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KSM cable C06718741
Sep. 10, 2019
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DATE: □ MAR 03
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INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKHMUHAMMAD
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EYES ONLY - □ MARCH 2003
MUHAMMAD
A.
DIRECTOR
B.
DIRECTOR
INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKH
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TEXT:
1.
ACTION REQUIRED:
2.
SUMMARY:
NONE, FYI.
ON □ MARCH2003
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( (KHALID SHAYKHMUHAMMAD))(KSM)
WAS DEBRIEFED BY ALEC TOYER~----KSM CONTINUED PROVIDING
INFORMATION IN AN EASY CONVERSATIONALMANNER, INCLUDING INFORMATION
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Approved for Release: 2018/03/28 C06718741
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(b)(3) CIAAct
(b )(3) NatSecAct
DATE: □ MAR 03
TO: DIRECTOR
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b)(3) NatSecAct
SUBJECT: EYES ONLY
- □ MARCH
INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKHMUHAMMAD
2003
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EYES ONLY - □ MARCH 2003
MUHAMMAD
A.
DIRECTOR
B.
DIRECTOR
INTERROGATION OF KHALID SHAYKH
(b )( 1)___
-----.
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b )(3) NatSecAct
TEXT:
1.
ACTION REQUIRED:
2.
SUMMARY:
NONE, FYI.
ON □ MARCH2003
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b )(3) NatSecAct
( (KHALID SHAYKHMUHAMMAD))(KSM)
WAS DEBRIEFED BY ALEC TOYER~----KSM CONTINUED PROVIDING
INFORMATION IN AN EASY CONVERSATIONALMANNER, INCLUDING INFORMATION
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(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b )(3) NatSecAct
Approved for Release: 2018/03/28 C06718741
ON THE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAM
OF AL-QA'IDA. ALTHOUGH
HE APPEARED
RELUCTANTTO GIVE THE WHOLE, UNVARNISHED
STORY, KSMMADEFORWARD
PROGRESS. WE EXPECT MOREDETAILS WITH FURTHERDEBRIEFINGS OF
SUBJECT.
I
3.
ATMOSPHERICS:
A.
ON □ MARCH2003,
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b)(3) NatSecAct
( (KHALID SHAYKHMUHAMMAD)) (KSM) WAS
(b )( 1)
INTERROGATED/DEBRIEFED
BY HVT INTERROGATORS'-----------~
(b)(3) CIAAct
WITH ALEC SUBJECT MATTER
(b )(3) NatSecAct
EXPERT~!
______
~[As DEBRIEFER. KSMAPPEAREDEVEN MORERELAXED
DURINGTHE SEVERALSESSIONS OF THIS DAY, SMILING BROADLYAT
INTERROGATOR
WHENTHE FIRST SESSION BEGAN. KSM'S PREVIOUS TIREDNESS (b )( 1)
APPEAREDTO HAVE RESOLVEDSOMEWHAT,AND HE REMAINEDMOSTLYALERT
(b)(3) CIAAct
DURING THE SESSIONS.
(b)(3) NatSecAct
B. KSM PROVIDEDINFORMATIONON THE AL-QA'IDA WEAPONSOF MASS
DESTRUCTION(WMD)PROGRAM. HE SPECIFICALLY PROVIDEDINFORMATIONON
THE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAM
AND HOWIT WASA ·
(b )( 1)
CLOSELY-HELDSECRET IN AL-QA'IDA.
(REPORTEDIN INTEL) KSM CONTINUED (b)(3) CIAAct
TO PROVIDE MOSTLYCOMPLETEINFORMATIONIN RESPONSETO QUESTIONS.
(b)(3) NatSecAct
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(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b)(3) NatSecAct
D. KSM RECEIVED PANTS AND A SHIRT TO WEARAT THE CONCLUSIONOF
THE FIRST SESSION. HE SUBSEQUENTLY
APPEAREDMORERELAXEDDURINGTHE
NEXT DEBRIEFING SESSION. HIS SPEECH BECAMEMUCHMORECONVERSATIONAL,
AND HE SEEMEDTO RELISH THE INTERACTIONWITH DEBRIEFER. HE CONTINUED
TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF WHENHE CLAIMEDHE DID NOT HAVESPECIFIC
INFORMATIONABOUTA SUBJECT.
