Thousands of Israelis rallied in Tel Aviv’s Rabin Square on Tuesday in support of an army medic who was caught on video last month apparently executing a wounded Palestinian suspect following a knife attack in the occupied West Bank.
The medic, Sgt. Elor Azaria, 19, was charged with manslaughter by an Israeli military court on Monday for firing a single bullet into the head of Abdel Fattah al-Sharif, killing him, on March 24 in the city of Hebron. Sharif was one of two young Palestinians suspected of lightly wounding an Israeli soldier in an area of the city inhabited by Jewish settlers.
Crowd chants "Elor the hero" and "death to Arabs." This seems more like a celebration of murder than anything pic.twitter.com/2QHDpIT0LJ
— Dan Cohen (@dancohen3000) April 19, 2016
Video of the incident recorded by a Palestinian witness and posted online by B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, showed that Sharif was lying prone on the ground, already immobilized by previous gunshots, when Azaria cocked his gun and shot him.
Haaretz, the Tel Aviv daily, reported that his supporters shouted slogans including, “He’s a hero,” and “Release the soldier.” The soldier’s mother thanked the crowd of about 5,000, according to a police estimate, and reminded her son that “from a young age, you wanted to be a combat soldier and give back to your country.”
Elor Azaryas parents Oshra and Charlie in front of the stage pic.twitter.com/YPwJuF8Qfa
— Ben Hartman (@Benhartman) April 19, 2016
Chant: Release the kid or we'll turn the country over
— Ben Hartman (@Benhartman) April 19, 2016
Ahmad Tibi, an Arab member of Israel’s parliament, shared an image of one of the soldier’s supporters holding a sign that read, “Kill Them All.”
Message of the new Israeli justice & equality: "kill them all" in tel aviv rally supporting a murderer soldier pic.twitter.com/t9CqN777ya
— Ahmad Tibi (@Ahmad_tibi) April 19, 2016
Elizabeth Tsurkov, an Israeli rights activist, pointed to video of the demonstrators dancing to a religious song.
Rally in support of Hebron executioner tonight. They dance to a religious song about relying on no one but God https://t.co/5MkLSsyqXz
— Elizabeth Tsurkov (@Elizrael) April 19, 2016
Noam Sheizaf, a Tel Aviv journalist and blogger, suggested that the size of the crowd, which failed to meet expectations, was less important than the fact that the prime minister appeared to be following the lead of the ultranationalist demonstrators.
I estimate about 6k at right wing rally in Rabin sq in support of IDF soldier who executed Palestinian attacker pic.twitter.com/3erdw7YG3C
— noam sheizaf (@nsheizaf) April 19, 2016
The problem is not with the 6k at Rabin sq. now. the problem is w/ the man at prime minster office following their lead
— noam sheizaf (@nsheizaf) April 19, 2016
As The Intercept reported, polls show a majority of Israelis oppose the military’s decision to prosecute the soldier, and Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, backed away from his initial condemnation of the shooting.
Ayman Odeh, the Palestinian leader of the opposition Joint List in Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, observed on Twitter that the protesters were right to say that the medic’s actions were not an aberration but a clear result of the policies pursued by the Israeli government and military in the occupied West Bank.
There was also reportedly strong sentiment in the crowd against left-wing Israelis and the media. Video posted online by Israel’s Channel 10 showed one of its reporters, Moav Vardi, being threatened by the demonstrators.
??? ????? 10 @MoavVardi ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????. ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? pic.twitter.com/hAGqxiGsYE
— ????? 10 (@news10) April 19, 2016
As the Jerusalem Post reported last month, an Israeli military prosecutor told a court that Azaria told his commanding officer immediately after the shooting that he had fired the shot because “the terrorist needed to die.”
Elor Azaria, an Israeli army medic charged with manslaughter, in a military court in Tel Aviv on Monday.
Photo: Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images
Tuesday’s rally was only the latest show of support for Azaria, as the filmmakers Dan Cohen and David Sheen reported earlier this month.
Mr. Mackey
There is a clear difference how you treat support of lawless acts by Israelis and Palestinians. A show of support by Israelis for an IDF soldier accused of murdering a “suspected” Palestinian attacker is newsworthy while the support by Palestinians of the attempted murder of a busload of civilians by a Hamas operative in the West Bank is ignored. Your hypocrisy and/or support for terrorism couldn’t be clearer in this example.
You wrote three articles covering the IDF execution of the wounded “suspect” accused of knifing an IDF soldier. The last article was titled “Thousands of Israelis Rally in Support of Soldier Who Executed Wounded Palestinian”. One picture displayed in the article showed an Israeli with a sign that said “kill them all” referring obviously to the Palestinians. The article noted that a majority of the Israelis oppose prosecution of the IDF soldier charged with manslaughter. The article also suggested that left wing Israelis were threatened by the crowd. Your article was clearly meant to show right wing Israelis in a bad light – lawless or even fascist and certainly full of hate toward the Palestinians.
As you know, a Palestinian terrorist connected with Hamas ignited a suicide vest on a bus in East Jerusalem injuring 20 Israelis and killing the suicide bomber. There was no mention of this clear act of terrorism targeting civilians by the Intercept. In a story published by the Jerusalem Post (“Hundreds of Palestinians march in support of Jerusalem bus bombing suspect”), Palestinians celebrated the “young martyr”:
“……A mass demonstration took place on Wednesday as hundreds marched to the yard near the house of the family of the Palestinian teenager suspected of carrying out Monday’s Jerusalem bus bombing in a show of support for the young martyr……”
You chose to ignore this act of terror and attempted murder by the Palestinian terrorist – and the subsequent honoring of the Palestinian terrorist by hundreds of Palestinians. By choosing to ignore this story, you treat the bus terrorist as a “victim” and the Jews riding the bus as the terrorists – a very common position at the Intercept regarding Islamic terrorism.
It is possible to figure out a bigot and racist by just looking at their faces. There is a certain corrosion present there. Just look at Mackey’s face. You can clearly see it there. I don’t need any further evidence, although there is plenty in his case. The Marxist swine doesn’t even mention the word Arab or Muslim when he writes about terrorist acts. Because he doesn’t know anything better. If he went to college, he has learned nothing more than how to feel good about himself: I know nothing, but I feel good about it, because I am fighting for the greater good. A journalist my poop…
ROFL…Yea, you delusional anti-Semite, but only after Zionism corrodes enough of your brain. And there is certainly corrosion present there, anti-Semite. Just look at your comment history. You can clearly see it there.
And plenty of “anti-Semitism” to keep you warm at night, nu?
LMAO…This overstuffed Zionist piglet doesn’t even mention the word Zionism or “israel” when he writes about terrorist acts. Because Zionism corroded his stupid little brain.
Yea, anti-Semite, and if you hadn’t been completely unhinged from reality, you wouldn’t be blabbering incoherent nonsense to yourself in internet comment threads, or writing such inane bilge…
Some titbits about Max Blumenthal:
Max Blumenthal, one of our favorite anti-Semitic activist authors, was recently dis-invited from speaking at an event in Germany, the Algemeiner reports:
The leader of the main opposition party in Germany, the far-left Die Linke (“The Left,”) has shut down a forthcoming party seminar at the German parliament featuring Max Blumenthal, an American writer of Jewish origin whose visceral attacks on Israel are widely regarded as anti-Semitic.
Since Blumenthal is well known for, among other things, harassing our students/ colleagues, spewing blatantly false rhetoric, and just generally hating on Israel, we can’t say we’re disappointed (or even surprised).
Max Blumenthal’s books and articles frequently compare Israel to Nazi Germany, an analogy which many experts on anti-Semitism view as anti-Semitic, since it deliberately seeks to wound the Jewish state by portraying it as no different from a regime that systematically murdered six million Jews and millions of others. A State Department briefing paper on anti-Semitism states unequivocally that “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” is anti-Semitic. The Simon Wiesenthal Center has included Blumenthal in its “top 10? list of anti-Semitic slurs for 2013, because of chapter headings in “Goliath,” such as “The Concentration Camp” and “How to Kill Goyim and Influence People.”
More recently, Blumenthal is credited with having invented the Twitter hashtag #JSIL, which stands for “Jewish State in the Levant.” Israel is the equivalent, he believes, of the Islamic State terrorist organization currently engaged in a genocidal campaign against the Christian, Yezidi and Kurdish minorities in Syria and Iraq.
Blumenthal is a frequent visitor to college campuses, but this recent dis-invitation shows that, sometimes, reason prevails, and there are people who agree that naked bigotry is not acceptable.
http://www.cameraoncampus.org/blog/tag/max-blumenthal/
If you go down the linked page, you will see Blumenthal’s Twitter comment (yes, he did it) in response to a hoax attributing horrible words about Arabs to late Israeli PM Sharon. In reality, Sharon has never said that…
Indeed, as Breitbart put it: Max is the lowest and most disgusting form of a human being…
Here is a direct Twitter quote from Blumenthal regarding Sharon:
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/523606089913614336?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Yes, I agree. Let’s be civil and “Refrain from bigoted statements about Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians.” And to anti-semitic ants: don’t worry, bigoted statements about Jews and Israel are allowed, welcomed and encouraged. After all this is the Intercept…
You have Mona unhinged threatening to ban posters, but she is very representative of the radical left promoting some of the most ancient Jewish canards and conspiracy theories.
In her case, I think there is definitely some serious disbalance on the chromosom level. Also, I can bet my finger she has some Arab blood in her, which couldbpartially explain her genocidal hatred towards the Jews…
Nah, anti-Semite, you definitely can’t think, whatever the case.
LMAO…Yea, you deranged Zionist anti-Semite, but only because “some Arab” had to genocide your stupid little brain, after you “bet” your brain, and lost. And you know where you can stick your finger…
This is my last comment in this thread. To the Zionists I’ve engaged here, if we meet again in other Israel-Palestine threads at this site, this is how it is going to go:
1. There are limits to the poorly executed attempts at “gotcha!” I will entertain. Those derail substantive discussion, and I won’t play that game much again.
2. The logical fallacies are not a grab bag of rhetorical weapons to toss out without regard to whether they apply. Nor are they to be engaged in by you with the expectation that I’ll go down the rabbit hole with you explaining why your fallacious bullshit is fallacious bullshit.
3. Have relevant facts, documented facts, available, or I won’t do much more than correct anything that other readers might mistakenly think is credible.
4. Pro tip: Unhinged wingnuts like Andrew Breitbart are not credible sources. No one should be expected to listen to him ranting abusively at anyone, and I regret having not summarily refused to even watch or discuss any video featuring him.
5. Refrain from bigoted statements about Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians etc. At some point a sufficient amount of that merits reporting you for banning, just happens here when the offenders are antisemites.
Adieu.
“Refrain from bigoted statements about Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians”
Woof. At least I can make bigoted statements about the Jews. Good to know. Thanks for the rules.
Face it when presented with facts that countered your narrative you dismissed them claimed they were false and yet couldn’t provide any dispute that they were wrong.
1) you are just as guilty of everyone else of executing “gothcha” or are you forgetting pointing out to me the difference between slander and libel.
2) When posted that there were Jews that were indigenous to the region your counter argument was to give me a population figure that not only couldn’t you prove, but in no way countered my claim. How is that for logical fallacy .
3) I have provided relevant facts your refusal to look at the documentation is your problem not mine. When I asked you to specifically point out a fact you wanted confirmed you ignored the request.
4)As I already said Breibart was not the source of my claim he just happened to be there when Max got caught on camera lying. You were just using his presence as an excuse.
5) I agree with that 100% Let’s see when barabbas gets banned for using classic anti-semitic tropes.
There is no question that you are a complete nut and hypocrite Mona
This is hard to even describe. Just watch this 10 minute video taken Israeli David Sheen (who speaks and translates Hebrew), of an angry Israeli throng in Tel Aviv celebrating and “supporting” the accused solider, some in the name of “the Jewish people.” Religious fanatics abound, but the uber-nationalism — the toxic tribalism — is most shocking.
It must be agonizing to identify as Jewish, and be a moral person, and see things like this supposedly about “all Jews.”
A member of parliament in the Likud Party: “We will win and we will fuck the Arabs! Ole Ole Ole.”
Just. Watch. It.
Yes, it is pretty dispiriting to watch this. Of course Zionism is not Judaism, but when a huge number of Israelis and American Jews keep conflating the two, it’s no wonder the anti-Semites get confused as well.
Zionism = Racism.
Ha! Where are the Israeli Gandhis?
Uri Avnery for one, and plenty more.
http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/bds-boycotts-divestment-sanctions-by-uri-avnery
Fake Palestinian People
Zuheir Mohsen, a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria as-Sa’iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979, openly admitted that Palestinian people were a fake people, created only out of propaganda and the excuse to war against Israel and the Jewish people.
In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw Zuheir Mohsen said:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.”
Zuheir Mohsen is not the only one admitting that Palestinians are a fake and created people. Created by a terrorist organization from the inception of the new Israel. The same admission was openly blurted out by Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad on Egypt TV on March 23, 2012, where Fathi Hammad admitted that Palestinians were actually from neighboring Arab countries: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis”. Because Palestinians are a terrorist creation, Arab nations refuse to give residency to those who now want to leave Gaza and second generation “Palestinians” that are now born in “Palestine”, while they openly use the conflict as a tool to perpetrate Jew hate and propaganda.
http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1596643
People who lived in Palestine for many generations are Palestinians. They are indigenous, whether the colonialist oppressor wants to play semantics or not.
