What it's like to be on the floor of the Republican National Convention in Quicken Loans Arena.

Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.
— Milton’s Satan
I am not a servile puppy dog.
—Ted Cruz (paraphrased)
I will be your champion.
—Donald Trump
“America! What happened to it? Where did it go? How has it flown away?” Three questions thrown down from the altar of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio, by Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York City, patron saint of 9/11, to the 2,472 Republican delegates assembled on the Floor of the Quicken Loans Arena, also known as the Q. The day’s theme was MASA, Make America Safe Again, part of #MAGA, a popular hashtag among Trump’s online supporters, who call themselves the #TrumpTrain. MAGA is an acronym for the candidate’s slogan: Make America Great Again. The sound of MAGA, said aloud, brings to mind a pagan deity. Like: In the name of all that is good and decent, MAGA commands you, go forth and slay the barbarian hordes!
Before last week, I would have thought it naïve to ask what happened to America. But the holy terror of Giuliani’s speech (and please do watch it in full) has made the question worth asking.
Video of Rudy Giuliani’s address to the RNC remixed by internet satirist Vic Berger.
Near the edge of the Floor of the Q, I found myself talking to Laurence Schiff, an Arizona delegate from the Kingman area. Schiff is a psychiatrist who heads up mental health programs in seven prisons, a Tea Party man, an early convert from Cruz to Trump, and a self-styled historian with his own talk radio show. He looked like a country doctor in late middle age, his neat, formal clothes neither new nor worn, his mouth turned slightly downward. His moist, earnest eyes fixed me through his glasses.
Schiff quickly turned our conversation to the breadth of MAGA’s appeal. “Donald Trump appeals more than you’d suspect to Latins and to minorities,” he said. “My wife is Latin. She is the biggest Trumpster around. Latins are extremely family-oriented. They tend to be pro-life. With African-Americans, they tend to be very law and order.” At this point, I hushed Schiff. Giuliani had taken the stage. He began by thanking the police officers in Dallas, Baton Rogue, and Cleveland. Giuliani’s love for the police was absolute and ecumenical: “Black, white, Latino, of every race, every color, every creed, every sexual orientation …” His questions came as an improvised solo, capping a steady build with a flourish of aggravation:
“It’s time to make America safe again. It’s time to make America one again. One America!”
Giuliani verified the count with a wag of his index finger. One.
“There’s a war on the police,” Schiff said, turning to me.
“What happened to …” Giuliani began, his pistons turning over once, not starting, and firing back up. “There’s no black America,” he said, waving to his left. “There’s no white America,” he waved to his right. “There is just … Ah-mehr-ick-ahh!” Two hands stretched out and throttled the air, as though Giuliani was a sorcerer and America a chimera or genie that he was summoning up from the depths. Then came his three questions, shouted over the cheers. “America!” The voice high and thrillingly urgent: “What happened to it? Where did it go? How has it flown away?”
“This is the most electrifying speech of the night,” said Sandra Dowling, an Arizona delegate. She had cropped red hair, an assortment of pro-Trump pins, and a steady, self-assured voice. She was around Schiff’s age, with a doctorate in education, and she had once served as Maricopa County superintendent of schools.
“I like the passion, the intensity,” she said of Giuliani. “The whole way that he sucks everybody in. He’s not lecturing to people here. He’s pulling them in and making them part of it.”
By this time, Giuliani had moved on, from domestic to foreign, police to military. “To defeat Islamic extremist terrorists, we must put them on defense,” he said. “If they are at war with us, which they have declared. We must commit ourselves to unconditional victory against them!” And from there, to the Iran deal, to Hillary Clinton, to Benghazi. He paused, taking in the thunderous chants of “USA! USA! USA!”
The followers of MAGA tend toward three-syllable chants, with equal and forceful emphasis given to each syllable. The “USA!” chant is a sunny reprise from more issue-specific chants like “Lock Her Up!” and the edgy “All Lives Matter!” (Matter, as delivered, sounds more like “Mahrr!”) Of the three letters in USA, it is the A, America!, that matters most to them, not the States, certainly not the United. The “U.S.” part of the chant may be a case of linguistic atavism, an immigrant’s nostalgia for the country she has long since left. That country is, to put it plainly, the past — some of it experienced, some of it romanticized, most of it imagined.
“Now listen to this!” said Dowling. “This is the only time, all day long, that all of the delegates have come together. This is what a convention is supposed to be about.”
“Overcoming your differences, you mean?” I asked.
“Yes,” she said. “Look at this like a pie. You may not like the taste of the rest of the pie. But if you can find just one little sliver that you can latch onto, then you can latch onto the campaign. And that’s what I think he’s doing. He’s going through here and he’s just pulling in slivers. For everybody here. You can feel it.”
“To a certain degree, we’re props,” Schiff said, cutting in. “Something that’s made for television.” He seemed to be suggesting that the convention wasn’t really about the Floor. He might or might not have been suggesting that it was a televised simulacrum of a bottom-up democracy, with the delegates shipped in on coach flights and diesel buses to be fed at the Marriott and spurred into partisan ecstasies by the ship. “Whip” was the word on the door of a kind of control room in the hallway behind the Floor, where a few tall and formidable-looking men in suits marshaled an army of cheerleaders in orange baseball hats (convention ops), white hats (regional whips), yellow hats (state whips), and green hats (alternate whips). Many looked to be college age. They all had earpieces and “Making America Great, Est. 1776” stitched on the back of their color-ranked hats. Like the Borg on Star Trek, the word “whip” can refer to any single member of the operation, or the machine as a whole.
Schiff seemed to have an internal whip, a governor who guided him back to the party line. After referring to himself as a prop, he paused and shifted gears. “You need 50, 60 million votes to win the presidency,” he said. “I’ve made a study of this. That’s why I think Donald Trump is the only one who can win.”
