blaming The Illuminati.
And there are other whackos telling us Glenn = them. Right? Convenient narrative if you want to dismiss important dissent, huh? Especially when it is practically the only voice willing to point it out. Shouldn’t you be reading a WaPo article or something and nodding fervently instead of coming over here to smear? Evil shit, brother. What are you, really? Stupid or paid?
“What are you, really? Stupid or paid?”
Another familiar tactic of the lunatic conspiracy fringe – accuse anyone who doesn’t buy into their position as a fool or a shill.
Actually, if there is one person at this site who most strongly and often agrees with Glenn Greenwlad, that would be me. (His former law partner and long-time friend. But we do sometimes disagree, and that can be…spirited.) It would be fair to say I’ve spent a great deal of time mocking debunking and ridiculing the handful of pizzagate freaks here, as have other longtime Glenn supporters.
Yeah, you’re officially nuts. Or posting for other reasons. Call me crazy when the war starts…(ps, it won’t)
I hate it when that happens. A good exorcist can be so hard to find, and nobody else can calm down those goddam panicked Satantists.
And now I hear, not from Powell this time, but from…a freelance ex British spook? That Russian spooks have told him (honest to god and hope to die!!!) that Trump had sex with a prostitute while in Russia!!!
lets count the possibilities,
Trump did have paid sex, and there is no video
There is a video
Trump didn’t pay a prostitute in Russia.
There is a fake tape.
And then there are the motives, The Russian government prefered Trump, that is clear, but now that Trump is Prez….don’t you think it is possible that they now want to weaken him as well?
So the tape might exist, but the Russians leak its existence, to damage Trump. It’s as plausible as leaking its existence (without evidence) to discredit his opponents.
All apart from the tape’s actual existence/nonexistence.
…Until we get to….Where does that leave us? Trump is a giant jerk, we know this. He has massive conflicts of interest, he has no coherent positions, he’s often unintelligible.
Why would a video of him with a prostitute add anything more to the issues facing the American people than the Billy Bush video did?
A discussion about what secret Russians did or didn’t say to an ex British spy about a real or imagined video adds even less.
This just proves how stupid the democrats in this country are. I’ve suspected this for a long time and this just proves it. This country really went to hell under Harvard graduates like Obama, they probably are smart but they are also stupid. When Kennedy apposed the CIA they had him killed, not in a very professional way, using some moron. But Donald Trump really has to watch his back because I think the CIA is going to have him killed.
Thank you Glenn, for reminding us the danger of crying wolf too often brings.
On that note… http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax?page=10 recounts how a 4chan user trolled Rick Wilson with some fanfiction that seems to be included in the “unsubstantiated memos” reported by Buzzfeed.
Interesting reading. Cheers.
Glenn Greenwald has been the best reporter on this issue. His totally rational position and demand — that we should insist on actual and credible evidence of these claims before paying any attention to them — should be the position and demand of all reporters and news media. Unfortunately, most of them are in it for money and/or prestige, so they serve far more as propagandists than as reporters or actual news media.
Of course…
If the issue is messing about with elections and foreign politicians, nobody knows how better than the CIA. The very notion of them accusing anyone of such a thing is hilarious.
I loved the Powell presentation, I loved the vial of talcum powder. And I loved the artist’s rendition of the non-existent “mobile weapons labs”. Excellent brush work.
But what I loved most of all was the American press’s reaction to it. Here’s the New York Times:
Yes, “the most powerful case to date”…talcum powder and a painting of an imaginary lab. Keep it real New York Times.
You know, I don’t blame the CIA for it. I blame the Bush administration. From everything I remember, the CIA was trying to resist bullshit intelligence. It was the Bush administration that forced them to come up with bullshit, and Tenet who is a political appointee obliged. And what happened? Tenet got his fucking medal, and the CIA got discredited.
The Intelligence services do have a proper role to play. It’s the fucking civilian political organizations that keep using them for their own political games. We can bitch at the CIA all we want, but it’s really the elected politicians who, in my opinion are the main culprits.
agree with the bush admin pressuring the cia on iraq, but this time the cia is targetting the elected politician-in-chief, as are a number of elected politicians in his own party. i’m just making sure i have plenty of popcorn and practicing my duck and cover skills, which have grown rusty.
What’s the worst that can happen if Democrats spread unverified reports?
Well, if we look at history, their candidate will get elected president – that’s what will happen.
Glen writes: “FOR MONTHS, the CIA, with unprecedented clarity, overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and sought to defeat Donald Trump. ”
And what is the evidence given for this claim the the CIA sought to defeat Trump? Two former directors of the CIA endorsed her. That’s it. No proof that the CIA did anything to change the election. Say the Russians sought to defeat Clinton and nothing will do but hard evidence. Say the CIA did and all you need an an ex director who has nothing to do with the CIA anymore to endorse her.
Sheesh.
Formatting fuck-up!11!!11 This is a quote of Gil and should be in blockquotes: “Say the CIA did and all you need an an ex director who has nothing to do with the CIA anymore to endorse her.”
He’s right you know. Glenn’s burden of proof is comically low when something supports his prejudices.
And the evidence for your claim would be what? (Gil is seldom right, and frequently wrong, as he sometimes admits when it’s demonstrated, and at other times won’t. He’s absurdly wrong here.)
The fact that all it takes for Glenn to see a “Deep State” conspiracy is a 56 year old Ike quote and two former CIA officials endorsing Clinton.
Yeah, geez, it’s almost as if he assumes historical and political literacy on the part of all his readers. What a terrible mistake!
What a silly non-sequitur.
Care to point to where Glenn in any way convincingly demonstrated the work of a nefarious deep state in this article?
Good question, and good luck getting an answer.
Nah, I don’t do non sequiturs– I think you do not know what the term means. (You’re not alone there, it’s surpassingly common for intellectually unsophisticated commenters to hurl around this or that fallacy as if they know what it is, or as if it has any applicability to anything on the table when it doesn’t. It’s a topic that’s been written about at some length.)
You don’t seem to grasp what the above article is about; did you even read it? These are his first two paragraphs, which serve as an introduction to what the article is about:
Do you have a problem with any of that (assuming you understand it)?
So James Comey coming out with the “letter” to disparage Hillary Clinton at the last minute should be seen as FBI endorsement of Trump, correct?
Not the entire FBI, but it certainly is the case that the dominant faction at that agency is at odds with the CIA over preferred candidates. Comey is, after all, a Republican.
Yeah I wish the CIA could be more like the KGB in that regard.
So in other words you got nothing Mona.
Are there any other Glenn sycophants want to take a crack at this? Perhaps one that can provide a cogent argument.
O fer shur, Gil. Why, everyone knows once a director — or anyone else– leaves the CIA, they abandon the entire intelligence community apparatus. In fact, their is no network that could reasonably call called the “intelligence community.”At least everyone knows that if they abide in Gil World.
Also in Gil World, promiscuous pronunciations that an interlocutor “has nothing,” “is defeated,” “is a liar” and on and on like that, substitutes for any of that being shown or being true. It’s the Alice in Wonderland World Gil lives in.
FFS, I have messed up drafting/formatting in this sub-thread. This: “In fact, their is no network that could reasonably call called” should read:”In fact, there is no network that could reasonably be called.”
I asked for evidence that the CIA “overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and sought to defeat Donald Trump”
You have provided no such evidence.
My offer still goes to the other Glenn sycophants want to take a crack at this.
The evidence on this point is in Glenn’s links.
No it’s not Mona. I read Glenn’s links there is no evidence in them that the CIA “overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and sought to defeat Donald Trump” .
Now you are going from not being able to refute my point to lying, which is exactly what happened with you claim about the article you cited claiming the Ashkenazi Jews refused to work.
It’s comical how your cut and paste skills seem to fail you when you are asked to provide evidence.
Gil, that you do not understand and/or accept evidence does not translate into my lying. And have a care, there’s a freakishly fragile snowflake posting here who, if you tell her she’s lying, she writes to The Intercept and threatens to sue. They jump up and down and delete all this “harassment.”
I would poke my own eye out before running to Mommy Moderator and absurdly ranting about suing to get someone like you deleted — I want you to keep calling me names like that (as long as you don’t spam the board with it). But one never does know what the mods might independently do.
1) what evidence did you present?
2) what name did I call you?
Just as I thought, crickets
She really is a piece of work.
Because we all know the price Republicans have paid for pushing false news about Hillary, Obama, and Bill Clinton and the terrible political toll it took on them.
Oh wait, they now run Congress, and the White House, and are poised to do more destruction to the social fabric in this country than any other time in history.
I don’t think Democrats are embracing this “report”, but that doesn’t mean they can’t make hay out of it and use it as lesson that lies, innuendo and unsubstantiated claims are counter-productive, whether coming from the left or the right.
Freddie deBoer has a great post up that Glenn just tweeted: Syria II: Feel Harder
That’s exactly right: They want a “sufficient” level of emoting, and otherwise will not take “yes” for an answer.
Mona:
Had trouble comprehending your post. Would you restate your proposition in a few words.
The last Freddie sentence I quoted is: “No to war, no to Assad is a very easy position to hold, many of us hold it, and yet left spaces are full of people who refuse to take yes for an answer.”
That’s correct. Critics, such as Charles Davis, seem to want more emoting over Assad’s crimes and his victims, otherwise — by his metrics — we’re actually still that horrid left that supports the man.
Got it, thanks.
You have to be very careful in opposing someone in Assad’s position, i.e., someone who the U.S. and NATO also strongly oppose for geopolitical reasons. If you’re a progressive or radical, you certainly don’t want to empower the latter. People who welcome U.S. intervention either support U.S. imperialism, prioritize the concerns of anti-Assad Syrians over those of the entire region, or don’t just don’t understand the geopolitical aspects of this issue.
The facts on the ground in Syria — and around it in the whole geopolitical context — are some of the most complex and overwhelming to grasp and process in our era. So, I’m deeply suspicious of many who hold positions on Syria with such certitude, as if they really know it all and have exactly the right position.
A few people do live and breathe Syria and are positioned to take a strong stand, but most who opine so loudly are not among these.
Mona,
My somewhat limited impression of the situation in the mid-nineties,from the perspective of an invited lecturer on surgical matters and a guest of a mixed Syrian family, he, Muslim, she English, children delightful, was a country held together by a dominating government but wanting changes. Assad the younger was sympathetic but ineffective in implementation. The opposition was/is hyper-doctrinaire and violent. Pity the dead.
I fully understand the many interests and factions fighting in and over Syria. I’ve long held that life is holistic, so one needs to view things holistically in order to understand what’s going on. Here, the big picture is that the West opposes Assad because he’s part of what you could consider the Soviet or Russian alliance: Iran, former Libya, former Iraq, etc. While Syrians clearly have major legitimate complaints against Assad and the revolt was basically triggered by Assad’s refusal to help people with severe problems caused by the drought (which in turn was caused by global warming/climate change), but this quickly became another proxy war between the U.S. and Russia, with other interests and factions fighting for other reasons.
Considering all this, it’s far more important to maintain what little global balance of power remains between the U.S./NATO and Russia. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, the U.S. has been greatly expanding its imperialist oil wars with no opposition (Middle East, Africa, etc.). Therefore, progressives and radicals should not oppose Assad, because his downfall would eliminate yet another check against U.S./NATO power in the Middle East. With their destruction of Iraq and Libya, the West virtually controls the Middle East already, and the fall of Assad would just make that situation worse.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t directing criticism at you. My allusion was to people like Charles Davis, those who pontificate and denounce — with utter certitude they know enough to trash others on the left for not having the “right” position on Syria.
I know, I didn’t think you were criticizing me. It’s just a pet peeve of mine when supposed progressives side with the Evil Empire because the person the Empire is attacking is also evil. What those progressives don’t get is that the Evil Empire does far more harm than these localized dictators, as brutal as they may be. And of course U.S. involvement in these wars has nothing to do with human rights.
Oh I get it. You’re upset because the left is using the right’s tactics on Trump. Now it’s a “bad” thing, when before it was business as usual. Thanks for making that clear for us.
Oh, yeah, forgot about the ‘right’ crying then rioting after Obama’s elections and threatening to disrupt and prevent his inauguration. Politics is one thing, interfering with a certified election is something else entirely.
So, this post-election ‘business’ has never been usual even despite Lyndon Johnson’s role in JFK’s assassination. That’s more like what we might expect from Hillary’s murdering pedophile friends. Know what a Brownstone is, Mausinn?
There’s a long body count of Clinton associates leading way back to Little Rock. A statistical anomaly of noted significance by criminologist investigators unprecedented in American political history. They’re not done yet, I’ll bet.
Yeah, and they certainly didn’t make the racist and baseless claim that Obama was ineligible to be president because he wasn’t born in the US. Why, believing such a thing would have to prevent someone from holding office in this country, wouldn’t it?
But hey, at least Clinton’s election loss will give her more time to spend doing what the conspiracy theorists assume she loves most – murdering people.
You said it , Rich. Death becomes her like no other high profile psychopath.
By the released and certified emails of Podesta, Jimmy ‘Comet’, Dickboy and Huma, and the flight logs of Epstein’s Lolita Air, there’s a sordid history and future with celebrity and death enough for the strongest stomach to bear.
Think it’s a joke? More fool you. This isn’t about assumptions. There’s evidence galore and she’s going down when it’s released. The Little Rock days were mere warm up for Hillary. She’s been an agent in training for decades running Bill, networking and covering ass for their entourage and staffers.
You should read what their SS detail has to say about their WH tenure. Nasty.
A very well thought article.
Sorry I missed it, did you wrote an article about FBI staging coup against HRC back in last Nov?
How exactly do you stage a ‘coup’ against someone who holds no office? HRC still paying some of you guys, or what?
scary for sure
Oh please. Everything Glenn said could basically apply to the hit parade against Hillary Clinton. To Trump supporters, she was allegedly asleep during Benghazi, she’s had people murdered, she enabled her husbands indiscretions, her private email server was a secret to the state department (which isn’t remotely true), and the Clinton Foundation puts cash into their pockets. All unsubstantiated bullsh** claims based on partisan rhetoric and conjecture.
Where was Glenn when the broad and ridiculous campaign against Hillary was being waged???
you’re equating smearing by bloggers to smearing by the cia and associated intelligence agencies. it doesn’t fly.
Hmmmmm. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author
wait… wait… I’d step on Trump like a maggot trying to escape my kitchen. And I despise the very same things Mr. Greenwald expresses here in regards to publishing unverified accusations. HOWEVER, after reading every comment here, and thousands of opinions since yesterday, something seems to have escaped the narrative here. And that is..”this dossier, has BEEN OUT THERE FOR MONTHS, with every major journalistic institution having had a copy. Yet, it only comes out, this week.
What part of this story is missing? I’ll tell you. It seems to me, all Buzzfeed did was TELL YOU THE DOSSIER HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR MONTHS, and then showed what the dossier was about. THAT is the story. IF, this doc has been out there for MONTHS, and no one published it, I can see why. HOWEVER, remember what happened when the NYT’s withheld a story on, if memory serves, Stellar Wind, which is neither here nor there. But, I’d be really pissed, if this doc were withheld until Trump had been in office for say a year, and he had already done things with Russia that amounted to treason, and all of a sudden, VIOLA.. someone decides it’s time to publish the very same dossier. But NOW…it’s too fucking late.
That’s not to say I don’t agree with Mr. Greenwald. But sheesh, I’m glad Buzzfeed published it. At least we now know, what these publishers AND the government knew for MONTHS. The dossier EXISTED. MOREOVER… what if it turns out.. most of it gets proved to be TRUE??? THEN WHAT?????
Again, it looks to me all Buzzfeed did was… let you know the dossier EXISTED. Regardless if the information hadn’t been verified. After all, do you really believe, if it DID get verified, by then, the TRUMP machine would let this come to light THEN? Hahahahahahahaha! Look what Bush did to the NYT’s.
THANK YOU BUZZFEED!!
btw… fuck Presidente elect Summer Squash.
it didn’t add any evidence. still waiting. meanwhile, msm mouthpieces continue to publish unverified claims about its accuracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author
were you equally pleased by colin powell’s presentation to the un trying to sell the iraq war? he used unverified assertions from intelligence agencies. does propaganda improve by not being read for awhile, like some wines improve by aging?
That’s not true. Colin Powell was fed cherry-picked self-serving misinterpretations of the intel by Dick Cheney and his cabal.
what’s not true? powell knew it was crap when he spouted it, just like the nyt and the washington post did, and just like they know this anti russian red scare 2.0 is crap. yes he was fed crap, and yes he produced crap just as he did when he helped the army cover up the my lai massacre.
quote”were you equally pleased by colin powell’s presentation to the un trying to sell the iraq war?”unquote
HE was the liar… asshole.
Btw, how many MSM published what Powel said, hmmmmm? fuck you
yes powell lied, that was the point. he pushed propaganda using fake evidence, like steele and the msm which is reporting it. ALL the msm pushed it. just like they’re pushing this.
Dear pretzelbrain. Powel was the liar. And his lies were PUBLISHED by every news outlet on the planet.
Now crawl back into the cesspool… but clean up your slimetrail before you leave
ps..Even Buzzfeed said essentially the same thing….
quote”BuzzFeed’s defence – both in Smith’s note and in comments made by Jim Waterson, its UK political editor, at an event about fake news in London on Wednesday – was essentially that the site’s readers deserve to read what the media and political elite were reading and talking about, even if not all the claims were true. “unquote
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/12/buzzfeed-was-wrong-to-publish-the-trump-rumours-heres-why
Misunderstanding of Greenwald’s position seems intractable
Greenwald said just that, repeatedly. Including in the article you presumably just read.
Ok Mona… I stand corrected. I DID misunderstand. However, for 1000 words prior to this:
quote”Once CNN strongly hinted at these allegations, it left it to the public imagination to conjure up the dirt Russia allegedly had to blackmail and control Trump. By publishing these accusations, BuzzFeed ended that speculation”unquote
… it appeared Mr. Greenwald was ripping Buzzfeed a new asshole. However, I’m still not totally convinced he was slapping Buzzfeed on the back for publishing the dossier. I mean, how does “BuzzFeed ended that speculation” show any more “evidence” than CNN etc? Did they not publish the very same dossier? Frankly, before I read the Buzzfeed article, I didn’t know CNN had published it. I simply read the dossier there. Anyway, if what you say is what Greenwald REALLY meant, than I stand corrected. AND, it’s nice to know my opinion has been validated by the great Gleen Greenwald. Hallelujah!!
Just FYI, I read his commentary and heard his words on the Beeb as *endorsement of Buzzfeed’s publishing decision. But he just tweeted me that he’s actually ambivalent. (Ironically, outlets are reporting both that he opposes it and endorses it.)
This story proves MSM and some internet entertainment sites will write any unverified story saying it is unverified as long as it fits their propaganda. Thank you Buzzfeed , you showed us all BS is really BS.
quote”This story proves MSM and some internet entertainment sites will write any unverified story saying it is unverified as long as it fits their propaganda. “quote
No no no noo and NO. You missed the point entirely. Buzzfeed didn’t write any goddamned “accusations”. They simply told the planet the dossier was in the hands of every major news outlet and the government..and THEN.. showed what it said. THAT was the story. COMPRENDE??? I doubt it.
Screaming and insulting doesn’t help your argument (I know, I’m now a ‘fuckface’ or ‘slimeball’, right, smart fellow?). And your logic contortions that publishing unsubstantiated crap is somehow not publishing unsubstantiated crap because others had chosen for months to not publish said unsubstantiated crap are humorous, if rather sad. Gee, I’m convinced, we all just didn’t understand, thanks you brilliant turd!
Now even the US Intelligence services are saying the info is unreliable. So i was right …Buzzfeed published BS. Any doubts….?
the problem is simple. the left and right paid this intel source to get dirt. he wrote up a bunch of dirt “he says” he got from russians but ZERO verifiable evidence so no one published it when he gave it to them. NOW the cia/nsa say the guy is telling the truth but they can’t seem to prove it either. It’s a story because we are SUPPOSED to trust the cia/nsa but they fooled us into iraq. So now anything the cia/nsa says is true won’t be believed along with anything any reporter says so when a real threat emerges we’ll all ignore it and that will be the end of america.
It’s “voilà.”
Russia is not your enemy.
Unless you make it one.
Exactly
I have this model that explains state security behavior. Trump, who is a captain of BS, is able to recognize same. So Democrats have been buying the insane prognostications from US intelligence, swallowing hook, line and sinker. Like, “Through the Egyptian democracy under the bus without a second thought because CIA’s crystal ball says doom. We can’t want two years for the election because [INSERT BS HERE]” But Trump just sends them away. Naturally Trump brings new forms of disaster, but different. We can’t have ethical behavior in the face of expedience.
The man who said Obama is Kenyan, Hillary a child killer and Cruz’s dad helped kill JFK.L is whining about this? So the media backs down but will print wuse-boys next accusation as if it’s true.
Glenn, I think you should take the time to look into, and follow up this report, with some analysis of the incoming Trump administration’s relationship with the Intelligence Community, specifically The Pentagon’s DIA.
A lot of what you’ve written is correct, but there’s another motive at play. The CIA is fighting to retain their central role as the premiere foreign intelligence agency in the Trump administration. Trump has already aligned himself with the DIA, and JSOC is ready and eager to take the lead as the international intelligence agency.
I expect to see CIA sidelined, and DIA taking the lead, and this inter-agency “shadow war” will continue and get much worse. The agencies will be seeding reports to discredit each other, different media reporting different “facts” from different sources, and Trump will be the judge of what is “fake”, and what is “real”.
How will the public work to determine the facts in this situation? Please write that article soon.
My two cents. I totally believe the unverified claims. The stuff in it sounds like stuff that is not below Trump. This is the man who in the 80’s, would call radio stations under a fake name, and say things like how Madonna wanted so badly to have sex with Donald Trump.
Without being verified, should they have been released? While Trump is the last man who should be crying about a witch hunt, if these aren’t verified, then they shouldn’t have been reported by media outlets. It’s not responsible. Also, the ex MI-6 agent who got the information, his name has been released and is now in fear of his life.
Good piece of real journalism. Your point about an independent investigation of the Russian hack should extend to this situation as well. But the chances of a bipartisan, select independent group being allowed to do such work with this Administration and this Congress in control are slim. And that is why such unsubstantiated rumors can gain traction- because folks are afraid their nation has been taken over by thugs.
We are all under the watchful eye of the government:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5168026
A little odd commentary from a man who assisted in the publication of confidential leaked NSA material. I’m sure you thought such was a noble act of patriotism at the time. It is well-settled that this material published by Buzzfeed had been floating around for several months and, indeed, formed at least in part the basis for the FBI’s application for a FISA search warrant. Put simply, the FBI had corroborated at least some of the allegations that allowed them to believe that a crime had been committed and people in Trump’s camp had committed it. It appears that the FBI is still actively investigating it, as it should. THAT’s the issue, and no American should apologize for being hopping mad about the spector of treason. All this academic hand-wringing about Buzzfeed from your cabana in Brazil is of no moment. The so-called “structural collapse” of the democratic party is the result of voter suppression of black voters and gerrymandering, not because most Americans do not believe in liberal democratic principles. So let the drip drip continue, and thank you Buzzfeed.
I could pop on over to Prague any time from my HQ here in NL and FBI could never know, (if I made efforts to leave no traces) thus it would safe to claim I had never been there but it would not be safe to claim I have never been to Europe.
Exactly. If Trump’s best and only specific defense is that Cohen had “never” been to “Prague,” then he’s in trouble.
Hey Glenn
I think Republicans over the last 8 years have proven that unsubstantiated claims and news do hurt the party. Obama not born in this Country, Muslim, Obamacare Death Panel, etc. It got them into power, so they now will get a taste of their own medicine and cry foul.
Good points, but it’s credibility itself falls apart when it uses the FBI as a source of credibility, who has done just what the author claims, undermined their own credibility with false claims about the Clinton emails just before the election. Granted, the CIA with the Iraq war behind them are no better. The tangent not made here is that there is no longer any group or organization, whether the intelligence groups, the government, the media, or independent journalists, who can be trusted for not being corrupted. At this point, I only trust Bernie.
At least somebody at the Guardian gets what’s really at issue here.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/12/buzzfeed-was-wrong-to-publish-the-trump-rumours-heres-why
And it isn’t about whether anything in the anonymous dossier about Trump is true or false.
It’s a question of whether “journalism” and “journalists” should ever publish unverified or unverifiable claims from anonymous sources. There are some narrow circumstances when they should publish anonymous claims, and Glenn Greenwald has covered when those are, and how it should be done so as not to lend any undue credibility to anonymous claims.
Somebody at The Intercept should explain it to Mackey and Biddle, and probably Mattathias Schwartz, before The Intercept destroys its credibility as a journalistic endeavor.
Hi rr, I have been disappointed in Mackey’s articles, too. Some are just very thin and some veer off into conventional or dominant “wisdom.”
I find it funny that the media claims Russia has critical information on Trump when they also basically state that the most damning evidence of any person aspiring to political office was held by them on Clinton – but they don’t care about that other than to say that releasing true information (which they didn’t) was trying to subvert the election. They then should say that Russia is trying to subvert the Trump presidency and ignore it as they did for Hillary.
Glenn
I am not so sure the Deep State is at war with Trump. My opinion is only based though on the staggering amount of Generals this guy is appointing.
Seems like its 1% elites to me and that in the long run the deep state will be pleased.
That is where the argument falls apart. It just doesn’t add up that the powers-that-be would be so upset about a man who is stocking his administration with generals, corporate CEOs, and billionaires. If anything, they should be upset that he’s being so blatant.
But a General such as Flynn are considered fringe even among many other generals. It’s would be as if JFK had privileged and appointed the sociopath Curtis LeMay to be SecDef. Openly supporting such extremists will rally huge opposition; nuance and pretense are not what they do.
thx glenn
great article.
it is frightening to realize how few media outlets remain.
or was there ever journalistic integrity?
Welcome to the reality we find here in brasil.
If this path keeps going, there will be attempts to oust the elected president very soon based on, as our car-wash presentation stated, “Conviction”.
Beware Murica, the establishments are powerful and have a political agenda to be pushed, if you buy into this, things may take a very painful turn.
And be careful with the “evidences”, they might be used to justify actions that are not related to it.
You’re just too right, Ziani. But most here don’t even know that the CIA faction associated with the Clintons are those responsible for the engineered coup overthrowing your president.
They’re desperate to destroy the BRIICS organization because their objective, just as in the preceding reich, is global hegemony of total domination. Bipolarity is anathema to their designs for absolute authority.
They are the most evil, yet visible, organization on the planet. The people of the US likely have much less awareness of the threat than do now victimized Brazilians.
‘Confessions of an Economic Hit-man’, by John Perkins, spells out their explicit methodology for corrupting and usurping sovereign authority everywhere.
It’s happening here, as you observe from another hemisphere. But Americans are generally clueless that they’re about to be totally disenfranchised by the same cabal they’re crying over having lost an election.
Sadly little have they learned from 9/11 about their lying, ruthless would-be masters. They don’t even know who Aldous Huxley was nor what the Tavistock Institute or the Trilateralists do.
They don’t seem to care, ..but they soon will.
FAAANTASTIC REPORTING (not entertainment)!!! Glenn is the only true reporter out there that has even DARED to mention the “DEEP STATE” which has existed ever since Allen Dulles was in charge of the CIA and which has lasted throughout the decades, even having George HW Bush, ex CIA director, as president, and, I believe, Obama, also a sheep-dipped CIA asset (his grandfather on his mother’s side and stepfather were both CIA assets), as president. THANK YOU GLENN, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!
Just dropped buy and sure. Kbs of premature ejaculatory schadenfreude in need of a theme song.
Enjoy while you can. https://youtu.be/sTFVMMCwsss
What is more disturbing the DNC and Clintons colluding and conspiring to deny and defeat Bernie with unfair and far from free primary elections. I want to know when we demand a NEW PARTY. I will never support a Democratic Party that is controlled by Banksters, Hollywood and the 1%. The Democratic Party as proved by Wikileaks is beyond repair. We NEED a party of and for working people. Is it easier to take over the Republican Party or build a NEW PARTY?
Q: What’s the difference between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea?
A: Donald Trump has never had a garbanzo bean on his face.
Okay, it took me a minute. Thanks, Gator.
A bit OT from the article, but in line with the discussion just below on Trump, Sanders and health care:
Senate splits 49-49 on amendment based on Trump’s entitlements campaign promise
Sanders has been active on twitter posting a series of retweets of Trump’s own tweets on preserving Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security while Cory Booker is voting against cheaper pharmaceuticals.
I’m glad Sanders has gone back to being an Independent. It’s a damn shame our two-party exclusionary system made it impractical/impossible for him to run as one. The Democratic party is useless and needs to be broken into pieces and buried however deep it takes for it to rot in silence.
And yeah, his foreign policy sucked, but at least he proved that he an listen to his constituents and that’s a far cry from what we’ve been getting for lo these many years.
Crafty little piece of diversion, Glenn. All allusion to yet undefined crimes of presumably felonious Trump as in:
“The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest.”
So numerous, so manifest that we can’t be bothered with their articulation, eh?
Ignore the volumes of actual investigations and real evidence of corruption that have followed the Clintons for decades out of Little Rock and, now, the current batch surrounding the Clinton Foundation and its vast reach of corrupting influence in the oldest most classical manifestations of political graft and corruption knowing no bounds and including the same CIA that’s run rampant for over sixty years successively incorporating the worst human behaviors imaginable for the basest and most morally and politically compromised of reasons.
This is sly defamation by innuendo, Glenn. Continuing to ignore what’s known and verified by Clinton’s own emails, not to mention her morally depraved pedophile associates that still contribute to her blossoming ignominy won’t make it go away.
You must be so tired of selling your soul to these dregs. One can hope.
Please, watch and learn:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO4zw_dJScM&list=PLcgk8FfGnzkxDSYW-3gqzNBVxJVE2a9Hh&index=10
The article is not about the severe dangers to civil liberties and civil rights — among other things — posed by Donald Trump. Greenwald is one of three co-founders of this site; this site has been documenting the rancid policies and individuals in Trump’s circle who can be expected to execute them.
Sure thing. Of his own volition and initiative, Greenwald left a major Wall St. law firm after 18 months because being counsel for Goldman Sachs was shriveling his soul. Had he stayed he’d be a senior partner now worth many millions. They were sorry to see him go, but he couldn’t whore his intellect.
So, Glenn goes to work for a billionaire oligarch with CIA ties, ..what’s not to like?
GS doesn’t shrivel souls, it utterly consumes them. Everybody knows.
As I noted: A crafty little piece of diversion from the overwhelming criminality of the Clintons. Bother with the link?
At least Trump gets audited for criminality to maintain his casino licenses, unlike the Clinton Foundation that launders billions in illicit arms sales, human trafficking and influence peddling.
Where’s good ol’Glenn on these documented issues of abject corruption going on for decades since Little Rock and Mena in the 80’s?
Valid questions, eh, Mona? there’s so very much more for any authentic journalist who really wants to make a difference.
Not so much here @The Intercept. A limited hangout at best.
Ok, so you are one of the Deeply Unhinged. Got it.
“At least Trump gets audited for criminality to maintain his casino licenses”
What casino’s didn’t they all go bankrupt while Trump’s investors got stuck and his employees got the shaft?
Totally skipped climate change too!
Obviously a Hillbot!
Nah, friend Bill, methinks this one is a Trumpkin. He’s on about the Clinton “corruption” in Little Rock, a topic that the wingnuts had a long and hallucinatory obsession with in the 90s.
I think Bill meant that the accuser is trying to paint Glenn as a Hilbot.
Yes, but I could have been clearer! :)
You see, Mona, ad hominem is a dead give-away of ignorance on a subject.
You lash-out pretentiously as if you know anything about what you’re saying.
In this case I offered you a link that encompasses the vast totality of Clinton corruption, all with citations for your reference, but you’re either too lazy or disinterested in truth to even bother to look.
Just out trolling since you’re unemployed thanks to the great political leadership over the past 40 or so years. Incidentally, I’m a life-long Democrat who worked for the Obama campaign in ’08, never voted for a Republican in my life, voted twice for Obama and twice for Bill Clinton, asshole that he is.
I never liked Trump, even now. But he’s not a proven criminal of the worst order as are the Clintons and their associates. Bad dream evil. Try the link.
Too complex to follow, eh, Bill?
What will you say when the intelligence community leaks the proof?
These comments get me wondering.
When did Brietbart assume control of The Intercept?
There should be a limit — a realistic ratio — of kooky conspiracy theories to normal comments.
But I suppose when there’s a political crisis, an authoritarian overreach, people don’t know how to respond. Maybe taking to the internet is preferable to taking to the streets.
Soon enough though, some steroid-juiced cop will shoot some black kid walking down the street, protests will erupt, and then we’ll see Trump in all his splendid belligerence order the army to intervene.
“We cannot have a great America™ when gangbangers and thugs attack our beautiful country. General Kelly has my complete support in stopping this insurrection. Let’s see how they like it, folks.”
Mr. Greenwald will write some crap about the Deep State trying to embarrass the objectionable President Trump because they — the dark Deep State conspirators — want to stage a coup. Then this coterie of commenters will congratulate him on a brilliant article. A few liberals will write something about posse comitatus only to be attacked as Clinton sympathizers or as trolls for the Deep State.
Meanwhile the rich will continue insisting upon more tax cuts, the Republicans will continue slashing social programs, arms dealers (the NRA) will take out full page ads in newspapers across the country congratulating America’s heroic men in blue, while assault vehicles manned by deputized troops enforce martial law in the offending city (Detroit? Baltimore? St. Louis?)
Trump will tweet something inane, “Disgusting! Obama made this happen cuz he was too weak. #Americastrong.”
Any divergent news coverage will be immediately called “fake news.” Reporters will be arrested — “held” — for security purposes. On cable channels, the scroll at the bottom of the screens will identify the events in catchy corporate frames: e.g., CNN might call it “City in Crisis” Fox could call it “Testing Trump” and MSNBC could identify the city as “Baltimore on the brink” or “Detroit in Despair” or St. Louis Suffers).
Eventually something else — a Chinese invasion of North Korea, an Israeli attack on Iran, a chemical plant explosion in Texas, who knows? — will push the riots off the front pages. Six months later, we’ll hear from the mayor or the police commissioner about how well the city has recovered from the riots. The local newspaper will talk about the trials of the ringleaders of the riots and we’ll all be back to normal.
The new normal, just like the old normal.
So get your keyboards ready, muchachos and muchachas.
There’s a whole world of suffering to ignore.
You did an admirable job of ignoring the other side for your pet politics in the last administration. Your characterization of cops as steroid abusers and blacks as poor victims speaks volumes. This perspective is why you have Trump.
Thanks for your post.
i’m all on board for undermining trump, while continuing to undermine the neoliberal/neocon wing of the democratic party.
My lord, you are tiresome. And an absurdly verbose version of tiresome. My guess is that many of the ‘conspiracy theorists’ you’re deriding would agree with you on many of your principles, but you’re too busy being the smartest fellow around to get past sneering at them. Lose the high hat and you might find some common ground with the average puke, who just may be a lot smarter and less repulsive than you think. And admit, if HRC was the party in power, you would find any and all of the above actions ‘an understandable reaction to those horrible Trump people’. Yes, she is an elitist, authoritarian, militarist shit, whose blatant greed for power is the main reason we are now stuck with Trump. But you would prefer a coup that installs your queen, that would make it all better, correct? Blind loyalty is blind.
Here’s what I will admit.
I will admit that I expected this sort of personal attack when I posted.
I even said so:
Yes, there are smart people here. Some very, very smart people. GG himself is much smarter than most of us here. I admire the heck out of him.
So what?
If he’s writing crap, that crap is still crap. As you blindly defend this crap, you can remind yourself of your own words: “Blind loyalty is blind.”
For all this talk about the sinister Deep State, “fake news” and blithe dismissal of the most serious (and real) threat Trump and the Republicans present, most of the posters here are mere vanity hounds, fighting, mocking, deploring, seeking allies, seeking enemies, all for their own gratification.
I don’t say they should not do this.
I mean it gets tiresome hearing the same crap about “Killery” or “Hellery” or whatever going back to when she killed Vince Foster and procured women for her pervert of a husband. So the charges have changed but the intent is entirely the same — delegitimatize through slander and smear.
Not only is it untrue and unfair — these delegitimatizing tactics used by Republicans against Democrats going on for decades (to recall a few — Willy Horton, Swiftboaters, the birth certificate ‘scandal’, Benghazi, etc.)– but much worse. Worse than unfair and untrue, the immediate and compelling polarization this sort of kaleidoscopic reality demands destroys all hope for consensus.
That might be the point. Mass confusion allows or creates demographic clarity. For instance, people talk about Trump’s appeal to the alt-right, white nationalists. But this isn’t new with Trump. It goes back to the Southern Strategy employed by Nixon after Civil Rights legislation and, before that, to the entire Dixiecrats/Democrat party of Jim Crow.
As long as this consensus can be prevented, a fractured electorate will bicker over which piece of the shit pie they get.
I tried to present a realistic scenario, one I think likely if not inevitable. I’m sorry you found it tiresome. I’d hoped people might agree, “wow, that’s too plausible to ignore.” (and I still hope some people think this.)
But instead, as always, the insults and accusations fly.
So yes, I voted for Clinton. Yes, I preferred her to Trump — to infinity. I preferred Sanders to her. I don’t know what people mean by the Deep State except that some sort of Military/Industrial/Security faction seeks to subvert democracy and all that is right and good in the world. And they bring war and kill people for profit. But as far as I can tell it’s not significantly different from the Trilateral Commission, the Worldwide Communist Conspiracy, or Secret Space Aliens and Atheist United against God.
Mr. Greenwald should be admonished for attributing motives and actions to this invisible (by definition) entity.
There is a far more real danger.
It’s not going away because Killery eats Christian babies.
This is a much needed and balanced article. Thanks for writing it.
If there is anything to disagree with, it would be with the following assertion:
“All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible”.
“Full investigations”, a phrase that implies eventual formal hearings and public funds, always carry serious political overtones within the governmental sphere, as well as rewards and consequences for differing parties. Thus, such investigations need to be objectively justified, generally with existing good quality evidence, to assure that this investigatory process is not being politically manipulated to levy undue political reward or consequence.
A reward for what? In a corrupt process, they can be a reward for nothing more significant than inappropriate political bias within the system. In a normal system, they are generally a reward for the provision of sufficient evidence.
I’d be reluctant to reward the Deep State and the Media with such an investigation, based on their open motivation and their evidence-free tactics. Such a reward can only encourage more of it to be directed toward the president-elect and any elected official in the future.
It wasn’t unvetted. Investigation proved some of the allegations false. People were not in the places they were alleged to be.
I dont know what the big deal is. The repugs and fox news have had their lies, fear and smear campaign for decades, why dont you call them out.
You are right we are desparate, as any rational person would be when presented with a Madman as president. He needs to be stopped in any legal way possible.
The repugs do this stuff all the time as they dont care about the US, only about winning.
Re-released from the Washington’s Beltway vault of former hits…
“Dirty Laundry”
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something
Something I can use
People love it when you lose
They love dirty laundry
Well, I coulda been an actor
But I wound up here
I just have to look good
I don’t have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em when they’re down
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em when they’re down
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em when they’re down
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em all around
We got the bubble headed
Bleached blonde
Comes on at five
She can tell you ’bout the plane crash
With a gleam in her eye
It’s interesting when people die
Give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation
Is the head dead yet
You know the boys in the newsroom
Got a running bet
Get the widow on the set
We need dirty laundry
[Instrumental Interlude]
You don’t really need to find out
What’s going on
You don’t really want to know
Just how far it’s gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em when they’re down
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em when they’re down
Kick ’em when they’re up
Kick ’em when they’re down
Kick ’em when they’re stiff
Kick ’em all around
(Kick ’em when they’re up)
(Kick ’em when they’re down)
(Kick ’em when they’re up)
(Kick ’em when they’re down)
(Kick ’em when they’re up)
(Kick ’em when they’re down)
(Kick ’em when they’re stiff)
(Kick ’em all around)
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers
In everybody’s pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry
We can do the Innuendo
We can dance and sing
When it’s said and done
We haven’t told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry
CIA Man For Tuli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW9cCWm53H4
Henley’s The End of the Innocence works perfectly for this era, too. Maybe even better than when he recorded it at the end of the Reagan era. We all may be pining for the good old days of the Gipper before it’s all over. Imagine that…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WJqKWqUHQ
That’s fantastic and thanks for reminding us that Don Henley is a genius.
If I told you 5 years ago that Trump was going to run for President, you would’ve laughed at me. If I then told you he would also win, you’d think I was the biggest dope you ever met. So what they are alleging, in this dossier, is that for 5 years, Russia has been cultivating Trump because they knew he was going to run and then win the Presidency. Does anyone but me see that as a stretch? Just sayin!
So where and when does treason get prosecuted? It is clear that the media and its followers were trying to subvert the US election process as well as criminal acts and allegations towards Trump. When?
1,342 well sourced examples of Barack Obama’s lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E4U36NE
Not a fan of Greenwald, but it does look like the establishment and liberal press allies have declared war on Trump and his supporters. Next few years will not be pretty but I think President Trump will be ready for them.
The Industrial Military Complex and the CIA must be purged. Millions around the world have been murdered, displaced and bankrupt from these evil entities that are Nazi left overs from ww2 and that need to be scrubbed clean. The Industrial military complex needs to go into peace time mode and the arms, drugs, human sex trafficking, and blackmail business stopped, for this is how they operate. The lowest common denominator of human existence.
Greenwald fails miserably in his feeble attempt to obtain journalistic integrity. His left wing ideology juts through no matter how he attempts to hide it. He seems oblivious to the national hatred of the media and increases the disdain certain ethnic groups are held in by his socialist agenda.
Hunter S. Thompson, where art thou? Fear and loathing is the new American political zeitgeist and the helter skelter of the Trump victory appears to have driven some down the rabbit hole of rabid resistance to the point of almost Monty Python-esque absurdity. The Clinton KoolAide Drinkers seem to be contriving their own Private Political Jonestown with hallucinations of depravity and wild paranoia . Indeed, Ralph Steadman’s portraiture appears most apt to capture this Hillary in defeat moment: wild-eyed and delirious, naked and ugly, perched over a toilet vomiting a psychedelic brew of delusion.
Best post I have seen to date!!
I only hope the people who find the status quo intolerable will spend a few days worth of time and effort to promote people like sanders and stein. somehow the corporate duopoly financed by “special interests” have won yet another “free election” (bought and paid for) to the detriment of the majority of americans.
imagine how different the current debate would be had “the socialist” not been cheated out of the nomination by an unindicted felon and the reality show host had not been “sold” by msnbc (morning joe). I know many of you were on social media because I read your comments and posts. bravo for your persistence…it wasn’t enough. the situation is out of control and we al need to double down to save ourselves. the last time I recall the fervor we just witnessed was during the viet nam war protests 50 years ago. we CANNOT wait another 50 years. keep fighting(:)
That “champion of the people” Sanders was easily bought off with a new lake house. He would have been business as usual for Washington.
got a link for that? didn’t love sanders’ foreign policy, but i don’t remember a “new lake house”. i do remember his wife inheriting a house, though, when a relative died. that’s not a new house, though, and it’s not a bribe.
Of course that’s a blatant lie.
The modest “lake house” the Sanders purchased was a function of Bernie Sander’s wife inheriting a portion of modest home her parents owned (she sold her interest to her brother for $150K together with some of her retirement and investment funds), which they sold and bought and equally modest lake house in Vermont ((1800 sq. ft and not some McMansion).
I think at Sen. Sanders age, and given he was one of the few sitting Congress members that didn’t use their position to become rich, it is okay if he and his wife used a portion of her modest inheritance to buy a modest place for him, her and their families to vacation at.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/bernie-sanders-new-house-photos-pictures-lake-home-jane-net-worth-price-north-hero-vermont-purchased/
The other two “homes” Sen. and Mrs. Sanders own are also incredibly modest one is a rental property worth less than $250K and the other a very cheap condo in DC where he sleeps when doing the people of Vermont’s business worth $100K. Both of the latter two homes have mortgages.
All of this has been well documented, so please stop with your bullshit lies.
interesting, Fred, how this bullshit about extravagant Sanders’s properties dried up and blew away as soon as Darcie Johnson left the state to embed herself as a louse in the Trump body-politic.
Love to continue to spread those LIES, don’t you? Keep ignoring the FACT that Jane inherited a family estate in Maine and used the proceeds from the sale to buy that 1900 square foot lake house which they deserve. Complete and utter stinking shillbot nonsense.
Interesting, Fred, how this nonsense about extravagant Sanders’s properties dried up and blew shortly after Darcie Johnson left the state to embed herself as a louse in the Trump body-politic.
The media is truly disgusting. The likes of CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS being borderline media gangsters. A vast majority of Americans despise the media and have zero respect for any of them. COWARDS of the lowest denomination. I wasn’t much of a Trump supporter, but I am now. All because of the corrupt media and much of whored out Hollywood too. Despicable!!!! The scum media let Obama rape the nation of 10 trillion and said nothing. Where is the money?
The “Deep State” is applying “Salami Tactics” to damage the Russians as much as possible and making as much dirt as possible to stick.
All in-line with the GEO Political war that US and it allies are waging against the Russians and the BRIC countries.
There is no group in the western world more deserving of defeat than the American left. Totally devoid of any honor or integrity. And they know it about themselves too.
It is so obviously and patently false that those bringing this out are exposed as attempting through falsehood to execute a coup. Unless they can seize control, they render themselves enemies of the state and all that entails. If they seize control via these methods, we have a fascist state based upon defamation and war.
@Truth Seeker mentioned that in other major countries the IC has heads of state being former intel. It’s spooky. Daily briefings are a browbeat to create a dependency and subservient relationship, as if to break a horse. The bizarness of the situation seems like a blackmail attempt – things that pos f…b…i… Hoover used to do. And it seems these agencies around the world trade info on public officials. They currently engage in hit jobs, drugs and falsification of evidence for war. Large scale organised criminals? Came across a youtube video about a british investigation into a mossad operation where they may be looking to lay groundwork for assassinations of PM’s there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Sb5myARnY
Already appears this was 4chan prank on Rob Wilson that was gobbled up by the media and the intel community. Seriously, a 4chan prank!?! What has happened to journalism in America.
These are just Obama appointees. He’s really having a disgraceful last few months in office.
re: “There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.”
Sorry, Glen but that ain’t gonna happen. Moreover while the article made some valid points, the above suggestions would only serve to support current CIA malfeasance and criminality. How is that a good thing?