And, as a friend of mine over at RW pointed out, “Palestinian Arabs sought for national independence at a time when nationalism was on the rise. A British royal commission report chaired in 1936 by Lord William Robert Peel was charged with determining the causes of conflict in Mandate Palestine. The report found that”:
BTW, I tried to follow your link and got this message:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen
That’s nice. A leader of the Syrian Ba’ath party at violent odds with Palestinians said something once. Ok then.
“A leader of the Syrian Ba’ath party”
He was a member, not a leader of Ba’ath party. And that was before he became a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria as-Sa’iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Have you heard about PLO?
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Zuheir_Mohsen#cite_note-0
Look behind you: there is a wall there… :)
Oh my, gorsky, you seem not to know what your own links state:
Uh-huh. So, a Pan-Arabist, Baath party leader said something to promote his ideological agenda. And? Does the guy also speak for the Lebanese and Jordanians?
pffft
Give it up. You will be even less successful than you were over there, and that didn’t turn out too well for you.
This late in a stale thread I’m the only one left engaging your easily-dismissed propaganda, but usually you will be overwhelmed by some other very smart and bright, well-informed people.
And I say again. Stop playing games and educate yourself:
http://www.thefullwiki.org/As-Sa'iqa
He was a PLO member and at some point was considered a replacement for Arafat. He is OVERLY good enough as a rep and spokesman for fake Palestinians.
You are right, this thread is becoming stale, not that it ever was fresh. Well, maybe a fresh pack of journalistic impotence.
But this truth about Fake Palestinian People coming out of the mouth of one of their leaders will be prominently posted in the respective thread of each article the Intercept spews out regarding Israel.
Cheers and see you later…
Here are some more links with the same quotes:
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Zuheir_Mohsen
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/palestinian-people-do-not-exist/
The Mufti and the Führer
In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/mufti.html
The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1
In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti’s requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches….The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely….the Jews….” Hitler replied:
Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine….Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle….Germany’s objective [is]…solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere….In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2
In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.
Re: “schizophrenic” liberal Zionists
The heart of their problem is that, generally, they want history to begin in 1967, and to take that as the starting point for considering the plight of Palestinians, and opposing the occupation. But the salient date, for Palestinians and many of their supporters, is 1948.
Without endorsing it all, I found this Jonathan Freedland book review of the works of three liberal Zionists illuminating. He quotes Israeli liberal Zionist, Ari Shavit, who wrote in My Promised Land:
Shavit’s book tells the ugly truth about 1948, and he announces he will “stand with the damned.” But most liberal Zionists work hard not to look at 1948. They find it intolerable to make the choice of whether or not they align themselves with the damned, and struggle to not have to “go there.”
They will not grapple with the contradictions of ethno-religious supremacist nationalism (i.e., Zionism) that is squarely incompatible with liberal universalism.
That, then, is what I mean when I cite their “schizophrenia.”
On the contrary Mona. I want to start prior to WWI when the land in dispute was controlled by the Ottoman Empire and was considered southern Syria and almost all the land was owned by ethnic Turks. This land had a population of Jews most of whom’s families had been their since the beginning of recorded history. I want to then go to the period immediately after WWI when the Ottoman’s were then on the losing side and two mandates were created on the Great Britain and one to France. Great Britain took 80% of their mandate and gave it to the Hashemite Arabs for what was to become Trans Jordan. Prior to this Hashemites had never lived in this territory. Let’s jump to the 1920’s when Jews praying at the temple mount resulted in Arab rioting which resulted in massacres of Jews and and eventually the expulsion of Jews from Hebron. Now let’s jump to the 1947 when the the British turn the area over to the UN, which in keeping with the policy in that region decided that self determination for various groups was the best policy voted that the 20 % of the mandate area left after the rest had been given to Jordan was to be partitioned into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted this plan however Arabs rejected this plan as was their right. After the state of Israel was declared the surrounding Arab countries attacked it with the intention of destroying it. The resulting conflict ended with Israel in control of more territory and as many as 800,000 Palestinian displaced persons who the surrounding Arab countries refused to settle this also resulted in the expulsion of Jews from East Jerusalem and many other Arab countries. In the aftermath Jordan annexed the WB and it residents were given Jordanian citizenship, Gaza came under control of Egypt. The Arab states never recognized Israel and refused to discuss the possibility of peace. For the next 19 years there was no discussion of a Palestinian state among the Arabs only an effort at Pan Arabia that would retake the land that consisted of the state of Israel.
The bottom line is that Jews had just as much a right to self determination as any other group and certainly more right than the Hashemites who had never lived there at all.
GilGamesh, your unsourced assertions are incorrect. Israeli liberal Zionist Ari Shavit admits (and documents) the monstrous atrocities Zionists committed on the indigenous Arabs of Mandate Palestine, but you are one of those who still cannot.
I commend to you this article on Zionismthat I made large contributions to, which is heavily sourced. Several well-informed people, one a grad student, also edited in a great deal of historical documentation.
what assertions did I make that you believe is false or questionable?
Why Gil, you are the one who has issues with “lies of omission.” Again, I commend to you the link I gave.
But let’s pick one of your claims:
In 1900, the area that would be Mandate Palestine had a Jewish population of about 4-5%. The rest were Palestinian Arabs, Muslim and Christian.
Let’s say you could demonstrate (as you have not) that this tiny percentage of Jews could be shown to have been there since the beginning of recorded history. So what?
Like the vast majority of the Jews who colonized what became Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu is ethnically a Polish Ashkenazi Jew; his father was born in Warsaw as Benzion Mileikowsky.
Benzion was a disciple of the violent colonialist Zionist, Vladimir Jabotibnsky. They planned in the 1920s– explicitly — to expel the indigenous Arabs with the bayonet, and eventually did so. The British were forced out by Zionist terrorism, which is how the cauldron Zionists created in the Mandate fell into the hands of the UN.
So you still can’t point to one thing I wrote that was false.
Please source your claim of 4 or 5 percent.
Arafat was born in Egypt.
Were the Arabs also trying to force out the British?
In 1914 it was 7.6 %; by this time, a good bit of European-Jewish colonization had been done. I’ve read many books on this topic and have seen the 1900 figure, but I’m not spending the time to find it right now.
The notion that the growing population of European Jews colonizing Palestine had a right to ethnically cleanse and take the homes, villages and cities of the indigenous Arab population is repugnant.
Actually, I wrote that your assertions — collectively and plural — are “incorrect.” Among the many, many sources (including Jewish journalists historians) that can correct your narrative, please see the link I provided to the “Zionism” article.
yet you still can’t name one. lol.
You are making the claim my assertions are false, if you can’t point to a single one that is false why would I have any interest in reading a narrative you helped to compose.
“The notion that the growing population of European Jews colonizing Palestine had a right to ethnically cleanse and take the homes, villages and cities of the indigenous Arab population is repugnant.”
Where did I write that? Again you falsely represent what I wrote no wonder you are such a fan of Max’s
Also why would I read wiki page by someone who claims what I wrote is incorrect and yet could not point out anything that was false . How is giving what you believe was the percentage of the population was Jewish contradict anything I wrote?
Also why would I read wiki page by someone who claims what I wrote is incorrect and yet could not point out anything that was false .
How does giving what you believe was the percentage of the population was Jewish contradict that most of the Jews living in the area in the 19th century had roots in the area that went back centuries ?
1967, 1948
How about a couple of thousands years ago. Here is the map of that time. Israel is in blue. I was looking for fake palestinians, they were nowhere to be found…
http://www.explorethemed.com/IAIsrael.asp
You can’t negotiate with these things who call themselves Palestinians. If it is not clear to you based on watching the video: http://www.animalsaustralia-media.org/upload/photos/gaza-strip-2013/ , then one should examine Gaza Government’s Charter where they state that peace negotiations are ‘but a waste of time’ and resources and the only way to advance the Palestinian cause is Jihad. Do I need to spell out the definition of Jihad?
The lies and deception of closet anti-Semites at the Intercept and its readership boards is dispelled by one simple facts: after a war, which was unleashed by multiple Arab countries, which Israel won, the parties made peace and Jordan and Egypt gave on their claims to the now disputed territories. And by the way, there were no Palestinians at that time; nor were there claims by others to the disputed territories. So, essentially, both Gaza and West Bank legally belong to Israel. There were groups of Arabs some Jordanians, some Saudis most of them criminals, bandits and hoodlums who fled Saudi Arabia and mainland Jordan. Their mother countries didn’t want them for obvious reasons. There was no reason Israel would want them either. These groups organized themselves as Palestinians and pronounced their mission: removal of Israel and the Jews from the Middle East. Israel has always stood ready to give these things land in Gaza and West Bank to have their own country. But these savages, as written in their charter do not want to negotiate, as they have in mind a better prize: the destruction of Israel and the Jews.
Again, it has to be said that no other country on Earth would tolerate what these savages do to Israel and Israelis (essentially the same thing they did to Australian cattle in 2013). Had this happened in the US, UK, France or any third world country, the offending party (Palestinians) would have been wiped off. I fault Israel for the apparent inability to do so…
Your unsourced assertions, and “Israelis/cattle” shtick are almost cute. But it’s decidedly not cute to continue to refer to the victims of Zionist oppression and murder as “savages.”
You really continue to be a fine exhibit of how Zionism often leads to a depraved mind. Carry on.
“to refer to the victims of Zionist oppression and murder as “savages.”
Hmm. Logic wasn’t your favorite subject either: The nature of someone who is SAVAGE does not change or depend on his status of a victim. In other words: Hitler did not stop being SAVAGE, because his regime and Germany were victimized by the Soviet Union and Allies at the end of WW2.
That you dislike my admonition does not render me illogical. It’s very simple. You are arguing in defense of an oppressor that has committed great atrocities on its victims, the Palestinains. You call these human beings “things” and “barbaric savages.”
I suggest you discontinue that, because altho this site’s moderation is extremely light, antisemitism that corresponds to your repugnant statements about Palestinians has gotten people banned.
Hopefully, you can grasp that logic.
“That you dislike my admonition does not render me illogical.”
Stop playing games.
You made a statement that I can’t call Gazans and Westbankians SAVAGES, because they are “victims” of “Israel’s Oppression.” Let’s assume for the purposes of this discussion that they are victims of Israel’s Oppression. My response was SAVAGES don’t stop being SAVAGES because of their status as victims of oppression. And I gave you an example: Hitler’s status as SAVAGE did not change when at the end of WW2 he and Germany became victims of the actions of the Soviet Union and Allies.
But I do agree that your statements here are NOTHING MORE than admonitions…
Enjoy
I very seldom engage in name-calling, and do not do so now to say you are factually wrong because you are a loathsome bigot. (THAT is the ad hominem fallacy.)
No, I state the manifest reality that you are a loathsome bigot; you continue to demonstrate this by referring to Palestinians as “savages.” In addition to your foul and repeated citing these human beings as “things.”
Stop it.
I mean it.
As much fuss as I’ve kicked up here over antisemites, and lobbying to have a few of them banned, I run the risk of being called out on not being consistent when filth about Muslims/Arabs is at issue. I won’t run that risk much longer.
“Stop it.”
You are in no position to put out childish threats, especially when you are the one whose dirty spit and shrieks of schizophrenia and socio-paths are all over the Intercept. And the more you are against the wall with your illogical arguments and admonitions, the louder your shrieks become. What I can say, other than LOL and you have been exposed….
To finish on a lighter note: consider yourself “civilly eliminated.” :)
I should modify that “carry on” bit. Actually, your constantly referring to a whole group of people — Palestinians — as “things” and “savages” and to rant in a grossly bigoted manner about them, does arguably cross the threshold of what gets people banned here. It has for several anstisemites.
Ban me.
There is a saying “to keep one honest”… . Unfortunately that doesn’t apply to you or the Intercept, as neither you nor the Intercept are capable of being honest. But to expose your lies, hatred, deception and vile anti-semitism — that I can continue to do…
gorsky posts darkly amusing assertion:
Not if they’re Jews who have harmed or killed a Palestinian. Not even sort of.
As Yuval Diskin — a former director of Shin Bet — recently wrote: There are two justice systems in Israel and the Occupied Territories. One absurdly lenient for Jews, who get nearly total impunity. And a draconian one for Palestinians.
And it’s not just the Ultra-Orthodox. Israel has moved very, very far right, even proto-fascist. Diskin again:
And you, gorsky, with your calling Palestinians “things” and “barbaric savages,” and wanting to see the soldier treated lightly, you are representative of what is toxic in Zionism. Max Blumenthal documented how your sort is in power and dominates in Israel.
The seeds of Israel’s destruction, well gorsky, you are one of those seeds.
From Haaretz: Israeli Soldier Indicted for Shooting Wounded Palestinian Assailant Released for Passover
He was released to hero’s welcome, and the photo shows him being carried on the shoulders of a celebrating crowd, as he widely grins.
Brought to you by The Only Democracy’s ™ Most Moral Army.™
That’s a good news. Now, the efforts must made to help the soldier with his defence, because Israeli prosecutors are known to be like attack dogs who rarely let their pray go, whether it is a soldier, former Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister or President. I wonder if Hamas government has the same zeal or they just cut heads to close a case…
Rabid square,maybe.Just another nail in the coffin for my support for Israel !
Excerpts from the Charter of Palestinian Government in Gaza:
Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences: [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad.“Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.”
From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.” Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120
There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.
http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b_3.htm
Yes, let’s have a conference with these peace loving beings
GilGamesh spews a common and false Zionist accusation:
For at least two years I’ve engaged in contentious exchanges with Zionists about Max. Not one has been able to document lies he’s supposedly told.
