(updated below)
The FBI and major media outlets yesterday trumpeted the agency’s latest counterterrorism triumph: the arrest of three Brooklyn men, ages 19 to 30, on charges of conspiring to travel to Syria to fight for ISIS (photo of joint FBI/NYPD press conference, above). As my colleague Murtaza Hussain ably documents, “it appears that none of the three men was in any condition to travel or support the Islamic State, without help from the FBI informant.” One of the frightening terrorist villains told the FBI informant that, beyond having no money, he had encountered a significant problem in following through on the FBI’s plot: his mom had taken away his passport. Noting the bizarre and unhinged ranting of one of the suspects, Hussain noted on Twitter that this case “sounds like another victory for the FBI over the mentally ill.”
In this regard, this latest arrest appears to be quite similar to the overwhelming majority of terrorism arrests the FBI has proudly touted over the last decade. As my colleague Andrew Fishman and I wrote last month — after the FBI manipulated a 20-year-old loner who lived with his parents into allegedly agreeing to join an FBI-created plot to attack the Capitol — these cases follow a very clear pattern:
The known facts from this latest case seem to fit well within a now-familiar FBI pattern whereby the agency does not disrupt planned domestic terror attacks but rather creates them, then publicly praises itself for stopping its own plots.
First, they target a Muslim: not due to any evidence of intent or capability to engage in terrorism, but rather for the “radical” political views he expresses. In most cases, the Muslim targeted by the FBI is a very young (late teens, early 20s), adrift, unemployed loner who has shown no signs of mastering basic life functions, let alone carrying out a serious terror attack, and has no known involvement with actual terrorist groups.
They then find another Muslim who is highly motivated to help disrupt a “terror plot”: either because they’re being paid substantial sums of money by the FBI or because (as appears to be the case here) they are charged with some unrelated crime and are desperate to please the FBI in exchange for leniency (or both). The FBI then gives the informant a detailed attack plan, and sometimes even the money and other instruments to carry it out, and the informant then shares all of that with the target. Typically, the informant also induces, lures, cajoles, and persuades the target to agree to carry out the FBI-designed plot. In some instances where the target refuses to go along, they have their informant offer huge cash inducements to the impoverished target.
Once they finally get the target to agree, the FBI swoops in at the last minute, arrests the target, issues a press release praising themselves for disrupting a dangerous attack (which it conceived of, funded, and recruited the operatives for), and the DOJ and federal judges send their target to prison for years or even decades (where they are kept in special GITMO-like units). Subservient U.S. courts uphold the charges by applying such a broad and permissive interpretation of “entrapment” that it could almost never be successfully invoked.
Once again, we should all pause for a moment to thank the brave men and women of the FBI for saving us from their own terror plots.

One can, if one really wishes, debate whether the FBI should be engaging in such behavior. For reasons I and many others have repeatedly argued, these cases are unjust in the extreme: a form of pre-emptory prosecution where vulnerable individuals are targeted and manipulated not for any criminal acts they have committed but rather for the bad political views they have expressed. They end up sending young people to prison for decades for “crimes” which even their sentencing judges acknowledge they never would have seriously considered, let alone committed, in the absence of FBI trickery. It’s hard to imagine anyone thinking this is a justifiable tactic, but I’m certain there are people who believe that. Let’s leave that question to the side for the moment in favor of a different issue.
We’re constantly bombarded with dire warnings about the grave threat of home-grown terrorists, “lone wolf” extremists and ISIS. So intensified are these official warnings that The New York Times earlier this month cited anonymous U.S. intelligence officials to warn of the growing ISIS threat and announce “the prospect of a new global war on terror.”
But how serious of a threat can all of this be, at least domestically, if the FBI continually has to resort to manufacturing its own plots by trolling the Internet in search of young drifters and/or the mentally ill whom they target, recruit and then manipulate into joining? Does that not, by itself, demonstrate how over-hyped and insubstantial this “threat” actually is? Shouldn’t there be actual plots, ones that are created and fueled without the help of the FBI, that the agency should devote its massive resources to stopping?
This FBI tactic would be akin to having the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) constantly warn of the severe threat posed by drug addiction while it simultaneously uses pushers on its payroll to deliberately get people hooked on drugs so that they can arrest the addicts they’ve created and thus justify their own warnings and budgets (and that kind of threat-creation, just by the way, is not all that far off from what the other federal law enforcement agencies, like the FBI, are actually doing). As we noted the last time we wrote about this, the Justice Department is aggressively pressuring U.S. allies to employ these same entrapment tactics in order to create their own terrorists, who can then be paraded around as proof of the grave threat.
Threats that are real, and substantial, do not need to be manufactured and concocted. Indeed, as the blogger Digby, citing Juan Cole, recently showed, run-of-the-mill “lone wolf” gun violence is so much of a greater threat to Americans than “domestic terror” by every statistical metric that it’s almost impossible to overstate the disparity:
In that regard, it is not difficult to understand why “domestic terror” and “homegrown extremism” are things the FBI is desperately determined to create. But this FBI terror-plot concoction should, by itself, suffice to demonstrate how wildly exaggerated this threat actually is.
Photo: Mary Altaffer/AP
UPDATE: The ACLU of Massachusetts’s Kade Crockford notes this extraordinarily revealing quote from former FBI assistant director Thomas Fuentes, as he defends one of the worst FBI terror “sting” operations of all (the Cromitie prosecution we describe at length here):
If you’re submitting budget proposals for a law enforcement agency, for an intelligence agency, you’re not going to submit the proposal that “We won the war on terror and everything’s great,” cuz the first thing that’s gonna happen is your budget’s gonna be cut in half. You know, it’s my opposite of Jesse Jackson’s ‘Keep Hope Alive’—it’s ‘Keep Fear Alive.’ Keep it alive.
That is the FBI’s terrorism strategy — keep fear alive — and it drives everything they do.


https://pakalahau.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/2012mayan_precrimelogo.jpg
Ah yes, seems the FBI has been transformed into the department of Precrime. Just another inevitable proof that paranoid genius SF author Philip K Dick was right about way too many things after all. No wonder they really were out to get him!
AR15 wasn’t used at Sandy Hook:
http://i.imgur.com/qOCDKvN.jpg
Adam Lanza (school shooter) didn’t exist:
http://i.imgur.com/zBXht8O.jpg
Newtown parents are ACTORS:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/28bcmbm.jpg
500 (Sandy Hook) STUDENTS VANISHED:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/orkuv8.jpg
Sandy Hook EVACUATION was fake:
http://i.imgur.com/T02Goxv.jpg
Nancy Lanza home — planted gun evidence:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2e1vtqu.jpg
live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/paid-informants-in-terror-investigations/54efb1a602a76026ab001047v
How Paid Informants Affect Terror Investigations
A paid FBI informant posing as a terrorism supporter assisted in the arrests of three men allegedly planning to aid the Islamic State. But did the agent help foil their plot or help devise it? We debate the role of informants in counterterrorism.
Originally aired on March 2, 2015
Hosted by: Josh Zepps
Guests:
Adam D. Perlmutter @ADP_Legal (New York, NY) Criminal Defense Attorney
Craig Monteilh (Irvine, CA) Informant ; Expert Consultant
Peter Ahearn (Washington, DC) President & Founder, Ahearn Consulting; Former FBI Special Agent
Trevor Aaronson @trevoraaronson (St. Petersburg, FL) Author, ‘The Terror Factory'; Executive Director, Florida Center for Investigative Reporting
Wadie Said (Columbia, SC) Law Professor, University of South Carolina
Interesting discussion:
live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/paid-informants-in-terror-investigations/54efb1a602a76026ab001047v
A paid FBI informant posing as a terrorism supporter assisted in the arrests of three men allegedly planning to aid the Islamic State. But did the agent help foil their plot or help devise it? We debate the role of informants in counterterrorism.
Originally aired on March 2, 2015
Hosted by: Josh Zepps
Guests:
Adam D. Perlmutter @ADP_Legal (New York, NY) Criminal Defense Attorney
Craig Monteilh (Irvine, CA) Informant ; Expert Consultant
Peter Ahearn (Washington, DC) President & Founder, Ahearn Consulting; Former FBI Special Agent
Trevor Aaronson @trevoraaronson (St. Petersburg, FL) Author, ‘The Terror Factory'; Executive Director, Florida Center for Investigative Reporting
Wadie Said (Columbia, SC) Law Professor, University of South Carolina
The FBI has been engaging in entrapment since the 1990’s at least–the bombing of Judi Bari’s car by people known to the FBI (followed by the FBI charging Bari herself for the bombing) is exhibit A. This modus also has gone on with the Occupy Movement and most serious enviro activism groups. At the same time, the FBI refuses to name persons known to it who plotted assassination attempts against the Occupy Wall Street Leadership. http://brooklynculturejammers.com/2015/02/13/fbi-and-political-assassination-the-occupy-houston-story/
Diligence, imagination and laudable efforts are required in order to remove the evil and psychopathic fbi/cia from our society.
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/letterdec10.html
In 1969 a bomb was “discovered” in the Jewish community center in Berlin/Germany. In 2011 a German immigrant, P.U., died a natural death in Santa Maria/California. P.U. had been in the 1960’s a police officer in Berlin who then went underground as provocateur for Germany’s “Bundesverfassungschutz” (BVS) – the German FBI, which as much in German government remains under the “de facto” control of the U.S. agents. P.U. became the “bomb” expert for one of Germany’s legendary extreme-left terrorist groups, then supporting the Palestinian PLO. P.U. had put the “bomb” into the Jewish Community Center, but made sure that it did not function, but only served to compromise members of the extremist-terrorist group. He remained active as “V-Mann” (Vertrauensmann) – as informant and provocateur of the BVS, until finally other incidents exposed his role. At that point in 1992, P.U. was sent to start a new life in the USA by the handlers of the BVS with the collaboration on the U.S.agencies. There are some who have the opinion that U.S. and German agencies helped arm and provide for several German extermist terrorist groups, including some who assassinated U.S. military personnel in order to create a psychological and political climate justifying persecution of leftists and anti-war activists in general.
Nature of the State. Liars, murderers, looters and thieves.
“Crying wolf”!!
Iran along with most Arab states has PROMISED to destroy Israel!
Netanyahu apparently is setting YOU straight at this miserable rag!
So true though. I cringe because of the injustice that occurs every time one of these supposed terrorist is arrested and then paraded around by the FBI. It makes me physically sick. They take advantage of the mentally ill and the poor and put them in cages for the rest of their lives. Its insane. The folks at the FBI truly have lost their damn minds. Decade after decade of inflicting pain and suffering under the guise of security, heroism and bravery. Any of the agents that may be doing truly good work have had all of that overshadowed by their employers constant bidding to arrest all those who wish violence and destruction upon the US but have no means of doing it. Its sad.
From the update:
Glenn is our Madame Defarge knitting the evidence of the criminal class into a very long and growing list of the names and explicit transgressions of those responsible for unforgivable crimes. That these criminals feel totally confident revealing their corrupt agendas is exactly why they need to stand trial before tribunals.
Falsifying evidence, inciting young men to commit terror (whatever happened to the rule, theirs, that if you aid a terrorist you’re a criminal and risk droning? I won’t even ask what happened to mentoring young people or hoping for the best in them and helping them find it) lying about threats, kidnapping and torturing, to say nothing of killing innocent people in their hundreds of thousands…none of them deserve any clemency.
Name by name the list grows, and with a Pulitzer and Academy Award as evidence, it’s clear that more people are paying attention to the truth, a story sidelined for too long. Thank you, Glenn and The Intercept Team for being unrelenting in this reporting. We cannot let these stories fade, and cannot stop asking for judicial review and one day, redress and justice.
Sorry Minnion but “nciting young men to commit terror” is a false statement.
These men are true men who see things as they are not the propaganda of the USA.
America kills, terorizes and destroys.
To fight fight terror one must needs be terrible.
These Jidaddist are true men that seek freedom from the oppression of the USA.
They must fight like the Irish did by what ever, I mean by what EVER means to take the fight to America.
I support ISIS in its fight against oppression.
How many innocent Iraquis must be droned, straved and oppressed by America till those that remain use any force they can use to attack, fight and kill Americans.
No the world views the victims as the perptrators.
The evil villian is America and I urge all Muslims to fight against that great Shatan.
As for the Intercept and Glenn where are Snowdens files?
20 months to tell the world that all encyrption of cell (mobile) phones are compromised.
The Intercept serves as is shown by Glenns bowing his knee to America that he is the enemy as much as the NSA and the CIA he confers with in his shameful reductions of the hero Snowdens disclosures. 1 % of the Snowdens files published after 20 months but Pulitzer and Oscar awards and book tours are the god that Glenn serves.
Hopkins if he were here today would support ISIS in its struggle to find relief from the evil of America.
Shame America shame.
America you have said you are the democratic voice of righteousnes but your actions are the cowardly bullying war mongering oppressors of all true people.
I side with those that fight against such evil as the USA.
Go ahead Glenn and redact the files and not publish the files of Snowden because you are in the same camp as the PATRIOTIC CONSTITIONALISTIC falsehood of all oppressors, who say I love my country even when it is wrong. National security and your own cowardiceness prevents you from disclosing that that would destroy the false faith of American exceptionism.
You Glenn still maintain your alliegance to a false Idiology. America is a fucked up country that by it might mains it is right.
Forgo your senseless patriotism and publish in full the files you hoard with you self centered pride.