Giuliani, amplified, skull-headed, enormous on the screen: … She is in favor of even taking Syrian refugees, even though the Islamic State has told us they are going to put their operatives in with the Syrian refugees, operatives who are terrorists …
I asked Dowling which sliver of the Trump pie was hers. She said: “I want somebody, when they walk into the room, he or she, I want everyone in the world to know that they’re in charge …”
… they come into Western Europe, they come here, and kill us!
Dowling: “I want everyone to know that when they speak, the rest of the world listens.”
… there’s no next election. This is it! There’s no more time for us left!
“And with Donald Trump, the rest of the world will listen, and they will pay attention. National security is a big issue for me. I’m looking for strength, courage, and chutzpah.”
… No more time to repeat our mistakes of the Clinton-Obama years. Donald Trump is the agent of change.
“I want somebody to go in and go toe to toe with the president of North Korea and tell him the way it is and not be told, ‘Get on your hands and knees and beg me.’”
… He will be the leader of the change we need.
“I don’t want to be begging anymore.”
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani delivers a speech on the first day of the Republican National Convention on July 18, 2016 at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio.
Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
Rudolph William Lewis Giuliani did not serve as one of the principal investigators of the 9/11 attacks. He did not kill the man who carried them out. As New York City’s mayor on 9/11, Giuliani led the response, the cleanup, and the first phase of rebuilding. He came on the scene as the leader of a wounded city-state and emerged from the ashes a minor Republican statesman. His main role was to speak about the tragedy on TV. His first September 11, 2001, press conference was given while walking down the street, heading downtown less than an hour after Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower. “People should remain calm,” he said. He gave two more press conferences that afternoon and evening. On September 23, he appeared at a prayer service at Yankee Stadium alongside Oprah Winfrey, who called him “America’s Mayor.” On September 24, he went on David Letterman. On October 1, he gave a moving and humane address to the United Nations. On that day, he did not talk about radical Islamic terrorism. Just terrorism — that one word was enough.
Having established a solid link with 9/11 in the public mind, Giuliani’s relationship with the event underwent a shift, from mourner to owner. By 2004, his finances and connections and political prospects much improved, Giuliani was talking about 9/11 as though it were his property, an exotic pet, an exhibit that could be packed up into a suitcase and displayed at his pleasure. He showed it off with a victim’s righteousness and a prosecutor’s zeal, and started doing some heavy spiritual lifting for the Republican Party. Last week in Cleveland, he extended his proprietary 9/11 halo to Trump, “a man with a big heart.” Trump, Giuliani said, had donated money to injured police and firefighters. Trump had done so anonymously, and he wasn’t going to be happy with Giuliani for revealing his kindness in public. “Every time New York suffered a tragedy,” Giuliani said, “Donald Trump was there to help.”
Giuliani had assumed the mayoralty by mastering big-city racial politics. He was the electoral embodiment of Travis Bickle’s “Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets” and Howard Beale, the-mad-as-hell news anchor. Giuliani had no problem with people of other races. His problem was with the panhandlers, the thugs, and the squeegee men. Patrick Moses Dorismond, who was shot by a plainclothes NYPD officer, was an actual altar boy. But to Giuliani (then running against Hillary Clinton for the Senate), he was no altar boy, he was a man with a propensity to violence and a sealed juvenile court record, which Giuliani proceeded to release. An arrest that happened more than 10 years before, when Dorismond was 13 years old, was, to Giuliani, highly relevant. The case of Amadou Diallo, the unarmed immigrant from Guinea who was shot 41 times by plainclothes NYPD, was, meanwhile, unfortunate. All four shooters were acquitted. Some years later, when Giuliani was no longer mayor, one of the officers was promoted.
(And yes, it is worth remembering the thousands of crime victims, disproportionately African-American, who died in New York and other big cities during the crime wave that ran from the mid-1980s through the early 1990s. Crime rates fell in those cities, most dramatically in New York, during Giuliani’s 1994-2001 mayoralty. How much credit Giuliani deserves for that life-saving reduction is the subject of much debate. Less debatable is the effect of his “get tough” approach on the incarceration rate of black men, the killings of black men by police, and his attempts, in the Dorismond case and others, to turn those dead black men into votes.)
As for the Muslims, Giuliani said, he would limit his rage to the barbaric terrorists who attacked us … people and forces who hijacked not just airplanes, but a great religion and turned it into a creed of terrorism dedicated to killing all of us. Those last words are from his previous red-meat speech, delivered on the first day of the 2004 RNC, in New York City. Giuliani didn’t want to kill all the Muslims, only the bad ones, the ones who are with the terrorists. He compared the pre-9/11 view of Islamic terrorism to Europe’s appeasement of Hitler during the run-up to World War II.
Long before Cruz dreamed aloud about carpet-bombing the Islamic State, Giuliani had taken the semi-sublimated racial animus of the Republican Party’s George Wallace wing (“Stand Up for America” was Wallace’s 1968 slogan) and attached it to a new and more fearsome target, al Qaeda. He used it to frame the country’s Bush-era adventures as a kind of war of righteous vengeance. The new war sounded at times like a holy war. Once, George W. Bush used the word “crusade.”
On Monday night, standing on the high altar of MAGA, Giuliani defined America’s enemy this way:
“For the purposes of the media, I did not say all of Islam. I did not say most of Islam. I said Islamic extremist terrorism. You know who you are and we’re coming to get you.”
For the purposes of the media. Either Giuliani wanted to make it clear that he was only talking about a subset of Islam. Or he wanted to make clear his wish to declare war on all of Islam, and his frustration at not being able to raise this flag in public. I believe that he was doing both, at once. Unlike Trump, Giuliani has a prosecutor’s mastery of rhetoric. He knows how to communicate a message and deny it at the same time.