Max is extremely careful with facts. Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel, is richly detailed and documented — I’ve see all of two criticisms about very minor, immaterial fact errors in it. (It is almost impossible to write a book of such scope without a few minor errors. Almost all authors make them. I’ve been a manuscript reader and even with a lot of us on it, they can sneak through.)
Eric Alterman, who is outraged by Max and Goliath, “reviewing” it in the Nation, called it “technically accurate.” That means: accurate.
Do you know what a lie of omission is? If you had read Alterman’s review you would know that is exactly the kind of dishonesty Max is about. While I’m digging up some good examples enjoy Max getting caught in a lie on this video clip. Then if you want to see what a lie of omission is watch Max’s edited version of the same event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIeByOeERpY
Mona do you understand the meaning of lies of omission are? Had you read Alterman’s review you would know that is exactly the type of lie that is Max’s stock and trade.
If you need something a little more simple enjoy this video clip of Max getting caught in a lie.
https://youtu.be/MIeByOeERpY
If you need an example of a lie of omission then go watch Max’s edited version of the same event.
Jesus Christ, Gligamesh. I watched 48 seconds of that — of Andrew fucking Breitbart spewing abuse at Max, and not letting him speak. I scanned the comments there. Pile upon pile of vicious ad hominem attacks and wishes to do violence to Max.
What is the matter with you?
forget the comments, Mona I wasn’t referring you to them nor do I in any way endorse them. As a matter of fact I will renounce them. Respond to Max getting caught in a lie. Sorry but your refusal to watch the evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t prove Max lied. Interesting how you couldn’t watch the whole video but had no trouble reading those gross comments.
You seem to have no problem telling “Zionists” what’s the matter with them Mona suppose you tell me? :)
I scanned the comments for documentation, or even mention of, a “lie.”
There were none.
You are simply going to have to either provide a transcript, or recite the supposed lie. But I know you cannot, because I’d have had it called to my attention already. I said I’d been at this for two years, but actually, it’s since at least mid-2013. In that time, in many venues, no one has documented a lie from Max Blumenthal.
I don’t have to provide a transcript. The truth is there to see. Something tells me you have seen it already and know you can’t defend it which is why you are using the excuse that you can’t watch it. Have you seen it already Mona?
I do not lie, Gilgamesh. If there were a “lie” there I’d have seen it cited elsewhere. Almost a minute of nearly unintelligible abuse from Andrew Breitbart was more than enough for me. You either directly quote this purported lie, or I reject your evidence.
If you can’t even summarize, recapitulate, this ostensible Max falsehood, we are done here. (Do you realize you haven’t even intimated the subject matter of this “lie?”)
Mona: “For most of my adult life I, too, was a Zionist.”
Do you believe her?
But the same Mona was saying weeks ago that she was raised by anti-semites?!
So, first she was an Anti-Semite, then she turned into a Zionist and now back to Anti-Semitism?
Strange things happen… :)
I’m not in a position to tell anything but the truth about myself here. Many people here know me, including Glenn Greenwald, with whom I practiced law in NYC in the ’90s.
We’re friends, and I told him extensively about my antisemitic upbringing (which I’d rejected before I turned 18). When we met 20 years ago, I was a total Zionist. It wasn’t an issue in the 90s so we didn’t discuss it a great deal, but he knew where I stood.
“my antisemitic upbringing (which I’d rejected before I turned 18).”
Last time you said that happened when you were 21. Were you something else between 18 and 21? Just trying to understand the metamorphose.
No. I have never written that it happened “when I was 21.” I now know where you are from, and as you know, what I wrote there was: “before the age of 21 I particularly denounced their racism, including antisemitism.”
That is true.
Well certainly strange things happen, but Mona’s latest rant concerning a Gamers and Zionists conspiring against her and her son lead me to wonder if Mona isn’t experiencing some sort of emotional issues that are leading to delusions. I regret any part I might have played in agitating her to this point and will be mindful of that going forward.
Haha, Mona is a pretty well-known troll on this site. She constantly spews propaganda of some type or other, and she changes her story constantly. She’s probably paid by some intelligence agency as an opinion manipulator, which is why she doesn’t do the intelligent thing and change her name whenever she changes her story — if she changed her name, it would be more difficult to verify her comments to her boss.
I’m surprised that her comments aren’t removed, honestly. Unles she’s being ironic and I’m taking weird posts too seriously or something
I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole site is a 3-letter-agency project starting from Snowden. Certainly, the big boss’s connection with authorities is well known. Some probably knew that at the outset, others found out and left, some refuse to believe, some just don’t care, as long as their dough is coming. One thing is for sure – they ain’t intercepting nothing. Nor are they producing anything original.
Was the 200 mln a payoff for Snowden? We’ll never know…
How uncharitable of you. This did indeed happen. The Zionist miscreant was banned from the site: Rational Wiki. His pals continue to sign up with names like “I want to rape Mona,” and are promptly locked out.
In any event, I did some googling, and this “lie” you claim Max committed, and apparently it has to do with a Salon article he wrote about James O’Keefe and his racism. Salon issued the following correction to the piece:
That’s not documentation of “lies.” No reasonable person would think so. And now I understand why you wouldn’t quote, or even describe Max’s purported lie: there are not any.
Well, you should really be accepted into the Intercept. Your writing is full of fact twisting, omission, and stretching to fit your extremist agenda. First of all, this is not about who and what O’Keffe was/is, this is about Blumenthal’s lack of integrity and journalistic skills. This is what Salon is known for: to produce partisan hecks and demagogues.
In the article Blumenthal (who worked for Salon) insinuated that O’Keefe had organized a white-supremasist/anti-semitic event. In reality, O’Keefe was just attending the event with several other people. And by the way, the real organizer was half Jewish half Korean and one of the panellist was African American. Salon took a picture of O’Keefe and photoshopped his head onto a white suite to further insinuate the “white supremacist” nature of O’Keefe. You can still see the photoshop job in the corrected article:
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/03/james_okeefe_white_nationalists/
That’s Mr. Blumenthal’s journalism…
I see. And you stand on all that trivia about a 6-year-old article to argue that Max Blumenthal is a liar. Including whatever the Salon graphics people did at the piece that bugs you.
Good luck with that.
In the meantime, Goliath stands, as does Max’s latest book, The 51 Day War: Ruin and Resistance in Gaza. Greenwald conducted an excellent interview with Max about 51 Day War, available here.
No, no, no… I don’t stand on anything. I made that post to correct your ‘story’ about Blumenthal/O’Keefe where you were stretching, twisting and omitting the facts to fit your extreme ‘ideolotry.’ :)
How peculiar to claim you “corrected my story” about the Blumenthal/O’Keefe article. Almost the entirety of my discussion of that article in that comment is a verbatim quote of Salon’s correction.
Somehow that is related to my extreme something, something, something.
[shrug]
Max on camera denies having ever called O’Keffe a racist. Then when it is point ed out to him that he used that very word about O’keffe in his blog he embarrassed by being caught he slinks out.
Max Blumenthal, in my humble view, is a despeakable being: very limited intelligence, which he tries to compensate with excessive arrogance; he looks and sounds like Himmler; he is lacking an SS uniform, which would fit him perfectly. I agree with the late Breitbart’s characterization of him.
Look at his little interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztHmjV5134
and note how he looks (like a dog on a plate of sausages) at a soon to be 21-year-old woman who is asking him a question…
The Jewish prophetic tradition has been a deep blessing to the West, especially perhaps in the United States. Jewish-Americans have been the salt of social justice movements in the 20th century. They still often are.
The rabid, racist nationalism that is Zionism has poisoned much of the Western Jewish community, but the younger generation is reclaiming their prophetic tradition. This past Tuesday some of them held a Liberation Seder in front of Hillel’s headquarters in Washington D.C , and one of these young Jews wrote, A new era of anti-occupation Judaism, my emphasis:
Yes Mona, this was an event organized by Ifnotnow, many of whom including one of the founders Simone Zimmerman identify themselves as Zionists. If you are telling the truth they are liars, if Max is telling the truth they have dead souls? How do you explain?
Yes, some of them, indeed, identify as Zionists. In my strong view, they are living a schizophrenic existence. I’ve had respectful arguments about this with Zionist David Harris-Gershon. (David would never, remotely, submit to me a clip from fucking Andrew Breitbart!)
For most of my adult life I, too, was a Zionist. It was difficult to let it go as I became awakened to the truth — which included the truth that I, and we in the West, have been horrendously lied to by a Zionist narrative that was replete with absolute falsehoods.
But, I’m not Jewish. (I have a great-great-great-grandmother nee Solomon, who apparently converted to Roman Catholicism upon marriage in Eastern Europe. But I am, culturally and ethnically, predominantly Irish-Catholic. An atheist by “faith.”) I wasn’t raised to see my identity inextricably intertwined with Zionism and Israel. It must be extremely difficult to let go of the liberal Zionist fantasy.
But, I’ve read Jews who made the painful break, and who challenge others to do it as well. I am persuaded theirs is the only moral position.
“David would never, remotely, submit to me a clip from fucking Andrew Breitbart!)”
I’m not sure what the difference is between remotely giving you a video clip or giving it to you in person would make. Is Mr Harris-Gershon something of a Luddite who has not mastered the ability to provide a link in a post. If so, please feel free to send him my way and I will be happy to explain to him how it is done.
Mr. Harris-Gershon is a sane individual who I imagine knows exactly what Andrew Breitbart was. Therefore, he would never submit to me a video of Breitbart screaming abuse at someone as evidence of anything other than the sickness that was Andrew Breitbart.
A sane individual who leads a “schizophrenic existence” ? hmmm
Yes, many people do. Some Christians who believe in creationism attend their denomination’s religious university where there is, say, a physics department. At this department the usual ages of the universe, as well as the Earth, are assumed and taught.
Human beings have a tremendous capacity to compartmentalize dissonant beliefs and facts.
False equivalence. They are not agreeing with the physics department they just have a job there. Did you really use to be a lawyer?
Yes. Give them what they want:
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/04/yes-moscow-bans-islamic-sacrifice-of-fully-conscious-animals-for-upcoming-muslim-holiday-of-eid/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5hGEIrjmuw
And they want no BSD…
“Defining political issue of our time”: NYU grad student union overwhelmingly votes to boycott Israel over violations of Palestinian human rights
Moreover, the University of Massachusetts Amherst just passed a BDS resolution by referendum; the City University of New York Doctoral Students Council also voted in favor of an academic boycott of Israel. National labor unions are also increasingly voting to support BDS. Many leaders and participants in these events are young Jews.
Crank hasbara in this comments section is not going to stop this. Only justice for Palestinians will.
Max Blumenthal once said of Zionism that it kills Palestinian bodies and Jewish souls. The truth of this strikes me again and again, as various Zionists come to these comments and post the most sick and depraved commentary, as well as lies. “Jonah” telling Sufi Muslim she must abandon her religion because it is immoral while he spews the most base Islamophobic trash seen here in a long while. “gorsky,” declaring that Palestinians are “barbaric savages,” strongly implying they deserve all the atrocities Israel imposes on them, and brazenly lying about the vile proposal Israel’s Intelligence Minister recently made.
The grotesque comments and naked lies that Zionists, around the world, offer to Palestinians and their supporters are simply breathtaking. These words are the fruit of ethno-religious supremacist nationalism, that is: Zionism.
It could never have been otherwise. As many Jews warned, including Hannah Arendt and Judah Magnes. Militaristic nationalism, based on mandated Jewish majority and privilege, is toxic.
And yet you have no problem with barabbas invoking classic anti-Jewish tropes like “The zionista currency method is a scam and a sham.”
hmmm
Oh please. I’m notorious here for denouncing antisemitism in very unrestrained language.( I saw that statement, and frankly have no idea what it means.) In fact, I’ve lobbied, successfully, to have several of them banned.
But even if none of that were true, whataboutery is as relevant here as it always is when Zionists so frequently engage in it.
Did you see what “gorsky” wrote in this sub-thread? This: ” I think these things have never seen unjust violence from Israelis. ” He’s referring to Palestinians, and has referred to them as “things” at least twice in this thread. And as “barbaric savages” — in the context of the death and destruction rained on them by Israel.
As Max said, Zionism kills the Jewish soul.
“He’s referring to Palestinians, and has referred to them as “things” at least twice in this thread. And as “barbaric savages” — in the context of the death and destruction rained on them by Israel.”
Another pack of lies. Yes, they are barbaric savages, but in the context of the torture for sport and death and destruction they inflict on men, women, children and domestic animals. Just watch the Video again and again and again.
Of course it’s whataboutery, but why does that make it any less valid?
If you had responded directly to his post calling him out specifically I wouldn’t of had a problem, but your comment was directed at all Zionists who post on this thread of whch there are about 3. Why isn’t valid to point out that some anti-Zionists who post on this thread also post “grotesque comments and naked lies”.
As for Max he’s the last person someone who claims to be offended by lies should quote.
It’s fallacious. It is a species of the red herring tactic and often involves tu quoque fallacy and balance fallacy. Zionists engage promiscuously in this fallacy. (I’ve documented this fact with articles about this prevalent tactic, and will do it again if you like.)
No. It was not. I wrote of ” various Zionists com[ing] to these comments” and identified two specific ones. Obviously you are in this thread and I didn’t cite you.
Mona, Don’t tell me about others, lets see if you can tell me how my remarks, were fallacious?
“I wrote of ” various Zionists com[ing] to these comments” and identified two specific ones. Obviously you are in this thread and I didn’t cite you.”