Democrats will believe just about anything at this point, even if it comes from those whom they have traditionally counted among their worst enemies. As a result of this election, Cold War zealotry and paranoia has returned en force, only flipped. The McCarthyist conspiracy theorists and warmongers are now on the left, while the sane and rational people are on the right. I wonder if this is going to just be temporary or if it represents a permanent re-alignment in American politics.
Also it’s fitting that the CIA and MI6 are the real culprits behind the worst “fake news” of all, as much as they keep trying to pin all the blame on Russia.
Help…The BBC just reported more US tanks and troops coming to Poland. Will the next desperate step of the deep state be to launch an all out war against Russia in Ukraine ? As some have said…F the EU !
Please don’t “F” the EU. There are many good people living here. But I do agree that putting US troops on the “eastern front” makes a statement, if USNews is to be believed, “US troops to arrive in Europe in January to reassure allies.” If those are the intentions of the outgoing US President, one has to wonder at the intentions of the incoming US President.
Prayer services will be held from tomorrow through until Sunday at relgious establishments near you.
Meanwhile, we have emails that prove that Hillary is totally corrupt and a criminal. Even her lacky, James Comey, said she was extremely negligent with clssified documents. Guess what, the law says if you are extremely negligent with classified documents that you commited a crime. Not to mention the gun-running between Libya and Syria which ultimately armed ISIS.. . and it is obvious why you guys are so worried about potty mouth Trump but love the criminal lady. I mean we have verifiable, undeniable proof in the emails that most leftist news organizations told you not to read. Clearly some unsubstantiated nonsense about Trump and the Russians is much more important that high crimes and treason. Besides, no one would have ever read those emails we aren’t supposed to read if the Russians hadn’t hacked the election, well not really the election , but the DNC and Podesta. God, you fools will believe anything, except for the truth.
just heard a russian journalist discussing putin’s mastery of the “the politics of spectacle”
takeaway quote: “when no one believes anything, putin wins”
it’s harder and harder to believe anything the american media has to say. who’s winning?
The Democratic Party is all fucked up, Part 7,967,264
Sen. Cory Booker — whom many think has plans to run for POTUS soon at a theater near you — joined Republicans voting against a Bernie Sanders amendment allowing the import of cheaper pharmaceuticals.
#8yearsforTrump
Bernie Sanders: Donald Trump Is Right About Big Pharma
(My emphasis)
Of course it’s not going to be done. The Democrats are too busy being Republican Lite. Few know that better than Bernie Sanders.
Neither Party will challenge the corporatism or crony capitalism of Big Pharma, Big Energy, Big Banks, Big Insurance, Big Agribusiness, Big Prisons, Big Tech-providers (I’ve probably missed a few ‘Big”s here) or the military-industrial complex. But they’re really different about wedge-issues! Woo-hoo!
You might be surprised. When Trump says Drain the Swamp, he means it. And he has a populist movement behind him. Why, otherwise, would he even raise the issue?
Perhaps he’s a liar. Just a thought. His cabinet seems awfully swampy to me, and he won’t prosecute Clinton or even pursue further investigations for what he previously regarded as her unforgiveable behavior – so it appears he’s a big talker and not a big doer in this regard.
You poor liberals are so sad without obama and big gov’t to protect you from the real world.
Yes, isn’t that the truth. Republicans are really about health care, and public employees, and immigration reform, and border relaxation, and Equality, and trannies every day on A1, and services, and gun control, and Climate Change, and folks, and public broadcasting, and Planned Parenthood, and 15.00/hr., and….
Obamacare is an expanded form of Romneycare, and Obama deported more immigrants than any other president, so in those issues the GOP and Dems are very similar – so you can see Mona’s point. Mostly the rest of the things you mention are wedge-issues (though I confess to not knowing what “trannies on A1″ means), which are not profoundly defining aspects of any comprehensive philosophical distinction.
As for Big Pharma, Big Energy, Big Banks, Big Insurance, Big Agribusiness, Big Tech-providers etc. or the military-industrial complex, the two major Parties are also awfully alike in their lack of ameliorating the problems of cronyism and corruption.
Maisie, Obama did NOT deport more immigrants. He just changed the definition to mean those caught at the border. A definition never used by the government, which counted those deported after they successfully made it into the country.
Romney is a Massachusetts RINO who signed legislation cooked up by Therese Murray and Sal DiMasi. Romney is a Rockefeller Repub.
repubs are every bit as corrupt as dems. romneycare was just a variant on the heritage foundation plan from the late 80’s.
Perhaps President Trump should ask Sen. Sanders and Rep. John Conyers and doctors and nurses from PNHP (Physicians for a National Health Program) to join him and his team to come in for
a meeting to “crunch the numbers” on how a Medicare for All healthcare system would deliver the highest quality of healthcare to ALL Americans at the most affordable rate where folks could
move state to state, change employers, never again worry about losing their homes due to medical bills, and be able to negotiate fair drug prices on a national level AND deep six the cutthroat insurance corporations!
He is a smart business man. He should do what the Democrats
refused to do to make the United States become the GREATEST healthcare system the envy of the world!
Game on President Trump!
ALL of the American people would LOVE to get their Medicare cards in the mail!
Done and DONE!!!
Trump (once at least) in the past praised Single Payer health care (I think he mentioned the British and Canadian systems favorably), but has now declared it isn’t feasible in the U.S., presumably because his more excitable supporters would find out at some point that this is socialism and hate him madly for suggesting it, but perhaps he’ll have a Scrooge moment one night soon and get visited by the ghosts of healthcare past and future – waking up and racing to the bully pulpit in his dressing gown to declare Medicare For All…
If I can Dream (3 mins)
Somehow, it doesn’t seem too likely…
Thank you for volunteering to pay for your socialist fantasy. I am sure you have already sent a large donation to the government. Oh wait. You thought all that stuff was free? And you’re talking about crunching numbers. You obviously wouldn’t know how.
I would promptly insert any such card directly into my shredder. You can have your garbage rationed socialist healthcare at the hands of cut-rate government employed doctors, and during the six months that you’re waiting for treatment my family and I will be in, out, and done already with our very decent and affordable PRIVATE health insurance policy. Destroy my insurance company, and by doing so kill my wife and son, and YOU’LL be the one I hold responsible. I look forward to the mob treating you like Robespierre in the end.
Yes, and Trump would turn the democratic party on its head by doing so. A single payer option was touted as being impossible by the democrats even when they controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. If Trump were to make good on his anti-pharma rhetoric while simultaneously creating a medicare for all system, he would go down as the most popular first term President. More realistically however, he would show hor committed the democrats are to maintaining the pharma-friendly status quo.
This is greatly disturbing. I agree with a Karl comment.
If Trump would do that and use his political capital for that I’d ignore his golden showers and kleptocratic business dealings and support him.
A simple and meaningful step forward would be to include a provision in the health care laws that pharma companies may not charge any more for a drug sold in the US than the lowest price they (or their affiliates) charge for the same or similar drug sold elsewhere in the world.
The price of drugs sold in America would drop like a rock without other action required. Perhaps by 80%.
Half of Americans are said to be using doc-prescribed drugs, so the impact on costs would be enormous, and with no need to set up a huge government bureaucracy to (less effectively) “negotiate” the price of drugs on behalf of a “public option”.
It isn’t only the banksters who are strip-mining America. It’s the allied pharma and doc industries, as well. Paying for medical care isn’t the real problem. The bloated costs are.
Bernie Sanders has a shoddy as hell definition of “murder”. That entitled and crazy definition was clearly not what Trump meant at all. He thinks pharmaceutical companies are the enemy? Great…put them out of business, and good luck getting the government to develop all those drugs at an affordable price instead. We all see how efficient they are at R&D for the military.
News flash pharma capital of the US = New Jersey!
As did Menedez…hmm…both from NJ where there are a lot of pharmaceutical industries. This is why the Dem Party is no more trustworthy than the Repubs.
Donald,
Please read “Barry and the Boys”. A well documented history of CIA and heroin. Watch your back.
Ooops: link to stalked journalists in Minnesota
http://www.startribune.com/kstp-anchor-s-license-data-was-snooped-1-380-times-suit-says/224004771/
and many more. AIPAC and it’s sayanim are very active there, and very influential with the militarized police.
Thanks Glen for showing how the US intelligence agencies are embarrassingly childish and unfit for service. Trump should clean out these partisan players and remodel the secret services to act in the interest of ordinary Americans and not to be playing deep government games. Games which I believe they are using to corruptly enrich themselves while pretending to guard against real enemies of the state rather when they are arming and training terrorists to facilitate the plunder of countries like Libya and Syria and causing terrible loss of life and permanently damaging their coherent communities that enable them to live with some security and peace.
If there is to be any inquiries there should be an independent inquiry into the deep state activities of the intelligence agencies that are creating world chaos and suffering at a massive scale. The whole idea of a secret agency to act only for American business industries abroad and not for the people as a whole is unsustainable and its lack of accountability is frightening.
Furthermore the activities of pushers of disinformation like John McCain who hang out with known terrorists who are the true enemy of the state need to be openly investigated. In my eyes it is McCain who is treasonous and who is responsible for continually fomenting wars that kill young Americans so that war industries can profit from taxpayers money and the lives of many serviceman.
What we know to be true is that there was interference and cheating in the Primaries and the Presidential contests. The perpetrators have admitted their guilt with Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning and the exposure of Clinton getting copies of the debate questions while her opponents were not given the same advantage.
Finally when will there be a real inquiry into these known attempts to improperly nobble the electoral processes that make the USA look like a banana republic. So much for democracy and the fourth estate concept when this real cheating is not of interest to the mainstream media.
While no fan of Trump if he carries out his threat to drain the swamp also shines the spotlight on the rats that feed on the corruption he will have done the nation a and the world a favour. It is little wonder the squealing is getting more desperate.
Trump sure doesn’t like the allegations, but he’ll not actually “drain the swamp” of any alligators!
The Democrats and the Republicans (including Trump) work for the same team (Deep State), and taxpayers pay for the show!
Shaking Al’s hand was a memorable event, as his flesh was pudgy and as plump, and equally unspoiled as a new born baby butt; softer than a grandmothers well nursed boobies.
I think working people should be represented by people whose hands have known actual work, not just gladhanding.
And maybe Al should take up the issue of the use of Stingrays on his constituents, by certain of his state agencies more seriously-because all those spying war toys that the Democrats exploited the last 8 years as they exploited ilegally attained intelligence, and bullied activists with Wasserman-Scheitz-like blitzkriegs of blackmail and behind the scenes sabotage will now turned back at them-and it won’t be pretty ( at least that’s my hope.)
Then there’s that lil’ issue of how AIPAC has his state by the matzo-balls; how their types stalk and harass journalists like Alix Kendall, and many more- maybe he can address how they misuse the very notion of “community policing” to pre-empt the path to the ballot box….
Thought you might like to see this~!Anne
When the topic echelons of American Intelligence agencies conspire and collude with crooked and criminal senators like John McCain to attempt to bring down a validly elected President, it is time for arrests to be made and for heads to roll.
I have urged Senator Al Franken to oppose Sessions’ confirmation.
Write a friendly note if you agree.
Contact Al:
https://www.franken.senate.gov/?p=email_al
Heh.
You and Franken are both comedians. Only he got paid for his former gig at SNL.
I oppose Jeff Beauregard Sessions, III from being appointed to Attorney General and urged Sen. Franken to oppose.
what have you done?
It’s almost as if the Democrats and the Republicans are involved in a theatrical production and are not *really* opposed to one another, ain’t it?
C’mon Maisie. Hordes of partisan, party loyalists actually do believe the narrow areas in which there are differences constitute the defining, significant political chasms of our time.
Exquisitely said, and I really appreciate the dripping sarcasm. Politics seems to be reduced to wedge-issues, which are indeed significant for many vulnerable people, but the dramatic stage-fighting of our public “servants” never touches the steady devourings of the 1% establishment cronies gathered around the proverbial American pie (funny, that). The lack of actual, substantial opposition to Sessions (and the rest of them) is just one example of this obvious charade.
You seem to find it impossible to accept that most other people do not think and react as you do. All these Democrats and Republicans? They think it actually matters which party is in control. And for certain important issues, it does. Over-archingly, not. But most of them do not see that.
So you weren’t being sarcastic? You surprise me (not the first time).
I think they’re all (Dems and the GOP) certainly too scared to rock the planetary and societal ruination of the Deep State boat, but yes for certain matters it is indeed significant who is in power – but that’s hardly a reason to allow the outrageously corrupt looting and destruction and violence to continue under the phony banner of robust political discourse.
And I don’t “find it impossible to accept that most other people do not think and react” as I do, I just find a tolerance for the catastrophic corruption of corporatism, militarism and imperialism to be so disgusting in both parties that I oppose it without mercy and mock the pettiness and pretense of battle in Washington.
If the Soviet Union had had two parties, one run by ‘feminist’ in favour of abortion and the other run by a man against abortion, but who agreed on everything else. They’d still be in power.
Rival mobs often fight viciously over the same extortion rackets turf.
Do you believe that maybe Senator Franken’s expertise in fecal studies might provide enough solid evidence to deny Senator Sessions the A.G. position?
“Mr. Pompeo is going to have pull off the political balancing act of his career to keep the confidence of the Trump White House while winning over the C.I.A., an agency that is notoriously hostile to outsiders in the best of times…. At the C.I.A., the concerns are more parochial. The message officials will be looking to hear from Mr. Pompeo is, “I’m going to protect you from these guys,” said Michael V. Hayden, a former director of both the C.I.A. and the National Security Agency. ‘Every television set in Langley is going to be on for that hearing,’ Mr. Hayden said, referring to the town in Northern Virginia where the C.I.A. is based.”
“Mike Pompeo, Trump’s C.I.A. Pick, Faces the Balancing Act of His Career”, nytimes.com
Interesting piece by a former CIA operative. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/79535/failed-cia-coup/
“A Failed CIA Coup?”
….
“Trump is no longer committed to a policy of “building democracies” overseas, which for the neocon segment of the US foreign policy community, is a disaster.”
…..
“As many of you know I have written critically about Donald Trump in the past. But this is not about Donald Trump’s reputation, this is a full fledged assault by the some leaders of our intelligence organizations on the legitimately elected man who will become the President of the United States. The CIA may need to be dismantled. This is that serious. No U.S. intelligence organization has any right, legal or otherwise, to interfere in domestic politics.”
…..
He also quotes GG extensively in the piece.
From the article you linked:
Actually, Obama is already doing this, and has been for a while. Watch the following short clip for details:
USA & Russia Secretly Working Together (in Syria) All Along!
Deep State is exposing itself as unhinged and incredible, and just, well, exposing itself.
This is a good thing. In the Army they say, if it can be seen, it can be hit. If it can be hit, it can be destroyed.
They’ve emerged from the shadows, and if Trump has any wisdom, will deploy his lawyers to GAWKER-ize BUZZFEED, and perhaps others.
Then, come February, start rooting out the sabotaging, Manderin class in all parts of government. There should be no leaks, and no backstabbing.
If they do it for this sort of thing, how will we keep the vital secrets against the Russians, Chinese, Iranians and North Koreans?
Heads on pikes, Don. Heads on pikes.
Much of what’s rotted, demented and revolting about the Democratic Party captured in a piece about Minnesota Sen. Al Franken, who fucking isn’t sure how he’s going to vote on the Jeff Sessions nomination:
Perhaps Franken is merely rehearsing a new character for a possible return to his SNL gig. He’ll be playing a Democratic version of Joe McCarthy in a 1950’s alternate reality sci-fi skit. The title maybe is “Fuckup and Cover” or “The Blue State Red Scare.”
Don’t worry, Trump is really a liberal and best buds with the Clintons, as progressives said throughout the campaign. That extends to his liberal appointments.
No “progressive” of any note ever said Donald Trump is a “liberal.” Stop spamming the board with your Alex Jones bullshit. Go play at Prison Planet, where you belong.
Who really knows what kind of president Trump will make but one thing is for sure we are witnessing an unadulterated last gasp from the Democratic Party to undo Trump. It doesn’t take a journalist, spook or politician to see the desperation. Politics has always been a nefarious business but this activity truly is unprecedented.
This is a president you want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuvA1Uc4TY
What took so long? They thought they were going to give you another Clinton or Bush.
OBAMA has done everything HE could to diminish / belittle America no matter what his farewell speech said…Blacks are OUT of WORK at higher rates than when he came into office…More deaths in Chicago etc…Military lowest in decades…And the Liberal Press helped him accomplish THEIR mutual goals…imho
I can believe that Democrats would do anything to exact revenge on Trump voters. The pusillanimous snowflake dudes would go so far as to assassinate, murder, lie, cheat, or steal to remain in power if they want proof just ask the Clintons how they got away with murder 57 times. Publishing a fake-news lie is not beyond their dossier of dirty tricks. God help America,because the media and Democrats will not.
I have never read an Intercept comments thread before. I am surprised to find that most of the commenters are more rabid than those on a Guardian article about global warming.
Why is most alarming to me is the shocking level of hate, and the urgency attached to all of which you eloquently speak about, I know if I had spoken out about the atrocities in Syria, and used the same tone, words and had a major media platform I might not be alive today.
I believe this 35 page dossier has more credibility that GG gives it. Firstly, it wasn’t produced by the “Deep State”. It was produced by a now named private contractor. If we are to assume that these memos are a fabrication, we have to consider that contractor’s motivations. Clearly, he had a motivation to please whoever hired him, but there are many details there that don’t serve that purpose. For example, I found it fascinating that the disclosures have caused massive dislocation in senior Russian circles in dealing with the fallout. The writer of these memos doesn’t please his paymaster by such disclosure, but it is credible and could only have been written by someone with serious connections.
great article, and Rebecca Solnit . . oh my goodness.
It’s time to clean house at the CIA from top to bottom. Church committee 2.0, except this time all crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of where they lead back to. So shall they serve as an example to all of those who would seek to distort and abuse our laws and people.
Thanks to Glenn Greenwald for this well-reasoned and enlightening article. He is one of the dwindling few journalists covering American politics who knows the difference between chicken salad and chicken sh–.
The allegations leveled at Trump are a common fact of American politics going back to the foundation. The problem is when the public forgets they are just unproven allegations. These present accusations are no different that Trumps allegations that Obama was not a US citizen (what go around comes around) or the accusations against the Clintons had something to do with the death of Vince Foster. I even remember Karl Rove’s first big smear that Bush Campaign for Texas governor found a bug in their offices and blamed it on the democrats days before the election.
In law enforcement you start with an allegation, many times an exaggeration of crimes to increase the likelihood of the defendant settling on a plea deal.
It doesn’t seem a problem publishing allegations just like are common in the news about any criminal acts. I have no problem with Buzzfeed publishing the accusations. They are only accusations. If they were malicious lies with the intent to damage Trump than he can sue.
But there are other allegations about Trump and his various business partners like Bayrock as an example that may if true would have serious consequences. So the upshot is these allegations are just that, They are an opportunity for journalists to do there work and find out what whether there is factual data to support the allegations.
Nailed it. All this stuff is baked into the cake. It happens. I welcome shining a light on The Deep State but not because I really think it’s going to change. You set up a an Intel base because you need one but don’t be shocked when they are a shadowy, deceptive bunch. That’s why you need a POTUS who can strike some level of mutual respect balance and try to manage them at least a little. I do wish him/her luck because they are a force to be reckoned with but I’d rather do that than get rid of them or pretend I don’t need them. As for the neocons, again there’s always going to be a faction in a country like the US that is prone to military muscularity. I don’t like it and I don’t agree with it but it is A way to view the world. They can make their case. I don’t begrudge them that. They have certainly gotten it wrong (badly) but they’re always going to be there and you’re always going to have to debate them. Comments sections are filled with people who think they know the real truth about everything and what should be when it’s all just a living, breathing work-in-progress.
Unlike the Wicked Witch of the West, who evaporated sinuously downward into a smoking pile of nothingness in a mere moment or two when Dorothy hit her in the face with that bucket of water, the pool of foul smelling slime into which the Democratic Party of the Clintons and Obama finally melted had been morphing gradually into that goo for decades, reaching its highest level of shape-shifting toxicity ever in the recent presidential race and its aftermath.
How could it not have, it’s what its made of. Slime is mother’s milk for the snakes in the pit over at the DNC. But, it also doubles as a weapon. And, look how much they’ve deployed it: Bernie Sanders, slimed; Jill Stein, slimed; Trump, slimed; Putin, slimed; Assange, slimed; Snowden, slimed; Manning, slimed; journalists who call them on their bs, slimed; anyone who opposes them, slimed. Anyone who doesn’t instantly and unquestioningly take the opinion of the “experts” they’ve deemed are correct, slimed. That’s just a small sample, of course.
It’s been sickening watching the left, as far back as the summer, setting up Trump as being in some sort of cahoots with Putin on some level. It was an obviously desperate move from the start, one tiny hint for that being that there was absolutely no concern by the Dems about a Russian/Putin connection with Trump that had EXISTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR AMERICA THAT ONLY THE DEMOCRATS COULD UNDERSTAND until he became a threat to Clinton’s coronation. Why the urgency, all of a sudden?
There has been some entertainment value in watching the Best and the Brightest and their stunned supporters adjust with so little dignity to the loss. They didn’t have a clue what was coming because they believed their own propaganda, and I’ve just been embarrassed for them because they’ve reacted the way children react when they get caught doing something they’re not supposed to be doing, namely, by blaming others and trying to deflect attention away from themselves in childish attempts to escape consequences for their actions. The Democrats seem to simply be constitutionally incapable of accepting responsibility for their election loss. They are forever stuck with that horrified look that the Wicked Witch had on her soaked face when she began her final meltdown. I think it suits them.
Even if there was some type of meddling by the Russians, and I’m not excusing it if there was, the response of the Democrats has been pathetic and desperate, and makes me thank my lucky stars they didn’t get in. Think of what they are doing: Sliming people who found out, through the release of emails taken from an account that was amateurishly protected and ridiculously hackable, that they had been sliming any number of other people simply for being at odds with them in some way. The slime is multi-layered here, and nothing has to be proved–just throw it against the wall and see how much sticks.
Part of the bad news with these people is that they are beyond shame. The good news is that they’ve managed to make themselves irrelevant, so it doesn’t matter.
Yes, absolutely.
Buzzard Feeders get a life! You lost an election because Americans saw the truth behind big media bullshit!
ask not on whom the pee falls. It falls on thee.
If zero hedge is right (links in comments below) and a 4chan prank is the latest intel scoop of the Deep State, with all its ability to spy everywhere at all times on everybody and everything: ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
It would be hard to overstate how much I want that 4Chan thing to be true. Purely hilarious if so.
It’s 100% true. /pol/ did it. Greatest troll in the history of the interwebs.
kek
Members of the government establishment that thrives in the swamp that is Washington D.C., now includes the intelligence community, along with their buddies in the MSM, the political elites (both democrats and republicans) the lobbyists, and the wealthy political donors all worried that Donald Trump is going to drain the swamp of their corruption. I hope these swamp dwellers fail as they direct all of their means to try to destroy DT before he destroys them.
Good work as always. With Murrow-caliber journalists like you and some of your colleagues at TI, and also Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, we’ll at least be able to fight back against the bi-partisan totalitarianism seizing our country.
Senator Frank Church of Idaho gave the following dire and prophetic warnings about the Shadow Government in 1975, over forty years ago:
“The United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air…at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.
…the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology…
I don’t want to see this country ever go across that bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”
( http://alolyo.blogspot.in/2016/06/military-industrial-psychosis-with.html )
Church was reacting to large part to the now forgotten ur NSA whistleblower Perry Fellwock. And it’s really sad that The Intercept has yet to acknowledge let alone write about his role. Snowden ignores him too.
Perry is still alive and living in NYC.
When Perry wrote about NSA few even knew that it existed, let alone anything about it.
For the guy that came up with the original fake news birther bullsh1t with his own anonymous sources it’s fitting.
The president-elect poses numerous threats to the democracy. If the occasional leak slows him down by raising his own birther controversy so be it. That is a national service.
As you note in other articles Edward Snowden is very much in favor of some aspects of the intelligence community. I’m waiting for your positive articles on the intelligence community.
If you want puff pieces about the intelligence community, go watch CNN/FOX/etc. The Intercept is an investigative journalism website; their main goal is to CHALLENGE power, not kneel before it.
I love GG’s work. Read it regularly with relish.
My point – and it’s more to the message board than anything – is to realize there are thousands of hardworking people within what you call the Deep State that are working to protect your rights. There are people controlling and using information unearthed inappropriately and that should be revealed and stopped.
Acknowledging that goes a long way to broaden the reach of your legitimate message. Having everything devolve into Democrats suck, Republicans suck, Hillary sucks etc really accomplishes nothing.
I am looking for a prescriptive message of how to reform – what is good as well as what is bad – that’s the puff piece I want to see.
I’d say it’s the Deep State and sycophants like you that “poses numerous threats to democracy.”
Thanks Ms. Ham! Never been called a sycophant before.
Edward Snowden is very much in favor of Glenn Greenwald’s reporting.
Aren’t these the same nitwit who convinced us that Saddam possessed yellowcake uranium and WMDs?
After Saddam, Gaddafi, Putin, Assad amongst others the intelligence community and the subservient ‘press’ have finally turned on their own. Wonder how soon before they begin to make reference to the Trump ‘regime’.
The question they don’t want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1ZQ99pKbY
and the answer is at the end.
How refreshing! This is a balanced and well written article. The fact is, Trump is potentially very dangerous to our nation. However, the one sided alliances with the left of the majority press and much of the government bureaucracy is even more dangerous. After the partisanship demonstrated by CIA functionaries over the last two decades one can no longer trust a thing they say without first investigating the claims thoroughly. Our nation is in real trouble with a press and government bureaucracy we simply cannot trust!
Sometimes, though, you have to admit, the s?m?a?l?l?-?h?a?n?d?e?d? small-minded one doth protest too much, dothent he?
Sad!
Want to put that in English? Then again, please don’t. Or if you do, wait till morning when you’re sober or at least semi-conscious.
Looks to me that Deep State is in disagreement with itself. It has nothing to do with us, the audience. Might as well just watch the performance.
Trump vs Intelligence Community … who will believe either of them?
Trump has shown no reason not to believe he’s an honest guy.
What you smokin’?
Comments like yours, ridiculous, insane, but stated with apparent sincerity and therefore uncategorizable as serious or satirical – are why TI needs a comments archive.
Donald Trump and the Democratic hacks have, taken together, made Poe’s Law the rule of the world.
I would say DT has more credibility than the “intelligence” community at this point. The intelligence community just shot itself in the foot in their attempt to smear DT.
Let me spell it out:
Trump is attacking the Zionists and their flunkies who run America
Putin is also at war with the same people.
The Zionists are fighting for their lives
Anything goes
This is just another brazen and out and out attempt to circumvent the Constitution and the will of the American people by the LEFWING who cannot abide being defeated and told what to do by the American people. We are living in dangerous times when you have a DEMOCRATIC party openly trying to deny the President Elect his rightful position as given to him by the people.
How do you explain then, John McCain handing over intelligence info to the FBI?
Ummm, maybe the “agent” who handed the info to McShame is still working for The Clinton Crime Family?
McCain, Her Royal Highness and Graham have been tighterthanthis for years.
McCain ? Intelligence info his party paid for, along with the Dems ? LOL, His has been a RINO for years. Why do you think we elected Obama, over this has been ? He should retire like Dirty Harry Reed. Remember, they both get Cadilac private healthcare and $174K salary for life…
Your mistake here is in believing the so-called “Democratic” Party is the left-wing in this country. The REAL left-wing would be the Green Party, which the Democrats seem about ready to ban if they think they could get away with doing so (read Borzou Daragahi’s tweet that Glenn put in the above article).
No. The REAL Progressive Left Wing Party is The Citizens Party!
Votecitizens.org
Listening, as usual, to Bill Press this morning on “Progressive Talk” Radio, I was both outraged and amused by Press’ utter naivete and ignorant, breathless gullibility. Press is typical here: a liberal talk show host, ordinarily a bit skeptical about the CIA and our “intelligence” agencies in general, now swooning (really) over their evidence-free bullshit stories. His producer, Peter Ogburn, had to really dance on this one: He didn’t seem to be buying the whole thing, and he was noticeably demurring as his boss became unhinged. A sad spectacle, and God Almighty, that’s just Press.
I was listening to Press’ show after the election, and he seemed to have learned something, talking to John Nichols about Clinton’s abhorrent campaign. But no. He’s back in the ether, or hitting the bottle, or whatever, and the whole liberal chattering class is about where he is. Very disturbing, and revealing. When these schmucks start approvingly quoting a war-mongering fraud and simpleton like Lindsey Graham (as Press did), it’s safe to say they’ve lost their way.
Apparently MI6?s genius, Christopher David Steele, is now under the protection of the British government. My hunch is that he’s more concerned about facing the FBI and the coming legal investigation than any Russian for what appears to be a slanderous concoction intended to “influence” public perception on our future president.
If in fact the British government is protecting him, they should make him available for interviews by the FBI, or Theresa May could face political repercussions of her own under Trump. She seems to be moving quite slowly on Brexit anyway, so perhaps her government worked in collusion with Mr. Steele against Trump’s populist message?
If you go to the Internet Archive and search for orbisbi, you’ll find that they changed their service offering from “Insight, Influence, and Intelligence” to “Insight, Investigations, and Intelligence”. In other words, they thought it wise to substitute “Influence” for “Investigations” a few years ago. Too controversial I suppose. Somebody at Corbis forgot to inform Mr. Steele that his company is no longer involved in the “Influence” part… you know, that part about crafting unsubstantiated slanderous accusations and spoon-feeding same back to your associates in the intel community, so they can the leak it to the presstitutes for mass consumption at CNN or WaPo. What a pack of conniving rats if this is the case.
Actions like this compromise the special relationship between the UK and USA. Trump was already requesting the bust of Winston Churchill be prominently displayed in the Oval Office again. Propaganda like this discredits the honest, hard-working, truly patriotic analysts worldwide.
Glenn Greenwald is doing a fantastic job of reporting these past days! Courageous, talented, and intellectually honest articles.
http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-01-11/the-day-4chan-trolled-neocons-intelligence-agencies-and-the-mainstream-media/
This has been debunked. The timeline doesn’t match.
“There is a real danger here that this maneuver can harshly backfire, to the great benefit of Trump and to the great detriment of those who want to oppose him. If any of the significant claims in this ‘dossier’ turn out to be provably false — such as Cohen’s trip to Prague — many people will conclude, with Trump’s encouragement, that large media outlets (CNN and BuzzFeed) and anti-Trump factions inside the government (CIA) are deploying ‘Fake News’ to destroy him.”
Maybe people will conclude this because it’s actually true.
Best synopsis and comment I’ve seen yet:
“Given that Rick Wilson runs in Establishment circles, it is not an impossible scenario that long-serving senators are falling for what amounts to a 4chan troll trump supporter creating an ironic October Surprise out of wholecloth to punk a GOPe pundit who derogatorily referred to them as single men who masturbate to anime.”
Kennedy(s), MLK knew all about the deep cover government, read the book Harrlots Ghost if you want insight into the CIA and Government agencies during Cuba MC and Kennedy etc. They are alive and well! WHO is the government?
Oh please. If only you’d written this same article at any point about the endless and relentless stream of unverified and even proven rumors and lies about Hillary Clinton that cascaded from the media and false news industry…then maybe this article could be taken seriously. But you didn’t…and it can’t.
The far-left Trump haters are now displaying their mass psychosis known as politically correct ‘progressivism’. If it were not for their lies, distortions and endless repertoire of infantile pejoratives their facade would collapse into its own vacuum. The DNC and their quislings no longer simply have a rotten underbelly, they are rancid to the bone. President Trump will take office on Jan20 in part because he is immune to their little girl playround taunts.
Dear Leonid, You have conflated the liberals with the “far-left” and “progressivism”. Obama, Podesta, Clinton DNC and the inventors of this Russia nonsense are the same, liberal coastal elites who were shocked when Trump won. You will find the far left complaining about the actions of the liberals since Trump won. Check out counterpunch.org as example.
The Liberal Fascist octopus has sung its swan song.
Unfortunately, although it is undeniably good to challenge the faux legitimacy of this unverified document(just as it is good to challenge all evidence-free gossip), Greenwald is playing right into the hands of the Deep State here by unwittingly adding his considerable voice to the establishment theater portraying Donald Trump as an outsider, a rebel disliked by the Powers That Be.
This is an illusion (the notion that Trump is a threat to the Deep State), but one that is in fact very useful to the establishment since it promotes the idea that something really has changed in the corrupt system with Trump’s presidency – which is a way of deflating a united uprising by the continually-divided U.S. populace against the corrupt establishment as a whole. (See my comment here for more details on how Trump is just as much a puppet of the Deep State as Barack Obama.)
Donald Trump is no more anti-establishment than Hillary Clinton is; the pretense that he is should not be encouraged, as this readily serves the ongoing and non-stop corruption of corporatism, militarism and imperialism behind the clever but despicably deceptive charade of American politics.
(If you do click on the “my comment here” link, scroll down a little to see the highlighted post as it may not be immediately apparent.)
Ah, you’re talking about this photo, aren’t you?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.jpg
Tee hee hee.
Well, there may be some significant fractures within the “Deep State” these days, Maisie. Similar to what happened within the Soviet Union as it collapsed into pieces, too. I’d recommend reading Richard Rhodes “Arsenals of Folly” as a decent primer on both the American and Soviet status at the end of the Cold War. Google it.
I don’t believe there are any “fractures” at all. The charade has been astonishingly effective, even fooling the admittedly impressive thinkers here.
If Trump closes down any part of the Deep State, I will be glad to admit I was wrong. But he won’t.
A good example of a Deep State fracture:
LA Times: “In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA”
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html
It’s also true that it’s not exactly like the Soviet Union, since the contactors are always trying to outdo each other- but they have a shared agenda in keeping the pie from shrinking. The reality, of course, is that a 50% reduction in the U.S. military-industrial budget is entirely reasonable, those contractors are overpaid (see Jeremey Corbyn’s wage cap proposal for government contractors).
Other sections of the Deep State have coalesced, though. The Bush neocons got in bed with the Clinton neoliberals and have formed a single block with the bureaucrats in the executive branch and the military-industrial corporate contractors. This is actually a sign of desperation and weakness – as the Pelosi/McCain alliance demonstrates, the real structure is becoming apparent. And a lot of people won’t like that.
Syria is not an example of Deep State fracture, as far as I’m concerned, although it is indeed a fine example of a complete mess. The move from supporting al Qaeda offshoots to fighting them is relatively recent. As an example of how things are far more cohesive beneath the surface of what we’re told, Jimmy Dore released a vid covering a recent Military Times article that shows that Russia and the U.S. are now fighting together and avoiding striking Syrian troops even though the public is still convinced only Trump (and not Obama) wants to work with Russia.
USA & Russia Secretly Working Together All Along!
This is the Deep State and its theater in bold relief.
Glenn believes, correctly in my view, that Donald Trump is fundamentally unstable, which the Establishment finds intolerable. Unpredictability is not their thing in a President. He’s too…odd to follow their drift and do “the right thing.” That, and his circle’s vulgar racism and friendliness to all sorts of reprobates will continue to stir up the masses, sending them in possibly uncontrollable directions.
That may be Glenn’s (and your) opinion, but Trump is not at all a threat to the Deep State’s corporatist warmongering objectives – which comprise the significant corruption via Big Banks, Big Energy and the military-industrial complex which Greenwald rightly implicates in his summary.
Trump’s unpredictably is already being intimidated into shape by the authorities, and is (in my opinion) of far lesser concern to the Deep State than any interference with their Full Spectrum Dominance – a goal which Trump has shown himself willing to pursue wholeheartedly.
What is “the right thing?” As far as “stir up the masses”…why not? I’d say a little stirring is in order. And isn’t all racism “vulgar?” And don’t all pols have friendly ties to “reprobates?”
I’m not being cute here. I really can’t quite parse what you’re saying in toto.
Virginia, I am thrilled at the idea of stirring up the masses, however, the suffering and setbacks to, say, black people that will likely induce it are horrifying for me to consider. Or if/when women are told, in state after state, the law compels them to stay pregnant. I was not one of those who endorsed voting for Trump to “heighten the contradictions.”
Keep deluding yourself. Unstable people don’t navigate the NYC building department, or successfully hire for a business empire, or negotiate lucrative partnerships.
What the establishment’s management finds intolerable is Trump is a non-initiate–a non-initiate who sought and found executive political power.
Of course they can and do things just like that. Adolph Hitler was deeply unstable — which is why many in his closest circle turned and tried to kill him. Joseph Stalin was a paranoid, unstable man. Both Hitler and Stalin were supremely successful at “navigating” the political processes in their times and places.
And let me remind folks, you — who insists Donald Trump is a model of sane and sober thinking — have this guy as your favorite author.
That’s curious, because you know I’ve never written that he’s my favorite author. Then again you also know you didn’t have the brains to know We Are Change was founded as a truther site.
When Trump founds a “Socialist Workers Party,” “National” as in NPR–and conservatives dig the name, and show up on the doorstep of the function hall with craft beer in hand–then you neuroses will be justified.
Oh geez, you mean all those links to Fritz’s “work” was because you don’t really appreciate this ex con — imprisoned for armed bank robbery — who thinks the Illuminati is in league with Satan to control minds? How’s about that Brother Nathanael whose radio broadcasts you’ve so often promoted in Glenn’s space? You don’t actually like the guy?
Maisie, this is one point on which I think you need to take a more nuanced and open-minded view.
Donald Trump is not part of the traditional Rulers’ Cabal that we sometimes call the Deep State. He’s relatively rich, he shares many of their beliefs in global finance-industrial capitalism, he has reflexive fondness for American exceptionalism and use of force, etc., but he’s not “one of them.”
He has never been to, let alone completed, Rulers’ Finishing School, he doesn’t employ the polished Doublespeak and Newspeak of the 21st century (dialects that would make Orwell jealous), he doesn’t respect the conventions of Polite Power Society and he’s an egomaniac with a long history of going rogue and not giving a shit what anyone thinks about it.
I’m pretty certain that the absolutely unprecedented machinations and Theatre of the Desperately Absurd that we are seeing are prompted by the Owners’ genuine concern that Trump won’t play by “The Rules” and will, consequently, fuck with the settled Order of Things in their snug little Worldwide Junta.
The utterly wild and crazy shit you see happening would not be required, or even considered, if They weren’t seriously worried.
I think the panic or serious worry you are seeing is only from those uninformed as to the nature of the game; naïve tribalists (even on high levels of the establishment) who really don’t see the unified corruption above them – the corruption that never ceases to advance the interests of the 1% regardless of who is in power.
Trump simply wouldn’t be president-elect if the Powers That Be didn’t want him there. This is not a democracy – and hasn’t been for decades, it seems.
I’d agree with you, Maisie, if it wasn’t for the fact that these entities seem willing to destroy themselves in the process of destroying the Drumpster. I think they see him as a threat. Sometimes Occam’s Razor does apply.
I’ve seen nothing to indicate Trump will really shake anything up; indeed to date he’s only entrenched the lame and offensive fault-lines between merely wedge-issue partisans even more (not that these are matters without any consequence, but they do not impact the more catastrophic evils of corporatism, militarism or imperialism), which again serves the establishment more than provoking it with any real challenge.
I guess we’ll see soon enough if he actually “brings it on” against the massive corruption (his “swamp draining” is proving to be pretty laughable, you must admit), but I think he’s about as much of a pathetic change-agent regarding the grander issues of institutional corruption as is the disappointing President Obama.
Thank you (everyone), for at least giving my cynical view some contemplation.
1. They do not have super villain powers.
2. It remains to be seen whether he actually is allowed to remain president. If I were him, or the family and advisers counseling him, I’d be paying mega-bucks for supremely vetted security.
Thanks for the discussion.
True. Some are worried.
They are not a monolith.
They are more united than not, in my opinion. And not beyond putting on a convincing show.
Sonja, please do stick around. Your contributions have been excellent.
This article, and The Intercept in general, have done no such thing.
Much less “unwittingly.” Greenwald is very clear on where he stands, and his writing leaves no doubt. He has not encouraged anyone to pretend Trump is “anti-establishment.” Greenwald has laid bare some items of evidence for a very specific rift in the Deep State. Anyone who has been paying attention should suspect there could be. A simple perusal of credible reporting about the CIA and the FBI’s roles in this election would raise the question. Greenwald has not hinted that anyone should go beyond that evidence or encouraged anyone to do so; he has done precisely the opposite.
It is those who bray until they are hoarse and until they have silenced absolutely every voice in opposition to abject partisanship who have created the very dangerous delusion that there is no truth, there are only sides, and when a person speaks in an attempt to reach some kind of truth he are nothing but a dupe.
(Try telling the latest innocent person who spent years in jail for a crime he did not commit that there is no truth.)
On the other hand, there is no message that cannot be twisted or subverted. Fear of that cannot be allowed to discredit articles like this one, or cause anyone to self-censor this message — precisely this one, and not some sanitized version, written while looking over one’s shoulder to make sure some Trump partisans don’t get the wrong idea.
Kind-of odd, frankly, that you chose to make a point that could have been made without the claim that Greenwald is unwittingly carrying the Deep State’s water. One could say, for example, “let’s at the same time keep in mind that Trump is also part of the establishment, etc.” No one who is paying attention disagrees.
I don’t intend to go into this any further, but suffice it to say my intention was not to discredit the article or Greenwald (whom I greatly admire, even if I disagree with him at times – I could blame him for this, as he told me when he signed a copy of his book “With Liberty and Justice For Some” that “It sure is” in response to my comment that “It’s good to question what we’re told, isn’t it?”) – but I’m certainly glad you could air your thoughtful view on my post.
I agree with Maisie. I simply can’t buy Trump as an anti-establishment figure. If there is a Deep State, they know how easy it will be to manipulate him. He doesn’t even want to go to Washington D.C. They know he’s got a short attention span and little self-control. The man can’t handle Rosie O’ Donnell for chrissake.
Rosie O’Donnell can’t handle Rosie O’ Donnell for chrissake. Have you ever read or listened to the woman?
“He doesn’t even want to go to Washington D.C.”
That’s a point in his favor I’d say.
And I don’t like or trust the bastard.
And what is so pathetic is that these same political operatives (read, “shameless hacks”) are still trying to prove that Hillary should be President (!) And they are willing to stoop to absolutely anything — poison any well, expend what little political capital they still retain, and risk contributing to Trump’s longer-term invulnerability — in order to press this utterly pointless view.
It’s unbelievable. I would not have thought they were this divorced from reality. What happened? (Are the people managing the world’s largest arsenal and the global financial system more level-headed?)
At least Don Quixote was an idealist, of sorts.
They have a shit ton of money to keep pushing her tired, repulsive ass. I doubt all that Clinton campaign money got spent, and some of it is still out there pushing narratives. I can’t believe that there are enough stupid people who are politically active to STILL be parroting absurd Clintonite/Correct the Record talking points (see many posters now spouting the same here, someone is targeting this article specifically, I would guess). She is definitely refusing to give up and go the fuck away. My turn, MY TURN, waaah!!!
Truth and facts are NOT relevant to the liberal party mind. These two assertions are practically impossible for the grasp of the reality of their party and associates.
I couldn’t understand this, so I ran it through Google Translate. This is what I got:
Is that right?
Good one.
It becomes more and more important to maintain a sense of humor.
Doug is often freakin’ hilarious.
Hahaha, I love me some Pinay’s and recognize that language anywhere.
maayo nga usa; daghang salamat.
Nalingaw gayod ako niini
Couldn’t have said it better, thanks.
Dear Glenn Greenwald –
Sam Biddle and Robert Mackey … do your readers a favor and show these guys the exit door. I hear Mother Jones is looking for a few more shills.
Thanks in advance.
A. Citizen
C’mon now. You have to allow for all sorts of ideas and political opinion. Otherwise this whole enterprise becomes boring. Right? I mean just because I think Hillary is a POS criminal who gives not a shit about the world, or any animal or fish or plant living in it, doesn’t mean I think Trump is a saint, or that he himself is only in it to make some extra money for himself and his family.
When will republicans get it through their heads that it is not right vs. left, but us vs. all of them?
Are you assuming A. Citizen is a Repub? Whatever the case, I am the farthest thing from one myself, nor am I a fan of Trump; however, I fully agree with the sentiment. The Bid-Mac duo has proven unworthy time and time again of putting forth any coherent, well-supported ideas or opinion.
Golden showers,
Fill your eyes
Smiles await you when you rise
Sleep pretty darling
Do not cry
And I will sing a lullaby.
Well written article. However, the battle has just started. The establishment and their two handed grip on corruption in Washington DC are not going to let go easily or quietly. Trump is truly working for the people and owes no one his allegiance. However, as time goes on, the desperation of the corrupt will manifestate in more and more bizarre ways.
You’re absolutely right, Glenn. I read your book on Snowden, excellent work. L. Fletcher Prouty’s The Secret Team documents the CIAs operations in the use of cover stories and other literary means of subverting governments worldwide. He heavily emphasizes the use of writers – extremely good writers, highly paid – to manipulate facts, lies, half-truths to whatever degree necessary to manipulate populations and events. And the CIA did kill the Kennedys, all three, and through their total control of information have completely concealed themselves. You are one right-on Dude!
Glenn,
I really enjoyed your article and analysis. With all of the resistance to Trump from the beginning of his campaign from both left and right and now from within our own government’s institutions. Do you think it might be worth looking into whether there is something more sinister behind all of it? Maybe attempts by powerful people to undermine our democracy because Trump is not their chosen man? I know that it sounds strange, but something doesn’t feel right about all of this. Thank you.
I can’t wait until the vigilante squads round up all the subversives inside and outside the government. All the people on the Alt-Left sent off to concentration camps and their former masters strung up like the fascists in Italy were after Italy capitulated. What a wonderful day it will be to read by the light of their rendered fat and bath with soap made from their lifeless bodies. All this is tongue-in-cheek, but if a few of them actually believe what preceded this, they are probably the same ones that swallowed this crap put forth by the Dems and the CIA, too.
Just sort of a side observation. But it seems like the Russians can’t keep anything secret.
–Russians immediately identified as having hacked Podesta’s email and DNC server.
–Russians were caught giving the information to Wikileaks.
–There is direct proof that Putin himself ordered and directed the hacks.
–There is direct proof Russian Army intelligence sponsored the hacking attacks.
–Russians couldn’t hide the secret communications between Vlad and Donald via some German bank server.
–All the malware on all the computers were immediately identified as Russian in origin.
–US discovered that Russians were controlling the electrical grid in Vermont.
–Russians were discovered to have been grooming Trump starting over a decade ago I believe it was.
–An English private investigator discovered the Russians were blackmailing Trump with video showing various non-standard sexual practices.