YOu can be in this world but not be of it. Your actions show you seek personal pride in your ego.
Forsake your self and serve the greater good and dump all of the files.
Millions of people are being survellied by the government and you chose 6 Muslims alone.
Be real be true be something other than what you are now. A corporate fool to seek acclaim at the expense of truth.
Is there so much hate for the ones we love?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM
“If I only could, I’d be running up that hill.
If I only could, I’d be running up that hill.”
It doesn’t hurt me.
Do you want to feel how it feels?
Do you want to know that it doesn’t hurt me?
Do you want to hear about the deal that I’m making?
You, it’s you and me.
And if I only could,
I’d make a deal with God,
And I’d get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
Be running up that building.
If I only could, oh…
You don’t want to hurt me,
But see how deep the bullet lies.
Unaware I’m tearing you asunder.
Ooh, there is thunder in our hearts.
Is there so much hate for the ones we love?
Tell me, we both matter, don’t we?
You, it’s you and me.
It’s you and me won’t be unhappy.
And if I only could,
I’d make a deal with God,
And I’d get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
Be running up that building,
Say, if I only could, oh…
You,
It’s you and me,
It’s you and me won’t be unhappy.
“C’mon, baby, c’mon darling,
Let me steal this moment from you now.
C’mon, angel, c’mon, c’mon, darling,
Let’s exchange the experience, oh…”
And if I only could,
I’d make a deal with God,
And I’d get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
With no problems.
And if I only could,
I’d make a deal with God,
And I’d get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
With no problems.
And if I only could,
I’d make a deal with God,
And I’d get him to swap our places,
Be running up that road,
Be running up that hill,
With no problems.
If I only could
Be running up that hill
With no problems…
“If I only could, I’d be running up that hill.
If I only could, I’d be running up that hill.”
I am an observer and it seems to me that those who comment on this site would prefer that the authorities did nothing?
Mr Greenwald, are you aware that as a direct result of all the disclosures of the electronic surveillance methods, the NSA has now reached the final stages of seeing and hearing through walls and roof? The URHT-C system was already being tested when Snowden was having coffee with you in Mira Hotel; then it was hugely bulky. It is now the size of a laptop. The research was accelerated to counter the imminent threat that your disclosures posed.
The method is fairly simple. Positively charged micro-nano-particles are bombarded on the subject at two fixed frequencies. These can easily penetrate all concrete and steel, but there is one particular composite medium that stubbornly refuses to conduct these particles, and this is kept top secret. A small percentage of the waves get reflected back to the source. Changes to the one frequency is used to decipher sound and the other is used to detect heat.
The Chinese are perhaps aware of this technology, but we have tested and found that they do not know about the non-conductor.
Good luck now to all the jihadees!!
GH, thanks for the information. Would you care posting a reference. I believe you, I just need the source for reference in my own research. Thanks.
Sorry Pat, I can’t give you any reference without disclosing my sources. Suffice it to say that today a lot of things are possible that have not been publicly disclosed. One of the really remarkable feats is using live animals with embedded nano-chips as programmable computers that can be deployed among jihadee terrorists without any suspicion.
You mean the huge rats in the NYC subways are actually drones/surveillance rats. Just kidding, a little gallows humor for desperate times.
Hi Pat, From my experience, the way that nanotechnology enters your system is by first compromising you skin with tiny burns, which make the skin permeable. I had many of these “burns”, which resemble tiny cigarette burns on the skin all across my chest, torso and thighs, just before visiting a spa. They would appear at night, while sleeping or during my commute to work. I filmed “the burns” and a dermatologist who did a skin check before they all healed called them “external trauma to the skin”. They also use inhalants. These are all major war crimes…whatever, maybe someone will actually prosecute.
The FBI and Other Homeland Security Agencies Personnel have to find a way to JUSTIFY THEIR EXISTENCE After the US GOVERNMENT TERRORIST ACTIVITIES BEHIND CREATING 9-11.
They have to find some use for all the CIA and Ex-Military black site, torture site War Criminals and Special Ops criminals being Rewarded and Promoted into Homeland Security Agencies and Law Enforcement. THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT AND HOMELAND SECURITY AGENCIES ARE WORSE CRIMINALS THAT NEARLY ALL THE PEOPLE IN PRISONS AND JAILS NOW!!
The problem is that everyone in the US is AFRAID of the REAL TERRORISTS running the country.
I know I’ve been a victim of TARGETED covert surveillance black ops crimes by the ex-military, Homeland Security agency and secret society criminals who have targeting individuals like Kay Griggs, Michael Hastings, Phillip Marshall, Judi Bari and others.
Civil AND Constitutional Rights Organizations are USELESS AND HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED FROM WITHIN. Everyone doesn’t want to get involved or help people. I know I’ve been turned down for help by the ACLU (several times for years even before the targeted sureillance burglaries began. The BORDC, and numerous other organizations who I contacted for help have all turned me down for help. If you can see what is going on in this country now, you know that the government dictatorship take over is progressing and can’t be stopped now. The only hope is to leave the country now.
Since 2011, I’ve been targeted for surveillance burglaries, vandalism, pet torture, vehicle tampering as well as the planting of stolen and unknown origin property and malicious prosecution. My safe deposit box was even burglarized. No one would help me, out of the dozens and dozens of organizations and attorneys I’ve contacted. I can’t get my FOIA Requests fulfilled for information on my surveillance targeted crimes and it’s even common knowledge in Washington state that Homeland Security personnel are involved in my targeted surveillance crimes.
REMEMBER THIS WHEN THEY COME FOR THE REST OF YOU, and they rob you using their surveillance technology and personnel in their targeted covert operations inside the US.
The only hope people have is to get out of the country before the dollar collapses because the criminals running the US have gutted the economy. As a targeted activist, who can’t find an attorney or a civil rights or constitutional rights organization to help me, my only hope is to leave the country. My cruise control stopped working on my 140 mile trip back from Spokane WA, on Thursday this week, and I was gang stalked on the road by multiple vehilces (one of them with a Big Transformer Decal on the Back Window, one with a Big US”Infantry”sticker on his back window, as well as WA license plate # WEPLAY2) and after they all turned off and I got past Colville, WA, I tried my cruise control again and it started working. I know they have had remote control over my car alarms on my vehicles for a long time now, and it looks to me that they can also remote control my cruise control as well now…… It is too dangerous to stay in this country for me.
NO ONE IS GOING TO HELP YOU WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU — I recommend to everyone: GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY NOW, before it’s too late. (SCRIBD/CrystalSpirit_US)
Glen keep doing what you do. We need more journalists like you guys. Love this website
What a nightmare it would be if J. Edna Hoover was still around to deliver self-congratulatory sound bites on every chat show possible.
The story of these ISIS wannabes didn’t even make sense. Apparently they planned to commit acts of domestic terror–bombing, killing, etc. BUT FIRST, before they had done anything, they broadcast their rage online (just to alert authorities, I guess), then purchased tickets to Turkey (like THAT wouldn’t be noticed) where they would of course head over to Syria just to get their ISIS membership card and some training, after which they’d head on back to NYC to launch their terror attacks. If anything, this would warrant arrest for just brazen stupidity, and that people would actually believe this story also speaks to the lack of critical thinking in this country.
Since the first invaders from Europe invaded this land, terrorized the natives, it’s been non stop with wars here and abroad, over 30.. The terrorists were invented by the US, created ISIS, , deliberately left weapons in hope they would group together & retaliate. The Saudi’s on the behalf of the US fund ISIS to keep the fear going plus the false flags like in Paris, and in Boston. Not only the FBI Entrapments but the CIA’s Electromagnetic Mind Control. The US has, is and will spend Billions to gain Global control, but the country that will win is the one being overlooked by the US naive,….ISRAEL….The US is already control by the Zionists as our attention is on Muslims…Muslim that the Zionists want the US to eliminate.
More proof that Mad Cow has made far greater inroads, to the intelligence and security agencies in particular, that anyone dares mention… widely.
The government lies about false threats to take away your constitutional rights! They are a bunch of fucking war-mongers who would sell there own mother for a dollar!
“That is the FBI’s terrorism strategy — keep fear alive — and it drives everything they do.” Glenn Greenwald
Based on what happened in France and Denmark and based on what ISIS and Al Qaeda have stated, should the citizens of the United States question the seriousness of terrorist threats?
So if ISIS, like al qaeda actually is, an intel/security agency creation, ought we ahem, “listen”, to them? Yes, we in the U.S. and worldwide MUST question, completely, utterly and entirely skeptically; cynically, even, any, and especially, intel agency advertised and promoted ‘terrorist” threats… Can you say “False Flag”? Can you say Yellow Cake? Can you say Valerie Plame? Can you say Remember The Maine? If one begins to look critically at many of the “terrorist attacks” through the lens of false flag, yellow journalism, propaganda, social control and mass manipulation, the picture is suddenly much less fuzzy and many more events begin to make sense. So sorry. Just the dying gasps of Empire at work; the sepsis of greed and fear consuming all it can..
Glenn Greenwald, et al.:
Again, apparently in retribution for my reporting it to you before, your comment moderator(s) is and/or are censoring my comments. I submitted the following comment yesterday, 26 February 2015, but it has still not been posted or shown up on the page in the thread of the article which you wrote, Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats?, at https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-grave-threats/#respond (I would submit it as an article instead, but to my knowledge you do not have a “novice” and/or “citizen”, non-professional journalist article submission system and/or section like Reader Supported News ( http://www.readersupportednews.org ) does, which re-posts your and The Intercept articles):
Title: “IT IS (OUR) DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT”
[Beginning of comment]
I am so glad that the truth about the FBI manufacturing its own “terror(ist)” plots through fomenting them, is finally coming out more and more, including in mainstream media. The “Federal Bureau of ‘Instigation’ [of Crime(s) and Terrorism]”, and protection, along with the “Department of (In)Justice”, of the government, and themselves, from being held accountable for crime(s) and terrorism, has and is continuing to prove, increasingly, that they are the terrorists. Through these criminal, unconstitutional, and otherwise illegal tactics, they, along with others, are turning the U.S. into a “neo-Nazi-German” totalitarian militarized police state, replete with more and more U.S. government oppression and repression, criminalizing and coming after increasing numbers of innocent Americans, and fomenting “terror(ism)” abroad in order to help accomplish this as well, and to falsely, fraudulently, illegally, unconstitutionally and criminally “justify” and “legitimize” the perpetual war OF terrorism.
As Glenn Greenwald’s excellent article, at http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28780-why-does-the-fbi-have-to-manufacture-its-own-plots-if-terrorism-and-isis-are-such-grave-threats , as well as his quote therein of the admission by the former assistant director of the FBI, proves, they are now flaunting their criminality in our faces, and outright admitting it; while, of course, carefully or not so carefully couching it in “double-speak” and apparently-“innocent” statements which “only” indirectly admit their guilt in fomenting “terror(ism)” both abroad and at “home”.
Therefore, another thing this agency should be called is, the “Federal Bureau of (Evil-)’Incarnate’ [or, ‘Incarnate’ (Evil)]. Or how about, “Federal Bureau of ‘Injustice'”? Or, “Federal Bureau of ‘Investigative’ (Terrorism)”? Etc.
Let’s take back our government(s), and abolish ALL of this increasing neo-Nazi-German, aka corporate-fascist, governance in the U.S. (and the West), ALL of its and/or their agencies, and all of the unconstitutional “laws” that enable it and/or them to operate, function, expand and increase their stranglehold over, and enslavement of, us (eradicating our human rights, liberties and freedoms). It is the duty OF ALL US to “throw off” this government tyranny, oppression, despotism, repression and terrorism:
“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVERNMENT, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES (AS ARE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW) AND USURPATIONS (OVERTHROWING OUR HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS, LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS), PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT EVINC(ING) [SHOWING EVIDENCE OF] A DESIGN TO REDUCE (US) UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS (OUR) RIGHT, *IT IS (OUR) *DUTY**, TO *THROW OFF* SUCH GOVERNMENT, AND TO *PROVIDE NEW GUARDS* (PRESERVERS OF LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND RIGHTS) FOR (OUR) FUTURE SECURITY…”! –Declaration of Independence, 1776 [with clarification(s), emphasis and/or paraphrasing provided by article author].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
It is falsely claimed that the Declaration of Independence “is ‘only’ a declaration, and is ‘not’ law”; but, through the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which is WITHOUT ANY DOUBT law, the Declaration of Independence is joined to the Constitution; thus, it is also, by extension, since it is joined to the Constitution, LAW itself; and/or part of constitutional LAW.
The presently-constituted tyranny and fraudulent government now still known, falsely, as “the U.S. government”, has now actually become so despotic, tyrannical, treasonous, fascist, draconian and repressive, and increasingly so, that it is now actually seizing the Declaration of Independence to use as “evidence” against defendants in “criminal” and/or “terrorism” cases, as was done in the Barrett Brown case ( see http://tumblr.freebarrettbrown.org/post/102978977219/understanding-barrett-browns-charges-and-conduct ). This is how out of control and illegitimate the U.S. government has become. It is now in complete, flagrant violation of the SUPREME law(s) of the U.S., its Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Wherefore, as the U.S. Constitution, through the Declaration of Independence joined to it as being JUST AS MUCH (CONSTITUTIONAL) *LAW* AS THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION, through the Supremacy Clause thereof, makes abundantly and absolutely clear, IT IS OUR DUTY TO THROW OFF THIS DESPOTIC TYRANNY UNCONSTITUTIONALLY AND ILLEGALLY MASQUERADING AS “THE U.S. GOVERNMENT” AND USURPING “AUTHORITY” OVER US. So, people, do it! For, if we don’t do it, we are bringing about our own demise and dooming all of us. Therefore, please prevent this demise from occurring, people!
