The Penny Stock ChroniclesA self-appointed stock sleuth finds financial giants trading extensively in little penny stocks like the one he owned that tanked. And he learns something amazing: Some brokers can sell shares that don’t actually exist.
Chris DiIorio had lost a million dollars when the penny stock he was betting on shed 98 percent of its value in a matter of weeks. But when he looked deeper, he found this wasn’t a typical penny stock pump-and-dump scheme. He was determined to get to the bottom of it.
For one thing, there were two huge companies involved.
In a one-line response to a series of detailed questions from The Intercept, UBS media relations director Peter Stack wrote in an email: “UBS applies strict due diligence and anti-money-laundering standards to all its business.”
After some research, DiIorio became even more disturbed by the presence of the other company, Knight Capital, which has traded an average of more than 2 billion shares of penny stocks daily for the past three years.
Based in Jersey City, N.J., Knight is what is called a “market maker,” a dealer that facilitates trading by actually holding shares itself, if ever so briefly, so investors can buy and sell without any delay. “They’re selling the service of convenience to investors, like a car dealer makes it easier to buy or sell a car quickly,” said Jim Angel, an associate professor specializing in market structure at Georgetown University.
Knight Capital is a giant in the field; it alone was responsible for 11 percent of all trading in U.S. stocks by volume as of 2012. It’s known in particular for speed. The ability to jump in and out of stocks quickly through electronic markets is attractive to customers and enables Knight to trade nearly $30 billion every single day. “Market making is a business where the spreads are small but the volumes are large,” Angel said. The spread is the difference between the buy price and the sell price, and it’s how Knight makes money.
DiIorio looked closely at how Knight operated. He determined that between 80 and 90 percent of its share volumes came from penny and fractional penny stocks. According to DiIorio’s calculations, Knight traded over 10 trillion shares of OTC and Pink Sheets securities from 2004 to 2012.
This level of volume persists — the most recent statistics show that 73 percent of the company’s equity share volumes in August 2016 came from penny stocks, and 81 percent as recently as May.
A share in a penny stock is worth magnitudes less than a share in Google or Apple. But the spreads — where the market makers cash in — are proportionately bigger on a penny stock. For example, if the market maker earns a penny per share of a $50 stock, that’s only a spread of .02 percent. But a stock worth 25 cents where a market maker sees even a tenth of a penny in profit represents a spread of 2 percent — a 100-fold increase.
Still, DiIorio wondered how much volume a broker would need to make any money through penny stock trading. “You would have to move hundreds of millions of shares per trade,” he said.
And, because his personal investigation had started after his shares in a company called Best Rate Travel tanked precipitously, he also wondered: Why was Knight so involved with them in particular?
While DiIorio was mulling that, he started talking to his fellow traders and reading rumors online from owners of dozens of small companies who blamed the rapid destruction of their penny stocks on a practice known as naked short selling.
Let’s take that step by step. A short sale, generally speaking, is a bet that a stock price will drop over time. Typically, short sellers borrow shares of a stock from a broker and sell them on the open market, hoping to buy them back at a cheaper price in the future and make money on the exchange. This can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, if done right. Short selling can cause a market panic, and the prices drop in the frenzy.
How to short a stock.
Graphic: The Intercept.
But in naked short selling, you don’t even borrow the stock. You sell additional, phantom shares. This is even more likely to drive down the price than regular shorting, because suddenly the supply is larger but the demand is the same. “I can think of a number of stocks where the shares on the short exceeded the shares ever issued by the company,” said Alabama Securities Commission Director Joseph Borg. “You can’t do that unless it’s naked.”
Naked short selling is, not surprisingly, illegal in most circumstances.
But market makers like Knight have an exemption from naked short selling restrictions, on the grounds that they use the practice to maintain liquidity in markets. For example, if there’s high demand for a stock, the market maker can fill orders even if it doesn’t have the shares available.
As the Securities and Exchange Commission explains, “A market maker engaged in bona fide market making, particularly in a fast-moving market, may need to sell the security short without having arranged to borrow shares.” This often occurs in thinly traded stocks, like penny stocks.
DiIorio reasoned that naked short selling would explain where all the trades were coming from on Best Rate Travel; while he and his counterparts were locked into their investments for a year after the company’s merger, maybe someone was flooding the market with shares and battering the stock with ease.