E. IN A POIGNANTMOMENT,INTERROGATOR
CAUGHTA SMALLFROG WHICH
HAD JUMPED FROMTHE DRAIN IN KSM'S CELL AND ASKED IF KSM WANTEDIT
TAKENOUTSIDE. KSM SAID, "NO, NO. LET IT STAY," AND ASKEDTHAT THE
FROG BE PUT BACK IN THE DRAIN.
F. AT THE END OF THE DAY, INTERROGATORS
AGAIN EXPLAINEDTHE
FACTS OF LIFE TO KSM, POINTING OUT THE CREATURECOMFORTSHE HAD
GAINED THROUGHHIS APPARENTDECISION TO TELL THE TRUTH.
INTERROGATORS
REMINDEDKSMHE WOULDLOSE ALL HIS COMFORTSAND GO BACK
TO BAD CONDITIONS IF HE FAILED TO BE TOTALLYFORTHCOMING
OR WAS
CAUGHTLYING. KSM INDICATED HE UNDERSTOOD
COMPLETELY,AND EMPHASIZED
THAT HE DID NOT WANTTO GO BACKWARDS.
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ON THE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAM
OF AL-QA'IDA. ALTHOUGH
HE APPEARED
RELUCTANTTO GIVE THE WHOLE, UNVARNISHED
STORY, KSMMADEFORWARD
PROGRESS. WE EXPECT MOREDETAILS WITH FURTHERDEBRIEFINGS OF
SUBJECT.
I
3.
ATMOSPHERICS:
A.
ON □ MARCH2003,
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b)(3) NatSecAct
( (KHALID SHAYKHMUHAMMAD)) (KSM) WAS
(b )( 1)
INTERROGATED/DEBRIEFED
BY HVT INTERROGATORS'-----------~
(b)(3) CIAAct
WITH ALEC SUBJECT MATTER
(b )(3) NatSecAct
EXPERT~!
______
~[As DEBRIEFER. KSMAPPEAREDEVEN MORERELAXED
DURINGTHE SEVERALSESSIONS OF THIS DAY, SMILING BROADLYAT
INTERROGATOR
WHENTHE FIRST SESSION BEGAN. KSM'S PREVIOUS TIREDNESS (b )( 1)
APPEAREDTO HAVE RESOLVEDSOMEWHAT,AND HE REMAINEDMOSTLYALERT
(b)(3) CIAAct
DURING THE SESSIONS.
(b)(3) NatSecAct
B. KSM PROVIDEDINFORMATIONON THE AL-QA'IDA WEAPONSOF MASS
DESTRUCTION(WMD)PROGRAM. HE SPECIFICALLY PROVIDEDINFORMATIONON
THE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAM
AND HOWIT WASA ·
(b )( 1)
CLOSELY-HELDSECRET IN AL-QA'IDA.
(REPORTEDIN INTEL) KSM CONTINUED (b)(3) CIAAct
TO PROVIDE MOSTLYCOMPLETEINFORMATIONIN RESPONSETO QUESTIONS.
(b)(3) NatSecAct
I
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b)(3) NatSecAct
D. KSM RECEIVED PANTS AND A SHIRT TO WEARAT THE CONCLUSIONOF
THE FIRST SESSION. HE SUBSEQUENTLY
APPEAREDMORERELAXEDDURINGTHE
NEXT DEBRIEFING SESSION. HIS SPEECH BECAMEMUCHMORECONVERSATIONAL,
AND HE SEEMEDTO RELISH THE INTERACTIONWITH DEBRIEFER. HE CONTINUED
TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF WHENHE CLAIMEDHE DID NOT HAVESPECIFIC
INFORMATIONABOUTA SUBJECT.
E. IN A POIGNANTMOMENT,INTERROGATOR
CAUGHTA SMALLFROG WHICH
HAD JUMPED FROMTHE DRAIN IN KSM'S CELL AND ASKED IF KSM WANTEDIT
TAKENOUTSIDE. KSM SAID, "NO, NO. LET IT STAY," AND ASKEDTHAT THE
FROG BE PUT BACK IN THE DRAIN.
F. AT THE END OF THE DAY, INTERROGATORS
AGAIN EXPLAINEDTHE
FACTS OF LIFE TO KSM, POINTING OUT THE CREATURECOMFORTSHE HAD
GAINED THROUGHHIS APPARENTDECISION TO TELL THE TRUTH.
