On January 25, Donald Trump signed two executive orders calling for a series of dramatic new measures aimed at hardening the country’s domestic immigration enforcement apparatus. Despite their grave implications for millions of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., the measures were largely overshadowed by a particularly high-profile component of the directives — the construction of a border wall between the U.S. and Mexico — and receded further into the background two days later, when Trump signed another order banning travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States.
As the world’s attention was occupied with the chaotic implementation of the travel ban and its dramatic domestic and international impacts, the Trump administration and the Department of Homeland Security have quietly moved forward with elements of the earlier executive orders, according to internal communications obtained by The Intercept.
Trump’s orders on border security and public safety in the interior of the U.S. resurrect some of the most controversial immigration enforcement programs of recent years, seek to deputize state and local law enforcement as immigration officials across the country, and threaten major cuts to federal funding for cities that fail to fall in line with the administration’s vision.
In order to address the massive strain those efforts would place on the nation’s already overburdened immigration system, Trump has called for the construction of new immigrant detention facilities along the U.S. border with Mexico — including through private contracts — as quickly as possible. Trump has also directed DHS to “allocate all legally available resources to immediately assign asylum officers to immigration detention facilities” for the purpose of conducting so-called credible fear hearings for asylum seekers. According to internal DHS communications obtained by The Intercept, this latter step is already underway.
In an email sent to personnel on Monday, Kathy Valerin, chief of staff at the Arlington Asylum Office for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, put out a call for asylum officer volunteers to conduct screening interviews at two for-profit immigrant detention facilities in Arizona as part of an ongoing effort to support the president’s orders beginning this week.
“In response to the recent Executive Orders, asylum offices have been instructed to immediately begin sending employees to conduct in-person CF and RF interviews [at] several detention facilities,” Valerin wrote, referring to “credible fear” and “reasonable fear” interviews, which are legally required in asylum cases, depending on the status of the individual. Specifically, Valerin added, USCIS was looking for volunteers to take up posts at private immigrant detention centers in Eloy and Florence, Arizona, “for two-week minimum increments through mid-March.”
USCIS confirmed to The Intercept that the call for volunteers was a response to Trump’s border security order.
“Prior to the EO, USCIS deployed staff on a continuous basis to a number of detention facilities across the country to conduct its credible and reasonable fear work,” Joanne F. Talbot, a USCIS spokesperson, wrote in an email. “We are currently assessing and planning for additional deployments to further advance the directive contained in the Executive Order. USCIS officers will continue to make all credible and reasonable fear screening determinations in a manner that is consistent and in full compliance with the applicable statute and regulations.”
A senior U.S. immigration official, speaking to The Intercept on condition of anonymity, said the volunteer posting would likely involve five or so trained asylum officers, conducting five interviews each per day, at the Arizona detention centers — a total of roughly 125 interviews each week. When asked what the purpose of the call-out for volunteers might signify, the official responded, “I can’t think of any other reason than preps for processing a lot of expedited removal cases.”
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Immigration attorneys who spoke to The Intercept largely agreed with that assessment, though they were careful to stress that the call for volunteers alone does not necessarily point to a particular outcome.
Expedited removal is the process for deporting people who have come to the country without the proper paperwork. If individuals in expedited removal ask for asylum or say they fear being returned to their country of origin, they have the right, under U.S. law, to describe their situation before a U.S. asylum officer. If the officer finds that an individual’s claim passes a low threshold of credibility, then the case may be heard before an immigration judge. If not, Immigration and Customs Enforcement takes control of the case and deportation proceedings can move forward.
In its domestic immigration enforcement order, the Trump administration said the executive branch will “end the abuse of parole and asylum provisions currently used to prevent the lawful removal of removable aliens,” raising concerns among some immigration attorneys that asylum seekers could be prioritized for deportation. If that’s the case, credible and reasonable fear hearings would need to be held, and detention centers along the border could be one place to start, though it would still be up to individual asylum officers to determine whether detainees pass or fail their screenings.
The administration’s focus on the early stages of the expedited removal process has some attorneys worried that individuals who have already passed their screenings could end up languishing in the system, while deportations of those who have not are prioritized. “I think it’s just going to be long waits for people from this point on,” Greg Siskind, a Tennessee-based immigration attorney, told The intercept.
The Arizona detention facilities where USCIS is currently directing volunteers — Florence and Eloy — are well-known among local immigration attorneys and activists. Both are owned by one of the nation’s largest for-profit prison corporations, CoreCivic, formally known as Corrections Corporation of America. According to the Florence Immigrant and Refugee Rights Project, a nonprofit organization that provides legal services to immigrants in Arizona’s detention system, more than 3,000 “immigrant, refugee, and asylum-seeking women and men [are] detained daily in Florence or Eloy.”
Eloy has been called the “deadliest immigration detention center in the nation” ever since an investigation by the Arizona Republic newspaper found 15 detainees had died at the facility since 2003, including three since October.
Beyond the potential implications of an increased number of asylum officers at Eloy and Florence, which at this point remains to be seen, Lauren Dasse, executive director of the Florence Project, said her organization harbored profound fears that Trump’s domestic immigration directives could make longstanding problems in the state even worse.
“The Florence Project is the only organization providing free legal services to detained immigrant children, women, and men in Arizona,” Dasse wrote in an email. “Based on the executive orders, we are deeply concerned about possible increases to detention, prolonged detention of immigrants including asylum seekers, and threats to individuals’ due process rights. We advocate that every person is treated with dignity and respect and understands their options under immigration law.”
In another dramatic sign that officials in Arizona are beginning to move forward with Trump’s domestic enforcement orders, immigration agents in Phoenix arrested Guadalupe García de Rayos on Wednesday. For eight years, the 35-year-old, who has lived in the U.S. since she was a teenager, had regularly checked in with a local ICE office after being arrested in 2008 for using a fake social security card number in order to work. Under the Obama administration, that kind of offense was not prioritized for deportation — that’s no longer the case under President Trump.
“That is precisely what the alarming problem is with Trump’s internal enforcement order,” Cecillia Wang, deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, told the New York Times.
Photo: Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images
In interviews with The Intercept, immigration lawyers and advocates echoed those concerns, noting that while Trump’s domestic enforcement orders face congressional hurdles that his travel ban did not, the president’s plans lay the foundations for an aggressive mass deportation apparatus — one that could take the historically high levels of immigrant detention and deportation under Obama to new heights by drastically expanding the range of targeted individuals. Current and former law enforcement and immigration officials, meanwhile, added that the administration’s plans could easily intensify fear in immigrant communities, elevate the risk of racial profiling, and strain the relationship between state and local authorities and the federal government.
Parts of Trump’s domestic immigration enforcement plan, particularly those related to so-called sanctuary cities, have already faced pushback, with mayors of several major cities saying they will fight efforts to withhold federal funding. Last week, San Francisco became the first city to file a lawsuit challenging the order — others are expected to follow. And while Trump has enjoyed support from unions representing the nation’s immigration enforcement agencies, other corners of the law enforcement community are less than enthused about his vision.
Since 2013, the Major Cities Chiefs Association, an organization made up of dozens of senior law enforcement executives from the nation’s largest cities, has publicly rejected efforts to enlist state and local law enforcement as ad hoc immigration officers and has opposed measures that would punish cities financially if they fail to cooperate with such initiatives.
Darrel Stephens, executive director of the association, said his organization’s concerns with Trump’s directives were multifaceted. First, Stephens said, the administration fails to define what it considers a sanctuary city to be — beyond a city that fails to abide the White House directives. Second, and more broadly, he said, recruiting state and local law enforcement to act as immigration officials instills fear in immigrant communities, which makes solving crimes more difficult and puts more people — regardless of their immigration status — at risk.
“The funding is a big concern of ours,” Stephens told The Intercept. “Lack of clarity on what the definition is is a big concern of ours. Local police being involved in immigration enforcement creates some enormous challenges from a resource perspective. It’s complicated law. It is very difficult to understand and interpret. And as a practical matter, arresting illegal immigrants, the federal government has no capacity to process them. The detention centers are full. The courts have a two-year backlog.”
Art Acevedo, chief of police for the city of Houston, shared Stephens’s concerns, telling The Intercept that implicit in Trump’s messaging were two false notions. The first is that undocumented immigrants are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime — experts have repeatedly demonstrated that they are not, and Acevedo said his decades of law enforcement experience supported those conclusions. And second is the suggestion that local and state law enforcement aren’t already focused on arresting individuals who violate criminal laws.
“We are charged with keeping people safe from predators and from thieves and from violent members of society,” Acevedo explained. “We’re not charged with going out and wasting and spending our very limited resources booking a day laborer or somebody that, but for their immigration status, have done nothing that would harm our society.”
Rather than engaging in “political theater” designed to please its base, Acevedo suggested the administration instead listen to the concerns of local and state law enforcement executives on the ground, who have long rejected seeing their officers used as de facto deportation forces.
“Sadly, if these type of ill-advised, poorly thought out public polices were to go through — where they try to take away my ability to control the workforce, to control the priorities of my workforce — there are going to be unintended consequences and those unintended consequences are going to result in additional crime,” Acevedo said.
“You cannot be the party of law and order and not listen to your police chiefs and your police executives,” he added. “You can’t. Doesn’t add up.”
“This is a nightmare scenario,” Heidi Altman, director of policy at the National Immigrant Justice Center, told The Intercept. Altman pointed to three elements of the administration’s initial orders as key areas of concern. The first is the range of individuals to be targeted by Trump’s immigration enforcement agents, which grows increasingly broad as the order on public safety in the interior unfolds and, according to a recent analysis by the Los Angeles Times, could ensnare as many as 8 million people.
In the view of the administration, any “removable alien” who has broken a law or been suspected of breaking a law is fair game for deportation — regardless of whether that person was convicted or even charged with a crime. The order goes on to say that any person from that category who authorities believe “committed acts that constitute a chargeable criminal offense” can and should be targeted as well. Whether that person is a young student suspected of a traffic violation or a grandmother who’s lived in the country for decades is immaterial; both are on par with a violent criminal in Trump’s America and can expect to face the same consequence: removal from the country.
Second, Altman explained, Trump’s order calls for the revitalization of two deeply controversial immigration enforcement initiatives: the widely reported program known as Secure Communities and a lesser known, though arguably more aggressive program known as 287(g).
Spearheaded by the Bush administration and expanded under Obama, the DHS-administered Secure Communities program partnered ICE with local jails to facilitate the sharing of biometric data between detention facilities and ICE officials. After years of criticism from immigration advocates, who argued that the program routinely went far beyond targeting violent offenders, the Obama administration ended Secure Communities in November 2014, replacing it with a similar initiative known as the Priority Enforcement Program.
The second program slated for expansion under the Trump administration, 287(g), permits partnerships between local jails and ICE agents as well, but also goes a step further, allowing local and state law enforcement officers on the street to be deputized as immigration officials. Investigations by the Department of Justice and the ACLU have repeatedly linked implementation of 287(g) to systemic patterns of racial profiling and constitutional rights violations in Latino communities.
The third element of the Trump domestic enforcement plan Altman pointed to is the administration’s targeting of sanctuary cities — described in the order as “jurisdictions across the United States [that] willfully violate Federal law in an attempt to shield aliens from removal from the United States.” Under the order, cities that refuse to comply with the administration’s enforcement directives will be cut off from federal grants “except as deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes by the Attorney General or the Secretary [of DHS].” According to an analysis by Reuters, implementation of this component of Trump’s order would threaten $2.27 billion in annual funds for the nation’s 10 largest cities, including hundreds of millions of dollars intended for Head Start preschool programs, public housing, and HIV prevention and relief.
Combining the broadened categories of people prioritized for enforcement, the enlistment of local and state authorities to execute that enforcement, and the “coercive threats against sanctuaries or restrictions” makes for a “very toxic” brew, Altman argued.
“When you put the three of them together, you just have the most fertile ground possible for racial profiling and terrorized immigrant communities who are going to be too frightened to cooperate with their local police,” she said.
Altman is not alone in her grim assessment. In a legal breakdown following the signing of the order, immigration attorney David Leopold argued that Trump’s directive is a loaded gun with millions of immigrants in its crosshairs. “Trump’s plan is a blueprint to implement his campaign promises of mass deportation, and it puts in place the Deportation Force to carry out his plan,” Leopold wrote on Medium. “It’s clear that the executive orders were crafted by the most extreme anti-immigrant zealots in Trump’s orbit.”
“I don’t want to say one order is more important than the other one,” Leopold told The Intercept, noting that the dramatic human impact of Trump’s travel ban is self-evident, not to mention the deep legal concerns raised by the order. But, he added, Trump’s order on internal immigration enforcement is “just as important” and has unfortunately slipped beneath the public’s radar.
“I shudder to think about what’s going to happen once that’s implemented, and we’re already seeing signs,” Leopold said. “He has made, or I want to say Steve Bannon has made, every immigrant in this country a priority.”
“That thing is vicious,” Leopold added. “It’s vicious.”
Correction: Feb. 9, 2017
An earlier version of this article incorrectly described Donald Trump’s executive actions on border security and immigration as his first executive order.
First the Latinos then, next, next in line, as economic times change and in the event of a Depression which also savagely hammers the tech world, those millions — yes millions — of Asian, South American, Indian, African and even European high-skilled tech and software workers whose immigration status, especially if temporary, will come under fire and will be the next to be thrown out, otherwise known as deported, particularly if your skin tint and accent makes you a visible target. Are you ready are at least thinking about it? You better because times are a-changing.
Who really is behind these protests:
Michel Chossudovsky: “This is a very important question, because the consequences of neoliberalism, as we see in different parts of the world, create conditions of mass protest. What has occurred is that the seats of power of the new world order, primarily Wall Street, the financial conglomerates, they not only control the governments which are implementing these neoliberal policies, but they also indirectly control the protest movement, which is funded by the corporate tax-free foundations.
It’s not to say that all protest movements are funded by Wall Street but in effect, if we start to look into the whole nexus of non-governmental organizations, what we have is that many of these organizations, NGOs, civil society organizations historically linked to the protest movement are in fact funded by private foundations including the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, the McCarthy Foundation, among others. The Tides Foundation has a mandate to fund progressive organizations. It’s a multi-million-dollar foundation and it just so happens that the Tides Foundation is then receiving grants from several of the corporate foundations including the Rockefellers and the Fords. So what is at stake is that the entities which are opposed to neoliberalism are in a sense funded by neoliberalism.
You take the situation, let’s say, of Occupy Wall Street. Well, Occupy Wall Street on the one hand has a mandate to go against Wall Street, but then when you start to examine who is behind them, who is funding them, they’re funded by tax-free foundations. So Wall Street funds the protest movement against Wall Street. Very convenient.”
So: destabilisation and poverty means provit for a few.
They dont even hide it:
“Ford Foundation who said, and I quote, “Everything the Ford Foundation did could be regarded as making the world safe for capitalism, reducing social tensions by helping to comfort the afflicted, provide safety valves for the angry and improve the functioning of government.” That is the mandate of the Ford Foundation which funds dissent, namely the people who don’t like the capitalist system who are protesting but at the same time, through this mechanism, the elite foundations establish the limits of the protest movement, and in a sense they manufacture dissent.”