–It was discovered that Trump’s lawyer was in Prague.
–Russia was discovered as undermining the election by having a debate on RT with Stein and the Libertarian guy.
–Russia was caught spreading propaganda through Drudge and other sites.
–It was discovered that the inner circles of the Russian government are angry at Putin for directing the hacks.
I am sure I have missed a few. I sure am glad that the Russians are incapable of keeping secrets otherwise how we may not know that Putin will invade Lithuania when Trump becomes President.
–Breaking news. Putin wants Trump to build a wall on the border so the Russian mafia can control the US heroin market.
“Erelis, ever been to the former CCCP ? Didn’t think so… I have many times, and HATE Putler…. but, clearly you are an ObamaPhone user… This FAKE NEWS has gotten your attention.
Bravo.
Just looked up Glenn Greenwald’s February 8, 2012 article, “Repulsive Progressive Hypocrisy,” which I plan to disseminate among all my philosophy students along with this, and With Liberty and Justice For Some as very highly recommended.
They no longer have much of an idea of what critical thinking is like. If they are under 20, they may not have seen any.
Yeah, well that and real freedom and stuff. “Paperien bitte!”
True. Those who came of age after 9/11 have little notion of what having a real 4th Amendment would be like, much less a debt-free education.
That’s not something I can convey to them as easily.
(I couldn’t watch that whole video. It’s later than we think.)
So the DNC has prevented the FBI from accessing its servers and computers.
Now there is no evidence of a hack. Some have claimed a leak.
If the FBI were to examine these servers and computers, it might find evidence of downloading and copying of huge amounts of data onto an external drive.
Imagine if it did find this evidence. And we all know that Seth Rich was murdered.
Imagine how these facts would reflect on Hillary, Obama and the DNC.
So the DNC, Hillary and Obama are on the Russia hack trail.
SPIES, PROS DO NOT LEAK FOR FREE! Who’s giving them money or benefits to leak?!? The HAG OF ESPIONAGE (Hildo) has a repeated and known history of shuffling money (Clintongue Foundation),… start there! Follow the money, bust em’, rack em’ up, and move em’ out of our way.!.!
Hill is nothing but an extremely high priced shill. McCain was bought off for a much lower price. The rogue spoofs in the CIA and the editors of Anerica’s leading traditional news sources likewise are doing the bidding of the elite of the elite corporatists and bankers who try to control our entire political and economic system. Trump is a godsend against all those forces of evil.
God I LOOOOOOVE you Glenn! You are a BEACON of TRUTH in a sh*t storm of LIES and DECEIT –the lot of which, sadly, stems from our own DIABOLICAL “government”
I don’t get Greenwald. Why does he trust the corporate controlled media any more than he trusts the CIA? And, if Trump is challenging a dangerous and rogue CIA and a very pro-CIA and very dishonest media, why is Greenwald so “reflexively” against Trump? Odd, indeed.
He does? I just can’t understand why he shared that with you before telling the rest of us.
You think it’s reflex rather than reason? Well, then, it’s an easy question to answer: reflexes are responses to stimuli without conscious thought. So, if your diagnosis is correct, for Glenn, being against Trump is sort of like sneezing in response to stimulation by inhaled foreign particles.
Maybe you could send antihistamines, if you want to help.
Multiple comments today reflect that some mighty fine cannabis is on the loose. Does the stuff also let you see Jesus?
I live in an environment where the world’s finest cannabis is readily available and I see no evidence that it makes people this twisted and confused. . .
. . .except when combined with drinking Sterno.
Bingo ! Breakfast of Champions!
“Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne.”
Roll on big river Roll on…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsWoNpHg2s
Epilogue:
Viper’s Rag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-xSPorfyCE
With the really good shit, you’ll also envision Buddha, John Lennon, and Spaghetti Monster locked in Kama Sutra poses (or so I’m told.)
Progressives are still under a form of mind control. That’s why, re-confirmed as their minority leader, Nancy Pelosi speaks for them yet again.
Progressives Leftists heart Corporate Media
Of course, as you remind us, weed is not the only cause of hallucinations. For some it’s just a way of living.
God I LOVE you Glenn. You are a fucking BEACON of TRUTH in a shit storm of LIES and DECEIT –the lot of which comes from our own diabolical “government”.
The only we are going to be able to fix this country is have another civil war. It appears that is what the Democratic Party and it supporters want. They kill cops, they lie to the American People, they send are jobs overseas, the still our money through taxation sure does seem to me they want a war within this country.
Does this mean Britain is trying to interfere with and influence our election?
“Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy”
It seems that every president, Congress member or person of significance in US politics has ignored this wisest of advice. And the corrupting influence of MIC money has done it’s job, and often led us to the brink of nuclear war. When will the citizenry realize that it is of the greatest importance to look back at the wisdom of Eisenhower, and correct our system through immediate reform and change. Before it is too late.
Your article instantly loses credibility when you proclaim Trump as a widely disliked figure as a direct link to CNN as the authority on that claim? The tone deafness on that alone makes the rest of your screed no better than troll bait.
Exactly! That’s when I stopped reading the article. Maybe after eight years of Trump they’ll get it. Although, I don’t have much hope for them.
I, too, was incredulous and indignant when I got to that allusion about “widely disliked” with yet another farcical “poll” and from the bottom-scraping CNN no less. Trump is widely popular despite what the gaslighting media would have us think. However, putting that aside, this article presents some worthwhile and cogent perspective.
Er, Trump isn’t going to have a honeymoon period, as virtually all incoming presidents do. He’s at only 37% approval, with recent polls showing higher negatives. As Corey Robin put it, not only no honeymoon, Trump didn’t even get a wedding.
And their intended audience is supposed to believe more polls from the same leftist corporate media that everybody witnessed feed people cooked bs before the election?
Inability to properly predict likely voters is not a possible flaw in merely polling attitudes in the general population. Modern polling is usually highly reliable, which is what made the election results so shocking — it was a quite unusual failure.
“He’s at only 37% approval, with recent polls showing higher negatives.”
Were these the same polsters who showed Hillary with an 89% chance of being elected and Trump at 11%? I don’t disagree with your feelings expressed toward Trump, but I don’t think anyone knows what his approval/disapproval ratio is. I don’t believe any of the polls now. They’re trying to use polls to convince the public to believe what they want them to believe. “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” -v lenin
“They” have been using polling to try to convince the public to believe that way all along.
This is nothing new.
Ah, the accuracy of polls! As borne out by the last election.
The entire CIA needs to be re-staffed. They cannot be trusted.
Why are so many people willing to risk all out war with Russia rather than accept the fact that Trump is President? You people are beyond delusional!
The descriptions for the panicked globalist leftist establishment, the colluding corporate media, and assorted other foaming-at-the-mouth flailing utterly dismayed panicky anti-Trumpers is “depraved” or “sick in the head” or “grotesquely corrupted and self-serving” — or perhaps “demon-possessed” is most apt.
These people would be dangerously insane if they weren’t proving to be so ineffectual in their lunacy.
Indipenent Prosacuter anyone? Drag all the emails and who hacked/leeked out in the middle of the floor and let the cat sniff it.
Wouldn’t be lovely if trump cleaned the CIA’s Augean stable?
Congratulations in spades go out to every Trump hater in America. The CIA/RINOs have effectively made Trump bulletproof! After this joke of a scandal is dismantled piece by piece, the media will have spent every shred of credibility they had remaining — if any. Who will ever again believe those bozos?
Glen, Dean Baquet had no problem with page one, large headlines when the FBI claimed to be looking into A. Weiner’s emails, with nothing verified or forthcoming. There’s no honor among thieves, unless you’re arguing there’s a scale of magnitude to news profiteering.
Thanks, Glenn. You are so valuable in these unreasonable times.
Let us return forthwith to our expansive foreign policy of bigger and better bombs in pursuit of our Bombing for Peace and complete underwriting of the losses of our Too Big To Fail Financial Industry domestic policy.
Because, “It is a National Security Matter’.
And because the native talent is so rock dumb, let us import the best brains of the rest of the world.
Hating Trump is one thing. Fabricating negative stories about him is another. Grow up, losers.
“The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest.”
That one sentence alone…has destroyed your entire argument.
F’ You Socialist hack.
How interesting…. The intel community claims to have a slam dunk case that Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta’s email and that’s a vile act of war to interfere in our elections…. because it may have harmed Hillary. But now they come forth with some anonymous dossier compiled by a supposed retired MI6 agent who supposedly got his information from a bunch of anonymous Russians who might know something (even those these are the same Russians we are told who write “fake news”)…. and this is all OK because it harms Trump and is another shot at discrediting his election? Did I miss anything?
I don’t understand why they are doing this, when they are weeks away from being launched into the ocean. Why poke the Trump? Do you want to not lose your job but spend your remaining years in prison? I just understand why they think it’s a game without consequences. Mind bogglingly stupid.
“an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality.”
So, very much like Trump himself.
Trump’s only slightly less of a pervert than alleged! Get it right, or democracy will die!
Calm down sweetie. You got the guy you wanted. Nobody believed the one-sentence protestations to the contrary as you spent the whole election season whining about those nefarious Democrats. ????? ???????!
This whole fiasco promoted by the press is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. Their moral compass has been lost forever. What they are doing to our president and to the people of the U.S. truly shows they only care about themselves by disrupting the smooth transition of a new president. Trump is right to question their ethics and lies. The press and the democrats are out of control. You need look no further than Hillary and Obama for causing this nonsense with their socialist minions following the Alinsky playbook to a tee. They don’t rely on facts, they’d rather lie and lie and lie. The whole thing boils down to the DNC revelation that they were conspiring against Bernie Sanders. That is the ‘only’ issue. Instead the press and our government has made this a monumental hoax against Trump. Truly disgusting. This is what we have folks, business as usual for the government. They are so busy causing chaos in our country that they can’t even do what we pay them to do because they are unable to admit Hillary lost.
@Glenn Greenwald – How did you get so smart?
What has happened to America?
Take a look at the election results maps. Trump has completely won the Tea Party vote and the vote of citizens who are still in control of their critical thinking faculties. Fellow citizens, we have an outsider who is our President elect. The Elites who have tortured our system of government for decades are now exposed to a genuine threat. How can they let this treat (Trump) persist? I believe they cannot. Trump will have “an accident”. An unusual “incident”. But before that happens I’ve decided to make my allegiance with Trump. I can no longer trust my “fake news” government!
Public service announcement: Glenn Greenwald (correctly) believes Buzzfeed performed an important journalistic service in publishing the Trump memo in the context and for the purpose for which Buzzfeed did so at this time. He said so on the BBC earlier today, and the article above states:
Several below seem not to know this is his view.
You’re spot on Glenn, and I say this as someone who thinks you’re hot lying garbage most of the time. But you hit the freaking nail on the head here buddy. Elegantly and cogently stated boss.
“They have said he is a germaphobe with one breath and the next is he is into urine fetishes.”
Healthy human urine is sterile. A germaphobe into golden showers wouldn’t necessarily be conflicted.
…Just saying.
Has fake news become the norm? This reminds me of the staged Sandy Hook event…why haven’t those people been prosecuted yet? Someone needs to break through the corruption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD0z275nQnM&feature=youtu.be
Let’s call the mainstream media what they really are in the internet age. They may not realize it yet but they have become the walking dead Zombie Media. The Zombie Media has worked itself into actual manifestations of Orwells Doublethink. They have said Donald Trump is a traitor collaborating with Russia while the same exact Zombie Media outlets also have said Donald Trump wants nuclear war with Russia. They have said he is a germaphobe with one breath and the next is he is into urine fetishes. There are so many examples of these kind of opposites that I cant help but think they do it on purpose. They destroyed their own credibility many times over but it became very clear during the campaign. Pizzagate was fake news but Goldenshowersgate, or whatever it is being called is credible and newsworthy. The Zombie Media has let the worms of unhinged hate eat their brains and latch onto their brain stems and take over. The NYT even said that it was their DUTY to be ideological crusaders while at the same time denouncing Julian Assange for his own ideological motivations, (publishing true documents with little to no commentary…so radical, eh?). Yes, the mainstream media died in 2016 and they began gruting and gnawing at their own limbs already in 2017. You are a rare breed Glenn and I respect you so much even though our politics differ. Your field desperately needs more men and women like you and far fewer of what we actually have.
And, yes, I am cheering for Trump to truly clean up the CIA and as much of the entrenched bureaucracy as possible. Things have just got to change.
The Globalist NWO War Mongering Oligarchy is in a panic. Drain The Swamp has more urgency than ever before.
Crocodile tears for our new prez that has such ambiguous morals and ethics that this “secret information” not only seems plausible, but likely.
Plausible and likely ? Ambiguous morals and ethics?
Rhetorical questions?
Yup, it’s funny how using the presidency for personal gain, cronyism, nepotism and lying (not to mention lewdness and hypocrisy) get you a bad rap in the ethics department.
Yup, it’s funny how using the presidency for personal gain, cronyism, nepotism and lying (not to mention lewdness and hypocrisy) get you a bad rap in the ethics department.
Which presidents and presidential candidates are you referring to? There have been so many with those characteristics.
Damn, I tried for blocks and ended up with bolds.
Bill Clinton hasn’t been in office for years. You are seriously behind.
Crocodile tears for idiots like you.
See the article titled: BULLSEYE – Trump puts arrow of truth in heart of corrupt media/intelligence cabal
Thanks so much for calling out Rebecca Solnit on her liberal hysteria during this election; before the Cali primary I saw her shunning and silencing anyone who strayed from eulogizing HRC. She & some of her followers call Assange a rapist & discredit anything from Wikileaks because it’s part of rape culture. Her entry today in the LRB about how Trump reminds so many women of ‘their abusers’ is surreal. She’s been driving me nuts & I thought I was the only one who saw it, so thanks.
Julian Assange is an ‘Alleged Rapist’ who has rightfully sought refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.
Because what reasonable person could expect a fair trial in a country like Sweden?
Most people could, indeed, expect fair trials in Sweden, although that nation’s legal environment wrt sexual behavior is a little. . . umm. . . unusual and the circumstances surrounding the allegations against Assange are more than a bit suspect.
On the other hand, a person with every reason to fear extraordinary rendition to the US, followed by a show trial and life imprisonment in an American super-max might reasonably wonder whether surrendering himself into the clutches of that US client state (when it comes to “security” matters) would be a wise step to take.
Personally, I think an individual in Assange’s position would have to be brain-dead and batshit crazy to go to Sweden.
Feminism is split. The sexual Stalinists control Sweden.
For safety’s sake, I had to wait for a woman say that.
$5 Frostbucks says that you could write everything you know about Sweden on the back on of an envelope with a Sharpie (fine point)
hej is for horses
Depends if you are a national or a ‘refugee’.
wow they just keep going down this track
I guess the next logical step is a document leaked from an anonymous NASA expert that proves Putin has actually transplanted his brain into Trump’s body
This is why the leftists were obliterated in November. Their ideology is demented and morals absent. To compensate for their failures, they’ll stoop to any level as they try to pin Clinton’s whipping on the Russians. The Russian government is a low lot, responsible for much of the world’s ills but this isn’t one of them.
? The Left doesn’t believe it
Define “leftist” for us would you?
There’s a good chappy!
Great article Mr. Greenwald, I’ve been following your work closely and you’re truly an asset in these dangerous times.
The agents of the Deep State are playing a dangerous game, undermining the POTUS and his mandate.
Excellent analysis of what is wrong with the MSM. Donald Trump will soon be sworn in as the President of the United States, and you will never see him bow down to a foreign head of state. Take that to the bank.
All of a sudden “kompromat” is a word on everybody’s lips. Even the NYT is now publishing what is almost an Encyclopedia Britannica-ready article on the subject.
Unfortunately, even as blind as Mr. Greenwald is regarding the executive over-reaching of Mr. Obama’s presidency , and the crudely-parsed, deep fallacy of many of the election rhetorical attacks on Trump, he still imagines that the powerful left and their mouthpieces operate out of some virtuous principle. They do not. They have not.
Mr. Greenwald deserves some credit for this exhortation, but he is quite late to a a good number of perceptions that many average Americans already carefully considered and accepted , especially when it comes to the profound deficiencies of the press and their lockstep conformity to the powerful left.
If he were a little quicker, and a bit more reflective, he might have become a bit more inured to much of the language used to frame and present Mr. Trump–language that he has obviously took quite unquestioningly–that ironically was more dangerous, unfair, and fallacious, then the language Trump actually uttered. Which is pretty much what the American public judged–in the true wisdom of diversely-interested crowds as opposed the singularly-motivated mobs inthe press.
Mr. Trump is no saint, but his unique, even comical, blend of insouciant pugnaciousness has the very foundations of deep government cracking, without his even targeting them. That’s what happens when things get as corrupt as they are.
the left has inoculated trump, giving him immunity to any and all attacks.
idiots
“there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?”
Once again Trump ignores science and adheres to an ancient and perverse folk remedy.
https://www.factretriever.com/jellyfish-facts
Good article, Glenn.
Michigan’ Todd Courser (Google him for lots of laughs) might say that CNN “inoculated the herd.”
Very good point made, if they keep crying wolf, no one will believe it when the true wolf arrives. But, if we go on a witchhunt to investigate this, we should also investigate the information in the leaked DNC emails that were published. I’m very interested to learn why the CEO of Citibank would name names of Obama’s nominees before he was elected, why so many foreign countries donated so much money to Hillary and for what? We all know how the game is played by now, these people don’t just donate money out of the goodness in their hearts. They want something in return. This has also happened several times during the campaign, when e-mails were leaked, the media quickly started reporting something racist that Trump said or did. I can’t help but think this is a diversion to lure us away from the 300 e-mails the state dept. recently released. And please don’t mistake me for a Trump supporter, as I am not, our choice for President this year was reprehensible on both sides.
Can we agree that publishing a document that has been widely circulated in the upper echelons of power is necessary? It isn’t right to present it as fact but to report that this dossier has been seen and/or discussed by some of the most powerful people in the country is a prime example of journalism.
No. You’re suggesting that we let the CIA play us for saps every time. What did they do here? What will they do again to people who take your foolish position?:
1) They arrange a meeting to facetiously “warn” the party they intend to threaten, citing highly dubious disinformation already in the wind that no one would believe otherwise.
2) They leak to the press that the briefing happened, and what was discussed.
Your “fair and balanced” approach dismisses journalistic integrity. You’re asking to be played for a fool, and thinking like a sap, and you’ll be treated like one.
Apparently we can’t agree. It seems some think that only complete secrecy in U.S. Intelligence agencies will result in true freedom. Oh wait, no…only complete transparency…no, not that either. okay, intelligence should only leak the stuff that whoever is editorializing (Greenwald in this case) finds valuable. Otherwise, it’s clearly the military industrial complex’s shadowy influence on politics.
Of course, if someone had emailed this dossier to Podesta, we all would have seen it month ago and that would have been A-Okay.
Get it?
Apparently we can’t agree.———————-mouse
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You should have stopped there . Everything that followed i s BS !!
@Mudbone – care to back up your assertion with some kind of reason, logic, thought process?
You got a point there. What if Wikileaks had published the whole thing? Would it have been, ipso facto, a service to humankind and our body politic?
I suspect in some quarters the anwer would be yes.
Which goes to the issue, is there such a thing as unbiased reporting?
I also am glad BuzzFeed dumped the doc out. The intel chiefs had a pretty good bums rush going with CNN alluding to the document with a teaser summary while carrying the intel chiefs lie that Trump had been briefed on it. They had a dark cloud that couldn’t be probed but would hang over Trump.
Now that the doc is published its farcical nature will be quickly dissected. Already it is coming apart. The progressives like Markos Moulitsas will only soil themselves with this new “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”.
WikiLeaks would not have touched this. Unlike our press WikiLeaks vets everything and has never been proven wrong. They have an impeccable record which is why you never hear their name come up when everybody is screaming Russia. They know the minute people start researching WikiLeaks long and unimpeachable record their Russian narrative will completely unravel. Get it?
Except simply publishing it as being what it is, by definition can’t be “wrong”. It would of course have come with a description… “this is the document which has been circulating at the upper echelons of power. It is the ‘unsubstantiated dossier’ cited in the Washington Post”. Or some such disclaimer, and if Assange wanted to go the extra mile he could’ve included his editorial opinion of it (which he provided publicly after the fact anyway).
Buzzfeed’s stated motive was to “let the people decide” and i think that worked out very well seeing as the people very quickly decided it was bullsht. So it was definitely a public service and thus not outside of WikiLeak’s purview.
Sure Buzzfeed got a few million clicks too, but that’s capitalism.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is reaching epidemic levels.
if you trust wikileaks julian assange for the truth
if you trust the spoken word of craig murray
if you doubt the presumputuosness of the IC
then
SETH RICH WAS MURDERED BY THE DEEP STATE
and it really smells like the emphasis for the IC conclusion is a pre-emptive strike against the consideration that somebodies of the DNC etal benefitted by the murder of Seth Rich.
consider the crime scene
nothing taken
if ?? would want to rob someone with a gun such as they say, and the target was walking away, why the hale would ?? shoot someone in the back, which garners a charge of murder, and not take anything? Did Seth have a valise with him? a box key? How many robberies in that area involved a shooting? Since when does a stickup person shoot to kill when s/he really doesnt have to?
http://www.newsweek.com/gop-lobbyist-reward-seth-rich-dnc-499653
$100,000
I think the cursory investigation of Seth’s murder should be questioned .
I would like to thank Mr. Greenwald, not only for his steadfastness on this issue, but also opening up the nation’s eyes to what was going on at the NSA via the Snowden story.
I have what a question: Why the fuck was the intelligence community and the FBI carrying on an investigation of Trump as a potential foreign agent? This was an unbelievable abuse of power by Obama in an election year against the opposition party’s nominee for president, that was used as a political talking point by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Also, what if Buzzfeed had not published the dossier? Would intelligence officials still have been stepping forward to say it was simply intended to “draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted ‘disinformation’”?
Or would they have let the CNN report stand unchallenged? Would Obama administration officials continued teasing it out? Would it have led to calls in Congress for more bullshit inquiries, feigning authenticity for what is turning out to be a very dubious case against Russia and against Trump?
This was the same dossier that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) thought was so credible that he personally handed it to FBI director James Comey on Dec. 9, 2016 after receiving it from a British Ambassador, demanding an investigation.
This was the same dossier that compelled former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to pen an Aug. 29 letter to Comey, urging an immediate investigation into Trump, stating, “The evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign continues to mount and has led Michael Morrell, the forming Acting Central Intelligence Director, to call Trump an ‘unwitting agent’ of Russia and the Kremlin.”
“The American people deserve to have a full understanding of the facts from a completed investigation before they vote this November,” Reid added.
It may have been the same dossier that inspired several electors of the Electoral College to write a Dec. 12 letter to National Intelligence Director James Clapper, demanding that “The Electors require to know from the intelligence community whether there are ongoing investigations into ties between Donald Trump, his campaign or associates, and Russian government interference in the election.”
Also, the unclassified version of the memo dated Jan. 6 stated that “Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals.”
During the recent Senate Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Jan. 5, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper stated, “We stand actually more resolutely on the strength of that statement that we made on the 7th of October” that Russia was attempting to influence the election.
All of which raising the key question: Was this dossier, teased by CNN and then published by Buzzfeed Was included in the “further information” that increased the intelligence community’s confidence in its reporting about Russia and the election in its Jan. 6 assessment?
Thanks Glenn. I feel a little better that at least one journalist still researches his/her work prior to publishing.
Truth > partisan politics
I thought this was a very fine article. I’m just listening to Dune audipbook… politics is about feints within feints within feints. That’s why basic truth is such a powerful and important artefact of our civilization against political intrigues. And why truth diggers are so important.
Once again, Glenn, you have proven yourself to be the ONLY Liberal journalist worth his salt. Americans, and Western nations are deeply in debt to you, Assange, and Snowden.
Glenn Greenwald is not a liberal. He eschews labels, but based on his various views he could reasonably be described as an ardently civil libertarian social democrat.
Then when Jacob G. Hornberger, Glenn Greenwald, and Bruce Fein said there was a “libertarian,” a “conservative,” and a “liberal” on the Civil Liberrties Tour, who would you have called the liberal?
I’m wasting a moment of my time to say 2 things to you. 1) Glenn didn’t write the title, same as a news story. 2) I attended one of those talks. I spoke with Glenn before and after. He didn’t say anything about being “the liberal.” Guess he’s not invested in that like you are.
“He didn’t say anything about being ‘the liberal'” because the one speaking for the trio during their self introduction invited the audience to silently guess who was which.
That was a (trivial) promotional shtick, and it certainly didn’t stop certain leftists and Democrats from continuing to insist — and some still do — that Glenn is a Cato-and-Koch-owned libertarian.
What does that even mean? Are you brain farting again, Occupier?
It’s super simple, idiot. Frequently the headline or title of an article or even the title of a book is not written by the author of the article or book or, in this case, of speaking engagement. Glenn, as one of the speakers, didn’t write the title of the talk he attended. It’s almost painful having to explain things to someone as lost in space as you.
Your problem is your readers see that your straw man comments backfired on you.
I don’t know about any pre-announcements or news of their tour containing adjectives like “liberal” or “conservative” or “libertarian,” but in making his on-stage introduction for the three, Jacob Hornberger invoked those words verbatim in subsequently saying it was up to the audience to figure out who was which. There was no protest from Glenn.
You should give up.
As I said, the title of the debate was not authored by Greenwald:
And of course “there was no protest from Glenn.” He’s not an anal dimwit, such as yourself. I don’t think he even thinks that Hitler was a leftist like you do. So, you know…
https://theaggie.org/2012/10/22/expert-panel-discusses-civil-liberties/
Why do you keep bringing up a press release? I didn’t.
But if you insist, one, not only does it not appear unlikely to the public that Glenn tacitly endorsed his event’s press release, but, two, one of his tour members used the same adjectives in his intro of the trio. No protest from Glenn.
Your readers think you’re a buffoon by now.
So a COMMMIE then!
I knew it!
No doubt about it; now it’s up to us ALL to use these truths to take back our countries….
Corrected for you: Once again, Glenn, you have proven yourself to be the ONLY journalist worth his salt.
There are Patriots and there are Super-Patriots. Patriots defend the country and it’s people. Super-Patriots defend the system and are willing to sacrifice Patriots to the ends that they deem necessary even at the expense of the Nation. They defend themselves with the idea that somehow they serve a greater purpose. They conduct themselves with all the aplomb of East Germany or Soviet Russia. We need to be very careful, we have won an election but if not watchful we may lose the country. We may lose it to the journalists who supposedly shield it, the elected officials who should lead it, and the military complex who should defend it. May God bless this great nation.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Glenn, you are right on once again exposing the corruption. Thank you!
All of the hierarchy of these agencies must be purged, for too long they have been unaccountable and have bribed and blackmailed their way to power and curried favor with the media by leaking information to them that they never should have had but has made their careers. All of the leadership must go and new honest people must be put in charge.
Heads up!
Mackey and Biddle have a new piece up on Trump’s press conference in which they write:
Have at ’em:
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/donald-trump-contradicts-himself-and-reality-at-press-conference/
Oh FFS. Robert Mackey is very good on a few issues, but he’s unhinged on Assange and even Trump.
Yeah, I saw that awhile ago, took a double and a triple take … and just had to walk away for now.
Being unhinged on Assange and Trump should disqualify Mackey from his job even if he is good on a few issues. Unhinged could lead to dire consequences for unsuspecting readers of The Intercept.
I agree. The man is a hack who taints TI’s reputation for nonpartisan reportage and investigation.
So gross.
Chuck Schumer’s warning regarding the intelligence agencies is a tip of the hand. Schumer understands that this is how it works these days – the Congress and administration are under the constant threat of blackmail by these agencies. Even worse, bad actors in the administrations, State, and DOJ can and have forged relationships with entities inside the walls of these agencies, convincing those entities to apply pressure to political enemies in order to ‘convince’ them to play ball.
Eisenhauer was absolutely correct. We’re there.
The senator who chided that to Trump would be this same leftist authoritarian Checkpoint Charlie Schumer:
_”Sen. Schumer proposes “no-ride” list for Amtrak trains“_
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-trains-idUSTRE7472CF20110508
Never confuse being “on the left” with being “a Democrat”.
Will you say Sen. Charles Schumerr is not a progressive leftist lawmaker? Good luck with that.
> “In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing.”
Interestingly, the above statement assumes there will be such exposés. Can we then say, “In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit future journalistic exposés of Greenwald raping young boys”?
Glenn appears to think the major faux pas here is jumping-the-gun. That media should have waited for better proof of Trump’s treason.
How odd, coming from a homosexual who surely should know the power of “presumed decadence.”
You’re a sick and disgusting pervert. Crawl back to your Mommie’s basement and sit in the corner with a dunce cap on your head.
I am genuinely curious to know what you find sick and disgusting perversion in that guys comment. Was it saying Glenn is a homosexual that should be sensitive to the charge of presumed decadence? how is that a bad statement in any way? is that the new thing, to be outraged at factual identification, (homosexual), and referencing factual history, (that many thought of homosexuality as decadent until recent times)? I am really curious to know why you took a comment I read as saying, ” Because of prejudicial assumptions of lifestyle morality of your identity group it is surprising you would do the same.” as sick and perverted. or is it just white knighting? What am I missing here?
Sounds like a statement of fact to me and you are the one doing the assuming.
Another excellent article Glenn. When Edward Snowden decided to reveal what he knew, I wondered at the time why, of all people, he chose you to share the information with. Since then, I have come to learn that you are one of the few journalists that still see the role of journalism in a free society that Thomas Jefferson did -as a balance to the omnipotent power of the government. A truly sacred calling.
I don’t know how to take this article. This author clearly shows his hatred for Trump, but kind of defends him, then attacks him. This is the kind of reporting we the people don’t need. Let you personal biases be that, personal. It should not show in your work. I voted for Trump, Clinton was a disaster, and oh by the way do some more research, the NSA was the first to hack the DNC and start releasing emails. The NSA did not want Clinton in office due to her security breaches had caused numerous undercover agents to be killed.
Give Trump a chance, I hated Obama but gave him a chance hoping it would get better, it got worse. Glenn Greenwald please keep your biases yours.
Real journalism and commentary based on evidence and facts? From a liberal??? Gutty.
Mr. Greenwald your voice is much needed. Please be alert. No one car “accidents” like Mr. Hastings. The enemy, the neo-lib/cons have no conscience.
Throw the whole bookcase at them.
You sir are a wordsmith.
“The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. ”
We just witnessed one of the most decisive and corrupt administrations over the past 8 years and that’s your comment? Your pundit skills would be a great fit at CNN.
Drain the Swamp Donald!
Reread 1984 and that will explain everything that is going on . Pay particular attention to The Ministry of Truth and what they were involved in and how they did it.
“All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible. ”
Was there going to be any investigation without public pressure provoked by the leaks that suggested Russian interference and Trump campaign ties? As far as I could see the GOP and Pres Elect were doing their best to bury any serious inquiries.
How are these leaks different than the Snowden and Wiki leaks? Aren’t those also examples of intelligence leaks meant to make a political point?
Snowden and Wikileaks have actual evidence in the form of documents to back up their claims.
Like Killary trying to drone Assange? Amiright?
The buzzfeed publication is pretty clear that it is a pile of unsubstatiated claims. It came from the MI6 guy, not A U.S. intelligence leak. So it not CIA trying to influence gov.
The only possible U.S. Intelligence leak is that intelligence briefs to Obama and Trump included a section that covered the possibility of communication between Trump campaign/Russian and possibility of Russian have compromising info on Trump. Trump himself confirmed it was true that the brief included this section.
If this info wasn’t released to the public (the CNN coverage, not the buzzfeed) then how would we know to pressure for an investigation that Greenwald seems to think should take place?
Glenn was referring to investigating the “Russian interference” reports from the CIA, not this new CNN stuff.
“Epistemology”
Look it up.
Oh look you can spell a big word. Now, how bout you use the priciples of the word to actually answer my question?
Trump & GOP & Putin are not the friends of what little we have left of Democracy.
I reject the contention that Hillary would have been harder on Russia than Obama. Based on what? I do not recall any evidence of this
I had no idea that your CIA & NSA endorsed candidates! WTF? You had a president that warned you about these people. And they are people. Organisations of unelected people paid by you to do a job. Not to ensure their own survival or shore up power for themselves and their lackeys. The Trump mess is shocking but this is just as embarrassing. And now they have delegitimised your entire media, whilst cashing your cheques. Wow.
Also, “BuzzFeed News”… Seriously?
Thanks for your great work GG.
“In a story that is getting more surreal by the minute, a post on 4Chan now claims that the infamous “golden showers” scene in the unverified 35-page dossier, allegedly compiled by a British intelligence officer, was a hoax and fabricated by a member of the chatboard as “fanfiction”, then sent to Rick Wilson, who proceeded to send it to the CIA, which then put it in their official classified intelligence report on the election.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax
The progressive left’s tax-and-fund socialist Big Government police state.
ah ha ha hahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahah
hahahahaha haaaaa
give the Deep State enough rope, and… ha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahah
this is is the best, ever.
Bravo to Ben Smith, Buzzfeed news editor in chief, for publishing this document, it has to be said..
Now the public can see for themselves what the media, government, and intelligence elites have been using, in part, to spread their narrative..
They are using gossip, dirty gossip, made-up gossip…oh my..
To see how despicable the left (and the elites of bot parties) can get when there money is threatened, WOW. IMO the cia, nsa, etc (all f—ing 17 of em) need to be cleaned out, top to bottom. I served in Nam. I never want to see my brothers/sisters stuck in that position again. If I could I’d enforce this is a short rope.
This article doesn’t touch on the FACT that the director of National intelligence and the current head of the CIA were hacked, AFTER the DNC hacking was exposed. By domestic ghackers. So, if they can’t protect their own assets, how can they tell us they know who hacked the DNC? Especially after talking about how good those Russian hackers are supposed to be?
Thank you for your well-written piece and your journalistic standards. Though I have not seen it, I assume you have, by now, written another article exposing the fact that all the allegations were completely false and based on a 4chan hoax. I wish you had not condoned civil disobedience in this piece. That is rarely needed, least of all in regard to Donald Trump. He has been repeatedly misquoted, misunderstood, vilified, and deliberately misrepresented, and yet has come out unscathed. How about pulling together for a few months? How about giving him a chance? How about condemning the plans that many have announced to disrupt or mar the Inauguration? He is a man with integrity, and he will be a great president. Whether you believe in God or not, I do, and God has placed Trump here for such a time as this–trying to undo the damage done by the Obama years. Let’s make America great again. Let’s fly the flag and say the pledge and join hands across this blessed land.
So in other words, there is no solid source, no verification and yet the media keeps it up. CNN in particular. Nic try to damage the incoming government. Treasonous people from the Dems. Sedition is afoot. Somebody who’s doing this shoul dbe arrested. This is NOT “freedom of speech”.
Trump is not dumb. He is certainly not dumb enough to go to Moscow and think he wouldn’t be watched. Now, if we found out he was stupid enough that his pass word was PASSWORD, then the ridiculous story could possibly be true. But he would have had to run as a Democrat.
Re; Beauchamp “definitely evidence in favor of some pretty extraordinary of claims” What does that even mean?! Who is this clown? Isn’t that the same as saying “there is evidence that someone said something outrageous”?
It is time to drain our intelligence services; if only for stupid people. Any semi-smart person, who understands DJT’s military view, that in order to have a powerful military, you require superior intelligence. This should tell them that they will have DJT’s strong support, if they supply good, honest, usable, verifiable intelligence. Can they do this?
Add the CIA to the list of entities and people against Trump the Populist. But he does have a top-notch Cabinet and Administration all set to defend him (not that he needs it), against this attempt to take him down any way possible. This is so unsettling to think he is not even President yet, and is being tossed around like turbulence in an airplane by his so MANY foes inside the government versus out.
Remember that Greenwald is a lawyer. His pieces always build a case rather than report a story. Like any lawyer, he includes only the details that bolster his case.
Which is quite a bit different than the “report” from the former MI6 employee which has no details that bolster it’s case, just allegations.
“Americans can make up their own minds about the allegations…” Well, we all know how that works. People see the allegations and then go around telling all their friends “I heard that Trump works for Putin” when it was a made up story. See how fake news works? Americans (and all people “these days”) are so gullible.
Great article, Mr. G., outstanding!
As a hardcore free enterprise socialist I cannot fathom how any sane person would believe the CIA on ANYTHING, given a track record of pure prevarication and propaganda over the past 60 years or so.
Ok, time for the usual reading list:
Censored 2017 (for the history of the CIA’s covert capture of the American media) by Mickey Huff
Beyond Repair by Charles S. Faddis
CIA As Organized Crime by Douglas Valentine
Finks by Joel Whitney
Journalists for Hire by Udo Ulfkotte
The Reporter Who Knew Too Much by Mark Shaw
Spooked by Nick Schou
A Kidnapping in Milan by Steve Hendricks
Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner
Dark Alliance by Gary Webb
The Politics of Heroin by Alfred W. McCoy
The Family Jewels by John Prados
Most objective journalism out there. Thanks Glenn for holding out for principle over sensationalism.
Thank you.
nice article
I love how all these conspiracy theorists concerned about the secret powers who are really running the government haven’t noticed that the guy who is about to be the next Secretary of State runs the 2nd largest corporation in the US and has close ties, not only with Putin but a bunch of other despots, and has been funding climate change denial groups and yet nothing about this from TI.
If there is a conspiracy, how about the misdirection by some members of the media to condition us to believe that any reference to a Russian connection is nothing more than McCarthyite tactics. hmmmm.
Pretty sure that TI has gone after Exxon plenty. This is a different issue.
No as a matter of fact they haven’t. The only article since the election about Exxon was that they are “fighting to keep chemicals in children’s toys” .
Nothing about the Tillerson nomination. And why is it a different issue?
He’s a representative of Big Energy. That’s his corrupt role, and it is indeed just as suspicious as the other establishment figures with which presidents always seem to staff their cabinets. The Russia connection is silly, as Trump has evidently no intentions of de-escalating the Deep States encroachment on that nation, even though like the Deep State he only wants this to be intimidation, instead of Clinton’s absurd provocations (which understandably alarmed the shadow government).
See: Navy, Trump planning biggest fleet expansion since Cold War
Why is it silly. The biggest threat we face in the world is global warming. The Russian economy is suffering big time because oil is in a slump and restrictions on it’s use will cause continued decline. What could be better for Russia, who hasn’t ratified the agreement, then to see the US pull out of the Paris agreement . Your claims of Clinton wanting war with Russia are speculation on your part with nothing to back it up. Climate change on the other hand is very real.
Clinton wanted an immediate “No Fly Zone” in Syria that the US Military would cause hostility with Russia in a big way. Clinton wanted war.
And her choice for Secretary of Defense was blustering about aggressively going after the Russians in Syria. Clinton was the number one cheerleader of war profiteers. Very easy to find evidence that she would have been far more hawkish than Obama, however difficult that would be to achieve.
First of all there is zero evidence that Clinton wanted to start a war with Russia. Even if you believe that trying to prevent Russia from bombing Syrian civilians would have started a war. The fact is that Clinton is not going to be the president Trump is, so why are you more worried about a war with Russia at this point than climate change?
An NFZ is not some email, “don’t fly or else”. It means, at a minimum: destroying airfields, radars, AA systems, et al. In other words killing Russians. Even the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs said as much, thus causing “Songbird” McCain to choke and spit.
“The biggest threat we face in the world is global warming.” That’s so whacked that it’s cute. The data and grant-slaved research scientists have been proven to be compromised, and once the outright ban on dissenting opinions is rolled back to allow for a real discussion, these facts will be shown to be true, over and over and over. If people felt that the Progressive Socialists had completely lost it over Trump’s victory, just wait until they get a load of the Warmist community when it is shown that their models and scientists had been completely and utterly compromised to gain their support for this unfounded agenda.
When will we be shown that these models have been compromised ? And why would anyone believe dopes who no nothing about science as opposed to actual scientists?
Maisie is correct; it is not speculation. Much has been adduced in support of that, and certainly Moscow believed that’s where she was headed. I’ve documented that many times.
Gil went looking for a particular topic not covered by The Intercept, found one, and with it is still trying to divert this discussion.
The last time you told me you documented something it turned out the documentation you provided said something that countered what you claimed, and even after I pointed it out to you you persisted with the lie. Your claims of having documentation proving something have zero credibility.
If you have something counters what I claimed provide it.
No.
Yes
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/05/israelis-want-soldier-executed-wounded-palestinian-suspect-camera-go-free/?comments=1#comment-333815
Speaking of, I suggest that you and other people watch NatGeo’s Years of Living Dangerously on Naval Station Norfolk.
If so, DT is going to run headlong into climate change, and that cannot be a bad thing.
https://www.dvidshub.net/rss/unit/474
The American electorate are totally behind Trump and I might add the part of our military that has not been compromised by the NWO globalists is behind Trump. The media and the left along with many in the GOP who are guilty of sedition are putting these stories out because when Trump gets into office I suspect a lot of their treasonous activity is going to come out. And it appears a whole lot of our intelligence agencies have been compromised. Looks like what Trump needs to do is drain the swamp and put a whole bunch of people in prison for what they are doing. It is shameless and they would love to start a war with Russia on baseless lies.
Bravo Susie, I agree 100%. Have you viewed the George Webb video’s on his youtube channel? https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb
“The American electorate are totally behind Trump and I might add the part of our military that has not been compromised by the NWO globalists is behind Trump. ”
37 percent favorable rating versus 51 unfavorable does not indicate an electorate that’s “totally behind” Trump.
Your faith in polling agencies… is really cute.
Greenwald has clearly gone off the deep end with his maniacal, tunnel vision fueled attacks on democracy and Democrats alike. Does gravity exist in his world even though he can’t physically see it? Does he believe that he breathes air even though it’s also difficult to see? This guy is clearly off his meds and is bordering on delusional. Is Greenwald in fact working in concert with the Russians to subvert our democracy? Sure smells like it. We see through your bullshit, Glenn.
“already widely disliked”. Anyone run a poll lately? Haven’t heard much from the pollsters after their last epic failure? Nope. I haven’t seen a poll of any kind!
I bet Wall Street likes him, I’m sure most of his voters are for him.
It should say “widely disliked among the media and Democrats” who are still boohooing over Hillary’s loss. How long can this go on? Mommy isn’t coming to kiss your bruise.
I never thought I, a patriot from WAY back, would ever say this, but it appears our CIA and the state-owned media are all just partisan hacks and no longer serve any actual purpose for America, being wholly owned subsidiaries of the Democrat Party and RINOs.
Remember, it was the Democrats who founded the CIA and the national security state. It should be no surprise that they are now its biggest defenders.
Thank you Glenn. I am old enough to remember some of the red scare tactics of the eighties and as much as I loathe Trump. This has never sat well with me. The Democrats cannot take any responsibility for their ineptitude so they cook this up with the help of their media buddies and boom…the tail is wagging the dog.
Looks like the intelligence agencies represent the muck in the swamp. There may be more fanciful reports out there but this one is the most fanciful I have ever seen. Clinton Inspiration Agency???? Thanks to obama for putting political operatives in important positions.
“My tribe is the non-corrupt one!”
Jesus Christ. They are both from the same corrupt root. And Trump is merely the newest façade of change.
President Eisenhower’s warning of the MIC was not as prophetic as claimed! He, along with Allen Dulles, head of the CIA and John Foster Dulles, head of the State Dept, violated the Geneva Accords of 1954 and led the US into the war in Vietnam and eventually Cambodia and Laos. Eisenhower stated, that the called for elections in 1956 could not take place; saying that Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh would win approximately 84% of the popular vote and we could not allow that to happen! The MIC was already in place when Eisenhower left office.
No matter what you position on Trump in this article Glenn Greenwald is right.
A lot of the opposition to Trump is falling into a trap.
Even if the Deep State powers get rid of Trump what will change?
Nothing.
President Mike Pence is what will happen. The Deep State is happy either way – with an obedient Trump or a flat-out Republican institutionalist. They would have been happy with Clinton had she not appeared so gung-ho on actual war with Russia. In my opinion this is theater to make it look like democracy and robust political debate are real in America.
Pence scares the hell out of me. Theocracy here we come.
Slightly reassuring in that regard is that millions of people would be suitably wary of another George W. Bush Christian in charge, so the shadow establishment would prefer Trump who at least gives the (false) impression of something new, and the Deep State don’t want a full-on theocracy as it makes a mockery of the claim we are morally unlike Islamic states.
Wow, Reading your article I can tell you really dislike Trump. But even through your dislike you actually want only to see truth, and know that this stinking pile of a lie is false. I have to say I am amazed.
As more items become easily disproved it will solidify Trump’s assertion that the media is dishonest. Once he has been placed in office he will easily be able to find out who leaked it, and start the process of draining the swamp that has been infested by corrupt unelected officials.
McCain provided the report to the Obama FBI in DECEMBER? AFTER the election of a GOP POTUS? This is a bridge too far even for him. He’s done.
It appears the liberal political order (including the officers of the various intelligence agencies) want to serve the plutocracy on their own stylistically gradualist terms and above all retain the essentiality of their intermediary political position between the populace per se and highest plutocratic powers, without having these directly invade and occupy as an oligarchy with the slightest democratic veneer (a la Mexico) the highest positions of political power in the U.S. As a result they simultaneously treat the oligarchic pretenders (and above all their maximal standard bearer Trump) and the “bewildered” populace as an enemy state requiring intervention and manipulation in the literal manner of almost the entirety of the rest of the nations of the world in thefpost-WWII 20th century. The U.S., if it wasn’t before, now truly has become one with the rest of the “globalized” world in its submission to the sorts of interventionism, manipulations, and experimentations that have characterized CIA activities throughout just about the entirety of the rest of the globe. A hyper-multi-cultural, socially deconstructed, and globalized U.S. is (for this very reason) no longer a nation state but a continent-sized anomic empire of (self-)imported subservient and credulous post-proletarians. The anomic state par excellence, vanguard of an expansive global futurity and constellation of such states, whose very continuous reiterative deconstruction and concomitant totalizing anomie is the very matter itself, the nucleic component of the post-truth ontology realm and endless futurity of said realm as regards the domains of politics, culture, psychology, morality, law, economy, etc. The anomie befits the ends and models the means for this new infinite interlocutionary stage of post-truth “reality.”
All I can say is the American electorate are not buying the lie of these criminals eager to put out falsehoods, lies innuendos to drag down a man who is trying to help out nation. The American people are sitting back and taking names. WE will remember all those guilty of sedition and hope Trump prosecutes them.
Y’all been punked. MAGA!