At this point, DiIorio had no evidence that Knight did anything but facilitate trades. But he began to suspect that Knight somehow used naked short selling for its own devices. DiIorio’s attempts to get some explanations from Knight were brushed off — as were The Intercept’s during the reporting of this series.
Did Knight manipulate the stock price of Best Rate Travel, costing DiIorio and other investors millions? If so, why? Who benefited? Who needed this obscure, tiny penny stock to tank?

The Penny Stock ChroniclesA self-appointed stock sleuth finds financial giants trading extensively in little penny stocks like the one he owned that tanked. And he learns something amazing: Some brokers can sell shares that don’t actually exist.
They were penny stocks that he was investing in – the self proclaimed sleuth and The Intercept should both wash their hands and go home because:
1. The disclaimer of the stock market is that it’s “gambling” until you do your research properly – and this includes finding out the block deals happening on the stock. If the sleuth did not know this little bit, how can anyone trust the validity of his so-called investigation?
2. Everyone has the rights to invest in penny stocks or blue chips – it’s an open market – grow up or go home.
3. The whole point of institutional investors a.k.a fund managers is to shift the burden of daily trade from the retail investors to the institutional ones – what the sleuth “unearthed” as blood curdlingly shocking is the fact that UBS and Knight Capital just doing their jobs – something they’re paid to do.
4. Getting rich quick doesn’t always work out – you have to work towards it – hard work is what pays – Good guy Sleuth is trying to find himself a lawsuit to settle for a few millions but good guy Sleuth doesn’t realise that the only thing he is doing is chasing a golden egg laying goose that doesn’t exist. This is the open market – stop crying foul when you lose money – stop whining when others have more leverage than you – deal with it.
I did my own research on this same topic, many years ago. What I found is that short selling a stock share requires the existence of a stock certificate for that share, to confirm that the share may actually be borrowed and shorted. The central banking arm in the US that is responsible for this is the DTC. George Soros co-owns Cede & Co., which is the commercial name of the DTC. The DTC earns money off each stock certificate it has to produce, for short selling activity to occur in the markets. The DTC is at the center of the naked short selling controversy, since they are the ones who confirm the existence of shares that do not exist. The FTC was supposed to crack down on naked short selling several years ago. I think that turned out to be just talk, and no action.
Additionally, I found that the Berlin and Frankfurt exchanges routinely list OTC stocks in the US, on their exchanges, without those companies knowing about it. Removing these stocks from these exchanges is not always easy. Since penny stocks cannot be shorted in the US, there is incentive to list these same stocks on foreign exchanges, where they can be shorted legally. If you go to those exchange web sites, you can view the documented short selling activity on any given OTC stock.
The Xetra exchange, also based in Germany, allows for anonymous trades on the Frankfurt and Berlin exchanges. Market makers routinely use the Xetra to manipulate stock prices, without being detected since this is anonymous activity. The Vancouver (Canada) exchange is routinely used by traders in the US, to gain easy access to these German exchanges. In Canada it is apparently legal to short OTC stocks.
In trading penny stocks for a number of years, and learning from various CEOs how they conducted business, I became aware of a corporate structure (distributed holding company? I can’t recall, as it has been too many years – it is the structure of the OTC company; this structure allows for maximum flexibility in controlling and trading their shares) that allows the investment firm that owns the IPO shares to short its own shares on the German exchanges. There is much incentive to dilute an OTC stock’s shares to pay for company development. Most of these dilutions are done by the CEO, in private conversation with the market making institution, and are always announced after the fact, which is when OTC shareholders get hit with losses. The investment firm (market maker) that purchased the IPO shares from the company (thereby allowing it to have money for development) can then take advantage of the coming announcement of stock dilution by short the stock through the Xetra exchange. I suspect this is why so many OTC companies fail. There is more money to be made seeing the company fail, than succeed.
In fact if this so called casino capitalism was regulated ,like any casino, they all would have been in jail already. It is worse. It is nothing but psychotics betting orgy and we ordinary people are paying for it through the nose via FED monetizing any shitty piece of security Wall Street banker’s sick mind concocts.
Just a story from few years ago.
Wall Street bankers just before crash 2008 securitized secret suicide employees life insurances and made tons of money on every banker who jumped [wife/children got nothing] from the window during those months of BearStearns/Lehman collapse. No only because they made themselves beneficiary of the policy, but because the sold securitized policies to investors as well as multiple options on those securities .