Throw off this ILLEGITIMATE, tyrannical government, and restore our legitimate, TRULY CONSTITUTIONAL government, “…and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice FOR ALL”!
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I also had a much shorter comment intentionally not posted, even through I also attempted to re-submit it, in the thread The Great SIM Heist: How Spies Stole the Keys to the Encryption Castle, at https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/#respond . Totality of comment is as follows:
[Beginning of comment]
Check out this, The Intercept, article:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/18/gchq-privacy-international-spying-campaign/
And then you can go to the following link to sign a petition protesting and seeking to find out if your private information was illegally shared with GCHQ by the NSA:
https://www.privacyinternational.org/illegalspying
Happy Standing Up Against All Of This Illegal Violation Of Privacy!
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The “excuse” can’t be “only allowing one comment per commenter, per thread”, because several if not many comment submitters are having multiple comments posted (they must be “liked” and I am, and/or my comments are, not?) in individual threads, and multiple threads (a lot of the same, “regular” commenters).
Please see to it that my foregoing comment(s) is and/or are posted in the thread(s) in question, and that all of this illegal censorship and violating of freedom of speech are completely stopped; and that it doesn’t happen again to me in particular.
Thank you again for all of your consideration of, and assistance with, this entire matter.
Sincerely,
/s./ Wolf
S. Wolf Britain, Fully Physically Disabled Human Rights and Civil Liberties Advocate
Electronically signed by: S. Wolf Britain 02/27/15 20:00 (M.S.T.)
Cc: Glenn Greenwald ( glenn.greenwald@theintercept.com )
Mr. Greenwald
“…..For reasons I and many others have repeatedly argued, these cases are unjust in the extreme: a form of pre-emptory prosecution where vulnerable individuals are targeted and manipulated…..”
“…..Vulnerable individuals……”. There you go again, Mr. Greenwald. The FBI “creates” Islamic terrorists from “….very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner…..”. Three aimless, inept, hapless Muslims murdered 15-20 people in France because they inarticulately advanced a narrative about the Prophet. One Jordanian pilot was burned to death by “…..some very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner [Muslims]…..”. To be sure, Mr. Greenwald, five thousand, aimless, hapless, inept, impressionable, disaffected, young Muslims from Europe have gone off to fight on the side of the jihadists in Syria and Iraq – so they can murder Muslims (and Coptic Christians). Those very same Muslims motivated by our racists anti-Muslim policies decided to murder Muslims instead of killing westerners. The “Hapless Muslim Syndrome” (HMS) afflicts countless Muslims in the west. Is it the water?
When an amateur outfit like the FBI can convince “aimless and hapless” Muslim loners to commit brutal acts of terror, then expert propagandists like Awlaki can certainly do the same (well. he used to be able to…). Just because one of the arrested Muslims seemed like a mental case, that doesn’t make him any less dangerous. Politics and radicalization are a dangerous combination as we have seen numerous times – especially in Europe. FBI stings serve as a deterrence to murderous acts like the ones in Europe or at the Boston marathon.
You have become a leading apologist for Islamic terror.
What connections do these three have with the French murderer? The burned Jordanian pilot himself was most likely a Muslim, so using all these unrelated incidents to justify FBI’s sting operation makes no sense. If there is a similar sting operation against a Christian group would you bring up Andres Breivik of Norway as a justification? As for Awlaki, he is already gone but he never had resources anywhere near what FBI has. Not sure why you think FBI is amateur. Didn’t they try to recruit Awlaki at one point?
I feel the need to say I think this is bullshit, because if I thought this were true it would be pretty heinous of me to continue in my general Greenwald Love. Apologizing for terror is saying that terror and violence are ok. If anything, I think GG falls on the extreme opposite end of this spectrum – he doesn’t see any violence as really and truly legitimate, and when assessing acts of violence he wants to look at total numbers. This would be like putting jailers and criminals on par with one another and saying “Well, look, I mean, jailers have locked up millions of people over X number of years, so obviously they have caused more harm in aggregate”. My utilitarian instincts do not allow me to agree with him on that, but I do have a soft spot for such idealism. He’s no terror apologist. Possibly unrealistic – I have concluded that if mankind were simply going to lay down arms and make nice with one another we would have done it long ago, and so we’re stuck with a long and elaborate process of slowly building complex labyrinth-like bulwarks to defend against the lowest common denominator of human possibility, whoever happens to be generating it – but not a supporter of violence or bullying behavior on any front.
To be fair, though, Craig – just finished Ken Silverstein’s article on leaving TI:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/ken-silverstein-the-intercept-115586_Page3.html#.VPE36imR_ww
and I am a little worried that TI is assuming a knee-jerk anti-government stance:
Thanks Nic
“……and I am a little worried that TI is assuming a knee-jerk anti-government stance:….”
I think you just need to read the article on Ukraine to understand exactly how much of an understatement that is as applied to the US government.
Thanks.
I did read it, not sure what you mean – if the Ukrainian groups really are full of neo-Nazis and rightwing extremists, that is in fact very unfortunate. Whether or not you consider it a necessary evil is another issue, but I don’t have a problem with them pointing out that the situation in general sucks.
Nic – you were correct in the first place. CraigSummers assertion is bullshit – for the reasons you stated and then some.
Respectfully, what’s bullshit, however, is your backpedaling on that stance, not based on any new evidence or facts that refute what Glenn’s position is or has been all along, but on an unrelated article that Ken Silverstein wrote? That’s just bad reasoning altogether.
I’m all for calling CraigSummers, Glenn Greenwald, you, and others on bullshitting and having myself called on for bullshitting as well – but not based on the rational you just used there, and not without specific reasons that refute specific positions that Glenn or other authors or commenters here take. That’s CraigSummers style of bullshit, and it hasn’t been yours and in my view you shouldn’t start now.
Neither Glenn nor TI is assuming a knee-jerk anti-government stance – they are making arguments based on evidence and the best facts available at the time. If that makes the US or any other entity look bad, then so be it.
Nic, these articles and this site do not seem to be in any way against the US government, per se; it’s against the multitude of lies and policies that have proven not to work, and/or are not in the citizens best interests. That’s pro-government, because we the people are it.
The new evidence and facts were Silverstein claiming that TI tried to block and suppress even a very popular story because it seemed to support ‘The Man’. I realize they have always said they want to be adversarial, but to my mind that means playing watchdog and doling out criticism when it is due, not engaging in negative propaganda campaigns. The former is ok and part of a democracy, my fear is that they are trending toward the latter.
As a side note, the rest of the article was somewhat reassuring, in that for all the buildup Silverstein didn’t seem to have any epic complaints outside of TI being disorganized and the paperwork sucking. I’ve worked at a couple of startups, they often are shockingly disorganized – if you hate bureaucracy that’s usually kind of the good part. And probably Silicon Valley and journalism function differently.
While I have no doubt at this point that the Intercept is a mess in a million different ways, the difference between True Crime and Journalism is a wrongful conviction.
Don’t get me wrong, I am all for taking down “This American Life” another peg or two, but when you take away the wrongful conviction all you have left is True Crime aimed at the NPR set, and even worse than that is the coattails of True Crime aimed a the NPR set. I’m not sure if that even counts as clickbait.
This is certainly not a hill worth dying on, Hell, it’s not even a hill. There really is a difference between “man bites dog” and “Mailman bites dog”, and understanding that difference does not mean you are anti-The Man, it just means you are anti-Dateline NBC.
Yeah, it’s hard to know what the rationale was, and Silverstein is probably not an unbiased perspective on that. All perspectives are biased, of course, but there’s a difference between Scahill having a ‘tantrum’ about ‘The Man’ and simply saying this is clickbait and not in line with the kind of journalism they want to focus on.
Craig,
You spend a hell lot of time arguing just for the sake of arguing. You know very well that almost everything that is happening today is a direct result of what we want to happen in the world, both good and bad. We have the plan, the resources and the friends to execute things that best suits our interests. If today we cannot totally control events on a global scale then we have achieved nothing.
Take that Saudi blogger’s case. In a second we can have him put in a plane if we wanted to. But what would that serve? We need the Saudis to continue chopping off heads of their own intellectuals so that future generations of Muslims remain corrupt and stupid. So it is in our interest the blogger is flogged and then left to perish with his wounds. This is just an example. All the events that you copy-paste and use for your lengthy posts are exactly the way we want things to be, not as a result of our helplessness.
So take heart and don’t spread negative vibes. We are strong and our three-letter organizations are ensuring that we stay strong.
agree with the writer.about this manufactured terrorism. The domestic terrorist profile in America, should be changed. Most of the real perpetrators of terrorist acts aka hate crimes aka mentally derranged or supposedly have rage issues, happen to be young adult white males, with shaved heads who own many guns.
This would be a hysterically funny article if it wasn’t so pathetically true.
The U.S. just has to keep that “War on Terror” going at all costs, or perhaps it would be more correct to say…the illusion of terror.
This is a short, recent video pertaining to the “Origin of ISIS.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY (Truth in Media: Origin of ISIS)
Why not just stamp it with “Made in the USA?”
#keepfearalive
How’s this for entrapment?
TERROR: THE CASE OF JOE’S BAR
by Philip Kraske
Hakeem Kowalski said, “Let’s do a bar.”
I said, “I’m not sure ’bout going that far.
“Death to Christians is all fine and well,
“And striking a blow and giving ’em hell,
“But blowing a bar’s a pretty long leap,
“Me, all I want is to wake up the sheep.”
But Hakeem insisted, in mosque and in park,
And he had a plan, the stuff, and the mark,
So I went along, I wrapped and I taped,
I stripped the wires, I bent, I shaped.
And when came the day to strike at the West,
Hakeem just smiled: “Please be my guest.”
So I took a breath and pushed the green button.
And all those sheep got turned into mutton.
Hakeem just stared at me, shock in his face,
“But how, how in hell did that take place?
“Didn’t I tell you to leave out the blue wire?”
“You told me red!” I answered with ire.
“But I’m from the Bureau!” he shouted with rage.
“And I’m NSA,” I said unassuaged.
“No, that can’t be! You’re under arrest!”
“You’re for the jump, pal, you and the rest!”
Then came the boys in blue to us cuff,
All to get sorted in halls painted buff.
Which is why the horrible Case of Joe’s Bar,
Just never seems to get all that far.
The perps, they scrammed, and now terrorize,
Half the East Coast, thus giving rise,
To two more agencies, like NSA.
Hakeem got one; me, I said nay.
Interesting. This “plot” unraveled just in time when funding was about to expire to fund DHS.
I frequent the CBC’s website often. Canada’s “national” broadcaster. Seven of its front page stories right now are about the so-called “war on terror,” and very much keeping fear alive. The comments are shocking, overwhelmingly bigoted, and CBC is letting them up.
It’s playing right into the hands of PM Harper, who was dead in the water in the upcoming federal election. Until a couple of mentally-ill Canadians killed two Canadian soldiers last fall. He seized upon these tragedies for political gain, stirring fear and hate of Muslims for all it’s worth (to him). It’s worked.
Disgusting.
‘Gas, grass, or ass.. Nobody wars for free..’
o/t
[snip]
The Poisonous History of Gazan Natural Gas
‘Back in 1993, when Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA) signed the Oslo Accords that were supposed to end the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank and create a sovereign state, nobody was thinking much about Gaza’s coastline. As a result, Israel agreed that the newly created PA would fully control its territorial waters, even though the Israeli navy was still patrolling the area. Rumored natural gas deposits there mattered little to anyone, because prices were then so low and supplies so plentiful. No wonder that the Palestinians took their time recruiting British Gas (BG) — a major player in the global natural gas sweepstakes — to find out what was actually there. Only in 2000 did the two parties even sign a modest contract to develop those by-then confirmed fields.
BG promised to finance and manage their development, bear all the costs, and operate the resulting facilities in exchange for 90% of the revenues, an exploitative but typical “profit-sharing” agreement. With an already functioning natural gas industry, Egypt agreed to be the on-shore hub and transit point for the gas. The Palestinians were to receive 10% of the revenues (estimated at about a billion dollars in total) and were guaranteed access to enough gas to meet their needs.
Had this process moved a little faster, the contract might have been implemented as written. In 2000, however, with a rapidly expanding economy, meager fossil fuels, and terrible relations with its oil-rich neighbors, Israel found itself facing a chronic energy shortage. Instead of attempting to answer its problem with an aggressive but feasible effort to develop renewable sources of energy, Prime Minister Ehud Barak initiated the era of Eastern Mediterranean fossil fuel conflicts. He brought Israel’s naval control of Gazan coastal waters to bear and nixed the deal with BG. Instead, he demanded that Israel, not Egypt, receive the Gaza gas and that it also control all the revenues destined for the Palestinians — to prevent the money from being used to “fund terror.”..’
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175961/tomgram%3A_michael_schwartz%2C_israel%2C_gaza%2C_and_energy_wars_in_the_middle_east/#more
wait..wait..let me get this straight. Three men “desire” to join a listed terrorist organization overseas, yet have no resources to do so. End of story.
Along comes the FBI, who, via an “informant”, provides said resources, which now gives the suspects the means to start their journey.