A return to journalistic standards and rational old school Democrat ideals like not trusting intelligence agencies is refreshing but the old saying ” too little too late ” comes to mind. I saw no mention of the collusion between journalists and the Clinton campaign mentioned or how detrimental that level of sycophancy in what was once considered the ” news media ” was dangerous or the risks associated with posed.
Seems to me the dangers posed by a Trump presidency pale in comparison to the danger of a subverted media running cover for a political party.
This was a self inflicted wound by the liberal media and they know it, some like Mr Greenwald see the writing on the wall, journalism is indeed dead and there is no going back.
Question. This article and board are about deep state operations. Why then are there trolls here? I was under the impression that none of this deep state stuff had anything significant to do with israel – which country was not even mentioned in the article. Yet here they are. Now i wonder perhaps maybe there is a connection between the DEEP STATE and ISRAEL. What’s up with that?
The Deep State needs Israel as an outpost in the Middle East for its Full Spectrum Dominance.
I’ve no idea why Greenwald makes no mention of it, when it’s obvious all politicians have to submit to supporting Zionism.
Fort Israel is as essential to the US government as was Fort Laramie way back when . Protect the Settlers and kill the Natives . Business as usual !!
While I agree that politicians must submit to Zionist policies, you seem to imply that Israel is not part of the Deep State. The Israeli sayanim and their agents have infested the highest levels of the U.S. government, MIC and financial cabal. The point of the article is to show that the Deep State is trying to undermine the political process in the U.S. by spreading propaganda as they have done in so many countries like Ukraine, Honduras, Syria, etc. Who populates the Deep State is better left to another more in-depth review.
I meant no such implication. And Israel’s obscene influence it should obviously be mentioned in any article discussing the influence of the shadow government.
I’ll try that again (typing too fast as I’ll be damned if I’m staying in this place for hours again):
I meant no such implication. And Israel’s obscene influence it should obviously be mentioned in any article discussing the power of the shadow government.
Ha ha. Take out the “it”! Okay, that’s enough. Have fun, kids. Got to work.
Exactly why are you here barb. No one is mentioning Israel except for you and you have mentioned it over and over. too funny. The guy who said “Zionists killed Jesus” is trying to get people to believe he is only anti zionist.
Thought the same thing, Gil.
Gil ,, If I said ” Semites said ” Give us Barabbas ,, Crucify Jesus ” ,,
would that work .
I wasn’t there but acording to scripture —–
1—–Jesus beat the hell out of the coin changers in the temple
2—–He want on the lam for 40 days in the desert and was given “the coast is clear ” message .
3—–he returned
work for what ?
the fact is barb claimed that Zionists killed Jesus.
Sarcasm ?
me not sarcastic.
thanks for reply, helps me see better
The Mossad has acted as a Laundering partner for illegally acquired CIA and NSA intel, so they’re sometimes counted as a de-facto part of the US “Deep State.”
“Now i wonder perhaps maybe there is a connection between the DEEP STATE and ISRAEL. What’s up with that?”
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Hey Barb ,, Benito works Sarcasm Corner !! Lay off !!!
sure
wouldnt think of it
thanks to all here, much appreciated
btw – Truth Seeker advanced a theory that IC’s of major countries were taking charge of govts fairly outright
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/?comments=1#comment-335441
NBC is an “investor” in Buzzfeed and is cheerfully pumping this story with its scurrilous accusations averring that its promotion is a close journalistic call. The fact they are re-employing Brian Williams, with his credibility problems, further show the extent of it’s, and the media in general’s lack of believability
Let the NBC bosses (and their families) enjoy the news: “In a story that is getting more surreal by the minute, a post on 4Chan now claims that the infamous “golden showers” scene in the unverified 35-page dossier, allegedly compiled by a British intelligence officer, was a hoax and fabricated by a member of the chatboard as “fanfiction”, then sent to Rick Wilson, who proceeded to send it to the CIA, which then put it in their official classified intelligence report on the election.” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax
Better than fiction!
Except Rick Wilson denies it.
The whole Russia flap is a distraction & a diversion.
For Democrats, it’s another excuse to avoid facing the real causes of their debacle. For Republican war-hawks, it’s another excuse to A) ramp up belligerence and B) simultaneously take the political initiative away from Trump.
Putin and Russia are the ultimate “Red” Herrings.
Supposedly the creator of the dossier is named Christopher Steele.
Paywall: http://www.wsj.com/articles/christopher-steele-ex-british-intelligence-officer-said-to-have-prepared-dossier-on-trump-1484162553
Other non-paywall article: http://www.businessinsider.com/ex-cia-officers-trump-dossier-russia-2017-1
He apparently is co-Director for Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence and investigative firm founded by former British intelligence professionals (https://orbisbi.com/). The other director at the firm, Christopher Burrows, 58, would not “confirm or deny” Steele or Orbis’ involvement in the dossier to WSJ.
Steele used to be based in the UK’s Embassy in Moscow in the 1990s as the “Second Secretary (Chancery)”. According to the Telegraph, Steele “fled from his home in Surrey on Wednesday morning after realising it was only a matter of time until his name became public knowledge.” I did not see any source that corroborated his “fleeing.” The WSJ reported that Steele’s neighbor said Steele would be away for a few days. If true, it’s a pretty bad sign that when the crap starts to fly, the author of the explosive information goes incommunicado or simply tucks tail and runs.
What would you do?
He could always defect to Russia… oh wait.
Go Rambo on Putin.
Rambo is a solo act, so nothing is stopping you, Nate.
Don’t forget to write.
Will do. There’s internet in Siberian labor camps right?
:)
I mean, can you imagine? The shit’s gonna come down on him worse than on that idiot who shot the famous lion in Burkina Faso or whetever it was. I dont think he’ll be hanging around to wait for it.
Thank God we still have honest journalists and a President Elect that will fight this evil deceit. Good decent Americans have been asleep too long… it’s time for everyone to wake up now.
Well written and important, but I wish Glenn Greenwald would actually wait for Trump to DO something, before going on about ‘civil disobedience’.
Trumps nominations of corporate shills is something.
I wish Greenwald would consider the possibility that he’s being somewhat played by powers with a vested interest in making the Parties look different any way they can, even though they accomplish the same damn corporatism and warmongering beneath these theatrical outbursts.
(This is not to say that Trump’s encouraging of bigotry shouldn’t be fought, because of course it should.)
Well, there needs to be some Trump policy to disobey civilly so there’s a sorta built-in “Wait till he’s done something.” inherent in Civil Disobedience.
There is a war going on between the globalists and the nationalists. Globalists seek a one world government and banking system. The UN, is the political wing of the New World Order. The IMF and World Bank are the financial and funding arms. All of these are paid for by the taxpayers, none of whom have any say in what these supranational organizations do. The nationalists want independence from totalitarianism. They seek to remove or reduce the power and influence of global organizations that answer to no one but who make all manner of ‘international laws’ [such as TTIPs, Carbon Credits, etc] with which individual nations are then required to comply.
Brexit represents such a national movement in the UK. Trump represents the same in the USA.
Organizations such as the CIA are Supranational. Hence the war between the CIA and Trump. The CIA are the most disreputable organization on the planet, responsible for the subversion and overthrow of countless governments. It would be quite within their capacity and remit, to create all manner of falsehoods to remove Trump.
At the end of the day, we get the government we deserve.
The CIA has lost all credibility. Most everyone knows they are the ones going into countries overthrowing the duly elected leaders and putting their own in. And, what is worse up until now we have had presidents like Bush, Clinton and Obama who went right along with it. Millions of innocent people have died, been displaced or are refugees right now because of these wars they have started. Look at the middle east. I can assure you, the American people never signed on for those wars. These corrupt characters have done it themselves. Trump needs to get the military involved to put a stop to all this mess.
well, Trump has said he is going to drain the swamp but it looks like he also has to drain the sewer that is the US “Intelligence” community. It’s war, not with Russia and China but with the boobs in the intelligence agencies.
Only one solution: Sue CNN and BuzzFeed. This isn’t Journalism… it is criminal.
What they are doing is treasonous and has been that for several years. They have intentionally put out propaganda on the scale of Goebbels during WWII. Jerk the FCC license and put them on trial for their crimes.They have bloo d on their hands.
An anti-Trump Deep State conspiracy, perhaps.
But what if some, or most, or just enough, of the allegations in the Steele document(s) turn out in the end to be true? Can anyone dismiss that possibility?
Good one, keep um coming. A new standard for our MSM: If you can’t dismiss the possibility, then it must be true and has to be reported on. Of course this standard should only apply to the opposition party ,right?
“If you can’t dismiss the possibility, then it must be true and has to be reported on.”
That’s a total fabrication. You are putting words in my mouth.
Sure. And what if Clinton does really have sex with children lying on a pizza. It’s just sensationalism for the prurient and gullible.
I you substitute Sophia Loren for children you can count me in .
Sophia , Pizza and a bed ,,,now we’re talking !~
I you substitute
s/b
If you substitute
There is admittedly a gray area between what definitely deserves publication because it may have some truth in it and what is obviously dismissible as trash of fake news. The Steele document lies in that gray zone.
My comment was absolutely not about whether it deserves or not publication. I’m not taking a position on that issue.
Rather, given the bizarre world in which we find ourtselves these days, what would be the consequences to the nation and our system of government if some of these allegations turn out to be true.
Suspicious speculation (i.e. free from agendas) without concrete evidence shown to the public should rightly be dismissed.
If these “allegations turn out to be true,” it will be because actual proof of this nonsense exists, which is at least one step removed from the folly of this present scenario.
Yeah, I think we can agree that some things should definitely be dismissed and some definitely should be published.
Then there’s the in-between, as when does night turn into day. Then the judgement becomes difficult and even nice liberal folks (or nice conservative folks) without agendas can disagree.
My own position abt the Steele docs is simply, who knows?. They could most definitely be utter trash; that’s where the probability lies from what we know at the moment. And there could be some truth in them, after all, who would doubt that DT is capable of carousing with some tempting young devas in a Moscow hotel room?
On the other hand, Hillary on a pizza w/ some kids… too hard to swallow.
Didja ever run across the logic of trying to prove that something does not exist .
In the vernacular it’s called ” You can’t prove a negative ”
But then again in mathematics we have this thing called ” Reductio ad Absurd um ” where you propose a conjecture and grinding your rules of logic you run into a contradiction .
Logically speaking I would say the Steel run into contradiction .
And that’s for some, or most, or just enough of it !
OK, I’ll bite. What’s the contradiction?
here’s another possibility –
mossad agent looking to recruit willing murderers of british PM’s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMaH-yEVQRI
Given Trump’s well-documented 40-year past history and associations, no. No we can’t.
You are one sorry lowlife . Trying to say that some of the crappola just might be true. With no proof etc. makes you just another lowlife lying scumbag.
I Love Greenwald, he’s a very honest reporter. I have been following him since the Snowden articles.
Trump is going to need a larger broom.
good one
Greenwald gets it.
This dossier reminds of the “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” Hoax set up in the French National Library in the 1970’s that claimed knowledge of Jesus’s bloodlines . Lots of people were fooled by one Pierre Plantard, a former intelligence operative during the second world war. Same thing here. Another former intelligence officer creating another hoax for political purposes for money.
According to the New York Times:
“………President-elect Donald J. Trump on Wednesday conceded for the first time that Russia had carried out cyberattacks against the two major political parties during the presidential election, but he angrily rejected unsubstantiated reports that Moscow had gathered salacious personal information about him that could be used for extortion……“As far as hacking, I think it was Russia,” Mr. Trump said, his first comments accepting the conclusions of United States intelligence officials that Moscow interfered in the election to help him win………”
Trump’s “concession” is not evidence any more than the preceding storm of claims and accusations have been evidence.
Plus one could question whether he even believes it.
I never said it was “evidence”, but another skeptic bites the dust. In your case, short of Putin breaking down and confessing (and there is a better chance he will allow a free and fair referendum on Chechen independence), you aren’t going to believe any amount of evidence presented.
This is Trump saying he’ll be a good dog to the Deep State. He wouldn’t know cyber-evidence if it bit him.
This is Trump confirming he’ll be a good dog for the Deep State.
He wouldn’t know cyber-evidence if it bit him.
“………This is Trump confirming he’ll be a good dog for the Deep State…….”
Bad news for the alt-left.
I’d just like to know which specific email swayed the election…
Greenwald is quite correct about the effect of these preposterous smears being thrown at Trump. The Buzzfeed/CNN debacle has effectively immunized Trump from future stories that may actually be legitimately exposing actual scandals.
The Democrats in their inscrutably immature inability to accept what should only be a temporary a setback with grace and guile, have allowed themselves to become completely unglued. That lends credence to the Deep State theory presented by Greenwald. They’re going to create an eight year Trump reign of they don’t get a grip. So far, the only Democrat I’ve seen who has made a complete fool of himself is Joe Biden.
Great article:
“The Neocon-Neoliberals must be fired and put out to pasture before they do any more harm.
I have long held that America’s Deep State–the unelected National Security State often referred to as the Shadow Government–is not a unified monolith but a deeply divided ecosystem in which the dominant Neocon-Neoliberal Oligarchy is being challenged by elements which view the Neocon-Neoliberal agenda as a threat to national security and the interests of the United States.
I call these anti-Neocon-Neoliberal elements the progressive Deep State.
If you want a working definition of the Neocon-Neoliberal Deep State, Hillary Clinton’s quip–we came, we saw, he died–is a good summary: a bullying, arrogance-soaked state-within-a-state pursuing an agenda of ceaseless intervention while operating a global Murder, Inc., supremely confident that no one in the elected government can touch them.
Until Trump unexpectedly wrenched the presidency from the Neocon’s candidate. The Neocon Deep State’s response was to manufacture a mass-media hysteria that Russia had wrongfully deprived the Neocon’s candidate (Hillary Clinton) of what was rightfully hers: the presidency. (The Neocons operate their own version of the divine right of Political Nobility.)
The Neocon-Neoliberals’ strategy was to delegitimize Trump’s victory by ascribing it to “Russian Hacking,” a claim that remains entirely unsubstantiated. Now that this grasping-at-straws Hail Mary coup attempt by a politicized C.I.A. and its corporate media mouthpiece has failed, the Neocon Deep State is about to find out the Progressive Deep State finally has a president who is willing and able to cut the Neocon-Neoliberals off at the knees.”
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan17/Trump-deep-state1-17.html
Also, it appears to me that there is a brutal competition going on between Israel and Russia over LNG exports to Europe and the surrounding area. Russia has long been the supplier of natural gas to Europe but Israel’s newly discovered Leviathan natural reserve (owned by Noble Energy, one of Dick Cheney’s companies) is now in direct competition with them. So, demonizing Russia comes in handy.
The more the globalists treat us like children with their lies and secrecy, the more they themselves look like children before the eyes of the world.
Nice article, as far as it goes. But I can’t help noticing Glenn’s biases in attributing causes here. Sure, he lays out the interests of the “state” (no, i don’t use the scary “deep state”), but fails to lay out how the interests of the left are driving this too.
The mainstream Democratic party has adopted a radically leftist ideology and political playbook. “Whatever it takes” is the mantra of activists on the ground and they mean. As well, the institutionalized hysteria and over-reaction to every thing, ladled over with an ocean of overwrought emotionalism sets the leftists in the media and politics on a hair trigger.
It’s the same as them hoping one of these shootings is going to be some Rush Limbaugh fan. You just can’t see how your own ideology is making the left nuts. Truly. You folks pull garbage like this every day. On these pages, in fact.
“Gleen” Greenwald is a Leftist and he will always be against us, but he is honest enough, and he has enough foresight to understand that this latest Leftist Smear Job will backfire upon the Leftists–and badly at that.
We must give credit where credit is due. This IS a good article from him.
>The mainstream Democratic party has adopted a radically leftist ideology
Whoa – when did that happen?! I thought all we got was Chuck Schumer and Cory Booker, but radical leftist ideology? It’s about goddamn time! YES!
I am supremely grateful to Glenn Greenwald for putting my vague thoughts into a cogent article. After reading about the NYTimes, CNN, Rachel Maddow and others colluding with the Clinton campaign I no longer trust them to tell me the truth. Sad! They only cried wolf once! But bitten once, twice shy, as they say. Reading during the primary campaign I noticed the innuendos, smears, eyeball rolls, and the DNC emails explained it all. And now with the news outlets screaming about the CIA findings. Goodness.
The Intercept is one of the sources I trust. I found it after giving up my print subscription to the NYTimes. I am so grateful for the care that is taken with substantiating the facts. What a relief. And, yes, I plan to be in the streets as often as possible.
God forbid these ppl just admit that pretentious, blind, bullying, faux-intellectual-excusing, forcing-one’s-way-through, self-absorbed, ignorant, cynical rationality might not win over people’s hearts…and the fact that ppl would rather choose, like, satan’s favorite over that sh*t, isn’t helping them get rid of their stpd pride
Glenn-
You do a great job of pointing out the final and complete collapse of even the semblance of journalistic integrity in the U.S. It’s too bad that your own intellectual and ideological bias still has you convinced that there need to be “solutions” to Trump. He is not even in office yet.
It is very clear that objectivity and fairness is too much to ask from the Fourth Estate. I have understood this all too well for most of my adult life. I am just grateful that things have degenerated so far that now you folks can no longer disguise yourselves.
Pretty sure Johnson wasn’t worried about Department V of the KGB
“That little Kennedy… he thought he was a good.” – Allan Dulles, DCI, 1953 – 61
Jesus fucking Christ, Bill!
I would call it the Dark State; deep cover is a term used by bureaucrats when they talk to one another. There is no depth to the deep state in terms of knowledge or competence, so dark state seems more apt.
Great article:
“The Neocon-Neoliberals must be fired and put out to pasture before they do any more harm.
I have long held that America’s Deep State–the unelected National Security State often referred to as the Shadow Government–is not a unified monolith but a deeply divided ecosystem in which the dominant Neocon-Neoliberal Oligarchy is being challenged by elements which view the Neocon-Neoliberal agenda as a threat to national security and the interests of the United States.
I call these anti-Neocon-Neoliberal elements the progressive Deep State.
If you want a working definition of the Neocon-Neoliberal Deep State, Hillary Clinton’s quip–we came, we saw, he died–is a good summary: a bullying, arrogance-soaked state-within-a-state pursuing an agenda of ceaseless intervention while operating a global Murder, Inc., supremely confident that no one in the elected government can touch them.
Until Trump unexpectedly wrenched the presidency from the Neocon’s candidate. The Neocon Deep State’s response was to manufacture a mass-media hysteria that Russia had wrongfully deprived the Neocon’s candidate (Hillary Clinton) of what was rightfully hers: the presidency. (The Neocons operate their own version of the divine right of Political Nobility.)
The Neocon-Neoliberals’ strategy was to delegitimize Trump’s victory by ascribing it to “Russian Hacking,” a claim that remains entirely unsubstantiated. Now that this grasping-at-straws Hail Mary coup attempt by a politicized C.I.A. and its corporate media mouthpiece has failed, the Neocon Deep State is about to find out the Progressive Deep State finally has a president who is willing and able to cut the Neocon-Neoliberals off at the knees.”
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan17/Trump-deep-state1-17.html
Also, it appears to me that there is a brutal competition going on between Israel and Russia over LNG exports to Europe and the surrounding area. Russia has long been the supplier of natural gas to Europe but Israel’s newly discovered Leviathan natural reserve (owned by Noble Energy, one of Dick Cheney’s companies) is now in direct competition with them. So, demonizing Russia comes in handy.
The globalists’ modus operandi of secrecy and lies has finally gotten the better of them. Authenticity and cooperation is the name of the game now. Honesty is for the courageous at heart, provided you have one.
@ Glenn
Neither Obama or Trump were briefed regarding this document. Obama had an interview last night disclaiming he was briefed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/classified-us-intel-report-russia-gathered-compromising-info-on-trump/
From the Lester Holt interview:
There may be (probably is) some confusion here. Asserting that he hadn’t read the (Ex-MI6 oppo research guy’s) report isn’t the same as denying that he had been briefed on it.
I see your point. I saw this part of the interview and will wait for the transcript. But I suggest you look it up as well. I’m pretty sure I recall him saying he had not been briefed.
But you’re right. The supposed briefing I guess could have been a phone call.
I am probably too deep into John LeCarré’s George Smiley to NOT suspect double or triple twists in this story, and I confess that I think Trump perfectly capable of all the things the 35 pages claim to “reveal” about him. Also, I happen to think that Trump being “duly elected” is putting a little too much whitewash on his slimy campaign. He was elected, yes, and it’s a shame but that’s not so much his fault as it is the one of those of the 45 % non-voters who of their own choosing did not participate. But let’s not forget the unknown number who were disenfranchised or discouraged to vote.
Furthermore, I think that what is now grandiosely called the “intelligence community” is capable of almost anything. I am old enough to vividly remember the Church hearings, and the Bush years taught us that they never really stopped.
But it took a little time for me to accept Glenn’s way of putting things. I understand that he warns us not to accept the IC’s version of things just because it feeds our antipathy towards the US’ new Dear Leader. Thus, when the whole story comes out at a time when I will be gazing the grass roots from below, and maybe Glenn is still around in his 90s, some might think ? if they have the attention span ? that he has been wrong all along because the facts “vindicate” the intelligence community. He won’t have been. If the media choose to publish a story before they have sufficient evidence and independent corroboration, they ARE WRONG ? whatever.
You have to admit that witnessing Trump with his table full of old restaurant menus and printer jams, standing in for important legal documents, as he introduced a member of his law firm to explain why it’s just not possible for him to have conflicts of interest, given that he has a constitutional get out of jail free card, while eager reporters are broadcasting that Trump’s legal beagles were a recent recipient of a “Russian Law Firm of the year award”, was reminiscent of Joseph Heller, Hunter Thompson, or Franz Kafka, more than it was of any provable reality.
I was convinced that at any moment there would be a puff of smoke followed by the Monty Python theme song!
Governments are dangerous. Let’s hold an Article 5 Convention of the States and reduce our federal government to the very bare minimum necessary: defense and courts. Everything else is unnecessary – and dangerous.
With a special “shoutout” to John McCain and friends..
Golden showers fill your files
Truth awaits you when you lie
Sleep petty quislings, do not cry
And I will sing a lullaby
Once there was a way to get back homeward..
W/ apologies to John, Paul , George and Ringo.
It’s indeed a sad day when but a few leftwingers in the democrat media complex will admit the witch-hunt, as with this article. Worse, the few who do only do so because they fear loss of credibility and becoming ineffective while searching for “solutions to Trump.” What America needs is a solution to progressive-globalist media complex that can balance stories and demand accuracy in reporting. All the alphabet networks, cable media, Hollywood activists, and even Fox News bashed Trump for months….and still lost with Hillary Clinton, even with the help of political establishments in both parties, leftist corporations, and Wall Street. And we voters from 30 states that chose Trump, and over 90% of all counties in America, are fully awake to the collusion and corruption of the government-media complex, which includes the GOP RINOs of the military industrial complex. You can’t put Satan back in the bottle after he’s partied in public for the entire political season. You leftwing fascists cannot regain credibility after complete exposure for the hacks you are. Obama skated free for 8 years because of you hacks, and now you want to destroy Trump any way possible before he’s even in office. F.Y.
“leftist corporations”. as if.
And now the we are back to civil disobedience is pratriotism for the left but treason for the right. Hypocrisy.
But kudos to Greenwauld for writing an article with truth and less slant.
Sadly Goldman Sachs is well represented in Trumps cabinet.
What are they? The shadow government?
Once again Mr. Greenwald shows his skilled talent of staring the truth in the face, yet blindly looking through it.
After all the demonstrable smears and misinformation about Mr. Trump, Greenwald still feels it his duty to promote the fear-mongering meme about the ‘dangers of a Trump presidency’ several times.
It would seem his beef is not with the false disinformation itself, but with how amateurishly it was done.
With friends like Greenwald, who needs enemies?
In conclusion, thank you Mr. Greenwald for reinforcing the rule: ‘never trust a liberal’.
nyet.
Yet another data point for the body of evidence underlying the increasingly well-supported theory that conservatism is correlated with low intelligence (evidenced, in this case, by poor reading comprehension and subconscious and construction of straw men).
And Greewald ain’t no “liberal.”
Please spare me the Mona argument .
We are smart and you are stupid no longer sells !
If you oppose Trump’s policies then Trump will be a dangerous president in your eyes.
I don’t necessarily oppose Trump’s policies, but I certainly do oppose Donald Trump being taken seriously in any governmental capacity. He is cognitively impaired to the point of incomprehensibility, and makes GW Bush’s word saladry almost eloquent in comparison.
On repealing Obamacare: “We’re going to be submitting as soon as our secretary is approved. . . a plan. It’l. Be repeal and replace. It’ll be essentially simultaneously. . .maybe the same day, or week, maybe even within the same hour. . . . probably the same day. . . complicated stuff. . . .”
Trump is a rich spoiled child that never had to grow up . He world view is simply ,,, ” IT’s ALL MINE ” .
A spoiled rich brat that thinks he’s in charge is exactly what worries the CIA .
Of course he’s dangerous ,, but at least he’s dangerous for everyone , including the CIA .
It’s NERO time folks !!!
“Gleen” Greenwald is a Leftist and he will always be against us, but he is honest enough, and he has enough foresight to understand that this latest Leftist Smear Job will backfire upon the Leftists–and badly at that.
Give credit where credit is due. This is a good article.
In the hysteria of soaking mainstream media with “Russians are the enemies” propaganda, there is one missing (and vital) ingredient:
Why Russians are the enemies? How is it they are a danger to world peace?
Clearly, ‘intelligence’ agencies within the Five Eyes are imposing their own agenda into the political discourse. An agenda that is deliberately creating many more problems than it is supposed to solve.
There can be only one. — Ramirez
Because it’s enormously useful to have a frightening and despised external enemy to justify the measures necessary to keep the domestic rabble in line — and Americans have been trained and brainwashed for generations to see Russia as frightening and despicable.
Why Russia?
Because the bear and the eagle coming together will slowly bring about peace. Not everybody wants that.
…because there is no leader on earth that screams ‘peacemaker’ like Vladimir Putin!
I didn’t see Russia starting a war with Iraq, removing the leader in Egypt and starting chaos, removing the leader in Libya and starting chaos, removing the leader in the Ukraine and trying to put their own in and finally lying, cheating doing all kind of manner to try to start a war with Syria. I saw Russia going into Syria and fighting ISIS for the world. Who pray tell is the oppressor? I think we all know…..The American people know we have been had and will not be had again by these corrupt, blood thirsty people.
trolled by 4chan/reddit! originaly troll has been sending out this made up story for a month now to different agencies and media outlets, and only recently did rick wilson take the bait lmfao!!! CIA and major media outlets have 0 credibility now and are trying to distance themselves, back peddling, and trying to reserve some shred of dignity but alas, its too late.
HAHAHA…
Eisenhower was spot on target as “The Establishment” demonized the message for 50 years.
The Intel Community is a large group of paranoid, manipulative individuals. They live, breathe, and eat “conspiracy theories” for an f’n living.
As a result of this 50 years of paranoid-bad-behavior, these paranoid conspiracy theorists have taken over every government in the world.
Even PUTIN is KGB… BUSH was CIA… and MI6 has taken over The Crown… and whatever you call the Chinese branch…. the same’o.
The world needs a new group of people in charge who don’t live, eat, and breathe conspiracy theories for a living.
I am a conspiracy theorist? Nope. I don’t get paid for it.
interesting observation.
the society of paranoid control freaks
declaring enemies so that when they freak out they have someone to shoot at
and all they wanted was a guarantee for everything via the TPP… at least that’s what we were told.
Many thanks, Glenn, for bringing reason to this insanity. As much as I dislike Donald Trump and everything he represents, I am embarrassed by these sleazy attempts at character assassination. While others may gleefully revel in such antics, the destructive implications they have for our democracy and, most importantly, the ability of the press to operate as a check and balance to the state are very serious. I hope there is some deep soul searching on the part of CNN, Buzzfeed, juvenile Democrats, and most importantly the intelligence community.
Excellent–great article.
I PRAY that The Donald comes in and shakes the DC tree so hard that all of the rotten apples in the swamp can be gathered up and booted out like Bush 43 should have done in 2001.
Trump’s cabinet picks make that prospect unlikely.
Hard to shake a tree when one is sitting in it.
When control freaks loose control they become disjointed and irrational.
Death throes of media / deep state partnership for now.
Or when they just “feel” they are losing control !!
You mean congressional bi-patisanship like with Obamacare and the Iran deal? And Executive overreach like in executive orders? Finally you go honest? Nah, just when someone NOT a liberal is in the White House. Anyway, kudos for holding some ethical standard as a lefty journalist.
Being jaded and stupid is a deadly combo. Be careful lest you hurt yourself.
I have been calling it for a few years now. Obama will allow or create a “convenient crisis” to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.
But, unlike so many people who think he will establish martial law if the citizens rise up in arms…Obama is a constitutional scholar and studied the constitution in order to circumvent the constitution. He and his ilk and minions do not “Do” Constitution.
He will do like he has done everything else…he will just do what he wants and let the legal process or whatever the result of his actions are, try to catch up.
That’s why my party is not scheduled until inauguration day. Until the oath of office has been completed and Trump is pronounced President, I am still in “preparation mode”.
Nothing will surprise me. I hope it all goes off without such, and I will admit my paranoia if it does, and be happy to be wrong.
I will never trust another democrat as long as I live…and I am not a republican.
Things are definitely creepier and creepier. There was all the blatant saber-rattling by HRC during the campaign that made no sense, as the American people are clearly anti-war, and have zero interest in a war with Russia, especially over something as dumb as ‘influence in Syria’. Then there was what looked to me like an attempt at a legalese coup by trying to steal a few states in the electoral college, and before that the recount effort that could have done the same. And now an ‘oh shit, the Russkies have completly compromised him, we must do…’ stuff. Hopefully (and this is a sad hope) they will assume they can continually kneecap him and won’t do something crazy like knock him off in favor of a much more amenable Pence… and to be clear, I don’t like the guy and am somewhat disgusted that he will be Pres. But he won, and it is much more important that the duly elected get their office.
You are not alone! When a crooked NWO Soros pawn like Hilarity calls us “Deplorable” after a “President” Obama called us “Bitter Clingers” only an idiot or a liberal would not arm up and be prepared.
Here’s another vote of thanks from an American progressive who can see beyond next week. Your points about the pragmatic stupidity of the left embracing the false news tactic are glaringly apt. Not to mention the flagrant abandonment of moral high ground, which is supposedly a cornerstone of what differentiates left from right.
The Democratic neoliberal left and the Republican neocon right. . . There’s this fantastic picture of two of their leaders sharing a chuckle as they go to meet the Saudi King, that I never tire of passing around, it should really have won some kind of “Political Image of the Year” award. Via Reuters:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/03/arabia-mccain-polesi-1024×712.jpg
Look at Pelosi and McCain sharing a chuckle! No, the only thing that differentiates these two are what Clinton called the “public position” – privately, they’re in bed together. That’s the proverbial image that speaks a thousand words.
And by the way, much of this Russia hype is all about the corporate Democrats, the Obamas and Clintons, trying to keep Sanders progressives from kicking them out of party leadership positions; it’s not just Deep State manipulations, although if corporate Democrats lose power, we might finally see some significant cuts to Deep State contract cash flows, and redirection of those taxpayer dollars to infrastructure, education, and health care.
Only a Glenn Greenwald article on the Deep State could bring me back to the cess-pool that is the Intercept’s comment section, but here are a few points:
1). THE DEEP STATE’S GOALS ARE CONTINUED CORPORATISM, MILITARISM AND IMPERIALISM. It uses the theater of “opposing” major Parties to further these goals.
2). DONALD TRUMP’S CABINET SELECTIONS OF TYPICAL ESTABLISHMENT FIGURES AND MILITARY AUTHORITARIANS DO NOTHING TO INTERFERE WITH THESE DEEP STATE AIMS. Indeed, these picks indicate willing subservience to Big Energy, Big Banks and the military-industrial complex.
Trump has shown no real signs of decreasing Obama’s obscene levels of warmongering; in fact there are strong signs that Trump is in favor of attacking Iran as well as continuing all ongoing assaults. Also, Trump wants to expand the war-machine, showing that even his touted de-escalation of tension with Russia is but a façade (see supplemental comment below). Nor does Trump want to de-militarize the police or the security state which Obama has entrenched. Renowned Libertarian Ron Paul from 11.00 to 13.00 minutes in this clip reveals his profound misgivings about Trump’s obviously Deep State warmongering and anti-civil-libertarian cabinet picks.
3). THE GENERAL ELECTION WAS RIGGED IN TRUMP’S FAVOR BY THE DEEP STATE. Hillary Clinton was quite obviously going to win if the election was legitimate, but her doubling-down on the ill-advised no-fly zone in Syria alarmed the Powers That Be that in this important regard she was a loose cannon. Jill Stein attempted to show the rigging, not because Stein preferred Clinton but to show that Americans do not in fact live in a democracy at all – however, her attempt was humiliatingly crushed by the establishment.
4). THE DEEP STATE IS ADAMANTLY PRO-ZIONIST. This isn’t because of loyal, religious or apocalyptic reasons, but merely because the Middle East outpost of Israel is essential for the imperialist Deep State’s assertion of Full Spectrum Dominance across the globe. Donald Trump has signalled utter capitulation to this strategic motif.
So it is, then, that Trump is no real threat to the Deep State, and the Deep State knows it – regardless of the theater and intrigue being presented by the establishment. This latest exertion on the shadow government’s behalf is simply a reminder to him to know his place – something he has already indicated he will do, in no uncertain terms.
Supplemental comment:
Navy, Trump planning biggest fleet expansion since Cold War
If the Orange One follows through with hints to contract the bases overseas, a fleet expansion gives America as much or more force projection without having American troops sitting there, receiving public criticism from the locals.
What hints? If he closes down military bases, hell, even I’ll support him! I’ve seen no such hints.
He’s said in March that the US would “walk” from their bases unless countries like Japan paid the US what it costs to keep them there. He told the Washington Post that the US should get out of “nation building” and asked why you would want to spend money in Iraq when you could build a school in Brooklyn. He asked what the point of being in NATO would be if it means intervening in Ukraine, a country which as far as he could tell had nothing to do with the US. He said he was “neutral” on the Israel-Palestine conflict which caused a ginormous uproar.
This is the Trump silver lining, maybe hopefully.
The Yahoo article says 355 ship navy would be the largest boom since the cold war. Well that would be 20 ships fewer than 1996. A decline started with Clinton. Under Obama there was a short period of an increase before another decline.
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/us-ship-force-levels.html
My point is it’s a provocative increase which belies his supposed de-escalation of tensions with Russia.
[[[ Hillary Clinton was quite obviously going to win if the election was legitimate, ]]]
NUTS! Hillary is a bona fide psychopath.
Nobody “sane” would listen to her… in fact, she even catered to the insane by hiring all of the degenerate pop/rock/rap stars to attract “crazies” to her rallies.
Birds of a feather flock together… and Hillary is the perfect example.
You’re a typical example of how this place is a cess-pool of hypocrites, unemployed alcoholics/substance-abusers, and tribalist idiots.
HAHAHA.
I think you just called me “straight” since I don’t putt from the rough.
[[ note: I don’t give a hoot about gays… because they can’t reproduce. They can only recruit. And, I’ve known a few. And, they DO try to recruit. That’s why I won’t let my kids anywhere near them. I *could* tell a very revealing story. The only reason you like Hillary because she’s a bi-dyke. ]]
I don’t like Hillary, you fatuous oaf.
fatuous … definition: silly and pointless.
oaf … definition: a stupid, uncultured, or clumsy person.
Congratulations! You’re the first person in my decades to ever call me that. Usually, I’m referred to as a genius. And, I don’t play with babblers of psychobabble. Instead, I psychologically assassinate them with my brainwaves.
Please, be careful with what you wish for.
Your brain is waving, all right. Calling desperately for help, no doubt.
I think you need some Vitamin D.
Wow. You’re an even more imbecilic and disgusting cretin than I thought.
I’m going to adopt a god, now, and pray to Her, every day, that your kids turn out to be gay or bisexual — and socialists.
[[[ Wow. You’re an even more imbecilic and disgusting cretin than I thought. ]]]
There’s AT LEAST one who *I* know is more disgusting than me.
He asked to suck my newlywed phallus because I was nice and gave him a ride home from work.
Needless to say, you don’t have to worry about his front teeth scraping YOUR dick. Would you like his number, Douggie?
his gaydar probably went off. you do seem awfully defensive about this episode. what were you really hoping for when you offered him a ride home from work?
Awaiting Greenwald’s response to these obvious disparities in his narrative.
What am I missing here? The only thing I can think of is Trump’s loose-cannon temperament and long history of petty response– both of which are anathema to controlled statecraft.
Right on. Your insight is a-MAIS-ing
People like Daragahi, Moulitsas and Beauchamp are profound idiots. They saw a picture once and probably still believe the the moon has a rocket ship stuck in one of its eyes. But as genuinely ill-suited to walk upright as they are surely they have enough brain cells, dignity and situational awareness to offer a sincere apology to President-elect Trump. It’s not that Trump needs any more wins, but Daragahi, Moulitsas and Beauchamp could really benefit from a pause in their otherwise-amusing decent into dementia.
They really, really, really don’t want a outsider in a position to get a good look at what they have been doing, especially looking at the books.
Some of the most notorious areas where financial fraud/misbehavoir is likely to have occurred:
Pentagon (trillions missing and hasn’t passed an audit in decades.)
Spy agencies( 500 million dollars for few dozen trained rebels).
HUD (center of the massive fraud that took down the economy in 2007)
BTW, Julian Assange (still alive thankfully) has warned that Obama is probably destroying documents.
Trump owes all of these left wing nutjobs a debt of gratitude. I and my Mexican wife both hated Trump a little under a year ago. Thanks to these ridiculous lies, baseless attacks, and constant whining and lying about him i have to support him more often than not. I find myself more often defending the guy than attacking him and i want to hold him accountable for any misdeeds, but he hasnt actually perpetrated any. Sure he has been offensive but look to hollywood and see there are entire film genres based on being offensive. Look to family guy, and south park both bank in being offensive. So im not going to persecute someone for simply being offensive and truthful. Which has been so far, every “lie” the left has accused him of has been later proven true. So good job liberals, keep piling on i cant help but think each time you do something like this it will give him more people like myself that may not like him but end up on his side because the other side has shown themselves to be so desperate to win they will lie and publish fake news and have no compunction about smearing a man simply because they dont like him. Id rather have Trump than any of the people that these folks support. Its a real lack of character and honesty.
lol. good for you. my sentiments exactly. i am looking forward eagerly to see what emerges from the depths of Swamp Beltway.
These arrogant idiots are about to get exactly what these fake news
propagandists deserve. From US, from Trump and from the rest of the
World: Oblivion. We have had it with these 2-bit Clowns.
In the eyes of posterity it will inevitably seem that, in safeguarding our freedom, we destroyed it. The vast clandestine apparatus we built up to prove our enemies’ resources and intentions only served in the end to confuse our own purposes; that practice of deceiving others for the good of the state led infallibly to our deceiving ourselves; and that vast army of clandestine personnel built up to execute these purposes were soon caught up in the web of their own sick fantasies, with disastrous consequences for them and us.
— Malcolm Muggeridge, May 1966
Marvelously said.
What you say, Glenn, about this being a push from the deep state indicates that something about Trump scares the bejeesus out of them. Viscerally, that fear must come from a loss of income, both directly from government contracts that fund think tanks, like USAID funding for regime change agitation; and indirectly, from a change in business practices and government policy that will render some businesses less profitable or even viable. These are inside the beltway concerns, largely, so there’s no populist audience for these changes Trump threatens. So the inflated Russian threat gives these deep state parasites a constituency they could not hope to garner directly.
It is shameful that leftists and wannabe progressives have been hoodwinked into chorusing these deep state concerns via a populist issue that they should be wise enough to reject. They are being distracted from areas where they could have a substantial impact. Trump’s call for a greater America is vague enough that it could be filled in many ways: For example, by reorganizing Big Agra, so things like the industrial farming of chicken could be regulated more extensively, and free-range, biodiverse farming encouraged, not only for the health benefits, but also because of the jobs that would result. Likewise, retooling our economy to provide sounder quality-oriented manufacture and design is a grand project that could nudge its way into Trump’s tent. Progressives would have to push it, though, re-defining “great” to mean things that accord with sustainable values. Ironically, rapprochement with Russia could provide a vehicle for many of these shifts to sustainable values, as Russia’s rejection of Monsanto GMO’s indicates.
yep.
the entrenched bureaucracy, full of guaranteed employment security, money, power, retirement security, perks etc have NEVER had to work for a guy like Donald, NEVER had to really really compete for promotion, NEVER had to prove solid performance and goals, and NEVER had to genuinely lead. So the bureaucrats engage comfortably in lies and cheating and sneeky deals and networking buddies and all that garbage that is dragging the US into the swamp and then along comes Donald….
yep. Their laundry is about to get washed up.
and hopefully hung out to dry.
yep+1
While I am appalled as anyone about Trump’s presentation as a childish bully and prick, some of his ideas about infrastructure and getting out of the world police business are to the left of both the Republican and Democrat mainstream. While it is tempting to spend all our time defying him, it seems like a better idea to give him definitions about greatness.
E.g. “only a LOSER president would fail to address the policing inequities in our nation” ; “only a LOSER president would allow America’s treasure and lifeblood to be spent on wars of aggression”
yep! +2
i hope the Donald sees your comments about what a LOSER he would be if he doesnt follow thru.
“only a LOSER president would…” — I like!!
Fragile egos are so much easier to prod in the right direction.
Good article Glenn. As the inauguration of President Trump draws nigh we can expect more Democrat/Ill-Liberal and RINO (McCain) heads to explode (as kped, below) in fits of fantasy, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, led by the illiterate of Hollywood and Fake News outlets CNN and Buzzfeed assisted by the occaisional old weirdo RINO like McCain. It’s going to be a great show.
So what is the next step of the Deep State? Arrest Trump before he is sworn in? Maybe arrest him after he is sworn in? Have establishment gopers push for impeachment? Certainly McCain is ready for all of them. Start a shooting war with Russia and then Obama declares martial law and suspends transfer of power? I would have thought these things the stuff of espionage thrillers, but not anymore.
Trump is an old man, in not very good condition. His heart could give out at any time.
link
And the deniability will be ‘plausible’, all that’s necessary.
isnt that odd? i had the same impression and figured my imagination was just spinning out. All i can imagine is Donald getting a hold of some info and going – what the hale is this sheet? Reminds me of Clear and Present Danger when the pres said, “The old patomac two-step, Jack…” and Harrison Ford replied, “I’m sorry mr president, i don’t dance”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWwN-yDCjOM
For those who think Trump is the worst so far, I agree with you.
The empire has been shaken by the Trump victory and is coming home in a bad mood.
For those who think Trump should be taken out by deep state operatives— operatives who make their presence known to neoconservatives and neoliberals such as Senator Charles Schumer, who advises Trump with a thinly veiled threat against challenging the deep state—should consider that whoever takes the place of a deposed Trump will likely be even worse.
Trump is soon to take the oath of office because of the pressure felt the by the “basket of deplorables”, the pressure put on these people by the duopoly, these people who were not counted by, and who were invisible to and in the mainstream media echo chamber, the same media that now feels the need to propagate unsubstantiated attacks on Trump with the aid of spy agencies.
Don’t hope for the NSA, the CIA, and the FBI to put their in choice by the means of their own choosing.
Don’t give them the reason to turn sport stadiums into abattoirs the way Hillary’s pal Henry Kissinger did in the 9/11 Chilean “miracle”.
This was one of my personal favorites of the Podesta leaked emails where J. Palmieri says, “I know she (Hillary) has begun to HATE everyday Americans…”:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433
Okay, we all know the Deep State exists and serves its own bidding in a concerted effort to undermine democracy and increase its wealth and power. Questions are: What, if anything, can we do to thwart it? How do we break the grip it has on our institutions and our country?
” What, if anything, can we do to thwart it? How do we break the grip it has on our institutions and our country?———————-Joe
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Kill a politician for Jesus?———————————Mudbone
Mr. Greenwald,
No press agency would investigate or touch the history that is Barack Obama. No investigation was called for into his Birth Record, or the document placed on a US government website, that after scrutiny by multiple ‘credible’ document experts, appears to be false. How about Obama’s past…virtually completely sealed. How about his recycled Connecticut issued SSN from a person who died in Hawaii just before Obama got it?
What we have is the same thing we got with Dan Rather, made up stuff on a made up narrative, to smear a POTUS because people aren’t happy with the election results.
I think we really are dealing with treason. Just not with Donald Trump being Treasonous. I think the CIA has been running political operations on US soil for a long time, and I suspect someone is going to call them out, and outing Obama would be step 1. Clearly, they have angered Trump, and clearly he has the resources to expose them. I personally favor hanging for Treason.
Have you ever looked properly at the photos of him when he was young with either his father or mother?
Most are clearly photoshopped. The backgrounds don’t match up properly, or there will be an impression of a hand across Barack’s shoulder, but it is a cut and paste job.
He is most definitely not who he claims to be. Almost everything about him has been manufactured.
Show the tape or shut up.
Time to publish the TRUE reports that Obama is gay. It’s verified and corroborated.
Can I say, your statement about “bipartisan congressional” groups was laugh out loud funny!
If you want to be taken seriously, don’t write garbage like that, stuff you know is pure fantasy Glenn. It’s why you are a parody of yourself. The only thing that matters to you is your perceived enemies (all liberals, ‘natch) hypocrisy, which really comes down to progressive blogs stopped linking to you nearly a decade ago and you stopped being called Glenzilla. You were very sad about this, and now, instead of focusing on the real threats, you just want to be a smarmy child poking a finger in the eye of liberals.
Good luck with that. Say hi to Bannon (lol, your new focus on “fake news” is hilarious when contrasted with your approval of Breitbart…you need to work harder to hide your bullshit Glenn).
Aside from slinging verbal feces like a stupid monkey, what argument were you trying to make?
Oh my goodness. Yes, after Democrats stopped referring to him as “Glenzilla,” it was all downhill. Well, there was the business with this Snowden guy and Pulitzer ‘n stuff, but they no longer love him at Daily Kos — so he should be despondent beyond all help. What oh what will come of Greenwald if the DNC won’t say nice things about him?!
Fuck Kos. That creep.
I dunno PI, has anyone ever come back from falling out of favor with Kos? [furiously batting lashes]
Heh heh! They have dodged a bullet if they didn’t regain his bogus favor!
I’ve been calling it Daily Klinton for months, and MSNBC…MSDNC as well.
The creep that run Kos is a 6yr Army PRIVATE which tells you the kind of soldier that loser was.