Unbelievable? It is a fact, unbelievable but the fact.
It is a mad house, a mental institution for maniacs of greed, on Wall Street they will blow up the world and not even be aware of it.
If you are interested what they are up to with mainstream economy look this up:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/economy-update/
It is a mad house, a mental institution for maniacs of greed, on Wall Street they will blow up the world and not even be aware of it.
They are high on greed and or cocaine and regard mainstreet as the cow corral and they are the slaughterhouse. Pure insanity. And they will blow up the planet with rapacious devastation of natural resources with the rationale that the uninhabitable waste is someone else’s problem. These creatures are like mad dogs and we need a cage for them.
I don’t know anything about this company but it sounds like the company was worthless and a fraud, which in turn makes the stock worthless. What was the company’s revenue, net income, and cash flow? Did it have any? This doesn’t make stock manipulation ok but the stock would theoretically and eventually go back to what it was worth. The action of penny stocks can be fun but if you want to keep your money steer clear. This guy was conned and should have known better. And Knight and the executives of the company should be in prison if Knight was naked short selling and if the CEO was lying.
Much might be said about this story’s information. Two things jumped out at me.
First, market regulators–many of whom work or have worked for the companies they’re supposed to regulate–will allow shady, unethical, and even illegal behavior. In the above case, it was to “maintain liquidity in markets,” i.e. to allow brokers and investors–regulators’ co-workers or former co-workers, or the regulators themselves–to keep making money.
Second, when the news media present higher market trading volumes as evidence of “economic recovery” and/or “a strong economy,” well . . .. It’s just not true, as a lot of trading is either meaningless or simply nonexistent.
Ultimately, “something for nothing” has a very strong appeal, it draws every sinister critter out from beneath every rock, and it’s become the preferred paradigm among those whom we call “winners.”
that wallstreet industry is run like organised crime considering that they are organised and they are criminals who regularly rob America at every possible opportunity.
THEY ALSO LOVE HILLARY AND SHE LOVES THEM.
What is Journajism?
Part 2
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(As you know, I have been having trouble with my graphic design “department”–my posts are supposed to have logos, and let’s just say that it is hard to find good help. So I am going to have to describe them for you.)
[Logo 1: “What is Journajism?” text across the top. Beneath the text is a ‘WSJ woodcarve effect’ close up picture of a man’s face right before he is about to experience the little death [blow wad]. The man is described as ‘a person with no business having sex on camera.’ The text beneath the picture reads–“Wait For It.”]
[Logo 2: This is a logo for the above logo. It is a circle logo made to look like a stamp or seal. Across the top in curved letters reads “LOGO STRONG.” Underneath is a picture of a super juiced bicep. Underneath that is the text–“MADE IN what will one day be AMERICA”
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First of all, I am very excited for parts three, four, five, six, seven and eight–just to find out how much money Dayen ultimately loses to this guy.
This series should really be called “MasterClass: How Alpha Extroverts Convince People to do Things–And Why We are Better for It.”
Part Three is coming soon.
It is very misleading to say “lost a million dollars”. He only invested 100k. You can’t lost money you never booked. Its all paper gains till you sell.
Honestly,
There is nothing new here in this story, this has been going on forever..
http://www.safehaven.com/article/6201/failure-to-deliver-or-deliverance
Unfortunately the linked presentation hasn’t been online for quite some time, it was excellent.
This whole series seem a bit like an ill omen. The market has been overvalued for sometime. The best investment may be to pay down debt.
Pay off the house.
Pay off the car.
Sell off the worst performing assets and hold a little more cash.
The problem is that most people these days don’t know the difference between investing and speculation, hence the name “Casino Capitalism.”
Short selling of phantom stock never settled by delivery has been repeatedly described in numerous articles. This isn’t a feature of capitalism. It’s a feature of fraud which government “regulators” wink at. It persists because nobody goes to jail or suffers any other consequences.
The new tech version of the pink sheet scam operation is the crowdfunded startup scam operation; there’s always someone ready to bite down on such bait in the hopes of a big cash payoff. Greed springs eternal, as does hope.