An interesting, albeit unlikely theory. The Woman’s March that occurred after you inauguration we essentially the spark that started these protests. That March was grass-roots, and then the foundations came in to assist.
I think you might be mis-reading what’s going on. After all, why would Wall St promote an angry mob against itself? People who commit criminal acts want to hide in the shadows, not have the spotlight of an angry mob on them for days/weeks.
It’s the foundations, and currently the Democratic Party itself, riding the coat tails of the protests which are organic.
Oops, “occurred after the inauguration was essentially…”
Stoopid auto-correct again.
This is nothing new, why the sudden outage over violations of human rights? They have been targeting people who choose alternative mood altering substance for well over 50 years now, building and filling several human warehouses to hold them all.
Craig Nelsen
Slightly [edited] for accuracy
Fourth, be careful about [overtly] expressing [racist views and passing it off as] concern for the plight of white Americans here. There [are] person[s] here named Doug [&] [M]ona who will [point out your lies and] insults [when] you [try to lie to others about your racist views].
1. As an American citizen, do you have a right to life support? Y/N
2. As an American, do you have a right of being gainfully employed? Y/N
3. As an American, does anyone have a right to prevent you from living by replacing you with non-americans? Y/N
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/02/09/17-35105.pdf
The university of Washington was in the process of sponsoring three prospective employees from countries covered by the executive order for visas.
Follow the money. As long as 100+ tech companies are allowed to sabotage American employment, America will continue to sink.
FOLLOW THE EDUCATION: As long as President Trump continues to support a Cabinet that contains unqualified individuals Like DeVos who are hell-bent on home-schooling, religious schools and other folly, those jobs will remain unfilled.
Go Trump Go , doing the will of the people.
Will the people your Fuhrer lost by 3 million. go goosestep your trolling back to 1930’s Germany.
I hope The Intercept is busy analyzing Trump’s order about gangs, which the media largely dismissed as blowing smoke, because I think this is pivotal:
Even in the 1980s, clued-in people knew that the NSA was listening to everything they said on the phone. But the line used by the oh-don’t-worry folks was that the NSA was only concerned about “national security” and that all their voluminous archives weren’t really going to be used to come out and prosecute ordinary people. We’ve seen that distinction quietly eroding, even in the Obama years. But this is an out and out declaration: if the government can suck up your communications on the grounds that they don’t know, the guy you were talking to might have been foreign, then from now on ANY agency – FBI, DEA, IRS, so on – can go in there and use it for their own purposes.
Now to be sure, that’s limited to “transnational criminal organizations”. They keep the fig leaf of a nexus to some foreign organization, so whatever feds are searching through your conversations are still supposedly dealing with national security. But the “subsidiary organizations” stakes a claim to a whole lot of leeway to play with! I mean, the Zetas are a transnational criminal organization. If a gang member buys from them, he’s a subsidiary. If he posts it on some Silk Road type site, I assume they’re a subsidiary. And if they use TOR, then is TOR a subsidiary? Now what about organizations that use TOR, whether anarchists or New Yorker magazine, are they subsidiaries? So if somebody gave compromising information about a Trump company to the New Yorker, well, I assume that the FBI has the right to investigate that, and if the person were cleared of wrongdoing but alas somehow a leak in the meanwhile revealed who it was to the right someone, they’d be looking for a new career, right? That kind of stuff.
Great comment. You’re very right on so many things listed here. Especially this:
Thanks.
Off the topic perhaps but why are we arguing nuances such as What is he saying? What does he mean by that? What are his motives? This is a dangerous waste of time. The president is unhinged.
Deep State advocates the immigration of Muslims:
“You see, we look at the president, look at what he said, look at what he could do, and we look at his advisors. But quite honestly, there is an external source that we refer to as a deep state or shadow government. There is a great influence of people who are actually more powerful than our government, as our president and beyond. “
Some of these folks may come to thank their lucky stars that they were kicked out before The Terror really gets going.
That said, it would seem that, like so many of these “pro-russian”(/s) sites, the alt-reich spreads it’s usual slime(orange tinted, this time) with near impunity in all that they imply.
The NWO people as a whole will be its own messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy, and by the establishment of a world republic in which the NWOs will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this new world order the children of them will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the NWOs. It will then be possible for the NWO rulers to abolish private property, and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which it is said that when the messianic time is come, the NWO will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.
LOL. This idea is wrong, but I must commend the way you slipped this one right past automated filters and even inattentive readers until I got to the last sentence. I do not believe in censorship. And it is true that oligarchs of whatever religion (like Thiel, as The Intercept reported) already *have* citizenship everywhere; they merely need their people put through the paperwork as appropriate for the PR.
I dont like NWO at all. May be the wrong way I choosed for a wake up call.
I was happy to see the Clintons gone. With Trump now I am not sure. Russia, China and Iran, the way he is handling that is the way the NWO people seem to like as well.
How Michel Chossudovsky describes NWO:
“The new world order is a global capitalist system. It’s based on hegemony; it’s based on military power. I think one would also say that it is characterized by the outright criminalization of politics. The fact is that we don’t really have honest people in government anymore, very few. It’s also the fact that in the course of the last 20 or 30 years, all socialist and/or social democratic projects have been eliminated in one form or another. We can think of Nicaragua back in the early ‘80s. Of course, Guatemala, El Salvador. As well we can think of Vietnam obliterated through the Vietnam War, Cambodia, Indonesia from the early/mid-60s. We can look at Chile, Argentina, Mozambique, Angola, Algeria, numerous countries whose projects have been obliterated and destroyed. In other words, there’s no longer any nationalism and there’s no longer any reformist government which acts on behalf of its population.
In the United States we have individuals which are really the instruments of the corporate lobby groups. They’re not providing any leadership. I don’t think that Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton can provide any leadership with regards to decision making. They will abide by the instructions which are transmitted to them by their corporate sponsors.”
If US citizens want illegal Mexicans, and Central and South Americans people to stay in the US, then they should ask to change the immigration laws.
Not an easy task.
What other countries allow illegal immigrants?
Germany did and is still doing. Germany is controlled by Deep State as well.
There are lots of countries that have more permissive immigration than the US. In Canada, for example, you can apply for permanent residence without even having a job or living in the country. So long as you meet certain criteria, they give it to you. That’s also the case in a number of South American countries.
No country allows “illegal immigrants”, of course, but they might not use that term. Can a person be “illegal” or are actions illegal?
Vicious??!!!! Are you serious??!!! They broke the LAW!!! This has absolutely nothing to do with RACE!!! Trump can do this according to the LAW!!! Read the CONSTITUTION people. What’s wrong with you people??? Do you think they’ll rally around the pole for you??? Please!!! Don’t hold your breath!!! And another thing…let me see you walk into their COUNTRY!!! Just try!!!
Mexico? Virtually any other Latin American nation? It’s easy. Americans do it every minute.
I think you may have had difficulty recognizing the executive order under discussion because you were trying to read (you were trying, right?) while hyperventilating.
So, the Trump administration announced or it was leaked that they will be re-drafing the EO on the Muslim ban.
This idea came from Alan Dershowitz, who over the last 3 or 4 days, has been on CNN and MSNBC stating that this was an option for the Trump administration. It seems that the ever-so-inexperienced Trump administration needs help from CNN Fake News guests with their policies.
On another note, it came to me this morning as why the Trump administration has not gotten this order through since Obama and Bush had courts who always seemed helpful to give the Executive branch whatever they want.
There is a strategy (TBD PLACEHOLDER) they (previous presidents) used that the Trump administration lawyers seems absolutely too stupid to articulate.
The Politics of the Possible: 150 Federal Prosecutors Denounce Trumps Muslim Ban
Stingrays Provide FBI NSA Informal Federal “Oversight” for members of the Congressional Committees Providing Formal Oversight of the FBI NSA , Hampton Homeowners, Gun Owners and Anti War Activists.
“A New Frontier in Police Surveillance”
Featuring Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Chairman, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform; Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), Ranking Member, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform; Adam Bates, Policy Analyst, Cato Institute; moderated by Julian Sanchez, Senior Fellow, Cato Institute.
https://www.cato.org/events/stingrays-new-frontier-police-surveillance
the court decision was a bit empty for you idealists
since they ruled that there was not enough evidence of a threat … this implies that trump simply needs to patch up relations with IC and come up with some better imminent danger stuff coming from the muslins
not exactly a condemnation of religious profiling per se
However, a nice refresher course in the purpose and powers of the judicial system and checks and balances, as well as a good lesson that it’s always a good idea to have enough evidence to back up your claims.
by invoking “pre-immigration imminent threat” trump can ban muslins without worrying about religious discrimination, he just needs some better intel from deepstate and IC
this is much like a retaining order on a violent spouse, who cares if he’s a good bowler or not
Speaking of Idealism…wishful “thinking”, smugness .have you read the entire 9th courts decision?
Bingo
Actually, the ruling is that there is zero evidence of a threat. It also makes clear the Trump administration is going to lose before them later on the merits, i.e., when the whole matter is before them, rather than the stay request.
Perhaps I am not an idealist; I assess the decision as lovely and far from empty.
Actually, there is nothing in the law requiring the executive branch to show cause to the courts or anyone else for its decisions on immigration.
The executive has as much power as the congress permits by legislation, not how much power the judiciary permits.
That’s not the argument..
The judicial branch, The Court decides what the Law Is.
The Executive Branch does not.
Executive Orders are subject to review by the court .
The Executive branch failed to follow proper, routine vetting process before releasing the executive order.
Why do you people care about people who don’t care about you? You need to worry about jobs, health care, etc for yourselves. Muslims don’t care about your problems, only that they can flee their own country and come here. They certainly don’t care if you were turned away from their countries – there would be no protest at all. It’s what you can do for them, not what they can do for you.
There are people with and without empathy in all cultures, and you can have empathy for people who don’t, so I’m not sure what your point is.
This is an incredibly important point:
It reminds me of the picture of the somewhat shocked-looking German woman in the wake of the mass rapes on New Years Eve in Cologne carrying a sign reading, “Have Nice Sex”.
I wonder how many of the 130 white kids slaughtered at the Bataclan’s last words were, but I had empathy.
I’m atheist, so presumably religious Muslims wouldn’t like me. I honestly don’t see how that prevents me from having empathy for Muslim communities that get bombed on a daily basis.
On an individual basis, I can see how I could suspend empathy for some asshole, but I emphasize individual basis. Generalizing that kind of sentiment to an entire demographic is, frankly, stupid.
You’re paying for the bombardments – do something about it or shut up.
And most ironically, it’s the failure of empathy on the part of so many French that results in enraged young males blowing shit up. French depredations in Algeria and mistreatment of Muslims in France predictably leads to blowback.
This is Human Nature 101. As you note, and morality quite aside, white nationalists’ complete failure to get it is also an example of their profound stupidity.
An analogy that I think is easy to understand is as follows: A lion’s instinct, when it sees me, is probably to eat me. That doesn’t mean I should be OK with hunting lions until they become extinct. Absolutely not. (I’m of course not comparing anyone to savage animals, but I wanted to bring it to a level that even simpletons can understand.)
I don’t really see how your last statement is supported. The countries in question have all been bombed by the U.S. and/or its proxies (with the exception being Iran). It’s common sense that many individuals from these countries (or “demographics” as you call them) harbor resentment towards the U.S., and would like nothing more than to strike back. Add to this the nearly impossible task of vetting these individuals, and it becomes clear that a travel ban is imminently pragmatic.
There are 3 million Muslims in the US. While some of them are justifiably angry, only a tiny fraction of them have engaged in violence. Indeed, toddlers with guns are quantitatively a more serious concern. When you’re considering if something is “pragmatic”, you should not only look at its benefits, but also its drawbacks. For example, there are 40,000 vehicular deaths every year in the US. Should cars be banned? Of course not. You consider other interests. You consider what’s right and wrong. That’s what the 9th circuit did.
The Golden Rule..do onto others as you would have them do onto you..
I would want aid in the form of arms, medicine, and food in order to fight for my country.
This administration is in my opinion an extremist organization unto itself and is committing acts of psychological terrorism against masses of people who do not fit their profile. How is that acceptable? And what can be done? The first of millions has been deported, in the middle of the night no less, without benefit of contacting their lawyer. The plan is to set up for-profit detentions centers, which to me is just another name for internment camps. Thousands have been and will continue to be detained at borders, are refused legal representation, and their names are withheld. Even Canadians are being turned back at the border if they don’t answer favorably to the question of whether or not they support Trump. If this isn’t Nazi style ethnic cleansing, what is?
I’m not American, so can someone help me out here ? Am I right in thinking that people like García de Rayos who have fake social security card numbers pay taxes for which they receive no benefits ? Taxation without representation ?
Yes, exactly – as is the case will all undocumented workers in the US. They pay a lot of taxes – payroll, sales, property etc – but are entitled to very few actual services.
The right wing cannot make up its mind why they hate these people. Either they are lazy people who won’t get work, or they are stealing jobs…
The only” police union” cited as being opposed to Trump’s plans is composed of police chiefs mostly from large Democrat controlled cities. These men are politically appointed hacks. They in no way represent the views of the manpower of law enforcement agencies.
Let me get this straight, people break Americas laws over a long period of time. Once enough time have passed and these law breakers number in the millions, they have the audacity to protest the fact that Americans do not want illegal immigration of any kind? You should fear the authorities if you broke the law. You should fear deportation. That is how the system is designed. Americans (of all races) have the right to decide who, how many, under what circumstances, etc, an alien may enter into our country.
So Trump put forth an order calling for two existing regulations to be put up for removal when suggesting a new regulation to try and remove “useless” and “redundant” regulations. Yet here we have Trump abusing executive orders to combat problems that have been steadily decreasing since Obama took office. All Trump has done so far is prey on the unfounded fears of the right.
If you are here illegally not on a visa not legally knowingly to authorities trying to become a legal citizen or not otherwise here legally visiting studying or working then you have no rights to be here and should be deported. Illegal immigrants allowed here by liberal Democrats for the purpose of causing trouble (Obama) and so they will vote Democratic (power). Hooray that Trump is trying to make America safe and protect it from enemies (criminals/drug dealors/Islamic terrorism.
The article is somewhat informative, though patently biased against what I would call the simple enforcement of US immigration laws. Mr. Devereaux tells only the parts that help his narrative. As but one example, he minimizes the felony of which Ms. Garcia de Rayos was convicted as simply using a fake social security number, when in fact (as described elsewhere), she was convicted of appropriating someone else’s identity. Mr. Devereaux assures us she only did this so she could work, hardly a crime at all in his mind, but in fact she managed to work for years after her conviction, presumably using her own identity and not resorting to felony impersonation. Does the law mean anything to Mr. Devereaux? Apparently not. As for the main subject of his narrative — new arrivals — their only downside is removal back to the country form whence they came, where they are then free get on with their lives.