Now, some one please clarify something for me. Which party actually “attempted and did accomplish, with conspiracy, to provide material support to the islamic state of iraq and the levant, a foreign terrorist organization.”
note to self..file this under
Equations it doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out.
In a parallel universe of Justice, at trial, after hearing testimony from defendants how and from whom they got the resources to further their desire, the Judge calls upon the bailiff to immediately arrest every case associated FBI agent in the room on the spot, and summarily dismisses case against defendants.
meanwhile, back in this universe, some Judge’s in our “justice” system begin to show signs of developing cognitive dissonance…
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/18/3461537/federal-judge-blasts-atf-for-luring-man-with-no-criminal-record-into-trafficking-cocaine/
Any questions?
–Now, some one please clarify something for me. Which party actually “attempted and did accomplish, with conspiracy, to provide material support to the islamic state of iraq and the levant, a foreign terrorist organization.”
Neither party accomplished the task. But you did provide a good laugh with your perspective on which party concocted the conspiracy. Thanks.
quote”Neither party accomplished the task.”unquote
On the contrary. Had a private citizen gave the resources such as money to these three ISIS wannabe’s, they could be charged with “conspiracy, to provide material support to the islamic state of iraq and the levant, a foreign terrorist organization.”. The fact is, the FBI not only attempted, but actually succeeded in conspiring with an informer to provide resources to ISIS..these three men. However, even if the FBI stopped them, they already “provided” the means by which the three men “could have” become resources for ISIS. As far as I’m concerned, the FBI agents who perpetrated this crime are as guilty as anyone else who has been charged and convicted under the same law. Namely, other dolts who the FBI also perpetrated the same crime. Period.
The words are numbers again
Unlike the wax the tracks is tracked. Record your acts please just the facts. On your backs and just relax. Across the rack mounted and counted sore while you amounted to what you accounted for. Nothing more.
I’m predicting prediction it’s our affliction the crucifixion without restriction of conviction or jurisdiction.
It’s divide and laugh at you. Where one half of one counts as too damned many forgiving too damn few. What you lack will be painful and plenty. Once the shrapnel, now it’s raining pennies.
No control of the baseband or treble. These things are settled. No bare metal. Just naked and cold.
If I may be so bold, you were clearly told that what you sold would bring untold riches but your gold love foretold of your uncontrolled ambitious wishes. Divided once more. Just delicious.
For the hungry we have anal feedings absent judicial proceedings and that’s just what we’re conceding. Although my heart is bleeding, just be thankful you are only naked and cold.
Lobotomy by sodomy. Not an oddity, an exported prison commodity. The goal is the mole cause the carrot and stick are going in the same hole.
Enhanced truth telling told through numbered spellings of lost verbs, hidden words, spurred by the slurred and blurred, meaning deferred but never unheard.
Once More…
The force in forced scarcity is the source code of my parody. It’s my therapy, my bit of parity, my errors corrected, or at least I dream it that way.
The new esoteric numeric clerics insist that God’s voice is not encrypted, but encryption. But that’s my description. To quote the transcription, “The words are numbers again.”
lastnamechosen, I like your writing: numbers are words again; the goal is the mole cause the carrot and stick are going in the same hole. Good stuff.
lastnamechosen, I like your writing: the words are numbers; …divided once more. just delicious; the goal is the mole cause the carrot and stick are going in the same hole.
Glenn That is exactly what the DEA does. The War on drugs was the paradigm for the war on terror, not only that but they in concert with the banks and US Military control the drug trade and the cartels are just like ISIS. I mean really the establishment would never let the trillion dollar drug trade profits go unskimmed.
I am so glad that the truth about the FBI manufacturing its own “terror(ist)” plots through fomenting them, is finally coming out more and more, including in mainstream media. The “Federal Bureau of ‘Instigation’ [of Crime(s) and Terrorism]”, and protection, along with the “Department of (In)Justice”, of the government, and themselves, from being held accountable for crime(s) and terrorism, has and is continuing to prove, increasingly, that they are the terrorists. Through these criminal, unconstitutional, and otherwise illegal tactics, they, along with others, are turning the U.S. into a “neo-Nazi-German” totalitarian militarized police state, replete with more and more U.S. government oppression and repression, criminalizing and coming after increasing numbers of innocent Americans, and fomenting “terror(ism)” abroad in order to help accomplish this as well, and to falsely, fraudulently, illegally, unconstitutionally and criminally “justify” and “legitimize” the perpetual war OF terrorism.
As Glenn Greenwald’s excellent article, at http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28780-why-does-the-fbi-have-to-manufacture-its-own-plots-if-terrorism-and-isis-are-such-grave-threats , as well as his quote therein of the admission by the former assistant director of the FBI, proves, they are now flaunting their criminality in our faces, and outright admitting it; while, of course, carefully or not so carefully couching it in “double-speak” and apparently-“innocent” statements which “only” indirectly admit their guilt in fomenting “terror(ism)” both abroad and at “home”.
Therefore, another thing this agency should be called is, the “Federal Bureau of (Evil-)’Incarnate’ [or, ‘Incarnate’ (Evil)]. Or how about, “Federal Bureau of ‘Injustice'”? Or, “Federal Bureau of ‘Investigative’ (Terrorism)”? Etc.
Let’s take back our government(s), and abolish ALL of this increasing neo-Nazi-German, aka corporate-fascist, governance in the U.S. (and the West), ALL of its and/or their agencies, and all of the unconstitutional “laws” that enable it and/or them to operate, function, expand and increase their stranglehold over, and enslavement of, us (eradicating our human rights, liberties and freedoms). It is the duty OF ALL US to “throw off” this government tyranny, oppression, despotism, repression and terrorism:
“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVERNMENT, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES (AS ARE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW) AND USURPATIONS (OVERTHROWING OUR HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS, LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS), PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT EVINC(ING) [SHOWING EVIDENCE OF] A DESIGN TO REDUCE (US) UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS (OUR) RIGHT, *IT IS (OUR) *DUTY**, TO *THROW OFF* SUCH GOVERNMENT, AND TO *PROVIDE NEW GUARDS* (PRESERVERS OF LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND RIGHTS) FOR (OUR) FUTURE SECURITY…”! –Declaration of Independence, 1776 [with clarification(s), emphasis and/or paraphrasing provided by article author].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
It is falsely claimed that the Declaration of Independence “is ‘only’ a declaration, and is ‘not’ law”; but, through the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which is WITHOUT ANY DOUBT law, the Declaration of Independence is joined to the Constitution; thus, it is also, by extension, since it is joined to the Constitution, LAW itself; and/or part of constitutional LAW.
The presently-constituted tyranny and fraudulent government now still known, falsely, as “the U.S. government”, has now actually become so despotic, tyrannical, treasonous, fascist, draconian and repressive, and increasingly so, that it is now actually seizing the Declaration of Independence to use as “evidence” against defendants in “criminal” and/or “terrorism” cases, as was done in the Barrett Brown case ( see http://tumblr.freebarrettbrown.org/post/102978977219/understanding-barrett-browns-charges-and-conduct ). This is how out of control and illegitimate the U.S. government has become. It is now in complete, flagrant violation of the SUPREME law(s) of the U.S., its Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Wherefore, as the U.S. Constitution, through the Declaration of Independence joined to it as being JUST AS MUCH (CONSTITUTIONAL) *LAW* AS THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION, through the Supremacy Clause thereof, makes abundantly and absolutely clear, IT IS OUR DUTY TO THROW OFF THIS DESPOTIC TYRANNY UNCONSTITUTIONALLY AND ILLEGALLY MASQUERADING AS “THE U.S. GOVERNMENT” AND USURPING “AUTHORITY” OVER US. So, people, do it! For, if we don’t do it, we are bringing about our own demise and dooming all of us. Therefore, please prevent this demise from occurring, people!
Throw off this ILLEGITIMATE, tyrannical government, and restore our legitimate, TRULY CONSTITUTIONAL government, “…and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice FOR ALL”!
and the real funny bit is.. the fake terrorism that your govt concocted has been used to take away your rights and liberties. Should you now complain.. well you could end up in a dungeon somewhere in Chicago.
First manufacture demand for something that we already have for sale, then make profit selling that product. This applies to everything. The essence of advertisement is creation of demand. This is an universal marketing strategy. Apple guys are the best in this business. It’s almost like as if your like is worthless if you don’t possess the latest iPhone.
Now, FBI has security for sale. Why fault them for creating demand for their product? They are just being innovative about it. in fact, they make a lot less profit than the guys who sell nukes.
Another thought – since we can’t get hold of Mohammed Emwazi and lynch him, can we use this fellow Asem Qureshi for the time being? I would love to personally castrate him first though. The Intercept has been historically kind to the CAGEy folks.
Hi…sociopath. Or are you just a psycho…born that way?
what a great article…and read…It is disheartening that the war on terror has found new life and ‘credibility’ (HEAVY SARCASM) under the cover of a dem President.
It is a monstrous concept to wrap your mind around. That’s not to say our minds are incapable of doing the wrapping but we are loath to go there being such a loathsome place to go. Money money money money……money.
so the largest and most consistent sponsor of terrorism in the US is … the Federal Bureau of Investigation!
I appreciate everything Snowden has done to expose the massive waste in surveillance, aka the NSA wasting time and $ spying on Americans. But I always wonder, how come Snowden and Greenwald et al rarely if ever expose any massive, anti-freedom surveillance by Russia, China, NK, Cuba, or any of the jihadi groups?
Our tax dollars would be better spent providing good jobs and mental health services to these angry young men than giving it to the FBI and NSA to manipulate them. What a waste!!!
A couple of weeks ago, I posted a link to this comment editor/previewer I wrote. I’m posting it again (for the last time) because a couple of problems with Internet Explorer were fixed (it works with IE9 now), and a new feature was added that might occasionally come in handy. For a comment that contains no html, no editor or previewer is needed. But for those that contain more than one or two tags, this little app may be useful.
If you are using Internet Explorer then you are inviting trouble. My humble suggestion is to switch to Firefox with add-ons like adblock plus, noscript, https everywhere, betterprivacy, etc., installed.
Or better still, use Tor browser. And even better is Tails.
I stopped using IE years back. I understand that NSA has figured out how to transmit nanocharged nutrinos through IE. Some of our friends here can vouch for this and recount their pain and discomfort.
Can Edward Snowden come home now seeing as how his revelations have not stopped the terrorists from plotting on the internet?
The FBI should be going after White Collar Financial crimes like Accounting Control Fraud, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, bribery and corruption. This type of crime is almost always inter-state and/or international in scope.
There just isn’t a lot of terrorism.
In defense of the FBI, which frankly may be ill-fated, they are excellent at going after white collar crimes, money laundering, tax evasion, racketeering, various mafias. They developed into a very effective law enforcement agency post-Hoover. Their skills at intelligence work are debatable. You hire different people with different psychological profiles to engage in law enforcement, versus intelligence operations.
At the time of 9/11, Al Qaeda members numbered 1,000, with an additional thousands of sympathizers (these numbers are from the CIA). We spent TRILLIONS to defeat 1,000 guys living in caves.
I believe the current issue is not that the FBI has enough work to do or the proper budget allocation, it’s that the budget has been skewed toward addressing domestic Muslim terrorism. By my own personal experience in New York city, I’ve rarely met a Muslim that was an extremist, let alone a terrorist. Most of them were highly educated and enjoyed the freedoms of living in the United States. They told me they had never experienced any discrimination prior to 9/11.
By the FBI’s own analysis, they found Muslims in the U.S. are less likely to commit crimes than average citizens. Most likely because the Muslims that emigrated were of higher socio-economic status than other immigrants at the time. The issue is that there is a big portion of the budget allocated to stopping domestic terrorism (Muslim terrorism), but we just don’t have enough (not that it can’t happen) and agents are expected to make cases. A solution might be to change the title of the budget allocation to “Domestic Terrorism”, without designating a group or religion.
The FBI and Justice Department has plenty of crimes to prosecute. Many people are begging them to focus their resources accordingly.
Reminds me of McNulty’s desperate attempts to get the mayor of his city to finally finance the BPD, in The Wire’s season 5, were it not that, in this case, it’s the whole system, on a federal level, and not just a handful of local rogue officers, that’s playing dirty. But lengthily quote yourself, Glenn ? Really ? Only the first paragraph of this article is news. The rest is a mashup, and the Cornell article isn’t even dusty… Considering these trumped-up cases might be viewed as variants of false-flag ops, wouldn’t it have been more interesting to expand on that topic ?…
the update beat me to it.
the key word here is “manufacturing”. asking them to stop making threats from whole cloth is like asking apple to shut half its factories. the only thing the US produces anymore is “terror” and financial fraud. once the 9//1 funding genie was out of the bottle it was never going back in.
besides their status of an answer without a question, the FBI also serves and protects the elite status quo. if americans see graham and mccain and kerry and etc. constantly bitching and whining about imaginary darkies comin’ to rape our womens and ban our bud light without seeing any actual “threats”, even the most truck fume and mountain dew-addled brains among them will slowly realize it’s bullshit. ditto all the overseas threats created by the FBI’s heroin addicted, psychopath brother the CIA. does anyone think ISIS and al-nusra just emerged from a smarmy arab time portal?
besides, we wouldn’t want that money going to other things…it could end up in the SCHOOLS! or…even…BLACK schools!
It’s ALL Security Theater. In 1941, we (Americans) had to go to war (and spend and fight and die in our millions) against those Dirty Japs and their Nasty Nazi allies. Those bastards bombed our naval base 2,000 miles west of our shores, didn’t they?