Here is Giuliani on Larry King talking about Iraq during his brief run at the presidency in 2006:
The whole strategy has to be a strategy of not just pacifying places but holding them, and holding them for some period of time. It reminds me a little, on a much bigger scale, of what I had to do to reduce crime in New York City. We had to not just go into neighborhoods and make them safe, which the city had been doing for years, but the city had been going in there, making them safe, and then leaving. … I’d take out Saddam Hussein in a second again … here’s what I would change. Do it with more troops. Maybe 150,000.
Making them safe. We need someone to bring law and order to the neighborhoods.
Trump, who has taken advice from Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, two of Richard Nixon’s henchmen, has borrowed from Giuliani’s classic obsessions and added illegal immigration to his witch’s brew. Trump may not know or care to know that Barack Obama has spent eight years pounding on al Qaeda, not only in Iraq and Afghanistan but also through the use of drones and other covert campaigns in Syria, Somalia, and Yemen. In his two terms, George W. Bush ordered 49 drone strikes against al Qaeda and Taliban-associated targets in the tribal areas of Pakistan. Obama, during his first two years in office, ordered 174. These are facts, but to Trump and Giuliani, they may not matter. After all, what good does killing radical Islamic terrorists do if Obama refuses to call the enemy by its name?
The crowd in Cleveland was primed for Giuliani. They howled with pleasure upon hearing from Milwaukee’s sheriff, David Clark, that “blue lives matter.” The slogan sounded more credible when enunciated by an African-American. Clark has told the people of Milwaukee that obtaining their own firearms is preferable to calling 911, part of “a duty to protect yourself and your family.” On Monday, he lumped together Ferguson and Baltimore (mass street protests) with Baton Rouge (the lone-wolf murder of three police officers) as “a collapse of the social order … I call it anarchy.”
This was Giuliani’s task on Monday: Raise the emotional temperature. Melt down the differences that separate the factions. Fuse them into a mass. Political conventions customarily open with red-meat speeches, but providence saw fit to disrupt the opening nights of 2012 (Tampa, Florida) and 2008 (St. Paul, Minnesota) with hurricanes (Isaac, Gustav). The opening night of the RNC’s 2004 convention had also featured Rudy Giuliani, at Madison Square Garden, with a presidential run still in his future. “They heard from us,” he said, claiming victory in Iraq in Afghanistan.
The Giuliani of 2016 was more familiar, with less to lose. The climax of his speech came about a minute in, just before the three questions about the whereabouts of America. He was talking about the police and the firemen:
… when they come in to save you. They don’t care what color you are! When they come to save your life, they don’t ask if you’re black or white. They just come! To save you!
Save you from who? Was Giuliani talking about Ferguson, or Baton Rouge, or Dallas, or the World Trade Center, or al Qaeda, or the Islamic State, or Benghazi, or the mother whose son was killed by an undocumented immigrant, or the Islamic State operative who had come in over the porous border with Mexico? (This last scenario has never actually happened.) Giuliani was talking about all of these things, and injecting into each of them the image of two burning towers, and the wall that Trump would build around his republic of Make America Great Again to keep all of them out.
What it's like to be on the floor of the Republican National Convention in Quicken Loans Arena.
Giuliani is there as a speechmaker intended to keep the support of the party faithful. He is a straw man set up by the supporters of the Harpy’s neocon program to attack a serious opponent. Why do the US lackeys in NATO support the harpy because Trump is putting forward a less warlike position? The question is do you really want a no-fly zone put forward in Syria on behalf of el qaeda elements supported by neocon elements. The other question is whether you want an unconvicted war criminal based on her role in the Libya overthrow and the replacement of Khaddafi by jihadist thugs who engaged in a genocide of Africans Khaddafi had settled in Libya as part of his belief in African unity.
Giuliani isn’t my cup of tea either, but what is Trump supposed to do? He is changing the Republican party, realigning it along a more populist pro Main Street position. This has discombobulated the establishment Republicans something fierce and apparently, the Press as well.
Some people still haven’t awakened to the idea that Trump might be running to the left of Hillary Clinton.
That is the reality. Giulani is merely a straw man put forward by the harpy’s neocon acolytes to deflect from their own record of fascism including an overthrow of the Libyan government which is objectively a war crime, and a desire to engage in a war against Russia to defend Jihadi thugs attempting to overthrow the civilized element in Syria.
Of course you were chest-pounding. Your point in the paragraph I highlighted was to show that Obama hasn’t been “weak,” as if vicious militarism and wanton murder are strength.
As for the rest, please read a guy named Jeremy Scahill about Obama’s much-too-indiscriminate and corporate-agenda-driven dirty wars and drone strikes. And please read a guy named Glenn Greenwald about the definition of “terrorism” and its problematic, agenda-laden nature.
What Mona says.
Oh, well, that’s alright, then.
Jesus Fucking Christ on a cracker! That’s as lame as any excuse for war crimes I’ve ever heard.
Excuse me: What Maisie said.
When I start typing with an “M” in these forums and the subject is a female fellow poster, my fingers are conditioned. ;^)
Pretty good company, our female M’s.
Sir RUDY was not at his post on 9/11….that about says it all –
as a 2004 Pentagon-commissioned report specified in listing the causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel”; support for Islamic tyrannies in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia; and, most of all, “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.” The report concluded: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies.” Countless individuals who carried out or plotted attacks on the West have said the same.
Nobody should need official reports or statements from attackers to confirm what common sense makes clear: If you go around the world for years proclaiming yourself “at war,” bombing and occupying and otherwise interfering in numerous countries for your own ends — as the U.S. and U.K. have been doing for decades, long before 9/11 —
NOT IN LINE WITH SIR RUDY’S TRUTH – – good buddy Bernie Kerrick SILENT
ASK YOURSELF – will you sit back while your family is attacked?.? Ted Cruz stood up and did not endorse Dictator Donald and was BOO-ed….
Protect your wife and children….Cluster Bombs….Rockets…….Bombings….
Drones…. based on lies???? and the war criminal is protected by Washington
this hysterical response to hysteria only helps trump
droug, you may or may not be right but I am pretty sure that you have confused the role of a journalist with that of a politician.