INTERROGATORS
REMINDEDKSMHE WOULDLOSE ALL HIS COMFORTSAND GO BACK
TO BAD CONDITIONS IF HE FAILED TO BE TOTALLYFORTHCOMING
OR WAS
CAUGHTLYING. KSM INDICATED HE UNDERSTOOD
COMPLETELY,AND EMPHASIZED
THAT HE DID NOT WANTTO GO BACKWARDS.
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3.
ENHANCEDMEASURES: NONE.
4. ASSESSMENT: KSM SEEMEDTO APPRECIATE HIS SITUATION. AS HIS
CREATURECOMFORTSHAVE BEEN INCREASED (CLOTHING, SOLID FOOD, A
STYROFOAMPAD FOR SLEEPING), HIS INVESTMENTIN REMAININGIN
(b )( 1)
INTERROGATOR/DEBRIEFER
GOODGRACESHAS BECOMEMOREPOWERFUL. KSM WAS (b)(3) CIAAct
FAIRLY FORTHCOMING
WHENRESPONDINGTO POINTED QUESTIONSABOUTc::::J
(b )(3) NatSecAct
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INUCLEARWEAPONPROGRAM,AND THAT APPARENTHONESTYIS AN
IMPORTANTSTEP IN KSM'S CONDITIONING.
6. PLANS: KSMWILL CONTINUETO BE QUESTIONEDON ISSUES OF
CRITICAL IMPORTANCE,INCLUDINGTHE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAM
AND
PENDING/PLANNEDATTACKSAGAINST THE US AND US INTERESTS WORLDWIDE.
SINCE THE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAMMAYBE THE MOST SENSITIVE ISSUE,
INTERROGATORS
AND DEBRIEFER WILL CONTINUETO PRESS IT, ALBEIT
(b )( 1)
GINGERLY. PUSHING TOO HARD, TOO FAST, MIGHT CAUSE KSM TO SHUT DOWN (b)(3) CIAAct
AGAIN, WHILE ALLOWINGHIM TO PROVIDE CONTINUINGBITS OF THE
(b)(3) NatSecAct
INFORMATIONWILL MORELIKELY GET THE COMPLETESTORY.
I
I
7. MEDICALOBSERVATIONS:
MEDICALOFFICER~--~
(b)(1)
KHALID SHAYKH((MUHAMMAD)). PREVIOUSLYNOTEDABRASIONSREMAINSTABLE (b)(3) CIAAct
WITHOUTEVIDENCEOF INFECTION. DEPENDENTEDEMAIN LEGS/FEET IS
(b )(3) NatSecAct
ESSENTIALLY RESOLVED. SUBJECT CONTINUESTO GET KEFLEX 250 MG TID
MIXED IN WITH 1500 CAL/DAY ENSURE DIET.
7. HVT PSYCHOLOGISTCOMMENTS: KSM IS CLEARLYRELISHING HIS
NEWLYEARNEDCOMFORTSAND IS APPARENTLYWILLING TO DO WHATHE MUST TO
RETAIN AND EVEN EXPANDTHEM. THAT SAID, INTERROGATORS
CONTINUETO
CLOSELYMONITORKSM'S ATTITUDE AND RESPONSES FOR ANY INDICATION THAT
HE IS REVERTINGTO OLD RESISTANCE STRATEGIES OR ATTEMPTINGNEWPLOYS.
A CRITICAL ELEMENTIN MAINTAININGKSM'S TRUTHFULNESSAND PRODUCTIVITY
WILL BE THE TEAM'S CONTINUEDABILITY TO USE RESOURCEMATERIALTO
STRUCTUREAND ASSESS HIS RESPONSES. SUBJECT APPEAREDCOMFORTABLE,
COMPOSED,AND SELF-ASSURED AFTER RECEIVING CLOTHES. DURING
INTERACTIONSWITH INTERROGATORS
AND TOY DEBRIEFER, SUBJECT WASALERT,
ATTENTIVE, AND FULLY ENGAGEDIN ANSWERINGQUESTIONS. AT TIMES, HE
SPONTANEOUSLY
ELABORATEDON TOPICS AND PROVIDEDDETAILS OF INTEREST
TO THE DEBRIEFER. SUBJECT'S SPEECH WAS STEADY, RELAXED,
WELL-ORGANIZED,AND APPROPRIATE TO CONTEXT. PER TODAY'S
OBSERVATIONS, THERE ARE NO INDICATIONS OF ANY PROFOUNDAND PERMANENT
EMOTIONALOR PSYCHOLOGICAL
HARM.