And ENTIRELYwithout provocation, at that!
It’s not surprising that all of the contrivances and abuses of the FBI, NSA and other untouchable entities running amok were born out of the principal and largest charade of all: the Iraq war. From yellow cake to WMD’s, to they hate us for our freedoms, to the people will welcome us, to mission accomplished, to we don’t torture, to creating fictional terrorists and on and on and on… It’s all been just one great big fucking lie. Of course, anyone who cared enough to know this would know it and at least have that over fans of the Kardashians, whoever the Kardashians are.
“One great big fucking lie.” But we like being lied to. By our elected officials, by our preferred media troughs, by our elitist religious leaders, by Hollywood fame and glamour. YOU are the strange one here, buddy, ADRIFT, as it were, and remarkably, presciously vulnerable.
Marcy Wheeler’s piece on the dragnet trawling for informants is still highly relevant
JUDGE SILBERMAN: Try rape. That’s unlikely to have a foreign intelligence component.
SOLICITOR GENERAL OLSON: It’s unlikely, but you could go to that individual and say we’ve got this information and we’re prosecuting and you might be able to help us.
Specifically, using contact chaining [redacted] NSA may be able to discover previously unknown terrorist operatives, to identify hubs or common contacts between targets of interest who were previously thought to be unconnected, and potentially to discover individuals willing to become U.S. Government assets.
On the “keep fear alive” tip, in terms of institutional incentives, this has a lovely circularity. The terror threat justifies the dragnet, the dragnet trawls for informants, the informants ply the terror threat. Section 215 may be a significant component of this.
`I think credit should be given where credit is due: FBI at least has the decency to step in at the end to stop their plot from materializing. CIA when faced with the same scenario decides to sit it out.
Well, yes, Glenn. It’s so much easier to manufacture a crime, find a few patsies short a few marbles, and frame a case, than it is to actually go out and investigate crimes. It also means you can stage the publicity better and garner better funding from politicians equally eager to point to this than to actually look into real funding needs. It’s equally true in journalism: Bill O’Reilly is exemplar of the fact that it’s easier (and cheaper) to sit in a studio and pontificate than go out and pursue a story.
But look on the bright side: at least the plots don’t go through, or at least we’ve yet to have a Marinus van der Lubbe scenario.
@Coram, “at least the plots don’t go through,” is what FBI wants all of us believe is their achievement. If FBI had not pursued this case, then what would have happened? Nothing! These guys would have lived their lives and nothing would have happenned. Meanwhile, FBI wasted their efforts on this instead of focusing on real issues.
It seems these targets are less scary and dangerous than the tough work involved with stopping actual criminals.
I had to stop reading for several minutes to laugh heartily at “his mom had taken away his passport.”
And with a stern warning that he would be grounded…
Obviously you don’t shop at ‘The Mall of America’, Glenn. *which might explain the Ralph Lowrenter tuxedo you were wearing at the Oscars the other night …
That’s right; some ISIS in Antarctica holy rollers have decided the ‘Mall of America’ in … Minnesota (hell, I don’t even know where it is, and I live here!) should be beheaded. Posthaste.
You can’t say the FBI made that one up… can you?
Besides, correct me if I’m wrong, the FBI’s motivations and actions you’re describing here sounds suspiciously like what lawyers call ‘entrapment’ … if not abuse of the ‘mentally ill’?
Bet business at the MoA has fallen sharply as of late. Metal detectors at the entrances; body scanners; who knows maybe even patdowns and cavity searches? It’s not far from the airport, so surely they can borrow some of their equipment and personnel!
Those cavity searches are catching on.
There’s a strip club near where I live and FBI agents do them there all the time.
The FBI is stirring the pot in other ways, as well. In doing so, it’s driving some of the “lone wolf” violence that we’re seeing domestically.
It’s all about money, power and control.
“All” might be a bit strong, but…
http://www.salon.com/2004/02/11/cointelpro_3/
“This is a good way for police officers to get terrorism points,” says Timothy Edgar, legislative counsel for the ACLU . “They have to justify the dollars they’re receiving from the federal government for homeland security. We’ve seen a massive inflation of terrorism statistics on the federal level. Every Arab who has a phony drivers license is now called a terrorist by the Justice Department, so they can say, ‘We’ve arrested thousands of terrorists.’
This is the perfect example of not learning the lessons of 9/11,” he continues. “The FBI was not sufficiently focused on the possibility that a group like al-Qaida would commit a serious terrorist attack. One real failure since 9/11 is that, when they call everything a ‘terrorist,’ they’re still not sufficiently focused on actual terrorists. There’s an overbroad definition of domestic terrorism in the PATRIOT Act, and it’s had a spillover effect into state and local governments who want to justify their antiterrorism funding and mission.”
In a Nation article from May 2002, Robert Dreyfuss wrote of that spillover effect. The Justice Department, he reported, had offered billions of dollars in anti-terror subsidies to local governments, but first they had to show that there were “potential threat elements” in their area.
“Under the Justice Department program each state was asked to conduct a county-by-county assessment of potential terrorist threats in order to qualify for the federal largesse,” Dreyfuss wrote. “In each city and county local police were required to identify up to fifteen groups or individuals called potential threat elements (PTEs). The Justice Department helpfully points out that the motivations of the PTEs could be ‘political, religious, racial, environmental [or] special interest.’ At a stroke, the Justice Department prompted 17,000 state and local police departments to begin monitoring radicals.”
Thus even if the FBI isn’t working directly with local police to spy on protesters, the messages coming from the Justice Department influence the agencies below, says Edgar. “The Ashcroft Justice Department has set a terrible example,” he says. “They’re sending the wrong message around the country to the state and local police. Local and state police will follow the FBI’s example on a lot of things. On top of that, add big grants for homeland security and you’ve got a recipe for a lot more political spying.”
http://www.salon.com/2004/02/12/dissent_two
But Pyle says that once created, such files have a way of proliferating — and smearing the reputations of those on them, in a kind of Orwellian version of the game “telephone.” “After Sept. 11, the FBI sent out a list of ‘persons of interest’ to a few corporations, casinos and airlines in a desperate attempt to increase security,” he says. “These security departments then copied the lists, integrated them with their own lists and sent it to their friends. Within a month, there were 50 of these lists on the Internet. They’d been reproduced and reissued, by intelligence agencies, police departments or corporations from as far away as Brazil and Italy. But now most of the lists said these are terrorists or terrorist suspects, not persons of interest.”
“I have never been more worried,” Pyle says. “I was not nearly as worried when I was on Richard Nixon’s enemies list, or when COINTELPRO was exposed.”
Back then, he says, “I figured we could stop this kind of stuff.”
“…and thus justify their own warnings and budgets.”
Your intro tease words alone illustrate an inherent difference between actual journalism – and the corporate/beltway mouthpieces parroting propaganda.
Thank you for that, it can’t be repeated enough why the motives and “integrity” of all such agencies are so easily corrupted.
Primitive governments rule directly through fear. The American government, on the other hand, has perfected the art of rule by fear mongering, inspiring the public to turn to it for protection and safety. This reality has been absorbed into the national character, as observed almost 100 years ago:
This fear has inspired the development of military might and made the US the world’s lone superpower. Yet even, or especially, when at the pinnacle of unchallenged military supremacy, the fear must never be allowed to fade. From yesterday in Fox News:
One day, the fear may be allowed to wither away, and the US will sink into global irrelevancy.
Great duo, tho Mencken was the actual genius.
I’ve always said (or mean’t to) if benitoe could only put his brain to something useful, well, that would be one less thing to worry about … don u no./
Indeedy! Benito is so good I’ve had trouble convincing some that he ain’t for realz.
Sooner rather than later, one hopes.
Not as long as the weapons makers and other plutocrats have so many friends in Washington. The US government is the biggest, most effective terrorist organization on the planet so fear will stalk the planet until there is a major change in DC.
I can’t see that change coming from within this country with most Americans getting their information from the propaganda units of said government, the major media outlets. What percentage of the people even have heard of TI? .01% if we get real optimistic.
And where will the change come from if it is to be directed from outside the country? Europe and the 5 eyes are basically lapdogs of the US, China and India worship at the altar of the dollar, Russia is pretty effectively contained and would probably have to quickly resort to nukes, ending the game, and the rest are constantly stirred up by agents of the same US government.
So, THE FEAR, the fear of our government will be here for a long time. Somebody tell me I’m wrong, please.
a significant reduction from the capacity enjoyed by defense officials for decades.
Oh, so that’s why we have been fighting so many wars all over the planet ever since we became the only superpower. Because defense officials “enjoy” fighting two major wars simultaneously. Thank you, Fox News, for explaining that.
I look forward to the day when government officials recognize that fighting even one major war drains the coffers of resources that are better used for peaceful purposes.
” One day, the fear may be allowed to wither away, and the US will sink into global irrelevancy. ”
Time may prove that it is far more easier to instill fear in a public accustomed to an official management of its emotions and perceptions (through information malnutrition or outright disinformation) , than it is to exorcise them away once firmly entrenched…
The answer to the first question is ‘no’, because the answer to the second question is ‘there are’. From Hussain’s article:
So, over half of the post-9/11 terrorism prosecutions have not involved informants. Therefore, whereas the threat of domestic terrorism (terrorism originating in the US) may be small or negligible, that isn’t proven by the FBI’s use of informants and sting operations.
These are a few of the terrorism prosecutions from the first page (of 21) of the Mother Jones study that didn’t involve an informant:
Abdikadir, Ali – Conspiracy to murder, kidnap, or maim overseas, Criminal solicitation, Firearms violations, Immigration violations, Making false statements, Material support for terrorists
Abdur-Raheem, Hammad – Criminal conspiracy, Firearms violations, Material support for terrorists, Plotting expedition against friendly nation
Abshir, Khalid Mohamud – Conspiracy to murder, kidnap, or maim overseas, Criminal solicitation, Firearms violations, Immigration violations, Making false statements, Material support for terrorists
Abu Ali, Ahmed Omar – Air piracy, Air safety violations, Funding terrorists, Material support for terrorists, Threats against the president
The answer to the second question is ‘no’, because the answer to the third question is ‘there are’.
Aka, “The Paintball Terrorist.” Yes, we were saved from guys running around playing paintball in a Virginia woods. Hammad fancied he and his friends were going to become true warriors with this “training” and then go join the Taliban.
I feel so safe knowing the FBI is protecting us from such scary turrists.
A lot of these guys are every bit as terrifying as that.
My point is: “Whereas the threat of domestic terrorism (terrorism originating in the US) may be small or negligible, that isn’t proven by the FBI’s use of informants and sting operations.” I’m commenting on the argument by Greenwald that I quoted.
And I’m commenting on the gravity of most of this 50%.
Greenwald’s argument doesn’t depend on the “gravity” of the crimes being prosecuted. He wrote: “Shouldn’t there be actual plots, ones that are created and fueled without the help of the FBI, that the agency should devote its massive resources to stopping?” There have been many.
How grave was the plot exposed yesterday with the help of an informant (“conspiring to travel to Syria to fight for ISIS”)? Compare that to the four cases I listed.
The seriousness of the crimes that the FBI is investigating (and facilitating) is a separate question. If Greenwald had written, “But how serious of a threat can all of this be, at least domestically, if all but a few of the FBI’s post-9/11 terrorism prosecutions have been for crimes like conspiring to fight overseas?” that would be a different argument.
Assume Greenwald meant serious plots. Between the ones the FBI manufactures, and the (lack of) gravity of the ones they don’t, it’s clear the terrorist “threat” is totally hyped.
He would need to assert that the plot that was revealed yesterday, and others like it, aren’t serious. He’s doesn’t do that for the same reason “serious” is missing here:
He’s focused on the use of informants, so he tries to debunk the “seriousness” of the terrorism threat solely from that, and it doesn’t work.
By “others like it”, I mean to include similar plots that were investigated and prosecuted without the use of informants (see first comment).
Yes, it does. If the threat was as serious as the “Keep Fear Alive!” FBI honcho wants it to be, they wouldn’t be manufacturing half the cases, or prosecuting clowns in the other half. Doing either is evidence the threat is not as grave as they hype it to be; Glenn focused only on the former (rather than both), and his point stands.
After I demonstrated that focusing only on the 50% of manufactured terror plots is, by itself, a logical argument that it shows there are not enough real terror threats to create the climate of fear the FBI wants. Whereupon, you introduced the assertion that contrived terror plots reduce terror, and Glenn is wrong to ignore this. No matter what, you are going to move on to finding a purported reason that Glenn’s point is wrong. But you have not succeeded in establishing any logical deficiency in his piece.
I don’t think this article is supposed to prove that there exists no domestic terrorist threat at all. I think it’s supposed to show that the FBI is creating a false perception in the public that there is more terrorism than there actually is.
And I think it’s entirely appropriate to discuss about why in the hell they would do such a thing.
It may be evidence, but it’s definitely not proof. There’s a more obvious explanation that needs to be considered. Hussain links to the Mother Jones article by Trevor Aaronson, which was also cited in the Greenwald/Fishman column (linked to here). Here’s Aaronson giving his own explanation for the use of informants:
He isn’t necessarily agreeing with the “advocates”, but he is saying that the motive is to deter crime. That’s reasonable; it can’t be ignored as a possibility. Greenwald can’t just skip over it and proclaim that the use of informants proves that the threat isn’t serious. That doesn’t work.