> I am pretty sure that you have confused the role of a journalist with that of a politician
besides earning a living, your goal as a journalist is to have a real effect on the world, right? you want to move people in the direction you want them to go, right? in this article it seems clear that you want to move people away from trump, and i’m saying (for those undecided) it will probably have the opposite effect, that’s all. i think a calmer response to republican hysteria is required. i also think it would be better if the bias (“Giuliani, amplified, skull-headed”) were less overt. no problem with having a bias and making it clear, but if it’s too conspicuously strong i think it distracts from the substance of the argument
No, a journalist’s job is to report the truth, not pander to elites. Fox News is the sort of place for you…or CNN.
“Contrary to popular wisdom, there aren’t two types of journalists: those who express opinions and those who are objective. The two types are those who honestly acknowledge their opinions and those who deceitfully pretend such opinions do not influence their journalism.” – Glenn Greenwald
G’s head looked like a skull to me, what can I say?
ha, that was me taking things too seriously again
droug,
Using news stories to “move people in the direction you want them to go” makes it propaganda, not journalism. This is something the left will not acknowledge.
This hysteria surrounding terrorism has become a staple of US national discourse and Trump did not create it.
What Trump said about terror and the US is only the CIA propaganda which Obama, Hillary, George Bush and their administrations have been mouthing since 9/11.
In fact, so well-entrenched is this propaganda in the US establishment that no presidential candidate can afford to ignore this propaganda. One of the main criteria to judge Hillary or Trump will be how strong they are on national security and terror.
CNN does more fear-mongering on terrorism and its threat to the Western way of life in its daily coverage than Trump did. If anything Trump recognizes the dangers posed to the US by fighting unnecessary wars.
What was on full display was FASCISM. Every hallmark of fascist rhetoric was used at one point or another. Your enemies are within and without your life is threatened worse your “way” of life is threatened – only I am strong enough to save you.
There should be no shrinking from calling a spade a spade.
The US ziteguist, political consciousnesses has the fascist virus now and it will continue to cripple its host for a long time to come. Trump or no Trump.
Long before trump the police were militarized and federalized with chains of command all the way to the Pentagon. A police state now exists but shrewdly no announcement was made.
Include that with all the spying on everyone and the rest and it could not be more clear that the US is a fascist country.
Not so funny, Reagan used the exact same “calling a spade a spade” phrase when referring to Democrats as creeping socialism. Got him elected.
MAGA…Malignant America Go Away.
Rudy? On September 10th, 2001, he was a disgraced bum. 9/11 is the most profitable thing that has happened to Rudy Giuliani.
obama extends war crimes in iraq and afghanistan. he terrorizes and murders civilians in multiple countries. violating those nations’ sovereignty is of no consequence to obi-wan-adroni.
‘i’m getting really good at killing,’ obama quips.
the author holds the actions of a cowardly president as admirable.
what a pompous, callous, backward nation america has become.
What “become”? The rot that has always been America has popped to the surface.
By the way, Obama wasn’t mentioned, but you magically put his name in the column as you read it.
Actually, Obama was mentioned in the paragraph I’ve quoted below. And in my opinion the paragraph and the author are vague about what it is he is saying about Obama. He mentions Obama’s covert and otherwise bombings, which correctly undermines the GOP’s screaming about Obama’s “weakness,” but he doesn’t mention or allude to the fact that Obama’s bombing campaign has been not only a failure, in that it has resulted in the death and injuries of so many civilians, destroyed so many lives in the areas he has chosen to bomb and has been the cause of a constant cycle of “blow-back” or self defense.
You’re right…and I completely missed that paragraph for some reason. Obama is more lethal with foreign wars than the Repubs, but apparently their buddies in the military don’t tell the Repubs…or they think that Obama’s “too soft”. He’s been the best conservative president since Bill Clinton. Limousine liberals.
Why are the headlines, including here, screaming that the DNC “mocked” Sanders? It goes way deeper than that and leaves the impression that his campaign was in fact “a mess”, instead of the real story, DNC plotters planning to portray it that way in the press, which is greatly more serious.
And I just answered my own question. The game now is to play down what is at minimum a serious breach of a long morubund democracy, a breach of trust by a formerly great party now the vehicle of hack plutocrats who have no ethical or legal problem rigging an election..
Move along folks. Nothing to see here. You got Trump and Clinton. Freedom.
sorry, this comment got on the wrong article. Seems easy to do here, and don’t see a delete.
Let’s be clear about Rudy this act he uses now is the only way he can make money and remain relevant in politics.In the beginning I don’t recall any of this hardline wing nut bullshit coming out of his mouth only later when the 9/11 pain began to fade and tea bags began their ascension back into Washington power politics did he swing farther right clearly out of financial necessity and his egos need for the spotlight…….A political whore…nuff said.
Tldr.
One of the most empty, silly and just plain stupid things a person can do is post a comment to an article saying only : tldr.
Why do such individuals believe anyone needs to know they don’t read long-form pieces? It doesn’t even speak well of their intelligence.
Ha, ha! Nobody ever reads the articles. I believe Ice K was referring to the headline, which is indeed a bit long and unwieldy.
By the way, attention span is not necessarily correlated with intelligence. I’ve seen data, but can’t provide a link, as I’ve just lost interest in the subject.
It heavily is.
A political person who doesn’t read “long” articles is a moron.
With all due respect, that is a very old school attitude. With modern electronic media, no one has an attention span longer than a few seconds.
What were we discussing again?
What were we discussing again?
Wing spans of gnats…or something.
The far right wing of our all inclusive business party seems to be going bonkers, like totally, and I just can’t wait to hear the rest of the insanity coming from the far left Clinton campaign.; from the far left of the business party! What a crock coming from both ends to meet in the middle on election day. How business always ‘TRUMPS’ democracy! This election is a set up and a scam to the max! Vote for Stein!