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b )(3) NatSecAct
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3.
ENHANCEDMEASURES: NONE.
4. ASSESSMENT: KSM SEEMEDTO APPRECIATE HIS SITUATION. AS HIS
CREATURECOMFORTSHAVE BEEN INCREASED (CLOTHING, SOLID FOOD, A
STYROFOAMPAD FOR SLEEPING), HIS INVESTMENTIN REMAININGIN
(b )( 1)
INTERROGATOR/DEBRIEFER
GOODGRACESHAS BECOMEMOREPOWERFUL. KSM WAS (b)(3) CIAAct
FAIRLY FORTHCOMING
WHENRESPONDINGTO POINTED QUESTIONSABOUTc::::J
(b )(3) NatSecAct
I
INUCLEARWEAPONPROGRAM,AND THAT APPARENTHONESTYIS AN
IMPORTANTSTEP IN KSM'S CONDITIONING.
6. PLANS: KSMWILL CONTINUETO BE QUESTIONEDON ISSUES OF
CRITICAL IMPORTANCE,INCLUDINGTHE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAM
AND
PENDING/PLANNEDATTACKSAGAINST THE US AND US INTERESTS WORLDWIDE.
SINCE THE NUCLEARWEAPONSPROGRAMMAYBE THE MOST SENSITIVE ISSUE,
INTERROGATORS
AND DEBRIEFER WILL CONTINUETO PRESS IT, ALBEIT
(b )( 1)
GINGERLY. PUSHING TOO HARD, TOO FAST, MIGHT CAUSE KSM TO SHUT DOWN (b)(3) CIAAct
AGAIN, WHILE ALLOWINGHIM TO PROVIDE CONTINUINGBITS OF THE
(b)(3) NatSecAct
INFORMATIONWILL MORELIKELY GET THE COMPLETESTORY.
I
I
7. MEDICALOBSERVATIONS:
MEDICALOFFICER~--~
(b)(1)
KHALID SHAYKH((MUHAMMAD)). PREVIOUSLYNOTEDABRASIONSREMAINSTABLE (b)(3) CIAAct
WITHOUTEVIDENCEOF INFECTION. DEPENDENTEDEMAIN LEGS/FEET IS
(b )(3) NatSecAct
ESSENTIALLY RESOLVED. SUBJECT CONTINUESTO GET KEFLEX 250 MG TID
MIXED IN WITH 1500 CAL/DAY ENSURE DIET.
7. HVT PSYCHOLOGISTCOMMENTS: KSM IS CLEARLYRELISHING HIS
NEWLYEARNEDCOMFORTSAND IS APPARENTLYWILLING TO DO WHATHE MUST TO
RETAIN AND EVEN EXPANDTHEM. THAT SAID, INTERROGATORS
CONTINUETO
CLOSELYMONITORKSM'S ATTITUDE AND RESPONSES FOR ANY INDICATION THAT
HE IS REVERTINGTO OLD RESISTANCE STRATEGIES OR ATTEMPTINGNEWPLOYS.
A CRITICAL ELEMENTIN MAINTAININGKSM'S TRUTHFULNESSAND PRODUCTIVITY
WILL BE THE TEAM'S CONTINUEDABILITY TO USE RESOURCEMATERIALTO
STRUCTUREAND ASSESS HIS RESPONSES. SUBJECT APPEAREDCOMFORTABLE,
COMPOSED,AND SELF-ASSURED AFTER RECEIVING CLOTHES. DURING
INTERACTIONSWITH INTERROGATORS
AND TOY DEBRIEFER, SUBJECT WASALERT,
ATTENTIVE, AND FULLY ENGAGEDIN ANSWERINGQUESTIONS. AT TIMES, HE
SPONTANEOUSLY
ELABORATEDON TOPICS AND PROVIDEDDETAILS OF INTEREST
TO THE DEBRIEFER. SUBJECT'S SPEECH WAS STEADY, RELAXED,
WELL-ORGANIZED,AND APPROPRIATE TO CONTEXT. PER TODAY'S
OBSERVATIONS, THERE ARE NO INDICATIONS OF ANY PROFOUNDAND PERMANENT
EMOTIONALOR PSYCHOLOGICAL
HARM.
(b )( 1)
(b)(3) CIAAct
(b )(3) NatSecAct
END OF MESSAGE
IOP SECRET
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