That’s Agent Kos to you sweetheart .
Haaaaate! His comment on coal miners deserving to lose health care will go down in history for its self-absorbed cruelty.
Yeah, I could hear the sobbing and whimpering from my patio. He really though his life was over.
Despite that, and the rejection by Moulitsas, however, he has somehow managed to soldier on, dedicated to his hopeless cause, trying to forget that he’s a has-been whom the modern world has passed by.
My God, the suffering this man has endured!
It’s at times like these I wish I believed in the efficacy of prayer.
We probably need intercession. Which saint is the patron of gay journalists?
Have to broaden the request to gay writers, then you can use Oscar Wilde (after, of course, a small canonization fee is received by the Vatican).
What makes your comment so compelling is your inability to make even a basic argument or present any evidence to support it.
Nice work.
Glenn’s approval of Breitbart? Did I miss something? Its almost like you are regurgitating echo-chamber invective without actually having read any of Glenn’s analysis, but that couldn’t be the case could it?
GG will always be Glenzilla to me…
Gator, my copy of this book just came. If I were Jewish I don’t think I could emotionally handle the material about how Zionists actively opposed saving German Jews, especially and specifically the children.
I know I can’t handle it, so I’m going to decline to click the link, though I sincerely appreciate your thinking of me. (I have reached the point where no depth of Zionist depravity really surprises me, but I don’t wish to plumb those depths today. I’d rather pop some more popcorn and watch the Russia kerfuffle unfold.)
Understood, and I’m intent on not diverting this thread to “that issue.” I just wanted to be sure and tell you about this new work.
You tie is too tight. Loosen it please.
This is the day the boy cried wolf too much. All faith of honest reporting is gone. The media has ended up lower than whale doo.
I’m for giving Mr. Trump a chance to help our Country. The media will no doubt keep printing fake stories, but remember this can end up hurting more than just Trump, there are millions of citizens that have lost faith in news reporters and their bosses!
They are acting like kids in grade school, crying, fighting, and lying to their teacher!
This is more than sad!
The security state will not let him live very long and then you will get an even weirder president.
My bet is that the lone gunman will be from Turkey
This is the kind of thing that will alienate eve more people and give Trump a landslide in 2020…and kill any chance the Democrats have of holding 6 Senate seats in Red states that are up for reelection in 2018…as well as 20 or so Congresscritters. Keep it up, you’re only doing it to yourselves.
I don’t always agree with Glenn, but occasionally, he comes up with something that I fully agree with. This article is one of those times.
The swamp that needs to be drained includes many in the intelligence community.
If the CIA was so intent on torpedoing Trump, you’d think they would’ve done it before the election. I think they just want to make him sweat after all his insults.
Whilst this article could be considered a “serious and worthwhile” piece of journalism it misses the main reason as to why the heavily politicised CIA were and are so heavily invested not only in such an obviously corrupt and unsuitable candidate in Clinton but their establishment cronnies on both sides of the political divide.
Clinton, in particular, knows where the skeletons are buried especially when it comes to the CIA black op “Operation Screw Worm” which saw 1000’s tons of cocaine landed at Mena, Arkansas whily Biting Boy Billy was governor. This illegal drug operation saw probably millions of young Americans flooded with cocaine all so the CIA could fund arming terrorists illicitly.
It is time the truth about the CIA came out and how they only exist to defend the narcocracy that has existed at least from Bush senior, through Bill on to George and greatly expanded under Obama.
This is the real reason the deep state are terrified about a new broom sweeping their corruption away.
mena operations started under reagan iirc.
Loving every minute of the Liberal mental breakdown! The press conference today was awesome!!!!
Kos and the CIA
Markos C. A. Moulitsas Zúñiga has used at least three aliases, including Mark Moulitsas, Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga, Markos Moulitsas and Markos C. A. Moulitsas — not that means anything.
Here he is talking about applying for the CIA.
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Apparently it came down to becoming a spook or a Deaner.
Kos chose Dean.
If this continues I would abolish the CIA and other intelligence agencies and put them in prison. It is nothing short of treason to try to undermine the POTUS which you serve?
The left keeps confusing me — are the intelligence professionals selfless bureaucrats determined to maintain national security or are they petty, vindictive operatchiks determined to punish anyone who crosses them? On the one hand, we hear that they are dedicated Americans with no desire but to protect our citizens, but then libs like Maddow and Shumer say that the intelligence agencies can screw the new President “six ways from Sunday.” They can’t be both. If they are the latter, they need to go, no matter who is coming in as President.
The Left confuses you? Maddow & Schumer are neo-libs. Funny that the right objected to foreign wars and CIA schenanagins only because they didn’t go far enough, and libs were “pinkos”.
What are you going to do with your guns that protect you from the gummint…now that you’re the gummint?
At the end of 2016, the USA had a choice…it was now either a crack house or a meth lab. They voted meth lab.
You think the media is in collusion with the military industrial complex but also are working against a blustering presumptive warmonger who wants to bomb not only the enemies of the United States but also their families? This is a stretch even for your organization. The media has a strong and accurate history of pointing out corruption and it’s very obvious that your aversion to their NORMAL behavior here is just a political ploy on your part. Your suppositions are misguided and while nothing is proven yet it’s irresponsible to ignore new potential conflicts of interest as you would seem to have us do, especially as these potential revelations don’t fall so far afield from what we already know. I know conspiracy theories are always tantalizing but they are also usually wrong. The world is too complicated to just pick the simple narrative that best fits your ideological preferences, and you’re doing the world a disservice by spreading rumors based on no evidence except what you’ve cooked up in your head about informative that has at least SOME vetting. I’ll say it one more time; your quack theory is MORE baseless than the thing it criticizes, and you are simply adding to the spiral of misinformation for your own gains. Why don’t you do some REAL investigative work if you want to weigh in, like discovering where this information came from before dismissing it outright.
The media isn’t “in collusion with MIC”, but owned and controlled by it.
Sure, the media did a great job on Iraq, right? How about the obvious cheerleading for a deeper intervention in Syria, which would have been Iraq 2.0. Your comment is contentless blather- it has been widely reported ‘where this information comes from’- it is in fact listed in the article. But don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain, oooh and ahhh at the glory and power of the great OZ, that’s what all the smart people do, right?
“You think the media is in collusion with the military industrial complex. . .”
Yes, and the glue that holds them together are the government contracts – for example, Jeff Bezos of Amazon got a $600 million contract to provide cloud computing to the CIA, and also purchased the Washington Post for several hundred million. Interesting how the WaPo then morphed into one of the most ardent pro-Clinton pro-war anti-Russia pro-CIA outlets in existence, isn’t it?
“. . . but also are working against a blustering presumptive warmonger who wants to bomb not only the enemies of the United States but also their families?”
Ah, there you are talking about Hillary Clinton, whose warmongering record in Libya and Syria is on display for all to see; she’s got far more blood on her hands than Donald Trump does, and so does Obama, with his drone assassination program. Clinton was the one pushing for no-fly zones in Syria and military conflict in eastern Europe, wasn’t she? Trump instead wants normalized pro-business relations with Russia, which would be bad for arms sales and NATO funding, wouldn’t it? That would be working for, not against.
You’ve been brainwashed by watching too much CNN and NYTimes, I’m guessing. Here’s a good short clip that may serve as an antidote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=274Z97UI158
“WaPo refuses to add disclosure about $600M CIA contract, Dec 28 2016″
warmonger who wants to bomb not only the enemies of the United States but also their families?
You’re so correct and I can’t think of anything more despicable because only a monster would do such a thing.
Like… I don’t know, Obama having Anwar al-Awlaki’s kid, born in the USA, droned to death after killing the daddy? Or maybe that was Okay because it wasn’t something that terrible Trump did. But he most not dare bomb wedding parties or funeral processions because he’s evil. And forget about having some head of state sodomized to death with a rusty bayonet and then laugh about it. Trump is a terrible person and he can’t do that. Only good and sensitive people like Obama and Hillary and now by co-optation DoubleCrap Bush can do such things because their intentions are good.
Oh, yeah, I remember. O’Bomba’s spokesman commenting on the obliteration of al-Awlaki’s kid and righteously observing that maybe he wasn’t in the ‘right’ family or something like that. Which was a very sensitive and wise thing to say.
A Blustering War Monger? Because he said he wanted to bomb the He!l out of ISIS?
Obama has already bombed not only collateral damage (which is one of few things I’ll give him slack on because war is hell and there is no way to fight it without collateral damage when the enemy wraps itself in innocents as human shields), but also American Citizens without due process. Please, your selective outrage stinks through the internet.
Trump hasn’t taken office. Obama has 8 years of blood on his hands…some blood I approve of, some not so much. People like you project in to Trump your own warped assumptions based on the bullsnot you consume called “news”…and we can see those source becoming more and more evident every day.
Change your crappy underwear and take a seat for the ride. We had to do it when Obama the America Destroyer was elected and have had to drink heavily and grind our teeth for 8 years. Your turn, my liver needs a break.
NYET! NYET!
Thanks, Chris, for stating the obvious. Everyone on this page, including Mr. Greenwald, is indulging in baseless conspiracy theories while at the same time accusing the dreaded “neo-libs” of promoting baseless conspiracy theories. I am a leftist but I am not buying the paranoid insistence that everything liberals do is part of some grand secret strategy dictated by a “Deep State.” I wish I had that much faith in the planning and foresight of those in power. The narrative Greenwald is spinning here makes no sense in the grand scheme: The CIA controls everything but somehow wasn’t able to get their chosen candidate (Clinton) into power [If they’re so capable of faking intel on Trump, why wait until now instead of releasing this document before the election?], and now they’re afraid that Trump is going to establish world peace, thus denying them an arms market? When you map out Greenwald’s suggestions in plain English they make no sense. I want Greenwald and his faithful readers to know that those of us who don’t see the world your way aren’t the blind idiots or sheeple you assume us to be. Many of us read and consider your theories but simply disagree with them. You are not some enlightened few who knows the truth the rest of us are too distracted by smartphones to see.
“…already widely disliked President-elect…”
Glenn,
You of all people should be suspicious of anything regarding CNN polling.
Don’t believe the hype. CNN polls their audience, which is very adamantly opposed to Trump.
Everything Greenwald writes about our soon to be sworn in President Trump reminds me of that episode of “Beavis and Butthead” where they found a grasshopper.
They decided to put the grasshopper on trial.
No evidence
No testimony
They started the trial with Butthead saying “I sentence you to death by….”
“death by….”
“death by….”
“death by something cool when we figure it out”
That pretty much sums up the attitude of the entire main stream media on our new President.
They are so convinced there is something is rotten in Denmark they don’t want to waste the time to investigate or verify anything. They just want to skip right to the impeachment phase to justify their “thru the looking glass”, tunnel-vision existence.
We the sheeple should just accept the media is smarter than in ways we just aren’t capable of understanding with our under developed brains.
Isn’t that what you are really trying to say glenn?
Could you look into the 4Chan claims that part of the report came from a false story they planted.
Glenn, you being a liberal are able to see the irrationality of the leftist ProgreSSives. I would like to let you know Trump supporters see the irrationality of the Neocon McCain Chamberpot Repubs.
Trump is an American first and foremost. The NWO Deep State is our mutual enemy. Trump is not the enemy, he is the legitimately elected President of the US.
You are conflating the fake left leadership and their mob of useful idiots, with actual leftist progressives who are now disparagingly referred to as alt-left…the “alt-left” and “alt-right ” have a common enemy indeed.
GenEarly – You get it.
He is pro-America and American. He has nothing against immigrants, but a lot against illegal invaders that come to our country without following the rule of law.
The media got schooled again.
Outstanding work. The solution involves the media to recognizing that their ranks have been now completely infiltrated with partisan liberal hacks. Sure, there are still objective liberals too, but there are literally no conservatives within the ranks, so there is no one to question the many false meme that get floated by Democrat allies. Balance will require a deliberate effort. It will never happen, liberals love their monopoly even while they pretend it doesn’t exist.
Treason borne out of lies isn’t treason. Libel borne out of lies is the mother of all defamation cases.
wow…although it is apparent…in my eye…that mr. greenwald is not a Trump supporter…(perhaps he does not vote in order to prove neutrality) …this is onehelluva piece of journalism
Bottom line:
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Obama’s legacy: president-elect Trump !
Exactly one month after someone had ‘struck John'; Harry S Truman, who had founded The Agency, called for it to be limited to strictly intelligence gathering role in an article in the Washington Post.
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“There were many rooms in the mansion. I was not privy to who struck John.” James Jesus Angleton(CIA), 1976
I can’t remember the last time…CNN, the big networks, newspapers described the current state of affairs in America as “peacetime”.
With permanent war comes, a permanent excuse for …
”constitutional democracy…Guantanamo edition!!!”
fair trials? Habeus corpus? Ban on torture? Ban on propaganda?????
Don’t you know there is a war on!!!!
Soon we will all be devious Russkie trolls, and a clear threat to our democracy….
Good point – all this ‘we know Trump’s a nasty fellow and there are ways to defeat him’ stuff gets a little old, when that’s not the story.
Meanwhile, as the Democrats, some Republicans and CNN fight to keep the CIA supreme above the presidency, and Clinton has disappeared and is presumably making efforts to avoid further legal scrutiny…Bernie Sanders, now given more screen time on CNN than he had pre-election, has emerged as the opposition to the Republicans, Sanders asks a town hall…”The Republicans want tax breaks for the one percent, and cuts to social security. Who here is in favour of that?”
Guess how many?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJui1FHtIo
…and that shines a light on what truly shows how disconnected the interests of the establishment are from those of most Americans. Beyond this issue, there are so many others where the American people overwhelmingly disagree with the oft media-parroted goals of plutocrats, oligarchs, and militarists. No one wants us deeply involved in Syria, or to spend bazillions on the military and basically nothing on helping common Americans with something like an infrastructure plan, or to give shit tons of money to a repulsive psuedo-theocracy like Israel that not only trashes us readily, but openly interferes in our politics. Yet we hear constantly about continued job growth, not that one in five men are actually unemployed, or how we have ‘let down’ the people of Syria, when most Syrians happily support Assad over the jihadist nuts that compose the ‘moderate’ opposition. The disconnect is increasingly glaring, hopefully more and more people WAKE UP!
Israel has us by the balls; there’ s nothing we can do other than give them money. Because of the “Samson Option” & the “Never Again” principle, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
I get my kicks above the Neckline sunshine…
The clear and present danger today is the media-Democrat-“intelligence” services cabal. They are colluding to de-legitimatize Trump. It won’t work, and we will fight back against this dangerous group of traitors.
put focus on the murder of Seth Rich and keep focus on the murder of Seth Rich and shake that tree!
Trump bashing is required to preempt the certain ad hominem attacks by partisan zombies.
too late for CNN, they were already the Clinton News Network.
The ran this story and they own it!
At precisely the critical time when we most needed unimpeachable scrutiny on Trump, what a colossal BACKFIRE!
How will the disgraced MsM ever recover from this self-inflicted disembowelment?
Outsourcing what little is left of the Fourth Estate to Brazil may not have been such a bad idea after all. Keep going Glenn/team.
This is beyond hilarious! Obama’s former spokesman has framed Communist Party memorabilia in his living room per photos taken for a news article and published openly and it’s Trump they smear with “communist ties!”
These bumbling, stumbling Libtards! OH MY GOSH!
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
The “deep media” need exactly a story like this to reclaim their “credibility” – see how responsible we are, we are fact base and we didn’t run with it!
But they were willing to smear 200 websites.
Trump even thanked the NY Times at his press conferee this morning.
Kiss and make up and start with a blank slate on Jan 20 – while diverting attention from the Senate Confirmation process and Obama’s warning last night about threats to Democracy.
Mr. Greenwald
“……..It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it. Clinton clearly wanted a harder line than Obama took against the CIA’s long-standing foes in Moscow, while Trump wanted improved relations and greater cooperation. In general, Clinton defended and intended to extend the decades long international military order on which the CIA and Pentagon’s preeminence depends, while Trump — through a still-uncertain mix of instability and extremist conviction — posed a threat to it……..”
Here is another instance of the alt-left and the alt-right coming together because of common interests although for different reasons. Both groups are very skeptical (or outright deny) that Putin hacked the DNC (Rush Limbaugh, for example). Both harbor extreme distrust of the government. Both hate Hillary Clinton with a passion. The far left hates Hillary for her hawkish foreign policies, ties to Wall Street, neoliberal policies and especially for her fealty to Israel. The far right opposes Hilary’s liberal side including immigration and refugee policies, neoliberal policies (like Nafta) and her “entitlement” to be President. Of course, some members of the alt-right are dangerously racist and anti-Semitic.
Putin receives much of his support in Europe from ascending far right anti-muslim parties while the alt-left views Putin as a victim to US policies like the advance of NATO to the doorstep of Russia, the (so-called) western-backed coup in Ukraine and overstepping Russian vital interests in Syria. So the extreme left sees detente with Russia in the interest of world peace a positive development rather than the confrontational style of HRC who is a liberal interventionists bordering on neocon. She has been highly critical of Putin. The extreme left still believes that neocons run US foreign policy and the Trump Presidency could marginalize neoconservatives for good.
No one on the alt-left is particularly fooled by Trump. They view him as a racist and extremist – plain and simple. He receives backdoor support at best because he challenges the US establishment. He is seen as an unknown who could shake up establishment foreign policies – like in Israel, the Middle East, Russia and China. Early in the primary season, he seemed to support a more neutral position on Israel. Mostly, he is NOT Hillary. Greenwald considers Trump a threat (importantly) to the existing order. However, Trump isn’t even President yet and he has already threatened to inflame the situation between Israel and the Palestinians by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. In one phone call with the President of Taiwan, he increased tensions with China. China just sent an aircraft carrier into the Taiwan Strait in part (probably) as a response to Trump’s phone call. Trump has appointed hardline negotiators to deal with trade policies with China. Trump could further expand drone warfare targeting Muslim extremists – and alienate Muslim refugees and immigrants to the US (and Europe). Trump is already very unpopular in Mexico.
The alt-left gambled with their war on Hillary that the risk of a Trump Presidency was worth the consequences. Time will tell.
You’ve described the “extreme left” as a faction of very rational and sober people.
Have I ever suggested otherwise?
Trump is just part of the same nationalist trend that is sweeping Europe and Britain, the culmination of the anti-globalization trend that’s been brewing and growing steam for some time – from Seattle 1999 to Occupy Wall Street to Brexit, it’s because people are sick of a handful of elites snatching up all the wealth with rigged dirty games facilitated by paid-off politicial scum like Clinton and Blair and Bush.
See this for a nice snapshot of who we’re talking about:
http://www.salon.com/2008/03/14/superclass/
See also the French Revolution as an example of the current trend. Yes, things could get very ugly. The gated communities could be overrun by angry hungry mobs, somewhat like World War Z. And the longer the elite wannabe aristocrats try to hold onto power, the more violent and radical the eventual revolution will be – it’d be far better for them to retire with whatever loot they can carry off with them now, while they still can, and stop trying to play the global supervillain game.
Looks like an interesting book, but at least in the mind of the author, the global elites will focus on economics and not war. Countries ( I suppose) will cease to exist and we will all be at the mercy of the global elites. Seems like a disaster waiting to happen!
There is an anti-globalization movement which is manifested in a lot of ways including anti-neoliberal policies, Islamism, ethnic and religious identity, anti-immigration/multiculturalism and preservation of culture. I really don’t see reversing that trend because we are all so economically connected. People migrate toward economic opportunity. You cannot change that in my opinion. There is plenty of violence opposing globalization though.
Thanks.
Interesting photo.
And most people have preferred to remain blissfully unaware/ignorant of these developments for more than a century, since the Roaring 90s and the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Throw in folks like Thorstein Veblen and Ferdinand Lundberg, who both went into considerable detail regarding who the elites were, what they were doing and precisely how they felt about the rest of us.
Fast forward to the PNAC and the interesting propositions to establish population-free zones in America alone, and there is certainly enough to pique the interest of anyone who is not plugged into the Matrix of the Culture Industry.
Oddly, Toynbee described this as a continuum, in his monumental work, “A Study of History”, too.
Oh, well. Back to the sitcoms, I guess.
The “Alt-Left” ProgreSSing towards their view of Utopia for everyone else is also anti-semitic and BLM & LaRaza are Racist. (BTW, there is No KKK today)
Kudos! Thank you for your excellence, balance and profound wisdom!!
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William Casey, Ronald Reagan’s first CIA Director (from Casey’s first staff meeting, 1981)
i also had some bookmarked links about the CIA’s use of “conspiracy theory” as a smear…one from alternet had an amusing though depressing sidebar:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/how-cia-invented-and-promoted-conspiracy-theories-discredit-controversial-views
in case it changes, the current #1 on the sidebar is “Donald Trump Was Bailed Out of Bankruptcy by Russia Crime Bosses”.
alternet used to be decent but has since devolved into full on salon.com level stupidity.
i’d also point out: https://www.rt.com/news/196984-german-journlaist-cia-pressure/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge
none of which will change the minds of anyone who believes a word out of solnit or moulitsas’ mouths. too far gone. even the use of the term “deep state” will instantly trigger a deeply ingrained disdain for the previous mentioned “conspiracy theorists”. these types live happily in plato’s cave watching the dancing shadows of CNN and Fox on the wall.
for a great primer of the CIA’s past i’d again recommend alan moore’s excellent “brought to light”. it was written during the reagan/thatcher years but holds up today if you can find it online (or used on ebay). i wonder how many guy fawkes mask wearing “v for vendetta” fans know it exists.
anyhoo, great work as usual.
The Democrats and establishment are sinking themselves. All you have to do is stand by and watch them thunderdome themselves out of existence. Its cringe worthy to watch this massive fumble.
Jimmy Carter fired thousands of CIA employees. Time to do the same thing again! Trump will succeed and his presidency will be awesome, and the loser democrats will lose again.
Yeah, and look what happened to Carter! Reagan’s election was backed up by much hidden intrigue. The CIA hated Carter.
Correctly understanding terms like “deep state” are extremely important if one aspires to a deeper level of insight into the significance of stories such as this. Personally, I subscribe to the belief that most of the attacks on Trump from the political left are being orchestrated by deeply entrenched financial and political interests that have acquired the capacity to manipulate the instruments of power to a degree wherein the continuity of self-enriching and self-empowering polices are perpetually rendered invisible, and thus impervious, to the will of the people via democratic processes. Author Mike Lofgren defines the Deep State as:
Following the February 21, 2014 essay in which this definition appeared, Lungren further expounded on this definition in a book entitled “Deep State” which was reviewed in a February 12, 2016 article by Chuck Spinney entitled, “Deconstructing America’s ‘Deep State’”:
In summing up Lungren’s evolving definition of the “deep state”, Spinney brought his own experience as a military analyst to bear on the question of the major ideological currents that have converged to provide this anti-democratic “amalgam” with a set of definable elements:
In repeatedly setting himself up in open opposition to various instruments of the deep state, Trump has made himself their target. The attacks on Trump’s character are intended to call into question his fitness to rule. Placing Trump on the defensive concerning his alleged pro-Putin posture at the very moment when his political appointees are being vetted by Congress serves to provide a cold war standard by which the merits of each can be measured. Take the choice of Exxon CEO Tillerson for example:
As Trump has already caved on the question of the Russians hacking the DNC, one can reasonably expect further induced contriteness and capitulation as he is made to realize where the real seat of American power actually resides.
That definition of the “Deep State” is incomplete (thought I’d forgotten about the elements of the judicial system that comprise part of it), because you left out all the corporate contractors that provide the money to keep it all going. The primary aim of the Deep State bureaucrats and politicians is pretty banal: keep the federal defense contract money flowing as much as possible, and also keep the global arms sales program flowing as much as possible.
Think about the cutback in direct military purchases and reconstruction contracts after 2008 as Iraq operations wound down. This had been a huge cash cow for the Deep State corporate wing. Sourcewatch has a list of those contractors under “Reconstruction of Iraq contractors.”
Another cluster involves all the corporate interests who provides services to entities like the CIA, NSA, FBI, NRO, Pentagon, State Department and DOE/NNSA. For example, Amazon under Jeff Bezos (a top Clinton backer) got into this game with a $600 million contract to provide cloud computing for the CIA. But here’s background on the big five spy support agencies:
http://boingboing.net/2016/09/13/five-government-contractors-ac.html
There’s whole other constellations of corporate contractors servicing the nuclear weapons program, as well – Bechtel, BWXT, Battelle, LLNL, the national nuclear labs and their contractors, etc.
Now your typical alt-right activist with an anti-government agenda always tends to ignore the corporate side of the Deep State, somehow thinking this is “the business community” or something – but these entities live off government funds, and are really no different from the massive Soviet bureaucracies of the Cold War that served the same functions. It’s a bizarre “public-private partnership” whose members, like Ashton Carter, constantly revolve between the public sector and the private sector.
Another key factor that defines the deep state (and which progressives and liberals seem to not understand sometimes) is that those corporations that don’t rely solely on government contracts for their profits (for example, oil, agribusiness, automobiles, etc. etc.) are not part of the “Deep State”. Yes, they like the government to serve their agenda, but the relationships are not so incestuous and long-lasting.
And, finally, if you go look up the major shareholders in the publicly traded “Deep State” corporations like Lockheed and SAIC, lo and behold it’s the usual group of mutual fund and pension fund giants – State Street (a top Clinton booster), Fidelity, Blackrock, Vanguard – if you’ve got a 401K pension plan, that’s probably where some of the money comes from.
Now that last one, I find that makes a whole lot of people uncomfortable when they find it out, that they’re going to finance their retirement off profits from some of the sleaziest actors on the planet. Ouch.
Both of the sources that I provided spoke to the role of corporate money in the formation of the Dark State along with the impact of Citizens United.
I was just pointing out, for example, that United Technologies (who Trump threatened with contract cutoffs if their subsidiary, Carrier, closed their plant) is a Deep State entity just as much as the bureaucrats in the Pentagon and State Department contract delivery sections are.
And of course, ultimately it’s the taxpayers who provide the money to keep it all going, ultimately, not the corporate contractors. What I meant there is that the bureaucrats and politicians are rewarded by the private sector with cushy lucrative jobs after leaving office or their jobs; that’s the function of the revolving door.
If you can get your hands on a copy of “The Iron Triangle (Carlyle Goup)” and “The Halliburton Agenda”, those are great for understanding the operations of the Deep State system. Dan Briody.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108312.The_Iron_Triangle
Thanks for the lead on the books. I’ll check them out.
So, according to the above definitions of what “The Deep State” actually is, it must have been “The Deep State” that put a gag on Sybil Edmonds when she finally got her day in court and neither she nor her ACLU lawyers were allowed to witness the proceedings due to “State Secrets Privilege”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiOtBqKyDYg
Yes. Sybil Edmonds has very much been a victim of deep state interests. This video that you provided sums her experience up very succinctly. Thanks
Yes, I have little doubt that her revelations about illicit arms sales to Turkey by US based Arms manufacturers placed her in the cross hairs of elements within the dark state.
Very informative video – thanks
Sorry, sometimes I experience an inexplicable delay on my posts which culminates in a second being posted.
FIRE ALL THE HEADS AND UNDERLINGS IN ALL DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE FED!
MAGA !!!
Interesting.
Is the FBI part of the Deep State or is it a rogue entity attempting to defy the Deep State?
When the FBI drove Aaron Swartz to suicide, was it acting as Deep State team member or was it acting as Deep State renegade?
When the FBI director announced, unprompted and just before the election, that the Clinton investigators would be looking through Anthony Weiner’s computer was it acting as Deep State member or was it acting contrary to the Deep State’s interests? If they had this information on Trump, why not mention this too?
When FBI Associate Director Mark Felt brought the Washington Post incriminating information about Nixon, was that the Deep State trying to sabotage Nixon or was it trying to protect the nation from the depredations of the Deep State?
Steven Hatfill, Bruce Ivins, Wen Ho Lee, the acetylene bridge saboteur, Waco … the list of unwarranted FBI intrusions into the US political culture goes even farther back than the Red Scare machinations of J. Edgar Hoover (also referred to as “McCarthyism”) in the 1940s and 1950s makes this government agency highly un-credible as a source.
Since I couldn’t read the WSJ link, I don’t know if the “FBI” offered this bit of refutation officially or if it “leaked” it or if it was an FBI renegade countering the FBI official position stated by Comey yesterday that the FBI wouldn’t comment on any current investigation.
I guess that means there’s no current FBI investigation. Since I’ve seen no FBI report about a concluded investigation, then there must not have been an FBI investigation.
But if that’s the case, how would they know fuckall about Cohen or anything else about the validity of the of this bit of “fake news”?
It appears to me the FBI has a vested interest in a Republican political victory.
Interesting, eh?
Well, it’s Wednesday, so the FBI’s statement that Cohen didn’t go to the CR shows that they ha(d) a “vested interest in a Republican victory”.
Tomorrow is Thursday, so the FBI’s statement in the CERT report that Putin helped Trump win will show that the FBI ha(d) a “vested interest in a Democratic victory”.
Didn’t you get your copy of the Unprincipled Ideologue Calendar?
If no FBI interviews are conducted with persons implicated in a chargeable crime, its unlikely an FBI investigation was completed.
If there is no chargeable crime, it is still legally permissible to maintain dossiers of the gathered “information”, true or false, which may come in handy for future political blackmail. Power corrupts, etc.
So yes, of course there is a Deep State, by definition. No further evidence is required.
Here is the Guardian, yesterday 1/10/2016:
Glenn Greenwald citing the Wall Street Journal today (1/11/2016):
If the FBI Director testifies to Congress he cannot comment, how does the WSJ get to quote the FBI to convey information. Is that information true or false?
If Mr. Greenwald scrutinizes the press for “fake news,” he should be more careful — more skeptical — using the WSJ as a source.
Either the FBI has information or it doesn’t. When the WSJ cites the FBI as a source for information immediately after the Director refuses to comment on that same information, that raises a red flag for me.
The FBI has a long history of intervening in US politics (examples of which I provided.) The question here is simple: is the WSJ lying about its source, is the FBI pursuing a hidden agenda, or is something else going on?
Beautifully put, Glenn.
We now witness the panic of disempowered liberals whose persuasive skills have eroded in favor of cultural Marxism. Somewhere along the way their quest to improve lives gave way to simply becoming a political juggernaut.
Now that they lack the consent of the sanctioned, they (and the RNC leaders as well) will have to develop another tool kit- and for the first time in a looong time, an actual appreciation for our constitutional checks and balances.
If there is a silver lining to this Presidency, this is it.
So the media are “cultural Marxists” when they support a candidate who is:
-In favor of Wall Street
-In favor of increased police forces
-In favor of fracking
-In favor of increased tensions abroad
-Opposed to a coalition against ISIL
-Opposed to Donald Trump
-Opposed to third parties
I’m not sure how that is “Marxist”. It’s not connected with Karl, and it’s not funny like Groucho, Harpo, Chico, or Zeppo.
Correctly understanding terms like “deep state” are extremely important if one aspires to a deeper level of insight into the significance of stories such as this. Personally, I subscribe to the belief that most of the attacks on Trump from the political left are being orchestrated by deeply entrenched financial and political interests that have acquired the capacity to manipulate the instruments of power to a degree wherein the continuity of self-enriching and self-empowering polices are perpetually rendered invisible, and thus impervious, to the will of the people via democratic processes. Author Mike Lofgren defines the Deep State as:
Following the February 21, 2014 essay in which this definition appeared, Lungren further expounded on this definition in a book entitled “Deep State” which was reviewed in a February 12, 2016 article by Chuck Spinney entitled, “Deconstructing America’s ‘Deep State’”:
In summing up Lungren’s evolving definition of the “deep state”, Spinney brought his own experience as a military analyst to bear on the question of the major ideological currents that have converged to provide this anti-democratic “amalgam” with a set of definable elements:
In repeatedly setting himself up in open opposition to various instruments of the deep state, Trump has made himself their target. The attacks on Trump’s character are intended to call into question his fitness to rule. Placing Trump on the defensive concerning his alleged pro-Putin posture at the very moment when his political appointees are being vetted by Congress serves to provide a cold war standard by which the merits of each can be measured. Take the choice of Exxon CEO Tillerson for example:
As Trump has already caved on the question of the Russians hacking the DNC, one can reasonably expect further induced contriteness and capitulation as he is made to realize where the real seat of American power actually resides.
Although this matches a post higher in the thread it also includes multiple links that the other does not.
Hey Karl
Glenn – thanks once again for an insightful article that is balanced and carefully thought through. Beneath the substrate of official Con-Lib-Dem-Pub politics, there is evidence that the “deep state” is desperately trying to return us to a Cold War mindset in an effort to reassert control. Their unceasing attempts to discredit Edward Snowdon, Julian Assange & Wikileaks who have exposed their secrets further indicates that full disclosure compromises the secrecy necessary to promote their deceptions. It wasn’t only Ike who warned us about the “deep state.” Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter warned: “The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes.”
marxist-democrat establishment PROPAGANDA MEDIA.
get it straight or enable the marxists to continue propagandizing.
You, like so many right-wing morons who toss the term around indiscriminately, wouldn’t know a Marxist from a marmot — under bright lights, with labels affixed.
True, but left-wing morons do the same with “fascist.” So the world is in balance, and everything is as it should be.
From the beginning I felt that the Russians probably obtained the narrative they sought with the DNC and Pedesta hacks: none directly concerned HRC and few can recite but a few tidbits but everyone knows Russia preferred Trump. They wanted her because she was foolish enough to waltz around Moscow on her unprotected device connected to her unprotected server pre-BLEACH BIT. They really wanted her in the WH hence their effort to appear to prefer him. Then of course the unprecedented degree to which the intelligence community…not the political leadership…but rank and file…advocated openly against him in the election. This latest is the kitchen sink being thrown against the wall by people who know they’ll be unemployed in two weeks. Of course it could be true and the conventional wisdom that Russia preferred Trump over Clinton could be true. But conventional wisdom’s track record this election cycle hasn’t been good…has it?
There is no need to fabricate “fake news” – Exxon CEO Tillerson has engaged in corrupt deals with dictators all over the world, including Putin and Russian Oligarchs – one $500 billion project was blocked by sanctions.
“Golden shower” “pussy grabbing” Trump is a billionaire who made his money off political relationships with the “deep state”.
Why so little reporting of any of that?
Lemme guess, Correct the Record calling? Looks like the typical ‘throw shit at the wall, some of it must stick’ that good ol’ COR did throughout the primary…
Stupid is as stupid does…in your case, you comment. Gross ignorance, such as yours, should be shunned. *and if possible pelted with rotten fruit.*
because the reporting was a prank for the gullible supporters of Clinton & Obama, these two war criminals and war profiteers: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax
The Saudis’ bribes to “patriotic” Clinton have been particularly impressive: https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/why-did-the-saudi-regime-and-other-gulf-tyrannies-donate-millions-to-the-clinton-foundation/
Wow, this the best jounalistic opinion I have read in a long time. It gives me hope journalism is not dead and replaced by plain fanatics. Thank you
I expect a major ‘intelligence’ cleanup to begin shortly after Trump takes office. He may go radical and consolidate ‘the 17 agencies’ into maybe 2 or 3, maybe the FBI, a military thing and something that reports to the WH directly, get rid of the CIA. It would be good.
Seriously, the more they rattle his chain the more ‘radical’ he’s likely to get while getting back at them. And watch how CNN never-ever again gets to ask a question at a WH briefing or a press conf.
Wasn’t JFK talking about making changes at CIA shortly before——-Oh nevermind
Push too hard and they will literally kill him. For sure it’s being discussed. That’s just how they roll.
It’s a possibility which is why he needs to act fast and strike deep. Or he makes peace with the establishment and it’s business as usual again. Obama, for example, was ‘turned’ almost as soon as he got elected.
Given the unique responsibility of most of those agencies, I can see only a few get consolidated (CIA director returning to his old role as NID, DIA coordinating the various service branches (with the Marines falling under ONI), NGIA/NRO merger), but I can see a major housecleaning. We could even see prosecution of some officials for abuse of power- or perhaps for aiding terrorism (See Syria and Libya).
I’m not sure why CNN gets cut out and not NBC (home of noted liar Brian Williams and Judith Miller-scale liar Richard Engle) does not.
CNN had the ‘golden showers’ story as BREAKING NEWS yesterday. Trump doesn’t forget or forgive such things.
Well goddamn, where are the reasonable people who are supposed to be members of a strong opposition party?
I, little old me, is torn between taking sustained action – but to whom and where?
I can’t stand it.
One thing not mentioned yet, as far as I can tell: if Agent Orange was only taking Intel Briefings because most people thought he was negligent not to, then I am CERTAIN he was/is using the same screwy/conspiracy-laden sources he was using before.
There is nothing sane or normal about what is happening now and as Mr Greenwald wrote, in no uncertain terms. the media is burying themselves in such bulls**t that it will be very hard to restore trust, if even possible.
This time, it’s really print and press going to town – and this is more serious. CNN is now credible enough to cite as a serious cable network shows how far we have sunk.
I stress the need for the Shadow Press (you and others) to start asserting yourselves to a broader audience.
Take back our airwaves, or borrow them for a time. (Anonymous, anybody?)
“Agent Orange”! That’s the best name for the Great Divider I’ve seen yet.
I borrowed it after realizing how difficult it is for me to actually think, utter, or write his name in any close proximity to the President of these United States.
Feel free to enjoy it.
I use “President-grotesque.”
Cohen’s has already proved that he has never visited Prague and that he was in fact in California at a game with his son.
Glen, you maybe the only honest liberal left.
I just set my first Tweeter acct in 10 years, only to follow Glenn, Trump, Snowden and Assange.
Hmmm… should I be following Putin? Guess not, I’m sure he has ways to get into my head if he wants/needs to.
He’s still an autocratic murdering shitbird, I don’t think anyone denies that…
At least he’s a man…not a pansy, wearing women’s clothes.
To borrow a handle here, sort or, Wait, what?
sort “of.”
Only… his people, i.e. the Russians who live in Russia, seem to kind of like him. If an 82% approval can be viewed as ‘high’.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/how-to-understand-putins-jaw-droppingly-high-approval-ratings/2016/03/05/17f5d8f2-d5ba-11e5-a65b-587e721fb231_story.html
If you read the article, written before the Putin hysteria was fully turned on, most Russians don’t like where Russia seems to be heading but they approve of Putin anyway. Possibly because they believe he’s doing a good job under the not so happy circumstances?
Glenn isn’t a liberal.
I disagree with one prominent aspect of this otherwise good article.
The democrats are not in a state of “collapse.”
The democrats and the republicans are two arms of the same corruption.
They are NOT separate agencies with differing agendas. The lousiness
currently on display by all of these fakers is another proof of their
shared devious lying predatory corruption.
Money and domination are central to their sadistic delights,
whether they are liars who promote themselves as liberal democrats or
liars who promote themselves as conservative republicans.
I know many liberal democrats and I have too many examples
of their inability to be honest about what they support.
To paraphrase Bob Dylan.
I used to be among the crowd they’re “in with.” They turned on me
(like when hypocrite Rebecca Solnit called people like me “RANCID”)
when I made even the smallest suggestion that perhaps the
democrats and republicans
were both part of the same corruption.
The NEED for both democrats and republicans to lash out at
anyone who dares to try to remove their beloved blinders is just
a small indicator of their great lust and delusion.
Both arms are stained with lies and blood. They will not allow
examination and they are “highly confident” that the desperate
suckers will follow them over the cliff while their owners proudly
put on more make-up.
The empire of capital knows no bounds and its democrats and republicans
are devoutly greasing the toxic juggernaut driven by privatizing greed.
Dylan’s “Positively 4th Street” is a very good description
of the faking U$A and its two-faced corporate owned “parties.”
Glen – many people offered very similar critiques of your work and Wikileaks and Manning et al
And aren’t you doing exactly this? i.e. making the accusation against “deep state”?
“many people will conclude, with Trump’s encouragement, that large media outlets (CNN and BuzzFeed) and anti-Trump factions inside the government (CIA) are deploying “Fake News” to destroy him.
The only harm that this writer can envision arising from the publication of the absurd and unverified claims against Trump is that future allegations against him might not be believed? Does anyone care about truth? Do Trump’s enemies hate him so much that they are willing to use these tactics based on lies and deceit to defeat him and his administration? Clearly, the answer is “yes!” The great battle to take back control of our country from media liars, arrogant bureaucrats and other enemies continues.
Obviously, CNN had lost all credibility long before this. But, seriously – where can I go to get straight news? Not Fox, not major newspapers like WAPO and the NYT (who were wearing their Clinton Pom-Poms all last year. I am in my 60’s. I remember Uncle Walter (Cronkite), David and Chet, etc… Where is there to go now?
Good article, Glenn. I don’t know what thinking person isn’t reflecting on Eisenhower’s speech a lot these days.
When Trump is inaugurated it’s these agencies that had best WATCH their six.Trump will clean house, he was already going to do some.THis may take it to a whole NUTHER LEVEL.
Yeah, like JFK cleaned house.
According to the Intercept, anonymous leaks implicating Russia in nefarious activity = misinformation propagated by the U.S. “deep state,” while anonymous leaks implicating the U.S. or the Democratic party = pure gospel. Glad to see objectivity still exists.
Also, given the fact that Mr. Greenwald has no actual evidence regarding either the source or motivation for the leak, his headline of “The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect” contains just as much or more unconfirmed speculation than anything the Washington Post has done.
The “evidence regarding either the source or motivation for the leak” is well-documented and acknowledged: it was opposition research bought and paid for by Trump’s opponents in the Democrat and Republican parties.
Ignoring basic facts previously disclosed is a very ineffective strategy for refuting an argument.
So you are saying that the “source of the leak” (i.e., the person who gave the information to the press) was the individual who performed the research and wrote the memo? Where is your cite for that? It is kind of humorous to be chided for ignoring basic facts by someone who does not understand the basic facts.
Para. 13 from above: “Back in October, a political operative and former employee of the British intelligence agency MI6 was being paid by Democrats to dig up dirt on Trump (before that, he was paid by anti-Trump Republicans). He tried to convince countless media outlets to publish a long memo he had written filled with explosive accusations about Trump’s treason, business corruption and sexual escapades, with the overarching theme that Trump was in servitude to Moscow because they were blackmailing and bribing him.”
Gosh. It’s almost like you posted without even reading what was written…
The story of the source of the “leak” (it’s not a leak, it’s the unsupported narrative of an “investigation” that has been shopped by its author for months) is in wide publication and distribution and is, so far, unchallenged.
For Greenwald’s recitation of the “story of the source,” begin with paragraph 13, above.
While we can’t, I suppose, be certain of the motivation for shopping it, we can be fairly confident that the author’s motivation for preparing it was the money he was paid to dig up dirt on Trump.
Anyway, motives are always slippery and, in law and logic, not usually necessary elements of “the crime.”
Got cite?
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It doesn’t now and never has. At least not in journalism, and it’s existence in any field is suspect. See, e.g., Heisenberg.
Leave the poor physicist alone. The fact that simultaneous measurements of, for example, position and momentum cannot have infinite accuracy is irrelevant. Consider instead the transfer of information. Physics assures us that we can transmit information on a channel with accuracy approaching perfection up to a certain rate. And, by the way, the information rate in most journalism is damn low.
You’re confusing the “observer effect” with the “uncertainty principle.” But don’t feel bad; Werner, himself, did the same thing fairly often.
The hell I am. You apparently have no idea what you are talking about, completely ignorant of how to transmit information in the classical universe with unlimited accuracy despite the uncertainty principle.
As for feeling bad about it, fuck you.
Heh. Except it’s not just the anonymity of the leaks that they’re criticizing—it’s (a) anonymity, (b) lack of verifiability, (c) AND (in many instances) completely falsified claims. The leaks of the past few years implicating the US and the Democratic Party have been verified and, to date, proven true time and again.
Glad to see that reactionary posturing is continuing to thrive!
Your first scenario relates to deliberate attempts to spread misinformation in order to subvert the democratic process.
Your second scenario relates to exposing verifiable facts that were kept hidden by named individuals, who have not refuted them.
Whether you agree with him or not, Glenn has principles. You could learn something from him.
Your are making an assumption that the first scenario constitutes “deliberate attempts to spread misinformation in order to subvert the democratic process.” It is not a fact. And according to your logic above, the “burden of proof” is not on the proponent of the assertion, but is on the accused. So according to your logic, it is up to Trump to disprove the assertions made against him.
The “report” under discussion was paid opposition research intended solely to discredit and damage a particular candidate, not to “inform” the public regarding the machinations of political institutions. No need to look past the overt motivations behind the two scenarios, unless you are trying to ignore their obvious implications.
(Is your “logic” that the failure of Podesta et al to validate the Wikileaks emails is proof of their lack of validity?? If so, further attempts at discourse are obviously futile).
In the first case, the published “evidence” is absurdly constructed and contains supporting details which are provably, patently false, and there is no supporting evidence that any of the claims made are true. It’s also now certain that at least one alleged event created as a joke on the internet was accepted for inclusion in these “notes” of uncertain provenance and zero evidence.
In the other case, those persons to which the corrupt emails are attributed have never publicly denied authorship in even the smallest detail.
These differences may not be immediately apparent to you. But just about everyone else “gets it”.
Glenn has been going through a schizophrenic phase for quite some time
Nice unsubstantiated smear there, ‘Hobart’. As always, the internet is the land of the anonymous- all would do well to be reminded that anyone can post anything, from any motivation- including being paid to smear and spread misinformation. There are billions and billions of dollars being banked by the security and military establishments- they would be complete fools to not pay more than a few pukes to defend their interests online….
If the anonymous leaks implicating the DNC were false, why the hell didn’t we ever hear the slightest denial? And I hate to agree with Der Trump, but WHY isn’t strong evidence that the primary was at least partially rigged a huge cause of concern? Gee, maybe because Bernie had nothing but enemies among the establishment, including the media? And when the report meant to validate the Russian hacking is riddled with obvious errors (http://fair.org/home/us-government-tries-and-fails-to-play-media-critic-on-rt/), why would anyone with a brain decide that blindly trusting a bunch of spooks makes sense? Not sure if it is blind partisanship or blazing stupidity, but so much of the government line blatantly fails the logic test- I am baffled that anyone buys it. Then again, we have always been at war with Eurasia, right? And after all, everyone knows that slavery is in fact freedom. What the hell is going on?!
Nothing in the emails revealed the primary to be rigged.
Yes, there were. That the DNC had settled on Clinton over Sanders right
from the beginning. The fix was in. Why do you think Debbie Blabbermouth
Schultz resigned? Wake up
Troll
In one instance you put the burden of persuasion on the accused (the Democrats) and in the other you put it on the accuser (people accusing Trump). People have a tendency to do this when one set of of allegations supports a conclusion they wish to support and the other does not. I have a hard time agreeing with you that there is convincing evidence that the Democratic primary was rigged, although the party apparatus clearly favored Clinton. She still received more votes from the public.