The far left Clinton campaign?
I’ve read Jill Stein’s platform, and agree with 99% of it. What turns me off is the same thing that turns me off about a beautiful state like Virginia…the denizens.
Here’s an idea. Lots of people are afraid of DT – mainly because they dont know where he fits of the hierarchy of hoes sold out hoes to wallstreet. Lots of people are afraid of heillery precisely because they do know where she fits in the hierarchy of sold out hoes to wallstreet. So you gotchyer unsold out vs yer completely sold out.
Here’s the idea – a candidate that won’t scare anyone in 2020. The “guy” who promises not to do a dang thing in office but to report to the American people who is doing what. Our spy guy.
Bravo, Mr. Schwartz!
Thanks, Mattathias.
A well written piece that captured the tone, tenor and hypocrisy of the latest scaremonger for Trump’s Great American Psychos World Tour.
So, so, so elated not to see any Bush’s, McCain or so many GOP toadies for the international elite establishment. It is too much to hope that Team Trump can actually hijack the GOP and bring our party back to the actual citizenry
A Tea Party Psychiatrist who runs “mental health programs” in multiple prisons. I’m sure he relates well with his “patients.”
Frankly, though, I can’t even get past the fact that we live in an age when a major American political party can hold its nominating convention in a place called “Quicken Loans Arena” and the very idea doesn’t seem outrageous to most of our citizens.
And, next, the Democrats get together at Wells Fargo Center, in Philadelphia. Another national yawn.
You don’t really need to know much more than the above to know that this system can’t be tweaked; we need to scrape it off and start over.
Doug, you may be missing the connection here as the Wells Fargo type stadiums of today serve the purpose of distracting the masses via sports and sports coverage as did the gladiator stadiums of Rome. And the profits from Quicken Loan funds made available to those betting on the sports games are a bankster’s side benefit.
All true and the Romans named the Colosseum for the emperors of the time: Amphitheatrum Flavium, for the family name of those emperors.
This, of course, took place only two or or three decades after the death of the Republic and the beginning of the Empire.
So, very appropriate that we have grand (but flimsily-constructed) edifices named Quicken Loans, Wells Fargo, MassMutual, etc. but not appropriate that nobody much notices or cares the extent to which this suggests transition from republic (if ever we were) to empire/oligarchy (if we weren’t always).
I’m thinking of the Republicans as the Party of Dumb led by the Party of McCarthy. It took more smarts to hold up a couple of sheets of paper than it does to believe they’re full of names of Communist spies, and that never changed. What has changed is that with Trump, the Dumbs seem to have arrived at the White House … but that hasn’t changed either, remember Ronald Reagan? In the end the Poindexters at the spy agencies (as represented by Thiel), the Bushes who know how to deal arms for no hostages, and of course the McCarthies on the House Glorification of Benghazi Terrorists Committee remain in charge, and Trump will still end up appointing their people and taking their orders and acting as a carnival barker.
Now the Democrats are completely different; there the Smarts do the following, though the spies and connivers still do the leading. To follow the Democrats you can show off all your Smart ideas, though occasionally admitting that in the end it all amounts to throwing away the budget invading some shithole like the Republicans, or getting ripped off in legendary trade capitulations like the Republicans. But the Democrats’ spies are Warm Fuzzy spies, while the Republicans’ are Cold Prickly spies, and so there’s a whole difference in emphasis. And occasionally that means that you get something like Obamacare, some crumb, some bone thrown to you; and it certainly means the markets do better, which is marginally better than a big recession, at least. So what do you do? Do you stand up for your crumbs, or spurn all hope of improved conditions and go out and cheer for the Dumb and hope against hope he’ll be just as Dumb in office? “Here’s your big red button, Mr. Trump. Please wait to press it until nobody is around, it improves the surprise…”
Nobody at The Intercept supports drone strikes or the Obama administration’s foreign policy in the Middle East.
1). You uncritically express the establishment line that “Obama is killing radical terrorists,” when the most accurate description is “Obama is killing people suspected of something, and also killing those near them.”
2). 90% of drone strike victims are not the intended target.
3). Obama’s militarism is founded on Full Spectrum Dominance for corporate America and allied interests, not “fighting terrorism.”
4). Chest-pounding to boast Obama is a violent bastard like the Republicans is – while true – obscene.
There are two aspects of droning that must be mentioned always:
1) All drones and other air force operations in Pakistan are carried out at the request of the government there. Only the bin Laden op was done surreptitiously despite their possible objection and because of possible sabotage.
2) Some of the targets pointed out to us are innocent political opponents of the government or the military or their ISI Spies. We learn of this only from the local newspapers later.
These two points must be borne in mind during all discussions of droning, not as an excuse but as proof of our magnanimity towards poor friends who deceive us and then pass the blame to us that fetch us a bad name.
Come on just look up Pakistan has complained many times about drone strikes being a violation of their territory; it’s just extrajudicial assassination for so Obama can say he’s doing something; every drone strike recruits more terrorists than they kill (plus all the innocent bystanders); and it has no effect on Taliban control of most of Afghanistan.
Think about it; would drone strikes targeting Vietcong leaders have changed the outcome in Vietnam? The whole idea is not just a violation of international law and due process, but it’s also stupid and counterproductive.
Pakis are actually very cunning fellows. Don’t forget, they are nuclear-armed and have a decently equipped air force that can take care of drones. But they kill four birds with one stone by making us drone their folks:
1) Get rid of undesirable political opponents.
2) Demand hush money from us to keep quiet.
3) Create ISIS folks who then hate us for droning.
4) Spy on our drones and then pass the information to to China who are their real friends.
Zawahiri has just vanished, and they got us to believe that’s true. Trump isn’t believing for sure.
“Pakis are actually very cunning fellows. …”
This is such an entertaining comment.
So lets theoretically agree that Pakistanis are cunning.
But what does your comment say about the Americans. If the Americans are not fools, which I am sure is what you believe, they why are they assassinating political opponents of the Pakistani Govt?