The thieving wallstreet OWNERS CLUB needs the doers to do their bidding to do stuff, but on the condition that doers compete for the bottom whereby the bottom bidder is the winner and the other is unemployed. Doers are not guaranteed survival, only a place in the ring to fight for survival while the owners party on. When the unemployment rate gets too low, the owners bring in more people and if it gets to crowded, they build cubicles for doers to live in, even the conditions are not fit for good human life. And every generation it gets worse for the doers and it will continue to get worse until the doers decide to become owners.
and yeah, Russia did it.
maybe when the population of the US is 5 billion and all the food is flavorised seaweed, seaweed salad, seaweed poridge, seaweed sandwiches, rationed water… nah, you will be replaced by a robot long before that.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-future-of-robotics/
Robots have the potential to separate doers works/creative from the bread and circus fast food internet group. To live a “robotic” life style were you never wash the car or mow the lawn, or choose to mow the law with a hand mower to keep in shape will arrive. No regulation can stop it. To make it work we need to reduce World population to about 5 billion and use “zero” green technologies. It can be a new leisure life to vegetate or create as you will. Live in a zerohouse with attached greenhouse to grow much of your own food and use technology to produce your own energy. Play with the kids in the virtual reality holodeck or call for an electric auto-drive car to take you to destination or mass transportation. You can watch porn or try to cure cancer as you wish. I recommend a little of the former and a lot of some personal self improvement mission such as the later. Population control and small foot print are key. If we exceed the speed limit of resource capacity then the four horsemen will correct our course.
seaweed is the future, it was on tv
stop the muslins, before they take all our seaweed
Trump has picked another fight and many people are pushing back. The passion on both sides puts the process is in play, good. End game compromise a fair and generous immigration law lots of green cards. Example, if you just faked or borrowed a SS# to get a job you can stay and work toward citizenship. If you used it to commit credit card fraud no. Lines will be drawn and numbers set neither side will get all they want but it will be much better than none or all for either side.
Why does this writer and the dumbos in the photo not know the difference between “immigrant” and “illegal immigrant”. You lose all credibility by failing to make the distinction. You just make people angry by your stupidity and attempts to make Americans feel sorry for these invaders. Shameful analysis. If you commit a crime, you should live in fear. Its called “having a conscience”.
I just posted a message to alert other participants here to the identity and history of the poster Craig Nelsen. I forgot that posts with multiple links are held for moderation. My original will show up sooner or later but, for now, here it is without links:
Poster Craig Nelsen is a racist, an antisemite, a xenophobe and a white nationalist.
He is/was the head of an organization called ProjectUSA that was engaged in anti-immigrant activities as early as the 1990s.
ProjectUSA received funding from, among other sources, the Pioneer Fund, a long-established white nationalist organization that funds “studies” on race and intelligence and on eugenics — the “science of breeding superior human beings.”
Mr. Nelsen is also a former member of the board of directors of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an extremist anti-immigrant entity about which the Southern Poverty Law Center says:
In his short time among us, Nelsen has, along with other noxious spewing, posted these tidbits:
And this, in response to rrheard:
Just make sure, readers, you know whose words you are reading. I and others will be here to keep reminding you.
You can tell when your argument is too strong for someone. They turn to attacking the messenger. Mr. Salzmann is incensed that I called him out on his dishonesty here. I think it was my first time posting on this site and I came across his assertion that Trump’s refugee ban is unconstitutional. I refuted with this:
after which he didn’t engage on the substance instead (proving the weight he gives my argument) he dived deep into “back to the 1990s territory”.
Now, as to his yipping around my ankles with his harmless but annoying “rraayyccisss!”, “rayycisss!”:
Am I a “white nationalist”? As I responded to Mr. Salzmann already: I am white. And I have the best interests of my country at heart. Does that make me a white nationalist?
Mr. Salzmann takes particular exception that I admit wanting the best for my people. My “we” is “Americans” and “whites” and “scuba divers” and a bunch of others. The one that inflames Mr Salzmann is the we that is white. Alone among all we’s in the universe, that one is immoral to want the best for.
The ADL may be concerned for the best interests of the Jewish people, the NAACP may openly advocate for the best interests of African-Americans, the AFL-CIO is permitted to work on behalf of blue collar workers, GLAAD can work on behalf of gays, NOW for women, the NRA for gun owners–no one has any problem with humans advocating on their own behalf anywhere except, in Mr. Salzmann’s eyes, when it comes to white people. Then, it is an evil of such mammoth proportions he will spend hours assembling links to make an airtight case that I am indeed guilty of having concern for my people.
So what?
Do you guys conduct eugenics experiments for the Pioneer crazies?
Is it really you who are responsible for the “Venusians mating with people from all walks of life — in an advisory capacity?”
Mr. Nelsen is doing the white supremacist version of the Gish Gallop.
In spite of his delusions of grandeur, he is just another run-of-the-mill white supremacist who must be pissing his pants, knowing whites will eventually become a minority in this country. Probably has a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest in his yard, which he worships religiously.
No. That would just make you a nationalist. To be a white nationalist, you also have to think that your country belongs to white people (which is not an uncommon belief.)
If you believe in the ridiculous concept of “white genocide”, then you are a white nationalist, but that’s the least of it. It would mean you can’t think rationally.
Thank you! When I have been reading posts, I have often wondered what the motives and backgrounds of some posters were, other than the obvious. Please DO continue to out them.
This administration is in my opinion an extremist organization unto itself and is committing acts of psychological terrorism against masses of people who do not fit their profile. How is that acceptable? And what can be done? The first of millions has been deported, in the middle of the night no less, without benefit of contacting their lawyer. The plan is to set up for-profit detentions centers, which to me is just another name for internment camps. Thousands have been and will continue to be detained at borders, are refused legal representation, and their names are withheld. Even Canadians are being turned back at the border if they don’t answer favorably to the question of whether or not they support Trump. If this isn’t Nazi style ethnic cleansing, what is?
Yes Mona/Doug we get it,
The only Jews that you personally hate are those who do not share your own worldview (e.g. Zionists, religious Jews etc)
Well, I do indeed tend to hate ethno-nationalists, whether Zionist or white supremacist. But I truly am empathetic and realize how awful it is to be alone — you’ve been single-handedly battling against black people here for so, so long, but now have a fun new friend in Mr. Nelsen. It’s just heart-warming, is what it is. [sniffle]
I love the Internet, Part 6,397, Anna
That. Is. Goddam. Hilarious.
So, Anna, you suffer from the delusion that Doug and I have never said a word in opposition to Zionist depredations on Palestinians? That we loved us Obama, and thought the sell-out to Big Insurance and Big Pharma was just the bees knees? That Obama’s assassinations, Bush’s torture and black sites, those we watched with utter equanimity? We have never remotely suggested that Wall St. is a den of inequity?
You, Anna, are an utter hoot. So many Trumpers are. You don’t know jack shit about the American form of government or the Constitution, and you are totally clueless about the typical commenter at this site — but my oh my, can you entertain.
Next up from Anna: “That Pope Francis, you never hear him talk about God!”
There seems to be a lot of jumping to ridiculous conclusions going on around here. You could hardly have read comments at The Intercept for five days picked at random, over the entire period since publication began, and rationally conclude such nonsense either one of us.
One would think that a simple desire to avoid appearing as a clueless idiot would cause a human of average intelligence to pause and consider before clicking “Submit” on a post like Anna’s.
But, nooooo. . .
Wonder what is SO difficult about filling out immigration documents and entering the country legally? By not doing so, you show a lack of respect for our country and honestly, we have enough disrespectful un-American asses here already (we call them Liberals). If we did that in your country, you would feel the same. Go the the U.S. Embassy or Consulate in your country and fill out the damn forms! If you’re too lazy to pick up a pencil and fill out a form, then you deserve to be deported. We have enough lazy people here already. They’re called teenagers…
Demons in the Whitehouse!
Prophecy come True: Is this not the complete description of “Donald the Demon!” (DTD)
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth… ~2 Timothy chapter 3
Prophecy come True: Is this not the complete description of “Donald the Demon!” (DTD)
Regards,
A Voice Crying in the Wilderness
Incontinent? I wasn’t aware. Maybe I should have been taking this more seriously.
Yes you should. Drooling pus from that leaking perineal abscess between your ears is cause for concern. I suggest a daily 1/2 liter dose of 50/50 chlorine/ammonia would help. If it doesn’t, there’s always a hollowround. However, do us a favor before committing, clean up that slime trail of pus between your comments. The stench is gagging everyone. Btw, how do you live with it? sheeezus.
Obama deported more illegal aliens than any other President. Where was the outrage then?
Let’s see- “We” came here somewhere in the early 1600s. “We” found this Promised Land, rich beyond imagination with fresh water and fertile earth and abundant game and timber for the felling. And to “our” further delight, it was largely uninhabited–if “we” didn’t count the Red Ones.
“We” didn’t see too many of them at first; they avoided our noise and the smoke from our fires, which were always too big. But soon enough, “we” were here in such numbers that they couldn’t go around us anymore.
“We” were shocked–SHOCKED, I tell ya–that there were Savages in “our” Promised Land! So “we” set about exterminating them. “We” killed them whenever “we” saw them, “we” drove them from their land and their homes, “we” slaughtered their food supply and left the buffalo bodies to rot in the sun by the hundreds of acres. “We” gave them blankets full of smallpox, murdered their children and raped their women before “we” murdered them as well. “We” rounded them up into concentration camps and ate their food while they starved. “We” made them cut their hair, wear britches and beat them to death if they wouldn’t speak “our” language.
“We” stole a whole continent from them and paid them in Genocide.
“We” stole half of Mexico by armed force — the nice parts with rich deposits of gold and silver (and, as it turned out, oil — though “we” didn’t actually recognize that at the time.)
“We” made sure that “our” influence over Latin America was such that wealth would be steadily transferred from their countries to ours. “We” sent the Marines to Nicaragua, Haiti, & Guatemala often enough to insure that life in those countries would be a permanent living hell for most of the inhabitants. “We” imposed military dictatorships in almost every Central & South American country, stunting the aspirations of their people, & imposing conditions from which some of those countries will never recover. (So if some of the people want to escape from the living conditions in those countries, “we” had very much to do with creating those conditions.)
Interestingly, “we” started doing all this around the same time that “we” were exterminating the indigenous people here, AND using black slaves from Africa. What a loveable, righteous people “we” are, here in the “Land of the Free”!!
And “we’re” worried about Illegal Immigration?
In the 1830s, the Frenchman, Alexis de Tocqueville, predicted that in our condition of equality, Americans would grow to love that equality more than liberty. How right he was, Notice how Allen puts “we” in quotes. He is so suffused in egalitarianism, he has a hard time even saying “us” and “them”. Something seems wrong about it despite our daily encounter with thousands of we/they distinctions with zero moral implication. She works with us/he works with them. We live in this town. They don’t. They drank wine tonight. We had beer. Nevertheless, the word “they” just feels icky to us.
We’ve actually gone beyond what de Tocqueville foresaw. We have nearly reached critical mass where we are willing to sacrifice our country, our way of life, potentially our very lives, on the altar of equality–for what else is the current struggle over refugees but a struggle between the radical egalitarians, for whom it is pure evil to hold up our hand and say “Stop. You can’t come in. You aren’t one of us.”, and what I think of as the sober, non-wild-eyed half of the population that sees the world more in terms as it really is–full of us’s and them’s.
The other noteworthy thing about Allen’s post is the passion with which he hates his own people. This isn’t normal. Other cultures look on in amazement when someone like Allen launches on a I hate “us” rant. From their point of view, frequently, it looks like the worst kind of arrogance and superiority-signaling–like the sexy babe who comes out in the bikini looks in the mirror, pinches a quarter-inch on her midriff and exclaims, Oh, I’m so fat! All the fat girls, everybody actually, despises her for that.
Allen’s tirade is sophomoric , embarrassing, and factually laughable (thanks! Weinstein brothers!), of course, but here’s the bright side and reason not to despair. Unless I miss my guess, Allen is about 24 – 25 years old. When I was that age, I wrote a letter to the editor of the Village Voice about a movie review or something and sounded just exactly like Allen. So give him a few years. He’ll wise up.
One of the iron laws of immigration is that people travel from poor countries to rich countries to seek their fortunes. Opposing this process is like opposing gravity, it will be an exercise in futility, like the war on drugs.
That’s what the New York Times has been telling us for decades, but Japan and Israel are doing a bang-up job. Israel has even reversed Jewish demographic decline.
Well, Israel is certainly doing a bang-up job.
Poster Craig Nelsen is a racist, an antisemite, a xenophobe and a white nationalist.
He is/was the head of an organization called ProjectUSA that was engaged in anti-immigrant activities as early as the 1990s.
ProjectUSA received funding from, among other sources, the Pioneer Fund, a long-established white nationalist organization that funds “studies” on race and intelligence and on eugenics — the “science of breeding superior human beings.”
Mr. Nelsen is also a former member of the board of directors of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an extremist anti-immigrant entity about which the Southern Poverty Law Center says:
In his short time among us, Nelsen has, along with other noxious spewing, posted these tidbits:
And this, in response to rrheard:
Just make sure, readers, you know whose words you are reading. I and others will be here to keep reminding you.
Oh, no! Not our very lives! I was so hoping to live forever.
There’s nothing like the fevered rhetoric of the White Knights of Supremacy for providing sick and twisted comic relief. I’ll be awake for hours, listening to my internal General Jack D. Ripper:
“. . .our precious bodily fluids!”
I’m sure there’s plenty of other people who read and comment here who are waiting on a certain someone to wise up. I reckon your a lonely old fart devoted to your comments page. Maybe bored in retirement from Boeing or Lockheed or some other GE type organization. That’s the cover of paint on your story mr wise!
That’s complete BS. I’m familiar with a number of countries, and it’s very common for people to be critical of their own country (not just the government, but its culture and people) and even go as far as saying “my country sucks.” Indeed, Americans are more tribalist than most, I’d say. A concept equivalent to “anti-American”, for example, practically doesn’t exist as a relevant meme in any other country, except maybe Israel.
Your last sentence supports my position and contradicts yours. I’m “familiar with a number of countries”, too. And I have never run across the equivalent of the American 20-something who has decided not to have children as a moral duty to help extinguish the white race. (Thanks Weinstein brothers!)
It’s not contradictory. I’m saying self-criticism is common everywhere, but concepts equivalent to “anti-American” are not. Take Venezuela, for example. There’s a lot of animosity toward Venezuela, both foreign and domestic. Have you ever heard of “anti-Venezuelan”?
Well said. The neo-Nativists are out in full force, but they lost before and they will now.
Trumpers: “See you in court!”
Ninth Circuit: “We are a court.”
Trumpers: “Damn courts!”
Perfect…no borders, let’s see how the judges prevail against the ungovernable masses of Muslims preferring their loyal adherence to Sharia. Maybe Robarts can change his name to Robartistan, and the state only needs to change it’s o to an a, and add an s , Washingstan.
Muslims coming to the U.S. are about as interested in imposing sharia law here as 19th century Catholics were interested in taking over the U.S. for the Vatican.
There is a LEGAL PROCESS involved in emigrating to the U.S. What part of that don’t you ‘progressive’ fucks understand?!
I’m one-hundred percent convinced that Leftism is a mental disease.
I’m 200% sure…
Yes, well you were also awfully sure that this site hadn’t condemned Obama’s slaughter of Muslims. You were as accurate there as you are here.
Mona – you just don’t get it. You don’t because you fail to understand the difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.