No you spoke of various Zionists coming to this thread and then use those two as examples to make your point which you then increased to include Zionists around the world.
You engage in bigotry and stereotyping. Zionists are diverse, not only in their views about the I/P situation but in everything else. That you see them all as the same speaks volumes. I don’t know about other anti-Zionists but your tactic seems to be to accuse zionists of all being liars, and using dishonesty as standard tactics when you are challenged with valid responses that you have no honest answer for. I speak for myself and no body else if you want to address what I said then have the common courtesy to address me directly.
It takes this form:
Me: Many X do Bad Thing Y, which is invariably going to happen when they subscribe to Ideology Z.
You: [waving hands] Why didn’t you say anything about a B doing bad Thing C?
It is, among other things, a non sequitur; unresponsive to my argument. Whataboutery is the frequent recourse of those who can’t defend their own side’s actions and wish to change the subject. Which is what you tried to do.
I have never said or imp[lied otherwise, and I know this to be absolutely true. Again: I did not include you in my examples. Nor have I ever written all Zionists engage in this grotesque behavior. Simply a lot of them.
Indeed, I’ve been the direct object of a campaign in which Gamergaters and Zionists joined to publish contact information for my adult son and his neighbors with instruction to call and tell them vicious things about me, such as that I “support pedophiles.” Each online cohort — Gamergaters and Zionists — contain vile sociopaths, and together, they are abominable.
From much direct experience of Zionists, and that of men like Glenn Greenwald and Max Blumenthal, I know this to be so.
You said what I wrote was fallacious. Either back up this slander with actual proof or admit you are a liar like Max.
Oh yes now the Gamergaters and Zionists have entered into a conspiracy to slander Mona’s son. Ok now I get why you and barrabas are ideological partners.
Oh my goodness, I overlooked this bit of silliness:
First Gilgamesh, this discussion is published in writing, , therefore “slander” is not and cannot be implicated here. Written defamation is “libel.”
Second, defamation (slander and libel are two forms of defamation) does not include describing someone’s argument as fallacious. A first year law student could tell you that.
Finally, I cited the myriad ways in which your whataboutery is fallacious, and even posted the form of it. You seem unable to comprehend such basics of logic. Sorry, but there’s nothing I can do about your deficiencies in grasping the principles of formal logic.
For example, this one. Calling him the antisemitic filth that he is is pretty regular for me. Him and others.
But again, even if that were not the case, there is no justification for the words and deeds of the many depraved Zionists ranting to and about Palestinians and their supporters. Such sickness is, however, the inevitable consequence of ethno-religious supremacy as nationalism, that is, the consequence of Zionism.
You don’t call barabbas anything in the thread you linked to.
You still have not shown that anything I said was false .
Just to remind this is what I wrote:
“And yet you have no problem with barabbas invoking classic anti-Jewish tropes like “The zionista currency method is a scam and a sham.”
hmmm”.
““gorsky,” declaring that Palestinians are “barbaric savages,” strongly implying they deserve all the atrocities Israel imposes on them, and brazenly lying about the vile proposal Israel’s Intelligence Minister recently made.”
Another fresh batch of lies.
Watch that video again where “your people” beat, stab repeatedly in the neck (but don’t kill), cut eyes, break knee caps to Australian cattle sent to them not only to feed, but also to breed. Did you see the bulls there? Yes, the naive Australians hoped that these things (your people) who call themselves palestinians could finally start building something, but instead, they had tortured the animals for hours for sports and pleasure. I don’t have to call them barbaric savages. Anyone who is able (and it is not easy) to watch the video to the end can form their own opinion.
“strongly implying they deserve all the atrocities Israel imposes on them”
Repeating lies over and over again won’t turn them into the truth. I don’t need to imply anything. I think these things have never seen unjust violence from Israelis. From their own leaders – yes, but not from the Israelis. I fault Israelis for not resolving this conflict in 1967 or earlier by continuing the war until surrender or total destruction, as no other country on Earth would tolerate what these things do to Israel and the Jews…
It’s really not necessary for me to continue to substantively reply to your vile postings. You are my argument.
“It’s really not necessary for me to continue to substantively reply to your vile postings.”
There isn’t anything more foreign to you than doing something even remotely substantive on this site.
But I agree: there is no reason to communicate further as, you have been substantively exposed as a closet anti-semite and supporter of the Great Plague of the 21st Century – SYSTEMIC ARAB TERRORISM.
You and your lies have been “civilly eliminated.”
Cheers
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2016/03/30/israeli-minster-calls-for-civil-targeted-killings-of-bds-leaders/
BDS is ever more successful. And the Zionist entity’s only solution is calling for more killings. 50 000 Israelis signed a petition demanding a medal for the Mengele Medic — are these people even human anymore?
“Targeted killing of BDS members”
Typical anti-semitic BS. Did you even read the link you posted? Did you see the real translation there from Hebrew, which meant thwarting and explicitely not killing? And yet your type continues to scream targeted killing…
You. Are. Lying. This was reported by Mairav Zonszein. And she links to the Hebrew version.
Israel’s Intelligence Minister called for “targeted civil eliminations” of BDS leaders.
The Internet exists. Hebrew-speaking Jews are exposing the depravities of Zionists — Zonszein is hardly the only one. You better get used to it.
What you are doing here is not working, and cannot work. Indeed, your depraved insistence that Palestinians are “barbaric savages” who deserve how their oppression, as well as your brazen lying, are only more ammunition with which to defend Palestinians, here and elsewhere.
“Targeted civil elimination”
No, Ms. Handicap Supporter of Terrorism. The LYING is all YOURS.
Now, that I have taken apart the “targeted killing” myth by another member of your clan, let’s do the same with “targeted civil elimination”, which is essentially a “softer” translation of the same Hebrew phrase. Let’s look at the elimination:
n. The act of eliminating, expelling or throwing off.
n. The act of excluding a losing contestant from a match, tournament, or other competition.
n. The act of voting off or throwing off a contestant in a reality television competition.
None of the above denotes physical destruction of a person or killing. Yes: eliminating myths, lies, deception and half-truths. Yes: exposing the lack of credibility and integrity of those who propagate myths, lies, deception and half-truths (like BSD) and thereby ELIMINATING THEM (YOU). And the Hebrew equivalent of the word “Civil” specifically denies the application of the term to murder or physical destruction.
Yes, the Internet exists for liars and haters like yourself, but luckily, it also exists for those who “eliminate” them.
Cheers
A little more: the term “Civil” in that Hebrew phrase does not mean “Civil” vs. “Military”, but rather “Civil”, as “Civility” and “Civilization”, which in your case means destroying your lies/myths/half-truths/deception; showing the lack of credibility and integrity on your part ; and therefore eliminating you in a civilised way, as opposed to breaking your knee caps, cutting your eyes and throwing you out to die, which your “suportees” do to men, women, children and domestic animals.
You do not rebut what Zonszein reported about the words and their usage as well as implication. I believe her, because filth like that spouts from the mouths and keyboards of Israelis — including their elected and appointed officials — all the time. Rants about me, name-calling & etc.,do not detract from the facts, or from the grotesque positions you have stated in this space.
“You do not rebut”
There is nothing to rebut there: I go to the source in Hebrew and English. All the rest are opinions which include lies, myths, deception and half truths.
P. S. While I might entertain myself with Mr. Chomsky’s or Mr. Finkelstein’s (Titans of Hypocricy) hatred, self-hatred, anarchism and radicalism, I don’t need them to explain to me the meaning of a Hebrew phrase…
You do not rebut Zonszein because you cannot.
All you can do is spew yet more diversionary, irrelevant bilge — this time about Jews you dislike who are not involved in this discussion.
Please don’t fall apart on me. Better give me more myths, lies, half-truths and deception. This time try something more convincing than the myths of “targeted killing” and “targeted civil elimination”… … for exposing and “civil destruction.” :)
CraigSummers v CraigSummers
He doesn’t like the way the author writes about terrorism:
. . .and is just really incensed by terrorists:
. . .and postures righteously against them:
. . .though he would have no problem sacrificing someone else’s population to an internationally recognized terrorist organization:
He condemns as ‘justifying’ those who offer a cause of terrorism:
. . .and in the same paragraph offers a cause of terrorism:
Sgt. Elor Azaria is a fool who sold his soul. Those close who did not prepare him to resist the temptations of evil are negligent and as willing participants as any good nazi.
Decades ago, i believed evil was a fictional character for entertainment and Aesop’s fables. WW2 was past and the new world of the willing good lay ahead. Then came vietnam and the predatory greed of wallstreet. And i re-wondered.
Evil has no power if not followed, if not revered or praised. The antidote for evil is not evil’s ways, it’s laughter, the best medecine.
Zions are seriously bad, but they are also seriously stupid.
“You make it sound like he just found an innocent guy walking in the street and shot him. You do realize that palestinian was an attacker who tried to kill Israeli soldiers.”
You shouldn’t really blame him. He just didn’t know. If one reads MacMackey and Greenwald, one would think that this “executed in cold blood by Mengele medic” “palestinian” was a tourist, while there was some knife attack in the area “occupied” by Israel (and we really don’t know, whether Israelis did the knife attack or someone else. Russians, perhaps? That’s the power of a partisan jack-ass “journalism” that these two emanate. Or if you read MacMaceky’s Brussels reporting, you would think those were gas explosions in the airport. But I wouldn’t blame MM and GG either: they have never known anything better than “ideological reportin” where they stretch, twist, omit the facts to fit their extreme “ideolotry”…
gorsky
If so, it’s about the only thing that isn’t. Israel has been destroying the economy of Gaza and has purposely reduced the amount of food available there. If they don’t do it by blockade, they do it during one of their every-few-years murderous bombing extravaganzas. Indeed, “such is the chilling meticulousness of Israeli planning that in January 2008, almost a year before the invasion of Gaza, the Israeli defense ministry prepared a document detailing the minimum number of calories that Gaza residents would be permitted to consume.”
Then the bombs fell again:
And not just killing off the poultry. Flour, canning factories. This comprehensive, depraved Israeli policy is laid out here.
http://www.juancole.com/2012/10/creepy-israeli-planning-for-palestinian-food-insecurity-in-gaza-revealed.html
Gazans would be allowed 2200 calories a day. Enough not to starve, which would raise the world’s anger, but just enough to keep a person on the brink of starvation. Think of it, all those Nobel Prize minds that Israel is so proud of, feverishly calculating the optimum number of calories. Sick.
Well sure, but see, the real issues are that Palestinians are, as gorsky tells us, “barbaric savages,” and Craig’s endless prattle about all the things that Robert Mackey doesn’t write about.
Gorsky:
As is clear to any thinking person, this topic has nothing to do with Israelis celebrating the slaughter of human beings. Something they do often and grotesquely, as the above article documents.
Mackey’s piece, of course, pertains to but one instance of Israeli barbarism. For another, see this story: Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza: People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive. Don’t overlook the photo of the happy campers with their drinks and coolers yucking it up as their country drops rains death and destruction on other human beings trapped in a blockaded strip of land.
Many, many more examples of depraved Israeli words and deeds directed at Palestinians are “out there.” I could keep posting them quite endlessly. (Oh, and examples of loathsome, racist words and deeds Israelis direct at black African refugees, and even black Jews.)
“As is clear to any thinking person, this topic has nothing to do with Israelis celebrating…”
I am sorry, but you are no spoksgal for any thinking person, and you are not one either.
As I have already mentioned in response to a similar comment by another “thinker”, this is a conflict between Israel and Gazans/West Bankians and the use of this horrendous video of a prolong torture of live animals for sport/pleasure is proper for identification purposes. This represents the identity and culture of those things that call themselves palestinians, a party to the conflict. While your irritation is perfectly understandable: after all the video clearly shows those who you support as barbaric savages, the video is relevant to our discussion…
Watch it again. These ” things” are yours…
people swallow and inhale poisons to kill their bodies.
people believe and support violations of the 10 commandments to sell their souls – effectively killing themselves as human beings.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL has NO EXCEPTIONS.
Zionistas have sold their souls. There is no redemption now. Uncle Lucifer is waiting in hell for the zions.
You may think some fantasy of a guy with a cape and horns and flames all about. That is a fictional representation. It’s much worse than that.
“THOU SHALT NOT KILL has NO EXCEPTIONS.”
Instead of posting on the Intercept, you should preach this to the followers of your own religion. Perhaps that will slow them down somewhat from violating the above principle every day…
gorsky translated: “The victims are ‘barabaric savages’ and subhuman, therefor all the depraved violence and injustice Zionists inflict on them is no bid deal.”
Like so many Zionists, you have the morality of a sociopath.
“gorsky translated: “The victims are ‘barabaric savages’ ”
You really are missing that ‘thinking module’. Aren’t you? I didn’t translate anything. That’s what I said in English and those were my words. “Subhuman?!” Show me where I said that: another demonstration of lies, deception, myths and half-truth.
“all the depraved violence and injustice… is no big deal.”
I have never said that and I don’t think that these things that call themselves palestinians have ever seen unjust violence and injustice. As a matter of fact, as I have already stated: no country would tolerate these killer bees and their barbaric acts. Any other country would have resolved this conflict in 1967 or earlier by totally “eliminating” them, this time meaning war until surrender or total destruction. I repeat: I hope Israel would realize that soon and act accordingly…
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il – cf: Ayman Odeh – “the medic’s actions were not an aberration but a clear result of the policies pursued by the Israeli government and military in the occupied West Bank.”