Why are they bribing Pakistanis to cover up and collude in US caused deaths?
Why is the US helping a regime that is creating ISIS folks, as you say?
It is time, this dangerous CIA created ISIS farce was exposed.
“This is such an entertaining comment.”
No, it is not. A lot of decent and innocent Pakis are paying with their lives for the crimes of the leaders. Please don’t entertain yourself with Paki blood.
Ha Ha – I was entertained by your comment about the cunning Pakistanis making the ‘innocent’ Americans drone innocent people and not by the Pakistani blood which US drones are shedding.
You appear to be a master manipulator.
Is this all you have to say about my response to your entertaining but dangerous disinformation?
We are not all that ignorant about what the Pakis do and don’t do. They did help us during the Cold War so we have to return the favor sometimes.
And Please Please tell me how does the failing Pakistani State which survives only on US aid, “make” the ‘great and exceptional’ USA do anything?
How does Pakistan “make” the US commit war crimes by droning opposition political leaders in Pakistan who are not terrorists? How does Pakistan manage to “make” Obama do this?
And as the USA government agrees to commit these war crimes and assassinations, what does it make the US leaders? So can we say that Pakistan has “made” Obama and Clinton war criminals?
What does the USA get in return for carrying out these hit jobs on behalf of the cunning Pakistanis?
So the CIA and the Pentagon are assassins for hire by a foreign government?
We have such horrible leadership right now that anything is possible. Just look at the nuisance the radical Islamic jihadists have created.
But it’s all going to change very soon. And we will build the very high and strong wall.
And the CIA created the radical Islamic jihadists.
You have very little knowledge about the world intelligence community and how it functions. The are not a bunch of philanthropists. That goes for all spies, regardless of country, only difference being that they work to widely disparate budgets.
Who knows who created whom? The same groups take money from spies whose countries are in apparent conflict. This is a very messy world. You may be right and you may be wrong at the same time – like that condition of the Schroedinger Cat.
Since you know absolutely nothing about me, your patronizing attempt to show me my place by saying ” You have very little knowledge about the world intelligence community and how it functions.” is hilarious.
You would like to portray me as naive because I exposed your CIA propaganda BS.
What did I say to suggest to you that I might naively suppose that the intelligence community is comprised of a bunch of philanthropists.
The world is certainly very messy thanks in large part to CIA spies. And who created ISIS becomes clear with a very little research. Its a CIA neocon creation like Al Qaeda, a new enemy that the US needs to prevent its decline in this century and is a part of its attempt to hang on to its sole superpower status. Time will tell if that succeeds.
Only the DNC is Hillarious right now, but it won’t be so for very long.
If you knew everything about spies then you won’t care to call them spies, would you? The Chinese spies are easy to identify due to their slanted eyes and high cheekbones. The Iranians also are easy to catch since they start running away when we stare and wink at them. Otherwise, if you say you are an expert about spies then you have possibly picked up some of the bad habits of Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton that Donald Trump often mentions.
You are hilarious
You write about Pakistan – “they are nuclear-armed and have a decently equipped air force that can take care of drones.”
Do you seriously think a country like Pakistan has the ‘option’ of threatening the US with nuclear weapons? And how exactly does Pakistan use its nuclear weapons to bring down US drones inside Pakistan air-space?
Also the only aircraft which Pakistan can possibly use to bring down US drones are its F16s, which it buys from the US using US aid. Do you really think that Pakistan can shoot down a US drone with an F16? What will become of poor Pakistan and its military if it did that?
The reality is that Pakistan is a puppet and client State of the US. The US has been using the Pakistani establishment for its dirty war games and its dirty CIA ops for decades. The US exercises more control over the Pakistani military and the ISI than Pakistan’s allegedly elected (civil) government. Even the Pakistani civil government cannot ultimately ignore US directions. Blackmail, bribes, and threats keep them all on line.
The day Pakistan stops doing what the US wants, the US will invade it and try its leaders for war crimes and terrorism. Or assassinate a few people.
The Muslim majority Pakistani population is very angry about the US influence on its Government. Civil unrest would break out if the people were free to protest.
There is no rule of law in Pakistan. Radical Islamism and terrorism are used to subdue the population.
The Pakistani economy and its civil, political, and legal institutions have all been destroyed because for several decades now, the weak Pakistani State has been used not for the development of the country but to act as a client and puppet of the US, and as a pawn in furthering US agendas first in the cold war and now in the war on terror.
Pakistan as a client state of the US – http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/09/the-decline-of-american-client-states/245592/#slide2
Don’t read all the stupid papers that feature ignorant people. You might as well quote from some of the ill-informed and ill-tempered folks right here that belong to the Self-Appointed Optics Department, the CEO and her Apprentice Sancho Panza.
And if there was any doubt left at all that US drone strikes are unilateral US decisions without consulting the Governments of the territories where these attacks are carried out, the CIA Chief has stated about 10 days ago that:
“Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director John Brennan on Thursday said that the next US president will continue to support air strikes against militants without consulting any world leaders, including Pakistani leaders.”
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/07/15/national/us-will-not-consult-pakistan-on-bombing-insurgents-cia-boss/
Must read on drones – The Trojan drone: How extrajudicial executions became “war” policy in Washington
http://www.salon.com/2016/07/23/the_trojan_drone_how_extrajudicial_executions_became_war_policy_in_washington_partner/
This statement here by CIA head John Brennan also provides evidence of the US deep State. How can the CIA head decide and declare what the next, yet to be elected President of the US will do or not do on drone attacks?
I checked the transcript of what Brennan said at the Brookings event and it appears that Pakistan Today misreported on this issue.
see http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/events/2016/07/13-cia/20160713_cia_brennan_transcript.pdf
” Pakistan Today misreported on this issue”
Obviously, that’s what they always do. Years ago I gave up putting together a list of truthful Paki statements – they just don’t exist.