The signs in the article read: “Immigrants are welcome here.” And yes they are indeed welcome- however [for the millionth time] there is a LEGAL process by which they need to follow! What part of that are you having a difficult time with, Mona? Where are the inaccuracies I put forth?
What a sick joke your mind plays on you Mona. It’s sad, really.
Just a snippet from the 9th Court’s decision on the TRO..(the legal process)..hope A.Citizen can understand it;
Reviewability of the Executive Order..
“…the Government has taken the position that the President’s decisions about immigration policy, particularly when motivated by national security concerns, are unreviewable, even if those actions potentially contravene constitutional rights and protections. The Government indeed asserts that it violates separation of powers for the judiciary to entertain a constitutional challenge to executive actions such as this one.
There is no precedent to support this claimed unreviewability, which runs contrary to the fundamental structure of our constitutional democracy….(rejecting the idea that, even by congressional statute, Congress and the Executive could eliminate federal court habeas jurisdiction over enemy combatants, because the “political branches” lack “the power to switch the Constitution on or off at will”). Within our system, it is the role of the judiciary to interpret the law, a duty that will sometimes require the “[r]esolution of litigation challenging the constitutional authority of one of the three branches.”….”We are called upon to perform that duty in this case”
…”neither the Supreme Court nor our court has ever held that courts lack the authority to review executive action in those arenas for compliance with the Constitution. To the contrary, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and explicitly rejected the notion that the political branches have unreviewable authority over immigration or are not subject to the Constitution when policymaking in that context.”…”courts are not powerless to review the political branches’…”it is beyond question that the federal judiciary retains the authority to adjudicate constitutional challenges to executive action.”
Reviewability of the Executive Order..
“…the Government has taken the position that the President’s decisions about immigration policy, particularly when motivated by national security concerns, are unreviewable, even if those actions potentially contravene constitutional rights and protections. The Government indeed asserts that it violates separation of powers for the judiciary to entertain a constitutional challenge to executive actions such as this one.
There is no precedent to support this claimed unreviewability, which runs contrary to the fundamental structure of our constitutional democracy….(rejecting the idea that, even by congressional statute, Congress and the Executive could eliminate federal court habeas jurisdiction over enemy combatants, because the “political branches” lack “the power to switch the Constitution on or off at will”). Within our system, it is the role of the judiciary to interpret the law, a duty that will sometimes require the “[r]esolution of litigation challenging the constitutional authority of one of the three branches.”….”We are called upon to perform that duty in this case”
…”neither the Supreme Court nor our court has ever held that courts lack the authority to review executive action in those arenas for compliance with the Constitution. To the contrary, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and explicitly rejected the notion that the political branches have unreviewable authority over immigration or are not subject to the Constitution when policymaking in that context.”…”courts are not powerless to review the political branches’…”it is beyond question that the federal judiciary retains the authority to adjudicate constitutional challenges to executive action”…
Ninth Circuit: We get a say!
For a straight-to-the-bone take on something, it’s hard to go wrong with Pat Buchanan.
[Monoug: I’ll stipulate to the usual slurs and name-calling. Address the substance if you’ve the wattage.]
We are not against illegal immigrants because they are not our enemies. People like you are.
Sing it brother, and I’ll turn the page.
“We are not against illegal immigrants because they are not our enemies. People like you are.”
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I don’t consider illegal immigrants as “enemies” however Leftists like yourself see anyone whom you disagree with as enemies. And for that go and fuck yourself.
The Mexicans are taking over and they’re mixing with the blacks creating a beautiful new BROWN American. You deserve it!
USA-UK-CANADA-AUSTRALIA-and last but not least little israel the little Hitler child itself anything that waters down their white sickness is a blessing. Make the World Brown again! Illegal immigrants are slaves a little lower on the totem pole than your kind!
Wot?
Your confusion stems from the fact that you believe outright falsehoods that are part of your successful indoctrination. So why can’t progressives understand? We can’t understand falsehoods — as simple as that.
There’s no such “legal process” for the majority of the world. The Muslim ban is a clear cut case in that regard, but that’s not what I’m referring to.
For someone who is poor in most countries around the world, legally immigrating into the US is simply impossible. Now, this is perfectly fine in a legal sense, but we’re talking about your assertion, which is total BS.
The story about the woman in Phoenix who was torn from her family and deported in the middle of the night last night is heart-wrenching. She immigrated here at 14 and has lived here for 21 years. How can anyone call this humane. And they’re spooling up Arizona detention centers (for-profit). I think Arizona is the pilot project for the nation wide version. In my opinion this is ‘terrorism’ and Trump is legalizing it in the name of homeland security. Evil reigns over the US now. Definition of terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Before you disagree, you put yourself in the shoes of her husband and 2 children and think of how helpless they must have felt, or if you’re a woman, think how she would have felt. And if you have a soul think of ‘There but for the Grace of God, go I’
I’d like to see our laws change to help immigrants legalize their status here and help them become full citizens of this country so they don’t have to live each day in fear or feel like they don’t belong here or suffer any mistreatment at the hands of people who want to take advantage of them. They are welcomed here. They belong here and have a right to be here as much as any and all people who have immigrated here (or whose parents or grand parents from generations before have done). Immigrants add a lot of welcomed diversity and richness to our society; they make us stronger. They are just people that come here because they want a safe place where they can work and take care of their families and they are already contributing to this society. They are not criminals. The laws making them criminals need to be changed; the laws are the problem not these people. I’d like to see the wall separating us from Mexico torn down. We don’t need it at all. We need more compassion and less greed in this country.
Immigrants, LEGAL immigrants who bother to get to the correct offices, get the paperwork done, study and are granted status? Yes, THEY are welcome. My grandparents were naturalized citizens. We’ve worked (construction) with people of all nationalities who worked hard at becoming naturalized citizens in a timely manner.
My husband is a naturalized citizen, at age eight. If a CHILD – who did not speak English before coming to the U.S. – can learn enough to become naturalized, then these ADULTS can as well.
Instead they choose to thumb their noses at us and “hyuck-hyuck”, sneeringly laugh at us – well then, they can go back to their countries of origin until they gain a better attitude and a willingness to do what they have to to become citizens.
What kind of shriveled soul posts something like that? You cannot know any members of the affected peoples; I hope if you did you would not write like that.
Shriveled soul? Mona, I sat across the street from a polling center in Adams-Morgan, Washington, DC and watched hundreds of illegals line up to vote. People with fake SSNs, fake IDs, fake green cards, etc.
I immigrated here, legally, after a 10 year wait.
Get the illegals OUT of this country. There is no excuse.
I guess you haven’t been to any of the illegal alien protests, have you. they don’t just thumb noses and laugh. They give Americans the finger and commit violent acts. Please do try to keep up…
Absolutely correct.
We have illegal immigrants in the United States because of the long waiting lists for legal immigration into the United States. This means that some prospective immigrants have to wait 20 or more years before they can be legally admitted into the United States. Because young people don’t want to wait until they become old people in order to escape danger or improve their lives, they enter the United States illegally. This problem can be expected to become worse in the future because the waiting lists are becoming longer, not shorter, with each passing year.
Namma, Ultra wants you to think if we just adjusted our immigration policy to the right number, all the inconvenience Americans are causing the world by thinking they have the right to decide who may or may not enter would disappear.
Just a wild guess here, but I bet, in Ultra’s world, that adjustment is ALWAYS up. Another wild guess, I’ll bet Ultra is an immigration attorney. I can smell ’em. (Immigration lawyers are at the bottom of a very deep barrel) For an immigration attorney, of course, immigrants are clients, and the needs of the client ALWAYS trump the best interests or desires of the American people. Immigration lawyers are built in traitors, that’s why in forums like this they never admit they are immigration lawyers even as they parrot AILA talking points.
Here is the essence of the immigration lawyer: selling the desirability of the United States as a place to live–a desirability they didn’t create–while destroying that desirability with every dollar’s worth they sell.
While their primary motive is money, of course, more than a few are motivated substantially by the political implications of their work.
Anyway, Namma, ignore Ultra. She is bad for your soul. Just remember this one over-arching important fact:
Let x = 100 million
xxx – population of the United States
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx – population in countries poorer than Mexico
No, that’s not the reason, and I’m always amazed how common these misconceptions are in these types of discussions. Someone poor in most countries couldn’t even get a tourist visa into the US. The visa interviewer would make sure of that. It’s not that there’s a “long queue.” There’s no queue for most people.
A wall is not going to stop illegal immigration. That’s the solution a child would come up with. Reduction of global poverty and inequality should be the actual goal.
Evidently, they are not. The Muslim ban won’t be the first order to make that clear.
Muslims and others need to go home and FIX their countries– what are tjey obsessed about us, go ask China for help. They will andnot bomb and kill you! For real!
To restore Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the US should provide the muslims with the wealth confiscated from the war mongers that “arranged” the destruction of the Middle East countries: Bush, Cheney, Rice, Obama, Clinton and an army of other warmongers and war profiteers including various “think tanks”
I vote yes. And don’t forget Doug Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Eliot Abrams, Scooter Libby
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has just categorically denied a stay to the Trump DoJ to allow the Muslim ban to be enforced pending litigation of the district court’s restraining enforcement of the ban. This is four judges in that circuit who have now weighed in on the ban; two are Democratic appointments, two are Republican.
They’re all Californians.
The 9th Circuit Court has only 3 judges. Two Dems, one Repub. They are also currently the most overturned Appeals Court as they usually get it wrong over 80% of the time. They are categorically 3 horrible judges.
If only the US had deported the Irish in the 1840s and the Italians in 1920s, 75% of the Trump supporting a-holes in the comment sections wouldn’t be here.
Such racism Renato. Why don’t you like white people?
Funny story:
One of the inbred counties in the South, I think it was in Georgia decided about 6 years ago to deport from their country all undocumented immigrants.
Basically what Drumph and his gaggle of necrophiliacs are trying to do right now.
You want to know what the end result was? They tried to reverse it a few years later, but were not able to.
They tried to reverse it and bring back the undocumented (while failing miserably) because the labor force which kept the farms and plantations running in that country vanished overnight, thus causing a MASSIVE shortage of labor for the farmers who could not hire ANYONE in that county for the same wages that they were paying the immigrants.
The country basically went tits up because of their idiotic hatred of the immigrants.
No, that’s not what happened.
I don’t see the problem…nobody here legally will be deported.
If you have a problem with the deportations, too bad.
Also, get this through your thick head…these people being deported are not merely ‘immigrants’ or ‘migrants’ as if they came here using the legal process…they are here ILLEGALLY.
That is like someone driving a car because they bought it, vs. someone driving a car because they stole it. They are not morally equivalent people. You insist they are. Get real!
You really need to amputate the politically-correct part of your brain that causes you to be blind to that truth.
Nothing else matters. You’re here illegally…you gotta go!!!
Okay, so if the effects of these Presidential executive orders are so “grave” for illegal aliens, then they must also be pretty effective. Excellent. One way or another people must realize that federal immigration law is, well, federal immigration law. It’s not some random rule that you kinda, sorta, obey if you feel like it. When you or I are passing through airport customs, we don’t show passports at our convenience. We don’t get a pass if we tell the officer to step aside because we’re seeking a better life not a vacation. It’s the law. And we are to obey it, or turn around. And these laws apply to all of us.
To the bedazzled followers of the Dear Leader…
The court has ruled – the EO remains suspended.
Oh, of course AhmadiTrump has reacted … angrily. Must be fake courts!
Um, you’re referring to the EO regarding a travel restrictions which doesn’t have anything to do with illegal immigration or effect illegal aliens. This will be happening very soon under the direction of the attorney general, Jeff Sessions and the orders mentioned in this article. BTW, ponder this….a conservative Supreme Court for the rest of your life. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The other shoe has not dropped yet. This ‘victory’ is temporary and is likely to be the only kind of victory you guys will ever have. I’m OK with this for now.
If illegal alien/refugee isn’t sponsored with money from an american vouching to look after them then they shouldn’t be in country. Let’s see how many will personaaly put up money?
Right here, shit stain.
I’ve got room for 2. Am willing to house them and provide for their meals until they can find employment.
You on other hand… I wouldn’t piss on you to put you out if you were on fire.
What about homeless veterans? Are you alright with them staying?
What about Americans on SSI?
I’ll put up whatever I can afford. If you actually shared the values that America is supposed to stand for, so would you.
Why do you hate American values, Dj?
We are also a nation of laws. Why do you promote illegal aliens breaking our laws? Not very American of you…
I find it interesting that those who favor restrictive immigration are often ones who appeal to the “Founding Fathers”. In reality, after the US was established, the only restriction was on the importation of slaves. There was not even a requirement to learn English!
Further, when John Adams and Alexander Hamilton wanted to restrict immigration and refugees with the Alien Acts, Jefferson and Madison responded with the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions. That clearly set out the unconstitutionality of the acts and urged states to refuse to endorse them. After Adams was voted out, immigration law returned to the older rules until the post-Civil War restrictions.
Um, in reality it is now 2017. Immigration law has been in constant flux over the decades depending on various circumstances and factors lawmakers take into consideration at the time. Your comment is akin to siting automobile speed limit laws of the 1930’s in relation to modern cars. You seem intelligent. Act like it.
Back then there was not countless social welfare programs that other people were forced to pay for. This means that when people immigrated, they were actually required to support themselves and not just arrive and expect to be taken care of. Hence why we should have a vetting system to ensure those coming are not a leach on society, but are able to contribute.
Thank God for President Trump !
I had many misgiving before I placed my vote with him…..the sole and only reason why I cast that vote was his attitude on immigrant criminals.
For the first time in American history, an elected President is working to swiftly implement his campaign promises.
Thank you, President Trump !
For those of you reading this post, I am not the author. In fact, if I had to guess, it is the work of our resident sock puppet master, Mona – who weeks back, also posted under the name “Karl” just prove to me that it could be done.
This is a perfect example however of the degree to which the likes of Mona will sink when faced with the views of an opponent to which she/they can not muster a cogent response. It is really quite pathetic.
muslins threaten us .. we know this
we must use all the tools in the toolbox, including targeted pre-immigration cultural profiling, to insure sercurity and population integrity for all americans
muslins are fine but must be stopped if they go too far, which they have
the only problem is congress laid down restrictions on what can be used to discriminate against immigrants in 1965, after the 1952 law trump is trying to base this order on. congress needs to change that. trump cannot contradict federal law under any circumstances it wouldn’t matter if he had concrete absolute knowledge that not doing so would result in the death of every single american citizen, he cannot go against it.
Never has a comment so cried out for the heckle “Get new material!”
Good one. ;)
after we bombed and invaded them……
2004 Pentagon-commissioned report specified in listing the causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel”; support for Islamic tyrannies in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia; and, most of all, “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.” The report concluded: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies.” Countless individuals who carried out or plotted attacks on the West have said the same.
Nobody should need official reports or statements from attackers to confirm what common sense makes clear: If you go around the world for years proclaiming yourself “at war,” bombing and occupying and otherwise interfering in numerous countries for your own ends — as the U.S. and U.K. have been doing for decades, long before 9/11 — some of those who identify with your victims will decide — choose — to retaliate with violence of their own. Even Tony Blair’s own Deputy Prime Minister John Prescottacknowledged this self-evident truth in 2015: “When I hear people talking about how people are radicalized, young Muslims — I’ll tell you how they are radicalized. Every time they watch the television where their families are worried, their kids are being killed or murdered and rockets, you know, firing on all these people, that’s what radicalizes them.”
