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KSM cable C06718676
Sep. 10, 2019
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INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKH MUHAMMAD
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ATMOSPHERICS:
NONE, FYI.
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A. ON □ APRIL 2003,
( (KHALID SHAYKH MUHAMMAD))(KSM) WAS
INTERROGATED/DEBRIEFED BY HVT INTERROGATO
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TO: DIRECTOR
FROM:
SUBJECT: EYES ONLY - □ APRIL 2003
INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKH MUHAMMAD
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SUBJECT:
EYES ONLY - □ APRIL 2003 INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKH(b)(3) CIAAct
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DIRECTo
DIREcTo
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TEXT:
1.
ACTION REQUIRED:
2.
ATMOSPHERICS:
NONE, FYI.
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A. ON □ APRIL 2003,
( (KHALID SHAYKH MUHAMMAD))(KSM) WAS
INTERROGATED/DEBRIEFED BY HVT INTERROGATO
ALEC
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS I
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Approved for Release: 2018/03/28 C06718676
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B. KSM WASQUESTIONEDON INFORMATIONABOUTILYAS FERRIS, JOSE
PADIA, AND THE HAMBALLIGROUP.
3.
ENHANCEDMEASURES: NONE.
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4. ASSESSMENT: AS NOTEDIN THE APRIL
REPORT, IN CONTRAST
TO OUR INITIAL FORAY'S FROMINTERROGATIONAS WE TRANSITION TO
DEBRIEFING, KSM'S PRODUCTIVITYHAS IMPROVED. HE ENGAGESIN DESIRED
ATTENTIONTO DETAIL, UNSOLICITED CLARIFICATIONS, AND RELATIVELY
UNGUARDED
DIALOGUE. HE CONTINUESTO MAKEPROGRESSTOWARD
A
SATISFACTORYDEBRIEFING COMPORTMENT.
A.
NOTE: THE FOLLOWINGINTERACTIONBETWEENKSMAND HIS
INTERROGATORIS INCLUDEDBECAUSEIT IS CONSIDEREDHELPFUL IN TERMSOF
PROVIDING A "BEHAVIORALAND ATTITUDINALSLICE" OF HIS CURRENT
INTERROGATIONSTATUS AND PROGRESS. FOLLOWINGHIS LAST DEBRIEFING
SESSION TODAYKSMASKED THE HVTI INTERROGATOR
IF HE (KSM) WASMAKING
PROGRESSIN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONSHIS INTERROGATORS
HAD DESCRIBED
TO HIM WHICH.AREINDICATIVE OF PROGRESS. THE INTERROGATOR
TOOK THIS
OPPORTUNITYTO REINFORCE KSM'S CONDITIONINGBY REVIEWINGTHE
INTERROGATIONRULES WHICHWERE INITIALLY GIVEN TO HIM AND HIS
EXPECTEDBEHAVIOR. KSM WASREMINDED: 1. THE PURPOSEOF HIS
INTERROGATIONIS NOT PUNISHMENTRATHERIT IS TO ELICIT INFORMATION,
2. INTERROGATIONIS BASED ON HARDJUSTICE BUT JUSTICE NONE THE LESS,
3. HE HAS CONTROLOF HIS TREATMENTIN THE SENSE THAT HE DETERMINES
THE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVEDIRECTION THIS TREATMENT
WILL TAKE BASED ON
HIS BEHAVIOR, 4. INTERROGATORS
WILL NOT USE GRATUITOUSVIOLENCE,
TRICKERY, OR DECEPTIONAND THEY WILL DO PRECISELY WHATTHEY HAVETOLD
HIM THEY WILL DO AND ENFORCEIMMEDIATECONSEQUENCES(POSITIVE OR
NEGATIVE) BASED ON HIS COMPORTMENT
AND PERCEIVED VERACITY, 5. HE WILL
NOT BE PUNISHED FOR TELLING THE TRUTHEVEN WHENTHE TRUTH CONSISTS OF
OPERATIONS, ASPIRATIONS, INTENTIONS, OR SENTIMENTSAGAINST THE US, 6.