Well, I read only the transcript, which differed from the Pakistan Today report. There is also a video. I have not verified if John Brennan said something to this effect in remarks at the event not included in the transcript.
Point no. 1 is false, as a plain google search will show.
Point no. 2 just shows how incompetent and misguided the US drone attack program is.
We all know the Pakis are taking our money and using it to buy Chinese stuff. That’s going to change soon. No more. We are going to bring here in Feb 2017 first week all the Paki Generals and Corp Commanders, and water-board them and find out where Zawahiri is and then we are going to bring him here and find out what’s really going on. Once we get to the bottom we will nuke whoever is planning to hurt us. We will also send back all the Indian desi folks here who are stealing our jobs, so that they can go and work in Pakistan and thus they they will improve their relations. Right now they are always fighting each other, and their President Modi keeps coming here asking for favors. That has got to stop.
ha ha – now did I take your cunning Pakistani comment too seriously? Were you being sarcastic?
But the propaganda about the “cunning” Pakistanis taking the “exceptional” Americans for a ride is actually seriously propagated by the US South Asia ‘expert’ Christine Fair who is known to occasionally consult for the CIA.
I am so indifferent to CIA propaganda that I actually had to look up who Zawahiri is. Does he even know who is fighting who these days? Does anyone?
According to Wikipedia: “In September 2015, Zawahiri urged Islamic State (ISIL) to stop fighting al-Nusra Front, the official al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria,[106] and to unite with all other jihadists against the supposed alliance between America, Russia, Europe, Shiites and Iran, and Bashar al-Assad’s Alawite regime”.
Hilarious on Modi, he loves Barrack. BTW, its Prime Minister Modi.
Modi is gay? Obama is straight as far as I know. What about Ghandi?
It is usually spelled as Gandhi in India. And I am no defender of him.
Well, since Manmohan Singh lied to George Bush that Indians love him, Modi thinks he needs to get even closer to the POTUS. Its become almost obligatory for an Indian Prime Minister to love the POTUS.
And you are hilarious.
On second thought – now exactly which Gandhi are you referring to?
Zawahiri has the most valuable head in the world.
Good luck getting past the Pakis and catching hold of it.
Again, your responses come out of nowhere but are hilarious.
I see what you mean and I share your qualms. Tho I’m not sure that I’m seeing the chest-pounding in there. Your first point is mostly correct–altho I’d add that Obama is killing some number of radical terrorists in addition to the suspects and those in proximity. The first sentence of the graf would be better if it qualified “pounding on al Qaeda” somehow. Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
Giuliani is one of the bad guys. He has helped cover up the 9/11 deception.
Bldg 7 contained his emergency HQ. We all know it was “pulled”!
Nah. Only the really special people, the in crowd, the guys who can read the invasion-instruction bar codes on the back of the New World Order highway signs, know it was “pulled.”
The rest of the world knows that is brain-dead nonsense and we’re embarrassed that so many fellow humans actually seem to believe it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I
Nah. Only the REALLY special people, like Doug Salzmann, the guy who can read the invasion-instruction bar codes on the back of the New World Order highway signs, know it wasn’t “pulled.”
The rest of the world knows Doug is brain-dead and we’re embarrassed that Doug posts his bullshit here.
Brain dead nonsense is when fellow humans actually swallow the bait called the 9-11 Commission Report.
Pity if you can’t see beyond the facade of 9-11 government’s story.
BTW, with all of the cameras surrounding the Pentagon, why not one picture showing ANY instance of a plane that day? Do you know why, Mr. Salzmann? Because the Pentagon was struck by a missile…leaving a 16 foot exit hole “three-rings” into said building. It’s time to wake up, sir.
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html
I disagree about the missile. The Pentagon was likely struck by American Airlines 77 which was likely hijacked and guided by radio. The Pentagon hole was likely punched by the landing gear and the tires. You cans see them in the pictures. The data recorder was recovered and verified.
WTC Building 7 is obviously controlled demolition. The two towers were also most likely dcontrolled demolition, but not as obvious as Bld 7.
The Pentagon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9-O6iqJnOA
Credulous, brain-dead imbeciles, all of you.
You couldn’t pass Logic 101 or high school physics if you had two personal tutors each.
It took one of Europe’s top demolition experts about two seconds to figure out WTC building 7 was demolished.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFBJ1j96to
Alas, Guliani is still around. I remember how the media announced him as the winner of a presidential debate, solely for going against Ron Paul’s factual statement that we are hated for our overseas meddling. (Never mind that various intelligence figures backed Paul- including Michael Scheuer, who endorsed Paul the next day, or that the voters themselves backed Paul in the polls and primaries.
You should pay more attention to how you construct your paragraphs. It will improve the way you present your opinion. Otherwise, well-written piece even though the facts are exaggerated somewhat in my view.
Thanks, this is good advice. Is there a particular mistake that you see me making in the way that I construct paragraphs? Seriously, I want to know. I do feel like I focus too much on good sentences and not enough on good paragraphs. Schlosser is v. good at paragraphs. So yeah, I’d be grateful if you explained further.
Simple rules:
Every para must have only one topic sentence. Other sentences in the para support that topic sentence. Usually the topic sentence is the first, but you can move it to the last or in the middle for effects.
Move to a new para when you start a new train of thought or topic.
Keep sentences to 12-15 words maximum. Makes it easier to comprehend.
Keep 4-5 sentences per para maximum.
Don’t get bogged down by the above rules. After all, it’s your individuality that’s important in stamping it as your work of art.
Good luck!
This is a test….