Fine, let’s investigate exactly what happened within the DNC and find out. Limited evidence would certainly indicate something fishy was going on, correct? But that’s not important, right, not like millions of Bernie voters who feel cheated count? The Democratic Party is a stumbling zombie, propped up by big money and the powers that be. If they had any interest in regaining the public’s trust, they would have ASKED for an outside investigation, and Donna f-ing Brazile sure as hell wouldn’t have kept her job after being blatantly caught with her hand in the cookie jar… (and also LYING about it) The derpitude of those who blindly cheer on a clearly corrupt, fully self-interested Demo party shocks me. Their only interests are their own interests- just like the repubs, they are FACTION.
Here’s some pretty darn good evidence:
https://twitter.com/novenator/status/724474126933479424
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/the-democratic-primaries-no-more-exit-polls-kentucky-and-oregon-recap/
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/big-networks-cancel-exit-polls-in-remaining-primaries/
A classic case of kill the messenger?
No “anonymous leaks implicating the U.S. or the Democratic party” are at issue. An unknown leaker provided a trove of emails in which the senders and receivers are all known.
I just read what looks like a update at the NY Times – “What awe know and don’t know” – and it states that the NY Times had some kind of source agreements pledging confidentiality, with both the British spy and the US firm.
So, if NYT did that, when and why? How aggressively did they investigate the material?
That changes your analysis as well.
WNDs in Iraq, Project Mockingbird, MK Ultra, JFK being assassinated 2 weeks after saying he was going to splinter the CIA into a 1000 pieces, Reagan being shot after telling the country there was a deep dark secret he needed to share with the people. The list is too numerous to even write. At this point if you believe anything that comes out of the government’s so-called intelligence community you are a brainwashed sheep!
We won’t even discuss that POS John McCain
and USS Liberty (mccain)
and building 7 (cia)
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy
I will go a step further.. the collaboration between the security services and the fake news outlets is sedition and treason…. taking the propaganda from fake news to tokyo rose… deserving of purge and capital punishment. The complicity of the security services borders on a coup.
It’s been downhill for the agency ever since MOST AWED took control of the
SEE-EYE-AAA
Glenn…yes, and thank you. I’ve been calling it Boy Who Cried Wolf Syndrome. Begging once sane friends to PLEASE
Glen – I understand that the classified version of the intelligence report that briefed Obama and Trump was also distributed to the “big 8″ – D& R in Senate and House Intelligence Committees.
So, Congress could be the source of the leak to CNN, and that would alter your analysis.
Have you considered this?
McCain says he was the person who delivered these “notes” to the CIA, and says CIA had some portion of them already in hand (source unknown).
McCain also says he acquired these “notes” from a former British intel guy who now does intel for profit and was providing oppo research to repubs and then the dems. It’s a business.
That McCain asked CIA to check out whether this information was true offers some evidence all federal office holders s/b forced to retire when they are plainly no longer mentally competent. But I digress.
It would be interesting to know if anyone actually paid this private spook for the work product he delivered and how much these campaigns thought it was worth. One would think not much since not one Trump opponent in either party ever released this salacious material, which would incur risk of totally destroying the credibility of their own campaigns.
It’s not even in question that the report was paid for: see para. 13 above.
The dossier was widely marketed to media and political operatives, for months before the election, from what I’ve read.
The “news” here is that the media refused to print any of it.
I question whether they ever even investigated it to try to confirm the authenticity, credibility of the author and content.
Don’t misuse the word “Intelligence” this word should be replaced by “Con Artist” Community. I will tell you where this will lead… It will lead directly to John McCain and “deep State” himself Tim Barrow.
Mark my words… globalist McCain’s behind this slanderous scheme.
Another aspect the IC “Deep State” (God forbid) is missing is that their threat to Donald Trump is not in an era like the later perception of theories about JFK. When JFK was murdered by Lee Harvey Oswald, took decades for people to consider others seriously involved, including theories about IC rogues, etc. But today we have a different situation, especially now. God forbid something happens today, many millions of furious Americans will turn their head directly in the direction of Langley.
Langley needs to do everything humanly possible to protect Donald Trump at this point – they have screwed up big, big time. If American people believe they are behind a coup, the consequences will be unspeakable. Langley needs to find a way to reign in those IC rogues in private life as well; they have really stepped in it this time.
The whole Russia flap is a distraction & a diversion.
For Democrats, it’s another excuse to avoid facing the real causes of their debacle. For Republican war-hawks, it’s another excuse to a.) ramp up belligerence and b.) take the political initiative away from Trump.
Putin and Russia are the ultimate “Red” Herrings.
All warhawks are not repubs. Review the list of people who have in the past voted for war resolutions (including the esteemed Sen. Clinton) and you will immediately notice this fact. We should instead be referring to the “War Hawk Caucus”, which has members from both parties.
This is obvious. This is history.
Thanks Glen! This Russia-Trump hysteria is reminding me when the war drums were beating heavy to invade Iraq. My opposition to it from the very beginning got me harsh condemnation and I was labeled unpatriotic and told to leave the country. Now those very same people blast Bush and the Iraq war, with no apologies to me and very short memory on where they stood.
Now, again, those very same people are eating up this fake news and calling me a Trump support. Despite the fact I vote for Bernie and then Jill Stein.
Here’s a crazy idea, Glenn: WHY DON’T YOU INVESTIGATE IT? Whole lot of arm chair quarterbacking from you this year, and very little actual investigative journalism. It’s great that you like sharing your opinion so much, but it would be extremely valuable to the world if you’d do a little bit more, you know, investigative journalism. Trump is a major threat to the world. I find it hard to believe that you don’t agree with that statement. So maybe put a little time into investigating him? Maybe almost as much as you put into trashing Hillary Clinton? She lost. He’s the President, or about to be. Put your talent and considerable abilities into the very thing The Intercept was supposedly formed to do: dig out the truth and report on it.
““is serious reason to doubt the allegations,” on the ground that they want to leave it to the public to decide whether to believe it.”
The very definition of actual malice. I hope Trump sues Buzzfeed for libel and destroys these clowns.
The definition of actual malice is willingness to do harm. Nothing in your quote demonstrates willingness to harm the topic of conversation.
He just might. It will be interesting, because international civil rights organizations raise hell when a head of state sues media outlets.
If there are any liberals out there that value the truth, however inconvenient it may be, let me know. I feel like my party has collectively lost their goddamn minds, yet I’m not simply going to flip my entire philosophy as a result (plenty of nutjobs on the other side anyway).
+1 Time for a new party.
The cynicism that this invokes suggests that this could be a peace offering from CIA to Trump. e.g. the inevitable outcome of false info here is definitively confirmation of Trump’s argument that MSM is corrupt and many will believe it. It’s too clever.
At press conference today, Trump himself concurred with intelligence reports that “Putin did it”
nyet.
they lied to him
he lies back to them
It’s impossible to know now if he actually believes it, or has been threatened into submission.
Agreed. John McCain’s name springs instantly to mind.
I am glad to see you are against fake news. I really think you are being extremely unfair to president elect Trump though. Most every bad thing you have to say about him here comes from fake news in the first place. IMO..
we are naive dreamers if we believe defeating the globalist cabal’s candidate for potusa of america put an end to the cabal’s objectives and designs for the world.
while they maybe frothing at the mouth at being thwarted in having control of the u.s. presidency, that will not stop them from using every means available to keep the usa divide and its citizens fighting among themselves.
the cabal understands and believes the words of God that “a house divided cannot stand”.
It is funny.
As you saw, Gleen, in Brazil, even before taking charge, Dilma was already accused of millions of things by opposition and media…
The result was a horrible zeitgeist that culminated in her Impeachment, whithout any credibility.
It seems the same thing is happening in US.
We all know that TRUMP is a psycho, but this tatic used by ‘democracts” and “media” can crush american´s democracy, as it did in Brazil.
“All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible.”
Well Glenn is trying to be cute here. I am asking what allegation? Of what? Brainwashing of millions to vote for Trump? It is an absurd and he knows that Americans did not need Putin to know how wrong Hillary candidacy was for America and hence Trump won by default or “none of the above” vote.
But here is a lesson for all of us to learn.
The basic goal of those partisan provocateurs or I would say “anti-American” provocateurs is that we accept evidence-free McCarthyite slanderous construct of “enemy of America”. Only because they say so. Once we accept their lies and their arbitrary determination of who are American enemies we give them credibility and accusatory power, power to accuse anyone of anything since in our own mind anyone behavior or opinions could be possibly consistent with what our enemy would have done or thought, releasing us from a rigor of rational analysis and necessity of evidence based conclusion that is a foundation of any moral judgment.
That’s the real danger of this new CIA run McCarthyism to American way of life, capable of tearing fabric of our society down and is a direct threat to the social order as well as to world order and world peace, which is by itself an highest international crime.
But Glen is right in one important point namely that despite of the fact that CIA/Dems attacks on president-elect Trump trying to destroy his credibility are real, in fact it can only result in him gaining credibility as being anti-establishment which is in conflict with verified facts of his past and present and his cabinet appointments.
The true question is who wants to make Trump look like more credible as peoples president in eyes of 50% of populations (beyond hopeless Dems phony AstroTurf hysteria) who did not support him and are skeptical of his utterances for change and anti-establishment pasture.
Whom does this phony paid dossier rejected as a crap by news outlets serves and what it means?
Or why we are even talking about it ? Is this all a propaganda ploy for Trump or something else?
It is possible that the dossier surfacing now just tells us that the so-called intelligence community leadership went completely rogue and has become a clear and present danger to the American Republic and President of the USA in particular as Glenn posits by referring to Eisenhower speech warnings.
It it was true, and if Trump is for real anti-establishment policies, I would expect from Trump to demand massive audit and consequently defunding of those agencies, especially CIA and massive arrest of their directors and executives as a necessary measure to maintain US constitutional order, including invoking a “rebellion” prerogatives and locally martial law as well as use to full extend Obama signed NDAA declaring all those de-facto slow-coup leaders enemy combatants and render them to the military discretion such as putting them in Guantanamo. The chances for this is zero. Although I may be wrong.
It looks like the CIA led coup relying on instigating civil unrest and violence disrupting Trump inauguration and other provocations and false flag ops CIA specializes in, and using MSM media monopoly loaded with CIA assets pretending to be reporters and owners, fuels a new reincarnation Red-Biting from McCarthy communist witch-hunt hysteria this time directed to highest elected US official i.e. POTUS and not just civil servants and Hollywood.
Or this is just a ploy, a prelude to open dictatorship in the US as Chris Hedges posited recently.
One way or another we must not allow ourselves to be divided by phony and dead partisan divisions that are really none or anything else but unite against this entire abhorrent US regime and deep state or no real change will ever be possible.
A typo in Glenn’s name so I re-post a paragraph since cannot edit it.
But Glenn is right in one important point namely that despite of the fact that CIA/Dems attacks on president-elect Trump trying to destroy his credibility are real, in fact it can only result in him gaining credibility as being anti-establishment which is in conflict with verified facts of his past and present and his cabinet appointments.
This is an attempted Putsch or Coup d’état by both the Deep State and Trump’s opponents in an alliance of opportunity.
Now we know why Trump made the comment about Nazi Germany at his press conference.
as near as i can tell, the best purpose all of the lies about trump provides is the outing of those people in our government and the mainstream media who are serving as stooges for the enemies of the usa, be those enemies the saudis, the chinese, the globalist/one world government juntal/cabal or totalitarian communists.
it seems that, essentially, any one involved in spreading these lies, yes i am pointing my finger at you senator mccain, have confirmed that they serve people other than the citizens of the usa.
I have a feeling McCain is on Soros payroll. Everything in his behavior points to that
What a disgusting traitor.
I just watched the Trump news conference. Trump totally wiped the floor with the press. “No you don’t get another question, be quiet, you are fake news!!!”…to the sound of cheers and clapping.
Let me add my golf claps for the press. Great way to hold Trump accountable, pitch him a question from a dodgy ex MI6 dossier about “golden showers”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUyAk0bYps0&feature=youtu.be
(more golf claps) Well done fourth estate. You’ve really earned back the people’s respect.
Suppression of press questions is a sign of a man with awesome freedom loving capabilities.
Trump is Orwellian. Freedom is slavery, lies are truth.
Laughable. What, if one crooked organization is denied a question, there aren’t hundreds of other media outlets “playing” at news?
CNN is not all that impressive but to call them crooked is absurd.
Speaking of Big Brother and suppression of the press, Obama’s administration spied on AP reporters and prosecuted more whistle blowers than all administrations combined. Not to engage in whataboutery but I bring this up to point out that you’re a hypocrite and the real Orwellian here; for partisan reasons, you’ve been caught lying numerous times on this board.
Excuse me, but you have not identified even a single “lie” of mine and I consider it defamatory abuse to suggest otherwise absent evidence. Furthermore, I have rarely if ever mentioned partisanship much less to support my argument. You should back up what you claim or shame yourself into silence, troll.
Presidential news conferences rarely result in more than a few reports’ questions being answered, and most of those from senior news organizations who sit toward the front. This is normal.
Who Obama calls on is plainly established in advance. Nobody tries to repeatedly out-shout another reporter called on. Nobody demands to be heard instead.
The difference now is that cheeky, rude people who insist on shouting out their questions as a point of privilege have been quickly reminded they have none. You may have noticed Jorge wasn’t present today, no doubt because he discovered this the hard way. Some others are apparently slow learners.
It appears CNN is now eager to have their turn in the barrel. The next time you see similar punk behavior by “White House Correspondents” in an Obama press conference, be sure to post here with a link.
When the President of the United States directly targets a news organization as libelous or defamatory, they should have the proper respect to respond.
Trump has no respect for dissent and nor do his deluded cult followers.
Trumps attitude towards the news organization is worrisome, but at least his reasons for doing so and as well as the act itself are transparent, unlike previous and current administrations. All you have ever witnessed under Obama is a carefully curated syncophantic press pool. They sure were asking Hillary the tough questions, right?
I met Anastasia in Prague and she told me that she thought the dossier was bullshit, too. :) (Author’s Note: I have in no way verified either the existence of Anastasia nor have I ever really been to Prague.) Good job, Greenwald! And get a pet pig! They’re delightful!
@Wesley Dodds – your statement is 100% on point and accurate.
Very concerned about boldness and aggressiveness of Intelligence Community open and bald-faced threats against Donald Trump. I think the IC has failed to grasp how fragile their power truly is in working for 300,000,000 Americans. God forbid anything happens at this point. Many, many millions will hold Langley directly responsible. Very very dangerous actions by too powerful rogues in IC.
Closest thing to a CIA coup I’ve seen.
The Atlantic has another good article on this one:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/why-did-buzzfeed-publish-the-trump-dossier/512771/
Equally interesting is an article on Buzzfeed’s business model from April 2016:
Thus Buzzfeed seems to specialize in “embedded corporate advertising”, i.e. slipping the advertising into the journalism, which also works as a means of distributing government propaganda.
I agree with this likely scenario – which would give Trump himself incentives to leak the “report” himself, no?
A form of inoculation, no?
CNN and CIA are suicidal. This whole story will haunt them at least for the next 8 years. I notice even European press is not following the spin anymore. Thank you Glenn for your insights.
the deep staters in the US are ducking and dodging things like israeli mossad agents scheming for a takedown operation of the british govt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMaH-yEVQRI
I saw George Galloway’s comments about IC literal threats to Donald Trump, and dismissed them then as over the top conspiracy. Today, I am not sure. That is incredibly bad, bad, bad news for Langley. God forbid that Galloway is right. IC is on the crux of inciting an actual Civil War. Incredible. I would never believe something so outrageous and ridiculous, if I was not seeing this for myself. Stranger than fiction.
The creepiest thing is that now the story is that they didn’t actually give Trump any paper on the ‘dossier’- that he was just verbally briefed on it for ‘background’ or some similar BS. When has the intelligence apparatus ever suddenly brought up something like this (which had evidently been floating around for months), which they admit they have no concrete information to back it up? While briefing someone who they know doesn’t trust them? Sounds to me like a blatant attempt to threaten or blackmail (oh, the irony!) Der Trump into toeing the ‘Company’ line. WTF?!
Greenwald says that Trump is highly disliked by many people before he starts to write about the latest slander of Trump by US media, the CIA, factions, deepstate, whatever.
Greenwald does this because Trump, like Carthage, must be destroyed. Oldest trick in the book.
Greenwald always (100%, check for yourself) uses this trick in articles that are supposed to be ‘critical’ to Trump’s opponents.
For example, as I recall from his column from 11 October 2016, Greenwald first said that
“DONALD TRUMP, FOR reasons I’ve repeatedly pointed out, is an extremist, despicable, and dangerous candidate, and his almost-certain humiliating defeat is less than a month away.”
And only after this opening, he started to write about the Democrats and the fearmongering about the Russians that the Democrats used as a means to keep American voters away from choosing Trump.
I find this quite annoying oratory from Greenwald and would prefer if he could stick to the facts and withold his impression that Trump, like Carthage, must be destroyed.
Intercept readers are old enough to make their own conclusions and don’t need journalists who tell them what to think and do as if they are send to kindergarten or Sunday school when they read the Intercept.
cool im switching to deepstate no space starting NOW
It’s not a “trick”. Loads of people hate Trump, don’t like Hillary and are critical of some of the criticisms levelled at either.
The CIA is but one tiny peak of the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) iceberg that has been undermining our democratic institutions and its associated means of getting accurate information. I’m glad that a journalist of Glenn’s stature recognizes it at last. We rarely see it being seriously tackled in the anointed media and that by itself is part of the bigger problem we need to address.
From what I have gathered, mind control and social engineering operations have been going on for a very long time not only on foreign targets but also and prominently here at home on large segments of the population—at times for pure sake of experimentation. And yet, our “free press” wouldn’t dare to consider and take them into account these tampering of our societies even with a 100-foot pole.
Instead, we cling to naive notions that only outdated techniques such as those portrayed in the classic movie “The Manchurian Candidate” could perhaps being applied by a few rogue agents on some unlucky individuals. We also dearly believe that we only imported a few rocket scientist Nazis after WWII and they all became patriot Americans. Something tells me that this fairy tale has a dirty end and now we’ve started seing it being waggled in front of our glary eyes clearly at last.
Trump could use rememberbuilding7.org and ae911truth.org to expose the I.C.
Oh, fuck, Troofers are everywhere.
Truth Shall Set Us Free
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy
ecommcon
definitely a DEEP STATE operation
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aiqb_HnHwpU/WHVSW-cCG4I/AAAAAAABM40/cyuffgFA7iUZbU9VwcwldueNKRFgTTj_ACLcB/s1600/31824414200_ba9bc86514_b.jpg
How to Stop Worrying and etc.
The document has many absurd easily-falsifiable claims, including: Jill Stein visited Moscow herself this summer to receive payments from the Kremlin; Lyndon Larouche did the same; Donald Trump spied on Russian oligarchs for the Kremlin for more than eight years; and Donald Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen had a secret meeting with Russian agents in Prague. Anyone who says this document has “unverified claims” is being dishonest. The only intellectually honest way to describe this document is as a mixture of absurd demonstrably false claims and absurd unfalsifiable claims. If this is what the intelligence community offers up as “intelligence”, the first thing we need to do is fire them all and get our taxpayer money back.
Quote of the week: “Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.” John McCain. Seriously, John, you think Jill Stein visited Moscow to receive payments from the Kremlin and that Donald Trump has been spying on Russian oligarchs in the USA for the past eight years???
“It took kind of a long time, because I had to walk up and down Pennsylvania Avenue, asking people, ‘Are you the Director of the FBI, or do you know where he is?’
“After a few days of this, someone told me to check in this big, kind of gray-brown building. That was the right place, but it still took a bit longer to find. Those letters over the door could be bigger, you know.”
Sometimes a golden shower is just a golden shower Glenn.
The CIA always said that they control the Media. The Intel agencies are trying to foment a “soft coup” against Trump. They fabricate Fake News and feed it to their propaganda arms like CNN.
The heads of these intel agencies are committing treason!
I hope Trump cleans house and puts the bosses in cages at GITMO.
You need to stay far away from big words like treason when you are making unsubstantiated allegations.
You need to stay away from accusing anyone else of making unsubstantiated accusations.
Tell that to Markos Moulitsas of The Daily Kos.
Markos Moulitsas ? @markos
“With CNN confirming that intelligence chiefs consider this report credible, it’s about time to start using the word “treason”…”
He should also be shamed as a loudmouth idiot who doesn’t understand the weight of the terms he uses.
Worked well in Brazil and Argentina, underway in Venezuela. Why not give it a try in the good ole USA least all the work of destabilizing the world go to waste!
“What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
Christopher Hitchens
(Above quote often dubbed “Hitchens’ Razor”)
“That which cannot be asserted with evidence can instead be asserted as being the work of the ‘deep state.'”
Greenwald’s Razor
Feeble attempt there, Richie. Doesn’t scan and lacks a certain terse elegance–in other words, clumsy and difficult to parse.
“The preceding is valid when the evidence-free assertion is made, promulgated and supported by entities of the Deep State.”
~Salzmann’s Explication of Greenwald’s Razor for the Slow or Stubborn.
Bravo!
Just what is Donald Trump doing to threaten the Deep State? He’s giving prominent positions in his administration to Goldman Sachs and Exxon executives. How does that threaten the power structure in America?
I’m asking this sincerely, not as a challenge. Can anyone refer me to a responsible source for an account of the Deep State and its nature and structure? These are big charges Glenn is making. He’ll be held to the same standards of evidence that he wants others to follow.
Wikipedia can be a good place to start, especially following the footnotes.
Thank you, Mona. Of course, I could have thought to start with Wikipedia and some of those sources seem worth pursuing. The notion of a “deep state” is certainly credible and would explain some elements of US foreign policy. Still, even in that brief article one author includes Big Oil as a member of the “deep state.” Trump has nominated the CEO of Exxon as Secretary of State. I saw the comment below about how Trump essentially isn’t their man and so poses a threat. I can see that, but it’s still hard to see Trump as a genuine threat to entrenched interests. I’m skeptical, but will keep an open mind.
DEEP STATE
the organisational network that is permanently affixed to the US gov which remains in place to steer the presidents and other elected persons and appointed persons who simply come and go but who, while in office, are subject to the will of the those who determine decisions of direction.
that werk fer ya?
this might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGW033-82c
No, definitions including “permanently affixed” and “place to steer” and “those who determine decisions of direction” absolutely do not work or werk [sic] fer ma [sic].
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy
it gets better…………………………
One thing is that Trump is not consistent, not ideological. He hasn’t seemed to recognize the military-industrial complex and the power of the war profiteers. You will have noticed that Clinton was ratcheting up the anti-Russia hysteria and saying she wanted to have a no-fly zone in Syria. This would have made tensions skyrocket and could very well lead to WW3. At the same time Trump was talking about having good relations with Russia. Note that more arms were sold under Clinton/Obama than under any admin in history. The money we taxpayers give to Israel is for them to buy arms from us. As Trump has not jumped straight onto the war bandwagon, he scares a lot of people who profit from endless war and phenomena like Red Scares.
i dont know if this is a deep state operation but it is certainly corrupt
‘Israel would be embarrassed if it were known it’s selling arms to …
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.669852 – Cached – Similar
Aug 7, 2015 … We know Israel is selling arms to Azerbaijan, South Sudan and Rwanda. … The U.S. torpedoed arms deals between Israel and Nigeria in 2014,
perhaps israel is fronting for US or just ripping US off.
Yes, why doesn’t anyone ever ‘follow the money’? Even a moderate cut in the warfare state’s fat stipend would cost many wealthy and powerful people and institutions a fat chunk of money. Note that the security apparatus is also rolling in dough these days, and would have similar motivation to maintain their (always growing) share. This is why the mindless, unwinnable drug war shambles ever on, too many would lose too much money if it ended… It can be quite depressing when you think about it, which is why Bernie created so much excitement and genuine hope- someone who might actually have the character and guts to go into the temple and start kicking the moneylenders in the nuts….
it’s complicated –
any dollar reduction in mil budgets is of course a minor amount – comparatively HOW EVAH…… there is another value tied to those budgets. The mil contractors – the big money – are corporations with stocks trade on the big board – and small cuts there are a REVERESE OF DIRECTION OF GROWTH PROJECTION which will have the effect of popping the proverbial balloon of already inflated (aka fake) valuations and that is a H-U-G-E number.
Yes, the warfare business is not only feeding the 1%’ers, a fair number of common Americans are directly (through jobs building arms, etc.) or indirectly (through the market, as you describe) benefiting. How to disentangle the mess is a difficult problem, similar to going to a (needed) single-payer health system and having to deal with all the people who work for the health insurance industry (as well as all those with health insurance stocks in their 401k’s). Many deals with the devil- it will take guts and much thought to unwrap the mess without major dislocation and economic pain.
hrc was so weirded out by deep state that she set up her own server
i’ll co-sign that
A good start is to read Mike Lofgren’s essay on the Deep State found on the website of Bill Moyers. Lofgren argues Deep State actors include plutocrats, generals, and spooks. Nothing says all have to be on the same page.
The Deep State is generally not referred to using its true name. This not because people fear its wrath, but rather because the Deep State has protected itself by ensuring that its real name, ‘bureaucracy’, is perceived as a synonym for inefficiency, thus making it appear non-threatening. But bureaucrats rule the world by inventively misinterpreting the orders they receive from their nominal leaders. Once they have set their agenda, it is literally impossible to change it. Their cumulative mass is so large that when set in motion, sheer inertia makes it an irresistible force. The President has the power to fire a thousand bureaucrats, but a million more will step forward to take their place.
Challenging the Deep State, as Mr. Trump appears to be doing, is a recipe for a short and unsuccessful political career.
Syria. He’s been opposed to regime change there while the CIA is running a covert war.
Against the Russians I would add as that it the key factor in all of this.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
You may also wish to read Mike Lofgren’s book “The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow Government” which goes into more detail
Mr. Trump, in his former life as a private business CEO, is used to being in charge. Having had little direct experience of politics, he is unaware that the President doesn’t run things. Hopefully, he will be disabused of this misconception quickly but the Deep State is afraid that he may, at this stage in his career, be un-trainable. Down the road, this could lead to internal conflicts in government. So the Deep State is acting pro-actively to correct this situation – as it should.
http://www.peterdalescott.net
I’m not sure the degree to which one labels Bill Moyers (and the article’s author, Mike Lofgren) as “responsible” or not, but they endeavoured to describe the “Deep State” here:
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
February 21, 2014
by Mike Lofgren
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
The deep state is nothing at all. That is why it is a useful tool for fools and their followers: because it is nothing it cannot be questioned; because it cannot be questioned it can be assigned anything. It is boundless and infinite. This is the first contradiction with the name: state is finite, with clear borders. If, as the claim goes, it is “the military–industrial complex, intelligence community, and Wall Street,”, it is neither deep, nor clandestine. That is the second contradiction. Considering the unending constant conflicts within these very public bodies, it is by no definition of the word, a state, which implies centralization and top down control.
It is a useful buzzword for demagogues of all political persuasions, and considering the context of the article, of cynical value as well here.
And you are correct: by any definition of the word, Trump and his cabinet are the closest to a representative of these economic interests ever to control the US executive branch.
nyet.
deep state
DEEP as in deep in the mud so far down hard to get to.
STATE as in the 51st state of a small dictatorial population and about 1 square mile in size.
“The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest.”
Could you please specify what these dangers are, in your humble opinion?
The MSM knows that they can say anything and it doesn’t matter if its total unsubstantiated nonsense. The indoctrinated and educational system dumbed down masses will believe anything if it is on TV. TV has become their total truth . The demi god news anchors are all wise and knowing and will always show them the correct (politically) way.
It’s astounding and perhaps the clearest reminder that what goes around eventually comes around. A Deep State agency devoted to finding out the truth for the powerful while disseminating lies for them, which has been used for covert regime change elsewhere, has now, just as the Church committee warned, been turned inwards against American democracy as well, using at least some of the same methods. Which ones won’t it stoop to employ? We know that when propaganda failed elsewhere, assassination, now legalized again, was employed. Now that propaganda against the American people was legalized last year for the first time, what other Deep State diktats also have secret legal opinions sitting in administration drawers? The President early promised a smooth transition, but like so many of his other promises, he has done the opposite in fact.
In what way are the allegations targeted against the American people?
“Now that propaganda against the American people was legalized last year for the first time”
Not sure what on earth you are talking about here
Probably this:
Or perhaps it is a reference to the more recent:
The measures approved in the update of the NDAA do not in any way authorize intelligence agencies to use propaganda against the American people, politically or otherwise.
It’s called the Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act. It was in the NDAA bill Obama signed late December. I believe it allows intelligence agencies to counter “foreign” propaganda by pushing their own.
ISIS propaganda, mainly
Let me know when you have any evidence to the contrary. I’ll be waiting allllllll day.
a tweet unlikely to be topped for precise analysis:
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January 10 2017
Max Read @max_read :
deep state in movies: CIA assassin garrotes the president
deep state IRL: old memo about presidential piss party winds up on buzzfeed
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Saw that. Both funny and true.
ICA Intelligence Community Assessment:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html?_r=0
donald and vlad have a man-crush
Impact of Alleged Russian Cyber Attacks by Major William C. Ashmore, U.S. Army, 48 pages. 21-05-2009
SUBJECT TERMS
Cyber Security, Cyber Warfare, Estonia, Georgia, Russian Federation Cyber Strategy, Convention on Cybercrime, NATO Center of Excellance (sic) for Cyber Defense
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB424/docs/Cyber-027.pdf
“There is little concrete proof of involvement of the Russian Federation government in any cyber attacks. The circumstantial evidence does lead to the perception that the Russian government was behind or supported recent cyber attacks. When countries or organizations stand in opposition to Russia they are likely to receive a cyber attack in order to influence their position.”
Let’s see. According to Glenn Greenwald (and others), the accusations of conspiracy against Trump and Putin are actually part of a larger conspiracy led by the Deep State aka “The Democrats.” “The Democrats,” who smear their opponents as stooges of the Kremlin are actually stooges of the Deep State. The evidence of the existence of the Deep State is Eisenhower’s farewell address. The charges against Trump and Putin are invalid because they lack evidence, but it’s permissible to make counter-charges without evidence.
The skeptics give plenty of reason to be skeptical of their own claims. I’m not saying there isn’t anything to this, I know what the US and the mainstream media did in Indonesia in the 1960’s, but they haven’t made a convincing case. On the contrary, GG repeatedly does just what he accuses his opponents of doing.
Nice to hear somebody gets it
Not.
Robert F.: Arguing against a baseless conclusion = arguing for your own baseless conclusion.
How retarded!
This forum needs pre-moderation for assessment of reading comprehension.
So true. Many Democrats are of, but not remotely all of, the Deep State. And, reading is fundamental.
…because the only evidence of accurate comprehension is to agree with Doug.
The Democrats are cheering for the Deep State. Those are observations, not accusations of criminality.
The Deep State simply refers to U.S. intelligence, aka, the NSA, which is massive we know because of the black hole of money that goes in and the size of the city they have cordoned off. But we know very little else about it. At the time Eisenhower made the statement he knew the NSA existed. The American public didn’t know until at least 20 years later.
Drudge headline: “Demented McCain turns dirty” – it’s hilarious.
To put it in a different perspective: Am I talking about Egypt or the USA?
1) Rather suddenly and unexpectedly, it becomes clear that important segments of the population have lost all patience with a sclerotic power elite that has held power for decades.
2) A kind of rebellion takes place, kindling hope among educated, progressive, urban populations and young people.
3) But against all odds, an outsider politician who represents values inimical to those who initiated the rebellion manages to take advantage of the moment of flux and is elected president, thanks mainly to rural, under-educated voters (who had their own, long-ignored grievances).
4) Horrified, the young people and educated urbanites who thought they were controlling the process wring their hands.
5) But the new president is openly hostile to the “Deep State” – the intelligence services and important segments of the military – whose members have deep ties to the previous regime.
6) Deep State forces therefore begin deliberately undermining the new president, including via the public circulation of supposedly internal state intelligence reports concerning misdeeds on his part that could potentially endanger national security (and which depict him as immoral and corrupt as well).
7) Despite the fact that these reports come with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, they are deemed highly plausible by the new president’s enemies among the national elites, the press, etc., as well as among many segments of the educated public, who are so delighted at the possibility of his being removed from power that they overlook what they’re acquiescing to and even cheering on, namely, an attempted take-down of a democratically elected president by the security services – without any actual evidence. Indeed, they accept this and hope for it IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY.
We are indeed better off dealing with Trump via traditional political means: resistance, organization, and the judicial system. Let us indeed steer clear of unsourced allegations coming from the rotten bowels of the CIA. Let’s remember what happened in Egypt after the security services orchestrated Morsi’s downfall, after the crowds stopped cheering.
In case there’s anyone here who hasn’t heard yet, 4Chan is claiming responsibility for the ‘Golden Showers’ story, which they claim to have done as a disinformation campaign to discredit the MSM: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/archived-posts-prove-4chan-trolled-cia-trump-golden-shower-story-entire-russian-hack
Thanks. I read that and then came across this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/10/4chan-claims-they-invented-the-trump-golden-showers-story.html
The sources don’t match up well, nor does the 4chan archive explicitly mention “golden showers” (did I really just type that…)
* 4Chan is saying they fed information on sex tapes to Rick Wilson, who is some Trump opponent.
* This questionable dossier claims that that the Golden Showers incident originated from “Source D, a close associate of Trump who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow…” (page 2/35). Source D. The report then claims that “Source E, an ethnic Russian close association of [Trump]…” confirmed the story, as did “Source F, a female staffer at the hotel.”
I find the dossier’s explanation ridiculously hard to believe. Let’s be generous and conclude that these sources agree that prostitutes went to Trump’s room and got nasty. But who specifically made the claim that this “hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms…”? Two close associates and a female staffer somehow knew the room was bugged!? The dossier doesn’t explain this at all. And if it was true, kudos to the Russians for their foresight, since this supposedly happened in 2013.
Buzzfeed messed up badly by releasing this document.
Read carefully, you like them, are seen what you want to see. The daily beast argument against 4chan is garbage. They are actually confirming 4chan story while trying to prove it fake.
Wilson says that he had the info much earlier and daily beast confirms that been adding that it was offered to news outlets and IT MAKES THE CONECTION OF THE MOTHER JONES ARTICLE AND THE 4CHAN POST THE DAY AFTER. This article is the one been commented in the 4chan post when the user talks about “So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it.”
The quotes of the daily beast article are:
…“Reached by phone earlier in the evening, Wilson told The Daily Beast that the Russian allegations were “making the rounds before anyone talked about it publicly.” He said that they were being discussed as early as a year and a half ago.”…
…“The intelligence-community documents had reportedly been shopped to several news outlets in the months leading up to the election, and were alluded to in a Mother Jones article the day before the 4chan post.”
4chan starting comment on 1 nov:
“So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it.
They still believe it. Guys, they’re truly fucking desperate – there’s no remaining Trump scandal that’s credible.”
Here’s an angle that is not getting much discussion: If the FSB was bugging that room when Trump stayed there, wouldn’t they have also bugged the room when Obama stayed there?
Nobody has ever lost any money underestimating the intelligence of certain people. Glenn you nailed this edition of fake news perfectly.
HA HA HA! From Adam Schiff, whose was owned by Tucker Carlson on so-called Russian election hacking:
Adam Schiff ?@RepAdamSchiff
CNN is “disgraceful.” Buzzfeed is a “failing pile of garbage.” He invokes Nazi Germany… but isn’t this how book burning begins?
And anyone who can get so pwned by Tucker Carlson, should delete all of their accounts.
I find it endlessly amusing that every time someone admits that there is currently absolutely no provable link between the Russian hacks (which did happen) and the results of the 2016 Presidential election the cry goes out. “We need an independent study to verify this.”
We’ve seen this beaten for 2 months now, and even when obviously partisan intelligence bureau rats from the CIA have openly given up on ever being able to prove a connection, you still have people demanding that money and time be wasted trying to prove the unprovable.
There is a liberal leaning group. “Move On.” and there name is what everyone needs to do in regards to this whole fiasco. I know its fun to beat the partisan unbreathing equine, but no one is helped by continuing this flight of fantasy.
At this point I support the permanent and complete disbanding of the CIA and having a new intelligence group that is under the authority of the US military be created just due to how obvious their partisanship is and the history of how that partisanship has hurt this nation in the 70+ years the group has existed.
But we’ll stumble on because there are people who are served by the openly bad intelligence we’ll never fix the real problem.
Watched the presser and the CNN reporter’s shouting match with Trump. Looks like Trump does piss on prostitutes.
So nice to finally have a president with authoritarian characteristics!
Someone who will drone and kill a sixteen-year-old American citizen without due process because Al-Awlaki was his father. Oh, wait…that was Obama.
Someone who will gleefully cackle about the sadistic murder of a foreign leader with the words: “We came, we saw, he died.” Oh, wait…that was HRC.
Never mind.
You do realize, don’t you, that Obama has prosecuted more whistle blowers than past presidents combined? And surely you realize that the NYT reported in 2013 that Obama’s administration was spying on AP reporters.
What a hypocritical partisan idiot you are.
Pro tip here:
Don’t want to get droned? Don’t go searching for your terrorist father with his terrorist cohort in a foreign country infiltrated by terrorists. It works for every other American, just not Al-Awlaki junior.
So besides showing yourself to be a liar several times on this thread, you’ve now also proven yourself to be a murder-approving totalitarian POS.
Enemy combatants at war with our country are never murdered.
Hobart to the rape victim: “What were you doing in that outfit in that alley?”
It is an insult to rape victims to compare them to enemies at war with the United States.
so you’re ok with whacking 16 year old kids who may have the wrong father. did dad actually commit or plan any terrorist acts? never proved, was it? the kids sure didn’t.
When those 16 year old kids start searching for their terrorist fathers by identifying his terrorist cohort to collaborate with his search? Yeah, I’m OK with “whacking” him. Abdulrahman gets absolutely zero tears from me.
His terrorist father’s guilt is cut and dried if you are honest, plus no country has ever been required to convict someone prior to conducting military operations in a declared war. Is your allegation Anwar Al-Awlaki was NOT a willing affiliate of Al Qaeda? Surely not.
Today is my first, and last time reading you.
You are not serious, interesting or informative. In short, you’ve got nothing. Reply if you like, but for sure, I will not read it. I’m very good at sorting trolls and other effluvia now.
the father’s guilt is not cut and dried. we hadn’t declared war on yemen. he supported al quaida verbally. that isn’t terrorism. you might argue it is treason, and then you would advocate bringing him in for trial, not assassinating him and killing his kid. armchair warriors love the little adrenaline rushes they get from pretending to be jack bauer.
Is it true “melania” is Slovenian for “golden showers”?
I believe ‘melania’ means ‘tanned’? Think of ‘melanin’.
or golden tan LOL
melania = mel + ania = Marx + Engels + Lenin + Ania?
Ania stands for Putin spelled backwards as viewed in a mirror.
presstitutes
….and this is the ultimate crux of the issue:
“When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?”
These are no small players……..now the “special” relationship with Britain has the British Government on board with the mess and is going out of their way to demonize Russian.
If powerful players are willing to demolish the credibility of the “free” media to end Trump, then something much more serious is going on under the surface – and it is not likely to be good for Trump or the rest of the western world.
As soon as an artefact acquires a French name, one automatically assumes it has been touched by evil. For the French language – as everyone must surely know – is the language of evil!
A file or folder: very ordinary. But a dossier: you’re in trouble!
And its just as dodgy as its infamous Iraq relation…
wow, extremely disappointed in GG. This has to be the most irresponsible and self serving article he has ever written. I used to appreciate his contribution to journalism but his ego is serving him well. Why was he silent when HRC was being bombarded with witch hunts, some of which appeared in these pages? Bias much?
Witch hunts? The MSM never even bothered to investigate her, reporting on her myriad scandals only when forced to by WikiLeaks. And Hillary, for the record, never even denied the contents of the Goldman Sachs transcripts.
Far passed swamp draining time.
I think it’s just as well that BuzzFeed published the document so we can all see it. It’s a very amateur job of fabrication. At times it almost seems like the author is letting us on to the joke. If the document wasn’t made public, there would be more “leaks” from the CIA telling us what it said.
I agree. The document is absurd. As soon as I read it I knew that any person who referenced it in a remotely positive way, even to say that the “claims were unverified” was a tool.
That award moment when U have to defend Trump because it’s the right thing to do. What a world we’re living.
I don’t think Glenn is defending Trump. He’s defending sanity.
@Bill Owen
Good God man!!! we don’t hear from you for months…and now this??? You are going to burn out your WiFi connection!!!!
This is tribalism on steroids. Also accounts for how murderous police behave.
Thanks! I missed you guys too.
Looking forward to a new and revamped CS, with, let us pray, troll filters.
Happy New Year!
Nasty folks who should be sued into non-existence gawker style
You are beast Glenn.
A beast at manipulating the fickle paranoid emotions of his readers
Care to elaborate? Or have you never heard of 4chan?
Sorry about your luck there, lefty. Your last oligarch is about to leave the building. Now, if we can keep him from starting a war with Russia that’s just icing. Toodles!
Says the person insisting, without reason or evidence (and ignoring all reason and evidence to the contrary), that Greenwald is a pro-Trump crusader. You’re hysterical, Hobart.
He is echoing Trump arguments almost verbatim. Get over it. He won. Nothing to see here. Absolutely outrageous to even insinuate such a thing about Trump or anyone connected to Trump. Illegitimate dissent. It is all right there for everyone to see in perpetuity.
look, people can read his comments for themselves, and see how dishonest you are. but keep flailing if that helps you.
Glenn Greenwald praised Breitbart for its “editorial independence”.
In what possible way do you believe this man speaks for you?
he speaks for me when he demands evidence for this latest bullshit from the ic. that’s one way. i don’t read breitbart, if breitbart is demanding evidence too well good. if trump suddenly admits climate change is real and caused by humans, then he would be right too.
It’s past the point where “Hobart” can justifiably be dismissed as a troll.
yeah
Except of course the following: CNN Falsehoods and Red Smears by the Deep State constituents.
“Deep State” is not a thing you could objectively define, not you or Glenn Greenwald. They are weak scare words, all sound and fury signifying nothing.
Deep State Definition
It was defined by Eisenhower. It’s the Industrial Military Complex. You’re obvious submissive behavior towards authority is quite well displayed here for all to see.
You’re damaged goods.
I’m sure you can source the etymological history of the term “Deep State” as sourced directly from President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s verbiage.
Your propensity for ad hominem instead of expository definition as requested is duly noted.
it smells like the DEEP STATE MURDERED SETH RICH – actually they contracted it out to look like a robbery and the lacky subcontractors blew it.
background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGW033-82c
“smells like” followed by a freaking YouTube link does not add credibility to your source term “Deep State”. It sounds like Deep State means whatever you FEEL LIKE it means.
It’s an updated term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States
And it’s not ad-hominem if it pertains to credibility which you completely lack.
Not overwhelming for your position to present a thinly sourced Wikipedia page as support for your definition, particularly when all the sources cited within disagree on the precise definition of the term, just a vague feeling they have about the state of things.
It’s called common knowledge. I’m sorry you don’t possess it or understand or recognize it when you see it.
Perhaps you could see past the first few words on that Wiki page to actually look at all the citations by authors, articles and academics.
But hey, if you want everyone to think you’ve had a lobotomy, that’s perfectly fine with me. I suppose you think Mathematics is sorcery too.
First Law of Holes
Greenwald literally mentions a “citizen uprising”, among other things, as potential legitimate opposition to Trump in this article. Yet you turn that around to say Greenwald means “Get over it. He won.” You’re a fraud.
A “citizen uprising” he will most certainly not be a part of, since he never has been
Quoting Glenn Greenwald himself:
“All of those policy disputes were debated out in the open; the public heard them; and Trump won.”
Good luck spinning that to mean anything other than get over it, you lost, shut up.
Alright, last try.
Your first sentence just trails off — are you trying to say Greenwald is not a U.S. citizen? That would be incorrect. You’re batting zero today.
You quote Glenn saying three validated facts, then say “Try to spin that to NOT say…” three completely different things that are not said and that are not validated facts. Soooo, we can just “unspin” back to what Greenwald actually said and away from you have telepathically determined Greenwald thinks.
2+2=4
Fresh water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius.
The NY Giants are out of the playoffs.
Hobart: “Tell me how that doesn’t mean Trump pissed all over my mother’s face and Greenwald is FINE WITH IT!”
Folks, it’s time to start ignoring Hobart. S/he is either almost-impossibly dense and confused or is a lone holdover from Revise the Record, hiding in the forest on Clinton Island and seeing Trump supporters behind every tree.
Stop feeding her/him.
“Folks, it is time to ignore any and all dissenting opinion.”
It’s always time to ignore dissenting or concurring opinion when it is based on fantasy rather than evidence and laced with profound ignorance and obvious misreadings of straightforward material written in plain English.
All of which you are obviously an infallible and totally impartial judge
I don’t think so, Tim
Agreed. It’s a troll — one with lots of time and stoopid. Ima gonna just start “replying” to it, if at all, by linking to your comment.
Glenn, great article, you nailed it! I did not vote for Trump (Gary actually) as a former Bernie supporter but also Left-Leaning Libertarian now, I agreee… Trump is drawing the swamp and has the balls to call out BS. Journalists need to get back to facts and truth and the MSM is now worthless IMHO.
As long time political independents concerned about national and international affairs, we regularly read the Intercept because it is one of the few remaining sources of information that are consistently intellectually honest.
We will be recommending this article to our friends so they can see what real journalism looks like.
“There exists in our nation today a powerful and dangerous secret cult — the cult of intelligence. Its holy men are the clandestine professionals of the Central Intelligence Agency. Its patrons and protectors are the highest officials of the federal government. Its membership, extending far beyond governmental circles, reaches into the power centers of industry, commerce, finance, and labor. Its friends are many in the areas of important public influence — the academic world and the communications media. The cult of intelligence is a secret fraternity of the American political aristocracy. The purpose of the cult is to further the foreign policies of the U.S. government by covert and usually illegal means, while at the same time containing the spread of its avowed enemy, communism. Traditionally, the cult’s hope has been to foster a world order in which America would reign supreme, the unchallenged international leader. Today, however, that dream stands tarnished by time and frequent failures. Thus, the cult’s objectives are now less grandiose, but no less disturbing. It seeks largely to advance America’s self-appointed role as the dominant arbiter of social, economic, and political change in the awakening regions of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. And its worldwide war against communism has to some extent been reduced to a covert struggle to maintain a self-serving stability in the Third World, using whatever clandestine methods are available.”