Re; the cattle video. Absolutely brutal and barbaric. If you brutalize people they will become brutal.. Unfortunately, you will see the same kind of treatment of live animals on Factory Farms all over the USA which is one of the reasons you are not allowed on factory farms where animals are treated like machines (yes I know they are not pets). These animals in the film, at least had relatively quick deaths compared to a lifetime of confinement where they can barely move. Cows milked by Robots with their huge udders swollen by the drugs which are not allowed in most country’s. I have never watched Halal slaughter but I have watched the Kosher slaughter of Cattle and it’s essentially the same knife in the neck while the animal is fully conscious you see here. You may die a much worse death in some Hospital in the USA. The “sport” the people are enjoying is no different than that enjoyed at a Bullfight where the animals are tortured before being killed for the pleasure of the cowards in the audience. Ever watch a MMA match or even a professional wrestling match and watch the “civilized” audience. We have not advanced far from the caves and we are not likely to, ask any Cop or Soldier. While I think the Palestinians should get all their land back, to the UN partition of 48 and reparations. I can also understand why the 19 year old Israeli Soldier would murder the Palestinian. Ask your Secretary of State what American Soldiers did in Vietnam. In brutal situations, people act brutally.
“Re; the cattle video. Absolutely brutal and barbaric. If you brutalize people they will become brutal.. Unfortunately, you will see the same kind of treatment of live animals on Factory Farms all over the USA”
OK, Bob. I understand your generalization. So, who brutalized Americans who “do the same thing to animals” in the US?
By the way, the ceremony you watched from Gaza takes hours and happens every year during muslim Eid holiday. It also happens all over the muslim world: as they sacrifice animals. But only these things who call themselves palestinians do it for fun and pleasure first. And comparing this to quick killing for food is outrageous. One may approve or disapprove killing of animals for food, but the kosher killing or killing at Italian farms (agriturismo) or anywhere in the world (for food) is quick. Here, the “palestinians” take hours of continuous pleasure of torturing the animals before they get killed. Quite a difference. Isn’t it?
All the watering of your fantasies of justifications will not wash you of your sins. Zionistas are on a one way street. That street doesn’t east west north or south. It doesn’t go up either.
Halal killings of animals are no different from kosher killings. Both cut the animal’s throat and it is bled to death. Apparently, our rabid Russian Zio does not eat kosher meat.
I doubt if starved Gazans spent time torturing the animals. They just followed the kosher ritual.
I wish these fiends defending the indefensible would be collected en mass and hundreds of gallons of fake blood dumped upon them. The disease of Zionism has brainwashed Israeli youth, and the society to a point that a brutal hate and bloodlust is normal behavior for them. Leave the Palestinian people alone, and stop terrorizing, and murdering them. If you do not stop, EVERY reprisal is justified and supported by the world at large.
It seems it’s time for this again. Moshe Dayan at a 1956 funeral for a dead Zionist soldier killed by a Palestinian:
The clear-eyed (and monstrous) Dayan understood that no people would passively accept what Zionists did and do to the Palestinians. Of course, the steel helmets and gun barrelsDaytan cited have been replaced by a state-of-the-art weapons stockpile, F-16s, white phosphorous and other horrors.
The world now increasingly understands what Zionist have done to Palestinians, and recoils in outrage and anger.
hm. never knew that. cant imagine why…..
thanks!
Every “palestinian” behind licker* should watch this video of mass torture of Australian cattle that were sent to Gaza/West Bank to help the “hungry.”
http://www.animalsaustralia-media.org/upload/photos/gaza-strip-2013/
*”palestinian behind licker” – definition: one supporting, promoting and glorifying barbaric savages and terrorists targeting men, women, children and domesticated animals for torture and bloody killing
PRESS RELEASE: Australian cattle brutalised in Gaza:
Evidence of sickening abuse of Australian cattle exported to Gaza should re-ignite a national debate on the legitimacy of the live export trade… .
The dozens of videos uploaded to YouTube show terrified cattle tied to poles, trees and vehicles, being stabbed repeatedly in the neck, having their legs bound before being violently forced to the ground and ‘strung out’ for slaughter, being beaten and dragged off trucks – and in two particularly sadistic acts – one bound animal was stabbed in the eye, whilst another knee-capped with bullets from an assault rifle….
http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/press_releases.php?release=198
The above video is dedicated to several groups of beings:
1. Titans (of hypocrisy): Chomsky, Finkelstein, J-Street et al
2. Small Fish: Mackey, Greenwald and the Intercept
3. Ants: anti-Jewish mob: invited, welcomed and nurtured by the Intercept
Here is some more coverage from The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/dec/12/cattle-abuse-gaza-video
I am holding my breath (NOT) until Mackey would cover this and come up with behind licking justifications:
Sending Australian cattle to hungry and oppressed Gazans was an act of colonization, therefore, stabbing in the eyes, cutting ears, breaking knee caps on live animals was self-defence and protest against oppression
And here is some more coverage of Israeli savages from Haaretz:
“Groom in ‘Wedding of Hate’ Charged With Animal Abuse
Yakir Eshbal and three friends filmed trying to hang dog from a tree with a chain:
Yakir Eshbal, the groom at a wedding where celebrants were filmed dancing with guns and stabbing a picture of the Palestinian baby killed in an arson attack in the West Bank last July, has been charged with animal abuse along with three friends.
One of the three had previously been interrogated on suspicion of involvement in the arson attack, which killed three members of the Dawabsheh family in Duma and seriously wounded a fourth. Another right-wing extremist, Amiram Ben-Uliel, has been charged with that attack….”
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.697172
I am in the process of verifying this accusation. Simply because I do know how IDF impersonates protesters.
If it is true…then I am against this as much as I am against the barbarity of the IDF/Settler’s. It confounds me that you would find this disturbing when you can’t seem to find bombing the elderly, women and children, torturing them in your prisons at length and depriving them of the most essential of life’s needs (a home with a roof, water, and ground to sow their seed, olive trees, and on and on).
If this is false…then you will be exposed for who and what you are.
I will give the verification here at TI.
I also find it interesting that this “Humanitarian” shipment from Australia to Gaza seemed to somehow “get through” the IDF blockade of the Gaza port when TWO HUMANITARIAN flotilla’s to Gaza were not only intercepted in International waters, but were boarded by the IDF and unarmed “humanitarian” activists with supplies were murdered.
“I also find it interesting that this “Humanitarian” shipment from Australia to Gaza seemed to somehow “get through” the IDF blockade”
Live cattle is not subject to blockade… . Also, the cows were not armed… Keep digging… :)
Oh, yeah, you go and verify and also don’t forget to expose the Guardian too. What is amusing is that this story seems to be news for your type.
By the way, your type has already been exposed: “If it is true…then I am against this as much as I am against the barbarity of the IDF/Settler’s” So, you are equating the two?! LOL, LOL, LOL…
But of course, the Gazans’ didn’t target the animals, they wanted to target Israeli civilians, but they missed….
Cheers
Just because of your complete ineptitude of complete sanity…I’ll disregard your crap. You certainly have no integrity to be taken seriously just as The Guardian rag. You are a fucking POS. Don’t bother replying.
“I’ll disregard your crap. You certainly have no integrity to be taken seriously just as The Guardian rag. You are a fucking POS. Don’t bother replying.”
So, digging is over. LOL
Easy, easy. Remember, we don’t want you to choke on your own venom in Round 1. :)
zionism is a cult of organized thieves which began in the 1800’s. The thieving rothschild currency monopolizers needed cover so they adopted and supported zionisms and the zionistas. The zionistas paid off the u.s. congress (congress, always for sale) who then passed the Federal Reserve act for their new pimps.
The zionista currency method is a scam and a sham. It is basically an indentured servant creation scheme that is contrary to what Jesus prescribed – so the early banksters had Jesus killed for turning their tables in an act of civil disobedience.
Since then, the zionistas have used jews as human shields so they can continue their crimes against humanity.
google
Dr. Haju Meyer
USS Liberty
the zion cult
UN resolution 3379
24 march 1933
NAKBA
Zions are a classic organized crime operation.
Zionistas are a terrorists.
Zionism will be made illegal.
The world is not fooled.
Don’t you get tired of cutting and pasting propaganda lies? Well, maybe I am asking too much from you.
The world is NOT you, a bunch of anti-Jewish ants…
Cheers
Jewish people are good.
zions are not good.
so say the good jewish people.
https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/rabbis-speak-out-the-130-year-record-of-religious-jewish-opposition-to-zionism
zionism is a Transnational Organised Crime enterprise engaged in theft, genocide, and war.
ZIONISTAS OUT OF ISRAEL
The world is not fooled.
Do me a favor and post this again: I wasn’t able to read it the first time.
Instructions: Cut and Paste…
what is the “The zionista currency method” ?
I love when self proclaimed anti-Zionists out self selves as anti-Jewish. The world is not fooled.
Apologize for the cursing…ending my comments. Peace
“IN THE NEWS: Aussie cattle cruelty in Israel:
Fresh allegations of cruelty within the live export industry have emerged, with footage showing Australian cattle being brutally killed in an Israeli abattoir.
Hidden cameras last month recorded Australian cattle allegedly having their tails deliberately crushed, throats sawn and animals hoisted by one leg while still conscious at the Dabbah abattoir in Deir Al Asad.
Animals Australia, which has released the vision, said the workers’ treatment of the cattle breached Australian and international standards….”
http://animalsaustralia.org/media/in_the_news.php?article=5351
The above video is dedicated to zionist psychopaths and anti-Semites like dorksky, zionist animals who pretend to care about animal welfare, just so their precious little zionist terror colony in Palestine can continue expanding, and continue slaughtering Palestinian children with impunity.
Thanks for posting. Only Muslims live in Deir Al-asad:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_al-Asad
No, thank you, Arab and Muslim hating maggot, for not only exposing the apartheid towns where “Only Muslims live” [sic] in your precious little zionist apartheid state of “israel”, but also for exposing your islamophobia, your anti-Semitism, and your inability to differentiate between “Muslims” and “Arabs”.
Oh, and the Dabbah abattoir only happens to be the largest glatt kosher slaughterhouse in all of apartheid “israel”. Now go hide in the closet, anti-Semite, before one of your animal hating israelian joooooooooooooo savages finds you and has to torture you for sport and pleasure so you can be properly shechted…
So you have to reach to 2013 to find a case of Palestinians “misbehaving”, and towards cows?
In 2013 Israel murdered 44 Palestinians. In 2014 you Zios upped the figure considerably: 2,300 murdered and 17 000 injured. But of course, these were human beings. Cows are obviously closer to you in the evolutionary process. Thanks for making that clear.
“So you have to reach to 2013 to find a case of Palestinians “misbehaving”, and towards cows?
In 2013 Israel murdered 44 Palestinians. In 2014 you Zios upped the figure considerably: 2,300 murdered and 17 000 injured. But of course, these were human beings. Cows are obviously closer to you in the evolutionary process. Thanks for making that clear.”
No, the 2013 story was picked for identification purposes, i.e. to show identity and culture of ‘things” we are dealing with. That horrendous torture of animals has nothing to do with Israel, but everything to do with what these ‘things’ who call themselves palestinians are. So, your arguments about Israelis doing this or that in 2013 should go where they came from: your guts.
“Cows are obviously closer to to you in the evolutionary process”
So, are cows close to me as Israeli or Zionist? Because last time I checked neither Israelis nor Zionists were a race. Perhaps you meant the Jews? LOL. Your type doesn’t need to exposed. YOU DO IT YOURSELF.
Enjoy…
And the Israeli soldier that executed a wounded Palestinian was a “medic”. Wonder what is taught in those much-vaunted Israeli medical institutions? Sounds like the same kind of institutions that Mengele may have attended.
An Israeli is one who carries an Israeli passport. A Zionist is one who follows an ideology of exclusiveness, akin to fascism. A Jew is a follower of Judaism, a religion. Anyone (except Palestinians) can convert to Judaism and become a Jew. Elizabeth Taylor comes to mind. Jews certainly are not a race. Semites are a race. And that includes Palestinians.
“And the Israeli soldier that executed a wounded Palestinian was a “medic”.
You and your type have already convicted that soldier. Nice. If he thought that the “palestinian” was about to detonate explosives, then he is guilty of no crime and neither you, no your mob of anti-Jewish ants nor I know what happened there.
“A Jew is a follower of Judaism, a religion” Try to educate yourself first and then you might get into a category of “small fish.” Glenn Greenwald is a Jew, but he is not religious. Someone who is a follower of Judaism is a Jew in terms of belonging to Judaism, but if that person came from Japan, then he is ethnically Asian. Jew is ethnicity, a fork of the White race, the same way as Italians, Germans, Anglos and Arabs too. Semit is a group that includes several ethnicities, such as Jews and Arabs.
So, when your type says that I am closer to cows, that means race/ethnicity. After all, you are not gonna say that followers of Judaism are closer to cows.
Educate yourself first, so that you understand what YOU are saying. Next stage would be to understand what others are saying.
Cheers
Again, anyone can convert to Judaism and become a Jew. Judaism has always been a prostelyzing religion. How else has it been able to get so many races, from Ethiopians to Poland, interested in it? Over time, a religion acquires rituals that become a part of its culture. I am a Lutheran because of my heritage, I was baptized into the Lutheran church. I no longer follow the religion. Lutherans the world over do not feel a need to go to Wittenberg, where Martin Luther developed his theses, and declare Wittenberg as their own, that “God gave them the land” and start persecuting the local Catholics. Now, why do some Jews feel a need to go Palestine and start persecuting the indigenous Muslims? You may think this is an absurd comparison, but it is not. Zionism has mythicized the Jewish religion for their own ends.