I’ll bet you do not like TRUTH
no doubt our war policies have created a problem, but we must inhibit collateral damage to our breeding stock by limiting muslins as needed
Why is it that the biggest trolls are always the most illiterate?
MusliMs, idiot. Not Muslins.
What? Is the spell check on your computer inbred too?
Obviously to that poster, all such refugees are cut from the same cloth.
Muslin is what their sheets are made of, so they are easily confused.
interesting bag of dog shit. . I do not see the exceptions….with Cubans it was wet foot -dry foot ( if you made it to land you were free or you were returned to Cuba) Asylum but no listing of from where……gang ridden countries? ASYLUM hearing officers?? and no note of legal representation required under our Constitution?? I think if these were fought on a case by case basis it will an cost more admitting them and teaching them to be good citizens…..
it creates enemies- destroys the reputation of our country being LAW & ORDER…….
in order for the thieves of wallstreet and the criminal minded fed – a private printing company established by bribes to the whores of the US congress in 1913 – to continue running their PAWN YOUR FUTURE game on Americans, they need to DOUBLE THE POPULATION EVERY 5 – 10 YEARS.
if you do not understand the mechanics of this wrongful currency scheme then you should not be voting.
You know what’s vicious?
Those Islamic Terrorists that behead Christians, Muslims, Gays, Women and all others that do not BELIEVE in what they believe, speak, act, o r back.
You know kinda like the LIBERALS do verbally in the USA!
My humanitarian plan on illegals would be something like this:
All those caught are to be fingerprinted, DNA’d and photographed.
If they have no ‘documented’ criminal past other than the crime of entering our country without our permission, we deport them immediately.
If they do have a criminal past or found to have returned after being deported, they are sentenced to forced labor, namely building the wall.
Families with children will be allowed to repatriate the first time they are caught, even if one of or both adults have a history on non-violent crimes.
Oh, and the ‘anchor babies’ law needs to be repealed ASAP. There’s no sense or logic in it. It’s just plain stupid to declare someone a US citizen simply because the pregnant person exercised her freedom to choose by crossing into our country for the purpose of giving birth.
But all of the above should be largely unnecessary if ‘part B’ of my comprehensive plan is adopted which is something like this:
Anyone caught employing illegals is to be fined an amount to equal 50% of that person’s gross income from the previous year. Same applies if the guilty party is a corporation. By the way, it should not be difficult to determine one’s legal status. In face, employers could follow the exact same process gun dealers do before selling a gun to a citizen.
No illegal can legally own property, rent or buy any insurance.
Anyone caught overstaying their tourist or work visa who can’t provide a reasonable explanation is to be deported immediately at their own expense and banned from reentering the US for 50 years.
All guest workers visas to be issued for no longer than 1 year and no foreigner will be allowed more than one 1-year work visa per decade.
This is only the first draft so there’s plenty of room for improvement. I am thinking of doing someone about the refugees too. Because it’s ridiculous to see how most of those ‘fleeing’ the violence in being ‘young men with beards’. Seriously, are we to believe that THIS is the segment of the population that scares most easily. And are we to accept that they are fleeing in panic, leaving their unprotected mothers, sisters and concubines to the tender mercies of Assad and Putin?
Although I no longer evaluate mental disorders for Social Security Disability, I do know that there are some psychotropics that may control your delusions of grandeur.
Just curious if you are an American citizen and how you became one.
people who risked their lives to get here – – turned away – – rather than utilize them as an asset….
Small minded people lead to a small country – – with many more enemies than friends…..
No Man is an island….No Man can serve two masters…. love / hate
too much bigotry – too much greed…..too much ignorance
Some heroes risk their lives to rob a bank or to rape a fair American maiden.
Are we to celebrate them? The correct answer is: it depends. Assuming that you’re an American and therefore ‘free’, go ahead, admire and worship all rapists, burglars and drunk drivers who risk their lives while in pursuit of their personal happiness.
too much alcohol?
Oh no! The horror of being asked to actually follow the law! Both illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities are breaking laws. If you don’t like the laws, work to get them repealed, but don’t whine and cry about it and think you should be exempt because you protest loudly enough.
As for people who say that the illegals do work Americans won’t do? BS. There are things called work visas for those who FOLLOW THE RULES. And also how many young unemployed people do we have in this country? I worked in crappy jobs as a teenager and I was overjoyed to have a job and the money that came with it. Just because you raised your kid as a snowflake doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of young people that would love to have any sort of job.
Stop excusing criminals who broke the law in coming here either with no papers at all or with a temporary visa and staying for years. Why do you think Identity theft is so prevalent? One reason is that illegals use your info to get jobs using your identity.
There’s more insanity than usual in this thread.
Asylum seekers should not be detained. It’s very simple. Seeking asylum is not a crime. If asylum is denied, at that point the asylum seekers should be asked to leave by a certain date. That would be the humane way to handle things.
Now, the counter-argument is probably that the asylum seekers will stay illegally. If they wanted to be undocumented immigrants, they wouldn’t be seeking asylum, first of all. By seeking asylum, they are exposing themselves to the system. But even if they are OK with being illegal and are desperate enough, what do you think they’ll do after being deported? They got into the US once.
Hey people, checkout the pathological lying media! They still think we believe them!! They need help.
You people that support the idea of sending back 11 million people to Mexico forget a small things that the jobs they do are not ones that Americans will take
Are you willing to uproot your family in order to work in the fields when it is 90+ . Without them the price of produce will soar 20-30% and that is if you can find them. How many are dreamers that have gone to college? How many Americans that are seeking any means possible to kick them out has a college degree and again willing to move? What white Americans need to understand that you need schooling to work in this new working world in America. No longer can a person with an 8th grade education can get a good paying union job in a factory. All too many of you people sit home and whine about the world, people and anything else but yourself about your situation in life. Piss poor schooling and roads are not places that big business are looking to put down a factory.
First, the official number of illegals in 1998 was 12 million, and was suspect then. Twenty years later, we have a million fewer. Discredited.
Second, between 1925 -1965 we had virtually no immigration, and we built the world’s greatest economy while somehow simultaneously managing to get our strawberries picked. We can run a country without importing cheaper humans to do the dirty work. Americans will pick strawberries if they are paid an American wage. The way it is now, cheap labor junkies import cheap labor, privatize the profits, then dump the health care, education, etc. costs on the very people whose wages have been undercut by the cheap labor.
Third, the amount of field labor cost in the price of a head of lettuce in the supermarket is about five cents. We could quadruple the wages in the field and Americans would line up around the block to take a low-skill job that paid $20 / hour and the price of lettuce would go up a big fifteen cents. Your 20-30% assertion is nonsense.
Fourth, be careful about expressing concern for the plight of white Americans here. There is a person here named Dougmona who will shriek insults at you whenever you enter the room.
Seriously? Have you seen ‘homeless’, ever? Been to an unemployment center?
Anyways, the reason many labor-intensive activities are currently performed by illegals is because it’s CHEAPER to exploit these poor souls then to develop and acquire the machines that would perform it without the need of sending thousands of humans out in the dirt. Think robotics and, I can guarantee you, the moment the illegals are thrown out, all kinds of machinery will be developed to efficiently pick strawberries and apples and to skin and dismember cow carcases. It’s not that hard. We already have robotic vacuum cleaners and lawn mowers in this country. And Japan, rather than import Indonesian care nurses are increasingly using robots to care for the elderly.
ok here it is man should fight for country
Why is it so hard for the liberals to understand the facts?
1. The key word in all of this is “illegal” not once has there been any action to prevent any “legal” immigrant from coming to the US. Not one!
2. These now foaming at the mouth cry babies had EIGHT YEARS to fix all their pet issues. So what did they do? NOTHING.
3. The US Constitution does not protect non-citizens and does not advocate any illegal actions against it and the nation it represents.
4. Illegal aliens along with the vast majority of legal aliens come here to attain the American Dream and make money. If this weren’t so then why aren’t they returning when the ‘danger’ is over in their countries?
5. The writer of this article and all liberals are nothing more than HYPOCRITES. They demand ‘America’ not build a wall on it’s internationally recognized borders and that ‘America’ pay for any and all failures of the liberal class social agendas. Yet they have locks and walls protecting their families and wealth. There aren’t any poor destitute people living on their property and sharing food at the dinner table. So put up or shut up.
Yes, it’s liberals who don’t understand immigration and the incalculable value of our undocumented citizens: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Except for the Muslim ban and some other orders Trump has in store.
Wrong.
They may believe that (because they hear the propaganda mostly) and to some extent it’s true: Social mobility in the US is better than that of the third world, but it’s nowhere near that of most developed countries.
Yeah. Walls around homes are obviously different to walls around countries. For one, the latter don’t exist.
It does not grant civil rights to foreigners, A Chinese guy in China won’t get very far if he criticizes the Party then, at his trial, invokes our First Amendment.
Probably due to the fact the competition is so fierce. We are flooded with low skill aliens. Bringing in more will make it harder for everyone but the very rich to achieve the American Dream.
cf. Israel
What ignorant and despicable horseshit.
Civil rights are for everyone in the US, including citizens, permanent residents, visitors — everyone.
The only rights reserved to citizens are voting and, to some extent, other participation in government. Non-residents may also not be accorded the same right to bear arms as citizens and permanent residents.
In virtually every other respect, every human in the country is subject to the rights protected by the Constitution. Notice that I say “protected by” rather than “granted by.” That’s because the Framers envisioned these rights as being part of the natural order of things — possessed by all — and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as enshrining them.
Wish I could upvote. Anyone who tries to claim that the Constitution doesn’t protect the rights of noncitizens clearly doesn’t know a d*mn thing about the Constitution – and for my money, THESE are the people who need to be deported. I don’t care where you put them. I hear there is some prime real estate next to the poles; it might give them a preemptive respite before the fate they’ll meet after they’re dead.
So dishonest. Sneaky. Manipulative. Subversive. Conniving.
A Syrian cannot go to the US embassy in Damascus and claim a right under the US Constitution, Mona.
Are you really going to challenge that point? I think it’s silly to even respond. There’s substantial case law on that. Constitutional protections apply to everyone inside the territory of the US (and it should be like that in every country for obvious reasons.) I’d go further: A government shouldn’t be able to get around that by taking someone out of the country (e.g. flying them in a chopper out to sea and dropping them in the ocean, then claiming “the constitution doesn’t apply there.”)
Clearly NOT a Muslim ban. More MSNBC fake news. You’re starting to believe your own propaganda, Lefties. If you know ANYTHING about the T-7 countries (identified by Obama by the way), you would know it is not a Muslim ban.
The semantics police has arrived. Next you’ll inform us that Islam is not a race and that the US is a republic, not a democracy. Useful stuff.
1. the travel ban is preventing the entry of people with already isssued visas and green cards. some of whom were long term residents of the us for decades and went on vacation
2. it would have required congress to help and the only time they might have very little got done as we hold the filibuster in high regard and refused to entirely eliminate it.
3. actually the courts have ruled non-citizens do have varying degrees of rights under the constitution and as marshall wasn’t arrested the first time he used the ridiculous notion of judicial review which the judiciary was never meant to have there are no checks whatsoever on the power of the supreme court.
4. agreed
5. my family did hostforeign children and we often allowed children of people in the neighborhood who lost their homes, mostly illegal immigrants, to stay with us for a few weeks while the parents found new accommodations. i haven’t as i live in a 1 bedroom apartment but your brush paints a bit wide
Fail to understand: Why is Deporting illegal immigrants who may have committed crime and can pose a risk wrong? They may have American children, so what? I’m not an American Citizen either but find it strange that illegal immigration is finding support! Support people who come in legally and do legal jobs and contribute to US economy.
Glad we are sending free-loaders away to make room for immigrants that know how to plan, organize and will be future leaders in our country. I know immigrants that are hard working and followed the law to get here. Let’s reward them, not the criminals.
https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization/guide-naturalization
Kick all the moochers asses back to their own country. Im tired of paying their way. 40 cents on every dollar I earn goes to them and the little cry baby kids we are raising these days. FREE FREE FREE…..not anymore!
OK here it is. Men should fight for there family’s freedom in there own country! Not be aloud to be cowards and be protected in the states. Our Family’s sacrificed there lives for freedom, not to protect cowards! Grow up and be a man maybe your siblings will learn something.
Do you think Jews should not have fled Nazi Germany in WWII too?
From a position of relative safety, I’m not sure how you can pass judgement on what others should or should not do.
Most immigrants were fleeing their country to escape war. ARE YOU CALLING OUR FOUNDING FATHERS COWARDS???
Shame on your narow perspective.
Did you ever take any class on American History? Where you awake??
Don’t you think “grave implications” is a bit overboard?
Doug Salzmann/mona arguing to amnesty illegal aliens
Let x = 100 million
xxx – US population
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx – population living in countries poorer than Mexico
How much of that cheap compassion you got there, Mr. Salzmann?
Btw, I take it you refuse to debate me on your assertion that Trump’s temporary ban on certain refugees is unconstitutional. I proved you wrong, and you ran away, lacking the character to admit you were wrong, preferring instead to leave your error standing unacknowledged. Weak.
Craig…don’t ever try to reason with those two. It will get nasty very quick..usually within one comment after your initial post. Those two are like heroin addicts..they need to post here to get their daily fix of moral superiority or whatever their trip is. Good luck.
I’m beginning to see that. Wouldn’t it be sad if Mona and Doug were the same person?
If true, we can call he/she Sybil. (It was a 70’s movie if you don’t get it!)
Hardly. What happened is that we told you that you had revealed yourself too ignorant of both law and simple civics to waste time and energy debating.
Did we also tell you that we’re disinclined to give too much attention, or, certainly serious consideration, to white supremacist assholes? Well, we are.
Heh..just got your daily shot in your veins Dougie Poo…bet it feels good doesn’t it!
Which policy does Doug Salzmann claim is unconstitutional?
A. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Cubans. (1966)
B. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Irish. (1986)
C. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Jews. (1989)
D. US immigration policy discriminates against Orthodox Russians. (1989)
E. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Vietnamese. (1975)
F. US immigration policy discriminates against Syrian Muslims. (2017)
If you answered (F) you are correct. For a detailed defense, see (C).
Can you guess which policy Mr. Salzmann claims is unconstitutional?
A. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Cubans. (1966)
B. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Irish. (1986)
C. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Jews. (1989)
D. US immigration policy discriminates against Orthodox Russians. (1989)
E. US immigration policy discriminates in favor of Vietnamese. (1975)
F. US immigration policy discriminates against Syrian Muslims. (2017)
If you answered (F) you are correct. For a detailed defense, see (C).
no need to debate … the courts will get to decide if the US constitution applies to citizens of yemen
in other words … if the executive can order targeted drone assasinations, can’t he also order targeted exclusion of immigrants?
The two actions are legally unrelated.
The president can certainly order targeted exclusion of immigrants. He cannot, however, order a blanket exclusion of immigrants based upon nationality and he cannot disfavor (or favor) immigrants based upon their religion.