NO MATTERHOWMUCHPROGRESSHE HAS MADESHOULDHE CHOOSENOT TO BE
HONESTOR PRODUCTIVEHIS STATUS WILL IMMEDIATELYREVERSEAND IF NOT
CORRECTEDHE WILL FIND HIM SELF IN THE SAMEOR WORSECONDITIONSTHAN
THOSE HE HAS EXPERIENCEDHERE TO FORE. KSMASSUREDTHE INTERROGATOR
HE UNDERSTOOD
THIS AND INTENDEDTO BE TRUTHFUL. AT THAT POINT KSM
STATEDHE WAS CONCERNED
ABOUTTHE INTERROGATORS
JUDGMENTOF HIS
PROGRESSAND ASK IF IT HAD IMPROVED(NOTE: IMMEDIATELYPRECEDINGKSMS
ADMISSION TO THE KILLING OF DANIEL PEARL ON THEDOF
APRIL HE HAD
ASKED THE INTERROGATOR
ABOUTHIS PROGRESSAND THE INTERROGATOR
HAD
REPLIED ON A SCALE OF 1-100, 1 BEING COMPLETELYDISHONESTAND 100
COMPLETELYHONEST, HE VACILLATEDBETWEEN50 AND 60. KSM WAS
DISTRESSED AT THIS ASSESSMENTAND SHORTLYTHERE AFTER HAD DISCLOSED
TO THE INTERROGATOR
AND DEBRIEFER HIS COMPLICITY IN THE PEARL
KILLING). KSM WASTOLD OVER THE PAST THREE DAYS HIS COMPORTMENT
AND
THE INFORMATIONHE HAD PROVIDEDWASSOMEWHAT
IMPROVEDFROMTHE
ESTIMATE GIVEN HIM EARLIER. AT THIS POINT THE INTERROGATOR
EXPLAINED
TO KSM THE INTERROGATIONAND DEBRIEFING PROCESS DESCRIBING EACH PHASE
(INTERROGATION,TRANSITION, AND DEBRIEFING), KSM WASTOLD HE WAS
CURRENTLYMAKINGPROGRESSACROSS THIS CONTINUUM
BUT COULDIMMEDIATELY
BE RETURNEDTO HIS INITIAL INTERROGATIONPHASE AT ANY TIME DEPENDING
Approved for Release: 2018/03/28 C06718676
(b )( 1)
(b)(3)
CIAAct
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NatSecAct
Approved for Release: 2018/03/28 C06718676
B. KSM WASQUESTIONEDON INFORMATIONABOUTILYAS FERRIS, JOSE
PADIA, AND THE HAMBALLIGROUP.
3.
ENHANCEDMEASURES: NONE.
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(b )(3) NatSecAct
D
4. ASSESSMENT: AS NOTEDIN THE APRIL
REPORT, IN CONTRAST
TO OUR INITIAL FORAY'S FROMINTERROGATIONAS WE TRANSITION TO
DEBRIEFING, KSM'S PRODUCTIVITYHAS IMPROVED. HE ENGAGESIN DESIRED
ATTENTIONTO DETAIL, UNSOLICITED CLARIFICATIONS, AND RELATIVELY
UNGUARDED
DIALOGUE. HE CONTINUESTO MAKEPROGRESSTOWARD
A
SATISFACTORYDEBRIEFING COMPORTMENT.
A.