Your Zionism is no different from the Hindutva movement in India, that mythicizes Hinduism and is also extremely concerned about the fate of cows. People have been hanged there for insulting cows. In fact, Zionism and Hindutva seem to be related, you both honor cows above people , see your opponents as “things”, and are willing to kill those who insult cows. Perhaps Zionism is really an offshoot of a form of rabid Hinduism?
You live in a land of make-believe, nurtured by fairy tales. Take time to read Shlomo Sand’s “The Invention of the Land of Israel”.
Gorsky,, read the old Novgorod chronicles. In times of famine, Russians frequently converted to Judaism because the Jewish merchants had stores of grain. Eastern Europeans converted to Russian Orthodox during Tsarist times, because being Russian Orthodox had advantages. The temple of Isis on the Nile was active until about 500AD, when the Christians forbade the worship of Isis. People mostly converted to Islam because it gave them trading advantages. And etc. and etc. People have been switching religions since time began.
Get off you head. This is not about halal, kosher kiliing or killing for food. This is not about cattle. If you think those Gazan savages were killing for calories, you need to replace your thinking module (although from here it looks like you don’t have one at all). This is about torture for sport and pleasure. This is about who/what those Saudi and Jordanian rejects are. “People” in the video are beyond redemption. You don’t negotiate with them, if you want to survive, you send them all to their maker – Total Recall. No other country would tolerate these killer bees. Had these been Quebec separatists doing 1/1000 to America of what they do to Israelis, and the Jews, they would have been nuked on day 3. The sooner Israel realizes this the better – for humanity.
Judaism vs Jewish as ethnicity
You just don’t understand. As I have already said, converting to Judaism does not make you ethnical Jew any more than converting to Christianity turns you into Italian from Kenyan. Just think about Greenwald: he is still a Jew, even if he converts to Islam (I wouldn’t be surprised if he has already done it)…
So there have never been conversions to judaism? That Tribe of Isaac just kept marrying their sisters and first cousins?
“So there have never been conversions to judaism? That Tribe of Isaac just kept marrying their sisters and first cousins?”
Madam Kassandra. Please read my post on the difference between Judaism as religion and Jewish as ethnicity. Don’t let it confuse you. I have never denied any conversion. What I am saying is that there is a difference between religion and ethnicity. It just happens that in English there is just one word for this – Jewish, which denotes both belonging to Judaism (religion) and Jewish as ethnicity. In other languages there are separate words, such as Judai (loose translation), a person who converted to Judaism and Jewish, which denotes ethnicity. There are 2 separate words in Hebrew too, but Israeli law of return applies to both categories.
So, let’s take a look at that a$$hole of journalism, Glen Greenwald again: He is Jewish (ethnically). He is probably not religious at all. He may tomorrow (if he hasn’t already done that) convert to Islam. So, he will become Muslim, but ethnically he remains Jewish.
Let’s take a look at another a$$hole of journalism, Mackey: He is not Jewish, but tomorrow (god forbid, knock on the wood), he may convert to Judaism (knock on the wood again). He will become Judai. While he will never be Jewish ethnically, he will be considered a “Jew” (god forbid again) for the purposes of the law of return…
“So, let’s take a look at that a$$hole of journalism, Glen Greenwald again…Let’s take a look at another a$$hole of journalism, Mackey…”
LMAO…Yea, anti-Semite, after you’ve looked in a mirror again and taken another look at a zionist psychopath, and another a$$hole anti-Semite of Judaism.
“This is not about halal, kosher kiliing or killing for food.”
Yea, anti-Semite, this is about you being butthurt and you spewing disgusting anti-Semitic blood libels about the indigenous Palestinian Arab population of Palestine.
“No other country would tolerate these killer bees. Had these been Quebec separatists doing 1/1000 to America of what they do to Israelis, and the Jews, they would have been nuked on day 3. The sooner Israel realizes this the better – for humanity. ”
LMAO…Yea, anti-Semite, and no country would tolerate being colonized and taken over by psychotic Zionist snakes. If your Israeli colonizers and your zionist jooooooooooooos had been doing 1/1000 to America of what they do to Palestinians, they would have been nuked on day 1. The sooner israel’s little neck is broken, the better – for humanity.
“You just don’t understand.”
You will never understand, Zionist.
“As I have already said…”
You can bleat all you want, anti-Semite; Zionist anti-Semites like you don’t get to decide who is or isn’t a Jew.
“No, the 2013 story was picked for identification purposes”
Yea, you once again managed to identify your vile Zionist anti-Semitism perfectly.
“That horrendous torture of animals has nothing to do with Israel, but everything to do ”
Sure, anti-Semite, sure, because you say so…LOL. OK, anti-Semite, now be sure to bust those raging little zionist guts of yours, before they explode:
http://www.banliveexport.com/israel
“Perhaps you meant the Jews?”
You mean Jews are a race now? Ok, anti-Semite, if you say so…LOL.
“LOL. Your type doesn’t need to exposed. YOU DO IT YOURSELF. ”
LMAO…That’s hilarious, coming from a shameless little Zionist flasher who can’t stop exposing his disgusting Zionist anti-Semitism to all and sundry.
Every “israeli” behind licker* should watch this video of mass torture of Australian cattle that were sent to “Israel” to feed the covetous and greedy zionist colonizers, thieves and murderers.
http://www.animalsaustralia-media.org/upload/photos/israel-live-export-investigation-2015/
*”israeli behind licker” – definition : (1). Anyone supporting psychotic zionist window lickers who, suffering from Zionism induced brain damage, spew vile anti-Semitic blood libels about the indigenous Palestinian Arabs of Palestine. (2). Anyone promoting, glorifying and supporting barbaric zionist savages, murderers, terrorists, thieves, liars, occupiers and colonizers targeting the indigenous Palestinian Arab men, women and children of Palestine for dispossession, colonization, torture, and bloody killing, while pretending to give a fuck about the welfare of “domesticated animals”.
Gorsky writes: You are drunk too, Mona.
Sophomoric insults are not going to stop the impact of outlets such as The Intercept, or of movements such as BDS. You and your Zionist pals can flood comments here with name-calling and wailing about what is not written here, but it won’t help.
Israel takes very seriously the rise in strong opposition to the Zionist narrative that had prevailed until the last decade or so. Last month, Israel’s largest-selling newspaper held a conference in Jerusalem to address what “to do” about BDS. And this happened:
This site is part of the antidote to the Zionist narrative that, for many decades, had disappeared and/or demonized Palestinians. That is over.
The only thing that any of you can do to stop this juggernaut of outrage at Israel is to see justice done for the Palestinians whom — for decades –Israel has been oppressing, murdering, stealing land from, and holding in apartheid conditions. Nothing else will work, and certainly not littering the comments here with base and irrelevant commentary.
We are Lucky with Israeli arab MK Ahmad Tibi and his “Photo” Because I was there 2 hours and made Photos of ALL THE SIGNS IN HEBREW ONLY. Maby Ahmad win a better chance next time hehe (Even Israeli circulated paper likes this album)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32368051@N08/albums/72157665044503754
Mackey shows the Twitter post by Dan Cohen in his article……
“……..Crowd chants “Elor the hero” and “death to Arabs.” This seems more like a celebration of murder than anything……”
……..but will undoubtedly ignore the hundreds that march in support of the Jerusalem bus bomber which targeted and injured 20 Israelis. As Dan Cohen would say: “This seems more like a celebration of [attempted] murder than anything” (my insert in brackets).
An occupied people has the right to defend themselves. Consider the French Resistance, for example, that used every opportunity to blow up enemy transport. No difference. An occupier is an occupier, be they Germans in France or Russians in Poland or Americans in Afganistan, or Israelis in Palestine. Get used to it, occupier.
Here is another story that Mackey will not cover:
“………A mass demonstration took place on Wednesday as hundreds marched to the yard near the house of the family of the Palestinian teenager suspected of carrying out Monday’s Jerusalem bus bombing in a show of support for the young martyr…….Abdel Hamid Abu Srour, 19, a resident of the Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem who is suspected of detonating an explosive on a bus in southern Jerusalem that left 20 others injured, died on Wednesday following multiple surgeries……..”
Now, if Mackey can prove that the surgeons actually finished off the terrorists (sorry, victim), that will be worthy of another story in the Intercept.
“Now, if Mackey can prove that the surgeons actually finished off the terrorists (sorry, victim), that will be worthy of another story in the Intercept.”
Mackey doesn’t need to prove anything. All he has to relate is a conversation between Israeli surgeons discussing operations on already CAPTURED and IMMOBILIZED hero/victim. Was he read his rights before surgery? Did they ask for his consent to be operated by the Jews? How could these Israeli butchers operate on already immobilized victim?
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2016/03/30/israeli-minster-calls-for-civil-targeted-killings-of-bds-leaders/
Israeli Minister of Intelligence calls for murder of BDS leaders, and the audience roars its approval. It is rather quaint that a country that prides itself on its advanced “civilization” should need a minister for “intelligence”. Indeed, calling for someone’s murder because they boycott you truly shows a lack of intelligence.
What was the overall theme in Greek tragedies? “Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.” The writing is on the wall for the Zio empire.
What the Zionist fail to realize is that the “Occupying” of Palestinians is what is keeping Israel relatively safe. At this point in the game Netanyahu will be paying suicide bombers’ families in order to wreak havoc in Israel. The psychopath will stop at nothing when it comes to maintaining his relevance.
What the Elor did was wrong and what the Palestinian was doing was worse. What we don’t hear much of is how Abbas calls for murder and Palestinians follow with knife attacks. How about some reporting of these issues which are clearly related.
You’re quoting The Gatestone Institute? Why not Pam Geller, and that Zionist Anders Breivik?
Most Palestinians view Abbas as Israel’s policeman and would dearly love to be rid of him. You missed the boat on this one.
According to Blumenthal in the interview by Greenwald last year (Operation Protective Edge):
“……..So, the development of the al-Qassam brigades is one of the untold stories of this war. If we look at the casualty total of Israeli citizens, we see that about 72 Israeli citizens died. Sixty-seven of them were combat soldiers, which is evidence that soldiers and not civilians were targeted…….Mohammed Deif, the commander of the al-Qassam brigades, and his spokesman, Abu Ubaida, both explicitly declared they were targeting Israeli soldiers, and not civilians. They mocked the Israeli military as cowards for attacking civilians in the Gaza Strip……”
Last Wednesday, a Hamas terrorist boarded a bus setting off a bomb targeting Israeli civilians. Luckily, only the terrorist died, but clearly the target was a busload of innocent Israeli civilians. Is Greenwald going to interview Blumenthal about the bus bombing by Hamas which targeted civilians?? Blumenthal is a (typical) radical left wing propagandist for Hamas. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization. They earned that designation by targeting Israeli civilians with Qassams and suicide bombers.
“……They [Hamas] mocked the Israeli military as cowards for attacking civilians in the Gaza Strip….” my insert in brackets
Yea, the Palestinians had nowhere to go during the Israeli onslaught while Hamas operatives could hide underground in the labyrinth of tunnels which cost millions to build. That is millions of dollars that could have been used to build (possibly) bomb shelters for the people that elected Hamas to power? When you sacrifice your own population for reasons of propaganda then you are cowards. But the propaganda will continue to work as long as “journalists” like Blumenthal carry the mantra for Hamas (Blumenthal in the Interview with Greenwald):
“……They burst into the military base, killed every soldier they confronted, losing only one man, and then ran back into the tunnel, back to the Gaza Strip, and this operation, the video of it, was deeply inspiring to young Palestinians who had only seen, throughout their lives, video of Palestinians being humiliated by Israeli soldiers……”
You could tell that Blumenthal was gushing with pride for Hamas as they “killed every soldier they confronted”.
All you need to know is how the zion cult in the mid 1800s hijacked jewishish persons as human shields so that the zionistas could pillage countries to take land, rob the people and kill them. You will note that the IDF is much like the NAZI SS. The ADL was outlawed and the U.N. declared zionism as a racist cult. The zion cult also killed 35 Americans aboard the USS Liberty. The zionistas, on 24 March 1933 declared war on Germany then threatened the german banks recently.
For more information on the zionista cult google any of the above or Dr Hajo Meyer – a holocaust survivor who abjectly opposes zionism.
have a nice day.
“…….All you need to know is how the zion cult in the mid 1800s hijacked jewishish persons as human shields so that the zionistas could pillage countries to take land, rob the people and kill them……”
It is all a part of the Yinon Plan, right?
“It is all a part of the Yinon Plan, right?”
ROFL…Yea, anti-Sermite, because 1982 was in the mid 1800s, nu?
Cheers.
GilGamesh writes:
Perhaps, but the ADL — self appointed spokespeople of American Jews — can arrest young Jewish ones for opposing the occupation. IfNotNow held a “Liberation Seder” outside the ADL office today, and many were arrested and peacefully led away to a cop van in cuffs.
Mona: GillGamesh writes: you can’t argue with this drunk arme of anti-Jewish trolls
It was me who said that.
ADL: ADL represents American Jews no more than American Civil Rights Institute represents people of color.
ADL can arrest people: no more than one neighbour can arrest another for noise. They do call the police, but the police are the one to decide to arrest or not. To be or not to be, Mona. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Oh yeah, two shrill Zionist sociopaths whose monikers both start with “G.” I admit to seeing you as somewhat fungible, hence my error.
We agree on something! However, they and a fawning media carry on as if it were otherwise.
And yeah, fer shur man, like right dude. The ADL had nuthin’ to do with those arrests! They objected strenuously and told the cops they were sure they and their co-religionists could work it out. Yup, it happened just like that.