Now you’re moving the goalposts after I’ve demonstrated that logically Greenwald’s point stands. That doesn’t work.
What are you talking about? I’m saying that Greenwald’s argument is flawed. That’s what I’ve been saying from the start: “Therefore, whereas the threat of domestic terrorism (terrorism originating in the US) may be small or negligible, that isn’t proven by the FBI’s use of informants and sting operations.” So, how did I move the goalposts?
This is how the column ends:
I’m saying that’s false; it doesn’t suffice.
The broken windows theory was a victim of its own success. It decreased crime so that police had very little to do. How to solve the problem? Simple: have the police plot, or even commit, crimes – and then arrest anyone who joins in. It is not so much an adaptation, as a logical progression.
Having the police throw rocks at windows will encourage others to do the same – so they can then be arrested. This will make the police happy – they have something useful to do. It will make the prison operators happy – they will have lots of inmates. And it will make the general public happy – they made the right decision to hire lots of police and build lots of prisons.
In fact, I can’t see anyone – except one or two curmudgeons and civil rights activists – who won’t be delighted by this new “police break windows” theory.
By imputing this motive you’re begging the question, because Aaronson was using the “broken windows” analogy by way of saying that the motive was to deter crime. All you’re saying is that Aaronson is wrong without giving an argument. You’re starting with the conclusion: the threat of domestic terrorism is negligible. I guess I’ll just repost the comment I wrote on the Greenwald/Fishman column, and you can take another shot at it if you want.
No violent death is a negligible event – so I never claimed that. However, any parsing of the statistics (e.g. the Juan Cole piece linked in Greenwald’s article) demonstrates that the number of violent deaths from domestic terrorism is a vanishingly small percentage of total violent deaths. That is a fact in evidence, not a conclusion. The most severe recent act of domestic terrorism was the Oklahoma bombing (unless you wish to argue that 9/11 was not performed by Saudi hijackers). But even so, the number deaths from domestic terrorism are a minute fraction of the deaths from other forms of violence.
Traditionally the purpose of a sting operation is to obtain evidence that a crime is being committed by having an inside source. The current FBI operations appear to go beyond this, by actively assisting people to commit crimes that they might otherwise not be capable of executing on their own. In other words, the police are helping to instigate the crime. This is what I termed the ‘police break windows’ (or more accurately ‘pretend to break windows to encourage others to do so’) theory. This description is apt regardless of whether the level of other crimes, not directly instigated by the police, is high or low.
However, common sense would tend to suggest that if the levels of such crimes were high, then it would be unnecessary to instigate additional ones – since the police, whose resources are not unlimited, would be busy investigating and foiling actual criminals acting on their own volition. It takes a long time for an informant to gain the confidence of the suspects and to convince them to execute the terrorist plot which the FBI has scripted. So it is a fairly extravagant use of police resources. It only makes sense if the counter-terrorism agents, due to a lack of actual terrorism incidents, don’t have enough to do.
In other words, the behavior of the FBI is consistent with the observed fact that the number of terrorism incidents is low. The only question remaining is whether the actions of the FBI contribute to keeping it low. In other words, does the existence of FBI sponsored plots make everyone else fearful of launching their own plots for fear that one of their co-conspirators might be an informant? If so, there should be an increase of ‘lone wolf’ attacks, since potential terrorists who feared collaborating with others would tend to respond by acting on their own. However, the relatively small number of terrorist attacks both before and after the FBI’s ramp up of sting operations makes such comparisons essentially meaningless – although someone might wish to attempt it by studying whether the number of collaborators per terrorist incident has decreased over time.
So at the end of the day, everyone is free to believe what they wish. If they believe that dedicating a large amount resources to combatting a form of crime which was exceedingly rare in the past, and is exceedingly rare at present, prevents it from becoming exceedingly common in the future, that is their prerogative. Although it is more likely a testament to the power of fear mongering.
Huh? How does raising that motive assume a proposition that is part of the conclusion?
I think that’s the crux of Greenwald’s argument, but, as I noted in my first comment, they are bringing terrorism charges against defendants who acted without the support of informants. If they’re busting and convicting a lot of people who are planning attacks, that’s the relevant statistic, not the number of attacks committed. You’re saying that the threat is measured by the number of attacks committed – the number of plots executed. But the threat is actually equal to the number of feasible plots occurring at any time. The plots are the threats (an attack is post-threat), and the strategy according to Aaronson is to inhibit them. If the “levels of such crimes [attacks] were high”, then, yes, they wouldn’t be using informants to encourage people to plan attacks. But all that would mean is that they were failing to prevent serious crimes. The fact that they are in a position to try to inhibit attacks from even being contemplated can mean that their strategy is succeeding, as the “advocates” in the Aaronson quote claim. That’s reasonable.
That said, I won’t argue that the number of people being prosecuted who acted without the encouragement of informants is sufficient to prove a serious threat. I don’t feel like going through the 21 pages of that table. But all I’ve been saying here is that you can’t simply go from A) the FBI is using informants to B) there is no serious threat. That’s what Greenwald is doing. He needs to go through those 21 pages and assert that the number of prosecutions for planning attacks without the involvement of an informant is negligible.
This could be the basis of a good argument, but “terrorism” is in a special category. A terrorist act is not the same as “run-of-the-mill ‘lone wolf’ gun violence” (Greenwald). It may ultimately be a distinction without a difference, but the distinction has to first be acknowledged.
If Greenwald had made your argument, I might not have commented. But to simply say “this FBI terror-plot concoction should, by itself, suffice to demonstrate how wildly exaggerated this threat actually is” is way too simple.
Barncat, I’ve already clarified what I’m talking about: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-grave-threats/#comment-113500
barncat, you are such a weeble-wobble! Routinely, you jump into comments about Greenwald posts purporting to find the article logically or factually deficient. And routinely you are smacked down — because you are virtually always wrong as a matter of logic or fact.
But you bounce back up and repeat with the next Greenwald column. One thing you do not lack is tenacity.
Like this?
Pissing the night away
Pissing the night away…
This:
– Benito Mussolini
“Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.” – Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals
I don’t think the “broken windows” theory is the correct description here. This is better described as the “Put people in jail for decades for a roach clip and then no one will smoke pot” theory. Which is also know as the “broken record” theory of law enforcement.
Informants really have nothing to do with this theory except that informants allow you to increase the number of hippies you can punish which will cause everyone else to not smoke pot more quickly than without informants–obviously.
If the FBI does this right we should have Sharia law in no time.
The “almost half” study does not validate the threat from the “more than half” remainder.
Given what we’ve seen in other cases, the charges may not be exactly fact based.
The lack of involvement by an informant doesn’t mean other shenanigans weren’t involved.
The comparison to gun violence is apt… much like a slipping in the tub or a crossing the street comparison would be…. terror doesn’t rank up there with any of those threats. Where I live, being struck by lightning is a far larger threat.
The manufactured threats to manufacture consent for rights violating policies and budgets should concern all Americans.
“sounds like another victory for the FBI over the mentally ill.”
That is how it sounds to me. Not that such people should be ignored, only that they should be given help and if they are dangerous, they should be protected from themselves.
Here is another story of a mastermind terrorist….in search of a butter-knife:
“Terrorist suspect John Nuttall is caught on police surveillance video threatening to kill any motel cleaners who enter a room where he and his wife, Amanda Korody, are preparing to build bombs to carry out an attack on the Victoria legislature.
Nuttall is heard telling Korody that if any motel cleaners enter the room, he is going to kill them.
“I’m going to snap their necks and put their bodies in the closet,” he says. “I’m f—ing serious. We have no weapons. We have not even a knife to kill them with.”
Korody tells Nuttall that they have a small knife, but Nuttall tells her it’s just a butter knife.
“How are you going to kill someone with a butter knife? I guess you could jam it in the eyeballs.”
“I have my rope,” Korody tells him.
An undercover police officer, who cannot be identified due to a publication ban, had earlier tried to tell Nuttall that the cleaners were not a threat and to focus on the job.”
http://www.theprovince.com/news/going+snap+their+necks+Accused+terror+plot+allegedly+threatened+kill+motel+cleaners+during/10836800/story.html
Nuttall (appropriate name) sensed that he was doing the government’s bidding:
-“You know what I was thinking?” asks Nuttall. “If these guys are actually cops, it’s still worth it because of all the money and resources that they’ve wasted on us.”
Added his common-law wife, Korody: “They’re not just gonna do this hush-hush, this is going to be a big media story.”
“Oh, yeah, huge,” Nuttall replied.
“And you know what it will do? At least it might help white Muslims get a little more respect from our darker brothers and sisters,” Korody said.
In another exchange, Nuttall suspects he and his wife are being pushed along by authorities.
“What if we’re being set up? What if the government wants this to happen?” he said.
“No,” said Korody.
“Yes, so they could crack down on the Muslims hard,” he said.”
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/accused-b-c-terrorists-suspected-they-were-being-set-up-1.2254089
In Canada, they’re asking the same questions, are these actual plots, or are these police simulations:
-”Micheal Vonn, of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, said there are similarities between this investigation and some American counter-terrorism investigations.
“The real signal is the absolute confidence of the police that the devices would not work. This is certainly a suggestion that either they had control of the devices – perhaps they provided them, perhaps they knew the specifications of them were faulty,” she said.
“Whatever that confidence is based on … these are signals that the investigation may have had this component of facilitation and those are inherently controversial in terms of police tactics.””
http://globalnews.ca/news/694253/canada-day-bomb-plot-arrests-raise-questions-about-rcmps-war-on-terror-tactics/
This just in!!! Plot thwarted! Terrorist claiming to be famous French general, was on verge of conquering present day Waterloo. Here is the hidden microphone transcript:
Napoleon – How will I defeat Wellington? I will need an army!
Informant – I can get you one of those!
Napoleon – I need a sword too, can you get me a sword?
Napoleon’s wife – I have a knife…
Napoleon – That is a butter knife! How will I kill them with a butter knife???
“An undercover police officer, who cannot be identified due to a publication ban, had earlier tried to tell Nuttall that the cleaners were not a threat and to focus on the job.”
It’s a tough job trying to shepherd mentally ill people into focusing on the violent attacks they have been assigned to commit. They have such a tendency to get sidetracked by imagined threats and other flotsam and jetsam generated by their mental problems. It takes effective management to ensure that one of these terrorist plots actually progresses to the stage where law officers can step in and prevent it.
That’s nice some judges see this, but not well enough to accept the defense of entrapment. Until the judiciary lets go of its irrational deference to government when the issue is “terrorism” (and for a long time it’s been this way for “drugs”), such contrivances and gross miscarriages of justice will continue. From the FBI’s perspective, why shouldn’t they?
The judicial deference to the government is perfectly rational; it’s “don’t bite the hand that feeds it. “
That is a stark example of the “Keep fear alive” money generator, but, as you noted, “it drives everything they do.” And that could also be said of congress, the prison industrial complex and the military industrial complex. It’s how the US has stayed engaged in so called wars, aka invasions, occupations, endless drone fueled surveillance of and bombings of people around the world. It’s how the POTUS has managed to lie his way through his entire seven years war on the truth and managed to keep the hell hole known as Guantanamo prison open. It’s even how the bankers managed to steal mountains of money, and then it’s how the Justice Department managed to prosecute absolutely no one for the mega theft; “Too Big to Fail.”
The land of the imprisoned and the home of the afraid.
My grandfather is rolling in his grave.
I think you’re focusing on the wrong issue here. It’s hard to blame the FBI for using informants when we want people to be free to go out and post to the world that they think ISIS is a great thing. That’s freedom of speech, and we don’t want it tampered with for anything, but it means that they’ve practically put out their shingle “Terrorist for Hire” for the world to see. If it’s true, we want the FBI to be their first customer!
But the problem here is that – unlike in the Cromitie case – these people didn’t do anything obviously terrorist like planting what they think is C4 under cars. They simply wanted to go to Syria. My feeling is we ought to let them go to Syria, join all the rest of the nitwits on the battlefield, and then if there’s a military intervention and they get blown to bits, the taxpayers don’t have to make any recurrent payments to a private prison. And every once in a while I imagine someone will go, get so horrified and disgusted that they sneak back out again, and either be killed by ISIS for trying, which has propaganda value you can’t buy, or else make it and start preaching to their fellow nutjobs in the U.S. what a terrible mistake they made.
Bottom line: banning emigration is the sort of thing the USSR does. Cuba does. But the Western world? That is a new and extraordinarily stupid thing.
No, “we” don’t.
I don’t deny that the prison system is brutal and stupid, that our society is far off the mark. But if I have a choice between seeing cartoonists shot in their studio for what they drew vs. seeing someone who willingly joined an informant in a terrorist plot be shipped off to the maw of idiocy, I’d grudgingly pick the latter. Let’s just pray people like The Intercept manage to get some prison reform to happen long before the kind of sentences these people get are done.
That “Keep Fear Alive” routine is working like fairy dust on you.
Rational Wiki:
^^^Thank you…^^^
I think you are focusing on the wrong issue. Freedom of speech is never more in need of protection than when the speech is disapproved of by the government. The government should not be suppressing free speech by entrapping and imprisoning people who express unpopular opinions. The methods we use to preserve our freedoms should not undermine the very freedoms we want to protect. There is no point in sending our fellow citizens off to fight for our freedoms if we have already eliminated our own freedoms.