The old version says a lot about investment capitalism; that was the “hey, come invest in a slave ship!” scam:
http://www.discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/routes/bristol-to-africa/shipping/profit-and-loss/
Investment is basically the same today: rather than work to earn money, one sits on a pile of capital (typically inherited, more often than not) and tries to “put it to work.” Buying slaves and having them work land on your behalf was an agricultural version of investment capitalism; it’s always the same game: someone else will do the work, but the owner gets to collect the loot.
In contrast, commercial capitalism – in which people work for their money, and then deposit it in a bank, which makes bulk loans that allow people to buy large-ticket items like homes, while paying them off later, is a whole different world from investment capitalism; the great scam of the past 20 years is that the Clintons, in cahoots with Republicans, allowed the investment capital bankers to merge with the commercial capital bankers, thus wrecking the economy in 2008.
Morally, it seems that a “take the investors for everything they’ve got, and then run off with the loot” attitude is entirely justified. Who cares if greedy lazy elite aristocrats get ripped off? They’ve been ripping everyone else off for centuries, after all, and inherited wealth and power is still the curse of civilization.
Shazaam!
ah yes but the ultimate con is against the investors who are not wealthy but in a pool of fools run by a hedge funder who makes his billions by falsifying the value of the fund. And *those pool of fools* is us, OUR RETIREMENT FUNDS which continue to “grow in value” because of rising prices while simultaneously losing real buying power because of rising prices.
CRIMINAL MINDS AT WORK LOOTING AMERICA.
i wrote a new law. i made it illegal for these guys to rob america. enforcement is currently not available.
I would love a board game that includes these wacky, demonic, ruleless rules. Most of us rubes thought stocks facilitated R&D, and expansion of companies to grow our economy and provide employment, retirement funds, and etc. That is the story I was told growing up in our extreme capitalist system. Pretty dumb, no?
Things could be changed, but we have to walk back 40 years of political decisions aimed at increasing wealth inequality and protecting artistocrats:
http://prospect.org/article/how-redistribute-wealth—without-guillotine
This is one reason I’m relatively unconcerned about a Hillary Clinton defeat – it would provide an opportunity for sending all the corporate Democrats packing, and put the Bernie Sanders Democrats in a position to take over the party from the Clintonite/Blairite crowd.
HRC failing to defeat Triumph the comic dog will extinguish both facile corporate1% parties-
HRC life expectancy is a short sell, and his political acumen is shorter…
Future looks bright minus those two parties plus cnn et al
Piketty points to a tax on wealth
THAT WONT WORK. The reason it wont work is because it is phenomenologically a punishment. What will work is a system of RECIRCULATION that rewards recirculation for the benefits of recirculation.
YES! i have long want to get involved in the game of SIMS and own the currency. That would play out the con quite visibly.
DiIorio lost $100K. He did not lose $1M. He never had $1M. He lost (bartered away) the opportunity to sell some pumped up stock to some other sucker. He lost the opportunity to be one of the scammers. And we are supposed to feel sorry for him?
But your telling is more melodramatic and entertaining, David, even if it isn’t true.
Is there no quality control at The Intercept?
You cut it to the chase. Bingo! Brilliant! That’s just what happened.
I don’t ‘t feel sorry for him at all. I have no doubt that if DiIorio had managed to complete the trade and walk away a million dollars richer, we wouldn’t be reading any of this.
The reality is that he got screwed, but he had the know-how to track down exactly how he got screwed. I’m not concerned if his motivations to share the info are pure or not. I’m concerned about the info.
I really like this series, David, but I feel like each part is way too short — I need MORE!
criminal minds love wallstreet
wallstreet loves criminal minds
it’s a criminals paradice
oh how they love a cup of fraud in the morning
screwing Americans is their job, mining mainstreet, robbing you in every sort of way and calling it a free market. They are criminals, thieves, cons, banksters, and they have gutted America’s future. The education loans for your children? They raised interest rates so they could bundle and sell them- TRANSLATION – indentured servitude.
shet for brains hellary clinton calls russia the enemy.
with friends like hellary and her wallstreet backers, who needs enemies?
I accidentally posted this in Part I comments, but it belongs here.
In the previous installment, Mr. DiIorio pretended to be a poor naïve Wall St. trader. In the current installment, Mr. Dayen pretends to be economically illiterate.
Stocks tank because eventually the hype wears off, and investors realize the stock has no fundamental value. Hint: if the company you invest in is a chip maker, and overnight it becomes a vacation booking company, then it probably doesn’t have a good fundamental value. For example, if one week someone is introduced to you as an opera singer, and the next week they are introduced to you as an NFL quarterback, you would do well to be a little suspicious.