Anyhoo, IfNotNow is a great organization of young Jews rapidly spreading over the country. Expect to see much more of this –how did you put it? — “drunk army of anti-Jewish trolls.”
You are drunk too, Mona. Try not to stretch your “legal” mind too much with inconvenient facts – might break it…
Good luck with ifnotnow and good luck with sanders. Both need it deathly…
“You are drunk too, Mona. Try not to stretch your “legal” mind too much with inconvenient facts – might break it…”
LMAO…That’s hilarious, coming from a mindless anti-Semite who drunk too much Zionism and broke his little brain.
“Good luck with ifnotnow and good luck with sanders. Both need it deathly…”
Good luck with your precious Zionism and good luck with your little israel, anti-Semite. Both need it deathly…
Hey Mona just once I’d like to see you address my points in a rational manner rather than call me names.
Not for nothing but I think someone who for years spends their entire waking hours as Glenn G’s self appointed internet bodyguard has no right questioning the mental health of anyone else.
Alwasy find ig funny when those who pretend to be anti”ZIONIST” out themselves as anti Jewish.
“Alwasy find it funny when those who pretend to be anti”ZIONIST” out themselves as anti Jewish.”
That’s precisely what this is all about. Luckily, they are dumb as egg shells: that’s why it is entertaining. When they have no facts, they make them up like “targeted killing” of BSD members or they “report” on Brussels and you don’t even know whether those were gas explosions or terrorism. But what is clear about these egg shells is the fact that THEY are OBVIOUS, OPEN and NOTORIOUS supporters and promoters of the Great Plague of the 21st Century: SYSTEMIC ARAB TERRORISM
srael is heartless sick apartheid society #BDS
Below I wrote:
GilGamesh replied:
1. Israel holds itself out as a modern liberal democracy characterized by purportedly having The Most Moral Army.™ 2. Israel is oppressing, occupying, still stealing land from and murdering Palestinians. 3. Palestinians are morally allowed to resist their oppressor (but not in any fashion). 4. Attempting to stab the the oppressor’s soldier is not immoral. 5. In all Western democracies, it is immoral for a soldier to execute a wounded, downed assailant.
But many Israelis are turning out in droves to support their murderous soldier, because they don’t care if he is guilty under terms of Western law; he is innocent because he murdered a member of the hated group they oppress.
That is the “morality” growing very fast in Israel.
The world is knowing more about the zionista cult – a world wide group of organized criminals that use religion as a mask and human shield.
Google…
24 march 1933
uss liberty
dr. hajo meyer
finklestein vs blitzer
NAKBA
zion cult
genocide of palestinians
zions either learned from the nazi ss, or, they taught them
google khazikstan
zions and the 12 tribes of israel
hitler and the ashkenazis
have a nice day
Mona writes: “1. Israel holds itself out as a modern liberal democracy characterized by purportedly having The Most Moral Army.”
1) What does that have to do with people justifying the murder of Israeli civilians.
2) Apparently you hold Palestinians to a lower standard of morality, sounds kind of racist to me.
Here is a story that Mackey will never cover because it is a victimless act of resistance (unless the IDF finished off the bomber). The casualties were just Jews (Haaratz):
“…… Hamas in the West Bank claimed responsibility Wednesday for the bus bombing in Jerusalem on Monday that left 20 wounded. The acknowledgment came after health officials in Gaza published a statement saying the Palestinian man who died Wednesday of wounds sustained in the bombing was a member of the group and was responsible for the attack.
Hamas identified the man as a 19-year-old from the Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem………Unlike other terror attacks, neither Hamas in Gaza nor its spokespeople abroad published an official acknowledgment of responsibility for the attack. Immediately after the attack, the organization published a statement praising the attack, but not claiming it…….”
Mackey would never refer to the Jerusalem bus bombing as an act of terror even though civilians were targeted. Of course, he was the author of the article which covered the terrorist attack in Brussels for the Intercept. Mackey never called the Brussels bombings “terrorism” in his article. He also never referred to the victims as…..well victims. In reality, Mackey probably would call the bus bomber who died a “victim”. The other riders on the bus were the oppressors.
It is also interesting how Hamas in Gaza did not claim responsibility. This is similar to how Operation Protective Edge began with the brutal execution of the three Israeli children by Hamas operatives in the West Bank. Hamas leaders in Gaza said they knew nothing about the kidnapping – just like this time. Netanyahu will rightly hold Hamas leadership responsible – again.
You can’t argue with this drunk army of anti-Jewish trolls that are invited, welcomed and bread at this Intersewer outlet. They have no ability to understand or relate to reasoning. You can only expose and/or make fun of them until they start choking on their own venom one after another…
Cheers
“Crowd chants “Elor the hero” and “death to Arabs.” This seems more like a celebration of murder than anything”
I fail to see any “reasoning” with this apparent anti-Arab rabid spew…you fucking cowardly anti semite.
“you fucking cowardly anti semite”
You should really take it easy, as I can feel the spit coming out of your mouth through my screen. :)
No one wants you to ‘choke on your own venom’ prematurely in round 1. Give us the full game…
The difference between you and me is that I do not play games. This sick show of out right terrorism needs to fucking die. Get it? You are a coward hiding behind a bunch of bullies that can’t sleep at night without pissing their beds. I don’t fuck around with terrorists nor am I afraid of them. I can also bet that you have never had a revolver held to your temple clicking away for that one bullet to empty into it…because you are still living. You have no idea what it is to experience terrorism.
“You have no idea what it is to experience terrorism.”
Oh, I do. I was in Paris during the recent bombing there and in Israel during multiple attacks at various times. I am not playing games when it comes to the Middle East, which is quite different from playing with hateful anti-Jewish trolls like yourself at the Intersewer outlet…
Pathetic fucking zero…only a troll would be a nuisance in a place he hates…
“only a troll would be a nuisance in a place he hates…”
Exposing hateful trolls like yourself, as well as the outlet that nurtures them, while having fun, is no nuisance at all. And I don’t hate your type or the outlets that breeds you…
zionism is a thieving genocidal cult of organized criminals that started in the mid 1800s.
uss liberty
dr hajo meyer
jews are good people with hearts of gold
Are there any civilians in Israel society? IDF soldiers ride public buses. They are quartered amongst the “civilian” population, most of whom worship them, unreservedly. The Israeli “civilian” population is armed. Especially, the colonists in their squats on Palestinian land are armed and carry their guns everywhere, while pPalestinians are not allowed to own guns.
There is no question but that the IDF hides among civilians . That was the excuse used for the high civilian deaths in Afganistan, that the Taliban hides among civilians. Israel is a militarized society. It can be argued that there are no civilians in Israel.
What a dopey argument. IDF soldiers go home on weekends and during holidays, sometimes everyday. So, they are “hiding” among civilians after 6PM and when they sleep in their own beds. So, Gazans and Westbankians can target them between 9-6 with no civilian casualties all the want. That’s quite different from launching a rocket from a hospital roof. If you don’t see the difference, then maybe ‘educating yourself’ won’t help…
How much will it take before American politicians are willing to admit they’ve been backing the wrong side when they praised the Israeli regime? How much barbarity committed by the ‘Jewish State’ will it take before the American Jewish establishment is willing to condemn the Israeli regime in the terms that the American Muslim establishment use to condemn the ‘Islamic State’? How much will it take before the sight of the ‘blue star and bars’ flying from a flagpole is understood to be a symbol of the same ideology that the ‘stars and bars’ represents, and the folks that try and portray it as representing something noble are seen as either blind to the truth or racists? Unfortunately, from the statements of even Sanders, the measures to outlaw participation in BDS, and too much else, even absolute proof of cold blooded murder and widespread support for the most obvious of war crimes doesn’t even come close.
The leader of the bdsm is sure proof that Palestinians are not indigenous to the region. Look him up at some point. He’s from Qatar and studies at Tel Aviv university all the while claiming to be Palestinian and calling for a boycott on Israel.
I will never get the left and the right for that matter’s fetish with Israel. Small war on the other side of the world with two peoples fighting over a once empty land. Nothing compared to the war on drugs and communism in the Southern part of Mexico which claimed over 11 times as many people in the last 15 years then on both sides of the Israel Arab conflict in the same amount of time.
Cite the law that permits a govt authority to shoot a prisoner who’s been captured and disabled in the head. Tell me upon which law that is based.
Or is the logic based on the fact that the suspect allegedly broke the law so the authorities then have an equal right to break the law as well? Will this power extend to all acts of suspected criminality? Do we really want to authorize govts with this power to execute suspects on the spot?
Time to stop sending American police to Israel for training.
“Cite the law that permits a govt authority to shoot a prisoner who’s been captured and disabled in the head. Tell me upon which law that is based.”
If you accept that attacking Israeli soldiers with deadly force is a fair game, then killing those attackers is no less fair game, and neither should be covered under criminal statutes, but rather under the law of combat.
Lying in the ground he was “clearly” attacking israeli soldiers with deadly force…
You’re completely crazy…and no i don’t support the killing of israelis
No, he probably wasn’t clearly attacking anyone at the moment, but if the soldier-medic thought he wanted to detonate explosives, which neither you, I, nor anyone except the real actors know, then the killing would be justified.
My statement was in response to a hypothetical question: under what law a government may kill a prisoner who has been captured and disabled.
My reply was that criminal laws should not be applied to that situation at all. I said if you accepted that attacking soldiers with deadly force was a fair game, then killing the attacker was a fair game too. If you don’t know what a hypothetical question/answer is, that is not my problem…
The law of so called combat (one side armed to the teeth while the other has a kitchen knives and bottle rockets) doesn’t include murdering captured so called combatants or enemies.
“The law of so called combat (one side armed to the teeth while the other has a kitchen knives and bottle rockets) doesn’t include murdering captured so called combatants or enemies.”
Deadly force is deadly, because it kills whether by a knife, brick, broken bottle, karate kick, drone attack or nuclear bomb. What’s so difficult to understand here?
“murdering captured…combatants”
As I said, if the medic thought the captured guy was about to detonate explosives (which neither I nor you know), then the killing would be justified. Is it difficult too?
“under the law of combat”……..
That phrase is so revealing and simple that perhaps the persons of such utterances are desirous of the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.
what to do…
“We are Zionist occupied.”
Yes.
“demands from Israel” … Greedy fuckers.
“Chant: Release the kid or we’ll turn the country over”
I have been waiting for this a long time….a prayer answered. There is a day coming very soon when the decent Israeli’s with a fraction of humanity will need a place to go…along with all Palestinians. The blatant reality of this demon worship that is bringing on its own death…and I welcome it. The SHAME upon the parents of this poisoned fruit…the utter reason for their own deaths. The Almighty is against you! I commend the restraint of Moav Vardi to knock out some teeth…and the diligence of B’Tselem and other journalist/persons having the courage to report this. May this evil die a death of the thousands it has taken.
Here’s a better example of enlightened music…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6NG3Q-cAfs
turn it up! \/
Here is another prayer to the Almighty…
Dabke chain surrounding D.C. and crossing the US…
Salam, Shalom, Peace
Jesus showed the world how to get along. Those who listened and followed and repeated learned. But the price was His life. Hell awaits those who do not join with the good of the human people. The media and their war monster promotions seem to be promoting the sales of those one-way tickets on those cruz ships.
Thanks b…
Maybe it’s time for my comments to bow out…there is no reasoning with this evil and I really shouldn’t try. The efforts made here by TI and the abuse the writers receive from these trolls are sickening. But I guess they are used to it. I don’t have the skill to wrestle with them…I just want a delete button. I’m inspired by many here though that have the ability to so. In the end The Almighty wins…and that’s what counts. I am truly sorry for what our government has done to so many people of sovereign countries with the treachery of AIPAC. My hope is for all decent Jews to come out and CONDEMN, CUT TIES, AND SANCTION this fake entity called Israel. BDS ISRAEL
“Maybe it’s time for my comments to bow out…there is no reasoning with this evil and I really shouldn’t try.”
Sleep well. You have never tried… . All you can do is spread your venomous spit and throw POS and F words. Perhaps you think this constitutes trying. Well. You may leave, nobody will miss you or stay and continue to be exposed. Your choice…
:)
correct. You cannot reason with evil.
It may be cathartic to go back and forth with them but it absolutely will not change them.
Their souls have been captured.
Communication with them is an exercise in exorcism.
Once a person’s soul is captured, they no longer embrace good and (hopefully) common relationships.
If you ever have a face-to-face with one of these types, you will notice a stony quality to their expression, a blankness, they do not blink like thinking people do. They stiffen and stare like wolves who spotted prey. And they have a hollowness as if their voice is somehow an echo.
It is as if all meaningful human qualities about them has been removed.
Take care and God bless you…
Gal 5:22-23
25 26
Coward Zionist Jews!
“Thousands of Israelis rallied in Tel Aviv’s Rabin Square on Tuesday in support of an army medic who was caught on video last month apparently executing a wounded Palestinian suspect following a knife attack in the occupied West Bank.”
So, who did the knife attack? Reading this second hand pre-chewed propaganda outburst, one must conclude that Israelis did the knife attack too. Just like in another MACMackey piece about Brussels explosions where one can’t figure out (based on reported facts) who did the explosions. Perhaps the Jews? This is becoming entertaining…
Comparing a Palestinian terrorist to Jesus and Israelis to Nazis may be getting a bit carried away. That’s the sort of thing that gives liberals a bad name – I’m staying off that bus.