So, no, expressing an opinion is not the same as putting out a shingle saying “I’m for hire,” and no, we don’t want the FBI to try to be anybody’s first customer. We want the FBI to notice if somebody does put out a shingle and to notice if customers do arrive. The FBI should be preventing plots that somebody else is putting in motion.
Well, the problem there is that (as I suspect is typical for an Intercept reader) I’m not a fan of key escrow or prohibitions on encryption and anonymity. How is the FBI going to know if a customer has arrived when this person, thanks in part to my own opinions, has access to PGP and Tor and countless other tools?
If some KKK wannabe starts spouting that if he had the chance he’d lynch himself a n—– tomorrow, and the FBI goes and offers him a trick rope with a last-minute release built in, and he goes ahead trying to hang a black agent with it, I just don’t see what the argument is where he says that hey, he wouldn’t have done it if somebody hadn’t asked him! And it’s the same here. Only not here here, because as I said, I don’t think it should be a crime to go enjoy your favorite Islamic paradise; what happens after that is where it should get sticky.
Why are you suggesting that a surveillance state is the only alternative to entrapment? For decades the police managed to do their job without tapping everybody’s phone and reading everybody’s mail. Do you think the police have forgotten how to do police work using legal methods?
“For decades the police managed to do their job without tapping everybody’s phone and reading everybody’s mail. Do you think the police have forgotten how to do police work using legal methods?”
I’m sorry. Take a deep breath, count to ten, or better yet, punch yourself in the face and reread what you just typed. And sign the rest of your comments Born Yesterday.
you missed the point: they never had a chance in hell of going. they had no plans, no means and no actual ideology. if they were “fer real” they’d have stayed on this side of the ocean and plotted some dumbass, ill conceived attack on some vague target (like the kids in Canada who recently got arrested for “talking about shooting up a mall”).
i’d HIGHLY recommend anyone reading this article see “four lions”. chris morris is brilliant to begin with, but that film in particular does things with the subject of “homegrown terrorists” that are pretty sublime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-SrlQ9tlI
There are places I could accept the “no plans and no means and no actual ideology”. For example, if some kid sells a nark some crack, he could say, if the U.S. had a guaranteed minimum wage and decent quality education for people who grow up in poor neighborhoods, then he wouldn’t have done it. If he hadn’t been asked by a cop, he wouldn’t have done it, or at least, not right then. Etc. But when it comes to acts of terrorism, well … either you’ll do it or you won’t. With a real act of terrorism, like trying to put a bomb under a car, 99.99% of people you ask to do it are going to freak out and do anything but. The only “ideology” terrorists have to have is that they don’t suffer from that moral disability. Are they dumbasses? Well, they believe in fundamentalist Islam, what do you think?? Of course they’re dumbasses – they’re all dumbasses. If being a dumbass meant you got to go free then the Caliph Himself could come visit the Statue of Liberty and the cops couldn’t touch him.
Agreed, Four Lions is a wonderful film about the mixture of sincere frustration and immature play-acting that develops into attempted terrorist attacks. The film is a very black comedy, and it’s black in the same way that real life is black. The innocent, the guilty, and the too-stupid-to-know-better all get hurt. Excellent film that cuts homegrown terrorists down to size.
I hadn’t thought about it before, but this is remarkably similar to FBI’s handling of Commies in the ’50s and ’60s. FBI cultivated young noisy activists who could be pushed into making dramatic “bomb plots” that went nowhere.
KGB ignored those youngsters entirely. KGB wanted serious adults with some authority in science or government, and KGB used those people sparingly. A bit of info now and then, or a cautious steering of government in the correct direction.
Kinda like Lee Oswald?
I cannot possibly focus on the article when Citizenfour is now on HBO and pressing questions abound. How, for example, did Snowden sit in an enclosed space in a hotel room with Greenwald for extended periods of time and not once randomly snuggle the hell out of him? It just doesn’t make sense. One keeps waiting for the scene where the camera is disrupted and we hear a loud ‘thwock’ sound, only to pan back in and find Snowden attached to his arm, going “I is snuggling you, giant life-sized teddy bear. Do not attempt to escape, resistance is teh futile.” But no, never, not once! It doesn’t add up.
I’ve always wanted to give greenwald one big teddy bear hug :) lol
Twit..
Mr. Greenwald. Do you concur w/ your ‘colleagues’ sentiment(s) w/ respect to Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev’s ‘mental illness’, and if so, how did you reach this conclusion?
re:
https://twitter.com/HeatherTomli/status/570750018489098242
ht `jimmy legs (aka `jammer)
you the man suave. yes I have ptsd, depression and anxiety but I say anyone in this world that is not effected or affected by it are the ones that are not seeing things as they truely are. If you can view this world as sane then you must be insane. I view the world as sick, twisted and evil but I maintain that the price I pay for that view is worth the effort.
Was JFK mentally ill (they shot his head off for being true)
in this speach to the Irish parliament in 1963
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/lPAi7jx2s0i7kePPdJnUXA.aspx
Mr. Speaker, Prime Minister, Members of the Parliament:
I am grateful for your welcome and for that of your countrymen.
The 13th day of September, 1862, will be a day long remembered in American history. At Fredericksburg, Maryland, thousands of men fought and died on one of the bloodiest battlefields of the American Civil War. One of the most brilliant stories of that day was written by a band of 1200 men who went into battle wearing a green sprig in their hats. They bore a proud heritage and a special courage, given to those who had long fought for the cause of freedom. I am referring, of course, to the Irish Brigade. General Robert E. Lee, the great military leader of the Southern Confederate Forces, said of this group of men after the battle, “The gallant stand which this bold brigade made on the heights of Fredericksburg is well known. Never were men so brave. They ennobled their race by their splendid gallantry on that desperate occasion. Their brilliant though hopeless assaults on our lines excited the hearty applause of our officers and soldiers.”
Of the 1200 men who took part in that assault, 280 survived the battle. The Irish Brigade was led into battle on that occasion by Brig. Gen. Thomas F. Meagher, who had participated in the unsuccessful Irish uprising of 1848, was captured by the British and sent in a prison ship to Australia from whence he finally came to America. In the fall of 1862, after serving with distinction and gallantry in some of the toughest fighting of this most bloody struggle, the Irish Brigade was presented with a new set of flags. In the city ceremony, the city chamberlain gave them the motto, “The Union, our Country, and Ireland forever.” Their old ones having been torn to shreds in previous battles, Capt. Richard McGee took possession of these flags on December 2d in New York City and arrived with them at the Battle of Fredericksburg and carried them in the battle. Today, in recognition of what these gallant Irishmen and what millions of other Irish have done for my country, and through the generosity of the “Fighting 69th,” I would like to present one of these flags to the people of Ireland.
As you can see gentlemen, the battle honors of the Brigade include Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Yorktown, Fair Oaks, Gaines Mill, Allen’s Farm, Savage’s Station, White Oak Bridge, Glendale, Malvern Hill, Antietam, Gettysburg, and Bristow Station.
I am deeply honored to be your guest in a Free Parliament in a free Ireland. If this nation had achieved its present political and economic stature a century or so ago, my great grandfather might never have left New Ross, and I might, if fortunate, be sitting down there with you. Of course if your own President had never left Brooklyn, he might be standing up here instead of me.
This elegant building, as you know, was once the property of the Fitzgerald family, but I have not come here to claim it. Of all the new relations I have discovered on this trip, I regret to say that no one has yet found any link between me and a great Irish patriot, Lord Edward Fitzgerald. Lord Edward, however, did not like to stay here in his family home because, as he wrote his mother, “Leinster House does not inspire the brightest ideas.” That was a long time ago, however. It has also been said by some that a few of the features of this stately mansion served to inspire similar features in the White House in Washington. Whether this is true or not, I know that the White House was designed by James Hoban, a noted Irish-American architect and I have no doubt that he believe by incorporating several features of the Dublin style he would make it more homelike for any President of Irish descent. It was a long wait, but I appreciate his efforts.
There is also an unconfirmed rumor that Hoban was never fully paid for his work on the White House. If this proves to be true, I will speak to our Secretary of the Treasury about it, although I hear his body is not particularly interested in the subject of revenues.
I am proud to be the first American President to visit Ireland during his term of office, proud to be addressing this distinguished assembly, and proud of the welcome you have given me. My presence and your welcome, however, only symbolize the many and the enduring links which have bound the Irish and the Americans since the earliest days.
Benjamin Franklin–the envoy of the American Revolution who was also born in Boston–was received by the Irish Parliament in 1772. It was neither independent nor free from discrimination at the time, but Franklin reported its members “disposed to be friends of America.” “By joining our interest with theirs,” he said,”a more equitable treatment . . . might be obtained for both nations.”
Our interest have been joined ever since. Franklin sent leaflets to Irish freedom fighters. O’Connell was influenced by Washington, and Emmet influenced Lincoln. Irish volunteers played so predominant a role in the American army that Lord Mountjoy lamented in the British Parliament that “we have lost America through the Irish.”
John Barry, whose statue we honored yesterday and whose sword is in my office, was only one who fought for liberty in America to set an example for liberty in Ireland. Yesterday was the 117th anniversary of the birth of Charles Stewart Parnell–whose grandfather fought under Barry and whose mother was born in America–and who, at the age of 34, was invited to address the American Congress on the cause of Irish freedom. “I have seen since I have been in this country,” he said, “so many tokens of the good wishes of the American people toward Ireland . . .” And today, 83 years later, I can say to you that I have seen in this country so many tokens of good wishes of the Irish people towards America.
And so it is that our two nations, divided by distance, have been united by history. No people ever believed more deeply in the cause of Irish freedom than the people of the United States. And no country contributed more to building my own than your sons and daughters. They came to our shores in a mixture of hope and agony, and I would not underrate the difficulties of their course once they arrived in the United States. They left behind hearts, fields, and a nation yearning to be free. It is no wonder that James Joyce described the Atlantic as a bowl of bitter tears. And an earlier poet wrote, “They are going, going, going, and we cannot bid them stay.”
But today this is no longer the country of hunger and famine that those emigrants left behind. It is not rich, and its progress is not yet complete, but it is, according to statistics, one of the best fed countries in the world. Nor is it any longer a country of persecution, political or religious. It is a free country, and that is why any American feels at home.
There are those who regard this history of past strife and exile as better forgotten. But, to use the phrase of Yeats, let us not casually reduce “that great past to a trouble of fools.” For we need not feel the bitterness of the past to discover its meaning for the present and the future. And it is the present and the future of Ireland that today holds so much promise to my nation as well as to yours, and, indeed, to all mankind.
For the Ireland of 1963, one of the youngest of nations and oldest of civilizations, has discovered that the achievement of nationhood is not an end but a beginning. In the years since independence, you have undergone a new and peaceful revolution, transforming the face of this land while still holding to the old spiritual and cultural values. You have modernized your economy, harnessed your rivers, diversified your industry, liberalized your trade, electrified your farms, accelerated your rate of growth, and improved the living standards of your people.
The other nations of the world–in whom Ireland has long invested her people and her children–are now investing their capital as well as their vacations here in Ireland. This revolution is not yet over, nor will it be, I am sure, until a fully modern Irish economy shares in world prosperity.
But prosperity is not enough. Eighty-three years ago, Henry Grattan, demanding the more independent Irish Parliament that would always bear his name, denounced those who were satisfied merely by new grants of economic opportunity. “A country,” he said, “enlightened as Ireland, chartered as Ireland, armed as Ireland and injured as Ireland will be satisfied with nothing less than liberty.” And today, I am certain, free Ireland–a full-fledged member of the world community, where some are not yet free, and where some counsel an acceptance of tyranny–free Ireland will not be satisfied with anything less than liberty.
I am glad, therefore, that Ireland is moving in the mainstream of current world events. For I sincerely believe that your future is as promising as your past is proud, and that your destiny lies not as a peaceful island in a sea of troubles, but as a maker and shaper of world peace.
For self-determination can no longer mean isolation; and the achievement of national independence today means withdrawal from the old status only to return to the world scene with a new one. New nations can build with their former governing powers the same kind of fruitful relationship that Ireland has established with Great Britain–a relationship founded on equality and mutual interests. And no nation, large or small, can be indifferent to the fate of others, near or far. Modern economics, weaponry and communications have made us all realize more than ever that we are one human family and this one planet is our home.
“The world is large,” wrote John Boyle O’Reilly.
“The world is large when its weary
leagues two loving hearts divide,
“But the world is small when your enemy
is loose on the other side.”
The world is even smaller today, though the enemy of John Boyle O’Reilly is no longer a hostile power. Indeed, across the gulfs and barriers that now divide us, we must remember that there are no permanent enemies. Hostility today is a fact, but it is not a ruling law. The supreme reality of our time is our indivisibility as children of God and our common vulnerability on this planet.
Some may say that all this means little to Ireland. In an age when “history moves with the tramp of earthquake feet”–in an age when a handful of men and nations have the power literally to devastate mankind–in an age when the needs of the developing nations are so staggering that even the richest lands often groan with the burden of assistance–in such an age, it may be asked, how can a nation as small as Ireland play much of a role on the world stage?
I would remind those who ask that question, including those in other small countries, of the words of one of the great orators of the English language:
“All the world owes much to the little ‘five feet high’ nations. The greatest art of the world was the work of little nations. The most enduring literature of the world came from little nations. The heroic deeds that thrill humanity through generations were the deeds of little nations fighting for their freedom. And oh, yes, the salvation of mankind came through a little nation.”
Ireland has already set an example and a standard for other small nations to follow.