The bedazzled followers of the Dear Leader, AhmadiTrump, are incapable of following reason.
One of the bedazzled here is clueless about the legal notion of discrimination – he thinks it is the same thing as being discriminating about ice cream. The more you give them evidence that they are in the wrong, the more they will harden their views – state of bedazzlement!
it isn’t a blanket exclusion … it’s targeted towards certain religions within certain nations, based on intelligence assessments of risk
the same assessments obama used to target muslims for assassination … under trump the targeting is broader, but it’s not a blanket exclusion
Unconstitutional. See the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment (I don’t have to help you find that, right?).
Illegal. See 8 USC §1152
this is an executive ban on entry to our country, discrimination in visa issuance doesn’t even come up because these people are denied status as immigrants
this is not discrimination re establishment of religion in the US, rather it’s a targeted ban on individuals, using religious metrics, for national security interests … on the prerogative of the executive
the two actions are legally unrelated
the difference is congress never explicitly said that drone killing couldn’t discriminate based on nationality. on immigration they did
Ah, you want to talk a compassionate law. Well, how about giving native Palestinians the right of return, instead of allowing the economic migrants from the former Soviet Union to annex the natives’ land?
How about a universal healthcare system in the US? – no? Obama certainly had a better solution.. for the Insurance & Pharma racketeers. How about extrajudicial killings by the peace laureate? – Oh no, the compassionate pro-illegals do not want to talk Constitution when this does not fit their agenda. Same as pink-pussies that have a severe cognitive deficit including the retrograde amnesia re Obama’s crimes against humanity in the muslim lands. Torture, humanitarian interventions (slaughter of civilian population), black sites, enormous money for Wall Street (and no prison for the criminal banksters) … No, no, Mona and Salzmann are not interested in this stuff; they want to look and sound “compassionate” and “moral”
Unless someone is realistically proposing that a billion poor people be allowed into the US, your argument is crap and addresses nothing.
He’s just using the population argument as a cover for racism, xenophobia and antisemitism.
If you check the rest of his posts since he arrived here a couple of days ago, you’ll see that this is a pattern and practice he developed years ago, when he was organizing anti-immigrant billboard campaigns.
As he is pushed and challenged, his facade of reason crumbles and the Real Craig becomes apparent. For instance, below in this thread:
We have, here, another example of an antisemite who admires the apartheid regime in Israel — bizarre, but not that uncommon.
The point is, Jose, that, as adults, when people start throwing around hoary abstractions like “nation of immigrants”, “American Dream”, “compassion” as arguments for letting foreigners move here, we need to ask “until when”? Compassion for 5.6 billion people living in countries poorer than Mexico? It would be the height of folly and utterly destroy the country. Perhaps that’s why Dougmona seems so attached to the idea.
The problem is that you’re arguing against an “open borders” argument that no one is making. Countries can have any immigration policy they’d like. But immigrants and asylum seekers shouldn’t be treated like criminals.
Ummmm, it’s a small thing. But in mathematical expressions…you would generally state the following:
If X = 100Million, then your next statement would actually be 3X- US Population. So, you math arguments are least just as wrong the other aspects of your arguments. But I guess you didn’t pass your math class, did you?
How’s your English going? Let’s see:
Well, you got issues here as well. I think it’s better stated that Doug/Mona argue to give amnesty to illegal aliens.
Well, I guess you get an F there as well. My guess is that you flunked history and a few other classes as well, huh? Well, keep on trying.
I should probably ignore this for its snottiness alone, but I wrote out the x’s to make the visual point about the scale we are talking about here. Frankly, I don’t even know what you are trying to argue there. As for the English, amnesty can be used as either a noun or a verb. There is a word for that, can’t remember what it is–like a gerund, but not that. As for history, I did well because I love it, particularly contemporaneous histories like Polybius, Herodotus and, though not contemporaneous, Gibbons. Gibbons’ Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is some of the most beautiful English ever written and a towering achievement. (Were you aware the DECLINE of Rome lasted 1200 years? Amazing, huh? We won’t make it to the Tricentennial, but we’re so special. The main thing I got from history was the epiphany one day, Hey, we’re not so bad after all. Who taught us to hate ourselves?
Actually, I prefer Tacitus to Herodotus.
Yet, you run around on all the articles for the last few days calling people Jew Lawyers and other vile crap and demanding silly debates. Wow, you’re too obtuse to your own problems.
Math isn’t really a ‘visual’ thing…..it’s a logical statement (expression) or construct. FYI, 3X to mean 300 million is a scale and is understood by most people.
Here, try dictionary.com. Perhaps you can find the proper verb you’re searching for.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/amnesty?s=t
xxx as a string concat is machine-readable so i have no problem with it
Section 212(f) of the INA
The provisions currently in Section 212(f)—which have been part of the INA since its enactment in 19525—state, in relevant part, that
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R44743.pdf
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
american deep state globalists need “specials” from all foreign countries for their US “specialocracy” (california)
plus ordinaries to drive down labor costs .. so they are of course against limiting immigration
https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/30/whats-the-end-game-hype-and-hysteria-surrounding-the-muslim-ban/
“.. When Obama was ordering the extra-judicial assassination of Muslims in a swathe of overseas countries, there were no comparable demonstrations and the media/Hollywood axis didn’t condemn their beloved and iconic liberal President, Obama full of grace, for his actions. Apparently a campaign of mass murder, when ordered by someone who’s ‘cool’, can pass with barely a protest, whilst a mere travel ban is roundly condemned as a policy worthy of Hitler… go figure!’
liberal america accepts the necessity of killing enemies (“regrettably”, as HRC would say)
immigrants are a different matter, these are all potential recipients of free urban transit passes and thus are all potential democratic voters
The fact that Obama’s dazzling charisma fooled a lot of people into quiescence doesn’t make Trump’s continuation (and worsening) of the establishment’s horrors excusable. Nor does the hypocrisy of the left make Trump any less of a problem.
The post was about the deafening noise from the progressives re Trump’s attempts to solve a problem of illegals as compared to the deafening silence of the progressives re Obama’ crimes against humanity. Do you see the difference in scale? Who cares about the toxic (and PC-colored) puppet with charms? – The progressives have allowed Obama to betray the US constitution and US citizenry at large (more illegal wars, no universal healthcare for the US, enormous money for Wall Street, continuation of tortures, no persecution of financial and was criminals…) And now the same spineless bunch lectures the country on morality and compassion, while dressed in obscene pink-pussy hats. Shockingly, the progressives worship Obama. Time to bring them to their senses.
The fourth estate today, is the fifth column. From an evolutionary perspective, the civilization that is incapable of countering its saboteurs, does not deserve to survive. If we fail to give the leftist mainstream media what they deserve for their subversion through the abuse of freedom, we will have proven that our civilization is not fit for survival.
The most insightful post I’ve read in a while.
As Obama was similarly heartless, the titular left has no real moral high ground – but it is troubling that the right is not even pretending to find these decisions difficult at all, taking such a pride in a lack of empathy that the culture itself is unapologetically sociopathic.
Even though Obama was a dreadful hypocrite, he knew better than to present America as grossly immoral and proud of it – in fact, even George W. Bush knew this.
Trump’s “right” seems convinced they are projecting strength, which implies an astonishing lack of self-awareness. Democrats’ highly inappropriate smug superiority is of little help, of course, since they lack real self-examination.
The entire mainstream culture is behaving with a phoniness and shallowness that can’t be good; genuine voices of honesty and sincerity are being lost in the whirlwind maelstrom of tribal self-aggrandizement.
FYI maisie…
The extreme vetting purpose is a MASSIVE, INDIRECT attack against the Clinton Foundation.
CF is actually the global monopoly syndicate to monopolize the revived 21st century slave trade.
Clinton will never tell you that.
I’m deeply outraged that you think that horrid woman confides in me at all.
[[[ I’m deeply outraged that you think that horrid woman confides in me at all. ]]]
I never implied any such thing.
I merely cite Hillary’s public defense of the “wonderful things” the CF does during her election campaign.
The CF is literally a “dues-paying country club” of 21st Century Slave Traffickers.
“…genuine voices of honesty and sincerity are being lost in the whirlwind maelstrom of tribal self-aggrandizement.”
Speaking of – thanks for showing your face around these parts again…
You’re very kind – I appreciate that ever so much.
I hope you’ve noticed that you’re getting universal warm fuzzies from all the best people around here. ;^)
I admit to wide-eyed blushing at the compliments from such quarters.
This culture of sociopathic self-aggrandizing ego worship has always been the culture of “modern civil society”. If you study history the patterns become painfully evident. This is the story our modern civil people, the descendents of the agricultural revolution, WANT to tell. The generals, kings, royals, businessmen, soldiers, and the like are the people to be admired and emulated while compassionate kind people are thrown away as weak. These bullies, sociopathes, psychopathes, whatever you want to call them, decided a long time ago that this planet belongs to them because they were told by God it is theirs. It’s the same story being told today. Ego driven people claiming they’re doing God’s will through subjugation and enslavement. Every political and religious ideology boils down to that fact: we will reign supreme because God is on our side.
The few humans who have been brave enough to speak the truth and try to rally people were brutally assissinated, or they’re written off as insane fools to be ignored. It’s really not surprising there are no real leaders echoing the messages of love and awareness anymore. Those ideas are dangerous to the state and will be destroyed.
That’s why I say enjoy the ride on the downward spiral. There’s no turning back for society, but at least you can find your own happiness.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I believe the hunger in the culture for authenticity is still very real and intense – even though it’s been greatly hidden by the establishment and subdued by various disappointments (from Obama’s fakery to the defeat of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein) – and I think it could surface again quite volcanically.
If the sincere people could themselves follow Snowden’s advice (“If we want a better world…we should build it ourselves”) and embody the passion of goodness and liberty for which they crave, rather than strive for strong leaders to do it for them, a different kind of paradigm might emerge. I agree we should find our own happiness, but I honestly can’t be fully happy unless those around me and even across the world are well-treated and part of a sensible community that lifts all boats,
I think the time for JUST politics may be over, and that the dawn of a greater consciousness is needed. I’m in my twenties, but it seems to me looking back into history that the 60s and even the so-called ‘New Age’ movement (up to and including Eckhart Tolle,whom I believe you’ve mentioned) speak of an as-yet unfulfilled promise of the human psyche – a philosophical approach that encompasses but can not be reduced to politics, something that the State will never be able to contain. I’m not religious at all, but I believe in social uplift by cultural enchantment – which can sometimes come from surprising directions.
I certainly hope so. I truly do. I’m in my 30’s and I felt the same as you in my 20’s. I agree if people decide to create a better world for themselves and their neighbors then perhaps we have a chance. I’m all for the evolution of ideas and a return to self-awareness.
A book you may find interesting is Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. I recommend the entire trilogy if you have the time. The first book, Ishmael, is an amazing read. It really put things into perspective for me.
It was one of those books where I felt, “Wow, I’m not crazy afterall. There are people who think like me.” Hopefully that awakening is happening. Time will tell.
All the best.
“and I think [ the hunger in the culture for authenticity] could surface again quite volcanically.”
I think you’re right. Since the DNC debacle and Trumps inauguration, I’ve been examining what happened and asking where do we go from here.
As a perennial cynic, I shun the more grandiose plans to change things. That said, not recognizing that this era is different from previous election cycles, in that more folks spent more time and money on a non-Democrat than ever before and saw success beyond what anyone hoped for, is something not to squander.
If Bernie decided, right now, to form a separate party, I think we’d be able to pull it off in time for it to be viable in the upcoming elections – local, state, and federal. At least it would make it a party of choice, and no a party of “we’ve got nothing better…”
I’m beyond not rich, but I’d put money into that effort.
An encouraging sign, even for an old cynic: The town hall reaction to a GOP House Representative to Trump’s recent actions. There are multiple videos in the thread.
Clinton was (and is) the darling of ziocons. The “progressives” are converging with Cheneyists. Truly amusing. Do the “progressives” have any courage – or simply enough attention span – to check the immigration records as well as the warmongering records of the criminal Obama administration?
https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/30/whats-the-end-game-hype-and-hysteria-surrounding-the-muslim-ban/
“Actors are making speeches at the SAG awards, and earnest navel-gazing columnists are writing about how this travel ban clashes with “British values”. There’s a petition to ban Trump from entering the UK with over a million signatures already… John Harris, in the Guardian, even manages to make this all about Brexit… In a Guardian opinion piece, Jack Straw – a man currently under investigation for permitting the use of torture – is allowed valuable column inches to moralize. He quotes Dick Cheney on “American values”. He compares Donald Trump unfavourably with George W Bush.”
Here we are, the despicable Jack Straw has recognized the value of the hapless “progressives” who are so easy to manipulate with the right choice of words. Never mind that their colored toxic charmer is guilty of murder of millions of people and destruction of two countries. The progressives still like him because he is a “minority” and “constitutional scholar” – the tortures, extrajudicial killings, and the racket of “affordable health care” that was written by insurers and for insurers and Big Pharma are of no consequence because Obama is “hope & change.”
The ziocons join their efforts with MIC and the presstituting MSM and – voila – the “progressives” suffer an instant amnesia about the wars in the Middle East, the Wall Street heist, the ignominy of Monsanto, the neo-Nazis in Kiev, and many other amazing achievements of the Obama era.
If you’re declaring that Republicans (including Trump) and Democrats are equally evil servants of a far-reaching Deep State or corrupt elite that gets its selfish way regardless of the tribalist theater it finances and brainwashes the public into engaging (or ignoring apathetically)… good point!
immigrants are welcome … “here”
that’s great, the keyboard class salutes you
If Federal and Local authorities and their respective politicians had been enforcing our laws the past 8 years, this would not be happening now.
Democrats were in control and did nothing about our immigration policy or protecting our countries borders. But now we have a President enforcing the law and it is an out rage? Naturally the media has an ax to grind, so they report what they want us to read and see. Sounds like they are acting like media over in Russia, doesn’t it?
Oh my gawd! Enforcement of the law is soooo vicious! I’m wee-weeing in my progressive little panties. Big bad Trump is gunna kill all of us helpless women, minorities and Muslims. Please Liz Warren, help us. You’re our only hope.
GOOD!
Democrats are running the modern Tammany Hall (Boss Tweed) to bolster their ranks.
Kill Boss Tweed.
Democrats like undocumented immigrants cuz they supply a never-ending supply willing sex slaves who will vote for them.
As a first generation immigrant and naturalized U.S. citizen who did not vote for Trump, I (and many immigrants like me who arrived at the country legally and worked our way to go through the process to become citizens) wholeheartedly support his executive orders to enforce our immigration law. People and the sanctuary cities who protest his immigration policies perhaps look at all immigrants the same, legal or illegal. But the misplaced liberal compassion is harmful and unfair to our country, to the citizens and millions of law abiding immigrants.
What’s “unfair” about compassion?
Fairness is not designed for criminals or cowards! If you are not a LEGAL citizen you are here violating laws set in place to secure the rights and safety of those that are law abiding. Breaking the law does not come with reward. Do you scrutinize the people you allow into your home or do you just leave your doors and windows open for anyone who would take advantage? And if your bleeding heart feels they are fleeing horrible conditions caused by the government or drug cartels consider the fact we run a country founded on the idea that we dont run from tyranny or oppression, we fight it and overcome. If your willing to give up that concept by indoctrinating cowards fleeing their fight then leave the US and go to Mexico where they surely have the same “FAIR” compassion for those illegally entering THEIR sovereign nation, we dont want you.