This is much more like our own American lynchings — but not really the racist kind, despite the underlying ethnic aspect of the conflict. I mean the “why wait for a trial when we can hang ‘im right now?” kind. The disconnect between the Israeli people and the government on whether there is a death penalty is ordinary politics. But I suspect that this is old-fashioned death penalty politics, not a matter of empty ritualism as the death penalty is in the U.S. now, but motivated by real fear that some deal or mistake will be made and the killer will get out and do it again. Israel *has* traded prisoners for hostages in the past, and that sets a huge seed of doubt that a captured terrorist is really going to stay locked up. I don’t know what motivations the Israeli protesters actually have, but I would think that for them, every terrorist captured alive represents a partial payment toward having Israelis taken captive to be traded for their release. As such — if one puts a very high price on Israeli life and a very low price on a Palestinian terrorist’s life — a person could think of killing them as an act of genuine self-defense, even when they are defenseless.
Of course, I am not saying that this is how things should have happened.
What “Palestinian terrorist”? Not too long ago, I remember a high Israeli official, perhaps a Prime Minister, acknowledging that an attack on a bunch of Israeli soldiers waiting for a bus was not an act of “terrorism”, since it was an attack on a military target. (If anybody remembers this incident, please post specifics!)
Actually, I don’t believe that any Palestinian who attacks the settler population, in the post-1967 occupied territories or even in ’48’, can legitimately be called a “terrorist”, but other opponents of Jewish settler colonialism would draw the boundaries more narrowly.
“……Actually, I don’t believe that any Palestinian who attacks the settler population, in the post-1967 occupied territories or even in ’48’, can legitimately be called a “terrorist”…….”
When you target a civilian, it’s terrorism regardless of whether it occurs in a settlement or not.
“…….The Itamar attack,[2] also called the Itamar massacre,[3] was an attack on a Jewish family in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank that took place on 11 March 2011, in which five members of the same family were murdered in their beds. The victims were the father Ehud (Udi) Fogel, the mother Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children—Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and Hadas, the youngest, a three-month-old infant. The infant was decapitated.[4]…….”
“Infant was decapitated”
That’s what these nice Jordanian/Saudi Arab rejects who call themselves palestinians do. They do it to men, women and children. They do it to animals too. Just google or youtube ‘palestinians torturing Australian cows’ and you’ll see how they use knifes to poke eyes, cut ears, throats etc. Note, they don’t kill the animals right away, but inflict horrific pain on them. And you can hear screams of poor cows and see rivers of blood. But of course, this is too a “legitimate way of defence” against oppression.
you are talking about the “chop off head” execution by saudis.
you are talking about “whipping post lashes” punishment by saudis.
you are talking about KOSHER BLOOD LETTING to bleed animals to death.
that all sounds downright anti-semitic. it also sounds downright anti-saudi.
clever.
You are doing much better when cutting and pasting the same pre-chewed propaganda lies over and over again, as opposed to trying to construct a legible argument.
Although, I am not talking about Saudis, but those are all features of Muslim and Arab world. This is their culture.
And by the way, KOSHER BLOOD LETTING has nothing to do with poking in the eyes, breaking knee caps, stabbing in the neck and torturing of animals who are ALIVE.
Cheers
Torture is not a good practice against any mammal and i would condemn it.
Genocide is not a good practice against any human and both i and God would condemn it.
Beg forgiveness. Accept Jesus. See what happens. You can always discard without penalty of death.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/kangaroo-court-wont-deliver-justice-over-itamar-killings/10371
It doesn’t matter what preceded the murders of the Jewish family. It is still terrorism, OK? The targeting of civilians for political gain is terrorism.
And I CONDEMN every act of cold blooded terrorism of the IDF/ILLEGAL SETTLERS/AND THEIR ACCOMPLICES.
Why do you bother with me when there are a few righteous Israeli’s who are uncovering your deeds? A house divided against itself will fall…with all of its lies, deceptions, and treachery.
Aaron: you’ve *almost* got a point here. Certainly this particular stabber was not as clearly a terrorist as that other one shot under highly dubious circumstances who was running down a line of cars stabbing whoever had a window open. Attacking a soldier at a military checkpoint in the West Bank qualifies as an attack on a military target, which is a big part of what it takes to make a legitimate military operation.
However, there is still the issue of the Palestinian Authority. Do they explicitly condone the attack? I don’t think so. So there is a question of what authority the attack is done on behalf of, which is a way of questioning what purpose it might have. Traditionally (I mean since Aquinas’ idea of “just war”), attacks were supposed to be done on behalf of some authority, not simply at personal discretion. And so by this definition you might call it “terrorism”, even though it’s a different kind of thing than attacking the innocent.
It may be that this whole philosophy needs review. We are in an age where terrorism is becoming the new democracy, as old processes become ever more corrupted and unreliable, and courts refuse to consider actual innocence or human rights. It is a “new age of chivalry”, to put a bright face on it (“dark ages” is the more traditional term), where brave terrorists-errant may serve causes of good or evil. But which is which? Who will write the new knights’ code, and sing the songs of heroes like George Pickering II who stood guard to fend away vampires seeking to devour the body of his son?
For now, I will stipulate that by “terrorist” I was merely following the contemporary usage, glossing over a myriad of details.
If and when you pray, tell God how you see things, your objections, and ask that you not be tempted to falter. This should lessen the burden upon your soul. Amen.
The supporters of the murderer of Michael Brown was similar.
The supporters of the murderer of Trevon Martin was similar.
The supporters of Kristallnacht was similar.
Funny thing about evil, it appeals to the worst in people who are so given to take the blood of the innocent, they trade their souls for the feel of victory and in return get that temptation and lust for more blood for more their newly acquired craving. Vampire of the souls.
Perhaps the murder of Jesus wasn’t enough.
Amen!
The Israelis behavior is no different than the Nazis. The same group that created the holocaust and everything evil in the 1930’s & 1940’s. Soon the Yamika will be synonymous with the swastika…..
Roger that. You become what you hate. Many Jews hate Nazis, and because of their obsessive hatred are blinded. They cannot see the fundamental similarities between the programs of the Hitlerites and their own.
The only way to avoid the trap is to not hate at all. There are after all degrees of affection (or disaffection) between blind love and blind hatred.
barabbas
“……..The supporters of the murderer of Michael Brown was similar…..”
“……..The supporters of the murderer of Trevon Martin was similar……”
“……..The supporters of Kristallnacht was similar……..”
“……..Perhaps the murder of Jesus wasn’t enough…….”
You are certainly proving to be one of the biggest nutcases I have seen post anywhere.
And Mona rests her case about you…
Sounds like Nazis
I spent so much of my life wondering how the Jewish people could have been so persecuted throughout their history. I defended them without question. Because I was lazy and allowed the State and their media mouthpiece to tell me what to believe. And my schools, the adults who mentored me as well praised “God’s chosen people” for their resolute endurance.
Who could doubt such romanticism?
Well, eventually I did. And now I wonder how I could ever have been so blind. There are few, if any other places in the world where such a display of collective barbarity can be seen in so much openness. And in seeming celebration of their own revulsion and hate.
I loathe to wish ill on anyone, but this kind of naked and unashamed immorality tests my Humanity, and tempts evil upon my very soul.
I am now in awe of the Palestinian people for their unyielding will to survive the Zionist horde.
not that i would want to be palestinian, but it is neither a crime to be palestinian. God be with you.
Israel is cursed.
In any sane country these actions would be considered absolutely awful; horrible! Has all of Israel just become a mob frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog that wants to kill anything it can? To even begin to hint that this ‘murder’ was a good thing in the eyes and hearts of Israel’s GOD, its religious leaders, or its people, is to push the Jewish religion off of a cliff and render it about as believable as was the ‘Scientology’ movement. It also appears to be as distinctly violent towards other faiths and other peoples as is Wahhabism, which is practiced by the Saudi’s. Israel is not a very pretty sight right now. They are inhumanely embarrassing also.
The truth there is wholly irrelevant to many Zionists, including some who spew their crap here. Even if the solider is guilty, he’s innocent.
It’s just that simple for them.
Kind of reminds me of the anti-Zionists who excuse the murder of Israeli civilians as justified resistance to the occupation.
How is it similar?
they are both excusing murder.
Kind of reminds me of Zionist terrorism against the British.
read my post again I was comparing those who excuse the murder of the Palestinian who killed the soldier with those who routinely excuse Palestinians who kill civilians.
welcome to hell.
Is this hell? After reading your comments I thought it was an institute for the remarkably stupid.
Even if one believes that it is wrong for Palestinians to kill Israeli civilians who are not active oppressors and colonizers, certainly Israeli soldiers protecting the Judeo-Nazi settlers in Hebron are legitimate targets, as are those settlers themselves.
where did I mention who is a legitimate target Aaron? My reply had to do with Mona’s disgust at the excuses people were making for the soldiers actions.
No,we don’t hate Jews,and no we don’t want them to die,or Israelis,but until all people in the region(and world)are given the same level of security,and their lives given the same legitimacy,there will be no security for any peoples,including Israelis.
Simple as pie,man.
Who is the we you are speaking of?
And some people are confused as to why the US, having backed such a savage regime, is hated throughout the region.
i myself would be unwilling to travel with a u.s. passport.
the shame that israel brings to the u.s.
the zionists make America and Americans a target and care not because they as well hold Americans as goyish lessers.
cruz embraces them, but not the 10 commandments.
Look at the electoral maps of NY,and the Jewish vote.It didn’t go to Trump,or Sanders.(in main)They and minorities carried the HB to victory.Upstate NY was a landslide for Sanders,proving once again,the electoral weakness of HRC.
The hinterlands(non black) hate her,both democrats and repubs.
It must be the Obomba legacy,and her being seen as a continuation,that drives part of her black support,and of course anti Jewish sentiment.I don’t believe I’ve ever seen such ignorance by a voting bloc.She sucks.So does Obomba.
i was wow’d to see cruz at a complete zero. best laff of the year.
good to see Donald take it all(most).
Bernie got screwed. As many crowds as he attracted, i had to believe bigtime voting fraud. So next day sure enough, Schneidermann gets the call.
Hillary would betray American like Obama has.
i am an independent.
“Even if the solider is guilty, he’s innocent.”
Another “pearl” out of a pseudo-legal “mind”… . What happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’? I guess the truth really is irrelevant to outrageous extremists and supporters of a systemic Arab terrorism…
Cheers
“Even if the solider is guilty, he’s innocent.”
It’s not a crime if it might make the family of the perpetrator look bad.
Keeping it all in the family …
“Even if the solider is guilty, he’s innocent.”
You should have addressed that nice fairytale to Mona, as this was her quote. Mine was “what happened to innocent until proven guilty.”
Now, you should stop deceiving readers. No matter what right of return Israel may have for the Jews, it does NOT protect anyone, including Israeli citizens, from being extradited to any country that has extradition agreements with Israel. But what are facts for your type – left wing/right wing extremists and supporters of Arab terrorism? They (facts) just bounce off you like tennis balls off a concrete wall…
“No matter what right of return Israel may have for the Jews, it does NOT protect anyone, including Israeli citizens, from being extradited to any country that has extradition agreements with Israel. ”
OK…then I propose the extradition of this murderer Azaria to the US Courts for prosecution as a receiver of US Taxpayer AID and who did this act in their name. I would be first in line for jury duty….
“OK…then I propose the extradition of this murderer Azaria to the US Courts for prosecution as a receiver of US Taxpayer AID and who did this act in their name. I would be first in line for jury duty”
Well, I could imagine you standing at JFK with AK-47 when his plane arrives. But first, you need to contact your Congressman or woman and ask them to introduce such a criminal statute, then convince her colleagues to pass it and the President sign it into the law, then you should convince the US to initiate an extradition request, although, most statutes do not apply retroactively. Good luck anyway…
“this murderer Azaria” See, you already convicted him.
And I rest my case of the Impunity in which you wallow in…
But never to worry…as there is one Justice that you can’t hide from…nor your sickening fucked up fake state of Israel.
Oh…and forgot to add this tidbit…
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/adri-nieuwhof/dutch-party-votes-sanctions-israel
Cheers
“Well, I could imagine you standing at JFK with AK-47 when his plane arrives.”
Or perhaps I could get Erik Prince to make sure the plane doesn’t arrive…
much cheaper to take the trash out
Cheers
I know you did not make that statement. You attempt to defend it however.
Nice how you skipped over this:
Jews have always protected themselves at any and all cost to the rest of humanity. What drives people to create law that makes it illegal to expose child sexual abuse? I have a pretty good guess …
Who wouldn’t slap a label on those people?
“Nice how you skipped over this”
Now that I read that excerpt, I can say: BS: there is lashon hara/slander, but calling out sex offenders is not lashon hara towards the offender. You are just full of it and you know it…
Oh, but wait! I thought we were discussing how bad Israel and Israelis are. I thought you people lo-o-ved the Jews and only hated Israel and Israelis. Isn’t it why you don’t want to be called anti-Semites? Don’t you all insist you can’t be called anti-Semites, because you criticize Israel, as opposed to the Jews and you have so many Jews friends? I guess I was wrong. So sorry…
Enjoy… :)
“I thought you people lo-o-ved the Jews and only hated Israel and Israelis.”
Nah, anti-Semite, you don’t think, nor can you.
“Don’t you all insist you can’t be called anti-Semites, because you criticize Israel, as opposed to the Jews and you have so many Jews friends?”
Nah, anti-Semite, that’s just you talking to yourself again.
“I guess I was wrong.”
No need to guess, ant-Semite; if it spewed out of your broken little Zionist brain, it’s wrong.
“So sorry…”
So needy.
“Enjoy… :)”
Always…