— The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, by Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and John D. Marks, a former officer of the United States Department of State.
I read it at the time and have been watching the bastards subvert democracy ever since.
Excellent quote, Bill. “Whatever clandestine means are available” is a kind of mild way of putting what this cult has done in the name of neoliberalism.
i was privvy to info on the cia cambodia air america operation thru a friend and wonder if the drugs for dollars has become a backbone of cia life. I did watch the Clinton Chronicles, the CIA nicaragua LA operation testimony, WTC anomalies, etc. It should be obvious to everyone how foreign policy has screwed up everything in America for Americans.
My take on this 2page memo deal is that the CIA is leaning on Trump as a soft threat to get him to heel. What’s yours?
In what way do you believe these recent developments subvert democracy? I was under the impression the truth should never be suppressed in the name of democracy.
You’re so cute in your ineptitude, just precious. You keep fucking that chicken, don’t ever stop.
In his case a frozen chicken, I hope…
Suddenly the words DEEP STATE are going mainstream and scaring a few folks.
eeeeeeenteresting.
Can’t wait to see ROUTINE ZERSETZUNG TORTURE scare the bastards.
as they move to use all the tools in the toolbox … deep state and IC are encountering unknown knowns
they should know better
trump will counter (with help from wolverine) by ignoring facts on the ground and doubling down on the things he loves about the things he loves
trump has far more unknown knowns, and more known unknowns for that matter … which could help going forward
@ggreenwald
While most of your article has validity with regards to the lost jellyfish liberal media, your assertion that “serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest.’ you fail to point any of those out, mostly because, I believe, you really couldn’t logically articulate them in a way to convince anyone they truly exist! You just feel bad because you lost!
Also In your closing paragraph you state:
“There are solutions to Trump. They involve reasoned strategizing and patient focus on issues people actually care about. ”
You Media Liberals Still don’t understand that he got elected because he understands “issues people actually care about”!
Oh dear! You got lost along the way to Vox. (But have clearly been polluting your brain at Breitbart.)
nyet.
He has logically laid out the many dangers to the Trump presidency before and they are obvious:
Freedom of the press
Healthcare
Privatization
Corruption
Climate Change
A free education system
Etc.
If Trump was so popular, he would have A) won the popular vote and B) would have a approval rating above 50%.
Just because Liberals and Democrats are blind to the issues of the working class doesn’t mean Trump is popular or has the correct answers.
You think Trump understands and cares about you.
You are going on “ignore” “seriously deluded” category.
i feel your pain. the global techno-meritocracy is well on its way to a low-carbon, high-fiber, self-driving car, foaming-facewash future
and the rest of us get to live in their giant economic cancer ward
however it remains to be seen if trump is the answer to this pickle
amrican1958,
This is not an article on the numerous and manifest dangers posed by a Trump presidency. This is an article on the MSMs recent profligate embrace of willfully irresponsible slanderous evidence free tabloid style defamation.
Besides Donalds prostitutes were only in town for the Urologists Convention.
CNN’s claim that both PE Trump and POTUS were briefed on the 2 page salacious addendum is FALSE. Obama in an interview last nite with Lester Holt said he had not read the report.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/classified-us-intel-report-russia-gathered-compromising-info-on-trump/
Trump, in his new conference this morning also dismissed the idea that he had been briefed on the report as well. He also cutoff the CNN reporter and would not allow him to ask a question.
These are the kinds of readers The Intercept willfully cultivates, those that will dutifully repeat Kremlin spokesmen as if they deserve equal weight to the reports of American journalistic outlets.
Yessirree! Whatever you be smokin’, share!
He quoted Dmitry Peskov by name in his citation, including the appendage “Kremlin spokesman”, Mona.
Y’all are supposed to be part of the evidence-based community, but when it comes to dark shadowy insinuations against the state, I guess not.
I see you completely glossed over the entire point of the post.
Obama DIDN’T read the addendum (2 pager) and CNN declared he had.
So, you’re Red Smearing is consistent with Democrats and Republican who routinely engage in that tactic.
OBAMA: “As a matter of principle and national security I don’t comment on classified information.”
More interesting to learn how he feels about “classified information” persistently leaked by his own spooks to the few news organizations willing to print it. Oh, as it happens, he’s actually commented about that:
On Nov 2nd, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/02/obama-critical-fbi-leaks-and-innuendo-clinton-investigation/93167728/
WASHINGTON — President Obama criticized what he called FBI “leaks” in his first direct remarks on Director James Comey’s decision to notify Congress of the status of an investigation into Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
“I do think that there is a norm that when there are investigations, we don’t operate on innuendo, we don’t operate on incomplete information, we don’t operate on leaks,” Obama said.
Obama’s remarks were surprising, given the White House’s previous position of neutrality in the politically charged issue. White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Monday that he would neither defend nor criticize the director’s decision.
Obama couched his remarks in generalities, saying he was “setting aside the particulars of this case.”
“I’ve made a very deliberate effort to make sure that I don’t look like I’m meddling in what are supposed to be independent processes for making these assessments,” he said.
The same principle was upheld in the most grossly ironic coincidence possible when Director Comey was asked to confirm there was an ongoing investigation into Russian interference in our election. Suddenly, he is all about protecting the confidentiality of investigations, just not with “privileged” Secretary Clinton.
“I would never comment on investigations — whether we have one or not — in an open forum like this so I can’t answer one way or another.”
All of a sudden he is mum for ongoing investigations but not during a presidential election?
looks like he is getting slapped back into line; i think he was being pushed by
the lower level fbi agents, and then came the push back from obama and the doj and the clinton campaign. comey’s always been an unprincipled weasel.
Once liberals gave Obama a pass on mass deportations, arming Nazi groups in the Ukraine and Jihadists in Syria — I knew liberalism was a grave threat. If hard fascism comes to America it will be through liberalism. Liberals are so violent and hypocritical, and when you combine that with the deep state manipulating them … you will have a nightmare society and possible nuclear war with Russia.
Trump is most definitely the lesser of two evils.
You are conflating fascist enablers with liberal people. Those who supported Obama thought they were liberal but lied to themselves. Self-delusion is a ubiquitous characteristic across the US population’s narrow and extremist political spectrum.
> arming Nazi groups in the Ukraine
Found the paid Russian troll.
Brazil neo-Nazi claim challenges myth of nation’s … – Financial Times
Where was Glenn’s hysterical outrage when “THE FACTION” acted to bring down Hillary Clinton 8 days before the election?
Ooh, “it” has a name, now — in ALL CAPS, no less.
“But whatabout?!?!?!? And whatabout?!?!?! And whatabout?!?!?!?!?”
Yes the name “Deep State” is way more meaningful and cooler and doesn’t need all caps to sound menacing.
” It’s almost primordial … deep cold. Well below the line.”
– Ash
Always happy to educate. Seems lotsa smart and reasonable people use the term and vest it with ascertainable meaning. (I don’t deploy it myself, and haven’s seen Glenn do it before, but have previously said I respect many who do.)
Danny, how come that the FBI has been refused to take a look at the hacked computers at DNC? https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says-democratic-party-wouldnt-let-agents-see-hacked-email-servers/
What was it there that made Clintonites (the promoters of a major war criminal) so nervous? Mrs. Clinton was very vocal in her condemnations of Snowden – don’t you remember her bloody pronouncements against wistle-blowers?
Mrs. Clinton made the highly classified materials available to skilled hackers worldwide. To repeat, for you: Mrs. Cinton made the highly classified materials available to skilled hackers worldwide.
How come that Mrs. Clinton is above the law?
“Mrs. Clinton made the highly classified materials available to skilled hackers worldwide”
She did absolutely nothing of the kind.
she sure did
use a crapola opsys and you are inviting hackery
Grossly assuming the victim should be treated as perpetrator
Honey!
Hill is nobody’s “victim” – ever. Billy B and her ex-royal hinny are master perps extraordinaire. That they both finally got some well earned comeuppance in this past erection cycle is just a case of: what comes around…….
dont play confused
Walking thru a crowded poverty stricken area at night with $100 bills hanging from your pockets while counting a bankroll while singing “we’re in the money” doesnt make hellary a perp, it does make her STUPID.
… you have no clue what ‘faction’ means. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/the-founding-fathers-tried-to-warn-us-about-the-threat-from-a-two-party-system.html
Nobody hates the non-cogently defined terms of “terrorism” and “fake news” more than Glenn.
But screw it, Glenn will trot out the equally ambiguous term “deep state.” I can almost hear the 9/11 truthers creeping out of the woodwork.
Didn’t this trendy term run its course a few years back? Anyways, since people don’t seem to understand the term, I put together a synopsisaccording the more prominent individuals and sites that use this term (Mike Lofgren, Counterpunch, etc):
Here’s a short list of potential “deep state” candidates:
* the Department of Defense,
* the Department of State,
* the Department of Homeland Security,
* the Central Intelligence Agency
* the Justice Department
* Department of the Treasury
* Wall Street and banks
* Silicon valley
* “a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted.”
* “congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees.”
* lobbyists
* industry such as big oil
* contractors
* Washington Think Tanks
* Political donors
* local law enforcement and SWAT teams
* “domestic drones” (I have a $50 quadcopter, so I am part of the Deep State!?)
* “Every facet of a government that is no longer friendly to freedom” (LOL)
* Private prisons
* mainstream media
* overcriminalization
Perhaps it’s easier to say who or what isn’t part of the Deep State.
It’s another wonderfully malleable term that if not specifically defined by Glenn for his own purposes, is utterly meaningless as it could encapsulate anything. Get those clicks TI!!!
Add Nate to the list!!
Dammit!!
it would be easier if you did a name change from nate to fonybaloney
the deep state is the control unit that failed to charge and prosecute israelis for the murder of 34 Americans aboard the USS Liberty. McCain is part of the deep state as his father buried the matter and John refuses to deal with it.
more evidence of a coverup, in your face style
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy
We will soon know all the players in the deep state, by name.
Alright Grandpa…
Oh christ, not the USS Liberty again…
Like I said, out of the woodwork they come…
Paragraph the first:
Ike’s prediction from half a century ago doesn’t really provide evidence that the Deep State(tm) tried to get Hillary elected and is now trying to delegitimize the election.
He’s using a boogie man term, and doing the exact thing he’s accusing intelligence agencies of.
OK not DEEP STATE ! What about CIA , NSA , FBI , HOMELAND SECURITY , NYPD , CPD , etc . A person that quibbles about grammar in face of the fact that the CIA is GLOBAL MURDER INC is just showing their desire to be an Intellectual .
Is it possible Trumplestiltskin is behind the whole thing, to distract those who are actually paying attention to the many signs that his rule will be a massive sea change in public policy that has been established, through the rule of law, over the past 20 years? We have an education secretary who is against public education, an EPA chief who is against the EPA, a secretary of state who, in his former job, was literally paid off by Russia, etc. I mean, if “fake news” is really fake news, then Trump, who never shied away from making incredible (i.e., fake) statements based on innuendo, owes his own credibility to proving the “smear” false. He has already been shown to be a great “taker of bait”. As President, will his demeanor and lack of intellectual and critical facilities endanger us all or even just slowly ruin our lives?
nyet.
Almost anything is possible. The above is exceedingly unlikely.
Fuhggedaboutit.
So what effect of Ukraine’s collaboration with Clinton to smear Trump with supposed ties to Russia?? Is this treason?
No.
Treason is clearly defined in the Constitution, in Article III, Section 3:
The way the word is recklessly tossed about, one might be tempted to think we have a nation of citizens who never took, or who dismally failed high school civics classes.
I’ll take “never took” for ten dollars.
Had they dismally failed, they obviously wouldn’t have been graduated, right?
Oh, wait….
I guess Americans don’t see it this way, but, if you think abut it, you are right now having the closest thing to an open debate about foreign policy that there has been in decades. For decades Russia has been, is and always will be the enemy….”They only understand force!!!”
The debate, taking the form of deciding who are the traitors, who are the stooges, is really about how much longer Senator McCain’s, and the CIA’s death grip on cold war policy is going to remain a bipartisan consensus.
Quick history lesson….Russian King was a total jackass, serfs revolted, Western armies sent expeditionary force to restore monarchy, the west failed, Nazis invaded, Nazis failed, West created NATO, Nato expanded to Russian border….present day.
The people of America have forced Trump upon us, and Trump is forcing a conversation about Russia. If you look past all his dumb tweets and all the red scariness, There’s a deep conversation to be had that is long overdo.
makes sense. Following the money, somebodies feel threatened. CIA big ego losing ground to the NSA? Internal budget wars?
I don’t think Russia’s been regarded as any great enemy by most Americans since the dissolution of the USSR. Obama clearly had a personal animosity toward Putin, but it’s not like he (or GWB) were aggressive toward them. Hell, Obama straight-up mocked Romney in a debate for referring to Russia as a threat.
Absolutely, Americans weren’t born wanting to invade Vietnam or Iraq either…and yet….How does that song go in “South Pacific”
My bet is that the corporate media discusses this story so that we aren’t discussing his cabinet picks, which is literally the most pro-corporate cabinet in American history (basically your last paragraph). Chris Hedges says this is all preliminary to impeachment, which may be true, but again corporate America loves Trump because he and his cabinet represent corporate America’s interests completely (e.g. just read Carl Ichan is going to pick the next head of the SEC), and what is cable news/NYTimes/others but billion dollar institutions.
so who really wants Trump out of their way? Or is this just a matter of breaking a horse?
Maybe instead of just writing OpEds on this, someone should investigate the allegations, properly.
Maybe if people hadn’t been distracted by nontroversial e-mails about risotto recipes and donations to the Democrats, these kind of accusations wouldn’t be leaking out this late in the day.
Yes. Glenn seems way more concerned with defending Trump-Putin than with pursuing some of the many leads in this very real story (journalism).
Cite one example in the piece above the line of Greenwald “defending Trumo-Putin.”
And then tell us what about this story you believe is “very real” and why you believe it.
Agree.
maybe the ic should provide some evidence, properly. maybe if they hadn’t lied us into the iraq war people would be more willing to believe them (they shouldn’t, anyway). maybe the reasons this bullshit is leaked now is because they are pulling out all the stops. maybe jobs in the ic are at stake.
All of the allegations about Trump, Putin, and Russia make me think of nothing so much as this excellent bit of incisive reporting from Ralph of the Simpsons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE63y7ctAwA
Note how this unfalsifiable crap to delegitimize an election and demonize the oppositon is having its desired effect. Even here the partisans are out in force, defending the IC’s and establishment’s propaganda and coup-like attempts.
The IC has scattered its rat food wide and far to lure the partisans. And if you check the blogs and news sites you see how far and thickly the rats have spread and how well they have dined.
lol. everyone has to eat.
ps – wasnt all this from the template of a BLACKLIST episode – where Reddington had to generate fiction from some fake news social media operation to get Liz and company out of a perimeter?
Don’t know, never saw it. But if the IC is stealing ideas from TV shows, it just shows how shallow and unimaginative they are.
The left-wing of the establishment and its acolytes are removing any lingering doubt that they are, literally, no better than the right-wing. If we are treating allegations w/out substantiation as gospel, then I guess a disgruntled DNC staffer leaked the DNC intel:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html
And now nobody has to believe anything that challenges their ideologies!!!!
Hooray.
Right? If only Bernie had won!
Glenn, do you have any evidence that the leak came from the CIA? If not, then we’re just going around in circles here with reporters writing about other reporters who wrote about things that no one has actual evidence for or against.
I appreciate your skepticism and agree that this report is likely to be BS. But you’re just fanning the flames you’re trying to put out by making unverified claims about the source of the leak.
“But with this document in the hands of multiple media outlets, it was only a matter of time — a small amount of time — before someone would step up and publish the whole thing.”
Glenn didn’t say the CIA or anyone else leaked this new memo, for months the author of these allegations has been passing out copies to media outlets like they were “battle of the bands” flyers.
It is actually making me extremely sad to watch Barack Obama pour gasoline on his own legacy in the last weeks of his presidency. There is no way that history is going to view this red scare as anything but desperate, embarrassing, ass-covering flailing on the part of Clinton hacks. It is horrible, and such a classic example of doing exactly the thing you claim to be preventing (tarnishing the presidency).
Hope arises from change. Change does not arise from hope. Mr. Obama lacked the experience to understand the difference. Legacy duly earned.
This has got to be desperation. The report was shopped around for months and no one wanted to touch it. With 10 days to go, they must have decided “what the hell.”
interesting
there is something weird about the deep state (who owned hillary) resistance.
they are afraid of rebuilding America or, afraid DT is going to find stuff out.
watch for resistance to DT choice to head CIA etc.
Things are going to get very interesting between the incoming administration and the corporate media. The limits of freedom of the press in the US will be tested in a way they usually can’t.
Assange’s goal was to induce the monsters to turn on each other. This is fucking great.
What is conclusively obvious is that Mr. Obama has either completely lost control of his intelligence agencies — or is fully in control of them to a dark purpose.
Obama was always being controlled, just as those before him. And US voting records document the same degree of control over probably every American national you have ever known.
Didn’t you know all Americans are implanted with mind-control chips at birth in order to fulfill the rise of the deep state, unfettered capitalism, the international Jewish banking cabal & the Islamicization of the West?
I didn’t know that. But I am certain Americans are a very credulous people, easily duped by politicians, generals, spooks, plutocrats, and their TV sets. Americans’ voting habits comprehensively document my woolly-headed conspiracy theories on the matter.
“Islamicization of the West” Heh… good one. Americans are scared of the craziest shit.
Stan,
Spot on. This IS totally fucking great.
I’m sure all the good “liberal” fans of yours all consider your advice well placed when you suggest we should ignore any connection between Trump and Russia because “the public heard them; and Trump won”. Well, doesn’t that settle it all! Shut up, degenerate proletariat! The public has decided and that means Der Fuhrer is never to be questioned.
Glenn Greenwald should show off his Trump fighting chops first before he diminishes opposition to Trump as inherently illegitimate. He is not and has never been any real source of dissent to Trump’s abhorrent policies or behavior. He remains a huge Trump apologist, a guy who will qualify his alleged dissent with flattering commentary to both his image and his agenda.
still.no.evidence.
greenwald supported clinton over trump. nothing greenwald wrote supports trump.
“greenwald supported clinton over trump”
Like hell he did. He never missed an opportunity to diminish Clinton as some sort of corporate stooge, in equal measure matched by his gushing comments about what an awesome Godlike hero Trump is to his supporters.
“…. matched by his gushing comments about what an awesome Godlike hero Trump is to his supporters.”
Liar. GG denounced Trump repeatedly in his columns in no uncertain terms.
Unlike you, I have read GG’s columns and they do nothing of the kind. Here is a brief review of his last ten articles:
The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect
Watch How Casually False Claims are Published
WashPost Is Richly Rewarded for False News About Russia Threat While Public Is Deceived
Russia Hysteria Infects WashPost Again
Anonymous Leaks to the WashPost About the CIA’s Russia Beliefs Are No Substitute for Evidence
A Clinton Fan Manufactured Fake News That MSNBC Personalities Spread to Discredit WikiLeaks Docs
The Smear Campaign Against Keith Ellison Is Repugnant but Reveals Much About Washington
Growing Far-Right Nationalistic Movements Are Dangerously Anti-Muslim — and Pro-Israel
Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist
In Brazil, Major New Corruption Scandals Engulf the Faction that Impeached Dilma
8 of the last ten are affirmations of Trump’s own talking points against targets Trump’s team opposes. Note within one of the headlines as well as most of those WaPo related columns he promotes denigration of both Clinton and her supporters. He is a Trump partisan. He is simply too much of a coward to admit it.
Ten out of the last of the ten columns have been about the truthz which you blatantly couldn’t care less about. Shouldn’t you be at buzzfeed or wapo? Greenwald clearly isn’t for you.
You are taking really good drugs.
Yeah, my knee-jerk response was “can I get a dime bag?”
;-)
+1
You’re a blatant liar and fantasist, Hobey!
i read it right here at the intercept. greenwald supported clinton over trump. he said it was better to vote for clinton than trump. he got a lot of criticism for that. why do you lie about things that can be checked?
Liberals are in deep denial about the results of the election and their moral authority.
I say this as a socialist.
Hobart: “…you suggest we should ignore any connection between Trump and Russia…”
Greenwald: “All of the claims…about Russia’s ties to Trump should be fullyinvestigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed…”
Hobart: “…[Greenwald] diminishes all opposition to Trump as inherently illegitimate.”
The point of the article is that illegimate opposition undermines legimiate opposition. Greenwald spells that out more than once.
Hobart: “[Greenwald] remains a Trump apologist…”
Unsubstantiated.
Did you read the article? (rhetorical)
What sort of credible independent body does he have in mind when he dismisses the entirety of the United States intelligence community? Considering the strenuous objection to any allegation of Trump’s ties to Russia and the alarming development of Russian manipulation to aid one political party while hurting another in an American election, I have a hard time believing he is at all interested in the truth. He is interested in discrediting any allegation of any kind against Russia.
The point of the article is Glenn Greenwald has anointed himself as the judge of what is and is not legitimate opposition to Trump. I feel it is more than fair to question to what degree Greenwald himself is at all opposed to Trump when he spends the vast majority of his time defending the man and his odious team.
the kind of credible independent body that provides evidence.
still.no.evidence. would it help to add a hashtag?
#stillnoevidence
Your first question is for Greenwald, not me.
“Considering the strenous objection…” by Greenwald against an investigation re: Russia — such an objection does not exist outside of your head. You keep making things up, whole cloth, and expecting other readers to go along with your insanity instead of the plain wording of the article. You alright? Maybe you should sit down and take a pill or something.
“I feel it is fair…”
No one cares.
And you, Ms. Hobart, are all in arms in defense of CIA.
I never defended the CIA (or the 16 other intelligence agencies agreeing Russia hacked the U.S.). I simply don’t demand people dismiss their reportage as illegitimate at face value. Glenn Greenwald demands we do the opposite.
If you were to ask me whether I trust 17 U.S. intelligence agencies staffed with Americans or Glenn Greenwald, I will take U.S. intelligence 10 times out of 10.
Then read the damn dossier. It is laughable: http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-declaration-of-war-against-trump/
You clearly do not understand what “evidence” means. That single defect is causing your wildly silly accusations and mischaracterization of the piece.
You contradict yourself by your previous post in which you have cheerleaded for the CIA’ unsubstantiated discoveries:.Your words: ” Considering the strenuous objection to any allegation of Trump’s ties to Russia and the alarming development of Russian manipulation to aid one political party while hurting another in an American election.” Sounds like a pronouncement of a CIA shill with a disdain for the “deplorables” (the US electorate).
The U.S. electorate is not racist. The deplorable racists are racist.
Then you are a fool.
Going with proven liars 17 out of 17 times and US Intelligence 10 out of 10 times. A perfect score!
Sound piece of writing, when all others seem to be loosing their heads…. I will keep tuning in.
For those curious about what “Deep State” means and who in the Obama Administration is most closely associated with it, take a look at Ashton Carter’s bio. He’s Obama’s Secretary of Defense with a lifelong association with the military-industrial complex that so desperately desires to go back to Cold War-era bloated military budgets:
http://www.pogo.org/blog/2015/01/ashton-carter-takes-revolving-door-to-higher-level.html
It’s an alliance between corporations that live off government contracts, bureaucrats in the executive branch who oversee such contracts, and politicians in Congress who divert federal funds to such contracts. This incestuous triangle of relationships is the defining feature of the Deep State.
For example, when Obama agreed to a $1 trillion nuclear weapons “modernization” program, that was a Deep State victory. NATO expansion into eastern Europe and the U.S. -sponsored Ukrainian coup was a Deep State victory. Obama’s record-breaking arms deals with the Saudis, who diverted some of them to ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, and also to bomb Yemen into oblivion, that was another Deep State victory. Getting Hillary Clinton elected, so she could implement a no-fly zone in Syria and jack up tensions with Russia in eastern Europe, that would have been a huge Deep State victory.
That’s where all the establishment outrage is coming from, they lost that last round, and are no longer in the driver’s seat. Instead they have an unpredictable figure in the White House who has already threatened to cancel Lockheed Martin and United Technologies and Boeing contract deals if they don’t do what he wants – not the order of affairs they’re used to. In addition, normalized relations with Russia would likely lead to vast reductions in NATO spending by the U.S., again, bad for military-industrial profit margins.
However, their main tool in this effort, the corporate media (owned by the same banks and shareholders with huge military-industrial investments) has the lowest approval rating among the general public in recent American history; down under 25% now. It’s widely viewed as the equivalent of Soviet media under Brezhnev in the 1970s – utterly unreliable. This makes their efforts to sell propaganda to the American public much more difficult, which is a good thing.
You seem to be under the impression employing vague propaganda terms like “Deep State” enhances your argument.
It doesn’t.
Says the lying moron who posted this:
Greenwald is a closet Trump supporter. He has always been amenable to what he represents as a symbol. Read his columns and they almost always include some apologia for how Trump is indeed some sort of awesome force in the universe.
WTF are you doing here? It’s clear you can’t even READ!.
I don’t use that world easily but you’re a troll.
You fucking liar. Show us quotes where he praises Trump, actual quotes. You can’t. On the contrary he has denounced him repeatedly.
So neologisms and synonyms weaken an argument in your estimation?
Well, I have yet to see you “enhance” your arguments on this thread, with or without buzz words.
I’d also argue that the term Deep State is not at all “vague” as you claim but rather descriptive.
If a term cannot be objectively defined, then it is a term of art and not of science.
“Deep State” like “establishment” or “elite” or “Big Government” is a term that can mean anything to anyone. That’s your first clue it is a propaganda definition and not something empirically measured in the field of human behavior.
Did you read the paragraph that begins with “It’s an alliance between. . .” ?
That’s what the Deep State is, it’s not very vague at all. It’s the constellation of (1) corporate contractors (SAIC, Lockheed, Northrup, Raytheon, Booze Hamilton, etc. etc.) and (2) executive branch departments within the Pentagon and State Department and CIA/NSA etc. and (3) long-term Congressmembers who oversee the appropriations for the executive branch budgets who farm the contracts out to the corporate interests.
It’s a pretty-well defined concept, a big welfare program for bloated dinosaurs leftover from the Cold War, trying to keep the cash flows from being cut by 50% and diverted to more useful areas like domestic infrastructure, education, health care, etc.
I sure did read that paragraph. It is full of unsubstantiated allegations of conspiratorial connection based on no evidence at all, i.e. exactly what Greenwald et al. here claim to be opposing in denying anything and everything reported by U.S. intelligence. The mention of the military industrial complex, another subjective term of art for some describable and identifiable human behavior, does not in any way, shape or form confirm Greenwald’s definition of what the so-called “Deep State” is empirically. He will use that term to mean anything he wants it to mean as long as he draws breath.
It is obvious that the facts of Carter’s deep zionist connections have been unnerving for you. In the previous posts, you have also become irritated with the facts that the CIA scoundrels like Morell (never been in combat) and Hayden (never been in combat) have been caught scheming (along with your beloved Brazile and Clinton) against US electorate. Perhaps Trump will be a disaster for the US. We do not know yet, but according to the US Constitution (have you heard about this document, or Obama years made it finally “obsolete?”) Trump is the choice of the US citizenry. And Clinton is not.
“you have also become irritated with the facts that the CIA scoundrels like Morell (never been in combat) and Hayden (never been in combat) have been caught scheming (along with your beloved Brazile and Clinton) against US electorate.”
I don’t recall mentioning any of those individuals besides Clinton by name. I categorically reject they have ever been shown to have conspired “against US electorate”.
“… a $1 trillion nuclear weapons “modernization” program …”
as legacy weapons age out due to half-life issues, deep state will move to reconfigure existing stockpiles with a smaller-core, wider-based tactical weapons profile …
the deep state (and wolverine) will use all the tools in the toolbox to make and keep america great, now and in the future. it is not fair to blame obama or trump either, greatness knows no POTUS boundaries, now more than ever. for the childrens sake lets get together and reclaim the diversity that has made us what we are today
Thank you, Glenn Greenwald, for your reason and clarity in the midst of this mass hysteria whirlwind.
Thanks for writing about this, Glenn — you are just the person I wanted to hear from when this fake news broke. It’s quite pathetic what is happening
It’s obvious that this dossier should be met with intense skepticism and doubt. As Glenn said, it’s from an anonymous source, quoting other anonymous sources and was funded by politicians competing against Trump. Most damning is that several media institutions and the intelligence community have had this for months and have seemingly not corroborated anything!
However, in his typical fashion, Glenn overreaches. Blaming this on the “Deep State” (LOL, seriously!? Talk about a shameless clickbait) which is shorthand for a CIA-led effort to undermine Trump, is a baseless accusation.
Who is doing this!? A bunch of randos on Twitter!? Or is this a spin on Chuck Schumer’s idiotic comment?
You are pretending that these former CIA officials still speak for the entire CIA. You then further pretend to have unmasked the motive for the CIA’s monolithic preference for Clinton; i.e., she supported more action in Syria, while Trump, being the dove that you suggest he is, did not (his approach to Syria only involved a plan to kill the families of ISIS members). It’s a ridiculous and baseless over-generalization; one that’s as suspect as the anonymously sourced dossier. As for the reasons for their anti-Trump animus: Morrell rightly concluded that Trump had no national security experience, refused to change views, lacked critical thinking, and described all the other things that make Trump unqualified to lead government. Hayden rightly concluded that Trump’s policies are largely incoherent, a threat to national stability, and shared his dislike of Trump’s ban to bar Muslims. This was all in their respective articles.
Again, baseless. As you say in your own article, the Mother Jones story spoke of the intelligence report being provided to the FBI. The FBI was among the three intel agencies that briefed Trump last week. So what is your basis for saying the CIA elevated this to some grave threat? Do you know who leaked the 35-page report!? Do you have your own anonymous sources on this, presumably on Twitter? In the very WSJ article you referred to Hayden said this:
You omitted this part (shocking!). What if the intelligence community hadn’t appended the 2-page synopsis and the document was still released? It would make them look like they did not take the allegations seriously.
Again, you skew the information to align with your own narrative. This wasn’t “some sort of vague, indirect, and deniable approval” (what a weasel word-filled qualifier) of the accusations but an acknowledgment that this intelligence official and his sources had been credible in the past. The CNN article says “The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible….What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago.” This is the same rationale that could be applied to WL and Julian Assange. He has credibility because he has provided accurate, authentic information in the past. But that doesn’t mean you blindly trust him going forward. People who blindly believe the contents of this 35-page unsubstantiated document are foolish. But so are those who reflexively dismiss its contents as fake news.
The biggest error here lies with Buzzfeed. They decided to release an unsubstantiated document and that’s on them. Glenn tries to pin the blame on CNN but that falls flat on its face because Mother Jones had said essentially the same thing last year. Specifically that: “… a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government.”
Glenn, unless you can provide some evidence to support the assertion that the “Deep State overlords” are “now engaged in open warfare,” trying to “sabotage” and blackmail Trump and then can support your claim that the CIA is complicit in the creation of this 35-page document, I think you need to issue a correction. Remember, add your editor’s note to the top of your article, not the bottom.
Why is it so hard to comprehend the fact that “senior government officials” are more often than not unreliable and dishonest and engaged in pushing propaganda out to the American public in alliance with media outlets? Didn’t we see that with WMD reports in Iraq in 2003, as well as the claims about Syrian government chemical weapons use in 2013, both of which turned out to be lies?
Here’s Iraq, 2003:
Here’s Syria, 2013:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-12-06/anti-fraud-experts-launch-news-accuracy-site-find-us-probably-blamed-wrong-side-for-syria-chemical-attack
And here’s a nice quote from the Sep 8 2002 Judith Miller piece on Saddam’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons at the NYTimes:
Gosh, see a pattern here?
Yes, I’m well aware of the Iraq intelligence failures. Try to stay focused on this article.
They weren’t Iraq intelligence failures, Nate. They were Iraq propaganda successes. That’s why nobody trusts the CIA or its dipshit analysts anymore, or their “reliable vetted sources.”
Then why did you link to the 2005 LA Times article which explicitly blamed intelligence failures to properly critique Curveball!? It says:
But again, this whole fixation on the CIA being complicit in the 35-page dossier is a distraction. It’s a baseless claim, especially in light of additional reporting that says the dossier ended up first in the hands of the FBI and even resulted in the FBI going before the FISA Court to obtain wiretaps of Trump officials.
Actually, the dossier – and its promoters – should be met with laughter. The scribbling is so incompetent and obviously fake, that any fool who decided to accept the dossier for real should be pronounced the Fool. Here is a light analysis showing the apparent signs of fakery: http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-declaration-of-war-against-trump/
Only a desperate or totally incompetent “decider” in the CIA could promote such a dossier. The promotion makes a black eye to the whole organization.
This was a really poor rebuttal, focusing primarily on the alleged administrative shortcomings of the document, as I found there is an international intelligence marking handbook.
There are verifiable pieces of information in the report (Trump’s Ritz stay, Cohen’s supposed trip to the EU,” etc.) I’ll wait for evidence or a refutation of those, not the words of some guy or gal.
oh you mean you’re going to wait for evidence. it sure took you a long time to adopt glenn’s position, but at least you got there.
Learn to read, pretzel.
I took exception with Glenn’s allegations that this dossier was part of a ploy orchestrated by the CIA, or as Glenn now refers to them as “The Deep State”!
For example? OWS? Million whatever march? Anti-war demonstrations? Opposition party? The press?
The entire premise of “deep government” and all the hysterical claims of Nazi-ism and dark conspiracies — and indeed the entire premise of Herr Buffoon’s campaign — all point to the ineffectualness of these alternative tactics.
But now you say we (those of us absolutely opposed to this moron as president) should (will) simply and suddenly and magically organize to prevent or respond to “political crisis” and “authoritarian overreach.”
If these sinister unelected officials now conspire against Trump because he’s somehow bringing a new freedom and honesty to the State, where were they before the election?
Either you have a “deep state” or you do not.
You should not get to use this grand X factor as both omnipotent villain and impotent foil.
Yet here we are.
Stop being so rational & reasonable. ‘Paranoid Ideologues Only’ here at TI.
Thanks for always being a clear and balanced voice of reason in the wild, Glenn.
“…who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless…” Gee, almost like this was srtup to create the exact situation that the author is pointing out. Its anonymous, therefore it could be a Trump supporter. Nah, Trump would never do that.
The Russians might – pretty smart, huh?
Thank you for all you do to promote truth in journalism. I am no Trump supporter and am very worried. I just saw him now agree that the hacking was of Russian origin. Looks like someone got to him. Interesting that this new lie occurred the same day he asked RFK Jr to head a vaccine safety committee. RFK jr. is on record as not believing the phony Warren Commission report and has read James Douglass’ amazing book JFK and the Unspeakable Why He died and Why It matters, so he knows all about the CIA and assassinations. I suspect Trump knows much of this stuff too and so the intel agencies are putting out as much fake news about him as possible.
I post your stories every day on my facebook page to try to educate as may as possible. I have been a student of deep politics all of my life. I knew 11/22/63 at age 14 that we were lied to. It would inform the rest of my life and my thinking. So thank you. You are one of the few unsung heroes in journalism.
Dawn
I doubt Trump reached that conclusion based on convincing evidence. Trump doesn’t seem intellectually capable of evaluating evidence. My guess is that he was told: “Look, you can’t go around second guessing the intelligence agencies because you’ll undermine yourself when the time comes to justify intervention abroad.”
The hacking of the DNC was just a dry run for Russia. More to come. Infrastructure next. Lights out NYC or DC. We hacked Russian ally Iran. We hacked Merkel. Why is it so hard to believe that Russia hacked us. Hacking is the new weapon of choice!!!! HACKING IS THE NEW WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Easy to use, hard to prove and there is plausible deniability. We are so unprepared for cyber war we ought to be ashamed. Oh wait we were shamed and this is a reflection on our GOV’s preparedness.
once more
it was an inside job
who benefitted from the murder of Seth Rich?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html
OK so maybe but I see a whole lot of anti Trump people siding with Trump/Russia on this when you know Trump is probably tied in with Russia financially. 7 bankruptcies? Who else would loan him money? AND after what Jr T said about their financial portfolio. Never the less….. HACKING IS THE NEW WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
you know what? When a successful guy like Trump, who gets things done, makes contact with a govt that professes to want to get things done but which govt instead borrows money and bleeds a country to death by flushing the money down the drain after having gotten nothing done and destroying the work of people who have got things, is critisised for saving a business and employees thru bankruptcy, you gotta re-eval your definition of success.
Masha Green at NY Review has knowledgeabke thoughtful analysis: http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/01/09/russia-trump-election-flawed-intelligence/
Saker is even better with undressing up the incompetent fool who wrote the childish garbage on the Dems order : http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-declaration-of-war-against-trump/
It’s a shame so few people read TI because there are some great points in this article – especially around how circulating made-up nonsense can only help Trump in the long term.
Nobody at The Intercept is at all concerned with Glenn Greenwald parroting the same arguments made by the Trump team? Nothing at all to see in Glenn’s strident disavowal of any information or source implicating Russia in manipulating our electoral process? Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Greenwald et al. would have me believe 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have all conspired to lie to the American people, based on what? Glenn’s fee-fees.
still. no. evidence.
Only because Glenn and his cohort consider any opinion of the intelligence community illegitimate at face value, which is also dismissing the source with no. evidence.
No evidence?
Like when HRC tried to drone Assange?
NOW you want evidence?!?
i never have said anything, pro or con about clinton trying to drone assange. i remember she suggested it one of the emails, and as far as i know nobody has questioned their accuracy, or at least nobody has provided any evidence that they are, and nobody has denied they are genuine. i generally want evidence from sources that have proven to be suspect in the past, like the intelligence community.
There was no email.
You seem to just pick & choose your ‘evidence’.
there were tens of thousands of emails. and i never said clinton tried to drone assange, based on any of them. you seem to spew bullshit randomly.
Greenwald used to be intellectually honest, but he’s become just another close-minded idealogue. It’s clear at this point that he will reject ANYTHING the intelligence community has to say if it doesn’t back up his preconceived ideology.
What about the word “evidence” do you not understand?
Who needs evidence when you can use “Deep State” as a device to back up any unsubstantiated claim you’re making?
It seems that you prefer your mighty intuition to any evidence. Please tell us, what exactly are these valuable “something” that you have found in the imbecile dossier (created on Dems order by an incompetent opportunist), which made you so confident in the CIA honesty and intellect? Read the dossier!: http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-declaration-of-war-against-trump/
Nailed it.
methinks you are confused about the 17 unintel agencies. It’s not 17, it’s 1+16.
Still just a ridiculous, ugly, sneering bigot, eh Hobiekins?
Are you proud of sounding like one of your below average trolls on Breitbart, apparently Glenn Greenwald’s ne plus ultra of editorial independence?
The intelligence agencies are paid to lie. Please explain to me how anyone is supposed to know when they are telling the truth? I’ll wait.
All 17 of them conspired to lie to the American people about foreign espionage?
Oh totally! What reasonable person doesn’t get that the Kremlin decided five years ago to “groom” a reality TV star by blackmailing him with piss videos involving Russian sex workers? Why, no one can be shamed with sex stuff like DONALD TRUMP.
The intelligence community never suggested what you wrote
Quite the contrary, I think it’s admirable that Glenn Greenwald has enough intellectual integrity to not be taken in by the hysteria that has infected most Democrats and even some otherwise reasonable progressive commentators.
Something is up between Trump and Russia including Trump’s soft policy stances on Russia, Mallafort’s connections, and the odd man crush between Putin and Trump. It’s easy to believe the buzzfeed release because it’s obvious that something is misssing. If trump would release his taxes and show more transparency people would probably not got to extremes. But where the is a lack of facts their will be myths to fill in gaps.
Very Very good article and insight. Neither of us are Donald fans but we both see the real danger, why I voted for him. He is a very imperfect individual that has brought down dynasties and is by choose or accident confronting “unelected” POWER. We all will have our difference but I will stand with him and you on this. If this unlikely a trio see it, there is some hope.
> And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.
Welcome to the post-truth world, Mr. Greenwald. If anyone can believe anything that they like, regardless of facts or evidence… well, what’s to stop anything, no matter how stupid, from becoming the new “Truth”?
I agree with the overall point here. For Trump opponents, this probably is a case of “if seems too good to be true, then it probably is.”
I’m more interested in the report that the FBI received a FISA warrant in October to look into these claims. The implication being the FBI was investigating Clinton AND Trump in the run-up to the election. Yet Comey was compelled to only reveal the investigation into Clinton’s emails to the American people.
The Trumpsters are crazy!
The KillaryDems are crazy!
Help us Obi Glenn Kenobi!
You’re our only hope!
I understand and agree with your point, Glenn, but John McCain thought these documents were important enough to provide them to the FBI, lending a modicum of importance to them. The advertising of these docs has always been stated as unverified and unsubstantiated. We are living in a strange time. Kellyanne Conway’s remark that we shouldn’t interpret Trump literally, but instead listen to his heart, is apropos. We have a bigoted P-elect that can spew outright lies with impunity. These allegations of Trump’s affairs in Russia come with a caution attached: user beware. I view the release of these docs as spurious and unwarranted, but not journalistic damnation.
Glenn, you’re one of my heroes, but I wish this report wasn’t so full of slippery slope arguments and provided more substantial evidence against the claims. If the unverified is indeed untrue, I understand why you wouldn’t be excited by some grand Machiavellian attempt to oust Trump, due to your rightful skepticism of those launching the attack, but fake news undoing the fake newsman could be the final embarrased gasp of terrible journalism. No matter what happens, I expect the Intercept to grow because of this.
Thank godess for the Intercept and Consortium news. You all are my main sources of truth.
Wonkette (fast becoming the Breifart equivalent of the ‘Hillary left’) now has a silly hit piece on Glenn. These people have seriously ‘forgotten’ the lessons from CIA Iraqi ‘intelligence’ (and many other lessons, of course).
Yes, because of course the CIA is absolute & pure evil.
The world sure is easier to understand when you view it through your little binary brain.
Now go hold hands with a Trumpster. You’re more alike than you care to admit.
the cia lied about iraqi wmd’s under pressure from cheney and bush. then they lied about torturing people. so, ask for evidence.
So if the CIA lied under pressure from the executive branch of gov’t doesn’t that pretty much prove their is no unseen hidden “deep state” running things?
oh i don’t think it’s well hidden. cheney and bush were acting outside the constitution; i don’t think it’s legal just because the president does it. the stories about cheney pressuring the cia weren’t well publicised at the time, but it wasn’t well hidden. apparently the cia was leaking about it, and maybe that was one reason cheney had plame outed.
my point was if the executive branch is able to pressure the CIA doesn’t that disprove the existence of a “deep state”.
Can’t argue with that kind of Logic !
And you complain about my ‘little binary brain’?
Involvement of the CIA in numerous covert operations worldwide, including messing with democracies (what Putin now stands accused of) I hope is NOT in dispute by you. These people lie and manipulate for a living.
Let them present credible evidence and I’ll honestly consider it. Until that point it’s simply ‘politicking as usual’.
I hate Trump, BTW, you idjit.
“At some point last week, the chiefs of the intelligence agencies decided to declare that this ex-British intelligence operative was ‘credible’…”
Read The Guardian’s report on the whole affair, linked here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts
From the article: “An official in the US administration who spoke to the Guardian described the source who wrote the intelligence report as consistently reliable, meticulous and well-informed, with a reputation for having extensive Russian contacts.”
The intelligence chiefs didn’t just decide this guy was credible on a whim. He was well-known in the Western intelligence community before he began working as a private consultant. It’s fine to approach these reports with a healthy degree of skepticism, but don’t distort them or the record of the source that produced them.
it wasn’t a whim. it was because they wanted to catapult his propaganda. curveball was well known as a flake in the western intelligence community, before they decided to go to war and use his fake intelligence as a justification.
Too right. They called the guy “curveball” and then told us all to listen to him. it’s not just that they lie all the time, they *enjoy* lying and think it is funny. We are supposed to take them seriously now?
THAT is certainly true. It was calculated.
In short, an anonymous guy from the Obama administration whispered to the Guardian that the author of the report is really credible, and you’re asking us to accept that.
Exactly! It’s just another example of how Obama is trying to destroy America! #MAGA
Come on, it’s more like Curveball 2.0
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-na-curveball20nov20-story.html
I worked part of a major lawsuit, david vs goliath, and goliath really did try to bury david in paper. Porting this to media and politics, it’s the “throw the vampire a fishing net”. Should be an awfully large net by 2020.
unsubstaintiatednews.com?
but don’t distort them or the record of the source that produced them.
The biggest thing distorting our ability to evaluate the record of the source that produced them is his anonymity. Unless and until someone produces his name, the rest should be treated with extreme caution and skepticism since we already have a pretty good idea about the record of the CIA and other intel agencies.
I find it interesting how Mr. Greenwald (& Assange) never comment on right wing false news (Pizzagate and the recent false Breitbart report about 1000 Muslims firebombing a church in Cologne, or the whole election being manipulated through fake right wing social media feeds. for example) but spring into action when Russia and the current actors are criticized (“Sure, Trump is bad, BUT….”).
By openly siding with one set of players, Assange has lost all credibility; I hope Mr. Greenwald doesn’t sit in the same boat. Eisenhower’s warning could as easily be applied to a cabinet filled with generals, billionaires, Wall Street executives and right wing extremists.
The Intercept has demolished the Pizzagate crapola. Look it up or learn to read.
Trump answers questions about Russia hacks
ah so now trump is a credible source. did you know the nazis were left wing? it’s right there in there name, and they wouldn’t lie.
“no one is credible unless I say so”
of course!
carry on.
you were the one that used him as a source. if you don’t think he’s credible, that flushes your own argument using him.
I have cited one after another links that agree with IC about Russia’s involvement… and simply added Trump to the list…
this is a person who, up to just the other day, insisted that it was all BS.
But once briefed, shown the secret report not made available to the public, now readily acknowledges something he has every motive to disavow.
It has some meaning, in the context of all….
But you’re right, I think he is an inveterate liar, among other not-so-niceties
so, flush to suit
Thanks Glenn for your courage. As a leftist I am shochked how obvious the “leftist” media is focusing on keeping the status-quo.
The “conspirancy” of the deep state seems to be real. I’m wondering where all these things will lead to. The country is already the divdided but the media is sipping more oil into the fire, from week to week.
I’m not a fan of forecasting political situations, but if Trump looses this war by retiring or an Appeachment, the USA might get into some serious violent uprising. I don’t like to overstate things but just check the violent comments (10k in only 6h) . These guys are for real and they might not hold back.