This has never been a rich or powerful country, and yet, since earliest times, its influence on the world has been rich and powerful. No larger nation did more to keep Christianity and Western culture alive in their darkest centuries. No larger nation did more to spark the cause of independence in America, indeed, around the world. And no larger nation has ever provided the world with more literary and artistic genius.
This is an extraordinary country. George Bernard Shaw, speaking as an Irishman, summed up an approach to life: Other people, he said “see things and . . . say ‘Why?’ . . . But I dream things that never were– and I say: ‘Why not?'”
It is that quality of the Irish–that remarkable combination of hope, confidence and imagination–that is needed more than ever today. The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics, whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were, and ask why not. It matters not how small a nation is that seeks world peace and freedom, for, to paraphrase a citizen of my country, “the humblest nation of all the world, when clad in the armor of a righteous cause, is stronger than all the hosts of Error.”
Ireland is clad in the cause of national and human liberty with peace. To the extent that the peace is disturbed by conflict between the former colonial powers and the new and developing nations, Ireland’s role is unique. For every new nation knows that Ireland was the first of the small nations in the 20th century to win its struggle for independence, and that the Irish have traditionally sent their doctors and technicians and soldiers and priests to help other lands to keep their liberty alive.
At the same time, Ireland is part of Europe, associated with the Council of Europe, progressing in the context of Europe, and a prospective member of an expanded European Common Market. Thus Ireland has excellent relations with both the new and the old, the confidence of both sides and an opportunity to act where the actions of greater powers might be looked upon with suspicion.
The central issue of freedom, however, is between those who believe in self-determination and those in the East who would impose on others the harsh and oppressive Communist system; and here your nation wisely rejects the role of a go-between or a mediator. Ireland pursues an independent course in foreign policy, but it is not neutral between liberty and tyranny and never will be.
For knowing the meaning of foreign domination, Ireland is the example and inspiration to those enduring endless years of oppression. It was fitting and appropriate that this nation played a leading role in censuring the suppression of the Hungarian revolution, for how many times was Ireland’s quest for freedom suppressed only to have that quest renewed by the succeeding generation? Those who suffer beyond that wall I saw on Wednesday in Berlin must not despair of their future. Let them remember the constancy, the faith, the endurance, and the final success of the Irish. And let them remember, as I heard sung by your sons and daughters yesterday in Wexford, the words, “the boys of Wexford, who fought with heart and hand, to burst in twain the galling chain and free our native land.”
The major forum for your nation’s greater role in world affairs is that of protector of the weak and voice of the small, the United Nations. From Cork to the Congo, from Galway to the Gaza Strip, from this legislative assembly to the United Nations, Ireland is sending its most talented men to do the world’s most important work–the work of peace.
In a sense, this export of talent is in keeping with an historic Irish role–but you no longer go as exiles and emigrants but for the service of your country and, indeed, of all men. Like the Irish missionaries of medieval days, like the “wild geese” after the Battle of the Boyne, you are not content to sit by your fireside while others are in need of your help. Nor are you content with the recollections of the past when you face the responsibilities of the present.
Twenty-six sons of Ireland have died in the Congo; many others have been wounded. I pay tribute to them and to all of you for your commitment and dedication to world order. And their sacrifice reminds us all that we must not falter now.
The United Nations must be fully and fairly financed. Its peace- keeping machinery must be strengthened. Its institutions must be developed until some day, and perhaps some distant day, a world of law is achieved.
Ireland’s influence in the United Nations is far greater than your relative size. You have not hesitated to take the lead on such sensitive issues as the Kashmir dispute. And you sponsored that most vital resolution, adopted by the General Assembly, which opposed the spread of nuclear arms to any nation not now possessing them, urging an international agreement with inspection and controls. And I pledge to you that the United States of America will do all in its power to achieve such an agreement and fulfill your resolution.
I speak of these matters today–not because Ireland is unaware of its role–but I think it important that you know that we know what you have done. And I speak to remind the other small nations that they, too, can and must help build a world peace. They, too, as we all are, are dependent on the United Nations for security, for an equal chance to be heard, for progress towards a world made safe for diversity.
The peace-keeping machinery of the United Nations cannot work without the help of the smaller nations, nations whose forces threaten no one and whose forces can thus help create a world in which no nation is threatened. Great powers have their responsibilities and their burdens, but the smaller nations of the world must fulfill their obligations as well.
A great Irish poet once wrote: “I believe profoundly . . . in the future of Ireland . . . that this is an isle of destiny, that that destiny will be glorious . . . and that when our hour is come, we will have something to give to the world.”
My friends: Ireland’s hour has come. You have something to give to the world–and that is a future of peace with freedom.
Thank you.
end
What difference is there between Ireland (Eire) and Iraq or Syria or Lybia or Yeman or Afghanistan or Somalia or any of the Muslim states being destroyed by the colonial power of the USA.
Fuck America and its shite.
To Freedom fighters all over the world Oro se do bheatha ‘bhaile.
They are not mentally ill it is the great satan that pushes its sickness and true men of the earth fight the American oppression.
And it is globalism that pushes its sickness as well. Having read the entirety of your posting of JFK’s speech, I am very sorry to read that he was pro-globalism, and also, along with the other devils of the U.S., called for “world order”, aka a “New World Order (NWO)”, which is nothing but enslavement of the world, while only being in the false guise of “freeing” and “saving” the planet. He was obviously fooled, as many have been and continue to be, by the “uniting of the nations” lie, and doing away with the sovereignty and borders, and independence, of nations, which will be their downfall, and the downfall of the world. JFK was wrong on this matter, and those who stand for True Human Rights, and True Liberty and Freedom, must stand up against this false uniting under the evil(s) of global government in the guise of “good”.
http://www.wolfbritain.com/#UnitedNationsEnslavement
I tend to think as a Knight of Columbus his view was anti masonic. The Australian Knights of the Southern Cross was set up by the church to fight the masonisc world order. In Australia the newspapers use to put No Catholics or Jews need apply under Position Vacant listings.
His naivety of the United nations is excusable in the context of hope that the few might conquer the many (e pluribus unum was foreign to his stated view). View his speech as a call to arms of small nations combined against the mighty. That in common groung the small nations would fight the Masonic communism of the east and the masonic power of the west. The fight against the eastern masons was easily stated considering the political holdings of his nation. The fight against the world wide conspiracy is given in his speech “the president and the press” given at the Warldoff Astora.
The globalist shot him so he can never be spoken of as one of theirs.
My Relation (my grand mother was a Mannix) was Arch Bishop Mannix. He was stopped from going to Ireland lest he rally the nation to overthrow the Brits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Mannix
In 1914 Australia entered World War I on the side of the United Kingdom and when Mannix denounced the war as “just a sordid trade war”, he was widely denounced as a traitor. When the Australian Labor Party government of Billy Hughes tried to introduce conscription for the war, Mannix campaigned against it and it was defeated. He spoke out more frequently about the 1917 referendum, which was also defeated. This campaign included a speech before a huge crowd of perhaps 100,000 at the Richmond Racecourse, which was provided by John Wren.[2] The extent to which Mannix influenced the outcome of the vote has been debated widely. When the Labor Party split over conscription, Mannix supported the Catholic-dominated anti-conscription faction,[2] led by Frank Tudor (although Tudor was not a Catholic). Among the Catholic politicians whose careers he encouraged were James Scullin, Frank Brennan, Joseph Lyons and, later, Arthur Calwell. In 1917, when Carr died, Mannix became Archbishop of Melbourne.[2]
Mannix opposed the Easter Rising in 1916 and always condemned the use of force by Irish nationalists.[citation needed] He also counselled Australians of Irish Catholic extraction to stay out of Irish politics.[citation needed] He became, however, increasingly radicalised and in October 1920 led an Irish republican funeral cortège through the streets of London following the death of the hunger striker Terence MacSwiney, the Lord Mayor of Cork City in Mannix’s native county.
In 1920, Mannix travelled from Melbourne to San Francisco and then by train he journeyed to New York in order to take passage on the White Star Line ship the RMS Baltic to Ireland. A rally reported to be made up of 15,000 New York Irish was organized on 31 July at the White Star Line docks at Pier 60, Chelsea Piers on the West side of New York. This show of support was to send off Mannix, who had been so outspoken on the English rule in Ireland, and successfully led anti conscription campaigns during WW1. The rally ensured that David Lloyd George would allow Mannix passage to Ireland.[4] However shortly before the RMS Baltic was due to arrive in Cork Harbour, it was stopped and boarded by British military, who arrested Mannix and transferred him directly to England.[5][6]
RMS Baltic, until 1905 the largest ship in the world, from which Archbishop Mannix was arrested and removed to prevent him landing in Ireland
By the end of the war Mannix was the recognised leader of the Irish community in Australia, idolised by Catholics but detested by others, including those in power federally and in Victoria. He had spoken against the Treaty of Versailles, saying it would lead to a greater war than the one just ended.[citation needed] For many years he was ostracised and not invited to the official functions his position would have entitled him to attend.[citation needed] Mannix formed the Irish Relief Fund, which provided financial support for the families of those shot or imprisoned by the British. When he left Australia in 1920, to visit Rome and the United States, the British government refused him permission to visit Ireland or British cities with large Irish populations, which resulted in an extended stay in Penzance. There was also a serious, though unsuccessful, move to prevent him returning to Australia.[2]
Mannix supported trade unionism but opposed militancy and strikes. In the 1920s he became outspoken in opposition to the Industrial Workers of the World and the Communist Party of Australia. On all matters of personal and sexual morality, he was a traditionalist and an upholder of the authority of the Church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Columbus
JFK was the last of the American Presidental heroes.
Look at his record. No man did more to promote civil rights than him.
his speech to the nation
Title: Excerpt from a Report to the American People on Civil Rights, 11 June 1963
Date(s) of Materials: 11 June 1963
Description: CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System) motion picture excerpt of President John F. Kennedy’s full radio and television report to the American people on civil rights. See “Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: John F. Kennedy, 1963: Item 237.” In his speech the President responds to the threats of violence and obstruction on the University of Alabama campus following desegregation attempts, explaining that the United States was founded on the principle that all men are created equal and thus, all American students are entitled to attend public educational institutions, regardless of race. He also discusses how discrimination affects education, public safety, and international relations, noting that the country cannot preach freedom internationally while ignoring it domestically. The President asks Congress to enact legislation protecting all Americans’ voting rights, legal standing, educational opportunities, and access to public facilities, but recognizes that legislation alone cannot solve the country’s problems concerning race relations.
His brothers speech on the death of Martin Luther King
Civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. was murdered on April 4, 1968. Robert F. Kennedy, campaigning for the Democratic nomination for president, arrived in Indianapolis for a political rally among an urban, primarily African American crowd. His aides suggested that he cancel the appearance; he chose instead to make the announcement of the civil rights leader’s death and then speak extemporaneously on the subject.
Ladies and gentlemen, I’m only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening because I have some very sad news for all of you — could you lower those signs please? — I have some very sad news for all of you, and, I think, sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight [screams from crowd].
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort.
In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black — considering the evidence evidently is, that there were white people who were responsible — you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization — black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another.
Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand, and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond or go beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: “Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.”
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness; but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that’s true, but more importantly, to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love — a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we’ve had difficult times in the past; and we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it is not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.
Dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
I will try again to post at this shite comment section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Columbus
The Irish Brigade was led into battle on that occasion by Brig. Gen. Thomas F. Meagher, who had participated in the unsuccessful Irish uprising of 1848, was captured by the British and sent in a prison ship to Australia from whence he finally came to America.
My gg grandfather was Thomas Fingleton a Rockite (code named Power) sent to Australia for life in 1831. His brother William Fingleton was a Captain Rock. He was the most wanted man in Ireland
http://members.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/sharp/sharp_newspapers.html
7 divisions of British Troops were sent after him but he was captured but he tried to save his brother (burning of the hulfs in cork) after escaping from the most secure goal in Ireland. He then hid apon a ship and sailed to Canada.
Fingletons bend their knee to no man and spit at the oppressors.
Dublin Freeman’s Journal Friday 9 January 1830 p4
A ROCKITE TAKEN. — (Extract of a letter from Maryborough.) — “A very troublesome fellow in this country has been at length arrested by the constabulary — no less than William Fingleton — he who distinguished himself so much at the attack for arms upon Patrick Brenan’s house at Cloppook, some months ago. After the defeat and route of his party, on that occasion by Brenan, this Fingleton had taken refuge among a string of relatives, from whom — though his conduct was odious and his restless mind dangerous — he received protection from the most unwearied pursuit. Always well armed, he feared no man, and threatened the death of all who were obnoxious to him. He is in Maryborough gaol since last Sunday, where also his brother, Thomas is confined since his participation in the same desperate attempt on Brenan’s house. His labours and study were directed avowedly to the assassination of all whose testimony could be available in the prosecution of himself and his brother.”
It takes courage to fight a might foe.
To call those that fight oppression “mentally ill” is an insult to the bravery of mighty men.
James Fingleton Wild
Part of an answer to the question posed in the headline is that intelligence uses allot of complex computer analytics, charts and graphs the likes of which we cant imagine, when intel does something it’s usually for at least ten different reasons at the same time, even triggered by an automated response. I can speculate a few different reasons why they manufacture these events, though we can be sure of one thing, the end result.
Sometimes I can count about twenty different reasons, and I’m sure I’m missing half. Just count the ways the situation benefits r1b’s, horrifically cripples “everyone else”, and results in statistical genocides, like they do.