I would say that it is you and your fellow hysterical, anti-immigrant ranters who are cowards — and selfish jerks.
Sadly, for you, here I am. Whether you like it or not.
That’s a pretty funny comment. Flag waving patriotism at its best. Fight and overcome tyranny? The US was built on the backs of slaves and the land was taken from the native peoples in a brutal campaign of genocide. Biological warfare, insurgent terrorist tactics to fight their “oppressors”, internment camps for ethnic relations, racial segregation and enslavement, jailing of political dissidents, spying on their own people, nuclear proliferation and intimidation tactics, economic tyranny, I could go on.
You just like YOUR form of tyranny because you’re part of the privileged people of that regime. That’s all.
Your tune will likely change once you get oppressed.
I have a minor Q for you: Would you prefer to live among people that respect a rule of law?
The legal immigrants had filled necessary paperwork and then waited for an answer from an administration of another country. But other immigrants had different idea. Would you personally approve the arrival of some million or two sub-Saharan Africans to the US because this would be compassionate?
Actually, Anna…. yes. Yes, I would.
Tell me… when is the last time some immigrant from “sub-Saharan Africa” committed a crime that you’re aware of? A terrorist act? ANYTHING?
Or is your question meant to see if Doug is as racist as you apparently are?
I don’t care where they come from… anyone who believes in the promise of a better life here (a promise enshrined in our Statue of Liberty), deserves a chance.
It’s one thing if they DO screw up and become lawbreakers. If Drumpster’s order ONLY targeted those who had been convicted of a crime here – as Obama’s did – I would not complain.
But this current set of orders goes too far in almost every way, as the many voices of law enforcement around the country stated in the article. It terrorizes people who did nothing wrong since coming here for NO reason. It also terrifies many legal immigrants who may “look” like the kind that normally don’t have papers, and are therefore likely to be profiled on a regular basis – possibly held in detention for days or even weeks until their legal status can be verified.
This is a recipe for chaos… and quite frankly, when people are terrified, they are going to seek to protect themselves. Which means that this order is highly likely to get cops killed as well.
Is THAT what you want?
PS – in my reply to you above, Anna, I was referring to your last question re admitting a million or more “sub-Saharan Africans” to the US.
I can see no possible reason for you to choose this particular group for your example except the fact that they are black… which makes it a racist question. But hey, if you’re so afraid of adding a million or more black people to America… oh well, so sad, too bad. That’s going to happen regardless of any immigrant bans…
You may as well get used to the idea that “white America” is becoming the minority. I know it’s scary, and uncomfortable… but it’s a fact, so get used to it.
But don’t worry… as someone who has many friends of all different colors, ethnicities, orientations, etc. , I have it on good authority that they are NOT planning to treat us as poorly as we’ve treated them. ;)
While you are whistling past the graveyard, the Weinstein brothers are working to ensure that not only will whites become a minority, but we’ll be a hated minority as well. Thanks, Hollywood!
(btw, don’t dismiss a question because it’s “racist”. You instantly discredit yourself as a serious thinker)
(btw2, it is not inevitable whites will become a minority in the US. Jews in Israel were becoming a minority, and they took firm steps to reverse the trend, which worked. So it can be done. Oddly, the most difficult obstacle to doing that here is Jews in the United States. We should learn from the Jews.)
Perhaps you need to learn about the current situation with economic migrants from the sub-Saharan Africa in Europe, specifically about their behavior there (like clever fleecing the EU system.) You may also want to check scientific publications on academic achievements of sub-Saharans.
“…which means that this order is highly likely to get cops killed as well.” – And this is a blackmail.
“I have it on good authority that they are NOT planning to treat us as poorly as we’ve treated them.” – Who are these “they?” – Your relatives from Africa? Don’t even try to play your PC card. The US had had enough already of Jewish victimhood and the “hope and change” fraud.
“…adding a million or more black people to America… That’s going to happen regardless of any immigrant bans…” – Well, when your dreams become true and this country will not be able to maintain law & order, then, most likely, “yours” would not want to move here anymore, because the law-abiding and intelligent people (who are a backbone of any functioning society) would prefer to relocate to somewhere else.
Here is an explanation to the European and American prosperity: hard work by the highly disciplined and intelligent people. Keywords: hard work, highly disciplined, highly intelligent.
Compassion is not part of the process to becoming a US citizen. It’s also a slap in the face to every immigrant who came here and went thru the process legally. Want ot come to America? Fine. But stand in line and hurry up and wait.
Trump’s order, if fully implemented, would closely resemble a police state.
we have been told time and time again that the nsa, obama, bush, tsa have made america “closely resemble a police state”
chicken little and all that
If it gets rid of spics… and muzzards…. bring it on
Legal immigrants are welcome
Illegal immigrants are not welcome
It may surprise you, but compassion is actually hard to turn on and off at will.
That’s true. This is why we have rule of law for clarification. And just to make the point clear – particularly in response to your alarm that we are going to arrive to a police state, as if Obama did not deliver us there a;ready – here is a nice outline for the righteous demonstrating progressives:” “.. When Obama was ordering the extra-judicial assassination of Muslims in a swathe of overseas countries, there were no comparable demonstrations and the media/Hollywood axis didn’t condemn their beloved and iconic liberal President, Obama full of grace, for his actions. Apparently a campaign of mass murder, when ordered by someone who’s ‘cool’, can pass with barely a protest, whilst a mere travel ban is roundly condemned as a policy worthy of Hitler… go figure!”
https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/30/whats-the-end-game-hype-and-hysteria-surrounding-the-muslim-ban/
It was Mona who said “Trump’s order, if fully implemented, would closely resemble a police state,” not me. I wouldn’t have been so reserved; indeed I agree with you that – in a general sense but particularly for minorities – the USA already is one. And Trump, as Mona indicates, seems determined to firmly entrench and worsen this.
An observation that is especially relevant, given the outpouring of hateful tribalism, below:
Yes, it’s easy for me to have disdain for Trump, but he’s a mere surrogate for the millions of Americans that are of the fifty shades of extreme, and that’s the fear.
Thanks for this, Doug. Matt’s a national treasure, IMO.
Hahaha, a quote from Rolling Stone bemoaning the death of “truth”. Paging Ms. Rubin-Ederly, lol.
Ha! Ha! Ha! You rag magazines slay me.
If only it were true. . .
We need to stop a illegal imagration NOW!!!!
Please learn to spell correctly those things you are trying to stop…could end-up with a fatality on your hands.
Why is it that commenters who criticize the spelling, punctuation, or grammar of others always have a spelling, punctuation, or grammar error in their posts? Is it because they are insecure in their own shortcomings and subconsciously project them by attacking their manifestation in others?
If you end up learning that end up is not hyphenated, then today wasn’t a total waste, friend. Be kind.
I hope people remember what an incredible disaster this was when the Wyatt Detention Center in Central Falls, RI was an immigration way station. Wyatt was a for-profit prison and the owners conned the city into allowing construction by telling the they would have a share in the profits. After expenses, including the warden’s $500k+ salary, there were no profits and the City received very little compensation. Then residents of Central Falls started disappearing. They mysteriously ended up inside Wyatt. The nightmare finally ended when a prisoner died from being denied medical treatment.
The United States is now a pariah nation. Even Europe now questions its alliance with the U.S. and is beginning to see to its own security. The U.S. will end up only allied to Saudi Arabia and Israel, and that’s a weird combination if ever I heard of one.
Saudi Arabia and Israel have been our most intimate bedfellows for many decades. It only seems odd to outsiders.
It is hard to believe than an Executive Order to essentially enforce the law can generate such angst for the Left. It is beginning to like the rule of law in anathema to the leftists.
While i completely disagree with the presidents Executive orders, publishing inaccurate info only helps those that support Trump.
The first EO was “Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal”
Nice ninga edit.
But at least it is corect now.
That’s “ninja,” and it’s an inaccurate description of the correction:
Love that unbiased headline!
OK, have it your way:
“Bannon Administration Prepares to Execute ‘Vicious’ and ‘Cruel’ Executive Order on Deportations”
Please kindly tell me what is Vicious and Cruel about the President of the United States executing his constitutional duty directing law enforcement officials to enforce the standing laws of this country passed by Congress?
Libs just can’t seem to grasp the concept of “Rule of law”. If you don’t like the law then get it changed if you can but you have no right to selectively ignore laws that don’t suit you anymore than I have.
Harry, all you need to do is read the REAL news about Trump’s immigration ban…specially the part where two judges have rejected the ban. Your “Rule of law” seems illegal. Sorry.
Please kindly tell me what is Vicious and Cruel about the President of the United States executing his constitutional duty directing law enforcement officials to enforce the standing laws of this country passed by Congress?
Libs just can’t seem to grasp the concept of “Rule of law”. If you don’t like the law then get it changed if you can but you have no right to selectively ignore laws that don’t suit you anymore than I have.
As do I. This site is (in general) proudly biased in favor of truth and justice, the main reason I like it.
I would have chosen “A Firebell in the Night,” but maybe the situation isn’t dire enough yet to be borrowing a line from Thomas Jefferson.
“Eloy has been called the “deadliest immigration detention center in the nation”
Pretty interesting factoid to introduce without context. I guess it would still be the “deadliest” if one person had died there in the last twenty years and none had died in other facilities.
Probably thought you were clever and could do your own search.
“A Guatemalan woman is the 15th from the facility to die since 2003, the highest among detention centers in the nation, according to a Republic investigation.”
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2016/11/28/another-death-eloy-migrant-detention-center/94574478/
Well, it’s certainly a LOT less deadly than the avalanche of crime committed by illegals. Just consider murder alone…
Also, some context please… How many people in and out of facility since 2003? Let’s do a %, please? And, what is death rate in US prison system since 2003… gross # and %, please….
Lack of numbers in article is tip off of hysteria
Don’t confuse them with the facts, Mike. They can’t handle it.
“domestic immigration enforcement apparatus”
Brown Shirts in the mind of Trumpkins – and they cheer it. Rubes. They’ll be coming for your Medicare next, then will spend the rest of their days wondering why everyone didn’t run to their sides. This place is like Breitbart Lite.
As a child of immigrant parents, I will say that this is very much a “there but for the grace of God” situation. Nonetheless:
The asylum issue has to with the fact that the majority of Central Americans have a very POOR chance of receiving asylum, because “fleeing poverty or fear of gangs” isn’t a proper basis for asylum. Case law shows lawyers trying to fit them in the Particular Social Group (PSG) basis for asylum. An honest lawyer would admit that chances of getting asylum on this basis are low.
As a comparison, Mexicans claiming asylum based on “fear of gangs” or “cartel violence” have a 1.8% chance of winning asylum. If memory serves, Central Americans had a similar figure. Unaccompanied children claiming asylum have a high grant rate, but I can only interpret that as asylum officers going easy on them.
Pres. Obama’s BEST argument for keeping these asylum seekers detained was that they have a poor chance of winning asylum and if they are detained, it would make their ultimate deportation more efficient. For some reason, he never used that argument and lawsuits forced the asylum seekers to be released. And let’s be honest- we all KNOW that they will NOT leave the country, but go underground, when their inevitable notice that their asylum claim has been rejected.
Having said all of that, as a lawyer and if hired, I would still represent an asylum seeker. But I would be honest about their chances. I personally see no clash between doing my best to represent a client, even if doing so contributes to a bigger policy that I may not agree with.
As for other parts of the executive order- nothing really changes, since illegal aliens have ALWAYS been subject to deportation.
Look at these morons.
“Refugees are welcome here”
“Immigrants are welcome here”
“All are welcome at our door”
Oh really? Well, go ahead and welcome the refugees and immigrants at YOUR door. If you want them here so badly, then take responsibility for feeding, clothing and housing them with your own money. Pay for their medical care out of YOUR pocket so the costs don’t affect Medicaid. Pay for their kids’ education yourself so the public schools in the towns that get stuck with them aren’t unduly burdened by students who can’t speak English.
I’ll bet that the idiots with the signs would disappear in a heartbeat if they had to foot the bill for the policies they’re advocating.
If you want to have a big protest, go protest the U.S. government’s bombing and killing of people overseas. Protest against the perpetual U.S. policy of attempting to overthrow sovereign governments. There would be a hell of a lot fewer refugees without the U.S. government creating the conditions which motivate people to flee.
Coward
You think I’m opposed to immigration of people from the third world because I’m afraid of them? Not hardly. I just don’t want to expand the welfare class and put additional burdens on state and local institutions.
How many refugees do you have living in your you John? How many Somalis live in your neighborhood? If you like Muslims so much, why don’t you go live with them? Don’t welcome them in at the border and then dump the burden on someone else.
What public schools? The government has been trying to destroy public education for decades. What Medicaid? The new administration wants to eliminate it along with Social Security and Medicare.
I do agree with your final paragraph. But my grandparents were immigrants. And our taxes should be used to help improve the lives of everyone. Stop funding the military. Stop funding Israel. Stop collaborating with Saudi Arabia. Stop giving tax breaks to corporations and the wealthy parasites who are destroying everything they touch.
Out with the Marxists and good riddance to bad rubbish. This is the United States of America – a law and order nation. A constitution based republic – not a “democracy.” You bunch of dumbed-down indoctrinated Left loons need to get an education. Betsy DeVos is going to see to it, the remaining young citizens do get educated. Jeff Sessions is going to see to it, the remaining adult citizens obey the law. Beware revolutionaries, you’ve been officially put on notice by the President Trump administration!
Hopefully you and all the other skinheads you hang with will be sterilized when the actual adults take over again.
Typical hypocritical leftists snowflake stereotyping there isn’t it? And by the term “actual adults”… do you mean the robotic and brainwashed ‘Stepford’ Left? Make the shape of the letter ‘L’ with your hand and hold it up to your forehead and say ‘Loser’ and then go back to your safe-space.
Oh, we believe you. I think you’ll find we’re ready.
Ready for what.. Another losing proposition..
Ready for that about which we’ve been put on notice.
You apparently aren’t aware that Steve Bannon falls somewhere between a Marxist and a Leninist, by his own description given during an interview with the WaPo. I read today that DeVos will push parents into homeschooling their children, so guess you’re right in a way…DeVos will indirectly ensure kids’ education. I guess your comment regarding “revolutionaries” is intended for any of the sane population. Trump-Bannon will eat you alive, Jackson1961…you’ve been put on notice.
Of course, the leftist WaPo is the standard by which all news should be sifted… right? It’s funny, have you ever met any home schooled children? Unlike many years ago, today’s home-schooled children have been turning out to be some of the most respectful, focused, intelligent, and well socialized kids, which unlike their counter parts in the public school system, are falling short in every academic venue available (you can only teach lies for so long before it begins to decimate the minds and permeates into the left) and with all the continuous stupid lies and trash they’ve been teaching in the public system – home schooling , charters, or private schooling is the only way to go. Yes, ‘revolutionaries’ is the correct term… out with the left and in with the right… Clinton (and what ever other loser she would have picked) would have driven the USA over a cliff… just can’t wait for you left to make a move because you have a whole nation of ‘silent majority’ just waiting for you to do so. It’s YOU who have been put on notice bud.