Greenwald, every country in the world is being ruled by unelected elite. The elected are mostly just puppets, and in the vent that they’re not, they are eventually forced to do what the elite — the slavemasters — want, or else face the concequences. There’s never been such a thing called democracy. Inform your audience of what is REALLY going on — that they’re really slaves being abused on a daily basis without realizing it.
Please study the info here: https://blog.kareldonk.com/statism-a-system-for-your-enslavement/
WMD
Plain and simple, the elite MSM and CIA and (un)intel agencies are FULL OF SHEET. They sold us WMD and got hundreds of thousands killed and murdered in their illegal war and crashed the American economy. They want to rule by accusation and innuendo. They need to be dismissed.
yet another distraction to keep this
Israeli Diplomat Caught on Camera Plotting to ‘TAKE DOWN’ UK MPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMaH-yEVQRI
out of the media
This is evidence of a low level mossad agent seeking out potential players in a potential murder scenario against the British Govt.
So, it’s the Jews, right?
could be christians
but they would be from israel, right?
Well, we know it WASN’T the Muslims. We’re pretty sure bout that.
http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm
“Right now, Trump’s opponents are behaving as media critic Adam Johnson described: as ideological jelly fish, floating around aimlessly and lost, desperately latching on to whatever barge randomly passes by.”
Those would be barnacles. Science is important.
What exactly is the “Deep State”? If the CIA is responsible for nefarious activities it’s fine to call them out. The people running the CIA are known entities. If you are implying that there are other mysterious forces in control of the CIA then state who they are or at least make the claim outright. Using boogieman terms like Deep State is weak and is more appropriate to Alex Jones and Joe McCarthy.
the DEEP STATE is the control unit that prevents the murderers in israel who murdered 34 Americans aboard the USS Liberty from being charged and prosecuted for crimes against America.
oh , so the “Deep State” is a “control unit” and even though you have no names or evidence you know they exist. too funny.
TI or InfoWars?
They are mostly indistinguishable i.e. Self-righteous, paranoid, fact-free…
Opposite sides.
Same coin.
They seem to attract many of the the same sort of paranoiacs.
Q: Who profited from 9/11.
A: Alex Jones
you sound like a climate denier
it’s all about the pattern and the context in the art of the educated guess
ie – take down as in disable or kill?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMaH-yEVQRI
Please don’t feed Gil. The above article is important, and about a very dangerous phenomenon. It’s not about Israel — that’s simply what Gil cares about and is why he’s here.
understood.
this scares me more than the buildup to iraq, because they really seem to want to risk a war with russia, or don’t mind risking a war with russia to get trump. i really struggle to see an upside for anybody to this, but i’m damned sure there isn’t one for ordinary americans.
“It’s not about Israel — that’s simply what Gil cares about and is why he’s here.”
and yet you and barb are the only ones bring that topic up. hmmmm. still smarting for being exposed on the other thread I see. too funny.
The Deep State is simply the conglomerate of institutions (both public and private) that influence the behavior of the US as a nation state. In this particular case, Glenn is talking about the intelligence community working in conjunction with the corporate media — a trivially true observation.
Glenn introduces the Deep State in his first paragraph:
Dwight Eisenhower was nobody’s fool, and hardly a Kremlin tool. (The rightwing’s fevers notwithstanding.)
So we need absolute evidence before we can say that the Russians tried to influence the elections, but we take it on faith that the CIA the FBI and the NSA collude with the media to control us as a nation?
legislation enacted at the state and federal level is subject to implementation by government policy … these policies are often known as “legislative rules” or some other euphemism
policy people are not elected, they are career government employees not only with the intelligence services but also working for all sorts of government agencies … agencies that often have a political axe to grind
for example, it’s legal to smoke tobacco in the us but many states make it virtually impossible to do so in a public setting (not that i’m some sort of advocate of smoking …)
the point is that these government employees have a huge investment in their own agendas, and in the status quo when it suits their own agendas
it is these people one could rightly call the “deep state”
Why the need for a name like “Deep State” which has connotations that some mysterious force is in control ? Also in the example you gave there is no secret about how those laws came about and they didn’t come about to advance the agenda of a gov’t agency. The head of these agencies at the federal level are appointed by the executive branch. It’s not the other way around. What is the agenda of the CIA in this? If it’s to keep their jobs I wouldn’t think pissing off Trump is the way to do it.
there’s a lot that’s secret about how legislative rules are formulated, and what relationship they have to the actual laws created by the legislature … the public has little or no access to the meetings, and there are rarely any accurate meeting minutes taken when it comes to the rationale behind policy decisions
one could call the deep state the institutional government or the non-elected government or some such, but “deep state” sounds way cooler
sounds like a term that is meant to imply dark forces behind the gov’t.
“I am a germaphobe!” – Trump. MI6’s story debunked. Nailed it fair and square.
Great work as usual Glenn, and this is coming from a deep conservative
This is not a conservative or liberal issue. It is a human issue of enormous import.
Amen, Aggrieved!
President Obama and PE Trump have both said they were NOT actually briefed on this stoopid document.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-was-not-briefed-on-document-with-explosive-russia-allegations-official-says.html
Not to defend the document or anything like that, but Trump and his campaign manager are the only ones saying he didn’t get briefed. The article you included does not mention Obama’s name, even once.
See, it’s this type of half truth bs that facilitates the persistence of misinformation. Where did Obama say he wasn’t briefed on the matter? He didn’t. You’re trying to falsely add another tier of credibility by saying our current president is calling the briefing a lie also, which never happened.
This is exactly how truth is clouded.
I understand you don’t want to defend it. No worries. But I clearly recall seeing an interview or other comment last night from Obama that he had not been briefed on this addendum.
The link to the actual story seems to not be working..suspicous. But here is what I can see when I search for the story.
It was in this interview on TV last night where he said it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/classified-us-intel-report-russia-gathered-compromising-info-on-trump/
We went to war and killed thousands of people over much less evidence than this. I hate lies as much as anyone but at times fire must be fought with fire. Trump is an unrepentant liar, he is ignition in a room full of explosives he is a danger to this country. I’ll live with this and correct it at a later date rather than take the chance of a Putin puppet sitting in the oval office. The old adage “where there’s smoke there’s fire” applies here.
If I lived in Rio I’m not sure I would feel so safe from a Trump regime, and of course there’s Snowden living in the belly of the beast. How long before Trump asks good friend Vlad to send him packing?
so you would support a coup based on lies by the cia. and btw, the “evidence” for iraqi wmds was about as full of holes as the “evidence” for this crap.
So the end justifies the means? Let’s hope the Deep State never turns on you or your preferred candidate or group. Maybe gulags for the recalcitrant, whataya think, those candidates and voters whom you perceive as dangerous?
BTW, I wasn’t aware that Trump has already “killed thousands of people…” I believe that was Bush and Obama.
To have to define it as the “Deep State” should be troubling to anyone who thought there was only one state. That’s right kids, there are two states.. the one you elected. And the one that runs the country. Didn’t you know that.
You are very right. Unfortunately, the great majority of the US people have no idea who really run the country. They elected Obama, the greatest demagogue in modern time, and they believed him when he said many times, “yes, we can”, while the real government, the one who really has the power and is in charged was saying, “no, you can not”.
If you want to know more about the history of CIA interventions in the rest of the world take a look at this link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency
I will trust more in Al Capone than in the CIA.
To my great surprise, on Twitter, Kevin Jon Heller is talking smack about this article. I — and to some extent Marcy Wheeler — have been pushing back.
i am pleased to see the recognition of “deep state” by GG leading
BION, revisiting http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/736223/9-11-tower-Building-7-collapse-fire-conspiracy is very deep state and will go a long way to establish the credibility of deep state operations. no joke.
This is an extremely important lesson for Trump’s opponents that will almost certainly not be learned until it is too late.
You should update your article to include the latest saga of this IC sh*tshow being reported by CNBC:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-was-not-briefed-on-document-with-explosive-russia-allegations-official-says.html
They now say that they brought the 2-page summary as evidence of what “disinformation” looks like, but never showed it to Trump. So, the IC community seems to feel that the report is “disinformation”, but it is being breathlessly reported as truth even as I type because of leaks, probably from Congress.
I’d say we are on the verge of watching Trump achieve an historic victory over the deep state. He will emerge more powerful than ever, with a substantial amount of sympathy and the headwinds that righteous indignation can provide to a genuine populist.
Very well presented indictment. Thanks, Glenn. Will the sheeple listen and learn?
This tweet from RT says Trump has gone after CNN and Buzzfeed in his press conference:
https://twitter.com/RT_America/status/819215987971080193
RT ?@RT_America
WATCH LIVE: #Trump gives first formal press conference since election victory https://on.rt.com/802p
Mr. Greenwald
“………All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible. As my colleague Sam Biddle argued last week after disclosure of the farcical intelligence community report on Russia hacking – one which even Putin’s foes mocked as a bad joke – the utter lack of evidence for these allegations means “we need an independent, resolute inquiry.”………”
To suggest that there is an “utter lack of evidence” is flat out false. How many articles is this now where you have published fake news stories about Russia with the goal in mind to obfuscate and muddle the DNC hack by the Russians? I really didn’t need to read your whole article to realize where this was going. It wasn’t just the CIA that assessed that the DNC was hacked by Russia, but the FBI and the NSA along with the other 13 US intelligence departments – which endorsed the findings.
There is a high degree of confidence that the Russian government was behind the hack of the emails stolen from the DNC based on the existing descriptions of APT28 and APT29 by various Cyber-security experts like Crowdstrike (“Bears in the Midst: Intrusion into the Democratic National Committee”), F-Secure (“The Dukes, Seven Years of Russian Espionage”) and Fireeye (“SPECIAL REPORT APT28: A WINDOW INTO RUSSIA S CYBER ESPIONAGE OPERATIONS?”).
All have extensive experience with the hackers in question although, there may not be a smoking gun in this case (high degree of confidence does not equal certainty). None of the reports detail the obvious motives for the Russians to hack the DNC which were substantial. Part of the executive summary of the Fireeye report is shown below (https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/global/en/current-threats/pdfs/rpt-apt28.pdf):
“……….In this paper we discuss a threat group whose malware is already fairly well-known in the cybersecurity community. This group, unlike the China-based threat actors we track, does not appear to conduct widespread intellectual property theft for economic gain. Nor have we observed the group steal and profit from financial account information. The activity that we profile in this paper appears to be the work of a skilled team of developers and operators collecting intelligence on defense and geopolitical issues – intelligence that would only be useful to a government. We believe that this is an advanced persistent threat (APT) group engaged in espionage against political and military targets including the country of Georgia, Eastern European governments and militaries, and European security organizations since at least 2007. They compile malware samples with Russian language settings during working hours consistent with the time zone of Russia’s major cities, including Moscow and St. Petersburg. While we don’t have pictures of a building, personas to reveal, or a government agency to name, what we do have is evidence of longstanding, focused operations that indicate a government sponsor – specifically, a government based in Moscow. We are tracking this group as APT28……..”
The reports highlight APT28 and APT29 cyber-attacks. All three reports lead to the same conclusion. Crowdstrike initially identified the hackers as Russian.
No one doubts that US intelligence can be wrong, but not in this case. The crazy stories in the news about Russia only obfuscate and deflect from the reality that Russia hacked the DNC to help elect Trump.
Explain what the evidence consists of in your own words. Make it succinct. Let’s see how convincing it is.
This article isn’t even about the DNC hacks; that matter is, at best, tangential. Don’t let Craig Summers misdirect. What the article is about is dangerous.
But what I said was true. Greenwald used this story and the Washington Post story to question the intelligence on the DNC hack. See here? You cannot trust the CIA, FBI, Bob Clapper etc. It’s Greenwald misdirecting, not me.
There are lots of people who are doubting this report. I’ll start by using an Intercept contributor, and a well-known foe of Putin, Masha Gessen. Read this report.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/01/09/russia-trump-election-flawed-intelligence/
Now tell me about the evidence. When you’ve got a die-hard Putin-hater (who blames him for numerous deaths) saying there is no evidence, there is likely no evidence.
I can use other sources, but the comment system apparently only allows one link per post.
Masha Gessen despises Putin, and for good reason. She’s also a rational and reasonable journalist.
It’s a good breakdown of the released intelligence report, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote about which was Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear (APT28 and APT29). Both are associated with Russian intelligence. Glance at the reports I listed in my first post and you can see why the Russian government is associated with the hack.
Thanks.
Thanks.
This comment is typical of so many here. Masha Gessen is not a “die-hard Putin-hater.” She is a calm, restrained academic who simply acknowledges the many credible charges by dissents in Russia, human rights organizations, and journalists around the world that Putin is an authoritarian ruler whose government has killed its opponents, particularly journalists. In the charged rhetoric of so many on this site, that translates to being a die-hard hater. For some people, you can’t simply take a position, you have to be a zealot fueled by emotion, in this case, hatred. Remarkable.
nyet.
Masha must be a die-hard Putin destroyer.
Afraid to absorb Russia as the borg would do.
why.
in the face of US transgressions and hypocrisy and arrogance for the US role in weaponising so many nations doing or threatening genocide.
Russia didnt do that.
Who do you think is “weaponizing” Assad – the biggest terrorist on the planet?
Hint: It ain’t the US!
speaking of weaponising terrorists,
1. will providing israel with F-35’s have israel trying to sink more US ships like they did on the USS Liberty?
2. will israel be selling weapons to ASSAD? ‘Israel would be embarrassed if it were known it’s selling arms to … http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.669852
3. why is the mossad sending recruiters to Britain to take down PM’s? Take down?
4. What was the israeli role in the murder of Seth Rich
5. AND FINALLY – What is happening JAN. 15 2017 in FRANCE with OBAMA and a lot of other nations?
This is pretty awesome. Hopefully Trump will survive this scandal and come back to settle scores with the CIA.
Glenn, you have taken two contrary positions on this issue. First, you claim, without evidence, that the allegations related to Russian interference in election 2016 / the Trump teams complicity with these efforts are false. Second, you have demanded public disclosure of IC’s evidence supporting these allegations. In the time since the IC has published two declassified reports on Russian interference, you have not done anything to directly engage their findings but simply continue to dismiss them out of hand.
Alarmingly, you have not done any original reporting to debunk the IC’s allegations. As an “investigative” journalist, your readers should expect as much. In fact, given your relationship with Wikileaks & Assange, you could clear this whole thing up by meeting with Wikileaks’ source and reporting on it. Perhaps thats’s a tall order, but have you even tried?
I believe I have read every article you have written on this topic. They read like a summary of your twitter feed and the feeds of similarly situated “nonbelievers,” most of whom are not journalists or don’t deserve the name. As a journalist, you cannot discard IC’s findings based upon the CIA’s past bad acts (you should know this because you are also an attorney).
It’s true that some, including media outlets, have irresponsiblly lent crdence to the claims contained in the opposition research report released yesterday, but you are acting with the same irresponsibility by flatly denying them. The only thing we know at this point is that serious allegations have been made and the IC has deemed the source(s) of that information are credible. With this information we know, the only reasonable position is to advocate for a thorough investigation while withholding judgment. To do otherwise places you in the same position as those journalists you frequently excoriate in this publication, on Twitter, and elsewhere.
no he hasn’t maintained that the allegations are false. this is a lie. the reports are vaporware.
You do say, “All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible,” but you make that point almost in passing at the end of an article that mostly focuses on your wholesale dismissal of the report released yesterday and the IC as a whole.
the report released yesterday was as reliable as curveball on the iraqi wmd’s. it richly deserves to be dismissed.
It’s perfectly justifiable to be highly skeptical of such claims, particularly if they are only assertions. Credibility matters, both in public discourse and in courts of law.
Skepticism is good, but it’s not evidence.
Some time before the election I asserted few things have ever frightened the establishment hierarchy the way Donald Trump’s GOP nomination, or his unexpected polling against Hillary Clinton, had. Anyone believing that’s changed isn’t paying attention. Even Republican senators went on attack against Tillerson in the confirmation hearing this morning – pushing the deep state’s anti-Putin cold war propaganda line. I’ve not heard this much anti-Russian rhetoric since the Cold War.
Along a similar line of thought; I told someone last night during President Obama’s Farewell Address how I originally never thought he’d turn out to be another war criminal and chief, but between this racist country still seeing some black African Muslim and only being a temporary custodian for the PTB, “I’ll give him this, he got out alive.”
And if curious about my faith in US’ deep state government to any longer do the right thing, domestically or internationally? Well, let’s just say by comparison – Trump still looks downright religious.
I have a feeling that, between his work as an oil CEO, his wanting for better ties with Russia, and his allowing gays in the Boy Scouts, Tillerson may be one of the few Cabinet nominees ever to go down to defeat- and that’s a shame. He’s FAR more honest and ethical than the last oil official as SecState (Condoleeza Rice of Chevron). We need good relations with Russia, especially since we have a common enemy in IS.
While Tillerson’s conflicts of oil interest are a concern – he frequently seems far more thoughtful about international politics than a lot of the Senators questioning him, idiot Rubio in particular.
Presidents and Congresses come and go, but the bureaucracy stays. We should be on guard against them.
oh goodie, now iraq 2.0 has its own curveball.
Adam Johnson means barnacles, not jelly fish.
How do we know the source was paid by Trump’s opponents but we don’t know who the source is?
Typos:
“harder line” has no dash unless used as a modifier. Harder-line fascists want Obama to take a harder line.
I can’t make sense of the last clause (post-colon) of the sentence following the Schumer video. “Its” refers to the deep state? And you are pointing out that it is using the form of blackmail it uses to blackmail Trump? Wouldn’t the the deep state always use whatever methods the deep state uses? A is A? Where is the irony?
“will millions of people” –> “with millions of people”
“Adam Johnson means barnacles, not jelly fish. ”
I see your prognostication skill extends beyond banking.
I guess you’ve never pulled an anchor line when there are jelly fish in the water (perhaps you have crew for that).
Where, you ask? Right there … noting the importance of fashion while your fly is open.
Don’t see what an anchor line has to do with it when the line specifically says “barge.” WAIT, sorry — I don’t see… There, feel better?
Do jellyfish float around aimlessly waiting for a barge to latch onto, nuf said? Huh?
Also, I’ve been meaning to ask you: Why do you reply to anything and everything I post with sarcastic anti-wit based on clear falsehoods? What about you being stupid is supposed to upset me? Just trying to evoke pity, I guess? If so, you’re done — I already know you’re a pitiful, depressed, enraged, cruel, bigoted old man sitting his dark (subsidized) apartment hoping he can have a least one meaningful relationship, even if only anonymously online, lashing out at everybody within reach for projected alcoholism. Get some help, and just keep trusting your vectors — they’ll be there for you when you need them. If you feel the urge, just dial up a vector, hopefully one that understand that Jews bring anti-semitism upon themselves, so you two can relate. Good luck, Macroman
Jeez pal, you are rather comical with your typos about typos, knee-jerk mockery, and, boy, talk about projection. Don’t you have some students to torment? Maybe you’re on the semester system and it’s binge time.
Your assertion of what someone else really meant was another example of your typical, boorish, behavior. You have no way of knowing he was thinking of barnacle larvae. Jelly fish tentacles will attach to anything they come in contact with, including anchor lines (I know I’ve pulled them with bare hands and felt their sting). I agree the barge was not the best analogy but barges always have a line, in the water, attaching them to something.
Ah, the vie and lust for power. If there were a word for our times it would be “unprecedented.” (and informally, “unpresidented”) Get your popcorn, it only gets more surreal from here.
Thank you for holding a light of reason, Glenn, in this blizzard of fuckery. We need you.
—
I’m a member of an ape-like race
At the asshole end of the twentieth century
This film’s a thriller of the mind
Will we destroy our homes, release ourselves from the
Weights of gravity?
I’ll be amazed if we survive
Low, low, low
This race to space
We’ll learn to release ourselves from the weights of gravity
Our highs are higher than our lows
This world’s a state of mind
I can hear your thoughts much too clearly
From slime to ape, we’ll learn to fly
Low, low, low
Oh, we’re so powerful
Watch these giants collide
So individual, will we ever find peace of mind?
Low, low, low
-James, Low Low Low
Good article. It’s crazy to see how off the deep end this has made Democrats go. Don’t trust the CIA.
Excellent, as ever. If journalists try to combat Trump’s almost pathological dishonesty with lies and fabricated news, we’ll lose ourselves in a fog of dishonesty. And that’s his territory.
Buzzfeed should go back to its tabloid corner and CNN should join Buzzfeed there. For me, it has reached a point where the only journalist I “believe” is Glenn Greenwald; it seems he is the only honest writer/commentator out there. Over the course of this last month or so, the so-called mainstream media have revealed the truth–not about Trump but about themselves. Very sad indeed.
No, you see, Glenn is a closeted right-wing Trump lover and a Putin stooge who hates America. You didn’t get the memo?
BTW, isn’t Brazil where lots of Nazis went to hide after the war? Just sayin’…
/s
What’s the point of your comment? That Glenn is a closeted Nazi?
Dude, you’re fucking brilliant. You’re the kind of asshole, that lost the democrats a gimme election. You people are useless, worthless pieces of shit. You’re so smart, you lost the election to a monkey with a 37% approval rating. You people couldn’t run an orgy in a whorehouse.
The “/s” at the end means he was being sarcastic. Although it truly is hard to tell without that indicator, most establishment Dems agree with this.
“/s” = i am letting you know that what precedes is sarcastic, because that is often difficult for people to pick up via plain text.
Did the warranty run out on your sarcasm detector? If not you might want to have it in for service.
I think you missed the sarcasm. He even tried to tag it at the end /S
Even I understood the sarcasm. Try the decaf.
sorry… apparently, i don’t know shit about comments section etiquette
heheheh
The Deep State is at war with more than Trump. They are at war with the election. They reject the voters and the outcome.
They wanted the Hillary Wars, and they still mean to force those.
They wanted to keep on looting our health care to the tune of twice our bloated defense budget, without any reforms of Obama’s roll over to that.
In short, they wanted Hillary. Then again, they are Obama’s political appointees.
Let’s see what happens when Obama and his appointees are gone.
Let’s see what happens when the access journalists no longer have those insiders for which to be megaphone.
Yes, indeed, they are at war with the election. They have nothing but contempt for the concept of a citizenry engaging in democracy.
It’s interesting that you call them Hillary supporters. The DNI/CIA/NSA/FBI report pretty much proved that. After all, they not only accused Trump of being a Russian puppet, but they also accused opponents of fracking (Hillary’s a big backer of fracking), third party voters (all blamed by Clinton supporters of costing her the election- with the possible exception of Neocon Evan McMullin), Occupy backers, opponents of police brutality, foes of Wall Street greed, defenders of civil liberties, and (last, but not least) those seeking “an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)”. So, the report’s not just going after Trump, but Bernie Sanders, Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, and Rand Paul- and everyone who thinks IS is a bigger threat than Russia. (Speaking of Rand Paul, remember the oppo documents giving the most coverage to his criticisms of Clinton’s foreign policy? Remember how they did not include him among the “Pied Pipers”?)
One hopes the new CIA and FBI directors will clean house and fight the real enemies.
Thanks again, Glenn. You’re one of the few sane voices that is fighting back against the insanity that has taken over this country. I still think the fact that Deep State’s media whores have worked themselves into such a tizzy over Trump suggests that members of Deep State are very afraid of him, still–for whatever reasons.
Thank you for focusing on the role of the intelligence community and CNN in all of this. The fact that intelligence told Trump and others that a document of this nature was being rather widely circulated around about him actually seems like a reasonable thing to tell the President-elect. CNN then presenting it as a huge scoop with the inference that intelligence only would have included it in a “top secret” briefing if it was true was just wrong.
Apologies for the IT so early in a new thread but this is significant. It appears Obama may have Chelsea Manning on a short list for a pardon:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/819190878191370240
This is great news, Pedinska! Please let it be so.
OT, not IT. :-s
PI, got my fyslexic dingers crossed. Toes too. This pardon would redeem a lot of sins. Not all, but a lot.
i’d hesitate to say “redeem” because i think obama’s pronouncements (iirc) helped convict manning in the first place, but it would be some measure of justice for an american hero.
I don’t believe it for a second. If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’s that Obama only does things for Obama. I can’t think of a single sacrifice he’s made for any person or group in the last 8 years that cost him anything politically or personally.
america is really a nasty shithole of a place
best be avoided
A brilliant, important piece that I hope will be read very widely. We are in such dangerous territory here.
People really need to look at our history to see what the CIA has done across the globe. If they think Abu Ghraib was bad, they really have no idea how much worse our intelligence agency’s actions have been for decades, how duplicitous, lawless, and stunningly vicious and violent.
They do what they want without restraint. Think of how the police who murder black men for no reason other than fear and hatred would act if they had free rein to indulge all of their dark impulses: that is the CIA.
By the way, there is an excellent film called A Very British Coup about the deep state’s efforts (with the CIA calling the shots) to undermine a PM, Harry Perkins, who is a socialist, and as part of his economic policy who engages with trade agreements, etc., with Russia. Towards the end of the film the PM says in a speech:
“There is a much more important issue at stake here than the future of Harry Perkins, steelworker from Sheffield. You the people must decide whether you prefer to be ruled by an elected government, or by people you’ve never heard of, people you’ve never voted for, people who remain quietly behind the scenes, generation after generation.”
Second to all of that. This is one of Glenn’s most important and spot on pieces. Whatever one thinks of the Democratic Party — and you and I don’t like it much at all — to see it’s most entrenched partisans and press embrace utter deceit and irrationality is deeply distressing. The nation can survive Trumpism, but not necessarily the second of two major political parties going down the road of sheer Orwellian insanity.
Right now, the U.S political climate has made it feel legitimately disorienting to be an invested and interested citizen committed to the public good. The world is upside down, and the CIA is doing what they do best-spreading war, fear, and mistrust, and undermining democracy. Who knew that they’d be doing it to their own country.
Too, too true!
“A Very British Coup” Yeah, saw the miniseies during the primaries last year. Highly recommended viewing.
When counter-evidence is brought forward, the press needs to be ready with a more sensationalistic unverified claim. The trick is to generate claims more quickly than they can be refuted. In the past, media companies believed they should avoid destroying their own credibility. But no one has credibility anymore – not the Deep State, the President or the media. So the key to pander to people’s prejudices, since a claim which confirms someone’s prior beliefs will always be believed, regardless of the source.
Surfing a large wave can harshly backfire too – unless you are skilled enough to keep riding the crest of the wave.
Very sage comment, Benito!
Oh, say it isn’t so!
Backfiring maneuvers maybe ought to go on the great seal of the US. And, where we sit – right this moment – might be reasonably traced to 2014, if not earlier. Conventional wisdom ought to be regulated as a Schedule II drug.
One bad decision followed by a cascade of poor choices, ostensibly, to mitigate the one preceding it, all riding on the wings of the butterfly effect….
Our principal institutions – the glue that is supposed to hold this country together – appear to be heavily dependent on some dangerously stupid people.
IMO, Corey Robin asks a couple of reasonable questions: https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/819205107602563072
I find it ironic that you question everything said about Russia supporting Trump because of an apparent lack of evidence yet blithely claim that the CIA backed Hillary. What do you base this on? Personal and public endorsements by FORMER officials. Nothing else. You have no credibility left Glenn.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
he bases it on actions by the cia and a knowledge of history, as well as personal and public endorsement by longtime cia officials, and just an acquaintance with the events of the past couple of months.
The difference is simple to understand. Allegations of support can be substantiated with analysis of interests. Not much more is needed. For example, if I claimed that Russia prefers Trump to Hillary, would anyone deny that? It’s easy to make that case.
Allegations of specific wrongdoing require more than that.
Paranoid question of the day:
What IF this is meant to backfire? :D
Oh, please never refer to that Gawker tripe as a “colleague”, I was nearly ill.
The damage being done to credible journalism is the real danger here, true, but as biting and and astute this warning is – it appears the crazed jellyfish will not recant.
If the media keeps rushing to cry wolf, they’re risking to desensitize the public if there is a true smoking gun.
Fake news from the start.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/archived-posts-prove-4chan-trolled-cia-trump-golden-shower-story-entire-russian-hack
Is it possible to read Chuck Schumer’s statement not as a threat against Trump and aligning himself with the IC; but rather as a warning to the public that this is where we at? All of us have to tread carefully/and we should not… This is giving him some serious benefit of the doubt
While I wholeheartedly endorse every bit of Glenn’s advice, it’s important to also note that it’s Trump’s behavior itself which gives these speculations most of their credibility. He, more than any other public figure I can think of, promotes conspiracy theories, fake news and salacious rumors. He picked a Russian decorated oligarch for Sec. of State, he promoted policies in opposition to generally accepted views without any stated rationale.
If Trump had, himself, established even a grain of credibility with the public then these accusations would be characterized far differently.
That’s almost completely wrong. This CIA-driven bullshit is not given credibility by Donald Trump. That’s done by a compliant media behaving as Greenwald documents.
Trump’s predilection for unwarranted conspiracy theories and so-called “fake news” is not remotely justification for the institutions of the Deep State to ply the electorate with lies and irrational narratives, all as boosted and promoted by our “free press.”
I don’t think you understood my point. What I’m suggesting is that public figures are always the subject of innuendo, fake news and conspiracy theories. Yes, you are correct, it’s not usually the deep state acting as the promoter of these attacks but that’s not the point.
The point I’m trying to make is that Donald Trump behavior itself gives these attacks their sticking power.
it’s the mighty wurlitzer that gives these attacks their sticking power.
Sticking power? To what possible end? This kind of crap has been out there since Trump became a real contender in the election. It has made no difference in the outcome. Why would it matter now?
This better be true.
There is no amount of “alleged” and “unverified” and “if true” distractions that will dig the media out of this ever deeper grave with Trump supporters if they can’t verify any of this. After openly taking sides in this election and then celebrating anonymous disclosures that have a preferred narrative their already wavering authority will be completely gone with all things Trump.
So what does it take to slur Trump in every major media outlet in 2017? Anonymous Russian sources whispering to an anonymous ex-intelligence official on the payroll of the Democrats. Political operatives would never use that system to discredit Trump with misinformation!
But of course the sources of this truth must be protected, first amendment and all. No need to expose them to the bright light of veracity. We can feel quite secure this is one secret the media will keep. The 4th estate needs to start taking seriously their own misuse of power for personal gain.
Put this in context with the latest anti-propaganda efforts (against foreign news outlets). The Intercept will become more important than ever.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-24/obama-signs-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act-law
It has been pointed out that Comey of the FBI did a fairly obvious interference right before the election against HRC and thus in favor of Trump. Isn’t he part of the Deep State?
The FBI wanted Trump to win, so it torpedoed his opponent 11 days before the election, thus enabling him to win. The CIA wanted Clinton to win, so it waited until after she lost to torpedo her opponent. The CIA is very crafty.
Wait, Gator90: There isn’t agreement in the Deep State? They couldn’t get together on one candidate? Then what kind of monolithic entity are we talking about?
Is it news to you that intelligence agencies are competitive bureaucracies that are often antagonistic toward one another and tend refrain from sharing intelligence that could put competing bureaucracies in a position of political advantage? Fairly common knowledge, I thought.
there have always been factions, in every party and every group. the fbi tended to back trump the doj and intel agencies clinton. seems like the fbi is getting back on board with the rest.
Deep State is just people who head up enduring centres of power. There is no boardroom, more like a confluence of interests. Who’s on top, who has influence, these things shift around as they do in group of humans.
It’s just monkeys IOW.
The agenda of the deep state goes beyond who wins or loses the election since, if you believe in the Deep State, the election winner is largely irrelevant except as a distraction to the voters. Maybe the CIA felt it was time to demonstrate they had the power to destroy a President, and they preferred to destroy Mr. Trump rather than Mrs. Clinton. The FBI assisted them by helping Mr. Trump to get elected.
Exit polling doesn’t show significant voter influence, or even voters knowing about the Comey letter.
Any consumer of mainstream media was well aware of the Comey letter, which dominated the news for the last 10 days of the campaign. A period during which most late-deciding voters broke for Trump. You may think that a coincidence; I do not.
Face it Gator, your guy lost to a ham sandwich because, for a year or more, she lied about the emails she had everywhere. If Hillary had better friends than the Wieners the FBI would have never found the last batch.
Trump is a ham sandwich? Perhaps I’ve been remiss in ignoring the kashrut.
Not sure that’s particularly helpful, since Hillary didn’t lose because democrats suddenly switched to Trump. She lost because democrats didn’t show up as expected and thus wouldn’t have been counted on any sort of exit poll.
As someone who had a friend say they didn’t vote because of the renewed investigation, it’s impossible to say that the Comey letter had no effect on the result. It’s also impossible to say Comey didn’t intend for it to have an effect, or to somehow divorce the lack of tangible evidence of a consequence from his intention.
The other thing people tend to forget about the Comey letter is how effectively it buried the “pussy-grabbing” scandal, which up to then had been the biggest news story of the campaign. Comey took attention away from Trump’s biggest negative (his history of sexual assault) and focused it on Clinton’s biggest negative (the perception of her as corrupt and untrustworthy).
Given the timing of the Comey letter, the sustained intensity of the media coverage it received, and the closeness of the election, the notion that the letter was not outcome-determinative is in my view highly implausible.
“the perception of her as corrupt and untrustworthy”
That perception was there long before Comey’s last letter, which was icing on the cake.
The out-come determinative was the DNC torpedoing Bernie, in my opinion.
“The out-come determinative was the DNC torpedoing Bernie, in my opinion.”
Agreed. That did it for me.
and yet clinton still should have been indicted, and she wasn’t. that had an effect on the election, too.
Comey testified, under oath, to the House Oversight Committee after his unprecedented press conference in which he said (paraphrasing), “HRC flagrantly violated basically all the laws concerning safeguarding classified information, but I’m going to publically tell my boss not to prosecute, you know, because.” Chaffetz, Gowdy, etc. wiped the floor with him and extracted a legally binding representation that he would immediately inform the Committee upon any new evidence being discovered, a reopening of the case, etc. He complied with this when a seperate investigation revealed a cache of HRC emails on the computer of a sex-addicted sexter to children that was married to HRC’s top aide. Comey did not “obviously interfere,” he covered his ass on an issue that had been and would continue to be a top story and that he stood to lose everything on should Chaffetz get wind of it from someone other than him. He was careful to say (paraphrasing) “all I am saying is there is more to look at. I am not saying there is anything important or relevant.” Not sure how he could have used a lighter touch. Furthermore, he didn’t release it publically, the Committee members did.
Blame Comey if you want, but you’re just faulting everyone else for HRC’s criminality and tawdry associations. She’s lucky she’s not in jail. An honest FBI director (not a member of the deep state) would have, uh, interfered quite a bit more.
If you ever want to discuss any comment of mine with someone else, I would greatly appreciate being quoted verbatim, because you suck at paraphrasing.
Rest at ease, you’ll never make a comment worth discussing.
Ha. From time to time some of my comments are actually discussed here, but if your “paraphrasing” of Comey is any indication of your comprehension skills, you probably wouldn’t know that.
Why don’t you just correct me, then, Gator?Maybe point out an error, or provide your own paraphrasing, maybe? I represented my understanding in good faith, and I am happy to be corrected if I misrepresented the situation. No need to be a complete dick about it all day. “You suck!” “You have no comprehension!” Great points, Gator. Very clever. Hilarious, even.
“in which he said (paraphrasing), ” ”
Why did you use double-quotation for your “paraphrasing”?
Your ability to attribute comments is lacking.
Sometimes I make typos. Actually typed that one my phone. Anyway, I know I can rely on your polite patience and understanding to eventually forgive me.
“Actually typed that one my phone. ”
I figure you always wanted to be an English teacher but your bourgeois parents pushed you towards Financial Alchemy … selling lead as gold.
I’ll speak in whatever manner I see fit. Your constant harping on succinct, to-the-point incomplete sentences, common in yoiur professed profession (which I suspect is a bit of a fib, given you’re demonstrably retarded, see: comments from yesterday), just shows what your life has come to: trying to troll some person on the internet that you despise for pointing out what an embarrassment your comments are. I am honored to have such a dedicated troll, don’t get me wrong, but you’re making such a mess of it that I’m wondering if I should really feel so proud. Your stupidity is underming our heretofore wonderful relationship, nuf said! Get it together.
“Once my uncle told me Jews were bad. That settled that!” — nuf said, expertly paraphrased by Macroman
You really should be more careful with your use of quotes when paraphrasing as it makes you appear even more petty and vindictive than usual. You seem particularly sensitive to the issue of Jewish terrorist hangings of RAF soldiers less than one year after the British liberated death camps. How do the events my uncle witnessed in 1946 come into play here?
So … a display of aggression followed by some good-old projection. Why am I not surprised. You mock me as an engineer but, well, you also believe if we just build it – it will sell …
Perhaps if you understood the physical world enough to describe it mathematically you would not make such a fool of yourself. “Vector Algebra” as you say mockingly, involves Vector Methods (or simply, Vector Math). If you scroll down to the bit about “5. Rectangular coordinates in 3-D” you will see how we describe physical objects like buildings. Check it out, no calculus involved.
This is a response to both your responses (since you can’t ever seem to to reply in one comment, for obvious reasons).
Spot on, nuf said. This is exactly the question readers of half your comments ask themselves. This actually reminds me of a story about my uncle. One time, my uncle and I went out to eat. While waiting for a table, a lady sauntered over from the bar area and started flirting with my uncle. “What do you do?,” she asked. “Bout what?,” he replied. Ergo, Jews did 9/11. (aside: I hope you’re spotting all the typos. This is important work you’re doing!)
Moving on…
What???? Where?!?
Having legitimately accused you of projection (you have literally accused over a dozen people here of being drunk, drunk), you respond with “you’re doing projection, Macroman!” I know you are but what am I! A classic, but a little schoolyard. I know(!), how about, “You have the personality of a damp towel.” — Your favorite! Could have used that one. Oh well, next time.
No, never. I am mocking you, just you (this is a repeated mistake from you today — you really think I would mock vectors or engineers?). I have great respect for engineers. I don’t respect people that say they are (were?) engineers and can’t divide.
You are repeating some bastardized version of Say’s law — what for? What the fuck are you talking about? Can you reference anything I ever said that amounts to that? Nooooo. (Did I misspell that?)
Haha, wait for it.
Again, to clarify, I’m mocking you, not math.
I earned a B.S. (summa) in physics, mathematics, and economics. I then went on to a PhD in econ. Both degrees are from Ivy League schools. During my time as a grad student, a famous professor at my school, an econometrician, came up with two new heteroskedasticity-consistent estimators for time-series panel data. Based on my conversations with him and my standing as by far the best metrics student in my year, I helped him shorten the consistency proofs as much as possible for publication, earning myself credit as a coauthor. I then went on to publish more peer-reviewed papers solely concerning mathematics than you have teeth. I did all this while you were stewing about your failed career at HP. But your link should be a great supplement to all that, thanks much!
Who the fuck cares if there was calculus? We don’t even accept masters students that aren’t through calc III and linear algebra, then we teach them more math. Pull up any econ department website, “check it out!”
You’re repeating yourself.
Don’t you have some Jews to torment?
Bingo! Got one!
(i) I know what he meant (see below). (ii) It would just be “typical boorish behavior,” (no commas), and just to clarify, is this where I get my feelings hurt?
Barges in motion have a line to at least one tug, they do not necessarily “always have a line, in the water.” I grew up next to the Mississippi — why don’t you look at some pictures, maybe?
This is how I know he did NOT mean jelly fish. Jelly fish, as a species/by definition/in all cases, are free-swimming, self-propelled animals. They do not float “aimlessly.” Not in the Pacific Northwest, not in the Gulf, not in the Atlantic. (Is that a sentence, nuf said?) They only float “aimlessly” in your empty head. You’ve been stung, and I recognize that makes you an expert, but for fuck’s sake he meant barnacles, dumbass.
You can put that little tidbit in the “do not respond” portion of your comments — you never address/admit your errors. You STILL haven’t admitted that you said “vetted” and yet I get told that I “make such a fool of [my]self.” Was that thing you kept bringing up…riiight, “projection.” Need I remind you that you also told me that that the only reason I didn’t agree that Snowden vets articles here is because I didn’t understand logic, specifically “temporal logic?” Care to walk that one back on three axes? I’ll take your silence as devastation.
“If it weren’t for the Jews, we could all just pick mushrooms and do vector math all day. [waving fist] Fucking Jews!” — nuf said, paraphrased by Macroman but still in quotes because Jews
Sorry — I realized that, since I brought up my own math credentials, it’s only fair to point out that nuf said also has his own contribution to mathematics. It is an original proof:
“Free fall” –> forces along X axis perfectly offsetting & forces along Y axis perfectly offsetting –> Jews did 9/11. Q.E.D.
CIA coup led by CIA President Barack Obama in progress. Will it succeed.
Note the timing – right after Obama’s great legacy and warning speech and scheduled to destroy Trump’s press conference.
And right after Jeff Sessions hinted at Hillary’s continuing investigation because no one is above the law. The Hillary trove and digging into her emails, conduct and corruption will ensnare both Obama and the deep state. Hence the effort to blackmail Trump.
Meanwhile Obama will hide his records for 12 years. Why is this order legal?
If Democrats are going to crawl into the sewer, let them crawl all the way in and wallow there. Let them become so plainly loathsome that every principled voter will conclude that Bernie Sanders was mistaken to run within their party. That way the next Bernie Sanders will know to run as an independent.
The point of claiming that President Obama wasn’t born in the US is to hamstring his agenda and throw a little red meat to the partisans. It makes perfect strategic sense.
Oh sorry. I was commenting on a different article.
The fact that it is true will become obvious soon enough when Obama drops his taqiyya mask and campaigns for the position of Secretary-General of the United Nations.
And don’t hand me any nonsense that he’s “ineligible.”
The rule of law does not apply to him because racism.
Progressives and unions and workers are not cheering the spook gangs.
The cheering is coming from the same corrupt Dem Establishment which cheated us out of President “Stadiums” Bernie in a failed attempt to select Mrs Half A Waffle Shop. It’s the same corrupt Dem Establishment that brought us endless war, endless spying, broke the promise of Single Payer to force us all into RomneyCare, and almost had us trapped in TPP and TTIP.
The Dem Establishment has not only failed to accept responsibility but is still digging itself deeper into the hole it created.
Spot. Fucking. On.
Someone besides me needs to point out the report’s attacks on various liberal positions and policies. After all, Trump is not a fan of Occupy, is a big fan of Wall Street greed, a fan of brutal police, and is a fan of fracking.
It’s absolutely unbelievable that a sitting Senator would have tacitly encouraged the undermining, or worse, outright overthrow of democratically elected officials by our out-of-control intelligence agency. What is Schumer thinking?
And these are some of the same people who point to the specter of the KGB as one of the greatest threats to America today! I greatly disagree with Trump on many things, but perhaps his plan to cut the CIA down to size and clean out the Washington brain trust responsible for so many lies and disasters isn’t a bad one.
You’re right, Glenn, this isn’t evidence enough. However, I have a gut-feeling telling me that these allegations are indeed true and that one day we will see this terrible video of Trump and the prostitutes in the hotel room.
Yet, your opinion is correct: it was probably wrong to publish this.
why would trump care? it’s like that indonesian leader (sukarno iirc) who laughed when the kgb tried to blackmail him with films of his encounters with prostitutes.
Your prediction about blowback is certainly possible. However, I still relish Trump being hoist on his own petard.
So you have no compunctions or fears about a renegade government. Let’s just hope it’s never turned on you or your preferred candidate or group. It sounds like basically you’re an unprincipled totalitarian at heart.
I fear what will happen in American under the coming Trump presidency. He is pathological. His ruling cabal is terrifying. There is a very great possibility that Trump will institute totalitarian measures to deal with dissent. Whoever “Virginia Ham” is, you have no idea how non-totalitarian I am at heart.
Kate-
Glenn’s whole article is meant to bolster your spirits and remind you that no one need panic about any POTUS- IF we use the constitutional protections available to us.
Hate sounding like an old fuddy-duddy, but when I read reactions like yours, it suggests a broad ignorance of our truly amazing governmental design.
Perhaps you now understand why some conservatives complain at the excessive use of executive actions. Treaties, trade and significant economic policy needs to be codified or we end up with a tumultuous national climate– and the dooming sense you described when governance (you approved of) created by fiat ends abruptly, by fiat, by a person you don’t support.
This is NOT “Trump’s petard.” Did you even read the article? This is the Deep State’s CIA, the institutional, unelected factions that — to a horrible extent –have long been running this country.
The CIA, as Greenwald knows and says, is defined by deceit and manipulation. For reasons of it’s own it detests Donald Trump and is applying its power and enormous capacity for lies — and promoting its bullshit with a compliant media — to undermining a president-elect it detest. In his widest dreams, Trump could not marshal such resources and power.
To embrace this is to adopt a cure much worse than the Trump disease.
Wow. Let me clarify which petard I was addressing: the use of obviously fake data against Trump. His support group is expert at the use of fake data — as are many on the Far Right. We’ve seen a pattern of absolute fabrication by both extremes in the run up to this election. This is a case of that technique being used against the beneficiary of that technique.
So you’re saying “the end justifies the means.”
So if a candidate used fake news than it’s justifiable for the press itself to use fake news to take him down, in the process destroying their own credibility. Okay then.
what fake data did trump’s support group use? please don’t bring up the bs about russian hacking.
All the ridiculous HRC killed people? Does that work for you? The right wing nuts have been after her for decades. Pernicious illnesses? Jesus the list is endless.
so you admit the emails aren’t fake? that’s what i was getting at. trump wasn’t behind the ridiculous clinton death count propaganda, if that’s what you are talking about, although some of his supporters no doubt believe it. the emails, both their content and the fact that clinton illegally conducted state department business at home on a poorly protected network, are not on a par with the standard right wing smears you allude to. nor is pointing out that clinton is a warmonger who has been partly responsible for thousands of deaths. those people in libya and syria and the ukraine are real, and some of them are dead because of her.
” HRC killed people? … Pernicious illnesses?”
Libya … alcohol … Goldman …
I don’t know if the list is endless; it just seems like it is.
Have you seriously already forgotten about the whole “birther” thing?
i’m talking about the alleged russian hack and alleged stolen or compromised election, not trump lies about obama.
I agree that it’s not “his own petard.” It’s just one of similar design.
I wonder if the IC and these anti-Trump outfits realize that by publishing fake news and unsubstantiated scandals about him that they are actually creating sympathy for the bastard as well as losing their already frayed credibility.
I should add that it’s frightening to see the machinations happening in the highest reaches of our unelected governmental branches and a press that is conjoined with that corruption.
Frightening to learn that one can be blackmailed by one’s own government and a media that is its willing accomplice.
In my fevered imagination, I wonder if sympathy for Trump is really what “they” are after.