From Episode I:
This isn’t a slightly better deal. Either it is a typo, and the split rate should be 1-to-300, or Mr. DiIorio obtained 1 BTVL share for every 90 of his E Mobile shares as compared to 1 for every 1,000 to other shareholders.
The catch, of course, is that to get this deal, he had to agree not to sell his shares for a year. This made it easier to pump up the share price. Normally, many shareholders, when they see the price going up, decide to sell out, putting a brake on the price increase. However, if the major shareholders can’t sell, due to the lockup agreement, this won’t happen. The price manipulators can pump up the stock and get out, leaving the stock to tank, all before the year is up.
So the culprit is obviously whoever put together the share price deal with the lockup agreement. In other words, the company management. Knight Capital is just a scapegoat. The naked selling occurred because people saw the stock price going up, and wanted to get in, but the major shareholders were locked into a no-sell agreement, and so the shares weren’t available on the market. Without Knight Capital, the stock would have peaked even higher (since the investors would have bid up the price even higher due to artificial scarcity of shares on the market), and therefore fallen even further.
However, any grifter will take the opportunity to blame the collapse of the stock value on the naked sellers. A little misdirection is useful.
Hint: if the company you invest in is a chip maker, and overnight it becomes a vacation booking company, then it probably doesn’t have a good fundamental value. For example, if one week someone is introduced to you as an opera singer, and the next week they are introduced to you as an NFL quarterback, you would do well to be a little suspicious.
The problem is he already bought in, but you’re right, with that information before hand.
Excellent analysis.
I had an internship in the financial industry. I ran my mentors office in Palo Alto Ca during the dot-com phenomena in the late 90’s. I was disgusted! The last disgusting thing I overcame for a client was the client had barer bonds that were to be converted to cash. Some attorneys claimed the bonds had to be cleared by “legal” prior to the conversion and it would take 90 days??????
When was the last time anyone walked into a bank and was told the currency (cash) in possession would take 90 days to be cleared by legal prior to converting it to another currency (cash)?
The value of the bonds were 7 digits +… The money was going to be floated. I hand carried the bonds to a transfer agent in S.F. and walked out 10 minutes later with a blank check. I was officially worth more money than 99% of the US population while I had that blank check. It wasn’t fun. I was so paranoid. I gave the money to whom it belonged and shortly after I walked away from a promising career in the financial world.
How could I give people my word that I’m truly working for their best interest when everything around me isn’t but presenting themselves/itself as if it/they are? For the most part the financial world is a big scam. Stay away!
I worked as an investment banker during the late 90s. And yes, I did sell shares in companies that did not exist. I cannot believe that anyone who has been in the industry for 10 years is naive about the corruption in the industry. The stock market is the most corrupt industry in the world. It is obvious to anyone involved after even a week of working in it. k
a week? whoa. it took me years to figure out what was going on behind the propaganda. interesting.
So if you had a share of this company, you weren’t allowed to sell it on the exchange for a year.
If you borrowed a real share from someone who had it, I assume you also couldn’t sell it on the exchange.
But if you have special paper from the government, you can sell a share that doesn’t exist any time you like. I suppose you could even have the share on hand and save it for later. The point is, you’re allowed to trade and no one else can. But of course, you have to be really rich to have this advantage.
It’s all crooked. The rich act like the rules don’t apply to them because THEY REALLY DON’T.
Again, he did NOT lose a million. In fact he TRIPLED his his initial investment – read the first part. He speculated with $100,000 off his retirement savings and ended up with $300,000. Most people would called themselves lucky and blessed if they managed to triple their 401Ks in just a couple of years. Yes, the stock peaked before he was able to sell it but if everyone who didn’t manage to sell their stock at the exact peak was going to call that ‘a loss’, then just about all playing the market could call themselves losers.
The person is complaining that he couldn’t sell his portfolio when it was worth $1.2 million. But would have really sold it then? What if he held it because humans are greedy, hoping that the stock goes even higher and then kept holding it, hoping for a bounce back as the stock was tanking?