“Man has an intense need for certainty; he wants to believe that there is no need to doubt that the method by which he makes his decisions is right. In fact, he would rather make the “wrong” decision and be sure about it than the “right” decision and be tormented with doubt about its validity. This is one of the psychological reasons for man’s belief in idols and political leaders. They all take out doubt and risk from his decision making; this does not mean that there is not a risk for his life, freedom, etc., after the decision has been made, but that there is no risk that the method of his decision making was wrong. For many centuries certainty
Fromm, Erich. The Revolution of Hope: Toward a Humanized Technology
“Man has an intense need for certainty; he wants to believe that there is no need to doubt that the method by which he makes his decisions is right. In fact, he would rather make the “wrong” decision and be sure about it than the “right” decision and be tormented with doubt about its validity. This is one of the psychological reasons for man’s belief in idols and political leaders. They all take out doubt and risk from his decision making; this does not mean that there is not a risk for his life, freedom, etc., after the decision has been made, but that there is no risk that the method of his decision making was wrong”
Fromm, Erich. The Revolution of Hope: Toward a Humanized Technology
Giuliani’s comments on Syrian refugees are seriously un-American and heavily fascist in nature.
Just take a look at a previous case, Vietnamese war refugees, who came in two waves:
http://crfimmigrationed.org/index.php/lessons-for-teachers/147-hl8
1) “Right after the fall of South Vietnam, a first wave of refugees began arriving in the United States. These people were usually well-educated and even wealthy Vietnamese. They had opposed the communists. About 125,000 of these Vietnamese resettled in this country.”
2) Then you had the boat people, “From 1975 to 1979, these organizations [private organizations such as the International Rescue Committee, U.S. Catholic Conference, etc.] placed over 220,000 refugees from Southeast Asia. The federal government spent over $1 billion to resettle these refugees in the United States.”
Did anyone oppose this, or claim the Vietnamese were communist infiltrators who would sabotage the United States and prepare the way for a Soviet invasion? Not that I can find.
The Syrian refugees are going to be anti-Assad, anti-Islamic State and since the United States did so much to start that civil war as part of our idiotic ‘regime change’ strategy, we have the same responsiblity to them as we did to the Vietnamese refugees.
Mr. Schwartz,
Welcome to The Intercept. Genuinely. But here’s a bit of constructive criticism–I couldn’t make heads or tails of what this article was supposed to be about. Seriously, was the focus on the worldview of a couple of weirdo Republican delegates, Guiliani’s speech, or their apparent shared idea that “America needs to be made safe.”
I mean a link to Guiliani’s speech with a little analysis, or thesis, or even point would have been a little more productive than this discursive little word salad.
In any event good luck at The Intercept. If you want some pointers on crafting good punchy prose or narrative talk to Glenn or Ms. Segura. But frankly this was borderline crap.
Hmm, I liked it, and it flowed for me. He sets forth the mesmerizing Rudy performance, the reactions of some Trumpers, and then analyzes Rudy’s actual record. He does all that as “Part I” of Make America Great Again.™
I don’t know, I appreciate the focus on Giuliani who is an utter slimeball in the same mold as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the Clintons.
However, a more careful analysis of Giuliani’s background in the second section (‘Altar Boys’) would have had a more devastating impact. Giuliani is the perfect example of a corrupt prosecutor; his claim to fame was prosecuting a Italian mafia drug ring – and then he went to work for the Purdue Pharma oxycontin drug ring. He’s also a close long-time associate of FBI Director Louis Freeh, who notably went to work for the Wall Street credit giant MBNA (#2 Bush donor after Enron) after his FBI term ended. MBNA was later bought by Bank of America, who wrote off $60 billion in shady MBNA credit loans from 2008-2010, probably got a taxpayer bailout for that too. Who are the crooks, again?
See David Vise’s “The Bureau and the Mole” about FBI agent / Soviet mole (and Opus Dei member) Robert Hannsen, about the Giuliani-Freeh connection.
http://blogcritics.org/spy-vs-spy-the-bureau-and/
Really, all of Giuliani’s talk about “law and order” is utter BS; the guy is a crook as his lobbying the DEA to get Purdue Pharma off criminal charges for illegal oxycontin distribution shows. This was all done through a shady firm he set up after leaving office called “Giuliani Partners” c.2002
Crooked Rudy Giuliani, Lyin’ Rudy Giuliani – basically a con artist in the same mold as the Clintons, cashing in with the corporate crooks every chance they can get. (Giuliani pulled in $11 million in speaking fees in 2006 alone, outdoing Clinton I think).
@ Mona and photosymbiosis
Well different strokes for different folks. Just struck me as rambling, unclear and not altogether well written or argued by any metric. Sure as heck wasn’t on par with what Glenn produces or Ms. Segura or a lot of the other writers around here for that matter. Just my $0.02.
As photosymbiosis did, briefly, I would be interested in reading and in depth sort of expose piece on Guiliani’s hypocrisy, financial connections and record as US Attorney. But presumably if I was actually interested in what Guiliani had to say about anything it has probably already been written. Nevertheless as far as I’m concerned he’s a nobody–politically or otherwise.
He’s parlayed a tragedy into a bullshit speaking career, and advisor to various orgs and his lisp makes me crazy even trying to listen to him so I won’t watch him speak. His speech mannerisms are annoying as hell. Not sure how he ever became a successful litigator.
The author attended the Republican convention; some brain damage is to be expected. He should be congratulated on undertaking such a dangerous assignment. While most journalists merely report what is happening on Twitter, he covered the real world. This type of reporting is dying out, for obvious reasons, but we should appreciate it while it still exists.
Not a Trump fan but the eall is also figurative. Any living organism, no matter how simple to complexm must have an outer wall membrane to ensure homeostasis, its life. The problem is the B$CEOs USA breach other countries’ sovereign walls, but cannot tolerate the relux damaging its walls. When PresObama says ‘we will defend our national interests” yes, but out of our borders are no longer ‘national’. American exceptionalism wants everthing, all ways. Not!
Big talk! Posh talk!
great piece. real gonzo vibe to it.
BE AFRAID!!!!!
How are Republicans going to make America great again when the problem is Democrats becoming Republicans is what destroyed the American middle class, and placed our poor in what now has become a state of abject poverty?