NOTE: THE FOLLOWINGINTERACTIONBETWEENKSMAND HIS
INTERROGATORIS INCLUDEDBECAUSEIT IS CONSIDEREDHELPFUL IN TERMSOF
PROVIDING A "BEHAVIORALAND ATTITUDINALSLICE" OF HIS CURRENT
INTERROGATIONSTATUS AND PROGRESS. FOLLOWINGHIS LAST DEBRIEFING
SESSION TODAYKSMASKED THE HVTI INTERROGATOR
IF HE (KSM) WASMAKING
PROGRESSIN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONSHIS INTERROGATORS
HAD DESCRIBED
TO HIM WHICH.AREINDICATIVE OF PROGRESS. THE INTERROGATOR
TOOK THIS
OPPORTUNITYTO REINFORCE KSM'S CONDITIONINGBY REVIEWINGTHE
INTERROGATIONRULES WHICHWERE INITIALLY GIVEN TO HIM AND HIS
EXPECTEDBEHAVIOR. KSM WASREMINDED: 1. THE PURPOSEOF HIS
INTERROGATIONIS NOT PUNISHMENTRATHERIT IS TO ELICIT INFORMATION,
2. INTERROGATIONIS BASED ON HARDJUSTICE BUT JUSTICE NONE THE LESS,
3. HE HAS CONTROLOF HIS TREATMENTIN THE SENSE THAT HE DETERMINES
THE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVEDIRECTION THIS TREATMENT
WILL TAKE BASED ON
HIS BEHAVIOR, 4. INTERROGATORS
WILL NOT USE GRATUITOUSVIOLENCE,
TRICKERY, OR DECEPTIONAND THEY WILL DO PRECISELY WHATTHEY HAVETOLD
HIM THEY WILL DO AND ENFORCEIMMEDIATECONSEQUENCES(POSITIVE OR
NEGATIVE) BASED ON HIS COMPORTMENT
AND PERCEIVED VERACITY, 5. HE WILL
NOT BE PUNISHED FOR TELLING THE TRUTHEVEN WHENTHE TRUTH CONSISTS OF
OPERATIONS, ASPIRATIONS, INTENTIONS, OR SENTIMENTSAGAINST THE US, 6.
NO MATTERHOWMUCHPROGRESSHE HAS MADESHOULDHE CHOOSENOT TO BE
HONESTOR PRODUCTIVEHIS STATUS WILL IMMEDIATELYREVERSEAND IF NOT
CORRECTEDHE WILL FIND HIM SELF IN THE SAMEOR WORSECONDITIONSTHAN
THOSE HE HAS EXPERIENCEDHERE TO FORE. KSMASSUREDTHE INTERROGATOR
HE UNDERSTOOD
THIS AND INTENDEDTO BE TRUTHFUL. AT THAT POINT KSM
STATEDHE WAS CONCERNED
ABOUTTHE INTERROGATORS
JUDGMENTOF HIS
PROGRESSAND ASK IF IT HAD IMPROVED(NOTE: IMMEDIATELYPRECEDINGKSMS
ADMISSION TO THE KILLING OF DANIEL PEARL ON THEDOF
APRIL HE HAD
ASKED THE INTERROGATOR
ABOUTHIS PROGRESSAND THE INTERROGATOR
HAD
REPLIED ON A SCALE OF 1-100, 1 BEING COMPLETELYDISHONESTAND 100
COMPLETELYHONEST, HE VACILLATEDBETWEEN50 AND 60. KSM WAS
DISTRESSED AT THIS ASSESSMENTAND SHORTLYTHERE AFTER HAD DISCLOSED
TO THE INTERROGATOR
AND DEBRIEFER HIS COMPLICITY IN THE PEARL
KILLING). KSM WASTOLD OVER THE PAST THREE DAYS HIS COMPORTMENT
AND
THE INFORMATIONHE HAD PROVIDEDWASSOMEWHAT
IMPROVEDFROMTHE
ESTIMATE GIVEN HIM EARLIER. AT THIS POINT THE INTERROGATOR
EXPLAINED
TO KSM THE INTERROGATIONAND DEBRIEFING PROCESS DESCRIBING EACH PHASE
(INTERROGATION,TRANSITION, AND DEBRIEFING), KSM WASTOLD HE WAS
CURRENTLYMAKINGPROGRESSACROSS THIS CONTINUUM
BUT COULDIMMEDIATELY
BE RETURNEDTO HIS INITIAL INTERROGATIONPHASE AT ANY TIME DEPENDING
Approved for Release: 2018/03/28 C06718676
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ON HIS BEHAVIOR, DAMNINGINFORMATIONRECEIVED FROMINTELLIGENCE