“I wanna kill!”
Carlin was right. We shouldn’t blame politicians. ;^(
Jackson, Betsy DeVos has absolutely no clue what a public education system should look like. She probably thinks the local grade school is a library or something. Jeff Sessions is the biggest bigot YET promoted by Drumpf to further his jack-booted ideologies.
And as for an education, if you, sir, are an example of what DeVos is likely to produce with her education plans, we are surely going to see more and more poorly written and punctuated edicts.
I can only hope that somewhere along the line somebody figures out how to explain HYPOCRISY to these (alt-)Right wing zealots. That time in this country is in the past. There are still a few staunch holdouts, but in time, they too will be rooted out and shown the way(or the door). Acceptance, tolerance, and compassion are what this country is slowly trying to get to. Get on board. We would even welcome you.
True. But look who used to be at the head of EPA – the former CEO of Monsanto. Have you seen autistic children? There are now some 43 kids per thousand, a dramatic increase from just 20 years ago, along with the dramatic increase in childhood cancers and such. Again, what is the difference between the opportunistic Obama and the newly-elected Trump?
Hummmm people seem to forget he is doing just what he said he would.And what got him elected.
Trump has been documented so many times refuting himself. At this point, he could say anything and we’d all have to agree that he said he would do it. Here’s a video compilation made by Jimmy Kimmel’s staff, “Does Trump Know Putin?”, where Trump contradicts himself constantly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E0dOkHB3Xw
This is such a tiresome phrase, in all its many variations.
Non one has forgotten anything. They found them distasteful when he used them as a campaign pledge and they continue to find them distasteful or abhorrent as he moves to make them policy. The only difference is what was political theater for an election is now trying to become fact.
The only absurd thing would be to imagine that people would suddenly stop having an issue with them.
He got elected for many reasons, he’s currently hitting at the lowest hanging fruit.
The protesters take their signs saying “Love” as they smash and destroy businesses with them and now the owners now have no way to feed their families.
I haven’t seen that video where poster-board placards take-out tempered glass windows. Are you sure, Terry, or are you just sayin’ this? A good tug on the hanky with your “no way to feed their families”.
One other point. Why doesn’t Mexico treat its own people decently. Mexico is corrupt, and until we put pressure on them, their people will slip over to the U.S. Stop it. Make Mexico treat them right.
Legal immigrants are welcome.
Vicious? Not a bright thing to say. We spend a huge amount of money putting those people in detention, and then deporting them. They are expensive, and deporting them is not a friendly event. It COST A LOT.
But when we get them gone, the jobs they hold are there an available to American Citizens, and that is the point. This country then saves money as those jobs go to citizens, and all the laws are obeyed.
That isn’t vicious. That is good for American Citizens!
Sieg Heil Welcome to The Wehrmacht and ethnic cleansing
Dreadlocks are next. This is civilization we are saving…. only CIVILIZED need apply
“only CIVILIZED need apply”
oh, if only you were smart enough to see the irony in your statement.
Absolutely. I’m with Gandhi, who when asked what he thought of Western civilization, retorted: “It would be a good idea.” But the dreadlocks? Those are so ok.
Vicious is necessary. The world is awash in millions of migrants. It is kill or be killed time for Western Civilization.
As the economic music stops, there are not 7 billion chairs. I’m not sure the snowflake generation understands what is coming. They love lions but want to SAVE THE CHILDREN. African children grow up to poach rhino horn and kill elephants dining on fruit trees.
My money says, once the snowflakes see the choices… Africans vs Wildlife. East Indians vs Tigers and mountain playgrounds. Low IQ fish bombing by breeding Javanese… the choice will be clear. It’s kill or be killed time.
Stiffen those spines America… it’s us or them.
your brutal assessment is spot-on
sharpen the grinders as we prepare to dine on the flesh of the dead
Typical paranoid right wing nonsense from Ms Thomsen. Fascists always need enemies, the idea of tolerance is beyond their mental capacity, they fear everything unlike them. The Millennial generation is so far from Ms Thomsen and they will form the future, they are inclusive and not paranoid like Ms Thomsen, they know peace can prevail when obstacles, like Ms Thomsen have died and are rotting in the grave. Enjoy your paranoia Ms Thomsen, live in fear and keep making enemies, it’s the fascist way.
“Vicious in necessary” “It is kill or be killed time for Western Civilization.”
You sound uncivilized.
In a perfect world ..you will come back as an immigrant or your parents will.
In a perfect world, she’d be a penniless refugee (with brown skin) no later than next Tuesday at 11 a.m., local time.
“it’s us or them”
No, it’s marginally more progressive tax rates to solve many of these problems or the civilizational conflict you drool for.
There’s something deeply wrong with you.
many who promote this so called compassion can afford the slightly higher taxes that it requires to get these new americans bus passes, EBT cards, minimal health care, and crummy subsidized housing
as they drive down labor costs in the low-right economic death machine
I would hope we enforce our laws with a pointed determination.
Illegal is illegal!
Get here legally and if here and not legally, leave and do it the legal way.
Liberals rubber pants are on sale at WalMart, runbeforw it’s too late.
About time we actually enforce our existing laws. Legal immigrants, those who follow the rules, and the law are welcome. All others, I don’t care how your identified, GOOD BYE!
“Vicious”? Hopefully you don’t get paid to write this stuff. Maybe the un-vetted illegal’s could move next to you. Why don’t you go ahead and post your home address Ryan? What if your loved ones we’re killed by an illegal, as Kate was in San Fran, or countless others? Not sure how you sleep at night.
Or how about all of the LEGAL American citizens that are far more likely to blow YOUR head off, jay?
This is what you call the positive ancillary effect of the Trump administration – people protesting against what they calmly accepted during the Obama years:
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-has-president-obama-deported-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history/
Yes, Resistance is Character-Forming.
I hope Ryan is able to compartmentalize his anger. What a waste of his life to wake up every morning without a positive thought. Good Luck to you Ryan….think of how much more good you could do with your life.
In the years after Trump fails, all present supporters will be forever judged as a result of their support of the psychopath now in charge. The resulting damage to them will be devastating, and so well deserved.
I feel like Trump is playing to lose on immigration. The big money he represents wants cheap labor. He could have made an orderly decision to stop issuing brand new visas for people from Muslim countries – he didn’t; instead he made a deliberate cock-up that ended in the courts. Now he’s starting a deportation crusade, but it is diffuse and impractical. You would think a practical anti-immigrant would follow a Niemoller model, “first they came for the felons…”, get that process humming, until they run out of felons. Instead he has no priorities so as to create a hullaballoo. Either he wants to be defeated (and blame that on someone else) or he’s trying to do something different – like start a domestic insurgency his people have to fight with war weapons and methods.
Or he’s just pulling a Pete Wilson – using xenophobic support to get elected in California, which resulted in a massive pushback from many California citizens who then went into politics and pushed all the xenophobic politicians out of office.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/national-party-news/318087-trump-will-lose-america-like-pete-wilson-lost
However, like you say, the corporate elite, regardless of party preference, will always covertly support immigration-without-citizenship, since a large pool of cheap labor that can be deported if they try to form unions suits their profit-seeking agenda for all domestic industrites that can’t be outsourced – labor for agriculture, hotels, construction, etc.
The Chatham House survey … google it. Trump knew he had the entire Western world on his side.
20%…. just 20% of 10000 Europeans want migration. ANY MIGRATION>
It is kill or be killed time.. the economic music is slowing and there aren’t 7 billion chairs.
I vote Giraffes…. I vote Oceans. I vote forests, birds and butterflies. People?… not on your life.
That last sentence is sarcasm right? You vote giraffes, oceans, foests, birds and butterflies and yet seem to support a person that has said global climate change is a hoax that we can do nothing about. Do you have something against bees, coral reefs, and polar bears?
You people are delusional. The Obama coalition and disaffected Dems elected Trump. Some were fed up with Neocon policies, which Dems embraced knowing it was a big failure under all previous GOP administrations and others just hated Hillary.
To assume it’s a Stormfront, right wing coalition is delusional. Your group has always been a minority, which is why that ideology has existed in the shadows. But, as you guys show you’re true colors again, people will, once again be repulsed. It’s only a matter of time.
Enjoy your delusions of grandeur. It will not end in your favor. This isn’t 1492.
Immigrants are welcome here!!!!
legal immigrants.
I can’t just up and move to another country without going through proper channels. Only idiots think that they should just be able to move here and stay illegally.
Are large corporations that love cheap sub-minimum wage undocumented immigration “idiots”? They donate equally to Republicans and Democrats, don’t they? Trump has relied extensively on such cheap labor for his varous business interests, as well.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/203984-illegal-immigrants-benefit-the-us-economy
I’d like to see all the Trump voters head out to the fields for a ten-hour day of back-breaking labor picking crops, that’d be a good laugh. Of course, if they all got green cards, then they’d have to be paid better wages. . . No, business conglomerates don’t like that.
I live in Texas and farmers-ranchers have had insufficient labor the past several years. Several articles in my local newspaper. One was an onion farmer that didn’t have laborers to harvest his crop, so he kept upping his wage offering. He couldn’t find USA citizens (the illegals have vanished here) to work for $20 per hour, so he had to plow-under most of his crop. Mexico exports fruits and vegetables to the USA, but with Trump’s proposed tariff on cross-the-border shipments from Mexico and S America, Americans will be paying more for food very soon.
Amen, mike. Remember what happened a few years ago with the immigrant debacle in Alabama? Ask the farmers what they thought of it, after millions of dollars worth of crops died in the fields.
Well said but don’t hold your breath here, too many way far left Libby’s.
ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT welcome here. Stop the propaganda! If you cannot follow the law and the process for as long as it takes, then you are not welcome here, PERIOD!
Why do you liberal jagoffs think the laws do not apply to you?
So, now that we will start enforcing our laws… it’s “vicious”.
Yeah… I look forward to swift justice.
Don’t you just love it. The lamestream left-wing media ie. CNN/NBC/CBS/ABC/WP/NYT/HP/PO/TH etc. are going nuts trying to figure out President Trump and the GOP. We call this media behaviour “grasping at straws”.
What a breath of fresh air!!
Anti-Trump propaganda:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article195196.html
“We must understand that it’s a fight to the death between two systems that has just begun in Washington. Let’s leave the Atlantist Press to comment on the often contradictory and incoherent statements by this one or that, and look at the facts on their own…”
As an American citizen I’m glad this is happening
Obama has presided over the greatest deportation of the illegals, ever.
Meanwhile, “Julian Assange will be given a month’s notice to leave the Ecuadorian embassy if the country’s main opposition candidate wins the presidency in next week’s election.”
Here is a Q for the progressives: Would you dare to organize a massive physical defense of Assange if the UK government attempt to arrest the truth-teller?
Not his first EO. You might want to get the first line of the article correct.
The “progressives” prefer to forget that Obama has deported the greatest number of illegals, ever.
Meanwhile, “Julian Assange will be given a month’s notice to leave the Ecuadorian embassy if the country’s main opposition candidate wins the presidency in next week’s election.” Here is a Q for the progressives: would you dare to organize a massive physical defense of Assange if and when the UK government attempt to arrest the truth-teller?
And once again we have yet another person or bot posting a comment with either not having read the article, not comprehending the words in the article, or lying about what was written in the article.
Well, as you quoted, there was “the historically high levels of immigrant detention and deportation under Obama…” – Then what’s your problem?
“Since coming to office in 2009, Obama’s government has deported more than 2.5 million people—up 23% from the George W. Bush years. More shockingly, Obama is now on pace to deport more people than the sum of all 19 presidents who governed the United States from 1892-2000, according to government data.”
http://fusion.net/story/252637/obama-has-deported-more-immigrants-than-any-other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/
No need to to insult other commenters; just look at the facts.
Yeah, I quoted it from the very article that you claimed didn’t mention it.
If you want to call pointing out that you were either ignorant about what was written in the article, or that you lied about what was written in the article as “insulting other commenters,” that’s up to you. But doubling down, as you now have done, by pretending that I might have a “problem” by pointing out what I just pointed out to you is either just another lie or another show of complete lack of reading comprehension ability. You can choose either or both, but trying to deny it will only be you tripling down.
She’s posted here before. She’s fixated on Julian Assange and willfully persists in pretending this site somehow hasn’t supported him and has failed to criticize establishment Dems. Some kind of troll.
Kitt and I may have a minor misunderstanding (most likely we are on the same page), but to call a person a troll for an accidental repost is rather rude. Is this age, Mona, that you are so edgy? Your forceful support for pink-pussies did not go unnoticed.
Just once I wish these liberal authors would separate legal vs illegal immigration. Legal is good, illegal is bad
Legal will be bad soon…. check out the Chatham House survey… just announced
10000 Europeans asked about migration … any migration. 20% said YES.
Be happy to volunteer!
So, today we learned immigration lawyers are against shrinking their customer base. Thanks, Ryan!
Every discussion of immigration policy should begin here.
(I didn’t finish it completely, but you get the point)
Overpopulation is not caused by migration. Overpopulation is one of the driving forces for migration and, taken together, those forces are stronger than any possible effort to resist migration by exclusion, force of arms, etc.
But let’s cut to the chase: For you, Craig, the population issue is no more than a smokescreen. You are a racist, a xenophobe and a white supremacist, clumsily attempting to lure others to your camp using less openly-bigoted arguments.
There it is….had to toss in the racist, xenophobe, white supremacist accusation. Can’t win an argument with facts try using rhetoric.
I didn’t have to and it’s no mere accusation. Mr. Nelsen is all of those things, as he has repeatedly confirmed by his posts on this site.
How is showing the population of the USA and the rest of the world racist, xenophobic, or advocating for white supremacy? You lost me there.
And people like you calling everyone racist, and sexist is why Trump is in power now. I’ve voted democrat my entire life, i stayed home this year because i could not support the type of people the Dems have become. The far right is racist and and sexist no doubt, the far left is… well racist and sexist, one side against blacks and females, and the other against whites and males. Look into your soul.
Doug Salzman’s comment to “Craig Nelson” is written in a vacuum. It is based on many comments previously posted by that same commenter, comments which strongly indicate Doug Salzman’s opinion of that commenter is correct.
And where in Salzman’s comment did you see him defending the Democratic Party?
I meant to write, wasn’t or isn’t written in a vacuum, not “is” written in a vacuum.
Your correct I didn’t see him say anything about the democratic party, So i guess i am little better than him. Usually people tossing around word like “racist” fall on that side of the fence.
Actually, it appears, on first blush, that you may be a little better than the racist Nelsen. If you stick around, we may be able to reach a more conclusive finding.
Really? Cite an example. Name-calling is for the weak-minded.
Really? Japan seems to be maintaining itself quite well. Israel (right next door to Syria), too. You aren’t fibbing again, are you?
Any ten-year-old can name-call. When adults do it, it’s usually the sign of a weak argument.
Beyond vicious. Sad, sadistic and despicable.
Hey, nothing is stopping you from adopting a couple dozen. Do it. Better yet, bring them into your home.