As for those ‘statistics’ , they are as phony as they come:
“Knight Capital is a giant in the field; it alone was responsible for 11 percent of all trading in U.S. stocks by volume”
Of course, if 90% of their trades were penny stocks, as the author notes in the article, you will need a ‘volume’ of thousands of penny shares to match just one share of Google or Apple. So I am wondering why the author or the author’s self-proclaimed ‘loser’ source don’t use dollar amounts rather than the meaningless ‘volume’ stat. Is it because they aim to confuse?
Yup. And the IRS and the states wouldn’t be able to collect capital gains taxes. Which is why they don’t accept this sort of bogus accounting, either.
I understand he made something. But let’s be clear here – the society-wide phenomenon is a matter of statistics. Ordinary Joe Upper Class can buy and sell stock based on 15-minute delayed statistics. Maybe his order closes when he puts it in or maybe it waits for the worst possible moment over the next few hours. What these things add up to is that Joe tends to make less or lose money when Elite Supercomputer Owner is making it. Yeah, it’s hard to empathize with the upper class when the poor are screwed so much worse, but it’s part of the income inequality and concentration of wealth down to a few people who are claiming total control of everything that happens in the world. When the entire 99% have been turned into gladiator shows and celebrity puppy chow, there will be the “poor 1%” marked for the same fate and the “0.01%” who get another round on Social Darwin The TV Show.
Did you Short Sell Against The Box?
“After the revolution,” we’re going to send all of these leeches to re-education camps.
Well, quite few revolutions, of the planet, and an unknown — as yet — number of orbits around Old Sol. But industrial- and finance-capitalism are entirely incompatible with the survival of civilization on a planet with seven billion humans and counting and ever-tightening constraints on energy and a long list of other essential resources.
Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be traders.
“Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be traders.”
Or Republicans.
Or Democrats.
Good one.
traders or traitors?
Aren’t those the same thing…? ;)
Hi David,
Yesterday, I poked around to see what I could find out about Best Rate Travel. This company seems to be a paper company in some terms.
I went to the State of Florida document search to find the articles of incorporation for Best Rate Travel and Adrian Stone. Adrian Stone seems to have LOTS of companies, including several companies under the name of Best Rate (Travel, Hotels, Holding, Car Rental, etc). Adrian Stone is of course listed on the Merger News on EMobile and Best Travel.
They were all created in a relatively short time. ie..one each month for several months. But here is what they ALL have in common. There are Articles of Incorporation are suspiciously VOID of substance.
They are created as if done in 5 minutes, standing at the counter. In other words, I believe these companies to be nothing more than a shell company.
Here is one example of their Articles of Incorporation. Tell me if anyone here had a $100K, would they feel comfortable investing in a company whose articles of incorporation looked like this:
http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ConvertTiffToPDF?storagePath=COR%5C2005%5C0419%5C70126057.tif&documentNumber=P05000056987
I think Dilorio is a victim of a scam. A hoax of some kind.
Here is a list of Adrian Stone companies.
http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResults/OfficerRegisteredAgentName/Stone%20Adrian/Page1
It comes up as a blank page for me. Some writing at the top. Did I do something wrong or is that what is going on? Or, in the mean time, did they scrub their records?
Yea, you have to access the website from 9am – 5pm Florida time. I had the same issue. Seems like the State of Florida only allows searches between normal business hours.
Sorry about that. But check it tomorrow and you’ll see what I mean. And there are 15 companies this guy has created that look like this.
Dilorio, a professional Wall Street analyst, not knowing pink sheet companies are often scams is like your mechanic not knowing your car has brakes.
And to top it off: the scam capitals of North America are Vancouver, BC and Boca Raton, FL. The latter is the home of E Mobile / Best Rate.
Don’t invest in the stock market, period. Take your retirement account money out of the hands of Vanguard, Fidelity, State Street, Blackrock and other major shareholders in sleazy outfits like HSBC, Bank of America, Wells Fargo,etc, and put it in local credit unions. If you want to gamble and be a player, go vacation in Las Vegas, at least you’ll also be supporting the local economy while you lose money.
If there is one specific industry or company you want to support, invest in them long-term, don’t pretend you’ll ever make money by buying and selling stocks, that’s a ludicrous pipe dream for 99.9% of the population.
Buy EPD and hold till retirement.
http://m.nasdaq.com/symbol/epd/dividend-history
And put your money in what??? 1% CD? Cash?
Just watch your money become worthless due to inflation??? Get Real.