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SOURCES, OR ADMISSIONS FROMOTHER DETAINEES. HE WASCAUTIONEDNEVER(b)(3) CIAAct
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AND IT WAS FURTHEREXPLAINEDTO HIM THAT EVEN (b )(3) NatSecAct
DURINGTHE MONTHSOF DEBRIEFINGS WHICHARE TO FOLLOWTHIS SAME
CONSEQUENCE
WOULDBE ENFORCEDIF INDICATED. KSMAGAIN REITERATEDHIS
INTENT TO TELL THE TRUTH. HE THEN ASKED IF IT WAS "TOO EARLY" TO ASK
ABOUTWRITING A LETTER TO HIS FAMILY. THE INTERROGATOR
TOLD HIM THl(b)(1)
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REPLIED HE DID NOT
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WITH THE INTERROGATO~b)(1 )
ADMONISHINGKSM THAT HIS BEST COURSEOF ACTION WASTO WORK
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EFFECTIVELY WITH HIS INTERROGATORS
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PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATIONHE HAD.
5.
PLANS: CONTINUETO DEBRIEF, DECONFLICTPREVIOUSLYPROVIDED
INCONSISTENCIES, AND INTRODUCEADDITIONALDEBRIEFERS IN ORDERTO
ASSESS HIS ADAPTABILITYAND WILLINGNESSTO SUSTAIN PRODUCTIVE
BEHAVIORIN FUTUREDEBRIEFINGS.
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ON HIS BEHAVIOR, DAMNINGINFORMATIONRECEIVED FROMINTELLIGENCE
(b)(1)
SOURCES, OR ADMISSIONS FROMOTHER DETAINEES. HE WASCAUTIONEDNEVER(b)(3) CIAAct
TO BECOMECOMPLACENT
AND IT WAS FURTHEREXPLAINEDTO HIM THAT EVEN (b )(3) NatSecAct
DURINGTHE MONTHSOF DEBRIEFINGS WHICHARE TO FOLLOWTHIS SAME
CONSEQUENCE
WOULDBE ENFORCEDIF INDICATED. KSMAGAIN REITERATEDHIS
INTENT TO TELL THE TRUTH. HE THEN ASKED IF IT WAS "TOO EARLY" TO ASK
ABOUTWRITING A LETTER TO HIS FAMILY. THE INTERROGATOR
TOLD HIM THl(b)(1)
MAYNEVER BE A POSSIBILITY AND THAT IT WASTOO EARLYTO MAKESUCH 1(b)(3) CIAAct
REQUEST. KSM CONTINUED, EXPRESSING CONCERNABOUT~------(b)(3)
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HE ASKED IF THE
INTERROGATOR
HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE
OF
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THE INTERROGATOR
REPLIED HE DID NOT
KNOWTHIS INFORMATION.THE DIALOGUECONCLUDED
WITH THE INTERROGATO~b)(1 )
ADMONISHINGKSM THAT HIS BEST COURSEOF ACTION WASTO WORK
(b)(3) CIAAct
EFFECTIVELY WITH HIS INTERROGATORS
AND DEBRIEFERS TO TRUTHFULLY (b)(3) NatSecAct
PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATIONHE HAD.
5.
PLANS: CONTINUETO DEBRIEF, DECONFLICTPREVIOUSLYPROVIDED
INCONSISTENCIES, AND INTRODUCEADDITIONALDEBRIEFERS IN ORDERTO
ASSESS HIS ADAPTABILITYAND WILLINGNESSTO SUSTAIN PRODUCTIVE
BEHAVIORIN FUTUREDEBRIEFINGS.
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CIAAct
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